Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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neztiti1:

wagnerrp: i have 2 ubuntu on my pc – i have one mythtv works fine but the second not – i copyed paste the files from the first ubuntu to the secont and this error happent after

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kisak:

neztiti1: to some people, copy/pasting like that is comparable to contaminating the build (of linux)

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neztiti1:

yes sure man

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neztiti1:

now how to fix the problem

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kisak:

does the first frontend work?

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Gibby:

neztiti1: are you using autobuilds?

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wagnerrp:

neztiti1: like we said, you have a version mismatch

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wagnerrp:

but as that is not an error out of mythtv, but from some other tool

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wagnerrp:

we dont know whether the software is schema 1254, or the database is 1254

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neztiti1:

kisak: i have now updating more than 1400 files in var/lib/mythtv/recording

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wagnerrp:

one or the other must be updated to match

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you in?

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neztiti1:

its mysql error u think??

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, somewhat

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neztiti1:

Gibby: i installed it from synaptic

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Beirdo:

k. I changed my date format to include the year... and the clock at the top right of Arclight doesn't show the whole year

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Beirdo:

err, whole time

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, it does using the date format I use, including whole time

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Gibby:

nextiti1: install the autobuilds and do an upgradge to 0.23.1 on all should fix it

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Beirdo:

if it's 12:30 AM

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Beirdo:

it didn't for me yesterday anyways

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iamlindoro:

If it's any time

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Beirdo:

K, I'll see if I can't snapshot it when it's odd.. was just wondering if it was a known thing, or just somehow my setup. heh

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Beirdo:

looks good right now, but in like 5h, it may not

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, It is only designed to fit the date format I use-- anything else is a "hope it works for you"

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neztiti1:

Gibby: from where man to install it or how

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Beirdo:

K

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wagnerrp:

neztiti1: youre running ubuntu on both machines?

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Gibby:

neztiti1: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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wagnerrp:

yeah, absolutely use the package manager

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iamlindoro:

Olivia Munn on Chuck? Yes, Please

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wagnerrp:

oof... error in the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

in a place i havent touched in ~8 months

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wagnerrp:

worse yet, in code that has been completely rewritten because i considered it cludgy and awful

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wagnerrp:

why is the 0.23-fixes milestone closed?

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wagnerrp:

WTF

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wagnerrp:

whats with #8984

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wagnerrp:

suffers the same problem as #8922

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wagnerrp:

even references that specific ticket in the title

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wagnerrp:

except... hes got a traceback on a line that does not exist

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sphery:

wagnerrp: could it be related to python bindings installing into the wrong location for 500 revisions?

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sphery:

so some users end up using older revs of the bindings?

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wagnerrp:

no, misread it

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wagnerrp:

i had fixed jamu, mirobridge was left broken

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sphery:

ahhh

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russell5:

quick question i am using mythbuntu and i just compiled trunk form soure and wanted to use that instead of the repos. how do i set mythbackend to starton boot?

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wagnerrp:

apparently DVRs are having problems recording '$..! My Dad Says'

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Because they don't have flux capacitors?

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wagnerrp:

seems your average DVR cant use regular expressions and wildcard searches

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wagnerrp:

thats the headline CBS just had on their news blurb

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wagnerrp:

'trouble finding new cbs comedy on your dvr'

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iamlindoro:

ah, a search thing maybe

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

that's what they get for using those characters

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Beirdo:

jsut call it "Crap"

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Beirdo:

and move on... but no, they had to push the limit :)

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wagnerrp:

they could have named it 'shite my dad says'

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wagnerrp:

the extra 'e' makes it quaint, and acceptable

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Crap woulda still been more acceptable... especially in the Bible Belt, I'd bet

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** Beirdo violates Intel's written TOS for the use of the i7 Core inside sticker **

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Beirdo:

I put it on the back of the box instead of the front bezel. ooooh

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fedorared:

Mine's on the side, gasp

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Beirdo:

oh no, they'll sue us!

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Beirdo:

idiotic that they specify it MUST be on the front bezel

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure my C2 sticker is in a garbage dump, along with several of my AMD stickers

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Beirdo:

otherwise they consider it trademark infringement

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

idiots

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Beirdo:

now, if I stuck it on a 386 or other underperforming machine, I could see some potential damage claims

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Beirdo:

but must be on the front? come on

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wagnerrp:

only if you tried to sell it

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Beirdo:

yeah, it doesn't say that though

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Beirdo:

so even if you make a video on youtube they could chase you should they want to

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Beirdo:

but for sure if you sold...

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Beirdo:

I feel like finding an Intel lawyer and sticking it on the dude's forehead

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sqiush102:

today i record quite a few series and watch them only once the season is over. I tell the FE to automatically skip and it does a pretty good job. I am worried that I am going to run out of disk space. is there a (easy) way to transcode to h264, taking out comercials, but leave them in the watch recordings area with the normal functionality of mythtv? if there is, i'll try find it in wiki

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: we could start doing something like ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

make the next proto rev 'aroused_anteater'

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** wagnerrp tries to find a synonym starting with b **

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[R]:

sqiush102: mythtranscode... its covered in the wiki

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sqiush102:

thanks [R], so i have the bookmark facility and delete facility etc

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sqiush102:

as i know i can transcode and put it under mythvideo, but i wanted it to stay as recordings so i can use multiple FE's and watch from one and go to other

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[R]:

[06:38:45] [R] sqiush102: mythtranscode... its covered in the wiki

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** sqiush102 reading now, thx **

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, bondage bear?

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wagnerrp:

thats a good one

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iamlindoro:

I still suggest Imploding Imp given recent stability "improvements"

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wagnerrp:

but theres no innuendo there

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wagnerrp:

ooh... engorged elephant

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wagnerrp:

randy rhinoceros

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sqiush102:

[R] looks like mythtranscode will remove commercials, but leave in mpeg. can i do that and transcode to h264?

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[R]:

h264 is mpeg...

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sqiush102:

ok, i'm confused a little. my understanding was h264 was a different encoding algorthm and could make the 5gig 1 hour files to about 1 gig with similar quality

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode will not output to h264

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wagnerrp:

it will only clip to mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

and it support full transcode to rtjpeg or mpeg4asp

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iamlindoro:

heh, H.264 is a good codec, but only the blind think that it's at 20% the bitrate of MPEG-2

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Beirdo:

H.264 is MPEG4 part 10

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iamlindoro:

s/it's/it's as good/

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Beirdo:

which ain't the same as MPEG-2 :)

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wagnerrp:

sqiush102: internet pirates made you think you could compress a 44min show to 1GB

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sqiush102:

ok thanks, i'm better informed now, so i should rephrase my question then

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wagnerrp:

likely exactly sized to fit four on a DVD

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wagnerrp:

they seem to like those completely arbitrary size decisions

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

you /should/ completely ignore the resultant size

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wagnerrp:

and just set a blind quantizer for the encoder

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iamlindoro:

Transcoding for archival is dumb anyway... It's one thing if you need it to follow certain parameters for your playback device, but disk is way too cheap to transcode and store

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wagnerrp:

set the quantizer and processing options to the quality you want, let the file size fall where it may

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[R]:

i still need to write my patch :(

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[R]:

i should stop procrastinating

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sphery:

why transcoding for archival makes no sense: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514

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Beirdo:

sphery: s/no/very little/ and I'm right there with ya

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Beirdo:

oh, and *offline* archiving :)

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Beirdo:

keeping em on big disks is still archiving :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you mean... with a hard drive you stick in a box with desiccant?

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Beirdo:

haha

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Beirdo:

that's not a bad idea :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

must buy a safe...

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Beirdo:

(just kidding, I'm not that insane)

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wagnerrp:

not much more expensive than DVDRs, much cheaper than DVDDLRs or BDRs

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wagnerrp:

and you dont have to deal with swapping hundreds of disks when you want to recover

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Beirdo:

s/disks/tapes/ :)

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Beirdo:

my DDS3 is out of commission now though

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wagnerrp:

well you can get some pretty massive tapes

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

you would only have to do that a few dozen times

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wagnerrp:

not hundreds

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Beirdo:

and BDR is 45GB

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Beirdo:

no?

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were 25

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Beirdo:

for system backups, those would work

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Beirdo:

let me check :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but with a disk, you could have a hundred snapshots

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Beirdo:

25G

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Beirdo:

how the heck did my brain translate that to 45G?

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Beirdo:

but of course

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Beirdo:

25G per layer. bet dual-layer BDR would be pricy :)

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bbolin:

why do i always appear to have orphaned files in my /var/lib/mythrecordings directory

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bbolin:

let me give an example -

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bbolin:

ls /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |awk -F. {'print $1'} |sort -u > dir.recordings.files

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bbolin:

i run that command on the directory

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bbolin:

i run this command on the database

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bbolin:

mysql -u root -psecret -e "use mythconverg;SELECT basename,storagegroup FROM recorded;\q"|grep Default|awk -F. {'print $1'} |sort -u > db.recordings.files

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bbolin:

the number of files should match correct?

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[R]:

bbolin: your forgetting about the png files...

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bbolin:

no that includes png files

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bbolin:

1051_20100826123000.mpg.64.100x56.png

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[R]:

not from the db...

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bbolin:

1051_20100826123000.mpg.png

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bbolin:

are examples i sort out the suffix with awk

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bbolin:

and then uniq

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[R]:

oh, sort -u

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[R]:

unique

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[R]:

bbolin: you may have orphaned png files

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tgm4883:

it seems my hdpvr is in a stuck on (recording?) state. Is there a better way to reset it or should I just powercycle it?

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bbolin:

that's my question

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[R]:

tgm4883: powercycle

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[R]:

bbolin: theres been various bugs about orphaned png files

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bbolin:

i have a home grown script to clean, but wonder why this happens

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tgm4883:

[R], ok, thats what I figured. do you know if that happens often?

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bbolin:

all the time

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[R]:

tgm4883: i never have any probelms with mine

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bbolin:

it doesn't effect anything it just makes the directory cluttered

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[R]:

cluttered? you screw around in your recrodings dir often?

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bbolin:

so others see it to?

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Beirdo:

tgm4883: do you use the IR receiver on it?

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[R]:

i've had a few in the past

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bbolin:

not sure what ir receiver on it means

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Beirdo:

bbolin: are you tgm4883?

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Beirdo:

:)

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tgm4883:

heh

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bbolin:

what is that

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bbolin:

that's another user goof

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bbolin:

:)

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Beirdo:

another user, silly

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, no, I use firewire to change channels

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Beirdo:

tgm4883: the IR receiver on the HDPVR seems to cause issues at times amongst other things

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bbolin:

don't have any receiver on the back end

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Beirdo:

K. I have mine covered with electrical tape to be careful... but yeah, power cycle time

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bbolin:

3 front ends 1 back end

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, hmm, yea i'll stick some on. thanks for the info

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Beirdo:

bbolin: I'm talking to tgm4883. Are you thinking I'm talking to you? :)

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bbolin:

of coarse

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Beirdo:

tgm4883: if you ain't using it, it can't hurt.

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Beirdo:

I think it was something with the way the I2C is polled or something. Could be completely unrelated to your freeze though

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tgm4883:

i'll go ahead and cover it up, can't hurt.

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tgm4883:

Beirdo, you ever have any issues where your hdpvr recordings don't have sound?

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Beirdo:

bbolin: not sure why your recordings dir is getting funky on you, doesn't do that here

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Beirdo:

tgm4883: not that I recall.

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tgm4883:

hmm

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bbolin:

is that a technical term?

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bbolin:

:)

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Beirdo:

had a few times when it just lost its brain and needed power cycling though

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tgm4883:

I do sometimes. Frontend tells me it's a 1ch libfaad unknown or something like that

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Beirdo:

weird

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** [R] hugs his hdpvr relay **

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tgm4883:

yea

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tgm4883:

one last question about the hdpvr, is this normal in /var/log/messages

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tgm4883:

hdpvr 1–3:1.0: untested firmware version 0x15, the driver might not work

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[R]:

yup

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Beirdo:

that's normal

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Beirdo:

and I think it may go away in future driver revs

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tgm4883:

ok, sounds good

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Beirdo:

as it's fairly tested at this point

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tgm4883:

i've taped it up, so we will see if I get that issue again

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Beirdo:

I seem to remember j-rod mumbling about that before

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Beirdo:

I think I'm running 0x12

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Beirdo:

wonder what if anything useful changed since

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[R]:

Beirdo: i think they fixed the sync for dish network receivers

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

my setup is DirecTV and I haven't seen a need to upgrade it yet

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[R]:

i updated just for the hell of it

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[R]:

no probelms before or after really

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[R]:

i love how rock solid my setup is

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Beirdo:

haha, must be prime time

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Beirdo:

recording on tuners 1, 2, 5 and 6

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Criggie:

you need more tuners

[03:01:20]

Beirdo:

of course I do

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Glee? I MUST have been drunk when I scheduled that turd

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Beirdo:

and why is it recording on the HDPVR instead of OTA?

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine what you could be recording...

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wagnerrp:

... unless of course you like dancing championships and fat people

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Beirdo:

NCIS, A-Team, Glee, Boardwalk Empire

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wagnerrp:

a-team?

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

old reruns?

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Beirdo:

RTV FTW

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

i dont get that one

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Beirdo:

it's on the same mux as NCIS OTA

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i get CW on that

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Beirdo:

ah

[03:13:26]

wagnerrp:

and boardwalk empire, never heard of that one

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Beirdo:

HBO show

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wagnerrp:

another one i dont get

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Beirdo:

haven't had a chance to actually WATCH it yet

[03:14:00]

Beirdo:

the recording yesterday failed channel changing

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Beirdo:

it's rare for me, but it does happen (hence the USB/serial)

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Beirdo:

I'll get them all hooked up after my new backend is running

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, have you heard of anyone hitting the IR extender input on DTAs directly?

[03:15:32]

Beirdo:

nope, but that doesn't mean it's not possible :)

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wagnerrp:

you know more about serial and IR than me

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Beirdo:

heh, I haven't even seen such an input

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Beirdo:

wonder what it uses protocol-wise

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wagnerrp:

its a PV cell on a cord

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Beirdo:

be pretty cool if you could run a cable straight from an mceusb into it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats what i was thinking

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wagnerrp:

its just a 2-pole 1/8" plug

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wagnerrp:

scratch that, 3-pole

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Beirdo:

might be worth trying...

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wagnerrp:

the MCEUSB ones are 2-pole

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Beirdo:

hope it don't fry crap

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats what im worried about, power levels

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wagnerrp:

you think i could get anything with a voltmeter, hooking it up to the probe and shining light at it?

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Beirdo:

well, one of those contacts is likely power from the box to the probe

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Beirdo:

one's likely ground, and the other the input

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Beirdo:

that's my bet anyways

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wagnerrp:

i assume it works like any dumb serial port IR receiver

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Beirdo:

if you could get at the wires in place while running... you could easily measure

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i could strip it

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wagnerrp:

ive only got 7 of them

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

you could "lose" one and ask for a replacement :)

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wagnerrp:

and whoops! i ran over it with the vacuum sweeper, i need a new one

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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Beirdo:

it would be cool if you could directly connect... but dunno

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wagnerrp:

well here goes

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wagnerrp:

i really hate tapping wires

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Beirdo:

you could always just tape the transmitter to the receiver with electrical tape (super lame)

[03:24:06]

wagnerrp:

why are there ads for showtime on broadcast tv?

[03:24:29]

wagnerrp:

oh yeah, werent they trying to clean up dexter to bring to CBS?

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Beirdo:

I thought so

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wagnerrp:

so ive got a black, a white, and a.... pink?

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Beirdo:

black would be ground most likely

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Beirdo:

white likely the input (receiver -> box)

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Beirdo:

and pink the power (box -> receiver)

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Beirdo:

much like a powered microphone... that would be my bet

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Beirdo:

those boxes have no firewire, no USB?

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wagnerrp:

no firewire, no usb, no baseband video

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wagnerrp:

coax in, coax out, power, and ir extender

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wagnerrp:

im debating opening one up to try to tap a baseband signal

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Beirdo:

OMG

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wagnerrp:

but ive heard it may be a single chip demod-decode-mod

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Beirdo:

I'd be wanting to test with a baseball bat

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its a piece of garbage

[03:30:22]

Beirdo:

I hope they aren't charging much for those polished turds

[03:30:51]

wagnerrp:

free (for now)

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Beirdo:

OK, that's a reasonable price

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wagnerrp:

is there any simple way to unsheathe wire? or is it just something everyone struggles with?

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Beirdo:

I have a really good tool for it somewhere

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Beirdo:

but that wouldn't help ya there

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Beirdo:

if you are super careful, an exacto-knife/scalpel can work

[03:33:08]

wagnerrp:

yeah, using a sharp pocket knife

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iamlindoro:

ugh, can we please close #8985 "use a real browser?"

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, ^

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Beirdo:

gently slit it lengthwise is my usual method

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

Closed/ThenDontDoThat

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wagnerrp:

and thats it... all three done

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wagnerrp:

far enough apart that they wont touch

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Beirdo:

good plan :)

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wagnerrp:

lets get one of these plugged in and see what happens...

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Beirdo:

well, I shouldn't jinx it...

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Beirdo:

but I'm up to Player(j)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: they already brought season 1 of Dexter to CBS (writer's strike filler)

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sphery:

I was upset when they said they wouldn't do the rest

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Beirdo:

grrrk grrrk grrrk

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

4 recordings + commflag + playback

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

note to self... do not use mouth to hold tip of 12V DC plug

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

just the tip

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[R]:

that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

ground-pink, 5V... ground-white, 3V

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Beirdo:

OK, now what if you mess with the remote?

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Beirdo:

make it receive... so much easier to do with an oscilloscope

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Beirdo:

I wish I owned one

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[R]:

i want an oscilliscope :(

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[R]:

they're only like $5k

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

you don't need the best one in the world for home use

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[R]:

i need a digital storage one

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[R]:

or else i'd go insane

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Beirdo:

get one a few models back, much cheaper

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[R]:

you should hear the shitstorm i make at work

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[R]:

if i dont get a good one

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Beirdo:

language, silly

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

you don't NEED the newest

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Beirdo:

if you get one that's even 5 years old, it would do more than enough for most home use

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[R]:

well it needs to be digital

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Beirdo:

then 10 years old

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[R]:

oh, the ones we have at work are probably super old

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Beirdo:

those have been around forever

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Beirdo:

and analog is better for some stuff

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[R]:

screw analog

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[R]:

i need my fancy cursors

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wagnerrp:

voltage seems to drop on the 3V line when there is a signal

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Beirdo:

it's likely 0–3V signal level

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wagnerrp:

ever so slightly

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wagnerrp:

no, like 2.9–3.0V

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wagnerrp:

its an analog volt meter

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wagnerrp:

i just see the dial move slightly

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Beirdo:

it's changing too fast for you to see it on an analog meter

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Beirdo:

hence the need for a scope

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wagnerrp:

of course it could be dropping to 0, and the meter just doesnt respond fast enough

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wagnerrp:

right

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Beirdo:

but if you do the same on the output of the mceusb, and it's similar...

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Beirdo:

you MAY be OK

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wagnerrp:

the MCEUSB is just a bare wire to a IR LED

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wagnerrp:

so whatever voltage those things run at

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

you might at worst need a resistor to limit current

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Beirdo:

but I'd bet that's in the base unit

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Beirdo:

I'd try it, but it's not my equipment that could get borked :)

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[R]:

electronics make my head hurt

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, this unit isnt picking up a signal

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wagnerrp:

cable signal

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Beirdo:

ick

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wagnerrp:

there is no signal on the cable line

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if this cable is bad

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wagnerrp:

because the socket is good

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wagnerrp:

or at least it was yesterday morning

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Beirdo:

OK, down to one recording. NCIS: Los Angeles

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Beirdo:

how long do failed jobs show in the status page, I wonder?

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Beirdo:

Jethro Tull... interesting band

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wagnerrp:

i need to get a compression tool

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wagnerrp:

using these compression coax cables shows me just how awful normal crimping is

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Beirdo:

gonna need to find my teeny precision screwdriver so I can change the minipcie card when it arrives

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Criggie:

dude – if you're still using coax then theres something larger wrong.

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[R]:

Beirdo: change?

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wagnerrp:

such as?

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Beirdo:

yes, change

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Beirdo:

the motherboard came with a wireless card

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Beirdo:

I bought a SATA controller

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[R]:

oh... you mean cahnge the one on your board

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Beirdo:

yes

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[R]:

i thougth you wnatd to change the new one

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Beirdo:

huh?

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[R]:

exactly

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Beirdo:

like modify it? I think not

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[R]:

thats what confused me

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Beirdo:

it shipped from NH this morning... UPS Ground

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Beirdo:

it's in Shrewsbury, MA now

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

someone is offering a contract for a custom menu theme?

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wagnerrp:

how hard is it to create one of those... seriously

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wagnerrp:

i mean all it is is making up a menu arrangement, and filling it out with a bit of XML

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wagnerrp:

you could probably learn everything you need to know just looking at it for five minutes

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iamlindoro:

It occurred to me that maybe he means UI theme

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iamlindoro:

but maybe not

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wagnerrp:

and create a new one from scratch in half an hour

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iamlindoro:

I was too tired to clarify

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Beirdo:

I assume this is in -theming ML?

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cromag:

mornings – mythtv docs tells me http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.3 that autoexpire can be changed in "settings -> tv settings – > general" – is this in the backend, frontend or where ? i'm really not sure im looking the right place :)

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cromag:

i dont seem to be able to find it.

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wagnerrp:

i think i found it

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wagnerrp:

if i get the shield threads wrapped around the signal core, what would happen?

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Beirdo:

ummm, electrically touching (metal on metal)?

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Criggie:

a short.

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Criggie:

therefore no data

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wagnerrp:

yep

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Beirdo:

you'd short-circuit, effectively making an antenna

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wagnerrp:

garbage, been that way for... 7–8 years?

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iamlindoro:

On the other hand, you may banish Zuul and save New York

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wagnerrp:

whenever we did the remodel

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wagnerrp:

electrician installed a split in a line i already had run

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Beirdo:

certainly not good for signal integrity :)

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Criggie:

so your wire is dead – use it as a pull cable for the replacement

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wagnerrp:

made some piss poor crimps

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Beirdo:

pish, you can just cut out the bad section and put connectors in, etc.

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wagnerrp:

Criggie: no, i just have to cut and crimp on a new connector

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wagnerrp:

maybe multiple

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wagnerrp:

if he botched one, whats the chance he botched more

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wagnerrp:

shows how often that tv has been used...

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Beirdo:

pretty high

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Criggie:

point.

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wagnerrp:

much better now

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wagnerrp:

all three connectors were garbage

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

now its reading... 4 volts?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, i had it on AC

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[R]:

alternating current

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[R]:

THAT's what she said

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

in completely unrelated news... http://gizmodo.com/5644351/

[05:34:03]

Beirdo:

4VAC?

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Beirdo:

that's good

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Beirdo:

IR really is AC if you think about it

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wagnerrp:

i mean the baseline signal

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Beirdo:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

and i figured it was just the unit using a rectifier and an offset

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wagnerrp:

er, scaling factor

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Beirdo:

could be

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wagnerrp:

which would make the DC show up as +33% when in AC mode

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Beirdo:

hoooooooooooooooonk

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Beirdo:

someone's car needs a beating

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wagnerrp:

alarm system?

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Beirdo:

on constant for the last 20min or so

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wagnerrp:

'sir, why were you beating on this car?' 'well someone had to give a reason for the alarm to continue going off...'

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Beirdo:

hehe yeah

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Beirdo:

"trying to break its horn"

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qupada:

Wow, that was bizarre. Just made a call using a voip client on my android phone, apparently it sent a broadcast notification message over my wireless network which mythtv displayed onscreen

[07:25:07]

qupada:

I don't remember turning that on anywhere, but that's fairly awesome

[07:32:11]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: im just thinking about this IR thing

[07:32:41]

wagnerrp:

and effectively, its just a 3V baseline voltage, dropping to 0V when the receiver is illuminated, right?

[07:33:27]

Beirdo:

sounds like it

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wagnerrp:

so could i just wire it through a transistor, switched by the ir transmitter?

[07:33:52]

wagnerrp:

just make sure it has a sufficiently high breakdown voltage and siwtching rate

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Beirdo:

yeah, should do it, I think

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wagnerrp:

ive got an old 'multi-function electronics kit' toy thing from like 20 years ago

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wagnerrp:

i think it has a handful of transistors on it

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea if thats the sort of thing you can just go down to radio shack and buy

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

one of the few parts they still sell

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wagnerrp:

seems both lines are around 1.5 kO to ground

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wagnerrp:

i should figure out how to get the blaster working normally first, before wiring it in directly...

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Beirdo:

would make testing a hack easier

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justinh:

hmmm. seems the htdigest stuff is causing me problems

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justinh:

disabled it & mythweb is working

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Beirdo:

OK, what mythtv stats might I want to graph...

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justinh:

yup... enable htdigest again & guess whut... segfaulty

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justinh:

think I know how this has come about though.. installed albumart-qt & it's mixed things up

[08:02:38]

justinh:

that was the very last package I installed & now this

[08:03:03]

justinh:

so from now on... absolute abject resistance to installing *anything* nevermind updates

[08:05:44]

justinh:

heh moving the digest file produces an error as you'd expect.. it can't find the digest file

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Beirdo:

bed. being sick sucks... and having multiple naps messes with bedtime

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justinh:

ouchies. hope you feel better in the morning

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Beirdo:

yeah, hope so too. we'll se

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Beirdo:

night

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justinh:

gah, generated a new digest file.. still acting up

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[R]:

MUHAHA, i am so evil

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[R]:

my upnp client doesn't like to play nice

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[R]:

so i'm using mythfs.py to get a nice fuse mount of my recordings... and then i'm using samba to share the mount point, and my upnp client is using smb, insteaed of upnp

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justinh:

wonder if I could just build my own apache & php

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dpgraves:

having problems with Jamu Script updating Video Files in Folder but will not even appear in Mythvideo what am i doing wrong.

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dpgraves:

it will even download all the coverart etc but open up myth front end and even the folder not there. scan for changes still nothing.

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justinh:

well, back to basic auth for mythweb

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dpgraves:

what should the file permission be for files in /var/lib/mythtv/videos found the issue was wrong sticky bit on the directory but stuff all the files under videos now so cannot see anything.

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justinh:

FFS. Managed to fix it

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justinh:

turned out that it was something to do with mythweb_sessions

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RDV_Linux:

dpgraves: For Jamu the video directory only needs to be RO for the account that you run Jamu. Also Jamu would issue error messages if the permissions were wrong right at the start.

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wagnerrp:

people on the mailing list just dont understand the concept of 'off limits' do they...

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justinh:

ban them all!

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el_duerino:

hi folks, again I have to ask for nuvexport; i recently upgraded to mythtv 0.23.1.201000710–1 (26231) but stil have the "transcode died early." error when using nuvexport on random recordings

[12:29:01]

el_duerino:

is this still a FUBAR-version of mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

no, 26231 is perfectly fine

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wagnerrp:

the 'fubar' versions are ones before the original release at revision 24500-something

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el_duerino:

ok, then at leastI got this working

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el_duerino:

so, ho can I make transcode happy? Should I not use deinterlacing?

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about nuvexport

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el_duerino:

or any other methods to convert recordings to avi/mpg ?

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wagnerrp:

your recordings arent already in mpeg format?

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wagnerrp:

why would you ever want to use avis?

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justinh:

because 700 MB AVI files are what the binary newsgroups expect?

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el_duerino:

if i want to share a recording with somebody who doesn't use mythtv

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justinh:

oooo dear

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wagnerrp:

then you dont

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el_duerino:

e.g. some lost soul using windows

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wagnerrp:

you can have them come over and watch it on your system

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wagnerrp:

those recordings are only meant for your use

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el_duerino:

sounds like an apple policy

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wagnerrp:

any other purposes for people outside your household violates redistribution licenses of that content

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el_duerino:

not in germany

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justinh:

whatever

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justinh:

nobody here will help you share your files :-)

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wagnerrp:

besides which, avis are garbage anyway

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wagnerrp:

dont use them

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el_duerino:

well, i don't care if mpg or avi

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wagnerrp:

and your recordings are already mpegs, no need to do anything to them

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el_duerino:

is it possible to use the .nuv files in mythvideo?

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justinh:

course it is

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wagnerrp:

sure, mythvideo uses the same internal video player as recordings

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el_duerino:

because mythvideo does not find them anyway

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justinh:

if you must insist on using a framegrabber <shudder>

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wagnerrp:

nuv is probably not in the default list of supported extensions picked up in a media scan

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el_duerino:

ok, so just extend the list of file extensions to be displayed?

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wagnerrp:

yep, mythvideo settings in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

justinh: as much as we complain about spam on the wiki and trac, its absolutely astounding how much spam xbmc gets on their wiki

[12:42:23]

justinh:

serves em right ;-)

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el_duerino:

ok, i will try that. One general thing: using a fresh install of mythtv, there is no way to copy/move/link a recording to mythvideo to prevent the recordings menu from overflow except reconfiguring mythvideo and copying the files by hand?

[12:43:09]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py

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wagnerrp:

justinh: id say 90% of their changelog is either the creation or deletion of spam, back for the full 500 entries mediawiki allows

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el_duerino:

oh, another one, thanks ;-) So, this means "Yes" as an answer?

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wagnerrp:

that script does a direct copy to a folder you specify

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wagnerrp:

using a formatting string

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justinh:

blimmin file squirrels. they're all the same :-D

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wagnerrp:

it will do a metadata lookup using the defined mythvideo data grabbers

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wagnerrp:

and will use that data as string substitution into the format string

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wagnerrp:

for example, default for TV shows is 'TV/%TITLE%/Season %SEASON%/%SEASON%x%EPISODE% – %SUBTITLE%'

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el_duerino:

that's nice. I just wanted to say, from a usability point of view, it would be a possibly a good idea to enable to users to move recordings to video without further knowledge or configuration

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

storing everything for an eternity isn't most people

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justinh:

most people's use case

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el_duerino:

because record menu gets crowded with movies over the time

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wagnerrp:

so use filtering

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wagnerrp:

accessible through the 'm' menu

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justinh:

moving 'watch recordings' to have different kinds of views would help that too

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el_duerino:

yes, thats true

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el_duerino:

like favorites or unwatched recordings

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wagnerrp:

there is a 'watch list' of unwatched recordings

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justinh:

there's already the WATCH LIST

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el_duerino:

i will have a closer look at the filters this evening

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wagnerrp:

its not a filter

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wagnerrp:

its one of the categories

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wagnerrp:

you have all recordings, watch list, and then each of the different titles

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wagnerrp:

depending on your theme, there will be a row or list of categories

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wagnerrp:

and then a separate area showing the available recordings within those categories

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el_duerino:

i think i have activated an other view, it only shows the show titles on the left (as a list)

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wagnerrp:

the first two items in that list are 'all recordings' and 'watch list'

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el_duerino:

and then, on a activated title, the recordings for that show on the right

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justinh:

I hate having everything take up so much room on the left like that

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justinh:

much rather have it be more like mythvideo – and no doubt somebody has that planned for the future

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justinh:

el_duerino: you can opt to show much more than just titles on the left

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justinh:

categories, groups & searches...

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el_duerino:

justinh: everything with the menu button?

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justinh:

try it

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el_duerino:

i will

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el_duerino:

maybe i get my wife heppier with the filter & categories stuff;-)

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el_duerino:

happier

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justinh:

I'd be all for having a group view list which worked more like a tree

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justinh:

so one list onscreen at a time

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justinh:

then go back & forth within it.. or filter.. etc

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wagnerrp:

i think with most people going widescreen

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wagnerrp:

that extra list on the side isnt so much of an issue

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justinh:

it still is though

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justinh:

it's a waste of space IMHO. always was

[12:58:34]

justinh:

in my new effort I made it into a horizontal buttonlist but it's still not ideal

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stuartm:

we can make it optional, functionality accessible through the menu instead, but I'm not really in favour of making it tree-like

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el_duerino:

justinh: any screenshots so far?

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justinh:

el_duerino: nope

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stuartm:

I don't actually know that I'd call it a waste of space, at least not at HD resolutions, there is only so much you'd really want to display for the recordings themselves

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justinh:

space nobody is looking at IMHO

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el_duerino:

what would be pretty cool is an coverflow of the recordings like in those apple toos (don't understand me wrong, i am not an apple fan)

[13:01:08]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: 'Verifyshows'? someone rewrote a script that existed in every mythtv installation, ignored the perl bindings completely, and then posted it for the world to use?

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stuartm:

?

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wagnerrp:

one of the pages you deleted yesterday

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stuartm:

ah, yeah I deleted it for exactly that reason

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stuartm:

I also started deleting the pages people had created for TVs, I don't see the relevance of those to MythTV, we have a modeline page, we don't need dozens of pages for different models of televisions

[13:07:13]

wagnerrp:

im not entirely certain i see a purpose for most of those modelines

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stuartm:

especially when the only information they contain is a copy/paste of the manufacturers specs, if everyone did that we'd have hundreds of such pages

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wagnerrp:

its a rare, old HDTV that doesnt support at least DVI

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: neither do I, but I've had that argument in here many times and failed to convince everyone

[13:08:07]

wagnerrp:

and for svideo/composite, the video card will just ignore the modeline and do what it wants anyway

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justinh:

stuartm: all this talk of 'hd resolutions' – I'm still not an advocate of having 10 pixel high fonts no matter what – yes I know there's more than enough space if you make the font small enough but if you like immediate readability – think older generation you have to have bigger fonts.. which means less usable screen

[13:08:17]

wagnerrp:

leaving component and vga

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stuartm:

there are some people who just think they know better

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wagnerrp:

which should be fairly rare usage

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justinh:

and so much for there being more freedom in themes.. if you're still going to limit the PBB to needing a separate group list and recordings list I don't see any point continuing

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wagnerrp:

justinh: not talking about screen resolution, but rather the fact that there is now an additional 33% space on the side of the screen

[13:10:05]

justinh:

since doing away with the delete recordings screen it's kind of nice to be able to see the size of recordings

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justinh:

and a useful date format eats space

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justinh:

add status icons into the mix..

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stuartm:

justinh: you'll find that no theme has 10pixel high fonts :) That's an exagerration, the point of HD resolutions is that a) larger physical screen size, so smaller fonts don't necessarily mean smaller on-screen size b) much higher clarity/sharpness mean text is much more readable

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stuartm:

justinh: WTF?

[13:11:09]

stuartm:

that's the complete opposite of what I just said

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billibob2:

hey all, anyone heard of the Kword UB499–2T USB Tuner? i thought i was buying the 399u that is supported but i got sent this one instead

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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justinh:

wouldn't that be tree-like – having one list onscreen.. first it's the group/show name list.. then drill down a level.. that's what I mean by 'tree-like'

[13:12:50]

justinh:

so there'd be no need of two lists onscreen at the same time

[13:13:23]

justinh:

and why would it be so bad to have a choice of views like mythvideo can have?

[13:13:50]

billibob2:

yea i tried that, and tried google, and tried every forum i could find.. no one seems to know about this version. was hoping someone here had a clue where else to look for info

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** stuartm blows his brains out **

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wagnerrp:

yes, the place to look for info is the linuxtv wiki link above

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wagnerrp:

as well as the #linuxtv channel

[13:14:45]

wagnerrp:

theyve probably got a mailing list or two

[13:14:55]

justinh:

meh. well, last time I ever suggest anything

[13:15:00]

billibob2:

thanks ill give them a try :)

[13:16:54]

wagnerrp:

seriously... if you buy a TV with 4 HDMI ports, why are you using VGA?

[13:18:54]

justinh:

maybe they only have a VGA output

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justinh:

:-\

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wagnerrp:

no, theyve got a gf8400

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wagnerrp:

they have at least DVI

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wagnerrp:

meaning HDMI is a $3 adapter away

[13:19:37]

justinh:

btw all this 'if you don't have a HDTV, sucks to be you' business is starting to get a bit grating

[13:21:15]

justinh:

it's still a bloody fallacy that it's good design practise to make fonts smaller to fit more onscreen – assuming people have larger screens. No HD STB manufacturer is pushing that agenda

[13:22:54]

wagnerrp:

well ill agree with you on the small fonts issue, i sit ~10' away from a 26" tv

[13:23:07]

wagnerrp:

but ive not had a problem with font sizes in the current batch of themes

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justinh:

I can read arclight on my 32" crt sdtv but my wife has trouble with it

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justinh:

but if you imagine the pane on the left being optional to make room for bigger text.. it's a no-brainer IMHO

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, i see this more as a widescreen/fullscreen issue than an SD/HD one

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justinh:

I think where folks get divided is how they use the groups list

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** wagnerrp wonders who spinkham is **

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justinh:

if they put more than groups in there – e.g. show titles too.. then it gets messy

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justinh:

but I hate the groups.. categories don't fit in with my way of thinking.. X-Factor being Entertainment etc.. meh...

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** spinkham is spinkham, end user and breaker of many things.. What's to know ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

well im curious as cpinkham is one of our core developers

[13:37:15]

spinkham:

no relation

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wagnerrp:

xris: im looking at the wiki, and weve got both a Maintainers and a Maintainers-List page

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wagnerrp:

you started the former a couple months ago, the latter is several years old

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wagnerrp:

any reason to have two separate ones? any preference to which one lives?

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Timel0rd:

I have a DVB-S and a DVB-S2 card. Is there a way to revent the DVB-S card from accessing the HD channels?

[13:52:19]

justinh:

yes

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justinh:

make 2 video sources: one with the HD channels & one without them

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt the S and S2 cards be using two different lineups anyway?

[13:52:57]

wagnerrp:

since they wouldnt be receiving the same channels

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justinh:

you'd think

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Timel0rd:

The both receive the same channels

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justinh:

not that any UK HD channels are even S2, mind

[13:53:32]

wagnerrp:

no, one receives S channels, the other S2 channels

[13:53:38]

justinh:

not that any UK HD channels are even S2, mind

[13:53:42]

wagnerrp:

unless the S2 card is a hybrid that supports both

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Timel0rd:

one of the cards can't receive HD channels

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wagnerrp:

the two standards are not compatible

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justinh:

no UK HD channels are on S2

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: some cards do support both DVB-S and DVB-S2.

[13:54:14]

justinh:

at least none you can receive legally

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wagnerrp:

and neither card can receive HD channels

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wagnerrp:

they support digital channels

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justinh:

Timel0rd: you'll need two video sources then

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justinh:

one per tuner

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wagnerrp:

unless the old S card has such a low interface bandwidth that it cannot handle the ~10+mbps of HD channels

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justinh:

if you want different lineups.. make .. different lineups!

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: wouldnt they show up to mythtv as two separate inputs?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: not necessarily. In some cases you can have a single frontend which can tune to DVB-S or DVB-S2.

[13:56:20]

devinheitmueller:

(e.g. a single /dvb/adapter0/frontend0 file)

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Timel0rd:

I have a Hauppague HVR400 that can do HD and a Hauppauge Nova S2 that can't

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justinh:

eh?

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justinh:

you mean nova-s ?

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Timel0rd:

Sorry Nova-s

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devinheitmueller:

I'm assuming he means an HVR-4000 and a Nova-S.

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devinheitmueller:

(since there is no HVR-400, and the Nova-S2 *is* an S2 card)

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justinh:

anyway like I said twice.. you'll need to make another lineup

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justinh:

aka video source

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Timel0rd:

it's the Nova s with the video in connector

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Timel0rd:

sorry HVR4000

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justinh:

another thing I hate about mythtv that'll never be changed :-\

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Timel0rd:

so i create 2 video sources and do 2 scans?

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Timel0rd:

then delete the HD channels from the Nova-s card

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Timel0rd:

what about the EIT? both cards?

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wagnerrp:

you mean there are S channels that the S card cannot handle?

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Timel0rd:

BBC HD won't work on the Nova-S

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justinh:

yeah.. probably has trouble with the datarate

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Timel0rd:

it does find the channel and attemts to tune but then things lock up

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wagnerrp:

surely the demod can handle it, as it should have to handle the entire stream datarate, which doesnt change

[14:03:43]

wagnerrp:

and i cant imagine the PCI bridge chip could be so low performing

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wagnerrp:

so where is the bottleneck on those old cards?

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justinh:

possibly hardware demuxing

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Timel0rd:

is there a way of copying the existing video source?

[14:04:28]

justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

no

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you have shell access back home?

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justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

whats your latest entry in oldprogram?

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wagnerrp:

select * from oldprogram order by airdate asc limit 1;

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Timel0rd:

The Nova-s is the card http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-S-Plus

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justinh:

| DP Toys | 2009-11–05 00:25:00 |

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wagnerrp:

huh... same exact date here

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wagnerrp:

that table is supposed to be populated with every title in the programming guide for the last 320 days

[14:08:39]

wagnerrp:

whats the oldest?

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justinh:

yeah but uk_rt doesn't supply original airdate AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

select * from oldprogram order by airdate desc limit 1;

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justinh:

so all those will be the same

[14:09:09]

justinh:

The Nanny Express | 2010-09–21 15:05:00 |

[14:09:11]

justinh:

oh wait..

[14:09:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, its deleting at a year

[14:09:23]

wagnerrp:

that makes no sense

[14:09:36]

wagnerrp:

must be running it somewhere other than the housekeeper code im looking at

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Timel0rd:

does the program guide work ok with 2 video sources?

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justinh:

yes

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wagnerrp:

Timel0rd: if you give them the same channel name and number, it will merge them in the program guide

[14:10:16]

Timel0rd:

I will give it a go. Thaks for your help.

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i see that edits oldprogram is the housekeeper

[14:12:04]

wagnerrp:

and its supposed to delete at 320 days, and add new content

[14:12:20]

wagnerrp:

except something is deleting at one year

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Timel0rd:

so does the source table have 2 entries – 1 for each sourceid?

[14:13:21]

Timel0rd:

I ask because i have a script to delete all the useless channels

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wagnerrp:

you will have two separate channels, one for each source

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Timel0rd:

i change the channum to something more useful and make the unused channels not visible. Does the EIT work on the chanid?

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wagnerrp:

never used EIT, its pretty worthless over here in the states

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Timel0rd:

ok

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justinh:

EIT works with serviceid AFAIK

[14:16:58]

justinh:

i.e. don't go fricking messing with the database when you dunno what you're doing

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** wagnerrp is blind **

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wagnerrp:

it says 2010, not 2009

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wagnerrp:

its working properly

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Timel0rd:

ok. i will make sure they are all the same.

[14:17:40]

Timel0rd:

thanks again.

[14:18:16]

** justinh looks at defecting again **

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justinh:

then remembers.. mythfrontend is still better

[14:18:37]

justinh:

BAH

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johnnyj:

does anyone know anything specific about the HDPVR-1250 ?

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wagnerrp:

no such device

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johnnyj:

so if lspci shows: 05:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196 (rev 04)

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justinh:

it's lying, as lspci often does

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wagnerrp:

then its lying

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johnnyj:

what device is this?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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justinh:

maybe the HVR1250

[14:20:21]

justinh:

don't these people know what they bought, anyway?

[14:20:27]

wagnerrp:

actually, someone was in here about a month ago showing that, and it was actually a 1600

[14:20:30]

wagnerrp:

go figure

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wagnerrp:

what does the box it came in say?

[14:20:50]

wagnerrp:

or maybe an 1800

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johnnyj:

i've got a coworker struggling with one – he sent an (overly verbose) email to the list recently

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wagnerrp:

i think its an OEM card that ships in some HP media center box

[14:21:33]

wagnerrp:

someone somewhere goofed

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johnnyj:

so if it'e the HVR-1250, is it supported, and by what driver and how?

[14:22:35]

justinh:

IF it is.. check the linuxtv wiki

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wagnerrp:

the same thing as nearly every other tuner card

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wagnerrp:

the 1250, 1600, and 1800 are all supported by the drivers that should ship with any modern kernel

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mag0o:

johnnyj: tried running update-pciids to see if it maybe has an update to show the new id?

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: have them take a picture of the physical card

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wagnerrp:

i dont trust anything in that output

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: I am asking him to confirm

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johnnyj:

and thanks guys, I don't use any cards and haven't since the PVR-150 so I've been little help

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justinh:

you.. don't use .. any cards? :-O

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johnnyj:

mag0o: update-pciids ran and didn't change the output of lspci

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: he confirmed the card looks like http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41k23kW . . . 0_AA300_.jpg

[14:36:44]

wagnerrp:

in that case, it should just work 'out of the box'

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wagnerrp:

mine did anyway

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wagnerrp:

the card is supported just fine by the kernel dvb drivers

[14:37:19]

wagnerrp:

there is no firmware to have to deal with

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: his kern.log shows this http://mythtv.pastebin.com/gQTs25S4

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devinheitmueller:

There's a new version of the 1250 which isn't currently supported.

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johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: do you have a hyperlink on that?

[14:43:19]

devinheitmueller:

From the conversation I had last week, it's just another PCI ID that needs to be added to the table.

[14:43:29]

devinheitmueller:

I don't have any references I can cite.

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: is your card a rev 04 ?

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wagnerrp:

03

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devinheitmueller:

For now you can just pass "card=3" as a modprobe parameter and it should work.

[14:50:33]

devinheitmueller:

Hmmm, wait.

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** devinheitmueller goes to look at the source. **

[14:52:52]

devinheitmueller:

Hmm, that might not work. I'm not sure if it's really a 1250 derivative or a 1270.

[14:52:53]

devinheitmueller:

:-/

[14:53:02]

johnnyj:

it didnt work for him

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devinheitmueller:

The term "it didn't work" is not very specific.

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devinheitmueller:

Assuming it's the board I'm thinking of, it just needs a new PCI ID in the table. But I am not sure if it needs to be associated with the 1250 device profile or the 1270.

[14:54:01]

devinheitmueller:

It's probably the 1270 profile.

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johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: sorry, specifically, the card=3 made the driver load but no new device apperas in /dev/

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devinheitmueller:

stoth is the guy to talk to. He's not around though. :-/

[14:55:11]

devinheitmueller:

Probably needs to be card=19 or card=20.

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johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: will this appear as /dev/dvb or /dev/video?

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devinheitmueller:

Depends.

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devinheitmueller:

You should definitely see a /dev/dvb/adapter0, but the analog support doesn't work for the newer boards, so you won't see a /dev/video device.

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johnnyj:

he wants OTA NTSC

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devinheitmueller:

He's SOL then.

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johnnyj:

i was thinking that

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wagnerrp:

OTA NTSC?

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wagnerrp:

not much of that left around

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: that's what he said

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johnnyj:

what is OTA actually?

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: analog support doesnt work for the older boards either

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justinh:

over the air

[14:58:29]

devinheitmueller:

The new version of the board uses a chip that has an on board DIF, which isn't supported in the current cx23885 driver.

[14:58:29]

wagnerrp:

or at least not last time i checked

[14:58:36]

wagnerrp:

broadcast television

[14:58:37]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: it does work, just not for MythTV.

[14:58:45]

wagnerrp:

for the 1250?

[14:59:03]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: If you have an older variant that creates /dev/video0, then yes, but just not with Myth.

[14:59:13]

devinheitmueller:

(e.g. you can use mplayer or other apps).

[14:59:36]

johnnyj:

so this card is no go for US OTA in mythtv ?

[14:59:41]

devinheitmueller:

... and yes, I realize I am saying that on the MythTV forum. ;-)

[14:59:48]

wagnerrp:

its perfectly fine for OTA in north america

[15:00:01]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: i guess im running too old a kernel for the analog support

[15:00:03]

devinheitmueller:

johnnyj: Almost no OTA in the United States is analog anymore.

[15:00:18]

johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: so it's OTA NTSC ?

[15:00:20]

justinh:

there is no 'mythtv forum'.. least not any kind of official one

[15:00:23]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: or you have a newer version of the 1250 which doesn't have the analog support yet.

[15:00:32]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: no, its OTA ATSC

[15:00:33]

johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: card=20 created a /dev/dvb

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: this card is almost two years old

[15:00:47]

justinh:

mythtvtalk.com – land of grey text on slightly darker grey background.. heh

[15:00:50]

devinheitmueller:

johnnyj: The "OTA" means "over the air". "NTSC" means analog. "ATSC" means digital. Very little over the air is analog anymore.

[15:01:15]

devinheitmueller:

johnnyj: Yeah, so you should be fine for OTA digital support.

[15:01:18]

wagnerrp:

only low power stuff (under 10kW) and night time broadcasts are allowed to remain analog

[15:01:28]

johnnyj:

OTA doesn't work in downtown Dallas, Tx

[15:01:37]

johnnyj:

so I never learned all this

[15:01:54]

wagnerrp:

too many tall buildings?

[15:02:17]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Tall buildings are usually not *that* much of a problem. They just result in multipath and reflection issues.

[15:02:22]

johnnyj:

wagnerrp: yep and all the towers point to the burbs where everyone (else) lives

[15:02:52]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: right, but ive heard some cards dont deal with those reflection issues well

[15:03:07]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: it's definitely an issue for some older cards.

[15:03:47]

** devinheitmueller looks for the DTV coverage map for Dallas.... **

[15:04:19]

devinheitmueller:

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_current/D . . . Worth_TX.pdf

[15:04:38]

devinheitmueller:

Looks pretty damn good to me.

[15:05:37]

devinheitmueller:

Perhaps johnnyj didn't realize that all the analog went away and that he needs a digital tuner now.

[15:06:08]

johnnyj:

I was aware of that – I'm just hooked on HBO, SHOWTIME, the history channel...

[15:06:21]

devinheitmueller:

Well, in that case yeah you won't find those over OTA.

[15:06:34]

devinheitmueller:

That doesn't mean though that Dallas has crappy OTA coverage.

[15:07:14]

wagnerrp:

sure, there are no OTA cable systems

[15:07:15]

wagnerrp:

:)

[15:07:30]

johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: wagnerrp my buddy Dan is /very/ grateful – as am I

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: if there were, they would be complaining about how the government was interfering with commerce and that free OTA should go away...

[15:09:41]

wagnerrp:

network tv is anti-competitive

[15:09:55]

wagnerrp:

we need to replace them with broadcast cable monopolies

[15:11:34]

devinheitmueller:

heh.

[15:12:10]

wagnerrp:

ugh... why... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Xbox360-ubuntu-8.10

[15:12:53]

wagnerrp:

you know, i wonder how a Cell or Xenon compares in power to say... an Atom

[15:12:57]

wagnerrp:

i expect theyre all pretty poor

[15:13:11]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: depends on the workload.

[15:13:32]

devinheitmueller:

If you need parallel processing, the Cell would blow the doors off of an Atom.

[15:13:53]

wagnerrp:

well the cell is next to worthless if you havent coded it to use the SPEs

[15:14:10]

devinheitmueller:

Why is this on the "MythTV" wiki would be my bigger quesiton.

[15:14:12]

devinheitmueller:

question.

[15:14:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont know...

[15:15:01]

wagnerrp:

but similarly, the Xenon is probably pretty poor performing if you havent optimized for its altivec units

[15:15:02]

** devinheitmueller looks at the recent log. There are MythTV user groups? **

[15:15:07]

devinheitmueller:

I had no idea.

[15:15:52]

wagnerrp:

and then if youre not using very parallel floating point code, theyre not going to do you a huge amount of good

[15:16:17]

devinheitmueller:

There's ny NYMUG! I should start one!

[15:16:26]

devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, I'm moving to Detroit. Nevermind.

[15:18:15]

iamlindoro:

You can start a DMUG-- Rule #1, surrender all firearms at the door

[15:18:38]

devinheitmueller:

heh, I don't think I would want to give up my firearm if I were in Detroit.

[15:18:45]

wagnerrp:

im just saying those are specifically designed for parallel floating point operations

[15:19:03]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, its just a dual/triple core gutted, in-order processor

[15:19:34]

wagnerrp:

you hit an if statement and the thing barfs

[15:19:44]

devinheitmueller:

johnnyj: Ok, so for that card you should do "card=20"

[15:20:10]

wagnerrp:

you get the clockrate advantage over the atom, but thats about it

[15:20:15]

johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: rrrrrright

[15:20:32]

devinheitmueller:

It's nice being able to just ask the guy who knows the answer. :-)

[15:21:09]

wagnerrp:

s/knows the answer/actually wrote a good bit of the code/

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wagnerrp:

oh come on...

[15:32:13]

wagnerrp:

its a /monitor/

[15:32:18]

wagnerrp:

monitors dont overscan

[15:32:27]

wagnerrp:

there is absolutely no reason to define a modeline for a monitor

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: So I'm guessing no progress has ever been made on uniquely identifying tuners on reboot without the use of udev rules, eh?

[15:35:25]

devinheitmueller:

Unfortunately no.

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iamlindoro:

Maybe in a few decades after native input works ;)

[15:35:53]

devinheitmueller:

There is ongoing progress with the "media controller" framework, although it's been much slower than I would like, and they aren't focused on the problems that plague mythtv users.

[15:35:58]

devinheitmueller:

heh.

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devinheitmueller:

Even with udev rules, many users still have problems when they own two of the same model card.

[15:37:02]

wagnerrp:

the vdr/freevo people just get outright ignored?

[15:37:19]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: for the MC framework, the target audience is SOC manufacturers.

[15:37:30]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Why listen to the dozen of them? ;)

[15:37:52]

wagnerrp:

(that was supposed to be a joke about the relative lack of them)

[15:38:26]

devinheitmueller:

My wife tells everybody about my "freevo" rather than referring to it as a MythTV box, presumably because the name is catchier.

[15:39:46]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you see any worth in a table for GUI offsets for TVs?

[15:40:14]

johnnyj:

devinheitmueller: i get many puzzled inquiries on my license plate MYTHTV

[15:40:19]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not personally, seems like there would be minor calibration differences even between like models

[15:40:39]

wagnerrp:

certainly for CRTs, but panels?

[15:41:03]

iamlindoro:

I used to work with the guy who wrote this book: http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-TiVo-Expansion- . . . p/0764543369

[15:41:09]

iamlindoro:

His license plate was TIVOGUY

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro: most folks parse it to be "MY" something so they get 'TV' at the end and then are stuck on the 'TH'

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wagnerrp:

wow

[16:34:23]

wagnerrp:

the 'activy media center' has a 3.06GHz desktop celeron with passive cooling

[16:34:34]

wagnerrp:

what are the chances that thing /ever/ runs at full speed?

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** Beirdo actively drinks coffee **

[16:45:03]

iamlindoro:

as opposed to passively doing so? (via some sort of funnel system)

[16:45:35]

** iamlindoro always enjoys the updates from Beirdo re: coffee drinking, compiling revision this or that, breathing in, breathing out, etc. ;) **

[16:48:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

[16:49:02]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'm silly, granted

[16:53:34]

Beirdo:

doing a beer bong of coffee might be tempting, but I doubt it would end well

[16:55:45]

** wagnerrp wonders if a coffee bong would work **

[16:56:26]

Beirdo:

hehe, could be interesting

[16:56:37]

wagnerrp:

burn the grounds, and filter it through water... purifies the caffeine and allows absorption through the nasal membranes

[16:57:22]

Beirdo:

interesting concept

[16:57:26]

wagnerrp:

i dont get it

[16:57:38]

wagnerrp:

guy adds a link on the wiki to 'FS Activy Media Center'

[16:57:48]

wagnerrp:

and then proceeds to make a page named 'Activy Media Center'

[16:58:07]

wagnerrp:

so of course the page is orphaned, and there's a dead link

[16:58:44]

Beirdo:

way to go

[16:58:47]

wagnerrp:

add to the fact that he was actually promoting purchasing a machine about half as powerful as your current backend

[16:59:28]

** Beirdo things Gibby is confused as to which channel he's in **

[16:59:32]

Beirdo:

thinks

[16:59:37]

Beirdo:

dangit fingers

[17:00:04]

Beirdo:

heh, my poor backend is decent, but I'd hate to have half the power

[17:00:24]

wagnerrp:

decent as a backend only, with digital tuners

[17:00:35]

wagnerrp:

this is an OEM HTPC, meant for combo duty

[17:00:46]

Beirdo:

this is doing fine as combo

[17:00:52]

Beirdo:

it's commflagging that's hurting

[17:00:52]

Gibby:

Beirdo: topics just get blurred sometimes.....

[17:01:08]

wagnerrp:

i thought you choked on HDPVR playback, or do you have VDPAU for that?

[17:01:16]

Beirdo:

VDPAU FTW :)

[17:01:25]

wagnerrp:

did i mention this was a passively cooled 3GHz Celeron?

[17:01:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, lameness

[17:01:59]

Beirdo:

without VDPAU, that thing would be totally pointless with HD

[17:02:09]

wagnerrp:

anyway, my backend is about as powerful as yours, and i consider it underpowered too

[17:02:15]

Beirdo:

yeah

[17:02:19]

wagnerrp:

so dont feel bad... :P

[17:02:26]

Beirdo:

my new one is awaiting its video card

[17:02:33]

Beirdo:

which should arrive later today

[17:02:45]

wagnerrp:

how do you like that case?

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Beirdo:

if I'm well enough to go downstairs and pick it up.

[17:03:08]

Beirdo:

not bad. be careful with your power supply though

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Beirdo:

it is a TIGHT fit

[17:03:27]

Beirdo:

the cables are right up against the drive cage

[17:03:28]

wagnerrp:

because of heatsink and expansion cards?

[17:03:32]

wagnerrp:

oh

[17:03:44]

Beirdo:

one thing I had not thought of :)

[17:04:08]

Beirdo:

other than that, pretty happy with it so far

[17:04:22]

Beirdo:

cut myself once, but that was on the box, not the case itself

[17:04:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i have to get cable extensions for my case

[17:04:34]

Beirdo:

no sharp edges (all aluminum, BTW)

[17:04:41]

wagnerrp:

silly 2' cables just arent long enough

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Beirdo:

2 foot isn't long enough?

[17:04:58]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:05:06]

wagnerrp:

maybe theyre only 18"

[17:05:14]

Beirdo:

that's what she said (where's [R] when we need him?)

[17:05:14]

wagnerrp:

all i know is i have an extension

[17:05:41]

Beirdo:

ahh, I have the opposite problem in this case

[17:05:45]

justinh:

wheehee.. backend box all happy again & I'm left wondering wth broke so much

[17:05:51]

Beirdo:

gotta tuck away extra cable

[17:05:54]

wagnerrp:

its one of those double-wides

[17:06:02]

wagnerrp:

board is on one side, power supply is on the other

[17:06:13]

Beirdo:

ah yeah, the trailer-trash case :)

[17:06:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:06:23]

Beirdo:

that's cool

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wagnerrp:

/lot/ of space for $200 (plus another $200 for the hotswap)

[17:07:08]

Beirdo:

if I go to build a true server, I'll be looking for a double-wide, I think

[17:07:46]

Beirdo:

this little backend case though. Wow, it's small for what it contains

[17:07:53]

wagnerrp:

my only complaint is the door is a bit funky

[17:08:31]

wagnerrp:

there are three doors for the three drive bays

[17:08:39]

wagnerrp:

i ended up putting some padding in there for vibration issues

[17:08:49]

Beirdo:

yeah, I can imagine

[17:08:55]

wagnerrp:

then the whole front panel swings out on some crappy sheet metal hinge

[17:09:00]

Beirdo:

foam tape FTW

[17:09:14]

wagnerrp:

i actually used the fuzzy side of velcro

[17:09:27]

Beirdo:

that can work too

[17:10:15]

wagnerrp:

and two of the dozen front LEDs popped out, i had to hot-glue them back in

[17:10:48]

Beirdo:

heh, as long as they ain't blue

[17:10:57]

wagnerrp:

no, pretty low power yellow

[17:11:16]

Beirdo:

I likely will buy a new 140mm fan for this case

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Beirdo:

with no dang blue LED

[17:11:34]

wagnerrp:

heh

[17:11:41]

Beirdo:

Lian-Li fell down on that one

[17:11:49]

wagnerrp:

you cant just clip them off that fan?

[17:12:16]

Beirdo:

not sure, but I'll be investigating before closing the case up

[17:12:25]

wagnerrp:

the couple of LED fans ive had, the LEDs are just on little plastic stubs sticking out from the support

[17:12:34]

wagnerrp:

wire cutters made quick work of them

[17:12:56]

Beirdo:

that would be ideal

[17:13:21]

Beirdo:

yay

[17:13:31]

Beirdo:

yes, I can clip wires :)

[17:14:00]

Beirdo:

I guess I'll be pulling the fan out and clipping em all

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Beirdo:

yay. 4 LEDs de-wired

[17:19:26]

Beirdo:

much better. thanks for the idea. it would have crossed my mind eventually of course

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mrjn_:

hi guys, I'm thinking of connecting hd-pvr to my comcast cable box, and know that mythtv has support for hd-pvr, but does it auto-scan all the channels and find the program guides from scheduledirect.org?

[17:23:22]

Beirdo:

it doesn't need to scan, but yes, it will pull the program data (and channel layout) from schedulesdirect

[17:23:52]

mrjn_:

I see.. but would it be able to map the channels correctly, given I'm using comcast (they use weird mappings)

[17:24:16]

Beirdo:

if it's correct on schedulesdirect, it will be correct in MythTV

[17:24:33]

Beirdo:

you will need a method of telling your cable box to change channels though

[17:24:49]

mrjn_:

I thought it uses some IR blaster thingy..

[17:24:57]

Beirdo:

either IR or firewire (if you have it on the cable box)

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Beirdo:

yeah, IR is fairly common

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Beirdo:

just check that the channel mapping on SD matches what you tell the cable box with your remote

[17:25:46]

Beirdo:

if it does, you should be just fine

[17:25:58]

mrjn_:

I've been having some issues getting the channel maps correctly from schedulesdirect.org, heard something about scte65scan..

[17:26:17]

Beirdo:

scte65scan is of no use when using HDPVR

[17:26:23]

Beirdo:

it's for QAM tuner cards

[17:26:25]

abbronzato:

hello to all, i'm here beacuse i found something related to my sat card in http://www.gossamer-threads.com and refering to this channel

[17:26:36]

mrjn_:

aha.. I see.

[17:26:47]

abbronzato:

i have an hvr-4400 hauppage card that i cannot recognize with linux in /dev/dvb

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mrjn_:

okay, thanks for the info Beirdo! I'll be back for more later :-)

[17:26:59]

Beirdo:

enjoy :)

[17:27:07]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

[17:27:07]

MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[17:27:13]

wagnerrp:

abbronzato: ^^^

[17:27:17]

Beirdo:

you beat me to it :)

[17:27:25]

abbronzato:

but reported with lspci as a: Conexant Systems, Inc. Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196 (rev 04)

[17:27:54]

Beirdo:

HDPVR-1250? You mean HVR-1250, right?

[17:28:13]

abbronzato:

wagnerrp, yep i already lokked at that, (bad news) , but if lspci report to me that carda as a : Conexant Systems, Inc. Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196 (rev 04) ?

[17:28:16]

wagnerrp:

hopefully not, the 1250 cant even be purchased in the same country as a 4400

[17:28:31]

wagnerrp:

nor does it do any form of DVB

[17:28:40]

Beirdo:

the HDPVR is not PCI, and is model 1212

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abbronzato:

the 1250 is not a dvb-s one?

[17:29:39]

wagnerrp:

no, ATSC

[17:29:47]

Beirdo:

the 1250 is HVR-1250, and its ATSC/QAM/NTSC

[17:29:48]

abbronzato:

ah bad news :(

[17:30:00]

wagnerrp:

if you are in the market for a 4400

[17:30:05]

abbronzato:

the 4400 is a combo (terrestrial and sat)

[17:30:07]

wagnerrp:

you would not have been able to purchase a 1250

[17:30:30]

wagnerrp:

theyre not sold in italy

[17:30:35]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: of course, there is ebay which bypasses that at the buyer's risk

[17:30:39]

wagnerrp:

or anywhere in europe for that matter

[17:30:39]

abbronzato:

so lspci report it beacuse, maybe is the "most near" to it

[17:30:52]

wagnerrp:

but there is no 'HDPVR-1250'

[17:30:57]

wagnerrp:

such a device doesnt exist

[17:30:58]

abbronzato:

ok for this i read many contrastant infos

[17:31:26]

Beirdo:

could you do lspci -v, and paste the section for that card onto mythtv.pastebin.com, and provide the resulting URL?

[17:31:27]

abbronzato:

can i show you the lspci report with a paste web page?

[17:31:34]

abbronzato:

ah ehehe ok

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abbronzato:

http://fpaste.org/XVKh/

[17:32:34]

abbronzato:

that one is the hvr-4400

[17:33:02]

abbronzato:

i tryed as well the mod fix (force card=20)

[17:33:26]

Beirdo:

OK, someone messed up the pci ids file

[17:33:41]

Beirdo:

model 1196 is in fact a HVR-1250

[17:34:07]

abbronzato:

do you need as well the complete one with the capabilities?

[17:34:55]

abbronzato:

so no chance at this moment with this card :( bad buy this time

[17:34:57]

wagnerrp:

abbronzato: to be honest, until you get your card showing up and working in linux, this is not really the proper channel

[17:35:01]

Beirdo:

well, the PCI bus is saying you do not have an HVR-4400

[17:35:09]

wagnerrp:

#linuxtv is more knowledgeable on this subject

[17:35:13]

wagnerrp:

(they write the drivers)

[17:35:20]

Beirdo:

yeah, and that :)

[17:35:35]

abbronzato:

sorry i found this channel from here googling about the problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 33?page=last

[17:35:43]

abbronzato:

was exactly mine

[17:35:51]

Beirdo:

abbronzato: whereever you bought that, I think you got the wrong card perhaps

[17:35:55]

wagnerrp:

we tend to be one of the primary users of such cards

[17:36:00]

wagnerrp:

but we dont maintain them

[17:36:00]

abbronzato:

Beirdo, yep

[17:36:37]

wagnerrp:

are you sure its a 4400?

[17:36:38]

abbronzato:

ok, thanks for the help anyway

[17:36:40]

abbronzato:

yes

[17:36:44]

wagnerrp:

i mean thats what is stamped on there?

[17:36:45]

abbronzato:

i have as well the box..

[17:36:48]

wagnerrp:

well then youre just out of luck

[17:37:02]

abbronzato:

wintv-hvr-4400hd

[17:37:10]

wagnerrp:

as the linuxtv site mentions, it uses a chipset for which there is no driver

[17:37:21]

wagnerrp:

so there will be a lot of work that needs to go in to support that card

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Beirdo:

but somehow it appears as a 1250? yikes.

[17:37:39]

abbronzato:

yes, i used win in the last days for this :(

[17:37:53]

Beirdo:

anyways, no joy.

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abbronzato:

now i tried a deep search session

[17:38:08]

wagnerrp:

if you can use PCI, you can try to get an older HVR-4000

[17:38:17]

wagnerrp:

same capabilities, but supported in linux

[17:38:29]

abbronzato:

yes i read it AFTER

[17:39:11]

abbronzato:

np, i'll wait a bit, if it is not added the htpc for this card will be a win one :(

[17:39:18]

Beirdo:

that sounds like a cool card... if it would have drivers

[17:39:22]

abbronzato:

thanks for the help

[17:39:36]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: too bad its a hybrid, only one input

[17:39:38]

abbronzato:

the lspci with the capabilities can help or is useless?

[17:39:56]

wagnerrp:

no, they know what the card is

[17:40:02]

wagnerrp:

someone needs to write drivers for the demod

[17:40:03]

abbronzato:

wagnerrp, no i read that this card can simultain use both input

[17:40:24]

abbronzato:

you means that?

[17:40:41]

** Beirdo grumbles. **

[17:40:53]

abbronzato:

sorry my engish is not so good

[17:41:15]

wagnerrp:

i mean such cursory knowledge as an lspci printout wont do any good

[17:41:26]

Beirdo:

why oh why... trunk is giving me AV sync delays on playback as of a few days ago, it seems

[17:41:30]

wagnerrp:

they simply need someone to write a driver for the demodulator chip

[17:41:51]

wagnerrp:

the chip that takes the analog signal from the antenna, and pulls the digital stream out of it

[17:42:03]

abbronzato:

ah ok its clear

[17:42:22]

wagnerrp:

or failing that, someone who can get them hardware documentation on the chip

[17:42:50]

wagnerrp:

engineering specs, not just a simple list of capabilities

[17:42:59]

Beirdo:

hmm, no stoth for a week :(

[17:43:06]

abbronzato:

sad i buyed this opne for the: fm analog-tv dvb-t dvb-s and is useless less then a normal really cheap one

[17:43:38]

Beirdo:

wanted to thank him "in person"

[17:43:39]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:44:08]

abbronzato:

very thanks for the attention, i hope to return here for any further suggestion (beacuse the driver is finally added)

[17:44:27]

wagnerrp:

hauppauge says its a quad-mode tuner, not a dual/tri/quad tuner

[17:44:30]

wagnerrp:

meaning only one input

[17:44:45]

wagnerrp:

if it accepted multiple simultaneous inputs, they would have advertised it as such on their site

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abbronzato:

one moment

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abbronzato:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=20945

[17:46:40]

wagnerrp:

it does have two separate RF shields as if it was a dual tuner

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** Beirdo yawns **

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wagnerrp:

oh, seems the second shield is for a separate FM tuner

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wagnerrp:

unless that port says 'SAT' and i misread it

[17:49:16]

abbronzato:

no one is cloesd to the terrestrial (dvb-t analog-tv fm) input the other one to the sat one

[17:49:48]

abbronzato:

one shield for sat, the other one for all the rest

[17:50:12]

abbronzato:

maybe i misundertood what you say

[17:51:22]

abbronzato:

but at the end does not works

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abbronzato:

and lspci simply fails to report it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: is there a way via bindings to ask the backend what tuners are in use currently?

[17:54:12]

wagnerrp:

no

[17:54:15]

Beirdo:

drats

[17:54:19]

wagnerrp:

but... you can ask what tuners are free

[17:54:24]

abbronzato:

this is the fully verbose lspci command : http://fpaste.org/VeaI/

[17:54:26]

Beirdo:

heheh

[17:54:40]

abbronzato:

bad buy :) i already know it

[17:54:45]

Beirdo:

so I'd have to know what ones exist, and ask which ones are free?

[17:54:57]

wagnerrp:

or you can parse the xml from the status page

[17:55:01]

Beirdo:

I guess that could work

[17:55:10]

wagnerrp:

what are you looking to do?

[17:55:12]

Beirdo:

I think the status page may work better...

[17:55:15]

** devinheitmueller is just getting caught up. **

[17:55:17]

Beirdo:

graphing :)

[17:55:25]

devinheitmueller:

The HVR-4400 is completely unsupported under Linux currently.

[17:55:33]

wagnerrp:

yeah, told him

[17:55:44]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: pretty sure theres a script floating around that does just that

[17:55:52]

wagnerrp:

i see to be plotting it in cacti anyway

[17:56:01]

Beirdo:

hehe.

[17:56:21]

Beirdo:

I'm writing my own bit by bit

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Monitoring_With_Cacti

[17:57:09]

Beirdo:

cool

[17:57:19]

Beirdo:

I'll implement my own, I think

[17:57:40]

Beirdo:

(in perl.. writing to a redis database on the monitoring box)

[17:58:07]

Beirdo:

I'm silly, I know

[17:58:11]

abbronzato:

i hope dto exit from here with a working card :) thanks bye

[17:58:27]

Beirdo:

I'm sure your card works, but not in Linux. Sorry

[17:58:36]

wagnerrp:

redis?

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Beirdo:

yup

[17:59:04]

Beirdo:

it's a NoSQL type of thing

[17:59:16]

Beirdo:

key/value, cached in memory

[17:59:53]

wagnerrp:

i doubt it can beat rrdtool cached in memory

[18:00:14]

Beirdo:

I'm playing with it... I could just create a mysql db on the box

[18:00:32]

Beirdo:

I'm using cacti, gotta deal with cacti's idiosyncracies

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wagnerrp:

i set up ganglia on the cluster at work

[18:01:36]

wagnerrp:

~700 machines all hitting it with updates every 15 seconds or so

[18:01:44]

wagnerrp:

horribly thrashed the disk

[18:02:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, I bet

[18:02:12]

abbronzato:

SORRY last one, but the lspci command reported in the linuxtv site is completly wrong for this card

[18:02:18]

wagnerrp:

i ended up having to alter the startup script to create a memdisk, and preload the data from it on start up

[18:02:31]

wagnerrp:

with a 10 minutes rolling backup

[18:02:35]

abbronzato:

another one if paired to mine

[18:02:40]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that's cool

[18:02:40]

devinheitmueller:

abbronzato: you sure you're not looking at the page for the 4000 (as opposed to the 4400)?

[18:02:51]

abbronzato:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-4400

[18:02:55]

abbronzato:

look mine

[18:02:57]

** devinheitmueller looks **

[18:03:01]

wagnerrp:

abbronzato: no, your lspci command is completely wrong, as seen by the fact that it reports your card as a HDPVR-1250

[18:03:26]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: that's because somebody put a dumb entry in the lspci text file.

[18:03:45]

devinheitmueller:

The lspci output on the wiki page looks fine to me.

[18:04:01]

abbronzato:

if i try another distro so the lspci change?

[18:04:04]

abbronzato:

i can try it

[18:04:19]

abbronzato:

devinheitmueller, have looked at mine?

[18:04:23]

wagnerrp:

abbronzato: whatever you try, the card will continue to not work

[18:04:32]

wagnerrp:

so theres no point to the effort

[18:04:33]

devinheitmueller:

abbronzato: they all use the same text file, so probably all the distros will report the wrong value.

[18:04:55]

devinheitmueller:

Somebody submitted the wrong device name to the upstream database. It's independent of whether the card works.

[18:05:05]

devinheitmueller:

(since the driver operates off of the PCI ID, not the text label)

[18:05:25]

abbronzato:

ok, clear have you idea where report this error?

[18:05:50]

devinheitmueller:

whoever maintains the lspci database.

[18:06:04]

abbronzato:

ok i'll look for it

[18:06:04]

devinheitmueller:

"man lspci"

[18:06:08]

abbronzato:

thx

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abbronzato:

found

[18:07:11]

devinheitmueller:

The content is user contributed, so it's as good as the moron who submitted the information.

[18:07:31]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:07:33]

devinheitmueller:

... also worth noting that there *is* no such product as an "HD-PVR 1250".

[18:07:42]

devinheitmueller:

There's an HVR-1250 and and HD-PVR 1215.

[18:07:43]

wagnerrp:

told him repeatedly

[18:07:48]

wagnerrp:

but... its worth repeating

[18:08:07]

abbronzato:

ok i'll report it as well

[18:08:10]

Beirdo:

HD-PVR 1212, no?

[18:08:10]

devinheitmueller:

Well, it's especially funny since it's not just the wrong product, it's a non-existent product.

[18:08:12]

Beirdo:

anyways :)

[18:08:14]

wagnerrp:

report what?

[18:08:19]

devinheitmueller:

Pardon, doh, yeah 1212.

[18:08:38]

wagnerrp:

nevermind

[18:08:39]

Beirdo:

the fact remains though :)

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abbronzato:

can i add as well yours nickname in the email?

[18:16:31]

abbronzato:

can i add as well yours nicknames in the email? (i copy all the last irc log)

[18:17:41]

wagnerrp:

dont copy the irc log or our names

[18:17:51]

wagnerrp:

just say the text file is wrong

[18:18:02]

wagnerrp:

and that there is no such product as an HDPVR-1250

[18:18:11]

abbronzato:

ok

[18:18:37]

wagnerrp:

and that while there is an HVR-1250, other devices are falling through to that name

[18:19:05]

devinheitmueller:

The submitter probably sent in an entry that set all cx23885 devices as that name (not taking into account the subid)

[18:19:22]

abbronzato:

i add the last 2 lines

[18:19:51]

devinheitmueller:

What does "lspci -n" report?

[18:20:54]

devinheitmueller:

Nevermind.

[18:21:18]

abbronzato:

02:00.0 0400: 14f1:8880 (rev 04) for that card

[18:21:42]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's what happened. Somebody submitted that all devices with vendor ID Conexant and product id 8800 are that board.

[18:21:44]

devinheitmueller:

(which is clearly wrong)

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abbronzato:

http://fpaste.org/5WRL/ is ok ?

[18:25:27]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's probably fine. If he has a question about the veracity of the claim, he can email dheitmueller at hauppauge.com.

[18:26:41]

abbronzato:

ok, thanks

[18:26:46]

devinheitmueller:

np

[18:29:15]

devinheitmueller:

In reality, the PCI table probably just needs an entry such as: http://pastebin.org/1088864

[18:30:04]

devinheitmueller:

Doh. This is a 4400. Nevermind.

[18:30:35]

devinheitmueller:

Let's try that again: http://pastebin.org/1088878

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abbronzato:

i see a month long keep in that server, i add it as well to the email

[18:39:51]

blizzard`:

Hi

[18:40:12]

blizzard`:

My mythtv setup has gone stupid, ringbuf file wont fill up

[18:40:17]

blizzard`:

2010-09–22 20:39:03.968 RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.6:6543/10090_20100922204002.mpg) Error: Waited 16 seconds for data, aborting.

[18:40:20]

blizzard`:

2010-09–22 20:39:03.968 RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.6:6543/10090_20100922204002.mpg) Warning: Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning 0

[18:40:23]

blizzard`:

2010-09–22 20:39:03.968 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.1.6:6543/10090_20100922204002.mpg

[18:40:42]

blizzard`:

I follow the channel changes with femon, and I get a lock at ones

[18:41:45]

blizzard`:

snowball:/export/video/tv# du -hs ./live/10090_20100922204002.mpg

[18:41:45]

blizzard`:

4.0K ./live/10090_20100922204002.mpg

[18:41:50]

blizzard`:

no luck =/

[18:42:01]

blizzard`:

restarted the backend and the frontend without success

[18:42:12]

blizzard`:

tried with another computer/frontend, and same result

[18:42:30]

blizzard`:

captured datastream doesnt fill the file

[18:42:44]

blizzard`:

I have no clue where to look, anyone got an idea?

[18:45:13]

wagnerrp:

have you checked your backend logs to see why the recording was failing?

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abbronzato:

sent, maybe a lspci developper wants to kill me now :9

[18:54:19]

wagnerrp:

maybe a lspci developer will stop making up fake hardware

[18:54:59]

abbronzato:

but without this info is really hard find any info's

[18:55:03]

Beirdo:

heh, the fake hardware was undoubtedly a stupid luser submission

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abbronzato:

about this card

[18:55:52]

Beirdo:

YAY

[18:56:10]

Beirdo:

shipping on the MiniPCIe card.. $8.77 UPS Ground

[18:56:26]

Beirdo:

$64.67 total

[18:56:31]

Beirdo:

not that bad, really

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blizzard`:

wagn: doesnt show

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blizzard`:

2010-09–22 20:48:42.769 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '10090_20100922204519.mpg'

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blizzard`:

that's all I get

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Criggie:

Beirdo: what do you do with cacti ?

[19:08:14]

Beirdo:

graph things, duh :)

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johnnyj:

does the make command cause the python bindings to get updated? I haven't run make install and yet I'm getting emails from cron: Database schema 1254 not supported.

[19:09:12]

johnnyj:

Bindings support schema version 1263

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Beirdo:

you are running new bindings against an old database.

[19:10:37]

Criggie:

Beirdo: anything special? I graph the number of active tuners, the number of recordings currently, and the total number of recordings ever

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Beirdo:

you need to upgrade all or nothing.

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wagnerrp:

your database is 0.23, but the bindings are trunk

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wagnerrp:

did you try to manually update jamu or something?

[19:11:19]

wagnerrp:

should have known that wouldnt work out well

[19:11:28]

johnnyj:

Beirdo: I had ran make on a new checkout of trunk and I was waiting until i get home from work for the make-install

[19:11:35]

Beirdo:

Criggie: I'm planning on graphing all sorts of crap, I haven't made the graphs for MythTV yet, working on collecting the stats

[19:11:53]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: apparently you did run 'make install'

[19:11:58]

wagnerrp:

either that, or the makefile is broken

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Beirdo:

or the cronjob is real funky and runs from the source dir.

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Beirdo:

which would be tricky to do

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johnnyj:

my bad, I ran the make install – wasn't paying attention

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Beirdo:

yeah, you'll need to restart your backend to update schema, etc

[19:28:28]

wagnerrp:

or run mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

of course the backend should be shut down when you update schema

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wagnerrp:

so youll have to restart it one way or another

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johnnyj:

im checking open tickets

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wagnerrp:

for what?

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johnnyj:

is it pretty stable?

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wagnerrp:

there are some glaring issues, but it works for the most part

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johnnyj:

i wasn't planning to upgrade my live instance today

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wagnerrp:

i think most of the devs are running it as their primary

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wagnerrp:

understand that we should have had an RC monday, but it was held off do to some significant outstanding issues

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wagnerrp:

there are problems with qt 4.7, some deadlocks, some audio sync and stuttering playback issues

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larrikin:

hrmm I'm having single-record schedules end up as 'not record--no listing' some time after they are originally created, presumably as a result of a later run of mythfilldb .. this is frustrating

[19:54:58]

wagnerrp:

those should be culled after the event by the housekeeper

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larrikin:

I'd like the schedule to actually record

[19:56:11]

wagnerrp:

is it past the time set on the rule?

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johnnyj:

so if my bindings got updated, how can I back out of that?

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: pull down a copy of 0.23, go to mythtv/bindings/python

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wagnerrp:

and 'python setup.py install'

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johnnyj:

nice

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larrikin:

not yet, I readded some schedules, now I have an almost duplicate schedule, one 'N' and now one set to record properly..

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: have you seen any of the clear logo stuff? http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=71954

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Criggie:

Beirdo: http://criggie.dyndns.org/mythtv/mythtv-cacti.png

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Criggie:

thats ~2 years

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I've seen them, but until they're supported at one of the metadata sources, I'm probably not going to do anything about them

[20:07:28]

wagnerrp:

you have some vacation time last december?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I had some nice graphs years back

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, thats the problem... its an independent grabber just for those images

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Beirdo:

but I lost teh code, and want to do it differently anyways

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dustybin:

Criggie: what software did you use to create those graphs

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Criggie:

Beirdo: fair enough – I'm a graph hoe :)

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Criggie:

dustybin: just cacti.

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Beirdo:

cacti

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: its right in the name

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dustybin:

aye nice

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** dustybin downloads and installs **

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Beirdo:

now the scripts to pull out the numbers, thats' teh fun part

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kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/1946797

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kormoc:

it's like we didn't have the numbers already exposed somewhere

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wagnerrp:

sure, if you want to parse mythweb html

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Beirdo:

what's that the output of, kormoc?

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wagnerrp:

the mythweb statistics page

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kormoc:

^^

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

k

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just write a xml template and it'll dump it in xml, or json, or what not

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kormoc:

it'd take 5 minutes to translate it into any format you wanted

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wagnerrp:

hehe... 153 recorded episodes of chappelle's show

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Beirdo:

yeah, cool

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wagnerrp:

looks like the auto-expirer has been going nuts on those

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Beirdo:

however, it's not the numbers I'm necessarily looking for, but that is sweet

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kormoc:

Beirdo, so add the ones you want :P

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Beirdo:

I want graphs :)

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wagnerrp:

hes saying add the data points you want to that page, and pull that page instead of the backend

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Beirdo:

but yeah, there may be some things I'll want to add there later

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Criggie:

auto-expirer has taste

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wagnerrp:

then you could set it up to be pre-formatted

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wagnerrp:

and not need a script cacti-side

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Beirdo:

ummm, yeah, I doubt that

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Beirdo:

cacti is a PITA

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

and some of what I want to graph is already in the status xml

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Beirdo:

but yeah, I'll look at adding more stats there later :)

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wagnerrp:

all of what you want is in the status xml, if you add one of those 'extra information' scripts

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larrikin:

wagnerrp: I've compared the schedules in the db, the starttime has shifted between original schedule, which is now marked 'N' and new schedule which is current (I'd also elected start offset/end offset differently, but I doubt that is involved) .. so my question is, if the starttime of a schedule is set, and a guide data update alters the schedule, is there any mechanism atm to adjust the schedule or at least let the original schedule run at

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Beirdo:

"all" is a loaded word :)

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wagnerrp:

is it udo's fault that ive spent 0% of my time recording instead of 8%?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i mean all

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Beirdo:

especially as I don't even know yet all of what I want to graph :)

[20:16:14]

wagnerrp:

i still mean all

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larrikin:

s/alters the schedule/alters the program/

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Miscellaneous_Status_Information

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Beirdo:

yeah, that is also cool :)

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wagnerrp:

if you told mythtv to record a specific show at a specific time, and that show is no longer at that time, there is nothing mythtv can do

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wagnerrp:

better to tell it to record a single instance

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wagnerrp:

and let it decide the best time to record it

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Beirdo:

that doesn't seem to fill out the XML version though, does it?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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larrikin:

wagnerrp: okay ..

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Beirdo:

ah maybe it does

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

looks like the script is designed to output xml

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wagnerrp:

and have some syntax command to tell the web server how to bake it to html

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

well, I still like my way too :)

[20:19:31]

Beirdo:

but I'll probably add more to be reported via the backend

[20:22:29]

Beirdo:

the stats in mythweb for which shows / channels have most recordings is cool

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Beirdo:

that's not something I'd be graphing though

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kisak:

it's wildly inaccurate on my system :D

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wagnerrp:

kisak: how so?

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kisak:

except for the runtime stats

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kisak:

I have trouble believing that I've recorded 4764 shows in 3 years 4 months

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wagnerrp:

i think that includes duplicates

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kormoc:

it does

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wagnerrp:

multiple showings of the same episode

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kormoc:

if a show expires and then gets re-recorded, it's 2

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kisak:

it's only been 3 weeks since I've had more than 4 HD channels which would cover that idea

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wagnerrp:

do you use livetv?

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kisak:

not really

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at0m:

wagnerrp: would ever zap be added to the count?

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at0m:

s/ever/every

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wagnerrp:

yep

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at0m:

eheh

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wagnerrp:

(i assume)

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wagnerrp:

if you flip between two shows repeatedly, it may only add two entries

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wagnerrp:

since they would be existing chanid and starttime

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at0m:

but different files

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wagnerrp:

the only part i dont like is the percent time spent recording is divided by the current number of capture inputs

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wagnerrp:

at0m: its counting entries in the oldrecorded tables

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at0m:

i see

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wagnerrp:

so if you record a whole bunch, and then revert to a single tuner, you could have a very high percentage

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

but if you have your digital tuners set up with multiple virtual tuners each

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wagnerrp:

youll have a very low percentage

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Beirdo:

hard to get around that.

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at0m:

if it wouldn't divide, mythbackend could indeed record 250% of time =]

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, i dont like its handling of virtual tuners

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at0m:

yea with loads of virtual tuners that'd be no good

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Beirdo:

hmmm, be nice to track number of recordings at 1080i, 720p, etc

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Beirdo:

and H.264 vs MPEG-2

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wagnerrp:

something to add to the recordfile rework

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Beirdo:

unfortunately, not sure we actually store the latter yet

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wagnerrp:

we dont store the former either

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at0m:

< PAL 8)

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wagnerrp:

oldrecorded doesnt get any of that stuff

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Beirdo:

the former I can get from the stored resolution and framerate in recordedmarkup

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Beirdo:

I don't mean historically, I mean current

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wagnerrp:

only while the recording still xists

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Beirdo:

but yeah, historically would be cool too

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Criggie:

http://criggie.dyndns.org/pictures/?pic=quake/qfirewall1.jpg

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Criggie:

my current desktop after the quake.

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Criggie:

still works

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wagnerrp:

quake?

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wagnerrp:

pedestal server case?

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Criggie:

yeah

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Criggie:

IBM x206... couple years old

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Criggie:

had a brick beam fall on it

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Criggie:

still goes fine

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wagnerrp:

surprised you didnt snap off those PCI cards

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Criggie:

they all popped out but didn't break

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johnnyj:

yay: i jsut got buy in on running the new .24 on my main system

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wagnerrp:

buy in?

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johnnyj:

yeah, other half

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Criggie:

SWMBO

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Criggie:

the handbrake

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Criggie:

I'm still running 0.21

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Criggie:

:-\

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wagnerrp:

but hun... new toys!

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Sickler:

quick question, im setting up a htpc rig, and i was wondering if mythtv can playback .iso files like windows media can

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wagnerrp:

windows media player can handle ISO files?

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Sickler:

yea

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wagnerrp:

since when?

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johnnyj:

and i gotta say the list at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24 is impressive

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wagnerrp:

like disk images?

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Sickler:

no not wmp but

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wagnerrp:

you dont need some external program to mount them to a virtual drive first?

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Sickler:

windows media center***

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wagnerrp:

same question

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Sickler:

no that that i know of

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Sickler:

it just worked when i did it last

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wagnerrp:

anyway, yes

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo supports ISOs

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: most of that is thanks to skd5aner

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wagnerrp:

not the commits, but the actual documenting of all of it

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Sickler:

is there any card you can recommend for a htpc build that would work well on a tv instead of a monitor

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: hey there's no '5' in 'TEAM'

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wagnerrp:

what team? he did nearly all of it single handedly

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dustybin:

SD looks better on a CRT rather than a HDTV, do you guys agree?

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Sickler:

idk what kinda of card one would use to just be able to play media from a tvpc

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Sickler:

htpc*

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wagnerrp:

a video card?

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Sickler:

yea but that would be for a monitor

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wagnerrp:

right

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Sickler:

i mean if i want to play it on a tv

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wagnerrp:

a video card

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Sickler:

so a tv tuner card is just for recording?

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wagnerrp:

as per its name

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Sickler:

interesting..............

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stuartm:

Sickler: SD television, or HD? Does it have component, composite, s-video, dvi, vga or hdmi inputs?

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wagnerrp:

note that mythtv is designed for recording

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wagnerrp:

it expects it will have a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

and will complain if it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

and in response to stuartm's question, in all cases, you would still use a video card

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wagnerrp:

the format just limits you to what video cards you can use

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stuartm:

because you might see where I'm going, you need a graphics card with the appropriate output, many card come with HDMI these days, and of course DVI/VGA

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Sickler:

stuartm:i just want to be able to playback .iso images on a tv without having to buy windows 7 for windows media center

[20:48:43]

stuartm:

Sickler: you asked about which video card you would need, I'm trying to answer your question with specifics

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at0m:

Sickler: some, like my pvr150 and 250 do have tv (composite, s-video) outputs. but they can only output recordings, not other codecs like DVD or divx

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wagnerrp:

if you have no intent to ever record tv, you might want to find something simpler to set up than mythtv

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stuartm:

at0m: PVR-150 and 250 do not have output

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wagnerrp:

at0m: the ... what stuartm said

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stuartm:

and you're just going to confuse the issue, especially since the 250 hasn't been produced for years

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Sickler:

so all i need is to match the outputs and inputs i.e dvi/hdmi and what not and have myth tv do the rest*

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wagnerrp:

or the 150 for that matter

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Sickler:

after loading my .isos of course

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stuartm:

Sickler: yes

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at0m:

stuartm: hoh, one is a 350

[20:50:23]

Sickler:

stuartm: thanks that cleared everything up

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wagnerrp:

mythtv's sole purpose is to schedule, recording, and play back tv from tuner and capture cards

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stuartm:

at0m: which also hasn't been produced for years, only does SD and is not really recommended

[20:51:09]

wagnerrp:

playback of random video files is done through a plugin, mythvideo

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Sickler:

k

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stuartm:

Sickler: are you familiar with linux?

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wagnerrp:

at0m: and hardware accelerated support on the 350 has been removed

[20:52:18]

at0m:

stuartm: i know, it's my last rescue to watch unencrypted stuff here... all the rest is with proprietary PVR's =\

[20:52:37]

at0m:

it's been sitting in the basement headless backend for some years now

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Sickler:

stuartm: user for 2 years just bc i find its easy and cheap and safe, nothing overly technical but yea i can say im familiar to a point

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wagnerrp:

the 150/500s are generally considered to have better capture quality than the older cards, and are available cheaply used on ebay

[20:53:16]

wagnerrp:

for HD, the only option is the HDPVR

[20:53:29]

wagnerrp:

Sickler: linux is only as safe as the user using it

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wagnerrp:

you can screw up pretty easily on linux

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wagnerrp:

its not a crutch for poor security practices

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Sickler:

i dont use outsider programs or repositories

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wagnerrp:

do you have ssh turned on?

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Sickler:

and im usually safe as it is just bc im paranoid

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stuartm:

Sickler: ok, you'll probably be fine, I'd recommend an all in one install like MythBuntu or LinHES all the same, they offer the operating system and MythTV in a single package and attempt to simplify some of the setup

[20:54:49]

wagnerrp:

if you behave properly on windows, its just as safe as linux

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Sickler:

ok stuartm ill look into those

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wagnerrp:

i really dont understand people who rag on windows security

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wagnerrp:

'swtich to linux/osx and youll stop getting viruses'... no, stop being an idiot and youll stop getting viruses

[21:01:31]

wagnerrp:

anyone know if the nmap os fingerprinting can differentiate between different blends of linux?

[21:02:16]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: sometimes. At one point nmap would compare the TCP tuning variables against defaults for various distros.

[21:02:42]

devinheitmueller:

... but as most distros have eventually ended up with the same tuning values nowadays, it isn't really that effective as it used to be.

[21:03:29]

wagnerrp:

it would just be interesting to have something watch for ssh probes, and see what the breakdown between different compromised boxes is

[21:03:47]

wagnerrp:

what distros, server versus desktop variants, etc...

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clever:

wagnerrp: the last ssh based virus i saw uploaded its name/pw list to the infected host, you might be able to fake letting it in to get that, then connect back and use the list

[21:04:51]

clever:

then clean the pc that just tried to infect you

[21:07:04]

wagnerrp:

i could... but that would be criminal behavior

[21:07:34]

clever:

yeah, borderline since your connecting to him without permision

[21:07:50]

wagnerrp:

vigilantism is still illegal, even in the computer world

[21:08:18]

clever:

even if your just disabling a virus and leaving a note on the fridge saying he should fix his pw?

[21:08:28]

wagnerrp:

uh huh

[21:08:35]

wagnerrp:

its unlawful access

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stuartm:

go straight to gaol, do not pass go, do not collect Â£200

[21:10:00]

wagnerrp:

thats why no one does it

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wagnerrp:

people have written worms in the past which break into a vulnerable system, clean it out, patch it up, and propagate for a short time before self terminating

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wagnerrp:

even with the best of intentions, everyone writes bugs

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wagnerrp:

there will be flaws, and you will break systems

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wagnerrp:

heck, even the viruses themselves now work to clean off your system

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wagnerrp:

why share a compromised system with other botnets when you can have it all to yourself

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dustybin:

worms done properly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

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wagnerrp:

why is that done properly?

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wagnerrp:

because it targets specific industrial control systems?

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dustybin:

its the cleverness of programming a logic board

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wagnerrp:

you take down a personal computer or some business systems, who cares

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wagnerrp:

you disrupt the operation of an embedded industrial system, people die

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dustybin:

eek :-S

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clever:

lol, siemens says not to change default passwords

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wagnerrp:

viruses in systems running heavy machinery is a BAD THING

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dustybin:

maybe it isnt clever after all

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, they might try to build a terminator!

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wagnerrp:

oh, its clever

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wagnerrp:

it also goes well beyond normal computer crime

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wagnerrp:

you could make an argument for attempted murder

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dustybin:

eeeeeeeeek

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clever:

yeah, from the wiki, it looks like alot of work went into it

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clever:

more then usual

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wagnerrp:

especially considering the speculation that the real intended target were siemens control systems in an iranian nuclear plant

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dustybin:

this is like something out of terminator films lol

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dustybin:

jeeeze

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clever:

self-destruct the plant!

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wagnerrp:

and of course with the complexity of such a targeted attack is the speculation that it was backed by some government

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wagnerrp:

more so considering the politically sensitive nature of the possible target

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, its kinda hard to tell what its doing in that PLC, without getting a look at the original code

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sceo:

how can I force a frontend to connect/use a particular backend? I think it's using uPNP now and it's picking my slower slave backend, and i'd rather it pick the master backend

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sphery:

sceo: frontends always connect to the master backend. You have a misconfiguration where your remote backend thinks it's a master backend.

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sphery:

frontends only connect to remote backends to have them serve the files they recorded

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sceo:

sphery ok cool thanks

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sphery:

So it's official... I'm breaking my recording policy. I'm not going to record L&O: LA. It will be the first non-reality new series I haven't recorded in years.

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sphery:

figure since I didn't watch any of the other 30 years of L&O, I'll never watch the new one

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kormoc:

you're missing out! L&O:SVU is pretty good

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kisak:

has it really been that long?

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iamlindoro:

I saw a mockup for something that had "Law and Order: Maritime" as a show

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iamlindoro:

I chuckled

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kormoc:

soul crushing and depressing, but good

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EvilGuru:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/sep/15/b . . . el-one-bdkyb — sigh

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sphery:

kisak: seems this year is season 20 of the original L&O

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kormoc:

it was canceled, no?

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EvilGuru:

Virgin 1/Channel One is actually not a half bad channel

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, yeah, last year was season 20

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EvilGuru:

sphery: Yeah, L&O is gone

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EvilGuru:

I think that SVU is still going strong and criminal intent may get another series

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sphery:

"this year" = 5/24/2010

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kormoc:

SVU is 99 – now (not canceled! WOOT!)

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sphery:

reminds me that I missed about 16 hours off woot-off

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sphery:

stil nothing too interesting for me

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kisak:

they should launch the cablecard hdhomerun on woot, that'll turn alot of heads

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kormoc:

they should have folks dressed up like a hdhomerun and skydive to the sounds of bjork while a elephant does tricks on a ball on the ground. That'll turn alot of heads

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sphery:

I heard that's the new opening for Family Guy

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kormoc:

those tricky dolphins

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** EvilGuru watched an episode of family guy....once **

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Linkeroo:

once is enough

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Linkeroo:

i don't get the attraction to that show

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EvilGuru:

I can see how people enjoy it — in contrast to say reality tv — however it is just a bit offensive for my liking

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wagnerrp:

theres a wootoff going on?

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wagnerrp:

it just doesnt have the appeal it once did

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the HP touch screen could have been interesting

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Beirdo:

soooo quiet, BTW

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Beirdo:

Hmm, I should find an ubuntu desktop CD to boot, take a look at my lshw

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wagnerrp:

and the graphic chipset would have supported hardware video decoding if need be.... if ATI ever got their act together

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wagnerrp:

how the crap did they make room for a full x16 expansion slot in that thing?

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kisak:

there's an old issue, I believe ATi's final answer was opening up the specs for the opensource driver to take over

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wagnerrp:

kisak: they only opened up the specs for the GPU, not the VPU

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wagnerrp:

although $650 for that thing is still fairly pricey

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Beirdo:

booting off CD... on a SATA DVDRW attached via USB... internally

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wagnerrp:

plus it was sold out in just over a minute

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wagnerrp:

only four units

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wagnerrp:

$35 for a leatherman-like tool... probably cheap junk

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sid3windr:

very much cheap junk ;>

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sid3windr:

but it's done what it was supposed to in many occasions too ;)

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wagnerrp:

what is this 'The Resistance' on syfy?

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wagnerrp:

are they just airing the BSG webisodes by the same name?

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Beirdo:

dunno

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wagnerrp:

wow... 'Hardcore Pawn'

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