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| [00:00:16] | spinull: | http://www.pastebin.com/G39uhdbp |
| [00:00:19] | spinull: | there is my backend log |
| [00:00:24] | phil_42: | but what they do was not really obvious |
| [00:00:40] | phil_42: | without reading them through in the docs |
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| [00:01:18] | phil_42: | so my idea was quite simple, let users see and alter queries based upon their chosen episode or whatever |
| [00:01:36] | phil_42: | 2 improvements there: transparency |
| [00:01:43] | phil_42: | and instant altering |
| [00:02:14] | phil_42: | as a plus, you could define rules which are not hardcoded |
| [00:02:23] | iamlindoro: | phil_42, you want to let the users modify SQL queries in any recording rule? |
| [00:02:37] | phil_42: | no, but a UI for doing it is simple |
| [00:02:52] | phil_42: | 1. channel (any, 1, 2, 3) |
| [00:03:01] | phil_42: | 2. time (any, ...) |
| [00:03:09] | iamlindoro: | well, you said see and alter queries, what queries are you referring to? |
| [00:03:15] | iamlindoro: | since custom rules are SQL |
| [00:03:20] | phil_42: | 3. (daily, weekly, ..) |
| [00:04:17] | phil_42: | i am referring the queries used in the dialogue presented by the scheduler from the guide |
| [00:04:40] | iamlindoro: | I don't think that adding that level of complexity to basic recording rules is likely to get a lot of support |
| [00:04:45] | phil_42: | you can transperently show them to the user by a simple thing like time: any |
| [00:04:45] | iamlindoro: | that's why we have a custom recording editor |
| [00:04:55] | iamlindoro: | if you want to write "power" queries, it's to be done there |
| [00:05:09] | phil_42: | the custom editor has serious limitations |
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| [00:06:06] | iamlindoro: | I suggest improving those, then-- the basic recording rules editor is way too complicated as it is-- adding more confusion to it isn't likely to be acceptable |
| [00:06:57] | iamlindoro: | or, if you think I am misunderstanding, how about doing up a mockup? |
| [00:07:04] | iamlindoro: | Then it would be easy to visualize |
| [00:07:04] | phil_42: | you already present the user with a LOT recording options in the guide scheduler, but time, repetition, channel and episode dealing are 4 options, if you provide the user with every option of that 4 it makes 4*3*2*1 options which is not transparent |
| [00:07:42] | iamlindoro: | channel is only relevant to "this channel" recording rules, which are one of many types, and probably the type that people should never use |
| [00:08:21] | phil_42: | i don't discuss what is used or not, as it is right now it is by no means intuitive |
| [00:08:44] | iamlindoro: | and don't apply to all the other rule types, since the scheduler will schedule things on many channels and can't promise what will be presented-- moreover, we can't "preview" what will be recorded without running the scheduler, which is an expensive task that we can't run over and over as rules change |
| [00:09:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm telling you that you can't just display those things, as they are not relevant to some rules, and not accurate when displayed in the context of others |
| [00:09:42] | phil_42: | making the rules transparent to the user by simply showing Title=%... as Title = (any, ....) is improving transparency as well as modularity |
| [00:09:47] | iamlindoro: | again, though, if you think I misunderstand, you should do up a visual mockup |
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| [00:10:21] | iamlindoro: | then we can see what you are talking about-- as it is right now it sounds like an interface nightmare... but I may be misunderstanding, in which case I again urge you to *show us* |
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| [00:10:46] | phil_42: | a visual mockup is something else than a complete patch |
| [00:10:58] | phil_42: | so this is something i can think about |
| [00:12:30] | phil_42: | in UI terms, think about add/delete a line containing (channel = current / all / ...) |
| [00:12:33] | phil_42: | or time = |
| [00:12:41] | phil_42: | or repeat = |
| [00:12:55] | phil_42: | prefilled from the current schedule |
| [00:13:07] | iamlindoro: | Sorry, that just doesn't sound any more intuitive. I/we will need to see what you mean |
| [00:13:12] | phil_42: | not schedule, i meant program |
| [00:13:22] | iamlindoro: | That actually sounds pretty awful for my grandmother to have to look at, frankly |
| [00:14:13] | phil_42: | well, if you think this is awful, what do you think about 8 different recording types of which none but "only this" and "only once" is producing anything you really would want to have |
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| [00:14:43] | phil_42: | and adding a "but only for this channel" or "this thing but any time" just is not possible |
| [00:14:55] | iamlindoro: | that's not true at all |
| [00:15:00] | phil_42: | the custom recordings are too specific |
| [00:15:06] | iamlindoro: | "this thing but any time" = "any time on any channel" |
| [00:15:08] | spinulll: | http://pastebin.com/G39uhdbp |
| [00:15:35] | phil_42: | there are combinations you did not think of iamlindoro |
| [00:15:42] | iamlindoro: | phil_42, such as? |
| [00:15:48] | spinulll: | http://pastebin.com/E46icimC |
| [00:15:57] | phil_42: | ok, gimme a sec |
| [00:16:22] | spinull: | iamlindoro: there are both logs |
| [00:16:34] | iamlindoro: | spinull, it tells you in plain english what you haven't done, in the backend log |
| [00:17:05] | iamlindoro: | "Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles." |
| [00:17:24] | phil_42: | record in this time slot on this channel |
| [00:17:26] | phil_42: | i.e. |
| [00:17:31] | phil_42: | is not available |
| [00:17:40] | phil_42: | for every day |
| [00:18:18] | phil_42: | record in this time slot every day is missing the channel |
| [00:18:48] | iamlindoro: | phil_42, And if you want to be that specific, you need to use a custom rule |
| [00:18:49] | phil_42: | record any time on the channel is missing the "just one of them" if there are multiple |
| [00:19:05] | phil_42: | but then, i have to define it just for the channel |
| [00:19:09] | iamlindoro: | we don't *want* to add more types, especially as specific rule types like that give the scheduler nothing to work with |
| [00:19:16] | phil_42: | i want to have a rule like "for the channel i selected" |
| [00:19:17] | iamlindoro: | then you might as well just manually record |
| [00:19:25] | phil_42: | and use it on every channel i want |
| [00:19:27] | iamlindoro: | yes, use a custom rec rule |
| [00:19:57] | phil_42: | and write down begin times, end times, thats just in front of your nose, but not used |
| [00:19:59] | iamlindoro: | where's sphery when I need him to explain that we shouldn't think we're smarter than the scheduler |
| [00:21:18] | phil_42: | what i think of as solution is not offer 9 record options but 1 mask with add/delete channel LIKE ... time LIKE ... |
| [00:21:36] | phil_42: | those are easy to visualise, easy to understand |
| [00:21:46] | phil_42: | and easy to translate into sql |
| [00:21:51] | iamlindoro: | So use those ideas to improve the custom rul editor |
| [00:21:58] | iamlindoro: | NOT the regular recording rules editor |
| [00:22:22] | iamlindoro: | my grandmother would have a stroke trying to understand what you're talking about. She understands "record at any time on this channel" perfectly |
| [00:23:18] | phil_42: | if you present the present options in a dialogue where 1.) change time 2.) change channel 3.) ... is presented as well |
| [00:23:49] | iamlindoro: | then those would make a good custom rule screen |
| [00:23:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:23:51] | phil_42: | you can instantly do a custom record AND have it as a new rule to apply to any other record |
| [00:23:54] | iamlindoro: | but NOT a good default rule screen |
| [00:24:07] | Beirdo: | the BUQ will be the VBSUQ... |
| [00:24:18] | Beirdo: | very-big, super-ugly query |
| [00:24:35] | phil_42: | hey Beirdo |
| [00:24:59] | phil_42: | just a bunch of abc=dba AND lskdj=sldkjf AND lskdjf=lskdjf with some LIKE instead of = |
| [00:25:06] | phil_42: | theres nothing about it |
| [00:25:26] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
| [00:25:52] | Beirdo: | I think messing with the scheduler is a far more involved task than you may be envisioning |
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| [00:26:21] | phil_42: | i think you don't know that i did a good couple of db applications for the government |
| [00:26:47] | Beirdo: | I think I don't particularly care either :) |
| [00:27:04] | phil_42: | then i think you can spare your previous thought |
| [00:27:05] | Beirdo: | anyways, patches or at least mockups would be pretty much a necessity here |
| [00:27:19] | phil_42: | yeh i agree |
| [00:27:53] | Beirdo: | but be aware, we are trying NOT to add more settings just for the sake of settings |
| [00:28:08] | Beirdo: | we are trying to make it more streamlined, not more complex |
| [00:28:09] | phil_42: | yes, thats why i came up with it |
| [00:28:30] | phil_42: | digging into an app for the first time makes you see lots of thinks which are counter intuitive |
| [00:28:37] | phil_42: | and the scheduler is one of them |
| [00:28:45] | phil_42: | at least the recording options |
| [00:28:49] | iamlindoro: | and this doesn't sound more streamlined, this sounds quite a bit more complicated |
| [00:29:06] | Beirdo: | and once you get into it more, you find why it's the way it is, and realize that your changes may not actually fit the bill |
| [00:29:55] | phil_42: | well, if it can be done you would not have to toggle between 9 different settings but have to add/delete lines instead which instantly show you what you get |
| [00:30:20] | Beirdo: | but by all means, if you think you have a way to make things better, it can be submitted for the perusal of those who know the system inside and out. |
| [00:31:14] | phil_42: | in my experience, people who know things inside out are mostly not capable anymore to see it like they saw it on the first day |
| [00:31:27] | phil_42: | which is something which counts strongly into user experience |
| [00:31:40] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [00:31:46] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
| [00:31:53] | Beirdo: | I would hazard a guess that the majority of users simply say "I want all episodes of this show that I have not already recorded" |
| [00:31:57] | Beirdo: | which is dead easy |
| [00:31:58] | totalanni: | if i take this 950q back |
| [00:32:13] | totalanni: | an hvr-1950 is what i want correct? |
| [00:32:24] | totalanni: | does both analog and digi cable? |
| [00:32:26] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use analog with mythtv, and need to use USB |
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| [00:32:47] | totalanni: | are there any downsides to using usb tbh? |
| [00:33:06] | wagnerrp: | you have a big external tuner |
| [00:33:10] | wagnerrp: | youre using usb |
| [00:33:18] | wagnerrp: | ... thats about it |
| [00:33:20] | totalanni: | ok |
| [00:33:27] | totalanni: | performance wise thou |
| [00:33:45] | totalanni: | tbh, i sorta like the external look of the 1950 |
| [00:33:55] | totalanni: | and how i can plug in composite and whatnot |
| [00:34:02] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHA |
| [00:34:12] | totalanni: | ? |
| [00:34:25] | totalanni: | errr |
| [00:34:41] | wagnerrp: | the daily mythbuntu autobuild hit at 6:03am GMT yesterday morning |
| [00:34:56] | totalanni: | but performance wise, the 1950 will be good...correct? |
| [00:35:10] | wagnerrp: | right in the two minute gap between when Captain_Murdoch bumped the schema, and when he updated mythweb to match |
| [00:35:39] | wagnerrp: | s/schema/protocol/ |
| [00:35:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | dohhh!! |
| [00:36:02] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: need to be quicker next time... :) |
| [00:36:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | next time I'll hit enter in both windows at the same time. with 2 keyboards even. |
| [00:36:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | use clusterssh or something like that. |
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| [00:36:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:36:46] | Beirdo: | what luck |
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| [00:39:40] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [00:39:54] | wagnerrp: | the bump was at 25858, hes at 25878 |
| [00:40:09] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: so no performance loss with usb2? |
| [00:40:39] | wagnerrp: | sure, if youve got ten tuners, or external USB hard drives, youre going to run into issues |
| [00:40:48] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [00:40:58] | totalanni: | i just wanna make sure |
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| [00:41:03] | totalanni: | cause this is a local craigslist buy |
| [00:41:15] | totalanni: | and its not like i can take it back to bestbuy like i can this 950Q |
| [00:41:33] | totalanni: | and if i read right, its a hardware encoder as well...correct? |
| [00:41:41] | wagnerrp: | the 1950 is, correct |
| [00:41:49] | totalanni: | thanks for your help once again |
| [00:41:59] | totalanni: | hopefully i can get this thing up and going and quit buggin u guys :) |
| [00:43:20] | spinull: | iamlindoro: im still not having much luck with this |
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| [00:52:04] | spinull: | i think one of my cards is bad, i just installed tvtime and it works with /dev/video1 , not /dev/video0 |
| [00:52:54] | wagnerrp: | spinull: to be blunt, neither of those cards should be used for analog anyway |
| [00:54:29] | spinull: | how do you mean, my goal is to get my cable service working through mythtv |
| [00:54:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, you have pchdtv cards, those should not be used for analog in mythtv |
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| [00:57:06] | spinull: | well, i want the digital channels as well |
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| [00:57:26] | wagnerrp: | those cards are fine for digital |
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| [00:57:59] | spinull: | i thought all the cable companies were switching to digital |
| [00:58:18] | wagnerrp: | they are |
| [00:58:31] | wagnerrp: | and that card will only be able to record what they transmit unencrypted |
| [00:58:41] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [00:58:43] | spinull: | unless i have a cablebox right |
| [00:58:55] | wagnerrp: | correct, and those cards should not be use for capture off a cable box |
| [00:59:28] | spinull: | son of a b |
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| [01:02:36] | spinull: | so, i can get the unencrypted digital channels that my cable company provides without the cable box using this card, and the ota hd channels, but thats it? |
| [01:04:12] | spinull: | which are probably the same thing |
| [01:14:03] | Beirdo: | Well, my head has finally gotten down to a dullish roar, which means I'm gonna go eat dinner |
| [01:14:12] | Beirdo: | I can't be bothered to try to cook. |
| [01:14:24] | Beirdo: | back in a while |
| [01:18:40] | jamesd__: | why coook when you can order pizza hut on line... dinner is just 5 cliicks away |
| [01:19:56] | kormoc: | he wants to live to release 0.25? |
| [01:20:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, who does? :) |
| [01:21:17] | iamlindoro: | oh, pizza vom |
| [01:21:37] | iamlindoro: | !trout iamlindoro context |
| [01:21:37] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a context trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [01:22:03] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [01:22:06] | spinull: | iamlindoro: did i understand that correctly |
| [01:22:19] | iamlindoro: | spinull, what, that you will only get OTA and unencrypted? Yes |
| [01:22:28] | devicenull: | has anyone gotten lirc working with debian? It seems one of their recent updates has made the configuring for it quite annoying |
| [01:22:37] | spinull: | how do i get the channels im paying for? |
| [01:22:45] | devicenull: | it's not longer configured by default with aptitude install lirc, and i'm unsure of what further configuration I need ot do |
| [01:22:46] | spinull: | digitally |
| [01:22:52] | iamlindoro: | spinull, you don't, digitally |
| [01:22:59] | spinull: | aw man |
| [01:23:00] | iamlindoro: | you can buy an HD-PVR and capture the output of a box in HD |
| [01:23:10] | kormoc: | HD-PVR++ |
| [01:23:16] | iamlindoro: | it'll be HD and pretty darn close to max quality |
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| [01:23:55] | spinull: | otherwise im stuck with analog through the cablebox, which i shouldn't use these cards for |
| [01:24:07] | totalanni: | heh |
| [01:24:14] | totalanni: | sounds like we had the same issue |
| [01:24:16] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [01:24:21] | spinull: | im having trouble accepting my fate |
| [01:24:28] | totalanni: | all digi qam and no analog |
| [01:24:38] | kormoc: | Welcome to American, the land of the Free, home to the brave |
| [01:24:44] | ** totalanni spits on the hvr-950Q ** | |
| [01:24:59] | spinull: | anyone want to buy some 5500's? |
| [01:25:03] | kormoc: | *Free only applies to major special interest groups |
| [01:25:12] | totalanni: | heh |
| [01:25:48] | spinull: | will mythtv ever support cablecard? |
| [01:25:57] | spinull: | i'll donate $$$ to that |
| [01:26:01] | kormoc: | spinull, it's not really upto us |
| [01:26:23] | kormoc: | there's cable card devices being developed, but it's still up to the broadcaster to allow us to get the streams |
| [01:26:36] | kormoc: | and that's likely gonna be rare |
| [01:28:36] | spinull: | i see |
| [01:29:04] | totalanni: | the whole skywalker/cardshare caught my interest |
| [01:29:05] | wagnerrp: | spinull: cablecard is a DRM scheme which we will never be authorized to use |
| [01:29:15] | spinull: | suck |
| [01:29:25] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can only use devices which output unencrypted content directly |
| [01:29:32] | spinull: | well, in any case, can you help me determine if i have a bad card here |
| [01:29:39] | spinull: | im not getting anything out of /dev/video0 |
| [01:29:52] | spinull: | but /dev/video1 works fine |
| [01:30:06] | wagnerrp: | which means unencrypted broadcasts, tuner card with hardware CAMs, or cablecard devices with content marked 'copy freely' such that it is output unencrypted |
| [01:30:10] | kormoc: | shutdown, swap cards, make sure the failure follows the card and not the port |
| [01:30:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has support for the HDHR Prime for the latter scenario when that device is brought to market |
| [01:30:45] | totalanni: | new hdhr product? eh? |
| [01:31:00] | wagnerrp: | triple tuner with cablecard |
| [01:31:14] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv will only be able to capture content marked 'copy freely' |
| [01:31:28] | wagnerrp: | which means the cablecard tuner is allowed to pass it out unencrypted |
| [01:31:29] | totalanni: | but is a cable co really gonna auth a cable box that doesnt belong to them...or card? |
| [01:31:49] | wagnerrp: | they have to, its required by fcc mandate |
| [01:32:05] | kormoc: | and they already do with windows MCE |
| [01:32:19] | totalanni: | i called my cable co |
| [01:32:25] | totalanni: | and told them i bought my own cable box |
| [01:32:31] | totalanni: | they told me to fux off |
| [01:32:37] | wagnerrp: | then call the FCC |
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| [01:32:48] | totalanni: | they would not authorize it due to piracy |
| [01:32:53] | wagnerrp: | thats illegal |
| [01:33:03] | totalanni: | orly? |
| [01:33:04] | kormoc: | talk to the FCC and sue them? |
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| [01:33:17] | kormoc: | totalanni, read the FCC docs yourself if you don't believe us |
| [01:33:25] | totalanni: | im not questioning you |
| [01:33:32] | spinull: | believe them, i checked into it once myself |
| [01:33:39] | wagnerrp: | if you have a licensed, cablecard supported device, they have no authority to deny you the use of a cablecard |
| [01:34:00] | totalanni: | ic |
| [01:34:08] | kormoc: | if your cable box *isn't* a cablecard cablebox, then they're not required to allow you to use it |
| [01:34:26] | totalanni: | ic |
| [01:34:31] | totalanni: | it wasnt a card type |
| [01:34:39] | totalanni: | there is where i was confused... |
| [01:34:48] | totalanni: | sorry for making that unclear |
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| [01:57:00] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [01:57:04] | mattwj2002: | I need an opinion |
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| [01:57:34] | mattwj2002: | would this make a good frontend? |
| [01:57:36] | mattwj2002: | http://amzn.com/B002MUYKMA |
| [01:58:00] | wagnerrp: | as much as any other atom |
| [01:58:04] | ** wagnerrp prods sphery ** | |
| [01:58:22] | wagnerrp: | ION rather |
| [01:58:22] | sphery: | I'm awake! |
| [01:58:30] | mattwj2002: | I mean for an atom it is pretty good |
| [01:58:43] | wagnerrp: | for an ION, its the same as every other ION |
| [01:58:58] | sphery: | mattwj2002: My opinion/manifesto: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 |
| [01:59:05] | iamlindoro: | ION fighters... ASSEMMMMBLLLLLEEEE! |
| [01:59:35] | wagnerrp: | IONs work well enough if you have content that can be played back with VDPAU |
| [01:59:36] | sphery: | in short, get a real processor with some overhead instead of the minimum possible configuration that works for some stuff |
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| [02:00:16] | wagnerrp: | but if you have other content, or damaged recordings, or want to run source, or want to do anything requiring a significant amount of processor |
| [02:00:19] | wagnerrp: | an Atom isnt for you |
| [02:00:59] | mattwj2002: | well I was buying it for cost savings |
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| [02:01:13] | mattwj2002: | maybe I could just buy a dual core or something |
| [02:01:16] | mattwj2002: | instead |
| [02:01:17] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [02:01:35] | sphery: | yeah, for that price, you could get a nice Core 2 Duo and mobo |
| [02:01:40] | mattwj2002: | what do you think wagnerrp you are the expert? |
| [02:01:46] | sphery: | Atom is actually more expensive than "desktop" parts |
| [02:01:53] | mattwj2002: | <- AMD guy :P |
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| [02:02:09] | sphery: | I do recommend going low-TDP for the processor |
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| [02:02:13] | wagnerrp: | for that price you could get a nice AMD X2 and mobo |
| [02:02:23] | sphery: | and AMD Athlon II X2 would work great |
| [02:02:31] | sphery: | just aim for an nvidia GPU |
| [02:03:20] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [02:03:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: When newegg changed there site, I was OK with it because their search was still easy to access. Now, they made search annoying to access. |
| [02:03:54] | sphery: | I hate the change |
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| [02:06:43] | mattwj2002: | :O |
| [02:06:54] | mattwj2002: | I might even be able to afford quad core! |
| [02:06:54] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:07:27] | sphery: | you may be better off with dual-core at higher frequency |
| [02:08:07] | totalanni: | hum |
| [02:08:12] | totalanni: | might i suggest an i7 :-D |
| [02:08:13] | sphery: | and I highly recommend--especially if you're not going to shut this system down when not in use--going for low-TDP rather than extreme performance |
| [02:08:32] | sphery: | i.e. I wouldn't touch anything > 65W TDP |
| [02:09:19] | mattwj2002: | i7 is that something new by AMD? otherwise I don't think that really exist ;) |
| [02:09:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, the one good thing about newegg's new search is you can select multiple items from a single criterion |
| [02:09:53] | wagnerrp: | that is nice |
| [02:10:13] | mattwj2002: | okay just for the heck of it |
| [02:10:17] | totalanni: | i7 = intel's new high end desktop |
| [02:10:19] | mattwj2002: | I'll check out Intel |
| [02:10:21] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:10:22] | sphery: | but it's annoying to have to go to a whole page of checkboxes to get to the search |
| [02:10:34] | totalanni: | intel > amd |
| [02:10:36] | sphery: | i7 = lots of money, too :) |
| [02:10:36] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [02:10:39] | totalanni: | yae |
| [02:10:41] | totalanni: | tons |
| [02:10:45] | sphery: | intel cost > amd cost :) |
| [02:10:53] | mattwj2002: | yeah price is a big concern |
| [02:10:54] | totalanni: | u get what u pay for |
| [02:11:04] | mattwj2002: | they make an i3 right? |
| [02:11:07] | totalanni: | yes |
| [02:11:10] | totalanni: | and they are great |
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| [02:11:20] | sphery: | only up to a point, then you're paying for marketing/bragging rights |
| [02:11:36] | totalanni: | ^why i bought my i7 |
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| [02:11:49] | sphery: | it is a nice chip |
| [02:11:57] | totalanni: | sucks i bought a mobo that doesnt support vt-d |
| [02:12:00] | totalanni: | thou |
| [02:12:04] | sphery: | but more than I"m willing to pay for something that will become outdated way too fast |
| [02:12:39] | totalanni: | sphery: your either buying upto date that will be become outdated...or your alraedy buying outdated |
| [02:12:46] | totalanni: | meh |
| [02:12:54] | totalanni: | i only buy a computer every few years |
| [02:12:58] | mattwj2002: | yeah i3 are too expensive |
| [02:12:59] | totalanni: | might as well get top shelf |
| [02:13:02] | sphery: | yeah, I buy outdated |
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| [02:13:16] | sphery: | but I can buy 3 outdated systems for the cost of 1 up-to-date system |
| [02:13:30] | totalanni: | eh |
| [02:13:42] | totalanni: | more doesnt mean better |
| [02:13:53] | sphery: | so I can upgrade 3x as often and my 3rd system is more up-to-date than the up-to-date when I bought my first system :) |
| [02:14:12] | totalanni: | O_o |
| [02:14:13] | sphery: | that said, I don't upgrade that often |
| [02:14:16] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [02:14:18] | totalanni: | lol |
| [02:14:22] | totalanni: | me either |
| [02:14:23] | mattwj2002: | Intel is not in my price range |
| [02:14:28] | totalanni: | i buy...pieces |
| [02:14:30] | sphery: | In truth, there are few reasons to upgrade hardware, anymore--it's all overkill |
| [02:14:37] | totalanni: | ^yup |
| [02:14:38] | sphery: | unless you're running Windows 7 |
| [02:14:42] | totalanni: | i bought a i7 for wow |
| [02:14:47] | mattwj2002: | I could build the system for the price of the chip |
| [02:14:51] | ** totalanni rolls eyes ** | |
| [02:15:04] | sphery: | yeah, and if you can afford it and will use it for a sufficient time, it's a good system to buy |
| [02:15:12] | mattwj2002: | all I need is a motherboard an cpu |
| [02:15:15] | totalanni: | yea |
| [02:15:20] | mattwj2002: | I have the rest of the parts all ready |
| [02:15:20] | totalanni: | get an intel core2 |
| [02:15:35] | sphery: | Core 2 Duo or Athlon II X2 is my recommendation |
| [02:15:42] | totalanni: | u can get a socket 775 for like $40 |
| [02:15:45] | mattwj2002: | I am still looking at $125 |
| [02:15:52] | totalanni: | easily done :) |
| [02:15:53] | sphery: | and nice Athlon II X2 240 is cheap--and get a nice mobo combo and you can potentially get it for $80 or so |
| [02:15:57] | mattwj2002: | for Core 2 Duo |
| [02:17:06] | sphery: | ah, they just ended the Athlon II X2 240 + mobo for $79.99 combo |
| [02:17:34] | sphery: | (mobo didn't have graphics, but that's good because it's hard to find nvidia graphics on modern AMD mobos) |
| [02:17:36] | mattwj2002: | I can get an original Phenom X4 for $75 |
| [02:18:15] | totalanni: | u got ram? |
| [02:18:40] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: better to get a low end Ath II X4 |
| [02:18:40] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [02:18:49] | totalanni: | nice |
| [02:18:53] | mattwj2002: | 4 GB |
| [02:18:54] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:18:55] | wagnerrp: | the newer athlons are a newer core |
| [02:19:02] | wagnerrp: | better performance, lower power |
| [02:19:04] | totalanni: | my athlon x2 240 is pretty pimp |
| [02:19:32] | mattwj2002: | you mean Phenom ? |
| [02:19:34] | wagnerrp: | and you should only consider getting an X4 if you intend to do a lot of transcoding to h264, or bluray playback |
| [02:19:39] | sphery: | which RAM do you have? |
| [02:19:47] | mattwj2002: | I have no idea |
| [02:19:52] | sphery: | yeah, Athlon II X2 240 is nice |
| [02:20:15] | sphery: | well, you'll need to know to buy the right mobo |
| [02:20:15] | totalanni: | heh |
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| [02:20:27] | totalanni: | :-D |
| [02:20:47] | totalanni: | i use an athlon II x2 240 as my esxi server |
| [02:21:03] | totalanni: | i think i might swap out my i7 for the 240 |
| [02:21:18] | totalanni: | cause i really just chat and inet on my desktop |
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| [02:21:26] | totalanni: | and fold proteins |
| [02:21:28] | mattwj2002: | oh wow guys |
| [02:21:32] | mattwj2002: | check this out |
| [02:21:35] | totalanni: | (which is handled by the gpu anyways) |
| [02:21:40] | sphery: | totalanni: heh, cool, I do BOINC/SETI@home |
| [02:21:41] | mattwj2002: | http://amzn.com/B003M7BLOW |
| [02:22:03] | sphery: | Propus is good, but I wouldn't do 95W |
| [02:22:05] | totalanni: | matt: thats your full budget |
| [02:22:14] | Beirdo: | boinc! |
| [02:22:18] | totalanni: | and you'll need a AM3 mobo |
| [02:22:28] | sphery: | Beirdo's favorite word :) |
| [02:22:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:22:45] | sphery: | totalanni: I like Regor (Athlon II X2 2x0) |
| [02:22:46] | wagnerrp: | newegg is $10 cheaper... but open box |
| [02:22:52] | mattwj2002: | maybe I can find a few extra bucks somewhere |
| [02:22:53] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:22:58] | wagnerrp: | except its a phenom |
| [02:23:05] | totalanni: | and |
| [02:23:12] | totalanni: | doesnt the am3's use ddr3? |
| [02:23:14] | wagnerrp: | so you get to use all that otherwise disabled cache |
| [02:23:17] | mattwj2002: | I would need to find one that takes DDR2 ram |
| [02:23:18] | wagnerrp: | it can use 3, yes |
| [02:23:26] | mattwj2002: | well there goes that idea |
| [02:23:26] | totalanni: | it can also use 2? |
| [02:23:32] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:23:32] | totalanni: | mine uses 3 |
| [02:23:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Efficient-Qu . . . &sr=1-16 |
| [02:23:40] | wagnerrp: | it supports both |
| [02:23:44] | mattwj2002: | what? |
| [02:23:46] | sphery: | only 2.3GHz, but 45W |
| [02:23:49] | mattwj2002: | are you guys sure? |
| [02:23:52] | totalanni: | so i just figured it was ddr3 |
| [02:23:59] | mattwj2002: | I didn't think it was backwards compatible |
| [02:24:00] | mattwj2002: | :-s |
| [02:24:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: woah, amazon has the Athlon II X2 240E |
| [02:24:12] | mattwj2002: | ddr3 motherboards can support ddr2? |
| [02:24:25] | totalanni: | with chipset support i guess |
| [02:24:33] | mattwj2002: | O_o |
| [02:24:35] | wagnerrp: | its not 'backwards compatible', the athlon/phenom II line supports both DDR2 and DDR3 |
| [02:24:39] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with the chipset |
| [02:24:47] | sphery: | mattwj2002: for real, if I were buying and going AMD, I'd get http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Efficient-Tr . . . &sr=1-19 or http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Efficient-Tr . . . &sr=1-13 |
| [02:25:06] | sphery: | 45W Energy Efficient 2.8 or 2.9GHz |
| [02:25:18] | mattwj2002: | wow |
| [02:25:23] | mattwj2002: | good price and efficent |
| [02:25:24] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:25:25] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Athlon-Efficient-Qu . . . &sr=1-15 might be good |
| [02:25:37] | sphery: | but it's more than I'd be willing to pay |
| [02:25:37] | wagnerrp: | wow... i complain about the triple cores being a broken quad core |
| [02:25:50] | totalanni: | heh |
| [02:25:51] | sphery: | and with it only 2.4GHz, it may struggle on some video |
| [02:26:07] | totalanni: | im sayin...$80 for a x3 cpu |
| [02:26:09] | wagnerrp: | but that should be able to decode anything you might come across |
| [02:26:22] | sphery: | mattwj2002: I've been lookign for a 2xxe chip for over a year, now |
| [02:26:25] | wagnerrp: | enough clock rate for hdpvr, enough total power for bluray |
| [02:26:42] | wagnerrp: | the 3.3GHz i5s would probably choke on bluray |
| [02:26:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what about the 2.3GHz or 2.4GHz quad core ones? |
| [02:27:03] | wagnerrp: | probably too slow for full bitrate |
| [02:27:17] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I figured |
| [02:27:24] | wagnerrp: | with the sync prior to 0.23, the cutoff for full bitrate was somewhere around 2.5 for a Core2 |
| [02:27:39] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [02:28:21] | wagnerrp: | wait wait... |
| [02:28:22] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
| [02:28:32] | wagnerrp: | those are dual cores, not triple |
| [02:28:37] | mattwj2002: | newegg has a better price on AMD chips then amazon |
| [02:28:37] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871 |
| [02:28:40] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:28:40] | wagnerrp: | amazon has them marked wrong |
| [02:29:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I knew they were dual-core and didn't even notice it said triple |
| [02:29:38] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: newegg doesnt have the same processors |
| [02:29:44] | wagnerrp: | they have the standard versions |
| [02:29:47] | sphery: | after all, X2 = dual core |
| [02:29:47] | wagnerrp: | not the 'e' versions |
| [02:30:05] | sphery: | yeah, and they do /not/ seem to want to carry the e versions |
| [02:30:14] | sphery: | really--over a year I've been looking for one |
| [02:30:30] | sphery: | I had to settle for the non-e 65W versions instead of the e 45W versions |
| [02:31:15] | dewman: | when i edit a channel in mythweb, is it normal for live tv to try to start on that last channel that I modified? IE if the channel scan shows as 2500 and I remap the channel to 77_2 live tv attempts to start on 2500 unless i go into the backend and tell the tuner to start on the lowest channel (in my case 5_1) |
| [02:31:36] | mattwj2002: | it is teh 45 nm version though |
| [02:31:47] | sphery: | dewman: every time you tune a channel the start channel is updated |
| [02:31:53] | iamlindoro: | dewman, If you are on .23 or later, do NOT edit channels in MythWeb |
| [02:32:02] | iamlindoro: | you will thrash them |
| [02:32:04] | dewman: | yep on .23 |
| [02:32:15] | sphery: | mattwj2002: Watts have a much bigger effect for the user than nanometers :) |
| [02:32:25] | mattwj2002: | well it is 95 W |
| [02:32:29] | sphery: | oh, you said MythWeb.... |
| [02:32:36] | dewman: | yes, mythweb. |
| [02:32:41] | sphery: | mattwj2002: yeah, that's why I'd go with the Athlon II X2 240e or 245e |
| [02:32:59] | sphery: | yeah, MythWeb channel editor is broken in 0.23... not something you should use |
| [02:33:02] | mattwj2002: | what is the wattage on a X4 e? |
| [02:33:14] | sphery: | 45W, but the clock speed is low |
| [02:33:24] | sphery: | er, frequency |
| [02:33:31] | sphery: | so it will struggle with some content |
| [02:33:44] | mattwj2002: | yeah forget that |
| [02:33:48] | sphery: | you're really seriously better off with the Athlon II X2 24Xe |
| [02:34:08] | sphery: | then get a nice mobo--likely without GPU--and nvidia graphics |
| [02:34:38] | sphery: | the Athon II X2 will work with either DDR2 or DDR3, but you need a mobo that uses the memory standard you have |
| [02:34:44] | dewman: | sphery, ahh...that explains it....( mythweb) |
| [02:35:44] | mattwj2002: | this is the chip I want I think |
| [02:35:45] | mattwj2002: | AMD Athlon II X4 |
| [02:35:57] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871 |
| [02:36:11] | nutron: | Hmm ncix has better prices... especially if you price match :o |
| [02:36:24] | nutron: | some of neweggs prices are way outta line |
| [02:36:30] | sphery: | if you don't mind running a 95W heater, sure :) |
| [02:37:43] | mattwj2002: | good for those cold MN winters |
| [02:37:44] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:37:54] | nutron: | http://www.onhop.ca/catalog/product/10746223 |
| [02:38:03] | nutron: | although it's canadian... |
| [02:38:05] | dewman: | i prefeer a 130w heater, keeps my toes warm in the winter....MI-UP |
| [02:38:51] | nutron: | sphery: you think that chip can keep up with 1080p? |
| [02:39:07] | sphery: | ATSC (MPEG-2) no problems |
| [02:39:11] | sphery: | that's easy |
| [02:39:25] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:39:26] | sphery: | for HD-PVR it should be fine, same for bluray rips |
| [02:39:31] | mattwj2002: | does it say ah? |
| [02:39:32] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:39:36] | wagnerrp: | the X2 or X4? |
| [02:39:44] | sphery: | but I won't guarantee it as I have neither an HDPVR nor a BluRay |
| [02:39:45] | wagnerrp: | the X2 wont do bluray without resorting to VDPAU |
| [02:39:46] | mattwj2002: | by the way we say ah in MN too |
| [02:39:47] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:39:48] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [02:40:09] | mattwj2002: | oops I meant "A" |
| [02:40:19] | nutron: | eh? |
| [02:40:24] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [02:40:28] | sphery: | what are you talking aboot? |
| [02:40:45] | nutron: | lol, sux that I still feel that canadians are far superior to americans... just look at Beirdo !! :P |
| [02:40:52] | mattwj2002: | lol |
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| [02:41:25] | nutron: | Everytime I go to the states... I'm asked if I'm from Britain... .. but.. you're ... from .. british columbia!!... where's that? |
| [02:41:28] | mattwj2002: | I like this motherboard but it doesn't have hdmi out |
| [02:41:29] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131626 |
| [02:41:45] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:42:17] | nutron: | is there a simple system that can be relatively fanless which would run the aforementioned process? |
| [02:42:31] | nutron: | s/process/processor/g |
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| [02:44:23] | sphery: | mattwj2002: that mobo's video won't do VDPAU, either |
| [02:45:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, and now the advances search is back and they have a power search, too |
| [02:45:33] | sphery: | seems they're actually changing the site, now |
| [02:46:16] | wagnerrp: | the power search has been around for years |
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| [02:46:39] | sphery: | the power search that lets you select multiple different items per category? |
| [02:46:46] | sphery: | all I ever saw before was the advances search |
| [02:46:48] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [02:46:49] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:50:24] | mattwj2002: | what is VDPAU? |
| [02:50:50] | wagnerrp: | you wanted an ION, and didnt know what VDPAU was? |
| [02:51:15] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is what makes an ION not a complete piece of garbage (for video playback) |
| [02:52:37] | mattwj2002: | besides ion what supports it? |
| [02:52:53] | wagnerrp: | anything nvidia, 8-series or better |
| [02:56:26] | mattwj2002: | okay gentlemen |
| [02:56:29] | mattwj2002: | another one |
| [02:56:30] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:56:32] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . rollFullInfo |
| [02:56:56] | mattwj2002: | I normally buy asus but what do you think of this 4 out of 5 eggs |
| [02:57:21] | wagnerrp: | machete... im excited |
| [02:58:17] | mattwj2002: | you like it wagnerrp? |
| [02:58:24] | wagnerrp: | hehe... its not out for a week, and already has an 8.3 |
| [02:58:56] | wagnerrp: | meh, id get one with hdmi |
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| [03:01:01] | mattwj2002: | nope |
| [03:01:06] | mattwj2002: | that is out of my price range |
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| [03:01:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pickings are a bit slim it seems |
| [03:01:40] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [03:02:01] | mattwj2002: | this is prefect outwise |
| [03:02:06] | mattwj2002: | *otherwise |
| [03:02:41] | mattwj2002: | takes ddr2.....supports am3 processors and has a NVIDIA GeForce 8200 gpu |
| [03:02:56] | mattwj2002: | and the price is right! |
| [03:02:57] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [03:18:36] | Beirdo: | ahhhh |
| [03:18:55] | Beirdo: | the 16683Hz or whatever at startup... should say 16683us |
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| [03:23:05] | Beirdo: | makes more sense to me now |
| [03:23:33] | Beirdo: | actually, I think mine said 16667Hz... which makes sense for a 60Hz refresh |
| [03:30:48] | sphery: | Beirdo: Yeah, markk mentioned that it's microseconds. He's looking into the change (suspects it's changes in util-nvctrl). |
| [03:32:18] | Beirdo: | the log msg should get changed to us to not confuse us :) But whatever |
| [03:32:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:32:42] | Beirdo: | now If I could figure out why sometimes my videos won't start playing right |
| [03:32:54] | Beirdo: | recordings, rather |
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| [03:34:11] | Beirdo: | sometimes it works fins, sometimes it starts with realllly slow audio then freezes... sometimes it just doesn't start |
| [03:34:32] | Beirdo: | and I haven't seen much of a distinguishing pattern in the frontend logs |
| [03:35:33] | Beirdo: | OK, now this is odd |
| [03:35:51] | Beirdo: | an OTA Family Guy.. no longer has an MPEG-2 icon in the OSD?! |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | time t recompile |
| [03:38:19] | [R]: | bleh |
| [03:38:24] | [R]: | i hate fuses |
| [03:38:37] | wagnerrp: | you should replace them with breakers |
| [03:39:04] | [R]: | i don't think i can |
| [03:39:21] | wagnerrp: | 'course you can |
| [03:39:29] | wagnerrp: | get an electrical panel, wire it up |
| [03:39:34] | [R]: | i don't know that stuff |
| [03:39:39] | [R]: | and its outside |
| [03:39:42] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, pay a professional to do it for you |
| [03:39:45] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:39:56] | wagnerrp: | considering youve got tens of thousands of watts coursing through that thing |
| [03:39:59] | sphery: | Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the Rubber Duck. You gotta copy on me, Pig Pen, c'mon? |
| [03:40:11] | [R]: | sphery: what's that from? |
| [03:40:20] | sphery: | Convoy. C.W. McCall |
| [03:40:27] | sphery: | great 70's music |
| [03:40:29] | [R]: | oh |
| [03:40:48] | [R]: | i work on communications equipment and when i'm bored and testing i like to say 'breaker breaker one niner' |
| [03:40:56] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_%28song%29 |
| [03:41:13] | sphery: | any time someone talks about breakers, I think about that song |
| [03:41:47] | sphery: | You should get the song, memorize the talk-lyrics at the start (complete with accent), and you can do that when testing. |
| [03:43:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:45:44] | Gibby: | good song |
| [03:49:25] | mzb is now known as mzb_zz | |
| [03:49:32] | Beirdo: | Ahhhh, Family Guy++ |
| [03:49:33] | Gibby: | if the usb to serial for my directv STB's don't work what are my others options? Do the have IR blasters that operate from the computer to the STB? |
| [03:49:59] | Beirdo: | you can use IR, of course. |
| [03:50:04] | sphery: | Gibby: how many USB to serial? |
| [03:50:17] | sphery: | I've heard you need 2 of them to make a type of null-modem thing |
| [03:50:27] | sphery: | I have no idea how this works in practice, though |
| [03:50:30] | Gibby: | right now i am going to try usb/serial-null modem-usb/serial |
| [03:50:32] | Beirdo: | you need two PLUSH a nullmodem, I think |
| [03:50:32] | sphery: | just a half-remembered mention |
| [03:50:47] | Beirdo: | s/plush/plus/i |
| [03:50:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:51:06] | Gibby: | just ordered them today, however my usb on the STB is already in use |
| [03:51:16] | Beirdo: | I haven't transitioned to them yet in my setup |
| [03:51:23] | Beirdo: | doing all IR for now |
| [03:51:28] | sphery: | I was imagining a nullmodem device covered in a nice velour |
| [03:51:41] | Gibby: | so they do have ir transmitter for a computer? |
| [03:51:51] | Beirdo: | with the IR transmitters electrical taped to the receiver |
| [03:51:59] | Beirdo: | MCEUSB |
| [03:52:07] | sphery: | or DIY |
| [03:52:10] | [R]: | you can also build a transmitter |
| [03:52:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, you CAN build em |
| [03:52:21] | sphery: | http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html |
| [03:52:28] | sphery: | though those won't work with USB serial |
| [03:52:32] | Beirdo: | but the MCEUSB gives two transmitters, and is on USB :) |
| [03:52:46] | Beirdo: | and a remote too |
| [03:52:48] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:52:48] | sphery: | yeah, buying USB is much easier than trying to build USB |
| [03:52:51] | sphery: | and cheaper, too |
| [03:52:52] | [R]: | i have a microcontroller and an ir reciever that i was gonna do stuff with... but still haven't done anyting with it |
| [03:53:07] | Beirdo: | I'm still considering doing the 4-way USB transmitter though |
| [03:53:14] | sphery: | homemade? |
| [03:53:24] | sphery: | which design? |
| [03:53:30] | Beirdo: | my own |
| [03:53:31] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:53:34] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:53:46] | Beirdo: | but I just have too many other things on the plate... |
| [03:53:56] | sphery: | your own USB code, too? |
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| [03:54:14] | sphery: | I found several designs all with varying approaches to the USB code |
| [03:54:14] | Beirdo: | was going to use USB-serial with FTDI with my own protocol on top |
| [03:54:20] | sphery: | none looked worth the time |
| [03:54:28] | sphery: | ah, cool |
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| [03:54:42] | sphery: | that makes it much easier than trying to implement the USB |
| [03:54:48] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:55:04] | Beirdo: | ah man, some dip#&$* is smoking on their balcony again |
| [03:55:14] | Beirdo: | I swear, I'm gonna get them evicted |
| [03:55:16] | spinull: | i got my backend setup and all working with my 5500's however one of my inputs has no audio |
| [03:55:33] | sphery: | Beirdo: probably would have been similar to http://www.huitsing.nl/irftdi/ |
| [03:56:01] | Beirdo: | not precisely |
| [03:56:02] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:56:31] | Beirdo: | but it's on hold for the moment |
| [03:57:08] | sphery: | looks like http://www.xs4all.nl/~dicks/avr/usbtiny/ has made great strides since I last looked at homebrew USB LIRC stuff |
| [03:57:10] | Beirdo: | I'll get back to it |
| [03:57:43] | Beirdo: | but for now, too many other things to deal with... like 0.24... |
| [03:57:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:58:08] | sphery: | I'm still using a remote that sometimes is perfect and other times just doesn't want to work |
| [03:58:24] | Beirdo: | mine works great... until the batteries are low |
| [03:58:30] | Beirdo: | then the timing gets shot ;) |
| [03:58:37] | sphery: | I'm starting to wonder if it's affected by my blood iron levels (it's RF) |
| [03:58:52] | sphery: | yeah, when my batteries get low, it's bad |
| [03:59:03] | sphery: | and it burns through batteries |
| [03:59:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:59:18] | sphery: | 4x AAA (but rechargeable just makes it an annoyance) |
| [03:59:21] | Beirdo: | take the magnets outta yer butt |
| [03:59:24] | sphery: | heh |
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| [03:59:45] | Beirdo: | aw COME ON! |
| [03:59:51] | Beirdo: | now they are smoking cigars! |
| [03:59:59] | Beirdo: | pricks |
| [04:00:19] | sphery: | that's so annoying when you have to smell someone's cigar |
| [04:00:20] | Beirdo: | I could easily stink them out with cigars, but I don't feel like getting evicted |
| [04:00:35] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:00:52] | Beirdo: | I smoke em... but this is a smoke-free building, including balconies |
| [04:01:38] | Beirdo: | so, new amp is in place |
| [04:01:40] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:02:41] | NightMonkey: | Beirdo: Sounds like you need a bucket of water to accidentally kick. "sosorryIdrenchedyouandyourcigarsreallyIam." |
| [04:02:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:02:55] | Beirdo: | I think they are above me though |
| [04:02:59] | NightMonkey: | Ah |
| [04:03:30] | NightMonkey: | Hard to have an accidental Supersoaker party. |
| [04:03:53] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [04:04:04] | wagnerrp: | better cigars than something else |
| [04:04:14] | wagnerrp: | had a friend in college |
| [04:04:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:04:25] | Beirdo: | this IS Seattle... I get to smell burnt rope a lot |
| [04:04:28] | wagnerrp: | hed frequently get a 2nd hand high from the people a floor below |
| [04:04:56] | NightMonkey: | I hate that. Not against pot, but I am against rudeness. |
| [04:04:58] | Beirdo: | let's hope he didn't need to pee test for work |
| [04:05:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, you wanna smoke whatever, go nuts, but don't make others deal with it too |
| [04:05:29] | wagnerrp: | makes it a bit hard to do homework when they start that up |
| [04:05:49] | Beirdo: | or makes it easier |
| [04:05:50] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:05:56] | Beirdo: | just more munchies |
| [04:06:36] | wagnerrp: | now to see if i can get mythtv fixed... |
| [04:06:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [04:06:54] | wagnerrp: | going to be a while |
| [04:06:58] | ** Beirdo goes off kinda searching for hard drives ** | |
| [04:07:05] | wagnerrp: | have a bunch of dependencies to build through before i get to ffmpeg |
| [04:07:08] | Beirdo: | but not buying yet :) |
| [04:07:59] | Beirdo: | gonna get more drive space in my prod mythbox sometime |
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| [04:08:48] | Beirdo: | 500G + 160G => 2TB + 2TB, I think |
| [04:10:16] | Beirdo: | Oooooh! |
| [04:10:32] | Beirdo: | static in part fo the recording?! |
| [04:10:48] | Beirdo: | I will wring your neck, machine! |
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| [04:12:57] | Beirdo: | la la la Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhthttttththththth |
| [04:13:05] | Beirdo: | sigh :) |
| [04:14:22] | jediborger: | hello, I have a question about combining two cable sources and having one channel list |
| [04:15:12] | jediborger: | Is is possible to have some channels come from my cable box and others come from an aerial antenna? |
| [04:15:19] | Shadow__X: | i hate it when i am in traffic and i am forced to smell someone smoking |
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| [04:15:51] | Shadow__X: | jediborger: yes you just assign them two different video sources |
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| [04:16:09] | jediborger: | some of the channels will overlap |
| [04:16:13] | Shadow__X: | and then if there are channels that overlap you can assign them the same call numbers |
| [04:16:27] | Beirdo: | 2010-08–27 21:15:56.111 AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, params(0,2,44100) |
| [04:16:28] | jediborger: | can I pick which source they come from? |
| [04:16:29] | Shadow__X: | so mythtv can record from either of them |
| [04:16:33] | Beirdo: | and nothing.... |
| [04:17:20] | jediborger: | can I have one unified channel list while watching live tv? |
| [04:17:26] | jediborger: | or will I have to switch sources? |
| [04:19:48] | wagnerrp: | you can enable 'browse across sources' |
| [04:20:00] | wagnerrp: | but by default, you would have to switch inputs or sources manually |
| [04:20:56] | jediborger: | cool, thanks a lot |
| [04:21:27] | Shadow__X: | i had to look at my own system because its been that long since i have used livetv |
| [04:21:30] | jediborger: | in my area our local cable provider is possibly dropping some networks |
| [04:21:34] | mzb_zz is now known as mzb | |
| [04:22:00] | jediborger: | it's a local network so I can pick it up over aerial |
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| [04:22:49] | jediborger: | I'm getting tired of these cable company contracts that limit what local channels they can carry |
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| [04:26:05] | jediborger: | thanks again for the help |
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| [04:33:19] | Gibby: | sorry i am back, had a server issue at work, gott scroll through and look at the usb IR stuff |
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| [04:48:26] | ipv5: | howdy |
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| [04:56:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:56:12] | Beirdo: | so there IS an IPv5! |
| [04:59:30] | wagnerrp: | how do i make gmake output the command it uses? |
| [05:01:02] | Beirdo: | gmake -n |
| [05:01:25] | Beirdo: | it will do everything but actually RUN the commands |
| [05:01:32] | itscrimetime: | hey wagnerrp have you tryed linucmce? |
| [05:02:09] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:02:40] | itscrimetime: | works pretty neat |
| [05:02:57] | wagnerrp: | it is mythtv |
| [05:03:40] | ipv5: | Beirdo: i've always said this ipv6 transition wouldn't have been such a clusterf--- if we would have gone to ipv5 first |
| [05:03:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:03:57] | Beirdo: | IPv6 works great for me |
| [05:04:12] | Beirdo: | not my fault you guys like to drag yer feet :) |
| [05:05:45] | ipv5: | so i'm sure you guys hear this hourly, but what tuner card should i get for atsc stuff? as of now i'm pretty much interested in OTA, but future cable/sat capability wouldn't hurt... |
| [05:05:54] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [05:05:54] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [05:06:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:06:09] | Beirdo: | now THAT was predictable |
| [05:06:14] | Beirdo: | and fast, I might add |
| [05:06:35] | wagnerrp: | its only been said about a half dozen times today |
| [05:07:31] | ipv5: | well that's fewer than i'd have guessed |
| [05:07:47] | ipv5: | i've been to that page of course...lots of choices |
| [05:07:55] | wagnerrp: | i just dont get it |
| [05:08:02] | wagnerrp: | the ffmpeg compile from ports work |
| [05:08:05] | ipv5: | i was looking at that hauppage 1600 |
| [05:08:25] | wagnerrp: | i copy and paste the same_exact_line into the mythtv tree |
| [05:08:26] | wagnerrp: | and it fails |
| [05:08:46] | mzb is now known as mzb_zz | |
| [05:08:52] | wagnerrp: | the command is the same |
| [05:09:06] | wagnerrp: | the file is the same except that a couple functions are prepended with ff_ |
| [05:09:15] | mzb_zz is now known as mzb | |
| [05:09:43] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can tell, the environment is the same |
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| [05:21:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you got a pastebin? |
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| [05:25:19] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1927382 |
| [05:26:33] | Beirdo: | cool, gimme a sec |
| [05:27:30] | wagnerrp: | the first and third lines are identical, except for that first include |
| [05:27:31] | Beirdo: | major difference... |
| [05:27:33] | Beirdo: | -msse |
| [05:28:13] | Beirdo: | -fno-strict-aliasing *might* make a difference, but -msse is quite likely the missing magic there |
| [05:28:19] | wagnerrp: | erm... looks like i hit the wrong one in my history |
| [05:28:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:28:29] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [05:29:24] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i run that first line up top, in the myth build directory, with the include changed to match |
| [05:29:28] | wagnerrp: | and i get the same exact error |
| [05:30:01] | Beirdo: | you *sure*? :) |
| [05:30:18] | wagnerrp: | i just copy-pasted it right now |
| [05:30:20] | wagnerrp: | just to make sure |
| [05:30:23] | Beirdo: | k |
| [05:30:35] | Gibby: | any1 need help? I feel useless.... :( |
| [05:30:37] | Beirdo: | including the -I path? |
| [05:30:40] | nutron: | just so I'm clear.. this one's simple.. config.xml will _always_ be there and _always_ be under ~/.mythtv/config.xml? |
| [05:31:01] | wagnerrp: | ive tried the exact command, and with the include changed to match the mythtv path |
| [05:31:05] | Beirdo: | Gibby: you haven't said anything for an hour... |
| [05:31:44] | Gibby: | i know, i had an issue with a FLAR restore at work |
| [05:32:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: how odd |
| [05:32:05] | Gibby: | and teaching someone how to patch a Solaris server |
| [05:32:34] | Beirdo: | what the deuce? |
| [05:32:50] | Beirdo: | my headache's coming back... time for more coffee |
| [05:34:36] | nutron: | sphery: you talked to me about config.xml a while back. Do you remember why the perl modules were to pump one out if it didn't exist? |
| [05:35:03] | wagnerrp: | because it detected the information necessary to create one over upnp |
| [05:38:52] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well, I'm at a loss |
| [05:38:59] | nutron: | but doesn't that happen the first time front end is run? |
| [05:39:14] | nutron: | I guess the perl side of things should do the same |
| [05:39:25] | wagnerrp: | nutron: yes, if the frontend has been run on that machine and HOME directory |
| [05:40:27] | nutron: | ok, know where that's done in the codebase? :/ |
| [05:41:11] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv or perl? |
| [05:43:49] | nutron: | in myth |
| [05:44:14] | nutron: | I should just copy what it does in the frontend imho |
| [05:44:31] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to do? |
| [05:45:41] | nutron: | well, right now, it tests for config.xml and dies if it doesn't exist. |
| [05:46:02] | nutron: | So I need to create it, I made notes when sphery told me I should create it but... meh I lost 'em |
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| [05:47:32] | wagnerrp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . thTV.pm#L175 |
| [05:47:59] | wagnerrp: | the perl bindings already attempt to find the database over upnp, and write out a new config.xml, if there is no existing config |
| [05:49:00] | wagnerrp: | but will fail if the upnp module is not detected, if no backends are found, or if more than one backend is found |
| [05:49:24] | nutron: | meh, i overwrote that ages ago... crap |
| [05:49:40] | Beirdo: | crap is good. |
| [05:49:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:49:54] | Beirdo: | crap makes the world go round... or some such crap |
| [05:50:37] | nutron: | lol.. I broke everything down into pieces, somehow that part got missed and tossed by me .. heh |
| [05:51:11] | wagnerrp: | hey, less work for you... :) |
| [05:51:12] | nutron: | ok well thanks wagnerrp I'll remember to use the source browser from now on |
| [05:51:15] | ** nutron blinks ** | |
| [05:52:03] | wagnerrp: | the only deficiency of that section of code i know of off hand is that it manually parses the file |
| [05:52:14] | nutron: | Yeah, that's actually pretty cool, now to figure out how to break all of this down into pieces and submit ... something... |
| [05:52:15] | wagnerrp: | an xml parser of some sort would do wonders there |
| [05:52:25] | nutron: | already have it in |
| [05:53:01] | nutron: | 29 new modules :/... I gotta consolidate |
| [05:53:17] | wagnerrp: | hehe, thats debatable |
| [05:53:28] | nutron: | MythTV::DB |
| [05:53:28] | wagnerrp: | im looking to break up |
| [05:53:34] | nutron: | MythTV::DBUtils |
| [05:53:41] | nutron: | ... that could become one |
| [05:53:48] | wagnerrp: | i already did one reorganization of the bindings this cycle |
| [05:53:56] | nutron: | :o |
| [05:54:03] | nutron: | how much time do you have on your hands? heh |
| [05:54:15] | wagnerrp: | split up three files into 11 |
| [05:54:39] | wagnerrp: | but now two of those are growing too much |
| [05:54:40] | nutron: | these dentyne ice mints are somewhat like crack, I can't stop eating them.. and my tongue is numb ... |
| [05:54:49] | wagnerrp: | feel the urge to break those apart |
| [05:54:58] | wagnerrp: | a bit over 1100 lines each |
| [05:55:21] | wagnerrp: | ooh, three that are getting that large |
| [05:55:43] | nutron: | Yikes.... and y'know what? I still don't understand python... after going through your code... I mean I'm not an idiot, but... I still get lost. C, C++, D, ASM all seem easier to decipher |
| [05:56:42] | wagnerrp: | there are some chunks in it i find confusing |
| [05:56:47] | nutron: | DO IT! ... well I'm just organizing so I can try not to miss anything |
| [05:56:57] | wagnerrp: | basically, any of the real complex database classes |
| [05:57:09] | wagnerrp: | the reference and cross-reference handlers |
| [05:57:15] | wagnerrp: | and the search generator |
| [05:57:26] | wagnerrp: | ugly ugly code |
| [05:57:43] | nutron: | Can you explain a cross-reference to me? I've seen people talk about 'em but.. I know what a pointer/reference is... not a cross-reference |
| [05:57:48] | ** nutron blinks sheepishly ** | |
| [05:58:07] | wagnerrp: | take videometadata, one table, with entries for one video each |
| [05:58:13] | nutron: | aye |
| [05:58:15] | wagnerrp: | each entry gets an intid |
| [05:58:21] | nutron: | ok |
| [05:58:28] | wagnerrp: | then you have cast members in videocast |
| [05:58:33] | wagnerrp: | with a name and an id |
| [05:58:34] | nutron: | k |
| [05:58:41] | nutron: | k |
| [05:58:42] | wagnerrp: | videometadatacast would then be the cross reference |
| [05:58:49] | wagnerrp: | mapping a cast member to a video |
| [05:58:54] | nutron: | urg? ... oh |
| [05:59:20] | nutron: | so not python programin' lingo! |
| [05:59:29] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:59:59] | nutron: | Excellent. |
| [06:00:14] | wagnerrp: | reference would be videomarkup, containing cutpoints, commercial data, some video information, etc... |
| [06:01:43] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i set up those classes so you could create them with a minimal amount of data provided to it |
| [06:01:55] | nutron: | Ok, got it, admittedly I still think your code is black magic.. I just try to get the gist of what a method/class (I'm paraphrasing) does and I go from there :P |
| [06:02:07] | wagnerrp: | which means its a horrid mess of garbage trying to figure out the structure of the given tables |
| [06:02:10] | wagnerrp: | and how to handle them |
| [06:02:12] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: parentalcontrols.moc and videoscan.moc are generated files, right? |
| [06:02:42] | nutron: | Aye, I ran into defined table structures in your code, I just read 'em in using DBI |
| [06:02:47] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, yes |
| [06:03:02] | Beirdo: | OK, just adjusting my local gitignores :) |
| [06:03:16] | nutron: | I don't know if that's kosher, I'm sure I'll find out |
| [06:03:29] | wagnerrp: | if whats kosher? |
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| [06:03:48] | nutron: | determining structure from the database itself. |
| [06:03:56] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [06:04:09] | nutron: | though obviously assumptions are made when queries are run that certain columns _have_ to be there |
| [06:04:12] | nutron: | if not.. error |
| [06:04:53] | wagnerrp: | all of my table handling classes pull all their stuff from the database |
| [06:05:13] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you need to provide is a table name, and a set of values to use as a unique key |
| [06:05:27] | wagnerrp: | and if you intend to create new entries, whatever default values you need |
| [06:08:33] | wagnerrp: | if i really wanted to be fancy, i could even pull that unique key out of the database, as the PRIMARY KEY |
| [06:14:03] | Beirdo: | let the bisecting begin |
| [06:19:11] | nutron: | :o, does myth have a minimum requirement for a mysql server version? |
| [06:19:24] | nutron: | I see/use joins etc, nothing too fancy yet |
| [06:20:05] | Beirdo: | 5.0ish, I think |
| [06:20:34] | Beirdo: | the people who would know best may not be in right now |
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| [06:38:52] | nutron: | Yeah I have a check for 5.0.30 as a minimum, but that may be unnecessary. |
| [06:38:58] | nutron: | Anyway, I have to run home |
| [06:39:02] | nutron: | g'nite everyone. |
| [06:39:47] | Beirdo: | we will need a DB Schema check in there too |
| [06:39:49] | Beirdo: | BTW |
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| [06:42:20] | Beirdo: | http://www.rei.com/product/798240 |
| [06:42:33] | Beirdo: | I think those may be my next shoes :) |
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| [06:52:40] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [06:52:46] | Beirdo: | not far enough back |
| [06:54:28] | Beirdo: | and compiling again |
| [06:57:37] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: with a recent change, MPEG-2 no longer has an icon working for me in the Arclight OSD. Thought you might be interested to know. (just has a blank there – tested with OTA) |
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| [07:36:09] | Beirdo: | dangit |
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| [07:43:37] | Beirdo: | flippin schema change in the middle of the chunk I'm bisecting |
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| [07:45:55] | Beirdo: | and back another week.... |
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| [08:15:50] | Beirdo: | and another week back |
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| [10:06:40] | SNIFFER_dog: | anyone able to assit in xmltv for uk |
| [10:07:27] | SNIFFER_dog: | the radio times grabber gets a few channels but for some reason i still get no data in mythfrontend |
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| [14:07:54] | phil: | hiho |
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| [14:31:44] | phil: | i want to set the wakeup time like mythtv does in a script, to invoke it on shutdown |
| [14:32:35] | phil: | it works, but i don't know if there could be issues i have overseen, someone interested in a look? |
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| [16:22:15] | ThisOtherGuy: | hi all – does anyone have any instructions on how to get crystalhd enabled in trunk? |
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| [16:51:14] | ThisOtherGuy: | hey all – can anyone help me with this: http://pastebin.com/PaWKWJAY |
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| [17:00:40] | sphery: | ThisOtherGuy: note that Crystal HD support doesn't work, so unless you're planning on making patches to help them make it work, there's no reason to compile with support for it |
| [17:01:02] | ThisOtherGuy: | oh really? – I got all excited :-( |
| [17:01:14] | sphery: | they've just started adding support and getting it working |
| [17:05:15] | sphery: | basically, there are still some problems with it, so you're probably best off waiting for it to stabilize a bit |
| [17:07:13] | ThisOtherGuy: | k – any idea what's wrong with my install? |
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| [17:08:33] | sphery: | it looks like you may have the wrong version of crystal hd libs |
| [17:08:36] | sphery: | too old |
| [17:09:27] | sphery: | that being the, "The configure script changes will also need some tweaking. They currently only test for the correct header and library but will also need to do some version checking." part of the commit message. |
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| [17:09:54] | sphery: | I don't know what the correct version is, but I think it's a /very/ new version |
| [17:11:43] | ThisOtherGuy: | ok cool – thanks sphery! |
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| [17:18:53] | SNIFFER_dog: | hello |
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| [17:25:27] | trumee: | anybody had experience in using ps3 sixaxis controller for mythgame? |
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| [17:35:47] | orogor: | hi here |
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| [17:47:48] | orogor: | does myth.find_orphans.pl works because it s writtten as deprecated |
| [17:47:56] | orogor: | like can it corrupt the db or something? |
| [17:48:35] | orogor: | i regularly have errors when recording shows that end up with entries in the db but no file created and i d like to purge theses |
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| [17:58:11] | SNIFFER_dog: | anyone know how to get the guide working |
| [17:58:18] | SNIFFER_dog: | i have no data |
| [17:58:25] | SNIFFER_dog: | ive folled like 3 guides |
| [17:58:30] | SNIFFER_dog: | and still no data |
| [17:58:46] | SNIFFER_dog: | how hard is it? |
| [17:59:33] | sphery: | SNIFFER_dog: where are you in the world? US? |
| [17:59:43] | SNIFFER_dog: | no uk |
| [17:59:56] | SNIFFER_dog: | so using the xmltv |
| [18:00:05] | sphery: | I can't help much with UK, other than to say that most people choose either tv_grab_uk_rt or EIT listings. |
| [18:00:32] | SNIFFER_dog: | yeah im trying to use the tv_grab_uk_rt listings |
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| [18:01:26] | phil: | i suppose you did not map your channels with the xml provided by the grabber |
| [18:01:37] | SNIFFER_dog: | +sphery, you seem to one of the few in here that offers advice, so thanks for that |
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| [18:02:15] | SNIFFER_dog: | im trying to get my head round what i put in as the channel id |
| [18:02:38] | phil: | i spent my time on that last week |
| [18:02:54] | phil: | you have to get the definitions from the grabber you use |
| [18:03:34] | phil: | once you know how the grabber identifies its channels, edit yours preferable by mythweb |
| [18:03:45] | phil: | you can edit your whole list there and set the id |
| [18:03:54] | phil: | takes a bit time though |
| [18:03:57] | SNIFFER_dog: | i don't yet have mythweb running |
| [18:04:10] | SNIFFER_dog: | i appreciate it takes time |
| [18:04:30] | phil: | i installed on ubuntu last week and it was as simple as apt-get install mythplugins |
| [18:04:31] | SNIFFER_dog: | im only getting half of my channels picked up by the grabber |
| [18:04:34] | phil: | and it worked |
| [18:04:41] | sphery: | and mythweb's channel editor may actually break your channels, so use mythtv-setup's :) |
| [18:05:03] | phil: | oh, didn't know that |
| [18:05:38] | phil: | SNIFFER_dog: you mean you get more channels than the grabber provides or the other way round? |
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| [18:06:20] | phil: | if the grabber has more channels, nevermind |
| [18:06:42] | phil: | if you've got more channels, another grabber would be nice |
| [18:06:47] | SNIFFER_dog: | phil, my scanned channels is greater than what I get when i run tv_grap_uk_rt --configure in the shell |
| [18:07:07] | phil: | well, i had the same problem |
| [18:07:18] | phil: | found a grabber which just lets out 4 channels |
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| [18:07:39] | SNIFFER_dog: | lol, well at least i'm not the only one pulling teeth |
| [18:07:44] | phil: | don't know which one is best for uk or your tv provider |
| [18:08:16] | SNIFFER_dog: | so have you got xmltv working phil |
| [18:08:25] | phil: | as i see it, the digital thingie, EIT if i'm not mistaken, is way easier to set up |
| [18:08:40] | phil: | yes SNIFFER_dog |
| [18:08:47] | SNIFFER_dog: | well done |
| [18:08:50] | phil: | but for austrian/german channels |
| [18:09:06] | SNIFFER_dog: | oh |
| [18:09:43] | SNIFFER_dog: | i thought i knew what i was doing with computers but this is pretty difficult for me |
| [18:10:13] | phil: | start out by finding a grabber which has most of your channels |
| [18:10:58] | phil: | and yes, it takes couple of hours to have everything working, so having a few snacks or beers lying around is a good thing :-) |
| [18:11:43] | phil: | sphery: i wrote a littly python script to invoke acpi wakeup on shutdown automagically |
| [18:11:48] | SNIFFER_dog: | lol it's taken my 2 months just to be able to watch TV |
| [18:12:32] | wagnerrp: | phil: instead of letting the backend handle shutdown and wakeup for you? |
| [18:13:06] | phil: | yeah the learning curve with these things is the steepest i ever coped with apart from quantum statistical thermodynamics |
| [18:13:41] | phil: | wagnerrp: yes, i've got a desktop pc here, not a standalone |
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| [18:14:02] | wagnerrp: | you still shouldnt be shutting it down on your own |
| [18:14:14] | wagnerrp: | not unless your python shutdown script can poll the backend for activity |
| [18:14:20] | wagnerrp: | and cancel the shutdown accordingly |
| [18:14:40] | phil: | i thought about it, but you can easily recognise if it does so |
| [18:14:43] | phil: | you can hear it |
| [18:14:53] | wagnerrp: | hear what? |
| [18:15:05] | phil: | the HDD acivity |
| [18:15:09] | phil: | when recording |
| [18:15:14] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you need a new hard drive |
| [18:15:51] | phil: | i'm very sensible to noise, i can hear a feeping handy charger from 10 meters |
| [18:16:47] | phil: | i've googled a bit about the aborting shutdown but there is no clean solution, once it's been initialised |
| [18:17:47] | ** wagnerrp goes back to building the monitor stand ** | |
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| [18:24:55] | SNIFFER_dog: | when i gedit my xmltv file i get a list of channels like this: channel=4music.channel.com so do i need to input 4music.channel4.com into XMLTV ID: inside channel editor for that channel then run mythfilldatabase. cos if so it's not working for me |
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| [18:27:10] | orogor: | does myth.find_orphans.pl works because it s writtten as deprecated, like does it corrupt the db or something? |
| [18:27:18] | orogor: | because i regularly have errors when recording shows that end up with entries in the db but no file created and i d like to purge theses |
| [18:28:10] | orogor: | also now i have a small problem, when i alt tab or alt arrow, i can still use the keyboard but not the mouse |
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| [18:50:10] | SNIFFER_dog: | ok i give up on xmltv |
| [18:50:15] | SNIFFER_dog: | eit it is |
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| [19:01:01] | sphery: | kormoc_afk: "Fedora 10 in my case. mythweb now refuses to run at all without PHP 5.3. I used to just have to insert the get_called_class function each time I upgraded, but now I get..." Seems you broke MythWeb. It now requires the required version of PHP and won't work if the user tries to circumvent the prerequisites. ;) |
| [19:01:44] | sphery: | that being: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/295995.html |
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| [19:17:02] | wagnerrp: | is that needed for trunk or -fixes? |
| [19:17:18] | wagnerrp: | thats the cache stuff in trunk, right? |
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| [19:20:45] | sphery: | no, it's just using PHP 5.3 features, now |
| [19:20:51] | sphery: | and trunk only |
| [19:24:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8597 |
| [19:25:40] | sphery: | it seems he should be able to get php 5.3 for Fedora 6, let alone F10 |
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| [19:30:46] | wagnerrp: | it seems he should stop complaining about having to properly maintain his system to continue using trunk |
| [19:31:25] | wagnerrp: | and continue to not complain when his hack to bypass maintenance is blocked |
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| [19:59:26] | Beirdo: | there. |
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| [19:59:39] | Beirdo: | version.cpp should be a happy camper now |
| [20:00:22] | Beirdo: | and I have some qmake stuff to flush from my brain |
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| [20:46:49] | Matt: | well that was productive |
| [20:47:06] | Matt: | one $5 balun later and I have a homebrew antenna |
| [20:47:33] | Matt: | which does indeed prove I can pick up digital signals from both the CN tower and hamilton |
| [20:48:13] | Matt: | not seen if it can pick up anything from buffalo yet, but I'm not holding my hopes out for that :) |
| [20:48:24] | Matt: | not without getting up into the attic at least |
| [20:48:28] | Matt: | ideally up on the roof |
| [20:48:32] | Matt: | but I doubt my wife will like that :) |
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| [21:13:39] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [21:13:48] | Beirdo: | kormoc_afk: dang. afk :( |
| [21:19:06] | sphery: | and just wait 'til he gets back and finds out he broke MythWeb by making it require the required version of PHP |
| [21:20:52] | [R]: | sphery: talkig about that crazay guy with the fedora 10? |
| [21:22:11] | trumee is now known as zzztrumee | |
| [21:22:22] | Beirdo: | hehe, I was gonna ask him about AC3 audio actually :) |
| [21:22:49] | fedorared: | Ugh I was glad to upgrade from Fedora 9. Being more than 2 versions behind is annoying. |
| [21:23:15] | fedorared: | F13 is also much easier than previously. rpmforge repository and go |
| [21:23:23] | sphery: | [R]: that and all the other crazy people who were--in spite of being told it breaks things--applying the patch to "fix" MythWeb to work with an unsupported version of PHP |
| [21:23:26] | [R]: | one shoudln't be using fedora on a system they won't upgrade |
| [21:23:53] | [R]: | then again... one shodun't be using any dist that has a very short lifespan on a systme they won't upgrade |
| [21:23:59] | sphery: | and since PHP5.3 is available for F6 and above... |
| [21:24:29] | sphery: | [R]: and more importantly, one shouldn't expect the latest trunk to work with <insert old distro name> |
| [21:25:05] | fedorared: | I can work with hacked up and old Fedora packages but I like updating things. |
| [21:25:06] | sphery: | if you're unwilling to upgrade the underlying system, you shouldn't be running unstable, development code in the first place |
| [21:25:25] | [R]: | yeah |
| [21:25:45] | Beirdo: | like mythtv |
| [21:25:46] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:25:52] | ** Beirdo ducks and runs ** | |
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| [21:31:20] | Beirdo: | OMG, this is hilarious |
| [21:32:10] | wagnerrp: | im surprised there was never any indignant response to my comment, like 'stop being such a dick, ill stay outdated if i want' |
| [21:32:35] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [21:32:36] | [R]: | lol |
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| [21:35:12] | sid3windr: | stop being such a dick, I'll run debian stable if I want! |
| [21:35:26] | sid3windr: | I'll just add debian backports so I get a new php |
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| [21:42:59] | RogerM: | is this message when exiting mythfrontend the correct way anything to be alarmed about? Message: Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit |
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| [21:45:26] | iamlindoro: | nothing to be alarmed about |
| [21:46:36] | iamlindoro: | We all get that one, there's something not getting properly cleaned up, but since it doesn't harm anything, nobody has gotten around to fixing it yet |
| [21:47:46] | Gibby_2: | I am trying to understand VDPAU so I can order some frontends..... From my understanding so far VDPAU is based on resolution and that it can not play H.264/HD-PVR and Xv for Mpeg2... Is that correct? |
| [21:48:17] | iamlindoro: | 100% wrong |
| [21:48:41] | iamlindoro: | VDPAU is not based on resolution at all, it can play H.264, and not sure what "Xv for MPEG-2" means, but VDPAU handles that too |
| [21:48:41] | Gibby_2: | well then someone needs to fix the wiki on it! |
| [21:48:59] | iamlindoro: | wiki is fine, sounds like its your understanding of it that needs some fixing |
| [21:49:14] | Gibby_2: | Quoted from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau "In MythTV, it is not possible to configure video playback profiles to filter based on video format (only by resolution). So it is not currently possible to use VDPAU for H.264/HD-PVR and Xv for Mpeg2. " |
| [21:49:32] | iamlindoro: | that is correct |
| [21:49:39] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you are misunderstanding what it means |
| [21:49:45] | Gibby_2: | :/ |
| [21:49:52] | iamlindoro: | It says that you cannot tell myth to use VDPAU for one codec, and Xv for another |
| [21:50:04] | Gibby_2: | :) |
| [21:50:09] | iamlindoro: | you can only say "use VDPAU for resolutions between x and y" |
| [21:50:16] | Gibby_2: | perfect |
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| [21:51:44] | Gibby_2: | understand now, off to find a motherboard..... |
| [21:51:45] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: your HDPVR recordings: AC3 or AAC? |
| [21:51:52] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, AC3 |
| [21:52:11] | Beirdo: | have you been seeing any oddness with starting playback lately? |
| [21:52:28] | Beirdo: | I am only seeing issues with AC3 recordings |
| [21:52:38] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, no, I have not |
| [21:52:46] | Beirdo: | the please wait... and slow audio... |
| [21:52:54] | Beirdo: | Hmmm. K ) |
| [21:53:05] | Beirdo: | figured I'd ask someone with a similar setup |
| [21:53:09] | iamlindoro: | yeah, haven't seen that one I'm afraid |
| [21:53:18] | iamlindoro: | That said, there hasn't been much all to record the last few weeks |
| [21:53:38] | Beirdo: | k. It's quite distressing, especially coming up to a potential release :) |
| [21:54:20] | Beirdo: | it fails about 30–50% of the time |
| [21:54:44] | Beirdo: | oh, did you see my note about the MPEG-2 icon disappearing from the OSD? |
| [21:54:44] | Gibby_2: | VDPAU compatibility is based on the GPU correct? |
| [21:55:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [21:55:22] | Gibby_2: | see... i am getting it.... slowly.... |
| [21:55:24] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, And yes, I was just writing to Nigel who seems to have been the one to greak it... I think |
| [21:55:31] | Beirdo: | OK :) |
| [21:55:51] | Beirdo: | just wanted to make sure it got through, what with all the stuff goin on |
| [21:55:52] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:56:38] | Beirdo: | didn't really wanna put in a ticket :) |
| [21:57:24] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25889 |
| [21:57:27] | iamlindoro: | likely broken there |
| [21:57:56] | iamlindoro: | yes, he changed how they're displayed |
| [21:57:59] | iamlindoro: | hang on, I'll fix |
| [21:59:06] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, fixed in 25922 |
| [22:00:34] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [22:00:51] | Beirdo: | figured it would be simple enough |
| [22:01:24] | Beirdo: | heh. wow, that WAS simple |
| [22:01:55] | iamlindoro: | I am not sure he did the right thing there, though |
| [22:02:35] | iamlindoro: | Since the strings (including MPEG-1, MPEG-2, etc.) are already gettable from mythcodecids, but he seems to have started his own little subset |
| [22:02:42] | iamlindoro: | he may just not know that it's there |
| [22:03:31] | Beirdo: | yeah, quite possibly so |
| [22:03:53] | Beirdo: | cd |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, wrong window, sorry |
| [22:04:03] | iamlindoro: | it's those same strings that are the basis of the statetype names |
| [22:04:15] | iamlindoro: | and he's overriding them there-- even though those ones already exist in the other list |
| [22:04:22] | Beirdo: | does seem odd |
| [22:04:40] | Beirdo: | you'll have to see if you can chat with him sometime :) |
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| [22:05:07] | wagnerrp: | ugh |
| [22:05:14] | Gibby_2: | So how important is the Advanced(2x) Capability for VDPAU? |
| [22:05:17] | wagnerrp: | go to start gluing all this crap together |
| [22:05:26] | wagnerrp: | and here the can of glue is dried up |
| [22:05:38] | ** Beirdo hands wagnerrp some more contact cemebt ** | |
| [22:05:42] | Beirdo: | cement. |
| [22:05:47] | wagnerrp: | Gibby_2: that all depends on how much you 'need' that deinterlace filter |
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| [22:05:57] | iamlindoro: | Gibby, as important as having the best deinterlacer is to you-- the others are all quite good, but some people don't want to use anything but the very best |
| [22:06:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont want to go back out to lowes... |
| [22:06:28] | Beirdo: | Home Depot? |
| [22:06:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:06:37] | Gibby_2: | iamlindoro and wagnerrp: Thanks... guess I will look for the cheapest that supports it then .. |
| [22:10:37] | wagnerrp: | Khemicals you idiot... |
| [22:12:01] | wagnerrp: | there already is a (nearly identical) lircrc on that page |
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| [22:17:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:17:54] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you crack me up |
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| [22:20:41] | ThisOtherGuy: | hey all – I got --enable-crystalhd to compile, but myth doesn't appear to use it – is there anything I have to enable in the frontend? |
| [22:22:08] | ThisOtherGuy: | I don't see any new decoders in the playback profile screen |
| [22:23:01] | wagnerrp: | will all mysql tables have a primary key? |
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| [22:29:09] | Gibby_2: | I can't seem to find what GPU is in AT5IONT-I, all i can seem to find is it has "Next-Generation NVIDIA ION Graphics" |
| [22:29:30] | wagnerrp: | a 9400M |
| [22:30:27] | tgm4883: | Is there a new way to check the recording directory against what is in the database? |
| [22:30:33] | tgm4883: | since myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and myth.find_orphans.pl have been deprecated |
| [22:30:34] | iamlindoro: | ThisOtherGuy, is sounds like you don't have all the required crystalHD drivers/deps then |
| [22:30:42] | iamlindoro: | Should be there as a decoder |
| [22:31:07] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: not yet, sphery is working on replacing those scripts with built in functionality in the housekeeper |
| [22:31:15] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [22:31:17] | Gibby_2: | i might not end up getting one that supports 2x then, seems to be almost a $60 difference |
| [22:31:25] | wagnerrp: | i think hes planning on getting that in before 0.24 |
| [22:31:38] | tgm4883: | I just have a user that somehow now has 11,000+ entries in watch recordings |
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| [22:31:48] | tgm4883: | which is most definitly wrong |
| [22:31:51] | iamlindoro: | Gibby, Hrm? Just buy a GT 240 |
| [22:32:00] | wagnerrp: | or a GT220 for that matter |
| [22:32:01] | iamlindoro: | I paid $40-something, and it's better than a 9400 |
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| [22:33:05] | Gibby_2: | well i am looking for a asus or zotac mini-itx board with a 9600 or 220/240 |
| [22:33:17] | iamlindoro: | Well that's a lot more specific |
| [22:33:28] | iamlindoro: | if you want something on board, your choices are very limited |
| [22:33:31] | wagnerrp: | youre looking for those chips onboard? because youre not going to find them |
| [22:34:50] | Gibby_2: | There is a 9600M which would be on board, correct? |
| [22:35:02] | wagnerrp: | only found on laptops |
| [22:35:36] | Gibby_2: | ok then |
| [22:35:41] | wagnerrp: | i think the old mac mini had one of those |
| [22:36:47] | Gibby_2: | soo i guess just screw 2x, i want to stay as cheap as possible around ~200 |
| [22:38:14] | tgm4883: | to empty out the "watch recordings" screen completely, could I just truncate the recorded table? or is there another table I need to look at aswell |
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| [22:38:30] | wagnerrp: | recorded, yes |
| [22:38:53] | wagnerrp: | the housekeeper /should/ eventually clean out recordedprogram, recordedseek, recordedcredits, recordedmarkup, recorded.... |
| [22:39:11] | wagnerrp: | proper thing to do is tell the backend to force-delete it |
| [22:39:22] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, for 11,000+ items? |
| [22:39:45] | wagnerrp: | thats proper, cant say it will be efficient |
| [22:39:57] | tgm4883: | unless there is a command I can send to the backend, I don't think the user wants to go through one by one and do that ;) |
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| [22:40:35] | wagnerrp: | you just want to delete everything? |
| [22:40:46] | wagnerrp: | there are no real recordings? |
| [22:40:55] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, nope, no real recordings |
| [22:42:52] | sphery: | Watch Recordings, All Recordings, MENU|Add this group to the playlist, MENU|Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
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| [22:43:02] | sphery: | deletes it properly |
| [22:43:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and that will force the delete if the file cannot be found? |
| [22:43:24] | sphery: | nope, I think it will just skip those |
| [22:43:48] | tgm4883: | ok, files aren't there as far as we can tell |
| [22:44:12] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1928012 will delete everything, file or not |
| [22:44:15] | klucas: | the files are symlinks to things that don't exist on the backend |
| [22:44:50] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, and you just want to run that as a mysql query then? |
| [22:44:54] | sphery: | if that's the case, you can probably do the above, then MENU|Playlist Options|Storage Options|Change Recording Group, then put them in the Deleted recording group |
| [22:45:00] | wagnerrp: | mysql query? |
| [22:45:05] | wagnerrp: | no... python |
| [22:45:14] | sphery: | then just go to the Deleted recgroup, add all to playlist, delete the playlist |
| [22:45:23] | wagnerrp: | klucas: something like mythicallibrarian go nuts? |
| [22:45:28] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, see, I knew that too. This is why I need more sleep |
| [22:45:31] | sphery: | i.e. I think it deletes even without the file if it's in deleted |
| [22:48:05] | sphery: | guess not |
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| [22:58:35] | Beirdo: | mythicalifragalistic |
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| [23:09:57] | RogerM: | time go.. cya. |
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