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| [00:38:31] | silverdulcet: | I'm having an issue with ALC889A sound chip, every so often the sound will not work after it boots, alsamixer returns no mixer elements found. A reboot fixes it, just would like to know if I can get rid of this nagging problem. |
| [00:39:10] | Beirdo: | umm. |
| [00:39:34] | Beirdo: | that's not a mythtv problem :) |
| [00:40:03] | Beirdo: | maybe someone has an idea, but that's more a hardware problem or driver problem |
| [00:40:31] | silverdulcet: | ;-p yep, wrong channel... apologies. |
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| [00:43:53] | Beirdo: | it happens :) |
| [00:47:39] | silverdulcet: | Beirdo: perhaps I could pick your brain about an actual mythtv related problem? |
| [00:48:30] | Beirdo: | you can certainly try :) |
| [00:50:03] | silverdulcet: | I'm running mythbuntu 9.10, with mythtv 0.23 autobuilds. Now when I run a transcode job it only runs at ~3fps, where before on the Athlon II Regor 2.8ghz it would run around 30–60fps. Any idea what could have changed just upgrading mythtv versions? |
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| [00:50:51] | Beirdo: | those autobuilds track trunk? |
| [00:51:27] | silverdulcet: | the same exact problem happened when I went used the autobuilds for the 0.22 in the previous mythbuntu version, a clean install of the mythbuntu version that goes with 0.22 fixed it. |
| [00:51:48] | silverdulcet: | no these are the release/fixes only. |
| [00:51:58] | Beirdo: | K |
| [00:52:20] | Beirdo: | not sure why it would be that much slower |
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| [00:52:37] | silverdulcet: | yeah, the cpu doesn't even break a sweat. |
| [00:52:41] | Beirdo: | it could be a change in the ffmpeg decoders being used |
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| [00:53:45] | silverdulcet: | I've done searches, plenty of people use the autobuilds to get 0.23 on 9.10, perhaps all those people just don't transcode. |
| [00:53:57] | Beirdo: | I don't transcode much, and when I do it's externally with nuvexport |
| [00:54:19] | silverdulcet: | I guess, like before I'll just have to bite the bullet and upgrade to 10.04 so it works..;-p |
| [00:54:46] | Beirdo: | possibly. dunno |
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| [00:55:58] | silverdulcet: | I'm 99% sure it will, when I tried 0.22 on 9.04 it had the same problem, ended up doing a clean install of 9.10. |
| [00:56:31] | silverdulcet: | I use mythnuv2mkv but that uses mythtranscode to do the transcoding... |
| [00:58:11] | silverdulcet: | with that I built the most current ffmpeg from source to check to see if that was the problem, but even with a newer/current version of that it still had the problem. |
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| [01:04:17] | wagnerrp: | silverdulcet: is it running full cpu and only doing ~3fps? |
| [01:10:03] | silverdulcet: | wagnerrp: no not really, more like it jumps from 0 to 100 then to 0 again, on and on and on. |
| [01:10:51] | iamlindoro: | sounds like an IO issue |
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| [01:11:32] | silverdulcet: | wagnerrp: I guess I wasn't exactly truthful in that its only mythtranscode, if I'm running an xvid/divx transcode it cuts the commercials with mythranscode then uses mencoder. |
| [01:11:41] | Beirdo: | oooh ohh... caffeine crash imminent |
| [01:11:45] | Beirdo: | crap |
| [01:12:02] | Beirdo: | good thing it's time to go home, this usually happens at around 3pm |
| [01:12:12] | Beirdo: | seeya guys on the flip side |
| [01:12:41] | sphery: | or perhaps mythtranscode executed in the sleep after every few frames mode? |
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| [01:34:03] | silverdulcet: | I guess it is a mencoder problem. I'm running a test encode and its running at 3.63fps, one core is 100% |
| [01:37:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: does mythtranscode have that problem? i through that was only mythcommflag |
| [01:38:26] | sphery: | not a problem, it's a design that allows the job queue to execute the program without taking up too much cpu so it won't interfere with recording |
| [01:38:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, not problem, option |
| [01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | i misspoke |
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| [01:45:54] | Beirdo2: | wagnerrp: Yer groupie is back... -dev ml |
| [01:47:27] | Beirdo2: | "this patch removes my choice to use an up to date frontend thats behind on the protocol" |
| [01:47:49] | Beirdo2: | Umm. That makes it not up to date |
| [01:48:14] | Beirdo2: | -EEATME |
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| [01:52:17] | [R]: | up-to-date frontend (that happens to |
| [01:52:17] | [R]: | have a slightly out-of-date protocol implementation) |
| [01:52:22] | [R]: | then isn't that by definition... NOT up to date? |
| [01:52:55] | wagnerrp: | my exact words |
| [01:53:00] | Beirdo2: | Yeah |
| [01:53:17] | [R]: | your not taking anything away from him |
| [01:53:20] | [R]: | wtf is his problem |
| [01:53:39] | [R]: | he just needs to stop using crappy sfotware |
| [01:53:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:54:19] | wagnerrp: | following 0.23.1, it was decided that all proto/schema updates will come with a point release, right? |
| [01:54:21] | Beirdo2: | Awww. Someone needs to add a few lines of code to their maintained polished turf |
| [01:54:23] | sphery: | or figure out that it takes approximately 2s to add a second argument after the protocol version |
| [01:54:25] | Beirdo2: | Turf |
| [01:54:31] | Beirdo2: | Turd |
| [01:54:42] | Beirdo2: | Stupid iPhone |
| [01:54:57] | sphery: | oh, and I should have mentioned that the mythtranscode sleeping between frames thing is requested through a command-line argument |
| [01:55:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, I believe so. |
| [01:56:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo2, or as he put it on the list, these 3rd party programs will just add a setting in their config file and pass that value as the token so users can tweak away. |
| [01:56:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | some of that being my wording. :) |
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| [01:57:16] | Beirdo2: | Yeah. Polish it again |
| [01:57:31] | [R]: | but when you polish a turd |
| [01:57:33] | [R]: | it's still a turd |
| [01:57:39] | Beirdo2: | Yup |
| [01:57:55] | [R]: | i'm tempted to reply |
| [01:57:56] | Beirdo2: | Just shiny and flashier |
| [01:57:58] | [R]: | seeing as i'm a non-dev |
| [01:58:04] | [R]: | and i don't have a "dev agenda" |
| [01:58:29] | ** Captain_Murdoch finds it ironic that he only tabs in ThreadedFileWriter are inside a "if (errno == ENOSPC)" block of code. ** | |
| [01:59:00] | iamlindoro: | If we wanted to be really nasty we could create a protocol command for each bump that was a randomized set of fields that had to be reordered and returned ;) |
| [01:59:05] | Beirdo2: | Heh |
| [01:59:06] | iamlindoro: | that way they would HAVE to read the code ;) |
| [01:59:37] | Beirdo2: | I still like the protobuf method |
| [02:00:06] | Beirdo2: | If you don't support it right the packet is tossed. Return error |
| [02:00:39] | Beirdo2: | Ahh. Home |
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| [02:01:14] | wagnerrp: | 'i apologize for my terse lines in irc, this message was written on an iphone' |
| [02:01:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "This patch isn't solving the problem. It's driving away yet more people who seek alternatives." Uh, good riddance, then? (If these "seekers of alternatives" are too lazy to do things right, and risk user data as a consequence, I don't want them in the community.) |
| [02:03:04] | sphery: | X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 |
| [02:03:16] | sphery: | uggghhh... I /hate/ fixing broken Outlook formatting |
| [02:03:51] | Beirdo: | outlook = broken |
| [02:04:03] | Beirdo: | another example of clients not following protocols |
| [02:04:18] | silverdulcet: | woo, Outlook 2010 with improved imap handling.. what a crock, it still sucks, how long has imap been around? |
| [02:04:58] | Beirdo: | well, Microsoft treats IMAP, POP3, SMTP much like our 3rd party wannabes treat our protocol |
| [02:05:21] | jk-: | 3rd party wannabes? |
| [02:05:54] | wagnerrp: | jk-: third party protocol libraries that bypass the version check |
| [02:06:10] | jk-: | so there are non-mythtv implementations of the protocol? |
| [02:06:19] | wagnerrp: | several |
| [02:06:22] | jk-: | wow |
| [02:06:27] | wagnerrp: | only two halfway decent ones |
| [02:06:52] | kormoc: | we should remove a field and let havok reign |
| [02:07:15] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: like we did with 0.24 already? |
| [02:07:24] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [02:07:25] | wagnerrp: | several were removed, several others changed or re-ordered |
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| [02:08:45] | wagnerrp: | jk-: myth protocol requires a version check on connection |
| [02:08:54] | jk-: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [02:08:58] | wagnerrp: | and if it does not match, it rejects the client, and responds with its own version |
| [02:09:05] | Beirdo: | is there a keymap to switch to the "alternate player" in mythvideo? |
| [02:09:05] | jk-: | i was just surprised to hear that there are other implementations |
| [02:09:18] | wagnerrp: | most of the 3rd party stuff just takes the backend version, reconnects, and passes the 'proper' version to the backend |
| [02:09:27] | wagnerrp: | whether they actually support that or not |
| [02:09:27] | jk-: | heh |
| [02:09:32] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: regarding #7863 , do you understand the difference between the set-in-the-settings-screens and the set-in-the-Watch-Recordings-screen settings for things like whether to display the watch list and Live TV? |
| [02:09:45] | wagnerrp: | that means code written 5yrs ago will still try to connect to a modern backend and bypass the check |
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| [02:10:09] | wagnerrp: | causing all sorts of brokenness when it tries to use commands improperly, or cannot handle the data structures passed through it |
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| [02:10:35] | wagnerrp: | the patch in question adds a random 32-bit token to each protocol check |
| [02:10:45] | wagnerrp: | such that the client must know the token for that version in order to pass the check |
| [02:11:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but it's up to date... I /just/ downloaded that program that uses the 5yr-old protocol implementation, and it's a /new/ version of the program that has animated flames... |
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| [02:11:55] | sphery: | I don't see what your problem is... You 3rd-party-frontend hater! |
| [02:11:57] | wagnerrp: | jk-: the hope being that it will require the 3rd party maintainer to check the code for the new token, and in doing so check the changelog to see if their code is going to be broken by it |
| [02:12:01] | wagnerrp: | must be |
| [02:12:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, is there more than just the 'watched' one in settings? I'd rather get rid of that one. I think it was only kept in after my 'views' creation because bjm wanted it in settings. |
| [02:12:22] | wagnerrp: | i just cant fathom why people dont see the danger in such practices |
| [02:12:37] | Beirdo: | aaah. Alt-P |
| [02:12:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, cause they don't have to support it |
| [02:13:26] | jk-: | wagnerrp: makes sense |
| [02:14:00] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, getting rid of the one in settings makes sense--TTBOMK, that's the plan (to move stuff from the inaccessible maze of settings screens to where they're actually used) |
| [02:14:01] | kormoc: | We just don't understand open source |
| [02:14:02] | jk-: | "the token is made up of the first letter of each changelog entry. go read it" |
| [02:14:05] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [02:15:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, s/we/they/ ?? |
| [02:15:16] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: even if we simply no longer returned the current protocol version, and only supported tools programmed for a single version |
| [02:15:21] | wagnerrp: | they could just increment over them |
| [02:16:01] | jk-: | having the protocol version returned means you can have better error messages |
| [02:16:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, I agree. I'm fine with the token. |
| [02:16:35] | wagnerrp: | unless we added some sort of rate limiting |
| [02:16:55] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, was referencing a email I received when I politely refused to rewrite mythweb in python (the next big web tech!) and the guy flamed me and told me I just didn't understand open source |
| [02:16:57] | wagnerrp: | that was the other option discussed months ago |
| [02:17:12] | jk-: | kormoc: heh |
| [02:17:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, ah. clearly mod_perl is the way to go. |
| [02:17:36] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: I'm not seeing the one for Live TV (even in an old one)--I just mentioned it because of the TODO in playbackbox.cpp... The Watch List one is PlaybackWatchList |
| [02:17:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | or jython |
| [02:17:54] | kormoc: | of course! how could I be so blind to the light! |
| [02:18:10] | wagnerrp: | is jython the python interpreter written in java? or java interpreter written in python? |
| [02:18:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it goes both ways (Kinky!) |
| [02:18:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | can't recall, it's been a few years since I had to deal with it and I've suppressed those memories. |
| [02:18:50] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [02:18:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | can remember laughing quite a bit at the office that week or so though. |
| [02:19:33] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: anyway, I think I'll put PlaybackWatchList on the hit list for 0.25 |
| [02:19:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, sounds good to me. |
| [02:20:36] | high-rez: | Captain_Murdoch: I put all my icons back after the 4.6.2 update... And now it works. Not sure if it was the diff between 4.6.1/4.6.2 or the compile options |
| [02:21:00] | sphery: | that + LircKeyPressedApp makes 2 on the list :) |
| [02:21:02] | high-rez: | Perhaps a test of qimage in configure would rule out a bad qt env? |
| [02:21:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | high-rez, if it was your qt built without mng support, we can't start testing for everything qt supports to make sure a user hasn't compiled their own broken version. |
| [02:22:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | next thing it will be .gif support for animated gifs, then XYZ support for QXYZ, etc.. |
| [02:23:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:23:07] | high-rez: | Captain_Murdoch: Should mng support actually be needed? I guess I'm confused – as I thought just support for jpeg would be neccessary for this – but not mng? |
| [02:23:26] | Beirdo: | the icons were mng? |
| [02:23:31] | high-rez: | No, they were jpg :) |
| [02:23:39] | high-rez: | Hence the confusion |
| [02:23:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm not sure if those are needed or not, if not then it's a qt bug and I think we have people using qt 4.6. sphery, what's the latest 4.6.x you've tested? |
| [02:23:49] | high-rez: | UNless myth is trying to convert them to MNG for the OSD piece ? |
| [02:23:54] | sphery: | I didn't think mng existed anywhere but some theory of images |
| [02:24:16] | sphery: | I've used Qt through 4.6.3 |
| [02:24:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | did you ever use 4.6.1? that's where he came from and is not 4.6.2 |
| [02:24:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/not/now/ |
| [02:24:37] | sphery: | 4.7 has a compile issue and I haven't fixed the hack patch I uploaded that breaks some (not too commonly used stuff) |
| [02:24:45] | sphery: | Yeah, I used 4.6.0, .1, .2, .3 |
| [02:24:59] | sphery: | what was missing? |
| [02:25:03] | sphery: | all jpegs? |
| [02:25:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | high-rez, ^^ |
| [02:25:18] | sphery: | IIRC, Qt's JPEG support is using a Qt image plugin |
| [02:25:25] | sphery: | so it's likely he was just lacking that plugin |
| [02:25:58] | Beirdo: | ... I though I mentioned that earlier |
| [02:26:02] | Beirdo: | to him :) |
| [02:26:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | I thought he said pngs were failing as well, but I closed that chat tab already. |
| [02:26:15] | sphery: | the mac os build may fail to install it (or fail to install it properly or if it does things right, some other system config may break its use), but haven't heard of any other jpeg issues in any Qt versions we've used |
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| [02:26:48] | high-rez: | The thing is I think the images actually showed up but the OSD changes were taking 30 seconds. qimage.load() was failing – and it appeared that myth would retry 6 times |
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| [02:27:31] | sphery: | for channel icons? |
| [02:27:41] | sphery: | we retry reading channel icons 12 times, IIRC |
| [02:27:52] | Beirdo: | I don't get this... |
| [02:28:03] | Beirdo: | how the heck do I use the PLAYALT |
| [02:28:09] | sphery: | (though maybe that was dropped after users complained when they misconfigured and didn't like the indicator we'd built in--an unusably slow EPG) |
| [02:29:03] | high-rez: | sphery: Yeah. Well I was seeing the failed message 6 times in a row. OSD changes would take like 30 seconds (and audio/video would be blocked during this) |
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| [02:30:58] | sphery: | high-rez: hmmm... I'm not sure what could have caused it |
| [02:31:03] | high-rez: | So I recompiled qt (moving from 4.6.1 to 4.6.2) with the mng and tiff use flags – and the OSD issues went away. But I didn't think tiff of mng were frankly useful. So I'm confused as to wether it was about mng/tiff or if it was a 4.6.1 bug |
| [02:31:13] | high-rez: | Its clearly something going on with qt... |
| [02:31:20] | sphery: | other than lacking the Qt4 JPEG image plugin, it should just work |
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| [02:32:03] | high-rez: | well qt4 wouldn't require mng/tiff support to support jpeg i would assume? |
| [02:32:42] | high-rez: | (thats why I'm scratching my head). In my testing today it was clear that qimage.load(filename) was failing and causing my osd problems – but why it was failing I guess I'll never know :) |
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| [02:48:08] | sphery: | d'oh... close call. I just slid off the scroll bar in MythWeb Upcoming Recordings and clicked Never Record for Chuck (Chuck vs The Anniversary). Had I not noticed that, I would have been /very/ sad. |
| [02:49:39] | Beirdo: | oy! |
| [02:50:27] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [02:55:57] | Beirdo: | why don't I see Chuck in a search?! |
| [02:56:16] | iamlindoro: | Because he's a spy, dummy |
| [02:56:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:56:22] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [02:56:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:56:28] | Beirdo: | OK, good answer |
| [02:56:35] | Beirdo: | when's it on? |
| [02:56:49] | wagnerrp: | 20th |
| [02:56:52] | sphery: | Sep 20, 8:00pm |
| [02:56:55] | sphery: | NBC |
| [02:56:57] | wagnerrp: | so 13 days |
| [02:57:01] | Beirdo: | K |
| [02:57:03] | wagnerrp: | you may not have run mfd to get the update yet |
| [02:57:08] | sphery: | 8:00, 7:00 Central and Mountain :) |
| [02:57:11] | Beirdo: | it might be JUST off the end |
| [02:57:21] | sphery: | I have data for Sep 21 |
| [02:57:40] | Beirdo: | hmm, so do I |
| [02:57:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: chuck may be a spy, but he doesnt have The Power |
| [02:57:52] | sphery: | and... Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-09–07 11:24 and ended on 2010-09–07 11:25. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. |
| [02:58:02] | sphery: | (had the 21st yesterday) |
| [02:58:06] | Beirdo: | maybe it's just a search borkage? |
| [02:58:18] | sphery: | which search? |
| [02:58:19] | Beirdo: | there it is |
| [02:58:20] | sphery: | MythWeb? |
| [02:58:22] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [02:58:32] | sphery: | maybe you have some of the checkboxes checked and are limiting search |
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| [02:58:44] | Beirdo: | not that I know of, but could be |
| [02:59:00] | sphery: | if you use the search at the top of every page, it shouldn't use the search function checkboxes |
| [02:59:06] | sphery: | unless that's changed since 0.23 |
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| [02:59:16] | Beirdo: | that's what I did |
| [02:59:18] | Beirdo: | :( |
| [02:59:28] | Beirdo: | got a lot of Chuck Norris crap tough |
| [02:59:40] | sphery: | I actually have 2 conflicts on Sep 20th, with 4 tuners and only OTA... |
| [02:59:47] | Byalink1: | QUERY: When Myth goes to look things up in the DB, based on the 'hostname', *precisely where* does it get its idea of that hostname from? |
| [02:59:48] | sphery: | Beirdo: try: ^Chuck$ |
| [03:00:21] | Beirdo: | Title matches Chuck... that worked |
| [03:00:25] | sphery: | Byalink1: from mythweb.conf (apache config), if you mean for when it's looking for itself |
| [03:00:42] | Byalink1: | All my tables have an FQDN as that field, but I have obviously screwed *something* up as it's lost all it's config in -setup |
| [03:00:42] | sphery: | Beirdo: maybe was buried in the Norris results? |
| [03:00:46] | Beirdo: | OK, new glitchiness... |
| [03:00:59] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–07 20:00:06.250 PlaybackBox Error: Ignoring PREVIEW_SUCCESS, item no longer on screen. |
| [03:01:04] | Byalink1: | sphery: Not for mythweb, for the whole system. |
| [03:01:20] | Beirdo: | while playback is going... borked the playback for a short time |
| [03:01:23] | kormoc: | by the output of the hostname program |
| [03:01:29] | kormoc: | or similar sys call |
| [03:01:33] | Byalink1: | hostname will return an FQDN? |
| [03:01:48] | Beirdo: | it will if you configured the box that way |
| [03:01:53] | sphery: | Byalink1: see the whole section that talks about that in mythweb.conf |
| [03:01:57] | Byalink1: | Cause /etc/HOSTNAME has the FQDN in it, but hostname only returns the basename. |
| [03:01:58] | sphery: | the comments are there for a reason' |
| [03:02:19] | Beirdo: | if /etc/HOSTNAME has FQDN, then hostname should return FQDN |
| [03:02:24] | Byalink1: | I wouldn't have expected a Mythweb config file to control the whole system, sphery; sorry. I'll look. |
| [03:02:27] | wagnerrp: | Byalink1: is using the basename a problem? |
| [03:02:30] | Byalink1: | That's what I thought, Beirdo |
| [03:02:42] | Byalink1: | All the tables have the FQ, wagnerrp |
| [03:02:47] | sphery: | Byalink1: By default, MythWeb uses the hostname program to look up the hostname of the machine it runs on. If this reports incorrect data, or you run MythWeb on a machine without the hostname program, set this to your current hostname. |
| [03:02:47] | Beirdo: | at least that's what I've always seen |
| [03:02:52] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [03:03:04] | Byalink1: | sphery: *this is not mythweb*. It's mythtv-setup. |
| [03:03:21] | sphery: | Byalink1: oh, then config.xml or mysql.txt |
| [03:03:37] | sphery: | note that you need to check /every/ single config.xml and mysql.txt on your system |
| [03:04:04] | Byalink1: | Why would the Mythtv components be reading those? Those are mysql files, no? |
| [03:04:06] | Beirdo: | oh jeez. I started 4 simultaneous recordings |
| [03:04:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:04:18] | sphery: | Byalink1: and if your current hostname returns different from the previous one, just set a LocalHostName override |
| [03:04:34] | sphery: | Byalink1: and, no, mysql.txt and config.xml are MythTV files |
| [03:05:02] | Byalink1: | Ah. New to this release (and in fact, haven't done any behind the curtain in a couple years. Will look. Thanks. |
| [03:05:17] | Beirdo: | Warehouse 13, Scrubs, Family Guy, Wipeout |
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| [03:07:36] | Beirdo: | sometime between 9 and 10 I get to restart the backend |
| [03:07:51] | Beirdo: | gonna record 6 shows first. heh |
| [03:08:49] | Beirdo: | but... the test I needed to do was in the frontend... so I should be good to test |
| [03:10:04] | Beirdo: | when does Undercovers start? |
| [03:10:12] | iamlindoro: | 21 or 22 I think |
| [03:10:15] | Beirdo: | "this Fall" ain't too specific |
| [03:10:18] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [03:10:28] | sphery: | dont' think it's 21st since I have listings for that day |
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| [03:10:33] | iamlindoro: | Think it's 22, so it may come on the schedule tomorrow |
| [03:10:34] | Beirdo: | so I should be able to put in the schedule in the next few days |
| [03:10:38] | kormoc: | when you consider the age of the universe, this fall is really specific.... |
| [03:11:26] | Beirdo: | I keep seeing the ads for shows that I can't schedule |
| [03:12:37] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [03:12:48] | Beirdo: | PLAYALT has a minor issue for me |
| [03:13:10] | Beirdo: | it's launching mplayer... but with myth:// |
| [03:13:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:13:55] | Beirdo: | but I got it to actually launch.. so let's make my alternate player a long-running script so I can test that the LIRC stuff is actually locked |
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| [03:15:33] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, If your content is storage group hosted, all the files passed to external players are myth urls |
| [03:15:34] | Baylink1: | now then. When I start -setup, it tells me "using localhost value of plaintain". hostname returns that, but hostname --long correctly returns plaintain.bakulanews.com. |
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| [03:15:39] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [03:15:50] | iamlindoro: | If you want to use an alternate player, you need to not use storage groups |
| [03:15:51] | Beirdo: | I figured as much once I saw it |
| [03:16:07] | Beirdo: | I just want it as a case that forces the LIRC lock |
| [03:16:17] | Baylink1: | None of my config.xml's have hostnamey stuff, and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt had the LocalHostName parm in it, but was commented out. |
| [03:16:30] | Beirdo: | so my player will be a script that does a sleep 30 |
| [03:16:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:16:38] | Baylink1: | Any further thoughts from that, sphery? |
| [03:17:01] | Baylink1: | (and all my tables have the FQDN as the hostname column, as I mentioned.) |
| [03:17:53] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: trust me, I like our internal player better anyways :) |
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| [03:19:03] | colbey00: | Hey, all. Would someone be able to help me set up HDMI audio? |
| [03:19:11] | Baylink1: | Could any of this be being broken by the two ips on the first page of General and how they resolve in /etc/hosts? |
| [03:20:01] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: the events work |
| [03:20:21] | Beirdo: | it locks the LIRC, but it seems the lirc events stay queued? |
| [03:20:44] | Beirdo: | I doubt that's really what we want... |
| [03:21:39] | Beirdo: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/QKE8MczM |
| [03:21:56] | sphery: | Beirdo: no, we should be dropping them :( |
| [03:22:06] | Beirdo: | that's what I thought |
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| [03:22:17] | Beirdo: | so we have yet more issues... |
| [03:22:47] | sphery: | Baylink1: did you set the LocalHostName override that specifies the fully-qualified hostname? |
| [03:22:48] | Beirdo: | the dummy player echos "Dummy player" then the filename... then sleep 30 |
| [03:22:50] | Beirdo: | that's all |
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| [03:23:35] | Baylink1: | I did, and it doesn't seem to have helped either; mythtv-setup posted another not suggesting it didn't see it, even though I uncommented it. |
| [03:24:08] | sphery: | Baylink1: then you likely have additional mysql.txt files and/or config.xml files being used instead |
| [03:24:10] | Beirdo: | now to see what its problem may be |
| [03:24:14] | sphery: | make all of them ideantical |
| [03:24:48] | Baylink1: | Only the one mysql.txt, and all the config.xmls I see only have "where's the dbms" info, no hostnames" |
| [03:25:01] | sphery: | add it |
| [03:25:14] | sphery: | <LocalHostName>value</LocalHostName> in the top section |
| [03:25:22] | Baylink1: | Ah. Ok |
| [03:25:35] | Baylink1: | Is this something I should have seen in the doco? Or is it deep magic? |
| [03:26:04] | Baylink1: | In fact the config.xml in /etc/mythtv is nearly empty; only one comment line. |
| [03:26:08] | sphery: | Baylink1: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . s/config.xml |
| [03:26:16] | sphery: | it's mostly deep magic |
| [03:26:21] | Baylink1: | Neat. |
| [03:26:32] | Beirdo: | ahahah |
| [03:26:40] | sphery: | guess it goes in the DefaultBackend element |
| [03:26:44] | Baylink1: | Maybe we need a script that says "change all the config info to whatever you believe the machine's hostname is right this minute". |
| [03:26:46] | Beirdo: | "nobody liked my haircut, so now they can just suck it" |
| [03:26:54] | Beirdo: | Dr Cox after shaving his head |
| [03:26:59] | Baylink1: | Ha |
| [03:27:01] | sphery: | we need to get back to the state of being able to have only a single config file :) |
| [03:27:15] | Baylink1: | You know they were out of order that season, which explains some continuity problems with his shave? |
| [03:27:24] | Baylink1: | No argument there, sphery |
| [03:27:37] | Baylink1: | Can I just *whack* all the files not in /etc/mythtv? |
| [03:28:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:28:19] | Beirdo: | yeah well. |
| [03:28:33] | Beirdo: | he just reminded me I'm due to buzz my head... any moment now |
| [03:28:39] | sphery: | the only time config.xml is used is if it's in the conf dir (which is typically $HOME/.mythtv , but can be changed--though I /think/ most distros are using a symlink to /etc/mythtv/config.xml or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt) |
| [03:28:48] | sphery: | mysql.txt can appear in any of multiple places |
| [03:29:07] | sphery: | all you have to do is make sure you have only one of those files anywhere on your system and that it's in a place where it gets used :) |
| [03:29:12] | Baylink1: | No, SuSE is putting them in the homedirs, but I have the aforementioned empty one in /etc/mythtv |
| [03:29:30] | sphery: | then that's likely not being used? |
| [03:29:42] | Baylink1: | Apparently. |
| [03:29:53] | sphery: | unless they're doing ugliness like setting MYTHCONFDIR to /etc/mythtv (which means that you don't get any image caching, and performance will be awful) |
| [03:30:13] | Baylink1: | I'll deal with that once the backend can find my frickin storage groups again. |
| [03:30:19] | sphery: | assuming /etc/mythtv isn't writable by the backend and frontend user--and if it is, well, that's a whole other shade of ugly |
| [03:31:07] | Baylink1: | 755 root |
| [03:31:16] | sphery: | so I say either use the ugly, old-fashioned, semi-deprecated mysql.txt in $PREFIX/share or use $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml in the home dir of every user who runs mythtv apps |
| [03:31:19] | Baylink1: | backend is running as a service, but I didn't look at the UID |
| [03:31:22] | sphery: | and delete every other one on there |
| [03:31:46] | sphery: | of course, you need to temper my advice with knowledge of your own package manager's behaviors |
| [03:31:54] | Baylink1: | Wow; and this was all working fine, and I changed the IP address and it all blew to pieces. That's comforting. |
| [03:32:02] | sphery: | but on my system, I have exactly one config.xml file in ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [03:32:05] | sphery: | and nothing else |
| [03:32:21] | sphery: | you do need to ensure you have the IP address set up properly in mythtv-setup, also |
| [03:32:46] | Baylink1: | Yes; what is it expecting there? I'm on a -1918 network. |
| [03:32:55] | sphery: | and if you changed the master backend IP, you need to change the master backend IP by running mythtv-setup on /every/ host (at least every host that's running mythbackend or mythjobqueue) |
| [03:33:09] | Baylink1: | Both the private address? Both localhost? Single-backend network |
| [03:33:09] | sphery: | no sure what a 1918 network is... |
| [03:33:21] | Baylink1: | 192.168.1/24 |
| [03:33:25] | sphery: | is that like a Thomas Edison phone network with the cranks on the phones? |
| [03:33:29] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [03:33:30] | Baylink1: | heh |
| [03:33:40] | Baylink1: | RFC1918 |
| [03:33:40] | sphery: | yeah, just put the 192.168.1.3 or whatever |
| [03:33:47] | Baylink1: | In both slots? |
| [03:33:55] | sphery: | if this is the master backend, then yes |
| [03:34:17] | sphery: | if not, put the mbe's address in the master backend IP address one and the local IP address in the backend IP address one |
| [03:34:19] | Baylink1: | Ok; last question for now: should the hosts file have anything real-namey in the localhost line? |
| [03:34:34] | sphery: | btw, is this the Baylink I remember from a while back? |
| [03:34:38] | Baylink1: | Yep |
| [03:34:46] | Baylink1: | Is that good, or bad? :-) |
| [03:34:46] | sphery: | the one who was very active at making our wiki useful |
| [03:34:49] | sphery: | cool, welcome back :) |
| [03:34:56] | Baylink1: | Ah yes; I sort of quarterbacked the switch. |
| [03:34:57] | sphery: | and thanks for the wiki work |
| [03:35:04] | sphery: | I wasn't a believer when you started it--I am now |
| [03:35:06] | Baylink1: | Been inactive; the box has been running well on 0.21 |
| [03:35:18] | sphery: | ahh... |
| [03:35:26] | sphery: | it's amazing how many people are still running 0.21 |
| [03:35:26] | Baylink1: | THey've been doing pretty well in my absence, but I'm going to make a sweep through the userman in the next month |
| [03:35:27] | Beirdo: | sphery: I think I need to add something to the event filter |
| [03:35:34] | Baylink1: | Anyway, back in a few |
| [03:36:15] | sphery: | (I admit I did until after the end of last season because I didn't want to upgrade in the middle of the season with all the big changes that went into 0.22), but I've been on 0.23-fixes since June, and I thought I was late to join the party |
| [03:37:09] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, I don't know what it did before, but I'd guess it was checking some flag right after getting the LIRC message from lircd, and if the "lock" was in place, it was returning from the function without doing anything |
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| [03:43:42] | sphery: | Beirdo: ok, so it seems that's not at all how it worked |
| [03:49:09] | Baylink1: | FIXED. I corrected the copies in /etc/mythtv, and then symlinked them into /root/.mythtv (so -setup would work) and into a directory with the unlikely path of /var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv (so the backend service would run), and restarted the be and fe, and I'm up. |
| [03:49:15] | Baylink1: | Jeezus, that was miserable. |
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| [03:49:27] | Baylink1: | Everything else went pretty ok, though, so... |
| [03:49:32] | sphery: | heh, glad it's working now |
| [03:49:49] | Baylink1: | I'm *not* rebooting it til tomorrow. |
| [03:49:52] | sphery: | make sure /var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv is writable, though, for image caching |
| [03:50:13] | Baylink1: | Yeah |
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| [03:53:42] | Beirdo: | sorry, went to shave the nut |
| [03:54:04] | sphery: | shave shave? |
| [03:54:10] | sphery: | did you get a headblade? |
| [03:54:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:54:18] | Beirdo: | no, I have a trimmer |
| [03:54:31] | Baylink1: | Well, apparently *she* rebooted it. Hope it worked, cause I ain't working on it any more tonight. Night yall; thanks. |
| [03:54:31] | Beirdo: | and the moustache needs a second pass |
| [03:54:36] | sphery: | ah, cheat :) |
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| [03:55:32] | Beirdo: | oh crap |
| [03:55:36] | Beirdo: | I know what's going on |
| [03:55:40] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [03:55:43] | Beirdo: | oh crap |
| [03:56:01] | Beirdo: | so THAT's why that old processEvents was in there |
| [03:56:24] | Beirdo: | the UI thread is blocked |
| [03:56:29] | Beirdo: | it's not processing crap |
| [03:56:52] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [03:56:53] | Beirdo: | intentionally blocked |
| [03:57:05] | Beirdo: | so the lirc stuff gets queued |
| [03:57:16] | Beirdo: | and then we unblock... unlock lirc... |
| [03:57:20] | Beirdo: | and it processes em all |
| [03:57:29] | sphery: | is this what Paul was talking about? |
| [03:57:34] | Beirdo: | OK, I know what to look at now |
| [03:57:49] | Beirdo: | perhaps |
| [03:58:09] | Beirdo: | should be easy enough to fix |
| [03:58:22] | sphery: | good luck! |
| [03:58:27] | Beirdo: | hehe, thanks |
| [03:58:33] | Beirdo: | at least I have a way to test |
| [03:59:36] | Beirdo: | this is NOT scrubs |
| [04:00:38] | Beirdo: | WGN is so annoying |
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| [04:09:29] | Beirdo: | nope |
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| [04:10:05] | Beirdo: | I think this HAS to go into the filter |
| [04:10:55] | [R]: | bleh... i really need to write that upnp patch |
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| [04:17:13] | Beirdo: | oh blah |
| [04:17:25] | Beirdo: | qApp->processEvents()... |
| [04:17:38] | Beirdo: | Processes all pending events for the calling thread according to the specified flags until there are no more events to process. |
| [04:17:49] | Beirdo: | not where I need to process... |
| [04:29:05] | iamlindoro: | Any DVB-S users awake? |
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| [04:34:46] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [04:34:51] | Beirdo: | #8804 is a goner |
| [04:35:12] | wagnerrp: | and the #8877 complainer repented |
| [04:36:05] | [R]: | finally realized he was being an idiot |
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| [04:38:50] | wagnerrp: | so my cableco is making the digital switch over |
| [04:38:58] | wagnerrp: | forcing us to get little boxes |
| [04:39:05] | [R]: | bastards |
| [04:39:09] | wagnerrp: | between all the tvs and tuner cards, i need 7 |
| [04:39:19] | wagnerrp: | apparently more than 3 requires that they send a tech out |
| [04:39:24] | [R]: | wtf |
| [04:39:46] | wagnerrp: | any suggestions on what to do about the tech setting up mythtv? |
| [04:39:52] | [R]: | and the techs job is too.. scratch his ass while verifying you have all the tvs you claim? |
| [04:39:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something like that |
| [04:40:00] | Beirdo: | I'm doing a lot of RTFM now. :) |
| [04:40:08] | wagnerrp: | make sure im not reselling my cable to my neighbors |
| [04:40:29] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:40:54] | wagnerrp: | im concerned about the tech being unwilling to provide boxes for the two tuner cards |
| [04:41:23] | Beirdo: | borrow a couple more TVs |
| [04:41:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you should point out to him that the protocol really changed in -trunk and if we allows his 0.23 clients to talk to -trunk, it'll corrupt the data |
| [04:41:55] | kormoc: | point out that what his client thinks is the start time is actually the channel number (or what not) |
| [04:42:24] | [R]: | kormoc: i think what he wants is for the backend to speak multiple protocols |
| [04:42:34] | [R]: | you know... like C3PO |
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| [04:42:49] | kormoc: | patches welcome! |
| [04:43:01] | sphery: | oh, then I could finally get MythTV to talk to my R2 unit |
| [04:43:07] | Beirdo: | maintainers welcome |
| [04:43:20] | Beirdo: | oh what the... |
| [04:43:30] | Beirdo: | time for some test code |
| [04:44:09] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: not sure if thats actually the case |
| [04:44:31] | wagnerrp: | MythBox should throw an exception on any backend newer than protocol 56 |
| [04:45:11] | wagnerrp: | XBMC itself is a bad client, but its native mythproto support is only used for file transfers |
| [04:45:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the numprogitems change is what he's talking about |
| [04:45:23] | wagnerrp: | i know |
| [04:45:41] | [R]: | wagnerrp: if it just does file transfers... why not just use upnp? |
| [04:45:48] | sphery: | +1 |
| [04:46:03] | sphery: | I guess it would still need proto for Live TV |
| [04:46:13] | sphery: | and likely the x**c lovers like Live TV |
| [04:46:16] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the fields got changed around, so something is not what it once was |
| [04:46:17] | Beirdo: | not if we supported tuning over upnp :) |
| [04:46:21] | [R]: | sphery: haha |
| [04:46:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: true... |
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| [04:46:51] | [R]: | Beirdo: but wouldn't you need a upnp client that supports files that change size... i know mine doens't |
| [04:47:02] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: right, im saying that MythBox is a good little client |
| [04:47:02] | sphery: | [R]: that was meant seriously--that basically they're not likely to really "get" MythTV if they think x**c is an acceptable frontend for it |
| [04:47:08] | sphery: | and wasn't meant as a dig, either |
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| [04:47:12] | sphery: | just a guess... |
| [04:47:20] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if xbmc ever accesses the programinfo data for it to barf on |
| [04:47:21] | sphery: | though I admit it does sound like a dig |
| [04:47:30] | Beirdo: | freaking piece of crap |
| [04:47:36] | wagnerrp: | or if that is only used by the external plugin |
| [04:47:42] | Beirdo: | blargh |
| [04:47:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, well, he specifically asked for 0.23 clients to work with 0.24, I'd assume that means ignoring the protocol changes |
| [04:48:00] | [R]: | wagnerrp: can't it use xml for everyhitng? |
| [04:48:01] | ** Beirdo shakes his fist at this code ** | |
| [04:48:12] | wagnerrp: | [R]: as mentioned, not livetv |
| [04:48:23] | wagnerrp: | and there are some other limitations of the xml interface |
| [04:48:33] | [R]: | couldn't xml be extended for livetv though? |
| [04:48:38] | wagnerrp: | sure, it could be |
| [04:48:43] | [R]: | maybe THAT could be my project |
| [04:48:45] | ** [R] laughs evilly ** | |
| [04:50:32] | [R]: | i have multirec set up... but theres never antying good on overlapping channels |
| [04:50:47] | Beirdo: | Oooooooh! |
| [04:51:00] | Beirdo: | I put #ifdef USING_LIRC |
| [04:51:03] | Beirdo: | you tard! |
| [04:51:09] | Beirdo: | #ifdef USE_LIRC |
| [04:51:17] | Beirdo: | !trout |
| [04:51:17] | ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo ** | |
| [04:51:36] | [R]: | Beirdo: atleast you dind't do something stupid like if (USE_LIRC); |
| [04:51:38] | [R]: | i've done that a few times |
| [04:52:19] | [R]: | would there ever be a reason to put a ; at the end of an if? |
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| [04:53:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:53:22] | Beirdo: | not that I can think of |
| [04:54:27] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [04:54:30] | Beirdo: | yay! |
| [04:56:59] | iamlindoro: | Oh I am dumb... I have been dealing with a typo for the last hour wondering why this fix doesn't completely work |
| [04:57:12] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you and me both, buddy |
| [04:57:13] | iamlindoro: | Lucky number 10 scan... begin |
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| [04:58:12] | Maliuta: | iamlindoro: I have found it easier to produce a channels.conf with w_scan and then import it |
| [04:58:37] | iamlindoro: | Maliuta, Except that will leave you with non-working EIT, and I'm not trying to scan, I'm trying to fix the scanner |
| [04:58:45] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:59:31] | Maliuta: | iamlindoro: the EIT in .au ain't worth it anyhow |
| [05:02:47] | Beirdo: | time to squash these fixes into one patch |
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| [05:05:49] | Beirdo: | 27 files changed, 154 insertions(+), 321 deletions(-) |
| [05:06:30] | [R]: | lol... it takes 1 minute to d/l the listings with --dd-grab-all |
| [05:06:55] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [05:06:59] | Beirdo: | missed a spot |
| [05:07:04] | Beirdo: | in a comment :) |
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| [05:20:14] | wagnerrp: | im other news, the stig test drives... a dinner table... http://gizmodo.com/5632006 |
| [05:20:59] | [R]: | whats this stig stuff i keep reading about |
| [05:21:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:21:15] | wagnerrp: | !url lmgtfy The Stig |
| [05:21:15] | MythLogBot: | lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=The%20Stig |
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| [05:21:55] | [R]: | sounds lame |
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| [05:22:51] | wagnerrp: | hes just the enigmatic professional test drive they use on Top Gear |
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| [05:23:22] | [R]: | sounds like british humor |
| [05:23:50] | kormoc: | He only knows two facts about ducks... and they're both wrong |
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| [05:25:14] | Beirdo: | Aflac! |
| [05:26:23] | Beirdo: | [R]: ummm, it IS British Humour (notice the correct spelling) |
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| [05:26:24] | Beirdo: | BBC is British after all |
| [05:26:36] | [R]: | hence |
| [05:26:41] | [R]: | [10:21:55] [R] sounds lame |
| [05:27:04] | Beirdo: | !trout [R] no taste |
| [05:27:04] | ** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a no taste trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [05:27:05] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:27:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:27:19] | [R]: | a fish that doesnt' taste like fish... |
| [05:28:38] | kormoc: | [R], if watching ungodly expensive cars race around a track destroying the earth one tire screeching minute at a time isn't American, I don't know what is |
| [05:28:54] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:29:01] | [R]: | i'm sure they britishify it |
| [05:29:02] | [R]: | i.e. make it suck |
| [05:29:37] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [05:29:43] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [05:30:28] | Beirdo: | so the BSP is this weekend coming up, right? |
| [05:30:31] | kormoc: | and I bet you're the kind of guy who would get upset at a cheese shop without any cheese |
| [05:30:44] | [R]: | huh? |
| [05:30:47] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [05:30:55] | [R]: | what is a cheese shop... |
| [05:30:55] | Beirdo: | wow. |
| [05:30:56] | kormoc: | Exactly |
| [05:31:08] | Beirdo: | how about lumberjacks... |
| [05:31:28] | Beirdo: | or holy hand grenades |
| [05:31:33] | kormoc: | [R], here, watch someone get hurt and drink your soda like a good american, http://www.reddit.com/tb/davdy |
| [05:31:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: gladiators? |
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| [05:32:02] | Beirdo: | dead parrots? |
| [05:32:04] | [R]: | kormoc: whats wrong with soda? |
| [05:32:53] | ** Beirdo burps ** | |
| [05:33:13] | Beirdo: | OK, that patch from hell is in |
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| [05:43:18] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: how goes the scanner battle? |
| [05:47:37] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, Irritating-- but at least it's producing properly numbered channels now. Still calling non-conflicting channels conflicting, but it's something |
| [05:48:16] | Beirdo: | a step in the right direction |
| [05:48:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:50:30] | Beirdo: | I want it so I can delete recordings from the program listing even if they are active in the job queue (just like if I were playing the file) |
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| [05:58:44] | wagnerrp: | we get a new dev? |
| [06:00:27] | wagnerrp: | !seen knightr |
| [06:00:27] | MythLogBot: | knightr is here and has been idle for 5 hours 7 minutes 53 seconds |
| [06:00:36] | [R]: | does the en_GB translation have stuff like "pip pip cheerio" in it and stuff |
| [06:00:53] | wagnerrp: | i think its more stuff like extra 'u's |
| [06:01:05] | knightr: | ???/ |
| [06:01:18] | wagnerrp: | you have commit access now? |
| [06:01:28] | knightr: | Yep... |
| [06:01:38] | wagnerrp: | congrats |
| [06:01:47] | knightr: | Thanks! |
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| [06:02:28] | Beirdo: | we got two |
| [06:02:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:02:39] | wagnerrp: | who's the other one? |
| [06:02:41] | Beirdo: | kenni as well |
| [06:02:57] | Beirdo: | our translation masters :) |
| [06:03:11] | [R]: | shrinkage |
| [06:03:15] | knightr: | ROTFL... |
| [06:03:16] | [R]: | i love this seinfeld episode |
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| [06:24:09] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [06:24:15] | Beirdo: | what a day |
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| [06:45:27] | bjd_: | mine is just starting :(( |
| [06:45:39] | bjd_: | and it's all going wrong |
| [06:46:03] | Beirdo: | back to bed! |
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| [06:53:17] | Beirdo: | OK, I'm done for the day |
| [06:53:26] | Beirdo: | please no finding bugs while I sleep :) |
| [06:53:57] | wagnerrp: | yes, no one likes bed bugs |
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| [06:57:01] | bjd_: | time to go to the place of fail^W work |
| [06:57:02] | bjd_: | :( |
| [06:59:19] | artus37: | Good morning |
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| [07:00:51] | somethinginteres: | hi all, can someone tell me how I can increase the time out for getting a lock on channels in channel scan? I'm pretty sure that's why myth can't find channels on this fresh install. Thanks |
| [07:07:33] | btwe: | somethinginteres: you can use the switch -5 to multiply timeouts with 5 |
| [07:08:07] | wagnerrp: | that is not a valid command line switch for use with mythtv |
| [07:10:44] | btwe: | sue this works with scan form dvb-utils |
| [07:10:48] | btwe: | sure |
| [07:11:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use `scan` or anything else from dvb-utils |
| [07:11:59] | somethinginteres: | thanks anyway btwe |
| [07:12:36] | wagnerrp: | somethinginteres: you can adjust the card timeouts in the card setup in mythtv-setup |
| [07:13:44] | wagnerrp: | thats the same place where you intially configured the card for mythtv |
| [07:14:24] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: I'll have a look, thanks |
| [07:16:24] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: is that in "myth backend setup" can't seem to find that setting anywhere there |
| [07:16:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [07:18:09] | btwe: | other question: I happen to have one channel, which cannot be played back by mythfrontend, but worked before. When I tune to it, the backend log looks ok, the channel is tuned and s.th. is streamed to the frontend (network load is present), but the frontend screen remains black. I cannot find any error log anywhere. The channel is tunabled on the backend itself (verified using mplayer dvb://). Any hints? |
| [07:18:38] | wagnerrp: | can you schedule a recording on that channel? |
| [07:18:47] | btwe: | yes EIT info is present |
| [07:19:05] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean you schedule a recording, and it successfully records? |
| [07:20:15] | btwe: | I have to test it .... |
| [07:20:33] | wagnerrp: | just add a manual recording, a minute long, starting in a couple minutes |
| [07:22:06] | btwe: | waiting ... |
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| [07:26:51] | btwe: | I have a file. 50MB, but all black |
| [07:27:51] | btwe: | ah no, its not black. playing with maplyer is ok |
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| [07:42:15] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: I'm sorry, you'll have to forgive me here but I can't find any setting in mythtv-setup to adjust timeouts. |
| [07:43:01] | wagnerrp: | do you remember when you defined the card in mythtv? |
| [07:44:05] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: yeah, I think so. You mean (2. Capture Cards) |
| [07:44:37] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [07:44:41] | wagnerrp: | select your capture card there |
| [07:44:48] | somethinginteres: | Ok done |
| [07:44:56] | wagnerrp: | and now you see the timeouts? |
| [07:45:48] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: I see a number of options such as 'default input' 'audio device' etc but no 'timeouts' |
| [07:46:06] | wagnerrp: | why type of card is this? |
| [07:46:18] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: it's a Compro DVBT300 |
| [07:46:46] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: that said, the probed info doesn't state this – it simply says UNKNOW/GENERIC [saa7134] |
| [07:46:47] | wagnerrp: | the timeouts are for digital card |
| [07:46:55] | wagnerrp: | however you have that configured as an analog card |
| [07:47:07] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: ah, I see |
| [07:48:45] | somethinginteres: | wagnerp: hmm I see the setting now and I have change it though 'scan configuration' says "Failed to open card". This is a new install for me, the card was detected and used previously. |
| [07:54:52] | at0m: | somethinginteres: is mythtv user in the video group? is /dev/video* owned by that group? |
| [07:55:37] | at0m: | (only from personal experience where mythtv user couldnt access the card) |
| [07:55:44] | somethinginteres: | at0m: hmm will check |
| [07:56:10] | somethinginteres: | at0m: myth-backend did ask me on first boot to add myself to the mythtv group so I could start mythtv apps but beyond that idk |
| [07:57:02] | at0m: | well, yea, but 'yourself' probably isnt running the mythbackend |
| [07:57:30] | somethinginteres: | at0m: understood. I'm running Ubuntu I'm not 100% sure how to add 'mythtv' to the 'video' group |
| [07:57:34] | at0m: | IIUC, there's a dedicated (mythtv) user for that |
| [07:57:47] | at0m: | man addgroup |
| [07:58:00] | somethinginteres: | at0m: OK will look into this |
| [07:59:25] | at0m: | no need to worry if "ls -alh /dev/video*" has the right group ownership, see also /etc/group |
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| [08:32:42] | justinh: | IMHO some of the default group memberships on ubuntu installs are a bit puzzling |
| [08:33:27] | justinh: | the user & group manager not showing users with UID < 1000 is annoying too |
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| [08:35:50] | justinh: | btw uk peeps.. I forgot about Virgin1 changing its name, but recordings from that channel still seem to be working :-) Now that makes a refreshing change! |
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| [08:36:46] | justinh: | their ad breaks seem to have deviated in length though.. one button 5min skips no longer work. bah |
| [08:41:24] | justinh: | might have to see if logo detection does the biz |
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| [08:52:02] | justinh: | hmm what's with the urgency of people posting photos of their myth boxes on mythtvtalk.com anyway? Does Ludovic get more ad money from Google? :-) |
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| [08:55:53] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: just an update, I had to use modprobe and now the card is seen properly. I changed the timeout to 8000 but it can't seem to get a lock |
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| [08:59:29] | somethinginteres: | at0m: as above, had to use modprobe card is now detected properly but can't get a signal lock on scan with 8000 timeout |
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| [09:01:16] | justinh: | somethinginteres: is this with a FULL scan? |
| [09:02:29] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yep, that's right |
| [09:02:31] | justinh: | somethinginteres: I've run into issues with one of my 'spare' tuner cards & the full scan method. I never got around to finding out exacttly why – but I suspect there was something in the scan code which some device drivers let by & others don't |
| [09:03:06] | justinh: | if you know what frequency one of your transports is on try a full scan (tuned) & enter the frequency etc |
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| [09:05:33] | somethinginteres: | justinh: I think I have an old channels.conf hanging around – maybe I can get that from there? |
| [09:06:09] | justinh: | probably |
| [09:07:21] | justinh: | oh btw there's another timing setting you can try.. the tuning delay – which if you increase it will make scanning slower (because the scanner then waits X milliseconds before trying another frequency) – but may help |
| [09:07:47] | justinh: | didn't help me any with my 'spare' tuner though |
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| [09:10:02] | somethinginteres: | justinh: OK, cool. Just FYI I ah grabbed the number at the start here "ABC HDTV:226500000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ" and tried that as a tuned scan, no dice |
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| [09:19:22] | justinh: | you definitely know the tuner works? try a different app first |
| [09:19:45] | justinh: | saw you had to do a modprobe earlier – but maybe you're also missing firmware – something not uncommon |
| [09:20:03] | justinh: | always use dmesg to check the outcome of the modprobe ;-) |
| [09:20:13] | justinh: | if you're missing the firmware it'll say there |
| [09:20:41] | justinh: | oh boy.. when this is the level of ignorance you're dealing with it's time to block.. "Getting 10.04 running on my Apple TV just did not work and thus I was forced to buy a new mini computer. " |
| [09:24:34] | somethinginteres: | justinh: the tuner had worked in the past yeah, it hasn't worked since I reinstalled Ubuntu, though, it detected it off the bat last time. I'll run through your suggestions – cheers |
| [09:25:07] | justinh: | yeh well last time the firmware may have come with the distro without you ever installing anything extra |
| [09:25:25] | justinh: | they started putting dvb firmwares in their own package a while back |
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| [09:25:37] | justinh: | god, I 'love' ubuntu |
| [09:26:03] | somethinginteres: | justinh: hahaha I hear that a lot :p |
| [09:26:20] | justinh: | not as much as I love search engine whores like Hotfrog though |
| [09:26:25] | justinh: | bloody hijackers |
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| [09:27:58] | somethinginteres: | :) |
| [09:28:08] | somethinginteres: | the modprobe doesn't seem to indicate any issues: http://paste.ubuntu.com/490253/ |
| [09:29:26] | somethinginteres: | I tried running dvbscan for kicks and got "Failed to open frontend" |
| [09:29:34] | justinh: | is that it? |
| [09:29:47] | justinh: | is mythbackend running? |
| [09:30:03] | justinh: | prolly is actually |
| [09:31:02] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yeah it's running. I couldn't find anything else re: the card in dmesg unfortunately |
| [09:31:28] | justinh: | so stop mythbackend then.. it's hogging the tuner :) |
| [09:32:28] | somethinginteres: | justinh: lol.. woops :) |
| [09:38:05] | somethinginteres: | justinh: well I closed mythbackend now I get 'Unable to query frontend status'. The Me-TV program fails to recognise the card either |
| [09:39:33] | justinh: | still sounds like a permissions issue |
| [09:39:51] | justinh: | your user prolly isn't a member of the 'video' group |
| [09:40:13] | justinh: | I 'love' how ubuntu does this.. I mean what default user wouldn't want to access video devices? :-O |
| [09:41:52] | somethinginteres: | jushinh: yeah, that's pretty weird I mean – why? :) |
| [09:43:09] | justinh: | reminds me.. must go round my installs ripping out all the pointless WACOM support too |
| [09:43:19] | justinh: | prolly shave 5 secs off my frontend's boot time |
| [09:44:25] | somethinginteres: | justinh: weird.. ubuntu's GUI for working with groups reported my user as being in the video group but then running 'gpasswd -a myuser video' it reported it was now adding me to the group |
| [09:44:38] | somethinginteres: | justinh: guess I'll log out and see what happens. |
| [09:45:43] | justinh: | oh yeah that's another thing. splitting up xorg.conf. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
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| [10:00:45] | somethinginteres: | justinh: well, I'm a member of all required groups and still no luck, it does seem like a permission issue but not sure what else I can do. It's probably time to get a new card anyway I guess. |
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| [10:11:16] | somethinginteres: | justinh: is there a way to import channels.conf or has that been removed? |
| [10:11:43] | justinh: | no |
| [10:11:53] | justinh: | not that it'll help you anyway since the tuner isn't actually working yet |
| [10:12:20] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yeah, yeah not to worry just curious s'all |
| [10:12:29] | justinh: | I say 'no' because although the function is still there, the end result will be nothing working right |
| [10:12:59] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yeah fair enough |
| [10:13:46] | somethinginteres: | justinh: anyhow I'll just keep going at this, thanks for your help |
| [10:15:24] | justinh: | so the device is owned by the group 'video' yes? |
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| [10:15:40] | justinh: | and your user is in the 'video' group.. then it *should* bloody well work |
| [10:16:21] | justinh: | remember mythbackend will be started automagically, so to use any other app on the device you'll have to stop mythbackend first |
| [10:17:44] | somethinginteres: | hmm not sure if the device is 'owned' by the group video – will have to work out how to check that but yeah my user is in the group |
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| [10:18:06] | somethinginteres: | justinh: so maybe it's ownership is not correct. I'll figure that out now |
| [10:18:35] | justinh: | ls -al /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [10:19:04] | justinh: | all the entries on mine are crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, etc |
| [10:19:24] | justinh: | note the 'video' group there |
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| [10:19:55] | justinh: | grep "yourusername" /etc/group :) |
| [10:20:32] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yep it's the same as yours |
| [10:21:10] | somethinginteres: | let me paste the grep output to the pastebin |
| [10:21:33] | somethinginteres: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/490279/ |
| [10:22:11] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [10:22:29] | justinh: | so there shouldn't be any permissions issues when using dvbscan then |
| [10:22:44] | justinh: | assuming nothing else is using frontend0 |
| [10:23:01] | justinh: | when you think mythbackend is stopped try lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [10:23:22] | justinh: | oh wait.. |
| [10:23:34] | justinh: | backend is running here & I see nothing when I run that |
| [10:25:09] | somethinginteres: | justinh: ah, right. Yeah afaik nothing is using it but I guess something -has- to be |
| [10:25:35] | justinh: | ah lsof |grep /dvb |
| [10:26:29] | somethinginteres: | justinh: getting nothing returned |
| [10:26:36] | justinh: | make that sudo lsof |grep /dvb |
| [10:26:41] | justinh: | jees |
| [10:27:37] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yep that's with sudo |
| [10:27:57] | justinh: | so, nowt is using it |
| [10:29:13] | somethinginteres: | justinh: sorry not sure if nowt is a typo. Yeah nothing is returned with sudo so.. |
| [10:29:44] | justinh: | nowt is a colloquialism ;) |
| [10:29:48] | justinh: | meaning nothing |
| [10:29:57] | justinh: | literally nothing I mean :) |
| [10:30:01] | justinh: | as in nada |
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| [10:31:04] | somethinginteres: | justinh: ok I just ran scan vs 'dvbscan' and it is now running and I've got a bunch of channel info returned |
| [10:32:00] | justinh: | right, so that proves the hardware :) |
| [10:32:20] | justinh: | <stuck record> half the battle is knowing your hardware is good to begin with |
| [10:32:36] | somethinginteres: | junstinh: yeah :) |
| [10:33:23] | justinh: | when I started out with mythtv it wouldn't have made any difference if I'd gone with a mythtv-based distro. I was firmly in 'oh dear you've got to patch the kernel' land |
| [10:34:14] | somethinginteres: | justinh: haha |
| [10:34:48] | justinh: | back then there was no DVB scanning in mythtv at all |
| [10:35:11] | justinh: | you had to add every channel yourself, frequency, PID etc.. pretty laborious |
| [10:35:15] | somethinginteres: | justinh: that's commitment right there. I can understand I love me some TV :) |
| [10:36:05] | justinh: | now, if I'd been using ubuntu & was lazy like I am now.. I don't think I'd have persevered with it |
| [10:36:50] | somethinginteres: | justinh: :) Let me just check the version that ubuntu has in synaptic. Knowing how slow they add new versions of stuff it's probably way old |
| [10:37:05] | justinh: | they probably say '0.23' |
| [10:37:26] | justinh: | but it's actually a pre-release 0.23.. what was *going* to be 0.23. It has bugs the real 0.23 doesn't have |
| [10:37:47] | justinh: | that's if you use the official ubuntu repo.. not if you're using mythbuntu repos |
| [10:38:01] | somethinginteres: | justinh: ah, I see. yeah it says 0.23.1 |
| [10:38:32] | justinh: | ah that might be ok then |
| [10:39:30] | justinh: | what?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!1one |
| [10:39:47] | justinh: | There's talk of Glenn Beck running for El Prez? |
| [10:40:00] | justinh: | you cannot be serious |
| [10:40:24] | somethinginteres: | justinh: haha I'd believe it |
| [10:42:32] | justinh: | people said Reagan was insane. That'll look like nothing compared to him |
| [10:46:21] | justinh: | anybody who cried crocodile tears on their own TV news show should be taken out & shot IMHO :D |
| [10:46:48] | somethinginteres: | lol |
| [10:47:34] | somethinginteres: | justin: so now the 'scan' app has worked, what should I do? File a bug or.. |
| [10:47:55] | justinh: | try mythtv-setup again |
| [10:48:28] | somethinginteres: | justinh: OK I'll start over and see what happens |
| [10:54:50] | somethinginteres: | justinh: yeah same as before, No Lock |
| [10:56:49] | justinh: | see any output from mythtv-setup when you're scanning? |
| [10:57:00] | justinh: | i.e. in the terminal you run it from? |
| [10:58:07] | somethinginteres: | justinh: nope, nothing |
| [10:59:48] | justinh: | this tuner of yours.. it's not an avermedia one is it? |
| [11:00:02] | justinh: | i.e. the 'Super 007' model |
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| [11:01:04] | wondra: | Greetings to all. I've come for help (what else). |
| [11:01:32] | wondra: | I'm having a weird problem with stuttering in MythTV. |
| [11:01:48] | justinh: | mythfrontend -v playback |
| [11:02:00] | justinh: | that might give you clues as to what's going wrong |
| [11:02:15] | wondra: | And the weirdness in it is that the CPU is not overloaded, but underused. |
| [11:02:32] | wondra: | LiveTV works OK, recordings and video do not. |
| [11:02:34] | somethinginteres: | justinh: Don't think so.. It's a Compro Videomate DVB-T300 |
| [11:02:53] | justinh: | CPU monitoring utils rarely have enough resolution to catch the kind of duration of spike which causes playback issues |
| [11:03:12] | wondra: | BUT when I run some network traffic (ping -f), the video plays fluently. |
| [11:03:24] | justinh: | wondra: system specs.. what sort of 'video' are we talking about? |
| [11:03:32] | wondra: | I'm suspecting something with interrupts and cpuidle |
| [11:03:48] | justinh: | and fwiw if you use ATI or Nvidia, you really should be using their own propriatary drivers |
| [11:04:12] | wondra: | system is some PentiumIII/Celeron, 384MB RAM, a Radeon card not supported by nonfree drivers |
| [11:04:22] | justinh: | oof |
| [11:04:29] | justinh: | what speed? |
| [11:04:37] | wondra: | 950MHz. |
| [11:04:48] | justinh: | hrm. |
| [11:04:49] | wondra: | video is DVB-T SDTV |
| [11:05:07] | wondra: | VLC plays recordings OK. and it worked before. |
| [11:05:15] | justinh: | before what? |
| [11:05:19] | wondra: | ..even in mythTV. |
| [11:05:30] | wondra: | but I couldn't retrace what changed. |
| [11:06:10] | wondra: | except maybe the database got corrupted. can it have such consequences? I already ran a repair. |
| [11:06:51] | btwe: | wondra: does your system start paging? 384MB is not that much, I think. I could manage to start mythfronend on a 256MB Ram system |
| [11:07:05] | btwe: | I could not ... |
| [11:07:12] | justinh: | yeah I'd choose at *least* 512MB |
| [11:07:32] | justinh: | you're pushing it with less |
| [11:07:51] | wondra: | no more chips lying around. but I don't thing RAM is the problem. |
| [11:08:22] | justinh: | I think it is |
| [11:09:12] | wondra: | there really is nothing else running. only Xorg, Apache and Mysql. |
| [11:09:12] | justinh: | there's a fallacy that running mythtv on old hardware is a good idea. welcome to the reality of it :) |
| [11:10:51] | wondra: | the PC normally plays LiveTV with CPU load of 60% and no paging. |
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| [11:18:24] | justinh: | do much commflagging or transcoding? |
| [11:18:34] | wondra: | no. |
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| [11:19:43] | justinh: | I bet you don't :D |
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| [11:26:05] | wondra: | in the log, i see errors like: |
| [11:26:07] | wondra: | 2010-09–08 13:12:27.873 NVP(0): Video is 6.84567 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up. |
| [11:26:10] | wondra: | 2010-09–08 13:12:27.877 NVP(0): prebuffering pause |
| [11:26:13] | wondra: | 2010-09–08 13:12:27.878 NVP(0): Waiting for prebuffer.. 0 LLAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| [11:26:22] | stuartm: | RDV_Linux: does the tvdb script parse the category data? |
| [11:26:35] | wondra: | so nothing interesting. |
| [11:27:14] | wondra: | CPU usage is 20%, no swapping |
| [11:27:48] | wondra: | data is read from NFS, but i doubt it's the problem, because VLC plays fine |
| [11:28:14] | stuartm: | RDV_Linux: nevermind, seems we have two textareas for that stuff and I was getting them confused |
| [11:28:30] | wondra: | with livetv, there are only a few errors at the beginning then it plays ok, load is 60% |
| [11:28:57] | justinh: | livetv & recording using the same storage? |
| [11:29:22] | wondra: | yes |
| [11:31:22] | wondra: | and there is the matter of constant pings making the video fluent |
| [11:32:44] | wondra: | ..has anyone experienced problems with dynticks, cpuidle and such things? I already tried nohz=off on kernel command line, but I don't think it did anything. idle=poll raised CPU temperature, but that was all. |
| [11:32:55] | justinh: | this NFS then... over wired or wireless? |
| [11:34:12] | wondra: | wired, switched 100Mb/s |
| [11:35:57] | wondra: | in midnight commander, the data rate is something over 5MB/s |
| [11:36:53] | bjd_: | are you able to copy the file locally to eliminate nfs? |
| [11:37:39] | wondra: | the hard drive only has 4GB. so in the long term, no. |
| [11:37:46] | bjd_: | but as a quick test |
| [11:38:20] | wondra: | i will try. |
| [11:39:26] | justinh: | I dunno how pinging could actually improve traffic throughput... |
| [11:39:35] | justinh: | maybe your switch is junk |
| [11:40:14] | wondra: | in fact, it is, but it has not yet shown any junky qualities :-) |
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| [11:41:19] | justinh: | and then I dunno why livetv would act differently to a recording.. livetv IS a recording after all |
| [11:43:00] | wondra: | the hypothesis is that recording from the DVB card on USB is causing periodic interrupts, as well as network traffic |
| [11:43:36] | justinh: | ugh. usb tuner too? |
| [11:43:47] | justinh: | just keeps getting worse :) |
| [11:44:40] | btwe: | wondra: livetv works: data written to NFS is still in caches. recording do not work: nfs is too slow to read data. see log msg "waiting for prebuffer" |
| [11:47:44] | stuartm: | usb tuners aren't that bad :) |
| [11:48:33] | justinh: | next up – an announcement they're using a USB network interface |
| [11:49:07] | justinh: | stuartm: my beef is with USB, not USB tuners as such |
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| [11:51:28] | wondra: | i concur, but what else is available? the pci dvb-t are a different price-range. |
| [11:52:21] | stuartm: | wondra: the backend is local to the frontend and storage is remote? |
| [11:53:01] | stuartm: | even some of the PCI devices are USB |
| [11:53:16] | wondra: | frontend+backend on the machine next to the TV, storage remote. |
| [11:53:20] | stuartm: | just just have their own controller on the card |
| [11:54:00] | stuartm: | wondra: ah, so you can't use mythtv's streaming which probably would have helped :/ |
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| [11:55:23] | stuartm: | fwiw it sounds like either the cpu or network power management are to blame |
| [11:56:00] | stuartm: | but since a 950Mhz processor is far too old to have any power management capabilities, it's probably the latter? |
| [11:58:32] | stuartm: | just for the sake of curiousity, can you pastebin the output of lsusb and lspci ? |
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| [12:11:03] | btwe: | wondra: where is your NFS storage? And who is using this too. I bet, NFS reads are too slow. Have a look at iostat or collectl. And try to find out rw performances with bonnie or dd. Make sure to rw huge files to saturate the buffers. |
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| [12:14:55] | wondra: | the NFS server is mostly idle, an Atom motherboard running Linux. reads speeds good. |
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| [12:15:35] | wondra: | what do you mean, network power management? |
| [12:16:58] | wondra: | lspci output is too long. someone would kick me if i pasted that. |
| [12:19:35] | justinh: | that's what pastebins are for |
| [12:21:16] | btwe: | The log clearly says "Waiting for prebuffer" Data is coming too slow!! Find that bottleneck. Make sure no swapping occurs and forget about power management stuff imho. |
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| [12:22:18] | bjd_: | mm |
| [12:22:28] | bjd_: | an atom is a brave choice for an NFS server IMO |
| [12:23:40] | Gibby: | Can anyone help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/632756 |
| [12:24:18] | wondra: | http://pastebin.com/ZP5sUeA0 |
| [12:26:52] | wondra: | bjd_: is gives about 20MB/s on the gigabit interface.. |
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| [14:24:35] | justinh: | oo dvb-t2 tuners announced at last |
| [14:26:02] | wondra: | and I've solved my problem. irqpoll did the job; wasted a whole day figuring it out. |
| [14:26:16] | justinh: | weird |
| [14:26:28] | justinh: | any idea what chipset your motherboard is? |
| [14:27:13] | wondra: | some Intel 82815 |
| [14:27:19] | justinh: | pfft. usual crap in the article about the freeview hd tuner.. multiple tuners required to watch/record more than one thing at a time. Wuhahahahaha WHAT TOSH |
| [14:27:20] | wondra: | according to lspci |
| [14:28:23] | justinh: | and 'freeview hd at up to 1280x720p' ? Meh. Thought it was 1440x1080i |
| [14:28:24] | wondra: | all the pci cards were on the same interrupt no matter what I did (pci=routeirq, acpi_route_irq) |
| [14:28:50] | justinh: | nasty. I thought the days where we had to mess about with all that jazz were long gone |
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| [14:32:36] | wondra: | about 10 years in the past? that would be what I have here :-) |
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| [14:34:57] | stuartm: | justinh: article? |
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| [14:36:16] | justinh: | grr can't copy the link across from my freenx.. gimme a sec |
| [14:36:58] | justinh: | http://www.wegotserved.com/2010/09/06/ifa-201 . . . -data-sheet/ |
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| [14:37:28] | justinh: | <3 screen for making that possible |
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| [14:44:39] | justinh: | so, t2 tuner comes out in October.. when will there be support in the kernel? Prace bet now! |
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| [14:45:21] | iamlindoro: | Answers to be in the form of decade. Begin. |
| [14:46:02] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:46:21] | ** justinh readies a case of beer to send to mkrufky or whomever ** | |
| [14:48:45] | justinh: | hmmm.. wonder what OS this screenshot was running on.. http://www.wegotserved.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nano4.png |
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| [14:50:58] | justinh: | OMG MythTV got a mention on El Reg! |
| [14:51:00] | justinh: | :-O |
| [14:51:26] | justinh: | umm, is that like being slashdotted? ;-) |
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| [15:15:32] | dewman: | is there a way to manually add a channel? For some reason my hdhr can find the channel but when i do a scan in mythtv it doesnt find the channel. |
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| [15:17:48] | dewman: | The channel that I am missing is A&EHD 78_1 But the weird thing is that Natgeo which is 78 is found. |
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| [15:21:29] | Gibby: | Anyone good with PCI sata cards for linux in here?... Or ever have any issues you fixed with them? |
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| [15:23:44] | johnnyj_: | so are the jump point targets hard coded or can new ones be created easily? |
| [15:24:01] | johnnyj_: | or both? |
| [15:24:02] | dewman: | I think i figured it out, I went into the channel scanner and changed to the channel that was missing as the starting point and then made the ending point 2 channels higher and it found A&E. |
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| [15:38:42] | CyberWorld: | is mythtv a good linux app to capture vhs content to digital format? |
| [15:40:14] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not a good choice for that |
| [15:40:33] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is designed for scheduled television airings, and handling the recordings of those automatically |
| [15:40:46] | iamlindoro: | analog->digital conversion is better handled with some other, simpler app |
| [15:49:03] | CyberWorld: | any recommendations? |
| [15:49:56] | CyberWorld: | sorry for the lag someone stopped by |
| [15:52:17] | CyberWorld: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
| [15:53:00] | CyberWorld: | I was thinking of one of those devices for caputure what would be best for vhs AND work with linux |
| [15:53:35] | justinh: | far easier to borrow a DVD recorder, record to DVD then rip :) |
| [15:53:38] | CyberWorld: | Hauppauge manufactur |
| [15:53:49] | CyberWorld: | thought of that |
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| [15:54:12] | justinh: | or if you have a DV camcorder sometimes you can digitise audio & video through that & capture over firewire |
| [15:54:21] | justinh: | I've done that before – great results too |
| [15:54:36] | justinh: | but not for commercial VHS tapes of course |
| [15:54:48] | CyberWorld: | It's very hard to fing a S-VHS player these days |
| [15:54:58] | CyberWorld: | doing this for my godmother of her kids |
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| [15:55:20] | justinh: | just want tapes turned to DVDs? |
| [15:55:37] | justinh: | buy a DVD recorder. Seriously |
| [15:55:38] | jams: | goodwill stores have lots of s-vhs players |
| [15:55:42] | CyberWorld: | was going to put them onto 2 TB external drives |
| [15:55:45] | CyberWorld: | lots of tapes |
| [15:55:50] | CyberWorld: | she doesn't want dvds |
| [15:56:01] | justinh: | she wants HDDs? :-O |
| [15:56:19] | CyberWorld: | but maybe I can do dvds rib and make directorys for them and have them play them with vlc selecting the directory |
| [15:56:45] | CyberWorld: | do they make gold dvd like they do cds |
| [15:56:56] | CyberWorld: | last supposedly 300 years |
| [15:57:00] | justinh: | capture in the least lossy format possible, then convert to whatever format you'll be storing in |
| [15:57:04] | CyberWorld: | how they tested that I don't know :P |
| [15:57:11] | justinh: | no recordable media will ever last that long in real world conditions |
| [15:57:35] | CyberWorld: | what format justinh |
| [15:57:45] | CyberWorld: | that is one thing I've been researching |
| [15:57:47] | justinh: | what do you mean what format? |
| [15:57:58] | dewman: | cds and dvds only last about 3 minutes in my house....My 2 year old has a dvd/cd magnet in his fingers |
| [15:57:59] | justinh: | to store them in? whatever you want |
| [15:58:19] | CyberWorld: | no I mean like .avi .mpg etc |
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| [15:58:52] | justinh: | pointless encoding VHS to any more than about 352x288 IMHO |
| [15:59:18] | CyberWorld: | yeah and these are like ~30 years old some may break or be real bad |
| [15:59:26] | justinh: | but if you capture in one format then transcode it to something else.. oof |
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| [15:59:42] | justinh: | btw there is NO point seeking out an svhs deck if all the tapes are VHS |
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| [16:00:08] | CyberWorld: | exactly justinh I want the best output device and encode in the best lossy format |
| [16:00:10] | justinh: | with true svhs recordings the colour information is stored differently |
| [16:00:29] | CyberWorld: | I'm not sure if they are svhs or vhs |
| [16:00:30] | justinh: | so with ordinary VHS tapes an SVHS deck will give you NO advantage |
| [16:01:07] | wondra: | CyberWorld: what about huffyuv? lossless compression, low cpu usage. |
| [16:01:16] | justinh: | massive files :) |
| [16:01:24] | CyberWorld: | but I want to get svhs to play them to the capture card or just use a vhs to dvd device and rip like you said |
| [16:01:28] | iamlindoro: | defunct, dead format... |
| [16:01:44] | iamlindoro: | Presumably he wants the resulting files to be playable somewhere |
| [16:01:45] | CyberWorld: | I'm not sure what the tapes are |
| [16:01:54] | justinh: | CyberWorld: I keep saying svhs will give you NO advantage over a VHS machine if they're only VHS to start with |
| [16:02:12] | iamlindoro: | Going from VHS->HuffyUV is like disembarking the Titanic for the Lusitania |
| [16:02:15] | CyberWorld: | and I know she doesn't know either just some camcoder she had 35–20 years ago |
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| [16:02:45] | wondra: | I always digitize to huffyuv, then do effects like crop, resize, deinterlace and compress to MPEG2, H.264 ... |
| [16:03:59] | wondra: | gives the best quality. |
| [16:04:02] | CyberWorld: | this is like possibly 50 2–8 hours so that might be ALOT of work wondra but maybe I'll do that |
| [16:04:17] | CyberWorld: | 50 tabes she didn't know off hand |
| [16:05:14] | wondra: | it takes about 3 times the playing time, that's true. but if one had 3 PCs, he could pipeline.. |
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| [16:07:48] | CyberWorld: | so what capture hardware and linux software |
| [16:08:02] | CyberWorld: | I'd hate to have to reboot into win 7 to do this |
| [16:08:04] | wondra: | CyberWorld: if I may blasphemise a little, try VirtualVCR on Windows |
| [16:08:22] | CyberWorld: | lol timing ;) |
| [16:08:39] | CyberWorld: | I like Linux so much more then windows |
| [16:08:43] | wondra: | VLC will work as well |
| [16:09:17] | CyberWorld: | yeah I was going to recommend them to use vlc to play the dir of a dvd if on a external harddrive |
| [16:09:55] | CyberWorld: | is Hauppauge the hardware I want |
| [16:09:58] | wondra: | ..but it usually doesn't have any lossless formats. |
| [16:10:03] | CyberWorld: | I've dug and dug on the net |
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| [16:11:03] | CyberWorld: | I've seen just usb cable adapters but then my cpu would be used would rather use a optimized card for encoding |
| [16:11:16] | CyberWorld: | I do have a quadcore with 4GB of ram though |
| [16:11:27] | Beirdo: | PVR-250 would likely be the best bet |
| [16:11:36] | Beirdo: | too bad you can't buy em easily anymore |
| [16:11:50] | CyberWorld: | is the PVR-500 better or just a higher number??? |
| [16:11:51] | Beirdo: | straight to MPEG-2 |
| [16:11:57] | wondra: | take an analog tv tuner on sale, says I |
| [16:12:00] | Beirdo: | the -500 is a dual channel |
| [16:12:13] | Beirdo: | so same thing, twice over :) |
| [16:12:39] | Beirdo: | the -150 was a newer model, very similar to the -250 |
| [16:12:44] | wondra: | ..I have a Genius card here. works OK for VHS video. |
| [16:13:06] | CyberWorld: | is going to MPEG-2 with such low quality source really going to make a big loss? |
| [16:13:09] | Beirdo: | all of those (with ivtv driver) make it as simple as "cat /dev/video > file.mpg" |
| [16:13:30] | wondra: | no. |
| [16:13:37] | Beirdo: | not likely, it can be set to DVD quality rates |
| [16:13:44] | CyberWorld: | another issue I'm thinking is how do you know when to have it stop |
| [16:13:53] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [16:14:11] | wondra: | but it'b bad to capture directly to it if you want to do some precision editing or filtering |
| [16:14:13] | Beirdo: | you'll have that issue no matter what |
| [16:14:15] | CyberWorld: | is ivtv driver in the 10.04 ubuntu kernel? |
| [16:14:24] | Beirdo: | should be |
| [16:14:30] | Beirdo: | pretty sure it is |
| [16:15:37] | Beirdo: | and there's avidemux for editing (much like virtualdub in Windows), but I'm not sure if it's been maintained since I last used it |
| [16:15:38] | CyberWorld: | I wonder if I should just go the easy route make dvds of every tape with dual vhs/dvdr device |
| [16:15:50] | CyberWorld: | then just rip dvd to harddrive |
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| [16:15:57] | Beirdo: | that would likely be simplest, yes |
| [16:16:18] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [16:16:33] | ** Beirdo sighs... missed the dang bus again ** | |
| [16:16:39] | wondra: | avidemux is being updated often and has since outgrown virtualdub |
| [16:16:52] | CyberWorld: | Hauppauge HD PVR High Definition Personal Video Recorder 1212 USB 2.0 Interface |
| [16:17:03] | CyberWorld: | how does that compare with the card 250? |
| [16:17:09] | Beirdo: | CyberWorld: that gives H.264 |
| [16:17:25] | Beirdo: | smaller files, but harder to playback without more CPU |
| [16:17:27] | CyberWorld: | overkill? |
| [16:17:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's meant primarily for capture of HDTV off of component cables |
| [16:18:00] | Beirdo: | although it will do SD |
| [16:18:26] | Beirdo: | I think it lets you use cat /dev/video > file too. |
| [16:18:34] | Beirdo: | I just never tried with mine |
| [16:18:50] | mythlove_: | Greetings, Program... |
| [16:18:50] | CyberWorld: | these files have to play on a mac to that is one of her worries but she doesn't really understand that most formats can be played on mac/win/linux |
| [16:18:55] | CyberWorld: | bsd |
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| [16:19:21] | Beirdo: | well, depends on what you call a mac |
| [16:19:33] | Beirdo: | if it's a Mac Classic... good luck |
| [16:19:35] | CyberWorld: | os x I presume they have |
| [16:20:07] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd expect little issue there, but I don't have a current mac to deal with |
| [16:20:12] | CyberWorld: | how is vlc in mac os x |
| [16:20:30] | CyberWorld: | I've only used it in windows and linux and it's my player of choice |
| [16:20:45] | mythlove_: | the dvd rips are not showing up in the video recordings...have tried creating storage group, but this did not work. |
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| [16:21:54] | Beirdo: | woohoo... git auto-ran git gc on me |
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| [16:27:56] | ThisOtherGuy: | hey all – just wanted to mention that I think Myth is awesome |
| [16:29:02] | wondra: | Yes it is! It offers way more then any windows software. In features and time spent servicing it :-) |
| [16:29:31] | ericbgsu: | could anyone help me out, I've been thinking of building a htpc with myth...but there are other services like boxee/xbmc....how well do they integrate into myth in terms of user experience |
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| [16:29:54] | ericbgsu: | like, I don't want to feel like i'm on a computer all the time, just want to use a remote |
| [16:30:08] | wondra: | If I'm not mistaken, Xbmc allows you to watch recordings from MythTV over UPNP |
| [16:30:20] | AndyCap: | wondra: that has ... problems. |
| [16:30:24] | wondra: | no LiveTV. |
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| [16:30:41] | AndyCap: | wondra: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/450307 |
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| [16:31:00] | ericbgsu: | i'm not sold on anything really..just know i want a pvr..then have access to something like boxxee,xbmc |
| [16:31:45] | anykey__: | ericbgsu: you won't feel like you're on a computer with MythTV |
| [16:31:46] | AndyCap: | ericbgsu: for doing what? |
| [16:31:52] | kormoc: | ericbgsu, you can add them to your menus just fine, but it's not really integrated percey |
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| [16:32:17] | mythlove_: | media library > watch videos > "there's nothing here, have ripped a few dvds." |
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| [16:33:32] | ericbgsu: | like say I'm in mythtv system...i want to access boxxee/xbmc/whatever...would i have to exit the whole mythtv system? I know it has to stay running in some form for handling the pvr work |
| [16:33:59] | wondra: | mythlove_: in watch videos, if you press "m", there should be an option to refresh the view. does it help? |
| [16:34:00] | AndyCap: | ericbgsu: no, myth has two parts, frontend, and backend. |
| [16:34:18] | AndyCap: | ericbgsu: the backend can even run on a different machine. |
| [16:35:10] | ericbgsu: | frontend = gui, backend = system services? |
| [16:35:23] | AndyCap: | ericbgsu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Introduction |
| [16:35:38] | AndyCap: | ericbgsu: yes. and backend(s) are where the tuners would be connected. |
| [16:37:03] | ericbgsu: | i got as far installing the server on laptop (then it overheated and the wifi died...) so I stopped, it looked promising...i'm just trying to figure out if it's something I'll have to tinker with all the time just to watch tv and record shows |
| [16:37:39] | justinh: | boxee. MEH |
| [16:37:43] | ThisOtherGuy: | ericbgsu: My experience is that myth is a hobby not a "Set it and forget it" kind of solution |
| [16:38:07] | justinh: | what isall the fuss about with boxee? just can't see it |
| [16:38:17] | justinh: | ThisOtherGuy: ORLY? lol |
| [16:38:21] | ericbgsu: | yeah...i'm a programmer...don't really want to work when i want to watch tv |
| [16:39:00] | ericbgsu: | well...really don't want the girlfriend calling me ever 10 minutes so she can watch tv |
| [16:39:10] | justinh: | LOL |
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| [16:40:44] | ThisOtherGuy: | ericbgsu: I have a box that my wife can use with minimal fuss, but I find that I'm tending to it on a regular basis |
| [16:40:51] | mythlove_: | thanks wondra! that worked...3 things showed up... |
| [16:41:40] | wondra: | Sharing ratio back to 1.00! (sorry, torrent habits) :-) |
| [16:41:46] | ericbgsu: | regular basis = daily,weekly? |
| [16:42:01] | justinh: | I can go *months* without having to tend my myth system. some people must be doing something wrong :-) |
| [16:42:07] | ericbgsu: | she wants a tivo...and I can't see spending that much on something |
| [16:42:16] | justinh: | get Tivo. She can pay |
| [16:42:17] | justinh: | :D |
| [16:42:24] | wondra: | get a TROSC. |
| [16:43:04] | ThisOtherGuy: | ericbgsu: daily – but I also enjoy the tinkering |
| [16:43:11] | justinh: | daily? heheh |
| [16:43:21] | justinh: | what sort of stuff are you having to mess with every day? :-O |
| [16:43:37] | ** justinh puts a bet on OS level stuff, not mythtv itself ** | |
| [16:44:31] | justinh: | poop, if I ever had to spend more than an hour every 6 months on running this I'd sharpish look for something else |
| [16:44:31] | ThisOtherGuy: | justinh: I svn up / recompile / etc about 1x/week, I make sure that the schedules make sense, check that everything recorded properly, diskspace, etc |
| [16:44:38] | justinh: | meh |
| [16:44:50] | justinh: | running trunk.. yeah I bet you do |
| [16:45:08] | bjd_: | daily? |
| [16:45:09] | justinh: | so what you're saying is you're always messing with it.. not that you *have* to :) |
| [16:45:11] | bjd_: | :/ |
| [16:45:27] | ThisOtherGuy: | justinh: correct :-) |
| [16:45:39] | justinh: | glad we got that clarification out of you ;-) |
| [16:46:01] | wondra: | do I mis something when I install MythBuntu 10.4 and NEVER update it? |
| [16:46:06] | ThisOtherGuy: | my biggest issue that I *have* to deal with is that hdpvr recordings fail ~ 1x/week |
| [16:46:12] | justinh: | turn on autoexpire.. explain to mrs that she can't be a file squirrel... |
| [16:46:52] | justinh: | we get the occasional failed recording, but not since I took out a stupid kernel hack I had in to get the nvidia driver to work on my backend |
| [16:47:03] | ThisOtherGuy: | justinh: I squirrel more than she does :p |
| [16:47:08] | justinh: | vmcalloc.. blech |
| [16:47:27] | justinh: | in most *sane* situations mythtv generally just runs & runs & runs |
| [16:47:41] | justinh: | hdpvr is still a bit edgy I think |
| [16:48:00] | justinh: | but if you wanna record yer premium HDTV it's that or the tivo |
| [16:48:21] | mythlove_: | how do I remove Storage Groups? Only have a standalone system...going into setup and backspacing still leaves "/" |
| [16:51:00] | ericbgsu: | was looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220021 good choice to record/playback hd ? |
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| [17:00:09] | ericbgsu: | . |
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| [17:04:52] | iamlindoro: | Nice to see my QAM tuners starting to be used again-- all summer it's just been shows on premium channels, so HD-PVR only |
| [17:05:33] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [17:15:42] | ** Beirdo knocks on wood... no more bugs today, please :) ** | |
| [17:15:52] | Beirdo: | we have enough already to track down |
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| [17:17:52] | wagnerrp: | mythlove_: why do you want to stop using storage groups? |
| [17:19:23] | wagnerrp: | wondra: discussion of torrenting is not allowed in here |
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| [17:20:51] | mythlove_: | it's a standalone system...I believe the default settings should work? |
| [17:21:12] | mythlove_: | I was able to delete them by pressing "d" fyi... |
| [17:21:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, but why do you feel it necessary to not use storage groups? |
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| [17:23:27] | mythlove_: | Right now, am trying to figure out why dvd rips were not showing up in Watch Videos...tried adding storage groups...that did not work, so wanted to take a step back. |
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| [17:23:45] | wagnerrp: | what kind of rip? video file or ISO? |
| [17:23:57] | mythlove_: | I've tried both now. |
| [17:24:17] | wagnerrp: | ISOs do not work in 0.23 over storage groups, they do work in trunk |
| [17:24:32] | mythlove_: | 2 out of 3 isos are showing up...yahoo...but they do not play...and no thumb nails or metadata. |
| [17:24:53] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are the preferred method of use of content |
| [17:24:59] | mythlove_: | I made an avi yesterday of the dvd...it's not there either.... |
| [17:24:59] | wagnerrp: | even when using a stand alone machine |
| [17:25:08] | justinh: | you don't get metadata by accident :) |
| [17:25:34] | justinh: | mythtv isn't like some other media centres which just goes off & rapes a site |
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| [17:25:58] | wagnerrp: | scanning must be done manually though the 'm' menu |
| [17:26:04] | mythlove_: | how would I go about snagging some metadata? |
| [17:26:07] | wagnerrp: | metadata grabbing must be done manually by pressing 'w' |
| [17:26:09] | Beirdo: | nah, we seduce them |
| [17:26:23] | mythlove_: | ok...brb..will press w. |
| [17:26:45] | iamlindoro: | Weird, Iron.Man.2.Axx0.L0L.Just4Fun isn't found |
| [17:26:46] | justinh: | it'd sure be great if all these operational instructions were in written form somewhere... |
| [17:27:01] | iamlindoro: | justinh: alas! that would probably take some idiot hours/days to write! |
| [17:27:40] | justinh: | aye, alas! That would probably be a partly wasted effort since people would figure they could just ask in IRC instead |
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| [17:27:58] | justinh: | ;) |
| [17:28:29] | wagnerrp: | mythlove_: in 0.23, storage groups are the preferred setup method for everything but ISOs |
| [17:28:38] | wagnerrp: | and in upcoming 0.24, it is the preferred method for those too |
| [17:29:04] | justinh: | wagnerrp: but what about mkvs? ;-) |
| [17:29:05] | wagnerrp: | its likely that the purpose and use of locally accessed content will change for 0.25 |
| [17:29:34] | wagnerrp: | justinh: that falls under 'everything but ISOs' doesnt it? |
| [17:32:01] | mythlove_: | "w" worked...thanks...however, no thumbnails...and the main video won't play...read about using xine -pfhq --no-log dvd://%s |
| [17:32:24] | justinh: | also external apps won't work with storage groups |
| [17:32:30] | wagnerrp: | external players should not be used, and cannot be used with storage groups anyway |
| [17:32:57] | wagnerrp: | one more thing that will probably change in 0.25 |
| [17:33:06] | justinh: | rats. trying to find out when the new Tony Blair type film is on BBC.. seen it trailed but mythweb doesn't have it yet |
| [17:34:18] | wagnerrp: | someone on mythtvtalk went back to 0.21 because 0.23 was too unstable |
| [17:34:19] | mythlove_: | btw...which distro would you recommend? I have been using knoppmyth/Linhes |
| [17:35:20] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I was going to reply further to that thread but after reading that the guy went out & bought a new box cos he couldn't install ubuntu 10.04 on his appletv.. I thought better of it ;) |
| [17:35:40] | justinh: | mythlove_: use whatever you're most comfortable with. end of story |
| [17:35:47] | justinh: | the best distro is: |
| [17:35:50] | justinh: | whatever you want |
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| [17:37:56] | wagnerrp: | janneg: any decision on mythffmpeg? |
| [17:39:05] | justinh: | gah September 18th is when The Special Relationship airs |
| [17:42:02] | justinh: | stoopid free uk_rt :-\ |
| [17:42:11] | janneg: | wagnerrp: I haven't spent time on trying to solve the naming problem. and strictly speaking it's to late now for 0.24 |
| [17:42:40] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [17:43:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | justinh, I have a solution to allowing external apps to use SG-located files if we want to allow those. :) I tested a preload lib that would intercept the open()/close()/read()/seek()/etc. calls to allow an external app to use a file on a SG on a remote host. it needs refinement and tweaking, but it is doable. |
| [17:44:11] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: sshh! |
| [17:44:18] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [17:45:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, it's not something I want to do either, but something like that may be necessary for us to play remote encrypted DVDs (/dev/dvd or a .iso) since we don't distribute libdvdcss which uses its own file access routines. |
| [17:46:35] | mythlove_: | I have to ask something you will find crazy...or insane...ready? |
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| [17:47:26] | mythlove_: | this myth box is for mom and husband...they hit the ceiling if there is any bad language.... |
| [17:47:47] | mythlove_: | so, they have asked if there's some way to put bleeps or remove bad language from shows. |
| [17:48:10] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [17:48:36] | dewman: | you can have them watch nothing but G-rated material, or just tell them to go live in a cave. |
| [17:48:51] | mythlove_: | anything out there like the subtitle downloads that would insert bleeps when the cursing explodes? |
| [17:49:09] | AndyCap: | mythlove_: they can use the edit fumction |
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| [17:49:39] | AndyCap: | so they would only have to hear it once. :) |
| [17:49:54] | wagnerrp: | it probably wouldnt be difficult to add a markup option to add a half second bleep or mute |
| [17:50:04] | dewman: | if they are that concerned about language then they shouldnt be watching tv. |
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| [17:50:25] | wagnerrp: | but you would still have to write something else which would scan the audio and find the bad language |
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| [17:51:16] | AndyCap: | its hardly the f*** or mo*********** that is the poison in modern tv :) |
| [17:52:26] | wagnerrp: | not to mention those make it instantly 'R' |
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| [17:53:51] | wagnerrp: | you can use the parental controls to block access to that content... from your parents |
| [17:53:54] | wagnerrp: | rather backwards |
| [17:53:56] | stuartm: | I'd imagine you'd struggle to leave the house if you're easily offended by bad language, or language as I prefer to call it |
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| [17:56:19] | kormoc: | stuartm, not leaving the house due to language is why they need a PVR! :) |
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| [17:59:35] | iamlindoro: | agorophobics unite! |
| [17:59:47] | iamlindoro: | Or rather... don't! |
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| [18:02:41] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: we don't have video properties in mythvideo yet, do we? e.g. resolution/codec |
| [18:02:48] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:03:01] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Not yet, was waiting on the unification and hoping to make that a shared property |
| [18:03:23] | iamlindoro: | Was thinking to have previewgen fill in video and audioprops |
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| [18:14:41] | johnf1911: | I'm trying to compile the HD-PVR drivers for ir blasting on ubuntu 10.10 |
| [18:14:46] | johnf1911: | it's not going so well :( |
| [18:14:59] | johnf1911: | is anyone running the hd-pvr blaster on 10.10? |
| [18:15:33] | ** iamlindoro checks the calendar ** | |
| [18:15:58] | ** Beirdo thinks 10.01 should be codenamed "moronic mongoose" ** | |
| [18:16:38] | Beirdo: | maverick is too nice, we need meaner names :) |
| [18:17:19] | johnf1911: | I am deeply appreciative of your insights, but I suspect the compilation issue steams from a newer kernel and not ubuntu itself |
| [18:17:58] | Beirdo: | dunno. I use a custom kernel tree for my hdpvr blasting |
| [18:18:19] | johnf1911: | on ubuntu or another distro |
| [18:18:25] | johnf1911: | any helpful links? |
| [18:18:41] | Beirdo: | irrelevant, but it's ubuntu 10.04. I built my own kernel package |
| [18:18:55] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to pick up another receiver and set up blasting |
| [18:19:05] | johnf1911: | yeah, I built it on 10.04 pretty easy |
| [18:19:21] | johnf1911: | but I'd prefer to set this up on 10.10 |
| [18:19:53] | Beirdo: | maybe wait until 10.10 is actually released? |
| [18:20:06] | wagnerrp: | unless, can you drive a blaster off a usb-->serial device? |
| [18:20:10] | wagnerrp: | or are those data only? |
| [18:20:12] | iamlindoro: | johnf1911: Since that isn't actually released, you are likely to need to wait for someone to update the patches for the newer kernel |
| [18:20:21] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: if you need a tester for ATSC scanning on an HD Homerun, let me know |
| [18:20:33] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [18:20:39] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Thanks, ATSC is actually the only scanning NA-wise that is properly handled |
| [18:20:47] | johnf1911: | is this stuff moving into mainline lirc / v4l ? |
| [18:20:53] | wagnerrp: | rather, QAM on an HDHR here |
| [18:20:56] | Beirdo: | heh, which is why it worked for me, I guess |
| [18:21:24] | iamlindoro: | ie ATSC channums are built on atsc major and minor channel number, but SCTE/OpenCable/MPEG channels don't have those, so they end up with non-unique channums in the current code-- think my fix is pretty correct, just need to get home to fix it |
| [18:21:29] | Beirdo: | I did get two MPEG channels though, but that's because there ARE two oddball service channels on one of the multiplexes |
| [18:21:48] | Beirdo: | cool. :) |
| [18:21:49] | iamlindoro: | Two MPEG channels would *probably* be handled without conflicts (or at most, with one) |
| [18:22:17] | iamlindoro: | The problem is that the current code only checks the serviceID as the channum for uniqueness |
| [18:22:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, they didn't conflict, but they have no video that I can tell, so I keep them out of my lineup anyways |
| [18:22:29] | iamlindoro: | to clarify what I mean, the serviceid for QAM/SCTE is what we consider the subchannel |
| [18:22:34] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [18:22:39] | Beirdo: | so sad |
| [18:22:43] | iamlindoro: | ie 59–2 == 102–2 == 39–2 == 999–2 |
| [18:22:57] | Beirdo: | congrats on hopefully having fixed it |
| [18:23:27] | iamlindoro: | So the patch I'm sitting on checks that the SI Standard is MPEG, SCTE, or OpenCable, and if so, builds the channum as we expect it, with freqid-serviceid (ie, how every TV in north america does it) |
| [18:23:36] | iamlindoro: | I *think* it's fixed...will find out this evening :) |
| [18:23:44] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:24:24] | Beirdo: | dangit, I am SO gonna mess with my commdetect setup |
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| [18:24:51] | Beirdo: | it's just starting... on Covert Affairs from 10–11pm last night |
| [18:24:56] | Beirdo: | 12h ago! |
| [18:25:19] | ** wagnerrp does his stuff in real time ** | |
| [18:25:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Thanks for the offer-- I am confident enough in it that if it works for me, I'll commit, but could use the sanity check once I do |
| [18:25:33] | Beirdo: | you have HD H.254, wagnerrp? |
| [18:25:38] | wagnerrp: | will do |
| [18:25:40] | Beirdo: | err H.264 |
| [18:25:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, all mpeg2 |
| [18:25:50] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:25:56] | wagnerrp: | hence the speed |
| [18:25:56] | Beirdo: | MPEG2 is blazingly fast |
| [18:26:03] | Beirdo: | H.264 is sloooooow |
| [18:26:14] | Beirdo: | 90fps vs 15fps |
| [18:26:23] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right |
| [18:26:31] | wagnerrp: | what are you using for playback? |
| [18:26:39] | Beirdo: | VDPAU :) |
| [18:26:45] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [18:26:58] | Beirdo: | on a 9500GT |
| [18:26:59] | wagnerrp: | wait... 90fps for HD mpeg2? that doesnt seem right |
| [18:27:13] | wagnerrp: | or is that for 60fps content? |
| [18:27:15] | Beirdo: | I'll have to catch one in progress again |
| [18:27:38] | Beirdo: | I think it might be a 720p, but I'll have to catch one running and find out |
| [18:28:01] | Beirdo: | hmm, and while I tweak... it would be nice to LOG the final speed when finishing the job |
| [18:28:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:28:34] | Beirdo: | may never get committed officially, but no reason I can't have it on my patch stack |
| [18:29:24] | Beirdo: | and if others would appreciate it, we can work on getting it committed :) |
| [18:30:01] | wagnerrp: | why are they releasing the blair witch on bluray??? |
| [18:30:20] | johnf1911: | lol |
| [18:30:23] | Beirdo: | or at all (IMHO) |
| [18:30:32] | wagnerrp: | at 1080p, you can really see the clarity of the intentionally added static? |
| [18:30:59] | wagnerrp: | i mean it was supposed to have been shot on a crappy VHS recorder |
| [18:31:04] | wagnerrp: | it was supposed to look like crap |
| [18:31:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, now it can look like crap in wonderful HD |
| [18:31:21] | Beirdo: | what a waste :) |
| [18:31:27] | wagnerrp: | somehow amazon thinks i should pre-order it |
| [18:31:34] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [18:31:42] | wagnerrp: | they need to tweak that system a bit |
| [18:31:48] | btwe_afk is now known as btwe | |
| [18:32:27] | wagnerrp: | of course they did recommend i buy some MMO JRPG because i had bought doom3 |
| [18:32:42] | wagnerrp: | clearly thats the same market |
| [18:33:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:34:00] | mythlove_: | the whole concept of DVB is new to me...is this topic frowned upon? |
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| [18:34:17] | kormoc: | only if you're illegally decrypting signals |
| [18:34:18] | dewman: | i really dislike companies that "think" they know what I want to buy. |
| [18:34:47] | Beirdo: | dewman: obviously they should be suggesting a tinfoil hat :) |
| [18:34:54] | btwe: | Hi, me again. I still have the problem to get a recording playing, which is streamed from the backend to any frontend. This only happens with recordings from one specific channel – all other channels do fine. Running mythfrontend -v playback does not give a me a hint. |
| [18:34:57] | dewman: | =P |
| [18:35:44] | Gibby: | paul-h: Ping |
| [18:39:34] | wagnerrp: | mythlove_: technically you dont use DVB, you use ATSC and SCTE (QAM) |
| [18:39:47] | wagnerrp: | DVB is one specific blend of digital television |
| [18:40:09] | wagnerrp: | but its just the name used for the linux subsystem for handling all digital television |
| [18:40:48] | AndyCap: | the sane blend of digital tv :) |
| [18:42:52] | mythlove_: | the system I'm working on has an STB...but am using pvr-250...so no HD...should I be wanting an DVB-S or some HDTV card? |
| [18:43:21] | mythlove_: | Satellite STB |
| [18:43:50] | mythlove_: | What a joy to get the channel to change with it, I have to say. :( |
| [18:43:52] | wagnerrp: | you may want to consider an HDPVR |
| [18:44:01] | wagnerrp: | but one way or another, youre stuck with analog capture off that box |
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| [18:56:33] | johnf1911: | hmm, nother quick HD-PVR question |
| [18:56:44] | Beirdo: | sphery: oooh... "a satellite application" |
| [18:56:47] | johnf1911: | lossless transcosding isn't supported |
| [18:56:53] | johnf1911: | is that in the pipe? |
| [18:56:53] | Beirdo: | nope |
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| [18:57:01] | Beirdo: | not that I'd heard |
| [18:57:11] | Beirdo: | it's on a bunch of our wish lists :) |
| [18:57:15] | johnf1911: | or should I focus my efforts on exporting the cutlist to ffmpeg, which seems easy enough |
| [18:57:22] | johnf1911: | yeah, it would be quite nice |
| [18:57:34] | Beirdo: | nuvexport |
| [18:58:10] | johnf1911: | I thought that was no longer favoured |
| [18:58:26] | Beirdo: | favored by who? |
| [18:58:40] | johnf1911: | like in general |
| [18:58:54] | Beirdo: | the people who make nearly identical functionality in their own scripts because they are too silly to talk to those who maintain it? |
| [18:59:10] | johnf1911: | lol |
| [18:59:38] | johnf1911: | it was just an impression I had |
| [18:59:55] | johnf1911: | I thought that the internal transcoding engine was preferred |
| [19:00:20] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [19:00:40] | Beirdo: | but if you were planning on recreating what nuvexport does ANYWAYS |
| [19:00:49] | Beirdo: | i.e. cutlist -> ffmpeg |
| [19:01:02] | Beirdo: | you may want to take a look and maybe save yourself a bit of work |
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| [19:01:43] | kisak: | hello |
| [19:01:54] | wagnerrp: | maybe if i rewrite it in bash, people will be more willing to use it |
| [19:02:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: some putz already did :) |
| [19:02:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:02:46] | johnf1911: | the mpeg to mpeg2 mpeg cut only |
| [19:02:59] | johnf1911: | that acodec copy vcodec copy ? |
| [19:03:04] | johnf1911: | that's |
| [19:03:28] | Beirdo: | umm, mpeg2 "lossless" cutting is in mythtranscode internally |
| [19:03:31] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: a GOP cut with the 'copy' codecs is simple |
| [19:03:43] | wagnerrp: | you dont even need ffmpeg for that technically |
| [19:03:45] | Beirdo: | but HDPVR isn't mpeg2 output |
| [19:03:50] | johnf1911: | yes, I realise that |
| [19:03:53] | Beirdo: | K |
| [19:03:58] | wagnerrp: | you just clip out the byte spans manually |
| [19:03:59] | johnf1911: | I am asking what the underlying function is |
| [19:04:09] | Beirdo: | of the lossless? |
| [19:04:10] | wagnerrp: | the problem afterwards is to fix the time codes |
| [19:04:14] | johnf1911: | as described in the wiki as "MPEG2->MPEG2 cut only " |
| [19:04:21] | kisak: | wow, this is surprisingly close to the trouble I'm trying to work out |
| [19:04:26] | wagnerrp: | however the 'lossless' transcode is in fact not actually lossless |
| [19:04:45] | wagnerrp: | if you want to cut anywhere other than a GOP frame |
| [19:04:46] | Beirdo: | essentially, GOP cut + recoding non GOP frames... then recoding time codes |
| [19:04:47] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [19:04:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, hence my "lossless" :) |
| [19:05:00] | wagnerrp: | youre going to have to re-encode every frame since the last keyframe |
| [19:05:12] | wagnerrp: | and while we have a library to do that for mpeg2 |
| [19:05:16] | johnf1911: | if I cut on two keyframes |
| [19:05:24] | johnf1911: | is it cleaner? |
| [19:05:24] | wagnerrp: | no one has yet found a library capable of doing that for h264 |
| [19:05:34] | Beirdo: | if you cut right on keyframes, you can do that with dd even |
| [19:05:42] | wagnerrp: | if you cut right at the keyframes |
| [19:05:54] | johnf1911: | I generally prefer to cut on keyframes if at all possible |
| [19:05:54] | Beirdo: | although your timecodes will be screwy after |
| [19:06:22] | wagnerrp: | ive got a script ready to go that does that, and it restructures the cutpoints to manage the remaining few seconds of data on either end of the cut |
| [19:06:33] | wagnerrp: | im just waiting on something to fix the time codes |
| [19:06:34] | Beirdo: | there will be a PTS discontinuity... and that messes up some players, etc |
| [19:06:42] | wagnerrp: | havent found anything good yet |
| [19:06:45] | johnf1911: | any recommendations on cheap usb ir receivers? |
| [19:06:49] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [19:06:52] | Beirdo: | mceusb |
| [19:06:52] | wagnerrp: | MCE USB units |
| [19:06:54] | johnf1911: | I could actually pull the receiver I'm using in my living room |
| [19:07:07] | johnf1911: | with is an old mceusb w/two integrated transmitters |
| [19:07:17] | johnf1911: | and replace it |
| [19:07:28] | johnf1911: | as an alternative to using the blaster integrated in the HD-PVR |
| [19:07:29] | Beirdo: | with another of the same :) |
| [19:07:47] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W5GK5C/ref=oss_product |
| [19:07:51] | Beirdo: | that's the one I have |
| [19:08:04] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: those units only have blaster ports |
| [19:08:18] | wagnerrp: | you still need the actual IR LED on a phono line |
| [19:08:20] | Beirdo: | umm, not all of them |
| [19:08:26] | kisak: | I'm trying to address a regular problem I am getting with the advice at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode#Fixi . . . _empty.21.22 , but ffmpeg keeps failing, I suspect it is due to ac3 being in the mix |
| [19:08:27] | wagnerrp: | and most units only come with one of those |
| [19:08:32] | Beirdo: | they usually ship with one, yeah |
| [19:08:39] | Beirdo: | but a second is like $10 |
| [19:08:40] | johnf1911: | wagnerrp: I have a few of those |
| [19:09:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, thats the one ive got too |
| [19:09:12] | johnf1911: | http://ncix.com/products/?sku=48040&vpn=M . . . e=Mediasonic |
| [19:09:19] | johnf1911: | this one doesn't appear to have a transmitter |
| [19:09:26] | Beirdo: | I just mapped yellow to PLAYALT last night :) |
| [19:09:50] | Beirdo: | testing only... |
| [19:10:10] | Beirdo: | johnf1911: so don't buy that one |
| [19:10:43] | johnf1911: | no just usb receiver recommendations? |
| [19:10:53] | johnf1911: | I don't need yet another remote or anything |
| [19:11:11] | Beirdo: | we gave you the recommendation :) |
| [19:11:15] | wagnerrp: | johnf1911: that is the recommended receiver |
| [19:11:26] | wagnerrp: | if you can find one that doesnt come with a remote, more power to you |
| [19:11:27] | Beirdo: | you can chuck the remote at passing cars if you feel so inclined... or something |
| [19:11:40] | johnf1911: | ok, thanks |
| [19:11:58] | Beirdo: | might be hard to find without a remote ;) |
| [19:13:40] | Beirdo: | http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.p . . . em_id=027737 |
| [19:13:59] | Beirdo: | that's comparable to the one I have from Amazon if yer north of the border |
| [19:14:10] | Beirdo: | as far as I can tell anyways |
| [19:14:14] | johnf1911: | how did you find me out ;) |
| [19:14:34] | Beirdo: | you linked to a Canadian store |
| [19:14:47] | Beirdo: | the only reason for that is if yer in "We don't ship there" land |
| [19:14:50] | johnf1911: | yes, I know |
| [19:14:55] | johnf1911: | and believe me, I know |
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| [19:15:15] | Beirdo: | anyways, Canada Computers is where I'd buy my stuff back when I lived in Toronto |
| [19:15:25] | Beirdo: | seems they have spread quite a bit since |
| [19:16:50] | Beirdo: | doesn't help much if you're not in Ontario.. unless the online store has in stock, of course |
| [19:17:08] | Beirdo: | I miss shopping at College & Spadina |
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| [19:27:50] | Beirdo: | hmm, another one I should investigate... |
| [19:27:52] | Beirdo: | #8872 |
| [19:28:17] | Beirdo: | anyone here have issues accessing MythWeb while streaming UPnP? |
| [19:29:01] | Beirdo: | I guess I can test that when I'm home, although the other half of the ticket (two UPnP clients...) I can't as I don't have the gear to do so |
| [19:29:58] | Beirdo: | and mythdora 12... so what? 0.23-rc2+? |
| [19:30:00] | wagnerrp: | upnp should not interfere with mythweb |
| [19:30:09] | Beirdo: | I concur |
| [19:30:09] | wagnerrp: | unless mythweb is trying to access some shared mythxml resource |
| [19:30:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo, I think someone else mentioned that recently. |
| [19:30:33] | Beirdo: | and I'm not sure how it COULD other than if the thread workers aren't working right |
| [19:30:51] | johnf1911: | is the HD-PVr ir baslting stable? |
| [19:30:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, someone did |
| [19:30:58] | wagnerrp: | will mythtv run on a captured vulcan? |
| [19:30:59] | Beirdo: | johnf1911: mostly |
| [19:30:59] | johnf1911: | I know in the past there were issues |
| [19:31:11] | johnf1911: | Beirdo: lol, that's a response that reassures |
| [19:31:16] | Beirdo: | my HDPVR still needs an occasional power cycle |
| [19:31:34] | Beirdo: | but since I put electrical tape over its IR receiver, it's been pretty solid |
| [19:31:47] | johnf1911: | oh, that's interesting and a bit unusual |
| [19:31:58] | Beirdo: | it seems the true issues are more on the IR receive side (for me) as the driver polls, etc. |
| [19:32:00] | johnf1911: | in fact, mine is in a room with basically no IR |
| [19:32:14] | johnf1911: | it's hanging out with the backend in my office |
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| [19:32:24] | johnf1911: | have a diskless frontend in the living room |
| [19:32:32] | johnf1911: | need to get that to fanless too :) |
| [19:32:45] | Beirdo: | well, then no reason NOT to block the receiver too :) |
| [19:33:01] | johnf1911: | true enough |
| [19:33:18] | johnf1911: | thanks for all the advice |
| [19:33:22] | johnf1911: | time to take my son to the park |
| [19:33:23] | johnf1911: | bbl |
| [19:33:27] | Beirdo: | electrical tape is my friend in the IR stuff :) |
| [19:37:57] | Beirdo: | there. #8872 is now infoneeded. Kinda need to know what version is exhibiting the issue to be able to judge if we've fixed it since, etc... especially if I can't recreate the issue on trunk |
| [19:39:22] | kisak: | is there a list of mythtv friendly codecs? |
| [19:39:41] | Beirdo: | for playback of videos? |
| [19:39:45] | kisak: | yes |
| [19:39:49] | wagnerrp: | the same one as the list of ffmpeg friendly codecs |
| [19:39:55] | Beirdo: | essentially, anything ffmpeg supports |
| [19:40:20] | Beirdo: | plus rtjpeg in nuv containers and MPEG4 in nuv containers |
| [19:40:46] | Beirdo: | and mjpeg in nuv containers, i think too |
| [19:40:53] | Beirdo: | doubt ANYONE is still using that one |
| [19:41:00] | kisak: | I'm refering to the internal player |
| [19:41:12] | wagnerrp: | so are we |
| [19:41:26] | Beirdo: | somewhere I have a card that does capture that, but I lost track of it in the move to Puerto Rico... it's probably at my dad's |
| [19:41:57] | Beirdo: | I think I got it from someone here, in fact :) |
| [19:42:03] | kisak: | just checking, I'm getting poor results from ffmpeg -i <infile> -acodec copy -vcodec copy <tempfile> |
| [19:42:41] | kisak: | it's spits "Unable to find a suitable output format for 'temp'" at me |
| [19:43:05] | wagnerrp: | youre not doing 'temp.mpg'? |
| [19:43:43] | kisak: | *headdesk* |
| [19:44:23] | kisak: | well, that's going to complicate my script |
| [19:44:44] | kisak: | if it must have a .mpg ending |
| [19:44:50] | wagnerrp: | just what are you trying to do? |
| [19:45:27] | kisak: | a practical implementation of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode#Fixi . . . _empty.21.22 when deadlocks occur |
| [19:45:49] | iamlindoro: | good ol 2077 |
| [19:46:54] | wagnerrp: | so youre looking for an alternate lossless transcoder for when mythtranscode fails? |
| [19:46:57] | iamlindoro: | and no, Myth doesn't care what container you put anything in |
| [19:47:05] | iamlindoro: | you can use MKV, MPG, flv, whatever |
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| [19:48:36] | kisak: | well, can I tell ffmpeg to use the MPG container without it being in the outfile's name? |
| [19:48:46] | Beirdo: | man ffmpeg |
| [19:49:04] | iamlindoro: | yes, and yes, do as beirdo suggests |
| [19:49:17] | Beirdo: | it's not just being snarky |
| [19:49:29] | Beirdo: | ffmpeg is notorious for changing their command-line args |
| [19:49:42] | kisak: | what's not snarky? |
| [19:49:43] | Beirdo: | granted, they also forget to update the man pages at times :) |
| [19:49:57] | kisak: | I understand a simple rtfm response |
| [19:49:58] | Beirdo: | telling you to read the man page :) |
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| [19:53:57] | wagnerrp: | kisak: the real reason is because ffmpeg changes their command line syntax fairly frequently |
| [19:54:04] | wagnerrp: | so without knowing what version you have |
| [19:54:13] | wagnerrp: | any answer we give you could be completely wrong |
| [19:55:18] | dewman: | and these guys dont like to be wrong.... =P |
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| [19:55:53] | kisak: | I'm fairly good at translating outdated information, so long as it's somewhere near the right ballpark |
| [19:59:52] | justinh: | fairly frequently? sheesh.. prolly more often than stallman changes his socks |
| [20:00:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:00:17] | iamlindoro: | Probably quite a lot more than he changes his socks |
| [20:00:27] | Beirdo: | which would be when his sandals need replacing? |
| [20:01:16] | iamlindoro: | When you get someone with a diamond saw to cut the crusts off |
| [20:01:41] | Beirdo: | annnyways |
| [20:02:15] | kisak: | alright, I got that part, is there a way for me to isolate the container so I can throw it into a variable and make my script flexible? |
| [20:02:30] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg -i |
| [20:02:41] | kisak: | -i for infile? |
| [20:02:50] | wagnerrp: | for information |
| [20:02:55] | kisak: | ah |
| [20:03:02] | iamlindoro: | actually, it is for infile :) |
| [20:03:22] | iamlindoro: | It just happens to spew out the information about that infile |
| [20:03:34] | wagnerrp: | so spitting out information is the fallback function if you dont tell it to do anything else? |
| [20:03:51] | iamlindoro: | yep-- that's why it complains immediately afterwards about needing to specify an outfile as well |
| [20:16:05] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: #8889 may interest you |
| [20:16:53] | iamlindoro: | Though if it really only happens with the experimental speedups, we could probably just close it |
| [20:17:41] | Beirdo: | K, let me go take a look |
| [20:17:52] | iamlindoro: | ie "don't do that, then ;)" |
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| [20:18:28] | iamlindoro: | Or maybe just disable the speedups when H.264 is detected, dunno |
| [20:18:33] | iamlindoro: | anyway, just knew you had seen that one |
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| [20:19:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, I haven't seen it act like that in a bit, but for sure the first thing to do is try without the speedups :) |
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| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | I'll take that one for now. if Captain_Murdoch wants it later, great. :) |
| [20:28:08] | Beirdo: | looks like a particularly nasty recording perhaps |
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| [20:43:31] | Beirdo: | ARGH |
| [20:43:53] | Beirdo: | #8889... he's seeing the same screwy return codes I am |
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| [20:51:21] | justinh: | oh boy. Door to door canvassers selling something or other, carrying clipboards, name badges.. and wearing STAB VESTS. Where the hell do they think they are?! |
| [20:51:37] | Beirdo: | STAB vests? |
| [20:51:48] | Beirdo: | i.e. so the home owners don't stab them? |
| [20:51:53] | justinh: | yeah that sort |
| [20:51:59] | justinh: | over their suits |
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| [20:52:02] | Beirdo: | heh, the JWs and Mormons should wear those |
| [20:52:03] | wagnerrp: | britons dont have guns, what else are they going to use? |
| [20:52:09] | justinh: | I had to do a treble take |
| [20:52:32] | Beirdo: | "one moment, let me go get my chequebook... and a knife!!" |
| [20:52:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: wanna bet? Not what anyone would call a majority have guns here but there are still enough of em to cause concern |
| [20:53:06] | justinh: | Manchester was once nicknamed Gunchester |
| [20:53:17] | wagnerrp: | well they dont legally have guns, so only the criminals have and use them |
| [20:53:18] | wagnerrp: | fun! |
| [20:53:27] | justinh: | heh, indeed |
| [20:54:11] | justinh: | the argument against guns here is that you guys have them over there & it doesn't seem to help any ;-) |
| [20:54:33] | iamlindoro: | Helped us get rid of you lot ;) |
| [20:54:38] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [20:54:41] | wagnerrp: | and you guys dont have them over there & it doesn't seem to help any |
| [20:54:46] | wagnerrp: | i think will keep them here |
| [20:54:50] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: nice one :) |
| [20:55:07] | justinh: | here was me thinking it was a tea shortage that saw off the Brits |
| [20:55:11] | ** iamlindoro beers the UK for what was a stereotypical US response ;) ** | |
| [20:55:31] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so... off to rob the local 7/11 with your flint lock? |
| [21:04:20] | justinh: | hey no, if it wasn't for you lot in here I'd believe the stereotype about Americans :) |
| [21:04:21] | justinh: | quite a bright, informed bunch by all accounts ;) |
| [21:04:21] | wagnerrp: | stereotypes always have a firm grounding in reality, even if theyre very exaggerated |
| [21:04:21] | justinh: | honest though.. I'm wondering wth they're selling & feeling they need to wear stab/bullet protection. Unless I was mistaken & they were flogging lifejackets of some kind |
| [21:04:21] | iamlindoro: | only one letter away from my actual gun ;) |
| [21:04:22] | iamlindoro: | my Gee-lock |
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| [21:04:22] | justinh: | see if you can catch any clips of Jeremy Kyle on Youtube.. that's pretty much the stereotypical English unemployed IMHO |
| [21:04:22] | justinh: | like Springer but not *quite* as bad |
| [21:04:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, based on news from the past 20–30 years you could make an argument that without guns, a certain group of people just escalated to bombs in that area of the world. |
| [21:04:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: why not a crossbow? |
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| [21:04:22] | Beirdo: | I think that would scare me more anyways |
| [21:04:23] | iamlindoro: | Aww |
| [21:04:23] | iamlindoro: | If it helps I'm half French ;) |
| [21:04:23] | Beirdo: | justinh: there are a few notable exceptions, but thankfully most of em are not in the channel anymore |
| [21:04:23] | iamlindoro: | Probably some whackjob went medieval on someone somewhere, and so now the lawyers demand that they do it to mitigate liability-- or at least that's how it would happen here |
| [21:04:23] | kisak: | hey, I'm still here |
| [21:04:23] | ** Beirdo sneezes... mchou.... ** | |
| [21:04:23] | kisak: | oh wait... |
| [21:04:23] | Beirdo: | hehe, that could be. maybe they were selling stab vests? |
| [21:04:23] | kisak: | stab vests? platemail? |
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| [21:04:25] | Beirdo: | they should dress up like the Michelin Man |
| [21:04:25] | Beirdo: | maximize protection |
| [21:04:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: we didnt use crossbows in the revolutionary war |
| [21:04:59] | justinh: | anyway, when people have tempers like mine it's prolly for the best we aren't allowed firearms ;) |
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| [21:05:30] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: no, but the British and bows of various types are fairly well acquainted :) |
| [21:07:02] | wagnerrp: | i thought you were referring to the flintlock comment |
| [21:07:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you dont remember that ffmpeg line i was trying to use to fix the timecodes, do you? |
| [21:08:12] | Beirdo: | umm, nope :) |
| [21:08:26] | wagnerrp: | i decided to start that back up |
| [21:08:32] | wagnerrp: | and its giving me unplayable garbage |
| [21:09:08] | Beirdo: | gigo |
| [21:09:10] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [21:09:25] | wagnerrp: | actually, its from a -150 recording |
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| [21:09:34] | wagnerrp: | seems the script works great on PS files |
| [21:09:42] | wagnerrp: | and you dont even need to mess with the timecodes |
| [21:11:16] | Beirdo: | you might have to for some players |
| [21:11:51] | Beirdo: | WMP was one notable example way back when I first wrote the MPEG2 lossless cutting script for nuvexport |
| [21:12:07] | Beirdo: | it got superceded by mythtranscode's built-in support |
| [21:12:13] | Beirdo: | oooh.... trac FTW |
| [21:12:20] | Beirdo: | let me go look up that script |
| [21:14:56] | Beirdo: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ut?rev=12058 |
| [21:15:04] | Beirdo: | uhd my guhd, that's a long way back :) |
| [21:15:28] | Beirdo: | lvemux |
| [21:15:32] | Beirdo: | that's what I used |
| [21:16:36] | wagnerrp: | based on a modified ffmpeg 0.4.8 |
| [21:16:39] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty old |
| [21:16:47] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [21:17:17] | wagnerrp: | maybe i should just say to heck with mpeg2 |
| [21:17:21] | Beirdo: | but it was lvemux that fixed my timecodes :) |
| [21:17:24] | wagnerrp: | remux to mp4 or mkv |
| [21:18:17] | skd5aner: | what's the status on mp4/h264 lossless cutting? |
| [21:18:22] | skd5aner: | any progress there? |
| [21:18:27] | Beirdo: | pipe dream |
| [21:18:37] | wagnerrp: | read the backlog |
| [21:18:46] | skd5aner: | I don't wanna |
| [21:18:47] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:18:59] | Beirdo: | we'd love to have it but don't |
| [21:19:00] | wagnerrp: | internal... speculation and conjecture |
| [21:19:03] | Beirdo: | that's about the status |
| [21:19:06] | wagnerrp: | external script... working on it |
| [21:19:13] | skd5aner: | good enough for me |
| [21:20:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: actually, WMP barfs on all of it, fixed or not |
| [21:20:12] | skd5aner: | I'd almost rather it be external, at least for now |
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| [21:20:37] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt mind the mkv though |
| [21:20:40] | skd5aner: | much easier to me to get what I want out of it that way – never been a fan of the internal transcoding options |
| [21:21:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, any problems with simply using another container !mpeg? |
| [21:21:08] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: figures |
| [21:21:20] | Beirdo: | for H.264 output? |
| [21:21:31] | wagnerrp: | for this lossless cut script |
| [21:21:38] | Beirdo: | if you wanna cut it -> mkv, I'm sure it would be fine |
| [21:21:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: IME MKV is better, as then you can use ending cutpoints as chapter markers |
| [21:21:58] | iamlindoro: | which would be super slick |
| [21:22:12] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: since this was only a GOP cut |
| [21:22:17] | Beirdo: | it wouldn't be a "drop-in replacement" file, but do we really need that? |
| [21:22:21] | wagnerrp: | im adding the cutpoints back into the markup table anyway |
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| [21:22:34] | wagnerrp: | for the couple frames on either side of the cut that had to be left in |
| [21:22:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Cool, but would be nice for the file to essentially have a chapter for the end of each commercial break |
| [21:22:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why wouldnt it be? the internal player can still handle it |
| [21:23:05] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: would be, ill have to look into how to make that possible |
| [21:23:12] | Beirdo: | because the filename should be changed from .mpg to .mkv? :) |
| [21:23:14] | wagnerrp: | not sure if ffmpeg can do that |
| [21:23:23] | iamlindoro: | pretty sure you can feed chapter timecodes to mkvmerge |
| [21:23:28] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well ive got to fix the seekdata anyway |
| [21:23:34] | iamlindoro: | even if you have to do a mux->remux |
| [21:23:36] | Beirdo: | yup, true nuff |
| [21:23:44] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: but will mkvmerge fix the timecodes? |
| [21:23:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: not sure |
| [21:23:56] | wagnerrp: | or when you remux it, will that simply get fixed automatically |
| [21:24:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if those time codes are part of the video or the container |
| [21:24:16] | Beirdo: | or both |
| [21:24:28] | Beirdo: | I dunno either ;) |
| [21:24:55] | Beirdo: | feel free to poke around lvemux code to see what they did, but that was MPEG2 only |
| [21:25:02] | Beirdo: | might be enlightening though |
| [21:25:10] | Beirdo: | even if it IS 5 year old code |
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| [21:27:12] | Beirdo: | and I used tcprobe from transcode to find the AV offset |
| [21:27:22] | Beirdo: | wow, that was a while back |
| [21:27:31] | wagnerrp: | if im using mkv, i can just junk the seekdata entirely, right? |
| [21:28:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ttbomk, having a seektable with mkv may make your mkv unplayable or at least unseekable |
| [21:29:24] | sphery: | something about the mkv bitstream format |
| [21:30:39] | Beirdo: | ick |
| [21:31:12] | skd5aner: | Do many folks leverage randr to match video playback resolution and rates? |
| [21:31:22] | skd5aner: | for output |
| [21:31:23] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [21:31:42] | wagnerrp: | some do, because theres maybe 2–3 a month in here asking about it |
| [21:31:46] | wagnerrp: | but not many |
| [21:32:11] | skd5aner: | I'm wondering if there wouldn't be a benefit to that... but I guess the built in scaling does a well enough job as it is |
| [21:32:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: 20091113 01:50:53< jan ne g> sphery: seek tables for mkv should generally work. they don't work for h264 in mkv since we can't parse the bitstream format mkv/mov/mp4 use to store h264 |
| [21:32:25] | wagnerrp: | thats the consensus |
| [21:32:39] | sphery: | so may have changed with new code, but that was the last status I had heard |
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| [21:33:47] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [21:33:57] | Beirdo: | but we can play them... that seems odd |
| [21:34:26] | ** sphery is not a video lib/format expert ** | |
| [21:34:32] | wagnerrp: | lets do this with a TS file and see what happens... |
| [21:34:33] | Beirdo: | me neither. |
| [21:35:15] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think there's now code that chooses resolution and rate based on the source video if you're using nvidia |
| [21:35:51] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21489 |
| [21:36:38] | wagnerrp: | PAL stuff is even framerates, right? |
| [21:36:49] | Beirdo: | 25 and 50fps AFAIK |
| [21:36:49] | wagnerrp: | none of that 25000/1001 mess? |
| [21:36:54] | justinh: | 50hz |
| [21:37:02] | sphery: | + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25210 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25255 |
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| [21:37:17] | Beirdo: | NTSC gets the odd crap :) |
| [21:37:24] | Beirdo: | because we are special |
| [21:37:25] | wagnerrp: | and ATSC |
| [21:37:41] | wagnerrp: | well it was supposed to prevent flickering or something, wasnt it? |
| [21:38:35] | Beirdo: | I think it was to steal some of the native 30fps for stuff like VBI? I forget |
| [21:38:52] | Beirdo: | with our power grid being 60Hz, it should be 30fps |
| [21:38:56] | Beirdo: | but it ain't |
| [21:39:15] | Beirdo: | it's 30000/1001 |
| [21:39:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.engr.advan . . . 5e3089c4d53/ |
| [21:39:25] | skd5aner: | sphery: I remember seeing that, but wondering if it's worth it |
| [21:39:53] | skd5aner: | right now, TV has limited ability to accept different resolutions/rates on the input |
| [21:39:59] | iamlindoro: | PG&E replaced a transformer in my neighborhood last weekend, but put the wrong model in, and fried every computer, appliance, and A/C in 150 homes |
| [21:40:06] | iamlindoro: | whoops |
| [21:40:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh, to add color |
| [21:40:09] | skd5aner: | but new TVs generally don't have that problem |
| [21:40:12] | iamlindoro: | They're real sorry, though |
| [21:40:24] | wagnerrp: | are they sorry with a lot of money? |
| [21:40:27] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: wow, nasty |
| [21:40:36] | iamlindoro: | sorry with a whole lot of money somewhere 60–90 days from now |
| [21:40:44] | sphery: | skd5aner: all a matter of whose scaler/video processor is better--your MythTV box's or your TV's |
| [21:40:54] | wagnerrp: | modern switched power supplies are supposed to be pretty robust |
| [21:40:56] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure the poor folks really appreciate that by Christmas they may have Refrigerators again |
| [21:40:58] | wagnerrp: | what did they put in? |
| [21:41:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It wasn't specified |
| [21:41:24] | Beirdo: | genset in back yard FTW |
| [21:41:27] | iamlindoro: | But whatever it is must have been near impossible to do, but they managed |
| [21:41:34] | Beirdo: | screw the grid :) |
| [21:41:44] | wagnerrp: | mkvmerge doesnt support TS files |
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| [21:42:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: what what whaaaat? How can that be? You can mux Blu-ray content straight in to MKV |
| [21:42:42] | iamlindoro: | or maybe some of the wrappers do a demux to elementary streams first |
| [21:42:46] | sphery: | now I want 30 Rock to be back |
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| [21:44:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah, guess I was wrong-- looks like you need elementary streams. Dumb. |
| [21:44:37] | sphery: | elementary, my dear wagnerrp |
| [21:46:43] | iamlindoro: | Yay, undercovers available for scheduling |
| [21:47:08] | Beirdo: | I just searched an hour ago and it wasn't there :) |
| [21:47:14] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [21:47:20] | Beirdo: | channel/time? |
| [21:47:26] | iamlindoro: | 9/22, 9 PM |
| [21:47:31] | iamlindoro: | NBC |
| [21:47:32] | johnf1911: | Beirdo: hmm, your sites popularity jumped by ten times in July; do anything notable? |
| [21:47:39] | iamlindoro: | er 8 PM |
| [21:47:55] | Beirdo: | hahah, no data |
| [21:48:00] | Beirdo: | I have until 4am |
| [21:48:16] | Beirdo: | johnf1911: ?! which site is this? |
| [21:48:32] | iamlindoro: | live porncam |
| [21:48:46] | Beirdo: | heh. that would be boring as heck. |
| [21:48:47] | johnf1911: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ |
| [21:49:04] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [21:49:10] | Beirdo: | haven't touched that in ages |
| [21:49:45] | johnf1911: | your most visited page is the link the channel bot gives out |
| [21:49:53] | johnf1911: | did you add the link in july? |
| [21:49:56] | Beirdo: | the only part that gets any traffic is tha bot |
| [21:49:58] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:50:03] | johnf1911: | ah, strange |
| [21:50:05] | Beirdo: | it's been there forever |
| [21:50:05] | johnf1911: | it's quite marked |
| [21:50:12] | johnf1911: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/awstats/awstats.pl?mo . . . mename=index |
| [21:50:41] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:50:53] | Beirdo: | there's a few morons that seem to want a database dump |
| [21:50:56] | iamlindoro: | Bah, idiots trying to run the backend on a NAS box now |
| [21:51:01] | Beirdo: | I mean... come on |
| [21:51:09] | iamlindoro: | *.mpaa.org |
| [21:51:11] | iamlindoro: | *.riaa.org |
| [21:51:13] | Beirdo: | pulling almost 1G |
| [21:51:20] | iamlindoro: | *.blu-ray.com |
| [21:51:28] | Beirdo: | toroon12–1176262344.sdsl.bell.ca |
| [21:51:44] | Beirdo: | someone in Toronto needs their butts kicked |
| [21:51:44] | iamlindoro: | ah, the infamous Bell DSL lobby |
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| [21:52:44] | Beirdo: | Yahoo and Google and MSN all indexing |
| [21:52:53] | Beirdo: | and Yandex, whatever the heck that is |
| [21:53:47] | Beirdo: | http://guide.opendns.com/main |
| [21:53:51] | Beirdo: | huhhh? |
| [21:54:16] | Beirdo: | interesting search engine |
| [21:55:59] | skd5aner: | hmmm, google suggest just went to the next level and now provides interactive search results at the same time |
| [21:56:07] | skd5aner: | nice |
| [21:56:16] | Beirdo: | anyways... time to go interview someone |
| [21:56:54] | skd5aner: | just type in the search box, and results pop up as you type |
| [21:58:02] | skd5aner: | I'm fairly impressed they can provide such quick results at such volume and scale |
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| [22:54:12] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, fun |
| [22:54:35] | Beirdo: | #8872 is something I will have to test tonight |
| [22:55:06] | Beirdo: | I can't really test two clients simultaneously, but I'm betting I'll find that it's two symptoms of exactly the same problem |
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| [22:59:28] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I'm not sure, but trac may have automatically unset the infoneeded, it may not have been a conscious choice. |
| [23:01:16] | Beirdo: | kenni: for the Spanish translation, I hope we don't end up with dialect issues (like en_us vs en_uk) :) |
| [23:01:42] | Beirdo: | es_es and es_mx and es_pr, etc are subtly different |
| [23:02:09] | Beirdo: | just something to keep an eye out for :) |
| [23:02:34] | Beirdo: | I think the main Spanish translation in there now comes from someone in Chile, no? |
| [23:03:02] | kenni: | Beirdo: Acutally, I don't know :) |
| [23:03:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:03:11] | Beirdo: | fair enough :) |
| [23:03:20] | wagnerrp: | chile isnt spanish are they? |
| [23:03:24] | Beirdo: | I just hope it doesn't cause churn over time, that's all |
| [23:03:26] | wagnerrp: | i thought they spoke portuguese |
| [23:03:32] | Beirdo: | yes, Chile's Spanish |
| [23:04:06] | Beirdo: | all of South America but Brazil (Portuguese-based) and Guyana (English) and French Guiana (French) is Spanish, AFAIK |
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| [23:04:34] | Beirdo: | oh, and Surinam |
| [23:04:46] | Beirdo: | which was Dutch, so likely still is dutch |
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| [23:04:58] | wagnerrp: | that cant be right |
| [23:05:14] | wagnerrp: | a spanish colony thats actually fairly prosperous? |
| [23:05:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [23:05:36] | Beirdo: | umm, All of the Americas is Spanish, pretty much |
| [23:05:39] | kenni: | as long as someone is submitting something, then I'm happy...let's take all the dialect issues when we get some more maintainers ;) |
| [23:05:50] | Beirdo: | south of Texas... |
| [23:06:18] | Beirdo: | kenni: yup :) Just thought you might wanna know in case it starts to get dualling translations, etc |
| [23:06:34] | wagnerrp: | whats this 'NBC Primetime Preview Show'? |
| [23:06:35] | kenni: | yep, thanks for the hint |
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| [23:07:21] | Beirdo: | Suriname... sorry. The only Dutch-speaking region in the world that's not part of the Netherlands (any more) or Belgium... |
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| [23:08:31] | Beirdo: | of course, area-wise, most of South America is Portuguese... Brazil is quite large |
| [23:08:42] | spazor: | what's the proper way to suppress "Python Database Connection:..." when MythBE is called in python? |
| [23:09:06] | spazor: | umm, the printing of "Python Database Connection:" |
| [23:09:35] | wagnerrp: | supply an existing database connection, so its not opening a new one |
| [23:10:02] | spazor: | you've got to be kidding me |
| [23:10:23] | wagnerrp: | of course if you want to suppress the message entirely, disable logging |
| [23:10:29] | wagnerrp: | MythLog._setlevel('none') |
| [23:11:50] | spazor: | Is that a global setting or it just pertains to that instance of of the python call? |
| [23:11:50] | wagnerrp: | if you have an existing connection, it should be passed into any new object that will take it |
| [23:12:05] | wagnerrp: | the reason being that it will allow you to set alternate connection credentials than those found in config.xml |
| [23:12:11] | wagnerrp: | the log level is a global |
| [23:12:32] | spazor: | I mean I wouldn't want logging to be diabled globally or forever |
| [23:13:49] | wagnerrp: | right now, that log is set to important,database |
| [23:13:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you have either of those flags set, it will log to screen |
| [23:14:02] | wagnerrp: | i should probably make that database only |
| [23:14:10] | wagnerrp: | and move the others to extradatabase |
| [23:14:30] | wagnerrp: | i really should sit down some time before the 0.24 release and clean up the logging |
| [23:14:48] | wagnerrp: | i really put it in somewhat haphazardly as i remembered to do so |
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| [23:19:30] | spazor: | Beirdo: I recall some Islands in the west Indies also speak Dutch |
| [23:19:53] | spazor: | maybe antilles or some such |
| [23:20:00] | xand: | netherlands antilles |
| [23:20:12] | Beirdo: | yes, but they are part of the Netherlands |
| [23:20:16] | spazor: | they aren't the only ones |
| [23:20:23] | iamlindoro: | One of those places where they murder co-eds and get away with it |
| [23:20:30] | Beirdo: | Aruba, St. Maartin, etc |
| [23:20:44] | Beirdo: | AFAIK, they are all officially part of the Netherlands still |
| [23:21:18] | Beirdo: | Curacao... Bonaire.. |
| [23:21:44] | kormoc: | Down in Kokomo.... |
| [23:21:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:22:03] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was a liquor |
| [23:22:14] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands |
| [23:23:02] | Beirdo: | all "countries" but part of the kingdom... and I thought the English confused stuff |
| [23:24:04] | kormoc: | Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. |
| [23:24:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:24:24] | Beirdo: | [R] would think that's lame |
| [23:24:47] | kormoc: | [R] can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at him! |
| [23:25:40] | Beirdo: | oooh, I'm being oppressed! |
| [23:26:01] | kormoc: | Bloody Peasant! |
| [23:26:21] | Beirdo: | I need to buy that DVD again. mine disappeared |
| [23:27:13] | Beirdo: | or... put it at the top of my netflix queue and return a movie |
| [23:27:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:27:22] | wagnerrp: | that something the french in the castle yelled? |
| [23:27:34] | Beirdo: | fetchez la vache! |
| [23:28:03] | Beirdo: | oooh. $9.99 ... amazon prime |
| [23:28:25] | iamlindoro: | YES |
| [23:28:27] | iamlindoro: | AT LAST |
| [23:28:30] | iamlindoro: | IT WORKS |
| [23:28:38] | Beirdo: | and I can sign up to be notified for blu-ray! |
| [23:28:46] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: NICE! |
| [23:28:46] | iamlindoro: | FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST YES |
| [23:28:59] | iamlindoro: | it only took like four dozen scans, grumble |
| [23:29:05] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: you have another major thing to add to the change log shortly, I think |
| [23:29:47] | iamlindoro: | Heh, it's only really a major fix, and only if you live in the US... but at last the scanner will properly work for QAM, sunofa... |
| [23:29:56] | Beirdo: | oooh, a 6-disc set.. $33.49... and amazon prime |
| [23:30:04] | kenni: | Beirdo: "Kingdom of the Netherlands"...hah! "Kingdom of Denmark" is 52 times larger with 1/3 of the population |
| [23:30:19] | Beirdo: | Greenland doesn't count :) |
| [23:30:26] | kenni: | bah |
| [23:30:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:30:38] | Beirdo: | OK, technically, it does |
| [23:30:49] | Beirdo: | enjoy your dominion over the glaciers |
| [23:30:58] | wagnerrp: | thats like owning parts of Antarctica |
| [23:31:12] | wagnerrp: | sure, you have claim to it, because no one else wants it... :) |
| [23:31:19] | Beirdo: | nah, Greenland IS useful for parts of the year, IIRC |
| [23:31:25] | Beirdo: | or at least at the coast |
| [23:32:05] | wagnerrp: | lief is a liar, its not green! |
| [23:32:10] | ** Beirdo one-clicks. ** | |
| [23:32:17] | Beirdo: | heeh. |
| [23:32:58] | spazor: | Is mythtranscose still broken or has that been fixed? |
| [23:33:03] | kenni: | Have you never been to a party, which had no ice cubes? So sad...We have plenty of ice |
| [23:33:05] | spazor: | transcode* |
| [23:33:07] | Beirdo: | 6 DVDs of [R] unapproved video ordered. |
| [23:34:42] | Beirdo: | Hmmm. Amazon VOD... does it use Flash or what, I wonder. |
| [23:35:01] | sphery: | Beirdo: all I know is that it only works on Windows |
| [23:35:07] | Beirdo: | booo |
| [23:35:14] | Beirdo: | I think my TV might do it too |
| [23:35:15] | sphery: | I got a free BSG Razor that I can't watch (even with Flash) |
| [23:35:19] | Beirdo: | the vizio one |
| [23:35:20] | sphery: | yeah, that might |
| [23:35:33] | sphery: | but not "vanilla" GNU/Linux |
| [23:35:49] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [23:35:59] | Beirdo: | just curious :) |
| [23:36:53] | wagnerrp: | but can you shave with it? |
| [23:37:15] | sphery: | heh |
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| [23:39:47] | Beirdo: | "free Unbox Video Player" |
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| [23:40:03] | ** Beirdo makes a rude gesture towards the Amazon wonks ** | |
| [23:40:15] | sphery: | did you buy one of the movies that you get to watch on Unbox after purchasing the disc? |
| [23:40:25] | Beirdo: | no no |
| [23:40:39] | Beirdo: | just saw the link at the top of the screen and got curious |
| [23:40:40] | sphery: | oh... I thought that was a cool idea. I just wish I could use it on my systems. |
| [23:42:38] | Beirdo: | yup, my TV will do amazon VOD |
| [23:44:11] | Beirdo: | good to know... should I want to use it |
| [23:44:50] | ** Beirdo adds Bones to the schedule ** | |
| [23:44:55] | Beirdo: | how did I forget that? |
| [23:44:59] | sphery: | so, glad to find out I'm not the only one for whom the Google Buckyball occasionally caused 100% CPU usage, requiring killing the browser. |
| [23:45:35] | sphery: | seems it was pretty widespread--and cross platform, too |
| [23:45:42] | sphery: | (and cross browser) |
| [23:45:54] | Beirdo: | the Google OwnTheUser? |
| [23:46:36] | sphery: | heh, guess so |
| [23:47:34] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [23:47:42] | Beirdo: | there's an ebay app for my TV |
| [23:48:09] | Beirdo: | "Get real-time updates, place bids, and monitor your favorite items with the eBay TV Widget" |
| [23:48:19] | ** Beirdo groans ** | |
| [23:49:08] | Beirdo: | get ripped off... on your TV |
| [23:49:49] | sphery: | who needs HSN, now? |
| [23:50:04] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:50:33] | Beirdo: | aaargh |
| [23:50:59] | Beirdo: | so I dropped Jorge de le Rosa from my fantasy team... he then wins 3 games in a row |
| [23:50:59] | knightr: | kenni, Beirdo: I do intend (one I feel the main one is stable enough) to make another French translation based on the main one (for Canada)... There were some trade-off in the current one so that its relatively location agnostic but not everywhere... |
| [23:51:10] | knightr: | oops, once not one... |
| [23:51:32] | Beirdo: | knightr: cool. If you're French Canadian, you're in a good position to do so too :) |
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| [23:52:18] | ** Beirdo is 1/4 French Canadian (not Quebecois, mind). ** | |
| [23:52:35] | kenni: | knightr: Ok, feel free to do so, I won't complain :) |
| [23:52:46] | knightr: | Beirdo: I am the only French Canadian in the French language translation team (that's why I always had language after French so that people don't think I'm from France)... |
| [23:53:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:53:26] | Beirdo: | oooh. |
| [23:53:58] | knightr: | Beirdo: I'm a French Canadian from Quebec (a Quebecois...) |
| [23:54:08] | Beirdo: | College Universitaire de Saint-Boniface named a legal institute after an ancestor :) |
| [23:54:25] | sphery: | we know you're not from Guelph |
| [23:54:29] | Beirdo: | French Canadian via Manitoba primarily... with SOME Quebec since |
| [23:54:50] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dubuc |
| [23:55:13] | Beirdo: | he's like 4 generations up on my mother's side (or is it 5) |
| [23:55:20] | knightr: | Beirdo, kenni: Apart from the stability of the translation my other problem is finding a way to merge the new strings from one translation into the other (without depending on the files being having the strings in the same order...) |
| [23:56:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, understood |
| [23:56:17] | knightr: | sphery: Were you talking to me? No, I'm not from Ontario... |
| [23:56:52] | Beirdo: | I love the name Guelph... it accurately represents most people's feelings for the place... sounds like someone puking |
| [23:56:54] | kenni: | knightr: Can't think anymore...need to sleep. |
| [23:56:55] | knightr: | Beirdo, I'm checking your link right now.. Hold on... |
| [23:57:08] | sphery: | knightr: I was just referencing http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/421655#421655 |
| [23:57:28] | knightr: | kenni: come one, it's only 2 am where you are... |
| [23:57:41] | Beirdo: | my grandfather grew up in St. Boniface, MB. :) |
| [23:58:17] | Beirdo: | and if I recall correctly Sir Joseph was his grandfather |
| [23:58:58] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
| [23:59:05] | Beirdo: | it's irrelevant... |
| [23:59:05] | knightr: | Beirdo: Geez, your ancestor is part of our history!!! |
| [23:59:13] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [23:59:30] | knightr: | sphery: You have a very good memory to have been able to dig this up... |
| [23:59:55] | knightr: | Beirdo: I hope nobody from Guelph is here... (-; |
| [23:59:58] | Beirdo: | my grandfather was one of the lawyers that got unemployment insurance through the beauraucracy (however that's spelled) in Ottawa |
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