Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 27th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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** Beirdo is having a Scrubs-athon **

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wagnerrp:

or push it wirelessly for the RF models

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[R]:

i think my winxp vm is screwed up

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[R]:

it takes 4ever to boot

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** wagnerrp thinks douglas peale should not be running trunk **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the protocol update took me by surprise last night too, but it's real easy to fix. (now that I have split frontend/backend)

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Beirdo:

just needed to make install on two boxes... ooooh

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wagnerrp:

but /you/ understand that when you get an error message that says a table has crashed, you do a google search about what to do with a crashed mysql table

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

but /you/ understand that when you get a protocol mismatch, something needs to be updated, and you know how to do it without waiting on someone else to make packages for you

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wagnerrp:

you are the kind of person who can afford to run a developmental version of code

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wagnerrp:

he is not

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Beirdo:

yup. Point well taken

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Beirdo:

and... I have no WAF to worry about

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wagnerrp:

im starting to get a distaste for that term

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Beirdo:

so if it wedges or crashes repeatedly (ahem!) it is only me that gets annoyed :)

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wagnerrp:

if youre blaming the wife for complaints resulting from broken mythtv

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wagnerrp:

does that mean youre perfectly content in having broken things in your life?

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wagnerrp:

no, you dislike broken mythtv just as much as her

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wagnerrp:

so dont blame her

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Beirdo:

that too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

i needt oreinstall xp... too slow

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devicenull_:

Is there a way to increase the video queue size for the internal player?

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devicenull_:

my frontend is on a slow connection to the NAS with all the videos, and increasize the queue size typically smoothes out playback

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devicenull_:

but I'm unsure of how to do that with the internal player

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[R]:

devicenull_: slow connection?

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Beirdo:

OMG, antivirus ads... "if left untreated, they can make permanent damage to your PC" BAH humbug

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wagnerrp:

devicenull_: increasing the buffer size makes no difference with a slow connection

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wagnerrp:

only an unreliable one

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devicenull_:

weird

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv does not condone the use of unreliable networks

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devicenull_:

yea I'm having trouble streaming mkv's over 100mbit lan

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devicenull_:

not really unreliable

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[R]:

not really "slow" either

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devicenull_:

yea, but that's the only thing I can come up with for the problems

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devicenull_:

CPU usage is ~50%, 700mb free memory

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wagnerrp:

considering the largest file youre going to ever see isnt even half the bitrate that 100mbit is capable of

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wagnerrp:

changing the buffer size isnt going to change much

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wagnerrp:

chances are your computer is just marginal for playback, right on the edge of being able to decode it in real time

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wagnerrp:

or there is something wrong with the player

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wagnerrp:

considering your cpu usage is exactly 50%, im going to guess this is a dual core system, and single sliced content

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devicenull_:

it's problable the computer

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wagnerrp:

meaning your CPU is maxed out

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devicenull_:

no, it's not dual core

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devicenull_:

it's a (old) thinkpad t42

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Criggie:

nice

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Criggie:

a proper IBM

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wagnerrp:

hyperthreaded P4?

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devicenull_:

plays normal quality content fine, it the hd stuff it has issues with

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Criggie:

probvably a P4M

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devicenull_:

yea but hyperthreading appears to be off

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devicenull_:

actually

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devicenull_:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz

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devicenull_:

/proc/cpuinfo says only one processor

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

what bitrate and entropy compressor?

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Criggie:

yes its a non HT single core P4 with mobile power saving

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Criggie:

probably lacks the balls for HD decoding

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Criggie:

what video card is it paired with ?

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wagnerrp:

Criggie: the P-Ms were not P4s

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Criggie:

an intel on-board chipset ?

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wagnerrp:

they were P3 based, with an improved FSB

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devicenull_:

ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]

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Beirdo:

I'd take an Atom over P4-M

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Criggie:

Beirdo: hard call... the atom would have a more modern drive/chipset/ram

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wagnerrp:

id take a P-M over an atom

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Criggie:

but atoms are still gutless

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Beirdo:

not all of them

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what about the harmony 300?

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about it

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Criggie:

I have a N270 in my eee – its pretty crap

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wagnerrp:

back to the originall question...

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wagnerrp:

devicenull_: what bitrate and entropy compressor?

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Criggie:

anything dual-core isn't really light priced :)

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devicenull_:

wagnerrp: not really sure how to find that

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devicenull_:

ah

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devicenull_:

VLC says 6400 KB/s

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Beirdo:

my dual-core Atom (with HT) was less than $200 as a barebones system

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Beirdo:

that's hardly expensive

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Criggie:

200 what dollars ?

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devicenull_:

sorry, 640KB/s

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Beirdo:

the only dollars that matter when you live in Seattle

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Criggie:

whose dollars rather

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Criggie:

Beirdo: where's that?

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Beirdo:

are you frigging kidding me?

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Criggie:

somewhere near india ?

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Criggie:

I do love winding americans up :-)

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Beirdo:

I'm not an American

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Beirdo:

nice try

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devicenull_:

yea not network I guess, same video plays fine on my desktopo

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wagnerrp:

i would say a P-M 1.8 could probably manage 5mbps h264

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Criggie:

picky bugger. revised < Criggie> I do love winding americans and those who choose to live in america up :-)

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devicenull_:

does mythtv use mplayer internally?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Beirdo:

devicenull_: no, it doesn't

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devicenull_:

ah

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wagnerrp:

mythtv and mplayer both use ffmpeg internally

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Beirdo:

except for VCD playback, IIRC

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sraue:

<--- near from india (around 9300km)

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devicenull_:

ah, so mplayer probably wouldnt give me any better performance

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Azelphur:

oh hey devicenull_, /me waves

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devicenull_:

oh hi

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Azelphur:

didn't know you switched to MythTV :)

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devicenull_:

I'

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devicenull_:

I've always used mythtv

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devicenull_:

it's weird, the video isn't "artifacting" like I'd normally expect, it displays a frame from a few seconds in the future every few seconds

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wagnerrp:

i used to have that problem with VDPAU and content i encoded with too many reference frames

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wagnerrp:

never seen it with the software decoder

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devicenull_:

yea

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devicenull_:

I'm just gonna plame underpowered hardware

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devicenull_:

*blame

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peterpan13_ptl:

Hi all.... I've got a Haupaugge 1600 capture card, which has both digital and analog inputs. Had both sides of the card working fine until a couple days ago. Now, the analog is giving me no audio, and a purely red video screen. I try rescanning for channels in the myth backend, but that doesn't help. Any ideas what may be going on? (I tried removing the analog side from backend and re-adding it, but no luck there, either.

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devicenull_:

yea iptraf is only showing <1500kbit/sec

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devicenull_:

so I guess it's not network

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[R]:

peterpan13_ptl: well things don'tj ust magiclaly break... what did you change

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peterpan13_ptl:

I did try experimenting with lirc for getting Hauppauge remote to work with it.... should I try removing that?

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[R]:

well you broke something

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[R]:

so unbreak what you broke

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[R]:

and see if it still works

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Beirdo:

oooooh

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peterpan13_ptl:

[R], unfortunately, I don't know what I broke. Otherwise, I'd certainly try mending it. Was hoping someone out there might have actually seen this solid red screen before....

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Beirdo:

I see "Use of uninitialised value of size 8" in the code that keeps crapping

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wagnerrp:

knightr: a surge protector does no sort of powerline filtering

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wagnerrp:

you need something far more expensive if you want that

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knightr:

wagnerrp, so why did it not work?

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wagnerrp:

cant say

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knightr:

wagnerrp, unwanted side effect?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I think I MAY have found my crashy in one place

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Beirdo:

oh great, now I'm recording

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Beirdo:

heh. with valgrind running

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devicenull_:

okay

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devicenull_:

not a hardware issue

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devicenull_:

ffmpeg issue I guess

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devicenull_:

vlc plays it perfectly

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sphery:

wagnerrp: because of the crashed tables guy on list?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah, it would be nice to be able to do auto-repair, etc.

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bbolin:

after the last os upgrade the led on the usb receiver stays on all the time

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bbolin:

dell rc6 receiver

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bbolin:

lsb_release -a

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bbolin:

No LSB modules are available.

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bbolin:

Distributor ID: Ubuntu

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bbolin:

Description: Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS

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bbolin:

Release: 10.04

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bbolin:

Codename: lucid

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bbolin:

works fine, just didn't use to do this. also have the same setup on another front end that hasn't been upgraded that doesn't do this

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bbolin:

any ideas

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kormoc:

bbolin, so don't upgrade?

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knightr:

kormoc: Hi!! Is MythWeb's search broken or did my OS upgrade messed something up?

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wagnerrp:

knightr: works for me

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wagnerrp:

IT LIIIIIVES!

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[R]:

wagnerrp: on a sscale of 1 to 10... how crazy do you think i am for wanting to use tinycorelinux for myth?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what tinycorelinux is

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[R]:

its like some crazy mini linux dist

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wagnerrp:

a 10MB distro...

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[R]:

with xorg...

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wagnerrp:

Xorg alone is probably going to be 100MB

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[R]:

the 10mb might be xvesa

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[R]:

but you can install xorg instead

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Beirdo:

the bot took a vacation while I converted irclog table to UTF-8

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Gibby_away is now known as Gibby

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Beirdo:

2010-09–26 19:46:40.143 Scheduled 1551 items in 167.7 = 0.24 match + 167.42 place

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Beirdo:

snicker

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of items

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Beirdo:

valgrind makes it sllllllow

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wagnerrp:

did you decide to record every half-hour instance of your local weather channels?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

there's a lot of repeats in there for it to weed out

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Beirdo:

it used to be > 1900

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Beirdo:

I did find what might be the cause of my mysterious crashiness

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Gibby is now known as Gibby_away

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Beirdo:

but I need to wait for recording to stop to try it

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Beirdo:

which will be at around 9

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Beirdo:

Argh

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Beirdo:

my recording failed, so I restarted the backend

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Beirdo:

still whining

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive come to the conclusion that douglas peale simply shouldnt be using trunk, and maybe shouldnt be using linux

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mrjn:

hey guys, I'm recording from cable using hd-pvr, but when running the recordings, I'm getting two issues: no sound w/ default mythtv frontend, and 2. Choppy recording (the screen freezes every other second)

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mrjn:

any suggestions?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it took you that long?

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[R]:

mrjn: your hardware can't handle it?

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wagnerrp:

mrjn: what is your hardware

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wagnerrp:

specifically, processor

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mrjn:

[R], my hardware = Quad core, with 4GB RAM

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wagnerrp:

quad core what?

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mrjn:

2.6GHz I believe, let me check

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wagnerrp:

AMD? Intel?

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.4GHz

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wagnerrp:

Ath X4? Phenom X4? Phenom 2 X4? Core 2 Quad? Core i5? Core i7?

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wagnerrp:

a C2 at 2.4GHz may not be able to decode HDPVR content at full bitrate

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wagnerrp:

if it can, youre right on the edge

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wagnerrp:

you may want to back off the bitrate a bit in the recording profile

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wagnerrp:

it should have no problem with 10Mbps

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, aha.. can do. but how? I mean where?

[03:18:56]

mrjn:

wagnerrp, nvm. got it

[03:21:21]

wagnerrp:

ok, was pulling my frontend up to figure out the path to it

[03:22:36]

mrjn:

wagnerrp, yeah, I see 3 profiles: low resolution, medium and high. I was wondering if I could set livetv/recordings always to medium?

[03:23:06]

wagnerrp:

there should be a LiveTV profile for that

[03:23:06]

mrjn:

(for now, I just decreased the bitrate for high.. but doesn't seem like the right thing to do, considering I could just use medium)

[03:25:44]

[R]:

1080i is high, 720p is medium and 480 is low

[03:25:52]

[R]:

you dont pick high/medium

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mrjn:

[R], aha. So, I just need to set high to decent enough bit rate. And mythtv switches automatically between these.. okay

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[R]:

you need to set them all

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[R]:

to the bitrate you want

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, [R], the next question: Why doesn't my audio from mythtv playback work? It works for everything else. For e.g. if I were to use vlc/mplayer etc. from the recording folder of mythtv, they play back audio just fine

[03:28:57]

wagnerrp:

what distro?

[03:29:02]

mrjn:

ubuntu 10.04

[03:29:16]

wagnerrp:

are you using mythbuntu? or stock ubuntu?

[03:30:59]

mrjn:

ubuntu

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mrjn:

with mythtv on it

[03:31:16]

wagnerrp:

then you probably have issues with pulseaudio

[03:31:45]

mrjn:

wagnerrp, hmm... workarounds?

[03:32:40]

wagnerrp:

do you intend to continue using those other programs?

[03:33:14]

mrjn:

wagnerrp, hmm.. yeah I mean :-)

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, pandora etc. runs most of the time on this machine

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wagnerrp:

then set up mythtv to use whatever your ALSA device is whenever pulseaudio is disabled

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[R]:

this isn't family guy...

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[R]:

W T F

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, so I have to manually disable pulseaudio if I were to run mythtv?

[03:38:09]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv should do it automatically when you run it

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, ah the sound of music is so amazing! Thanks wagnerrp! :-)

[03:40:08]

Beirdo:

Wooohoo.

[03:40:28]

Beirdo:

don't wanna jinx it, but I think I may have cleaned up that one messy crash

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mrjn:

wagnerrp, btw, one last thing. Do I have to set the bitrate for all of the record profiles: default, livetv, recording etc.?

[03:40:49]

mrjn:

wagnerrp, or just doing it for default works on all?

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wagnerrp:

mrjn: only if you intend to use them

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Beirdo:

I'll let it run in valgrind a bit longer before restarting without and hoping I see no crashy

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wagnerrp:

funky...

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Beirdo:

I'm seeing another uninitialized data issue though too

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wagnerrp:

in edit mode, if you try to move more than 3 keypresses per second, it will just cycle between those two locations

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wagnerrp:

for keyframe mode anyway

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wagnerrp:

and my SBE was not running for unknown reasons

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wagnerrp:

meaning im not recording Venture Bros

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i think i figured out why i was having trouble in edit mode a week or so back

[03:55:16]

sphery:

oh?

[03:55:25]

wagnerrp:

i think ive got seek data beyond the end of the file

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wagnerrp:

so as i seek to the end of the file, there is no video, and playback terminates

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

that's a bug that still needs fixing

[04:03:10]

sphery:

it's a playback bug

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sphery:

I couldn't fix it while it was impossible to seek to the end

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Beirdo:

HDPVR recording isn't too happy with running under valgrind

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Beirdo:

blue light on, blue light off...

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[R]:

so they still aren't filming amazing race in 16x9

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[R]:

seriously... how hard is it?

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wagnerrp:

amazingly hard

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wagnerrp:

... i even set you up for that one

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wagnerrp:

but no, nothing

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wagnerrp:

i swear, youre the most unpredictable pun user ever

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

i dont really think she would say taht though

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre so modest

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wagnerrp:

sphery: looks like its something to do with interlaced vs. progressive

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wagnerrp:

the comm detection actually lists the end of the last commercial at 118804

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wagnerrp:

when it should be half that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, that would explain why we're trying to jump way beyond the end of the stream

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sphery:

and, yeah, the ones I've tested fit the theory

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sphery:

I still have to fix edit mode to not exit, but that sounds like it could be a problem, too

[04:28:19]

sphery:

actually, fix playback to not exit when in edit mode :)

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wagnerrp:

no, removing those two entries and skipping to the end still exits

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

we don't have any check in there that prevents exit when in edit mode

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sphery:

it seemingly got lost with one of the refactors

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im just trying to figure out what makes it think there are more frames available at this point

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Beirdo:

this is pretty funny

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sphery:

yeah, gotta figure that out, too

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Beirdo:

I can playback video only because the files are local from before my rsync

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Beirdo:

the backend can't stream and record simultaneously under valgrind, it seems :)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

valgrind is a hog

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Beirdo:

gonna see if I got the crashies out... soon

[04:35:06]

Beirdo:

at 10pm, recordings stop

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Beirdo:

==702== Syscall param write(buf) points to uninitialised byte(s)

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Beirdo:

hmmm, still don't have em all

[04:40:57]

Beirdo:

QByteArray is evil

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justinh:

hehehe slow seeking... another vote for anything with an Atom eh

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Beirdo:

why? because the code is inefficient still?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: no, because the HDPVR only dumps keyframes every few seconds

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wagnerrp:

meaning you have to seek to the keyframe, and then decode forward

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Beirdo:

ah

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justinh:

muhahaha

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Beirdo:

I never bothered to look at the keyframe stride

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wagnerrp:

of course VDPAU is likely going to manage decoding just as fast as any processor

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wagnerrp:

so hardware or software decoding, youre still boned

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justinh:

I was shocked though.. 100 frame between keyframes.. that can't be right though

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wagnerrp:

why not?

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justinh:

duh.. forgot about i-frames

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wagnerrp:

ive heard some h264 DVB broadcasters run 5+ seconds between keyframes

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wagnerrp:

and the h264 decoder in mythtv treats keyframes and i-frames as the same thing

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wagnerrp:

what the difference is, i couldnt say

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wagnerrp:

but apparently there is a difference between the two terms

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

4 more minutes then I can see if I cleaned up THOSE messes

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Beirdo:

uninitialized data is nasty, BTW

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justinh:

oh so *that* is what I, B & P are all about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression_picture_types

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wagnerrp:

right, I frames are the only ones that are complete in and of themselves

[05:01:09]

wagnerrp:

so you can only start playback at an I frame

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justinh:

well if you want good video, I suppose ;)

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wagnerrp:

well sure, you can start displaying garbage, and fill it in as you receive data

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wagnerrp:

but...

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justinh:

I shouldn't even be thinking about this stuff at 6am

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bobnvic:

wagnerrp: thanks for the quick response on ticket 9020 – it lead directly to the my misconfiguration of the cards.

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wagnerrp:

no problem

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wagnerrp:

just a shot in the dark, glad it turned out to be true rather than something that needed to be fixed in the code

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bobnvic:

can you close the ticket or is there some way for me to do so?

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wagnerrp:

ticket is closed

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bobnvic:

sorry, you did

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wagnerrp:

the stuff at the very bottom of the log, the 'eno: device already in use' or something, was the tip off

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bobnvic:

no wonder my comment didn't take. You were able to respond faster than I even though I saw it as soon as I posted it and tried to update it then – you still beat me to it

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bobnvic:

I was blinded by not even considering that I might have screwed up that basically – I definitely know better than that

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wagnerrp:

heh

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bobnvic:

I'm usually much more creative in my screwups

[05:06:18]

wagnerrp:

actually

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wagnerrp:

your comment didnt take as trac is borked

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wagnerrp:

xris: around for a kick in the daemon?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, its running again

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wagnerrp:

and broken again

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wagnerrp:

wow, ive got a lot of recordings with these bad endpoints

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wagnerrp:

maybe one in 4

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justinh:

heheh all my Bagpuss DVD is now mpeg4, stashed in mythvideo & fully metadata loaded :D

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wagnerrp:

interesting thought, these broken recordings all seem to be off CBS

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wagnerrp:

they really need to fire their video techs

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justinh:

or hire one ;)

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wagnerrp:

the quality is abysmal, cut-overs are done poorly

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wagnerrp:

and now apparently theyre broadcasting broken streams

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Maliuta:

anyone in here from brisbane.au?

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wagnerrp:

youll probably have better luck just waiting on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

we only have a handful of australian users that i know about

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wagnerrp:

you can tune those channels on a dvb-t capable tv?

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wagnerrp:

Maliuta: you may want to extend the timeouts in the mythtv-setup card setup, and try scanning again

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Beirdo:

I'm getting madder than crap

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Beirdo:

OK, let's just try this without valgrind

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Beirdo:

I think the remaining uninitialized data comes from within ProgramInfo somehow

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Beirdo:

but I can't see how

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wagnerrp:

i fear i may have done something bad

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Beirdo:

oh?

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Beirdo:

been a bad boy?

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wagnerrp:

i cant build gmp as libgmp is installed

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wagnerrp:

i cant uninstall libgmp as gcc depends on it

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wagnerrp:

so if i uninstall libgmp, wont that break gcc causing me to be unable to build gmp as a replacement?

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wagnerrp:

we shall see..

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Beirdo:

heh, not sure

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Beirdo:

2010-09–27 00:13:58.307 Player(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAALAAAAaAaAAAAAA

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

why?!

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Beirdo:

Ooooh.

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

I suck

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Beirdo:

how about I don't log the messages when they are video!?

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[R]:

i'm getting a (L) partial lock

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[R]:

on my QAM channels

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Beirdo:

this is starting to make me mad

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Beirdo:

why is this not playing smoothly now?

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[R]:

oh ffs

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[R]:

i think my tv is going to hide the real channel number from me

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Beirdo:

I don't get this crap

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mzb:

I've just had the opportunity to update my trunk install

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mzb:

where's the "Edit" option for playback?

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mzb:

(and/or how do I get it back;))

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[R]:

blag

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[R]:

my stupid tuner is locking

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[R]:

yet i get NOTHIGN

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[R]:

it was just working a few hours ago

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[R]:

PIECE O SHEEEEEEEEEEEE

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[R]:

who woulda thunk my coax cable was bad

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mzb:

also having an interesting issue trying to pause recording playback ... usually locks

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pak0:

i?m looking info about my issue, i have one nova t-500 from hauppaugue, and when i record tow channels on same multiplex i have a very poor signal strenght, is a issue with mythtv or problem with the firmware?

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pak0:

i have found similar issues with others cards

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SteveGoodey:

I believe that card has an onboard amp, have you turned that on?

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elmargol:

is importing a channels.conf totally broken or is there something wrong with my packages?

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justinh:

it's never been a recommended method

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elmargol:

manually scaning does not work for me

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elmargol:

w_scan works just fine

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justinh:

w_scan is a PITA (IMHO)

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justinh:

what are you trying to scan anyway?

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elmargol:

dvb-t here in italy

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justinh:

have you tried a tuned scan?

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elmargol:

yes I can't get a tune

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elmargol:

maybe the default timeout is to low?

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justinh:

maybe

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elmargol:

what is a save value to use?

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justinh:

that is, a "full scan (tuned)"

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justinh:

not "full scan"

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elmargol:

you mean adding a transport and scanning that?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

or full scan (tuned)

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justinh:

in my experience the full scanner sometimes fails for reasons unknown

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justinh:

other scanning apps already know what frequencies to hit first time

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elmargol:

It locks and does not find any channels

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justinh:

then maybe your broadcaster is doing something retarded

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elmargol:

i just add all transponders by hand...

[14:08:32]

justinh:

and no, no use saying 'w_scan works so it's not the broadcaster's fault'

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elmargol:

if you say so :)

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justinh:

oh and some tuners don't like AUTO parameters

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justinh:

so if you know more parameters for tuning than just the frequency, use them

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elmargol:

justinh, if I add one transponder and it tunes is it going to find all other transponders aswell?

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justinh:

maybe. maybe not

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justinh:

depends if they broadcast properly labelled & populated tables

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marc_us:

Howdy

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elmargol:

justinh, I guess the dvb-t provider here sucks... I had to manually add every transponder and scan it one by one

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elmargol:

scanning all transponders does not work at all

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justinh:

elmargol: oh well. at least that worked

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elmargol:

well tuning does not work :(

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justinh:

and it's not something you should have to do very often :)

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elmargol:

I get Partial Lock

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justinh:

do other dvb viewing apps work?

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elmargol:

have not testet

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justinh:

you should :)

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Carl__:

Is it possible to run two master backends on the same network? They keep wanting to each be the master when I go into mythtv-setup on each box. I'm trying to run a test system to play around with independent of my live system.

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elmargol:

kaffeine is ok?

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elmargol:

justinh, other apps work just fine :(

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justinh:

ach well

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elmargol:

this drives me insane

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elmargol:

roflmao

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elmargol:

enabling fast tune works

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wagnerrp:

wtf, someone on mythtvtalk who wants to disable article filtering when sorting content

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wagnerrp:

they actually /want/ to have a big block of 'The _____'

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bjd:

crazy talk

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elmargol:

Any idea what part of the channel setting is influencing the EPG?

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wagnerrp:

the 'xmltv id' only

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wagnerrp:

nothing else matters

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elmargol:

Use on air guide XMLTV ID: is checked

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elmargol:

is that what you mean?

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wagnerrp:

xmltv ids are used when using schedules direct or xmltv grabbers

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wagnerrp:

eit data is indexed to the program streams, so if you can tune the channel, the guide data should be pulled fine

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elmargol:

wagnerrp, thats the problem I don't see any EPG data from the stream

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cromag:

im kind of struggeling with getting info from a xml file, i just dont see it in the "program guide" it seems to be filled to the DB though

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wagnerrp:

if your digital tv provider is not broadcasting EIT data, you must use an xmltv grabber

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elmargol:

wagnerrp, my tv provider is broadcasting EIT data

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elmargol:

(other applications show epg data)

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wagnerrp:

elmargol: did you use the internal mythtv scanner? or did you import a channels.conf?

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elmargol:

I tired importing channels.conf. it did not work

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elmargol:

Now I added every transponder by hand and scanned it manually inside mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

if you use the internal scanner, EIT should 'just work'

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elmargol:

Maybe the problem is that most settings are to AUTO

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wagnerrp:

if its not... i dont know what to do, never actually used it myself

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elmargol:

I'm wondering If I change something inside the Transport. does it affect all channels?

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elmargol:

Or are transport settings stored / channel

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wagnerrp:

transport settings are shared among all channels on that transport

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elmargol:

ok lets check what other programs make different

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elmargol:

maybe my card has a hard time figuring some auto settings out

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skd5aner:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Beirdo:

Mmm, coffee

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wagnerrp:

so opinions? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/allow-mythvideo-inc . . . itles-13779/

[17:15:26]

wagnerrp:

should i flame back at this guy with a reference to the Library of Congress, which just so happens to sort 'A Scanner Darkly' in the 'S's?

[17:16:01]

Beirdo:

he knows better than the LoC, obviously

[17:16:16]

elmargol:

wagnerrp, kaffeine shows me service ID? what is that?

[17:16:17]

wagnerrp:

obviously it was a clerical error on their end

[17:17:05]

wagnerrp:

elmargol: honestly, im not the one to be talking about for digital broadcast internals

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devinheitmueller:

There's probably also an argument be made that #mythtv-users is probably not the best place to ask questions about Kaffeine.

[17:18:17]

elmargol:

well the 207 other users don't care or are just idling

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: hes trying to resolve an issue with other programs pulling EIT data properly, but mythtv failing to do so

[17:18:43]

devinheitmueller:

Ah, nevermind then.

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devinheitmueller:

My bad.

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elmargol:

devinheitmueller, EPG works out of the box inside kaffeine and. mythtv does not show anything thats why I try to compare the settings

[17:19:14]

devinheitmueller:

Is this EPG for DVB-T?

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wagnerrp:

yes, italy

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iamlindoro:

and perhaps more critically, did you actualyl scan in myth, or did you try to import a channels.conf

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wagnerrp:

scanned individual transponders in mythtv

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elmargol:

iamlindoro, I tried importing which failed. then I scanned individual transponders since scanning all transponders failed aswell

[17:22:24]

devinheitmueller:

Wow, I never really looked at mythtvtalk.com before. Now that I have though, my head is starting to hurt.

[17:22:49]

Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: I make it my policy not to go there :)

[17:22:56]

devinheitmueller:

heh.

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elmargol:

I googled a bit and someone is suggesting optimize_mythdb.p

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elmargol:

sounds scary to me

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Beirdo:

2010-09–27 08:58:22.317 mpegrecorder.cpp:set_ctrls(): Could not set Video Average Bitrate to 13500000

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

elmargol: will not do anything for your issue

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Beirdo:

yeah, I don't think the HVR-2250 will go that high. next thing to hunt down... why am I trying to set it so high for this particular card (having to add code is always fun)

[17:26:11]

elmargol:

somehow myth shows far less settings: there is no PMT PID, no VIDEO PID and no Teletext PID setting

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justinh:

elmargol: those are supposed to be broadcast & myth takes them from the relevant tables

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Beirdo:

heh, according to the driver, max is 6500000

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justinh:

6.5mb is pretty respectable

[17:28:13]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

but somehow, mythtv is trying to ram HDPVR bitrates into my HVR-2250. It will be fixed

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wagnerrp:

i thought the encoder chips they used would run up to 12.5

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Beirdo:

needless to say, the driver's refusing it

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elmargol:

what about modulation myth shows QAM Auto, and kaffeine shows AUTO

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skd5aner:

finally, I have udev rules

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skd5aner:

than you Beirdo

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skd5aner:

your example was very helpful

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: the driver says 6500000 max, 1000000 mix

[17:29:18]

wagnerrp:

at least on my 150s, ive got the average set to 6600000 (~3GB/hr)

[17:29:18]

Beirdo:

min

[17:29:21]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: no prob

[17:29:34]

wagnerrp:

and a peak somewhere in the 8s

[17:29:41]

justinh:

elmargol: modulation type as AUTO should be OK

[17:29:54]

Beirdo:

I'm just going with what I see :)

[17:30:55]

Beirdo:

I'm fine with it though, I run around 4mbit/s for SD usually

[17:31:18]

Beirdo:

just gotta track down why it's trying to set it to high :)

[17:31:56]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: if it's set that high, maybe it's something borrowed from the HD-PVR code, since I believe that is the default "High" bitrate.

[17:32:10]

Beirdo:

yeah

[17:32:29]

Beirdo:

the mpegrecorder.cpp is going to have saa7164 case in it soon

[17:32:57]

Beirdo:

at least for MY use... then I can discuss with others if they feel it should be reworked for all to use, or committed as is

[17:33:18]

Beirdo:

it has cases for ivtv, pvrusb2, hdpvr

[17:33:24]

Beirdo:

time for a 4th :)

[17:33:51]

Beirdo:

mplayer likes the card just fine as is, so I know it should be usable with a little bit of code tweaking

[17:34:13]

Beirdo:

like don't try to set audio bitrates... don't set the video bitrate outside of limits, etc

[17:34:16]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:34:32]

Beirdo:

found it

[17:34:40]

justinh:

like don't overclock the mpeg encoder chip ;-)

[17:34:50]

Beirdo:

I think I found it anyways

[17:34:59]

justinh:

not without attaching yer water cooling block to the card :D

[17:35:29]

wagnerrp:

justinh: but now its harder, better, faster... ignore those strange video artifacts behind the curtain

[17:35:30]

Beirdo:

of course, I'd really appreciate it if SSDP didn't crash my backend!

[17:36:21]

Beirdo:

let's just disable its use a little

[17:36:38]

** Beirdo removes the USN from config.xml **

[17:36:41]

Beirdo:

bit me

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justinh:

hmmm my backend seems to suck up 75W idle-ish

[17:36:49]

Beirdo:

bite me rather :)

[17:37:33]

justinh:

power company sent me a 'free' wireless energy monitor

[17:37:44]

wagnerrp:

my backend sucks up like 200...

[17:39:18]

wagnerrp:

i really need to figure why spindown didnt work last time i tried it

[17:39:31]

wagnerrp:

im sure that would cut my power in half

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, would be nice to see the recorder be a little smarter than basing it on the chipset. It should probably just take the max and then for the initial values say high=100%, medium=75%, low=50%, or something to that effect.

[17:47:43]

Beirdo:

well, the issue here was the init code...

[17:47:58]

Beirdo:

it said "if not hdpvr, do all this"

[17:48:13]

Beirdo:

which I changed to "if not hdpvr and not saa7164"

[17:48:22]

Beirdo:

as it was setting some things that we can't

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Beirdo:

which was incorrect... the else... uses the high profile max

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Beirdo:

soo... change it to if hdpvr do this... if saa7164 do this... else do the default

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Beirdo:

should catch it

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elmargol:

Error wrong PMT -> pmt -> pn (21) desired (20)

[18:01:11]

Beirdo:

WTF

[18:01:26]

Beirdo:

mythweb says no frontends allow remote control

[18:01:27]

Beirdo:

my ass

[18:02:14]

Beirdo:

needed to add the frontend into /etc/hosts

[18:02:16]

Beirdo:

figures

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: a slight tweak to the "Appearance" menu graphic in Arclight may be in order now that the theme is no longer selected in that settings

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Beirdo:

pretty minor thing, of course..

[18:09:02]

tzanger:

Beirdo: any idea how difficult it would be to tweak the upnp server to only tell clients about recordings that actually exist on disk (i.e. like the "Play recording" listing) instead of telling the clients about every episode and recording ever made?

[18:09:16]

cromag:

2010-09–27 20:08:57.529 Source 1 configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping.

[18:09:25]

Beirdo:

I don't think it DOES say all the formerly recorded

[18:09:25]

cromag:

does that mean it doesnt see my xml file then ?

[18:09:37]

Beirdo:

certainly doesn't seem to for me

[18:10:16]

tzanger:

Beirdo: ok, maybe it's been long since fixed... I AM running ancient mythtv

[18:10:36]

Beirdo:

could be :0

[18:10:39]

Beirdo:

BRB

[18:10:57]

tzanger:

Beirdo: haha

[18:10:58]

tzanger:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

[18:11:11]

tzanger:

it's only 2.5 years old, come on

[18:11:14]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, huh?

[18:11:33]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Those strings are not set by the theme...

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iamlindoro:

That said, you do still pick the other themes in appearance

[18:14:32]

iamlindoro:

So the description text is still accurate

[18:14:50]

Beirdo:

not the string, the image

[18:14:57]

Beirdo:

and you don't anymore

[18:15:07]

Beirdo:

that was changed over the last few days

[18:15:18]

iamlindoro:

Why would I want to change the image?

[18:15:33]

Beirdo:

oh, the text isn't part of the image

[18:15:38]

Beirdo:

OK, I need more coffee

[18:15:42]

Beirdo:

my apologies

[18:15:42]

iamlindoro:

No. It's also not a part of the theme.

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Beirdo:

ah, so we should get Captain_Murdoch to finish the job (after 0.24) I guess

[18:16:24]

Beirdo:

no need to mess with strings now

[18:17:07]

Beirdo:

I wish I had setup a tunnel to phpmyadmin.

[18:17:08]

Beirdo:

hmmm

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Captain_Murdoch:

menu theme is still chosen there until after 0.24 sometime when I get menu themes working in the theme chooser.

[18:20:31]

Beirdo:

fun :)

[18:20:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'd like to be able to display a 'menu' overtop of the currently chosen UI theme's background, but that is a bit of work.

[18:20:59]

Beirdo:

come on, remode

[18:21:04]

Beirdo:

remote...

[18:21:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

will have to see, haven't even looked into it much yet.

[18:21:36]

Beirdo:

livetv over remote is funky

[18:22:31]

SteveGoodey:

That made me laugh, only just joined this chat, thought Captain_Murdoch was Rupert!!!

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Captain_Murdoch:

did work on the theme validator script the other night. have it checking for theminfo.xml components, running xmllint, and starting comparison of #'s of each type of elements to the default theme to see if a window is a copy of default. need to work in -wide once I get the basics working

[18:25:15]

elmargol:

I'm wondering If I'm the only one who ever startet live tv...

[18:25:37]

elmargol:

the interface somehow crashes every n minutes

[18:25:59]

elmargol:

video keeps playing... controlls do not work anymore :(

[18:26:01]

Beirdo:

2010-09–27 11:24:54.847 MPEGRec(/dev/video-hvr0) Warning: Can't enable VBI recording (3)

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Beirdo:

getting somewhere

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Beirdo:

2010-09–27 11:24:55.742 DevRdB(/dev/video-hvr0) Error: Problem reading fd(58) eno: Bad address (14)

[18:26:51]

Beirdo:

and a pile of those

[18:27:14]

Beirdo:

but of course it can't enable VBI. it's handled in the V4L way

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Beirdo:

and I'm sure I need to tweak that too

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cromag:

what is the main issue when i can't see my EPG/EIT info in my program guide and seem to have filled db correctly ?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

VBI may need to be disabled for now

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elmargol:

is there a way to delete all existing epg data?

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skd5aner:

I'm redoing my cards, inputs, sources, and channels and want to make sure I'm doing it optimally, here's my scenario...

[18:48:18]

skd5aner:

I can tune analog cable channels 2–99 via multiple analog cards

[18:48:44]

skd5aner:

digital cable, various QAM channels that align to xmltvids in the full digital cable lineup

[18:48:54]

skd5aner:

and an HDPVR which can tune everything via STB

[18:49:41]

skd5aner:

I've always used 2 lineups for this analog lineup (ch 2–99) and digital lineup (2-#### – everything)

[18:50:38]

skd5aner:

and 3 sources – analog (tied to the analog card inputs using the analogy lineup), digital (tied to the QAM inputs and using the digital lineup), and HDPVR (tied to the HDPVR and using the digital lineup)

[18:51:50]

skd5aner:

I suppose, I could probably use the single complete cable lineup (digital channels 2-####), but continue to use 3 sources – does that sound correct?

[18:53:01]

skd5aner:

just thinking out loud here to see if that makes sense or if I should somehow collapse lineups and/or sources – I think I can collapse lineups, but not sources

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skd5aner:

a lineup needs to contain data which aligns to xmltv ids on any given source... so a lineup could have more channels than necessary for a source so long as it contained all the xmltv ids that particular source needed

[18:57:44]

skd5aner:

however, a source is a collection of channels that limit what is tunable for a given input, so they would need to be unique across analog, digital, and HDPVR since they all can tune a unique set of channels, some of which overlaps

[18:58:08]

skd5aner:

just want to make sure my understanding isn't skewed here – that's the way I've been doing it and it seems to work

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cromag:

im not able to get an xml filled with epg ata to show in program guide, how should i troubleshoot on this ?

[20:12:14]

justinh:

check the xmltvids for each channel

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elmargol:

any ideas why the frontend crashes if i press e?

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cromag:

justinh: frontend ?

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justinh:

cromag: mythtv-setup or mythweb

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cromag:

thanks

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elmargol:

any Ideas why I can only tune dvb-t if I enable quick tuning?

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cromag:

some of the channels have the right ID, but still no EPG is showing.

[20:34:10]

cromag:

do i need to set someting somewhere maybe ?

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justinh:

if channels do not have the correct xmltvid set when you run mythfilldatabase the xmltv grabber will insert useless channels which will appear with correct guide data – but you won't be able to tune to them

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cromag:

ok, this is gonna be a hard one..

[20:41:51]

cromag:

thanks though. I will test tomorrow.

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wagnerrp:

been awfully quiet today

[21:03:44]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

and pretty warm here

[21:04:08]

wagnerrp:

warm? its cold and rainy here

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wagnerrp:

not that we dont need it

[21:04:33]

wagnerrp:

been hot and dry far too long

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justinh:

been pretty quiet lately in here full stop

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saftsack_:

hey, i updatet to the recent svn version. if i want to start mythbackend it stops and says, that i have no capture cards.

[21:39:19]

saftsack_:

i have no capture cards, but i just want to use the video option of mythtv.

[21:40:19]

wagnerrp:

tunerless operation is currently not supported

[21:40:32]

wagnerrp:

if you only want to use mythtv for its plugins, you will still have to provide a dummy tuner

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skd5aner:

it doesn't have to be quiet, people could have answered my thoughts from a few hours ago ;)

[21:41:02]

saftsack_:

wagnerrp: in 0.23 it worked.

[21:41:10]

saftsack_:

how to add a dummy tuner?

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skd5aner:

but, doesn't matter – went through the excerise already

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wagnerrp:

add an 'MPEG encoder card', and for the device node, add any spare mpeg file you have on your syetem

[21:42:11]

wagnerrp:

use an external tuner, use the command '/bin/true'

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wagnerrp:

actually, if youre on trunk, i think there is a special tuner specifically for this purpose

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toxic_:

hello everyone !

[22:04:04]

toxic_:

I currently have a Core2 D

[22:04:08]

toxic_:

Duo 8200

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toxic_:

as a HomeServer

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toxic_:

and I'm willing to use mythtv...

[22:05:06]

toxic_:

I'm wonddering if i should split backend and frontend, or just simply put those 2 on the old Pentium4 3.0Ghz...

[22:05:37]

toxic_:

The Homeserver is currently running my RAID5 4TB and will hold all videos/recordings.

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skd5aner:

sphery: ping

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toxic_:

so, question is :will a Core3 E8200 be enought for running the soft-RAID and do the encoding/comercial-detection at the same time or will I need some more horsepower ?

[22:30:55]

kormoc:

plenty for the raid, depends on your source and wants for the commflag

[22:32:17]

toxic_:

kormoc, for the source, I still have to buy the TV card(s)

[22:32:46]

kormoc:

it'll handle it fine, it just might not be real time for say h264 1080i content

[22:33:16]

toxic_:

so if you can point me to a resonably cheap TV card supported and maybe a hardware encoder so I don't blow off the processor...

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liminal:

hello

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kormoc:

that would really depend on your source and wants again

[22:33:56]

kormoc:

cable? satellite? atsc? dvb? sd? hd? etc

[22:33:58]

toxic_:

oh, source will be DVBT....

[22:34:11]

liminal:

for some reason after i ran an general update, I no longer get any program guide data

[22:34:16]

kormoc:

welp, I can't comment at all on that, as I'm in the US

[22:34:21]

liminal:

all the channels show as unknown

[22:34:42]

toxic_:

I got a freebox (from my isp) which is giving a rstp stream

[22:34:47]

liminal:

anyone know why? im think its a database issue.. but not sure

[22:34:56]

toxic_:

so for those channels encoding is null effort

[22:35:38]

toxic_:

but i'm only wondering : how cpu-consuming is a comercial-detection ?

[22:36:15]

toxic_:

if needed, I could add a dedicated Pentium4 3.0Ghz as a slave backend... Would it help ?

[22:37:24]

kormoc:

it really depends on if it's HD or SD and the encoding type (h264 or mpeg2 or what not)

[22:41:01]

liminal:

can anyone help me get my program guide data back?

[22:41:33]

liminal:

i can watch all channels, but the EPG shows them as unknown

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toxic_:

kormoc, I understand that, let say I use mpeg2 (more usual on hardware encoders) and HD 720

[22:44:59]

toxic_:

What processor do I need to have a fast comercial-detection ?

[22:45:14]

toxic_:

(add to that that the files are on a nfs-share...)

[22:45:23]

toxic_:

(with a gigabit ethernet...)

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kormoc:

define fast. Real time? Greater then real time? less then real time?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: when you were just working on the channel scanner, why are some channels entered with the subchannel seperated by a "-" and some by a "_"? I'm running the backported versions in .23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

_ is used as the seperator for ATSC signaled channels, I didn't touch that. – is used for all other channels

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iamlindoro:

realistically all channels should be using – as the separator as it's pretty much universally accepted, but since I didn't have to touch the ATSC channel naming in the scope of my changes, I didn't

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** wagnerrp wonders what a core3 is **

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liminal:

hello

[22:51:42]

liminal:

:(

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wagnerrp:

liminal: we hear you, but the four of us regs/devs currently active in here dont use EIT or radiotimes

[22:52:52]

wagnerrp:

so if youre having problems with either, its out of our area of expertise

[22:53:11]

liminal:

what do you use?

[22:53:16]

wagnerrp:

schedulesdirect

[22:53:28]

wagnerrp:

its a north american listings provider

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wagnerrp:

although he looks like someone who may be able to help you

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liminal:

why wouldn't you use eit?

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wagnerrp:

because EIT sucks over here

[22:55:34]

liminal:

ah i see

[22:55:41]

liminal:

over here it seems quiet good

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wagnerrp:

liminal: that was a hint, Slim-Kimbo lives in your area, and may have some experience with your issue

[22:56:09]

liminal:

is he awake?

[22:56:26]

wagnerrp:

he just logged in, using the same ISP as you

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Slim-Kimbo:

sorry guys watching telly

[22:57:33]

Slim-Kimbo:

did I miss something

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liminal:

hi slim-kimbo

[22:58:25]

liminal:

my mythtv was working fine, but then i ran some ubuntu updates

[22:58:38]

liminal:

now the epg data wont populate

[22:58:56]

liminal:

i can watch all the channels fine, but the guide shows everything as unknown

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Slim-Kimbo:

I use EIT and always have with no problems

[22:59:35]

liminal:

this looks like a possible realted issue

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liminal:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /201077.html

[23:00:42]

toxic_:

kormoc, ok, let's do it again : what CPU for real time comercial-detection on a 720 HD stream using mpeg ?

[23:01:13]

iamlindoro:

at what bitrate?

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toxic_:

I only want a point where I know what CPU is needed, I can extrapolate from that...

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toxic_:

damn it guys !

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liminal:

i think some tables in the mythtv database got toasted during my update

[23:01:31]

toxic_:

what do you think ?

[23:01:38]

saftsack__:

hey, had someone tried mythtv on beagle?

[23:02:20]

kormoc:

toxic_, it all depends on your provider

[23:02:29]

kormoc:

toxic_, there are no fast, easy answers...

[23:02:46]

iamlindoro:

If you want fast and easy, buy the highest end thing out there

[23:03:01]

toxic_:

is it that hard to give me some basic answer on how much CPU is needed to watch standard TV on a standard 107cm LCD screen and have realtime detection ?

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toxic_:

I'm buying the tV-card, so the media-source is at your wish !!

[23:03:29]

knightr:

Hi! Is there any other log, apart from the httpd one, to look into for MythWeb? I am getting some pretty weird error messages since I upgraded some packages..

[23:03:33]

iamlindoro:

toxic_, As kormoc said, there are way too many variables for there to be such a thing as a basic answer

[23:03:57]

knightr:

Search no longer works, listings no longer work, etc...

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liminal:

Or use optimize_mythdb in the doc/mythtv dir.

[23:04:06]

liminal:

or you can use the repair command from mysql.

[23:04:11]

iamlindoro:

toxic_, Nobody is holding out on you, it's just not as simple as you would like-- you could at least be courteous to us, we're the ones trying to answer you

[23:04:28]

liminal:

how do i repair the mythtv database?

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iamlindoro:

liminal, You just answered your own question

[23:04:55]

iamlindoro:

use the script

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toxic_:

damn it, a tivo is using a crappy cpu and still detects comercial... I don't think i need "the highest end thing out there" or do I need a quad Xeon with fully buffered memory to watch crappy SD TV ?!

[23:05:22]

iamlindoro:

toxic_, please calm down, and watch your language, you are violating channel rules

[23:05:51]

liminal:

i simply run the command 'repair mythtv datbase'?

[23:06:05]

iamlindoro:

liminal, no, you run optimize_mythdb.pl

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toxic_:

iamlindoro, sorry, I just get a little... well, u tell me I need to give you details, but "buy the highest-end thing out there" is not much of a precise answer !

[23:06:18]

iamlindoro:

wherever your packages put it, or in the source

[23:06:25]

liminal:

whats the directory path?

[23:06:34]

iamlindoro:

toxic_, We ask for the details to give you a precise answer, and you get rude

[23:06:47]

iamlindoro:

liminal, wherever your packager decided to put it

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression that tivo removed their commercial detection

[23:06:57]

wagnerrp:

and added a simple 'skip 30 seconds' option

[23:06:57]

iamlindoro:

they did

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liminal:

ive no idea where that is in ubuntu

[23:07:21]

iamlindoro:

liminal, then you can ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

toxic_: video decoding performance is determined almost entirely by bitrate and codec

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wagnerrp:

you have provided neither

[23:08:46]

wagnerrp:

commercial detection performance is also based off resolution, but to a lesser extent

[23:09:05]

wagnerrp:

especially with recent changes made in trunk

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toxic_:

ok, so anyway, I'm here just to see if it is POSSIBLE to use my E8200 which is not entirely DEDICATED to mythtv for watching and recording TV. You could have told me "on that machine, depending on the source and quality, comercial-detection might take between 5 and 30 minits for a 45min TV-show"

[23:09:49]

toxic_:

but you did not say anything...

[23:10:17]

toxic_:

so maybe now that you have an idea of what sort of answer I'm looking for...

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iamlindoro:

toxic_, You are obviously more trouble to help than to ignore-- please change your demeanor, or leave

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wagnerrp:

correct, depending on what content you wish to use, you will barely be able to play back in real time

[23:10:49]

wagnerrp:

much less do commercial detection at the same time

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toxic_:

iamlindoro, sorry if you think i'm rude, my english is not that good, maybe the tone is false...

[23:11:14]

wagnerrp:

where is this content from?

[23:11:46]

wagnerrp:

youre on proxad, so thats french?

[23:11:47]

toxic_:

iamlindoro, I just gave that sentence to ask you to give me some answer like this, i'm not looking for any warranty from you...

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wagnerrp:

DVB-T can be mpeg2 or h264

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wagnerrp:

and anywhere from 1mbps to ~25mbps

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toxic_:

But as I know it's no use trying to run a mythtv-backend on a 166Mhz Pentium 1, I just wanted to know if my E8200 dualcore might be able to do the trick or if I definitely need REAL horsepower like a big fat quadcore

[23:13:17]

wagnerrp:

most of the tasks you would be doing in mythtv are single threaded

[23:13:31]

wagnerrp:

commercial detection is single threaded

[23:13:35]

wagnerrp:

transcoding is single threaded

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wagnerrp:

playback is single threaded unless you have a multi-sliced h264 video

[23:13:56]

toxic_:

ok, so fsb and GhZ are more important...

[23:14:04]

wagnerrp:

recording is single threaded, but aside from analog framegrabbers, that doesnt really matter

[23:14:34]

toxic_:

that is a very important consideration, thanks wagnerrp !

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wagnerrp:

you can /not/ run mythbackend on a P1 using framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

but an mpeg encoder or digital tuner would probably run fine

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toxic_:

meaning my old pentium4 3.0Ghz might do better because of faster FsB and because 3.0>2.3 ;)

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wagnerrp:

your P4 has a slower FSB, and much worse single threaded performance

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knightr:

Could this cause problems with Myth? [error] python_init: Python version mismatch, expected '2.6', found '2.6.4'

[23:16:09]

wagnerrp:

knightr: not something i wrote, where do you see that?

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toxic_:

wagnerrp, mpeg encoder for dvbt would rung on a P1 ?

[23:16:56]

toxic_:

(crappy SD dvbt)

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knightr:

wagnerrp, error_log of the httpd server on which MythWeb runs (or tries to, no longer works since I upgraded some packages)

[23:17:25]

wagnerrp:

toxic_: by 'mpeg encoder', i mean a specific type of analog tuner card that encodes the video in hardware and passes an mpeg stream to mythtv

[23:17:29]

knightr:

wagnerrp, Does MythWeb uses the Python bindings?

[23:17:48]

knightr:

(even though its mostly PHP..)

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wagnerrp:

knightr: there was discussion of doing so for some of the mythvideo bits, but as far as i know, no

[23:17:54]

wagnerrp:

its all php and perl

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toxic_:

wagnerrp, exactly, that one is possible ! i told i had to buy a card !

[23:18:03]

iamlindoro:

flowplayer, on the other hand...

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wagnerrp:

the only thing they were considering using was the scanner

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wagnerrp:

rather than rewriting their own storage group video scanner

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knightr:

hmm, weird... I wonder why I got that in my logs... I'm not getting any PHP error as far as I can tell in the logs (only one are on the screen and they don't make sense... (empty channel lists and the like...)

[23:20:16]

toxic_:

so, as I would like to store and keep my recordings, the question is : is it much better to use a software encoder to get a smaller file for the same quality or should i stick to a hardware encoder ,

[23:20:17]

toxic_:

?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thanks – it's interesting, I'm pulling everything through cable, and I'm getting ATSC signals as well, is that normal to receive them as ATSC?

[23:20:25]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, yes

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wagnerrp:

toxic_: no, it is never better to use a software encoder for mythtv

[23:20:46]

iamlindoro:

most cable companies will maintain the ATSC signalling on those channels which are locally broadcast

[23:20:59]

wagnerrp:

if you wish, you can transcode your videos to a smaller size at some point later

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toxic_:

wagnerrp, ok, that is one good thing to know !

[23:21:09]

wagnerrp:

but at the current price of hard drives, its generally easier to just buy more

[23:21:27]

wagnerrp:

drives are cheap, controller cards are cheap, and they can be spun down when not in use

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skd5aner:

ok – for some reason, I just assumed that the cable co wouldn't keep the original ATSC signal and that only OTA was ATSC

[23:21:40]

wagnerrp:

they take up space, but you can always make a dedicated backend that you shove in a closet somewhere

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iamlindoro:

signalling and signal are different animals

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toxic_:

well, I like the 700Mo format for a 2hours film and 350Mb for a 45min TV show wagnerrp

[23:21:59]

wagnerrp:

additionally, RAID (software or otherwise) is not recommended for recording drives

[23:22:19]

wagnerrp:

it is better to record to individual drives

[23:22:32]

wagnerrp:

if you want to move them to some redundant array at a later point, you can do so

[23:22:45]

toxic_:

wagnerrp, thanks !

[23:22:48]

wagnerrp:

usually after doing a 'lossless transcode' to strip the commercials out

[23:23:04]

toxic_:

that's the kind of tipps I'm looking for !

[23:23:09]

wagnerrp:

no one likes the 700MB videos and 350MB tv shows

[23:23:36]

wagnerrp:

that is some completely arbitrary value decided upon by the 'thieving scene' in order to stuff content on CDs

[23:23:38]

toxic_:

question is : does mythtv include an automated process to transcode my recordings after comercial-deletion ?

[23:23:52]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has a jobqueue

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knightr:

wagnerrp, looks like it's the mod_python module of the httpd server which is complaining because it was compiled to use Python 2.6 and see Python 2.6.4... Looks like my problem is elsewhere...

[23:24:09]

wagnerrp:

you can tell mythtv to transcode using its internal utility, or you can define your own tools

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wagnerrp:

at which point the backend will run whatever task you have defined on those recordings in batch manner

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wagnerrp:

you can run multiple machines, each with their own jobqueue, run do multiple things simultaneously

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toxic_:

ok, something like cron but based on mythtv's load instead of time ?

[23:25:44]

wagnerrp:

no, cron runs things at certain time intervals

[23:25:49]

wagnerrp:

the jobqueue is a batch manager

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wagnerrp:

you give it a bunch of tasks, and it will perform one at a time

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toxic_:

ok, but for example, my transcoding for keeping the serie on the raid might be paused to allow recording of another tv-show ?

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wagnerrp:

no, but you can set certain time frames for jobs to run during

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wagnerrp:

and you can have the transcode run at a low CPU priority

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toxic_:

hmmm.. ok

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toxic_:

thanks wagnerrp

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toxic_:

i'll try a mythtv setup and we'll see ;)

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BLZbubba:

how does mythtv determine the timezone? i set /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone but mythweb and the backend still think they're on moscow time

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: php has its own internal time zone that may be conflicting

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BLZbubba:

the backend has the same problem – the frontend won't connect

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BLZbubba:

nope, even with php hard coded it is wrong, hmm

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BLZbubba:

ok the step that straighted out mythweb was: TRUNCATE TABLE mythweb_sessions;

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BLZbubba:

i'm not sure which previous step "really" fixed it though :)

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