| Monday, September 6th, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:22] | wagnerrp: | the only things i see are some issues with USB disks on boot, and lack of 5VSB |
| [00:02:56] | wagnerrp: | and the USB boot issues are only when using wireless |
| [00:03:04] | wagnerrp: | which youre not going to be doing with mythtv anyway |
| [00:06:07] | nightwalk: | I *might* be. Probably not G though ;) |
| [00:07:53] | nightwalk: | Of course, what all I can do with this will be highly dependent on my ability to find a cheap low profile PCIe card, since few small form factor boards include PCI slots anymore :/ |
| [00:09:11] | wagnerrp: | low profile tuner card? |
| [00:10:27] | nightwalk: | tuner, wifi, or anything, really. Only PCIe cards I usually see are video cards, and hopefully I won't have to waste the slot on one of those with this board. |
| [00:10:56] | wagnerrp: | tuner cards are widely available, and you dont want wireless |
| [00:13:14] | Baylink: | I'm all good here; easiest upgrade evar. Thanks all; good night, and good luck. |
| [00:13:15] | nightwalk: | Why would you say that? Have a budget media player right now that streams just fine over wireless |
| [00:13:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not designed for streaming over unreliable connections |
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| [00:14:13] | nightwalk: | Only problem I've had with the media player is voice/video de-sync, which is most likely a problem with the firmware, not the connection. |
| [00:16:36] | nightwalk: | Anyway, what I'm doing is gutting a backend, and putting the parts together in a smaller chassis with a smaller board. So, basically, there will only be a single mythtv system — no streaming |
| [00:20:32] | nightwalk: | I'm guessing a phenom, 4G of memory, and a nvidia 8200 should give it enough oompf to do everything. A little worried it might overheat, though. |
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| [00:25:14] | Josh`: | I'm attempting first time setup of jamu on 0.23-fixes. I'm having a specific issue with Jamu parsing iso files. I want jamu to specifically ignore iso files. I've double checked the configuration file, and iso is NOT listed under video_file_exts. Yet the configuration display ./jamu.py -MVf still shows iso as a valid extension... |
| [00:27:00] | RDV_Linux: | Josh`: Try adding ISO as a MythVideo extension to see if that helps |
| [00:27:39] | RDV_Linux: | Josh`: Sorry I did not catch that you wanted ISOs to be ignored. |
| [00:27:43] | Josh`: | You mean remove ISO as a MythVideo extension? I want jamu to ignore them. |
| [00:27:51] | Josh`: | ahh, gotcha. |
| [00:28:54] | RDV_Linux: | Josh`: Jamu has ISO as a default file type but if you disabled that file type in MythVideo then that should make Jamu also ignore the file extention |
| [00:28:58] | Josh`: | RDV_Linux, that is a good idea though. let me specifically ignore ISO in MythVideo and see if that helps. |
| [00:29:55] | Josh`: | RDV_Linux, Looks as though that did the trick. Thanks. |
| [00:30:41] | RDV_Linux: | Josh`: Be careful as doing this and rescanning in MythVideo may drop the ISOs from MythVideo. You had been warned. |
| [00:31:09] | Josh`: | RDV_Linux, Looks as though that did the trick. Thanks. :) |
| [00:31:12] | Josh`: | RDV_Linux, Not a problem. I dont keep video ISOs anyway : |
| [00:31:23] | RDV_Linux: | Josh`: glad to hear that |
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| [00:42:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Thanks for the update, sorry, didn't realize it needed a manual update for every new field |
| [00:43:34] | iamlindoro: | (although I did know it needed it for each schema revision, I just forgot) |
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| [01:00:14] | Beirdo: | OK, first thing... commit the fixed us_nws scripts |
| [01:01:05] | Beirdo: | they were looking in current working directory for their data, and due to another bug... the "cd" hadn't happened yet in one case |
| [01:01:16] | Beirdo: | so now they are looking specifically in the right spot |
| [01:01:33] | Beirdo: | AND the weather alert date parsing will be working right |
| [01:02:56] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: it usually doesnt, i probably could have done without |
| [01:03:12] | wagnerrp: | i just didnt want to bother testing it |
| [01:03:28] | wagnerrp: | and didnt want to worry about complaints of 'this field does not support NULL' |
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| [01:04:17] | iamlindoro: | Heh. I actually allowed it to support NULL |
| [01:04:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i didnt see a 'NOT NULL' in the line |
| [01:04:42] | wagnerrp: | didnt know if there was some form of table default or something |
| [01:04:52] | iamlindoro: | Bummer of that enhancement is, TMDB Studio information is of wildly varying quality (like everything else there) |
| [01:05:26] | iamlindoro: | So you get "20th Century fox," "Twentieth Century Fox," "Twentieth Cntry Fox," etc. |
| [01:06:24] | Beirdo: | now to actually test the patch gbee sent me a while back |
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| [01:08:30] | Beirdo: | OK, that seems to be operational, gonna tweak the logging though |
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| [01:14:25] | ** iamlindoro wonders WHY people write entire themes but can't be bothered to spend the couple of evening designing their own widgets ** | |
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| [01:14:48] | iamlindoro: | ie, why use a bunch of widgets you ripped off of Arclight and Graphite, and then spend months afterwards using them |
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| [01:25:33] | rwlove: | with Jamu's ignore-directory section in jamu.conf should the directory paths be absolute, or relative to where mythtv puts it's videos? |
| [01:25:55] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: absolute paths |
| [01:25:56] | rwlove: | The example on mythtv.org seems to indicate absolute, but it's not working for me |
| [01:26:15] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, will it ignore them when doing a mass update? |
| [01:26:46] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, also what version was that section introduced in? |
| [01:26:59] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: Is there a chance that you put quotes around any of the paths? |
| [01:27:16] | rwlove: | nope |
| [01:27:37] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, I may have an older version though |
| [01:27:50] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: The ignore directory paths should work for all MythTV related Jamu functions. |
| [01:28:18] | rwlove: | [ignore-directory] |
| [01:28:18] | rwlove: | ignore01: /var/lib/mythtv/videos/Download/ |
| [01:28:18] | rwlove: | ignore02: /var/lib/mythtv/videos/Random/ |
| [01:28:18] | rwlove: | ignore03: /var/lib/mythtv/videos/MMA/ |
| [01:28:18] | rwlove: | ignore04: /var/lib/mythtv/videos/Transfers/ |
| [01:28:28] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, looks like the right syntax? |
| [01:28:51] | rwlove: | rwlove@thecore:~$ /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py -v |
| [01:28:51] | rwlove: | Title: (JAMU – Just.Another.Metadata.Utility); Version: (v0.7.3); Author: (R.D.Vaughan) |
| [01:29:30] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: That looks good to me. Are you using storage groups? Although that should not make any difference. The version also looks late enough. |
| [01:29:40] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, no storage groups |
| [01:29:59] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, those video directories are links, does that matter? |
| [01:31:22] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: Links should be OK. Do a /..../jamu.py -MVf to make sure the directories Jamu lists are the same absolute paths as you listed. |
| [01:32:08] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: At least up to the sub directory you want ignored. |
| [01:32:45] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, yeah, that shows that they should be ignored |
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| [01:33:46] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: Well I know that function works on my install so I would only be guessing on what the issue is. |
| [01:34:06] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, ok, thanks for the pointers... I'll play around with it a bit more |
| [01:35:00] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: Maybe to a normal directory without symlink as I cannot remember testing that with the ignore function. |
| [01:37:48] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, I added both symlink dirs and real dirs... will see what happens |
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| [01:38:06] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: OK I will be around |
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| [01:48:12] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, hmmm... still processing those files... |
| [01:48:28] | rwlove: | RDV_Linux, don't have time to fully debug it right now... will have to take a look later.. .thx |
| [01:48:46] | RDV_Linux: | rwlove: I have no idea I hope find out what the issue is. |
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| [02:52:40] | kormoc: | sphery, know offhand if we can easily wrapper MSqlQuery.exec ? |
| [02:53:55] | Josh`: | I'm having a helluva time figuring out how to lump ALL my recorded programs into the list in "watch recordings".. I've added LiveTV to the Group View, as well as the group filter, but it just adds it as a category, it doesnt just lump the shows together. How is the best way to achieve this? |
| [02:56:49] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, MQslQuery is, TTBOMK already a wrapper of QSqlQuery |
| [02:56:59] | kormoc: | ahh, cool |
| [02:57:16] | iamlindoro: | so just probably depends on what you want to do with it/how you want to use it |
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| [02:57:40] | kormoc: | I'm gonna try adding in a profile step to it |
| [02:58:06] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Ah, you can exec as many as you want, just have to modify the query in between |
| [02:58:45] | iamlindoro: | and for extra win you can check the bool return of .exec |
| [02:59:04] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [02:59:56] | iamlindoro: | ie, query.prepare(blah); if (query.exec()) { query.prepare(moreblah); if (query.exec()) { etc etc } } |
| [03:00:08] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [03:00:48] | Beirdo: | has mythnews been updated to using mythui properly? |
| [03:01:07] | iamlindoro: | Yes, MythNews should be all MythUI |
| [03:01:16] | Beirdo: | I'm just looking at the "m_nositesText" as I want to do something similar in MythWeather |
| [03:01:18] | iamlindoro: | though there are some parts of it aside from the UI that are a little yucky |
| [03:01:29] | iamlindoro: | (ie, it's very early MythUI, so some of the best practices aren't there_) |
| [03:01:50] | Beirdo: | the UIUtilW::Assign call is the part that's making me go "hmmm?" :) |
| [03:02:08] | iamlindoro: | UIUtil is just a helper function |
| [03:02:35] | iamlindoro: | it's in place of having a dynamic cast to the MythUIType, and helps save you having to check that the widget exists everywhere |
| [03:02:41] | Beirdo: | Ahhh |
| [03:02:59] | iamlindoro: | UIUtilW = optional, UIUtilE = essential |
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| [03:03:35] | iamlindoro: | a "no sites" textarea also exists in MythVideo and MythNetvision, I can't recall which way I did them but they are slightly newer |
| [03:03:43] | Beirdo: | right now (uncommitted) I have it so if all configured screens lack copyright widgets, it will just say at the menu |
| [03:04:04] | Beirdo: | and I think a screen saying WHY it's not working would be preferrable :) |
| [03:04:32] | iamlindoro: | yeah, and that would be consistent with MNV/MV/etc. |
| [03:05:13] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:05:36] | Beirdo: | I just really don't feel like adding another widget to every flippin theme :) |
| [03:05:52] | Beirdo: | I know, I'm whining |
| [03:05:53] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [03:06:50] | Beirdo: | although they do have to have the update_text widget. Hmm |
| [03:09:32] | Beirdo: | this thing needs a overhaul post-release, that's for sure |
| [03:09:36] | Beirdo: | whenever that is |
| [03:13:36] | Beirdo: | Ahhh, I like these macros |
| [03:15:55] | Beirdo: | well, not macros, technically, they are templated classes, but still :) |
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| [03:23:17] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [03:23:47] | Beirdo: | Another string to be translated, alas |
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| [03:25:05] | Beirdo: | QObject::moveToThread: Current thread (0x7f56408a4b10) is not the object's thread (0x7f5640d53b20). |
| [03:25:08] | Beirdo: | Cannot move to target thread (0x4746710) |
| [03:25:08] | Beirdo: | what the? |
| [03:25:37] | Beirdo: | wonder what's managing to do that? |
| [03:25:52] | kormoc: | more then one QT lib typically |
| [03:28:46] | kormoc: | Ugh |
| [03:28:54] | kormoc: | strings suck in c++ |
| [03:30:01] | Beirdo: | why now? |
| [03:30:20] | Beirdo: | we use QString most of the time which isn't standard C++ anyways |
| [03:30:30] | kormoc: | qstring is just as bad |
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| [03:30:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:30:45] | kormoc: | it's too easy to screw up using it |
| [03:30:51] | Beirdo: | I'm still a C string person, personally |
| [03:31:02] | Beirdo: | but yeah, danger at every hand |
| [03:31:04] | kormoc: | ooh, you're concatting a int to a string? CRASH AND BURN WITH THE FIRES OF HADES! |
| [03:31:31] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [03:31:57] | Beirdo: | you wanna do what? GAH, I think I'll dump core now |
| [03:32:31] | Beirdo: | gotta love that response, eh? |
| [03:33:05] | kormoc: | especially when it's the next step after deleteing everything from program/credits/etc |
| [03:37:29] | Beirdo: | OK, full recompile time |
| [03:38:04] | Beirdo: | then I can put in #8863 after a wee bit more testing on my end |
| [03:38:19] | Beirdo: | and the mythweather copyright widget enforcement |
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| [03:50:16] | Beirdo: | come on... finish before 9 so I can restart the backend pre-recording :) |
| [03:50:33] | Beirdo: | it's on mythmusic right now |
| [03:54:02] | Beirdo: | and done. whew :) |
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| [04:03:46] | Beirdo: | are there any restrictions on the return type of a function declared as public slot: |
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| [04:27:48] | Vegeta99: | hi guys. I'm new to the whole mythtv thing, but I've got my setup MOSTLY working. I have a Happague HVR-950Q that has an analog and ClearQAM tuner. I've got both working on the backend and can watch QAM and analog channels in XBMC, but when I use the MythTV front end, and press "Y" in LiveTV mode, my keyboard stops working. |
| [04:27:56] | Vegeta99: | I can't figure out how to get the remote to work either |
| [04:28:51] | kormoc: | We don't support XBMC in here, you'll need to ask them about their software |
| [04:29:14] | Vegeta99: | XBMC works fine. It's the MythTV frontend that keeps locking up |
| [04:29:34] | iamlindoro: | If it hangs when you press "Y," you are using a very, very old version |
| [04:29:39] | iamlindoro: | ie, that was fixed before .23's release |
| [04:29:52] | iamlindoro: | meaning you are probably using the "stock" Ubuntu packages, which say they are .23, but aren't |
| [04:29:59] | Vegeta99: | bingo |
| [04:30:07] | Vegeta99: | mythbuntu |
| [04:30:28] | iamlindoro: | You should askin #mythbuntu how to enable their nightly builds of .23 so that you can get onto actual .23 |
| [04:30:34] | Vegeta99: | well that's what I get for takin' the easy way out |
| [04:30:40] | Vegeta99: | okay. |
| [04:30:40] | iamlindoro: | what you have right now is a fairly broken development version |
| [04:30:59] | iamlindoro: | (which unfortunately makes us look bad by being marketed as ".23") |
| [04:31:05] | wagnerrp: | and xbmc, which says it speaks protocol version 56, when it really doesnt? |
| [04:31:21] | iamlindoro: | heh, yep |
| [04:31:36] | Vegeta99: | wagnerrp: well, I'm using the svn build of Dharma. so I don't know if it does or not |
| [04:32:29] | iamlindoro: | Vegeta99, what wagnerrp is getting at is that all XBMC interfaces with MythTV ask Myth what "language" it speaks, then pretend that they speak it-- meaning they can and might damage your myth setup by feeding it garbage data |
| [04:33:13] | iamlindoro: | Their whole interface with Myth presumes that nothing changes in the protocol, when in actuality it does, very, very often |
| [04:33:27] | iamlindoro: | as in, three times this last week, for example |
| [04:33:38] | Vegeta99: | from what I gather of the xbmc team, they're pretty fragmented |
| [04:33:55] | Vegeta99: | I just built my htpc this weekend, I was using an old xbox |
| [04:34:47] | wagnerrp: | something else we dont support (or xmbc for that matter) |
| [04:36:30] | Vegeta99: | i understand. |
| [04:37:01] | Beirdo: | there. |
| [04:37:35] | Beirdo: | unless someone finds another bug, I'm done. for now. Bug fixing only for the next what? month? |
| [04:37:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [04:38:35] | Vegeta99: | anyone happen to know what remote control interface I should be using for that tuner? some googling suggests it sends keyboard presses, but not really enough detail for me to get it working |
| [04:39:04] | Beirdo: | and CRUD. lost my matchup in the first round of Fantasy Baseball playoffs... by 7 points out of 667 |
| [04:39:09] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [04:39:22] | Beirdo: | off to the loser pool I go :) |
| [04:39:56] | Vegeta99: | ouch, that's rough man |
| [04:40:56] | Vegeta99: | anyway, i've got apt downloading "v0.24" as they call it now. i'll let you guys know if that fixes the tuner issue |
| [04:41:37] | iamlindoro: | NO |
| [04:41:39] | iamlindoro: | don't do that |
| [04:41:50] | Vegeta99: | ? |
| [04:42:06] | iamlindoro: | What they call ".24" is trunk-- meaning, you'll be upgrading from one development version to another |
| [04:42:14] | iamlindoro: | As previously mentioned, install *.23* |
| [04:42:26] | iamlindoro: | There *is* not .24 |
| [04:42:36] | iamlindoro: | and there won't be until .24 is released |
| [04:43:18] | Vegeta99: | lol. this is why you build from source and dont trust your package maintainer... |
| [04:44:05] | fedorared: | Or get a better package maintainer |
| [04:46:06] | Beirdo: | I think all the main packagers will be falling in line with the versioning post-release... I hope :) |
| [04:47:46] | Vegeta99: | ill cross my fingers. |
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| [04:54:25] | fedorared: | Ah supposedly Fedora myth packages are based on the released archive |
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| [05:01:21] | Wicked: | hmm is there rss feed for news on the frontpage? |
| [05:04:38] | Wicked: | seems there is....but i dont see any links to it from the frontpage...i randomly stumbled upon a blog post and in the comments it mentions http://www.mythtv.org/feed |
| [05:07:11] | wagnerrp: | do you have a browser that supports rss feeds? |
| [05:07:32] | Wicked: | yea...but its mainly for my rss ircbot |
| [05:07:39] | Wicked: | i dont check the frontpage often enough |
| [05:08:14] | wagnerrp: | then click the rss icon in the address bar |
| [05:08:22] | wagnerrp: | and it will redirect you to the feed |
| [05:08:38] | Wicked: | interesting.... |
| [05:08:47] | Wicked: | it does...but it redirects me to a different site |
| [05:08:54] | Wicked: | to feedburner |
| [05:08:57] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [05:09:10] | Wicked: | is that done via something in html? |
| [05:09:19] | Wicked: | because i did not see any links to the rss feed |
| [05:09:22] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [05:09:36] | Wicked: | ah. |
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| [05:10:31] | kormoc: | We want you to use feedburner, it's much easier on the server and gives us nifty stats |
| [05:11:18] | Wicked: | how often is the feedburner synced? |
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| [05:12:39] | kormoc: | hourly |
| [05:12:55] | Chromag: | has anyone had any issues with line artifacts? |
| [05:12:57] | Wicked: | excelent. |
| [05:13:06] | Chromag: | during fast movement I'm seeing lines |
| [05:13:10] | Wicked: | *excellent |
| [05:13:23] | kormoc: | Chromag, enable a deinterlacer |
| [05:13:50] | Chromag: | Im new to Myth – where do I enable that? |
| [05:14:18] | Chromag: | I'm using an HVR1600 connected to an antenna via ATSC |
| [05:14:51] | wagnerrp: | hour and a half left... think were done for commits? |
| [05:15:44] | Vegeta99: | Score!! Updating to the latest nightly build of v0.23 (or whatever mythbuntu gives me for that) fixed my tuner switch problem, thanks guys |
| [05:16:09] | Chromag: | congrats! |
| [05:16:40] | Chromag: | I also hope they update it to 10.04.1 so RAID isn't borked ;) |
| [05:16:54] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
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| [05:17:09] | wagnerrp: | 10.04.1? |
| [05:17:11] | Vegeta99: | thanks man |
| [05:17:20] | Vegeta99: | wagnerrp: he's talkin mythbuntu. |
| [05:17:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, didnt know they issued intermediate releases |
| [05:17:42] | Chromag: | apparently the Ubuntu 10.04 installer has an issue with RAID1 |
| [05:17:59] | wagnerrp: | i thought they just did the biannual releases |
| [05:18:32] | Chromag: | I couldnt get Mythbuntu to install on my hardware striped RAID setup |
| [05:18:39] | Vegeta99: | I think you're right, and this one was a Long Term Support release |
| [05:18:42] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: just over an hour and a half... and I'm done |
| [05:18:57] | Chromag: | I had to dump RAID and just split my two 160GB drives |
| [05:19:07] | Beirdo: | unless there's bugfixes brought to my attention, which is a different issue anyways :) |
| [05:19:20] | kormoc: | RAID-0 is striping, RAID-1 is mirroring |
| [05:19:24] | Beirdo: | for now, I get to watch a pile of video |
| [05:19:30] | Shadowfir: | Need some help. Have a Sony WEGA 36" (old tv) – was having problems with getting it cleanly show on component from a Galaxy Nvidia 9500 GT thru the svideo/component connector at HD480i – was getting a half screen with garbage at top, but cleaned that up with nvidia-xconfig, Now I am getting (EE) Problem parsing the config file and (EE) Error parsing the config file. |
| [05:19:47] | Chromag: | oops sorry – mine is striped, RAID0 |
| [05:20:16] | Chromag: | I was planning on purchasing a couple TB drives in the near future and mirroring them... RAID1 on the brain I suppose :) |
| [05:20:36] | wagnerrp: | svideo to component? |
| [05:20:38] | Vegeta99: | haha, I had to force myself to only buy a single drive at fry's today |
| [05:20:43] | Shadowfir: | component |
| [05:20:51] | wagnerrp: | why not just use svideo directly |
| [05:21:18] | wagnerrp: | unless are you considering one of those mini-din breakout connectors |
| [05:21:25] | Chromag: | I suppose I'll google mythtv deinterlacing – hopefully that'll fix the line artifacts |
| [05:21:30] | wagnerrp: | s/considering/meaning/ |
| [05:22:21] | Chromag: | the mythtv frontend also crashes about half the time – any ideas what log I should check to see why? |
| [05:22:22] | Shadowfir: | I guess it really doesn't matter I guess if I use svideo.. since I guess it will also do 408i |
| [05:22:29] | Shadowfir: | oops 480i that is |
| [05:22:41] | wagnerrp: | im saying you cant just change svideo to component |
| [05:22:49] | wagnerrp: | you either need an expensive scan converter |
| [05:23:08] | Chromag: | I click on "Live TV" – it goes to the "Please wait" screen, then shows the current channel info with program data.. then blanks out and shows the window manager screen |
| [05:23:09] | wagnerrp: | or you actually have component output through a mini-din plug |
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| [05:23:44] | Shadowfir: | The video cards come with TV-Out that double as s-video/component |
| [05:23:51] | Shadowfir: | sometimes they come with cable too |
| [05:24:01] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [05:24:03] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:24:11] | Beirdo: | s-video/composite |
| [05:24:28] | Shadowfir: | mine came with both svideo cable and a component piece |
| [05:24:36] | wagnerrp: | its a proprietary mini-din connector, that can output both svideo or component |
| [05:24:38] | Shadowfir: | no ---componet |
| [05:24:42] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [05:24:43] | Shadowfir: | trust me |
| [05:24:59] | wagnerrp: | it is not an svideo connector |
| [05:24:59] | kormoc: | the output doesn't 'double' as |
| [05:25:05] | Beirdo: | fair enough, seen a lot of people make that mistake |
| [05:25:18] | kormoc: | it's a connector with extra pins that output the alternate signal |
| [05:25:26] | Beirdo: | right. fun |
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| [05:25:52] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [05:25:58] | ** Beirdo eyes the fridge ** | |
| [05:26:52] | Shadowfir: | kormoc... well it can be used with svideo and component... http://pinoutsguide.com/Video/nvidea_gforce_pinout.shtml |
| [05:28:42] | Shadowfir: | but I was trying to use the component and have everything set now to where I have the video straighted out.. just not using nvidia x drivers and getting the (EE) Problem parsing the config file. |
| [05:28:58] | kormoc: | yes, but it's *not* a 4 pin mini-din svideo connector |
| [05:29:07] | kormoc: | as it has 7 pins |
| [05:29:14] | Shadowfir: | correct .. it's the 7pin |
| [05:29:31] | Beirdo: | watching Top Gear racing city busses |
| [05:29:56] | Beirdo: | this is hilarious |
| [05:30:23] | Beirdo: | they drive only slightly better than King County drivers... |
| [05:30:34] | Beirdo: | err. slightly worse :) |
| [05:30:47] | Beirdo: | rolled a double-decker |
| [05:32:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Guess the guy on the list thinks this: http://git.mvpmc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=cmyth.git;a=shortlog is "well maintained" |
| [05:32:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:32:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, was just reading his tripe |
| [05:32:39] | Shadowfir: | wagnerrp: they changed the connector on this.. the one I am use to has both the svideo and component built in to the same connector... they boxed a separate svideo and component piece |
| [05:32:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Never mind the last time they added support for a new protocol, it was 44 |
| [05:33:00] | iamlindoro: | 17 versions ago |
| [05:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh. almost 20 ago |
| [05:33:05] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:33:30] | Beirdo: | and how far behind 0.23.1? |
| [05:33:45] | iamlindoro: | .23.1 is 57 |
| [05:33:45] | Beirdo: | 2300+ :) (snicker) |
| [05:34:01] | Beirdo: | isn't it 2357 or 23057? |
| [05:34:04] | iamlindoro: | .23 is 56, .22 was 46 if memory serves |
| [05:34:17] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, anways |
| [05:34:23] | Beirdo: | 57–44... |
| [05:34:25] | wagnerrp: | 50, i think |
| [05:34:41] | Beirdo: | so they support... 0.21? yeah, that's really supported :) |
| [05:36:19] | wagnerrp: | is that? yes! it is! it uses 'goto's |
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| [05:38:35] | iamlindoro: | http://git.mvpmc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=cmy . . . a8c109f5a4ea |
| [05:38:58] | iamlindoro: | Go go gadget raw DB access |
| [05:39:19] | Vegeta99: | bleh. OK guys. I can switch tuners correctly now, but the frontend still locks up. keyboard becomes nonresponsive, but video still plays flawlessly, and X is still responsive (I can alt+tab out) |
| [05:39:49] | Vegeta99: | im not even sure where to start troubleshooting |
| [05:41:26] | Chromag: | I've googled and looked through the Playback settings – is there somewhere obvious I'm missing where I can enable deinterlacing to stop the line artifact issue? |
| [05:41:52] | Shadowfir: | Vegeta99: I had that problem when I was able to get to the desktop after changing some things in my xorg.conf. I thought it was due to me not having my Nvidia X drivers loading up.. |
| [05:42:57] | Vegeta99: | Shadowfir: I've got the nvidia non-frees loaded. It's whatever version that comes with mythbuntu, but it happened with the 256 beta also. |
| [05:43:56] | Shadowfir: | Vegeta99: I am having an issue loading them up. For some reason with Mythbuntu 10.4 I have had nothing but trouble with loading what normally only takes a little or no tweaking with earlier versions of Mythbuntu in the video setup department.. |
| [05:45:02] | Vegeta99: | did ya give the beta drivers a shot? |
| [05:45:08] | Shadowfir: | Vegeta99: oh. I gotcha. Yea.. I am pretty much running that too.. since the nvidia drivers are not correctly loading up |
| [05:46:33] | Vegeta99: | that's weird. every system i've ever used with an nVidia gpu never gave me a problem |
| [05:46:37] | Shadowfir: | My configuration of the xorg.config is making my splash screen hang. and giving me a (EE) Problem parsing the config file. |
| [05:46:52] | Shadowfir: | no.. the problem is not with the GPU |
| [05:47:13] | Vegeta99: | ah. I haven't had to screw around with an x config file since about 2000 |
| [05:47:21] | Vegeta99: | so i'm not gonna be much help |
| [05:48:01] | Shadowfir: | the video card does fine.. it's that I have it hooked to a Sony WEGA 36" through the GPU's 7pin mini-din connector |
| [05:50:10] | Vegeta99: | honestly, on this laptop I'm on now, I never got tv-out to work right (i didn't try very hard). thank god the htpc has hdmi |
| [05:50:37] | Beirdo: | Shadowfir: there should be plenty of available modelines to be found via google |
| [05:51:04] | Shadowfir: | I wish I had a new LCD or LED tv with HDMI.. I have one on the motherboard just crying out to be used... |
| [05:51:37] | Beirdo: | you have the second best CRT TV in existance and you are whining? |
| [05:51:45] | Vegeta99: | haha |
| [05:52:13] | Beirdo: | the best being the 43"... assuming you have the XBR WEGA of course |
| [05:52:16] | Shadowfir: | Beirdo: Understand. I have most of that taken care of.. just need to find the typo in the xorg.conf |
| [05:53:02] | Shadowfir: | Beirdo: and find out why the Nvidia X drivers are not loading up properly... |
| [05:53:15] | Beirdo: | enjoy :) |
| [05:53:18] | Vegeta99: | 43" CRT?! holy hell! I had a 1080i 30" and THAT weighed at least 150lb |
| [05:53:32] | Beirdo: | the 36" XBR with stand > 300lb |
| [05:53:47] | Vegeta99: | yikes! is that 16:9 or 4:3? |
| [05:53:48] | Beirdo: | the 43" XBR without stand was 350, I think |
| [05:53:52] | Beirdo: | 4:3 |
| [05:54:01] | Beirdo: | I used to have the 36" |
| [05:54:02] | Vegeta99: | I had a motorcycle that weighed less than that. |
| [05:54:07] | Vegeta99: | couldn't watch TV on it, tho |
| [05:54:09] | Beirdo: | very very nice TV |
| [05:54:35] | Vegeta99: | I will admit, I miss CRTs. pretty happy with my plasma tho. |
| [05:54:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's CRT, but it was nice |
| [05:55:15] | Beirdo: | my Samsung LCD will do |
| [05:55:31] | Vegeta99: | Shadowfir: I believe there's a tool to verify your xorg.conf. and IIRC from the X11R6 days, doesn't X spit out the line number that it doesn't like |
| [05:56:12] | Vegeta99: | Samsung makes some good TVs. My old CRT 1080i was a Sanyo with an insufficient power supply, so it was a pain in the ass to keep the geometry correct |
| [05:57:03] | Chromag: | I've got mine hooked up to a Samsung 56" DLP |
| [05:57:22] | Chromag: | it's not a bad TV |
| [05:58:00] | Chromag: | although Myth doesn't fill the screen completely – but I have other issues going on that are more important :) |
| [05:58:05] | Vegeta99: | I used to think DLP was the coolest thing ever until someone had to be a dick and point out the rainbow effect to me and now I always see it, but I think most newer TVs come with 3 processors |
| [05:58:08] | Shadowfir: | eek!!! I don't know why I was calling it a WEGA.. I think because I was window shopping a bit |
| [05:58:12] | wagnerrp: | !seen anaerin |
| [05:58:12] | MythLogBot: | anaerin was last seen 1769 days 11 hours 10 minutes 12 seconds ago |
| [05:58:19] | wagnerrp: | wow, thats been a while |
| [05:58:21] | Vegeta99: | ha |
| [05:58:23] | Vegeta99: | yeah |
| [05:58:48] | Chromag: | hehe well this is one of the last versions of the DLP's with the color wheel |
| [05:58:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:59:00] | Beirdo: | where'd you dig that name up from? |
| [05:59:03] | Vegeta99: | Chromag: well, i'll tell ya because I got mine playing 1080i ATSC goodness, and it's great once ya get it workin |
| [05:59:14] | Chromag: | thankfully I dont see the rainbow effect |
| [05:59:22] | Vegeta99: | yeah don't start lookin for it. |
| [05:59:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thats Robery Johnson, defending libcmyth on the mailing list |
| [05:59:33] | Chromag: | oh I did prior to purchasing it |
| [05:59:38] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [05:59:39] | wagnerrp: | Robert Johnston |
| [05:59:47] | Beirdo: | nice Freudian slip |
| [05:59:53] | Shadowfir: | Vegeta99: Do you know what the tool is called? |
| [06:00:15] | wagnerrp: | no, i just seem to have trouble hitting that 't' |
| [06:00:27] | Vegeta99: | Shadowfir: unfortunately, I do not. I haven't used *nix as a desktop in years. but windows media center sucks, so the HTPC is running Linux |
| [06:00:36] | Chromag: | so on the wiki it shows some outdated screen for enabling deinterlacing |
| [06:01:01] | Chromag: | any idea where that option is? it looks like it should be under the TV playback settings |
| [06:01:19] | Shadowfir: | The tv I have is a Sony Trinitron TV – model KV-32FS100 |
| [06:01:47] | Beirdo: | Chromag: playback profiles, I think. I don't recall anymore |
| [06:01:55] | Vegeta99: | Chromag: when i was in high school, they got a few mil to re-do our auditorium, and pretty much let a few of us nerdy kids run wild. we had a top of the line DLP projector that projected onto a 50' cyclorama... at that size, even at 1080i, it's noticable. |
| [06:03:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: adobe has had the firefox version of flash download taking you to the download manager page for a long time |
| [06:03:52] | Beirdo: | flash THIS |
| [06:03:53] | sphery: | they just took away the link to the direct download, but ttbomk, it still exists--you just have to find the URI elsewhere |
| [06:04:12] | Shadowfir: | LOL – it is a WEGA.. but an old one ... http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KV-32FS100-WEGA-silver/dp/B00006LHGV |
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| [06:05:19] | sphery: | kormoc: MSqlQuery is already a wrapper for QSqlQuery (and, IIRC, already wrappers QSqlQuery::exec()), so it should be easy to add behaviors to the method. |
| [06:05:27] | Chromag: | gah I dont see playback profiles... I see recording profiles |
| [06:05:41] | Chromag: | ugh Im sure this is staring me in the face and Im just not seeing it |
| [06:05:52] | Beirdo: | sphery: welcome back :) |
| [06:05:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:06:00] | sphery: | heh, thanks :) |
| [06:06:01] | Vegeta99: | Chromag: Let me know if you find it, I'll help ya look in a minute |
| [06:06:05] | sphery: | catching up--lots to read in #mythtv |
| [06:06:19] | sphery: | teach me to take a whole afternoon and night to play board games |
| [06:06:29] | Beirdo: | awww, I wish |
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| [06:08:31] | Vegeta99: | hm, now that I had to crash it out because the keyboard quit, mythfrontend segfaults. |
| [06:08:56] | Beirdo: | Vegeta99: you need to start doing some debugging, I guess. |
| [06:09:08] | Vegeta99: | yeah, guess so. second try, it started up fine. |
| [06:09:19] | Beirdo: | i.e. backtraces, etc. it's covered on the wiki, I believe |
| [06:09:22] | Vegeta99: | libQtCore took it out. |
| [06:09:27] | Vegeta99: | I'll take a look |
| [06:09:39] | Beirdo: | and what version are you running? |
| [06:09:56] | Vegeta99: | whatever mythbuntu calls |
| [06:10:00] | Chromag: | speaking of – is there a log file I should check when the frontend crashes? |
| [06:10:06] | Vegeta99: | "0.23.1" |
| [06:10:18] | Vegeta99: | Chromag: since mine was a segfault, it was in dmesg |
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| [06:10:22] | Chromag: | Im having an issue where it crashes when tuning into an ATSC channel |
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| [06:11:00] | Beirdo: | mythfrontend --version |
| [06:11:13] | Beirdo: | Ah, ok |
| [06:11:32] | Beirdo: | Chromag: yes, if you have it logging |
| [06:11:50] | Chromag: | ahh it's a default configuration – not sure if it is or not |
| [06:12:05] | Vegeta99: | mythfrontend version: brances/release-0-23-fixes [26057] |
| [06:12:13] | Chromag: | I'm new and stupid – sorry ;) |
| [06:12:35] | Vegeta99: | Chromag: you're not the only one. but if you think this is bad, try law school |
| [06:12:38] | Beirdo: | Vegeta99: K. almost current |
| [06:12:48] | Beirdo: | for 0.23-fixes :) |
| [06:13:01] | Chromag: | not new to Linux thankfully – but the whole MythTV is new to me.. trying to convince the wife to get away from this stupid DirecTV HD DVR box |
| [06:13:20] | Chromag: | ok law school sounds way worse |
| [06:13:34] | Vegeta99: | do it! haha I wasn't gonna pay Cox for a $15/month box that does less than this |
| [06:13:49] | Beirdo: | I'll pass on law school |
| [06:14:03] | Vegeta99: | Beirdo: haha good. I'm keepin current with xbmc, i think keeping up with 2 projects might be too much haha |
| [06:14:19] | Vegeta99: | yeah, it's a bitch. hence, building the HTPC to not think about it. and timeshift, lol |
| [06:14:37] | Chromag: | well D*TV must use the worst hardware ever – this box is so damned slow it's driving me insane |
| [06:15:04] | Vegeta99: | I've never messed with any other than a Comcast DVR, and that was shit |
| [06:15:13] | Beirdo: | OK, people... language... |
| [06:15:19] | Vegeta99: | apologies |
| [06:15:38] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I'm still hungry |
| [06:15:42] | Chromag: | well I've used Tivo since around 1998 or so.. and when they dumped them and made me get their DVR *shudders* |
| [06:16:10] | Vegeta99: | I always wanted to get a tivo to hack around with, never had enough money to do it haha |
| [06:16:30] | Chromag: | I've mentioned this before here – but I still have my original Tivo box |
| [06:16:42] | Chromag: | original hardware |
| [06:16:52] | Shadowfir: | Vegeta99: I keep up with Mythtv, XBMC, Boxee and Hulu Desktop as a part of what I use for my DVR needs :) |
| [06:16:53] | Vegeta99: | well, i gots my toy now :P |
| [06:17:04] | Chromag: | and I was the chump who didn't buy the lifetime back then for $99 for I've been paying like $10–12 a month for what.. 12 years now? |
| [06:17:18] | Vegeta99: | Shadowfir: bet you're not a law student :P |
| [06:17:41] | Shadowfir: | nah.. I am a computer consultant for small business |
| [06:18:08] | Chromag: | Im just surprised that that a 12 year old hard drive is still working strong and recording TV |
| [06:18:12] | Vegeta99: | that was my first choice of career.... and then the tech crash happened as I was going to undergrad |
| [06:21:03] | Vegeta99: | hm, quite weird. keyboard doesn't lock up unless I change tuners. enough troubleshootin for one night, pan's labyrinth is on lol |
| [06:21:24] | Shadowfir: | yup... computer science was fun and programming and all.. but I couldn't commit my self to sitting in a chair to long.. so I decided to keep moving on the computer side and consult |
| [06:22:43] | Shadowfir: | Now I just commit my self to sitting in a chair when I am playing PC games or web development... |
| [06:22:55] | Vegeta99: | haha |
| [06:22:58] | Shadowfir: | :) |
| [06:23:27] | Vegeta99: | I didn't get far from the chair, I've probably read a good 750 pages since school started 3 weeks ago and wrote a good 100 |
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| [06:24:33] | Shadowfir: | nice |
| [06:26:11] | Shadowfir: | I love what I do now though.. Like I am recoving data on a machine in the back ground for a company.. the drive failed and they need the data... *I have another one waiting for me to finish to get to that one too :) |
| [06:26:47] | Vegeta99: | I woulda loved it too, but when I was picking my major, all the jobs were goin overseas |
| [06:27:24] | Shadowfir: | Well.. that is why I work with small business.. not medium or large... big difference... |
| [06:27:42] | Chromag: | well I'll poke around finding the deinterlacing option, and the crashing thing, and the filling the screen thing.. later.. night all |
| [06:27:57] | Vegeta99: | Chromag: i think i found the option, actually. |
| [06:28:05] | Chromag: | oh? |
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| [06:28:15] | Shadowfir: | You name it .. I get to do and play with it... even though they are small companies... still awsome... Worked with a company developing RFID cards... |
| [06:28:20] | Chromag: | well that would be one problem down! :) |
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| [06:28:59] | Shadowfir: | get to mess with juniper firewalls and routers... and the list goes on... |
| [06:29:02] | Vegeta99: | under Recording profiles, there's an option to record with interlace processing. not sure if its what you're looking for, but I'm not seeing anymore interlacing on 480i NTSC programming, but this is a pretty dim movie and it'd be hard to say |
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| [06:29:44] | Vegeta99: | I was kinda thinking about specializing in IT law. I bet there's big bucks if you're good |
| [06:29:58] | Chromag: | well lets give that a try – hold on |
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| [06:30:47] | wagnerrp: | IT law? i have no idea what that might encompass |
| [06:30:53] | Vegeta99: | to read some court opinions – and i cant cite myself right now – judges are quite intelligent, but nonetheless old and NOT educated in technology, and well, they gotta go on what THEY know, what the lawyers tell them, and what their law clerks tell them |
| [06:31:17] | wagnerrp: | liability claims from productivity loss or worse due to broken programs? |
| [06:31:49] | Beirdo: | intellectual property... etc I'd bet |
| [06:31:54] | Chromag: | I'm not seeing an option for interlacing.. ugh |
| [06:32:05] | wagnerrp: | so you mean patent law |
| [06:32:06] | Vegeta99: | well get on here tomorrow and we'll both hunt around |
| [06:32:15] | wagnerrp: | Chromag: its in the playback profiles |
| [06:32:27] | Chromag: | I checked in playback |
| [06:32:28] | Shadowfir: | In the states they are starting to look at making you get law degrees to do forensics... even pc techs.. if you will be recovering data for law enforcement. |
| [06:32:31] | Beirdo: | there's a lot more to intellectual property than just patents :) |
| [06:32:41] | Vegeta99: | wagnerrp: well, there's more than just that. |
| [06:32:56] | Beirdo: | and I'd bet there's regulatory crap in there too |
| [06:32:57] | Chromag: | wait – I have an option for playback |
| [06:32:58] | Vegeta99: | lemme give you a pretty lame example, but you'll get the point.... you get sued for file sharing |
| [06:32:58] | wagnerrp: | well.. you mean IP law, not IT law |
| [06:33:18] | Chromag: | I have playback, playback OSD, and playback groups |
| [06:33:23] | wagnerrp: | Chromag: did you see a page somewhere that had a bunch of different resolutions listed? |
| [06:34:02] | Vegeta99: | RIAA says on 1/1/2010, you downloaded some stupid song. They also have subpoenaed data from your ISP that says on 1/10/2010, the IP that downloaded the song belonged to you. |
| [06:34:41] | Vegeta99: | a judge, and a bad lawyer on the face of it are both going to believe that an IP address is like a telephone number – it's always tied to you, as long as you have that account with that ISP, even if they state that it came from a DHCP log |
| [06:34:47] | Chromag: | there's a "Video Playback Profile" screen 3/8 |
| [06:35:02] | Chromag: | but there's nothing about interlacing on it |
| [06:35:06] | wagnerrp: | thats the one, deinterlacers are in there |
| [06:35:19] | wagnerrp: | select the range of resolution which matches your content |
| [06:35:23] | wagnerrp: | and click 'edit' |
| [06:36:29] | Chromag: | yeah I see "if rez <= 720 576 & > 0 0 -> XvMx" |
| [06:36:35] | Chromag: | and some other entries |
| [06:36:44] | wagnerrp: | what is your processor? |
| [06:37:00] | Vegeta99: | now you and I both know what on 1/1/2010, you may have had a different IP than you had on 1/10/2010, and they haven't really proven it's you, and a good lawyer just has to explain why. Not too many can. |
| [06:37:47] | Chromag: | it's an AMD processor |
| [06:37:56] | wagnerrp: | generation? speed? |
| [06:38:19] | Chromag: | AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 245 Processor |
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| [06:38:35] | wagnerrp: | then you shouldnt have anything to do with XvMC |
| [06:38:37] | Chromag: | according to cpuinfo – I think it's a dual core 2.9 |
| [06:38:42] | wagnerrp: | what playback profile do you have selected? |
| [06:38:51] | Chromag: | CPU-- is the default |
| [06:38:58] | wagnerrp: | you want to be using Slim |
| [06:39:45] | Chromag: | do I just select that as the profile? any edits? |
| [06:40:03] | Chromag: | there's a Decoder option with Max CPU's and such |
| [06:40:31] | wagnerrp: | just select Slim, and youre done |
| [06:40:40] | wagnerrp: | it should work fine for most setups |
| [06:41:04] | Chromag: | oo I have a GT210, should I use the VDPAU? |
| [06:41:23] | wagnerrp: | do you plan to watch Bluray video? |
| [06:41:32] | Chromag: | nope |
| [06:41:38] | wagnerrp: | dont bother |
| [06:41:43] | Chromag: | okee dokee |
| [06:41:47] | wagnerrp: | your processor is sufficiently fast to handle everything else |
| [06:42:15] | Chromag: | should I select a deinterlacer? |
| [06:42:39] | wagnerrp: | try it unaltered, see if its acceptable |
| [06:42:48] | Chromag: | ok |
| [06:42:51] | wagnerrp: | you can change it from there if you wish |
| [06:43:29] | Chromag: | will I need to restart the frontend? |
| [06:44:05] | Chromag: | without restarting and just hitting ESC and going back to Live TV – Im still seeing the lines |
| [06:44:08] | Shadowfir: | Yah! Super Huey!! |
| [06:45:35] | Chromag: | ok wait – when I go back to the playback options it still shows CPU-- as the default |
| [06:45:56] | Chromag: | is there somewhere I should change it to use the Slim profile by default? |
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| [06:57:02] | Shadowfir: | Vegeta99: I guess I could uninstall the Nvidia drivers and install the beta ones that come with mythubuntu |
| [06:57:20] | Vegeta99: | well, you probably gotta fix your xorg.conf first |
| [06:57:29] | Vegeta99: | BUT installing the beta drivers might do that |
| [06:57:41] | Shadowfir: | vegeta99: I found the issue using vim |
| [06:57:57] | Vegeta99: | give it a shot then! |
| [06:57:58] | Vegeta99: | but |
| [06:58:13] | Shadowfir: | I will be making a backup :) |
| [06:58:45] | Vegeta99: | the beta ones dont come with mythbuntu. its prob a better idea to use the distribution version, because updates will break the drivers otherwise |
| [06:58:58] | Vegeta99: | if there's a kernel update anyway |
| [06:59:03] | Shadowfir: | i see |
| [06:59:20] | Vegeta99: | I'm using the distribution version now and i'm not having any problems |
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| [07:13:44] | Beirdo: | gummy bears FTW |
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| [07:17:29] | sphery: | heh, and now I see I was talking in the wrong channel |
| [07:17:38] | sphery: | way too late to be talking on IRC |
| [07:19:06] | Beirdo: | yeah well, oops |
| [07:20:24] | ** wagnerrp still thinks we should change to a protocol hash for this release ** | |
| [07:21:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: +1 |
| [07:21:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:22:06] | sphery: | after that prime example of users ignoring good advice, especially |
| [07:22:11] | Beirdo: | It will be cool if/when we go to protobuf |
| [07:22:28] | Beirdo: | screw you and your scripts, you gotta speak the language :) |
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| [07:24:55] | Beirdo: | blargh. gummy bears too far away. |
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| [07:33:04] | wagnerrp: | so when do you think the 'party like its 2012' meme is going to start? |
| [07:33:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:34:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:34:33] | Beirdo: | why would I care about 2012? |
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| [07:35:37] | wagnerrp: | its the end of the world, of course |
| [07:35:41] | wagnerrp: | just like it was in 1999 |
| [07:35:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:35:56] | Beirdo: | end of a Mayan cycle |
| [07:36:04] | Beirdo: | 1h before my birthday |
| [07:36:11] | Beirdo: | screw you Mayans |
| [07:37:16] | Beirdo: | can't even let me turn 39 before vaporizing me? :) |
| [07:37:17] | wagnerrp: | of course *nix geeks would party like its 2037 |
| [07:37:25] | Beirdo: | ugh crap, I'll be 39?! |
| [07:37:38] | Beirdo: | OK, now I need beer |
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| [07:47:22] | sid3windr: | if we survive end of unixtime there's still Y2K to worry about (2047) |
| [07:50:11] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [07:51:48] | Beirdo: | muh? |
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| [07:57:48] | wagnerrp: | hehe... Cocoa applications cannot handle dates prior to 1-1–2001 |
| [08:00:53] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:01:00] | justinh: | getting rid of my Joggler today :D |
| [08:01:20] | justinh: | yet another project I started which will never see the light of day! |
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| [08:06:32] | justinh: | good lordy, the mythtvnz mailing list is a bit whiny. why did they even need their own ML anyway? |
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| [08:15:05] | wagnerrp: | any particular examples? |
| [08:15:29] | justinh: | the MNV thread, e.g. |
| [08:16:25] | wagnerrp: | what exactly is 'pre-alpha'? |
| [08:16:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont think people understand what alpha and beta really mean |
| [08:17:05] | justinh: | I think maybe he meant is wasn't suitable for consumption at all |
| [08:17:11] | justinh: | s/is/it/ |
| [08:17:21] | wagnerrp: | neither is alpha grade code |
| [08:18:07] | Beirdo: | pre-alpha? that would be vaporware, no? |
| [08:18:10] | justinh: | this is the whole blinking problem with so many sites relying on flash streaming |
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| [08:18:50] | justinh: | stupid T&Cs, location checks etc.. that & how badly the flash player itself sucks |
| [08:19:57] | justinh: | it's already madly bloated – you'd think they could improve it to at least use a GPU' |
| [08:20:11] | justinh: | duh a GPU's scaling & colour conversion.. *and* sync to vblank |
| [08:21:16] | wagnerrp: | so this hash... 32bit? 64bit? |
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| [08:24:42] | el_duerino: | Hey guys, anybody using mythnuv2mkv? |
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| [08:27:23] | justinh: | nope, but I'd suggest asking a real question instead :) |
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| [08:31:30] | justinh: | like "hey, I'm trying to use mythnuv2mkv with blah blah, to make files of type FOO but it's giving me XYZ errors. Anybody offer me clues? Here's a pastebin of its output: www.pastebin.ca/fdsghhj" |
| [08:33:57] | beatbreaker: | I've got this error message: http://pastebin.ca/1933247 |
| [08:34:00] | beatbreaker: | I can see this in the log files now http://pastebin.ca/1933249 |
| [08:34:18] | beatbreaker: | Why is this happening to meeee..... :.( |
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| [08:35:21] | justinh: | are you selectively pasting again? the only real way to get help of any use is to post the whole backend log from when you last restarted it |
| [08:35:49] | justinh: | and to use a different pasting site since pastebin.ca seems to be broken right now :P |
| [08:36:14] | justinh: | beatbreaker: that was for you btw |
| [08:36:58] | justinh: | dunno about anybody else but 1933247 seems to indicate mythbackend is already running |
| [08:37:54] | wagnerrp: | looks like youve already got one backend running |
| [08:38:01] | wagnerrp: | and youre trying to run a second one |
| [08:38:49] | wagnerrp: | either that, or youve been screwing around with what ports are used for what |
| [08:39:14] | el_duerino: | ok, other way then: Using mythnuv2mkv, the process hangs for a very short movie (5 minutes) since several hours now during the faac encoding |
| [08:39:30] | el_duerino: | any way to find out whats the problem? |
| [08:39:40] | justinh: | el_duerino: running trunk by any chance? |
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| [08:40:40] | el_duerino: | justinh: sorry, what do you mean? |
| [08:40:54] | wagnerrp: | woo! one of them massive bash scripts |
| [08:40:58] | justinh: | probably not then. You know.. the *trunk* version of mythtv |
| [08:41:06] | justinh: | wagnerrp: it's awful, isn't it? |
| [08:41:46] | el_duerino: | justinh: oh, i'm using the version whoch is coming with mythbunto 10.04 |
| [08:41:46] | justinh: | I *really* wish people wouldn't bother reinventing the frickin wheel when it comes to transcoding scripts |
| [08:42:09] | justinh: | el_duerino: that could still be the development version – it depends which repositories you use |
| [08:42:15] | wagnerrp: | mysql access with no schema checks |
| [08:42:57] | el_duerino: | justinh: ok, undestood. Is there any way to encode .nuv files to avi or mpeg and move them to the video folder which works at all? |
| [08:43:14] | wagnerrp: | nuvexport should do |
| [08:43:14] | justinh: | nuvexport |
| [08:43:23] | el_duerino: | justinh: I tried that, never worked |
| [08:43:38] | justinh: | what didn't work about it? |
| [08:43:39] | wagnerrp: | file a ticket against it |
| [08:44:37] | wagnerrp: | el_duerino: that moves stuff into MythVideo? |
| [08:44:40] | justinh: | see, this is the whole problem. somebody finds that an officially supported tool doesn't work or doesn't work exactly as they'd like so they put zillions of hours of effort into making some other tool to do the job – and we end up with a multitude of duplicated (wasted IMHO) effort |
| [08:44:47] | wagnerrp: | the mythnuv2mkv script? |
| [08:45:06] | el_duerino: | justinh: here is the output: |
| [08:45:07] | el_duerino: | Now encoding: THÃœRINGEN JOURNAL: Untitled |
| [08:45:07] | el_duerino: | Encode started: Mon Sep 6 10:44:11 2010 |
| [08:45:07] | el_duerino: | First pass... |
| [08:45:07] | el_duerino: | Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos. |
| [08:45:07] | el_duerino: | Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos. |
| [08:45:07] | el_duerino: | Use of uninitialized value $mythtrans_pid in numeric eq (==) at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/generic.pm line 385, <STDIN> line 13. |
| [08:45:08] | el_duerino: | Starting transcode. |
| [08:45:08] | el_duerino: | Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/transcode.pm line 333, <STDIN> line 13. |
| [08:45:09] | el_duerino: | processed: 0 of 0 frames at 0 fps (~%, eta: unknown) |
| [08:45:09] | el_duerino: | transcode finished. |
| [08:45:10] | el_duerino: | processed: 0 of 0 frames at 0 fps (~%, eta: unknown) |
| [08:45:10] | el_duerino: | transcode died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong. |
| [08:45:11] | el_duerino: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport#Debug_Mode |
| [08:45:12] | wagnerrp: | gah |
| [08:45:13] | justinh: | OI! |
| [08:45:34] | wagnerrp: | el_duerino: you are saying that mythnuv2mkv will export files into mythvideo? |
| [08:45:55] | el_duerino: | wagnerrp: usually, it does (and sometimes it works pretty good) |
| [08:46:05] | wagnerrp: | and what version of mythtv are you using? |
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| [08:47:33] | justinh: | hang on.. if you run BOINC? ROFLMAO |
| [08:47:44] | justinh: | "Boinc passwd, if you run boinc and want to disable it during transcode" |
| [08:47:52] | el_duerino: | MythTV 0.23 build 24104 |
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| [08:48:05] | wagnerrp: | hold on... |
| [08:48:09] | beatbreaker: | justinh, ok will do, I'll get more logs soon |
| [08:48:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah... where did you get that version? |
| [08:48:26] | el_duerino: | mythbuntu |
| [08:48:38] | el_duerino: | it comes from the repository |
| [08:48:40] | wagnerrp: | i thought their release was 150something |
| [08:48:46] | wagnerrp: | either way, its not 0.23 |
| [08:49:12] | el_duerino: | any way to get the version from the command line? |
| [08:49:18] | justinh: | mythbackend --version |
| [08:49:32] | el_duerino: | 24158 |
| [08:49:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [08:49:46] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 was not released until 24509 |
| [08:49:57] | wagnerrp: | so you are running some pre-release, buggy version of mythtv |
| [08:49:57] | el_duerino: | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes |
| [08:50:05] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:50:12] | wagnerrp: | furthermore, that mythnuv2mkv script can only be run against 0.22 |
| [08:50:15] | justinh: | they took what was *gonna* be 0.23-fixes |
| [08:50:19] | wagnerrp: | anything else will result in breakage |
| [08:50:57] | el_duerino: | ok, i thought using repository versions would lead to a stable system.. *sigh* |
| [08:50:58] | justinh: | I've stopped recommending mythbuntu |
| [08:51:56] | justinh: | cannot, with a clear conscience, recommend anything I don't use :) |
| [08:52:53] | Beirdo: | aaaah. cgit |
| [08:52:59] | justinh: | if the 0.24 release slips by & ends up out of sync with ubuntu's next release we'll have the same problem all over again |
| [08:53:01] | wagnerrp: | el_duerino: the ubuntu release is a buggy version of mythtv |
| [08:53:20] | wagnerrp: | if you allow it to continually update against their current repository, it will pull a stable, -fixes build |
| [08:53:29] | Beirdo: | justinh: only if the mythbuntu packagers want it to be |
| [08:53:38] | wagnerrp: | justinh: no, 10.10 will ship with 0.23 |
| [08:53:40] | el_duerino: | ok, and which way do you recommend to gat a stable system? Uninstalling all te repository stuff the start with the .ar.gz release? |
| [08:53:45] | justinh: | not that I'd recommend doing the continual update thing either |
| [08:54:35] | justinh: | Oooo! Updates are available. CLICK! Oh, it wants to reboot. Darnit, now my tuners aren't working :-\ |
| [08:55:27] | justinh: | had to disable their update notifier on my frontend. sometimes it'd come up too late & steal focus from mythfrontend |
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| [08:59:09] | justinh: | you need to update your system NOW, or the sky will fall down! :_O |
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| [09:00:19] | justinh: | not quite as annoyin as Windows updates, but they're getting close |
| [09:01:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:01:32] | Beirdo: | and just like Windows... I ignore it if ubuntu says to reboot |
| [09:02:03] | justinh: | heh who knows how long your grub menu will end up if you let it do every update under the sun |
| [09:02:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:02:38] | Beirdo: | and I run custom kernel build on my mythbox |
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| [09:03:41] | justinh: | s'about time ubuntu had a GUI for managing that boot stuff. yes I know they likely don't want people messing with that, but sooner or later you WILL need to mess with it – and if it's done in as safe a way as possible, so much the better |
| [09:03:56] | Beirdo: | gui THIS |
| [09:04:15] | Beirdo: | about time grub2 can kiss my fat butt |
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| [09:05:37] | Beirdo: | I was fine with grub1 :) |
| [09:05:41] | justinh: | me too |
| [09:07:35] | justinh: | what's it all about anyway? they say you shouldn't edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg but the one file you *are* apparently allowed to edit is er.. useless |
| [09:08:02] | Beirdo: | I dunno. they wanna micro-manage every file from the @#$%ing gui |
| [09:08:17] | justinh: | but they're not |
| [09:08:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, give em time |
| [09:08:31] | justinh: | there doesn't seem to be any way of actually removing menu entries anymore |
| [09:08:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:08:49] | Beirdo: | uninstalling the old kernel should do it |
| [09:09:06] | justinh: | so where the chuff is it getting the list from? looking in /boot ? |
| [09:09:23] | el_duerino: | maybe this will help: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [09:09:28] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure. I gave up on trying to figure it out pretty quickly |
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| [09:11:29] | justinh: | hmmm. apparently it looks in a dir to see what files there are & generates the menu items automagically |
| [09:11:34] | justinh: | how is that supposed to help?! |
| [09:11:52] | Beirdo: | by auto-breaking things? |
| [09:11:55] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [09:12:30] | Beirdo: | yay, got cgit installed on my mythbox |
| [09:13:33] | justinh: | so to shorten the list you can use the packofcrap manager to uninstall old kernels |
| [09:13:37] | justinh: | pfft |
| [09:14:33] | Beirdo: | here... relax... have a beer |
| [09:14:46] | Beirdo: | and happy Labour Day |
| [09:14:59] | justinh: | don't think so. had 1 double JD & coke on friday night & I felt quite drunk |
| [09:15:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:15:12] | justinh: | being a dad has made me a lightweight |
| [09:15:19] | Beirdo: | you're turning into an American |
| [09:15:29] | Beirdo: | can't hold yer booze anymore |
| [09:15:40] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:15:45] | Beirdo: | probably for the best |
| [09:15:46] | justinh: | I ain't no 'merkin, no sir |
| [09:16:02] | Beirdo: | nobody needs a durnk for a dad |
| [09:16:24] | justinh: | I could just go teetotal, then get one of those fishy stickers for the back of my car |
| [09:16:38] | Beirdo: | hah |
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| [09:17:07] | justinh: | went to a kid's 2nd birthday party on Saturday.. nop jelly or icecream for the kids, no booze for the adults.. everybody looked miserable |
| [09:17:21] | justinh: | damn churchies |
| [09:17:50] | Beirdo: | not all churchies are frigging morons, BTW |
| [09:17:56] | justinh: | yeah I know that |
| [09:18:05] | Beirdo: | OK, as long as ya know :) |
| [09:18:13] | justinh: | I once knew some who were really nice, interesting people |
| [09:18:26] | justinh: | and they weren't out to convert every living thing :) |
| [09:18:27] | Beirdo: | seems to be the highly visible ones tend to be though |
| [09:19:20] | justinh: | heck, some of the best times I ever had as a kid were with a detached church youth project |
| [09:19:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:19:36] | justinh: | funded by the church but very much hands-off |
| [09:20:05] | justinh: | tempted to take a swipe at the church of you-know-what in the same breath.. re the hands-off bit |
| [09:20:15] | Beirdo: | better that than the kind of hands-on the Catholics keep getting caught involved in |
| [09:20:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:21:21] | justinh: | I went to a Church of England school & mixed with kids from Methodist & catholic households.. the one thing that made my mind up about organised religion was the hypocrisy |
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| [09:22:28] | justinh: | should be enough to say to people, if you're basically a good person good things will come. But no, it's gotta be ruling by fear & all that. Evil, if you ask me :P |
| [09:23:04] | Beirdo: | OMG, it's 2:30am?! |
| [09:23:10] | justinh: | ahem. meanwhile, back in #mythtv-users .. |
| [09:23:23] | Beirdo: | OK, I should head for bed... no wonder I'm feeling tired :) |
| [09:23:29] | justinh: | lol. night |
| [09:23:53] | Beirdo: | I just get so wrapped up in what I'm doing... I forget about time |
| [09:24:18] | justinh: | nowadays I'm more like "eh? time for another feed already? Oh man" |
| [09:24:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:25:02] | justinh: | had big quality time with the little fella at the weekend though.. so it wasn't like me getting in from work during the week & having to deal with hours of screaming tantrum |
| [09:25:04] | Beirdo: | but, I got the last functional patch in before the freeze |
| [09:25:36] | Beirdo: | fair warning to all themers... |
| [09:25:53] | justinh: | you mean, whoever bothers to theme mythweather ;-) |
| [09:26:01] | Beirdo: | if you don't put copyright widgets in the mythweather pages... mythweather will not display them |
| [09:26:11] | Beirdo: | it's not a full theme unless ya do, mate :) |
| [09:26:28] | justinh: | I've never themed what I didn't use :) |
| [09:26:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:26:55] | Beirdo: | well, whatever works, theming ain't my bag, baby |
| [09:27:22] | Beirdo: | although I may (if I have time to spare) look at redoing/porting an old theme or two into mythui sometime |
| [09:27:27] | justinh: | gimme a widget which can be shown on the menu screens, then I'll talk weather |
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| [09:27:53] | Beirdo: | if/when weather gets moved to the backend, that may happen |
| [09:28:18] | Beirdo: | not that the two are necessarily connected, of course |
| [09:28:36] | justinh: | woot. right. time to crack on making a big mess of cat5 cables. EMC test guy wants 4x cat5 on a 37-way 'D'.. x4 |
| [09:28:43] | Beirdo: | just think it might make it a lot easier, especially for folks with many frontends |
| [09:28:55] | Beirdo: | you have to work?! |
| [09:28:58] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [09:29:09] | Beirdo: | I thought you guys had Labour Day off too? |
| [09:30:25] | Beirdo: | heh, just about the rest of the Commonwealth.. plus the US |
| [09:30:27] | Beirdo: | but not UK |
| [09:30:47] | Beirdo: | you poor overworked... oh wait a minute, you get more holidays than I do, I think :) |
| [09:33:10] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed |
| [09:33:13] | Beirdo: | ttyl |
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| [09:54:59] | justinh: | lol @ the mythtvtalk.com poll a forum user made about 0.23 stablity. 100% find it no less stable |
| [09:55:52] | justinh: | the ignorance of posting a poll like that is shocking though. As if 'installing 0.23' is all somebody might've done to destabilise a working system |
| [10:04:28] | justinh: | only 12 days from my last mythfilldatabase. wth are radiotimes up to? |
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| [10:23:11] | toeb: | anyone running 23.1 and would share his "select * from settings where value like '%SchemaVer';" |
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| [10:38:52] | justinh: | why? have you screwed everything up somehow? |
| [10:41:43] | justinh: | course, you're assuming that somebody else's mythtv install has all the right values in there |
| [11:00:14] | beatbreaker: | HI I don't know if there's something wrong with my database http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/VndWdmz8 |
| [11:00:35] | beatbreaker: | pelase see the bottom of that log i keep getting ERROR when trying to delete file: – the backend runs but these logs don't look good |
| [11:01:12] | justinh: | for one thing it looks like you need to rescan your channels |
| [11:01:23] | justinh: | see # |
| [11:01:24] | justinh: | 2010-09–06 20:57:21.707 DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(772) desired(769) |
| [11:02:03] | justinh: | and looks like it's trying to expire a file which doesn't exist |
| [11:02:14] | justinh: | so it either never existed, or somebody deleted it deliberately |
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| [11:02:49] | justinh: | heh a whole bunch of files apparently don't exist |
| [11:03:00] | beatbreaker: | so how can I get them to go away? it doesn't even look like real path |
| [11:03:14] | beatbreaker: | if it says /suse/ like that is it then just in / |
| [11:03:27] | beatbreaker: | or is it talking about the data directory? |
| [11:03:45] | justinh: | talking about wherever your recordings are stored |
| [11:03:59] | justinh: | if you just set up one storage group for recordings, then it'd be there |
| [11:04:18] | beatbreaker: | I know I can touch them and then when i go into mythtv i can delete them from there?? |
| [11:04:22] | justinh: | but if you have more than one directory set up, then look for the other(s) |
| [11:04:38] | justinh: | yeah that should work, assuming you touch the file into the right place |
| [11:04:56] | justinh: | depends whether or not you set more than one directory or storage group for your recordings |
| [11:05:16] | beatbreaker: | i've only got one storage dir and one live dir |
| [11:05:44] | toeb: | justinh: of course i'd like to get the "right" values... i was thinking of downgrading to 23.1 and was wondering what/ how many Schema changes have been done... |
| [11:05:44] | justinh: | though I'd be wondering why the files aren't there |
| [11:06:08] | beatbreaker: | I might have deleted them myself to save room |
| [11:06:11] | beatbreaker: | I'm not missing anything |
| [11:06:13] | justinh: | toeb: the ONLY way you can ever 'downgrade' to an earlier version of mythtv is by restoring a database backup from *before* the update |
| [11:06:28] | beatbreaker: | there was a time where my live tv stuff wasn't expiring |
| [11:06:33] | justinh: | beatbreaker: deleting files yourself is the route to getting a log full of those kind of errors |
| [11:06:36] | beatbreaker: | so i had to delete it myself |
| [11:06:49] | beatbreaker: | justinh, yes i can see that now |
| [11:07:27] | beatbreaker: | how can i get an output of this?? who's awesome at bash here? |
| [11:07:34] | justinh: | eh? |
| [11:08:01] | beatbreaker: | tail -n 100 /mythtv.log | grep *.mpg >> touch.sh |
| [11:08:08] | justinh: | I think a suitable pennance for deleting all those files yourself should be to manually touch every last one of them! |
| [11:08:11] | toeb: | justinh: i think this depends on the changes to db schema... |
| [11:08:12] | justinh: | :D |
| [11:08:39] | justinh: | toeb: no it doesn't. you back up the WHOLE DB before upgrading to a newer version, so you'd restore the WHOLE DB to 'downgrade' |
| [11:08:48] | beatbreaker: | but i need to grep 19 characters to the left of .mpg |
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| [11:39:42] | toeb: | justinh: I know, nobody likes people to mess with their database.... but i don't have a backup that old... |
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| [11:49:43] | Hoody47: | Hi, am struggling to use Myth Archive to copy a recording to DVD. I have a seperate frontend and backend, I see from the Myth Archive wiki that SG's are not supported for archive on the frontend |
| [11:50:30] | Hoody47: | However I can see videos that are in a SG on the frontend using mytharchive but not recordings from TV. |
| [11:51:39] | Hoody47: | I have tried to create a NFS share and mount it on the frontend and then set a video directory in setup. When I do that I can see all the livetv recordings but the have messy internal names |
| [11:52:45] | Hoody47: | My question is (1) how can I get meaningful names or determine the name for the recording I want to archive? (2) Why can I see videos in the storage groups in myth archive but not recordings? |
| [11:52:50] | Hoody47: | Thanks |
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| [12:30:26] | justinh: | BANG! And the Joggler is gone. Be gone, useless tech! |
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| [12:32:10] | orange_: | Hello |
| [12:32:52] | orange_: | Are most people idle? I wonder if I'm here at the wrong end of the timezone spectrum. |
| [12:34:06] | justinh: | you'll have more chance of conversing with a human being here than in some other IRC channels I could name |
| [12:34:27] | orange_: | Haha cheers justinh. I'll give it a go... |
| [12:34:58] | orange_: | I've recently setup Mythbuntu 10.04 with a Leadtek DTV2000DS. I've got tv working, but struggling with the remote. |
| [12:35:14] | orange_: | Can people here help with that? |
| [12:35:54] | justinh: | lemme guess... the remote receiver produces characters when it receives keypresses on the remote? |
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| [12:37:55] | orange_: | Nope, no evidence of signal at all. |
| [12:38:16] | orange_: | I checked in Windows with the supplied software, and the remote does work. |
| [12:38:34] | justinh: | well, you can check on windows all you want. it won't do you any good for loonix :) |
| [12:38:36] | orange_: | I've tried evtest, mode2, irw – happy to describe failures, but basically no signal at all. |
| [12:38:59] | orange_: | Am I missing a kernel module? |
| [12:39:59] | justinh: | wouldn't have thought so |
| [12:40:05] | justinh: | is lircd running? |
| [12:41:26] | justinh: | eew http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek . . . p_the_remote |
| [12:42:04] | justinh: | not entirely satisfied the remote is even supported |
| [12:42:43] | orange_: | Thanks for link, I'll check it out. Yep lircd running |
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| [13:08:56] | Belboz99: | Hey all |
| [13:09:37] | justinh: | !seen all |
| [13:09:37] | MythLogBot: | all has not been seen here |
| [13:09:48] | Belboz99: | anyone ever have issues with an ATI card (X1300) using a Radeon driver (Edgy, Gallium 3D) giving inverted colors on video playback? |
| [13:10:14] | justinh: | taking a guess that you have :-) |
| [13:10:19] | Belboz99: | colors are normal in VLC, and in the GUI |
| [13:10:23] | Belboz99: | yeah! |
| [13:10:55] | justinh: | sounds like normal operation for ATI stuff, depending on card version & driver versions :-P |
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| [13:11:29] | justinh: | I suspect it's not actually inverted video as such.. more like reds becoming greens etc |
| [13:11:38] | Belboz99: | right |
| [13:11:43] | Belboz99: | the colors are swapped |
| [13:12:00] | justinh: | is x1300 quite old? |
| [13:12:33] | Belboz99: | a few years, it's the generation after 9xxx |
| [13:12:41] | Belboz99: | IE, 9800 Pro and all |
| [13:13:01] | Belboz99: | I have an even newer card, a 3650, but the drivers are even more unstable in Radeon land |
| [13:13:02] | justinh: | I'd prolly try using the propriatary drivers |
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| [13:13:21] | Belboz99: | proprietary drivers don't support the card in the current iterations |
| [13:13:26] | justinh: | but AMD have a nasty habit of dropping support for older cards |
| [13:13:33] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:13:44] | Belboz99: | and the legacy drivers aren't supported by the current version of Xorg in my version of Ubuntu |
| [13:13:59] | Belboz99: | yeah, even the 3650 is dropped |
| [13:14:01] | justinh: | gotta love em for this kind of thing |
| [13:14:05] | justinh: | NOT |
| [13:14:35] | justinh: | heard people say they're good when they actually support stuff.. the one thing you can't bank on is the stuff being supported for as long as you'd like |
| [13:14:46] | Belboz99: | which makes support worse, because it's newer, only about 3–5 years old, so the linux community hasn't reverse-engineered it fully, but there's no official support |
| [13:15:05] | Belboz99: | right |
| [13:15:05] | justinh: | didn't think they had to reverse engineer anything now |
| [13:15:24] | Belboz99: | yeah, they're supposed to be releasing the documentation |
| [13:15:34] | Belboz99: | I'm not exactly sure how that's going though |
| [13:15:44] | Belboz99: | all I know is that the 3650 lacks 2D accel |
| [13:15:48] | Belboz99: | which is a PITA |
| [13:16:38] | Belboz99: | I might just throw it in though now that I've upgraded to the Gallium version of the Radeon Driver, see if that allows it to work better |
| [13:16:47] | Belboz99: | ie, with 2D acceleration |
| [13:17:09] | justinh: | think I'll stick with nvidia in future :-) |
| [13:17:30] | justinh: | they may not do open source drivers which actually work for video playback.. but a working driver is a working drivr |
| [13:18:47] | orange_: | I haven't had any luck with my DTV2000DS remote, even with that link justinh – I'm not sure it's the same card. |
| [13:19:03] | justinh: | bout time lirc got their own channel |
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| [13:19:53] | orange_: | Ah that's right, I read somewhere that it's not entirely a mythtv project – sort of a cousin I guess. |
| [13:20:08] | justinh: | entirely? not at *all* even |
| [13:20:43] | orange_: | Someone's opinion I suppose (: I'm afraid I'm too new to really form opinions of my own yet. |
| [13:21:38] | justinh: | the only way mythtv is in any way related to lirc is that mythtv can *use* lirc |
| [13:22:25] | justinh: | though the 2 projects are not entirely unconnected – they share contributors sometimes.. but otherwise there's no real link between them |
| [13:22:26] | orange_: | I see. And as such, drivers for devices which mythtv can use (tuners) are quite separate to drivers which lirc can use (remotes) – right? |
| [13:22:36] | justinh: | generally, yeah |
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| [13:23:20] | orange_: | Tricky. Should I direct my questions elsewhere? |
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| [13:27:31] | justinh: | lirc is just about on topic enough for this channel |
| [13:27:46] | justinh: | but the chances of bumping into somebody with the same setup is slim |
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| [13:27:58] | justinh: | s/is/are |
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| [13:33:43] | orange_: | Yeah fair enough. Perhaps your apparently strong general knowledge could still be a little more help though... |
| [13:34:22] | orange_: | I don't know which kernel module I should be using |
| [13:34:33] | justinh: | how have you actually configured lirc then? |
| [13:35:10] | justinh: | I had a look & couldn't find any information about which lirc module to use for that setup |
| [13:35:23] | orange_: | started with /proc/bus/input/devices – "H: Handlers=kbd event5" |
| [13:36:32] | orange_: | Is it worth going lower than lirc and trying to work out why evtest etc are showing no signal? |
| [13:36:49] | justinh: | no idea |
| [13:37:46] | justinh: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1102033 might shed some light for you |
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| [13:39:56] | orange_: | Okay will try that too, although I recall reading about significant differences between the various DTV2000{x} devices. |
| [13:40:52] | orange_: | but it is helpful general info probably answering some of the questions I'd ask |
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| [14:06:19] | Belboz99: | downgrading the edgers radeon driver back to stock isn't near as much fun as it sounds :P |
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| [14:18:46] | orange_: | Bed time, more effort to be applied tomorrow. Thank you for your help justinh. |
| [14:21:56] | Pluribus: | Hello all, MythVideo question (related to parental controls) after a metadata download for a specific video, if there is not a rating, the video is rated "NR" for not rated. However, If I specify NR in the screen to automatically put videos in specific access levels based on rating, NR doesnt seem to do anything and all NR wind up at level 1. Is this expected behavior or should I file |
| [14:21:56] | Pluribus: | a bug? |
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| [14:25:44] | iamlindoro: | NR is the global default, it is explicitly ignored |
| [14:26:12] | iamlindoro: | And automatic parental rating *only* gets applied when ratings come back from the metadata grabber-- no grabber returns NR |
| [14:26:30] | iamlindoro: | NR is what it was before the metadata grab began, ie, it's the default value |
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| [14:40:18] | Pluribus: | Thanks.... Although it DOES kind of defeat the purpose of parental controls to have not rated videos default to everyone :-) |
| [14:40:39] | iamlindoro: | NR = No rating |
| [14:40:56] | iamlindoro: | parental control control arted videos, not NR in the American ratings sense of the word |
| [14:41:01] | iamlindoro: | er rated videos |
| [14:43:37] | Pluribus: | Ok, then, is there any way to automaticaly supress the presentation of NR videos (or shuffle them someplace else?) Think of it as a "strict" parental controls? Yes, I know such a thing would have to wait for 0.25 now that we are feature frozen |
| [14:43:56] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [14:44:22] | iamlindoro: | But you can and should go update the rating information at TMDB for those that lack them, then everyone wins |
| [14:44:23] | Pluribus: | Is there any interest in it (other than myself?) if so, I try and figure out the parental controls.... |
| [14:45:02] | Pluribus: | iamlindoro, I am doing that... I have added rating info to about 300 videos in the last 3 weeks |
| [14:45:07] | iamlindoro: | Personally no interest in it, People should be compelled to improve the source data, not simply sidestep it when it's missing |
| [14:47:05] | Pluribus: | Although a method to sort out NR data from all the already rated data would be useful. (I am using a mysql query now, but would be nice to pull it in the FE so that I can refresh the data on one category rather than hunting for NR... /me shrugs |
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| [14:50:53] | Pluribus: | heck, I would settle for a way to search videos in the FE based on rating (not parental rating), that would make find the videos that need to be fixed much easier. (and YES, I prefer to improve the source data as well.) |
| [14:52:18] | Pluribus: | I will look at the code and see if I can figure out the whats and wheres .... (willing to submit patches if I can) |
| [14:54:17] | Pluribus: | The biggest annoyance is that filmratings.com doesnt list any US rating prior to the current "G/PG/PG-13/R/NC-17" system. Makes it interesting for anything pre-mid 1960s. |
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| [15:11:38] | Azelphur: | MythGame seems to sync it's config between all front ends, is there any way to make it not do that? |
| [15:11:50] | Azelphur: | I don't want to launch my emulator at 1920x1200 on my netbook ;) |
| [15:17:03] | Azelphur: | I suppose I could cheat and just make myth launch a shell script that was different on each system |
| [15:17:23] | justinh: | well, some plugins always had per-frontend settings.. others never have had. each can be as annoying as the other |
| [15:17:55] | justinh: | you can use mythfrontend -O TheSettingToOverride=$value |
| [15:18:46] | Azelphur: | that works too :) |
| [15:19:44] | justinh: | never so much as even played with mythgame |
| [15:20:13] | justinh: | think that's more down to a lack of legal ROMs for the games I'd actually want to play than anything else |
| [15:21:08] | Azelphur: | hehe |
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| [15:35:50] | Azelphur: | justinh: do you happen to know if MythGame does something weird in launching the emulators? if I launch it from MythGame the emulator hangs, if I use the exact same command line in a terminal it works fine, http://pastebin.com/UZ363WSJ |
| [15:36:25] | Azelphur: | on line 53 the emulator hangs, so I ctrl+c it. on line 106 you can see it getting further when I launch it from a normal terminal |
| [15:40:34] | iamlindoro: | MythGame doesn't do anything weird, sounds like your emulator is trying to use GL resources needed by the FE |
| [15:40:57] | iamlindoro: | So either don't use GL output in your Emu, or don't use the GL painter in Myth-- random guess |
| [15:41:34] | Azelphur: | iamlindoro: I thought of that, tried launching the emulator from terminal while mythtv was running, that worked fine too :) |
| [15:42:32] | iamlindoro: | That's not the same |
| [15:43:18] | Azelphur: | also my MythFrontend paint engine is QT |
| [15:43:49] | Azelphur: | Emulator appears to only have OpenGL support, so I can't not use OpenGL :( |
| [15:43:53] | iamlindoro: | anyway, all mythgame does is spawn a shell process and run the command you hand it, so the issue is either in your emu config, or your X config |
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| [15:47:02] | Azelphur: | well the emu/X config is obviously the same whether I launch it from myth or terminal |
| [15:47:08] | Azelphur: | since it's the same command line, in the same X session |
| [15:47:22] | Azelphur: | and MythTV is in windowed mode |
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| [16:24:26] | Varro: | when using a DVB-S card with only 1 input connection, are you able to record one program, and record another, or do you need 2 recievers? |
| [16:24:31] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [16:24:57] | Varro: | i mean record one, watch another |
| [16:25:11] | Beirdo: | I wake up... to a bug |
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| [16:28:10] | xand: | Varro: you can with multirec |
| [16:28:20] | xand: | iff they're on the same mux |
| [16:28:34] | xand: | Varro: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/record_multiple_ch . . . ne_multiplex |
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| [16:30:04] | Varro: | that means its on the same frequency right? |
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| [16:36:15] | jarle: | I have some channels with identical callsign/name and mplexid/serviceid, but different channum/chanid, however EPG is not displayed on all the channels, shouldn't on-air-epg be distributet among all the identical channels? |
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| [16:53:26] | Beirdo: | OK, coffee |
| [16:53:35] | Beirdo: | then Windows compiling fun |
| [16:58:21] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, Thanks for fixing |
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| [17:08:15] | Beirdo: | no problem. today's task... get my Windows VM compiling :) |
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| [17:19:19] | Beirdo: | Hello from Vista. |
| [17:20:05] | sphery: | how's the view from vista? |
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| [17:20:13] | Beirdo: | slow :) |
| [17:20:26] | sphery: | heh |
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| [17:23:50] | Beirdo: | OK, so... time to read the windows install script |
| [17:25:52] | ** iamlindoro passes Beirdo a tissue for his soon to be bleeding eyes ** | |
| [17:27:58] | Beirdo: | so I guess first step... find perl |
| [17:28:03] | Beirdo: | ActivePerl work? |
| [17:28:31] | Beirdo: | or just install msys, and work rom there? |
| [17:28:35] | Beirdo: | from rather |
| [17:29:25] | iamlindoro: | just install activeperl, and run the script |
| [17:29:30] | iamlindoro: | should handle msys et al for you |
| [17:29:43] | Beirdo: | Cool. |
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| [17:35:23] | Beirdo: | God, Vista is annoying |
| [17:36:17] | Beirdo: | "do you want to give this program access?" |
| [17:36:26] | Beirdo: | !trout Vista |
| [17:36:26] | ** MythLogBot slaps Vista with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [17:38:44] | Beirdo: | let's see... I ran an installer... maybe I want it to INSTALL? :) |
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| [17:40:31] | Varro: | turn off UAC and be gone with the problem? |
| [17:42:49] | Beirdo: | at least putty works :) |
| [17:46:36] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I guess I need TortoiseSVN or the like too |
| [17:46:51] | iamlindoro: | Not for myth |
| [17:46:55] | iamlindoro: | the script handles everything |
| [17:47:21] | iamlindoro: | Activeperl, script, follow prompts should be all that is needed |
| [17:47:23] | Beirdo: | Oh... just need to get the script onto the machine :) |
| [17:47:28] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [17:47:39] | Beirdo: | pscp should do that |
| [17:52:05] | Beirdo: | OK, here goes fun |
| [17:54:08] | Beirdo: | too bad there's no sense of progress on the fetches :) |
| [17:55:58] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, you may want to change the revision from whatever the "last known good" is at the top to HEAD, FWIW |
| [17:56:04] | iamlindoro: | taht way you are actually compiling current trunk |
| [17:56:15] | iamlindoro: | just a matter of uncommenting one line and commenting the other |
| [17:56:27] | Beirdo: | ack |
| [17:56:29] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [17:56:40] | Beirdo: | I'll let it install world, then go rerun it |
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| [18:03:19] | sphery: | [26134] makes me wonder who has those impossibly-broken channels... I.e. there's no way you could get a channel without a channel ID if you use the right tools for channel scanning. And if any semi-supported unofficial tools do it wrong (like scte65scan), /they/ need fixing. |
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| [18:06:39] | kormoc: | sphery, they recorded something from a channel and then deleted it from the database, so it was no longer in the channel table but still had references to it |
| [18:07:41] | sphery: | oh, so for non-existent channels, it makes sense |
| [18:07:57] | sphery: | I thought it was fixing data that was returned from the DB for which there was no ID |
| [18:08:04] | kormoc: | nah |
| [18:08:06] | ** sphery should trust kormoc ** | |
| [18:08:18] | sphery: | (though, really, it was the user's DB I wasn't trusting) |
| [18:09:41] | iamlindoro: | this week can/should be fun, all the premieres will start trickling onto the schedule |
| [18:11:02] | sphery: | yeah, I see CW starting premieres |
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| [18:11:16] | sphery: | btw, I'm loving this --dd-grab-all |
| [18:11:16] | iamlindoro: | "Nikita" has fanart that has me sold ;) |
| [18:11:26] | sphery: | haven't checked fan art, yet |
| [18:11:34] | [R]: | sphery: not taking 45 minutes for you? :P |
| [18:11:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/164301-5.jpg |
| [18:11:42] | Beirdo: | Can not copy non-existant file (C:/Program Files/MySQL/MySQL Server 5.1/lib/opt/ |
| [18:11:45] | Beirdo: | libmysql.lib) |
| [18:11:49] | Beirdo: | script fail |
| [18:11:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/164301-4.jpg |
| [18:11:53] | sphery: | [R]: right value, wrong units... For me, it's 45 seconds |
| [18:12:06] | sphery: | (on my slow box, it's ~30 on the fast one) |
| [18:12:16] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, erm? Sounds like you didn't follow the prompts for which install to do |
| [18:12:25] | Beirdo: | I thought I did |
| [18:12:27] | iamlindoro: | the prompts from the script |
| [18:12:37] | Beirdo: | let me uninstall mysql and try again :) |
| [18:12:41] | iamlindoro: | ie Complete, and do not set up the server after |
| [18:13:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, I've been very surprised Maggie Q never starred in any shows... Good to see she has her own show, now |
| [18:14:24] | [R]: | sphery: i saw there is an optimization in 0.24 for credits/people... i might try to backport that to 23 and see if that helps with mine time |
| [18:14:53] | sphery: | [R]: which optimization |
| [18:14:58] | sphery: | don't backport /any/ schema changes |
| [18:15:08] | [R]: | no, it was a sql statement optimization |
| [18:15:08] | sphery: | if it's a code change, then a backport may be workable |
| [18:15:26] | sphery: | one of the ones kormoc and Beirdo were testing in here? |
| [18:15:34] | [R]: | lemme find it |
| [18:15:38] | sphery: | or are you saying one that went into trunk? |
| [18:15:42] | [R]: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25527 |
| [18:15:47] | [R]: | one in trunk |
| [18:16:09] | sphery: | that could help som |
| [18:16:28] | sphery: | I think the change kormoc and Beirdo were testing in here (yesterday or Saturday?) would be more useful, though |
| [18:16:41] | [R]: | well 24 is gonna be done soon |
| [18:16:45] | sphery: | btw, I'm on 0.23-fixes on my system :) |
| [18:16:50] | sphery: | yeah, true |
| [18:17:08] | sphery: | kormoc: are you planning to get the ClearDataBySource() changes in before 0.24 or after? |
| [18:17:11] | [R]: | the tables aren't cleared until after the xml is downloaded right? |
| [18:17:18] | sphery: | [R]: right... |
| [18:17:27] | [R]: | good |
| [18:17:41] | sphery: | but if it takes 4min to clear the tables and 1.5min to populate them, that's basically 5.5min without data for that source |
| [18:17:54] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I must have fat-finger clicked it... it's working on reinstall |
| [18:18:05] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, cool |
| [18:18:32] | sphery: | some have said switching to InnoDB to get row-level-locking would make it less long because you could use the data while it's deleting/populating, but that data is bad data, so you're probably better off with none... |
| [18:18:36] | kormoc: | sphery, I want that skdblahbleh guy to test it out, he had the 45 minute one and if it improves his a lot, then we should toss it in for 0.24 imho |
| [18:18:43] | kormoc: | sphery, he'll be back tomorrow I heard |
| [18:18:43] | [R]: | so i'm trying to watch an inprogress recording on upnp |
| [18:18:46] | [R]: | and it's failing miserably :( |
| [18:19:12] | sphery: | and, I don't even know if you'd actually get access to it with InnoDB or if the query structure would prevent that... |
| [18:19:16] | Beirdo: | heh, so don't do that |
| [18:19:23] | sphery: | kormoc: cool... I'd love to see it in for 0.24 |
| [18:19:32] | Beirdo: | kormoc: as would I :) |
| [18:19:36] | sphery: | though even the current stuff in trunk makes it very nice for users |
| [18:20:02] | ** Beirdo waits for Qt download... ** | |
| [18:20:36] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm actually thinking some of the extremely long run times are from tables being locked |
| [18:20:50] | kormoc: | but that's just a theory |
| [18:20:54] | sphery: | kormoc: locked by other queries? |
| [18:20:56] | sphery: | I'd agree |
| [18:21:12] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:21:32] | Beirdo: | that'd be a sensible theory |
| [18:21:35] | sphery: | though on the list, people were talking about switching to InnoDB so you could use the partial data from source 1 when source 1 data is actively being deleted and repopulated |
| [18:22:03] | Beirdo: | with my mysql server saying I get 18 queries per second... It's pretty busy |
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| [18:23:02] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I wish virtualbox would let me present a widescreen monitor to the VM |
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| [18:23:32] | sphery: | I'm starting to think that some distros put cr** on their MySQL installs that goes walking around the DB doing stuff--based on things like danielk's 2-min CHECK TABLES...QUICK with MyISAM and Chutt's 10-min people-table-fix (which was <1min on my identical hardware) and other random performance issues |
| [18:23:35] | Beirdo: | using 1024x768 on a 1280x768 (I think) laptop |
| [18:23:59] | sphery: | the CHECK TABLES...QUICK was 4s on my slowest system with a /huge/ DB |
| [18:24:22] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:25:51] | sphery: | that's some good lightnight |
| [18:25:57] | sphery: | er, lightning |
| [18:27:30] | [R]: | huge db? |
| [18:27:33] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [18:28:59] | sphery: | /whois [R]\n ircname: Michael Scott |
| [18:29:51] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [18:30:29] | [R]: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8872 |
| [18:30:32] | [R]: | i think i'm seeing this one too |
| [18:31:53] | Beirdo: | I have no way of testing the two-client part |
| [18:32:10] | [R]: | i have one client, and my backend seems to semi-lockup sometimes |
| [18:32:17] | [R]: | like i can't get the status page |
| [18:32:20] | Beirdo: | nor can I think why it wouldn't work |
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| [18:32:27] | [R]: | and when i stopped playback, it starts responding |
| [18:32:30] | Beirdo: | well, we can debug it later |
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| [18:34:01] | Beirdo: | what version of mythtv are you running, BTW? |
| [18:34:34] | [R]: | 23 fixes |
| [18:34:42] | Beirdo: | K. good to know |
| [18:34:53] | Beirdo: | not sure if anything in trunk would fix/break that |
| [18:35:09] | Beirdo: | heh, and I'm not in debugging mode right now, so... |
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| [18:36:00] | [R]: | well im gonna be playing with upnp soon |
| [18:36:20] | [R]: | i'll probably test it against trunk eventually, and thne maybe test this situation |
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| [18:36:54] | Beirdo: | well, the next month (as much as possible) will be used for 0.24 debugging |
| [18:36:59] | sphery: | kormoc: we aren't? Did you notice the INSERTs in DataDirectProcessor::DataDirectProgramUpdate() ? |
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| [18:37:39] | kormoc: | tmoffset? |
| [18:37:49] | kormoc: | well then we're clearing incorrectly |
| [18:37:58] | kormoc: | as we reapply to clear the data |
| [18:38:00] | sphery: | kormoc: and, "DataDirect Time Offset: Offset (in minutes) to apply to the program guide data during import. This can be used when the listings for a particular channel are in a different time zone." |
| [18:38:11] | sphery: | yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the clear isn't done properly |
| [18:38:11] | kormoc: | if it's already applied we shouldn't be reapplying to clear the tables |
| [18:38:24] | Beirdo: | heh, probably not |
| [18:38:33] | kormoc: | Heh, whoops |
| [18:38:36] | sphery: | reapplying to clear where? |
| [18:38:45] | sphery: | or just using it to decide on the range to clear? |
| [18:39:01] | kormoc: | sphery, clearbychannel we apply the tmoffset to the date ranges to clear them |
| [18:39:05] | kormoc: | actually |
| [18:39:10] | kormoc: | bah, it makes sense |
| [18:39:10] | sphery: | weird |
| [18:39:14] | sphery: | oh, yeah |
| [18:39:18] | kormoc: | cause those date ranges are from the grabber |
| [18:39:18] | sphery: | so just figuring the range |
| [18:39:19] | kormoc: | not us |
| [18:39:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:39:27] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:39:42] | kormoc: | it just kill the index on the mass deletes |
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| [18:40:03] | kormoc: | so my mark-3 patch does two queries, one for all the ones without offsets, and one for the ones that have offsets |
| [18:40:09] | sdog: | if my remote (iMon) works even with lircd not running then what is using ? |
| [18:40:12] | kormoc: | thus being optimized for the majoirty of folks |
| [18:40:18] | sphery: | saw you ask this in channel yesterday, but I had a boardgame party to get to, so I figured I'd mention it to you later, but forgot. |
| [18:40:27] | kormoc: | no worries |
| [18:40:33] | kormoc: | balancing too much at once |
| [18:40:45] | sphery: | yeah, I appreciate your looking into it... |
| [18:40:50] | sphery: | these optimizations will be nice |
| [18:40:57] | justinh: | sdog: probably an input device type |
| [18:41:07] | sphery: | and, yeah, the vast majority of DD users should /never/ be using tmoffset |
| [18:41:38] | sphery: | really only TZ border folks will use it |
| [18:41:40] | sdog: | justinh: and how do I configure / disable that so I can change the mappings ? |
| [18:42:08] | sphery: | sdog: your distro would know best |
| [18:42:13] | sphery: | i.e. #mythbuntu ? |
| [18:42:32] | sdog: | sphery: fedora box ... |
| [18:42:35] | [R]: | sdog: just change the bindings in myth |
| [18:42:47] | sphery: | basically some distros configure LIRC to use /dev/input and others don't |
| [18:42:57] | sphery: | I think Fedora is the "use /dev/input" approach |
| [18:43:22] | sphery: | but you'll want to figure out what your distro wants you to do... |
| [18:43:26] | sdog: | sphery: so what's lirc still for then ? doesn't matter if I stop or start it ;) |
| [18:43:38] | justinh: | lirc is for less enlightened devices :) |
| [18:44:04] | Beirdo: | lirc is for annoying us :) |
| [18:44:22] | Beirdo: | it's gotta be the one biggest pain in the butt |
| [18:44:35] | sdog: | eheh .. ok next Q: |
| [18:44:56] | justinh: | can be, but if you can get it to compile & run it's not so bad IMHO |
| [18:44:57] | sdog: | if I play a recording using mplayer the quality looks better than when using mythtfontend .. where can I change that ? |
| [18:45:12] | [R]: | sdog: playback profiles |
| [18:45:14] | kormoc: | sdog, define quality |
| [18:45:28] | sdog: | kormoc: looks like pixels are bigger ... |
| [18:45:34] | sdog: | [R]: and where are those hiding ? |
| [18:45:46] | sphery: | sdog: LIRC provides 2 mappings--one between a remote code and an "interpretation" of that code (i.e. button names in /etc/lircd.conf) and the other provides a mapping between button names and application actions (i.e. config = mappings in $HOME/.lircrc). If you use the /dev/input device for your remote, that takes care of only the /etc/lircd.conf stuff, but you can still use $HOME/.lircrc to map those buttons to actions so that ... |
| [18:45:47] | justinh: | settings live in the settings setup pages |
| [18:45:52] | sphery: | ... you don't have to change key bindings in every single application you use |
| [18:45:55] | [R]: | sdog: sounds like someone didnt read the documentation |
| [18:46:16] | kormoc: | sdog, and mplayer is playing in full screen with scaling? |
| [18:46:19] | sdog: | [R]: sounds like someone who had a perfectly working setup and is confused with the new versions ... |
| [18:46:22] | sphery: | so, IMHO, LIRC is for less enlightened users :) |
| [18:46:28] | sdog: | kormoc: yep ... |
| [18:46:30] | sphery: | er, more enlightened |
| [18:46:42] | sphery: | non-LIRC is for less-enlightened users |
| [18:46:51] | [R]: | i use inputlirc |
| [18:46:54] | [R]: | am i less enlightended? |
| [18:47:13] | sphery: | I'm saying that those who don't use LIRC are less enlightened because they remap keys in all their apps |
| [18:47:15] | [R]: | inputlircd* |
| [18:47:32] | sphery: | and they have to stick with a single meaning for C in all apps (whether sent by a remote or a keyboard) |
| [18:48:03] | sphery: | meaning changing the key bindings so the remote works affects your keyboard usage |
| [18:48:16] | [R]: | all this IR talk |
| [18:48:18] | sphery: | using LIRC--with or without input device support--allows abstracting mappings |
| [18:48:23] | [R]: | makes me want to code up my microcontroller :( |
| [18:48:31] | sphery: | so using LIRC is the enlightened way of using IR |
| [18:48:58] | ** sphery will always use LIRC or something like it with an IR remote ** | |
| [18:49:28] | sphery: | kormoc: you plan to send a nvm to the list so gigem doesn't go through a big long explanation? |
| [18:50:21] | sdog: | hm.. ok so the CPU++ thingies etc .. leme recheck that .. I ran into those .. |
| [18:51:38] | sphery: | sdog: all the CPU<whatever> Playback Profile groups are bad choices |
| [18:51:50] | sphery: | sdog: start with Slim |
| [18:53:39] | sdog: | the CPU thingie id default .. :) |
| [18:54:19] | sphery: | actually, Normal is default (though Slim should be default) |
| [18:54:50] | sphery: | a bug in the UI--that would require a lot of work to fix--results in CPU+ being chosen, in spite of the default |
| [18:55:02] | sphery: | but since we're completely replacing the setup UI, no one really cares to fix it |
| [18:55:15] | kormoc: | sphery, done |
| [18:55:21] | sphery: | kormoc: thx |
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| [18:56:16] | Beirdo: | gday, stuartm :) |
| [18:56:25] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, and I even got a mention--even though I just made you look again :) |
| [19:00:20] | Beirdo: | noon already.. wow |
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| [19:01:56] | sphery: | jmartens: Even though windows build stuff may sometimes be dev related, it can be nice to use #mythtv-users for a lot of the discussion. Many of us try to read everything in #mythtv , so the more that's discussed there, the harder it is to keep up. |
| [19:03:51] | jmartens: | Fine, I will kick off here :-) |
| [19:04:00] | sphery: | for the most part, though, #mythtv focuses on discussion of changes in progress to the MythTV code. I recommend hanging out in both channels, then after a while, you'll get a better idea of which discussions go where |
| [19:04:14] | jmartens: | +sphery: Will do |
| [19:04:27] | sphery: | and a lot of times, we may start something in #mythtv and then decide to go to #mythtv-users just because we realize it will be a long discussion |
| [19:04:54] | sphery: | Oh, and hanging out will also help you to see which people--regardless of how much we beg them--refuse to follow the rules in #mythtv. :) |
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| [19:05:51] | jmartens: | +sphery: No problem, just got the impression that discussion regarding development was done in #mythtv and configuration issues and the like discussed here. It seems that you need to hang out here as I did not get that from the wiki. |
| [19:07:17] | sphery: | well, that's pretty much true, but just for economy of discussion, we sometimes use #mythtv-users... Basically, if it's something that we don't feel every developer needs to read about, here is better. |
| [19:07:57] | [R]: | i saw a patch on the trac that appeared to be from svn diff, and included a "new file"... but for the life of me... i can't figure out how to make that happen |
| [19:08:05] | iamlindoro: | [R], svn add filename |
| [19:08:28] | [R]: | is that just gonna change the local copy? |
| [19:08:33] | sphery: | yep |
| [19:08:44] | sphery: | commits change the repo |
| [19:08:48] | [R]: | ah |
| [19:08:51] | sphery: | other stuff changes the working copy |
| [19:08:51] | jmartens: | OK, let's start then. Was told in #mythtv that mythnetvision compiles on win. I however seem to have issues getting the python bindings to be included in compile, using the following line: |
| [19:08:53] | jmartens: | ./configure --prefix=/d/mythtv/build/ --runprefix=.. --disable-iptv --disable-jo |
| [19:08:53] | jmartens: | ystick-menu --disable-xvmc-vld --disable-xvmc --disable-lirc --cpu=pentium4 --co |
| [19:08:53] | jmartens: | mpile-type=profile --python=/c/Python26/python.exe --with-bindings=perl,python - |
| [19:08:53] | jmartens: | -enable-logging |
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| [19:09:15] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [19:09:33] | sphery: | jmartens: is configure output warning about dependencies for Python bindings |
| [19:09:51] | sphery: | and if we find out that wagnerrp is around, he'll be the best person to help with the Python bindings :) |
| [19:09:53] | jmartens: | Nope, that is the strange part. I also cannot find any reference to erros in config.ep |
| [19:11:08] | sphery: | what's the configure line for mythplugins? (Oh, and in general, we try to limit pasting to 2 lines or so... 3 isn't bad. More than that will probably get you some feedback. :) Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ for longer things. |
| [19:11:39] | jmartens: | It only warns pkg-config can not be found before dumping the build configuration followed by the message yasm can not be found. |
| [19:13:37] | Beirdo: | so... whatever decade this build script finishes... :) |
| [19:14:59] | jmartens: | For those interested here is the full configure command and it's output: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/TgFLzcVU |
| [19:15:03] | Beirdo: | my next fun will be to make it so I can pull changes from my linux side... in a smart way |
| [19:15:12] | Beirdo: | but that will be later. :) |
| [19:15:29] | jmartens: | Beirdo: what linux side do you mean? |
| [19:16:06] | Beirdo: | my linux development platform... :) |
| [19:16:19] | Beirdo: | and I use git locally, making life even more fun |
| [19:17:10] | jmartens: | I have tried to mess with git, but had a hard time getting git to work locally, was also willing to wrap git into the buildscript eventually. |
| [19:17:44] | sphery: | jmartens: and you have MythTV Python bindings, pycurl, lxml, xml, urllib, urllib2, and oauth Python modules all installed and available in the Python executed with the command "python" |
| [19:18:36] | Beirdo: | I'll see what I come up with when the time comes |
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| [19:18:43] | ekristen: | .how does the seek table work? |
| [19:19:03] | sphery: | jmartens: as, otherwise, the only reason it should disable MNV is if you happen to configure with --disable-mythnetvision |
| [19:19:04] | Beirdo: | as I don't want to commit stuff I need to test... until it's tested :) |
| [19:19:40] | [R]: | ekristen: its a take... of seeks |
| [19:19:43] | [R]: | table* |
| [19:20:15] | jmartens: | Beirdo: I can imagine... after today's fixes. |
| [19:20:16] | ekristen: | the reason I ask is I am trying to figure out how the commercial skip features works, as I am trying to build it into the app for the media frontend I am writing |
| [19:20:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would have been WAY easier if I had this up and running by then |
| [19:20:58] | Beirdo: | but it's on its way now |
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| [19:22:01] | ekristen: | [R]: is the offset the bytes into the file? |
| [19:22:06] | [R]: | ekristen: i have no clue |
| [19:22:13] | [R]: | use the source luke |
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| [19:29:44] | jmartens: | +iamlindoro: Did you do anything special to make mythnetvision compile other than resolving lib deps? |
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| [19:31:18] | Beirdo: | oooh, compiling lame now |
| [19:31:44] | jmartens: | +Beirdo: woot... woot! ;-) |
| [19:32:15] | Beirdo: | after this compiles, I get the fun of doing the same with FreeBSD |
| [19:32:17] | Beirdo: | hhe |
| [19:33:18] | Beirdo: | oooh. ssh server in Windows might be a good plan for this |
| [19:33:26] | jmartens: | Perhaps we should invest in setting up some buildbot machines. Saves me/you/us from maintaining all the different platforms all for allselves. |
| [19:33:58] | jmartens: | See: http://buildbot.net/trac |
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| [19:37:21] | Beirdo: | it's already in the works.. on my list |
| [19:37:46] | Beirdo: | but still, I need a local compile option, buildbot only works on commits |
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| [19:38:03] | Beirdo: | but definitely faster feedback than waiting for complaints should you bust things |
| [19:39:01] | jmartens: | No, you can also force a build: http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/current/Try . . . y-Schedulers |
| [19:39:36] | Beirdo: | I know. but the source STILL comes from svn |
| [19:39:53] | bjd_: | that sounds a bit like hudson |
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| [19:40:14] | Beirdo: | yes, very similar in concept |
| [19:41:54] | jmartens: | Mmm, that means a lot of branching if that is the case... |
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| [19:42:29] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:42:41] | kormoc: | how would branching matter? |
| [19:45:43] | jmartens: | Meaning you can commit to a seperate branch not interfering with trunk and still run try-builds from SVN. After testing the branch can be merged with trunk. |
| [19:46:48] | kormoc: | I don't think we need to complicate our tree like that |
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| [19:46:53] | Beirdo: | that methodology maps well to git |
| [19:47:09] | Beirdo: | and is the preferred methodology for git, as a matter of fact |
| [19:47:35] | Beirdo: | but I think the buildbot will be pointed at trunk and -fixes |
| [19:47:42] | jmartens: | It maps to SVN as well, although you will have the issue with the atomic revision number over the whole repository, git does handle that different indeed. |
| [19:47:43] | Beirdo: | not randomly |
| [19:48:41] | jmartens: | I can imagine that it will be limited somehow, but if more people are willing to commit to running a buildbot perhaps more can be done. |
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| [19:50:02] | stuartm: | sounds like lots of additional work, even the linux build gets broken in trunk occasionally, that's something we've come to accept and that we warn users about, it's the releases which matter most |
| [19:50:30] | Beirdo: | stuartm: yeah, but building trunk automatically and tracking it is simple enough |
| [19:50:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I don't think that's the issue |
| [19:50:48] | Beirdo: | I'm not willing to start adding many random branches willy-nilly |
| [19:50:57] | stuartm: | Beirdo: exactly, just refering to the itermediary branch idea |
| [19:51:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:51:43] | Beirdo: | now, I can package it up (when I get there) to let you run your own master which you can then tweak to your heart's content |
| [19:52:04] | stuartm: | the day I have to start jumping through hoops to make a commit would probably be the day I walk away, mythtv consumes far too much of my time already |
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| [19:52:26] | Beirdo: | no no... that's not my goal :) |
| [19:52:37] | Beirdo: | my goal is so we know when crap broke |
| [19:52:45] | bjd_: | we have that at work |
| [19:52:55] | kormoc: | stuartm, I haven't seen your TPS reports this week, when will you have them ready? |
| [19:52:58] | bjd_: | hudson sends big shouty emails to the person who breaks things |
| [19:53:14] | bjd_: | and the dev team, so they can get shouty too |
| [19:53:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:53:33] | jmartens: | buildbot can do that on all kinds of media as well, e-mail, IRC etc. |
| [19:53:40] | Beirdo: | I know |
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| [19:53:47] | stuartm: | Beirdo: yeah, I know what you are doing, I'm just stomping hard on the notion that we have lots of branches and that everyone is responsible for keeping the windows/osx/bsd builds working |
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| [19:54:21] | kormoc: | jmartens, Beirdo is already committed to using buildbot, so you don't have to try to sell it |
| [19:54:22] | Beirdo: | stuartm: well, I intend to use that methodology on my setup, but I can understand if you don't want to |
| [19:54:29] | Beirdo: | ain't no forcing it here :) |
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| [19:54:53] | Beirdo: | as long as you are still willing to fix what ya broke, how you get there is up to you :) |
| [19:55:00] | jmartens: | +kormoc I am not selling, I can read too ;-) |
| [19:55:08] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [19:55:29] | Beirdo: | double-brewing with a Keurig brewer gives coffee that tastes like office swill |
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| [19:56:15] | jmartens: | LOL, thanks to CET it is time for a beer here... no coffee for me ;-) |
| [19:56:32] | Beirdo: | always time for coffee |
| [19:56:36] | Beirdo: | and for beer |
| [19:56:59] | stuartm: | I'm willing to fix linux and obvious windows/osx breakages, but since I don't have either of the latter operating systems and I've no particular interest in buying/running them, I can't take responsibility for fixing all issues caused by my commits |
| [19:57:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery, jmartens, ekristen: is assistance still needed? |
| [19:57:13] | Beirdo: | stuartm: understood :) |
| [19:57:14] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: I found what I was looking for for now ;) |
| [19:57:15] | jmartens: | Yes,please. |
| [19:57:19] | ekristen: | thats for the followup wagnerrp |
| [19:57:22] | ekristen: | thanks* |
| [19:58:09] | Beirdo: | but at least we could identify what breaks the build in platform X... so someone who can fix it can get to it |
| [19:58:11] | wagnerrp: | jmartens: youre asking about MNV on windows, which means you need the python bindings for the grabbers? |
| [19:58:40] | wagnerrp: | ive honestly never tested them under windows |
| [19:58:42] | Beirdo: | and it may be easy enough to fix (like my borkage this morning) without actual platform access if the logs are useful enough |
| [19:59:02] | wagnerrp: | and im sure there are going to be some issues, specifically with file paths, caused by their use |
| [19:59:09] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what will and what wont work off hand |
| [19:59:14] | jmartens: | I fail to get ./configure to make the bindings compile. |
| [19:59:31] | wagnerrp: | the only reason the bindings wont compile is due to lack of dependencies |
| [19:59:36] | jmartens: | It seems the tests somehow disable the bindings or my configure statement is wrong... |
| [19:59:40] | wagnerrp: | you need the MySQLdb and lxml libraries installed |
| [19:59:46] | jmartens: | I have them installed. |
| [19:59:56] | wagnerrp: | then configure should work |
| [20:00:04] | jmartens: | ./configure does not complain on them not being available. |
| [20:00:13] | Beirdo: | stuartm: trust me, trying to make things easier, not harder :) |
| [20:00:14] | wagnerrp: | then what is the fault? |
| [20:00:41] | stuartm: | Beirdo: I do trust you |
| [20:00:44] | stuartm: | I think ... |
| [20:00:49] | ** Beirdo watches libao compile... slowly ** | |
| [20:00:53] | jmartens: | It reports that the python buildings will not be compiled, even though configure does not give me a reason why |
| [20:00:55] | kormoc: | I don't! He's CANADIAN! |
| [20:01:07] | Beirdo: | !trout kormoc |
| [20:01:07] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [20:01:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:01:12] | kormoc: | Russia taught us that you can't trust folks who live in the artic! |
| [20:01:12] | wagnerrp: | is says that in that wording? |
| [20:01:22] | wagnerrp: | or are you just talking about the printout at the end of configure? |
| [20:01:32] | Beirdo: | I know some Finns that would frown at that |
| [20:01:35] | kormoc: | They have nuclear armed beavers |
| [20:01:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:01:47] | jmartens: | No it says this: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/TgFLzcVU |
| [20:02:22] | kormoc: | jmartens, so fix the missing pkg-config command? |
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| [20:02:39] | kormoc: | (and yasm likely would be a good one to fix as well) |
| [20:03:41] | wagnerrp: | jmartens: the way the dependency tests work probably dont like that path |
| [20:03:49] | jmartens: | +kormoc, is that really needed? I have been compiling all other stuff with that error present. pkg-config on windows/MinGW is not really supported AFAICT |
| [20:04:08] | jmartens: | wagnerrp, any suggestions on what it would like perhaps? |
| [20:04:30] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: ever setup sshd under msys or the like? |
| [20:04:37] | wagnerrp: | dont know, ive not used much independent python on windows |
| [20:04:48] | wagnerrp: | ive used various applications which embed their own instance of python |
| [20:04:51] | wagnerrp: | but never a shared one |
| [20:05:12] | jmartens: | wagnerrp: ok, will try some, perhaps the path might not be needed as python is in my path as well. |
| [20:06:16] | kormoc: | I wouldn't trust things compiled without it |
| [20:06:19] | kormoc: | but that's just me |
| [20:06:52] | wagnerrp: | heres the code in question which might be causing the problems http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/configure#L673 |
| [20:06:52] | stuartm: | what's the issue with mythmusic on windows? |
| [20:07:11] | jmartens: | stuartm: libcdaudio IIRC |
| [20:07:13] | wagnerrp: | it pipes a command into the python executable you have given |
| [20:07:24] | wagnerrp: | redirects, rather |
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| [20:08:12] | stuartm: | ok, we can allow the cd playback capability to be disabled until we find a better library |
| [20:08:53] | jmartens: | stuartm: sorry, libcdaudio does compile... it wass the cddb lib. |
| [20:11:01] | wagnerrp: | jmartens: if you cant figure anything out, ill take a look at it tonight |
| [20:11:16] | wagnerrp: | my windows system is currently in use |
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| [20:19:28] | jmartens: | I have manually run the test you suggested and it seems my VM has somehow reset to a previous state. lxml seems available, but MySQLdb was missing. Not sure why as it was installed when I tried yesterday. Just installed it (again) and running configure to see what it does. Manually running code form configure returns a errorcode of zero now... perhaps configure will work OK as well. |
| [20:20:34] | stuartm: | jmartens: you mean cdda? That's libcdparanoia |
| [20:23:30] | jmartens: | stuartm: It has been a while, I will have to find the set of patches I needed to get it to compile and see what was in there. Unfortunately I do not have the time now, perhaps tomorrow. Do you need it soon? |
| [20:25:44] | stuartm: | no hurry, I'm pretty busy atm |
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| [20:38:09] | Varro: | Copy text |
| [20:38:09] | Varro: | At the highest level, a target is what is presented to the initiator, and is made up of one or more extents.??? |
| [20:38:14] | Varro: | oh shit,wrong channel |
| [20:38:17] | Varro: | sorry |
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| [20:39:41] | Beirdo: | libexif time |
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| [20:40:25] | Beirdo: | eww, that's not White Collar.. that's Titanic! |
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| [20:40:55] | Beirdo: | I'll be deleting that |
| [20:41:16] | wagnerrp: | its a voyage you dont want to remember? |
| [20:41:23] | wagnerrp: | whats the syntax for opening a file in gvim over ssh? |
| [20:41:29] | Beirdo: | that movie was painful the first time |
| [20:41:41] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [20:41:45] | Beirdo: | ssh |
| [20:41:50] | Beirdo: | then vim? |
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| [20:41:58] | wagnerrp: | g-vim |
| [20:41:59] | wagnerrp: | g...vim |
| [20:42:02] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [20:42:08] | Beirdo: | windows? |
| [20:42:35] | Beirdo: | if it's X, just set the DISPLAY correctly and run gvim |
| [20:42:39] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [20:43:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: :e |
| [20:43:05] | sphery: | perhaps? |
| [20:43:16] | wagnerrp: | ah, its scp, not ssh |
| [20:43:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thats what i was doing |
| [20:43:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:43:28] | Beirdo: | scp?! |
| [20:43:31] | wagnerrp: | for some reason, keypresses werent working |
| [20:43:47] | wagnerrp: | 'gvim scp://<user>@<host>/path/to/file' |
| [20:44:03] | wagnerrp: | and when it saves, it uploads the new copy back to the server |
| [20:44:37] | Beirdo: | OK, I've never used that |
| [20:44:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:45:15] | Beirdo: | amazing the laziness developers like to promote :) |
| [20:45:23] | Beirdo: | that's cool though |
| [20:48:42] | wagnerrp: | what would i call a 'checksum' when its really just a random key, and not calculated from anything? |
| [20:49:24] | Beirdo: | ummm, invalid? |
| [20:49:45] | wagnerrp: | its just an identifier |
| [20:49:53] | wagnerrp: | a unique id |
| [20:49:54] | Beirdo: | or do you mean more like "arbitrary handle" |
| [20:50:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that kind of thing |
| [20:50:20] | wagnerrp: | just some arbitrary hex string |
| [20:50:32] | Beirdo: | k. handle might work... or opaque handle |
| [20:50:41] | Beirdo: | something like that, I guess |
| [20:50:57] | wagnerrp: | i just want to know what to call it, what to name the variable that stores the value |
| [20:50:59] | Beirdo: | or "wtf_id" |
| [20:51:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:51:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you doing the proto-hash-identifier patch? |
| [20:52:04] | Beirdo: | oooh, proto-has |
| [20:52:12] | Beirdo: | hash... nice |
| [20:52:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [20:52:16] | sphery: | sweet |
| [20:52:18] | Beirdo: | I like that one |
| [20:52:25] | sphery: | I'll support putting that one in post-freeze |
| [20:52:31] | wagnerrp: | just adding another value to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION |
| [20:52:39] | wagnerrp: | checks the version first, then checks the value |
| [20:52:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so if it's separate, call it a token |
| [20:52:58] | sphery: | proto version and proto token |
| [20:52:59] | wagnerrp: | if the latter doesnt match, it throws up an error, and drops with responding |
| [20:53:15] | sphery: | or, in lazy speak, "protoken" |
| [20:53:47] | Beirdo: | "proken" |
| [20:53:55] | sphery: | it doesn't tell the client the token value, though, does it? |
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| [20:54:07] | sphery: | i.e. clients /must/ be developed to speak the token |
| [20:54:07] | wagnerrp: | no, the response is the same |
| [20:54:08] | Beirdo: | but svn does :) |
| [20:54:22] | wagnerrp: | so clients can still support multiple versions, if they store the tokens internally |
| [20:54:38] | wagnerrp: | it could be bypassed, but only by making the client check some online database |
| [20:54:49] | sphery: | yeah, though X**C will be made to just read a mapping of version/token from a text file |
| [20:54:56] | sphery: | and they'll redistribute that... :( |
| [20:54:58] | spinull: | so i called my cable provider several times today, and each person i talked to told me that the firewire ports on my dvr are not active, is there anything i could do about that |
| [20:55:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if its a local file, they will still have to roll out updates for support |
| [20:55:11] | [R]: | spinull: threaten to call the FCC |
| [20:55:17] | [R]: | spinull: fcc requires them to enable the ports |
| [20:55:24] | [R]: | spinull: although even when they are enabled... you'll usually get crap out them |
| [20:55:28] | sphery: | I was just about to explain to Beirdo that at least they'd have to explicitly lie that they support it, then I realized they would just make it lie with a mapping file |
| [20:55:33] | wagnerrp: | presumably they will take the chance to check to see if the change breaks anything |
| [20:55:37] | spinull: | crap? |
| [20:55:45] | [R]: | spinull: what do you expect to do with the firewire port? |
| [20:55:59] | Beirdo: | yeah... suckage |
| [20:56:01] | wagnerrp: | but if they download that mapping file on each connection, well then theres nothing more we can do |
| [20:56:04] | spinull: | i was assuming i could use them somehow, analog signal maybe/ |
| [20:56:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think you're assuming too much motivation to do things right on their part |
| [20:56:12] | [R]: | spinull: what do you mean "use" it... use it for what |
| [20:56:27] | spinull: | with mythtv |
| [20:56:36] | [R]: | huh? |
| [20:56:43] | spinull: | as an input |
| [20:56:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so it's not a per-version token? |
| [20:56:47] | Beirdo: | can't wait to hear the whining from this :) |
| [20:56:47] | spinull: | for video |
| [20:56:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: presumably by explaining the measures they are going to in order to bypass the check, most of them will see the sense |
| [20:56:54] | [R]: | spinull: like i said... you're usually gonna get nothing and/or locals over firewire |
| [20:56:58] | [R]: | spinull: i.e. its useless |
| [20:57:05] | spinull: | i see |
| [20:57:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes, each new protocol update will get its own unique token |
| [20:57:08] | Beirdo: | sphery: a "perversion" token? :) |
| [20:57:23] | spinull: | well, thats where im at anyway so im not at a loss really |
| [20:58:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, so X**C just adds a tab-delimted file that gets read once that does a mapping from proto version to token... i.e. 63^Iab9820dc982af02354 or whatever |
| [20:58:31] | sphery: | then when we do a new proto version, they update the text file |
| [20:58:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes, they could do that |
| [20:58:45] | sphery: | and users get it with the next version of X**C |
| [20:58:47] | spinull: | so its basically impossible to receive digital channels unless your provider doesn't encrypt them |
| [20:58:56] | sphery: | spinull: HD-PVR |
| [20:59:29] | sphery: | spinull: (or, technically, you can use a PVR-150, but then you'd only get the SDTV version of the digital channels--whether they're SDTV or HDTV digital channels) |
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| [20:59:43] | sphery: | spinull: but basically you need a STB for the decryption |
| [20:59:55] | spinull: | and ir for channel changing? |
| [21:00:07] | spinull: | i have pchd5500's |
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| [21:00:16] | justinh: | eew |
| [21:00:21] | spinull: | and a pvrusb2 |
| [21:00:21] | sphery: | yeah, IR should always work... Sometimes firewire or USB or serial are options--but that all depends on your set-top box |
| [21:00:39] | justinh: | so you won't be capturing any HD from any STBs with those then :) |
| [21:00:44] | sphery: | spinull: yeah, pcHDTV HD-5500s will only do unencrypted digital channels |
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| [21:00:54] | spinull: | anyone want to buy them? |
| [21:00:58] | spinull: | ... |
| [21:01:04] | sphery: | spinull: if you want HDTV on encrypted channels, you'd need HD-PVRs |
| [21:01:25] | spinull: | a word that starts with f and ends in k is coming to mind right now |
| [21:01:32] | sphery: | spinull: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [21:01:49] | justinh: | HDPVR, HD STB.. no IR blaster needed since the HDPVR has one builtin IIRC |
| [21:01:50] | sphery: | thanks for not saying the word here, though, in this family-friendly channel :) |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | freak? |
| [21:02:02] | spinull: | fo sho |
| [21:02:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:02:20] | Beirdo: | anywasy :) |
| [21:02:31] | sphery: | maybe he's a BSG fan and there's an r and an a in between his 2 letters |
| [21:02:35] | justinh: | oh man, with my laptop on battery you can really see flash suck |
| [21:02:44] | Beirdo: | a primal scream is usually acceptable though |
| [21:03:09] | justinh: | hey, I get enough of them at home these days |
| [21:03:14] | spinull: | yeah, im not a happy camper atm |
| [21:03:24] | spinull: | two worthless cards |
| [21:03:29] | Beirdo: | hdpvr works great |
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| [21:03:37] | justinh: | not worthless, if all you want/need is OTA |
| [21:03:48] | sphery: | (where, funny enough, whether it's the actual word or some substitute, it really not the point--but the US FCC doesn't get that) |
| [21:04:04] | justinh: | or if your cable provider was one of the seemingly rare few who put out uncrippled QAM |
| [21:04:24] | sphery: | spinull: anyway, ebay can help ease the pain somewhat |
| [21:04:33] | justinh: | here in the UK it's less hassle to just wait for box sets etc |
| [21:04:34] | sphery: | if the vendor who sold you the cards won't |
| [21:04:40] | spinull: | i called the cable company and they couldn't tell me the frequency table or type of QAM they were using |
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| [21:04:51] | [R]: | spinull: its QAM256 |
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| [21:04:56] | [R]: | spinull: but check silicon dust's website |
| [21:05:04] | justinh: | you could check if you have a TV with a digital tuner already |
| [21:05:28] | spinull: | i do |
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| [21:05:43] | justinh: | so hook up the cable to it & see what mister teevee gits :) |
| [21:06:07] | justinh: | though that said, what it gets now it may not get tomorrow, the way things appear to be going |
| [21:06:15] | spinull: | i see |
| [21:06:29] | spinull: | i have suddenlink if anyone is familiar with that |
| [21:06:59] | justinh: | plenty of folks on the mailing lists have moaned about their clear QAM suddenly disappearing or being rearranged |
| [21:07:19] | Beirdo: | yeah imagine that |
| [21:07:45] | Beirdo: | the Gods of DRM just keep winning |
| [21:07:54] | justinh: | hey if I could get everything I wanted for the money I wanna pay through my cableco I so totally just would |
| [21:08:25] | justinh: | Beirdo: and the users just keep whining.. might be a different story if more voted with their wallet instead of just bending over |
| [21:08:28] | [R]: | cox's qam is pretty stable |
| [21:08:53] | Beirdo: | but bending over is the norm, yeah |
| [21:09:00] | justinh: | but then, I reckon whatever the odds, us mythtv users will still be in a very small minority |
| [21:09:23] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [21:09:48] | justinh: | I know people here who pay over the odds for satellite TV & complain about the service.. but do they tell Sky where to stick it? ;-) |
| [21:09:48] | sphery: | justinh: +1 for voting with wallet |
| [21:09:52] | xand: | are there any commercial STBs that come with mythtv? |
| [21:10:02] | justinh: | xand: in NZ maybe |
| [21:10:16] | sphery: | I cancelled cable and got one friend to do so. I just have to get a few 10's of millions of my other friends to do the same |
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| [21:10:37] | xand: | sphery: well aren't you Mr Popular :) |
| [21:10:40] | justinh: | sphery: I think they'd prolly even notice a couple of hundred thousand |
| [21:10:41] | Beirdo: | sphery: I like my USA Network shows too much |
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| [21:11:10] | sphery: | xand: actually, that's the problem--it seems that the vast majority of those 10's of millions of people don't consider me their friend |
| [21:11:30] | justinh: | scary to think though, if mythtv users DO number in their hundreds of thousands, and this is all the contributions we get.. (shudder) |
| [21:11:49] | sphery: | justinh: in any particular area, that might be enough... US-wide, probably more are needed. Even in the UK, I'd think it would take at least a million. |
| [21:11:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:12:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: but USA network shows can be bought on DVD. :) |
| [21:12:15] | justinh: | a million would be approx 7.5% of Sky's customer base |
| [21:12:22] | Beirdo: | bah, it's cheaper to pay for satellite |
| [21:12:26] | sphery: | really, it's only the people who watch sports and non-network reality that are stuck |
| [21:12:54] | Beirdo: | if it were was ONE show... maybe |
| [21:12:56] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, that sounds about like what I'd expect it to take, then |
| [21:12:59] | justinh: | oh wait that's wrong.. |
| [21:13:03] | xand: | justinh: you what. |
| [21:13:09] | Beirdo: | but at $50–60 per show... per season... |
| [21:13:10] | justinh: | Sky have less than 10 million subs |
| [21:13:19] | justinh: | xand: in new zealand |
| [21:13:29] | justinh: | call Steve @ PriorityElectronics ;-) |
| [21:13:35] | sphery: | so, then maybe 500K for Sky to notice (approaching 10%) |
| [21:14:21] | justinh: | realistically I think myth users in the UK are likely < 2000.. wouldn't mind seeing stats sometime |
| [21:14:50] | dustybin: | im one of them :D |
| [21:15:11] | xand: | not sure how you could produce such stats |
| [21:15:25] | ** dustybin facepalms ** | |
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| [21:15:30] | justinh: | xand: thing is, I wouldn't wanna put my house on the line for mythtv.. not without investing bumloads of cash into development & ploughing code back in |
| [21:15:42] | xand: | put your house on the line? |
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| [21:16:00] | justinh: | yeah you know.. raise capital, start a business selling mythtv boxen |
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| [21:16:18] | justinh: | because you won't get away with selling a box with mythtv on it |
| [21:16:28] | xand: | why not? |
| [21:16:32] | justinh: | you're kinda obliged to support it when it goes wrong |
| [21:16:37] | dustybin: | justinh: what would happen with the businesses customer support? |
| [21:16:51] | xand: | so optimistic :D |
| [21:16:55] | justinh: | that'll be where the real costs are |
| [21:16:59] | Beirdo: | anonymized stats aren't that impossible |
| [21:17:00] | justinh: | it's no joke |
| [21:17:25] | justinh: | when you consider the level of clue we encounter here & elsewhere, then factor in Joe Schmoe... oof |
| [21:17:27] | dustybin: | i would re-direct all the customers into this channel if they had problems :P |
| [21:17:59] | xand: | it would be setup for them though, a black box |
| [21:18:13] | Beirdo: | and we'd kick your butt five ways to Sunday for it |
| [21:18:15] | justinh: | and scanning.. and setting up the listings source... |
| [21:18:34] | justinh: | and putting media on it |
| [21:18:44] | dustybin: | mythtv wouldnt work as a business because its far too complicatd |
| [21:18:54] | justinh: | and taking into account the God stupid things people do... |
| [21:19:42] | justinh: | if I was to put a mythtv box in the market it'd have to be majorly stripped of features |
| [21:19:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: are we allowed to have libmythdb depend on libmythui (I never can remember which direction things go) |
| [21:20:21] | justinh: | there's *way* too much for ave. Joe to figure out, as we see demonstrated here daily.. and these are people who know what IRC is ;-) |
| [21:20:24] | Beirdo: | well if not, then mythsystem has to get the heck outta mythdb |
| [21:20:27] | Beirdo: | not sure |
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| [21:21:25] | justinh: | xand: I'm not saying mythtv isn't the best DVR software out there.. cos it is IMHO... I just wouldn't put my dad in front of a freshly installed box & have any expectation of him configuring it |
| [21:21:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:22:16] | xand: | most of the configuration would be done already |
| [21:22:58] | justinh: | for what? channels? listings sources? nah nah, can't do that since you haven't shaken hands with those nice people at TMS yet |
| [21:23:30] | dustybin: | can mytthv pickup ceefax |
| [21:23:37] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, [26141] broke compile for those of us using --enable-symbol-visibility, so I was fixing it ( http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-fi . . . _26141.patch ), but noticed that makes libmythdb depend on libmythui |
| [21:23:50] | xand: | justinh: who? |
| [21:24:01] | justinh: | xand: the people who provide listings data |
| [21:24:22] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [21:24:33] | kormoc: | xand, Schedules Direct only offers solutions direct to end users, not to companies selling to end users |
| [21:24:35] | justinh: | oh, and I'm pretty sure anybody letting their websites be scraped by mere users' scripts might become annoyed if they get wind of commercial enterprise doing it |
| [21:24:56] | kormoc: | xand, so you can't resell/manage Schedules Direct accounts or use one for many folks |
| [21:25:06] | justinh: | oh wait, that already happened didn't it? which is why people in the USA & Canada now rely on SD |
| [21:25:08] | [R]: | kormoc: what if i wanted ot throw a million dollars at them... then would they? |
| [21:25:10] | xand: | I was thinking in the UK |
| [21:25:27] | justinh: | xand: scanning still ain't foolproof enough yet |
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| [21:25:40] | justinh: | and uk_rt is strictly for personal use only |
| [21:25:50] | kormoc: | [R], Schedules Direct won't, we're just not offering to that business section. You'd have to talk to TMS directly |
| [21:25:58] | justinh: | infact I'll personally come along & whoop anybody's ass reselling uk_rt data |
| [21:26:09] | xand: | it would be personal use |
| [21:26:17] | justinh: | xand no it won't |
| [21:26:27] | xand: | the end user's machine would be downloading it |
| [21:26:41] | justinh: | you sell a box with it preconfigured & then you have to see a nice lawyer to fight that case for you |
| [21:26:44] | [R]: | kormoc: even if i want to give you one MILLION dollars? |
| [21:26:46] | xand: | and what about the OTA EPG stuff, or does that require some other license |
| [21:26:54] | justinh: | xand: EIT would be OK |
| [21:27:00] | kormoc: | [R], yes, it's not our core operation |
| [21:27:14] | [R]: | kormoc: but with a million... you could MAKE it part of your operation... |
| [21:27:17] | kormoc: | [R], as a non-profit, deals like that are complicated |
| [21:27:19] | xand: | that's what most of the other boxes use, they don't have an internet connection |
| [21:27:27] | justinh: | and speaking of licenses.. pay the nice people at MPEG etc too |
| [21:28:30] | justinh: | or patch myth to use (cough) Gstreamer lol |
| [21:28:30] | [R]: | kormoc: then you could be like mozilla... and have a for profit part |
| [21:28:42] | kormoc: | [R], which wouldn't be schedules direct :P |
| [21:28:59] | xand: | justinh: anyway they'd have all these costs with whatever software the box runs |
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| [21:29:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: untested, but this should do it... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/mythproto_vercheck.patch |
| [21:29:14] | justinh: | xand: all comes outta your profit |
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| [21:29:55] | xand: | anyway my original question wasn't actually a suggestion, just a pondering if it'd been done already :) |
| [21:30:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i would still have to do the perl/python/php stuff |
| [21:30:09] | justinh: | then EMC testing, CE compliance... |
| [21:30:36] | justinh: | if you wanna use the DVB logo, testing by the DVB consortium, maybe even the DTG too |
| [21:31:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... out of curiosity, how did you make the token? (made up?) |
| [21:31:22] | justinh: | there are a hell of a lot of good reasons Bub Boxbuilder isn't selling stuff he makes to the public. type approvals is one of them |
| [21:31:54] | wagnerrp: | rand() |
| [21:33:00] | justinh: | xand: anyhoo, nearest we ever got in the UK was mythtvbox.co.uk or something |
| [21:33:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: perfect approach |
| [21:33:25] | [R]: | what is recordedseek and why do i have a million records in it? |
| [21:33:55] | justinh: | xand: http://www.mythbox.co.uk/ |
| [21:33:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if you feel it's appropriate, feel free to put a "generate protocol token" script in contrib/development |
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| [21:34:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I love the patch, though |
| [21:35:28] | wagnerrp: | hex(int(random.random()*2**32))[2:].upper().rjust(8,'0') |
| [21:37:35] | sphery: | Beirdo: btw, that patch doesn't fix it... still looking |
| [21:38:10] | Beirdo: | greeeat |
| [21:38:14] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [21:38:27] | Beirdo: | make callbacks? |
| [21:38:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:38:28] | tank-man: | spacebar broken wagnerrp ? |
| [21:38:33] | tank-man: | :) |
| [21:38:37] | sphery: | er, would be better if I put the class attributes /after/ the class keyword :) |
| [21:38:49] | Beirdo: | oh, yeah |
| [21:38:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:38:54] | justinh: | xand: another thing that'd prolly do yer in is the UK distance selling regulations. somebody has something like 14 days to return something they buy online, for whatever reason they want. or no reason at all :D |
| [21:39:37] | xand: | so, that doesn't stop other people... |
| [21:39:43] | Beirdo: | unless it's food and they ate it presumably? |
| [21:39:47] | justinh: | so no, nobody seems to be & frankly I don't blame em for not wanting to get their fingers burned. Even if mythtv was perfect |
| [21:40:25] | justinh: | xand: you have any idea the kind of volumes of freeview gear gets returned? |
| [21:40:45] | xand: | no |
| [21:41:05] | justinh: | a *lot* |
| [21:41:37] | justinh: | about 10%, I read once on digitalspy |
| [21:46:12] | xand: | because they're rubbish or pebkac? |
| [21:47:04] | justinh: | take yer pick |
| [21:47:40] | justinh: | anyhoo.. baby bath & bedtime.. and bedtime for me soon too. woohoo |
| [21:47:42] | wagnerrp: | tank-man? |
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| [21:48:26] | tank-man: | nevermind, was reading your line of code above |
| [21:49:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: same file, now with patches for perl/py/php |
| [21:53:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: looks good to me |
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| [23:04:29] | sphery: | heh, I love (and so agree with) Daniel's comments about "our hopes" at http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /296769.html |
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| [23:34:00] | sphery: | jpabq|: thanks for taking (and checking in the patch from) #8491 |
| [23:34:15] | sphery: | and testing, etc. |
| [23:34:20] | sphery: | that was an important one to get in |
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| [23:38:00] | dddd: | has anyone had problems installing mythtv on debian lenny? |
| [23:39:10] | dddd: | getting a dpkg dependency error saying mythtv-database not configured yet... |
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| [23:42:56] | dddd: | http://pastebin.com/pL906514 |
| [23:43:16] | dddd: | can someone take a look at that paste and give me a hint or two? |
| [23:43:21] | dddd: | not sure what exactly is going on |
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| [23:45:02] | [R]: | looks like you have no datbaase setup |
| [23:45:07] | [R]: | notice it can't connect ot mysql |
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| [23:47:19] | dddd: | R: I was installing via apt...should I be doing something else? |
| [23:47:23] | jpabq: | sphery, NP. I meant to commit it a few weeks ago, but forgot... |
| [23:48:19] | [R]: | dddd: if you have a problem with your dist... yo ushould consult your dist... #mythtv doesn't make random dist packages |
| [23:49:28] | Beirdo: | OMG. myth compile finally starting on Windows |
| [23:49:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:54:14] | dddd: | R: I've been lurking around various debian threads, but no one seems to have encountered anything similar to my problem here. <sigh> |
| [23:54:18] | dddd: | getting frustrated |
| [23:54:33] | dddd: | everything worked fine on ubuntu until a botched upgrade completely hosed everything |
| [23:54:54] | dddd: | now the new livecds don't boot on my box |
| [23:55:15] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [23:55:37] | Beirdo: | ruin the CD or break the hardware? |
| [23:57:16] | dddd: | new ubuntu livecds give me an initramfs error saying it can't find a live filesystem |
| [23:57:32] | Beirdo: | did you check the CD? |
| [23:57:32] | dddd: | sucks. short on time these days to futz around with it, too. |
| [23:57:40] | dddd: | yeah, cd verified just fine |
| [23:58:14] | Beirdo: | not sure how anything you could have done to your running system could cause a livecd to not work |
| [23:58:35] | dddd: | no clue. I'm not too savvy with the *nix these days |
| [23:59:25] | dddd: | well, I'm going to give it a reboot and see if that doesn't help matters any. I'm sure I'll be back... |
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