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Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:06] wagnerrp: fbsd backend with HDHR
[00:00:12] Beirdo: cool
[00:00:17] wagnerrp: gentoo SBE with 2x-150 and -1250
[00:00:36] Beirdo: so freebsd and freebsd-wannabe :)
[00:00:39] Beirdo: cool
[00:01:05] Beirdo: I'm toying with the idea of running freebsd in a VM for test builds
[00:01:26] Beirdo: OMG.
[00:01:37] Beirdo: come ON, mysql, this decade
[00:01:52] wagnerrp: i invariably have problems with my upgrades though
[00:01:58] wagnerrp: problems i have no idea how to fix
[00:02:11] Beirdo: all the more reason to have constant test builds :)
[00:02:17] wagnerrp: some machine doesnt reboot properly and i have to hit the reset button
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[00:02:27] Beirdo: oh those
[00:02:27] Beirdo: hehe
[00:02:32] wagnerrp: or one of them fails to connect over iscsim and again, the reset button
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[00:53:23] tgm4883: I just picked up a HDPVR, I notice that the wiki states I cannot update the firmware in Linux and must do so from a Windows machine. Is this just a warning that I cannot do it from Linux, or do I actually need to update the firmware and therefor find an XP box?
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[00:56:11] wagnerrp: you only need to upgrade the firmware if you have an old original one, and need something in the updated version
[00:56:22] wagnerrp: not so much a problem with the newer units as it was the older units
[00:56:38] wagnerrp: i thought the linux firmware upload had been resolved as well, but i dont know for certain
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[01:01:55] tgm4883: wagnerrp, good to know, mines new from amazon so it should be fine then
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[01:17:41] jpabq: tgm4883, latest HD-PVR firmware will show up in your /var/log/messages as version 0x15. Previous version shows up as 0x12. Only difference in the new firmware, is an attempt to improve audio/video sync for DISH and some cable co users. Not a problem for everyone, and not a problem for Directv users.
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[01:26:19] [R]: Beirdo: you there?
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[01:36:30] tgm4883: jpabq, hdpvr 1–2:1.0: untested firmware version 0xf
[01:36:34] tgm4883: new firmware?
[01:37:04] jpabq: No, that is actually pretty old. I would recommend upgrading if you can get ahold of a windows box.
[01:37:33] jpabq: Hauppauge has not changed the actually hardware in a very long time, so you probably have good hardware, but you should get new firmware.
[01:37:53] tgm4883: hmm
[01:38:00] tgm4883: don't suppose I can upgrade firmware from a VM?
[01:38:11] [R]: tgm4883: you can
[01:38:58] tgm4883: sweet deal
[01:39:05] tgm4883: I'll just load up one then
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[01:46:15] Beirdo: [R]: jsut got home
[01:46:28] [R]: Beirdo: still working on upnp stuff?
[01:46:33] [R]: Beirdo: i know something i want to fix
[01:46:43] Beirdo: well, yes and no :)
[01:46:49] Beirdo: yes, but not for 0.24
[01:47:11] [R]: prevent the backend from shutting down if there are no frontends connected, but there is a upnp streaming
[01:48:07] Beirdo: prevent it?
[01:48:19] Beirdo: i.e. if you hit Ctrl-C, don't quit?
[01:48:25] [R]: no, the idle shutdown
[01:48:31] Beirdo: ooooh
[01:48:50] Beirdo: that might be tough to do
[01:48:58] Beirdo: but we can certainly look into it
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[01:48:58] [R]: well thats why it'll be a fun exersize
[01:49:09] [R]: i'll have a patch by mon
[01:49:10] [R]: :)
[01:49:10] [R]: lol
[01:50:09] Beirdo: don't knock yourself out too much :) it won't go in until after 0.24 anyways
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[01:50:20] [R]: i know, but i'll be able to use it
[01:50:23] [R]: thats all i care about
[01:50:58] Beirdo: hehe
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[01:52:03] Beirdo: well, Scrubs + code tonight
[01:52:21] [R]: i've seen every ep
[01:52:41] Beirdo: I likely have too, but I still enjoy em
[01:53:14] Beirdo: have a childhood friend that looks a lot like Elliot
[01:54:05] wagnerrp: does she swear in incredibly annoying terms?
[01:54:22] Beirdo: hehe, I said look, not act :)
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[02:32:02] wagnerrp: oh kormoc... for shame
[02:32:27] kormoc: hrm?
[02:32:42] wagnerrp: 2010-09–02 15:59:34.427 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 58 but we speak 59!
[02:32:52] kormoc: yeah
[02:32:58] kormoc: my OS X comflagger wasn't updated
[02:33:06] kormoc: so it sat there pounding away
[02:34:45] wagnerrp: tricky tricky
[02:34:52] wagnerrp: :)
[02:34:59] kormoc: :P
[02:35:13] kormoc: it's just noise that is unrelated to the issue
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[02:45:41] sphery: Ooooh.. I just thought of something very important. We /really/ need one more DB update before 0.24 release. 0.21 was 1214, 0.22 was 1244, 0.23 was 1254, and we're currently at 1263
[02:45:55] sphery: gotta keep the ends-in-4 going
[02:46:12] [R]: lol
[02:46:14] wagnerrp: a schema change 'just for good measure' right before the freeze?
[02:46:24] wagnerrp: better to wait until right before release
[02:46:32] wagnerrp: just in case one of the later features requires an update
[02:46:38] sphery: yeah, good plan
[02:46:58] sphery: I'd like to check 0.20 and potentially before, but trac is dead
[02:47:21] Captain_Murdoch: sphery, that will be the MythVideo update?? :)
[02:48:35] sphery: is that going in before 0.24?
[02:48:52] sphery: if so, I need to just commit the new cut list editor and get to work on the MV update patch!
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[02:50:16] Captain_Murdoch: I think he'd like to get it in before 0.24, but was thinking he'd need some help on getting the schema stuff cutover.
[02:51:07] sphery: yeah, I promised to work that for him, but couldn't remember whether it was before or after
[02:51:37] sphery: I have the cut list editor done, and am letting it stew (and having a couple other people test it), so I'm actually working on the mythvideo schema move next
[02:52:27] sphery: just going to spend my time tonight editing 18hrs of recordings to make sure I didn't miss anything, and then I'll work on MV schema tomorrow
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[04:27:58] kormoc: skd5aner, if you're up for it, if you want to run mythfilldatabase -v all --dd-grab-all &> file.log and email it to me, might help tracking down your speed issues a bit more
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[04:39:35] samfer: hi
[04:41:13] samfer: I'm not a MythTV user (or any other media app). I just saw a post on Slashdot that said this: "[You should use] MythTV, do all the processing on the backend server and have a lightweight (quiet) frontend it should bolt onto your existing ubuntu server" . What does this mean?
[04:41:42] wagnerrp: it means the user doesnt really know what theyre talking about
[04:41:51] wagnerrp: mythtv is set up as a client/server system
[04:42:01] wagnerrp: you have a server which does your recording, and storage management
[04:42:08] [R]: why would you bolt one computer onto another?
[04:42:12] wagnerrp: and you have your client which accesses the content from the server to play back
[04:42:28] wagnerrp: however mythtv currently only supports direct streaming from the backend (server)
[04:42:40] wagnerrp: it does not support live transcoding to a lightweight frontend
[04:42:41] samfer: wagnerrp: the client still needs to be powerful enough to decode it, though, surely? The requirements are the same as opening an H264 .avi file on your hard drive?
[04:43:19] samfer: yeah I think I understand
[04:43:21] wagnerrp: the only way you would be able to do what that post suggests is if you ran a userjob on the backend, to transcode the content to a reduced format that the lightweight frontend could manage
[04:43:36] [R]: my ion is lightweight and handles h264!
[04:43:58] wagnerrp: mythtv allows you to run arbitrary user jobs against a recording which can transcode the recordings to whatever you want
[04:44:04] samfer: thanks for the clarification
[04:44:08] wagnerrp: but they are performed in the backend in batch manner
[04:44:12] wagnerrp: not on-demand
[04:45:31] wagnerrp: there are various upnp servers available that will do on-demand transcoding for use of content on a lightweight frontend
[04:45:35] wagnerrp: but mythtv is not one of those
[04:49:16] [R]: wagnerrp: tons of people use a plug for a backend AND the hdpvr is the most popular tuner?
[04:49:30] wagnerrp: a plug?
[04:49:43] wagnerrp: you mean those crappy, underpowered, ARM warts?
[04:49:46] [R]: yeah
[04:50:18] wagnerrp: no, a few striken with the madness use a 'plug' for a backend, and i doubt any of them use an HDPVR
[04:50:39] [R]: there was just a post on the -users list, the guy said that statement
[04:50:49] [R]: "Thanks! There are a few of us running Myth on Plug computers now, so
[04:50:49] [R]: it's great that one of the most popular tuners is now confirmed to
[04:50:49] [R]: work."
[04:51:49] wagnerrp: yes, Tyler T is one of those striken with the madness
[04:51:57] [R]: haha
[04:52:09] wagnerrp: the foolish notion that just because you /can/ run linux on a toaster means you /should/
[04:52:23] [R]: whats the point of a backend that can't do antying?
[04:52:29] wagnerrp: they are getting cross-infected by netbsd users
[04:54:26] [R]: i have so many things i have to do
[04:54:30] wagnerrp: the point is that they thing there is utility in saving that 20W difference between a 'plugcomputer' and a normal PC
[04:54:38] [R]: write my ir reciver code... patch myth... switch to use lirc_serial... blah
[04:58:56] Beirdo: and recompiling... again
[04:59:42] wagnerrp: anyone know what the 'search' field is for in the `record` table?
[04:59:57] Beirdo: my guess would be for searching
[05:00:06] ** Beirdo ducks and runs **
[05:00:15] wagnerrp: its an integer value... what would that be used for?
[05:00:30] Beirdo: not a clue
[05:00:48] Beirdo: use the source, Luke?
[05:01:27] wagnerrp: shirley you can stop calling me Luke
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[05:02:37] Beirdo: heh
[05:03:34] Captain_Murdoch: wagnerrp, that's for power searches
[05:03:44] wagnerrp: Captain_Murdoch: right... what does it do?
[05:04:04] wagnerrp: gigem said to 'set search to the desired search type'
[05:04:14] wagnerrp: but he also said to set the 'type' field
[05:04:23] Captain_Murdoch: hold a sec.
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[05:05:43] Captain_Murdoch: look at libs/libmyth/recordingtypes.h there's an enum RecSearchTypes that details the search types
[05:06:24] wagnerrp: thanks
[05:07:05] Captain_Murdoch: look in programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp in Scheduler::BuildNewRecordsQueries() to see what tables those different searches actually hit.
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[05:16:29] tgm4883: hmm. I followed the instructions to upgrade my hdpvr firmware, but it seems it is still 0xf
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[05:30:01] [R]: tgm4883: it was 1.5.7.0?
[05:32:15] tgm4883: [R], yea, I did the upgrade again in the VM and it worked the second time
[05:32:27] tgm4883: odd, as it told me it was successful both times
[05:32:44] tgm4883: I'm working on getting it set up in the backend with channel changing via firewire
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[05:43:11] Beirdo: 2010-09–02 22:41:01.025 AFD Warning: ScanATSCCaptionStreams() called with no PMT
[05:43:18] Beirdo: that warning must die.
[05:43:37] Beirdo: especially when you are watching PVR-250 recordings, not ATSC
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[06:26:55] tgm4883: not sure whats going on here. I've setup an HDPVR and changing channels via firewire. I'm using '6200ch -g GUID -v 736' as my external channel change command. If I let mythtv change the channel, I lose audio and the video starts stuttering. If I change the channel with the remote (directly to the cable box) or via the command line using the same channel change command it works fine
[06:27:42] tgm4883: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/tMNbLapc
[06:27:56] tgm4883: ^ is what I believe the relevant parts of the backend log and dmesg
[06:28:39] Beirdo: what version?
[06:29:07] [R]: tgm4883: make a script with a sleep after the command
[06:29:09] tgm4883: mythtv-backend 0.23.1+fixes25609–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu
[06:29:19] [R]: tgm4883: sometimes you need to delay between cahnging the chanenl and letting the hdpvr start
[06:29:29] tgm4883: ah, let me try that
[06:29:54] Beirdo: a lot of the hdpvr tuning stuff has been changed around in trunk
[06:30:38] Beirdo: but yeah, a delay should help in the mean time
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[06:36:33] tgm4883: [R], Beirdo that seems to have resolved it. Thanks
[06:37:02] Beirdo: no problemo
[06:37:19] Beirdo: you may have to adjust it after 0.24, but we'll see :)
[06:39:24] [R]: i have a huge delay because you can't clear my OSD over firewire :(
[06:39:29] [R]: stupid scitentific atlanta
[06:41:12] Beirdo: hhee
[06:41:34] tgm4883: yea still working out a couple bugs
[06:41:43] tgm4883: I enabled vdpau playback and now I lost sound
[06:41:46] tgm4883: odd things like that
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[09:06:04] justinh: so, who IS going to be first to run a myth system which draws 0W & gets its software & storage from airbourne water vapour?
[09:06:18] justinh: stupid frickin users
[09:06:47] bjd: so much rage :)
[09:07:10] justinh: so little common sense :)
[09:08:01] justinh: btw if you think this is rage I suggest you recalibrate your temper sensor ;-)
[09:09:51] bjd: heh
[09:11:48] justinh: like I say on one of my online profiles "I've got so much hate to give"
[09:14:40] justinh: mng. apparently ebuyer.com's website was lying yesterday – they don't actually have any high power PoE injectors in stock
[09:15:36] justinh: website says one thing, their stock control says something else. a mere mortal might assume they'd be interlinked somehow
[09:17:03] jduggan: or they have staff stealing off the warehouse racking
[09:17:15] jduggan: so stock count doesnt tally with the actual inventory :)
[09:17:37] justinh: if that was the case they'd actually still *think* they had it in stock
[09:18:22] jduggan: well i assumed their site says it does, but they dont? Or did you call them up to find they do have it when the site says they dont
[09:18:55] justinh: the former
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[09:35:06] justinh: pfft. looked again – they show '71 in stock for next day delivery'. place the order, it goes through, then they email to say it's canceled cos there are none in stock
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[09:45:50] justinh: sent em an email & a tweet.. be interesting to see which gets a response first
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[09:46:35] justinh: lol. @ebuyerdotcom has never said nuffink
[09:56:00] sid3windr: tweetweet.
[10:00:20] justinh: our fan supplier has sent me some samples of a new part to test.. only thing is, their website shows 2 fans with the same part number, both having different RPM & airflow. so which is which?
[10:00:39] justinh: SAME PART NUMBER. Knuckleheads
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[10:06:31] justinh: not that it really matters for this product. the airflow is botched anyway.. all fans running at full tilt only produce a 2 deg C difference at best
[10:07:06] sid3windr: hah
[10:07:44] justinh: this is for the 2U high, immensely deep 5 disk JBOD unit. all the disks are mounted horizontally on a tray, air is 'ducted' to the underside of each disk separately from one of 5 fans. it's utterly retarded
[10:08:17] justinh: a chassis holding 5 SATA HDDs.. it weighs about 25Kg
[10:09:17] sid3windr: hmhm
[10:09:21] sid3windr: 2U can hold 8
[10:09:23] wagnerrp: why do you need a 2U case for horizontally mounted hard drives?
[10:09:25] sid3windr: and doesn't have to be deep or heavy
[10:09:26] sid3windr: :p
[10:09:37] justinh: they had to be mounted face up
[10:09:40] sid3windr: they're not even hotswap? :p
[10:09:54] justinh: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!
[10:10:20] wagnerrp: you can mount 5 drives across, in hotswap, in a standard 19" chassis
[10:10:28] justinh: oh you mean do it sensibly, and have disks on a backplane with common forced cooling? :-O
[10:10:44] justinh: you can mount more than 5 :-)
[10:11:14] wagnerrp: you can do 2–3x that amount if you put rotating drive mounts behind the front row
[10:11:49] justinh: nah, you unlock the drawer & it cuts power to everything, and then with the disks still spinning down pull the drawer out. win!
[10:12:02] wagnerrp: why does it cut power?
[10:12:15] justinh: the PHB said so
[10:12:23] wagnerrp: that makes no sense
[10:12:41] justinh: we all thought that immediately we found out
[10:13:04] justinh: the PHB is the guy nobody ever says no to & keeps their job
[10:13:24] wagnerrp: sounds like someone one of my friends used to work for
[10:13:38] justinh: it's ok though, we've got The Stig on the racing team
[10:14:11] justinh: and our marketing dept preach "success breeds success", so if the team wins a race the company will do well.
[10:14:37] wagnerrp: had no real electronic knowledge, but since he owned the company, he got his name on all the patents
[10:15:03] wagnerrp: of course since he had his name on the patents, he made sure to speak up during negotiations
[10:15:07] justinh: it's a good tax fiddle here. the company which makes the stuff does it all under licence from the parent company
[10:15:29] wagnerrp: and having no idea what he was talking about, torpedoed negotiations on multiple occasions
[10:16:12] justinh: heh
[10:17:34] wagnerrp: which really pissed off my friend
[10:17:47] justinh: the idea with this box was to use out of band signalling over the sata bus to control the fans, power disks up & down on demand... never happened so it's just a dumb box of disks on a port multiplier
[10:18:06] wagnerrp: considering he would get a percentage of any successful patent license
[10:18:36] justinh: aye well.. starting to figure out how to get outta here, and it involves going back to college
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[10:31:40] justinh: $828US to run mythtvtalk.com? I wouldn't bother
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[12:12:44] Merlina: test
[12:15:15] wagnerrp: fail
[12:15:18] janneg: test failed
[12:15:32] Merlina: :)
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[12:31:41] rileyp: lirc does not rspond to irxec commnds until mythtv closes
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[12:38:19] Guest12348: lirc does not respond to irexec commands until after I close mythtv
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[12:38:32] Guest12348: ell actually it receives the inputs but does not process them until I close mythtv
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[12:43:15] rileyp: lirc does not respond to irexec commands until after I close mythtv
[12:43:32] rileyp: well actually it receives the inputs but does not process them until I close mythtv
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[13:09:52] tank-man: rileyp, thats weird
[13:10:12] tank-man: what happens when you run 2 instances of myth-frontend?
[13:11:56] rileyp: I never do but I can try
[13:12:18] rileyp: It works sometimes but not always
[13:17:49] tank-man: so both instances of mythfronend receive input from your remote?
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[13:18:24] tank-man: did you create your own lirc conf file(s)?
[13:18:58] rileyp: not auto generated ones from mythbuntu
[13:19:36] rileyp: I have edited mythtv and created a irexec one as well
[13:20:07] rileyp: cant seem to get 2 instances running
[13:20:11] rileyp: hang on
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[13:23:24] tank-man: "not auto generated ones from mythbuntu", does this mean you edited them yourself? pastebin a copy of the lircrc file you made
[13:25:20] rileyp: i just tried opening mythfrntend from a terminal and it it waited until i closed the running instance
[13:27:44] rileyp: http://pastebin.com/6XpePp7s is my mythtv which is pretty much the auto generated one
[13:29:05] rileyp: http://pastebin.com/sYzHPSAW is my irexec one
[13:31:35] tank-man: so when mythfrontend is not running, those irexec commands work?
[13:32:30] rileyp: sometimes even when mythtv is running they work as they should
[13:33:09] tank-man: how are those config files loaded? I dont see a "include" line in either of those files that includes the other file
[13:33:17] rileyp: its not to do with resume or cold boot eith as it was working a second ago and now its not
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[13:34:07] rileyp: ther are 10 files in .lirc
[13:34:45] tank-man: so there is one main file that includes all those 9 other files?
[13:35:05] rileyp: xmame mythtv vlc mplayer elisa totem xmess etc
[13:36:17] rileyp: its the ~/.lirc folder
[13:42:12] rileyp: when myth isnt running all the irexec commands work a backlog of them actually start up after I close mythtv
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[14:14:26] BLZbubba: i just found one of these lying around: Hauppauge HVR-1800
[14:14:42] BLZbubba: how useful is it these days with mythtv? it claims to do atsc at least
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[14:21:17] BLZbubba: seems to be well supported, cool
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[14:24:29] justinh: not so much whether mythtv 'supports' it or not.. more about whether or not it works in linux!
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[14:31:13] devinheitmueller: BLZbubba: the analog on the 1800 has issues with MythTV.
[14:31:34] devinheitmueller: justinh: in this particular case, it works fine in Linux, just not with MythTV.  :-)
[14:31:43] justinh: heh
[14:32:00] justinh: well, it's generally the case that if it works in loonix... :-)
[14:32:12] devinheitmueller: I'm pretty sure it's a timing race related to stopping/starting the DMA between channel changes.
[14:32:20] devinheitmueller: ... but I haven't had any time to debug it.
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[14:45:31] BLZbubba: don't care about analog, just ATSC
[14:45:43] BLZbubba: and i guess FM would be kind of fun too
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[14:49:51] justinh: kinda fun? heh. fwiw mythtv doesn't support fm tuner user though
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[15:18:40] Shadow__X: hey kormoc_afk do you get timeouts in your denyhosts log from time to time
[15:19:22] Shadow__X: timeouts on syncing to the server to download new hosts to block that is
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[16:09:03] _banyan: Hey, I am having an issue with an F12-F13 upgrade from DVD, where the frontend crashes as soon as I attempt to play a recording (and presumably live TV would do the same). There was something that was required for it to work, some Qt package, that isn't actually listed as a requirement on the package and I can't seem to sort out what it is. Does this ring a bell?
[16:09:13] _banyan: (If it matters, the machine is x86_64)
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[16:11:27] johnnyj_: i'm confused – how is my nick in use if I registered it?
[16:11:59] _banyan: did your session just die for no good reason and have you re-logged in?
[16:12:14] johnnyj_: oh... it might have, several days ago
[16:12:16] _banyan: or maybe you're logged in somewhere else...
[16:12:24] johnnyj_: i disconnected my proxy and forgot to logout first
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[16:14:49] johnnyj_: i'm having problems with mythwebbrowser : (process:8201): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_clipboard_get_for_display: assertion `display != NULL' failed
[16:14:50] johnnyj_: Adobe Flash Player: gtk_clipboard_get(GDK_SELECTION_PRIMARY); failed. Trying to call gtk_init(0,0);
[16:14:52] johnnyj_: (<unknown>:8201): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_origin: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
[16:15:43] johnnyj_: and so im trying to determine what version of the Flash Plugin is best / required
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[17:22:08] Chromag9: so does everyone who uses MythTV pay the schedulesdirect $20/year fee for guide data?
[17:22:22] keith4: everyone? probably not
[17:23:15] Chromag9: how do they get guide data?
[17:24:51] jduggan: some providers give it away free, other providers broadcast it over the air
[17:25:53] tgm4883: it would be pretty difficult for all MythTV users to get guide data from schedulesdirect
[17:26:24] tgm4883: Many users would have to move to the US or Canada
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[17:29:01] keith4: some people scrape it from other services
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[17:36:52] Chromag9: by default how is MythTV setup to pull guide data?
[17:37:12] Chromag9: and sorry – I should have said "everyone in the US"
[17:37:22] Beirdo: by default, it doesn't pull data, it doesn't even know what you have installed
[17:37:29] tgm4883: it isn't?
[17:37:33] Beirdo: you need to set that up in mythtv-setup
[17:37:52] Beirdo: and if you are in the US, you basically have two choices
[17:37:57] tgm4883: yep
[17:38:00] tgm4883: SD and EIT?
[17:38:01] Beirdo: if you ONLY are using OTA HD, you can use EIT
[17:38:10] Beirdo: otherwise, you use Schedules Direct
[17:38:15] tgm4883: Beirdo, well, two supported methods
[17:38:48] Beirdo: any other methods are pretty much taboo, and will not be supported
[17:39:03] tgm4883: yep
[17:39:24] Beirdo: well, I guess there is a third (but useless) option... no guide data at all
[17:39:40] tgm4883: aka. dumb vcr mode
[17:39:45] Beirdo: yup
[17:39:58] tgm4883: in which case, you should buy a vcr
[17:40:04] Beirdo: hardly useful for a DVR's normal purpose, but there are good uses
[17:40:11] Beirdo: why buy a VCR?
[17:40:24] Beirdo: using a PVR250 works just as well :)
[17:40:33] Beirdo: and no tapes to rewind
[17:40:43] tgm4883: Beirdo, good uses? like if you need to record from the camera pointed in your neighbors window?
[17:40:55] tgm4883: I mean security camera
[17:40:58] skd5aner: does r25089 have a default key set to the keybinding?
[17:40:59] Beirdo: like if you are capturing FROM your VCR or camcorder
[17:41:08] Beirdo: think old home movies
[17:41:11] skd5aner: sorry r26089
[17:41:22] tgm4883: <Beirdo> think old "home movies" ;)
[17:41:42] Beirdo: tgm4883: we have mythzoneminder for security cams
[17:41:56] Beirdo: I don't wanna know what you point it at
[17:42:10] tgm4883: Beirdo, I like watching grass grow
[17:42:12] tgm4883: and paint dry
[17:42:25] skd5aner: now in HD!!!!!111!11!
[17:42:37] Beirdo: hehe
[17:42:59] tgm4883: HD is last year. 3D paint drying is where it's at
[17:43:10] Beirdo: oh please ;)
[17:43:41] kormoc: skd5aner, did you see my message last night?
[17:44:13] skd5aner: kormoc: no... sorry, my little plugin that alerts me if someone posts something is a bit flakey
[17:44:24] skd5aner: let me see if I can find it, know about what time it might have been?
[17:44:46] banyan_: Hey, I am having an issue with an x86_64 machine that I upgraded from F12 to F13 from DVD, and now the frontend crashes as soon as I attempt to play a recording (and presumably live TV would do the same). There was something that was required for it to work, some Qt package, that isn't actually listed as a requirement on the package and I can't seem to sort out what it is. Does this ring a bell?
[17:44:54] kormoc: skd5aner, no worries, just mentioned that if you wanted to run mythfilldatabase -v all --dd-grab-all &> file.log and email that to me, I can see better what's eating up your time
[17:45:02] skd5aner: [03 00:27] <+kormoc> skd5aner, if you're up for it, if you want to run mythfilldatabase -v all --dd-grab-all &> file.log and email it to me, might help tracking down your speed issues a bit more ?
[17:45:04] skd5aner: that it?
[17:45:13] kormoc: yup
[17:45:30] skd5aner: yea... I might have some time if you don't mind being a bit patient with me... a bit busy today
[17:45:35] kormoc: yeah, no rush
[17:47:29] Chromag9: ahhh – so schedulesdirect for US folks is the preferred method
[17:47:43] Beirdo: yes
[17:47:43] wagnerrp: yes
[17:47:49] Chromag9: $20 a year isn't bad anyways – I'll spend way more than that on hardware upgrades to get this thing running
[17:48:01] Beirdo: there's a good attitude :)
[17:48:07] tgm4883: I'd go SD, it's good data
[17:49:55] Chromag9: initially I'm thinking of trying it out without spending a ton of cash – i.e. just buying an nvidia 210 for tv out and a hauppauge HVR-1250 for OTA HD to start
[17:50:32] skd5aner: There's a trial period for SD
[17:50:52] wagnerrp: what kind of 'tv out'
[17:50:55] skd5aner: but honestly, $20 is well worth it
[17:51:08] wagnerrp: ive not seen any analog tv output on a GT card
[17:51:18] skd5aner: VGA :D
[17:51:56] ** skd5aner will pay a premium for a VDPAU card with component out which can do Advanced 2x **
[17:52:07] skd5aner: well, a small premium
[17:52:15] banyan_: What made zap2it stop letting people fetch listings?
[17:52:21] Chromag9: the 210 has HDMI out?
[17:52:44] kormoc: banyan_, too many commercial companies stopped paying for the service and used the free one
[17:53:02] banyan_: ah, nobody reads the terms of use on those things...
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[17:53:39] kormoc: banyan_, when you have to create hundreds of accounts to 'bypass' restrictions, it should point to you're doing something wrong
[17:53:52] kormoc: banyan_, and they send out warnings and the offenders ignored them
[17:54:15] Chromag9: I'm guessing the GeForce 210 w/ HDMI will work transmitting HD content to my Samsung HDTV
[17:54:29] banyan_: well, $20 a year and everybody's satisfied, this is a better situation most likely.
[17:54:32] kormoc: Chromag9, via a hdmi in?
[17:54:32] Chromag9: and it's only like $50 USD which is cheap
[17:54:42] Chromag9: ooo is it in or out?
[17:55:04] Chromag9: yeah it's out
[17:55:15] kormoc: Chromag9, I was referring to your tv there
[17:55:18] Chromag9: ohoh
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[17:55:24] kormoc: some folks get hdmi out cards without having tv's that support hdmi in
[17:55:35] kormoc: "I want to hook up this hdmi cable to coaxial"
[17:55:36] Chromag9: yeah I have a 56" Samsung DLP set
[17:55:44] Chromag9: it has 2 HDMI inputs
[17:55:53] skd5aner: can you buy a TV now without HDMI? I think even the crappy dynex TVs have an HDMI port
[17:55:55] kormoc: yeah, the only rough spot could be audio
[17:56:17] kormoc: skd5aner, they buy 'hdtv ready' monitors
[17:56:18] skd5aner: they sometimes limit the resolution or rates that can pass thru them, but...
[17:56:22] Chromag9: well I wouldn't need optical
[17:56:27] banyan_: I did something in that general vicinity of stupid myself — bought a laptop for a frontend without realizing that the only digital audio out was on the hdmi, which my preamp doesn't support.
[17:56:55] Chromag9: my stereo is old school pro-logic
[17:57:31] Chromag9: the motherboard has onboard audio.. I'm hoping I can just hook up a mic-jack to composite converter to the audio out port
[17:57:59] banyan_: I believe there are various little garage companies that make an hdmi-in to hdmi-video-out and spdif (or toslink) audio out.
[17:58:01] kormoc: should work fine
[17:58:14] banyan_: But I have no idea whether any of them are worth bothering with.
[17:58:17] kormoc: I use hdmi video with stereo cable audio just ifne
[17:58:18] kormoc: *fine
[17:58:47] banyan_: that is option b, just use the headphone jack.  :-p
[17:59:01] Chromag9: good to know – I was going to swing by CompUSA to see if they sell the 210 and Hauppauge 1250 but I'm not holding out hope
[17:59:11] Chromag9: I wanted to play with this during the 3-day weekend
[17:59:22] Chromag9: but I suspect I'll be ordering via Newegg and doing it next weekend
[17:59:25] wagnerrp: compusa? those dont exist anymore
[17:59:29] Chromag9: they do here
[17:59:34] wagnerrp: oh?
[17:59:36] Chromag9: they're part of TigerDirect
[18:00:18] wagnerrp: i wouldnt hold out hope of finding either of those products there
[18:00:32] wagnerrp: also, note that the 1250 is only good for digital reception, not analog
[18:01:00] Chromag9: well OTA is all digital nowadays right?
[18:01:14] wagnerrp: for the most part, yes
[18:01:56] Chromag9: it is here – I have a directional antennae in my attic and a line running down that plugs directly into my TV
[18:02:09] Chromag9: the HD quality looks awesome – I was surprised!
[18:02:11] Beirdo: OMG, can't people shut it about Apple alread?
[18:02:49] Beirdo: OTA's supposed to be all digital, or did I miss some exception?
[18:04:14] tgm4883: Beirdo, there is an exception for low power stations
[18:04:46] wagnerrp: low power and nighttime
[18:05:03] wagnerrp: weve still got one or two analog broadcasters in range around here
[18:06:55] Chromag9: I can get all my local channels plus a few others OTA in HD – enough for me to play around with MythTV to decide if I want to abandon my D*TV HDDVR and sink the "investment" into better equipment and a Hauppauge HD PVR
[18:07:35] Beirdo: ahhh
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[18:07:49] Beirdo: OK, I didn't realize they made such fun exceptions
[18:08:09] Chromag9: yeah if I find I don't like it over the HD DVR I've only lost out on a $50 video card and $50 capture card :)
[18:08:35] Chromag9: but I have a feeling I'll like MythTV – been looking into it for YEARS since way back when Freevo was the big thing
[18:08:57] wagnerrp: freevo was a bit thing?
[18:09:31] Chromag9: well it was to me – I don't know how many years ago that was
[18:09:38] Beirdo: apparently
[18:09:53] Chromag9: I've been using Tivo since around 1998 – so when I heard about an open source DVR I was blown away
[18:10:13] Beirdo: Tivo can eat me
[18:10:16] Chromag9: I still have my original Tivo and it STILL works
[18:10:27] Chromag9: I've been paying like $12 a month for .. what 12 years? wow
[18:10:44] Chromag9: should have bought the lifetime back then when it was only $99 :)
[18:10:48] wagnerrp: at some point, it becomes worthwhile to pony up for the unlimited subscription
[18:11:04] Chromag9: I know as soon as I do that unit will finally die
[18:11:14] Beirdo: and the lifetime ends :)
[18:11:16] Chromag9: yep
[18:11:24] wagnerrp: im amazed the hard drive is still going
[18:11:29] Chromag9: me too!
[18:11:37] wagnerrp: you have to pay that subscription per box?
[18:11:38] Chromag9: and it's still recording shows and doing it's thing
[18:11:42] Chromag9: yep
[18:11:45] wagnerrp: ouch
[18:11:46] Chromag9: and I have 2 Tivos
[18:11:56] Chromag9: I think it's $10/mo now or something
[18:11:58] Beirdo: and people complain about $20/yr for SD
[18:12:02] Chromag9: yep
[18:12:02] Beirdo: jeez
[18:12:23] Chromag9: yeah two Tivo's, a D*TV HD DVR, and a D*TV SD DVR
[18:12:37] Chromag9: I just read today that MythTV also supports multiple units playing video from a master!
[18:12:50] Chromag9: and the clients can be diskless workstations – I was blown away
[18:12:58] wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview
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[18:14:06] Chromag9: awesome info – I'll definitely read over that
[18:15:15] Chromag9: thanks again – I'm leaving work early today so I'm out
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[18:15:19] wagnerrp: in brief, mythtv is a client/server model
[18:15:28] wagnerrp: backend records content
[18:15:29] Chromag9: yeah I could replace the two tivos I'm paying for
[18:15:39] wagnerrp: multiple backends can be used to record more content
[18:15:48] wagnerrp: frontends connect over a network interface and playback content
[18:16:00] Chromag9: I'm guessing the client frontends don't need TV tuner cards and all that
[18:16:11] Chromag9: the backend handles all that – they just play the video
[18:16:12] wagnerrp: correct, the frontend is playback only
[18:16:27] Chromag9: can the frontend play live TV?
[18:16:33] banyan_: ya
[18:16:38] wagnerrp: technically, there is no 'livetv'
[18:16:44] Chromag9: well – you know what I mean
[18:16:47] J-e-f-f-A: What's "Live TV"? ;-) hehehehe
[18:16:55] wagnerrp: mythtv supports playback of a recording at a couple seconds behind live
[18:17:00] Chromag9: can it stream the "currently being recorded tv stream"
[18:17:05] wagnerrp: yes
[18:17:10] Chromag9: that's awesome
[18:17:24] Chromag9: how is it over wireless G?
[18:17:30] wagnerrp: poorly
[18:17:41] Chromag9: ahh I figured, how about N?
[18:17:51] Beirdo: I haven't had issues over G
[18:17:55] wagnerrp: standard definition is usually fine, digital is pushing it, from a pure bandwidth standpoint
[18:17:56] Beirdo: B, forget it
[18:18:02] wagnerrp: but the issue is reliability
[18:18:09] banyan_: Yeah, the wireless signal has to be pretty pristine too.
[18:18:09] wagnerrp: wireless connections /will/ drop
[18:18:20] Chromag9: yeah
[18:18:20] Beirdo: ah, yeah, it does get flaky with the collisions
[18:18:29] Chromag9: but I don't have wires running into all my rooms
[18:18:36] wagnerrp: and mythtv is not designed to have a large buffer, its not designed for unreliable networks
[18:18:37] Chromag9: well – ethernet
[18:18:45] Beirdo: wireless is essentially a half-duplex ethernet
[18:18:50] wagnerrp: Chromag9: do understand that wireless is broadcast
[18:18:59] wagnerrp: the bandwidth is shared among all connected devices
[18:19:03] Chromag9: yep
[18:19:13] Beirdo: it's like using an old 10Base-2 network :)
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[18:19:16] Chromag9: so running like 3–4 clients would saturate the bandwidth
[18:19:22] wagnerrp: you will not manage more than one HD client over wireless
[18:19:26] Chromag9: *saturate the network
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[18:19:35] Chromag9: well I only have one HDTV, so that's ok
[18:19:45] wagnerrp: and maybe 2 SD clients (not at the same time as that HD client)
[18:19:49] Chromag9: I have the big HDTV in the family room area and all the other TV's are SD
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[18:20:12] Chromag9: now does the backend server also act as a frontend?
[18:20:25] wagnerrp: it can, if you run a frontend on the backend server
[18:20:27] Beirdo: if you run both on the same machine :)
[18:20:29] Chromag9: so could the backend server be plugged into my main TV
[18:20:35] Chromag9: ahh gotcha
[18:20:35] Beirdo: yep
[18:20:51] Chromag9: because it wouldn't be hard for me to run a ethernet line into that room
[18:20:57] ** Beirdo gives commflagging the evil eye again **
[18:21:05] Beirdo: I need to speed this poor beast up
[18:21:09] Chromag9: hehe
[18:21:17] wagnerrp: you want your backend to be wired to as many tvs as possible
[18:21:23] Chromag9: yep
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[18:21:28] wagnerrp: if that is the one room which you think you cannot run wires, it should not house the backend
[18:21:45] Chromag9: nope – I can run a wire to that room
[18:22:02] wagnerrp: oh, "wouldn't"... misread
[18:22:03] Chromag9: the FIOS modem/router is in the room just above the family room
[18:22:44] Chromag9: I could most likely run a wire outside along the existing FIOS line and into that room
[18:23:27] Chromag9: or I could slip a D*TV installer 50 bucks to do it for me :)
[18:23:34] mag0o: don't forget, the backend has the potential to be loud
[18:23:40] Chromag9: oh?
[18:23:44] Chromag9: why would that be?
[18:23:50] banyan_: fans
[18:23:51] mag0o: fans, disks...etc
[18:23:56] Chromag9: well yeah
[18:24:04] Chromag9: it can't be as loud as my 360 in there
[18:24:08] Chromag9: that thing is awful
[18:24:32] banyan_: xbox?
[18:24:49] Chromag9: yeah I used to do Netflix streaming with the 360 and I could hear it over the sound of whatever movie I was watching
[18:25:00] banyan_: I didn't even think those had fans.
[18:25:12] mag0o: it was the code, screaming to get out
[18:25:13] Chromag9: I switched to streaming on the PS3 and it was so nice and quiet
[18:25:33] Chromag9: anyway Im headed out – thanks for all the info everyone
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[18:39:51] ** Beirdo feels British today... **
[18:40:01] Beirdo: havin a cup of tea instead of coffee!
[18:40:15] mag0o: and skipping the toothbrush?
[18:40:17] ** mag0o ducks **
[18:40:26] Beirdo: now now
[18:40:28] mag0o: hehe
[18:40:52] mag0o: I only give out what I can take
[18:41:28] Beirdo: can someone please go and trout the crap outta the people on the -users ML
[18:42:04] Beirdo: enough with the Apple vs. non-Apple... iMovie isn't part of MythTV... kdenlive... not part of MythTV...
[18:43:17] Shadow__X: honestly apple vs the world has gotten pretty rediculous people act like apple is hiring people to track random people and destroy their lives
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[18:43:27] Shadow__X: its a product you like you buy
[18:43:30] Shadow__X: if you no like no buy
[18:46:55] Beirdo: we should go to an Apple mailing list and start posting tonnes about MythTV
[18:47:17] Beirdo: yeah, the original post was on-topic... but boy did it ever leave...
[18:53:23] dustybin: is it a bad idea running mythtv backend as the root user?
[18:53:40] wagnerrp: its a bad idea to run anything as root that doesnt need it
[18:54:20] tgm4883: agree +1
[18:54:25] dustybin: this slackbuild installs mythtv as the root user
[18:54:26] dustybin: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/multi . . . v.SlackBuild
[18:54:31] dustybin: im not sure why
[18:55:44] dustybin: am i right in thinking that the init.d / rc.d script is responsible to what user something runs at?
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[18:56:16] tgm4883: protocol change bump a point release, database changes bump the full version right?
[18:56:31] wagnerrp: not necessarily
[18:56:48] tgm4883: oh?
[18:56:57] tgm4883: just responding on the users mailling list
[18:57:05] tgm4883: I thought that was the case?
[18:57:14] wagnerrp: either should require a point release to make it easier for packages
[18:57:28] wagnerrp: but proto and schema bumps mid-release should both rarely happen
[18:57:34] tgm4883: ah, so a db change could be 0.23.2 then
[18:59:04] dustybin: this is the rc.d script what is created with the slackbuild, what could i change to make mythtv run as mythtv user:
[18:59:08] dustybin: http://codepad.org/9TYUibxl
[18:59:44] dustybin: maybe i could steal a init.d from another distro
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[19:00:55] banyan_: Maybe this is completely infeasible but it "would be nice" if there was a tiny bit of tolerance for backend/frontend version differences.
[19:01:05] Beirdo: very tiny
[19:01:07] Beirdo: as in none
[19:01:07] wagnerrp: would be nice.. but no
[19:01:52] dustybin: i found the exact same script im using: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Slackware_init_mythbackend
[19:02:00] dustybin: its no good
[19:02:18] banyan_: It sounds conceptually like it wouldn't be that giant a deal but I know how those sorts of thing are, the reality of the details involved in really making it work is nightmarish sometimes.
[19:05:17] banyan_: Short of abandoning the mythfrontend for a web client to mythweb... which I have been using more, since I have a problem getting the frontend to not crash on playback...
[19:06:08] wagnerrp: if you have frontend instabilities, get a backtrace and post a ticket
[19:06:55] Beirdo: well, also check tickets to see if it hasn't been fixed in trunk too
[19:07:20] Beirdo: if you are running 0.23.1, etc, we may have fixed that problem since, and it may be going to go out in 0.24
[19:09:55] Beirdo: either way, silently stewing about it, and switching to a web client, etc, won't get the bugs fixed :) We aren't mind readers.
[19:10:51] banyan_: I'm running 0.23–8. I had to tweak something about reinstalling a Qt library to get my 386 frontend to go after an upgrade to f13. But I either haven't done the same reinstall on the frontend or there's an x86_64 issue that's different (but I don't think that's it because my laptop is 64 bit and the frontend works on it).
[19:11:24] banyan_: Yeah... backtrace huh? do I need to use a -debug version of the frontend to get that?
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[19:13:42] dustybin: any of you guys run archlinux or gentoo? would you mind if you pasted your rc.d mythbackend script, i think those might work on slackware
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[19:20:19] dustybin: --user username Drop permissions to username after starting
[19:27:56] dustybin: mythtv 19979 0.8 0.3 406600 13808 ? Ssl 20:27 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --user mythtv -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -v important,general -p /var/run/mythbackend.pid -d
[19:28:00] dustybin: :D
[19:31:15] skd5aner: kormoc: email address?
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[19:34:55] dustybin: what groups should a mythtv user be added to so it can read your tuner?
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[19:35:16] wagnerrp: the ones that own the tuner
[19:35:31] dustybin: i cannot seem to find it in /dev
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[19:35:53] wagnerrp: then it must not be recognized by the system
[19:36:15] dustybin: the tuner works ok
[19:36:39] skd5aner: Hey, can anyone send me kormoc's email address? I'm getting ready to head out the door and he wanted me to email him a log file
[19:36:54] dustybin: wagnerrp: i thought i need to add mytthvuser to plugdev or haldaemon ?
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[19:37:42] wagnerrp: this is a USB tuner?
[19:38:07] dustybin: Nova-T 500
[19:38:14] Beirdo: .msg skd5aner kormoc@gmail.com seems to be what he uses on the lists
[19:38:18] Beirdo: oh bah
[19:38:20] dustybin: wagnerrp: yes
[19:38:29] Beirdo: !trout
[19:38:29] ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **
[19:39:14] ** Beirdo decides it's time for a lobotomy. TGIF **
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[19:40:06] skd5aner: Beirdo: thx
[19:40:28] Beirdo: yer welcome. next time maybe I can find the / instead of the .
[19:41:24] skd5aner: :)
[19:41:46] skd5aner: this log is 187MB – for a single run of mythfilldatabase -v all --dd-update-all
[19:42:06] Beirdo: hope ya bziped or gziped or soemthing
[19:42:08] [R]: what... doe that include every mysql transaction?
[19:42:14] skd5aner: of course
[19:42:57] skd5aner: compressed it's 8MBs
[19:44:54] skd5aner: Have a great labor day weekend for the folks in the US
[19:45:05] Beirdo: it should be fun
[19:45:16] Beirdo: starting with a loud concert for me tonight
[19:45:34] skd5aner: I'm heading out – don't inundate me with a crap load of changes for the changelog over the next 3 days ;)
[19:45:42] Beirdo: hahah
[19:45:46] Beirdo: don't worry, we will
[19:45:51] skd5aner: actually – that's a good thing
[19:45:53] skd5aner: :)
[19:46:18] Beirdo: but first, Megadeth/Slayer/Testament
[19:46:20] skd5aner: kormoc: log file is on it's way... thanks
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[20:05:04] dustybin: KERNEL=="adapter[0–9]*", NAME="dev/adapter%n", SYMLINK+="adapter%n", GROUP="mythtv"
[20:05:08] dustybin: :D
[20:05:45] dustybin: time to reboot and test
[20:06:06] wagnerrp: why not just add the mythtv user to the proper group?
[20:07:05] dustybin: wagnerrp: the group is root:root
[20:07:17] dustybin: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 Sep 1 21:03 adapter0
[20:07:20] dustybin: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 Sep 1 21:03 adapter1
[20:07:53] dustybin: ^^^ that is inside /dev/dvb
[20:09:01] mag0o: dustybin: inside my /dev/dvb/adapter0 i have nodes that are root:video
[20:09:16] dustybin: im using slackware, we are less fortunate :D
[20:09:17] mag0o: on slackware 13.0
[20:09:27] dustybin: oh strange
[20:10:17] mag0o: those are directories you listed up there
[20:10:27] mag0o: what's it look like inside of adapter0 or adapter1
[20:10:38] dustybin: ohhhh
[20:11:04] dustybin: video!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:11:06] dustybin: im a idiot
[20:11:09] dustybin: its offical
[20:11:23] mag0o: :)
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[20:33:58] the-FoX: hello
[20:34:11] the-FoX: i need some help with audio cd playback :-( it stutters every 15secs
[20:34:23] the-FoX: maybe someone of you have any ideas?
[20:34:32] the-FoX: other players like mplayer works fine
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[20:56:31] bobgill: Is it possible to run mythfrontend from Virtualbox installed on win7 laptop?
[20:56:41] wagnerrp: yes, dont
[20:56:49] Beirdo: heh
[20:57:10] bobgill: hehe
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[21:09:40] banyan_: yeah, just use mythweb, it works pretty well.
[21:10:02] banyan_: or ditch the windows, lol
[21:11:11] wagnerrp: or use UPnP through windows media player
[21:11:20] wagnerrp: or run the frontend on windows natively
[21:11:46] wagnerrp: or use mythlink.pl to create human readable file names
[21:11:53] wagnerrp: or mythfs.py for the same result
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[21:17:15] Gumby`: hi all. I'm looking to get a SSD for mythtv box (currently both front and back ends on the same box). Right now I have 1 1TB HDD and a 2TB HDD in there. WHere is a SSD going to benefit me most (and where will it not benefit me at all)?
[21:17:49] wagnerrp: an SSD isnt really going to benefit you at all
[21:17:56] wagnerrp: youll get some improved boot times
[21:18:27] wagnerrp: but besides that, everything youre going to use frequently is pretty much going to stay cached in memory
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[21:19:57] Gumby`: I see
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[21:25:32] piper69: howdy folks
[21:25:36] piper69: can someone please take a look at my logs and tell me what is wrong...my mythbuntu keep freezing randomly http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/sRYrJdny
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[21:27:12] sphery: piper69: what do you mean by "mythbuntu keep freezing"? mythbackend, mythfrontend, the entire system?
[21:28:17] sphery: glancing at those logs, though, I'd suggest X is freezing due to problems with the video driver caused by the browser plugins you have installed
[21:28:23] piper69: entire sysytem
[21:28:43] sphery: you can't ssh to the system from another system?
[21:29:21] piper69: not when it at a freez state , to be honest i didn't try it
[21:29:23] sphery: if it is truly the entire system, it's not MythTV causing it--an application can't cause that; only low-level drivers/kernel issues can
[21:29:43] sphery: if it is just X, then I highly recommend disabling/uninstalling all of your browser plugins
[21:29:50] sphery: (got flash installed? that one is evil)
[21:30:20] piper69: am using fire fox, i think i installed it
[21:30:35] sphery: note that just disabling them in firefox won't help if you use any other browser--including MythBrowser (which is used by mythfrontend and MythNetvision and MythNews and ...)
[21:30:58] sphery: so the best way to make sure they're disabled is to uninstall them
[21:31:43] sphery: yeah, the only real error I see is Flash
[21:32:06] piper69: but then almost everything runs flash :)
[21:32:20] tgm4883: not according to a certain fruit company ;)
[21:32:26] kormoc: piper69, sphery doesn't run flash!
[21:32:30] sphery: this is the quandry for those of us who want a Free web
[21:32:38] sphery: and, yeah, I don't!  :)
[21:32:55] sphery: I have it available in a browser that I only run when I have to use Flash
[21:33:03] sphery: (i.e. for brain-dead web sites without HTML)
[21:33:15] kormoc: I make money porting sites from flash to html
[21:33:27] sphery: kormoc: I should send you a list of companies to go work for
[21:33:32] kormoc: hehe
[21:33:37] Beirdo: please do :)
[21:33:52] Beirdo: Flash must die a horrible death
[21:33:53] sphery: hard part is convincing them that their system is broken
[21:34:09] Beirdo: that's easy
[21:34:15] sphery: "See, right here? It's all fine. It looks beautiful. Maybe you just need to upgrade Internet Explorer."
[21:34:17] Beirdo: get their CEO using an iPhone
[21:34:22] kormoc: send email claiming to be a blind man and complain that their site doesn't work with your screen reader
[21:34:27] sphery: heh
[21:34:35] Beirdo: "hey, our site doesn't work on my new spiffy phone!"
[21:34:54] kormoc: threaten to tell the papers that they're refusing to work with the disabled!
[21:35:01] Beirdo: ooh
[21:35:11] Beirdo: kormoc: you truly out-evil me ;)
[21:35:27] ** kormoc shifty eyes **
[21:36:22] sphery: If only there were any possibility that Steve's quest could succeed
[21:36:32] sphery: unfortunately, since HTML5 doesn't lend itself to DRM, it can't
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[21:50:09] banyan_: I hate how sometimes a video will go full screen in flash and then other times it'll just blank out (or even freeze your browser). pththth.
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[21:51:00] Beirdo: sorry, your pr0n will stay in the small window
[21:51:17] justinh: Shadow__X: apple doesn't need to *hire* people as long as they have fanbois. I've recently been a victim of bile by people I know, who I thought ok til they showed their true colours last weekend
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[21:52:05] justinh: I get it, I really do. some people like the stuff they make. fine! But some loons take it to religious levels
[21:52:15] pyrotek: Hi is anyone familiar with mythtv upnp and how it displays video names?
[21:52:35] kormoc: justinh, huh? What did they do that was so crazy?
[21:52:50] justinh: maybe I should actually get in on it one day & see if they really do try to coerce folks into being evangelists
[21:53:24] Beirdo: I need to go to a MOM store...
[21:53:25] Beirdo: heh
[21:53:41] justinh: kormoc: I moaned a bit about flash playback on my laptop. somebody said in allcaps... GET A MAC.. I said "yeh, like macs are perfect or cheap"... and basically ww3 started
[21:53:58] kormoc: heh
[21:54:02] Beirdo: justinh: some people are stupid
[21:54:21] justinh: actually no, I said WHAT? A £900 laptop without a proper keyboard and only a 13" screen. Whoop dee doo
[21:54:27] kormoc: Funny enough, when I priced things out, I find the 2009 macs pretty reasonable
[21:54:58] justinh: yeh well you'll always find me at the cheapest end of the market.. the part where I buy something that'll just about do ;-)
[21:55:05] kormoc: heh, fair 'nuff
[21:55:13] kormoc: I like the features and design
[21:55:23] Beirdo: I still think justinh is lying to us and he's actually Scottish :)
[21:55:32] kormoc: and to get them outside of apple is fairly costly a lot of the time
[21:55:52] kormoc: (And I still say a mac mini is way better then a ion platform in price value)
[21:55:58] Beirdo: yeah, I like Apple's design, but not their propensity to lock everything to themselves
[21:56:28] justinh: fwiw I didn't have very high expectations of my acer laptop, but it's served me really very well for the last 2 years. The backlight goes a bit screwy – but then I've dropped it a couple of times.. nothing that taking the LCD bezel off & replacing it again didn't fix
[21:56:52] justinh: but I swear I am *never* gonna buy anything with integrated intel graphics again
[21:57:01] Beirdo: hehe
[21:57:08] Beirdo: it's OK for firewalls :)
[21:57:19] kormoc: nvidia, backlit keyboard, multi-touch track pad
[21:57:20] justinh: oh yeah, I thought I didn't really need 3D.. a reasonable assumption to make..
[21:57:40] justinh: because I don't.. but when video playback sucks so.. tearing etc.. blech
[21:58:14] kormoc: The power cable I do enjoy a lot too
[21:58:21] Beirdo: oh, kormoc, you might be interested to know... I fixed another query for the bot last night
[21:58:37] Beirdo: we had a select MIN(timestamp), MAX(timestamp)
[21:58:44] Beirdo: it took about 7s to run or os
[21:58:46] Beirdo: so...
[21:59:13] Beirdo: I changed it to two queries... select timestamp where blah order by timestamp asc limit 1
[21:59:17] Beirdo: and desc limit 1
[21:59:22] Beirdo: 0.5ms each
[21:59:24] Beirdo: boom, done
[21:59:49] Beirdo: dunno what we were smoking when we came up with that query
[22:00:05] kormoc: if timestamp was indexed, it'd be instant
[22:00:07] pyrotek: salvia?
[22:00:24] Beirdo: it was indexed, but the MIN() and MAX() aren't too bright, I guess
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[22:00:44] kormoc: it wasn't indexed in a way it could use it
[22:00:49] Beirdo: I guess not ;)
[22:00:52] kormoc: you have it as index (chanid, timestamp)
[22:01:01] kormoc: if you had a where chanid = x; it would be instant
[22:01:06] Beirdo: but I don't mind having it as two queries anyways
[22:01:06] kormoc: but without that, it's a table scan
[22:01:26] justinh: SO still gonna get a mac mini one day though.. oh yeahhhh
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[22:01:32] Beirdo: I got tired of reindexing a table with 7M rows :)
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[22:01:52] justinh: just as soon as hell free.. I mean the CRT TV dies & we get something with HDMI inputs ;-)
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[22:03:27] Beirdo: I find it amazing how many times I've seen the "Cleared parent's verbose lock" in my logs since I added that fix
[22:04:04] Beirdo: things would occasionally lock up there
[22:04:39] Beirdo: as the mutex was locked during the fork... and so the child waits for a mutex that is no longer really locked
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[22:11:06] k-man: whats the little script called that can rename recordings to readable names?
[22:11:27] wagnerrp: doesnt exist
[22:13:41] k-man: i think i found it, it used to be called mythrename, but now there is a new and improved mythlink
[22:14:59] Beirdo: it sounds so odd hearing music in stereo with the right channel being an echo of the left... with a slight delay
[22:15:11] Beirdo: sounds like standing in a large arena
[22:15:37] Beirdo: one ear hearing from the stage, the other ear hearing the echo off the back wall
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[22:16:51] Beirdo: makes a great test call audio though
[22:19:50] high-rez: I keep running into a bug in trunk where the backend becomes unresponsive to frontend requests. What's weird is /some stuff/ seems to work fine. While its unresponsive to frontend requests, it'll continue to do things like upnp scans and run mythfilldatabase...
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[23:15:15] Shadow__X: justinh: yeah i dont think anyone should religiously follow any company. What people fail to realize is that not everyone has to be using the same device or things from the same company some people just dont get it
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[23:22:16] tgm4883: Shadow__X, true story, any company can screw up big time. Except for Canonical :)
[23:22:44] tgm4883: whoa, just realized I'm responding to you on two differnet subjects in two different channels
[23:22:51] Shadow__X: yes
[23:22:55] Shadow__X: stalker
[23:23:02] tgm4883: heh
[23:23:05] tgm4883: /whois Shadow__X
[23:24:49] Shadow__X: yeah i mean people act as if apple is saying they are perfect and they can do no wrong i find myself remembering numerous times where steve jobs himself has said apple nor him are perfect and they make mistakes. People also get blindsided about costs when all actuality for what you are getting imo is a good fair price
[23:25:27] Shadow__X: the mac mini is great hardware and a good price its well built looks good and does its job
[23:25:53] Shadow__X: maybe we should just make a mac mini the official mythtv frontned
[23:26:02] Beirdo: !trout Shadow__X enough Apple
[23:26:02] ** MythLogBot slaps Shadow__X with a enough Apple trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[23:26:04] Beirdo: hehe
[23:26:18] Beirdo: I want... Pear
[23:26:21] Beirdo: no more Apple
[23:26:47] Shadow__X: uhuh sure
[23:27:21] wagnerrp: the problem with apple is that they are intentionally segregating the market
[23:27:28] Beirdo: I think all die-hard fanboys need to be reminded about the Newton
[23:27:35] Beirdo: as often as possible
[23:27:46] Beirdo: Even apple messes up :)
[23:27:53] Shadow__X: Beirdo: yes but i love the 80s commercial of the ai powered apple device
[23:28:01] Shadow__X: i cant remember the name
[23:28:11] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: what do you mean
[23:28:44] wagnerrp: they are working hard to make their devices not cross-compatible
[23:29:11] bjd: talking of apple, a cool concept http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTy2PxfpDvQ
[23:29:24] Shadow__X: by not allowing adobe cross compiler right?
[23:29:33] wagnerrp: everything about iOS makes sure that only software written specifically for, and authorized by apple gets passed
[23:29:44] wagnerrp: not just adobe's compiler
[23:29:51] kormoc: Beirdo, people *love* the newton
[23:29:52] wagnerrp: its all sorts of libraries and toolkits
[23:30:06] Beirdo: and whoever came up with the name "iPad" needs to be around women more
[23:30:08] wagnerrp: that are intended to make things easier for software to exist on multiple platforms
[23:31:08] [R]: Beirdo: http://twitpic.com/102ufb
[23:31:18] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: right i can see that. Is the argument that it was done to improve speed and reliability not the most accurate
[23:32:27] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: thats a bunch of crap
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[23:32:39] Beirdo: yay... coming up on 1 year that I've had my iPhone
[23:33:02] wagnerrp: you can produce awful libraries and toolkits, you can create great ones
[23:33:11] wagnerrp: theres no reason to arbitrary disallow everything
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[23:33:23] Beirdo: sure there is
[23:33:26] wagnerrp: unless you specifically want to make cross-development harder
[23:33:31] Beirdo: to be evil and controlling :)
[23:33:33] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: i gotcha
[23:36:27] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: by any chance have you used flash on an android device
[23:36:55] Beirdo: flush flash. :)
[23:37:07] wagnerrp: ive got no love for flash, i wont defend it
[23:37:47] wagnerrp: but flash is a scripting language\
[23:37:53] wagnerrp: it will be slow by its very nature
[23:38:11] Shadow__X: ok so your just commenting on purposely making cross dev harder?
[23:38:16] Shadow__X: thats fair i can understand that
[23:38:30] wagnerrp: you cannot denounce all toolkits just because it once interpreter sucks
[23:38:37] wagnerrp: s/once/one/
[23:38:57] Shadow__X: right
[23:39:13] wagnerrp: its like the difference between perl/python, and compiled C
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[23:39:18] wagnerrp: the C will always be vastly faster
[23:40:05] Beirdo: and most likely better on memory (but not necessarily)
[23:40:37] wagnerrp: well certainly if coded properly
[23:40:43] Beirdo: yup
[23:40:47] wagnerrp: since perl and python interpreters are both programmed in C
[23:40:53] Beirdo: heh
[23:40:55] Beirdo: true
[23:41:01] [R]: Beirdo: i think i've come up with a way to make the baackend know about streaming upnp...
[23:41:20] Beirdo: cool
[23:41:28] ** Beirdo starts packing up **
[23:41:39] wagnerrp: know about streaming upnp?
[23:41:44] Beirdo: I got a mind-numbingly loud concert to go to
[23:42:00] wagnerrp: cryptic...
[23:42:03] [R]: wagnerrp: when no frontends are connected to the backend, its idle and shuts down... but if a upnp client is treaming from it... its not idle, but thinks it is
[23:42:21] wagnerrp: ah
[23:42:56] wagnerrp: are you talking about recordings or video?
[23:43:15] [R]: both
[23:43:18] [R]: upnp is upnp
[23:43:50] wagnerrp: yes, but recordings should be opened through certain classes that should prevent a shutdown
[23:44:10] [R]: the backend only knows idle based on playback and filetransfer sockets
[23:44:46] [R]: (aside from running jobs and recording)
[23:45:04] Beirdo: we'd have to put in a state machine of sorts
[23:45:23] Beirdo: anyways... Slayer + Megadeth + Testament
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[23:45:34] Beirdo: hope I can hear when I get home tonight :)
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[23:46:43] spinull1: can anyone help me fine tune my playback settings, im running a pvrusb2 with
[23:46:52] spinull1: a radeon express 200m
[23:47:13] wagnerrp: use the 'slim' profile
[23:48:39] spinull1: it didn't like that, won't playback now
[23:49:00] bjd: slim should work :/
[23:49:22] bjd: what cpu do you have?
[23:49:36] wagnerrp: surely something capable of SD mpeg2
[23:49:51] bjd: yeah
[23:50:34] spinull1: model name : AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-34
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[23:52:29] spinull1: let me try it again, maybe thats not what caused it to crash
[23:53:31] spinull1: well, it played back, but still real choppy
[23:53:52] kormoc: wifi
[23:54:13] spinull1: wired in
[23:54:25] spinull1: but this is both the front-end and the backend
[23:54:30] spinull1: so that shouldn't matter
[23:54:55] kormoc: check the logs/output?
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[23:57:17] spinull1: http://pastebin.com/1Lmqwq0w
[23:57:21] spinull1: theres the FE log
[23:58:11] spinull1: it doesn't look pretty

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