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| [00:50:30] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [01:13:52] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Cannot reproduce #8990 here... maybe someone's still using the caching engine or something? |
| [01:14:55] | gpmidi_wrk: | Hey, I'm having trouble getting live tv to work with my HD-PVR. I've followed the wiki instructions on it and haven't had any luck. Here are the logs from the backend: http://pastebin.com/QndPHNsT |
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| [01:21:19] | wagnerrp: | those have got to be the slowest RPGs ive ever seen |
| [01:21:30] | wagnerrp: | at that speed, they shouldnt even stay in the air |
| [01:21:46] | Beirdo: | why are role-playing games IN the air? :) |
| [01:22:02] | ** Beirdo ducks and runs ** | |
| [01:22:22] | wagnerrp: | and that was definitely a wilhelm |
| [01:22:25] | Gibby: | how do you actions? |
| [01:22:45] | wagnerrp: | uh... huh... |
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| [01:23:26] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [01:23:48] | Beirdo: | "One or more drives containing Serial ATA RAID configurations have been found." |
| [01:24:06] | Beirdo: | so the kernel can recognize the RAID format used by aacraid?! |
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| [01:24:18] | gpmidi_wrk: | that would be pretty neat if it could |
| [01:24:34] | gpmidi_wrk: | I usually use software raid so I don't have to deal with "what if my controler dies" issues |
| [01:24:35] | Beirdo: | seemed to detect it, but I'm not going to run it as a raidset |
| [01:24:46] | gpmidi_wrk: | and it's faster if you don't mind the CPU overhead |
| [01:26:31] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [01:26:48] | Beirdo: | these are not in the order I wanted |
| [01:26:58] | gpmidi_wrk: | order matters? |
| [01:27:03] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [01:27:07] | Beirdo: | of course it does |
| [01:27:21] | Beirdo: | first two drives are going to be mirrored system disks |
| [01:27:31] | Beirdo: | the next 4 (2 for now) will be data |
| [01:27:41] | gpmidi_wrk: | every raid card I've ever worked with, both hardware and software types, have known enough to handle reordering for you |
| [01:27:44] | wagnerrp: | are they different sizes? |
| [01:27:49] | Beirdo: | I'm not doing RAID |
| [01:27:55] | gpmidi_wrk: | oh ok |
| [01:28:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, there's one 320G, the rest are 300G |
| [01:28:02] | gpmidi_wrk: | ignore me then ;) |
| [01:28:16] | wagnerrp: | small'uns |
| [01:28:21] | Beirdo: | I wanted the system disks to be mirrored 300G |
| [01:28:29] | gpmidi_wrk: | Beirdo: you using Debian or RH based? |
| [01:28:31] | Beirdo: | and then I'll be swapping the others out later |
| [01:28:45] | wagnerrp: | are those the only two options? |
| [01:28:50] | Beirdo: | Ubuntu 10.04.1 Server 64bit |
| [01:28:56] | gpmidi_wrk: | Beirdo: if you want mirroring than your doing raid (although you can do it in LVM if you don't want to use MD) |
| [01:28:56] | Beirdo: | so yes |
| [01:29:22] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [01:29:47] | Beirdo: | I know that mirroring is RAID, I'm confusing myself |
| [01:29:57] | gpmidi_wrk: | ah |
| [01:30:16] | gpmidi_wrk: | I'm having trouble getting live tv to work with my HD-PVR. I've followed the wiki instructions on it and haven't had any luck. Here are the logs from the backend: http://pastebin.com/QndPHNsT (Not sure what the errors mean) |
| [01:30:19] | Beirdo: | I think the motherboard manual confused me and I wired them in reverse order to the SATA ports |
| [01:30:50] | gpmidi_wrk: | if you specify the partitions in /etc/fstab using UUIDs or labels then you don't have to worry about disk order |
| [01:30:56] | gpmidi_wrk: | assuming you're doing things the CLI way |
| [01:31:01] | gpmidi_wrk: | GUI way, not too sure |
| [01:31:22] | Beirdo: | I've only been using Linux for 16 years... I think I know :) |
| [01:31:36] | wagnerrp: | old man |
| [01:31:50] | gpmidi_wrk: | Beirdo: my applogies, I assumed you were asking about it |
| [01:32:00] | Beirdo: | not to worry |
| [01:32:04] | Beirdo: | just grumbling |
| [01:32:10] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, I know |
| [01:32:12] | gpmidi_wrk: | Beirdo: you've been using Linux longer than me, and I've been using it for most of my life :-/ |
| [01:32:31] | jpabq: | gpmidi_wrk, most likely reason is the HD-PVR is trying to start recording before your STB is ready (on the new channel). Adding a sleep to the end of your channel change script will probably fix it. |
| [01:32:31] | wagnerrp: | i was in 4rd grade, running around in the woods 16yrs ago |
| [01:32:44] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, if they are, a svn up will disable it entirely, so I'd recommend that at this point |
| [01:32:45] | Beirdo: | it's gonna feel weird, but I'm going to do this precisely backwards |
| [01:32:52] | [R]: | wtf |
| [01:32:57] | Beirdo: | then when I open the case later, swap the cables |
| [01:32:58] | [R]: | how is using 1 cam for multiple receives NOT illegal |
| [01:33:01] | [R]: | wtf is this guy going on about |
| [01:33:34] | gpmidi_wrk: | jpabq: I'm not trying to change channels yet. I can't even get it to work initially |
| [01:33:40] | wagnerrp: | [R]: technically, its probably not illegal |
| [01:33:46] | wagnerrp: | but its still in violation of your ToS |
| [01:33:48] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [01:33:56] | Beirdo: | my backend crapped mid recording |
| [01:34:19] | wagnerrp: | and the vast majority of people using that tech are going to use it to use 0 cam for multiple receives |
| [01:34:22] | [R]: | this seems to keep happening every few months |
| [01:34:53] | jpabq: | gpmidi_wrk, so it has never worked for anything? Check your cables. The HD-PVR will refuse to record if it does not have a good audio signal, not just good video. Check the pass-through to make sure you are getting a picture. |
| [01:35:31] | jpabq: | Beirdo, odd. It is not Thursday, so I don't know why it would do that. |
| [01:35:38] | gpmidi_wrk: | jpabq: it works fine if I use VLC. It just when I try from myth that I have problems. (Yes, I'm rebooting both the HDPVR and Myth box in between attempts) |
| [01:36:53] | sphery: | But how can it be illegal or a violation of ToS if it's something I want to do? I was under the impression that anything I do is always right and it's always the other guy who's wrong. |
| [01:36:55] | jpabq: | gpmidi_wrk, so if you "cat /dev/video1 > some.ts". And then use mplayer to play some.ts it works? |
| [01:37:03] | gpmidi_wrk: | jpabq: yup |
| [01:37:16] | iamlindoro: | Critical portions of the BE log missing |
| [01:37:22] | iamlindoro: | can't diagnose anything with that little excerpt |
| [01:37:24] | [R]: | sphery: haha |
| [01:37:36] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: talking to me? |
| [01:37:39] | iamlindoro: | restart your backend, attempt a recording, then pastebin, don't just pastebin what you think is relevant |
| [01:37:40] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [01:37:47] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: sure thing |
| [01:38:03] | gpmidi_wrk: | my bad, I thought the most recent was enough, on esec |
| [01:38:07] | ** iamlindoro is pretty sure he already knows what the misconfiguration is ** | |
| [01:38:17] | Beirdo: | jpabq: yeah, I guess it was confused as to what day it is :) |
| [01:39:12] | wagnerrp: | please pardon me trying to sell my gear on the mailing list in direct conflict with the mailing list etiquette. will make sure this is excessively long, and make references to obscure custom systems |
| [01:39:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, and a crap system at that |
| [01:39:31] | jpabq: | Beirdo, it is kinda funny. Last April and May, my mythbackend would lock-up every thursday night just as Bones was starting to record. I missed 6 straight episodes in a row. I still don't know what was magical about Thursday nights, or Bones. |
| [01:39:34] | iamlindoro: | GPU w... 64 MB of Memory??? |
| [01:39:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, what is a "dragon system" supposed to be? |
| [01:39:55] | iamlindoro: | it was some random spec the knoppmyth people made up |
| [01:39:58] | Beirdo: | jpabq: reaaaly. it crapped during Bones for me. |
| [01:40:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: some commercial myth seller |
| [01:40:07] | iamlindoro: | nah, it was a spec |
| [01:40:14] | Beirdo: | I think mythtv doesn't like Bones! |
| [01:40:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:40:37] | [R]: | Beirdo: a mythical (pun intended) system |
| [01:40:58] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ah, i just remember seeing the term here... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System |
| [01:41:02] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/7TdgLfwR |
| [01:42:11] | iamlindoro: | gpmidi_wrk, have you set the default audio input in mythtv-setup properly? |
| [01:42:21] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: no idea |
| [01:42:27] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: worse, that is the /only/ time ive seen him post on the mailing list in my 3yr mail archive |
| [01:42:43] | iamlindoro: | gpmidi_wrk, Time to go find out, in capture cards... |
| [01:42:48] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: I'll go look up how to do that, ;) |
| [01:42:54] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [01:44:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp: but he said excuse me for the spam! |
| [01:45:09] | wagnerrp: | you know, ive actually got a very similar system sitting by my tv |
| [01:45:43] | wagnerrp: | better video card though |
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| [01:53:55] | Beirdo: | heh, I think I may have put the power LED and HDD LED jumpers on backwards |
| [01:54:06] | Beirdo: | no LEDs on at all |
| [01:56:07] | Criggie: | no magic smoke ? |
| [01:56:59] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: you were talking about the default_audio_input kernel module option? I've tried setting that and it's still not working. |
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| [02:02:48] | Beirdo: | why would there be smoke for a backwards LED? |
| [02:03:14] | wagnerrp: | breakdown voltage is less than operational? |
| [02:03:26] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:03:27] | wagnerrp: | rather poor quality for a diode |
| [02:03:30] | gpmidi_wrk: | lol |
| [02:03:46] | Beirdo: | not likely the breakdown is 3.3V/5V for an LED in a computer case |
| [02:04:14] | Beirdo: | not sure which rail they power it off these days |
| [02:04:30] | Beirdo: | it's installing base system... |
| [02:04:50] | Beirdo: | back to NCIS (got it hooked to the TV, don't have any monitors) |
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| [02:08:25] | wagnerrp: | stupid initrd |
| [02:08:28] | wagnerrp: | why are you not working |
| [02:09:01] | Beirdo: | because it is a lazy bum on welfare? |
| [02:09:12] | Beirdo: | oh no, that's not nice ;) |
| [02:09:17] | wagnerrp: | i try to boot into it, it fails, and drops out to the emergency console i have set up |
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| [02:09:23] | Beirdo: | oh that sucks |
| [02:09:37] | wagnerrp: | i run the exact... same... commands in the emergency console, and it works just fine |
| [02:09:48] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [02:09:52] | Beirdo: | path issues? |
| [02:10:03] | wagnerrp: | no, dhcp issues |
| [02:10:15] | Beirdo: | oh |
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| [02:10:33] | wagnerrp: | i bring up the interface, run udhcpc, it fails |
| [02:10:41] | wagnerrp: | when i run the same command manually, it works fine |
| [02:10:41] | gpmidi_wrk: | PATH var? |
| [02:11:07] | wagnerrp: | there is no path |
| [02:11:14] | wagnerrp: | its a busybox script, commands are internal |
| [02:11:19] | gpmidi_wrk: | ah |
| [02:14:14] | iamlindoro: | gpmidi_wrk, no, not a kernel option-- the capture card setup option |
| [02:14:22] | wagnerrp: | only thing i can think is it takes several seconds for the interface to come up after i run (busybox's) ifconfig |
| [02:14:54] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: well, adding that as a kernel option broke the module; I can't capture via cat /dev/video anymore |
| [02:15:07] | wagnerrp: | i did put a 1s wait in there, didnt fix anything |
| [02:15:17] | iamlindoro: | gpmidi_wrk, congrats, but since I didn't ask you to do it, I don't feel bad ;) |
| [02:15:44] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: heh, I don't blame you in the slighest, plus, accroding to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR it's a valid kernel option for the hdpvr module |
| [02:15:53] | iamlindoro: | yes, it is |
| [02:16:14] | iamlindoro: | and now presumably you've set it to an input that does not have a signal applied |
| [02:16:21] | iamlindoro: | which will prevent you capturing |
| [02:16:41] | iamlindoro: | which is why you are probably unable to capture in myth, since you have no properly set myth's comparable option |
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| [02:19:53] | beata000: | I just did a checkout of trunk and when using mythweb i get a blank screen. I have this in my error.log PHP Fatal error: Failed to open translation file: modules_path/_shared/lang/English.lang in /var/www/mythweb/classes/Translate.php on line 170, referer: http://192.168.0.100/mythweb/configuration/ |
| [02:20:08] | gpmidi_wrk: | I've changed the default input to the correct one but it's not working |
| [02:20:17] | gpmidi_wrk: | obv I got the cat /dev/video to work |
| [02:20:36] | gpmidi_wrk: | full reboot required to reset everything or is simply removing the hdpvr kernel module enough? |
| [02:21:11] | gpmidi_wrk: | for audio input, should I use spdif for optical? |
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| [02:28:02] | Beirdo: | if that's what you have hooked up |
| [02:28:37] | beata000: | hm semi fixed my problem by cp -R modules modules_path |
| [02:28:46] | gpmidi_wrk: | I have optical hooked up, but there is no optical option, so I assume that I need spdif since optical is spdif |
| [02:29:43] | beata000: | so apt something is fubared in my enviroment where modules_path is not getting set |
| [02:30:07] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–22 19:29:21.803 RingBuf(/opt/mythtv/video1/default/3071_20100921200000.mpg): Waited 0.5 seconds for data to become available... 0 < 32768 |
| [02:30:11] | Beirdo: | that's new |
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| [02:37:59] | gpmidi_wrk: | iamlindoro: I've set the audio input and the video input in the capture card config menu. New error log: http://pastebin.com/gYQCGy0x |
| [02:38:26] | gpmidi_wrk: | Note: Cat'ing /dev/video1 fails after mythbackend is run unless I rmmod & modprobe hdpvr |
| [02:40:19] | [R]: | Beirdo: remember my awesome upnp patch? i'm probably not gonna do it :( |
| [02:40:44] | Beirdo: | ah well |
| [02:40:51] | [R]: | my upnp device sucks |
| [02:41:04] | [R]: | after i finish watching something, its like stupid and i have to go back to the main menu and restart the upnp again |
| [02:41:06] | Beirdo: | many of them do, and in varying levels of suckiness |
| [02:41:20] | [R]: | like the dir listing is empty after every time i finish watching something |
| [02:41:34] | [R]: | i checked the packets on the line and it does no upnp requrests after i finish watching, even if i try navigating up |
| [02:41:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:41:48] | Beirdo: | nice device |
| [02:42:01] | [R]: | it may be because i put an alternative firmware on it... nto sure... i coulda sworn it did work originally |
| [02:42:17] | Beirdo: | jeez |
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| [02:43:41] | [R]: | oh man... hells kitchen is hilarious |
| [02:44:16] | [R]: | wagnerrp: did you write mythfs.py? |
| [02:44:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:44:36] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i can't for the life of me figure out how to put it in fstab |
| [02:44:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, neither could i |
| [02:44:57] | [R]: | its the spaces in the format |
| [02:45:22] | [R]: | maybe there could be some special char that is not a space but gets translated into a space |
| [02:46:16] | Beirdo: | why are there spaces in the format? |
| [02:46:56] | [R]: | Beirdo: Beirdo the filename |
| [02:47:16] | Beirdo: | but why? |
| [02:47:20] | [R]: | Beirdo: "Title/(date) Subtitle" |
| [02:47:32] | wagnerrp: | would you rather be Beirdo the directory? |
| [02:47:33] | [R]: | i guess you could do like date_subtitle |
| [02:48:19] | Beirdo: | spaces in filenames is a bad idea generally speaking anyways, it buggers up scripts, etc |
| [02:48:42] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:49:04] | [R]: | mythfs#Recordings,%T/%pm-%pd_%S /mythtv/pyfs fuse ro,allow_other 0 0 |
| [02:49:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i may go with that |
| [02:49:08] | Beirdo: | lol to you too :) |
| [02:49:34] | [R]: | i like having it sorted by rec date |
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| [02:50:40] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i coudln't figure out where the parser was... that converted %T to title |
| [02:50:46] | [R]: | wagnerrp: what about %_=" " |
| [02:51:04] | wagnerrp: | its in the bindings |
| [02:52:10] | [R]: | ah, i think i found it |
| [02:52:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: is there some kind of cache or does it run python code all the time? |
| [02:52:42] | [R]: | like if i change the bindings... do i need to remount? |
| [02:52:53] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [02:54:12] | Beirdo: | oh my goodness |
| [02:54:32] | Beirdo: | 10.04.1 Server install asked if I wanted to install Mythbuntu parts. |
| [02:55:07] | Beirdo: | OK, this is not impressing me. |
| [02:55:18] | Beirdo: | I hear "click click" occasionally |
| [02:55:37] | Beirdo: | you better not be dying on me, drives |
| [02:55:39] | wagnerrp: | its cocking a weapon |
| [02:55:42] | wagnerrp: | its going to shoot you |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | hhe |
| [02:56:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i get occational "invalid argument" when i try to ls on the dir... when i do a subsequent ls it works... have you seen that? |
| [02:56:22] | Beirdo: | sounds more like a cable tapping a fan blade, but ick |
| [02:56:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that whole thing needs a big overhaul |
| [02:56:35] | [R]: | wagnerrp: it uses a FileTransfer right? |
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| [02:56:58] | wagnerrp: | no, it uses ftopen |
| [02:57:07] | wagnerrp: | which may use a FileTransfer |
| [02:57:10] | [R]: | may? |
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| [02:57:13] | wagnerrp: | but thats only when you open a file |
| [02:57:20] | wagnerrp: | not when youre just doing a directory listing |
| [02:57:30] | [R]: | yeah, i'm talking about reading a file actually |
| [02:57:36] | wagnerrp: | yes, it only opens a file transfer socket if it cannot find the file locally |
| [02:57:44] | [R]: | can i force it? |
| [02:58:22] | wagnerrp: | in the bindings, yes |
| [02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | in mythfs, no |
| [02:59:05] | [R]: | probably a stupid question... but you can get access to the mount options from the fuse python bindings right? |
| [02:59:23] | [R]: | so i could make a mount option "forceft" and than patch the bindings to take an argument for it, right? |
| [02:59:34] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:59:35] | [R]: | or is there already an arguemnt for it? |
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| [03:02:06] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp, the python wrangler :) |
| [03:02:19] | Beirdo: | Good stuff. |
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| [03:09:56] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ah... there is an argument, sweet |
| [03:10:32] | wagnerrp: | [R]: go ahead and update whatever you want on the wiki |
| [03:10:41] | wagnerrp: | im going to be doing a drastic rewrite for 0.24 |
| [03:11:12] | [R]: | looks like i could just hardcode it |
| [03:11:20] | wagnerrp: | actually... |
| [03:11:22] | [R]: | updating tghe wiki would require me figuring out the python fuse bindings |
| [03:11:41] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: would it be too late to add a new event? |
| [03:12:43] | wagnerrp: | specifically, have the frontend fire off a 'VIDEOMETADATA_CHANGE' or something |
| [03:13:21] | wagnerrp: | right now, the mythfs script is scanning the database once every 30 seconds for new video ids |
| [03:13:34] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [03:13:42] | wagnerrp: | it would be a lot easier if i could just have it listen for an update event, like i intend to have it do for recordings |
| [03:14:04] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: nah, its very minimal, pull a list of `intid`, and compare with a local list |
| [03:14:17] | wagnerrp: | takes a few dozen milliseconds last time i timed it |
| [03:14:19] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i set forceremote true but i dont see it making a FileTransfer |
| [03:15:41] | wagnerrp: | you went into Recorded.open() and changed the call it made? |
| [03:16:04] | [R]: | oh crap, did i change the wrong thing |
| [03:16:07] | [R]: | i only found one instance of ftopen |
| [03:16:14] | wagnerrp: | what did you change? |
| [03:16:18] | [R]: | URI.open() |
| [03:16:38] | [R]: | do i have to change it in the bindings? |
| [03:16:40] | wagnerrp: | no no no... youve got to go into the bindings and change this |
| [03:16:43] | [R]: | ah |
| [03:16:48] | wagnerrp: | MythData.Recorded.open |
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| [03:19:47] | [R]: | there we go |
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| [03:22:11] | Beirdo: | [ 0.000000] SMP: Allowing 8 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs |
| [03:22:14] | Beirdo: | yay! |
| [03:22:33] | wagnerrp: | irsend doesnt seemt to be working |
| [03:22:38] | wagnerrp: | ... figured that would be too easy |
| [03:24:42] | [R]: | the authentic windows sticker is falling off my laptop... is my windows licesne invalid when it comes off? |
| [03:24:43] | [R]: | hehe |
| [03:25:53] | [R]: | i'm so excited i dont have to screw around with my backend when streaming remotely anymore |
| [03:25:57] | ** [R] hugs wagnerrp ** | |
| [03:25:58] | [R]: | haha |
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| [03:34:28] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah! |
| [03:34:36] | clever: | http://www.pyrocam.com/files/images/remotecon . . . 20detail.jpg now this is what my mythfrontend would look like! |
| [03:34:45] | wagnerrp: | now i have one IR blaster |
| [03:34:50] | wagnerrp: | score! |
| [03:35:34] | wagnerrp: | for future reference, 4.8V is too much for those little things |
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| [03:39:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, if you know where to add it, I wouldn't think it would be an issue since it's just '#include this header and call that function'. would this be driven off the internal scan or in other places as well? |
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| [03:39:48] | wagnerrp: | internal scan, and the one in the bindings |
| [03:41:58] | wagnerrp: | i had actually been waiting to use MFSW, and just hook into that the same as mythvideo, but it seems thats not going to be an option |
| [03:42:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | I don't see an issue with adding it. just reference what it 'fixes'. :) |
| [03:42:40] | wagnerrp: | will do |
| [03:42:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I had high hopes for MFSW, but it doesn't look like it will be able to do all that we'd like it to and if it can't then it needs to be thought out more or just ditched for something better. |
| [03:43:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | perhaps it could be useful just for certain directories. may revisit it later. |
| [03:43:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/may/will/ |
| [03:43:26] | Gibby: | i have a HVR-1600, I have OTA plugged into my ATSC, I have my directv box plugged into svideo, been working great except some OTA issue due to antenna position. I just hooked up another directv stb to tuner1 and set it to tune to channel 3, they both work but not at the sametime... i have a feeling that is the limit of the card correct? |
| [03:43:51] | wagnerrp: | that card only has a single encoder |
| [03:43:58] | wagnerrp: | so you can use svideo, or the tuner |
| [03:44:01] | wagnerrp: | not both at the same time |
| [03:44:23] | Beirdo: | ooooh, this processor lowers its CPU speed when not being used |
| [03:44:28] | Gibby: | figured so, thanks wagnerrp, off to ebay |
| [03:44:32] | Beirdo: | I had forgotten that for a moment |
| [03:44:32] | [R]: | Beirdo: don't most do that? |
| [03:44:38] | wagnerrp: | they all do now |
| [03:44:49] | [R]: | i once set my laptop to do that |
| [03:44:49] | Beirdo: | yeah yeah :) |
| [03:44:58] | [R]: | but it would drop down to like 600mhz or something absurd like that |
| [03:45:00] | Beirdo: | like my backend ever is idle enough to see it happen |
| [03:45:44] | [R]: | when my backend is idle it shuts down |
| [03:46:12] | [R]: | i mean 270mhz* |
| [03:46:43] | Beirdo: | System information disabled due to load higher than 1 |
| [03:46:45] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [03:46:58] | Beirdo: | it has more than one processor, like I care |
| [03:54:32] | Beirdo: | OK, punting ~/src from the old box to the new |
| [03:54:38] | ** Beirdo loves rsync ** | |
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| [03:59:31] | Beirdo: | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz |
| [03:59:31] | Beirdo: | stepping : 5 |
| [03:59:31] | Beirdo: | cpu MHz : 1200.000 |
| [03:59:43] | Beirdo: | gah, wro ng window |
| [03:59:46] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [04:00:02] | Beirdo: | however... doesn't that seem ... wrong? |
| [04:00:09] | [R]: | which part? |
| [04:00:23] | Beirdo: | 1.2GHz CPU speed |
| [04:00:30] | [R]: | is cpufreq running? |
| [04:00:32] | Beirdo: | on a 2.8GHz part |
| [04:00:58] | Beirdo: | cpuset, no cpufreq in ps |
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| [04:02:20] | Beirdo: | I don't remember where to look anymore |
| [04:02:49] | Gibby: | are there any cards that have dual atsc and svideo and that all can be used at the same time? |
| [04:03:03] | [R]: | yyou want 2 atsc AND svideo at the same thing? |
| [04:03:06] | [R]: | the same time* |
| [04:03:10] | Gibby: | yep |
| [04:03:27] | [R]: | i don't think i've ever seen a card with 3 encoders |
| [04:04:43] | [R]: | you should just get a pvr150 |
| [04:04:46] | [R]: | and a hdhomerun |
| [04:05:01] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-2250 is a dual hybrid tuner |
| [04:05:09] | wagnerrp: | you have two tuners that you can use in either analog or digital mode |
| [04:07:30] | Gibby: | ahhh hmm, my hvr-1600 as an addin i think i can get for it, just have to find 1 |
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| [04:18:39] | Beirdo: | [ 3713.909607] INFO: task dpkg:19758 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| [04:18:43] | Beirdo: | what the... |
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| [04:34:04] | Beirdo: | ERROR: ddf1: wrong # of devices in RAID set "ddf1_optData" [3/4] on /dev/sda |
| [04:34:27] | Beirdo: | come ON... I wiped the drive, how does it still know about that old RAID set?! |
| [04:36:56] | Beirdo: | OK, cpufreqd now running |
| [04:37:12] | Beirdo: | cpu MHz : 2801.000 |
| [04:39:11] | [R]: | SWEET |
| [04:39:13] | [R]: | HE'S BACK |
| [04:39:14] | [R]: | WOOHOO |
| [04:39:31] | [R]: | wagnerrp: check -users |
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| [04:59:49] | Beirdo: | how the heck do I get that ddf metadata off my friggin drives? |
| [05:00:20] | wagnerrp: | dd zeros to the first few MB, and reboot |
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| [05:03:41] | Beirdo: | ummm, I just installed :) |
| [05:04:09] | Beirdo: | root@mythbe:~# blkid /dev/sda |
| [05:04:09] | Beirdo: | /dev/sda: UUID=" M-UM-BM-G" TYPE="ddf_raid_member" |
| [05:04:09] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what 'ddf' means |
| [05:04:14] | Beirdo: | beautiful |
| [05:04:35] | Beirdo: | it's the common RAID format used by aacraid and some other raid controllers |
| [05:04:42] | Beirdo: | which mdadm now will honor |
| [05:04:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:07:25] | Beirdo: | hexdump -C -n 204800 /dev/sda shows some interesting crap |
| [05:07:36] | Beirdo: | old LVM2 metadata, for instance |
| [05:09:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand this response... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/pvr-50-versions-nee . . . 8/#post54102 |
| [05:09:46] | Beirdo: | I refuse to read that forum :) |
| [05:10:23] | wagnerrp: | its some guy responding to a thread that IVTV cards break VIA systems |
| [05:10:28] | wagnerrp: | except... |
| [05:10:32] | Beirdo: | OMG, you have to be kidding me |
| [05:10:38] | Beirdo: | it's at the END of the drive |
| [05:10:42] | wagnerrp: | the thread ended THREE YEARS AGO |
| [05:11:00] | wagnerrp: | why is he posting to a three year old thread? |
| [05:13:38] | Beirdo: | he's a forum user. |
| [05:14:08] | Beirdo: | forum use lowers your IQ every time you participate |
| [05:14:19] | Beirdo: | my theory |
| [05:15:46] | wagnerrp: | well hes already pretty low, and thats his first post |
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| [05:27:18] | justinh: | hey, but you can start a poll in a forum to see how many people have problems with stuff – that's bound to get the project improved :-\ |
| [05:27:46] | justinh: | signatures on polls really make a difference! |
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| [05:37:22] | Beirdo: | I think I got it |
| [05:37:30] | Beirdo: | dmraid -r -E /dev/sda |
| [05:37:32] | Beirdo: | poof |
| [05:37:55] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [05:37:57] | Beirdo: | no workee |
| [05:44:50] | Beirdo: | ERROR: Raid set deletion is not supported in "ddf1" format |
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| [05:44:53] | Beirdo: | argh :) |
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| [05:49:09] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: seems I have to wipe the LAST 1MB of the disk |
| [05:49:31] | Beirdo: | let me try it |
| [05:49:41] | Beirdo: | at worst I have to reinstall after |
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| [05:54:12] | Gumby: | <justinh> signatures on polls really make a difference! <--- tell that to the Canadian gov't |
| [05:55:03] | [R]: | oh man |
| [05:55:10] | [R]: | i'd like kill myself if i didn't have my QAM tuner |
| [05:57:01] | Beirdo: | oh OOPS |
| [05:57:18] | Beirdo: | and I wiped the first chunk on one |
| [05:57:21] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [05:58:00] | [R]: | mythcommflag found 134 commercials |
| [05:58:02] | [R]: | interesting... |
| [05:58:12] | [R]: | how is that evne possible? |
| [05:58:18] | Beirdo: | what distro? |
| [05:58:28] | [R]: | ubuntu |
| [05:58:55] | Beirdo: | known phenomenon, not sure how to fix it yet |
| [05:59:02] | Beirdo: | that commflag was killed |
| [05:59:12] | [R]: | oh |
| [05:59:17] | ** [R] checsks his dmesg and feers for the worst ** | |
| [05:59:25] | [R]: | but where did the 134 come from? |
| [05:59:42] | Beirdo: | return code is byteswapped |
| [05:59:45] | [R]: | well no OOM killer |
| [05:59:48] | [R]: | ah |
| [05:59:49] | Beirdo: | but only for signals |
| [05:59:56] | Beirdo: | turn it into hex |
| [06:00:06] | Beirdo: | what is it? |
| [06:00:09] | [R]: | 0x86 |
| [06:00:19] | Beirdo: | right |
| [06:00:23] | Beirdo: | signal 6 |
| [06:00:28] | [R]: | whats 6? |
| [06:00:33] | [R]: | EWENTTOPARTY |
| [06:00:34] | [R]: | ? |
| [06:00:43] | [R]: | oh you said signal |
| [06:00:44] | Beirdo: | ABRT |
| [06:00:45] | [R]: | SIGWENTTOPARTY |
| [06:01:14] | [R]: | well i did have 3 running at once |
| [06:01:24] | [R]: | atleast my load is back to wher eit should be |
| [06:02:09] | [R]: | i'm so pissed off at history for rerunning episodes and there not being guide data in schedules direct for it |
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| [06:08:59] | Beirdo: | root@mythbe:~# dmraid -r |
| [06:08:59] | Beirdo: | no raid disks |
| [06:09:01] | Beirdo: | finally |
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| [06:14:19] | justinh: | heh. cybercafe mythfrontend bloke is all over twitter now |
| [06:14:33] | [R]: | justinh: don't you mean "The Twitter"? |
| [06:14:37] | [R]: | justinh: where? |
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| [06:15:52] | justinh: | in my "mythtv -mentby -mythtvusersmail -puddlespc -ed_mythtv .. ad infinitum" search column |
| [06:16:58] | [R]: | whats his name |
| [06:18:02] | justinh: | dunno – he posted a job vacancy somewhere & bots have picked it up |
| [06:19:21] | justinh: | strikes me as strange he feels it's necessary to use mythfrontend instead of his own kiosk type menu app |
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| [06:22:25] | justinh: | "mythtv want's to record to the same drive as the OS drive". Want's?! WANT'S ? Frickin moron |
| [06:22:41] | [R]: | now now... |
| [06:22:48] | Beirdo: | frickin frick! |
| [06:22:52] | [R]: | just because he is incapable of reading the documentation |
| [06:23:40] | justinh: | just because he's incapable of realising a simple word doesn't need an apostrophe |
| [06:23:48] | [R]: | oh |
| [06:23:52] | [R]: | thats what you were doing |
| [06:24:03] | [R]: | justinh: what if hes from a foreign land? |
| [06:24:14] | justinh: | so? |
| [06:24:28] | [R]: | and english isn't his "mother tongue" |
| [06:24:42] | justinh: | well yeah, his location is listed as Orlando, FL |
| [06:24:51] | justinh: | so I'll give you that |
| [06:24:56] | wagnerrp: | [R]: at least sickly teo is gone |
| [06:25:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: gone? he'll be back |
| [06:25:12] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [06:25:19] | wagnerrp: | the illness finally got him |
| [06:25:28] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:25:39] | [R]: | but hes going to spend years in the courts |
| [06:25:41] | [R]: | he can't be gone |
| [06:25:56] | wagnerrp: | i think he is |
| [06:27:36] | [R]: | i still don't get it |
| [06:27:40] | [R]: | is he for real? or what? |
| [06:27:51] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [06:28:03] | wagnerrp: | kormoc banned his email |
| [06:28:16] | [R]: | oh really? |
| [06:28:18] | [R]: | sweet |
| [06:28:35] | [R]: | but he was so entertaining... |
| [06:28:39] | justinh: | hmm. tempted to see if I can break mythweb again |
| [06:28:44] | [R]: | is it a silent drop... or a bounce? |
| [06:28:54] | justinh: | think it got messed up when I was changing skins |
| [06:29:18] | kormoc: | [R], If you google, you can find other lists where he's active |
| [06:29:58] | [R]: | so your suggesting i subscribe to one of them to get my Teo fix? |
| [06:30:04] | [R]: | you're* |
| [06:30:04] | kormoc: | yup |
| [06:30:07] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:31:07] | justinh: | hmm. must've been a fluke I managed to bork it, then |
| [06:31:48] | justinh: | least I know how to fix it if it ever happens again though |
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| [06:38:47] | justinh: | this might be handy.. I could look at a db backup from when mythweb was borked & examine the contents of mythweb_sessions |
| [06:40:22] | Beirdo: | is there a way to tell make/ccache to use more than one core? |
| [06:40:33] | Beirdo: | i.e. parallel make? |
| [06:40:38] | kormoc: | make -j $num_cpu+1 |
| [06:40:47] | Beirdo: | ahhh, that's the one :) |
| [06:40:48] | Beirdo: | thanks |
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| [06:41:30] | justinh: | I remember a certain OSS PVR build instructions suggested to always -j $NumberofCPUs+1 :-) |
| [06:41:55] | kormoc: | -j9 is so nice, i'll tell you what :) |
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| [06:43:03] | Beirdo: | are you kidding me!? |
| [06:43:21] | Beirdo: | this is just flying by |
| [06:43:28] | Beirdo: | -j5 at the moment |
| [06:43:38] | Beirdo: | 4 cores, 8 threads |
| [06:45:41] | Beirdo: | oh, this is nice |
| [06:46:18] | justinh: | oh *finally* Sony have got some GPU accelerated encoding in Vegas |
| [06:46:49] | justinh: | I know what graphics hardware I'll be putting in my next desktop machine :-) |
| [06:47:12] | justinh: | that and quite a meaty (by my standards) quad core |
| [06:47:57] | Beirdo: | recompiling with -j9 (running with time) |
| [06:48:08] | Beirdo: | cleared the .ccache and did distclean |
| [06:49:16] | Beirdo: | load avg approaching 8... past 8 |
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| [06:51:22] | Beirdo: | real 3m36.034s |
| [06:51:23] | Beirdo: | user 23m2.660s |
| [06:51:23] | Beirdo: | sys 2m8.790s |
| [06:51:29] | Beirdo: | nice. |
| [06:51:48] | Beirdo: | used 23 CPU minutes in 3.5 wall minutes |
| [06:52:04] | Beirdo: | that was a full mythtv + mythplugins |
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| [06:54:04] | justinh: | and I think I better get my CV up to date.. director of hardware engineering has handed in his notice |
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| [07:03:44] | Beirdo: | OK, to install the HVR-2250.... why the heck not? |
| [07:03:57] | Beirdo: | make sure it likes my custom kernel first |
| [07:04:15] | Beirdo: | then see if this baby can boot with no video card |
| [07:04:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [07:07:35] | Beirdo: | crap |
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| [07:47:53] | Beirdo: | works better with initramfs actually CREATED |
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| [07:49:07] | Beirdo: | OK. Good and bad |
| [07:49:19] | Beirdo: | a) it will boot with no video card (good) |
| [07:49:32] | Beirdo: | b) I don't see the HVR-2250 in lspci (bad) |
| [07:52:15] | justinh: | ow. how would anything not appear in lspci? |
| [07:52:36] | Beirdo: | likely I didn't shove the mother far enough into the slot |
| [07:52:52] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:52:54] | Beirdo: | unless the PCIe x16 slot don't like my x1 card |
| [07:53:23] | justinh: | well, time to prepare about a zillion itty bitty lengths of heatshrink for my next cable making opus |
| [07:53:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:54:05] | justinh: | somebody is on holiday so I get to build 40 20 foot cables for CCTV installs on buses |
| [07:54:20] | Beirdo: | glad to see that it will boot with no video though :) |
| [07:54:48] | justinh: | might try my backend with no video card sometime |
| [07:54:50] | Beirdo: | of course... to tweak the BIOS... I need video. |
| [07:54:54] | Beirdo: | fugh |
| [07:55:13] | justinh: | just rewrite the BIOS to do it all over COM1 |
| [07:55:24] | Beirdo: | what COM1? |
| [07:55:27] | justinh: | lol |
| [07:55:38] | Beirdo: | it actually has a header for it on the mobo |
| [07:55:47] | Beirdo: | but no way to get to it externally |
| [07:56:12] | justinh: | some of the headers on my FE motherboard are stupid 0.05" pitch IDC |
| [07:56:12] | Beirdo: | this will be a supremely sweet box... once I make it behave |
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| [07:58:43] | Beirdo: | guh. |
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| [08:10:55] | justinh: | I think the email server here is in need of some attention. I'm not receiving emails from my boss except when he prints them out & brings them over |
| [08:11:41] | justinh: | but I can send emails to my work account from my gmail & I get them just fine.. same with other people in the company. Stupid IT guy |
| [08:14:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:14:25] | Beirdo: | exchange, I bet |
| [08:14:58] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:15:48] | justinh: | we all had to change over to using thunderbird since nobody in the old IT dept kept records of licence purchases |
| [08:17:21] | justinh: | I thought Outlook was slow... it wasn't compared to Thunderbird 3.1.4 |
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| [09:14:37] | Beirdo: | aha |
| [09:14:48] | Beirdo: | apparently there IS a BIOS setting I can try. |
| [09:15:07] | Beirdo: | but I need to put the video card back in. frick. |
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| [09:17:32] | Beirdo: | .Added support on PCI-E (x1) Cards – TV Card, RAID Card |
| [09:17:34] | Beirdo: | (Aug/2010) |
| [09:17:37] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [09:17:45] | Beirdo: | BIOS upgrade required |
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| [09:22:33] | justinh: | ooo boy. we fail. products requiring different PSUs entirely.. but both PSUs use the same connector type |
| [09:23:33] | justinh: | one is a +12V PSU with +12 on 2 pins, GND on the other 2 pins |
| [09:23:43] | justinh: | the other is +12V and +5V, GND on the other 2 pins |
| [09:24:49] | justinh: | and guess what... the 12V & 5V are interchangeable. they should at least have reversed the pinout so if you put the wrong PSU on it'd short it to GND & effectively shut the PSU down without damaging the product |
| [09:26:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:26:20] | Beirdo: | POOF! |
| [09:26:26] | justinh: | but no, it |
| [09:26:41] | justinh: | duh. it's wired so that if you plug the wrong PSU into the DVR it'll put 12V on the 5V rail |
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| [09:27:05] | Beirdo: | ooooh, flames! |
| [09:27:27] | justinh: | that's almost as mad as putting serial comms or another lowish level signal input on a mains type connector |
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| [09:33:48] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I wonder if the BIOS likes USB video :) |
| [09:33:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:46:45] | justinh: | did you get one of those usb monitors then? |
| [09:48:17] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [09:49:05] | Beirdo: | thinking more like: |
| [09:49:07] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/External-Multi-Monitor- . . . /B002FJQXXC/ |
| [09:54:24] | Beirdo: | so I guess tomorrow evening is BIOS upgrade night |
| [09:54:49] | Beirdo: | gotta pull out the HVR-2250, put video card in.. upgrade BIOS, get it booting |
| [09:55:01] | Beirdo: | then pull video card, insert HVR-2250 |
| [09:55:08] | Beirdo: | sheesh |
| [09:55:22] | Beirdo: | this is what I get for getting miniitx :) |
| [09:55:40] | Beirdo: | anyways, well past my bedtime, and I'm actually getting tired, so good night |
| [09:56:59] | sid3windr: | miniitx without onboard video? |
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| [10:00:08] | Criggie: | justdave: thaat'lll make it run faster |
| [10:00:55] | justinh: | oh, lazy autocomplete |
| [10:00:59] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [10:01:12] | Criggie: | dwoopsy |
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| [12:49:22] | justinh: | oooo dreambox dvb-t models are now available at about £50 |
| [12:49:37] | justinh: | with some massaging I bet you could easy turn em into network tuners |
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| [13:10:03] | justinh: | hrm. methinks the programme finder needs an 'everything' entry to better make use of the search feature |
| [13:10:14] | sphery: | fun, I'm getting the joy of teaching one of my ISPs support representatives all about SORBS |
| [13:11:05] | sphery: | some idiot submitted one of my (nationwide) ISPs mail servers as a spammer, so I'm trying to get them to request a delisting |
| [13:11:51] | at0m: | "been using irc for comms, since" |
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| [13:23:13] | justinh: | almost tempted to send an RFC to the -dev list but I remember what happened last time |
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| [13:33:08] | Azelphur: | Is there any way to initiate a MythVideo scan and Metadata grab from the command line? |
| [13:33:59] | justinh: | god, how many times must this subject come up? |
| [13:34:04] | justinh: | NO |
| [13:34:07] | Azelphur: | D: |
| [13:34:38] | justinh: | though JAMU can do automagical metadata grabbing |
| [13:35:21] | Azelphur: | yea, not much use if I can't do a scan though :p |
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| [13:36:35] | justinh: | maybe you shouldn't be such a torrenter then |
| [13:37:40] | justinh: | anyway how bloody often are the people who are asking for commandline stuff like this adding video content – and in what kind of amounts? It's not a great big hassle to rescan once in a while |
| [13:38:27] | sid3windr: | it takes a while for me due to ethernet over power slowness :( |
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| [13:39:24] | justinh: | well yeah it sucks over wireless on my laptop too – serves me right for having lame hardware |
| [13:39:35] | justinh: | (which works fine in windows btw) |
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| [14:28:32] | rooter7: | I've just completely rebuilt Debian, installed 0.23-fixes (yesterday's), and restored the database, but weird problems. |
| [14:29:18] | rooter7: | I want to delete a show, so <Del><^><Enter> and it disappears for a few seconds, then is resurrected! |
| [14:29:36] | rooter7: | Why can't I delete anything? |
| [14:29:49] | bjd: | permissions on teh recordings dir? |
| [14:30:20] | rooter7: | (I was running 0.22 before so several updates had to be done to the schema right before the problem began) |
| [14:30:48] | rooter7: | {oh sh*t} |
| [14:30:55] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv? |
| [14:31:00] | wagnerrp: | revision, rather |
| [14:32:51] | rooter7: | Er, forgot to write it down after SVN, but yesterday. |
| [14:33:40] | rooter7: | Oh yeah, you nailed it bjd. |
| [14:33:53] | rooter7: | 744 on recordings. |
| [14:34:02] | rooter7: | Fixed now. |
| [14:34:46] | rooter7: | Another weird thing. When looking at recorded shows in Metallurgy, any show highlighted disappears in the black bar. |
| [14:34:58] | rooter7: | Text color is the same as bar color. |
| [14:35:09] | rooter7: | Is there a newer dark theme? |
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| [14:37:09] | justinh: | you likely need to update the themes too |
| [14:38:19] | rooter7: | I did, but I have a special schedulesui from 0.22 that I just grafted in. Maybe that's the problem. I wish the lists had alot more entries for those of us with large screens. |
| [14:39:22] | rooter7: | Metallurgy doesn't even show which shows have been watched, so I'd made a few alterations in 0.22. |
| [14:39:40] | rooter7: | Guess I have to mod the new configs. |
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| [15:25:30] | Gibby: | Is $91 good for a HDHomeRun Dual? |
| [15:26:48] | wagnerrp: | very |
| [15:26:48] | iamlindoro: | If new, yes, that's a good deal |
| [15:27:04] | wagnerrp: | cheapest ive seen is $70 |
| [15:27:10] | wagnerrp: | but theyre usually $130–140 |
| [15:27:58] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: while youre here, any objection to http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1947534 ? |
| [15:28:25] | iamlindoro: | no objection |
| [15:28:36] | wagnerrp: | should i put something similar in jamu? |
| [15:29:22] | iamlindoro: | If you like-- Jamu has mostly fallen behind the recent changes in MythVideo (by design, since we're trying to wean people off of it) so it's sort of 6 of 1, half dozen of the other |
| [15:29:45] | wagnerrp: | fair enough, nothing internal is going to use it anyway |
| [15:30:00] | wagnerrp: | im just looking for something to use in mythfs to avoid rescanning the database |
| [15:30:24] | marc_us: | iamlindoro: That's a good price and running multiple HD-HRs is very easy with myth |
| [15:30:38] | iamlindoro: | marc_us: Why say so to me? |
| [15:30:38] | wagnerrp: | marc_us: assuming you have gigabit ethernet |
| [15:30:53] | iamlindoro: | wasn't y question |
| [15:30:56] | iamlindoro: | s/y/my/ |
| [15:31:03] | marc_us: | In error |
| [15:31:11] | marc_us: | I mment that for Gibby |
| [15:33:34] | marc_us: | wagnerrp: I've not had any problems, knock on wood. Have had many recordings and feeding HD to two front ends at the same time. |
| [15:33:40] | Gibby: | it is used on amazon |
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| [15:34:07] | wagnerrp: | marc_us: youre doing this with 10/100? |
| [15:34:29] | marc_us: | Gibby: I picked up my second unit as a refurb for under 90. |
| [15:34:40] | wagnerrp: | if you dont use much multirec, you shouldnt have trouble |
| [15:34:59] | wagnerrp: | but if youre using cable and multirec, you can fill 100mbit pretty quickly |
| [15:35:06] | wagnerrp: | (with two) |
| [15:35:13] | marc_us: | While I did swap out later with a gig switch, I had no big issues while I still had a 10/100 switch |
| [15:36:34] | marc_us: | Multi rec was indeed rare as there were not many instances where it would be used with my off-air setup perhaps with PBS but those secondary feeds are 480i |
| [15:37:26] | wagnerrp: | if youre using ATSC, youre only going to get at most ~35mbps out of the unit |
| [15:37:43] | wagnerrp: | with cable, you can do double that |
| [15:38:07] | marc_us: | Odly enough my new switch shows that my back end at 100 |
| [15:38:59] | marc_us: | Our cable co does not have hardly any unencrypted content except for locals |
| [15:39:59] | marc_us: | Time Warner is not very friendly to us mythers |
| [15:40:19] | wagnerrp: | neither here, but theyve got multiple locals on a single channel |
| [15:40:31] | marc_us: | Thus I waste money on two HD Cable boxes and two expensive HDPVRs |
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| [15:51:12] | marc_us: | wagnerrp: I'll keep your coments at heart when I experiment with trying the locals over the cable line. |
| [15:51:59] | wagnerrp: | marc_us: its simply a matter of bitrate |
| [15:52:00] | marc_us: | I've just be hesitant because of the difficulty and my inexperience remapping channels |
| [15:52:13] | wagnerrp: | an HD channel is going to be 14–18mbps |
| [15:52:21] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is only going to have one per channel |
| [15:52:23] | Gibby: | well i have gigabit |
| [15:52:33] | wagnerrp: | QAM might have two, or multiple SD channels |
| [15:53:20] | wagnerrp: | six HD recordings across the four tuners, and youre at the practical limit for 100mbit |
| [15:54:38] | marc_us: | I've checked the mappings for the locals on the cable line and there are a couple of HD streams I would normmaly use on the same channels. Hopefully the new switch will help |
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| [15:59:29] | lydgate: | does mythtv store the aspect ratio of recordings anywhere? I guess this might not be possible since some of them seem to change... |
| [16:00:15] | wagnerrp: | recordedmarkup |
| [16:01:50] | lydgate: | ah |
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| [16:05:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | according to Cacti, my QAM connected HDHomeRun on my switch peaked around 8.27 MegaBytes per second last night. |
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| [16:06:22] | wagnerrp: | wait, the HDHR does SNMP? |
| [16:06:39] | wagnerrp: | or is this just your backend's network traffic? |
| [16:06:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | graphing the Cisco switch port |
| [16:07:04] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:10:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | filesever itself peaked at 11.04 MegaBytes per second during that timeframe, so I must have had some analog recordings coming in off the slaves as well. |
| [16:11:37] | flexy: | latest trunk, updated within hour. Recording works, but when starting livetv, FE gets "stuck". As in, no picture, no audio, no EPG. FE log shows: We have a playbackURL(/mythtv4/1001_20100923185730.mpg) & cardtype(DUMMY) and BE log shows: 2010-09–23 18:57:30.839 TVRec(1): StartedRecording(0x190f170) fn(/mythtv4/1001_20100923185730.mpg) |
| [16:12:01] | flexy: | and little later BE log shows: 2010-09–23 18:57:33.567 TVRec(1): StartedRecording(0x7f1024006260) fn(/mythtv4/1001_20100923185733.mpg) |
| [16:12:36] | flexy: | there is no /mythtv4/1001_20100923185730.mpg file, but /mythtv4/1001_20100923185733.mpg is present and growing while I don't kill frontend |
| [16:13:16] | flexy: | If I record a show, I can watch it from Watch Recordings |
| [16:13:17] | Gibby: | sorry on the phone with a vendor have a server issue at work.... but back to HDHomeRun Dual real quick..i read back through and i think i can do 2 backends and 2 HDHomeRun Duals. I can just hook them up directly to each backend since my backends have multiple giga ports right? |
| [16:13:30] | flexy: | and previously recorded shows work fine. |
| [16:13:48] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: sure, but im not sure the purpose |
| [16:14:12] | wagnerrp: | on a gigabit network, the throughput of a single HDHR is fairly trivial |
| [16:14:18] | flexy: | Does this sound a bug or PEBCAK? |
| [16:14:19] | wagnerrp: | it wont exceed 8% |
| [16:14:32] | Gibby: | i guess my concern would be if the HDHomeRun sends out broadcast packets... don't want to flood my network.. i could assign them there own VLAN I guess |
| [16:14:46] | sid3windr: | that would be a silly design |
| [16:14:47] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:15:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, it sends multicast packets for the purposes of UPNP detection |
| [16:15:05] | wagnerrp: | all else is unicast |
| [16:15:35] | wagnerrp: | the Tech unit will actually stream using multicast |
| [16:15:43] | wagnerrp: | but even still, that wont flood a network |
| [16:16:03] | Gibby: | wagnerrrp: ok thanks |
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| [16:20:26] | Gibby: | looks like tiget direct is the cheapest at $79.99 |
| [16:21:28] | wagnerrp: | make sure that is the dual tuner, and not the single tuner |
| [16:21:57] | Gibby: | wagnerrp: guess google doesn't understand the word dual |
| [16:22:16] | Gibby: | my only other option would be a dual pci tuner, but haven't seen any for pci |
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| [16:31:26] | marc_us: | Gibby: The HDHR has been the best gadget my Mythtv system uses. I also use it as a IR target for remote control |
| [16:31:43] | marc_us: | So simple and very easy to use with plenty of linux support |
| [16:33:09] | Gibby: | marc_us: awesome thanks... I am think I have going to get 2 of them. I am getting rid of Directtv soon. so then my goal is be able to run my backend in a virtual so i can fail it over if i have hardware issues |
| [16:34:33] | marc_us: | I've never run vms on my stuff but I can say I've been very happy with two HR during the start of this new fall season. I'm missing no shows |
| [16:35:04] | johnnyj: | is anyone aware of an open ticket on trunk related to watching the last few minutes of a program in livetv, and it skips to the next recording, not playing the last ~20 seconds of the previous show? |
| [16:35:18] | marc_us: | I don't even have a fraction of the time to watch it all! |
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| [16:37:21] | wagnerrp: | why do you need a VM to do failover? |
| [16:38:39] | Gibby: | well was going to run in the ubuntu cloud |
| [16:39:40] | sid3windr: | failover for your home PVR... *claps* |
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| [16:41:31] | Beirdo: | failover for a MythTV setup? It's called "watch live TV on the TV while you rebuild the box" |
| [16:41:54] | wagnerrp: | the... ubuntu cloud? |
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| [16:42:33] | Beirdo: | yeah. ubuntu cloud servers... you can run your own EC2-like setup... at home :) |
| [16:42:45] | Beirdo: | if you LIKE pain. |
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| [16:43:54] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: cloud or not, why would you need a VM to do failover? |
| [16:44:11] | wagnerrp: | clearly youre not going to be attempting live duplication and migration of the backend process |
| [16:44:25] | wagnerrp: | so all thats left is booting up the backend image on a new machine |
| [16:44:34] | wagnerrp: | and im wondering why that would be necessary for failover |
| [16:45:03] | wagnerrp: | i mean, thats like grabbing the sledge, when you need a ballpeen |
| [16:45:28] | wagnerrp: | it will get the job done, but my god man... finesse |
| [16:45:30] | Beirdo: | or a flyswatter |
| [16:45:33] | iamlindoro: | Yo, I heard you like TV so I put a TV in your TV so that you can TV while you TV |
| [16:46:47] | sid3windr: | you forgot the dawg! |
| [16:46:48] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [16:46:53] | iamlindoro: | True |
| [16:46:54] | iamlindoro: | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sup_Dawg |
| [16:47:22] | sid3windr: | http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/image . . . wg_bikes.jpg :] |
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| [17:07:56] | Gibby: | wagnerrp: this so i can have it auto failover is there is a hardware issue and i am not home to fix it |
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| [17:08:58] | wagnerrp: | again i ask, why do you need a VM to accomplish that? |
| [17:09:53] | wagnerrp: | if a SBE goes down, no one cares |
| [17:10:20] | Beirdo: | except the person it goes down on... |
| [17:10:27] | Beirdo: | oh wait, that just sounds wrong. |
| [17:10:30] | wagnerrp: | if a MBE goes down, its a couple lines to flip a /single/ value in the database to a viable SBE, and restart all the backends |
| [17:11:08] | wagnerrp: | mysql has its own replication and HA mechanisms |
| [17:11:21] | wagnerrp: | if your server exists on your MBE |
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| [17:12:00] | wagnerrp: | do you see what im getting at here? |
| [17:12:23] | wagnerrp: | virtual machines are rarely the proper solution |
| [17:12:30] | wagnerrp: | theyre just the one you dont have to put any thought into |
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| [17:16:32] | clever: | only reason i can see for a VM would be to reinstall mythtv without shuting down, and even then just a seperate root would do |
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| [17:16:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems the tool with the 'dragon' system is now selling it on mythtvtalk |
| [17:17:58] | wagnerrp: | sadly, there dont seem to be any documented rules against such there |
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| [17:19:32] | iamlindoro: | Maybe someone should tell him that his system is horribly out of date and shouldn't be considered, at all, for any modern myth system |
| [17:21:45] | wagnerrp: | why would you buy a discrete sound card with spdif? |
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| [17:22:17] | wagnerrp: | i mean any motherboard made in recent history has such outputs |
| [17:22:34] | wagnerrp: | and the only advantage a discrete card gets you is electrical isolation for analog output |
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| [17:26:08] | iamlindoro: | There, submitted my snarky reply |
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| [17:27:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, really |
| [17:27:34] | Beirdo: | try ebay, you silly user |
| [17:27:43] | wagnerrp: | it is on ebay |
| [17:27:47] | Beirdo: | can always scam SOMEONE on ebay |
| [17:27:48] | wagnerrp: | hes linking us to his auction |
| [17:27:49] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [17:27:52] | Beirdo: | idiot |
| [17:27:56] | iamlindoro: | $100 for that system is stupid, though |
| [17:28:01] | iamlindoro: | that hardware isn't worth near that now |
| [17:28:10] | iamlindoro: | maybe if he parts it out, but certainly not as a group |
| [17:28:12] | Beirdo: | $100 including shipping might be worth it |
| [17:28:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:28:23] | Beirdo: | I hope he's far far away though |
| [17:28:45] | Beirdo: | it's a better box than my devel/test POS |
| [17:28:58] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [17:29:01] | Beirdo: | but I put a total of $80 into that... for RAM |
| [17:29:09] | Beirdo: | the machine was free |
| [17:29:11] | iamlindoro: | Your devel box has a worse GPU than a generic 64 MB video card? |
| [17:29:22] | Beirdo: | heh, it has no GPU currently |
| [17:29:31] | Beirdo: | well, onboard crap |
| [17:29:34] | iamlindoro: | oh, I guess it's a 6200... still garbage, though |
| [17:29:53] | Beirdo: | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| [17:29:53] | wagnerrp: | when you consider mine was repurposed from an old desktop, i suppose you could say mine cost nothing |
| [17:30:26] | Beirdo: | but it was mainly for testing compiling in 32-bit |
| [17:30:38] | Beirdo: | and heck. it was free :) |
| [17:31:10] | Beirdo: | it needs a USB-connected stick of C4 to make a good upgrade though |
| [17:31:21] | Beirdo: | trainign time |
| [17:31:29] | Beirdo: | I get to get trained how to be respectful |
| [17:31:32] | Beirdo: | be back later |
| [17:31:36] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: whats the link for the IRC log? |
| [17:31:47] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [17:31:47] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [17:31:54] | skd5aner: | thanks |
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| [17:38:58] | skd5aner: | great, the pastebin I needed expired :( |
| [17:39:00] | skd5aner: | oh well |
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| [17:47:08] | johnnyj: | do i need to reset mythweather in some way if i moved from .23 to trunk? |
| [17:47:25] | johnnyj: | it seems to hang on the first screen when I go into it |
| [17:47:26] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [17:51:00] | johnnyj: | what are all these in the logs – No copyright widget found, skipping screen Animated Map. ? |
| [17:51:26] | wagnerrp: | it means you need to update your theme |
| [17:51:54] | wagnerrp: | the weather data provider for those images requires that any use of them be accompanied by their copyright |
| [17:51:58] | johnnyj: | if i had manually installed blue-abstract-wide... |
| [17:52:15] | wagnerrp: | since the theme doesnt have one, mythweather refuses to display the image |
| [17:54:06] | skd5aner: | sphery: ping |
| [17:55:25] | schaze: | hi all, I am having trouble with the mythtv python bindings (v 0.23.1) – I am not able to use MythData.ftpopen/Filetransfer to access coverfiles in the Coverart storage group |
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| [17:55:39] | schaze: | anyone able to help me out? trying since hours but I cannot identifiy the problem |
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| [17:56:00] | schaze: | the connection to the backend works, but the backend complains it cannot find the file (even though its there – and it works for the normal frontend) |
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| [17:56:34] | wagnerrp: | ftpopen? |
| [17:57:04] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to manually call 'ftopen', or are you using Video.openCoverart()? |
| [17:57:05] | schaze: | ftopen – type |
| [17:57:28] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: hey, that's a clever approach with the copyright stuff – nice :) |
| [17:57:28] | schaze: | I am trying to call ftopen manually |
| [17:57:33] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [17:58:25] | schaze: | I want to cache the coverfile file locally and also resize it in order to send it to a android device |
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| [17:58:48] | schaze: | is ftopen not supposed to be used directly? |
| [17:58:52] | wagnerrp: | for mythvideo? |
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| [17:59:33] | wagnerrp: | coverart only exists for mythvideo, and there is a better function to use than ftopen |
| [18:00:07] | schaze: | I want to use it for all kind of images (covers, screenshots, fanart) also for recordings, everything image related the mythbox has to offer |
| [18:01:17] | wagnerrp: | technically, recordings dont actually have covers, fanart, etc... |
| [18:01:33] | wagnerrp: | the frontend just takes a guess at where that information would exists had something else downloaded it for it |
| [18:01:57] | wagnerrp: | give me an example of what you are inputting to ftopen? |
| [18:02:20] | wagnerrp: | (since there are no baked functions for accessing them from the Recorded object, ftopen would be the correct thing to use) |
| [18:02:50] | schaze: | ok one sec |
| [18:03:21] | wagnerrp: | its expecting a standard myth URI |
| [18:03:44] | schaze: | yep I know. I give it the following: myth://Coverart@mars/data/mythtv/coverart/3396_coverart.jpg |
| [18:03:52] | wagnerrp: | myth://[group name@]<backend ip>[:port]/<path> |
| [18:04:14] | wagnerrp: | no, you need to give it the relative path to the base of the storage group |
| [18:04:18] | schaze: | the path is the absolute file path |
| [18:04:21] | schaze: | ah ok |
| [18:04:25] | wagnerrp: | myth://Coverart@mars/3396_coverart.jpg |
| [18:04:39] | schaze: | ok, trying.. |
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| [18:07:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: pong |
| [18:07:47] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info on the weather copyrights |
| [18:07:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: ah, nevermind... was going to ask for your advice on rescanning QAM channels... should I delete all? |
| [18:07:57] | skd5aner: | Or just "scan" |
| [18:08:23] | sphery: | ah... it's possible to make it work either way |
| [18:08:35] | schaze: | hm, still not working. process now dies instantly without any message displayed |
| [18:08:37] | schaze: | strange... |
| [18:08:50] | skd5aner: | sphery: they moved CBS on me, so need to rescan |
| [18:08:51] | sphery: | I just always delete all video sources so I never get any garbage in the DB, though |
| [18:09:09] | skd5aner: | k, I'll go that route |
| [18:09:14] | sphery: | oh, yeah, can't miss The Big Bang Theory... |
| [18:09:23] | sphery: | definitely back up your DB first, too |
| [18:09:31] | skd5aner: | lol, I can miss that one ;) |
| [18:09:52] | sphery: | what? |
| [18:09:57] | skd5aner: | but, would like to see if $#*t my dad says is worth it or not |
| [18:09:57] | sphery: | some people have no taste |
| [18:10:01] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [18:10:18] | skd5aner: | sphery: I can't stand over the top stereotypical geek humor I suppose – it's just, too much |
| [18:10:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:10:34] | sphery: | yeah, I can see that perspective |
| [18:10:36] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: if you dont watch the show, how will you ever learn how to take your pants off through your head? |
| [18:10:52] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I'll have your mom show me |
| [18:10:55] | skd5aner: | OHHHHHH BURN! |
| [18:10:55] | sphery: | I'm not looking forward to the my dad says one |
| [18:10:56] | skd5aner: | :D |
| [18:11:25] | skd5aner: | I already missed a few this week on CBS... don't recall off the top of my head what though |
| [18:11:57] | sphery: | heh, a community-driven beyond linus from scratch guy |
| [18:12:37] | sphery: | http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/MythTV |
| [18:12:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: maybe theyll whip together a set of scripts to make it easier |
| [18:13:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:13:19] | wagnerrp: | perhaps start releasing packaged installers that compile what you need off a disk or flash drive |
| [18:13:27] | wagnerrp: | oh wait... thats gentoo! |
| [18:13:36] | skd5aner: | cool, iamlindoro backported his scanning fixes |
| [18:13:40] | skd5aner: | svn up |
| [18:13:43] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [18:14:13] | sphery: | yeah, lfs is all the ability to break your install that Gentoo provides, but with a human submitting all the commands--so, lacking the precision of a script |
| [18:14:48] | wagnerrp: | and to be fair, even gentoo starts with a compiled 'level3' base system |
| [18:15:01] | wagnerrp: | and offers binary packages of big things like openoffice and firefox |
| [18:15:16] | sphery: | I thought there was some scratch approach that built that base, too? |
| [18:15:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you can start from a 'level1', but few people do |
| [18:16:16] | sphery: | my biggest complaint about Gentoo is the "faster because it's compiled for your system" part |
| [18:16:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i never bought into that |
| [18:17:11] | wagnerrp: | i went with the 'easier because its similar to what ive been dealing with in freebsd' |
| [18:17:15] | sphery: | yeah, there comes a time when hardware is so much more powerful than any efficiencies gained that it's negligible |
| [18:17:39] | sphery: | that's really the first time I've heard anyone with a good reason for using Gentoo |
| [18:17:53] | sphery: | as it is the BSD of GNU/Linux |
| [18:18:35] | schaze: | wagnerrp: Thanks, using a relative path solved it. The problem it did not work when I tried that earlier is that I use multiple threads getting the files and that is not working so well with mysql and the bindings I guess :) |
| [18:19:29] | wagnerrp: | the protocol uses locks, but in 0.23, database access does not |
| [18:19:35] | wagnerrp: | and neither do the mysql libraries |
| [18:19:47] | wagnerrp: | so as a result, database access is not thread safe |
| [18:19:58] | sphery: | so they get bound up when you try? |
| [18:20:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you end up with one query receiving results from another |
| [18:20:38] | wagnerrp: | schaze: in trunk, ive moved database access to function as a connection pool |
| [18:20:51] | wagnerrp: | cursors are not thread safe, but the 'connection' is |
| [18:21:04] | wagnerrp: | each time you open a new cursor, it pulls its own thread from the pool |
| [18:21:12] | wagnerrp: | s/thread/connection/ |
| [18:22:21] | schaze: | wagnerrp:yepp, I get 'Lost connection to MySQL server during query' errors |
| [18:22:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, wondering if i should just kill that recording |
| [18:22:38] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard anything good about it |
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| [18:23:09] | schaze: | no problem, I simply have to synchronize that then... Problem is not in mythtv binding but my cheap code :) thanks for the help |
| [18:23:21] | wagnerrp: | although with 10 recordings tonight, i still seem to not have conflicts |
| [18:23:45] | wagnerrp: | well in 0.24, it should work fine |
| [18:24:23] | wagnerrp: | 9hrs total |
| [18:24:54] | schaze: | hehe.. I want it to work with 0.23 and 0.24 – did you change the interfaces with 0.24 ? or will I have to wrap it all up in an own class before using? |
| [18:25:06] | wagnerrp: | some things have changed |
| [18:25:11] | wagnerrp: | it depends on what you want to access |
| [18:25:37] | schaze: | I will pretty much use up the whole functionality the bindings provide |
| [18:26:06] | wagnerrp: | well a lot of the database access stuff has changed to using generators, rather than just supplying lists |
| [18:26:48] | schaze: | ok, thats actually no problem – in fact I am glad to hear that. should speed up access quite a bit |
| [18:27:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre just waiting on mysql at that point |
| [18:27:17] | wagnerrp: | not for the bindings to process each result |
| [18:27:47] | wagnerrp: | other database access classes are streamlined |
| [18:27:57] | schaze: | I notice that when retrieving big amounts of guide data |
| [18:27:59] | wagnerrp: | the referenced and crossreferenced data is much improved |
| [18:28:04] | schaze: | takes ages |
| [18:28:18] | wagnerrp: | (markup, seekdata, cast members, etc...) |
| [18:28:49] | schaze: | ok, I am already excited. :) |
| [18:29:17] | schaze: | gtg now. thanks for your help and also for the bindings! love them! |
| [18:29:23] | wagnerrp: | although right now, im having problems with the socket code |
| [18:29:48] | wagnerrp: | the event handler thread is getting hosed |
| [18:29:55] | schaze: | is the code already on svn? |
| [18:30:09] | wagnerrp: | its always been on svn |
| [18:30:34] | wagnerrp: | and about half documented on the wiki |
| [18:30:55] | schaze: | saw the wiki – but didn't check svn for a long time... |
| [18:32:19] | Gibby: | paul-h: do you have lag time when you are in live player from a FE? |
| [18:32:36] | schaze: | in which file is the eventhandler? |
| [18:32:51] | wagnerrp: | its part of the socket code |
| [18:33:15] | wagnerrp: | you feed it a function and a regular expression |
| [18:33:32] | wagnerrp: | if it receives the regular expression, it runs the function |
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| [18:34:30] | frojnd: | Hello there |
| [18:34:32] | wagnerrp: | the problem is some issue with how im handling the timeouts in the socket code |
| [18:35:02] | frojnd: | Can someone suggest a great dvb-t usb tuner? |
| [18:35:02] | schaze: | just to be clear, you mean the deadlinesocket class, right? |
| [18:35:20] | frojnd: | I'm looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices but I'd like to hear from you guys :) |
| [18:37:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:37:23] | wagnerrp: | that thing is a bit of a mess |
| [18:37:51] | wagnerrp: | its only real purpose is to maintain a constant timeout against multiple socket calls |
| [18:38:13] | wagnerrp: | so if you run a backend command with a timeout of 5 seconds, it will return within 5 seconds |
| [18:38:34] | wagnerrp: | even if it pulls a bunch of events in the mean time |
| [18:38:34] | schaze: | ah, ok. now i understand for what it is. |
| [18:39:18] | wagnerrp: | i should probably push all event handling into the alternate thread |
| [18:39:36] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, that could cause problems if handling take considerable time |
| [18:39:56] | schaze: | you seperate sending and receiving in 2 threads? |
| [18:40:05] | schaze: | ~mean |
| [18:40:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm getting 2 conflicts... CSI (which conflicted all last season, too, but since the re-run most of it throughout the summer, meh), and My Generation (which sounds like maybe a good conflict to have) |
| [18:40:35] | wagnerrp: | right now, anything will run an event handler |
| [18:41:10] | wagnerrp: | the event thread itself will poll the socket for new events every 100ms |
| [18:41:25] | wagnerrp: | but if you manually run a backendcommand, and while waiting for a response, a new event comes in |
| [18:41:32] | wagnerrp: | your thread will handle the event |
| [18:41:39] | wagnerrp: | rather than pushing it off to the event handler thread |
| [18:41:54] | wagnerrp: | so if handling that event takes longer than the timeout |
| [18:41:59] | wagnerrp: | you will never receive your response |
| [18:42:27] | wagnerrp: | but the real issue im dealing with is i seem to be sending negative waits to the select() function |
| [18:42:32] | wagnerrp: | causing it to fail |
| [18:42:50] | schaze: | hm.. ok. I am not sure yet why you want to receive pushed eevents from the backend in a socket connection opened for command requests |
| [18:43:05] | wagnerrp: | because the socket is a pipe |
| [18:43:06] | schaze: | is the announce monitor 0|1 changed for 0.24? |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | if i query the backend, it will send a response down the pipe |
| [18:43:50] | wagnerrp: | but it will also send unsolicited events down that same pipe |
| [18:44:01] | wagnerrp: | if an event comes before the requested response, it must be handled |
| [18:44:51] | schaze: | ok I think I see where you are getting. I will have to take some time to look at the whole code, so you wont have to explain every singe bit... But not today... Beer is waiting, have to leave now :) |
| [18:45:02] | wagnerrp: | have fun |
| [18:45:07] | schaze: | thanks ;) |
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| [18:46:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news- . . . ---More.html "think people now recognise what a smart decision it was to keep the pricing low [by not including Blu-Ray support in XBox 360]and actually Blu-ray is going to be passed by as a format. People have moved through from DVDs to digital downloads and digital streaming, so we offer full HD ... |
| [18:46:22] | sphery: | ... 1080p Blu-ray quality streaming instantly, no download, no delay. So, who needs Blu-ray?" |
| [18:47:01] | iamlindoro: | Anyone who realizes that resolution and quality are not the same thing ;) |
| [18:47:14] | sphery: | but 1080 p's |
| [18:47:22] | sphery: | how many p's do you need? |
| [18:47:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so were getting 25mbps streams over xbox live? |
| [18:48:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: stands to reason |
| [18:48:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i didnt thing My Generation looked too interesting |
| [18:48:24] | wagnerrp: | not recording it |
| [18:48:48] | sphery: | I'm recording it... I considered not. But I'll enjoy deleting it without watching it in a while. |
| [18:49:09] | wagnerrp: | although looks like greys anatomy and private practice werent recording (record on this channel issues) |
| [18:49:15] | wagnerrp: | mom wouldnt have liked that |
| [18:49:16] | sphery: | Then again, if it's the one that I never would have recorded that everyone says is great and I watch and enjoy, I'll hate my system. |
| [18:49:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:49:51] | wagnerrp: | up to 10.5hrs tonight |
| [18:49:58] | wagnerrp: | still no conflicts |
| [18:50:22] | wagnerrp: | horray for QAM support |
| [18:50:46] | sphery: | I have 2 conflicts (8 and 9pm) with 4 tuners |
| [18:50:52] | sphery: | 4 physical tuners |
| [18:50:55] | sphery: | and only ota |
| [18:50:56] | wagnerrp: | ive only got 3 physical |
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| [18:53:05] | sphery: | if you're recording Grey's, how do you have no conflicts with Fringe/Greay's/Nikita/The Office (and Outsourced) from 9–10? |
| [18:53:17] | wagnerrp: | QAM |
| [18:53:21] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [18:53:32] | sphery: | multirec across networks |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | [14:50] <wagnerrp> horray for QAM support |
| [18:53:45] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:53:50] | sphery: | so I'm slow :) |
| [18:56:53] | frojnd: | noone replaid to my q. :P what dvb-t (usb) do you suggest? :) |
| [18:57:12] | wagnerrp: | the three of us are all north american |
| [18:57:14] | wagnerrp: | we dont use dvb-t |
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| [18:57:21] | frojnd: | oh ok :) |
| [18:57:34] | wagnerrp: | nor do any of use use USB tuners for that matter |
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| [19:00:02] | marc_us: | sphery: No worries in case of conflicts... ah memories of ReplayTV |
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| [19:01:43] | wagnerrp: | smallville is still running? what is that, like 10 seasons now? |
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| [19:03:05] | marc_us: | Last season this year |
| [19:03:14] | marc_us: | for Smallvile |
| [19:03:16] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: just svn upped .23-fixes, tried to compile plugins and I see mythweather is disabled because it's missing XML::XPath and DateTime::Format::ISO8601 – was that backported functionality? If so, I'll be sure to add it to the pre-req list on 0.24's release notes |
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| [19:04:58] | iamlindoro: | No, it's just checking prerequisites that already existed |
| [19:05:21] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ok, even though it'd let me build and run mythweather without them in the past? |
| [19:05:37] | iamlindoro: | yes. It let you build it, but your install was semi-broken |
| [19:05:43] | skd5aner: | 10–4 |
| [19:05:54] | skd5aner: | glad the check is in there now |
| [19:06:00] | skd5aner: | very helpful! :) |
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| [19:06:56] | wagnerrp: | mythweather itself would work, but the grabber scripts would silently fail |
| [19:07:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, this is the year Smallville will pass Stargate SG-1 as the longest-consecutive-running SciFi series ever |
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| [19:08:31] | wagnerrp: | dr who doesnt count? |
| [19:08:56] | wagnerrp: | is it technically a new series every time they restart with a new doctor? |
| [19:09:11] | sphery: | don't know how that works |
| [19:09:19] | sphery: | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/09/smallvil . . . orld-record/ talks about it |
| [19:09:40] | wagnerrp: | i think futurama already has them both beat |
| [19:09:44] | Beirdo: | and did Dr. Who have a break between doctors of at least one "season"? |
| [19:09:55] | sphery: | it's by total number of episodes, not seasons, though--how big are Dr Who seasons? |
| [19:09:56] | wagnerrp: | after all, it first aired in 99 |
| [19:10:04] | Beirdo: | futurama isn't consecutive-running |
| [19:10:06] | sphery: | it's the consecutive part that makes Futurama not count |
| [19:10:09] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [19:10:12] | sphery: | Beirdo is fast |
| [19:10:17] | sphery: | must be feeling better :) |
| [19:10:21] | Beirdo: | only sometimes :) |
| [19:10:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, feeling better... and at work |
| [19:10:28] | sphery: | here's some good news for Beirdo : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/23/ipv6_adoption/ |
| [19:10:55] | sphery: | no one else is gaining the expertise, so he'll be a rare commodity when everyone else is scrambling to get IPv6 after the implosion |
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| [19:11:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:11:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:11:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/03/smallvi . . . orld-record/ |
| [19:12:03] | sphery: | (Of course, with the nearly 50-year-old Doctor Who in the mix, that title [of Longest Consecutive Running Sci-Fi TV Show] should be qualified with "continuously produced" or "in North America.") |
| [19:12:03] | Beirdo: | http://www.smallville-sucks.com ? |
| [19:12:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:12:38] | sphery: | I'm on season 6 of Smallville |
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| [19:12:45] | sphery: | it's not bad, but it's not SG-1 |
| [19:13:00] | sphery: | I know SG-1, and you, sir, are no SG-1. |
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| [19:13:27] | wagnerrp: | i used to watch it but... i really just started to hate the characters |
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| [19:14:03] | wagnerrp: | they turned into a bunch of conniving bastards |
| [19:14:07] | sphery: | yeah, that's becoming a problem |
| [19:14:16] | sphery: | (becoming as I"m on S6) |
| [19:14:26] | wagnerrp: | its like every other show on CW, but with superpowers |
| [19:14:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think 6 was about when i killed it |
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| [19:15:17] | sphery: | at this point, though, I can't stop watching it--too much invested :) |
| [19:15:32] | wagnerrp: | hey, thats what i thought too, and with heroes |
| [19:15:36] | sphery: | though I wouldn't mind a Unit-style save... |
| [19:15:39] | wagnerrp: | but look how those turned out |
| [19:17:12] | sphery: | (The last season of The Unit resulted in only 2 or 3 episodes recording in totality, and all others were delayed by around 40 minutes. So, I watched the whole season in 2 evenings at 1.5x. It actually worked better seeing the beginning of every episode since the show was so predictable, I could imagine the end (and it was confirmed in the "Previously on The Unit" the next episode).) |
| [19:17:34] | sphery: | Usually I curse football for that kind of thing, but here, it wasn't bad |
| [19:18:11] | ** skd5aner misses The Unit ** | |
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| [19:18:45] | sphery: | I'll admit that with Heroes I would hold far less of a grudge against the show had I just stopped watching before they shut it down. |
| [19:18:56] | skd5aner: | also, same thing with me and my wife... we really couldn't stand Heros after a while, but fealt we had to see it through :/ |
| [19:19:35] | skd5aner: | Anyone catch the premier of "The Event" |
| [19:19:38] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [19:19:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [19:19:56] | wagnerrp: | skip it, and just watch the last five minutes |
| [19:20:09] | wagnerrp: | you dont need all the backstory |
| [19:20:19] | iamlindoro: | heh, wasn't much backstory anyway |
| [19:20:22] | wagnerrp: | hopefully they dont continue will excessive backstory in the show |
| [19:20:35] | iamlindoro: | Just a disjointed series of flash-forwards/backwards/right/left |
| [19:20:45] | wagnerrp: | youre right, there wasnt a lot of back story, but sure did they spend a lot of time on it |
| [19:21:03] | sphery: | speaking of which, did Flash Forward get canned? |
| [19:21:08] | skd5aner: | I wonder if it's going to be a semi Heros spin off |
| [19:21:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: yes |
| [19:21:17] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the event? |
| [19:21:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I watched the whole thing |
| [19:21:32] | sphery: | couldn't remember if it got resurrected or not |
| [19:21:34] | skd5aner: | the jumping back and forth go annoying |
| [19:21:40] | skd5aner: | got |
| [19:21:44] | wagnerrp: | i didnt see any kind of super powers |
| [19:21:49] | wagnerrp: | although i called aliens |
| [19:22:00] | wagnerrp: | like a third of the way through |
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| [19:22:04] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: the last 5 minutes? alien or not, still "super powers" |
| [19:22:08] | iamlindoro: | I think it's humans |
| [19:22:40] | iamlindoro: | specifically, humans developing whatever abilities and being locked up in Alaska to prevent the secret getting out/them causing whatever harm |
| [19:22:51] | iamlindoro: | But we'll see, I guess |
| [19:22:59] | skd5aner: | Just a little too much of a coincidence they used the same guy from Heros who was responsible for "rounding them up" and here we have a bunch of people or aliens that have been "rounded up" |
| [19:23:25] | iamlindoro: | They can use the guy, so long as they don't use the writers |
| [19:23:45] | skd5aner: | If "Dr. Suresh" is recast as anyone – recording rule gets deleted |
| [19:25:38] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: about to try out your backported channel scanner fixes here in a sec :) |
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| [20:41:22] | bobnvic: | I've just upgraded to trunk and I've configured my storage groups as given on the wiki, however my master backend is trying to record to a directory that is only on the slave backend. Anyone have any ideas? |
| [20:42:25] | wagnerrp: | the folder exists on your master backend, otherwise mythbackend would simply skip it and move onto the next directory |
| [20:42:38] | wagnerrp: | its also defined on your master backend |
| [20:42:51] | wagnerrp: | as the master only pulls from its own groups |
| [20:43:01] | wagnerrp: | fallthrough only goes master to slave, not the other way around |
| [20:43:04] | bobnvic: | it is defined on the master backend, however it doesn't exist there, only on the slave |
| [20:45:07] | bobnvic: | when I list the storage group directories in mythtv-setup then exit it gives the warning that /var/tv and /var/tv2 don't exist and asks about changing them, however, since I expect this I continue. |
| [20:45:31] | wagnerrp: | if they dont exist, the backend wont try to record to them |
| [20:46:37] | bobnvic: | I realize that is the way it is supposed to work, however that isn't what I'm seeing |
| [20:46:57] | bobnvic: | it only seems to occur with my HDhomerun |
| [20:47:37] | larrikin: | I'm having programs record/transcode/flag then expire all in sequence.. nice |
| [20:48:43] | bobnvic: | please see the log snippets at http://pastebin.com/chzbkME7 |
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| [20:50:40] | wagnerrp: | bobnvic: is it actually failing to record? |
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| [20:56:00] | bobnvic: | wagnerrp, yes – no file at all |
| [20:57:09] | bobnvic: | wagnerrp, this only happens when I have the slave backend running, otherwise it doesn't try to use those directories. |
| [20:57:30] | bobnvic: | wagnerrp, the slave backend works fine |
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| [21:10:19] | bobnvic: | another problem I'm having is that I have the mysql server on the slave backend. the master backend will connect to the db server correctly, then when it is starting a commflag it will try to connect the mysql server at the master backend's ip address instead of the correct ip address. I never saw this issue before upgrading to trunk today. |
| [21:10:44] | wagnerrp: | why would you put the sql server on the slave backend? |
| [21:11:10] | iamlindoro: | That issue is cause by whichever user is running commflagging finding a mysql.txt or config.xml file that points it at the wrong DB server |
| [21:11:12] | wagnerrp: | it will try to connect to where ever the config.xml in HOME/.mythtv/ directory points it |
| [21:12:30] | bobnvic: | the slave doesn't record much so the impact is much less than putting it on the master backend (I dont' have a separate spindle on the computer from the recording drives) |
| [21:12:54] | bobnvic: | I define the DBHostaddress in the mysql.txt |
| [21:13:06] | wagnerrp: | and the config.xml? |
| [21:13:09] | bobnvic: | I'll look for a config.xml file to see if it differs |
| [21:13:20] | bobnvic: | dang you're too fast at the typign |
| [21:14:42] | iamlindoro: | You need to make sure that *every* mysql.txt and config.xml on the entire system points at the right DB server |
| [21:14:43] | bobnvic: | .mythtv/config.xml is correct |
| [21:14:54] | iamlindoro: | not just the one in the folder you expect it to be checking |
| [21:15:20] | wagnerrp: | ugh |
| [21:15:27] | wagnerrp: | ive got some fixes im trying to commit |
| [21:15:46] | wagnerrp: | im trying to pull them out of my local branch (with new features) into trunk |
| [21:15:55] | wagnerrp: | the diffs are identical, but one works, the other doesnt |
| [21:15:59] | wagnerrp: | baffling... |
| [21:19:21] | bobnvic: | There is only one mysql.txt and one config.xml file ea and they are in my .mythtv dir |
| [21:19:52] | wagnerrp: | so the backend runs under your user account? |
| [21:20:23] | bobnvic: | yes |
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| [21:29:16] | skd5aner: | !url logs |
| [21:29:16] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [21:31:01] | bobnvic: | OK, now I tried LiveTV and got mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x09e4b331 *** this is a bug or bad memory? |
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| [21:39:14] | sphery: | bobnvic: would take a backtrace to tell: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
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| [21:42:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I do that with patches, too... When I find a "what's the diff" issue like that, I can't drop it until I find why it's failing. |
| [21:42:50] | sphery: | it's always rewarding once you finally find it |
| [21:43:48] | sphery: | bobnvic: also, your storage group/directory situation sounds like some hostname/IP address confusion in your configuration |
| [21:44:30] | sphery: | check the hostname override in all config.xml and mysql.txt files on both systems and check the IP addresses in mythtv-setup on both systems |
| [21:45:29] | bobnvic: | sphery, I've checked all those but didn't see any incorrect. it has to be hiding somewhere though. |
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| [21:51:23] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: FYI yasm is not a new requirement for an optimal libav build, and we definitely cannot go listing that people should go out and get libaacs (and it's not dynamically linked or linked in any way) |
| [21:51:36] | iamlindoro: | I am removing both from the release notes |
| [21:51:37] | skd5aner: | I think stuartm added that |
| [21:51:54] | skd5aner: | actually, i think he added both of those |
| [21:51:56] | iamlindoro: | OK, then he can come after me if he objects :) |
| [21:52:00] | skd5aner: | np :) |
| [21:52:37] | skd5aner: | I just put a call out to all devs a few days ago to add anything to that section that I might have missed, and those were 2 of the ones he added – please feel free to add/edit/delete that section as needed |
| [21:53:37] | skd5aner: | I thought it'd be nice to have a "quick hit" list of any pre-reqs that have changed since the last release – I know for several previous releases a lot of time it was trial and error to figure it out |
| [21:54:35] | iamlindoro: | Perhaps more aptly, libaacs can be added at any time (like libdvdcss) and isn't necessary at install time |
| [21:55:01] | iamlindoro: | so when/if people decide to do that, they can just compile and install it |
| [21:55:17] | iamlindoro: | And libbluray will just do the right thing with it if there |
| [21:56:18] | iamlindoro: | To me, thought, the bigger issue is not wanting to suggest that everyone who builds myth go out and get/install it-- let them do the legwork if it means being a bit safer |
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| [21:57:06] | iamlindoro: | er though |
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| [23:21:09] | nichos: | hi all, im having some strangeness when setting recordings. I go to the guide, tell it to record a show weekly, scroll all the way around, and it says it won't record |
| [23:21:19] | nichos: | if I go to menu-upcoming recordings, it's not there |
| [23:21:25] | nichos: | but if I go to recoding rules, i see it |
| [23:21:51] | nichos: | if it matters, I have 4 tuners, on 2 cards |
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| [23:23:47] | pyther: | Hello If I force a conflict recording will it record over the other recordings? |
| [23:24:23] | nichos: | not over, but instead |
| [23:24:35] | pyther: | ok, perfect |
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| [23:28:13] | nichos: | but when i schedule from mythweb, it works |
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| [23:30:49] | kormoc: | did you give time for the Scheduler to run? |
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| [23:31:34] | BobLfoot: | anyone know of a good transcode for myth recorded programs to mtv/amv format files for these new cheap oriental video players? |
| [23:32:55] | wagnerrp: | amv? |
| [23:33:02] | wagnerrp: | mtv? |
| [23:33:06] | wagnerrp: | never heard of either of them |
| [23:33:07] | Beirdo: | vh1? |
| [23:33:42] | kormoc: | only AMV I know of is the Anime Music Video tag folks put on illegally acquired media |
| [23:33:45] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest you just by a full PC like the normal people |
| [23:34:12] | BobLfoot: | they are "newer" formats for cheap china produced players according to wikipedia |
| [23:34:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no its not, turns out it was a bad copy/paste |
| [23:34:26] | BobLfoot: | see www.cobyusa.com |
| [23:34:30] | wagnerrp: | i diffed the diff, i was using the wrong variable in one place |
| [23:34:45] | Beirdo: | Coby?! |
| [23:35:04] | kormoc: | youch |
| [23:35:05] | wagnerrp: | why does everyone need their own format, when there are plenty of perfectly good ones available |
| [23:35:08] | ** Beirdo wonders why anyone would choose to waste money on thier crap ** | |
| [23:35:10] | BobLfoot: | yeah Beirdo is there a history there? |
| [23:35:22] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMV_video_format |
| [23:35:29] | kormoc: | it has to play on a z80 cpu |
| [23:35:38] | kormoc: | and is max of 208x176x16 |
| [23:35:43] | BobLfoot: | Beirdo: no money free gift |
| [23:35:56] | kormoc: | that's *horrible* resolution |
| [23:36:11] | wagnerrp: | 'the video format is a variant of a motion jpeg...' |
| [23:36:20] | wagnerrp: | seriously, dont buy |
| [23:36:29] | Beirdo: | "free gift". hehe |
| [23:36:37] | wagnerrp: | theres a reason it was free |
| [23:36:40] | kormoc: | BobLfoot, http://code.google.com/p/amv-codec-tools/ |
| [23:36:42] | nichos: | has anyone had problems scheduling recordings from the front end? they dont show up in the guide when i tell them to |
| [23:36:46] | Beirdo: | good, then you should feel free to use it as a doorstop, I guess |
| [23:36:55] | kormoc: | nichos, did you give the scheduler time to run? |
| [23:37:36] | nichos: | kormoc – i found a show strarting in 30 minutes, i'm not familiar with the schedular |
| [23:37:41] | kormoc: | using a processor from 1976 to decode video.... |
| [23:37:42] | Beirdo: | tiny flippin resolution. why bother |
| [23:37:56] | kormoc: | nichos, give it a few minutes and check to see if it's scheduled? |
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| [23:38:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: hey now, TI only dropped them from their calculators 10 years ago |
| [23:38:28] | Beirdo: | kormoc: to be fair, it says a variant :) maybe it sucks faster somehow... |
| [23:38:53] | nichos: | kormoc – thanks, I wasn't aware that's how it worked. What if I tell a show that started in 2 minutes to record, will it catch it? or does it only happen when you do something "fancy" like every week at this time |
| [23:39:48] | kormoc: | nichos, it depends on how long it takes to run. For me, it takes ~20 seconds to complete a run, depending on how many shows/channels/rules/etc, it can be faster or slower |
| [23:40:23] | nichos: | kormoc are there any settings for it's frequency? |
| [23:41:42] | kormoc: | nichos, no, it runs after a recording finishes or when you update rules, so it runs as often as it needs to already |
| [23:41:59] | nichos: | ok, ill keep an eye on it |
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| [23:42:35] | nichos: | kormoc – one last thing if you would. What i did was pick a show starting in 30 min, marked it as weekly and it did so in the guide. i went all the way "around" the guide, when I came back it wasn't marked |
| [23:42:37] | nichos: | is this normal? |
| [23:43:07] | kormoc: | I wouldn't know, perhaps sphery or iamlindoro are around |
| [23:44:07] | nichos: | thanks, I'll hang out & see if they chime in |
| [23:44:16] | ** nichos can't take any more abuse from his GF for missed shows ** | |
| [23:45:07] | ** Beirdo makes the sound of a bull-whip ** | |
| [23:45:24] | ** nichos smells his finger "Meh, worth it" ** | |
| [23:45:38] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:45:45] | nichos: | lol |
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