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[01:25:35] wagnerrp: this almost makes me want to bother running antivirus software... http://gizmodo.com/5635127
[01:28:03] iamlindoro: I'd be a lot more scared of Rocky IV Lundgren
[01:28:54] iamlindoro: Modern Lundgren is just proof that Universal Soldier reanimation is all too real
[01:31:31] wagnerrp: and the alternative... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ryQ8N_Lv0
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[02:24:07] Beirdo: it was the heat of the moment
[02:24:47] Beirdo: yay for Asia concert footage
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[02:48:33] kormoc: wagnerrp, http://www.youtube.com/user/norton#p/c/DD8655 . . . /rdEQ8ahXu6U
[02:48:50] wagnerrp: that the 2010 version?
[02:49:05] kormoc: 2009
[02:49:17] wagnerrp: 2010 was caterpillar with laser eyes
[02:49:51] kormoc: oh nice
[02:50:07] wagnerrp: yeah, thats 2010
[02:50:12] wagnerrp: remember, its like cars
[02:50:18] wagnerrp: they release a year ahead of time
[02:50:23] wagnerrp: go figure...
[02:50:42] kormoc: I just like the 'The caterpillar in typical caterpillar fashion eats a leaf'
[02:50:47] Beirdo: sphery: still getting slow startup with innodb, BTW
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[02:53:42] sphery: Beirdo: :(
[02:53:59] Beirdo: and I'm not gonna chase it tonight
[02:54:24] Beirdo: I don't think it's the database, but rather some locking/race condition type of thing
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[02:55:44] Beirdo: 2010-09–10 19:55:18.464 VidOutVDPAU Error: IsErrored() in ProcessFrame
[02:55:44] Beirdo: 2010-09–10 19:55:18.467 Player(0), Error: AVSync: Unknown error in videoOutput,
[02:55:47] Beirdo: aborting playback.
[02:55:55] Beirdo: oh now what the heck is this crap
[02:58:37] Beirdo: it won't play anything.
[03:00:08] Beirdo: [2828942.783906] mythfrontend[4159]: segfault at 7f66f809b0d4 ip 00007f66e532ed10 sp 00007fffb78b6d80 error 4 in libvdpau_nvidia.so.195.36.24[7f66e5329000+8c000]
[03:00:16] Beirdo: not... impressed
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[03:14:01] Beirdo: 2010-09–10 20:12:19.767 VDPAU Error: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp:1486 (#25, Unknown)
[03:14:04] Beirdo: 2010-09–10 20:12:19.767 VDPAU Error: Failed to create VDPAU device.
[03:14:07] Beirdo: ummmm
[03:14:35] Beirdo: I think I'll be power cycling now
[03:21:18] Beirdo: oh thank GOD
[03:21:31] Beirdo: for a sec there I thought I fried the video card
[03:21:55] Beirdo: works fine after a power cycle.
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[03:43:38] sphery: /whois Beirdo\nircname: kormoc, Jr.
[03:44:18] Beirdo: heheh
[03:44:26] Beirdo: I was scared for a bit there, yeah
[03:44:53] Beirdo: and I don't want to try it again!
[03:45:12] Beirdo: It really didn't like that treatment
[04:24:05] high-rez: Hmmf
[04:24:29] high-rez: Is there a known memory leak in trunk ?
[04:25:08] wagnerrp: do you have evidence of a memory leak in trunk?
[04:27:33] high-rez: wagnerrp: Over time, mythfrontend keeps consuming more memory. I wasn't sure what it was till I added some swap...
[04:28:25] high-rez: I'm upto 619megs on mythfrontend – and it was quite a bit less yesterday...
[04:28:36] high-rez: (it appears linux is just swapping the unused bits)
[04:28:51] wagnerrp: did you seek through a lot of artwork in mythvideo?
[04:28:56] high-rez: Nope
[04:29:13] high-rez: Infact, i haven't used mythvideo at all. LiveTV/Recordings only.
[04:30:21] wagnerrp: what value is 619?
[04:30:37] high-rez: *blink* huh?
[04:30:42] high-rez: Oh
[04:30:50] wagnerrp: where do you see 619?
[04:31:28] high-rez: Virtual. 230 resident.
[04:31:42] wagnerrp: virtual is virtual, not used
[04:31:47] wagnerrp: youre only using 230MB of memory
[04:31:54] wagnerrp: plus whatever you have shared
[04:33:14] wagnerrp: if you actually look at the memory you have listed as 'used' in top, its probably less than the virtual usage of mythfrontend
[04:33:23] wagnerrp: total used, by the entire system
[04:34:42] Beirdo: grrrr
[04:34:51] Beirdo: PBB... "Loading....." nada
[04:36:12] Beirdo: backend went sideways there
[04:36:16] Beirdo: not my night
[04:36:44] high-rez: Hmm.. Yeah, I guess virt doesn't make sense – but resident memory does increase over time.
[04:38:12] iamlindoro: UDOTROUT
[04:38:13] ** Beirdo ups his threadpool from 5 to 20 **
[04:39:20] Beirdo: iamlindoro: any idea what closure code to use in #8889
[04:39:46] iamlindoro: Worksforme? That's what I use for unable to reproduce
[04:40:00] Beirdo: sounds as good as any
[04:40:06] Beirdo: we need a "Huh?" :)
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[04:43:55] achew22: is 0.24 in feature freeze?
[04:44:04] Beirdo: yes
[04:44:15] achew22: is that marked anywhere?
[04:44:33] Beirdo: yes
[04:44:44] Beirdo: devel mailing list
[04:45:00] achew22: Okay, I'll look the rest up
[04:45:19] Beirdo: Sept 6 email from Chris Pinkham
[04:45:25] achew22: thank you
[04:45:40] Beirdo: de nada
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[04:57:44] achew22: there is a bug squashing party tomorrow, huh?
[04:58:10] wagnerrp: hey, theyre selling an ION system on woot for $60
[04:58:16] wagnerrp: only good for the next couple minutes
[05:00:39] sphery: wagnerrp: heh, does it make a good frontend?
[05:01:01] wagnerrp: yeah, but its limited in what it supports playing
[05:01:16] sphery: yeah, can't expect a lot out of an ion like that
[05:02:12] achew22: what was it?
[05:02:53] wagnerrp: http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=14180
[05:04:10] achew22: am I missing something? Is that vinyl table a ion computer?
[05:04:48] wagnerrp: woosh
[05:05:43] achew22: Ah
[05:07:19] wagnerrp: every time someone finds a new ION system, they ask in here or on the mailing list, or they cry up to the stars... 'will this make a good mythtv system?'
[05:08:24] achew22: clearly that would be awful since it has no video output. the joke is that it probably would be worthless to myth (although it might be a really crazy awesome hack). I get it (I hope)
[05:08:58] wagnerrp: its a RECORD PLAYER
[05:09:12] wagnerrp: it doesnt run linux, it doesnt play video, it just records off vinyl
[05:09:14] achew22: exactly, it would require a crazy hack
[05:09:18] wagnerrp: but its an ION... so its good for mythtv
[05:11:10] wagnerrp: it wouldnt be a crazy hack either, it would be writing a linux drive, and adding a bit of code to mythmusic to allow ripping off of it
[05:12:05] achew22: to add video out, it would
[05:18:25] wagnerrp: as much of a hack as people putting PCs running MAME inside old NES cases
[05:18:34] sphery: heh, I had a Nova episode that I wasn't interested in watching, so I've kept it for about 2 years. Decided I'd put it on in the background while doing some patching, and found out it was a rerun of one I'd seen, but with the wrong listings info (station changed which aired).
[05:18:54] wagnerrp: oh look, i hacked my NES to run atari games
[05:19:07] sphery: So 2 yrs keeping something for no reason (and I had to delete and allow re-record, so I may end up getting it again later)
[05:19:11] wagnerrp: bathe in my l33t r4dn355
[05:19:47] sphery: you mean "l33t rn4dn355"
[05:20:05] sphery: (your "m" was missing a hump :)
[05:20:20] wagnerrp: m?
[05:20:26] sphery: in madness
[05:20:27] wagnerrp: oh, madness
[05:20:30] sphery: yeah
[05:20:33] wagnerrp: no, i was going for radness
[05:20:44] sphery: yeah, see, that just doesn't fit :)
[05:20:59] sphery: atari on NES is madness
[05:23:52] wagnerrp: would you rather it emulate your master system?
[05:28:31] sphery: master system?
[05:29:08] wagnerrp: original sega
[05:30:11] sphery: ohhh... I don't know my vintage consoles
[05:30:18] sphery: (My XB360 is my first)
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[07:47:59] Beirdo: fun night of bug squashage
[07:48:39] Beirdo: one more compile, then bed
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[08:30:29] Gibby: is this a blaster also? http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Media-Center-Ke . . . em23096fe4ee
[08:31:39] kormoc: likely
[08:32:10] Gibby: guess i will order jsut 1 first
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[08:32:33] kormoc: mine is that model (I believe) and it has dual transmitters
[08:32:42] kormoc: only way to know is to see the back of it
[08:33:09] Gibby: well i just ordered my first true front end and i need a ir receiver, now just to pick out a remote
[08:33:43] kormoc: not every remote will work with that receiver (if it's the same as mine)
[08:34:06] Gibby: ah ok, any reason not to get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173004
[08:34:25] kormoc: I don't like ion platforms
[08:34:38] kormoc: they're too costly if you want an optical drive and don't have much cpu power at all
[08:35:07] Gibby: nope, don
[08:35:17] Gibby: don't need an optical drive and i am using diskless also
[08:35:25] Gibby: what do you use?
[08:35:46] kormoc: I use a mac mini and highly recommend it
[08:36:19] kormoc: gonna get another one soon
[08:37:20] Gibby: hmm mac mini... hmmm can i boot a mythbuntu image to it?
[08:37:39] kormoc: I'd imagine so
[08:38:38] Gibby: hmmm, i tink i am going to get this remote http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-MCE-Remote-Cont . . . em255ac97d1b
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[09:48:04] lapion: Hi
[09:49:04] lapion: I cannot enter a filename for import existing scan in the scan-configuration screen
[09:56:48] dustybin: i thought mac minis didnt have enough video RAM for vdpau to work properly?
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[10:56:37] messerting: Hi, I've got about 1TB worth of TV-recordings that I would like to keep. They stem from 0.21 and 0.22, and include several db updates.
[10:57:00] messerting: Now, at 0.23 (from svn) it seems my db is somewhat corrupt.
[10:57:39] messerting: Is there a way I start out with a clean db, and then import the old recordings?
[10:58:16] messerting: I know there is this mytharchive, but I don't think I've got 1TB of free space anywhere...
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[13:00:39] cesman: messerting: can you not repair the db?
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[14:16:56] justinh: messerting: I was in the unfortunate position of having a mangled / partition a few months ago. the database was pretty much borked beyond repair BUT I managed to recover the recorded, channel & a couple of other tables just fine on a different machine/install
[14:18:38] justinh: basically copied /var/lib/mysql to a new install, dumped the tables then inserted them over my most recent mythconverg db backup (the db backups were supposed to happen automagically every day but had been failing for ages)
[14:19:05] justinh: that's 'dumped the tables' meaning I used mysqldump :-)
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[16:31:51] messerting: justinh: ok, thanks. I'll try mysqldump and do a clean install of the distro. (using preupgrade to climb several releases isn't very smart (fedora))
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[17:05:18] Justin511: Hey can anyone help me get my tv tuner set up?
[17:06:13] Justin511: I have the Hauppauge PVR-1250 Model 1196
[17:06:39] wagnerrp: drivers should be included with a modern kernel
[17:06:43] wagnerrp: no firmware to set up
[17:06:48] wagnerrp: it should just show up in /dev/dvb
[17:06:49] Justin511: I don't know what that is sorry
[17:06:57] Justin511: I'm pretty new to this
[17:07:15] wagnerrp: add that adapter as a DVB card in mythtv-setup, and follow the rest of the documentation from there
[17:07:28] Justin511: Okay let me try that
[17:07:51] Justin511: What is a DVB card?
[17:08:03] wagnerrp: a card that uses the linux DVB API
[17:08:09] Justin511: Where is that option?
[17:08:18] wagnerrp: in mythtv-setup, card setup
[17:08:24] Justin511: Capture cards?
[17:08:31] Justin511: Video sources? Input connections?
[17:08:32] wagnerrp: sounds right
[17:08:35] wagnerrp: capture cards
[17:08:37] Justin511: K
[17:09:13] wagnerrp: do understand that card is digital only
[17:09:17] wagnerrp: dont expect to use it for analog
[17:09:21] Justin511: I don't know what that means
[17:09:28] Justin511: I have a Motorola set top box
[17:09:35] wagnerrp: wont work
[17:09:37] Justin511: It worked perfect in Windows Media Center
[17:09:47] Justin511: How should I set it up then
[17:09:54] wagnerrp: plug it directly into the cable line
[17:10:10] wagnerrp: you can receive whatever comes unencrypted from verizon
[17:10:10] Justin511: Why no box?
[17:10:20] wagnerrp: because that box outputs analog
[17:10:23] Justin511: Oh
[17:10:25] wagnerrp: and that card does not support analog capture
[17:10:34] Justin511: Why did it work in Windows then?
[17:10:55] wagnerrp: because hauppauge wrote the drivers for windows, which did support analog capture
[17:11:05] Justin511: Oh, whats better then?
[17:11:07] wagnerrp: the linux drivers are 3rd party, and only support digital
[17:11:15] Justin511: Digital sounds better
[17:11:33] wagnerrp: however you will only be able to receive those channels verizon broadcasts unencrypted
[17:11:45] Justin511: Oh, what would they be?
[17:12:13] wagnerrp: that depends entirely on verizon... see http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/
[17:12:29] Justin511: Ok
[17:12:50] Justin511: So even though I pay for a ton of channels on my regular Verizon FIos
[17:12:57] Justin511: I only get a few through this?
[17:13:23] wagnerrp: you can only get those that are unencrypted
[17:13:30] wagnerrp: that may be few, that may be many
[17:13:38] wagnerrp: it varies from area to area
[17:13:38] Justin511: Okay I guess I will find out
[17:13:51] Justin511: So I unplug my box and plug the coaxial right into my PC
[17:13:56] wagnerrp: correct
[17:14:13] wagnerrp: if you want to record off the STB, you will need a card that supports analog on linux
[17:14:16] Justin511: Would it be TV/Cable Ant or DTV Ant
[17:14:22] wagnerrp: and preferably one that does mpeg encoding
[17:14:26] Justin511: or S-Video
[17:14:43] Justin511: Oh okay, I don't watch enough TV to be buying another card, it came with PC lol
[17:15:04] Justin511: Right now its in TV/Cable Ant for when I used windows
[17:15:08] Justin511: do I keep it there or move to DTV Ant
[17:15:12] wagnerrp: there is only one coaxial input on that card
[17:15:22] Justin511: ?
[17:15:30] Justin511: Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196 (rev 0f)
[17:15:51] wagnerrp: yep, looking at the picture right now
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[17:15:55] wagnerrp: and i have one in my basement
[17:15:58] Justin511: Can I see the pic?
[17:16:05] wagnerrp: http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1250.html
[17:16:19] Justin511: Werid thats not it
[17:16:25] Justin511: Plus my IR Inputs are at the bottom
[17:16:31] Justin511: Of my PC
[17:16:42] wagnerrp: then you must have the MCE version, which is not a model 1196
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[17:16:50] Justin511: The what?
[17:17:24] Justin511: When I did that thing to find parts thats what came up
[17:17:27] wagnerrp: no, that still only has one coaxial input
[17:17:48] Justin511: Here I will copy and paste the output
[17:17:50] Justin511: *-multimedia
[17:17:50] Justin511: description: Multimedia video controller
[17:17:50] Justin511: product: Hauppauge Inc. HDPVR-1250 model 1196
[17:17:50] Justin511: vendor: Conexant Systems, Inc.
[17:17:50] Justin511: physical id: 0
[17:17:51] Justin511: bus info: pci@0000:04:00.0
[17:17:51] Justin511: version: 0f
[17:17:52] Justin511: width: 64 bits
[17:17:52] Justin511: clock: 33MHz
[17:17:53] Justin511: capabilities: pciexpress pm vpd msi bus_master cap_list
[17:17:53] Justin511: configuration: driver=cx23885 latency=0
[17:17:54] Justin511: resources: irq:17 memory:fe800000-fe9fffff
[17:18:06] wagnerrp: do not paste more than 2 lines in here at a time
[17:18:11] Justin511: Sorry
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[17:18:22] Justin511: But thats the output
[17:18:43] wagnerrp: hahah
[17:18:47] wagnerrp: an HDPVR-1250?
[17:18:50] wagnerrp: theres no such thing
[17:18:57] Justin511: :S
[17:19:05] Justin511: It came built into the PC
[17:19:12] Justin511: would it help if I showed you the PC
[17:19:17] Justin511: I have the link where I bought it
[17:19:19] wagnerrp: the 'HDPVR' is a USB-attached component capture box
[17:19:32] wagnerrp: it is not a tuner, nor does it have a cx23885 chip
[17:19:42] Justin511: Its not USB
[17:20:02] Justin511: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13845_3-10144225-58.html
[17:20:04] Justin511: Thats where I got it
[17:20:11] Justin511: Altho I have upgraded it since
[17:20:59] Justin511: NTSC TV tuner, over-the-air ATSC high-definition Digital TV tuner, and FM tunerHP Media Center remote control with IR (infrared) receiver
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[17:21:48] Justin511: wagnerrp?
[17:22:52] wagnerrp: that actually looks more like this unit... http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800mckit.html
[17:23:08] Justin511: yeah
[17:23:11] wagnerrp: based off the back of the card seen here... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . %2c83-107-70
[17:23:12] wagnerrp: 5–08.jpg%2c83-107-705–18.jpg%2c83-107-705–19.jpg%2c83-107-705& ndash;20.jpg%2c83-107-705–21.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Ite m=N82E16883107705&Depa=0&Description=HP%20Pavilion%20M9350F%28KQ498AA%29 %20Phenom%20X4%209850%282.5GHz%29%206GB%20DDR2%20750GB%20NVIDIA%20GeForce%209800 %20GT%20Windows%20Vista%20Home%20Premium%2064-bit
[17:23:33] kormoc: jeeze
[17:23:37] Justin511: LOL
[17:23:45] Justin511: Didn't really work
[17:23:56] kormoc: you have to append both parts of the url together
[17:24:00] Justin511: But I'm looking at the pic
[17:24:05] Justin511: And its exactly the same I think
[17:24:24] wagnerrp: if you have an 1800, then you do have an mpeg encoder, and that card can be used for analog capture
[17:24:37] Justin511: Well how would I check to make sure
[17:24:41] Justin511: B/c it looks exactly the same
[17:24:43] wagnerrp: but there are some outstanding driver issues on that card that prevent mythtv from using analog capture on it
[17:24:49] Justin511: Aw
[17:24:57] wagnerrp: to be honest, i would talk to the #linuxtv guys
[17:25:08] Justin511: Alright, thanks
[17:25:09] wagnerrp: there seems to be something funky going on with the detection of that card
[17:25:23] wagnerrp: as i mentioned, there is no such thing as a HDPVR-1250
[17:25:33] Justin511: Ha then somethings up with my PC
[17:25:39] wagnerrp: and it seems you dont have either an HDPVR or an HVR-1250 anyway
[17:25:47] Justin511: Guess not
[17:26:29] wagnerrp: anyway, on that card, you have separate analog and digital inputs, and an FM input
[17:26:42] Justin511: Yeah
[17:26:46] wagnerrp: you would want to use the one marked 'ATSC/QAM'
[17:26:52] Justin511: FM then TV/Cable then DTV
[17:27:00] Justin511: I have been using TV/Cable
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[17:29:23] Justin511: None of them say that
[17:29:34] Justin511: TV/Cable says TV in and DTV says Line in
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[17:32:47] Justin511: wagnerrp?
[17:33:10] Justin511: (01:30:30 PM) awalls: Check the hg repository at the kernellabs.com site for the cx23885-mpx patches
[17:37:43] Justin511: Anyone..?
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[17:41:25] kormoc: DTV (Digital TV) would be ATSC/QAM
[17:41:54] Justin511: Sorry..that means?
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[17:42:17] Justin511: I got to this page:
[17:42:18] Justin511: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obta . . . vice_Drivers
[17:42:22] Justin511: What do I do for Ubuntu?
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[17:43:32] Justin511: Oh I think I see
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[17:46:15] Justin511:  If you are using Ubuntu, before proceeding to build the modules, you will have to edit the file v4l/.config and change the line for the firedtv driver from "firedtv=m" to "firedtv=n". 
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[17:46:18] Justin511: Where is that file?
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[18:26:51] wagnerrp: !seen devinheitmueller
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[18:27:39] wagnerrp: ive been adding LinuxTV links to any tuner that i can find for them on the wiki
[18:27:56] wagnerrp: but as per http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /297130.html , im wondering if we should just dump the whole lot of 'em
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[18:41:02] sphery: dump as in get rid of all the pages and then just make one page that links to LinuxTV for all the cards?
[18:41:13] wagnerrp: yeah, something like that
[18:41:20] sphery: sounds good to me
[18:41:41] sphery: especially if there's no actual MythTV-specific content in the card pages
[18:42:06] sphery: maybe also link some of them to pages like the recording digital cable page for the HD-PVR and stuff?
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[18:46:59] wagnerrp: perhaps leave the general pages... types of tuner cards, tuner card manufacturers... just make the lists of links to linuxtv?
[18:47:14] sphery: that sounds good
[18:49:04] Justin511: Anyone know how to set up the Win TV-HVR-1850
[18:49:35] sphery: Justin511: you mean MythTV setup or system-level setup?
[18:49:54] Justin511: MythTV I think
[18:49:56] sphery: for system-level setup, you'd probably have better luck in a distro-specific channel and/or #linuxtv
[18:50:07] Justin511: I'm not sure, first time
[18:50:15] wagnerrp: for mythtv setup, just follow the directions for installing an ATSC tuner
[18:50:23] wagnerrp: does the card show up in /dev/dvb/ ?
[18:50:28] Justin511: Whats that?
[18:50:40] sphery: and the analog side of the 1850 doesn't work with MythtV, right?
[18:50:41] wagnerrp: a path
[18:50:48] wagnerrp: as far as i know, no
[18:51:01] Justin511: Well I have a settop box I was using with Windows
[18:51:01] wagnerrp: you are using linux, right?
[18:51:08] Justin511: Yes I'm on Ubuntu
[18:51:34] wagnerrp: so open a file browser or terminal, see if you have any devices in /dev/dvb
[18:51:56] sphery: Justin511: so, that means that only the digital tuner will work at this point until the analog driver is fixed. So you are getting your TV from over-the-air or from ClearQAM (unencrypted cable), right?
[18:52:03] sphery: unencrypted digital cable, that is
[18:52:13] Justin511: I am currently not getting any TV
[18:53:48] stuartm: I have no problem with dropping the tuner pages from the wiki
[18:53:51] wagnerrp: stuartm: basically, we've got all these pages that no one ever maintains
[18:53:56] Justin511: in dev/dbv all that shows up is adapter0
[18:54:06] wagnerrp: and most of our users dont even know the linuxtv wiki exists
[18:54:13] stuartm: completely agree
[18:55:10] sphery: would be nice if we could offer a cross-wiki search of linuxtv wiki
[18:55:22] sphery: don't know if that's possible
[18:55:40] wagnerrp: well im just going to replace the existing pages, with ones filled with links to the linuxtv wiki
[18:55:50] wagnerrp: a search for the card names would show up there
[18:56:39] sphery: that works
[18:57:45] sphery: and the more I think about it, the more I realize that wiki search is awful, so we're probably better off without it
[18:57:47] wagnerrp: do you know if weve got any mouseover popup code?
[18:58:04] wagnerrp: something that as they mouseover a tuner, it will popup an image
[18:58:13] wagnerrp: weve got all these images, might as well make use of them
[18:59:41] sphery: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Balloons ?
[18:59:46] sphery: don't konw if we have support for it
[18:59:47] wagnerrp: looking at that now
[19:00:01] sphery: looks like someone with the keys could add it
[19:00:04] wagnerrp: along with http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php? . . . over-onclick
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[19:02:21] sphery: Justin511: if you have /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 (and a few others), your drivers should be fine. Then, it's just making sure you have firmware installed (I assume that card needs firmware), then configuring the card as a DVB device in mythtv-setup.
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[19:09:57] wagnerrp: stuartm/kormoc: if you get some spare time in the next day or two, could you look into installing the Balloons and ConditionalTemplate extensions?
[19:10:25] kormoc: trac?
[19:10:48] stuartm: mediawiki I think
[19:10:49] wagnerrp: wiki
[19:10:56] kormoc: kk
[19:13:24] wagnerrp: thanks
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[19:17:54] larsson_: Test
[19:18:03] wagnerrp: Fail
[19:19:16] Justin511: Ty
[19:20:12] kormoc: larsson_, your test failed
[19:20:13] larsson_: I have a problem with scheduled recordings on my DVB-S card. It works to watch live but when starting a scheduled recording no file turns up even is mote thing look ok. every thing work on my other 2 DVB-T cards. Any ides?
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[19:30:31] Baylink: Any MythArchive gurus on this afternoon? Should we really expect it to take almost half an hour on startup to enumerate 2050 saved programs?
[19:31:30] Baylink: I infer some pathological data structures.
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[19:39:17] wagnerrp: 2050? sphery, id say hes got you beat
[19:39:45] wagnerrp: paul h: is the only person who has really done much with mytharchive
[19:39:51] wagnerrp: and i dont think hes touched it for years
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[19:49:14] Beirdo: must be something about Florida that causes hoarding of shows :)
[19:49:25] stuartm: at this point I'd describe mytharchive as a stalled project, if no-one shows interest in working on it then by 0.25 it will probably join mythphone, mythflix and mythmovies
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[19:51:49] sphery: wagnerrp: heh, yeah--I'm down to 1171, now.
[19:52:40] sphery: but I don't hoard... I watch and delete--only problem is I record faster than I watch
[19:52:50] sphery: :)
[19:54:28] Beirdo: hehe, yeah well
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[19:59:26] Beirdo: Wicked: your IPv6 likes beef too much... you should have c0:ffee in there
[20:00:49] Wicked: its whats for dinner
[20:00:50] Wicked: ;)
[20:01:43] sphery: heh
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[20:02:35] sid3windr: dead beef?
[20:02:50] Wicked: yea. but only from dead beef cafe
[20:03:01] stuartm: well you wouldn't want to eat it whilst it was still alive
[20:03:13] Wicked: some might....but not me
[20:03:24] thefRont: hey there
[20:03:41] Beirdo: moo
[20:04:49] thefRont: I'm updating my mythtv frontend to 0.23. as I'm still running ubuntu 8.04 I have to manually compile the sources. I only need the frontend because the backend is running on a different machine. unfortunatly I haven't found a way to tell the configure script to not compile the backend. Is there any way how to compile the frontend only?
[20:05:20] sid3windr: you can get dead beef from the cafe babe :)
[20:05:48] [R]: thefRont: no
[20:05:55] thefRont: :(
[20:05:57] [R]: thefRont: the backend isn't that big
[20:06:11] [R]: thefRont: like 20 files or so
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[20:06:27] thefRont: ok. I just thought maybe there is a way because ubuntu supplies split packages for front- and backend
[20:06:36] [R]: they build it all
[20:06:43] [R]: and then package the mythfrontend and the mythbackend binary
[20:06:51] thefRont: ok
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[20:07:28] thefRont: thanks [R] for the info
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[20:08:26] Beirdo: Aflac!
[20:08:43] stuarta: must be a strange breed of camel
[20:09:38] wagnerrp: how old is a GF5200? 2003? 2004?
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[20:10:23] wagnerrp: looks like 03
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[20:28:25] thefRont: huh? this is strange... just completed compiling the frontend
[20:29:10] thefRont: now when starting the frontend it says the backend is using protocol version 56 but the frontend only understands protocol version 23056
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[20:29:45] thefRont: backend is running on 0.23+fixes (default ubuntu 10.04 package) and frontend is running on 0.23.1
[20:30:06] stuarta: well now you don't want to do that
[20:30:13] stuarta: run the same version everywhere
[20:31:01] thefRont: so I have to compile 0.23.0+fixes frontend ad well...
[20:31:08] thefRont: well ok... back to the beginning
[20:31:13] thefRont: *hhhnggg*
[20:33:21] Jog: Has anyone else this problem with recordings not showing up in frontend but exists in mythweb: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . nread#unread
[20:33:34] bjd_: chaps, remind me – can i delete from mythvideo?
[20:33:44] bjd_: hitting D doesn't seem to do it
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[20:35:10] kormoc: bjd_, press I for info and then select delete
[20:35:12] Jog: theres a quickfix in the link, but it only helps if the FE and BE is not on the same computer. If they're on the same PC, the programs are still missing. I "lost" half my recordings this way
[20:36:16] bjd_: thats it, thanks kormoc
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[20:56:14] kenni: Jog: Hi Jog ;) what fix are you talking about?
[20:58:03] kenni: Jog: mtdean just removes a whitespace, that should work on your local system as well
[20:59:06] sphery: Jog: you're not Stefano?
[20:59:17] sphery: Jog: What listings provider are you using?
[21:00:30] sphery: Jog: we have a real fix in trunk in [26201], but it hasn't gone into 0.23-fixes, yet. I plan to backport it before long, though.
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[21:02:31] sphery: Jog: a generic fix for your (IMHO) corrupt listings data would be: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'UPDATE recorded SET title = TRIM(title);'
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[21:03:13] sphery: Jog: but the best approach is for someone to give us the name of the broken XMLTV grabber or point to MythTV EIT so we can fix the corruption at its source.
[21:03:22] Digdilem: is there any way to turn off the job queue completely, so no new jobs are created?
[21:03:48] wagnerrp: just dont have any recording rules set to automatically run them
[21:03:54] wagnerrp: and dont spawn new jobs yourself
[21:04:11] wagnerrp: or go through each backend and jobqueue you have running and deny it the right to run any tasks
[21:04:16] Digdilem: k, that'll be the default recording rule that needs editing then?
[21:04:32] wagnerrp: there is no 'default recording rule'
[21:04:45] wagnerrp: you set the commflag, transcode, and user jobs per-rule
[21:05:04] kenni: sphery: I guess it's one or more of the danish XML grabbers
[21:06:02] kenni: sphery: after Jog posted (I think he's a dane), I went and checked my own mythweb and found plenty of recordings, which didn't exist in the frontend
[21:08:09] thefRont: ok, now I installed mythtv-0.23.0-fixes and it still gives me the same error (backend protocol version 56 but frontend protocol only understands 23056)
[21:08:23] wagnerrp: thefRont: because youre running 0.23.1 on your frontend
[21:08:28] thefRont: nope
[21:08:31] wagnerrp: yep
[21:08:34] thefRont: I compiled 0.23.0 this time
[21:09:03] sphery: kenni: hmmm... I have to admit to having almost no knowledge of XMLTV stuff. Nick Morrott could probably point out whether it's a grabber issue or a MythTV issue, if you'd like to send a message to the -dev list with sufficient information for him to look into it. Thanks.
[21:09:17] kenni: sphery: wups, that was I lie, sorry...wrong backend
[21:09:25] sphery: heh
[21:09:36] sphery: well, when we do find out...
[21:09:37] sphery: :)
[21:09:42] kenni: sphery: :)
[21:10:08] thefRont: or let me rephrase the question. which version do I get when I checkout branch release-0-23-fixes from svn?
[21:10:14] wagnerrp: thefRont: 0.23.1
[21:10:21] kormoc: *currently
[21:10:23] thefRont: so how do I get 0.23.0-fixes?
[21:11:00] wagnerrp: pull from tags/release-0–23
[21:11:44] wagnerrp: or branches/release-0-23-fixes from any revision prior to 25364
[21:12:10] thefRont: ok
[21:12:17] thefRont: I'll pull tags/release-0–23
[21:12:30] wagnerrp: better to pull from -fixes
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[21:12:59] wagnerrp: just add a '-r 25363'
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[21:13:48] jarle: Trying to get my android phone to see mythtv through DLNA, anybody had success with that?
[21:14:06] thefRont: ok
[21:14:14] sphery: jarle: Beirdo is the man to talk to
[21:14:24] sphery: if nothing else, he may need some info from you
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[21:14:52] sphery: but if it's DLNA only (and not UPnP), it may be another story
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[21:15:40] thefRont: thanx wagnerrp
[21:16:25] jarle: The manual of the phone (Samsung Galaxy S) doesn't mention UPnP, only DNLA. It scans the network for media servers, but fails to find any.
[21:16:26] wagnerrp: whats the html comment? '<---'?
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[21:16:42] Beirdo: jarle: is it on the same LAN?
[21:16:54] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, <!-- comment -->
[21:16:59] jarle: Beirdo: yes
[21:17:07] Beirdo: I know that I put in a patch earlier that was specific to helping the Galaxy S
[21:17:14] Beirdo: what mythtv version?
[21:17:25] jarle: Beirdo: 0.23-fixes
[21:17:42] jarle: Beirdo: a month old or so..
[21:17:45] Beirdo: OK, I'm pretty sure the changes were only in trunk
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[21:18:10] darkdrgnk: hey all, any one know what a SA QAM MODULATOR D9476 does, i mean how does it recev the input mpeg stream?
[21:18:17] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: doesnt quite work as intended on the wiki
[21:18:21] Beirdo: in theory, it should work though, as far as I know
[21:18:38] iamlindoro: darkdrgnk, via ASI
[21:18:41] wagnerrp: darkdrgnk: it is streamed to it
[21:18:53] darkdrgnk: iamlindoro: how do you generate an ASI stream?
[21:18:56] darkdrgnk: iamlindoro: ie from a PC
[21:19:05] wagnerrp: with an expensive broadcast card
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[21:19:30] jarle: Beirdo: just truing to figure out if it is a network issue with packets not being received by the myth-server or not..
[21:19:31] wagnerrp: darkdrgnk: if you want to broadcast your own digital channels, your least expensive option is something like the ZeeVee
[21:19:37] iamlindoro: yes, with very very expensive headend equipment (or directly from an ASI satellite receiver, also very expensive)
[21:19:47] darkdrgnk: isnt ZeeVee like 1500 ?
[21:19:51] Beirdo: jarle: easily tested with tcpdump at the backend
[21:19:51] wagnerrp: http://www.zeevee.com/residential
[21:20:01] wagnerrp: darkdrgnk: there are $500 and $1000 models
[21:20:14] wagnerrp: and yes, that is your least expensive option for broadcasting HD
[21:20:19] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: good cause the last QAM modulator i found was 7500 :-P
[21:20:35] darkdrgnk: cool.. i dont see a point of investing in SD modulators...
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[21:21:07] darkdrgnk: where can i find prices for these dam things though LOL
[21:21:07] wagnerrp: unless you want to follow up the work of madman^H^H^H^H^H^Hffmpeg founder, and hack up your own digital modulator
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[21:21:37] wagnerrp: http://bellard.org/dvbt/
[21:21:45] kenni: Does anyone know why the setting for overriding the audio sampling rate, is called "audio sampling rate limit"? Why "limit"? As I understand it, the sampling rate is overridden with exactly 32000, 44100 or 48000, not up to one of these rates.
[21:21:50] wagnerrp: i offer you the best of luck, and a free straight jacket, with that approach... :)
[21:22:08] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: might be a nice educational angle but.......
[21:22:17] iamlindoro: kenni, likely because the first language of the person who wrote it is not English
[21:22:40] iamlindoro: and yes, your understanding of it is mine as well
[21:22:40] kenni: so you would also say that it's an error?
[21:22:42] iamlindoro: yes
[21:22:43] jarle: Beirdo: any hints on how to debug?
[21:23:05] ** stuarta suggests a hammer **
[21:23:24] iamlindoro: "audio sampling rate lock" or "force audio sampling rate" would be preferable, I believe
[21:23:28] Beirdo: if you want to see if the packets are getting to the backend, tcpdump -s0 -w output.pcap port 6544
[21:23:32] Beirdo: on the backend
[21:23:44] darkdrgnk: any one know whwere i can buy a zvbox
[21:23:58] wagnerrp: that link i gave you 20 lines up
[21:23:59] thefRont: I just checked out mythdroid. but it looks like it only works with mythtv up to 0.22
[21:24:01] thefRont: :(
[21:24:03] darkdrgnk: oops
[21:24:06] Beirdo: !url lmgtfy zvbox
[21:24:06] MythLogBot: lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=zvbox
[21:24:13] darkdrgnk: LMAO
[21:24:15] wagnerrp: thefRont: pretty sure mythdroid was only a remote control
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[21:24:35] thefRont: description says it can also be used to watch videos and recordings
[21:24:55] kenni: iamlindoro: thanks..I have one more on my list: "Most DVB-S transponders use QPSK, DVB-S2 8PSK QAM-16 is not available for DVB-S2 transports." – Is it meant to be something l
[21:24:58] kenni: ike "Most DVB-S transponders use QPSK, while DVB-S2 use 8PSK. QAM-16 is not available for DVB-S2 transports."?
[21:25:08] thefRont: but I'm sure recordings can only be watched if they are transcoded in a format, android phones can read
[21:25:30] iamlindoro: kenni, presumably-- "svn blame filename" would be helpful, then you can ask who wrote it.
[21:25:54] iamlindoro: (and see what revision number they committed it in)
[21:26:11] kenni: iamlindoro, thanks, I'll follow that approach
[21:26:15] jarle: Beirdo: "0 packets captured"
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[21:27:29] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: LOL seems the "build your own QAM" approach is actualy very simple compaired some of teh other hacks i tried ....
[21:27:53] wagnerrp: 'simple'... yes
[21:28:04] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: whats the catch :-P
[21:28:12] wagnerrp: i bow to your genius level intellect
[21:28:31] wagnerrp: it must be up there if you think thats simple
[21:28:38] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: LOL far from it.....
[21:28:44] wagnerrp: that, or you dont comprehend what is actually going on there
[21:28:45] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: i skimmed through it.. thast all
[21:29:28] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: i got the basic jist... you use the video card's DAC to create a QAM signal on chan 5.. u just have to convice the card to do so... which is where i assume the trick starts...
[21:29:50] sphery: especially if "simple" includes "possible at a (time and money) cost less than the cost of just buying the manufactured, high-volume products already on the market."
[21:29:53] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: and seeing that it was published in 2005 im assuming there will be driver conflics :-P
[21:29:59] thefRont: well, I'm going for the rss feed approach
[21:30:08] thefRont: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Android_RSS_Video_Feed
[21:30:11] thefRont: looks interesting
[21:30:28] wagnerrp: yes, you have to output a special video signal to modulate the DAC over a 8MHz bandwidth
[21:31:00] darkdrgnk: on the RED channel..
[21:31:10] wagnerrp: the mental aerobics and RF knowledge needed to hack together something like that is boggling
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[21:31:41] jarle: Beirdo: I notice that the phone will not respond to ping requests...
[21:31:50] darkdrgnk: LOL yeh i dont pretend that i could create this myself... LOL but hey if script kiddies can piggy back on others work :-P
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[21:32:42] wagnerrp: note that he only ever did static images with that
[21:32:51] wagnerrp: one image, specially encoded for MPEG output
[21:33:11] wagnerrp: there is a vast amount of work needed to provide an Xv or similar interface
[21:33:16] wagnerrp: and do on-the-fly encoding
[21:33:29] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: LOL yeh theres the catch 22 i didnt read LOL
[21:33:49] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: still.. very impressive.. wouldnt mind trying it just for the h3ll of it
[21:34:33] darkdrgnk: "The provided images have been computed so that the signal output to the DAC is a valid RF signal. " there we go...
[21:34:34] wagnerrp: id love to see something like that as an offshoot of the open video card project
[21:34:48] darkdrgnk: that be awsome
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[21:36:24] darkdrgnk: i guess to make this work one would have to run the output stream through the patched FFmpeg....
[21:36:25] wagnerrp: you could even rig it up to use a full QAM256 channel, and pump 38Mbps 1080p mpeg2
[21:36:50] darkdrgnk: lol
[21:36:52] darkdrgnk: "I am sorry to announce that the source code won't be available any time soon. "
[21:36:55] darkdrgnk: that was in 2005
[21:37:26] wagnerrp: although i dont know if most QAM decoders would be capable of handling a full bitrate stream, or a 1080p one for that matter
[21:37:57] wagnerrp: or similarly ATSC/16VSB
[21:38:08] ** darkdrgnk sights **
[21:38:17] sphery: my TV's ATSC encoder has issues with high-bitrate ATSC
[21:38:18] darkdrgnk: why dont they have any bloody prices for these zbboxes anywhere
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[21:38:31] sphery: er, decoder
[21:38:38] wagnerrp: darkdrgnk: $500 for the 'low end' one, $1000 for the bigger one
[21:38:57] darkdrgnk: whats the diff between the low and bigger one
[21:39:17] wagnerrp: $500
[21:39:26] darkdrgnk: no but whats the diff in functionality
[21:39:33] iamlindoro: It seems like reading the site should give you that info
[21:39:39] wagnerrp: i dont know, i saw the price tag and gave up this line of thought
[21:39:43] iamlindoro: rather than asking wagnerrp to read it for you
[21:40:00] darkdrgnk: yeh i guess so...
[21:40:12] kenni: iamlindoro: that blame argument is so nice... I wish I had known that years ago
[21:40:26] iamlindoro: kenni, Heh, "svn praise" is the same thing if you're a nice person ;)
[21:40:36] kenni: haha
[21:40:51] darkdrgnk: lol
[21:40:58] darkdrgnk: Zvbox 170 is 1,499.99 :-P
[21:41:15] Jog: kenni: the hotfix in the http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . nread#unread will make the frontend "remeber" lost recordings
[21:41:31] Jog: cat<< "EOF" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[21:41:31] Jog: UPDATE recorded SET title = 'REGENESIS'
[21:41:31] Jog: WHERE title = 'REGENESIS ';
[21:41:31] Jog: EOF
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[21:42:03] kenni: Jog: use the generic query sphery posted above
[21:42:39] darkdrgnk: 150 is 975.00  :-S
[21:43:01] sphery: Jog: and please provide the info I requested so we can fix the underlying bug that's causing you to get invalid data
[21:43:07] sphery: :)
[21:44:26] darkdrgnk: i guess one could do a PVR->Component->ZvBox->DVB-T Tuner->MythTV LoL
[21:44:35] kormoc: Jog, mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'UPDATE recorded SET title = TRIM(title)'
[21:44:48] wagnerrp: darkdrgnk: /why/ would you ever do that?
[21:44:54] kormoc: no need to complicate things
[21:44:56] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: to waste money LOL
[21:44:57] darkdrgnk: i know
[21:45:10] iamlindoro: You could if the ZeeVeeBox output DVB-T...
[21:45:21] kormoc: you'd still only get one channel
[21:45:24] kormoc: seems hardly worth it
[21:45:33] darkdrgnk: kormoc: i know and the dam PVR box i have doenst like INTRA RED!!!!!
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[21:45:49] wagnerrp: the only reason to want a digital modulator is to run video along existing distribution cables in your home or otherwise
[21:45:52] darkdrgnk: and you could do PVR->HD Fury(optional)->HDPVR->Myth ... lol
[21:46:00] Jog: will try fix now
[21:46:01] kormoc: darkdrgnk, so use serial/usb/firewire?
[21:46:04] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: which was the original gole
[21:46:14] darkdrgnk: kormoc: box doesnt have support for that
[21:46:22] wagnerrp: but to be honest, its cheaper and more capable to simply put boxes on each tv
[21:46:44] wagnerrp: and use adapters to provide network over the coaxial lines instead
[21:46:49] darkdrgnk: wagnerrp: my original goal was to broadcast zoneminder :)
[21:47:07] darkdrgnk: I have a bell pvr 9241 and it HATES infrared
[21:47:11] darkdrgnk: does RF well lol
[21:48:33] sphery: Jog: and please give us the info I requested where I posted that SQL kormoc repeated for you... We really need to fix the original corruption.
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[21:50:02] dlublink: I installed MythTV on my ubuntu ( apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop ), I changed the "internal" player for a bash script that calls mplayer. The trouble is that my script is called twice when starting a movie, but I don't know why. Why would the scirpt be called twice if I press play only once ?
[21:50:24] kormoc: dlublink, we don't support that setup at all
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[21:50:50] sphery: dlublink: why not use Internal player?
[21:50:52] wagnerrp: dlublink: why use a script to run mplayer, instead of just mplayer directly?
[21:51:31] dlublink: it passes myth://Videos@127.0.0.1:6543/Movies/mycoolmovie.avi as a parameter, but mplayer doesn't know what to do with the url
[21:51:37] dlublink: so I used the script to rewrite to a local path
[21:51:50] wagnerrp: your bash script doesnt provide a local path
[21:51:56] wagnerrp: because there is no local path to that video
[21:52:02] dlublink: yes
[21:52:05] wagnerrp: no
[21:52:13] wagnerrp: that video exists on machine 127.0.0.1
[21:52:14] dlublink: /var/lib/mythtv/videos/Movies/mycoolmovie.avi
[21:52:23] kenni: sphery: I'm chatting to him now, apparently it's from EIT
[21:52:29] kenni: with him
[21:52:39] wagnerrp: if you have a video exist on some other machine than localhost, it will not work
[21:52:45] dlublink: ok
[21:52:52] dlublink: so why doesn't mplayer understand myth:// ?
[21:52:57] wagnerrp: as neither your bash script, nor mplayer, will have file access to it
[21:53:06] sphery: kenni: ah, so we probably need a ticket for EIT to trimmed() or simplified() titles (and possibly other data). Thanks for working with him.
[21:53:09] wagnerrp: because the mplayer developers have not written support for it
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[21:54:07] wagnerrp: dlublink: mythvideo has moved from local storage to this new mechanism, to make it easier to run multiple systems on a single mythtv install
[21:54:11] iamlindoro: And to restate sphery's question, why use mplayer in the first place?
[21:54:17] wagnerrp: with the side effect that external players are no longer supported
[21:54:30] dlublink: ok
[21:54:44] dlublink: mplayer plays more formats that the internal player
[21:54:50] wagnerrp: no it doesnt
[21:54:53] dlublink: at least it does on my machine :O
[21:54:54] kormoc: that's not true
[21:54:56] dlublink: ok
[21:55:01] wagnerrp: mplayer and the internal player run the exact same decoding libraries
[21:55:04] kormoc: they both use libavcodec
[21:55:04] dlublink: and mplayer does frame drop
[21:55:16] dlublink: I gotta go get pizza
[21:55:17] wagnerrp: if you need to drop frames, you need to buy a faster processor
[21:55:20] dlublink: :P
[21:55:22] dlublink: Thanks :)
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[21:55:44] sphery: translation: That's not the answer I wanted.
[21:56:18] iamlindoro: I'm sure he'll turn up on some other forum explaining how upstream is "disfunctional"
[21:56:39] sphery: I can't wait for the stick figures
[21:56:41] kormoc: frame drop... awesome
[21:56:52] sphery: kormoc: he's probably using an Atom instead of a Mac Mini
[21:56:59] kormoc: "See! I can watch h264 1080i on this 8086! I just get one frame per hour!"
[21:57:05] sphery: lol
[21:57:40] sphery: OK, got that frame. Now time for a snack break. I think I'll make some baked Alaska while it works on the next frame.
[21:57:59] iamlindoro: Finally gonna finish War and Peace
[21:58:18] sphery: Who is Warren Peace, anyway?
[21:58:34] iamlindoro: Opposite of Warren Beatty
[21:58:47] sphery: Warren Peace (i.e. "War and Peace") is a pseudonym for Geoffrey Alexander MacCormack (also known as GA MacCormack and Mac Cormack), an English vocalist, composer and dancer best known for his work with David Bowie in the 1970s.
[21:58:51] sphery: wow... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Peace
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[22:00:19] sphery: and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405325/fullcredits#cast (Steven Strait plays character Warren Peace)
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[22:00:52] iamlindoro: kevink_, You are killing me
[22:00:59] Jog: sphery: i tried to fix, and its the same. My setup is an ion PC with frontend and backend running trunk version (mythbuntu) This is the one not showing half of the recordings. On another PC I'm only using frontend and mythweb and here I can see recording (probably first after aplying hotfix mentioned in link earlier. I lost connection to chat earlier so didn't see all comment. If you need more please resend
[22:02:13] sphery: Jog: and did you read the first link I sent in that thread – to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F ? Is yours a filter?
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[22:07:05] Jog: sphery: yes, read it and they're all checked
[22:08:10] Jog: sphery: recently recordings will disappear from the "all recordings" list seconds after I've seen it.
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[22:15:29] Jog: sphery: that is I can start the program from the list of recordings (this happens to both fully recorded and still recording programs) and when I stop it (usually when I've seen most of it, it will disappear from the list. I'm still able to find the .mpg or .nuv file in the relevant folder. Could it be anything to do with the two different file-types?
[22:17:10] kenni: sphery: what is the expected behaviour if you have an title which ends with a whitespace? You can schedule the recording, MythTV will record it, but it will _never_ show up in the recordings view – only in mythweb?
[22:17:15] sphery: Jog: that sounds a lot like you've disabled showing Watched recordings in the Watch Recordings screen
[22:17:51] sphery: kenni: we just put a fix in trunk that allows it to show up in mythfrontend/Watch Recordings. I have to backport that to 0.23-fixes, still, though.
[22:18:13] kenni: yep, but before that fix?
[22:18:55] sphery: if you had titles that matched except for whitespace, some of the recordings with that title wouldn't show up
[22:19:31] sphery: the problem wasn't the whitespace, per se, but the fact that otherwise-identical titles differed in whitespace
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[22:19:44] kenni: ahh
[22:20:44] sphery: Jog: in Watch Recordings, please hit MENU (M) (possibly twice), then "Change Group View", then make sure "Show Watched Programs" is enabled.
[22:21:12] sphery: Jog: also, it can be hard in some themes to tell whether it's enabled or not, so I recommend just toggling it and seeing if that makes it work properly.
[22:21:33] thefRont: hmm... something is not working with my xmltv grabber. I configured the grabber and it created a file /home/myuser/.mythtv/DVB-T.xmltv
[22:21:44] kenni: anyway, if we find out that this issue is not related to "watched recordings", then I have access to the EIT in question at home, so I'll be able to test it, if needed
[22:21:54] kenni: (Jog's issue)
[22:22:47] thefRont: ah... taking it back... looks like now mythfilldatabase has recognized the xmltv grabber configuration
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[22:23:30] sphery: Jog: here's a picture of the Arclight theme showing Change Group View. The bright blue dot means enabled: http://imagebin.ca/view/yKroghx8.html
[22:24:03] sphery: some of the other themes make it much harder to tell if it's enabled or not
[22:24:16] thefRont: so now the question is, how do I map the received channel information to the actual channels?
[22:24:24] sphery: Jog: the bottom one, "Show Watched Programs" is the one that's important
[22:24:44] sphery: thefRont: set the xmltvid using the channel editor
[22:25:22] [R]: omg... i updated the bios on my myth box and now the intenet network card isn't working
[22:25:42] thefRont: the xmltvid is the ID each channels is named when configuring the grabber, right?
[22:25:48] ** [R] smacks BIOS... now its there **
[22:28:05] sphery: thefRont: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID
[22:28:58] Jog: sphery: found it. It seems the Metallurgy 1.1 theme doesn't have the Show watched programs checkbox. I think I'll stick to mythcenter from now on. Thank you very much for the tip about themes :-)
[22:29:00] sphery: thefRont: you can find the actual ID in the /home/myuser/.mythtv/DVB-T.xmltv file. It would be wonderful if you could fill in the " Other listing services\n If you know this, fill it in! " part.
[22:30:04] sphery: Jog: interesting... I'll mention that to the theme author (in case he wants to update it).
[22:30:15] sphery: though I don't know if he's given up on that theme
[22:30:41] sphery: ah, wait, it's in SVN, so should be fixed
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[22:31:18] Jog: sphery: sounds great. The wife will be too confused if I shift theme (again) :-)
[22:31:33] dlublink: mythtv internal player doesn't play vp7 codec, but mplayer does
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[22:32:02] dlublink: that's why I wanted to use mplayer instead of the internal player
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[22:32:05] iamlindoro: Internal player plays VP7 fine (and VP8, for that matter)
[22:32:12] iamlindoro: So long as you are on sufficiently modern Myth
[22:32:14] sphery: Jog: though that is one of the old, legacy, pre-mythui (our new theming engine) themes, so he may decide it's not worth keeping it up
[22:33:14] Jog: sphery: ahh, ok, thanks for the tip.
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[22:34:51] iamlindoro: Guess he didn't like that answer
[22:35:42] wagnerrp: what even uses VP7?
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[22:37:17] bjd_: you know if you have a video and a srt file or something – i'm finding it quite hard to read the subtitles, is there any way to have like the text on a blackground?
[22:37:20] kormoc: iamlindoro, as sphery said earlier...
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[22:37:42] iamlindoro: bjd_, There is in trunk, not in .23
[22:37:50] bjd_: ok, cool
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[22:39:18] sphery: iamlindoro: another drive by shooting (the mouth off)
[22:39:23] sphery: :)
[22:39:43] iamlindoro: yeah
[22:39:43] iamlindoro: heh
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[22:40:43] kormoc: he's waiting for different folks to be around
[22:41:43] [R]: so i'm clearing out one of my partitions so i can resize it and make a swap partition
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[22:41:51] [R]: i'm gonna time hibernate vs regular start
[22:41:55] [R]: think its gonna make any difference?
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[22:42:28] sphery: [R]: going on a trip to another star system?
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[22:43:07] [R]: sphery: haha
[22:43:44] [R]: so i've officially given up on s3 on my backend
[22:43:50] [R]: freakin thing acts like its doing S2 or something
[22:43:55] wagnerrp: gah...
[22:44:09] wagnerrp: why do people call digital tuners with framegrabbers, 'encoder cards'
[22:44:11] sphery: That sucks, you paid for S3 and you're getting S2. I think you should ask for another S.
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[22:44:37] sphery: wagnerrp: YUV is a code, too!
[22:45:06] [R]: wagnerrp: that makes no sense... unless the framegrabber is for an analog side?
[22:45:17] wagnerrp: yeah, hybrid cards
[22:45:23] [R]: ah
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[22:46:55] sphery: still makes no sense to use it, though :)
[22:51:13] wagnerrp: the PVR-USB2 had a video /decoder/?
[22:53:31] sphery: a decoder on a usb card?
[22:53:39] sphery: that's a lot of bandwidth to expect of usb, isn't it?
[22:53:59] wagnerrp: similar to a PVR-350
[22:54:05] wagnerrp: at least thats what the linuxtv site says
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[22:54:30] sphery: wow
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[22:55:31] awalls: Maybe refers to a broadcast video decoder
[22:55:58] wagnerrp: the rest of the PVR cards are only listed as an encoder
[22:57:33] high-rez: Berido: Around?
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[22:58:39] high-rez: Beirdo: Not sure if its the work you've been doing on the upnp stuff, or the new firmware release from samsung, but my tv appears to be playing all of my hd content now just fine without freezing/needing to be unplugged :)
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[23:01:48] sphery: heh, before you had to reboot your TV
[23:01:51] sphery: that's sad
[23:02:04] high-rez: Actually
[23:02:10] high-rez: I had to pull the power plug
[23:02:20] high-rez: The power button was't working ;)
[23:02:24] sphery: heh--worse, a cold boot
[23:02:35] bjd_: an old samsung?
[23:02:38] sphery: did it at least give you a nice blue screen?
[23:02:38] high-rez: Nope
[23:02:44] high-rez: Bought it like 6 months ago ;)
[23:02:49] bjd_: aha
[23:02:57] bjd_: must have been v. annoying :)
[23:03:20] darkdrgnk: Hauppauge HD PVR is the most cost effective way to do HD MYTH right?
[23:03:27] high-rez: Well the upnp interface on it is just gravy – i don't actually /use/ it since i've got an ionitx frontend hooked up :)
[23:03:33] darkdrgnk: (for a DVB-S with no softcam)
[23:03:37] high-rez: And its decode engine looks absolutely terrible.
[23:03:56] [R]: darkdrgnk: its the ONLY way...
[23:04:18] darkdrgnk: [r]: wondering if its realyl work it for 250 bucks...
[23:04:33] [R]: it doesn't cost 250...
[23:04:42] darkdrgnk: how much does it cost
[23:04:50] [R]: i got mine ofr 175
[23:04:53] high-rez: 185 according to google
[23:04:54] [R]: i think regular its like 180 or 190
[23:05:03] darkdrgnk: yeh checked e-bat
[23:05:08] wagnerrp: MSRP is $200
[23:05:18] darkdrgnk: cheapest ebay is 210+shipping
[23:05:21] wagnerrp: if you pay more than $200, you got ripped off
[23:05:33] high-rez: ebay is overpriced for everything
[23:05:41] darkdrgnk: so where can i find it?
[23:05:43] wagnerrp: because its available at plenty of places for less than that, retail, with free shipping
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[23:05:57] wagnerrp: newegg, amazon, buy, dell, google
[23:05:59] high-rez: I never saw the point of buying from an unknown person on ebay than for a really good etailer
[23:06:17] darkdrgnk: Now: $194.99 + 12.99 shipping from newegg
[23:06:19] high-rez: http://www.google.com/products
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[23:07:06] wagnerrp: darkdrgnk: so right now, newegg would be a ripoff
[23:07:08] high-rez: http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definiti . . . p/B0018LX0DY
[23:07:53] high-rez: newegg.com shows me $185 right now
[23:07:59] darkdrgnk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Ite . . . 30-_-Product
[23:08:02] high-rez: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . e-_-15116030
[23:08:21] darkdrgnk: ^#@%#$@% canadian dollar is almost at par with US... i hate economices
[23:08:33] high-rez: Well over paying for stuff is what you get for being canadian.
[23:08:41] high-rez: At least you have universal healthcare.
[23:08:46] darkdrgnk: i was gonna say
[23:08:53] darkdrgnk: at least our drugs are liek 60% cheaper :-P
[23:09:08] high-rez: We have cheap doughnuts and tv. But you guys can get 222's at the local drug store.
[23:09:21] darkdrgnk: ...thats why we sell them back to you guys :-P...
[23:11:14] high-rez: So there you go, always a positive. Now overspend. It'll give you a headache, but that'll be solved by that huge stash of 222's you got.
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[23:12:03] [R]: wtf... i had a failede hibernate and now i can't boot the damn system
[23:12:35] bjd_: heh
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[23:15:34] [R]: blah
[23:15:42] [R]: i really hate the ubuntu boot scripts
[23:15:46] [R]: if it can't mount smoething in fstab
[23:15:51] [R]: it totally just sits there acting stupid
[23:16:37] high-rez: All of the init systems are pretty lame. I thought I remember someone was supposed to be writing a new super duper init replacement
[23:16:58] [R]: every dist uses its own
[23:17:02] [R]: thats "not sysv"
[23:17:07] [R]: ubuntu uses upstart
[23:17:38] high-rez: ahh. i thought ubuntu was sysvinit derrived
[23:17:41] dewman: If I add a second qam card, do i still need to scan for channels or will it use the channels from the 1st qam tuner?
[23:17:57] high-rez: it'll use the existing scan
[23:18:02] high-rez: if you say you have the same sources
[23:18:03] [R]: dewman: if you set it up properly in the setup...
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[23:18:35] high-rez: just make sure to point it to the existing video source, don't create a new one. and you're done.
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[23:18:48] [R]: i really hate how perfectly efficient the backend is with shutting down when idle...
[23:19:03] high-rez: huh?>
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[23:19:25] dewman: thanks..Thats what I was hoping...
[23:19:40] [R]: high-rez: my mythbackend shuts down my system when mythbackend is idle
[23:19:46] [R]: high-rez: its a pain when i'm doing work on the system though
[23:20:12] high-rez: ahh. strange. it wakes itself up when iot needs to record?
[23:20:25] [R]: yup
[23:20:28] high-rez: neato
[23:20:32] [R]: neato torpedo
[23:24:24] [R]: if only my blasted motherboard didn't suck so much and it worked with S3
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[23:27:40] wagnerrp: bleh... why do these people intertwine their network cards so deeply into the wiki
[23:27:56] wagnerrp: ive got 20 pages to alter just to delete the HD3000 card page
[23:28:00] wagnerrp: and you cant even buy it anymore
[23:31:15] sphery: at least it's not 3000 pages
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[23:32:04] symptom: what are the min system reqs to play h.264 720p from mkvs?
[23:32:24] wagnerrp: that depends entirely on the options you used when encoding those h264 mkvs
[23:33:13] sphery: and not that aiming for the minimum isn't necessarily a good idea :)
[23:33:18] sphery: er, note
[23:33:52] [R]: symptom: an nvidia card that does vdpau... there, problem solved
[23:33:52] [R]: :)
[23:34:09] wagnerrp: settings being... bitrate, tree structure, entropy coding, reference frames, slicing
[23:34:36] wagnerrp: [R]: not true, i can easily make a 720p h264 encoding that my P3 laptop will handle fine, but a VDPAU card will barf on
[23:34:47] symptom: can I do it with an old radeon 9200 pro and a athlon xp 3200+?
[23:34:48] [R]: wagnerrp: lol
[23:35:07] wagnerrp: they made a 9200 pro?
[23:35:18] wagnerrp: usually you only put the 'pro' moniker on a performance card
[23:36:11] wagnerrp: anyway, ATI cards, and especially old radeons, are not recommended for mythtv or video on linux in general
[23:36:28] wagnerrp: as for the CPU, we cannot tell you the requirements without knowing the encoding options you used
[23:36:43] symptom: but my nvidia card is geforce fx 5200
[23:36:56] wagnerrp: you just said it was a radeon 9200
[23:36:57] symptom: half the processor speed
[23:37:09] symptom: and i hink have the on board memory
[23:38:06] symptom: i have 2
[23:38:13] symptom: to choose from
[23:38:32] wagnerrp: both of those cards are AGP cards
[23:38:35] symptom: yes
[23:38:40] wagnerrp: you can swap them into whatever system you want
[23:38:57] symptom: yes
[23:39:22] wagnerrp: so why would the memory and processor speed of the system currently holding the 5200 have any bearing on this discussion?
[23:40:38] symptom: I thought if the video card did not have some sort of onboard support for h.264 then it would off load some of the work to the cpu
[23:40:55] wagnerrp: neither of those cards has any support for h264
[23:41:18] wagnerrp: and in no current video card is video decoding offloaded to the GPU
[23:41:27] symptom: so are you saying that i makes no difference which I use?
[23:41:34] wagnerrp: they all have dedicated video decoder hardware that runs independent of the GPU
[23:41:45] wagnerrp: im saying linux video prefers nvidia cards
[23:42:08] wagnerrp: and we cannot give you minimum requirements for your video without you telling us what settings were used when it was encoded
[23:42:28] wagnerrp: broadcast standard, encoder cards, those are all known profiles
[23:42:34] wagnerrp: something you encoded, we have no idea what that is
[23:43:53] Beirdo: sphery: remote screen shot working (not committed yet) :)
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