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| [00:02:24] | spinull1: | don't see anything abnormal in the backend log |
| [00:02:27] | spinull1: | http://pastebin.com/hyu0yPan |
| [00:02:30] | spinull1: | thats it |
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| [00:05:05] | Pluribus: | Good evening all... Any reports on how stable trunk r26107 is? Getting ready to build it. |
| [00:05:52] | wagnerrp: | its trunk |
| [00:06:03] | wagnerrp: | if youre running it, you would be watching commit logs and open tickets |
| [00:06:48] | Pluribus: | LOL, I already DO open tickets. Commit log looked interesting which is why I was going to build it ... |
| [00:07:24] | [R]: | wagnerrp: getting the scheduler access to the upnp stuff is tricky :( |
| [00:07:36] | Pluribus: | I am hoping that the thread change fixes my forward past the end of a video locks the FE bug :-) |
| [00:08:22] | Pluribus: | Based on the lack of a OMG, that build is evil, I will try it :-) |
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| [00:15:55] | spinull1: | http://pastebin.com/WbbzMGPi |
| [00:16:00] | spinull1: | anyone see anything wrong there |
| [00:17:22] | spinull1: | my playback is still real choppy |
| [00:22:03] | spinull1: | any suggestions? |
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| [00:39:47] | spinull1: | sharkwire |
| [00:40:03] | spinull1: | wrong conversation |
| [00:40:39] | spinull1: | im gonna jailbreak this iphone i got today |
| [00:40:42] | spinull1: | later |
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| [00:59:23] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [00:59:32] | SpaceBass: | is there a way to default a user job to "on" for every recording? |
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| [01:02:28] | frogbite: | Hello all, trying to get a MBE to recognize a care in a SBE. I had everything working with Knoppmyth R5.5 with my MBE and SBE. Both have PVR-350 cards. A failed hard drive on the MBE so I decided to reinstall everything on both since both were upgraded for the past 3 years. |
| [01:02:51] | frogbite: | After reinstalling on both, the SBE PVR-350 is not seen by the MBE. |
| [01:03:24] | frogbite: | Everything else is working, that is I can see the shows recorded by the MBE and use its PVR-350 to watch live tv. |
| [01:04:09] | frogbite: | I reinstalled the SBE but still no joy. lspci shows the card and I am using it to display to my TV. |
| [01:04:17] | frogbite: | I don' |
| [01:04:30] | frogbite: | I don't see any mention of the card in the mythbackend.log |
| [01:05:11] | frogbite: | The mythbackend.log on the MBE does show the SBE registering with it though. |
| [01:05:20] | frogbite: | Just no mention of the card. |
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| [01:07:05] | frogbite: | The mythtv version is 0.20–0.3 |
| [01:07:37] | iamlindoro: | .20??? |
| [01:07:38] | [R]: | wow |
| [01:07:42] | [R]: | thats like older tahn me |
| [01:07:45] | frogbite: | lol |
| [01:07:51] | iamlindoro: | Wow, ask in this channel four years ago |
| [01:08:14] | frogbite: | It is the last version of Knoppmyth to support the PVR-350 |
| [01:08:30] | frogbite: | I am not against installing something newer. |
| [01:09:16] | frogbite: | If it will work with these cards. |
| [01:09:40] | [R]: | myth stoppped supporting the output of the 350 forever a go |
| [01:09:57] | frogbite: | yeah.... sigh |
| [01:10:06] | [R]: | i know i've read that X supports it directly |
| [01:10:35] | frogbite: | Tried that. Spent many hours trying to get it to work. Probably because I lack skill. |
| [01:10:55] | [R]: | you could just use real hardware... |
| [01:11:14] | frogbite: | Even downloaded the latest ivtv stuff. The kernel that comes with R6.03 LinHES has the ivtv stuff in the kernel but could not get it to work. |
| [01:11:28] | frogbite: | Yeah, which would mean probably buying two new machines. |
| [01:11:50] | [R]: | where did two computers come from? |
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| [01:12:14] | frogbite: | One is a Dell Optiplex that I aquired from work. The other is a home built from parts from Tiger Direct. |
| [01:12:21] | frogbite: | Both are 4+ years old. |
| [01:12:33] | [R]: | and neither has enough horsepower to play sd mpeg2? |
| [01:12:34] | [R]: | wow |
| [01:12:42] | frogbite: | Not sure. |
| [01:12:44] | frogbite: | They might. |
| [01:12:50] | frogbite: | What is the min requirements? |
| [01:12:56] | frogbite: | As far as processor. |
| [01:13:05] | [R]: | the crappiest crap from like a million years ago should handle it |
| [01:13:25] | frogbite: | Well I certainly would not mind getting new video cards. |
| [01:13:31] | frogbite: | That is reasonable. |
| [01:13:49] | frogbite: | Will PCI based cards handle this? |
| [01:14:11] | [R]: | handle crappy sd video? of course |
| [01:14:37] | frogbite: | Cool what would you recommend in a NVIDIA based card? |
| [01:14:46] | frogbite: | Needs to have TV input and svideo out for me. |
| [01:14:59] | [R]: | anything will work |
| [01:15:07] | [R]: | tv input? |
| [01:15:11] | [R]: | i never said stop using the 350 |
| [01:15:13] | [R]: | you can still use it to recrod |
| [01:15:29] | frogbite: | Not if the MBE is not seeing it from SBE. |
| [01:15:37] | frogbite: | I guess I could put both cards in the MBE |
| [01:15:45] | [R]: | well when you update to a version of myt hthat people actually care about |
| [01:15:50] | [R]: | i'm sure it'll work the way its supposed to... |
| [01:16:10] | frogbite: | You are so right, it is true. |
| [01:16:28] | frogbite: | The ain't broke don't fix does not work anymore for me. It is broke. |
| [01:17:22] | frogbite: | Ok, I will get some NVIDIA cards that have svideo out with mpeg2 capabilities. |
| [01:17:50] | [R]: | i'd avoid trying to use hardware acceleration for mpeg2 |
| [01:18:00] | frogbite: | Why is that? |
| [01:18:04] | [R]: | because xvmc sucks big time |
| [01:18:09] | [R]: | and most pci vdpau cards suck |
| [01:18:16] | frogbite: | Is it buggy? |
| [01:18:22] | [R]: | its crap |
| [01:18:25] | frogbite: | Or bad quality playback? |
| [01:18:34] | [R]: | i dunno, i've never used it, cuz its pointless |
| [01:18:57] | frogbite: | What are you using for example so I can spec something similar? |
| [01:19:15] | frogbite: | Or what is foolproof? |
| [01:19:21] | [R]: | huh? |
| [01:20:04] | frogbite: | Well, as a hardware noob in the video card world... if I were to get something I would want something similar to... |
| [01:20:12] | [R]: | any nvidia will work |
| [01:20:31] | frogbite: | Just stay away from hardware acceleration |
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| [01:20:47] | [R]: | theres nothing to "stay" away from |
| [01:20:49] | [R]: | just dont expect to usei t |
| [01:20:54] | frogbite: | Got it |
| [01:21:00] | frogbite: | Thanks!! |
| [01:21:54] | frogbite: | Is LinHES the way to go or should I get something more bleeding edge? |
| [01:21:59] | frogbite: | As far as the distro. |
| [01:22:10] | [R]: | i dont evne know what linhes is |
| [01:22:18] | [R]: | so obvioysly not |
| [01:22:22] | frogbite: | haha |
| [01:22:23] | [R]: | i know lots of people like mythbuntu |
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| [01:22:31] | frogbite: | nough said |
| [01:22:34] | frogbite: | Thanks |
| [01:22:46] | [R]: | other lots like mythdora |
| [01:22:50] | [R]: | other lots like debian |
| [01:23:33] | frogbite: | Well I use Unbuntu and Fedora on my desktops, so either may be fine for me. Knoppmyth with Debian based. |
| [01:24:23] | frogbite: | I mean Knoppmyth is Debian based. |
| [01:25:26] | iamlindoro: | Knoppmyth no longer exists |
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| [01:25:31] | iamlindoro: | LinHES is arch based |
| [01:25:48] | iamlindoro: | or, you could leave |
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| [01:26:33] | frogbite: | But LinHES and Knoppmyth although packaged extremely well for the novice seems to lag behind the community a bit. I had been using Knoppmyth for the past 5 years and until now it has been almost flawless. The upgrades and functionality was great. But I guess it now time to diverge. |
| [01:28:06] | frogbite: | Once again, thanks [R] |
| [01:31:58] | kormoc: | sphery, lzip is the 'best'/'correct' LZMA compression util currently? |
| [01:33:39] | [R]: | kormoc: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/03/31/0516216.shtml that lzip? |
| [01:34:04] | kormoc: | heh, nah |
| [01:34:13] | wagnerrp: | its some relatively new asymmetric compression scheme |
| [01:34:27] | wagnerrp: | very efficient compression, expensive to compress, cheap to decompress |
| [01:34:37] | wagnerrp: | so it makes it ideal for mass distribution |
| [01:34:53] | wagnerrp: | or other forms of write-once-read-many |
| [01:34:56] | kormoc: | or extremely io limited storage |
| [01:35:15] | kormoc: | as there's a extremely nice parallel encoder |
| [01:35:29] | kormoc: | would be nice to use all 8 cores to compress to dump out |
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| [01:47:46] | tgm4883: | where are the audio passthrough settings in 0.23.1? I can't find them in general setup |
| [01:47:51] | tgm4883: | didn't see them in tv playback either |
| [01:51:25] | wagnerrp: | same place they were before |
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| [01:51:31] | wagnerrp: | they just look a bit different |
| [01:51:49] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [01:52:41] | sphery: | kormoc: AIUI, xz was basically an experimental implementation of LZMA compression. It wasn't really designed for long-term usability and extensibility in the *nix world (as it's basically code from 7-zip, which was more of a Windows-style design). lzip was a complete ground-up redesign allowing for things like parallel compression (plzip). That said, according to wikipedia, lzip is "not yet notable" (but that's wikipedia for ... |
| [01:52:47] | sphery: | ... you--see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lzip ). Also, note that Google, too, believes lzip doesn't exist--it autocorrects searches that include lzip to use zip, instead ( http://www.google.com/search?q=lzip+vs+xz ) |
| [01:52:57] | sphery: | kormoc: there was a really good discussion of the differences on the web somewhere, I'll see if I can find it |
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| [01:53:36] | kormoc: | sphery, cool |
| [01:53:54] | kormoc: | thanks much |
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| [01:59:14] | sphery: | heh, related to "lzip, 7-zip, or xz... which to use"? http://lpar.ath0.com/2009/09/25/documentation . . . ode-quality/ ... <quote>To quote Ted Nelson quoting Roger Gregory, "An option means the programmer didn't have a clear idea of what the module was supposed to do." Or as Steve Krug puts it, "Don't make me think."</quote> |
| [01:59:37] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [02:00:53] | lubuser: | i looked on the mailing list for an answer to my question but I can't find it... can i ask here???? |
| [02:01:41] | [R]: | lubuser: no... the topic that says "official user-to-user support channel" is actually lying... no support here |
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| [02:06:20] | lubuser: | R: huh? what? |
| [02:06:40] | lubuser: | mythtv website states I can answer questions here... ??? |
| [02:06:40] | wagnerrp: | hes saying if you had read the topic, you would already know you were in the right place |
| [02:06:58] | lubuser: | oh! :) |
| [02:07:04] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv website also states that you shouldnt ask to ask, just ask your question |
| [02:07:18] | lubuser: | well, i am hoping mythtv users can recommmend a video card... i would like a current generation card if possible |
| [02:07:20] | lubuser: | ok |
| [02:07:30] | sphery: | kormoc: this (granted, from lzip list, so biased) provides some good arguments for lzip: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.compression.lzip.bugs/6 from thread http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.compression.lzip.bugs/5 , which is also good reading |
| [02:07:32] | lubuser: | is ati okay for a mythtv box? |
| [02:07:35] | wagnerrp: | what are your needs? |
| [02:07:54] | lubuser: | i read this and I'm still unsure: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . =ati;#447874 |
| [02:08:03] | wagnerrp: | outputs, resolutions, do you need hardware acceleration or do you have a sufficient processor to get by without |
| [02:08:31] | lubuser: | i don't know... i haven't used my cpu for it yet... i have a quad core q6600 cpu |
| [02:08:43] | frogbite: | lol |
| [02:08:54] | wagnerrp: | fast enough for anything but the highest bitrates of HDPVR output |
| [02:08:56] | lubuser: | i don't know if it can push hd ... what about blue ray? |
| [02:09:17] | lubuser: | oh |
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| [02:09:52] | sphery: | kormoc: basically, xz is huge and, IMHO, trying to do too many things--it's trying to be more than just compression. lzip is just compression (like gzip, bzip2, etc.), and relies on the availability of other *nix tools for other features (archiving, filtering, etc.) It's also being designed with the features of zutils in mind ( http://www.nongnu.org/zutils/zutils.html ), so when functionality is added that's useful to all ... |
| [02:09:58] | sphery: | ... compressors, it's added to zutils once and available to all compressors immediately (rather than replicating the code for each compressor). |
| [02:09:59] | lubuser: | but, what playback quality can i expect? |
| [02:10:10] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [02:10:20] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, and I am somewhat biased about it--mainly because its philosophies match mine, so you may want to find an xz fanboy, too :) |
| [02:10:36] | kormoc: | sphery, plzip is that really interests me :) |
| [02:10:39] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [02:10:52] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, plzip is beautiful... gives a huge speedup |
| [02:11:03] | kormoc: | sphery, doing database backups on ec2. Very low IO but lots of CPU, so it looks to be the winner by far |
| [02:11:21] | kormoc: | less io to store the 'second' copy == win |
| [02:11:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: lzip uses the *nix design philosophies versus trying to be one app that does it all |
| [02:11:36] | lubuser: | i'll use dvi output to watch on my 22" lcd monitor and 1680 x 1050 so I guess i am limited to 720p anyway, right? |
| [02:11:37] | wagnerrp: | no... what does lubuser mean by playback quality |
| [02:11:46] | sphery: | oh, sorry |
| [02:12:02] | ** sphery realizes the world /isn't/ revolving around him ** | |
| [02:12:13] | lubuser: | i mean playback quality... for various outputs, i read of lagging or tearing |
| [02:12:43] | wagnerrp: | lagging is something tvs do, not computers |
| [02:12:52] | wagnerrp: | and tearing can be fixed with frame sync |
| [02:13:07] | lubuser: | oh ok |
| [02:13:14] | wagnerrp: | nvidia is preferred |
| [02:13:31] | lubuser: | i'm on a laptop now.. so, it won't be used for this, btw... I've been out of the loop for a while |
| [02:13:50] | lubuser: | my previous mythtv box has been retired :) |
| [02:14:17] | lubuser: | that's what i thought... so, a new nvidia card would be good? |
| [02:14:30] | lubuser: | but, it has only a proprietary driver? that's ok for myth? |
| [02:14:59] | wagnerrp: | why wouldnt it be? |
| [02:15:05] | wagnerrp: | the ATI driver is proprietary too |
| [02:15:06] | lubuser: | my mythtv box had an ati card... i think it used the open source driver cuz the entire system was old |
| [02:15:12] | iamlindoro: | Proprietary drivers are *preferred* for myth |
| [02:15:17] | iamlindoro: | Open source drivers suck |
| [02:15:20] | lubuser: | oh |
| [02:15:42] | lubuser: | it could have been proprietary... don't remember... i think it was the default in the repo though |
| [02:16:15] | lubuser: | and nvidia proprietary is considered better than ati's proprietary, right? |
| [02:16:24] | wagnerrp: | on linux? vastly |
| [02:16:27] | lubuser: | i mean, i think more features and hardware acceleration works? |
| [02:16:41] | wagnerrp: | just all around far more stable |
| [02:17:06] | lubuser: | any of you guys use a nvidia card? |
| [02:17:13] | wagnerrp: | probably all of us |
| [02:17:21] | lubuser: | i thought the news ones are a bit pricey |
| [02:17:25] | lubuser: | which one do you use? |
| [02:17:32] | lubuser: | is the fermi cards overkill for myth? |
| [02:17:47] | wagnerrp: | 8200, 8400, 6200 |
| [02:18:37] | lubuser: | i see |
| [02:18:45] | kormoc: | 9400M |
| [02:19:03] | kormoc: | I'd go with a 9000 card if I was you |
| [02:19:03] | lubuser: | i had a dedicated mythtv box but now i have to use an all-purpose machine.. it'll be used for all |
| [02:19:27] | lubuser: | so 9800gt, right? |
| [02:19:59] | wagnerrp: | what would you need that kind of power for? |
| [02:20:52] | lubuser: | well, the 9000 cards are still expensive so i thought i can find used 9800 cards for same price |
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| [02:21:24] | wagnerrp: | define 'expensive' |
| [02:21:28] | lubuser: | 9800gt 512mb is good enough, right? i found a used one for $60 |
| [02:21:44] | [R]: | an 8400 is "good enough" |
| [02:22:09] | wagnerrp: | and available starting for a mere $25 new |
| [02:26:35] | lubuser: | 8400 here is $40 new |
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| [02:26:56] | wagnerrp: | does newegg not ship to canada? |
| [02:27:34] | Gumby: | I have an 8400 and it works for h264 quite well. a bit of lag when the OSD is fading out though. Not sure if thats because of the speed of the card though |
| [02:27:58] | kormoc: | newegg.ca |
| [02:27:59] | [R]: | Gumby: you need to turn off the osd fade |
| [02:28:03] | [R]: | Gumby: something clearly explained in the wiki |
| [02:28:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont think you think lag means what you think it means |
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| [02:28:48] | lubuser: | newegg does but no cards that old |
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| [02:29:06] | wagnerrp: | im looking at one right now |
| [02:29:14] | wagnerrp: | a sparkle 8400 fanless for $25 |
| [02:29:22] | Gumby: | [R]: yes, I know this. I just haven't yet. This vid card is just temporary |
| [02:29:33] | [R]: | how quaint... there is a canadian flag on newegg.ca website |
| [02:29:35] | kormoc: | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121360 |
| [02:29:49] | Gumby: | http://ncix.com/products/?sku=48523&vpn=E . . . facture=ASUS |
| [02:29:58] | lubuser: | oh, 8400gs |
| [02:30:05] | [R]: | is that in USD or CAD? |
| [02:30:10] | Gumby: | CAD |
| [02:30:11] | kormoc: | $33.49 with a $10 rebate CAD |
| [02:30:21] | [R]: | All prices shown in Canadian dollars unless otherwise specified. |
| [02:30:24] | [R]: | haha, i really should open my eyes |
| [02:30:42] | Gumby: | [R]: its clearly displayed on the neweg page :P |
| [02:30:59] | wagnerrp: | basically, all youre going to get with a 9800 is excessive power consumption, heat, and noise |
| [02:31:10] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that's what she said |
| [02:31:14] | kormoc: | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187108 <-- $26.99 CAD no rebait |
| [02:31:37] | Gumby: | nice |
| [02:31:39] | lubuser: | what's the most powerful card with low power consumption and temps? |
| [02:31:40] | Gumby: | 1/2 the memory |
| [02:31:44] | Gumby: | does that matter? |
| [02:31:49] | [R]: | lubuser: what do you mean "powerful" |
| [02:32:06] | kormoc: | memory matters for VDPAU + deinterlacers |
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| [02:32:25] | kormoc: | most folks seem to recommend 512 for 1080i + advanced 2x |
| [02:32:32] | [R]: | from the commit messages... it seems myth is still a little iffy for 256 |
| [02:32:48] | kormoc: | I'm a 256 user and *never* had any issues |
| [02:32:58] | [R]: | interesting |
| [02:33:38] | kormoc: | but then, I'm a 256 user with a mobile chipset that uses main memory as video ram |
| [02:33:43] | kormoc: | and thus might just expand as needed |
| [02:33:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you sure that thing isnt using turbocache? |
| [02:33:52] | [R]: | kormoc: that's defintely what she said... |
| [02:33:59] | wagnerrp: | 256+256, onboard plus system |
| [02:34:03] | kormoc: | [R], happily I might add |
| [02:34:06] | [R]: | kormoc: HAHA |
| [02:35:11] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, X says (--) Sep 02 22:06:48 NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes |
| [02:35:14] | kormoc: | so looks that way then |
| [02:35:27] | kormoc: | actually, I'm just wrong |
| [02:35:32] | kormoc: | free -m shows total: 3682 |
| [02:35:37] | kormoc: | that's 512 under what it should be |
| [02:36:28] | lubuser: | well, the desktop will be all-purpose.. .yeah, i'd like the video card to be 512mb of ram min. if i can |
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| [03:22:48] | tgm4883: | on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Troubleshooting it lists system configuration changes to prevent issues with vdpau and mythtv. Are these recommended settings that should be set on all VDPAU systems, or are these settings only to be used if you are having issues? |
| [03:23:29] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, The recommended VDPAU settings from the project are the VDPAU slim, normal, and high profiles |
| [03:23:44] | iamlindoro: | anything beyond that is "community provided" (ie, no promises, could be total nonsense) |
| [03:24:17] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, these settings listed aren't in mythtv, ie. things like disabling compositing |
| [03:24:28] | kormoc: | disabling composite matters |
| [03:24:38] | kormoc: | extra audio, we do automagically |
| [03:24:44] | kormoc: | real time priority is by default off |
| [03:24:54] | kormoc: | triple buffering I'd imagine would be worse |
| [03:25:07] | kormoc: | vdpaubuffesize= is self adjusting now |
| [03:25:25] | kormoc: | can't comment on AMD cpu scaling |
| [03:25:34] | tgm4883: | ok, so really out the set there, disabling compositing is the one we really need? |
| [03:25:41] | tgm4883: | or is it even worth the bother? |
| [03:25:54] | kormoc: | It's not really a issue if your WM isn't compositing |
| [03:26:23] | tgm4883: | I ask, as i'm trying to resolve my vsync issues |
| [03:26:28] | tgm4883: | so i suppose it's probably on |
| [03:26:42] | kormoc: | worth a try |
| [03:29:15] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, in case you don't hear it enough arclight rocks |
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| [03:40:01] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, Thanks-- sorry I wasn't around for the rest of the discussion, I stepped away. :) |
| [03:43:54] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, no worries, that seems to have cleared up my issue |
| [03:44:10] | tgm4883: | only issue I have left with my HDPVR is live tv is flaky |
| [03:44:15] | tgm4883: | good thing I don't watch live TV :) |
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| [04:11:43] | sphery: | wow, a user-interactive buckyball on Google |
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| [04:34:05] | ** wagnerrp is going to have delicious chili tomorrow ** | |
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| [05:10:05] | rileyp: | lirc does not respond to irexec commands until after I close mythtv |
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| [05:53:38] | wagnerrp: | you mean irexec does not respond to lirc commands? |
| [06:14:40] | oobe: | sphery, did you see when google celebrated pacman aniversery |
| [06:14:52] | oobe: | you could actually play pacman on the google home page |
| [06:15:19] | oobe: | actually here http://www.google.com/pacman/ |
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| [06:20:12] | rileyp: | echo "USB0" > /proc/acpi/wakeup |
| [06:20:31] | rileyp: | mce remote not waking from sleep |
| [06:29:35] | sphery: | oobe: yeah, that was cool--I didn't realize it was playable until a day after they removed it, though--but fortunately they archived it for a while |
| [06:29:55] | sphery: | oh, I guess a long while--since it's still there |
| [06:31:23] | sphery: | I can't figure out what all you can do with this one other than rotate it (or spin it) |
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| [06:54:35] | oobe: | yea thats all i think it does |
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| [06:56:01] | oobe: | i have to admit im not to knowledgeable on molecular structures so i didnt get the relevance |
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| [06:57:49] | Beirdo: | well that was fun |
| [06:58:20] | Beirdo: | Testament... not really my style |
| [06:58:28] | Beirdo: | Megadeth... great as always |
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| [06:58:36] | Beirdo: | Slayer... fell asleep :) |
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| [07:00:05] | oobe: | I used to love metal when i was younger |
| [07:00:15] | oobe: | I dont so much anymore |
| [07:00:34] | oobe: | I saw slayer play in the 90s |
| [07:00:36] | Beirdo: | I still do, some of it |
| [07:00:50] | Beirdo: | they were pretty good... I think |
| [07:01:04] | Beirdo: | but I fell asleep... at 100dB or so :) |
| [07:01:09] | oobe: | lol |
| [07:01:11] | Beirdo: | ear plugs FTW |
| [07:01:31] | oobe: | why not just turn it off |
| [07:01:53] | oobe: | or were you actually at the concert and brought ear plugs and a pillow |
| [07:01:53] | wagnerrp: | i think the security wouldnt like that too much |
| [07:02:29] | ** wagnerrp goes back downstairs to stir the chili ** | |
| [07:04:44] | Beirdo: | at the concert |
| [07:04:48] | Beirdo: | zzzzz |
| [07:05:14] | oobe: | lol |
| [07:05:25] | Beirdo: | I took the ear plugs OUT for the end of the Megadeth set |
| [07:05:41] | Beirdo: | just about 1 bar into "Trust" |
| [07:05:45] | Beirdo: | out they come. |
| [07:06:08] | Beirdo: | and feeling the bass drum makes that song even better |
| [07:09:14] | wagnerrp: | one 'bar'? |
| [07:09:24] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:09:25] | wagnerrp: | the guitar doesnt even start until like 20 seconds in |
| [07:09:39] | Beirdo: | music starts at the first drum beat, buddy |
| [07:09:56] | Beirdo: | and it has a very identifiable beat |
| [07:10:07] | wagnerrp: | but theres no notes being played, theres no 'bar' |
| [07:10:16] | Beirdo: | of course there |
| [07:10:18] | Beirdo: | is |
| [07:10:42] | Beirdo: | drums are still marked on the sheet music should it be written |
| [07:11:12] | Beirdo: | and a bar (in 4 4 time) is 4 quarter notes, even if just percussive :) |
| [07:11:16] | wagnerrp: | actually, i guess thats a synth that starts out? |
| [07:11:23] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [07:11:31] | Beirdo: | drums.. then synth, then guitar |
| [07:11:32] | wagnerrp: | well it sounds almost like a violin |
| [07:11:53] | Beirdo: | and I think the synth is actually a guitar effect, but not sure |
| [07:12:34] | Beirdo: | but, anyways, I was willing to have ringing ears for that one :) |
| [07:12:36] | wagnerrp: | i left the chili on too long without checking on it |
| [07:12:47] | Beirdo: | ooops |
| [07:12:52] | wagnerrp: | it started to dry out, and i lost some burned to the bottom of the pot... :( |
| [07:13:02] | wagnerrp: | poor lost delicious chili |
| [07:13:08] | Beirdo: | that sucks |
| [07:13:49] | Beirdo: | the new pixmap stuff... I am not too sure I like |
| [07:14:06] | Beirdo: | it is recreating all the thumbnails... |
| [07:14:26] | Beirdo: | and the first time through the program list... is awkward |
| [07:14:45] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [07:14:57] | Beirdo: | it should all work out in time |
| [07:25:12] | rococo: | anyone have gigabit internet yet? |
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| [07:26:22] | wagnerrp: | ...internet? |
| [07:26:50] | Beirdo: | you could... if you pay enough |
| [07:27:04] | Beirdo: | and live in a data center |
| [07:27:08] | wagnerrp: | about a hundred K per month |
| [07:27:20] | wagnerrp: | its doable |
| [07:28:57] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:29:07] | Beirdo: | but not on my budget, alas |
| [07:30:49] | wagnerrp: | here we go... wholesale OC12, only $15K/mo |
| [07:30:53] | wagnerrp: | thats actually not bad |
| [07:31:16] | Beirdo: | that's not 1G though, is it? |
| [07:31:19] | wagnerrp: | of course youve got another $10K for the local loop, and about as much for the equipment |
| [07:31:27] | wagnerrp: | no, only 622Mbps |
| [07:31:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:31:36] | Beirdo: | OC24FTW |
| [07:31:45] | Beirdo: | I want OC192 |
| [07:32:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, because we can use 10GBTTH |
| [07:32:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:32:23] | Beirdo: | sure we can |
| [07:32:38] | Beirdo: | put your storage for your mythbox at my house |
| [07:32:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:33:01] | wagnerrp: | technically, my RAID card should be able to hit that speed |
| [07:33:13] | Beirdo: | now THAT is show sharing... only cost ya... what? $80k/month? |
| [07:33:40] | wagnerrp: | and i could swap my video card for a fiber card |
| [07:34:02] | Beirdo: | Foreigner is playing at a casino near here in a few weeks |
| [07:34:05] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [07:34:09] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [07:34:12] | wagnerrp: | actually, at those rates, infiniband is probably more common isnt it? |
| [07:34:34] | Beirdo: | could be. |
| [07:35:00] | Beirdo: | just get me a dark fiber run end to end |
| [07:35:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:35:15] | Beirdo: | pay a few million to lay it... and almost no monthly |
| [07:35:50] | Beirdo: | then I need equipment on both end, but can do what I want with it :) |
| [07:35:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:36:01] | sphery: | Beirdo: takes forever as in each one appears one after the other, but it doesn't necessarily reprioritize the visible ones for you or the actual generation is slower or you have a many, many core system that was very happy to do tons of preview gens all at once (rather than one after the other)? |
| [07:36:24] | Beirdo: | the former |
| [07:36:33] | Beirdo: | I'm sure you noticed that too |
| [07:36:49] | sphery: | haven't up'ed yet |
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| [07:36:56] | Beirdo: | and if you scroll quickly, it queues up a pile of em... |
| [07:37:18] | Beirdo: | the actual generation, I think is better |
| [07:37:25] | sphery: | why was yours doing a bunch of them at once? |
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| [07:37:38] | sphery: | just curious |
| [07:37:42] | Beirdo: | because it seemed to have tossed the old ones, and regenerated every one |
| [07:37:46] | sphery: | in theory, the frontend should seldom ever request them |
| [07:37:50] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [07:38:04] | sphery: | wonder if he changed names--in which case we probably need to update the mythxml names |
| [07:38:11] | Beirdo: | I haven't spent any time looking at it closely |
| [07:38:27] | sphery: | yeah, I just wanted to know what you saw so I know what to look for when I svn up |
| [07:38:30] | Beirdo: | only been home like half an hour |
| [07:38:40] | Beirdo: | had a great nap at the concert :) |
| [07:39:27] | sphery: | there are a few preview things I know a bit about, so if some of it is stuff in my realm of expertise, I might be able to see what's happening\ |
| [07:39:33] | sphery: | otherwise, maybe danielk will |
| [07:39:43] | wagnerrp: | something just seems wrong... sleeping to slayer |
| [07:39:45] | sphery: | you're not supposed to nap at concerts--that tends to be expensive |
| [07:39:50] | Beirdo: | I'll take a look tomorrow |
| [07:39:58] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah, well, I was tired |
| [07:40:15] | Beirdo: | and I used to fall asleep to GNR at max volume |
| [07:40:17] | sphery: | quit working so hard ... gotta nap /before/ those concerts |
| [07:40:28] | wagnerrp: | you got lost in a dream |
| [07:40:34] | wagnerrp: | nothing was what it seems |
| [07:40:44] | Beirdo: | but Megadeth was great |
| [07:41:01] | Beirdo: | they were why I paid $40 for the ticket |
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| [07:42:00] | Beirdo: | the melodic sounds of dueling guitars did me in though :) |
| [07:42:27] | Beirdo: | and the lights... OMG, the lights for Slayer... were hideous |
| [07:42:43] | Beirdo: | flashy flashy flashy... right in your face... |
| [07:42:56] | Beirdo: | kinda made me want to close my eyes :) |
| [07:43:09] | sphery: | problem with changing low-level headers is that it's hard to tell if the warnings are pre-existing or related to your changes |
| [07:43:19] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:46:16] | Beirdo: | anyone wanna edjumacate Jonathan Martens as to brake vs break? |
| [07:46:25] | Beirdo: | it's starting to drive me insane |
| [07:47:04] | wagnerrp: | well... it did slow down building |
| [07:47:13] | wagnerrp: | slowed it to a full stop even |
| [07:47:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:48:43] | wagnerrp: | of course the use of break/brake is nowhere near as bad as 'cialis 8-[[[' |
| [07:48:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:49:05] | Beirdo: | 8================ |
| [07:49:09] | sphery: | is that the guy's triple-chin showing? |
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| [07:49:28] | wagnerrp: | that was a new ticket from Cutieclover |
| [07:49:29] | sphery: | and Pinochio |
| [07:50:36] | sphery: | well, he got it spelled right in the title |
| [07:51:04] | Beirdo: | this time |
| [07:51:22] | sphery: | perhaps he works on brake assemblies for Daimler motors, so it's just muscle memory |
| [07:51:36] | sphery: | (or are there any NL car companies?) |
| [07:51:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:51:53] | sphery: | NedCar |
| [07:52:09] | Beirdo: | wouldn't surprise me if BMW and Benz were both made locally there |
| [07:52:14] | sphery: | Spyker |
| [07:52:47] | sphery: | NedCar, officially Netherlands Car B.V. and a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Motors, is the only large-scale automaker in the Netherlands. |
| [07:52:52] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NedCar |
| [07:53:02] | Beirdo: | Mitsubishi |
| [07:53:05] | sphery: | seems Spyker went defunct in 1929 |
| [07:53:22] | Beirdo: | so the only dutch cars... are Japanese cars |
| [07:53:29] | sphery: | likely he didn't build up typing muscle memory for the work "brake" prior to 1929 |
| [07:53:30] | Beirdo: | how odd |
| [07:53:36] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [07:53:51] | Beirdo: | and owned by Chrysler still, I wonder? |
| [07:55:00] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Motors#DaimlerChrysler |
| [07:55:58] | sphery: | seems it now has a Japanese controlling interest, again |
| [07:56:15] | Beirdo: | good |
| [07:56:39] | sphery: | and DCX has sold all interest in it |
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| [07:57:43] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go to bed shortly |
| [08:00:01] | Beirdo: | tomorrow's another day of fun myth playing |
| [08:00:15] | Beirdo: | my LCD is in the mailroom downstairs oo |
| [08:00:17] | Beirdo: | too |
| [08:01:52] | sphery: | cool |
| [08:01:56] | sphery: | I should be in bed |
| [08:02:13] | Beirdo: | preferrably with a pretty woman... |
| [08:02:13] | sphery: | but I feel like svn up'ing and maybe committing the cut list editor |
| [08:02:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [08:02:25] | sphery: | I don't own that DVD |
| [08:02:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:02:57] | Beirdo: | well, I'd be happy to see the cutlist editor in :) |
| [08:03:12] | sphery: | yeah, I should get it in |
| [08:03:18] | sphery: | I have all the changes I can think of done |
| [08:03:40] | sphery: | think I've covered all edit styles users have |
| [08:03:48] | wagnerrp: | do either of you use power rules? |
| [08:03:51] | sphery: | should be an improvement |
| [08:03:53] | sphery: | I do! |
| [08:04:07] | wagnerrp: | mind pastebining a couple? |
| [08:04:11] | Beirdo: | I think tomorrow, I may hack in more detail on the SendReceiveStringList QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY |
| [08:04:24] | wagnerrp: | just looking for some examples to make sure ive got everything set up proper |
| [08:04:28] | Beirdo: | no power rules here, sorry |
| [08:04:28] | sphery: | what exactly? The record from mysql? |
| [08:04:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, record table entries |
| [08:04:38] | sphery: | ok |
| [08:04:50] | sphery: | 0.23-fixes, but I don't think there are any important changes |
| [08:05:03] | wagnerrp: | ive got my stuff all written from what gigem said, but ive got nothing to check them against |
| [08:05:20] | wagnerrp: | and ive never actually created any in the frontend, so i would have to learn that too |
| [08:05:39] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: what version of FreeBSD should I download for running in a VM for build testing? |
| [08:06:37] | wagnerrp: | ive been using 8.0 currently |
| [08:06:51] | Beirdo: | would 8.1 be out of the question? |
| [08:06:55] | wagnerrp: | if you want, and dont mind waiting a few hours, i could image up my install |
| [08:07:10] | sphery: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/a3jfiJgu |
| [08:07:17] | sphery: | just don't make fun of my pr0n rules |
| [08:07:33] | sphery: | you know, the SWAT pr0n and science pr0n |
| [08:07:42] | Beirdo: | sure. I wouldn't mind learning the install as well, but a premade image is always good |
| [08:08:05] | wagnerrp: | im running it as a jail, not a full vm |
| [08:08:17] | wagnerrp: | so you might need to tinker a bit with the boot loader |
| [08:08:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, and only the nova one was created in 0.23-fixes |
| [08:08:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thanks |
| [08:09:01] | sphery: | the other 2 from 0.21-fixes, so might have some "bugs" in them (if there were any issues with the old editor) |
| [08:09:08] | Beirdo: | coolio |
| [08:09:33] | sphery: | select min(startdate) from record; -> 2004-07–20 |
| [08:09:36] | sphery: | that's an old rule |
| [08:09:47] | Beirdo: | I'd like to have a way to make sure I'm not breaking builds |
| [08:10:04] | Beirdo: | I need to score an OSX box too sometime |
| [08:10:06] | sphery: | Alan Alda in Scientific American Frontiers |
| [08:10:15] | sphery: | but the show is ended :( |
| [08:11:22] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed beckons |
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| [08:11:32] | Beirdo: | chat with ya guys tomorrow |
| [08:11:40] | sphery: | later |
| [08:11:42] | wagnerrp: | ill pm you a link when i get it zipped up |
| [08:11:49] | Beirdo: | k |
| [08:14:02] | sphery: | ok, I guess not officially ended, but not really doing much since 2005 |
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| [08:35:45] | wagnerrp: | bleh... i keep telling tar to limit itself to one filesystem |
| [08:35:52] | wagnerrp: | and it recurses anyway |
| [08:36:32] | wagnerrp: | oh, seems '-l' does something different in freebsd |
| [08:37:58] | justinh: | sphery: is the new cutlist editor going to be documented? saw you mention the possibility of people with muscle memory becoming upset ;-) |
| [08:38:45] | justinh: | if I get a chance I can do it but er.. free time is measured in minutes these days as opposed to hours |
| [08:40:52] | sphery: | I plan to put some info on the wiki eventually |
| [08:40:58] | sphery: | probably won't be until after 0.24 release |
| [08:41:05] | sphery: | the new one is actually much easier than the old, IMHO |
| [08:41:16] | sphery: | the old did different things depending on how close you were to a mark |
| [08:41:22] | sphery: | and never seemed to do the right thing |
| [08:41:38] | sphery: | now it's consistent everywhere |
| [08:41:54] | sphery: | but there's a difference between what happens inside and outside cut areas |
| [08:42:28] | sphery: | but it's also very intuitive--for 2 different styles of editing (using select or using menu) |
| [08:42:51] | sphery: | menu is the most descriptive approach, though |
| [08:43:03] | sphery: | the commit message should provide all anyone needs to figure it out, though |
| [08:43:41] | sphery: | the wiki page will just document some "advanced" editing techniques (things that you might not necessarily figure out, except by accident) |
| [08:44:41] | wagnerrp: | oh crap |
| [08:44:46] | wagnerrp: | thats why it wasnt working |
| [08:45:06] | wagnerrp: | i put 'l' as the last arguement |
| [08:45:18] | wagnerrp: | and i was tarring it to '-l' |
| [08:45:25] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea how to delete a file named '-l' |
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| [08:46:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ? is your friend |
| [08:46:43] | sphery: | just make sure you don't also have a file called el |
| [08:46:56] | wagnerrp: | nah, just did it through python |
| [08:46:59] | sphery: | can usually also do: rm — -l |
| [08:47:05] | wagnerrp: | there are no command line arguments in the interpreter |
| [08:47:13] | sphery: | that works, too |
| [08:47:15] | wagnerrp: | that would work |
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| [09:59:36] | justinh: | sphery: sounds v. nice. don't have much experience of what happens near a cutmark, since I make all my own :) |
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| [10:09:13] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, since commercial detection isn't so great over there, you probably don't use the flag list as a starting point |
| [10:09:19] | sphery: | just missed him... |
| [10:09:36] | wagnerrp: | actually, you missed him by like 5 minutes |
| [10:12:57] | sphery: | heh, guess so |
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| [10:13:10] | sphery: | but I /just/ missed his ghost |
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| [13:30:41] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [13:30:42] | SpaceBass: | is there a way to default a user job to "on" for every recording? |
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| [13:48:40] | tank-man: | i beleive so |
| [13:50:22] | SpaceBass: | tank-man, any suggestions on how? |
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| [13:53:23] | tank-man: | seems im mistaken |
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| [16:01:42] | Azelphur: | does anyone know how to make lirc send certain buttons for certain applications? I'm setting up MythGame with emulators and need to set back on the remote to Escape to exit the emulator :) |
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| [19:36:13] | Beirdo: | I think it's time for more coffee |
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| [19:55:51] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you had long mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all times? |
| [19:57:03] | Beirdo: | I don't recall... I don't think so though, there was something else that was slow |
| [19:57:14] | Beirdo: | let me go get the coffee and take a look |
| [19:58:29] | Beirdo: | should I just run it from the command line with a time? |
| [19:59:23] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [19:59:31] | kormoc: | you have multiple sources? |
| [19:59:35] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:59:47] | kormoc: | yeah, you should be affected then |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | 3 defined sources, two of which pull from the same listing at SD, the other from a separate one |
| [20:00:08] | kormoc: | kk |
| [20:00:24] | Beirdo: | OK, gimme a moment to let it finish compiling (forgot I was mid-install) |
| [20:00:42] | kormoc: | I'm hoping that you take like 20+ minutes to run and then with my patch that's way lowered :) |
| [20:00:56] | Beirdo: | sounds like a good test then :) |
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| [20:01:24] | kormoc: | that said, you might want to backup your database before using my patch. it shouldn't do anything unexpected, but jic |
| [20:01:38] | Beirdo: | hehe, fair enough |
| [20:04:26] | Beirdo: | Futurama season finale!? |
| [20:04:29] | Beirdo: | that's not fair |
| [20:09:30] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: any idea why setting error_reporting in my php.ini would not have any effect? |
| [20:10:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, depends on the script, the script could over-ride your config setting |
| [20:10:38] | Beirdo: | OK, starting the filldb |
| [20:10:39] | wagnerrp: | i tried overriding it in the script manually as well, no effect |
| [20:10:46] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [20:11:01] | kormoc: | so it's just eating the errors? have a error handler registered? |
| [20:11:05] | wagnerrp: | trying to resolve this... http://docs.cacti.net/faq#deprecated_warnings |
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| [20:12:21] | kormoc: | huh |
| [20:12:55] | kormoc: | I don't know offhand of any reason why that wouldn't work right |
| [20:17:15] | Beirdo: | kormoc: should I have put any -v on this? |
| [20:17:37] | kormoc: | nah |
| [20:17:41] | kormoc: | still going? |
| [20:17:49] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:18:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: looks like cacti itself is resetting the setting in include/global.php |
| [20:18:39] | kormoc: | Beirdo, did you get from "Clearing data for source" to "Data for source cleared" yet? |
| [20:18:45] | kormoc: | or is it still working on that one? |
| [20:19:03] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [20:19:12] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:17:12.750 Clearing from Thu Sep 2 17:00:00 2010 to Sun Sep 19 16:59:59 2010 (localtime) |
| [20:19:25] | Beirdo: | last thing so far |
| [20:19:26] | kormoc: | Okay, so you're in the middle of that block |
| [20:19:39] | kormoc: | my code should optimize that step |
| [20:19:48] | kormoc: | so the timing for that is the important one to record |
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| [20:19:55] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:19:46.290 Data for source cleared. |
| [20:20:06] | kormoc: | 2:30ish |
| [20:20:09] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:21:26] | kormoc: | that's just the first source? |
| [20:21:32] | Beirdo: | yep |
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| [20:21:42] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:21:32.406 Clearing from Thu Sep 2 17:00:00 2010 to Sun Sep 19 16:59:59 2010 (localtime) |
| [20:21:47] | kormoc: | kk, the first one seems the fastest |
| [20:21:49] | Beirdo: | just started for #2 |
| [20:23:01] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:22:54.015 Data for source cleared. |
| [20:23:11] | Beirdo: | so 1:30ish the second time |
| [20:23:28] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:23:44] | Beirdo: | well, 1:20ish |
| [20:24:01] | kormoc: | and the rest of the steps seem pretty fast? |
| [20:24:10] | Beirdo: | so far |
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| [20:24:48] | Beirdo: | Updating programs is about the same amount of time |
| [20:25:05] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:24:31.235 Clearing from Thu Sep 2 17:00:00 2010 to Sun Sep 19 16:59:59 2010 (localtime) |
| [20:25:08] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:24:40.366 Data for source cleared. |
| [20:25:19] | Beirdo: | heh, third one's fast... but that's my OTA lineup |
| [20:25:48] | sphery: | are you guys fixing --dd-grab-all for me? |
| [20:25:55] | sphery: | sweet... |
| [20:25:58] | Beirdo: | tryin |
| [20:26:14] | sphery: | remember, though, we either have only one DB update or 11 DB updates available before release |
| [20:26:36] | sphery: | (to maintain our "DBSchemaVer ends in 4 on release" streak :) |
| [20:26:42] | kormoc: | http://www.kormoc.com/websvn/wsvn/Portage%20E . . . Source.patch |
| [20:26:50] | kormoc: | so far, no db mods needed :) |
| [20:27:01] | Beirdo: | real 16m3.492s |
| [20:27:01] | Beirdo: | user 1m42.441s |
| [20:27:01] | Beirdo: | sys 0m40.504s |
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| [20:28:00] | kormoc: | so for you, clearing sources took ~ 4m, updating programs took ~ 1:30 and everything else seemed pretty fast? |
| [20:28:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, the download was 5min or so maybe, everything else was pretty fast |
| [20:29:03] | sphery: | I like my ~30s --dd-grab-all run times |
| [20:30:00] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems these php issues were preventing the poller from running either |
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| [20:30:06] | wagnerrp: | ive got no data for the past month and a half |
| [20:30:50] | kormoc: | rough |
| [20:30:54] | Beirdo: | OK, compiling in your patch |
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| [20:31:01] | Beirdo: | did the db dump first |
| [20:31:28] | wagnerrp: | also turns out that some perl update months ago was blocking snmpd from running on one of my machines |
| [20:31:39] | kormoc: | rough |
| [20:31:44] | Beirdo: | and starting |
| [20:33:16] | kormoc: | so the patch for me takes my ~1:30 clear source stage and makes it 40 seconds |
| [20:33:51] | kormoc: | for you myisam users, it should also speed up the updating programs stage |
| [20:34:32] | Beirdo: | which currently includes me |
| [20:35:27] | sphery: | kormoc sounds like a dog today... "rough rough" |
| [20:36:32] | sphery: | kormoc: which approach are you using? the single DELETE for all channels in the source or just some DB changes? |
| [20:36:40] | kormoc: | single delete |
| [20:36:46] | kormoc: | with the QUICK keyword |
| [20:37:02] | sphery: | ah, just found the patch--I saw Portage and thought that was some Gentoo thing |
| [20:37:05] | sphery: | didn't read the rest |
| [20:37:14] | kormoc: | sphery, it's just where useonairguide=0 or do I need the xmlid = '' as well? |
| [20:37:16] | sphery: | cool... didn't know there was a quick keyword |
| [20:37:34] | sphery: | use only the xmltvid = '' one |
| [20:37:46] | kormoc: | QUICK only applies to myisam, it tells it to not rebalance the index after the delete, but to wait for the inserts |
| [20:37:49] | sphery: | useonairguide defaults to 1 on all channels, but useeit defaults to off on sources |
| [20:37:55] | kormoc: | which should speed up inserts that have similar key layouts |
| [20:38:03] | sphery: | so useonairguide only applies if we also check the source's useeit |
| [20:38:14] | sphery: | ah, cool approahc |
| [20:38:15] | kormoc: | whoops! |
| [20:39:45] | sphery: | not that it's a problem--we currently clear everything regardless of whether EIT is in use |
| [20:39:59] | sphery: | so no worries, Beirdo--your tests didn't break anything :) |
| [20:40:19] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:39:06.766 Clearing from Thu Sep 2 17:00:00 2010 to Sun Sep 19 16:59:59 2010 (localtime) |
| [20:40:22] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:40:09.295 Data for source cleared. |
| [20:40:27] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:40:28] | kormoc: | nice |
| [20:40:28] | Beirdo: | down to 1min from 2:30 |
| [20:40:29] | sphery: | from 4min? |
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| [20:40:41] | sphery: | still nice |
| [20:40:46] | kormoc: | sphery, he has multiple sources, 4 minutes was runtime for both |
| [20:40:54] | sphery: | ah, I see |
| [20:41:09] | sphery: | I came into the conversation late, so I"m catching up |
| [20:41:27] | sphery: | (and not really helping--just slowing you down... Maybe I should get back to patching. :) |
| [20:41:33] | Beirdo: | hehe, tis ok |
| [20:41:35] | kormoc: | heh, it's all good :) |
| [20:42:03] | Beirdo: | updating took just under 30s |
| [20:42:03] | sphery: | yay, just closed my last major ticket |
| [20:42:16] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [20:42:23] | sphery: | (of course, it was user-defined major, but still) |
| [20:42:51] | sphery: | in this case, though, it probably warranted the priority |
| [20:42:53] | Beirdo: | clearing source 2 |
| [20:43:01] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:41:50.153 Clearing from Thu Sep 2 17:00:00 2010 to Sun Sep 19 16:59:59 2010 (localtime) |
| [20:43:04] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:42:53.784 Data for source cleared. |
| [20:43:39] | kormoc: | 1:03 vs 1:30 previously |
| [20:43:48] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:44:33] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:44:26.896 Clearing from Thu Sep 2 17:00:00 2010 to Sun Sep 19 16:59:59 2010 (localtime) |
| [20:44:36] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:44:26.900 Data for source cleared. |
| [20:44:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:44:49] | Beirdo: | way fast on #3 |
| [20:44:57] | kormoc: | program insert on source #2 also improved? |
| [20:45:11] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:42:53.784 Updating programs. |
| [20:45:12] | Beirdo: | 2010-09–04 13:44:19.544 Program table update complete. |
| [20:45:15] | Beirdo: | about the same |
| [20:45:21] | kormoc: | kk |
| [20:46:09] | Beirdo: | just marking last episodes, etc now |
| [20:46:31] | Beirdo: | real 14m47.090s |
| [20:46:31] | Beirdo: | user 1m47.035s |
| [20:46:31] | Beirdo: | sys 0m43.113s |
| [20:47:07] | kormoc: | sphery, we want to avoid clearing on xmltvid == '' or != ''? |
| [20:47:09] | Beirdo: | so definitely faster. the misc times add up to a fair amount though |
| [20:47:23] | sphery: | clear when xmltvid != '' |
| [20:48:03] | sphery: | if that's an expensive operation, though, you can skip it--like we do now |
| [20:48:18] | kormoc: | it shouldn't be |
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| [20:49:38] | sphery: | I don't think that EIT ever uses ClearDataBySource, so we shouldn't have to worry about needing a new arg or anything |
| [20:49:54] | sphery: | you could check with stuarta or someone if you want to be sure, though |
| [20:55:03] | kormoc: | yeah, it's only used once |
| [20:56:13] | sphery: | cool |
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| [21:06:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i think this guy could give you a run for your recording count... http://e2r4.com/cacti/mythtv/14.jpg |
| [21:06:20] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind.... |
| [21:06:29] | wagnerrp: | 'Current Recordings' and 'Recorded Programs' |
| [21:06:35] | wagnerrp: | i guess one is the count in 'oldrecorded' |
| [21:06:49] | wagnerrp: | not the current stored |
| [21:06:54] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [21:07:09] | sphery: | 3K existing recordings would be a lot |
| [21:07:30] | wagnerrp: | not if theyre all SD |
| [21:08:01] | wagnerrp: | bunch of half-hour shows, or recompressed |
| [21:08:06] | wagnerrp: | could be done in a couple TB |
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| [21:08:50] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [21:09:06] | Beirdo: | I need to make the graphs similar to those again |
| [21:09:15] | Beirdo: | I wish I hadn't lost my scripts |
| [21:09:53] | Beirdo: | this time (when I get to it), I will be sure to export them |
| [21:11:19] | sphery: | still a lot of recordings--regardless of whether it's a lot of space :) |
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| [21:13:43] | Beirdo: | jeez, I have enough Scrubs and Family Guy to keep me watching crap all weekend |
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| [21:19:40] | kormoc: | my oldrecord 15178 |
| [21:20:37] | michthom: | Does anyone know how to **remove** a global keybinding from a particular context? I've bound keys L and K to JUMPFFWD and JUMPRWND as I want them, but Up and Down still cause 10-minute jumps (which I *don't* want. |
| [21:20:56] | michthom: | (in TV Playback context – sorry I should have said) |
| [21:22:49] | Beirdo: | bah, virtualbox wants me to use X to install... why can't the INSTALLER use RDP? :) |
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| [21:36:21] | wagnerrp: | seems that mythtv cacti script is not working |
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| [21:40:04] | wagnerrp: | stoth: youve been using a 2250 analog with mythtv? works fine? |
| [21:40:21] | wagnerrp: | ive just been recommending that to people who want analog capture, and wondering if i should continue |
| [21:40:36] | stoth: | wagnerrp: been a while but yes |
| [21:40:55] | Beirdo: | OK, time to shutdown the devel box and add hardware to it |
| [21:40:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [21:42:04] | awoodland: | is there an easy (and cheaper than buying a tuner) way to check if there's a dish/lnb at the other end of a satellite dish connector? |
| [21:42:38] | michthom: | You could try a signal strength meter? |
| [21:42:39] | iamlindoro: | ocular disambiguation |
| [21:42:42] | wagnerrp: | walk to the other end of the connector? |
| [21:42:53] | wagnerrp: | s/connector/cable/ |
| [21:43:02] | awoodland: | I have no idea where the other end is :) it's in a block of flats and I can't see the roof |
| [21:43:10] | awoodland: | so it's possible there's something there |
| [21:43:12] | awoodland: | or nothing there |
| [21:43:27] | iamlindoro: | grappling hook |
| [21:43:33] | michthom: | Heh |
| [21:43:43] | devinheitmueller: | spectrum analyzer? |
| [21:43:44] | awoodland: | should resistance be infinite or low? |
| [21:43:59] | iamlindoro: | depends on whether you are my girlfriend, and whether it is my birthday |
| [21:44:13] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:44:24] | devinheitmueller: | (although a spectrum analyzer might be a little more pricey than a tuner) |
| [21:44:30] | michthom: | \mode |
| [21:45:57] | awoodland: | yeah I was hoping there was something trivial that would make it obvious |
| [21:46:13] | awoodland: | like using a multi-meter |
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| [22:15:59] | Beirdo: | OK, PVR-250 and LCD installed onto the dev box |
| [22:17:21] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, did you have super long --dd-grab-all times? |
| [22:18:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, 370 + 60 channels, 6 minutes |
| [22:19:09] | kormoc: | Hrm, that's not horrible |
| [22:19:24] | iamlindoro: | yeah, acceptable to me anyway |
| [22:19:59] | kormoc: | Is anyone around who has a epically huge --dd-grab-all runtime? |
| [22:22:33] | Beirdo: | hahah, I hadn't even installed an X server onto the dev box yet |
| [22:22:45] | Beirdo: | intel 865 piece of junk :) |
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| [22:38:43] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [22:45:06] | Beirdo: | had to actually look up the frequency for NTSC channel 3 so mplayer will like me well enough to scan with this external OTA converter on my PVR-250 |
| [22:46:12] | Beirdo: | frigging pain in the butt, but it's there now |
| [22:46:22] | Beirdo: | and with -noaudio |
| [22:46:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:47:57] | Beirdo: | I guess I should hook the line out on the dev box to the TV at some point |
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| [23:22:16] | Beirdo: | OK. LCDd running |
| [23:23:23] | Beirdo: | had to compile from lcdproc CVS because some ubuntu packagers haven't updated that package in a while |
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| [23:28:06] | sphery: | nice Google's buckyball is DoS-ing my firefox |
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| [23:55:24] | Josh`: | Anyone have any suggestions why Mythweb would only show three icons (TV, Video, and Settings) even though I have mythplugins configured with every plugin enabled and installed?) |
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