| Monday, September 13th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | Beirdo: | hey, that's not right |
| [00:00:08] | Gav8in: | i have a lucid system that tracks mythbuntu 23.1 |
| [00:00:21] | Gav8in: | i upgrade it manually periodically, most recently tonight |
| [00:00:28] | Gav8in: | the last upgrade was only about 200 revs back in the svn tree |
| [00:00:33] | Beirdo: | we can't have more than one Gavin in the channel, the universe will implode! |
| [00:00:37] | wagnerrp: | at some point of 0.23 development, the HDHR libraries were updated and broken |
| [00:00:44] | l33tlinuxh4x0r: | http://pastebin.com/EMaKNswF |
| [00:00:54] | wagnerrp: | the brokenness was caused by having two recordings run at the same time |
| [00:01:06] | Gav8in: | beirdo: i get the same thing in the chrome chnnaels, there's a firefox developer named Gavin who tracks chrome development there... |
| [00:01:08] | wagnerrp: | when the first recording ended, it terminated the second recording as well |
| [00:01:12] | wagnerrp: | even if it had just started |
| [00:01:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:01:30] | Gav8in: | wagnerr, that's interesting. one sec, i am going to read logs to see if I can blame this on that |
| [00:01:40] | Beirdo: | aren't many of us out there |
| [00:01:56] | Gav8in: | beirdo, his nick is "Gavin" too. He was getting alerted whenever other chrome hackers send me pubmsgs |
| [00:01:57] | Gav8in: | was funny |
| [00:02:26] | Gav8in: | beirdo, are you in north america? |
| [00:02:31] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [00:02:32] | Gav8in: | Gavin is a common enough name for people under six in north america |
| [00:02:41] | Gav8in: | i hear a woman shout Gavin, odds are she's not calling me |
| [00:02:42] | Beirdo: | Born in Canada, now in Seattle |
| [00:02:49] | Gav8in: | ah. i'm from Toronto, and in Boston |
| [00:02:50] | wagnerrp: | l33tlinuxh4x0r: looks like your starting channel is not set, or tuning is broken for some reason |
| [00:02:52] | Gav8in: | the other end of I-90 |
| [00:02:53] | Beirdo: | GAH, they are diluting our name |
| [00:03:08] | Beirdo: | born in Kitchener, personally, grew up around Parry Sound |
| [00:03:19] | Gav8in: | ah, i went to waterloo |
| [00:03:23] | Beirdo: | me too |
| [00:03:27] | Gav8in: | what year? |
| [00:03:31] | Gav8in: | i was in PM/CS |
| [00:03:41] | Gav8in: | dropped out after two years. 1994–1996 |
| [00:03:41] | Beirdo: | quite literally the other end of I-90 (within view of my apt) |
| [00:03:44] | Gav8in: | i'm sure i'd remember you if i'd met |
| [00:03:49] | Gav8in: | the name thing |
| [00:03:52] | Beirdo: | 1997 grad EE |
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| [00:03:59] | Beirdo: | but I was a CSC member |
| [00:04:03] | Gav8in: | you know Mark Frazer or Chris Trudeau? |
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| [00:04:11] | Gav8in: | I was CSC sysadmin in '95 for a term |
| [00:04:18] | Beirdo: | recognize both name |
| [00:04:19] | Gav8in: | went badly, i didn't have the time nor deal well with the complaints |
| [00:04:24] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [00:04:28] | ** Beirdo hangs his head ** | |
| [00:04:29] | Gav8in: | you must know Bruno Priess |
| [00:04:41] | Beirdo: | I was one making some of said complaints at the time |
| [00:04:42] | Beirdo: | yes |
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| [00:04:51] | Gav8in: | now he's good people; he was my boss for a while at SOMA networks, he's at RIM now |
| [00:04:54] | Beirdo: | Craig Bruce was a housemate too. |
| [00:05:06] | Gav8in: | Craig Bruce I'm not remembering |
| [00:05:09] | Beirdo: | scary. We have met (briefly) |
| [00:05:12] | Gav8in: | how about Blake Winton ? |
| [00:05:29] | Beirdo: | he was a PhD candidate doing distributed computing in CS. |
| [00:05:36] | Beirdo: | don't recall that name |
| [00:05:40] | Gav8in: | ohhhh. ABD for 8+ years? |
| [00:05:43] | Gav8in: | (Craig Bruce) |
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| [00:06:01] | Beirdo: | I haven't seen him since graduation |
| [00:06:10] | Beirdo: | last I heard he's in the Ottawa area |
| [00:06:21] | Beirdo: | a Commodore 128 hacker too. |
| [00:06:36] | Beirdo: | anyways, sorry for giving you such a hard time back in the day |
| [00:06:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [00:07:17] | Gav8in: | geez, i barely remember it |
| [00:07:22] | Beirdo: | good :) |
| [00:07:35] | Gav8in: | I-90 is probably the longest freeway in north ameriac |
| [00:07:39] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [00:07:41] | Gav8in: | i am near it, but it is over 8 miles to its eastern end |
| [00:08:02] | Gav8in: | from the exit, it is two turns to get to my house |
| [00:08:05] | Gav8in: | sorry, three |
| [00:08:07] | Beirdo: | I'm about a mile from the western end, which ends at I-5, basically |
| [00:08:19] | Gav8in: | I-90 used to end at I-93, but now I-90 contineus to the airport |
| [00:08:38] | Gav8in: | that's what the big dig did for traffic |
| [00:08:59] | Gav8in: | wagnerpp, it seems for at least some affected recordings, nothing was stopping at the same time as the show starting |
| [00:09:03] | l33tlinuxh4x0r: | http://pastebin.com/7ndnGCEr |
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| [00:09:51] | Gav8in: | e.g, this pasting shows an affectd Pocoyo |
| [00:09:55] | Gav8in: | 2010-09–11 07:01:30.977 Finished recording Thomas & Friends "Friends and Family": channel 1022 |
| [00:09:55] | Gav8in: | 2010-09–11 08:29:32.039 Started recording: Pocoyo: channel 1271 on cardid 1, sourceid 1 |
| [00:09:55] | Gav8in: | 2010-09–11 09:00:02.658 Finished recording Pocoyo: channel 1271 |
| [00:09:55] | Gav8in: | 2010-09–11 09:00:02.814 Finished recording Pocoyo: channel 1271 |
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| [00:13:54] | l33tlinuxh4x0r: | mythsocket is not connecting |
| [00:19:53] | l33tlinuxh4x0r: | ainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0x2168b00) |
| [00:19:53] | l33tlinuxh4x0r: | 2010-09–12 20:17:30.402 MythSocket(2168b00:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
| [00:19:54] | l33tlinuxh4x0r: | We wrote 0 of 10 bytes with 1 errors |
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| [00:22:02] | [R]: | mythtv-backend (0.23.1+fixes26231–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 => 0.23.1+fixes26231–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2) |
| [00:22:08] | [R]: | wtf... am i blind... those 2 versions look the same |
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| [00:29:04] | johnf1911: | still working on getting the blaster on my HD-PVR working |
| [00:29:06] | johnf1911: | Sep 12 20:28:48 carbon lircd-0.8.6[18422]: "2147614720": must be a valid (lirc_t) number |
| [00:29:13] | johnf1911: | anyone familiar with this error? |
| [00:29:39] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [00:29:46] | Beirdo: | you need a newer lircs |
| [00:29:54] | johnf1911: | feared that might be the case |
| [00:30:01] | Beirdo: | lircd rather. CVS/SVN from lirc should work |
| [00:30:25] | Beirdo: | IIRC that's all I had to do |
| [00:30:38] | johnf1911: | well, when I saw the message, I was pretty sure that was what was necessary |
| [00:30:39] | Beirdo: | it's due to using signed int where they shoulda used unsigned :) |
| [00:30:42] | johnf1911: | but I thought I'd confirm |
| [00:30:54] | johnf1911: | ah, I see |
| [00:31:18] | Beirdo: | and if I remember right, that's how I ended up fixing it |
| [00:31:57] | johnf1911: | # Install LIRC as appropriate for your distribution. Note: If your distribution does not package a sufficiently recent copy of LIRC to include support for the HD-PVR IR emitter, you may need to compile it yourself. |
| [00:32:05] | johnf1911: | this sentance from the wiki would be a lot better |
| [00:32:10] | johnf1911: | if it told you the resulting error condition |
| [00:32:22] | johnf1911: | and the definition of "sufficiently recent" ;) |
| [00:32:33] | [R]: | johnf1911: the error has nothing to do with that statement |
| [00:32:39] | [R]: | johnf1911: completely diffenret thing |
| [00:32:44] | johnf1911: | oh? |
| [00:33:05] | [R]: | one is talking about the driver not being there... one is talking about a bug in lirc |
| [00:33:11] | [R]: | and iirc... its only in 64bit lirc |
| [00:33:16] | johnf1911: | lol |
| [00:33:24] | johnf1911: | it would appear I brought this upon myself |
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| [00:34:11] | johnf1911: | hmm, at this point I should probably just rip the distro lirc |
| [00:34:17] | johnf1911: | as I'm no longer using any part of it |
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| [00:39:39] | darkdrgnk: | hey all |
| [00:39:53] | darkdrgnk: | is it possible to get the internet video plugin to use a proxy :-P |
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| [00:40:45] | [R]: | configure qt to use a proxy |
| [00:41:03] | darkdrgnk: | [R]: anyway to make ONLY netvision use it :-P |
| [00:41:21] | ** Beirdo slaps BSD make down to the ground ** | |
| [00:41:36] | [R]: | lol |
| [00:41:50] | [R]: | sopunds like you are trying to view content you aren't supposeed to vie |
| [00:42:16] | wagnerrp: | move to the US and/or england |
| [00:42:24] | darkdrgnk: | [r]: Sopposed to is such a harsh word... |
| [00:42:39] | darkdrgnk: | cause the CONTENT is vieable here in canada :-P |
| [00:42:44] | wagnerrp: | http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_y . . . 13328AAdmhIN |
| [00:42:57] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: trying to make BSD make auto-start gmake |
| [00:43:34] | Beirdo: | but .if vs if |
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| [00:52:33] | sphery: | if only licenses worked the way our users think they work |
| [00:52:45] | sphery: | we could have a world without lawyers |
| [00:52:58] | sphery: | and, for that matter, without licenses--since our users seem to think that licenses mean nothing |
| [00:53:45] | johnf1911: | I assume the released version from 06-Sep-2010 would also be fine, instead of SVN, for the must be a valid (lirc_t) number issue |
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| [00:54:14] | wagnerrp: | there was no mythtv version released on sep. 6 |
| [00:54:20] | johnf1911: | lirc |
| [00:55:37] | Beirdo: | OK, I figureid it out |
| [01:07:42] | darkdrgnk: | ok any way i can forse ASLAMIXER to max out my MASTER and SPEAKER mixers? |
| [01:07:52] | darkdrgnk: | when myth starts for some reason they get set to 1/2 |
| [01:08:00] | darkdrgnk: | and PCM is used to control volume (which is fine) |
| [01:08:12] | [R]: | darkdrgnk: volume control is a setting in the frontend |
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| [01:20:58] | kisak: | why is it so hard to find a mpeg2 demuxer that can handle both HD content and 5 channel ac3? |
| [01:21:12] | [R]: | demuxer? |
| [01:21:49] | kisak: | to split the audio and video from each other |
| [01:22:03] | [R]: | you mean like ffmpeg? |
| [01:22:39] | kisak: | indeed, except ffmpeg isn't improving the results |
| [01:22:50] | [R]: | improving? |
| [01:23:19] | kisak: | mythtranscode is failing with error 232 on alot of shows I capture |
| [01:23:41] | [R]: | ok you lost me |
| [01:23:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode usually fails only because there is corruption in your recording |
| [01:24:03] | kisak: | it was suggested to remux the file so that there's a better chance of success |
| [01:24:54] | kisak: | well, is there a different approach? |
| [01:25:03] | kisak: | some way to heal the recording? |
| [01:27:06] | [R]: | don't record garbage? |
| [01:28:40] | kisak: | umm... |
| [01:28:51] | kisak: | how insightful |
| [01:28:54] | Beirdo: | I have a lot of HD content with 6 channel AC3 |
| [01:28:57] | Beirdo: | 5.1 |
| [01:29:25] | Beirdo: | and if it's not working, it's because your recording is crap. You need better signal strength, etc |
| [01:29:38] | kisak: | now that's funny |
| [01:29:40] | Beirdo: | in 99%+ of the cases, that would be the reason |
| [01:30:01] | kisak: | because this is FiOS and it's modulated in-house |
| [01:30:04] | Beirdo: | if the recording is corrupted, it won't work well |
| [01:30:24] | Beirdo: | well, there's no way to tell from here ;) |
| [01:30:27] | kisak: | the signal strength is a hair below 100% |
| [01:30:45] | Beirdo: | my MPEG2 OTA stuff works great... my HDPVR H.264 works great |
| [01:30:51] | wagnerrp: | strength and quality are two completely different things |
| [01:31:14] | wagnerrp: | and strength coming from digital tuners in linux is often completely meaningless |
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| [01:32:16] | kisak: | the content caught by the hdhomerun is fine, the majority of the content coming over firewire is troubling |
| [01:32:52] | Beirdo: | well, without samples, there's no way we can diagnose it past theory |
| [01:33:05] | kisak: | what kind of sample do you need? |
| [01:33:22] | Beirdo: | a 30MB or so chunk of bad recording could be useful to see what you are encountering |
| [01:33:30] | Beirdo: | dd is your friend :) |
| [01:34:38] | Beirdo: | oooh, I love the comments for [26277] |
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| [01:39:05] | wagnerrp: | hehe... i love the idiots that post to the mailing list asking to be removed |
| [01:40:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:40:47] | johnf1911: | ;_; |
| [01:41:48] | kisak: | where should I throw this sample file? |
| [01:42:29] | wagnerrp: | what what what? someone intelligent in a movie? amazing! |
| [01:43:28] | wagnerrp: | watching cloverfield, on FX... theyre walking down a subway track |
| [01:43:45] | wagnerrp: | the rats are running, theyre running away from something... moments later, theyre running too |
| [01:44:48] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:44:57] | [R]: | i had a moment once where everyone around me was running |
| [01:44:58] | [R]: | and i had no clue |
| [01:45:07] | [R]: | i consequtnly started choking and threw up |
| [01:46:22] | etotheipi: | I'm using Mythbuntu 10.04, and mythfilldatabase sometimes segfaults after "Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request"; even if it doesn't, no program data is accessible (log: http://pastebin.com/09XPzC3Z) |
| [01:46:53] | etotheipi: | I thought everything was fixed, last time I was here ;-P |
| [01:48:38] | [R]: | etotheipi: and you are usijng he mythbuntu-repo with the 0.23.1 version selected? |
| [01:50:02] | Beirdo: | etotheipi: it's a known issue |
| [01:50:28] | etotheipi: | ah. |
| [01:50:32] | Beirdo: | it's safe to ignore the segfault |
| [01:50:42] | Beirdo: | it should have program data though |
| [01:50:53] | Beirdo: | as it segfaults AFTER getting all the data |
| [01:50:57] | etotheipi: | it certainly downloaded it, as it took 12m the first time |
| [01:51:41] | etotheipi: | "2010-09–13 02:43:13.507 No programs found in data." |
| [01:51:46] | etotheipi: | is that supposed to read otherwise? |
| [01:52:09] | Beirdo: | ummm, sounds like you are getting no data |
| [01:52:26] | etotheipi: | but then later: 2010-09–13 02:43:17.024 Found 5668 |
| [01:52:46] | Beirdo: | oooh, RT grabber |
| [01:53:01] | etotheipi: | I'm using the rt grabber, yes. I was just about to say, as it seems quite troublesome |
| [01:53:22] | etotheipi: | there isn't an alternative, is there? |
| [01:53:39] | wagnerrp: | rt? english? |
| [01:53:41] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [01:53:53] | etotheipi: | wagnerrp: the UK one, yes |
| [01:53:57] | Beirdo: | but I've heard rumblings about it being borked at times |
| [01:54:06] | etotheipi: | the very one that caused me all kinds of headaches last time I was here ;-| |
| [01:54:12] | etotheipi: | (and everyone else) |
| [01:54:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but its 3am over there... you may be the only one around awake |
| [01:55:12] | etotheipi: | hrm |
| [01:55:26] | etotheipi: | even if the program data is broken, can I force it to record at a certain time on a specific day? |
| [01:55:35] | wagnerrp: | sure |
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| [01:56:45] | etotheipi: | ah, well. that'll do as a stopgap until the rt grabber decides to work again |
| [01:57:44] | Beirdo: | I feel like going to Red Robin or something |
| [02:00:00] | Beirdo: | OK, compiling on my production box... the freebsd vm... and the vaapi box (Atom) |
| [02:00:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:00:07] | wagnerrp: | they advertise around here, but i dont know if ive ever actually seen one |
| [02:00:26] | Beirdo: | decent burgers |
| [02:00:37] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i've been a few times.... and the last time i went... i didnt like anyting on the menuj... and i mentioned they used to have something i liked... and the waitress got the manager to make it for me |
| [02:00:40] | Beirdo: | still like Backyard Burgers better (in TN) |
| [02:02:08] | awalls: | Beer is on the Red Robin menu |
| [02:02:55] | wagnerrp: | theyre in a helicopter, there is a giant monster on the ground... why wouldnt you simply fly above the reach of the monster? |
| [02:04:04] | Beirdo: | that would require brains, and the zombies already ate their brains? |
| [02:04:37] | wagnerrp: | awww, he got eaten |
| [02:04:52] | Beirdo: | yum |
| [02:04:58] | Beirdo: | idiotburger |
| [02:04:59] | wagnerrp: | serves you right for not just leaving the friggen camera |
| [02:05:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | for #8877, I'm thinking of just putting in a short blurb in the commit log, nothing about "this is why we're doing this". make sense? |
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| [02:05:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | the protocol version token... |
| [02:06:03] | Beirdo: | sounds good to me |
| [02:06:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | let the debate begin when they finally find out they're not compatible rather than now. :) |
| [02:06:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:06:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, if they don't read the commit logs |
| [02:06:40] | Beirdo: | but but but... |
| [02:06:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | I doubt the guys who want compatiblity will care a bit. |
| [02:07:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | guys who want to fake it will moan (no pun intended) :) |
| [02:07:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:07:48] | Beirdo: | here's an interesting thought... |
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| [02:08:06] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg's libavcodec has vaapi stuff in it |
| [02:08:14] | gabriel: | Hi everybody, exists a version of mythtv for arm arch? |
| [02:08:16] | Beirdo: | wonder if markk used it |
| [02:08:59] | wagnerrp: | gabriel: yes, mythtv will compile on an Arm... no, you dont want to use it |
| [02:09:18] | gabriel: | why not |
| [02:09:19] | gabriel: | ? |
| [02:09:26] | wagnerrp: | performance reasons |
| [02:09:33] | wagnerrp: | arm is lacking severely |
| [02:09:51] | Beirdo: | gotta use leg |
| [02:10:02] | Beirdo: | sorry, couldn't help myself |
| [02:10:03] | kisak: | groan |
| [02:10:25] | kisak: | try that again after a beer |
| [02:10:32] | gabriel: | well...I'm searching for a media center in linux, to use it in a beagleboard |
| [02:11:47] | gabriel: | xbmc is nice, but is developd with the e17 libraries and those are a little complex to use |
| [02:11:49] | wagnerrp: | there is some blend of XBMC with specific support for hardware decoding using the DSP on the beagleboard |
| [02:12:06] | wagnerrp: | for anything else, that system will be woefully underpowered |
| [02:13:11] | Beirdo: | OK, I'm going to abandon the computer for a bit and hunt some burger goodness |
| [02:13:15] | gabriel: | ohh thanks wagnerrp |
| [02:13:15] | Beirdo: | be back in a while |
| [02:13:39] | wagnerrp: | gabriel: better to just buy a proper PC |
| [02:13:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | gabriel, I think one of the devs played around with a beagleboard, but if you search recent posts on the mythtv-users mailing list, you'll find a discussion on running MythTV backend on a wal wart computer that I believe was running ARM. |
| [02:14:16] | wagnerrp: | note that was for a backend only |
| [02:14:30] | wagnerrp: | dont expect to run a frontend with any meaningful kind of video playback using that |
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| [02:15:04] | wagnerrp: | in a mythtv system, the backend manages the tuners, storage, database, scheduler, batch jobs |
| [02:15:09] | wagnerrp: | the frontend plays content |
| [02:15:35] | gabriel: | I'm on a project that has the objective of create a media center on a beagleboard, so I need run it embebbed |
| [02:15:53] | gabriel: | dd* |
| [02:18:55] | bmidgley2: | hey, is there a guide to setting up mythexport? using autobuild version on lucid |
| [02:19:13] | bmidgley2: | through apache fwiw |
| [02:19:22] | wagnerrp: | the problem with embedded systems is that theyre not going to have any power unless you cant tap into some form of hardware offload |
| [02:19:34] | bmidgley2: | I can see the mythweb interface and schedule jobs but they never complete |
| [02:19:35] | wagnerrp: | and the problem with that is that there are very few open APIs |
| [02:19:56] | wagnerrp: | nearly all available DSPs and ASICs are locked behind various NDAs |
| [02:20:20] | wagnerrp: | without reverse engineering them, youre not going to find open source code implementing them |
| [02:21:40] | wagnerrp: | add to that the fact that 'Arm' is nothing more than a basic processor specification |
| [02:21:49] | wagnerrp: | and there are literally hundreds of different blends of Arm |
| [02:21:54] | Shadow__X: | after reading the mailing list for a bit i just dont get the point of using those arm builds |
| [02:21:58] | wagnerrp: | each of which is going to require a lot of custom code |
| [02:22:05] | [R]: | Shadow__X: its XTREME |
| [02:22:28] | Shadow__X: | its less power, everywhere especially in areas you dont want to cut down like performance |
| [02:22:49] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: because they /need/ to save that extra 20W on a system that should idle under 50W anyway |
| [02:23:17] | [R]: | my whole backend setup, hdpvr and cable box included is 100W |
| [02:23:19] | wagnerrp: | if youre out in the boondocks, running solar and battery power... every little bit helps |
| [02:23:44] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: ah right |
| [02:24:02] | wagnerrp: | if youre in the suburbs, on the power grid, you really have better ways to spend your time than trying to save that extra $20/yr in power consumption |
| [02:24:12] | [R]: | if your on solar and battery... wtf are you doing watching tv |
| [02:24:16] | wagnerrp: | but hey, have at it |
| [02:24:27] | Shadow__X: | [R]: thats what i was thinking |
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| [02:24:45] | Shadow__X: | but i guess some people want to kinda be a part of society and be off the grid in ways |
| [02:25:04] | [R]: | i'm watching the secret of my success |
| [02:25:07] | [R]: | the dvd quality is atrocious |
| [02:25:19] | kisak: | if only you could bump it up a notch and use something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131635 |
| [02:25:39] | [R]: | thats hella expensive |
| [02:25:49] | wagnerrp: | kisak: many of us feel the same way about those ION systems |
| [02:26:14] | wagnerrp: | youre sacrificing a /lot/ or performance for fairly minimal gains in power savings |
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| [02:26:29] | kisak: | it can do HD content though, with no fight |
| [02:26:44] | wagnerrp: | you can set up a 3.2GHz Core i5 system, fairly powerful, and idle around 25W |
| [02:27:04] | wagnerrp: | thats not significantly more than an ION system |
| [02:27:16] | Shadow__X: | kisak: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500035 then pair it with a cheap c2d and look you have a real computer. or even better use a core i5 itx mb |
| [02:27:20] | wagnerrp: | when you consider the fact that on both systems, youre going to be adding multiple tuners and hard drives |
| [02:27:29] | wagnerrp: | they dwarf the rest of the system in power consumption |
| [02:27:47] | wagnerrp: | and youre still back to that 5–10W savings |
| [02:27:55] | wagnerrp: | which equates to under $10/yr |
| [02:28:10] | darkdrgnk: | any one know what a AVX1 processor is? |
| [02:28:29] | wagnerrp: | now if youre one of those who uses ACPI wakeup, and leave your mythtv system offline |
| [02:28:29] | kisak: | oh, I misinterprited intent, I was thinking of a frontend only |
| [02:28:43] | darkdrgnk: | (somethign to do with firewire) |
| [02:28:46] | wagnerrp: | youre down to a small fraction of that savings per year |
| [02:29:07] | wagnerrp: | and in return, you end up with a system for which you have no choice but to use VDPAU |
| [02:29:19] | wagnerrp: | because the processor is incapable of decoding anything intensive on its own |
| [02:29:30] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: how well has that been working? also doesnt the shutting down and turning back on really take its toll on hard drives |
| [02:29:50] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: how long do you plan to use hard drives anyway? |
| [02:30:03] | kisak: | to be fair, what's the pricetag on the i5 setup? |
| [02:30:15] | wagnerrp: | im usually going 2–3 years before theyre too small and i need to replace them |
| [02:32:17] | wagnerrp: | that ION board youve got there is a board plus processor, for $190 |
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| [02:33:18] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah true |
| [02:33:19] | wagnerrp: | that same amount gets you a MiniITX board ($70) and a 2.93GHz dual core i3 ($115) |
| [02:33:26] | wagnerrp: | so $5 cheaper |
| [02:34:03] | wagnerrp: | thats a system with 4–6x the computing power |
| [02:34:03] | kisak: | you droped down to an i3? last time i checked they're rebranded c2d |
| [02:34:24] | kisak: | that's the dual core atom if you didn't notice |
| [02:34:47] | wagnerrp: | yep, 4–6x the power of a 1.6GHz dual core atom |
| [02:34:51] | Shadow__X: | they are slightly faster and a c2d is worlds faster than any atom including the dual core one |
| [02:35:48] | wagnerrp: | a nehalem chip will do better than twice the work of an equivalently clocked atom |
| [02:37:15] | kisak: | nahalem ... as in a Xeon proc? |
| [02:37:35] | wagnerrp: | nehalem, as in intel's current processor architecture |
| [02:37:52] | wagnerrp: | the Core-i line |
| [02:38:33] | kisak: | I had some choice words just a moment ago, I'd rather drop out of this conversation instead |
| [02:42:19] | kisak: | I updated from 0.23_r25??? to 0.23.1_r25496 earlier and it wiped out the addition I made to 6200ch ... I have a pair of QIP 7100 2 connected via firewire and the PIDs haven't been included yet |
| [02:42:38] | kisak: | (as far as I know) |
| [02:42:56] | wagnerrp: | now is the time to get them included |
| [02:43:03] | wagnerrp: | were in feature freeze ramping up for a release |
| [02:43:22] | wagnerrp: | you have a ticket open for them? |
| [02:43:29] | kisak: | no, I do not |
| [02:43:44] | wagnerrp: | and the 6200ch script has been removed |
| [02:43:56] | wagnerrp: | its now on the wiki, make whatever changes you see fit there |
| [02:44:18] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch |
| [02:45:09] | kisak: | I've been trying to get my desktop back to normal and address the 2077 problem all day, it's made for a lousy weekend |
| [02:45:18] | wagnerrp: | 2077? |
| [02:45:34] | wagnerrp: | transcoding deadlock? |
| [02:45:50] | kisak: | yes |
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| [02:52:19] | sphery: | knightr: so, worried about us polluting your airspace? :) |
| [02:53:23] | knightr: | sphery: No, it's the fact that they have begun use them and are already wanting to have more... |
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| [02:54:10] | knightr: | using not use... |
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| [02:54:45] | knightr: | sphery: They want to get the equivalent of another twenty channels... |
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| [02:56:29] | knightr: | sphery: Is there something weird happening to the mail server... My message got into the archive but I never got some of them back like it is taking forever for them to get distributed (full queue?) |
| [02:56:32] | wagnerrp: | dont we already have 900MHz gear? |
| [02:56:49] | wagnerrp: | knightr: i see the same behavior occasionally |
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| [02:57:01] | momelod: | greetings channel |
| [02:57:25] | momelod: | i've lost my recordings partition and now i have records of the recordings in the DB but not on the filesystem |
| [02:57:37] | momelod: | i've installed a new drive and would like to start clean |
| [02:57:46] | knightr: | wagnerrp: Pretty weird if you ask me though... Is the server monitored with something like Nagios to check for the kind of things? |
| [02:57:48] | momelod: | how can i clean the database to remove all existing recordings |
| [02:57:58] | knightr: | oops for these kind of things... |
| [02:59:02] | sphery: | knightr: seems to be working for me, but, yeah, wagnerrp often mentions similar behavior |
| [02:59:02] | knightr: | sphery: I get more than half my programming from the US so that makes me worry... |
| [02:59:09] | sphery: | ah, I see |
| [02:59:22] | sphery: | yeah, the talk of disbanding OTA would /really/ upset me |
| [02:59:43] | sphery: | that's one place where I want to be the one "old technology" holdout |
| [02:59:46] | wagnerrp: | im a bit concerned, now were going to have to 'dd' a unique token during the protocol handshake |
| [02:59:49] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [03:00:01] | sphery: | the other being shaving with a 1950's style razor |
| [03:00:22] | knightr: | sphery: There's that problem and the one that the networks are getting greedy apparently and want a bigger cut from the locals... |
| [03:00:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you mean a safety razor with only two blades? |
| [03:00:40] | sphery: | yeah, and the locals are barely paying the bills |
| [03:00:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, with one double-edged blade! :) |
| [03:01:52] | sphery: | I switched about a year and a half ago, and it's so much better. Could also be extremely inexpensive in comparison, but it's becoming a bit of a hobby for me, and I spend too much money on hobbies. (So, collecting shaving soaps and creams and brushes and razors...) |
| [03:02:48] | wagnerrp: | saw a thing on history channel, apparently the modern safety razor is the sharpest blade in the world |
| [03:03:15] | wagnerrp: | and is diamond coated for durability |
| [03:03:29] | knightr: | sphery: Eventually that will get replaced by IP TV but for now I'm also very happy with OTA (except that my main antenna is dead which is causing me some reception problems(,,, |
| [03:03:37] | wagnerrp: | how can you deny diamonds sphery??? |
| [03:03:37] | sphery: | http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886845 is a good "high-level" overview of the ideas (even if not totally spot-on) |
| [03:04:12] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/Leisureguys-Guide-Gourm . . . p/143032807X and http://badgerandblade.com/ if you get into it |
| [03:05:17] | wagnerrp: | huh... ive always 'wet shaved' |
| [03:05:46] | sphery: | knightr: yeah, the IPTV thing scares me, though--the infrastructure can't handle it unless they do "local loop" type stuff that they're doing with some cable companies, and the infrastructure companies don't want to invest the kind of money it takes to really upgrade the networks, so... |
| [03:06:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wet shaving doesn't include shaving with spray foam from a can :) |
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| [03:06:19] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont use foam |
| [03:06:26] | wagnerrp: | just water as hot as the tap will give me |
| [03:06:34] | sphery: | oops, I didn't get a chance to agree with you on the low-power conversation with gabriel |
| [03:06:47] | sphery: | just water and no cream or soap? |
| [03:07:27] | knightr: | sphery: In my case I don't want to deal with the local cable co so I'm left with ADSL... They are begun announcing something they call Fibe but that's not even fiber, apparently that's something else called VDSL... |
| [03:07:29] | wagnerrp: | just the bit of lube or whatever that strip is they put on the disposable razor |
| [03:07:31] | sphery: | but, I highly recommend upgrading to old-tech double-edge razor blade, too |
| [03:07:47] | wagnerrp: | usually lasts a couple days before its all consumed, then shaving gets rough |
| [03:07:49] | knightr: | sphery: And anyway the current quotas are too low... |
| [03:08:22] | sphery: | but note that it takes a while to get the skills... I'd say get one razor, one brand of bland, one good soap or cream, and one brush and use it for the first 6mos, then start experimenting once you've got the technique down |
| [03:10:01] | sphery: | knightr: yeah, I have cable Internet, but no cable TV service. It's my only option here, but at least I get a good price for it. |
| [03:11:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, and a box of sutures as well. ;) |
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| [03:11:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, and for the truly sharp razor blades, Feather brand... They also make most of the surgical knives used in US hospitals. |
| [03:11:47] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: heh, yeah, there were those days, too |
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| [03:12:05] | knightr: | sphery: I chose the lesser of two evils, ADSL from the phone company... |
| [03:12:06] | sphery: | I just went with a nice block of alum. Wakes you up nicely, too. |
| [03:12:55] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: it's when you get bored with the Double-Edged Safety Razor and go to the Straight Razor that you'll really need those sutures. |
| [03:16:06] | knightr: | sphery: Are you looking forward to HD-Base-T? |
| [03:16:25] | sphery: | heh, wagnerrp had some thoughts on that |
| [03:16:35] | wagnerrp: | here we go... 'the edges on the worlds sharpest razor blades measure just 30nm thick' |
| [03:16:45] | wagnerrp: | and theyre showing one of the 4-blade gilettes |
| [03:16:46] | sphery: | (all I know is what he said here about it) |
| [03:17:56] | wagnerrp: | hd-base-t? yeah... whats the point... its just one more twisted pair interface |
| [03:18:04] | knightr: | sphery: I'm looking forward to seeing those fully gold plater Monster Cat X cables... (-; |
| [03:18:14] | wagnerrp: | four independent channels of twisted pair sounds an awful lot like displayport |
| [03:18:16] | sphery: | or the directional Denon ones :) |
| [03:18:18] | knightr: | (-; (-; (-; |
| [03:19:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: 30nm thick... then coated with titanium, then diamond, then a low friction polymer |
| [03:19:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, I may need the link to that article so I can ask on B&B and see if someone wants to do a measurement |
| [03:19:28] | sphery: | 30nm is likely the cutting edge, right? |
| [03:19:31] | knightr: | wagnerrp: But they'll sure find a way to charge us an arm and a leg for them... |
| [03:19:39] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:20:37] | wagnerrp: | the same blade they put on a 2-edge, they put on a 4/5/12-blade disposable |
| [03:20:56] | sphery: | ah, so that would be like the Gillette brand blades |
| [03:21:10] | ** sphery goes to check if he's opened the box of Gillettes from the sampler pack ** | |
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| [03:22:11] | sphery: | Hmmm... I didn't get any Gilletes. I'll have to try one and compare it to Feather |
| [03:22:39] | wagnerrp: | i have to believe everyone has a similar process |
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| [03:23:20] | sphery: | That said, my favorite so far is Astra Superior (about $0.15/blade versus about $0.35-$0.40/blade when buying bulk at 100 or 200 blades) |
| [03:23:33] | sphery: | yeah, though they're similar, there are many differences |
| [03:23:58] | sphery: | Astra is made in the same Russian plant as Iridium, and Iridium almost shredded my face. |
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| [03:24:24] | wagnerrp: | hopefully not made out of iridium |
| [03:24:56] | sphery: | originally useful as a satellite phone, but then they sold the service... |
| [03:25:15] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, i thought it was radioactive... its not |
| [03:26:25] | sphery: | Oh, and Lord is my #2 favorite (and $0.10/blade) and Personna Red my #3 ($0.13.5/blade). Seems everyone on the board has very different favorites (and gets different results with the same blade and razor, even), though. |
| [03:26:54] | sphery: | http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/List . . . ior_Platinum and http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/index.php/List . . . ridium_Super |
| [03:27:09] | wagnerrp: | you say this is more expensive? those blades sound very cheap |
| [03:27:10] | sphery: | heh, the Russian plant making them is Gillette/P&G |
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| [03:27:22] | sphery: | they're very cheap--thus the "could be inexpensive" |
| [03:28:25] | sphery: | But I have 7 different soaps and 3 creams and 2 razors (and am buying more) and 2 brushes (and am buying more), so it's not as inexpensive as it could be. |
| [03:29:09] | sphery: | I'm spending more, but getting a /much/ better shave (and no longer have the dry, irritated skin--especially on the neck--that I had since I started shaving). |
| [03:29:30] | sphery: | but if it hadn't become a hobby, I would be spending significanlty less. |
| [03:30:20] | sphery: | Note that with a feather, you'll likely get about 8 good shaves. With the Lord or a Personna (US), maybe 4. The Astra and the Personna Red are cheap enough that I'm replacing them after 4. |
| [03:30:37] | sphery: | but still, when Gillette Fusion is how many dollars per blade? |
| [03:31:17] | wagnerrp: | $1.50-$2.00 |
| [03:31:26] | sphery: | and how many shaves? |
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| [03:31:33] | wagnerrp: | a week maybe |
| [03:31:39] | wagnerrp: | thats pushing it |
| [03:31:46] | wagnerrp: | it gets pretty rough by the end of a week |
| [03:32:03] | [R]: | thats what she said |
| [03:32:08] | sphery: | The test one Gillette sent me (that caused me to switch to the classic shaving) had a white strip after about a week--and they say on the commercial when it's white it's time to change |
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| [03:32:25] | sphery: | but they also said that it costs "about a dollar per week" in the commecial with some athlete... |
| [03:32:46] | sphery: | which doesn't fit with what the blue-strip-turning-white says |
| [03:33:11] | sphery: | but even if you get the $0.15/blade blade and change it in 4 days and call it 2/week, that's $0.30/week |
| [03:33:27] | sphery: | and the soap/cream is much cheaper than the canned chemicals |
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| [03:42:18] | knightr: | Goodnight sphery & wagnerrp, I have to go do my exercices and go to sleep now... |
| [03:42:33] | knightr: | Putting myself in away mode now... |
| [03:42:39] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [03:42:55] | sphery: | good knightr :) |
| [03:43:13] | wagnerrp: | wow, i cant believe you did that... |
| [03:43:21] | sphery: | yeah, sorry |
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| [03:50:53] | bwallen: | Does anybody know if the WinTV-HVR-950 works well in myth? |
| [03:51:04] | bwallen: | or is there a better usb HD capture card now? |
| [03:51:17] | [R]: | bwallen: both the mythtv wiki and the linuxtv website lists what cards work |
| [03:51:18] | wagnerrp: | that is not an HD capture card |
| [03:51:27] | [R]: | what is an "hd capture card"? |
| [03:51:37] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [03:51:37] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [03:51:50] | bwallen: | wagnerrp: It's not? I googled about HD tuners and it came up |
| [03:51:50] | wagnerrp: | something that captures raw HD video |
| [03:51:59] | wagnerrp: | bwallen: no, its a digital tuner |
| [03:52:14] | wagnerrp: | all it does is stream compressed mpeg to the host system |
| [03:52:14] | [R]: | mmm... raw video |
| [03:52:14] | bwallen: | Ah, I fell for the common trap |
| [03:52:22] | wagnerrp: | whether than compressed video is HD or SD is irrelevent |
| [03:52:33] | wagnerrp: | s/than/that/ |
| [03:53:15] | [R]: | bwallen: you got an "hd" antenna too didn't you |
| [03:53:17] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [03:53:32] | bwallen: | [r]: I built an antenna |
| [03:53:38] | [R]: | ok |
| [03:53:51] | [R]: | did you buy a "build yourself an hd antenna" kit? |
| [03:53:53] | ** [R] snickers some more ** | |
| [03:54:06] | bwallen: | [r]: no, It's just a 2x4 and some coat hangers |
| [03:54:09] | [R]: | rofl |
| [03:54:21] | bwallen: | http://www.tvantennaplans.com/ |
| [03:54:35] | wagnerrp: | [R]: HD antenna actually do exist |
| [03:55:01] | bwallen: | Laugh if you want, but it works and it cost $5 for the balun rather than $50 or more for a store bought antenna |
| [03:55:06] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [03:55:54] | wagnerrp: | [R]: something tuned for 350–400MHz can pick up the signal coming off a tube running at HD resolutions |
| [03:56:24] | [R]: | tube |
| [03:56:33] | wagnerrp: | CRT |
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| [03:56:36] | [R]: | rofl |
| [03:57:51] | bwallen: | One thing I'm unsure of with my antenna is if different TVs can watch different channels, or does every tv have to watch the same thing? Do any of you guys know? |
| [03:57:59] | [R]: | godaddy is for sale |
| [03:58:00] | [R]: | i should buy them |
| [03:58:19] | [R]: | bwallen: the tv doens't tune the antenna... so... |
| [03:58:25] | wagnerrp: | bwallen: no, you can hook up multiple tuners, each running on their own channel |
| [03:58:30] | sphery: | basically, one channel per tuner |
| [03:58:49] | wagnerrp: | assuming youve got enough power coming off the antenna |
| [03:58:59] | sphery: | (where channel means multiplex in the digital world, but at least for US OTA, that's typically one useful logical channel) |
| [03:58:59] | bwallen: | ok, thanks |
| [03:59:30] | [R]: | i need more powa |
| [04:01:02] | sphery: | powa to the people |
| [04:05:06] | wagnerrp: | mmm... venture bros. |
| [04:06:14] | wagnerrp: | im out of gun food! |
| [04:08:18] | [R]: | what is gun food? |
| [04:08:20] | [R]: | bulletts? |
| [04:08:23] | wagnerrp: | bullets |
| [04:10:08] | bmidgley2: | venture brothers rocks... too bad I'm not picking that up on myth now |
| [04:10:39] | bmidgley2: | mythexport on-the-go mode has an sql query that always fails to find the title you want to encode |
| [04:10:55] | bmidgley2: | s/has/results in/ |
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| [04:30:44] | bmidgley2: | mythexport finally works... but only if you use a custom ffmpeg config line and you don't use OTG to fire it up |
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| [04:58:29] | wagnerrp: | otg? |
| [04:59:39] | Beirdo: | Oh their God? |
| [05:00:03] | Beirdo: | mythexport ain't mythtv |
| [05:00:06] | Beirdo: | BTW |
| [05:00:41] | wagnerrp: | right, thats some third party thing developed by mythbuntu |
| [05:00:55] | wagnerrp: | most people in here, including mythbuntu users, have probably never used it |
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| [05:16:03] | Beirdo: | jya: you around? |
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| [05:17:52] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–12 22:02:40.993 ALSA, Error: Unable to sufficiently increase preallocated buffer size – underruns are likely |
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| [05:18:29] | Beirdo: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-09–12 22:15 /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc |
| [05:18:49] | Beirdo: | how is it that we are expecting a non-root user to be able to tweak that? |
| [05:20:56] | [R]: | Beirdo: myth does it through /proc or through a lib call? |
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| [05:21:24] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [05:21:35] | Beirdo: | that's jya's bag, baby |
| [05:22:23] | Beirdo: | I don't even know what size it's trying to set it to so I can do it as root |
| [05:22:49] | [R]: | is that even a r/w interface in /proc? |
| [05:23:20] | Beirdo: | I pasted the permissions... you figure it out :) |
| [05:24:53] | kormoc: | I don't even have that interface for my card |
| [05:25:15] | Beirdo: | so probably through the API |
| [05:25:30] | Beirdo: | but still, trying to tweak stuff that only root can mess with, it seems |
| [05:26:37] | Beirdo: | not sure how or where ;) |
| [05:28:56] | Beirdo: | bool AudioOutputALSA::SetPreallocBufferSize(int size) |
| [05:29:06] | Beirdo: | we are trying to write it directly |
| [05:29:10] | Beirdo: | bad. |
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| [05:29:46] | Beirdo: | I'm sure taht I'm not the only person who has those as root only... as I am using defaults for that |
| [05:33:52] | Beirdo: | so.... I'll run with -v audio and tweak by hand |
| [05:35:29] | jya: | Beirdo: you need to run mythfrontend with root privileges, or change the alsa buffer size manually |
| [05:36:03] | jya: | the command to run as root is actually in the source code. |
| [05:36:18] | jya: | I guess I could make the log more verbose, including what command to run |
| [05:37:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm, as we are generally not going to be running as root, we should find a way to make sure users know this :) |
| [05:37:13] | jya: | actually no, I put this in the svn checkin log :) |
| [05:38:28] | Beirdo: | it was trying to bump to 128 |
| [05:38:46] | Beirdo: | from 64.. this is in kB, I assume? |
| [05:39:04] | jya: | it's playing with /proc/asound/card%1/pcm%2p/sub%3/prealloc |
| [05:39:33] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:40:18] | Beirdo: | which is normally owned by root, and mythfrontend is normally not run as root... So that will normally fail. |
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| [05:41:14] | jya: | I actually got the command line from a bug report... trying to find it now |
| [05:41:45] | Beirdo: | K |
| [05:41:56] | jya: | would be in the log of the hdaudio branch |
| [05:41:59] | jya: | damn |
| [05:42:12] | Beirdo: | this is likely going to be useful to know for those that are still getting the ALSA buffering issues :) |
| [05:42:26] | Beirdo: | I just bumped mine manually to 256 |
| [05:42:36] | Beirdo: | (gotta stop playback first) |
| [05:43:13] | jya: | echo 512 > /proc/asound/card1/pcm7p/sub0/prealloc |
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| [05:43:21] | Beirdo: | 512? |
| [05:43:23] | jya: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/m . . . pp?rev=24454 |
| [05:43:39] | jya: | that's the maximum you would need for 24 bits audi, 192kHz |
| [05:43:52] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [05:43:58] | jya: | alsa default is 64kB |
| [05:44:11] | Beirdo: | which is often OK for me |
| [05:44:18] | Beirdo: | but occasionally glitches out |
| [05:44:20] | jya: | yeah, it's fine for most |
| [05:44:34] | jya: | I actually leave mine as is |
| [05:44:48] | jya: | it's only for the rare hd audio content that I may have to change it |
| [05:45:02] | jya: | I thought I had written this command in the wiki too |
| [05:45:21] | Beirdo: | I get glitched out a lot, in fact, but a lot less than before |
| [05:45:56] | Beirdo: | still, if a preview thumbnail happens during playback, it glitches |
| [05:46:06] | Beirdo: | this may fix that |
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| [05:48:29] | Beirdo: | stuck it into /etc/rc.local |
| [05:48:32] | Beirdo: | that should help |
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| [05:57:05] | jya: | there you go... revision 26286 |
| [05:58:03] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [05:58:20] | Beirdo: | now at least if someone gets the issue, the answer's right there for them. |
| [05:58:23] | Beirdo: | thanks :) |
| [05:58:30] | jya: | I don't believe there is a lib call to perform such action |
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| [05:59:00] | Beirdo: | which is a shame |
| [05:59:02] | jya: | someone had lodged a ticket with the problem, and gave the alsa driver parameter to change... |
| [05:59:14] | Beirdo: | beautiful |
| [05:59:18] | jya: | put it in mythtv, just in case. |
| [05:59:28] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it will come up again and again in support |
| [05:59:36] | Beirdo: | so having it logging the fix is a great thing |
| [05:59:50] | jya: | ideally, the best would be to create a udev rule that change the permission of that file |
| [06:00:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, but that's way beyond most users :) |
| [06:01:08] | jya: | that's what packagers should do |
| [06:01:32] | jya: | actually, I think my package add a udev rule for that now that I think about it |
| [06:01:36] | Beirdo: | well, they can't really |
| [06:02:00] | Beirdo: | as it depends on exactly which ALSA device the user chooses to use |
| [06:02:02] | jya: | add a udev rule? why not? the ubuntu packages already has a udev rule to make the dvb card writeable for the mythtv group |
| [06:02:10] | Beirdo: | unless you do it for ALL ALSA devices |
| [06:02:16] | jya: | yeah, but for most |
| [06:02:24] | jya: | it's the first card, first device |
| [06:02:42] | Beirdo: | granted :) |
| [06:03:06] | Beirdo: | anyways, couldn't hurt |
| [06:04:23] | jya: | yeah, it's more elegant that way |
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| [06:04:38] | Beirdo: | and... this might help danielk by maybe closing a ticket I have in his queue |
| [06:04:40] | jya: | something also needs to be done on how avfd tries to initialise the audio |
| [06:04:41] | Beirdo: | we shall see |
| [06:05:08] | jya: | if first try to open the card with invalid parameters, then open the card properly... this puts lots of logs |
| [06:05:17] | Beirdo: | it sure does |
| [06:05:19] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:05:29] | jya: | i can imagine that this was done many moons ago to get around a bug |
| [06:05:48] | Beirdo: | I remember earlier when I was tracing down what ended up being a missed initializer for the m_passthru |
| [06:05:59] | jya: | the source has a comment |
| [06:06:02] | jya: | // We have to do this here to avoid the NVP getting stuck |
| [06:06:02] | jya: | // waiting on audio. |
| [06:06:05] | Beirdo: | and now you have that logging on by default.. fun :) |
| [06:06:23] | jya: | I don't see why it would prevent the problem |
| [06:06:37] | jya: | but I've learnt to never remove stuff that doesn't make sense in avfd :) |
| [06:07:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:07:29] | Beirdo: | not unless you can test that it won't break anything, likely a good plan |
| [06:07:31] | jya: | Beirdo: will probably remove a lot of the loggin, because with all the bug reports lately, it's much easier that way and I don't have to tell people to go through special steps to indicate what may be wrong. |
| [06:07:39] | Beirdo: | somebody somewhere will whine |
| [06:07:51] | jya: | impossible to test everything unfortunately... |
| [06:07:59] | jya: | so many standards everywhere |
| [06:08:10] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:08:30] | Beirdo: | probably look at removing some logging at around RC2 |
| [06:08:41] | Beirdo: | I know I plan to for the myth_system |
| [06:08:47] | Beirdo: | well, not remove |
| [06:08:48] | jya: | you have to play it with -v audio to stard with.. |
| [06:08:52] | Beirdo: | but reclassify |
| [06:09:04] | jya: | could add an extra log like audioextra or something |
| [06:09:25] | Beirdo: | well, some of your new logging isn't -v audio |
| [06:09:51] | Beirdo: | got three "aborting audio reconfigures" in a row |
| [06:10:02] | Beirdo: | three different layers, it seems |
| [06:10:04] | Beirdo: | meh :) |
| [06:10:21] | Beirdo: | definitely good for debugging though |
| [06:11:27] | Beirdo: | I'd really like to see the ScanATSCCaptionStreams() called with no PMT spew gone |
| [06:11:51] | Beirdo: | on MPEG2 from my ivtv, I don't expect that to spew :) |
| [06:11:55] | Beirdo: | but meh :) |
| [06:12:04] | Beirdo: | it works, that's the most important thing |
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| [06:13:45] | jya: | Beirdo: you'll get the aborting bit, likely because of avfd going through a round of rubbish initialisation.. |
| [06:14:33] | jya: | it does something like: openaudio(no_codec, -1Hz, -1 channels, -1 bits |
| [06:14:47] | jya: | openaudio(no_codec, 0, 0, 0) |
| [06:14:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:15:08] | jya: | then open(audiocodec, proper rate, proper channel, 16 bits) |
| [06:15:10] | jya: | and finally: |
| [06:15:15] | jya: | Oh, we've changed |
| [06:15:18] | jya: | let's reconfigure |
| [06:15:18] | Beirdo: | I'll live with it until it gets cleaned up :) |
| [06:15:29] | jya: | open(audiocodec, proper rate, proper channel, 16 bits) |
| [06:16:07] | jya: | before it would even create the audio object, open the audio card, close it, destroy the object repat |
| [06:16:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, I wondered about that when poking around |
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| [06:16:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [06:16:27] | jya: | at least now the audio object isn't destroyed 3 times in a row |
| [06:16:36] | Beirdo: | yeah. baby steps :) |
| [06:17:20] | jya: | there's no more mtd now ? |
| [06:17:59] | wagnerrp: | no, it was broken, with insufficient time or desire to fix it for the current release |
| [06:18:12] | jya: | so how do you rip dvd now? |
| [06:18:20] | wagnerrp: | the future plan (if its going back in at all) is to merge it with the jobqueue |
| [06:18:23] | wagnerrp: | external |
| [06:18:32] | jya: | or it's done differently? |
| [06:18:50] | wagnerrp: | for now, use some external program (handbrake, etc...) |
| [06:18:52] | jya: | ok... fixing my packages not building, many patches are now invalid |
| [06:19:15] | jya: | that's unfortunate, all my myth box at home just have a screen connected to it |
| [06:19:18] | jya: | no keyboard, mouse |
| [06:19:25] | jya: | all done via the remote |
| [06:21:03] | bmidgley2: | so is there something better than mythexport for viewing shows on a handheld or a machine without mythtv? |
| [06:21:28] | Beirdo: | dunno, never used it |
| [06:21:33] | wagnerrp: | mythweb supports direct streaming, as well as transcoding through flash video |
| [06:21:41] | Beirdo: | nuvexport exists too, and has for quite some time |
| [06:21:47] | jya: | I use AirVideo on my iphone/ipad |
| [06:21:55] | jya: | stream live.. no config |
| [06:22:04] | jya: | works great |
| [06:22:07] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport has several profiles for mobile devices, doesnt it? |
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| [06:22:23] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:22:48] | wagnerrp: | well have to see about janneg getting mythffmpeg in early next cycle |
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| [06:23:03] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:23:17] | Beirdo: | that would make nuvexport a lot more stable |
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| [06:23:40] | wagnerrp: | well, it just means it would only have to be fixed once per sync |
| [06:24:06] | Beirdo: | and we don't have to worry about ffmpeg in various distros sucking in various ways |
| [06:25:03] | wagnerrp: | like... not supporting mp3? |
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| [06:25:14] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:25:19] | Beirdo: | or h.264 or... |
| [06:25:26] | Beirdo: | or aac |
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| [06:26:14] | Beirdo: | using the ffmpeg libs/code that ships with mythtv, we can closer guarantee that we support every file mythtv outputs, etc |
| [06:27:38] | wagnerrp: | jya: if you used mtd frequently, you may want to talk to stuarta, make some plans on how the replacement interface should function |
| [06:27:58] | wagnerrp: | he sounded interested in keeping it around when its removal was discussed in #mythtv |
| [06:28:03] | jya: | didn't use it frequently as such... but from time to time... I was away for 2 months |
| [06:28:28] | wagnerrp: | this was only maybe a week ago |
| [06:28:36] | wagnerrp: | fairly recent |
| [06:28:39] | Beirdo: | I'm happy to see it gone... image-wise... |
| [06:28:53] | jya: | why? because ripping is bad ? |
| [06:29:07] | Beirdo: | well, yeah |
| [06:29:08] | bmidgley2: | nuvexport is a standalone binary in /usr/bin? I don't have it |
| [06:29:22] | jya: | i rip it on my backend, so I can watch it in the living room which doesn't have a dvd player |
| [06:29:27] | Beirdo: | bmidgley2: dunno how you install, etc |
| [06:29:39] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport is a standalone perl script, and is part of mythextras |
| [06:30:01] | Beirdo: | jya: yes, but you must admit that ripping DVDs is a hot topic with regards to media attention on piracy, etc |
| [06:30:27] | Beirdo: | so not directly supporting it has some allure, although at the cost of annoying users |
| [06:30:27] | wagnerrp: | i actually wonder what the 'rules' are on dvd ripping |
| [06:30:37] | bmidgley2: | there's a ubuntu/debian package for mythextras? |
| [06:30:45] | bmidgley2: | package search didn't turn it up |
| [06:30:49] | wagnerrp: | i mean theres dozens of open source and/or freeware programs that can do it |
| [06:30:56] | wagnerrp: | as well as some payware ones based outside the US |
| [06:30:59] | Beirdo: | yup, there are |
| [06:31:11] | wagnerrp: | but Real tries to start up a payware one and get jumped |
| [06:32:07] | wagnerrp: | i mean what did they do that made them a target |
| [06:32:09] | Beirdo: | but.. if we think up a good way to integrate it again... I'll live with it :) |
| [06:32:16] | wagnerrp: | was it just because they were a meaningful corporate entity? |
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| [06:32:22] | Beirdo: | probably |
| [06:32:40] | Beirdo: | they probably didn't want to bow to the MPAA |
| [06:33:20] | jya: | in which country is ripping a dvd illegal? |
| [06:33:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember if it was the MPAA or the DVD Forum |
| [06:33:38] | Beirdo: | same pants, other pocket |
| [06:33:39] | wagnerrp: | anywhere with DMCA-like legislation |
| [06:33:58] | wagnerrp: | making backups isnt illegal |
| [06:34:05] | wagnerrp: | but breaking encryption to do so is |
| [06:34:15] | jya: | following the free trade agreement, Australia is subject to those, yet, even there it is not illegal to rip a dvd for personnal use |
| [06:34:26] | Beirdo: | so the fartknockers are sure to encrypt |
| [06:34:31] | jya: | you can always rip with encryption still on |
| [06:34:40] | wagnerrp: | that is true |
| [06:34:48] | wagnerrp: | the direct ISO rip did not remove encryption |
| [06:34:50] | Beirdo: | not if you are transcoding |
| [06:34:58] | jya: | provided you don't have one of those matshita drive |
| [06:35:07] | Beirdo: | which is the T in MTD |
| [06:35:11] | Beirdo: | is it not? |
| [06:35:19] | jya: | should be doing like pgp did at some stage |
| [06:35:38] | jya: | main pgp site in the US, no encryption, source code only |
| [06:35:46] | jya: | an pgp international |
| [06:36:04] | Beirdo: | that was for other reasons |
| [06:36:12] | Beirdo: | stupid export controls |
| [06:36:15] | jya: | it as about exporting binary with encryption |
| [06:36:23] | jya: | but it's still a similar nonsense |
| [06:36:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pgp was considered a 'munition' |
| [06:36:29] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:36:41] | jya: | I got two DVDs last week, neither of them played on my pioneer dvd player |
| [06:36:48] | jya: | yet they played on my mac with vlc |
| [06:37:38] | jya: | in france, encryption > 50 bits was considered weapon category 3. Category 4 is nuclear weapons :) |
| [06:37:49] | jya: | change the law only 4–5 years ago |
| [06:38:05] | jya: | what about we do md only instead of mtd? |
| [06:38:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, the government wants to be able to read all the messages |
| [06:38:36] | Beirdo: | I think you're better off using handbrake, if I understand correctly |
| [06:39:03] | jya: | yeah, that means putting the DVD on my mac, handbrake it, then move it to mythvideo storage |
| [06:39:04] | Beirdo: | but I don't rip DVDs anyways |
| [06:39:06] | jya: | a tad inconvenient |
| [06:39:11] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [06:39:15] | wagnerrp: | jya: i brought up the option of just having a very basic UI and only support ISO ripping, and a stopgap |
| [06:39:19] | Beirdo: | handbrake works in Linux |
| [06:39:27] | Beirdo: | does it not? |
| [06:39:32] | jya: | because my linux box are myth box only |
| [06:39:34] | wagnerrp: | the claimed issue was that would be 'good enough', and no would would ever bother doing it properly |
| [06:39:35] | jya: | just frontends |
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| [06:39:41] | Beirdo: | and over ssh even for the cli |
| [06:40:13] | Beirdo: | so what if they are "myth box only"? That means you can't run other processes? |
| [06:40:22] | jya: | i'm getting old, I like to just put the CD in, press a button on my remote and forget about it... |
| [06:40:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [06:40:46] | jya: | it means there are no keyboard , no mouse. just a remote control to interface |
| [06:40:52] | Beirdo: | and ssh |
| [06:41:08] | jya: | I tried to press ssh on my remote, it doesn't work :P |
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| [06:41:26] | Beirdo: | uh huh. |
| [06:41:31] | wagnerrp: | you could probably just 'dd' your optical drive to an iso file |
| [06:41:45] | Beirdo: | I hope you are just being obtuse on purpose ;) |
| [06:42:05] | jya: | all the studios managed of doing, is that it's becoming easier to source a video over torrent, than actually owning a DVD and watch it on my myth machine |
| [06:42:33] | Beirdo: | ahem |
| [06:43:02] | Beirdo: | we have policies against talking about that here :) |
| [06:43:05] | wagnerrp: | seems as if trac is down |
| [06:43:08] | jya: | Like what's the go with having 10 minutes video on how pirating is bad and is stealing ? that you can't even skip? |
| [06:43:14] | jya: | I just bought the damn thing! |
| [06:43:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:43:17] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, there it goes |
| [06:43:18] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:43:28] | Beirdo: | that always strikes me as odd to |
| [06:43:29] | Beirdo: | too |
| [06:43:51] | Beirdo: | it's probably for those of us who are Netflix users |
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| [06:43:56] | wagnerrp: | would you rather have ads and trailers that you cant skip? |
| [06:44:07] | jya: | hopefully, my soon to come apple tv will make my life easier once again, n all legality |
| [06:44:08] | wagnerrp: | or the 30s long studio intro video? |
| [06:44:11] | Beirdo: | oh, you mean like half of Disney's crap? |
| [06:44:17] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [06:44:37] | Beirdo: | hit the menu button quickly or suffer the consequences |
| [06:44:49] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 300-disk changer |
| [06:44:52] | [R]: | i don't get the apple tv |
| [06:44:53] | jya: | YEah, I bought a Sydney DVD for my daughter last week |
| [06:44:55] | [R]: | they want you to "rent" stuff |
| [06:44:59] | [R]: | that self destruct |
| [06:45:01] | wagnerrp: | and theres a setting option to tell it to not auto-load the current disk when you power it on |
| [06:45:04] | wagnerrp: | ... but it doesnt work |
| [06:45:10] | [R]: | its like we are in inspector gadget |
| [06:45:17] | jya: | the first 5 minutes were previews of movies not even available in Australia |
| [06:45:22] | wagnerrp: | so ive programmed my remote to spam 'stop' for 12 seconds as the player is booting up |
| [06:45:26] | wagnerrp: | ... but sometimes that doesnt work |
| [06:45:40] | jya: | [R]: sure, but I have over 1000 dvds, there are very few I actually watched more than once |
| [06:45:53] | wagnerrp: | its painfully frustrating if one of those is queued up when i start it |
| [06:46:03] | jya: | so renting for a lower price is fine by me.. |
| [06:46:41] | jya: | I'm not so much about the freedom bits, I just want simplicity and convenience these days. |
| [06:47:04] | jya: | buying a DVD, and watching it, isn't convenient anymore... |
| [06:47:14] | [R]: | oh man, jersey shore is so hardcore |
| [06:47:27] | zorters: | well, be thankful video DVDs don't come with EULAs |
| [06:47:29] | [R]: | so many words beeped out |
| [06:47:30] | jya: | First I'm being reminded not to steal it, then it's about what else I could have bought. |
| [06:47:51] | [R]: | hey... i just thought of something |
| [06:48:00] | [R]: | is there an FBI warning on non-region1 dvds? |
| [06:48:06] | jya: | zorters: actually, my panasonic BD drive updated its firmware last week |
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| [06:48:14] | wagnerrp: | at that point, isnt the warning to let you know not to let your friends steal it from you? |
| [06:48:16] | jya: | When it rebooted, I had to accept some T&Cs ! |
| [06:48:26] | zorters: | considering US 9th circuit just rules right of first sale may be now questionable |
| [06:49:01] | jya: | couldn't boot it until I accepted the T&Cs.. could have asked me before upgrading |
| [06:49:23] | zorters: | heh |
| [06:49:45] | jya: | ohhh. I have an idea... Going to set up iSCSI between the backend and frontend... dvd problem solved |
| [06:50:13] | zorters: | what happens if you disconnect a bluray payer from the network? |
| [06:50:25] | zorters: | It wont complete booting? |
| [06:51:08] | jya: | don't know... like all firmware upgrade, I'm guessing it has a boot loader for emergency reflashing |
| [06:51:23] | jya: | it does tell you not to interrupt it otherwise you could end up with a non working unit |
| [06:51:25] | zorters: | I mean I'd understand if it won't _play_ when when you boot w/o network connection |
| [06:51:48] | zorters: | no, I mean when it's not upgrading firmware |
| [06:51:50] | jya: | no, this time was about accepting the T&Cs following the flashing of the device |
| [06:51:56] | jya: | and like 10 pages of it... |
| [06:52:38] | zorters: | by definition if you haven't agreed to T&C it's not upgrading formware |
| [06:52:53] | zorters: | s/firmware |
| [06:53:16] | zorters: | unless you really have no choice in the matter |
| [06:54:01] | zorters: | in other words why go thru the empty formality of presenting a T&C at all? |
| [06:54:25] | Beirdo: | because it's not empty |
| [06:54:58] | jya: | zorters: it's the other way round. I had selected in the settings to upgrade device automatically |
| [06:55:02] | jya: | and it did so. |
| [06:55:15] | jya: | Only to be presented with a T&Cs, when I next turned it on |
| [06:55:24] | zorters: | well, too bad |
| [06:56:44] | zorters: | if the flash goes bad (due to no fault of your own) you get to eat the cost of a new BD player? |
| [06:57:15] | [R]: | surely they have protections aginst a bad flash |
| [06:57:17] | [R]: | its so simple |
| [06:57:22] | zorters: | right |
| [06:57:27] | zorters: | dual flash |
| [06:57:40] | zorters: | rver to last known good |
| [06:57:42] | Beirdo: | any embedded device that doesn't deal with that possibility shouldn't ever be sold |
| [06:57:50] | zorters: | revert |
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| [06:58:59] | zorters: | Beirdo: no, I mean w/o having to use JTAG |
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| [06:59:30] | zorters: | or "authorized repair center" intervention |
| [06:59:32] | Beirdo: | who said anything about JTAG? |
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| [07:00:20] | zorters: | There are plenty of embedded device that don't recover from bad flashes w/o jtag (routers for one) |
| [07:00:35] | Beirdo: | and they should never be sold |
| [07:00:43] | zorters: | right.... |
| [07:00:48] | jya: | Beirdo: I bought a Nokaia E71 once. Nokia then released their online flasher. Unfortunately, during the flashing, my cat jumped on my desk and disconnected the cable: dead E71. Brought it to Nokia center, reused to fix it on the basis that I had bought it on eBay and it was a device for the Indian market |
| [07:00:54] | jya: | never bought nokia again |
| [07:01:27] | Beirdo: | so don't buy stuff off ebay :) |
| [07:01:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:01:34] | Beirdo: | buy yeah |
| [07:01:35] | jya: | zorters: many routers have a boot loader that you can actually reflash, like the linksys series, it has a tftp server |
| [07:01:46] | Beirdo: | the cat owes you a phone |
| [07:02:07] | zorters: | jya: that does you no good if the flash is bad |
| [07:02:09] | jya: | Beirdo: don't worry, that cat is dead already :P |
| [07:02:18] | [R]: | zorters: the bootloader is usually seperate |
| [07:02:27] | jya: | zorters: it does, the bootloader is on a read-only part of the flash |
| [07:02:30] | [R]: | zorters: my router and my upnp client has a seperate bootlaoder |
| [07:02:41] | Beirdo: | or on a separate ROM sometimes |
| [07:02:43] | zorters: | jya: boot loader'w wont be guaranteed to be there if the flash went bad |
| [07:03:13] | jya: | course they are.. you hard reboot the device, that's what the boot loader does... boot |
| [07:03:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:03:31] | zorters: | jya: that's baloney |
| [07:03:46] | jya: | I'm yet to find a device I couldn't revive, other than that damn nokia phone |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | if it's too borked to run the boot code, nothing short of replaceing the chip will fix it |
| [07:04:06] | Beirdo: | and that's very rare |
| [07:04:06] | zorters: | most boot loaders are not on r/o flash |
| [07:04:33] | Beirdo: | They always have been in devices I've designed |
| [07:04:46] | jya: | many flashes chip allow you to write-protect the first sector |
| [07:04:46] | zorters: | haha.... |
| [07:04:49] | jya: | usually 64kB |
| [07:04:55] | Beirdo: | in boot blocks that are locked down and incredibly difficult to change |
| [07:05:10] | zorters: | lol |
| [07:05:11] | [R]: | we have these awesome motorola chips at work, that are 10 years old... and the flash just randomly goes bad on them... its totally awesome |
| [07:05:20] | Beirdo: | lol to you too |
| [07:05:23] | jya: | I have worked on a device, where we used cheaper flash... nothing would ever touch the first 64kB |
| [07:05:34] | zorters: | go ast the openwrt guys how then install their boot loader |
| [07:05:45] | [R]: | openwrt doesnt come wit ha bootloader |
| [07:05:49] | [R]: | it uses whatever the device alreayd had |
| [07:05:50] | zorters: | s/they/ |
| [07:06:13] | zorters: | no, you're referring to chained boot |
| [07:06:17] | [R]: | my router has redboot, and another one i had used uboot |
| [07:06:23] | [R]: | no, the bootlaoder from the device loads the kernel directly |
| [07:06:24] | jya: | for openwrt, the tftp trick on linksys and many other devices is available in 99% of the case |
| [07:06:27] | Beirdo: | which is still available via the reset button |
| [07:07:07] | zorters: | jya: that does no good if boot loader is borked |
| [07:07:17] | jya: | you would have to be insane to release a device where the boot loader can easily get corrupted during user reflash |
| [07:07:36] | jya: | zorters: the point is that a user can't borked the boot loader.. |
| [07:07:58] | Beirdo: | and if they can, the manufacturer deserves the support pain |
| [07:08:16] | jya: | either the flash segment is write-protected, or the flashing code never ever touch the sector where the boot loader is located |
| [07:08:16] | zorters: | why dont you guys look at uboot |
| [07:08:44] | Beirdo: | why don't you stop telling embedded firmware designers how it works :) |
| [07:08:44] | zorters: | and tell me how that's not replaceable on embedded devices |
| [07:08:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:09:03] | zorters: | cause I do it routinely |
| [07:09:06] | jya: | Beirdo: I see we are in the same industry :) |
| [07:09:19] | Beirdo: | jya: formerly... for a good 10 years |
| [07:09:43] | Beirdo: | doing sysadmin now, but the firmware design part is still my passion :) |
| [07:10:14] | Beirdo: | it's fun... and frustrating... simultaneously |
| [07:10:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:10:41] | jya: | zorters: remember the first jailbreak on the iphone? hardware one. You had to shorten two pins on the flash chip to make the boot sector writeable |
| [07:11:11] | jya: | it's the only way I ever managed to destroy an iphone from a bad flashing |
| [07:11:17] | Beirdo: | most of our boards had jumpers to protect boot blocks |
| [07:11:32] | zorters: | jya: I'm not talking about iphone in this case |
| [07:12:15] | zorters: | jya: and stop dodging about boot loader w/tftp |
| [07:12:20] | jya: | me neither, Im talking about boot loaders in general |
| [07:12:38] | jya: | you talk about openwrt |
| [07:12:45] | jya: | and I give you my answer about it. |
| [07:12:50] | zorters: | cause that stuff gets overwritting routinely |
| [07:12:54] | jya: | I was a committer on this project a while ago |
| [07:13:10] | zorters: | s/overwritten |
| [07:13:10] | jya: | done my share on firmware on wrt54 devices |
| [07:13:46] | jya: | not by using the system flasher no... |
| [07:14:29] | zorters: | oh really |
| [07:14:56] | zorters: | so people who could no longet tftp in were just incompetent |
| [07:14:58] | Beirdo: | zorters: just what the heck does any of this have to do with mythtv at this point? |
| [07:15:03] | zorters: | right.... |
| [07:15:37] | zorters: | bause someone bought up bd playering flashing |
| [07:15:47] | zorters: | s/because |
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| [07:16:44] | jya: | "so people who could no longet tftp in were just incompetent" -> usually, yes |
| [07:17:51] | zorters: | no, plenty of folks did that. Not by yanking out the power plug either |
| [07:18:21] | Beirdo: | who cares anymore? :) |
| [07:19:07] | wagnerrp: | doesnt windows no longer offer tftp? |
| [07:19:26] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could always just download a client... |
| [07:19:30] | Beirdo: | that would be typical MS stupidity |
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| [07:20:55] | jya: | right, my packages have finished buildng, and are now installed.. time to go test all those samples provided |
| [07:21:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:21:56] | Beirdo: | good luck |
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| [07:41:31] | Beirdo: | Well, I think I'll go to bed... just as soon as this show is over |
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| [09:59:35] | justinh: | What's the best Linux variant to use for a full wipe? I prefer TP |
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| [10:04:00] | sid3windr: | for your bunghole? |
| [10:04:17] | banksy: | I just upgraded from mythbuntu's autobuilds of 0.23 to 0.23.1 and now all playback on my main FE has vertical bars each side (approx 100px each). Any ideas why? |
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| [10:07:36] | banksy: | Menus are fullscreen, although homescreen looks a little stretched. Videos playback fullscreen in VLC |
| [10:09:47] | simonckenyon: | to wipe what? the partition table (use dd) to securely wipe a file Iuse wipe) |
| [10:14:02] | bjd_: | yeah dd |
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| [10:24:32] | justinh: | banksy: so you want aspect ratios to be screwed with? oof |
| [10:27:29] | ** sid3windr does dban ** | |
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| [10:29:58] | justinh: | sooo.. seems the police are very interested in prosecuting the bus driver who swiped my car as it was parked outside my house on saturday :-) |
| [10:34:49] | johnf1911: | Beirdo: nice, my blaster is blasting! |
| [10:34:59] | johnf1911: | justinh: like, side swiped, or like, took off with |
| [10:35:10] | hashbang: | morning all |
| [10:35:51] | justinh: | swiped as in hit, cos the driver is an idiot |
| [10:36:22] | hashbang: | justinh: FYI, I put a 220R at pin 20 of the TV end of the RGB SCART cable from the DVD player and that's greatly reduced the ghosting. I think the video mode was just toggling the mode pin, but continuing to output composite as well as sync pulses. |
| [10:38:07] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:38:44] | hashbang: | justinh: apparently Humax PVRs do something similar |
| [10:39:02] | hashbang: | (to bring it vaguely on-topic :-) |
| [10:39:17] | justinh: | apparently Humax PVRs can't even hold the tiniest of candles to MythTV ;-) |
| [10:39:45] | justinh: | actually, no 'apparently' about it. Neither theirs, nor the esteemed 'Toppy' are any good |
| [10:40:08] | hashbang: | justinh: I had a play with one for my parents; it would have done the job compared with the STB and VHS VCR they currently use, but it really needed a reworking on the firmware. Very basic. |
| [10:40:31] | banksy: | justinh: what's puzzling me is why has it changed recently. No known nvidia driver change or anyone else whinging on mythtv-users mailing list. what did I change – it's been fullscreen for 1 year til 0.23.1 |
| [10:40:35] | justinh: | very slow, not even the simplest of 'advanced scheduling; |
| [10:40:42] | justinh: | theirs is more like SHED-uling |
| [10:41:07] | hashbang: | justinh: it does Series Link, but that's about the only 'advanced scheduling' thing it does. |
| [10:41:27] | justinh: | no arb/relative skipping |
| [10:41:35] | justinh: | no trick playback |
| [10:41:41] | justinh: | OSD & GUI looks like utter crap |
| [10:41:51] | hashbang: | justinh: I wouldn't have thought it would have been that hard to implement "record everything whose description includes the words 'charlie brooker'" |
| [10:42:05] | justinh: | I wouldn't have thought that either :) |
| [10:42:25] | justinh: | and anyway how do you know one of my custom rules does that?! :-O |
| [10:42:42] | hashbang: | $ whoami |
| [10:42:43] | hashbang: | justinh |
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| [10:43:30] | justinh: | saw some of the new TV UIs on Click at the weekend. they still look like they all suck |
| [10:44:17] | justinh: | even the new 'web enabled' sets with blingy interfaces.. so you've got a scrolling carousel.. great – I just love scrolling from side to side through zillion upon zillion of items |
| [10:45:21] | justinh: | I really couldn't care less if the screenshot is mapped onto a 3d shape & glistens... if you're missing metadata to help me judge what I'm looking at.. wah.. wahhh |
| [10:45:49] | hashbang: | actually, mine does the same, along with 'bremner', 'money programme', 'khalili', 'derren' |
| [10:46:17] | justinh: | derren? presumably that picks up a lot of Jeremy Kyle too ;-) |
| [10:46:27] | hashbang: | thankfully, no |
| [10:46:37] | hashbang: | they'd probably be Darren, or Daz |
| [10:46:44] | justinh: | lol |
| [10:47:31] | justinh: | set a reminder for when I get home so I don't forget to protect the section of video on my CCTV |
| [10:47:47] | justinh: | can't have it overwriting this event just yet |
| [10:47:55] | hashbang: | I do hope I don't have to struggle to squeeze my usage patterns into an off-the-shelf PVR at some point in the future (either WAF, HD, DRM or whatever) |
| [10:48:59] | justinh: | HD doesn't seem to offer me anything I don't already have |
| [10:49:04] | justinh: | all about the narrative here :) |
| [10:49:25] | justinh: | prolly just upgrade naturally – i.e. when my current telly falls on its ass |
| [10:49:43] | hashbang: | justinh: much the same, unless they switch off SD, or I find upscaled SD on some new big future-telly to be offensive to my eyes. |
| [10:49:57] | justinh: | so don't buy one too big :D |
| [10:50:01] | hashbang: | justinh: heh |
| [10:50:26] | justinh: | I think at our home viewing distance 37" will be big enough |
| [10:50:35] | justinh: | freeview just about looks ok on that.. mostly |
| [10:50:36] | hashbang: | justinh: got a 28" 16:9 Panasonic at the mo. Bought it used a couple of years ago for £200, original price was £500+. One of the last CRT models Panasonic made. |
| [10:50:38] | justinh: | BBC does anyway |
| [10:50:44] | justinh: | ITV looks more like youtube |
| [10:51:14] | justinh: | I mean youtube before HD.. when it was all just mpeg4 blockovision |
| [10:51:18] | hashbang: | I'm somewhat expecting integrated streaming to be standard very soon, and that most TV will be streamed rather than broadcast shortly after. |
| [10:51:37] | justinh: | I'm somewhat hoping that absolutely never happens |
| [10:51:55] | hashbang: | of course, that does mean that your TV will need a guaranteed stream of firmware updates from the manufacturer... |
| [10:52:08] | hashbang: | ...in order to remain useful for more than 2–3 years or so. |
| [10:52:20] | justinh: | nobody will ever agree on a standard – look at how Sky et al are whining about project canvas |
| [10:52:30] | justinh: | so you'll still need a box for this, a box for that... |
| [10:52:56] | justinh: | the public are still into linear TV too heavily too. reckon it'll take a generation or so |
| [10:53:41] | justinh: | saw something on Click about TV manufacturers hopes of integrating 'social networking' into their TV platforms |
| [10:53:51] | justinh: | Sky are talking about it too |
| [10:54:01] | hashbang: | justinh: oh, I saw a BD player in Sainsburys yesterday with facebook and twitter. |
| [10:54:08] | justinh: | recommend a show to all your FB 'friends' & start watching it together |
| [10:54:10] | justinh: | screw that! |
| [10:54:28] | hashbang: | justinh: it /could/ be useful |
| [10:54:31] | johnf1911: | hashbang: twitter, on a BD player, wtf! |
| [10:54:45] | hashbang: | justinh: things like Question Time already broadcast peoples real-time tweets |
| [10:54:53] | justinh: | then presumably spend the whole show watching the video inlaid on the FB page as you all squawk irrelevances about the show |
| [10:55:08] | hashbang: | justinh: so it's not much of a stretch to make it fully interactive with a twitter client integrated into the TV |
| [10:55:21] | justinh: | methinks the BBC is overly involved in the promotion of commercial social networking tools |
| [10:55:27] | hashbang: | johnf1911: yeah, I was a bit WTF? about it. |
| [10:55:28] | justinh: | facebook/twitter |
| [10:56:04] | justinh: | same with their promotion of commercial music, album launches, exclusive artist deals etc.. pfft |
| [10:56:06] | hashbang: | could be quite nice for, say, Adam Curtis documentaries too |
| [10:56:28] | hashbang: | "Would You Want to Know More?" — Starship Troopers |
| [10:56:50] | justinh: | in the case of Starship Troopers I just want to know WHY |
| [10:57:13] | justinh: | one of the first DVDs I rented – a double-sided number. I couldn't be arsed to get up & turn it over' |
| [10:57:58] | justinh: | I was tempted though, just to see if that annoying bint got disemboweled by a massive insect |
| [10:58:22] | hashbang: | I quite like the satire of the first one, especially the way it turns around the rather-more-fascist-leaning original Heinlein story |
| [10:59:22] | justinh: | I think if I hadn't become so annoyed by Denise Richards in shampoo adverts previously I might've given it more of a chance |
| [10:59:50] | bjd_: | mmm, denise richards |
| [10:59:53] | hashbang: | the sequels are total crap and almost-total-crap respectively, though. |
| [11:00:20] | justinh: | I started watching district 9 the other weekend. That's one recent addition to my collection I might sell |
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| [11:00:56] | hashbang: | justinh: I quite liked it, but it was a bit of a blunt instrument w.r.t. apartheid |
| [11:01:05] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:02:00] | justinh: | it was just too full-on & not enough made any sense to me – like how the humans & aliens could understand what the other was saying.. really obvious things it would've been simple to clear up but nobody bothered to explain |
| [11:03:11] | hashbang: | I took that as being that there were people who learnt bug ("outreach workers", etc) and the cops learnt just enough to tell them to STFU, get down, stop running, etc |
| [11:04:03] | hashbang: | kinda like you see in the 'crash course in Arabic' issued to service people stationed in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. |
| [11:04:22] | justinh: | shout louder in english, then shoot – you mean |
| [11:04:27] | hashbang: | yeah, kinda |
| [11:06:33] | justinh: | think maybe I just like my SF more.. MOAR :) |
| [11:06:44] | justinh: | and less space opera |
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| [11:47:36] | hashbang: | justinh: aye, a lot of the best SF is rather modest when it comes to action and special effects, but that isn't what tends to get bums on seats, unfortunately. |
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| [12:38:04] | rileyp: | Anyone suggest a good projector for home |
| [12:38:45] | rileyp: | that can do 720p I dont have a dedicated theatre room |
| [12:40:22] | draioch: | hi rileyp just make sure the lumens are as high as you can afford |
| [12:41:12] | rileyp: | ther are so many projectors out thre its doing my head in |
| [12:41:21] | rileyp: | its worse than video cards.... |
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| [12:45:07] | justinh: | not as bad as TVs though |
| [12:48:45] | rileyp: | I think its worse than tv's tv's sony pana lg samsung and a few others |
| [12:51:32] | justinh: | er.. models of TVs... now mostly rapidly approaching infinity |
| [12:52:21] | rileyp: | projectors have all the electronic brands as well canon dell nec optimo casio viewsonic mitsubitshi etc |
| [12:52:23] | justinh: | and to add to the confusion, apparently one model of TV doesn't necessarily contain the same panel spec as another of the same number |
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| [12:53:02] | justinh: | so yer panasonic FP37fgghj for example – one set might have an LG panel inside while another might have a Samsung panel inside. Yay! |
| [12:53:36] | justinh: | they're all likely made by some frickin outfit like Foxconn or other anyway |
| [12:54:26] | justinh: | btw as well as researching light output it's possibly a good idea to look into the lamp replacement costs too, before you buy |
| [12:54:37] | rileyp: | Hmm agreed its the same with the lcd screen in the projector.... |
| [12:55:06] | justinh: | some of the cheaper ones could work out as being more expensive to run, long term |
| [12:56:35] | rileyp: | I jusr want one that I can wacth a movie on once or twice a week at night play wii on with my son every now and then thats it |
| [12:56:51] | justinh: | do you wanna have to close the curtains every time you use it? ;-) |
| [12:57:14] | justinh: | if you don't mind doing that you likely don't need to pay extra $$$ for light output you don't need |
| [12:58:06] | justinh: | heh I see they're making LED lit projectors now |
| [12:58:16] | rileyp: | I don't really need a daytime projector |
| [12:58:45] | rileyp: | Hmm but the jury is still out is it not? as tyo how go they are |
| [12:58:46] | justinh: | my advice would be to try & go see some in action |
| [12:58:57] | justinh: | as with TVs |
| [12:59:15] | justinh: | or buy from somewhere with an unconditional returns policy |
| [12:59:52] | justinh: | some places will do that, but you generally pay a little extra. the level of customer service & knowledge at those kind of places tends to be better too though |
| [12:59:53] | rileyp: | therelots on ebay in au for about $300 – $600 and a replacement globe is $15 – $20 |
| [13:00:28] | rileyp: | thats the led projectors |
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| [14:02:10] | skd5aner: | great – server now locks up every boot now :( |
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| [14:02:33] | skd5aner: | UGH... great timing, when the new season starts |
| [14:05:54] | ** skd5aner goes to look at the commits from the BSP ** | |
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| [14:31:41] | justinh: | hmm? BattleStar Potempkin? |
| [14:31:46] | justinh: | BSP... |
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| [14:45:14] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Bug Squashing Party, was this weekend in #mythtv-bsp |
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| [14:47:44] | justinh: | ahh. head under rock-itis |
| [14:48:15] | iamlindoro: | Bugs under 300 for the first time in ages |
| [14:48:33] | iamlindoro: | To give reference, before I went on my triagefest earlier this year we were at 630 |
| [14:48:46] | justinh: | wow |
| [14:48:52] | iamlindoro: | To be at 282 now is a minor miracle |
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| [14:48:55] | justinh: | amazing work then :) |
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| [14:52:36] | iamlindoro: | Wow, looks like the Boxee box dumped the tegra |
| [14:52:44] | iamlindoro: | Now it's just an Atom |
| [14:53:11] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK Isaac and the other nVidia folks did a ton of work to help them make it work well on Tegra 2, must have been a kick in the teeth |
| [14:54:20] | justinh: | ... as the production date slips & slips... |
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| [14:57:08] | justinh: | "while NVIDIA's dual-core Tegra T20 was apparently not up to the task, the team had internally tested Intel's CE4100 decoding streams at up to 90 megabits per second." .. yuh but how many torrented mkvs are 90Mb/sec? ;-) |
| [14:58:13] | justinh: | Boxee (TM): "All your viewing habits are belong to us" |
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| [15:02:30] | iamlindoro: | http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=9860 |
| [15:02:35] | iamlindoro: | Damn, I was so close |
| [15:02:52] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if I can get 1.5 Billion / 2 for being half right |
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| [15:06:13] | justinh: | honestly though.. 90Mb/sec h.264.. where can that even be found in domestic consumer land? |
| [15:06:31] | iamlindoro: | Nowhere that I am aware of-- Even Blu-ray peters out short of 50 Mbit |
| [15:07:08] | iamlindoro: | You'd have to generate it yourself, which presupposes having source material that would be of even higher quality (ie, a RED cam) |
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| [15:07:17] | justinh: | hrm. methinks I can smell foul play |
| [15:07:41] | justinh: | er corporation politics I mean |
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| [15:09:46] | justinh: | wonder how they got hw accelerated flash... bout time loonix got some of that |
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| [15:24:27] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: any chance that we could change the "original airdate" field in the PBB on Arclight to include the year? |
| [15:25:01] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: that textarea is filled using the frontend date format the user selected |
| [15:25:15] | iamlindoro: | If you want the year, you have to select a date format that includes year |
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| [15:26:47] | Beirdo: | ahhhh |
| [15:26:50] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [15:27:12] | Beirdo: | :) so yes, there is, but I gotta fix my borked settings. Fair enoug :) |
| [15:29:58] | Beirdo: | much better |
| [15:30:05] | Beirdo: | thanks, man :) |
| [15:30:08] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:30:43] | skd5aner: | yea, I had the same "lightbulb" moment about 8 months ago |
| [15:30:48] | Beirdo: | well, time to try to catch a bus |
| [15:30:50] | skd5aner: | when I was like "what year were these recorded" |
| [15:31:04] | skd5aner: | found the date format setting an was really excited |
| [15:31:16] | Beirdo: | yeah, for me it is my Family Guy recordings... Original Airdate: Sun Nov 8 |
| [15:31:19] | Beirdo: | oooook |
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| [15:32:10] | Beirdo: | Sun Nov 8 2009 is so much more useful :) |
| [15:32:22] | Beirdo: | anyways... I'd better scoot |
| [15:32:30] | justinh: | nah, Sun 8 Nov 2009 is much more useful :-P |
| [15:32:33] | Bmyers: | anyone using xbox 360 upnp frontend? |
| [15:32:46] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: i didnt bother mentioning a token mismatch on the client, since our client should never have a token mismatch when there is not also a version mismatch |
| [15:32:48] | justinh: | Bmyers: people who wear earplugs? |
| [15:33:14] | Bmyers: | sometimes perhaps. thats a personal preferance |
| [15:33:41] | Bmyers: | or do u mean those gauge things? |
| [15:34:06] | justinh: | I mean those things which block out loud noises :) |
| [15:34:49] | Bmyers: | oh. just trying to get my $15 xbox360 to be a upnp frontend with jtag'n it and install mythtv |
| [15:34:56] | Bmyers: | which might be best anyway |
| [15:35:42] | justinh: | AFAIK the 360 is very limited in the formats it can play |
| [15:37:13] | Bmyers: | yes. looking like i'll have to transcode stuff |
| [15:37:43] | Bmyers: | i am running myth .21, did upnp get alot better with later versions? |
| [15:37:43] | justinh: | stupid lame consoles :) |
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| [15:38:09] | justinh: | 0.21? who can even remember 0.21? :-) |
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| [15:38:28] | justinh: | there've doubtless been changes made to upnp since then |
| [15:38:41] | wagnerrp: | $15? |
| [15:39:08] | Bmyers: | garage sailing |
| [15:39:11] | wagnerrp: | was this one that 'fell off the back of the truck'? |
| [15:39:21] | Bmyers: | got 2 for 30 |
| [15:39:27] | justinh: | puzzled as to why JTAG has to be involved too |
| [15:39:31] | Bmyers: | 3redlights of death |
| [15:39:49] | Bmyers: | jtag would let me install mythbuntu or whatever |
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| [15:40:05] | Bmyers: | instead of xbox OS |
| [15:40:13] | justinh: | rofl |
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| [15:40:22] | justinh: | video playback without any acceleration is gonna suck |
| [15:40:38] | skd5aner: | also, upnp wouldn't matter if you were running mythfrontend |
| [15:41:13] | Bmyers: | it wouldnt |
| [15:41:23] | Bmyers: | but i was trying the east way 1st |
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| [15:42:05] | wagnerrp: | Bmyers: the 'easiest way' is to just buy a frontend |
| [15:42:11] | justinh: | yes video playback without any hw acceleration would suck... video playback inside just a framebuffer sucks |
| [15:42:25] | justinh: | no scaling or colour conversion in the GPU... oof |
| [15:42:32] | wagnerrp: | the next 'easiest way' is to buy something that properly does UPnP, instead of microsoft's hacked up variant of it |
| [15:42:56] | Bmyers: | i dont like micro$oft any more than the next guy |
| [15:43:07] | justinh: | it's not about hating MS |
| [15:43:13] | wagnerrp: | and/or a upnp client that does common codecs and containers |
| [15:43:23] | justinh: | it's about them saying it's got Upnp compliance when it hasn't |
| [15:43:33] | justinh: | like them saying IE is standards compliant, when it ain't |
| [15:43:42] | Bmyers: | so, basically, you both dont have much experience in what i am asking? |
| [15:44:00] | justinh: | no, basically we're saying that what you're aiming to do – there are better ways |
| [15:44:17] | Bmyers: | have you setup an xbox 360 ask a frontend? |
| [15:44:23] | justinh: | you can't |
| [15:44:24] | wagnerrp: | its us saying it doesnt work because mythtv doesnt make special allowances to support the 360 |
| [15:44:41] | justinh: | the best you get is the 360 will play some files from a mythtv backend |
| [15:44:59] | Bmyers: | thats what i am looking for |
| [15:45:03] | justinh: | so long as they're in certain containers, with certain codecs. which is lame |
| [15:45:22] | iamlindoro: | where certain containers does not include any format recorded by myth |
| [15:45:27] | justinh: | and as for running mythfrontend on LINUX on an xbox360 – that's pretty much living in a dreamworld |
| [15:45:29] | wagnerrp: | the 360 will not play the codecs and containers recorded by myth |
| [15:45:44] | iamlindoro: | 360 does not support NUV at all, and does not support MPEG-TS via uPnP-- meaning 0% of myth recordings are playable via uPnP |
| [15:46:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: not ivtv stuff? |
| [15:46:28] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Well, IVTV will record TS *or* PS, PS might work |
| [15:46:45] | justinh: | didn't think any mpeg2 worked at all |
| [15:47:11] | Bmyers: | justdave: i thought i had seen some specific xbox/linux/myth stuff out there. |
| [15:47:19] | Bmyers: | oops |
| [15:47:21] | Bmyers: | wrong j |
| [15:47:27] | justinh: | xbox sure, not xbox360 |
| [15:47:36] | wagnerrp: | weve all done it, poor justdave |
| [15:47:49] | iamlindoro: | Bmyers: Myth used to have some original xbox code-- that code is gone. It has no 360-specific code whatsoever |
| [15:48:21] | Bmyers: | i remember seeing xbox options somewhere in there. guess it didnt work out so well |
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| [15:48:39] | wagnerrp: | Bmyers: even if you could run mythfrontend on a 360, it is a 3.2GHz in-order power pc |
| [15:48:48] | justinh: | xbox linux sucks compared to a real computer |
| [15:48:56] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg is single threaded for mpeg2 stuff, and certainly not well optimized for that architecture |
| [15:48:57] | Bmyers: | was looking to using them just because they are small, etc |
| [15:49:08] | wagnerrp: | it likely wouldnt be able to decode the content in real time |
| [15:49:10] | Bmyers: | instead of having a tower near my tv |
| [15:49:11] | justinh: | I ran mythfrontend on an old xbox for a while, just for giggles. it really did suck |
| [15:49:13] | iamlindoro: | Xbox.... small? |
| [15:49:20] | wagnerrp: | you dont need a 'tower' |
| [15:49:23] | iamlindoro: | it's about 6 times the size of a micro-ITX box |
| [15:49:24] | Bmyers: | relatively |
| [15:49:37] | wagnerrp: | there are plenty of small cases and smaller components you can stuff next to your PC |
| [15:49:42] | iamlindoro: | relative to Mount Rushmore? |
| [15:49:46] | Bmyers: | sure |
| [15:49:55] | Bmyers: | smaller than a tower pc |
| [15:50:03] | wagnerrp: | bigger than a mini-itx pc |
| [15:50:08] | Bmyers: | which is the other pile of parts i have around |
| [15:50:12] | wagnerrp: | s/bigger/much bigger/ |
| [15:51:22] | Bmyers: | any link for a nice/cheap/small/fast micro-itx box? |
| [15:51:34] | Bmyers: | whats out there these days? |
| [15:51:48] | wagnerrp: | youve got the 'desktop' style cases... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121027 |
| [15:51:49] | Bmyers: | haven't looking around since my "small" antec |
| [15:52:04] | Bmyers: | smaller than that. |
| [15:52:05] | wagnerrp: | the 'shuttle' style cases... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133045 |
| [15:52:07] | Bmyers: | front end only |
| [15:52:20] | wagnerrp: | or the really small stuff... http://www.logicsupply.com/products/m350 |
| [15:52:27] | Bmyers: | had one like that 2nd one. |
| [15:52:29] | Bmyers: | PITA |
| [15:52:48] | Bmyers: | well those are all bigger than an xbox |
| [15:53:06] | wagnerrp: | or really really small stuff... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103266 |
| [15:53:17] | Bmyers: | anything wifiie approved? |
| [15:53:24] | justinh: | you all forget something |
| [15:53:42] | justinh: | you can't get real HDTV playback capable systems at yard sales for a few sheckles :) |
| [15:53:43] | wagnerrp: | both of those last two are considerably smaller than an xbox |
| [15:53:52] | Bmyers: | well,for $300 i'll just transcode the stuff until xboxx is happy |
| [15:54:04] | justinh: | hahaha h.264 has to be < 10mbit too |
| [15:54:20] | justinh: | http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/nxe/gam . . . backfaq.aspx |
| [15:54:39] | wagnerrp: | no one ever said running MythTV was 'cheap' |
| [15:54:40] | Bmyers: | oh, m350, just read the specs. that is small |
| [15:55:13] | Bmyers: | running mythtv for the past 6–7 years like i have, it has been "cheap" really.. |
| [15:55:39] | justinh: | 7 years? :-O |
| [15:55:52] | Bmyers: | a long damn time |
| [15:56:13] | Bmyers: | life seems slower once you are married |
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| [15:56:31] | Bmyers: | feels like i've been married with children for 25 years |
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| [15:56:46] | Bmyers: | i think its cause my wife snores so much... |
| [15:56:55] | Bmyers: | which is why i am up watching mythtv |
| [15:57:08] | justinh: | funny, you'd think somebody who'd been a user that long would've known a bit more about it but hey |
| [15:57:22] | Bmyers: | never tried messing with xbox frontends |
| [15:57:33] | Bmyers: | just built something an went with it |
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| [15:57:37] | justinh: | and no, IMHO time passes by much faster – it just feels like a long time |
| [15:57:52] | Bmyers: | yeah, feels like a long time.. |
| [15:57:56] | justinh: | ultimately you wonder wth you've ended up doing with your life |
| [15:58:10] | Bmyers: | mucking with mythtv and xbox... |
| [15:58:12] | justinh: | speaking of which... time I cut down some more on my IRC'ing |
| [15:58:19] | Bmyers: | l8r |
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| [16:00:14] | jannau: | iamlindoro: afaik are some missing high profile features in the video accel the problem and not so much the bitrate. missing neon (arm SIMD) make it hard or impossible to work around those limitations at 1080p |
| [16:00:51] | iamlindoro: | jannau: I think justinh was actually the one concerned about the bitrate |
| [16:01:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, it wasn't a big deal, but it might help a dev debug somewhere along the line. and it also might help some 3rd party realize why their lib is broken so they can fix it. :) |
| [16:02:28] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: assuming they dont read the 'client sent incorrect protocol token for protocol version' in the backend logs? |
| [16:02:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep, don't assume with these people. :) |
| [16:03:03] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [16:03:29] | jannau: | iamlindoro: you're right. I haven't read the backlog closely |
| [16:03:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably didn't need to make that change but did want it to be technically correct. might save one of our devs time sometime somehow, who knows. |
| [16:03:52] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [16:04:07] | iamlindoro: | jannau: np... I was thinking more about how closely nVidia allegedly worked with Boxee on the hardware, and how unfortunate it was that all that effort was basically wasted |
| [16:04:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | other than that, no complains so far that I know of... of course I haven't checked my email yet today. :) |
| [16:05:20] | wagnerrp: | nigel caught some weird chopping of the backend logs |
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| [16:06:08] | wagnerrp: | OH |
| [16:06:21] | jannau: | the change probably makes the boxee box more suitable for a mythfrontend (assuming sodaville uses libva) |
| [16:06:36] | wagnerrp: | mainserver.cpp... lines 1187 and 1199... does that need a '+' for the string concatenation in the log lines? |
| [16:07:27] | jannau: | wagnerrp: C strings are concatenated automatically |
| [16:09:10] | jannau: | the "+ '!'" is the problem |
| [16:09:18] | jannau: | Captain_Murdoch: ^^ |
| [16:09:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | fixing now. |
| [16:09:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | already looked at that. :) typing myc ommit log |
| [16:10:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | done |
| [16:11:03] | ** Captain_Murdoch looked away, and had his chat window pop back up in front of his 'svn commit' window when his name was mentioned. ** | |
| [16:11:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:11:42] | ** wagnerrp feels foolish ** | |
| [16:11:51] | wagnerrp: | i remember looking at the similar logs when writing that thing |
| [16:11:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | cut-and-paste error. :) |
| [16:12:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | since the lines above do use that syntax. |
| [16:12:11] | wagnerrp: | and thinking 'that exclamation mark must be needed to terminate the string for verbose statements' |
| [16:12:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i just blindly copied it |
| [16:13:08] | ** Captain_Murdoch makes a mental note that that's the last time he applies one of wagnerrp's patches with only minimal testing. ;) ** | |
| [16:13:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:13:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | fine-toothed comb, here I come... |
| [16:13:43] | wagnerrp: | hey, it worked (with the header change) |
| [16:13:44] | Beirdo: | it's working fine for me, BTW. |
| [16:13:48] | wagnerrp: | i just screwed up the logging |
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| [16:15:14] | kenni: | ll |
| [16:15:22] | kenni: | ups, sorry |
| [16:15:23] | wagnerrp: | . |
| [16:15:24] | wagnerrp: | .. |
| [16:15:28] | wagnerrp: | porn/ |
| [16:15:31] | kenni: | ;) |
| [16:16:36] | iamlindoro: | jannau: Heh, so http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1939785 Every time I ./configure --previous, the number of escaped backticks doubles |
| [16:16:44] | iamlindoro: | That's about the fifth or sixth generation |
| [16:17:28] | wagnerrp: | why cant the boxee box just be a normal shape? something that might fit in an a/v cabinet? |
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| [16:17:59] | jannau: | wagnerrp: to be different! |
| [16:18:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont want a different frontend, i want something hidden, indiscrete |
| [16:19:04] | wagnerrp: | i guess the showy box is advertisement as anything else |
| [16:19:12] | wagnerrp: | your friends come over and... what is that!?!? |
| [16:19:26] | iamlindoro: | Their remote is pretty slick, though... wonder if they'll sell it seperately |
| [16:20:17] | wagnerrp: | i havent decided on that |
| [16:20:27] | wagnerrp: | i like the bluetooth and integrated keyboard |
| [16:20:34] | wagnerrp: | but its a bit too spartan for my tastes |
| [16:20:40] | iamlindoro: | That said, the other qwerty-back remote on engadget last week looks even cooler |
| [16:21:34] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/07/philips-ho . . . tractive-pe/ |
| [16:21:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the phillips has a much more reasonable button count |
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| [17:10:45] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [17:10:54] | ** Beirdo adds A-Team to his recording list ** | |
| [17:12:38] | mag0o: | RTV is the best |
| [17:13:03] | Beirdo: | it's on 7_2, whatever it's officially called |
| [17:13:16] | Beirdo: | note to self... get better icons for secondary OTA channels |
| [17:14:34] | mag0o: | I'd bet it's RTV, they have *everthing* from when TV was good |
| [17:15:02] | Beirdo: | it's followed by Rockford files |
| [17:15:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [17:15:22] | wagnerrp: | no one could roll a vehicle like the a-team... |
| [17:15:38] | wagnerrp: | rockford files, thats the Maverick guy, right? |
| [17:15:57] | Beirdo: | James Garner |
| [17:16:04] | Beirdo: | IIRC |
| [17:16:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [17:17:02] | wagnerrp: | watched one of his movies over the weekend |
| [17:17:06] | Beirdo: | just looking at next week on the networks for new shows to record, and that was right there |
| [17:17:52] | Beirdo: | think I'm gonna be short on tuners :) |
| [17:19:26] | Beirdo: | not to mention disk space :) |
| [17:19:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:19:54] | Beirdo: | ooh, Iron Maiden concert on 101 next Monday |
| [17:19:55] | Beirdo: | yoink |
| [17:21:02] | Beirdo: | Oh, that's real specific |
| [17:21:07] | Beirdo: | Chase: Pilot |
| [17:21:10] | Beirdo: | no description |
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| [17:23:25] | Beirdo: | it would be funny if I needed to get another HDHomerun |
| [17:24:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: something about us marshals chasing fugitives |
| [17:24:30] | Beirdo: | ah, that could be entertaining |
| [17:25:51] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be free of conflicts |
| [17:26:11] | Beirdo: | I haven't checked yet |
| [17:26:12] | wagnerrp: | but i feel im going to run out of space in short order |
| [17:26:23] | Beirdo: | just loading up the schedule |
| [17:26:26] | wagnerrp: | i better put one of those 2TBs into the rotation |
| [17:26:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:26:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, my rebuild will need to happen RSN |
| [17:27:12] | wagnerrp: | what is 'Big Lake' and why am i recording it? |
| [17:27:32] | Beirdo: | Parenthood... any good? |
| [17:27:39] | wagnerrp: | havent seen it |
| [17:27:41] | Beirdo: | the show, not the reality |
| [17:28:46] | Beirdo: | Cougar Town... I think I'll pass |
| [17:29:05] | Beirdo: | oooh, new L&O: SVU |
| [17:29:15] | Beirdo: | this one needs a filter... new only, please |
| [17:30:49] | Beirdo: | Survivor: Nicaragua?! |
| [17:31:04] | Beirdo: | *head desk* |
| [17:31:10] | Beirdo: | when will that crap ever die? |
| [17:31:20] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [17:31:20] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: They strap a Kilo of cocaine to your back with a stapler, and send you into the jungle. Whoever survives until the finale wins |
| [17:31:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:31:37] | wagnerrp: | ... i need to update my backend |
| [17:31:47] | Beirdo: | put it in the 80s... avoid the rebels! |
| [17:31:58] | wagnerrp: | i need to use the bindings, but my backend is several versions old |
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| [17:32:17] | wagnerrp: | and mythweb doesnt seem to show you what rule is causing something to record |
| [17:32:25] | wagnerrp: | i sure cant figure it out |
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| [17:35:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: unless you know of some way i cant seem to find |
| [17:36:13] | kormoc: | huh? |
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| [17:36:36] | wagnerrp: | figure out what rule is causing an upcoming recording in mythweb |
| [17:36:58] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [17:37:34] | kormoc: | it should already |
| [17:37:45] | kormoc: | if you click into a upcoming recording, it should take you to the recording rule |
| [17:39:02] | wagnerrp: | i can click 'cancel this schedule' |
| [17:39:08] | wagnerrp: | but i dont actually know what schedule it is |
| [17:39:21] | wagnerrp: | as in 'recording schedules', i have nothing listed for anything called 'big lake' |
| [17:39:31] | wagnerrp: | so it must be spilling from some other rule |
| [17:40:23] | Beirdo: | OK, up to Thursday we go |
| [17:40:51] | kormoc: | there's a ?recid= in the url, no? |
| [17:41:16] | Beirdo: | $..! My Dad Says |
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| [17:41:45] | wagnerrp: | not that i see, no |
| [17:41:47] | Beirdo: | nice. way to make a show title that needs censoring... and uses both $ and ! to make UNIX filenames tedious |
| [17:42:35] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [17:44:27] | wagnerrp: | funky, theyre getting picked up by my Futurama rule |
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| [17:44:52] | wagnerrp: | (reverted the bindings so i could pull a recordid) |
| [17:45:25] | kormoc: | seriesid? |
| [17:45:53] | kormoc: | I've had TMS change seriesids on me so I've had to remove and re-add rules to update them |
| [17:46:11] | wagnerrp: | different |
| [17:46:32] | wagnerrp: | EP00303483 vs. EP01291476 |
| [17:50:13] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is that its in the same date/time/channel |
| [17:50:26] | wagnerrp: | but its set to record all, not record timeslot |
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| [17:52:29] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm | |
| [17:53:43] | stuartm: | Stream #0.0[0x201]: Video: h264, yuvj420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 50 fps, 50 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc << Any thoughts on how best to handle 50fps, interlaced HD? That's far too much for my GPU to handle, vdpau can't render that smooth |
| [17:54:19] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: the GPU should be able to render whatever you feed it, you mean it cant deinterlace that? |
| [17:54:42] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I'm talking about vdpau's ability to deinterlace |
| [17:55:26] | wagnerrp: | the lowest vdpau deint filter should be able to handle it |
| [17:55:41] | stuartm: | I'll give One Field a try |
| [17:56:16] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1939889 if youre interested in the details |
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| [17:59:19] | stevi: | Hello everybody. I need help. My recordings are gone. I found out that mysql table "record" is corrupt. Can somebody tell me how to repair this? |
| [17:59:49] | wagnerrp: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/myisam-repair.html |
| [18:00:07] | wagnerrp: | make sure to shut down all instances of mythtv, or anything else that might be accessing that database, before doing this |
| [18:00:38] | stuartm: | this shows up a limitation of playback profiles, you choose one profile for 25fps material and another for 50fps |
| [18:01:05] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [18:01:11] | stevi: | thx, i'll try now. |
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| [18:02:08] | wagnerrp: | all interlaced content should be 50fps |
| [18:02:27] | Beirdo: | umm, shouldn't that be non-interlaced? |
| [18:02:36] | wagnerrp: | fields |
| [18:02:41] | Beirdo: | fps = frames per second |
| [18:02:54] | Beirdo: | in common terminology |
| [18:03:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, PAL is 50 fields per second |
| [18:03:28] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: this is 50 frames per second, 100 fields |
| [18:03:57] | Beirdo: | wow. |
| [18:04:06] | wagnerrp: | if its 50 /frames/ per second, it should not be interlaced |
| [18:04:07] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: what are you using to confirm that? |
| [18:04:08] | stuartm: | it's most definitely not standard, but it is what ITV HD is currently pumping out |
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| [18:04:26] | Beirdo: | so they are doing double framerate interlaced? |
| [18:04:28] | iamlindoro: | Because ffmpeg uses "fps" and inserts the number of fields per second there |
| [18:04:29] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [18:04:41] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: aside from ffmpeg, my own eyes and vdpau's complete failure to play it properly |
| [18:04:43] | iamlindoro: | ie 1080i 60 frame per second material is displayed as 60 fps in ffmpeg -i |
| [18:04:54] | iamlindoro: | in reality it's 30 frames, but 60 fields |
| [18:05:13] | iamlindoro: | Add to that the fact that there's no standard for 1080i @ 100 fields per second |
| [18:05:16] | stuartm: | ffmpeg describes PAL content as 25fps (which is correct) |
| [18:05:18] | ** Beirdo wishes frame and field started with different letters to forever remove the confusion ** | |
| [18:05:32] | Beirdo: | phields per second. :) |
| [18:05:38] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: really it doesn't matter what it is, we don't handle it very well |
| [18:05:59] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Your hardware might not, but it sounds like a matter of insufficient hardware for deinterlace method |
| [18:06:12] | iamlindoro: | ie, not sure what Myth can do about it |
| [18:07:02] | Beirdo: | kormoc: (and others) |
| [18:07:16] | Beirdo: | any plan on creating a schedule per channel as a list |
| [18:07:22] | Beirdo: | as opposed to a grid? |
| [18:07:38] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: well I have no such problems with BBC HD (reported as 25fps), nor ITV HD content which is reported as 25fps, just the odd recording which claims 50fps |
| [18:08:20] | stuartm: | the same hardware handles every odd HD H.264/VLC sample I've ever thrown at it |
| [18:08:30] | Beirdo: | kormoc: like http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGr . . . ;channel=4.2 |
| [18:08:46] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: You're using an 8200 or something, right? That's not going to have great deinterlace support |
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| [18:09:30] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Easy enough to confirm, just lower your deinterlacer and if the content plays properly... |
| [18:09:44] | stuartm: | yes and I know it's not the best vdpau capable hardware, one-field covers this material just fine, but we're back around to "<stuartm> this shows up a limitation of playback profiles, you choose one profile for 25fps material and another for 50fps" |
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| [18:09:56] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: read back a bit |
| [18:09:58] | iamlindoro: | playback profiles are crap period |
| [18:10:11] | stuartm: | agreed |
| [18:10:19] | iamlindoro: | They're a horrible mechanism for a user to choose that kind of thing |
| [18:10:53] | stuartm: | we should handle it automatically IMHO, but since I'm not prepared to write that code ... |
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| [18:12:15] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [18:12:16] | iamlindoro: | I'm unsure whether it's possible/feasible, but wondering if deinterlace can be changed on the fly-- I know it can be enabled and disabled, as we already do that-- but being able to pick a new deinterlacer from the OSD menu would be a nice step |
| [18:12:25] | Beirdo: | Thursday 9pm... conflict |
| [18:12:34] | Beirdo: | next week |
| [18:12:48] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: it would be a start, but I really wouldn't want to be doing that each time I started watching a recording |
| [18:12:55] | Beirdo: | recording... 2 HDHomerun, 1 HDPVR, 2 PVR250 |
| [18:13:06] | Beirdo: | and one poor unlucky recording gonna be missed |
| [18:13:55] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Well, what I'm thinking is that there's a "baseline" profile, and every time we see a new resolution, we create a rule for it-- and then any change "sticks" |
| [18:14:26] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: So the first time the user plays 1920x1080, a DB row is inserted with a baseline profile-- then as the user changes options, the profile is updated to match, and used in the future |
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| [18:15:08] | stuartm: | well in this case the resolution is shared with other material which plays fine with the higher deinterlacers, we need to consider other criteria such as reported framerate |
| [18:15:31] | Beirdo: | I like that, but it would be good to allow for different playback profiles based on source codec too |
| [18:15:44] | Beirdo: | i.e. MPEG2 vs H.264 may need different settings |
| [18:15:51] | iamlindoro: | yeah, would be an opportunity to change the rule criterion-- would just be nice for it to be transparent to the user |
| [18:15:59] | iamlindoro: | so at most, the user can change the "baseline" profile |
| [18:16:04] | stuartm: | we need a solution that either is based on a set of user-configured rules (sub optimal) or fully automatic |
| [18:16:10] | Beirdo: | and settable from the menu during playback :) |
| [18:16:21] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: That's what we've been saying ;) |
| [18:16:22] | stuartm: | Beirdo: only as a last resort |
| [18:16:35] | Beirdo: | not as last resort |
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| [18:16:46] | Beirdo: | you'll never be able to crystal ball a user's config |
| [18:16:58] | stuartm: | well you can teach granny to figure it out then :) |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, we have defaults |
| [18:17:08] | Beirdo: | which hopefully are sane |
| [18:17:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:17:53] | Beirdo: | but unless we can somehow determine what the default should be for that particular hardware setup... expect that nearly every user will need to tweak |
| [18:18:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: sure you can |
| [18:18:16] | wagnerrp: | we could detect what hardware the user has |
| [18:18:35] | Beirdo: | that gives a baseline, true. |
| [18:18:40] | wagnerrp: | have some internal list of what different methods to try, in order of performance requirements |
| [18:18:50] | Beirdo: | I guess |
| [18:18:57] | Beirdo: | CPU, GPU, etc... |
| [18:19:11] | wagnerrp: | try software decoding, most to least intensive deint |
| [18:19:16] | Beirdo: | OK, I'm on crack, but it ain't gonna be easy |
| [18:19:28] | wagnerrp: | fall back through vdpau, vaapi, chd, etc... |
| [18:19:55] | wagnerrp: | for vdpau deints, we could do something like qvdpautest to test performance |
| [18:20:10] | wagnerrp: | or something similar for CPU decode/deint performance |
| [18:20:36] | Beirdo: | you want software decoding as the first thing? I'd say that would be the last thing if there's hardware accel support |
| [18:20:42] | Beirdo: | but yeah, in concept |
| [18:20:51] | wagnerrp: | have an option to 'force to hardware accel' |
| [18:21:07] | Beirdo: | more like... force to software decoding |
| [18:21:14] | iamlindoro: | Alternately, we write a benchmarking quite that tries all of those things and builds known-good internal profiles based on them |
| [18:21:15] | Beirdo: | if the hardware accel is there, use it |
| [18:21:16] | iamlindoro: | er suite |
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| [18:21:28] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: right, thats what i was getting at |
| [18:21:29] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I like that plan :) |
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| [18:21:36] | iamlindoro: | ie, it takes a known clip and plays it through with all required options to determine what will work for sure |
| [18:21:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [18:21:47] | wagnerrp: | something that ran a number of benchmarks at the first run, and decides what should be used |
| [18:21:52] | Beirdo: | we need feedback from users to complete it though |
| [18:22:18] | Beirdo: | make it like the bootup check for md RAID performance? |
| [18:22:42] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Not really, we just set threshholds for numbers for fields/frames to decode per unit of time for a method to be declared "acceptable" |
| [18:22:57] | iamlindoro: | so user input isn't really required |
| [18:23:04] | ** Beirdo puts a limit on the number of Top Gear to keep ** | |
| [18:23:38] | Beirdo: | I meant like anonymous feedback, not keypress, BTW |
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| [18:24:09] | Beirdo: | to collect system stats to tweak the algorithms... would make it more "foolproof" |
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| [18:24:55] | Beirdo: | I mean, we can profile our setups to death |
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| [18:25:33] | Beirdo: | but what about Joe Blow with a setup we've never seen.. might be helpful to find out system config -> benchmarks |
| [18:26:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: just run looping samples of several major codecs, and see what bitrate it can decode |
| [18:26:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's a start |
| [18:27:12] | Beirdo: | but do we have samples of all the varieties out there? |
| [18:27:15] | Beirdo: | I doubt it |
| [18:27:28] | Beirdo: | like New Zealand broadcast.. etc |
| [18:27:48] | flexy: | is there a way to disable the live preview of some channel, from the starting of livetv? I have the epg starting first when choosing livetv, epg starts with preview of some channels program. I would like to stop that preview, is it possible? |
| [18:27:55] | Beirdo: | I expect that we can profile the common case for the developers |
| [18:28:24] | Beirdo: | but there's a lot of variety around the world, and we need to be sure not to mess it up for others or there will be endless screaming :) |
| [18:28:31] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Audio formats have nothing to do with playback profiles |
| [18:28:45] | Beirdo: | video formats do though |
| [18:28:50] | iamlindoro: | New Zealand Uses H.264 |
| [18:28:57] | iamlindoro: | Nothing non standard about their video |
| [18:29:03] | Beirdo: | that was an example |
| [18:29:17] | wagnerrp: | for software decoding at least, bitrate is far more important than just about any other factor |
| [18:29:28] | iamlindoro: | OK, well where would you propose it would somehow be different? |
| [18:29:45] | iamlindoro: | Pretty much across the board, all we need to worry about is H.264, MPEG-2, and xvid/divx |
| [18:29:53] | Beirdo: | I dunno, there are a lot of countries, and variety amongst providers within countries |
| [18:30:03] | Beirdo: | plus IPTV, etc. |
| [18:30:05] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:30:09] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Those are transmission methods |
| [18:30:17] | iamlindoro: | The formats themselves are unchanging |
| [18:30:23] | Beirdo: | we hope :) |
| [18:30:26] | iamlindoro: | I'm just asking if you have any concrete examples of your point |
| [18:30:42] | iamlindoro: | or is it just an idle worry that you're not sure about? |
| [18:30:56] | Beirdo: | not at this time, but my point is we can't assume we know all the cases exhaustively. |
| [18:31:07] | Beirdo: | and you know how people whine :) |
| [18:31:24] | justinh: | fwiw I dunno how this proposed scheme could be any worse than what we have now, where a default can be something completely unsuitable for a user's frontend |
| [18:31:27] | Beirdo: | for sure though... MPEG2, H.264, MPEG4, NUV |
| [18:31:35] | iamlindoro: | NUV is a container |
| [18:31:38] | iamlindoro: | xvid/divx |
| [18:31:48] | iamlindoro: | and/or MJPEG |
| [18:31:54] | Beirdo: | NUV -> MPEG4, MJPEG, RTJPEG |
| [18:31:59] | Beirdo: | I realize that |
| [18:32:08] | iamlindoro: | well you're mixing your terminologies :P |
| [18:32:12] | Beirdo: | I was lumping them together for simplicity |
| [18:32:14] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [18:32:22] | Beirdo: | OK then |
| [18:32:30] | iamlindoro: | Just smacks of the classic "can't get anything done because everyone's got to have their say" Myth mentality |
| [18:32:31] | Beirdo: | MPEG2-PS, MPEG2-PES, MPEG2-TS |
| [18:32:37] | Beirdo: | ]etc. |
| [18:32:45] | Beirdo: | no no. |
| [18:32:57] | ** iamlindoro goes off to do something less stressful ** | |
| [18:33:04] | justinh: | also, I'm all for anything that makes profile configuration easier. it's not what I'd call user friendly now :) |
| [18:33:07] | Beirdo: | I like the idea, but we just have to be open to be sure we catch em all |
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| [18:33:15] | justinh: | or rather, not grandma friendly :) |
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| [18:33:40] | Beirdo: | and anonymized user feedback can help significantly to find the gaps we may not even know of |
| [18:33:57] | justinh: | Beirdo: IMHO there's always gonna be some gooner who fails to understand what profile they should be selecting |
| [18:34:10] | Beirdo: | heh, but of course |
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| [18:34:13] | justinh: | take as much of that out of the way as you can & it's more on the way to perfection |
| [18:34:21] | Beirdo: | oh for sure |
| [18:34:28] | Beirdo: | I like the concept, trust me |
| [18:34:33] | justinh: | maybe some people will be caught out, but if a little tuning is what it'll take so be it :) |
| [18:34:35] | Beirdo: | what we have now is a royal pain |
| [18:35:45] | justinh: | love to know how I've lost being able to run 2x deinterlacers since I updated. just dawned on me recently |
| [18:36:13] | justinh: | well I know why, I just dunno how |
| [18:36:39] | justinh: | maybe xorg is reporting 25hz.. hmm |
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| [18:38:04] | Baylink: | Beirdo: FPS="frames per second". No one cares about fields. :-) |
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| [18:38:23] | ** Baylink is no longer away. ** | |
| [18:38:35] | Beirdo: | Baylink: tell that to the ffmpeg wonks |
| [18:38:57] | Baylink: | if they're the ones who need to hear it, sure. :-) |
| [18:39:13] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [18:39:14] | stevi_: | i tried "myisamchk -r record" to fix my database, but it doesn't work. What am i doing wrong? |
| [18:39:20] | Beirdo: | got another minor bug to report |
| [18:39:21] | justinh: | oh man. xrandr reports 25Hz. *that* will be why 2x deints are futile |
| [18:40:08] | stuartm: | btw, if anyone wants to suggest a better/alternate tool for breaking down a video into useful and accurate stats I'm certainly looking for one |
| [18:40:13] | stevi_: | File record doesn't exist |
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| [18:41:02] | justinh: | stevi_: mysqlcheck instead |
| [18:41:06] | stevi_: | who can help me to repair my database? i'm absolutly new to this. |
| [18:44:13] | stevi_: | "mysqlcheck -r mythconverg record -u root -p" -> Error: Oncorrect key file for table './mythconverg/record'... |
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| [18:46:52] | wagnerrp: | !seen dmfrey |
| [18:46:52] | MythLogBot: | dmfrey was last seen 42 days 17 hours 23 minutes 41 seconds ago |
| [18:47:20] | stevi_: | "mysqlcheck -r mythconverg record -u root -p" -> Error: Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/record'... |
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| [18:59:12] | stevix: | "mysqlcheck -r mythconverg record -u root -p" -> "Error: Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/record'; try to repair it" |
| [18:59:18] | stevix: | any ideas? |
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| [19:04:02] | stevix: | sorry, there's something wrong with my irc client. did anybody answer already? |
| [19:04:14] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [19:04:27] | stevix: | mhh, ok :( |
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| [19:27:33] | rulet: | Hello |
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| [19:29:47] | flexy: | in table settings, value PlaybackPreview, what does this do? preview in epg or recordings? |
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| [19:30:20] | justinh: | flexy: used to do stuff. now it doesn't AFAIK |
| [19:30:46] | justinh: | and anyway, why are you going poking in the db? |
| [19:31:27] | rulet: | I have such a question — anybody had success in enable subtitle |
| [19:31:40] | stuartm: | yes |
| [19:31:48] | stuartm: | pretty much everyone here |
| [19:32:03] | justinh: | there's even a setting to always enable subtitles by default :) |
| [19:32:04] | rulet: | whe playing mkv through internal player? |
| [19:32:24] | rulet: | I cannot find any answers |
| [19:32:29] | flexy: | justinh: because I'm not local to the machine in question right now. |
| [19:32:47] | justinh: | flexy: displaying a thumbnail of a recording is decided entirely by a theme now |
| [19:33:12] | flexy: | justinh: I'm trying to set off the preview in epg when starting to watch livetv |
| [19:33:14] | justinh: | flexy: and right now, in 0.23 it means you can only have a static image – not a small video preview as in the past |
| [19:33:20] | stuartm: | rulet: mkv is just a container, you need to be more specific about the type of subtitle DVD, DVB, Teletext, CC*, Bluray, external? |
| [19:33:24] | justinh: | flexy: you can't |
| [19:34:05] | rulet: | just any subtytles, no subtitles is shown in mkv |
| [19:34:07] | flexy: | justinh: aah. so, the live tv preview is not possible to set off, without poking around the code? |
| [19:34:12] | stuartm: | justinh: I think he means that he's enabled the show EPG on entering livetv |
| [19:34:18] | flexy: | justinh: ...which I can't do. :( |
| [19:34:18] | iamlindoro: | If you are referring to embedded text subtitles in MKV, that is unsupported in currently released versions. It is supported in our next release, due out next month. Blu-ray, external, and other bitmapped formats in MKV work fine in .23, however |
| [19:34:20] | stuartm: | flexy: ^^ ?? |
| [19:34:50] | justinh: | stuartm: yeah well without absolute specifics we have to poke & prod answers out of people ;-) |
| [19:35:07] | flexy: | stuartm: starting to watch livetv, the epg shows. (as I want it to) but it shows also live preview of some channel. Is that possible to turn off? |
| [19:35:26] | justinh: | flexy: no you can't turn off the video preview in that epg |
| [19:35:41] | flexy: | d'oh |
| [19:35:43] | flexy: | :) |
| [19:35:51] | justinh: | you *might* be able to if you edit the schedule-ui.xml file but the preview may not be optional |
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| [19:35:58] | stuartm: | flexy: only by editing the theme to delete the livetv version of the guide grid, but even then you'll hear the audio |
| [19:36:15] | flexy: | right |
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| [19:36:30] | justinh: | I have a jumppoint defined to take me to the proper guide via my remote's GUIDE button :) |
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| [19:36:44] | rulet: | So you're saying that in 0.24 realise which you say will be next month(and that is great) any type of subtitles will be supported in internal player just like in mplayer? |
| [19:37:23] | iamlindoro: | I'm saying that if you are trying to play embedded raw text subtitles in MKV, that it will be supported in .24 |
| [19:37:28] | stuartm: | afaik we support more subtitle types than mplayer |
| [19:37:31] | justinh: | you have a choice when you make your own mkv files |
| [19:37:48] | flexy: | justinh: right, that might do it... |
| [19:37:51] | wagnerrp: | were also saying that all subtitles you may find on a DVD are going to be bitmapped |
| [19:38:07] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Not to mention them looking gorgeous in Internal (when the user selects a nice font) versus crap in mplayer |
| [19:38:14] | stuartm: | or in broadcast stream |
| [19:38:17] | wagnerrp: | so when you rip your movies, if you simply pull the bitmapped subs, rather than trying to OCR them, or extract the closed captions, it will work in 0.23 |
| [19:39:23] | rulet: | no, not all subtitles which is playing in mplayer(and all others players) is supported in internal player when playing mkv. |
| [19:39:39] | justinh: | yes but generally mythtv supports more types of subs |
| [19:40:14] | iamlindoro: | rulet: That doesn't change the fact that myth supports more types-- and since it's probably embedded raw text that you're trying to play, we support that too (in trunk) |
| [19:40:15] | wagnerrp: | rulet: we support more types of subtitles that you find in broadcast mediums |
| [19:40:22] | wagnerrp: | which are primarily when mythtv is designed for |
| [19:40:22] | skd5aner: | only took a few hours, but the changelog is up to date after the BSP weekend :D |
| [19:41:33] | rulet: | Usually I don't rip movies I usualy download rips from the net. |
| [19:41:50] | iamlindoro: | rulet: We don't support stolen content here |
| [19:41:51] | wagnerrp: | rulet: mythtv does not support such content |
| [19:42:34] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Thank you for all the work you have done on the release notes this cycle |
| [19:42:37] | wagnerrp: | do what you want on your own time, but do not discuss that in here, or seek help dealing with such content in any official mythtv channel or mailing list |
| [19:43:26] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: np, just trying to contribute *something* that might have some kind of value, even if small, back to the community and developers |
| [19:45:20] | rulet: | Anyway threre is a problem with usual subtitles whic are playin in others players without problems |
| [19:45:22] | skd5aner: | it shocks me how freely and open people admit to stealing things in public forums... such a bizarre behavior |
| [19:46:18] | wagnerrp: | rulet: no, there are problems with text subtitles in mkvs, which can only be obtained by OCRing the bitmapped subtitles when you rip them |
| [19:46:25] | wagnerrp: | we are giving you the better alternative to doing that |
| [19:46:56] | iamlindoro: | rulet: There is no such thing as "usual" subtitles-- I have given you all the information I am willing to on your stolen content, and told you what we do and do not support. Time to go |
| [19:47:18] | skd5aner: | I wonder if back in the day people would go to a conference or something with a ton of people listening and say – "I don't usually pay for VHS movies per se, I usually just stuff them in my trenchcoat" |
| [19:47:40] | flexy: | lol |
| [19:48:16] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: thats just a form of discount |
| [19:48:24] | iamlindoro: | of the five fingered variety |
| [19:48:40] | ** skd5aner remembers the first time he ever heard of "five finger discount" and honestly didn't know what they were talking about ** | |
| [19:49:10] | wagnerrp: | the first time i ever heard the term, it was actually 'four-fingered' |
| [19:49:19] | skd5aner: | man, sometimes random memories of unimportant things from childhood just come back to you |
| [19:49:29] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ditto |
| [19:49:43] | stuartm: | Simpson's rule |
| [19:49:44] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: simpsons? |
| [19:49:47] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [19:50:06] | rulet: | Why you decided that I talking only about stolen(or just copied?) movies — I am talking about all kinds of videofiles and as I admitted before there is some problems with subtitles i Internal player. |
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| [19:50:27] | iamlindoro: | Sorry, just wasn't in the mood. |
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| [19:54:33] | rulet: | . |
| [19:55:13] | wagnerrp: | rulet: you specifically said 'rips', DVD rips, BR rips, TV rips... its all illegal |
| [19:55:49] | iamlindoro: | don't egg him on-- because if this conservation continues it's just going to become a permanent ban |
| [19:56:23] | iamlindoro: | I'm in no mood for "it's legal in my country" or other stupidity today |
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| [20:00:04] | rulet: | So put me in a jail!!!, like stupid american goverment does(or any other goververnt do with cooperation with a corporations which break the law and rights all the time and making laws just fo themselves). |
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| [20:02:10] | iamlindoro: | rulet: If you want to stay, you need to simmer down. Last warning. We don't like people using stolen content in here, and we're not interested in helping you play or use content you did not legally obtain |
| [20:03:31] | skd5aner: | rulet: unfortunately (or fortunately however you look at it), rules are rules, and laws are laws – and the mythtv folks are really careful to stay on the "right side of the law" so they don't become a target |
| [20:03:45] | iamlindoro: | And if you *did* legally obtain it, then it's *easier* to use a supported subtitle type than to use the one unsuppoted one in .23, as you get to skip the OCR step |
| [20:04:19] | skd5aner: | lots of good software out there is no-more because they were either directly supporting or played in the gray area of copyright infringement and the mythtv developers and community have gone to great lenghts to avoid being associated with any of that |
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| [20:04:44] | skd5aner: | so... the people who run this channel simply ask that you don't discuss it here, that's all :) |
| [20:06:09] | rulet: | I see, you don't want to understand anythink, you just talking about someting else. So good luck. By the way, maybe IRC also soon become illegal? :) |
| [20:06:26] | skd5aner: | that being said – lots of subtitle support changes in trunk, and the next release is around the corner |
| [20:07:12] | skd5aner: | rulet: don't take it personal, you can still discuss issues with playing back content... just don't discuss where you got it – it doesn't really matter to the conversation anyway |
| [20:07:59] | rulet: | Ok, that is better :) |
| [20:08:14] | iamlindoro: | Actually, no, now that we know where he got it, we won't engage in a discussion of how to play it |
| [20:09:03] | iamlindoro: | And people breaking the rules don't get to decide how they're enforced, or demand that they get better support |
| [20:09:06] | stuartm: | skd5aner: and some of us just don't like people stealing stuff that we pay hard earned money for, there is no moral argument for piracy, we'd not in the territory of stealing a load to feed a starving child, at the end of the day it's purely greed driven – the pirate wishes to own something without compensating the producer for their work |
| [20:09:45] | skd5aner: | stuartm: hey, you don't have to convience me :) |
| [20:09:51] | stuartm: | s/we'd/we're/ |
| [20:11:05] | skd5aner: | anyway – I'm stepping out of this conversation as I was just making an observation to begin with |
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| [20:11:56] | rulet: | Will be possible in new realise of myhtv to choose inteface of mythmusic looks like in xbmc, just like a directory? |
| [20:12:08] | stuartm: | s/load/loaf/ ... I'm stepping out too, until I re-learn to type :/ |
| [20:12:21] | wagnerrp: | someone is currently working on a significant overhaul of mythmusic, it will not be ready in time for 0.24 |
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| [20:15:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, is Big Lake still matching your rule? |
| [20:15:52] | kormoc: | Beirdo, what bout list view? |
| [20:16:47] | Beirdo: | is that togglable somewhere? |
| [20:16:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: hold on a second, just got finished rebuilding and updating |
| [20:16:52] | wagnerrp: | about to restart |
| [20:17:08] | Beirdo: | oh crap |
| [20:17:13] | Beirdo: | click on the channel number |
| [20:17:15] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [20:17:17] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [20:18:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the program row was updated extremely shortly before you noticed the problem which makes me wonder if it used to match but now it doesn't and didn't get a full reschedule run yet |
| [20:18:38] | wagnerrp: | well let me rerun the scheduler |
| [20:18:58] | skd5aner: | Why do people bid up crap on ebay 5 days before an auction closes? |
| [20:19:01] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [20:19:17] | kormoc: | cause not all of us are leet ebay snipers |
| [20:19:28] | PeaceKeeper: | Humm I just loaded mythtv but the nvidia kmdl is for older kernel on atrpms :( Can I load the older kernel in yum? |
| [20:20:17] | skd5aner: | kormoc: if they were buying beanie babbies, then maybe... but people buying motherboards should know better |
| [20:20:36] | wagnerrp: | oof... forgot that with my SBE offline, nothing is going to record off comedy central anyway |
| [20:20:47] | kormoc: | I don't care enough to wait to bid |
| [20:21:03] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: my MBE is toast :( |
| [20:21:49] | skd5aner: | terrible timing for it to give out |
| [20:22:59] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Perfect timing! Still a week to get sick new hardware and get it set up before the new shows start ;) Better gear, and still a week to make it happen |
| [20:23:18] | wagnerrp: | bulk of the new shows, anyway |
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| [20:25:22] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok i think I have to wait for atrpms to get update the nvidia-kmdl is all. |
| [20:25:59] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: aye. and payday in 2 days... :) |
| [20:26:31] | Beirdo: | at least for me anyways |
| [20:26:32] | iamlindoro: | woo hoo! |
| [20:26:44] | iamlindoro: | Me too (though it's spoken for by the mortgage co) |
| [20:27:55] | Beirdo: | heh, sucky |
| [20:27:56] | skd5aner: | yea, and mine's spoken by the landscaper who just put in a new yard :P |
| [20:28:06] | Beirdo: | yards are overrated |
| [20:28:07] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:28:27] | skd5aner: | heh – I wish that were the case |
| [20:28:40] | skd5aner: | besides, the work was done Friday, so I'm paying for it for sure now |
| [20:28:57] | skd5aner: | took 4 days, so you can imagine it's a pretty penny |
| [20:29:03] | Beirdo: | oh boy |
| [20:29:25] | skd5aner: | yea – long story, basically this is a "do-over" from when I built the house last year |
| [20:29:59] | skd5aner: | original landscaper is a joke, so long story short, we had to redo just about everything |
| [20:30:17] | skd5aner: | s/is/was and still is |
| [20:30:41] | skd5aner: | The money was supposed to go to building the deck this year, so it's a big bummer :( |
| [20:32:25] | skd5aner: | anyway – if I could get a good new mobo/CPU/RAM for ~$300, I might dip into the savings, but I haven't done any research on that stuff in 9 months, so I'm a bit out of the loop on the current stuff out there |
| [20:33:15] | skd5aner: | what would you guy's recommend (high level question here) as the best bang for the buck? |
| [20:33:25] | sphery: | I can't remember the last time I paid > $200 for mobo/CPU/RAM |
| [20:33:29] | skd5aner: | for a MBE (no FE, window manager, etc) |
| [20:33:50] | Beirdo: | my plan isn't really in your budget class, so I'm not sure |
| [20:33:52] | high-rez: | Anyone know anything about the WD TV Live? Is it just a UPnP media frontend ? |
| [20:33:58] | skd5aner: | sphery: well, lay it on me... $200 would be very feasible... |
| [20:34:01] | Beirdo: | I'm aiming at quad-core i5 or so |
| [20:34:13] | Beirdo: | which is a bit above the $300 range all in |
| [20:34:18] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: Yes, just one of the hundreds of uPnP players |
| [20:34:21] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: last I checked I was going that direciton for my next desktop, but postponed that till next year |
| [20:34:28] | iamlindoro: | all more or less built on the same hardware, too |
| [20:34:35] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Know if its any good ? |
| [20:34:38] | kormoc: | skd5aner, I'm extremely happy with a mac mini as my MBE/FE |
| [20:34:56] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: As good as any of the 100-odd other players built on the same hardware with the same codec and container support, I guess |
| [20:35:08] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, but with commflag done elsewhere :) |
| [20:35:08] | iamlindoro: | ie, it's probably fine if all you care about is playing some static files from a samba share or uPnP |
| [20:35:14] | high-rez: | I read it does "full 1080p" – i assume h264 video is being referred to... For $55 it seems like an interesting alternative to a frontend.. |
| [20:35:33] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I do need a FE for a guest bedroom I just put a 40" LED TV in, SFF would be prefered and was thinking about researching the minis for that |
| [20:35:43] | wagnerrp: | i need to put something in this initrd that if it fails to connect over iscsi, reboot and try again |
| [20:35:48] | Beirdo: | would be pretty |
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| [20:35:51] | gavinp: | Hrm. |
| [20:35:54] | wagnerrp: | i swear there must be something funky in this network card |
| [20:35:59] | iamlindoro: | If all you consider a frontend to be is a player on top of a static directory tree, with no metadata, then sure-- but it's far from what most of us consider a frontend to actually be |
| [20:36:00] | gavinp: | I keep getting more of these severely truncated recordings from my HDHomeRun |
| [20:36:13] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt mount the root directory, i reboot it, everything is happy |
| [20:36:36] | Beirdo: | gavinp: bad signal quality? |
| [20:36:47] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: I'm thinking for my guest room where I have a cheap hdtv connected to an SD video source. :) Seems like for $50 it would be at least some functional :D |
| [20:36:50] | gavinp: | Beirdo: signal seems great! |
| [20:37:16] | Beirdo: | gavinp: does it look good/not glitchy on a TV directly tuned? |
| [20:37:18] | wagnerrp: | gavinp: were you the one i was explaining the library issues to earlier? |
| [20:37:24] | gavinp: | wagnerrp, yes, indeed |
| [20:37:36] | gavinp: | however, since i'm tracking mythbuntu 23.1, i didn't see how it was super applciable |
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| [20:37:46] | gavinp: | i pasted logs as well: it doesn't always happen when there's a concurrent recording |
| [20:37:49] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend --version' please |
| [20:37:51] | gavinp: | so i think i have something else |
| [20:37:53] | gavinp: | sure, sec |
| [20:38:04] | wagnerrp: | just need the revision number |
| [20:38:08] | gavinp: | 26231 |
| [20:38:16] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Though I should probably not be cheap and just put together a proper ION backend. Its kind of appealing though for the most low end tv in my home :) |
| [20:38:21] | wagnerrp: | that is new... shouldnt be a library issue then... |
| [20:38:50] | iamlindoro: | could be crashy backend, however |
| [20:39:05] | gavinp: | iamlindoro, what would i expect to see in logs then? |
| [20:39:20] | gavinp: | I am not seeing much! one sec, i'll pastebin a section around a problem |
| [20:39:40] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: i priced out some system in here for someone earlier, a mini-itx board with onboard graphics and fairly high clockrate i3 was equivalent in price to an ION board |
| [20:40:15] | wagnerrp: | you could probably do better with an AMD chip and nvidia board |
| [20:40:57] | gavinp: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1939987 |
| [20:41:06] | gavinp: | The "Thomas and Friends" |
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| [20:41:12] | gavinp: | Slips and Trips |
| [20:41:19] | gavinp: | is getting the truncation treatment |
| [20:42:10] | gavinp: | on disk, the recording is about 13s long. |
| [20:42:35] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Yeah. I probably should do some research here. My biggest problem with mini-itx is it seems the cases are always overpriced. |
| [20:43:03] | wagnerrp: | oof... mysql updated, and broke qt support |
| [20:43:22] | iamlindoro: | gavinp: IS there any sort of wireless connection between the BE/HDHomeRun? |
| [20:43:32] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Any idea what type of price you were able to get for a full syste? :) |
| [20:43:45] | high-rez: | erps, system |
| [20:43:50] | gavinp: | iamlindoro, no, they are both connected to the same gigE |
| [20:43:59] | wagnerrp: | it was $180 for board plus processor, toss in another $50 for each of memory, case and PSU |
| [20:44:09] | iamlindoro: | gavinp: Not sure, then-- I would initially suspect netowrk or hardware issues |
| [20:44:14] | gavinp: | iamlindoro: i was working quite well in 0.22-release before an upgrade to lucid on both machines... |
| [20:44:22] | gavinp: | ok, the coincidence is a problem |
| [20:44:35] | iamlindoro: | the lib found in .23+ is more strict about network issues |
| [20:45:00] | iamlindoro: | "The newer version of libhdhomerun enforces the communication timeout of 2 seconds. The older version of the library requested a 2 second timeout but we found many operating systems ignored this." |
| [20:45:16] | iamlindoro: | That being from SiliconDust themselves, and referring to the version of libhdhomerun found in .23 and greater |
| [20:45:18] | high-rez: | The zotac zbox for $240 + 40 in ram is maybe a bit cheaper. Not sure how the ion2 platform really works thoguh |
| [20:46:14] | gavinp: | iamlindoro, interesting. so nothing else in the log stands out to you? |
| [20:46:29] | ** high-rez goes on a qwest to build the cheapest possible mini-itx system ** | |
| [20:46:30] | iamlindoro: | No, the log is consistent with what one would see when losing contact with the recorder, however |
| [20:46:35] | Baylink: | wagnerrp: If "rip" is inherently illegal, justify Apple's "Rip, Mix, Burn" ads? ;-) |
| [20:46:58] | Beirdo: | or Apple's "Rip off the customer" pricing? |
| [20:47:00] | gavinp: | iamlindoro, interesting. So perhaps I'll try swapping cables around, that kind of thing. |
| [20:47:07] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: 'rip' isnt, but 'rip' mixed with 'download' and 'internet' is |
| [20:47:24] | Baylink: | Well, the assertion was made. :-) |
| [20:47:27] | gavinp: | iamlindoro, and of course, your theory is consistant with the seemingly stochastic nature of this problem |
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| [20:47:41] | gavinp: | however, what seems inconsistant to me is that it always occurs at the first 5 seconds |
| [20:47:46] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: he said he downloaded rips off the internet, and later tried to recant that and only claim to have 'legal videos' |
| [20:47:46] | gavinp: | records either complete, or only go 5 seconds. |
| [20:47:59] | Baylink: | I read what he said, yes. |
| [20:48:08] | gavinp: | So I have turned on barriers locally |
| [20:48:10] | gavinp: | perhaps that's it |
| [20:49:04] | Baylink: | Y'know, Beirdo, my problem's not with the pricing. It's with production middleman organizations going way way, far way out of their way to make the exercise of Fair Use somewhere between really impractical, and impossible. |
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| [20:49:38] | Baylink: | But then, I'd be happy if copyright could be extended indefinitely... with the payment of a $100 renewal fee every 5 years. |
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| [20:49:46] | gavinp: | iamlindoro: I have just remounted, sans barriers. do you think I'm crazy, or is this reasonable? |
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| [20:50:11] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: dont worry, we'll be extending copyright again here in about 10 years |
| [20:50:49] | Baylink: | Hope not. It's that "renew ever 5 years" part that is critical. |
| [20:51:04] | Baylink: | If it's making you money, pay the C-note. If it's not, wave bye bye to it. |
| [20:51:23] | wagnerrp: | how is it possible my gentoo boxes register qt is not installed? |
| [20:51:36] | Baylink: | Would you believe I had the unmitigated balls to try to advocate that regime to *Robert Heinlein's literary agent* at NASfic this year? |
| [20:51:46] | Baylink: | I don't think she's speaking to me anymore. |
| [20:52:02] | wagnerrp: | i installed qt4.6 in march |
| [20:52:27] | sphery: | Baylink: or graduated fee that increases over time |
| [20:52:39] | gavinp: | even just $1 would be fine |
| [20:52:50] | high-rez: | Man, I can't believe how the zotac mag hasn't really reduced in price much |
| [20:53:36] | Baylink: | Maybe, but $100 per renewal every 5 years is trivial in commercial terms, but enough to avoid trivial renewals, and would pay for the machinery. |
| [20:53:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, different slot? |
| [20:53:50] | Baylink: | And there would be some entertaining flameouts. |
| [20:53:57] | wagnerrp: | nope, its 'N', not 'NS' |
| [20:54:06] | Baylink: | "Whaddya mean, we didn't renew on Terminator??" |
| [20:54:20] | gavinp: | This is a really complicated problem for Google Books |
| [20:54:41] | gavinp: | Once you've scanned a book, how do you figure out if it's copyrighted, or not? |
| [20:55:06] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: actually, the packages emerge claims is missing do not show up in genlop |
| [20:55:18] | kormoc: | weird |
| [20:55:42] | high-rez: | hmm |
| [20:55:50] | wagnerrp: | do i try to rebuilt qt? or just revert? |
| [20:55:59] | kormoc: | I'd rebuild it |
| [20:56:16] | wagnerrp: | i mean i can revert my SBE in 5 minutes |
| [20:56:24] | wagnerrp: | ... reverting my MBE will take a bit longer |
| [20:56:28] | wagnerrp: | forgot to snapshot it before updating |
| [20:56:50] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Looks like foxconn makes an ion barebones for under $200 |
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| [20:58:29] | high-rez: | Man I really like the looks of it too. |
| [20:59:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre looking at $230 for a barebones amd system, $250 for the i3 system |
| [21:00:38] | wagnerrp: | toss in memory, and youre done |
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| [21:02:21] | wagnerrp: | scratch that, add $30 for the power brick, unless you can supply DC 12V otherwise |
| [21:04:06] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Power brick on what? the i3 system? This foxconn comes with the power brick for $199.99 |
| [21:04:34] | wagnerrp: | right, i was picking up one of these and a picopsu in the price http://www.logicsupply.com/products/m350 |
| [21:04:40] | wagnerrp: | but i forgot to add a power brick as well |
| [21:05:29] | high-rez: | Those picopsu's are cool |
| [21:05:57] | high-rez: | So on this node. I've for $40 for memory (a little less actuallt) $200 for the barebones, and $20 for an SDCard. |
| [21:06:06] | wagnerrp: | sd card? |
| [21:06:25] | high-rez: | Yeah, I guess I could skip it as it'll probably be able to PXEBoot |
| [21:07:03] | high-rez: | (my ionitx is able to pxeboot, i suspect thisprobably could too) |
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| [21:08:08] | high-rez: | So $240 is low. Probably not 'wife wont notice' low – but its low. |
| [21:08:27] | high-rez: | Ack, still have to add on $20 for MCEUSB IR receiver. |
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| [21:10:33] | high-rez: | Any opinions on the cheapest remote control solution? |
| [21:10:55] | Beirdo: | MCE USB |
| [21:11:05] | Beirdo: | been over that so many times... |
| [21:11:43] | high-rez: | Sorry – I'm on a quest for cheapness :) |
| [21:12:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: like the new "Digital Tuner Cards" format a lot-- should possibly be a !url keyword, even |
| [21:12:53] | achew22: | A ticket for "recorder refactor" (#8930) just got put up. Is there any documentation on what is going to be involved in that? I'd like to help with that. Who should I talk to? |
| [21:13:40] | wagnerrp: | achew22: off hand... dont know, but its a tracking ticket for the mythtv-rec branch |
| [21:13:46] | iamlindoro: | It's already in progress, in the mythtv-rec branch |
| [21:13:50] | wagnerrp: | that branch has been around for several months |
| [21:14:10] | achew22: | I wish I was better with SVN and I could just filter for that branch's commits |
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| [21:14:22] | wagnerrp: | you mean better with trac? |
| [21:14:30] | achew22: | can trac do that? |
| [21:14:55] | wagnerrp: | with svn, you just checkout that branch, and then when you update, it only updates that branch |
| [21:15:00] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing to get better with |
| [21:15:08] | wagnerrp: | trac != svn |
| [21:15:20] | high-rez: | svn > git |
| [21:15:21] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [21:15:26] | achew22: | dangerous |
| [21:16:01] | achew22: | the ministry of truth might come after you |
| [21:16:16] | achew22: | wagnerrp: okay, then I'll just checkout that branch and take a swing at it |
| [21:16:35] | iamlindoro: | achew22: What is it you propose to do? |
| [21:16:39] | high-rez: | Oh are we in Oceana ? |
| [21:17:00] | achew22: | high-rez: the way people get attacked over saying stuff like that it feels like it sometimes |
| [21:17:06] | Beirdo: | svn > git... sure if you count crappiness :0 |
| [21:17:24] | high-rez: | git and especially mercurial just make it so complicated to do anything |
| [21:17:30] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [21:17:35] | achew22: | iamlindoro: I wanted to get in and see if I could help with anything. I have been using myth forever and want to try to give something back |
| [21:17:41] | Beirdo: | I guess I did nothing all weekend then |
| [21:17:44] | kormoc: | achew22, browse to the branch/directory you want in trac's source browse mode and then hit "View Revisions" |
| [21:17:51] | high-rez: | Beirdo: I'm sure if git was so great you guys would have moved over already :D |
| [21:18:04] | Beirdo: | or will be in the future... |
| [21:18:08] | iamlindoro: | achew22: Not certain if that's the best place to start, as the primary goal is to add the two new recorders, and much of the refactoring daniel intended to do is done |
| [21:18:14] | high-rez: | Beirdo: :(( |
| [21:18:21] | Beirdo: | it's been discussed and we aren't quite ready to cut over |
| [21:18:24] | iamlindoro: | Or three new recorders, depending on who you believe |
| [21:18:28] | achew22: | iamlindoro: Oh, what are the new recorders? |
| [21:18:41] | iamlindoro: | ASI, OCUR, BDA |
| [21:18:43] | high-rez: | Isn't the git equiv of an svn up to write ppc machine code ? |
| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | hah hah hah |
| [21:19:22] | Beirdo: | anywasy... |
| [21:19:47] | high-rez: | dot dot dot |
| [21:19:56] | high-rez: | Beirdo: So whats the cheapest mceusb device you've found? :) |
| [21:20:09] | achew22: | iamlindoro: is OCUR the OpenCable thing? Isn't that optimistic since ATI/CableLabs will probably never deliver a device that is Linux compatible? |
| [21:20:20] | Beirdo: | I wasn't looking for cheapest... but you can get them around $25 on amazon |
| [21:20:21] | high-rez: | I've got an itch to get my tv working in the guest room :D |
| [21:20:34] | iamlindoro: | achew22: OCUR is cablecard, and there is already linux compatible hardware, and hardware in myth dev hands |
| [21:20:44] | achew22: | really?! |
| [21:20:54] | iamlindoro: | yes-- though don't expect that you will get all your channels |
| [21:20:59] | iamlindoro: | only those marked copy free |
| [21:21:01] | achew22: | That is SUPER exciting! |
| [21:21:16] | iamlindoro: | see above |
| [21:21:34] | achew22: | I don't care it at least is better than the current encrypted channels (I hope) |
| [21:21:42] | iamlindoro: | Some places yes, some places no |
| [21:22:07] | achew22: | BDA = Broadcast driver architecture? |
| [21:22:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [21:22:32] | wagnerrp: | ASI? |
| [21:22:42] | achew22: | I couldn't find ASI either |
| [21:22:58] | wagnerrp: | that for OSX? |
| [21:22:59] | iamlindoro: | ASI is a streaming format used by sat receivers found in headends |
| [21:23:00] | high-rez: | Its amazing how cablecard has been turned from something consumer friendly (no need to rent a STB, works across lots of hardware / vendors) into something inherently consumer unfriendly (drm, can only record/tivo the stuff we want you to) |
| [21:23:16] | achew22: | is it the async serial interface? |
| [21:23:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, the compressed mpeg interconnect stuff |
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| [21:24:18] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Looks like you can get mceusb devices (real ones, not that emulates keyboard stuff) for like $14 on ebay. Not too bad. |
| [21:24:26] | achew22: | are there any plans to make a recording device that is able to pull from an RSS feed? |
| [21:24:46] | iamlindoro: | That wouldn't be the role of a recording device |
| [21:24:54] | achew22: | where would that go? |
| [21:24:54] | wagnerrp: | recording devices are intended for broadcasts only, something time specific |
| [21:24:55] | Beirdo: | $14 + how much for shipping :) |
| [21:25:04] | wagnerrp: | on demand rss feeds can be handled by mythnetvision |
| [21:25:09] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Free shipping |
| [21:25:14] | iamlindoro: | you can use Mirobridge to import RSS feeds into recordings, and ultimately teh rest of that will be done by MythNetvision as well |
| [21:25:19] | Beirdo: | there ya go |
| [21:25:35] | achew22: | does MythNetvision put it in with your recorded programs? |
| [21:25:40] | high-rez: | The cheap in me says too much stuff, but at least I have a starting point. I can get a frontend for $254 complete. |
| [21:25:47] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [21:25:49] | iamlindoro: | it will eventually |
| [21:25:55] | iamlindoro: | Mirobridge does right now, however |
| [21:26:01] | justinh: | high-rez: it's not really amazing at all IMHO. IPTV will go the same way too |
| [21:26:07] | high-rez: | *I'd* really like to see a recording device that records RTSP streams. :) |
| [21:26:20] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: already have one of those |
| [21:26:20] | Beirdo: | get coding |
| [21:26:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:26:31] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Oh ? |
| [21:26:46] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you're no fun :) |
| [21:26:57] | ** high-rez is lost ** | |
| [21:27:06] | achew22: | Yeah, I had mirobridge set up and it doesn't really do it for me. It doesn't feel clean. |
| [21:28:20] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: ok, back up and running |
| [21:28:34] | wagnerrp: | whether it was bad data, or a since fixed issue with the scheduler, i cant say |
| [21:28:38] | wagnerrp: | but i no longer see the issue |
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| [21:28:47] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Explain to me – myth already does that as part of the IPTV implementation ? |
| [21:28:57] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I really think it was just really bad timing |
| [21:29:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv's IPTV implementation supports RTSP streams |
| [21:29:21] | wagnerrp: | over multicast, using an m3u playlist |
| [21:29:53] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: But you couldn't configure myth to say... rtsp://somehost/blah as a specific channel right ? |
| [21:30:28] | high-rez: | I played with the IPTV stuff once and maybe I'm just too clueless, but I could figure out how to get it to just point to a stream as a channel :) |
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| [21:31:51] | achew22: | high-rez: couldn't you make a m3u that points to rtsp://localhost/blah? |
| [21:32:55] | high-rez: | achew22: I suppose I could. I gotta look into this again. |
| [21:33:07] | high-rez: | There's some international channels I'm interested in that have decent rtsp feeds |
| [21:34:17] | achew22: | iamlindoro: Did the devs get one of the ceton cards or did they get a HDHomeRun Prime? |
| [21:34:38] | iamlindoro: | HDHomeRun Prime is already supported with the normal HDHomeRun tuner type |
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| [21:35:28] | achew22: | That news is even better |
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| [21:36:11] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: That is if a program is marked as free, the hdhr prime will just pass it through right ? |
| [21:36:21] | skd5aner: | good cpu? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103882 |
| [21:36:35] | skd5aner: | haven't googled yet, just looking based on quad core and price |
| [21:36:59] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: yes |
| [21:36:59] | high-rez: | probably good enough for the price. |
| [21:37:04] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: sure, but bluray is about the only thing youll be able to use a quad core for decoding with |
| [21:37:16] | wagnerrp: | unless you intend to run multiple simultaneous jobs |
| [21:37:23] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: this is MBE only, so only jobs |
| [21:37:29] | high-rez: | skd5aner: That's about what I paid for mt q6850 two years ago :D |
| [21:37:33] | skd5aner: | and other non-myth related stuff |
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| [21:38:18] | wagnerrp: | $100 for a q6850? |
| [21:38:57] | high-rez: | $50 |
| [21:39:00] | skd5aner: | commflagging, occasional transcode, and other backend related functions – I'm sure it's more than enough |
| [21:39:07] | high-rez: | (actually) |
| [21:39:36] | high-rez: | insanely good deal |
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| [21:42:16] | skd5aner: | hmmm 640 (3.0GHz) for $106 |
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| [21:46:08] | iamlindoro: | HA, SWEET, HDNet finally coming to my market |
| [21:46:26] | iamlindoro: | (We're one of the few who were supposed to get it "this spring" as of late last year) |
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| [21:47:28] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: problem is ive still got more than half the tuners to go through |
| [21:47:35] | wagnerrp: | (on the tuner card pages) |
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| [21:48:37] | achew22: | is my STB putting out on firewire the channels that are free-copy? |
| [21:48:41] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: wasn't that the network that got cancelled a few years ago? |
| [21:48:48] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: no |
| [21:49:06] | wagnerrp: | achew22: yes, you can only receive 'copy freely' shows over firewire |
| [21:49:14] | skd5aner: | oh, that was mojo |
| [21:49:24] | achew22: | wagnerrp: So that is a good way to figure out which channels will be tunable and which won't? |
| [21:49:41] | wagnerrp: | not certain, but probably yes |
| [21:49:57] | wagnerrp: | you can consider a HDHR Prime to replace three cableboxes over firewire |
| [21:50:38] | achew22: | Okay, that will be cheaper than renting 3 cableboxes |
| [21:51:00] | wagnerrp: | yes, but it will not replace analog capture off three cable boxes |
| [21:51:10] | wagnerrp: | so depending on what you get over firewire, it may be more or less useful |
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| [21:51:32] | achew22: | Yeah, I get the majority of my channels over firewire and I have a HDPVR set up to mop up the rest |
| [21:52:29] | high-rez: | Acceptance of this drm mediocrity makes me sad. :( |
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| [22:00:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | hey all, without using mythdora or the like.. is there a way of doing PXE boot for a myth frontend? |
| [22:03:46] | kisak: | sure |
| [22:04:07] | kisak: | I did a PXE boot with gentoo a couple years back |
| [22:04:18] | kisak: | for a FE |
| [22:05:27] | kisak: | you just need a kernel built that can run root over nfs iirc |
| [22:05:29] | kormoc: | darkdrgnk, PXE isn't tied to a distro |
| [22:05:38] | darkdrgn2k3: | kisak: ok maybe i should take a differnt angle at this. I have a FE with a 2 gig flash card in it... i wanna run TRUNK.. whats the best way to do it? |
| [22:05:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: true but you cant really install FEDORA (for example) to pxe boot by default... i have no idea how i'd even begin LOL |
| [22:06:07] | kormoc: | sure you can |
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| [22:06:40] | kisak: | just stick a leaf blower motor in the back of your car if you want to run trunk |
| [22:07:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | kisak: haha.. sure its not something to do with an elefent? |
| [22:08:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | ok differnt way |
| [22:09:02] | skd5aner: | hmmm, this looks like a decent board for a mbe/server: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128444 |
| [22:09:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | whats a decent rpm based distro to install on a flash card? |
| [22:09:07] | skd5aner: | 8 SATA ports |
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| [22:11:55] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, minimyth? |
| [22:12:12] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: looks not bad if you're going the AMD route, yeah |
| [22:13:25] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: but i want trunk :( |
| [22:13:47] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, so run trunk |
| [22:13:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: on minimyth? |
| [22:13:56] | kormoc: | distro and myth version are unrelated |
| [22:14:13] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: but can i complile trunk on minimyth |
| [22:14:13] | kisak: | you won't find any rpm-related recommendations from me, but in any case, you could use the flash card as a boot drive and mount / (root) from a server with more space via NFS, it's still a remote setup, but without the direct hassles of PXE booting, and you can have a heavier OS if you want |
| [22:14:52] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, yes |
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| [22:32:15] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, might as well – for a backend headless server, I think AMD will suffice plenty well |
| [22:32:25] | skd5aner: | for frontends and desktops, I'm a bit more picky |
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| [22:33:59] | skd5aner: | Also, kind of wanted something with onboard video, and surprisingly that cuts the list down a LOT |
| [22:34:23] | achew22: | skd5aner: why did you limit yourself like that? Are you building a microbox? |
| [22:34:45] | skd5aner: | I could put a card in, but doesn't really make sense to do that for something that essentially headless. It is hooked up to a KVM for maintenance purposes, but rarely use it |
| [22:34:49] | squidly: | anyone ever have an issue with an MVK not playing in myth but playing in Xine or mplayer? |
| [22:34:56] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: AND has PCI slots, that's a good thing |
| [22:35:50] | kenni: | skd5aner: You could also get a vPro-based board+CPU...I have no idea if AMD has an alternative, though |
| [22:35:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, HAVE to have that... I've got 3 PCI cards that need to go in it, actually have 4, but I can sacrafice one and replace with my second unused HDHR |
| [22:36:17] | skd5aner: | kenni: can you shoot me a link? not familiar |
| [22:36:36] | skd5aner: | also, I wanted at least 6, but preferrably 8 SATA ports onboard... I already have 5 SATA drives in there + 1 pata drive |
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| [22:37:55] | skd5aner: | so, criteria I filtered with was AMD (AM3), >=3 PCI slots, >=6 Sata ports, and onboard video – that leaves 3 boards on newegg |
| [22:38:29] | kenni: | skd5aner: hmm, I don't have one handy, but it's a combination of a CPU with integrated GPU and with management capabilities. The motherboard has it's own HTTP interface, from which you can turn the machine on and off... |
| [22:38:30] | achew22: | and you have a diesel power generator to power it? |
| [22:39:25] | kenni: | ...and you also have a full virtual KVM switch integrated, eg. you can go into BIOS or install an operating system over your LAN. |
| [22:39:48] | kenni: | or mount an iso from your desktop, and have your headless machine boot from it |
| [22:41:37] | kenni: | I switched over to a Core i5 system with vPro to get my power consumption down and it certainly did, compared to my Q6600 quad core system |
| [22:42:34] | kenni: | it's extremely nice with these management capabilities when you're running a headless machine |
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| [22:47:58] | kenni: | http://www.realvnc.com/products/viewerplus/index.html#videos |
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| [23:27:25] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: so i5 vs i7... i5 is a dumbed down version of i7 without hyperthreading? Is that a fair statement, or am I missing other major differences? |
| [23:28:27] | Beirdo: | looking at i5–700 series vs i7–800 series in particular |
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| [23:29:15] | wagnerrp: | no, there is no real difference |
| [23:29:35] | wagnerrp: | intel has so thoroughly distorted any differentiation you could have gotten from the different families |
| [23:29:39] | Beirdo: | ah, that's just one of the several differnces, I guess |
| [23:29:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:30:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, Intel's marketing is retarded these days |
| [23:30:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo... |
| [23:31:01] | skd5aner: | oops |
| [23:31:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the i5–7s and i7–8s are exactly the same silicon, with the latter having hyperthreading enabled |
| [23:31:09] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [23:31:14] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: there's a good link out there on anadtech that goes through the difference |
| [23:31:21] | wagnerrp: | and are higher clock speeds |
| [23:31:23] | Beirdo: | so for THOSE series at least, it's a fair statement :) |
| [23:31:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:31:29] | skd5aner: | I believe there are some i5's with HT too, but I could be wrong |
| [23:31:48] | wagnerrp: | the dual core i5s have hyperthreading, the quad cores do not |
| [23:31:57] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [23:32:04] | Beirdo: | well, I want Quad |
| [23:32:08] | wagnerrp: | the dual cores have graphics, the quads do not |
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| [23:32:20] | Beirdo: | if I were to do Dual, I'd do it only for the HD graphics |
| [23:32:22] | kisak: | in other words, i5's are i7's with features disabled either due to defects or quotas |
| [23:32:23] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: this article is starting to show some age, but has some good background in it: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2832/3 |
| [23:32:51] | wagnerrp: | kisak: no, the i5–7xx series are i7–8xx series with stuff disabled, for quota purposes only |
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| [23:33:12] | wagnerrp: | the i5–5xx are the same silicon as the i3–3xx series |
| [23:33:16] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: sorry, here's page 1 – http://www.anandtech.com/show/2832 |
| [23:33:41] | wagnerrp: | so there are three independent architectures, the 3/5s, the 7/8s, and the 9s |
| [23:33:52] | wagnerrp: | with all sorts of overlap between i3/i5/i7 |
| [23:34:01] | kisak: | there are i9's now? |
| [23:34:03] | skd5aner: | and as we can all see, the marketing on this stuff SUCKS! |
| [23:34:06] | wagnerrp: | no 9s |
| [23:34:09] | wagnerrp: | i7–9xx series |
| [23:34:13] | Beirdo: | k |
| [23:34:16] | kisak: | ok |
| [23:34:27] | wagnerrp: | and its all a huge clusterf--- |
| [23:34:30] | wagnerrp: | way to go intel |
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| [23:34:53] | Beirdo: | they learned something from AMD :) |
| [23:35:39] | kisak: | I like intel and AMD's mutual distruction pact |
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| [23:37:33] | high-rez: | Guys, is there a way to force myth to forget it recorded something? mythweb's forget old aint working :( |
| [23:37:56] | kisak: | on another note ... transcode deadlock, who else is affected regularly by this? |
| [23:38:28] | kisak: | high-rez: manage recordings -> previously recorded |
| [23:39:04] | high-rez: | kisak: I'm thinking like from mythweb ;) |
| [23:39:57] | wagnerrp: | only if its an exist recording, or in the guide |
| [23:40:37] | high-rez: | So I told myth to delete the recording (it was recording on the slave backend, and I can't watch it in flowbplayer if its on the slave – no nfs) |
| [23:41:04] | high-rez: | then rescheduled what was blocking on the master, and now I want it to start recording on the master, but it won't cause it says it was previously recorded :) |
| [23:41:27] | wagnerrp: | so you can go into the upcoming recordings page |
| [23:41:33] | wagnerrp: | check to disable the filters |
| [23:41:34] | high-rez: | And the forget old button in mythweb doesn't appear to do anything... |
| [23:41:36] | kisak: | can't you tell it to record anyway? |
| [23:41:38] | wagnerrp: | and issue an override |
| [23:41:40] | wagnerrp: | or delete old |
| [23:41:44] | high-rez: | hmm |
| [23:42:51] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: So it doesn't show in the upcoming recordings... |
| [23:43:08] | wagnerrp: | then you dont have a recording rule set for it |
| [23:43:12] | wagnerrp: | go to the guide |
| [23:43:15] | wagnerrp: | click the show |
| [23:43:18] | wagnerrp: | tell it to record |
| [23:43:25] | wagnerrp: | and add an override to force it to record |
| [23:43:28] | high-rez: | But I do. I have NFL football set to record at any time on NFLHD |
| [23:43:35] | high-rez: | hmm |
| [23:43:38] | high-rez: | ok |
| [23:43:51] | wagnerrp: | anything that matches a rule will show up on that page |
| [23:43:57] | high-rez: | GENIUS! |
| [23:43:58] | high-rez: | :) |
| [23:43:59] | wagnerrp: | if you check that you want to see them |
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| [23:45:47] | high-rez: | Hmm, erm, crap. nope. I did the override "record this specific showing" and now it shows green around the recording but it still isn't recording. hmmf |
| [23:48:21] | high-rez: | hah. 'jump livetv' then 'key nnn' then 'key r' did the trick :) |
| [23:49:26] | kisak: | this just re-enforced one of beliefs, that the problems which I as for help with are always harder than the trouble around me |
| [23:49:36] | kisak: | *my beliefs |
| [23:49:55] | kisak: | aka why is the wall so hard? |
| [23:50:03] | high-rez: | huh? |
| [23:50:04] | high-rez: | ;) |
| [23:51:19] | kisak: | my remove commercials script fails for 90% of shows captured with firewire, with error 232 deadlock detected |
| [23:51:47] | wagnerrp: | kisak: most of the digital stuff i record, i commflag, confirm, losslessly transcode, and shuffle over to mythvideo |
| [23:52:07] | wagnerrp: | thats all recorded over QAM, using an HVR-1250 and an HDHR |
| [23:52:21] | high-rez: | Gah, gerr, mmm :( |
| [23:52:22] | wagnerrp: | id say less than 5% of stuff i have trouble with |
| [23:52:40] | kisak: | the stuff I catch from the HDHR is fine |
| [23:52:52] | kormoc: | deadlock detected? |
| [23:52:56] | kormoc: | your database deadlocks? |
| [23:53:06] | kisak: | no, mythtranscode |
| [23:53:07] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtranscode and/or mythcommflag |
| [23:53:18] | wagnerrp: | hits a fault in the video it cannot handle, and deadlocks |
| [23:53:20] | kormoc: | what's it deadlocking on? |
| [23:53:26] | kormoc: | mine just skips |
| [23:53:40] | wagnerrp: | kisak: can you reliably reproduce the deadlock? |
| [23:53:44] | kormoc: | spews ERROR DECODING FRAME for a bit and then continues on happily |
| [23:53:44] | kisak: | mythcommflag is fine |
| [23:53:48] | kisak: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [23:53:52] | wagnerrp: | in the same place? |
| [23:54:30] | wagnerrp: | if so, dd a chunk out of the file, surrounding the bad block |
| [23:54:35] | wagnerrp: | and post it somewhere for review |
| [23:54:36] | Beirdo: | http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixco . . . t-reviewed/6 |
| [23:54:43] | wagnerrp: | there should be an open ticket for that stuff |
| [23:54:46] | kisak: | well, I dunno, I have not done any of the transcoding manually |
| [23:54:48] | Beirdo: | OK, that one's kinda helpful |
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| [23:55:28] | high-rez: | Gahh grr, hmm. flowplayer has always been hit and miss for me. Is there a general explanation for the URL not found errors ? |
| [23:55:49] | high-rez: | '200 Stream Not Found' |
| [23:55:58] | kisak: | high-rez: check apache's errorlog |
| [23:56:34] | kisak: | (assuming you're using apache of course) |
| [23:56:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: surprising that the quad i7 bests the hex phenom on x264 |
| [23:56:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, I was thinking the same thing |
| [23:56:52] | wagnerrp: | and even the hex i7 doesnt improve that much |
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| [23:57:09] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if its hitting some memory or other resource bottleneck |
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| [23:57:16] | Beirdo: | I expect so |
| [23:57:39] | Beirdo: | so I think a quad i5/i7 would put me right on the relative sweet spot |
| [23:57:51] | high-rez: | interesting. cgid is dying |
| [23:58:05] | wagnerrp: | since x264 encoding should scale almost linearly with encoding threads, all other aspects removed |
| [23:58:08] | Beirdo: | the i7 would potentially have a touch more oomph for remaining tasks using the HT |
| [23:58:09] | high-rez: | why i have no idea. |
| [23:58:22] | wagnerrp: | each encoding thread encodes its own independent domain |
| [23:58:42] | Beirdo: | most of my use is software decode, but I expect it would kinda mirror the encode |
| [23:58:53] | Beirdo: | commflagging being decode ; |
| [23:58:54] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:58:59] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: cgid? what are you using that for? |
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| [23:59:27] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: No idea. Its the error message I get when flowplayer fails to work :D |
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