Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 26th, 2010, 00:11 UTC

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NowhereBoy:

hi guys — can anyone recommend a PCIe tuner that can be used for NTSC? Most of the ones I'm seeing are either PCI or limited to digital only in linux.

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stoth:

2250 works fairly well.

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Beirdo:

yup, works well for me so far

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NowhereBoy:

according to the linuxtv wiki analog support is experimental though

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Beirdo:

wow it's weird to have a powerful box having the loudest sound being a hard drive seeking

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its your only option

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Beirdo:

half of Linux is experimental :)

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wagnerrp:

technically, the 1800/1850 works, but there is a bug in the analog driver that prevents it working with mythtv

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NowhereBoy:

fair enough

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stoth:

NowhereBoy: maybe you should roll up your sleaves and help fix what you don't like.

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Beirdo:

OMG, I'm actually watching Live TV.

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Beirdo:

heh

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NowhereBoy:

well I'm not a developer, much less one capable of doing drivers

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NowhereBoy:

;)

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wagnerrp:

stoth: good to see were not the only ones prodding our users to contribute... :P

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Beirdo:

background noise while I actually cut my backend over to the new box

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stoth:

lots of takers, very few willing to participate – even in the smallest of ways.

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NowhereBoy:

anyway, I'm currently planning out a little mini-itx system to act as combined frontend+backend for a family media center

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Beirdo:

got "Balls of Fury" on the TV

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NowhereBoy:

I'll definitely post up any potential issues and workarounds I find

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Beirdo:

yeah, finding people to actually help make things work better is always an issue

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wagnerrp:

NowhereBoy: hopefully youre going to use a 'real' processor

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NowhereBoy:

yeah, plan is for an i3–530

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wagnerrp:

'real' meaning anything that comes in a removable socket

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** stoth grins **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: so a K6-III?

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wagnerrp:

VIA/Atom need not apply for backends and combo boxes... and if youre using something that fits in a wall socket, youre getting stabbed

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: if you can stuff enough memory in one to not swap, go for it :)

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NowhereBoy:

debating how much RAM I'll need — would 2 GB be enough for a setup that mostly wouldn't be multitasking?

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wagnerrp:

2GB is plenty

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NowhereBoy:

good

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wagnerrp:

1GB is do-able if youre not doing high resolution stuff

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wagnerrp:

or if you use a theme without artwork

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Beirdo:

Atom is FINE for backend. as long as you don't commflag or transcode

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NowhereBoy:

we will be doing hd stuff

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Beirdo:

I still wouldn't suggest it

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: and only have one or two tuners, and only a handful of channels, and...

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NowhereBoy:

this is going to be attached to our 50" plasma :P

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Beirdo:

oh, and use hardware encoders

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Beirdo:

definitely better to use a "real" processor :)

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NowhereBoy:

yep

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Beirdo:

I like my new i7–860

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** wagnerrp is suffering on his old 165 **

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Beirdo:

WTH?

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Beirdo:

sphery: remove all capture cards is screwy ;)

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Beirdo:

it doesn't reset the encoder number :)

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wagnerrp:

sure it does

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wagnerrp:

'remove all capture cards on this host' doesnt

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

I guess I may have hit the wrong one

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my encoders are 18–24 right now

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wagnerrp:

sphery: Beirdo is screwy ;)

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wagnerrp:

hes off clicking random crap again

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Beirdo:

he knew THAT

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know anything about wiki 'patrolling'?

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Beirdo:

not really

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wagnerrp:

i now see exclamation marks against all edits in the recent changes

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

good thing wagnerrp is here to set him straight :)

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wagnerrp:

i think were supposed to patrol those and mark them as not spam

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Beirdo:

2010-09–25 18:21:13.180 Scheduled 1570 items in 8.4 = 0.27 match + 8.13 place

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Beirdo:

suweet

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm guessing that's due to your new privs?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

There's a new sherriff in town...

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** sphery just finished watching Walking Tall **

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** Beirdo just finished starting up his new backend **

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** wagnerrp carries a polished log **

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sphery:

I can just picture wagnerrp running around the wiki with his cedar 4x4

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Beirdo:

with hand-carved grip

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sphery:

Beirdo: congrats... nice resched (especially if that's a many-channel, cable setup)

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wagnerrp:

im pissed off, iamlindoro got to the last ban before i had a chance

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Beirdo:

it was > 20s on the old box.

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wagnerrp:

thats what happens when you migrate to a processor with 4x the power

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wagnerrp:

excuse me... powah

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BLZbubba:

ok this is weird on my nvidia 210, when i run alsamixer it shows a card but with no settings to set; and aplay doesn't show anything. i'm trying to get hdmi audio going

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Beirdo:

well, a little less than 4x :)

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Beirdo:

maybe 3.5x?

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BLZbubba:

is it normal for aplay to show nothing with an nvidia gt 210?

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Beirdo:

what am I smoking...

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Beirdo:

make that 4.5x

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sphery:

BLZbubba: maybe you need newer ALSA/kernel?

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wagnerrp:

well there are always scaling factors for multithreaded programs

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Beirdo:

4 cores, and faster each.

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Beirdo:

I suck

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wagnerrp:

nah, still 2.8GHz isnt it?

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Beirdo:

yes, but better core

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BLZbubba:

sphery: ah ok, i did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa ; apt-get install linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-24-generic

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BLZbubba:

and it found some devices

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wagnerrp:

they get more done, but they not 'faster'

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

semantics :)

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wagnerrp:

now youre working with gigatransfers

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Beirdo:

I think it's almost time to (re)setup the frontend

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Beirdo:

the old box will be my frontend still for a few weeks

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Beirdo:

but I renamed all the settings

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Beirdo:

so now I get to setup the frontend again :)

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Beirdo:

going combined->split isn't terribly automated

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BLZbubba:

ok the only audio device is the 210's HDMI. in mythtv, will the device ALSA:hdmi find it properly?

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wagnerrp:

if ALSA is set up to define that output as such

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Beirdo:

gah

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Beirdo:

lirc is borked because I removed the HDPVR

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Beirdo:

hehe

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BLZbubba:

ok works great, ty

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BLZbubba:

now i wish i hadn't bought a $5 optical s/pdif card on ebay

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wagnerrp:

a what?

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BLZbubba:

the new pc i'm using for a frontend didnt' have an s/pdif at all

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BLZbubba:

so i bought one on ebay

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BLZbubba:

then i realized i could do hdmi audio

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BLZbubba:

will any hdmi switching receiver be OK with the hdmi audio? e.g. a denon 3808

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wagnerrp:

a $5 sound card? or a $5 breadboard and some circuitry to hook into the HDA jack on your motherboard

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

bread

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wagnerrp:

i would be very surprised that any board with PCIe slots didnt have digital audio

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Beirdo:

ahhhh, working frontend again :)

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Beirdo:

almost

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Beirdo:

it says it doesn't like my mixer?

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Beirdo:

huh?

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Beirdo:

this always worked before

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Beirdo:

wonder what I missed

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

ALSA:default, not /dev/mixer

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Beirdo:

fixed

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BLZbubba:

wagnerrp: prepare to be surprised then :)

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BLZbubba:

it is an old dell low profile desktop

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BLZbubba:

ok next, when i hit Esc at the main menu, it takes 5–10 seconds to show the "are you sure" dialog; i am running top on the frontend, backend, nfs server, and database, and none of them show any activity happening. what can cause this delay?

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Gumby:

when mythtv scans dvb-s, does it get all the TIDs from the stream or is there a list of TIDs that it tries by default to scan?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the gallery doesnt use the database for anything does it?

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Beirdo:

not that I know of at this time

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Beirdo:

other than a few settings

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wagnerrp:

oh, there is some table for storing image rotation

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Beirdo:

really? I'd forgotten about that one, sorry

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Beirdo:

I haven't gotten deeply into the gallery code yet, but I will be

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wagnerrp:

just cleaning up the schema documentation on the wiki

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

filtering out what goes with which plugin

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Beirdo:

OK, now for the fun part.

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Beirdo:

where the heck is the setting for number of concurrent jobs?

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Beirdo:

in mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

yea

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wagnerrp:

under general, its per-backend

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Beirdo:

k

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Beirdo:

Gotcha

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[R]:

wagnerrp: can you delete a recording with the python bindings?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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wagnerrp:

dataheap.Recorded.delete()

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you think i could add a handler for rm into that mythfs.py?

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iamlindoro:

Jesus Christ, is it so hard to get a real backtrace from Mythbuntu/Ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

Every ticket they forward is like reading a redacted document

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wagnerrp:

[R]: would be fairly simple to, but it would be disabled by default

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[R]:

wagnerrp: why?

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wagnerrp:

may be prudent to only support it if 'delete moves to deleted group' is enabled

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wagnerrp:

i dont trust myself?

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iamlindoro:

Thanks for the stacktrace, now how about a real BT telling us what thread actually crashed-- oh, you don't know? Oh, well then just pick a thread and paste that into the ticket

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ah

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wagnerrp:

i consider that a horribly dangerous option?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you mean to have an option for it that is dsiabld by default

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wagnerrp:

yes

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[R]:

i still need to write a proper patch to allow yo uto force a remoteopen

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[R]:

can i change the signature of open() and add an optiona param that defualts to false?

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: that's due to the ubuntu bug reporting app... there's no reason ubuntu can't generate the same type of backtrace as anything else

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[R]:

is open() an "inheritied" function?

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wagnerrp:

open is a decorator

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wagnerrp:

(in trunk anyway)

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[R]:

so i should wait until 24 before i start hax0ring stuff up

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wagnerrp:

er, no... open is just a single function

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sphery:

I always wonder about why people are so shocked when MythtV dies "without even an error message"

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

it's like they think that we're good enough to predict the error states so we can code a log message for it

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sphery:

but not good enough to actually fix it

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wagnerrp:

[R]: like i said, i wouldnt bother messing much with mythfs in its current form

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wagnerrp:

its being completely scrapped and rewritten

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Beirdo:

sphery: well, look at Microsoft

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Beirdo:

"Unknown error #200"

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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[R]:

wagnerrp: well theres stuff i have my immediate needs for and stuff that would be nice... immediate stuff i'll just hack in... would be nice i guess i'll wait till 24 and the scirpt is rewritten

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sphery:

I guess that explains where they would get an idea like that

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wagnerrp:

not sure what 24 hours would get you

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[R]:

wagnerrp: like i hacked in the force remote

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wagnerrp:

yeah, personal stuff, go ahead and hack in

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[R]:

and i hacked in %_=" "

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wagnerrp:

but none of it would be applicable against trunk

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wagnerrp:

why?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: for fstab

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wagnerrp:

you cant put the syntax in quotations?

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[R]:

i tried everyhting

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wagnerrp:

or backslash the spaces?

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[R]:

putting a space screws it up

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wagnerrp:

perhaps thats why it never worked for me

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wagnerrp:

maybe i should add some stored syntaxes

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wagnerrp:

pull them from the database, and you just give it an index

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wagnerrp:

that would be much cleaner than %_

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

how is %_ not clean

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wagnerrp:

youre throwing %_s all over the place

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wagnerrp:

eew

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[R]:

all?

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wagnerrp:

:)

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[R]:

just one spot

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[R]:

mythfs#Recordings,%T/(%pm-%pd)%_%S

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wagnerrp:

or...

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wagnerrp:

i could have it pull a syntax stored against the mount point

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[R]:

seems like you'd be cluttering up the db for something simple

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Gumby:

hi all. when mythtv scans dvb-s, does it get all the TIDs from the stream or is there a list of TIDs that it tries by default to scan?

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: youre not likely to find someone up this time of day who uses satellite

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wagnerrp:

its 4–5am sunday morning for most users

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i swear... /sbin/mount.fuse used to be a shell script

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[R]:

bastards turned it into a binary

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: cool thanks. I'll ask again tomorrow if I havent found the answer by then

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Gumby:

appreciate the response

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GreyFoxx:

Man, rental car insurance is crazy

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GreyFoxx:

Costs more than the bloody car :)

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GreyFoxx:

well... I guess I don't plan to be taking the public bus around Orlando so I guess I have to pay it :/

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wagnerrp:

business or pleasure?

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Beirdo:

business or Disney? :)

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wagnerrp:

he could be going up north to universal studios... *cough* *cough*

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GreyFoxx:

Universal studios, Seaworld, maybe disney

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Beirdo:

giggety

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GreyFoxx:

basically going down from the 9th of Nov to the 17th. nothing specific is planned really

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GreyFoxx:

likely gonna rent a house and now I'm looking at the car rental places

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sphery:

You could come by the Space Coast, visit Kennedy Space Center, and see what the US Space program /used/ to be like

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GreyFoxx:

hehe that actually does sound good to me

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wagnerrp:

bah

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sphery:

actually hte KSC tour is great

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GreyFoxx:

I think my wife and motherinlaw are planning a shopping day

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GreyFoxx:

I could drop them off and my brother in law and I could head that way

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wagnerrp:

far more tonnage was launched out of Vandenberg than was ever sent out of the cape

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wagnerrp:

you mean the /manned/ US Space program?

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iamlindoro:

we sent all the stuff we wanted back from the Cape ;)

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sphery:

originally wasn't worth the money--back when you could get into KSC without getting the tour/IMAX movie/etc. Then they made it a required admission fee that included the tour/IMAX/etc--and they had reworked the tour to be worthwhile

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sphery:

just make sure you get the coupons for all the stuff you're doing

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sphery:

they have them everywhere, for everything--from Disney, to Universal, to KSC, to ...

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GreyFoxx:

yeah my motherinlaw wants to buy those I believe

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sphery:

Don't know about the ones you pay for

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sphery:

but if nothing else, get the ones at rest stops and gas stations and supermarkets and restaurants that are free

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GreyFoxx:

free is good

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sphery:

the others might save you more--you'll have to check

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sphery:

I've only ever done the FL resident stuff

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sphery:

(which is "pay for one day, get one year's admission" :)

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GreyFoxx:

anything that sames me money is good :)

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GreyFoxx:

saves

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sphery:

of course, that one day is always during the off season, and not worth staying that day--way too crowded

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sphery:

but it's a great deal if you know you're going to use it that year :)

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GreyFoxx:

What are the main car rental places in the US? Hertz, enterprise ... anything else I should check out ?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Will be interesting to see what happens with Vandy and the USAF space program... Now that we've basically cancelled all the NASA contracts with all the experienced space vendors, I wonder whether that will just drive up USAF costs or if the USAF will be forced to do something more like NASA.

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: one of my favorites is Budget

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GreyFoxx:

so far enterprise is $80 cheaper per week than hertz for a comparable car but they don't tell you insurance costs

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sphery:

because I'm cheap :)

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GreyFoxx:

spher: so are we :)

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GreyFoxx:

I want to pay very little, and not have to fear a fender bender :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the USAF has been working on space planes for 50 years

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sphery:

I won't ask if your personal insurance would cover rental car usage. Mine does, but the time I needed it, it was a lot of trouble.

[03:01:14]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, but they work on it by contracting it to the big guys

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sphery:

who now have no space business from nasa

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GreyFoxx:

spher: Actually I don't know if it does but I wplan to find out on monday

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sphery:

though the mini-shuttle they launched seems to be a "OK, we can't rely on NASA, anymore, so we'll do things our way," kind of awakening

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: well, had I had the car rental company's insurance, it would have all been handled for me. Though I saved the cost of that insurance, I paid in time.

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sphery:

(And all the things I though I could count on didn't come true--like the credit card company's insurance company's paying the deductible. The paperwork didn't come through in time from my insurance company/the car rental company, so I ended up covering the deductible. It seemed like the car rental company dragged their feet on it just to spite me.)

[03:04:01]

wagnerrp:

they had a functional system similar to the scaled composites craft since the 80s

[03:04:08]

wagnerrp:

they just never got it to work well

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wagnerrp:

hence a more mainstream solution in the recent X37/X40

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boast:

I just upgraded from 22 to 23, and im using pulse. my audio/video is playing in like half speed/slow motion. is this common?

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wagnerrp:

yes, dont use pulse

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, the X-37B is the one that surpised me

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wagnerrp:

they decided their previous program wasnt getting them what they wanted in the 90s

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wagnerrp:

so they scrapped it, and ran with the X37

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[R]:

i hate how efficient mythtv is

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: aw, you'll be about 8 days late for the Shuttle launch

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sphery:

might be able to catch the Falcon 9, though

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sphery:

the "new" space program

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: yeah I know :(

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GreyFoxx:

If I had realized I would have booked it earlier

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sphery:

on the bright side, it will save you the disappointment of being here when they delay it past your stay :)

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GreyFoxx:

I booked this trip last Jan :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** wagnerrp knows someone working on that project **

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sphery:

my parents visited here for many years before they finally caught a shuttle launch

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sphery:

all the ones scheduled when they were here got delayed

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wagnerrp:

did boast crash? or quit when i told him not to run pulse?

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Beirdo:

make check? that's not a standard part of our build last I heard

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sphery:

make check (payable to sphery)

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sphery:

and I'll get it fixed right up

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I think "make gas" is broken too

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

yeah, it's C++, not Java, so no Beans in MythTV

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Beirdo:

ahhhh, so THAT's why :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

yay! Supernatural is back!!!!

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sphery:

So, I can't tell whether it was a broadcaster mistake or on purpose, but the "One Year Ago" rehash at the beginning of the episode has no audio.

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sphery:

it /really/ works that way

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sphery:

makes it super eerie

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sphery:

captions seem to indicate it's a mistake

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I'll have to let Sera Gamble know how well it worked

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sphery:

yeah, at the end of the rehash there was a skip, then audio started

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sphery:

funny... I really think it worked better that way

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wagnerrp:

sera gamble?

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sphery:

Yeah. The show was produced by Eric Kripke for seasons 1 – 5. It looked like it was getting cancelled, so he went elsewhere. Sera Gamble--who was probably the best of the other producers--took over.

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sphery:

normally I'd be very concerned about a beloved show losing its executive producer, but I think it's in good hands

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sphery:

(Actually, in S5, I liked Sera's episodes better than anyone elses.)

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sphery:

they were actually darker and pushed the limits of the mythology farther

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Beirdo:

I don't like the sounds I'm hearing from one of these drives

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Beirdo:

Seagates aren't supposed to be clicky

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

the fact that I can hear the drives above the silent fans... is kinda neat though

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wagnerrp:

speaking of fans, anyone have a double slot video card?

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wagnerrp:

im getting pissed off at my current single slot card

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wagnerrp:

if i start up a game, it starts takeoff procedures

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wagnerrp:

my desktop is nearly silent without that thing

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sphery:

don't you have to wear headphones for the game, anyway

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sphery:

so you don't get feedback on mumble

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

sometimes

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wagnerrp:

but theyre open ear, so i hear it anyway

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sphery:

circumaural ftw!

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wagnerrp:

they are circumaural

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sphery:

and closed

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wagnerrp:

and open

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i need circumaural.. just not comfortable with ones that rest on the ear

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sphery:

yeah, they crush the ears after a while

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sphery:

I've been using earphones, lately, because they're light

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sphery:

haven't found good circumaural headphones with a mic, yet

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wagnerrp:

earphones? or earplugs/monitors?

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sphery:

earplugs, maybe

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sphery:

little tiny things that just hang in my ear

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wagnerrp:

ones that have the rubber seal that plugs up your ear?

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sphery:

no

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sphery:

just hang there

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sphery:

my house is pretty quiet when I'm gaming, though'

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but the ones that just hang there, ive always found them to be very tinny

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Beirdo:

MythNetvision requires the MythTV Python bindings (MythTV)

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Beirdo:

Disabling MythNetvision due to missing dependencies.

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Beirdo:

borked

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wagnerrp:

fixed

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wagnerrp:

update

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

:)

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** wagnerrp beats Beirdo with the 'watch the commits' stick **

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Beirdo:

I have been

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this was about an hour ago

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wagnerrp:

something i broke about 13 hours ago

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

janneg's git repo hasn't seen it yet

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Beirdo:

and my backend crashed

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Beirdo:

at least it crashes with more gusto now :)

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sphery:

that's looking on the bright side

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Beirdo:

2010-09–25 21:23:21.172 Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request

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Beirdo:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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Beirdo:

boom

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Beirdo:

and there goes the commflag too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

sorry, filldb

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sphery:

yeah, was going to say that sounds like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7714

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

it is :)

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Beirdo:

you can update that to say Trunk as version, I think

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Beirdo:

actually, I will :)

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Beirdo:

I think I will modify my jobqueue settings

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Beirdo:

no need to run as Low CPU

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Beirdo:

High CPU it is

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ndrwc:

there's a thread in the mailing list archive about renaming a recorded program but it's from 2004; is updating all of those fields strictly necessary now?

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wagnerrp:

dont change the name of a recorded program

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BLZbubba:

hmm when i hit pause it takes 10 seconds to happen; though seeking is instant. weird

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ndrwc:

err, ok... what if I want to?

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wagnerrp:

use a softlink instead

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ndrwc:

um...

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ndrwc:

I'm talking about the title of the program, not the filename...

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wagnerrp:

oh, then just change the recorded.title field

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ndrwc:

ok

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ndrwc:

the 2004 thread talked about resetting the starttime field but there doesn't seem to be a trigger on that anymore, only the lastupdated

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wagnerrp:

not sure why you would want to touch the starttime field to change the name

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ndrwc:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/74420 <- talks about updating the starttime field

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ndrwc:

I assume that back in 2004 there was a trigger on the starttime field on update

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ndrwc:

anyway, yes, changing the title field works :)

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: whats with the 'starttime=starttime' bit in the ML link above?

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sphery:

can't tell ndrwc to use the frontend's UI to change the title/subtitle

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elmargol:

Is there an easy way to sort my channels? I have scanned my two satellites and have thousands of channels now...

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elmargol:

Or should I edit a channels.conf and import only channels I care about?

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** Beirdo loses it **

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Beirdo:

why is it that I get to take one step forward and two back?

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Beirdo:

STOP CRASHING!

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[R]:

Beirdo: cuz you are paula abdul?

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[R]:

oh... thats two steps forward

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Beirdo:

and one step back

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and she's a lot better looking... especially back in the day

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[R]:

haha

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Gibby:

farking Directv

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Gibby:

For channel listings from SD is there away to remove duplicate channel numbers?

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[R]:

Gibby: huh?

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Gibby:

[R]: For like DirectTV listing from SchedulesDirect I have alot of duplicates for the HD channels

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[R]:

so remive them frtom the lineup

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Gibby:

yes i know that, but is there away to do it besides 1 by 1

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[R]:

i think there is a way for mythfilldatabase to remove them from the sd lineup

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Gibby:

hmm ok, off to investigate

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[R]:

its nto taht hard to go click click click on the website though...

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Gibby:

just trying to minize the clicking

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[R]:

so remove all

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[R]:

and add what you want

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Gibby:

ugh that is alot more i think

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elmargol:

I try to import a channels.conf and get "Failed to parse '%1'" why is that?

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[R]:

last i heard channels.conf support was pretty iffy

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elmargol:

well scanning does not work at all for me :(

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elmargol:

I scanned everything just fine using w_scan -fs -sS19E2

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[R]:

i know they did some work on the scanning in trunk

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elmargol:

do you know that frequency I have to type in for the full scan?

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[R]:

?

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elmargol:

Full Scan tuned

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Beirdo:

i... hate... crashy... code...

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Beirdo:

now how to fix it? :)

[07:38:24]

Beirdo:

now I've seen two distinct crashes

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Beirdo:

in the past 2 hrs

[08:04:29]

elmargol:

Wow I'm impressed how stupid mythtv is.

[08:04:50]

elmargol:

My device number has changed and myth tries to use y diseq on a dvb-t device now

[08:04:52]

elmargol:

WTF

[08:05:12]

Beirdo:

how is that mythtv being stupid?

[08:05:30]

Beirdo:

"My device number has changed..."

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Beirdo:

that's the core of the problem

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elmargol:

How about saving settings based on the device type/name and not the number?

[08:05:59]

Beirdo:

fix your setup of udev

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elmargol:

yeah thats what I'm going to do now.. still i think myth could detect this

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[R]:

elmargol: and if you have 2 of the same?

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Beirdo:

it's really not hard to make a symlink rule that tracks the device based on whatever you tell it

[08:07:22]

mzb:

since an update a month or two ago (fairly lazy following of trunk) I've been having issues watching shows while they're being recorded

[08:07:23]

Beirdo:

that's what udev is for, we are not likely to be sucking udev's functionality into the application

[08:07:51]

mzb:

the longer the recording, the worse it *appears* to be

[08:08:10]

mzb:

ie: playback freezes, sometimes stops, and sometimes locks

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[R]:

mzb: "it"?

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[R]:

mzb: what do the logs say

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mzb:

sorry, haven't been in a position to see the logs at the time ... just looking at it now

[08:08:57]

mzb:

I was wondering if perhaps the ringbuffer size was wrong/bad?

[08:09:31]

mzb:

I have noticed huge spikes in drive activity when the problem occurs

[08:10:02]

mzb:

the frontend doesn't log (atm), and I've just set the backend to 'important'

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mzb:

my current ringbuffer is 14100

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Beirdo:

not much we can diagnose with no substantial information

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mzb:

I realise that, I do apologise

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justinh:

elmargol: mythtv devs have been trying to push a more sane (and more permanent) naming scheme for tuner hardware for a while now. Until something is done with that there isn't much myth can do about it

[08:11:29]

mzb:

it usually happens when either I'm not near a console, or I'm not there at all

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mzb:

is the default ringbuffer still 9400?

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mzb:

backend+frontend are playing SD on X2 4400+ with 2GB RAM and 2x software raid5 arrays

[08:14:56]

mzb:

is there any reason for me to change the ringbuffer?

[08:15:26]

mzb:

ie: should I change it to default, or just leave it pending logs?

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mzb:

I will have a method of checking logs (live) in a few weeks

[08:17:55]

Beirdo:

no idea

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Beirdo:

I've never tweaked mine

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mzb:

ok, can you tell me if 9400 is the default?

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Beirdo:

I believe it is

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mzb:

k, thanks

[08:18:58]

Beirdo:

I seem to remember seeing that earlier today while I was in tweaking some other settings for my replacement backend box

[08:19:01]

Beirdo:

no prob

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justinh:

is that the setting which is called 'HD ringbuffer size' ?

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mzb:

yes

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mzb:

I've just disabled "start commflag with recording" ... see how that goes for a while

[08:20:36]

justinh:

I've never changed mine (0.23) & I've got 4700 here

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mzb:

hmm

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justinh:

I remember reading the help text for that & dismissing it, figuring it was just for HD

[08:22:58]

mzb:

I'll also enable "delete files slowly" (figure it can't hurt)

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justinh:

that was only really an issue with ext3 IIRC

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

anything I can do to reduce stress

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justinh:

or any other filesystem which took minutes to delete a multi GB file ;-)

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

sure

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mzb:

I'll try it anyway

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mzb:

surely it won't get worse ;)

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Beirdo:

hmmm, crashed right at 1am

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justinh:

bleh. stupid guy on the blog posting of the dvb-t2 tuner announcement still thinks it only supports 720p

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Beirdo:

hmmm?

[09:02:11]

justinh:

http://www.wegotserved.com/2010/09/04/ifa-201 . . . ent100919732

[09:02:52]

justinh:

not gonna argue the toss any further. it'd be like talking to a brick wall. if they can't absorb a fact you tell them once... ;-)

[09:03:22]

Beirdo:

umm

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Beirdo:

the blog says it's a German company?

[09:03:49]

Beirdo:

funny, I didn't know Long Island, NY was part of Germany

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Beirdo:

I mean Hitler woulda been really overjoyed if it was... but...

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justinh:

heh

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Beirdo:

bedtime for me. enough napping

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, read the last post in that thread. starttime used to be a timestamp, so you had to explicitly set it each time you touched the table or you'd lose the original starttime.

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paul-h:

Great news that someone is finally bringing out a dvb-t2 tuner. I've been waiting patiently for almost a year now for one of those :)

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paul-h:

Wonder how long it will be before it is supported in Linux?

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elmargol:

How do I add moves to my mythtv?

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elmargol:

I have installed the mythmovie pluging

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elmargol:

ok missed the video plugin

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justinh:

paul-h: Hauppauge.. but somebody said it'll only support 720P ;-)

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xcrracer_:

anyone have a copy of 'mythbuntu-repos.deb'. site appears to be down

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gizmobay:

is dual channel memory a big performance increase over regular memory?

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gregl:

xcrracer_, If you just want the iso try here...http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/lucid/release/

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: depends on the application

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wagnerrp:

but why would you want to not do dual channel?

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wagnerrp:

basically, any modern dual core, dual channel is preferred

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wagnerrp:

any quad core, dual channel is a necessity

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wagnerrp:

without it, the processor is worthless as its always going to be starved for memory access

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elmargol:

I'm wondering what is actually seteting the wakeup time? mythwelcome? or mythbackend?

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elmargol:

setting

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wagnerrp:

mythshutdown

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elmargol:

yes I know that. I mean what is calling mythshutdown? mythwelcome or mythbackend?

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wagnerrp:

presumably mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

as i understand it, the only purpose of mythwelcome is to drop out of the frontend, to allow the backend to shutdown on its own

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wagnerrp:

the backend will not shut down so long as there are any clients connected to it

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elmargol:

I must say the documentation is somehow a quick draft at best

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elmargol:

mythshutdown --setwakeup $TIME should be the command?

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elmargol:

Do I have to use sudo for this command?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used it

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elmargol:

wakeup is the hardest thing to debug if you ask me :/

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elmargol:

you have to wait n minutes to see if it fails. and you have to reboot every time :(

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justinh:

only til it works though

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justinh:

doing it to save money is a bit of a false economy IMHO

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wagnerrp:

so leave your backend on all the time?

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wagnerrp:

done properly, youre looking at maybe a few bucks a month

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wagnerrp:

that means using CPU scaling and disk spindown

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justinh:

having a more efficiently powered system might save you more money in terms of electrickery

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justinh:

efficient PSU, disk spindown, CPU scaling etc... ;-)

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sphery:

shutting down always uses less power than running

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justinh:

since most cheapo stock PSUs pull 5W+ from the plug in standby

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sphery:

but, yeah, if you idle at 10W, who cares

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justinh:

and then you're always gonna want to use the server when you least expect it anyway.. waiting for things to boot is a PITA

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sphery:

(and remember that idle at 10W does not mean an atom system... you can actually make a real system idle at 10W)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: be honest, thats tough unless youre using laptop hardware

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justinh:

atom would be ok, if you like juddery access when the CPU is pegged ;-)

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wagnerrp:

but ~25W is certainly do-able

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sphery:

does Mac Mini use laptop hardware?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

ah

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sphery:

ok, so 10–25W

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wagnerrp:

thats why its so much more expensive than comparably spec'd systems

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sphery:

I should really kill-a-watt my systems without boinc running and with freq scaling enabled

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wagnerrp:

its effectively a nice laptop with no screen or battery

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they make HDA sound cards?

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elmargol:

mythshutdown --setwakeup 2010-26–09T20:40:00 should work?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm meaning one that follows the HDA spec... Azalia card. It's actually a Realtek, IIRC

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sphery:

Realtek ALC883

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wagnerrp:

i mean... its actually a card? youre not talking about something built into you board?

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sphery:

oh, it's in the board

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sphery:

integrated

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sphery:

didn't think that would be important--but it may be

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justinh:

heh loads of tweets about mythtvosd today. what a shame

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sphery:

justinh: about its not being supported?

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justinh:

sphery: about it not being replaced when people are suddenly getting all pumped about it

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wagnerrp:

i like the comment about mythtv costing nothing

[16:52:19]

wagnerrp:

mythnotify ran off broadcast, not multicast?

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justinh:

think so

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justinh:

wth is a dent anyway?

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wagnerrp:

?

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wagnerrp:

i dont see 'loads of tweets', i see one guy trying to use it

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justinh:

wagnerrp: search results tend to vary

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justinh:

ahhh ident.ca == dent

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justinh:

"like twitter but using open tools & protocols". MEH.

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justinh:

"all notices will be published under a CC license by default"? Oh man.. people take things too far

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wagnerrp:

why not just public domain everything

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justinh:

when the biggest advocate of OSS eats his own toe cheese...

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wagnerrp:

its not like theres anything on twitter of value

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justinh:

depends. I was totally anti twitter til I tried it, but it definitely has its uses

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justinh:

it's about as useful as IRC

[17:01:04]

justinh:

if not more so

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wagnerrp:

but IRC, you can have an intelligent conversation

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wagnerrp:

best you can have on twitter would be like two people yelling at each other, standing on their own soap box at opposite sides of a square

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justinh:

like I said before it depends

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Beirdo:

OK, this is probably asking for trouble

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justinh:

if you happen to make a negative comment & it ends up being spotted by somebody vehemently opposed to your point of view.. oh boy

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justinh:

but IRC is kinda like that too

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Beirdo:

just set MALLOC_CHECK_=3 in my environment

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Beirdo:

if this doesn't find it, next is valgrind

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Beirdo:

something's crapping my backend in an odd way, looks like heap corruption

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Beirdo:

also did a make distclean and rebuilt

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ComradeHaz`:

Hi all. I have problems with fast forwarding sometimes. Not done much troublshooting, I seem to recall this being a common issue but forget the fix. Anyone familliar with this issue?

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sphery:

define "problems"

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wagnerrp:

oh god oh god were all going to die

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sphery:

I miss firefly

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justinh:

in 2013 apparently. Big solar flare

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m4nLc-trRM

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elmargol:

If I tune a faulty channel i get "Error opening jump program file" :( and I can't change to a working channel :(

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sphery:

elmargol: you'll have to use mythtv-setup to change the starting channel

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sphery:

it's fixed in trunk/will be fixed in 0.24

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elmargol:

sphery, the starting channel should work

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sphery:

elmargol: it gets changed on every tune on 0.23

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elmargol:

:/

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sphery:

on trunk, it's changed on every /successful/ tune

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elmargol:

you are joking?

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elmargol:

isn't that something that should be fixed in a point release?

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elmargol:

sound very important to me :/

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sphery:

too invasive

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Beirdo:

*** glibc detected *** /opt/mythtv/upnp-8801/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x00000000022792ff ***

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sphery:

new feature

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ComradeHaz`:

Sorry, sphery, frontend crashes out.

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Beirdo:

*** glibc detected *** /opt/mythtv/upnp-8801/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x00000000022792ff ***

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Beirdo:

dfvdsg

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Beirdo:

gsh

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ComradeHaz`:

Also, off for dinner :)

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Beirdo:

sorry. I was in scrollback

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Beirdo:

stupid irssi

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sphery:

ComradeHaz`: don't know of any fixes for that'

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elmargol:

Well it is somehow very hard do delete faulty channels if you have to kill the backend and start mythtv-setup every time you try to tune a channel

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ComradeHaz`:

Hmm, I asked about it a while back (the box has been out of actiuon for a while) and somebody suggested a fix. Sadly I cannot remember who or when and certainly cannot find it in my logs

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justinh:

the expected use case isn't that people have broken channels

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elmargol:

justinh, you expect users to manually insert every channel?

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justinh:

no, but it's assumed that channels won't be broken

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justinh:

a pretty fair assumption IMHO

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elmargol:

justinh, no it is not if you are scanning a satellite

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justinh:

should be

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elmargol:

justinh, in a perfect world sure

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justinh:

any transport advertised in the broadcast tables should be assumed to be tuneable at least

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justinh:

myth only has the information broadcast to go from

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justinh:

how would *it* know if a channel works or not if the provider is doing something whacked out?

[18:01:54]

elmargol:

how hard can It be to just jump to the next channel on the list if the channel is broken?

[18:02:10]

justinh:

elmargol: find out for yourself. patch away

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BLZbubba:

does "hdmi" audio work over a DVI port too?

[18:02:31]

BLZbubba:

please say yes to save me $5 on a new cable :)

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justinh:

BLZbubba: I think it'd depend very much on the source being able to transmit audio over it

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wagnerrp:

if its actually an HDMI port, in DVI shape

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wagnerrp:

DVI does not support audio

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wagnerrp:

so if its a DVI port and TMDS transmitter, no audio

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justinh:

thought the signalling was all the same, DVI-D and HDMI

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wagnerrp:

if its an HDMI port and transmitter wired up to a DVI port, youre in luck

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BLZbubba:

it is a geforce gt210 with 1 hdmi and 1 dvi port

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wagnerrp:

so youve got HDMI, what do you need audio for?

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BLZbubba:

audio is working great with hdmi

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wagnerrp:

erm... what do you need the second for

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BLZbubba:

because i stole the cable from another device

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justinh:

just try it then. costs you nothing

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BLZbubba:

and i have a dvi -> hdmi cable

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justinh:

if it works, you save $5

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wagnerrp:

if not, its only $5

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justinh:

fwiw you could've tried it in the time you've spent asking in here :-P

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BLZbubba:

but that would have required me to put down my beer & stand up :P

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BLZbubba:

i'll let you know if it works

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BLZbubba:

what i really need to do is figure out why mythweb fails so hard out of the box on mythbuntu, it didn't have a $tmpl set and gives errors about PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function query_col()

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sphery:

elmargol: using the frontend channel editor would allow you to attempt to tune, fail, then mark invisible/delete the channel

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sphery:

that said, it amy not work well in 0.23-fixes

[18:07:36]

sphery:

and may not, too

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elmargol:

sphery, there is a frontend channel editor?

[18:08:08]

sphery:

yep

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elmargol:

is that a plugin?

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justinh:

press E while watching live tv

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sphery:

E in livetv

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justinh:

no, not a plugin

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sphery:

again, it may not work well in 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

not well includes scenarios such as locking the frontend the second time you enter the editor or on channel change

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sphery:

or not coming up

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sphery:

or stuff like that

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justinh:

another testament to how well loved livetv is :)

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

and setup

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sphery:

i.e. it's only painful once

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sphery:

(setup is--Live TV is always and always has been painful)

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sphery:

even before MythTV

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elmargol:

sphery, day the frontend channel editor change the channels on the backend?

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sphery:

elmargol: yes, that's the only place they're defined

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elmargol:

sphery, is there a channel list? or just the guide?

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sphery:

there's information about the channels. It's needed to tune them.

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mas814:

anyone know anything with the cable card readers and myth? I've been looking to set up myth and saw HDHomerun Prime. I havent found a answer if they are going to support it in linux or no

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sphery:

mas814: MythTV won't have support until at least 0.24, possibly 0.25

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sphery:

I can't remember if 0.24 is going to have support for HDHR Prime. It may, but it won't have support for the other brands of CableCARD compatible devices

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wagnerrp:

0.24 supports the HDHR Prime

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wagnerrp:

and will be available by the time such product is available for purchase

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mas814:

Sphery: Thanks! I wasn't expecting anything right away. HDHR Prime is not even out yet

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iamlindoro:

*where support = only channels marked copy freely

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sphery:

I thought jafa was still making changes to support it

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iamlindoro:

and != all channels

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sphery:

things with tuning and proper storage of channel data

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wagnerrp:

it works, but it needs some cleanup

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

ok

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sphery:

that's why I wasn't sure if it was in yet or not

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wagnerrp:

mas814: like iamlindoro said, its not a golden ticket... it will only do the same channels you would expect over firewire

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sphery:

golden ticket = Hauppauge HD-PVR

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sphery:

(or Hauppauge PVR-150)

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sphery:

but the PVR-150 is a standard-definition ticket :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not getting cablecard support, as there is no such standard available in linux

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wagnerrp:

it will only be getting specific support for at current two devices

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR prime and one of the Ceton tuners

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mas814:

ah so it would only offer the same as set top boxes anyways

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sphery:

and, likely, eventually the Hauppauge tuner

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sphery:

http://www.silicondust.com/company/news/

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sphery:

(where, in spite of how that PR reads, "This introduction adds native support for premium cable TV to the Hauppauge line of WinTV tuners." it means that Hauppauge is adding one tuner to their line of WinTV tuners, not that this will magically make all their tuners CableCard compatible.

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mas814:

what about watching live tv? That would be still a no? I get there's 3 types of privileges copy freely, copy once, and none at all

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wagnerrp:

livetv is nothing more than a recording with some glue

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sphery:

heh, sticky recordings

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mas814:

So really i dont know what i would get when i plug one in since it seems to differ from region to region as to what they allow to copy

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wagnerrp:

yep

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wagnerrp:

but since you have digital cable, and a cable box

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wagnerrp:

you can try out firewire ahead of time to test it

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sphery:

or just go with HD-PVR :)

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mas814:

one sec let me look that one up i only read briefly about it

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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jpabq:

Beirdo, lately I have had my external channel changer failed to even get invoked. myth_system_fork says it is launching it, but I have verified that the script itself is never even starting. Does this (maybe) have anything to do with the VERBOSE locking you have been talking about?

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mas814:

Maybe... I am getting a PC to load up Myth on tomorrow. I've been only playing with it on VMware. So i have plenty of time to play

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Beirdo:

yes, quite possibly

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Beirdo:

it's probably caught in the code between the fork and execl

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mas814:

Another question would be if anyone played with the ps3 controller to get it to work in linux? It looks like some people have done it, and I plan to try to get the blue tooth to work. I know its a bit off topic, but would be awesome with MythGame

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jpabq:

Beirdo, okay. Looking at the code, that is the only thing that made any sense.

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lucidblue:

howdy all, I my have a quick question, I just bought a $40 "Vista MCE Remote" in hopes that I'll be able to use it with lirc... it keeps loading an HID driver and kind of acts as a keyboard I guess... most things work out of the box that way, but a lot of buttons don't... is there a way to force the system to use the lirc_mceusb driver? or a better idea using some sort of 'keyboard layout editor' or something for that device?

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wagnerrp:

if its an HID receiver, the lirc_mceusb driver will not work

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wagnerrp:

better to return it and buy the $25 version that will work with lirc

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: that's what I was wondering... should I just take it back then I guess?.. haha okay, thanks... it seemed like this was the only one they had there... I'll keep looking

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lucidblue:

my pvr-350 works great with lirc, I'm trying to add a frontend onto the system...

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lucidblue:

there's an ir on the laptop I want to use, is that likely just for data? I have to get a new drive for the system, so I haven't tried messing with that yet

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wagnerrp:

yes, IrDA is rarely usable for consumer IR

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: figured, thanks... that's why I wasn't even going that route in the first place... is there a general 'this is the remote/receiver combo that everyone always gets'?

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lucidblue:

I'd just always rather be able to go pick it up, but if I had to get one online I have to...

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lucidblue:

and... while I'm here... this might be distro specific, not sure, but I have my system to auto-log me in to a mythfrontend (my main system)... and even though I have my DPMS set to false in xorg.conf, my screen still blacks if I'm not watching anything or doing anything with it.... Am I missing a setting? I think I saw something in the output where I could see mythfrontend turning on and off a screen saver...

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wagnerrp:

what window manager are you using?

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lucidblue:

I'm not sure, I was going to use something light since I was using gnome and I figured it was a bit bloated for that, but I had a myth selection in the gdm for sessions

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wagnerrp:

gnome runs its own screen saver

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wagnerrp:

and doesnt listen to the standard routines for suspending xscreensaver

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lucidblue:

any thoughts on how I could figure out what WM it's using? I'm pretty sure it's not gnome

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wagnerrp:

stop using GDM and avoid the whole issue?

[19:08:15]

lucidblue:

when I go through and exit mythfrontend it will put me back to the login screen

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login#inittab

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: what would I use, just no login manager? I don't care how I do it really, this just used to be my desktop machine too so it was easier... I think you just answered my question, thanks! :-)

[19:09:25]

wagnerrp:

followed by http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login#.bash_profile

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lucidblue:

cool, thanks for the help, I'll read up and change that stuff, I'm guessing it should fix the issue...

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wagnerrp:

if you do it that way, mythfrontend will be the only purpose for that machine

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wagnerrp:

if the frontend terminates for whatever reason, your terminal manager will automatically start it back up

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wagnerrp:

if you get into some sort of crash loop

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wagnerrp:

it will eventually hit a respawn limit, and drop you to a normal terminal login

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: is this going to screw things up if I'm also using that via ssh too though? same user... maybe I'll need to change that around and make a different user run myth I guess..?

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wagnerrp:

the bash_profile listed on that page only starts X if it is on virtual terminal 7, the one you defined for it to auto-login on in inittab

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lucidblue:

wagnerrp: awesome! Thanks for the help!

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wagnerrp:

that inittab stuff is how gentoo sets itself up by default

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mnjay:

Is there a key or combination that can be used to blank the screen in MythTV?

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Criggie:

mnjay: yup

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Criggie:

its the power button on the monitor or TV or projector

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mnjay:

The point is to blank the screen when the kids get out of bed while were watching tv

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Criggie:

:)

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mnjay:

Yes, I know, it's just slow to get back on

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mnjay:

my old CRT was faster than our new DFP

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Hoxzer:

use xset mnjay

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Criggie:

WTF is a DFP ?

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mnjay:

Digital Flat Panel

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Gibby_away:

rofl

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Criggie:

ahhh

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justinh:

wth does wtf stand for?

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wagnerrp:

dame for pay

[19:37:06]

wagnerrp:

the oldest profession

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Criggie:

wagnerrp: heh nice

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tripola:

what charset is really used in 0.23? It seemed to be utf-8 in 0.21, but after upgrade it switched to latin1 and all old entries looks like utf-8 displayed in latin1.

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mnjay:

I'll try xset after the game is over

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wagnerrp:

0.23 is utf-8

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wagnerrp:

0.21 was latin-1

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Perhaps another instance of the fix you needed to make last night? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1949128

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tripola:

wagnerrp: aha. So if the frontend looks like it's using latin1 it is wrong then. :-) Does the frontend look for LC_xxxx or where do I configure the charset?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i only use it once, and its imported in that module

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wagnerrp:

are you sure youve updated the bindings past the fix?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, went and did a manual make install in the python bindings dir... can rey again

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iamlindoro:

er try

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wagnerrp:

manual being 'python setup.py install'?

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iamlindoro:

no, being make isntall

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wagnerrp:

might be some issue with the makefile

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wagnerrp:

installing in the wrong place

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iamlindoro:

seems possibly so, python setup.py install seems to have worked

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp/iamlindoro: any hints as to how to get the 2250 working (in analog mode) in myth?

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Beirdo:

I have it set as ivtv (as I was instructed to do), but the code rejects it in the code that does MPEG recording saying it's not ivtv, hdpvr or pvrusb or something like that

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i wrote the unlink() handler... works great, except it takes like a good 10 seconds or so for it to delete... and my embedded device... i can delete from the command line, but from its gui i get an error... blah

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Beirdo:

either of you tried this, or is this a case of tweaking that code to allow the analog recording to work? It works fine in mplayer, BTW

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[R]:

Beirdo: playing /dev/video directly works in mplayer?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Criggie:

sometimes it really pays to sit down and have a troll through one app

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Criggie:

finding all sorts of misconfigured shit in cacti

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justinh:

oi. language please

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Beirdo:

!trout Criggie

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** MythLogBot slaps Criggie with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: dont have such a card, im just repeating things ive overheard in here

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Criggie:

sorrt cacti brings out all of that in me

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Criggie:

:)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: K :)

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[R]:

i want a learning remote that lights up... how hard is that? ffs... blah

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justinh:

ha ha ha ha harmoneeeeee

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wagnerrp:

[R]: it should take exactly no more than 10 seconds, as that is the default timeout

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wagnerrp:

it should return in a fraction of a second

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[R]:

it returns

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[R]:

its myth thats taking forever

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justinh:

the logitech software sucks though. absolutely

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wagnerrp:

oh, cant help you there

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[R]:

i see the same behavior when i delete from the frontend

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wagnerrp:

i just tell the backend to delete, its up to it from there

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[R]:

i need to figure out why it takes so long to delete stuff, its bugged me forever

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[R]:

i dont have slow delet turned on

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justinh:

not ext3 perchance?

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

xfs

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justinh:

my last backend box was getting dreadfully slow at doing everything. turned out / was getting borked

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wagnerrp:

the backend will not delete until its certain nothing is using the file

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justinh:

and / was where mysql lived

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wagnerrp:

if you have the file selected in windows

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wagnerrp:

windows may have opened it to produce a preview video

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[R]:

yeah, no windows boxen

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

I may have a better idea what's causing my crashes

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Beirdo:

hmm, maybe not

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Beirdo:

how the heck am I supposed to be able to see the underlying string for a QString in gdb in a coredump?

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[R]:

GRRRR

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[R]:

back to 0 remotes

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[R]:

i had the perfect one picked out, but the reviews were bad

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wagnerrp:

i have a learning remote that lights up

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[R]:

what is it?

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wagnerrp:

harmony

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[R]:

yeha, paying $500 isn't my goal

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[R]:

plus i dont need anytinhg super fancy, its just for my bedroom

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wagnerrp:

or $70

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[R]:

still too much

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[R]:

i could get a new kamelon for like 30 or 40

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wagnerrp:

get a dumb remote that lights up, and an IR blaster?

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wagnerrp:

use LIRC to do the learning for you

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[R]:

i have no computer in there

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[R]:

well i do, but its an embeded device, doubt i couldl get lirc working

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wagnerrp:

then how will you ever run mythtv??!!?!??!!?!?!?!!!???!?!???!!??!?!??!?!???!??!?!

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wagnerrp:

?!?!??!?!?!???!?!?!

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[R]:

rofl

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wagnerrp:

:)

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[R]:

i found a bug... if i have "show guide at startup" then the preview isn't scaled

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[R]:

is this known?

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sid3windr:

anyone happen to know how you can start mythtv for windows on a different monitor?

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Azelphur:

sid3windr: you could cheat and use Autohotkey to move it

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sid3windr:

I wonder if that works if it's running in fullscreen mode

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sid3windr:

the monitors have different resolutions too ;/

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sid3windr:

you can run with --geometry

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sid3windr:

but the monitor I want it on is on the left from my primary

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sid3windr:

so I would need negative x value and it resets it to 0 then :[

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tzanger:

good afternoon; I've been playing with the uPnP part of myth.. it is working VERY well, but the tv is seeing anything and everything that myth has EVER recorded, even if it's no longer there. Is there something I should be running to clear out this old stuff from the database?

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Criggie:

tzanger if you did that, then myth would forget what its seen before

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Criggie:

and start rerecording things which were watched already

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Criggie:

so

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Criggie:

best thing to do is look if you can see the "current recordings" rather than "all recordings"

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Criggie:

tzanger: no idea how to do that sorry.

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Wicked:

hmm. i have not tried to watch livetv in a couple months...but mythtv has been fine and recorded all my shows...but today i just went to try and watch livetv...and mythtv keeps failing to

[21:15:27]

Wicked:

i get the "video frame buffering failed too many times" error

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Wicked:

the backend is running latest svn on fedora12 64bit...and im using a remote frontend on archlinux

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[R]:

Wicked: what kind of tuner do you have?

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Wicked:

pvr-150

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Wicked:

and im using the blaster on that....i just read a forum post from the ubuntu forum and someone mentioned turning on quick tune to always

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[R]:

what odes the logs say

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Wicked:

maybe since the pvr-150 blaster is not the best...maybe thats making it so mythtv cannot get a lock

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Wicked:

back or frontend?

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[R]:

both

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[R]:

the blasters isn't going to effect channel lock

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[R]:

its just going to make the channel change fail

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Wicked:

backend log: http://pastebin.com/cwbrnmyR

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[R]:

well your blaster is failing

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Wicked:

frontend: http://pastebin.com/rgpzvypj

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Wicked:

but it really isnt. i can watch the channel change on the stb

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[R]:

#

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[R]:

2010-09–26 17:12:21.007 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Warning: Stream type 'MPEG-2 TS'

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[R]:

#

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[R]:

is not supported by ivtv driver, using 'MPEG-2 PS' instead.

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[R]:

well then your channel change script is fscked

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Wicked:

its always output that error..the ir command failed

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Wicked:

it works fine

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Wicked:

but outputs that error

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[R]:

you should fix your errors

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[R]:

instead of ignoring them

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Wicked:

ive tested every single button and it sends the ir codes fine and stb responds and knows what every single means and does what it is supposed to

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Wicked:

well

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Wicked:

its not that big a issue since everything works

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Wicked:

my understanding was mythtv auto corrected the MPEG-2 TS/PS issue

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tzanger:

Criggie: hmm okay so it's a matter of the upnp server returning everything it's recorded instead of what's currently on the system

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tzanger:

Criggie: perfect, thank you

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Wicked:

so livetv is fubar

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Wicked:

i can start to record a tv show..then goto the media library and watch the in progess recording with no issues...but no matter what i try...going to watch tv..to watch livetv does NOT work

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[R]:

wow

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[R]:

ION plays real HD movies

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[R]:

actually... maybe its not HD

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Beirdo:

OK, trying running the backend under valgrind

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Beirdo:

2010-09–26 15:45:45.397 Scheduled 1586 items in 59.4 = 0.17 match + 59.24 place

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Beirdo:

haha

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[R]:

is that 60 seconds?

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Beirdo:

no, it's 59.24 seconds

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[R]:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of [R]... **

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Beirdo:

nobody ever accused valgrind of being particularly fast

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Beirdo:

surprised I can actually successfully use this

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

Sacred Fart

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Beirdo:

oh that's classic

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Beirdo:

now FAIL, you pain in the butt!

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Beirdo:

seing plenty of "Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialized values"

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[R]:

wagnerrp: how are those harmonys?

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Beirdo:

friggin heisenbugs

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[R]:

Beirdo: huh?

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Beirdo:

huh what?

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_software_bug

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Beirdo:

go read up on heisenbugs :P

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[R]:

oh... tahts what you are taling about

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what do you mean?

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[R]:

i dunno, maybe i should get a new remote form y living room

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[R]:

that way i can justify spending extra money

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wagnerrp:

theyre great once you program them

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[R]:

then i can put the one from my living room into my bedroom

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wagnerrp:

but actually programming them is a PITA

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[R]:

the lcd screen seems kinda stupid

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wagnerrp:

its to A. let you name the individual devices

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wagnerrp:

and B. have extra buttons and macros that dont map to any sensible physical button

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[R]:

they just seem so expensive

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i definately wouldnt buy one retail

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wagnerrp:

but you can frequently find them on sale

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[R]:

what do you have?

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wagnerrp:

pair of 880s

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[R]:

that is hella expensive

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wagnerrp:

yep, $70

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[R]:

hrm, amazon said like 130

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wagnerrp:

like i said, dont by retail, wait until theyre on sale

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wagnerrp:

they were $70 on amazon

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[R]:

my gf says i should get the 1100

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wagnerrp:

that one of the rectangular touch screens?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you /really/ need to get that embedded database going

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[R]:

its like a huge screen

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[R]:

and a few buttons

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i can't seem to find any manuals for the harmonies online... is there a magic place for them?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: heh, not so sure about that, but meh :)

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wagnerrp:

[R]: there is no manual, there is only the software

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Beirdo:

why won't the backend die while I'm expecting it to?!

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[R]:

Beirdo: because you are expecting it

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[R]:

wagnerrp: does it work with wine?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it would at least solve all the 'mythtv is broken on the latest update, its reporting my database crashed'

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wagnerrp:

[R]: there is some 'convergence' or something like that

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wagnerrp:

the software actually doesnt run on your system

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: potentially... as long as we deal with the eventuality

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wagnerrp:

its a web application, that can be run through any browser

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[R]:

oh

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wagnerrp:

which is why i say programming it is a PITA

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wagnerrp:

the application is all wizard based, and fairly slow to respond

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wagnerrp:

the only thing the installable part is for is to dump a configuration onto the device over USB

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