| Thursday, August 26th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I was basing my statements off http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/ . . . you-love.ars |
| [00:01:09] | sphery: | I fully admit to knowing nothing about how online ads work |
| [00:01:37] | wagnerrp: | ad blocking is devastating to the sites that rely on ad revenue |
| [00:01:39] | phil____: | isn't it that the clicks are counted? |
| [00:01:49] | wagnerrp: | flash ad blocking is a time honored and supported practice |
| [00:01:50] | sphery: | according to that clicks + views |
| [00:02:43] | wagnerrp: | if your ads make your webpage unviewable on my laptop, you dont deserve my revenue |
| [00:03:08] | sphery: | if they don't deserve your revenue, do you deserve their article? :) |
| [00:03:09] | wagnerrp: | same thing with flash or intensive javascript ads |
| [00:03:16] | sphery: | besides, for readability, there's readability |
| [00:03:16] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [00:03:27] | sphery: | loads the page once (with ads), then reformats it without |
| [00:03:36] | sphery: | http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ |
| [00:03:55] | phil____: | well, another point is, you are not the usual internet surfers |
| [00:04:17] | wagnerrp: | the people who read ars arent the usual internet surfers either |
| [00:04:25] | phil____: | i don't think that ad blocking is something more than 20% internet users know about |
| [00:04:59] | sphery: | yeah, for ars, though, since they have a large base of somewhat-techie readers, they had something like 40% of people blocking them |
| [00:05:28] | sphery: | but my point was actually how does a /non-techie/ use the web in a browser with flash |
| [00:05:31] | phil____: | hm ok, sort of unlucky |
| [00:05:32] | sphery: | it's way too out of control |
| [00:06:05] | sphery: | at least ars refuses to allow ads with audio |
| [00:06:17] | phil____: | thats perhaps why "they" could not stand more than 4 hours a day in it |
| [00:06:29] | sphery: | but it's those others who allow it that are making people want to block all ads |
| [00:06:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:07:23] | sphery: | well, my approach--running a browser without flash--works for me, and my browser never crashes |
| [00:07:40] | phil____: | mine neither, but i'm using ad-blocker |
| [00:07:53] | sphery: | (or in 3.6.4+ speak, I don't get the "plugin stopped responding" messages) |
| [00:08:10] | sphery: | right, but I still contend that ad blockers are bad |
| [00:08:22] | phil____: | and i'm not surfing whole www, mostly research this and that, on a regular basis the scientific publications stuff |
| [00:08:36] | phil____: | but they don't have ads, you've got to pay to view |
| [00:08:44] | sphery: | and before anyone says, "But do you skip ads on TV shows?" (yes, bringing it back to MythTV and the commflagger), yes, I do. |
| [00:08:56] | sphery: | but that's /very/ different as it's a completely different advertising model |
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| [00:09:07] | sphery: | based on /potential/ views, not guaranteed views |
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| [00:09:35] | sphery: | and the distribution of ad revenue is very different, too |
| [00:09:41] | Shadow__X: | and a good portion of us here pay to get access to those adds |
| [00:10:11] | Shadow__X: | s/adds/ads |
| [00:10:25] | sphery: | (the site with the article doesn't get paid if you block their ads, but the advertiser buying a spot on Chuck pays whether I watch it or not) |
| [00:10:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: heres a good one, low voltage DDR3... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lovo-ddr3-power,2650-7.html |
| [00:11:15] | wagnerrp: | look at them amazing reductions in power consumption |
| [00:12:13] | Shadow__X: | imo its a shame rambus didn't do well they had speed years ago |
| [00:12:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I saw mention of that and its potential for use in servers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/03/micron_server_lrdimm/ |
| [00:12:14] | phil____: | can you set global saturation level for a capture card anywhere? |
| [00:12:23] | sphery: | hadn't considered it for my desktop system, though |
| [00:12:40] | sphery: | I know, I know. I'm destroying the world with my full-voltage DDR2 |
| [00:12:44] | phil____: | colors are fale, if thats the right word, dunno |
| [00:13:10] | phil____: | pale it is |
| [00:13:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did you see the difference? 1W on idle, 3–4W under load |
| [00:13:23] | wagnerrp: | roughly 1–2% reduction in power |
| [00:13:29] | sphery: | Shadow__X: "Didn't do well" = "trick a standards committee into adopting your patented technology without revealing the patents and then sue your 'customers'"? |
| [00:14:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and like I always say, it's not the first 70% of reduced power consumption that counts--it's that last 1% |
| [00:14:19] | Shadow__X: | sphery: is that what happened to the people who used their chipsets? |
| [00:14:52] | sphery: | customers as in vendors who chose to use RDRAM |
| [00:15:01] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [00:15:04] | wagnerrp: | what standard did rambus push their goods into? |
| [00:15:17] | sphery: | JEDEC DDR* standards |
| [00:15:18] | wagnerrp: | or are you just talking about the early P4s? |
| [00:15:27] | sphery: | yeah, back in those days |
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| [00:15:45] | sphery: | fortunately Intel had the money to buy out the problem after Intel chose RDRAM |
| [00:15:46] | Shadow__X: | didnt rambus and nvidia reach a licensing agreement not too long ago |
| [00:15:55] | sphery: | but when they were suing all the DDR users,... |
| [00:19:56] | Shadow__X: | it was fun times? |
| [00:20:13] | sphery: | exactly! |
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| [00:20:47] | Shadow__X: | am i the only one that experiences slow downs when they add songs to itunes? |
| [00:23:12] | Beirdo: | mental slowdowns? |
| [00:23:25] | Beirdo: | itunes... is... horrid. :) |
| [00:23:45] | Beirdo: | I've had it take down my laptop for 20 minute intervals |
| [00:25:37] | Shadow__X: | it doesnt take the machine down it but itunes likes to slow things down on the machine so i was just wondering if it happened to others |
| [00:25:43] | wagnerrp: | can you actually patent something that you produced as prior art 25 years ago? |
| [00:25:58] | Beirdo: | can you, yes |
| [00:26:01] | Beirdo: | legally, no |
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| [00:26:50] | Beirdo: | but people do it all the time by lying to the patent office to make it look new |
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| [00:27:10] | wagnerrp: | apparently nike recently filed for a patent on their BttF2 self-lacing shoes |
| [00:27:55] | Beirdo: | heh, wonder if they patented the particular way they flog the little children to have them assembled |
| [00:28:39] | Beirdo: | no, I'm not cynical at all |
| [00:28:42] | Guest22772: | china won't honor it anyway |
| [00:29:14] | Beirdo: | China can honor THIS. |
| [00:29:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.instructables.com/id/Power-Laces-t . . . lacing-shoe/ |
| [00:30:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw those |
| [00:30:53] | Guest22772: | problem with mythweb, will play individual songs. Wont save playlists, or play from the playlists. any suggestions |
| [00:30:56] | wagnerrp: | but this patent was filed some time last year |
| [00:31:17] | wagnerrp: | and the images they published look /exactly/ like the 80's style self-lacing nikes in the movie |
| [00:31:40] | sphery: | oh, no, time to sue blakebevin |
| [00:31:53] | Beirdo: | well, looks and actual function are two separate things |
| [00:32:51] | Beirdo: | oh look at the time |
| [00:32:55] | wagnerrp: | if you can patent a user interface, that shoe in the movie counts as prior art |
| [00:32:55] | phil____: | is there some setting for saturation for a card? |
| [00:33:02] | Beirdo: | time to go home and get my goodies. |
| [00:33:04] | phil____: | saw something like it in the db |
| [00:33:16] | wagnerrp: | the ones in texas? |
| [00:33:20] | phil____: | but didn't notice in the setup |
| [00:33:34] | sphery: | phil____: G in Live TV |
| [00:33:43] | sphery: | (multiple times) |
| [00:34:30] | phil____: | cool |
| [00:34:40] | phil____: | those settings are saved global? |
| [00:35:19] | sphery: | per-capture card |
| [00:35:28] | phil____: | perfect |
| [00:35:43] | sphery: | so use NEXTCARD (or MENU, then select other capture cards) to adjust others |
| [00:37:25] | phil____: | k, i'll hopefully remember if i someday buy a decent one |
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| [00:37:58] | phil____: | i've read about different habits evolving with easy availability of records |
| [00:38:25] | phil____: | but i don't know if it will have an impact on my because usually i don't tv that much |
| [00:38:52] | Guest22772: | mythweb error – there was a problem saving your playlist. Any ideas? |
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| [00:41:22] | sphery: | phil____: well, if you get a decent capture card, it will be a digital one, so those settings won't apply |
| [00:41:41] | sphery: | Guest22772: sorry, I don't use MythMusic or MythMysic through MythWeb |
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| [00:41:55] | sphery: | but I wouldn't be surprised if the mythweb part isn't up to date |
| [00:42:32] | phil____: | with digital capture card, you mean a card with an encoder on it or just for digital tv? |
| [00:42:58] | Shadow__X: | phil____: one for digital |
| [00:43:00] | sphery: | card for digital tv |
| [00:43:15] | sphery: | the ones with the encoder will allow picture controls |
| [00:43:24] | sphery: | at least ivtv would--don't know about hdpvr |
| [00:46:09] | Guest22772: | Is there a terminal apt-get install mythweb-reconfigure command? |
| [00:47:29] | phil____: | there's a dkpg-reconfigure for sure |
| [00:47:46] | Guest22772: | trying sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb |
| [00:50:26] | Guest22772: | nope...new plan. Had this happen once before. Ended up reinstalling the whole system. I can't figure out what caused the error. |
| [00:51:47] | phil____: | is it just mythweb not working? |
| [00:52:00] | Guest22772: | yea, everything else works |
| [00:52:11] | phil____: | what system? |
| [00:52:17] | Guest22772: | can save playlists through mythtv |
| [00:52:31] | phil____: | i did my installation during the last week, running on ubuntu LTS |
| [00:52:35] | Guest22772: | 10.04 .24 |
| [00:52:39] | phil____: | ye |
| [00:52:52] | phil____: | wait i'll try to save some list |
| [00:52:57] | phil____: | didn't try yet |
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| [00:54:31] | phil____: | can't even try it out |
| [00:54:52] | phil____: | did a fresh DB today, i dont have any music tab somewhere |
| [00:55:01] | phil____: | sry |
| [00:55:05] | Guest22772: | http://69.204.172.70:8080/ |
| [00:55:59] | phil____: | hm i wouldn't expose my myth ip ^^ |
| [00:56:11] | phil____: | aus deutschland? |
| [00:56:39] | Guest22772: | I will protect it, left it open for now |
| [00:56:43] | ** iamlindoro erases all of Guest22772's recordings, music, and removes his capture cards and rules ** | |
| [00:56:52] | iamlindoro: | publicly logged channel with 170 strangers... |
| [00:56:59] | iamlindoro: | sean |
| [00:57:11] | Guest22772: | no recordings anyway |
| [00:57:22] | sphery: | not yet, but we've scheduled a few for you |
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| [00:57:33] | Guest22772: | ha |
| [00:57:53] | iamlindoro: | also, you need to set your backend to run mythfilldatabase, your listings are stale and mfdb last ran 10 days ago ;) |
| [00:58:02] | iamlindoro: | (that's in mythtv-setup) |
| [00:58:28] | phil____: | lol |
| [00:58:47] | Guest22772: | no cable yet. have tuner but nothing to record |
| [00:58:48] | phil____: | Guest22772: now you've got the whole crew working on your setup :-) |
| [00:59:02] | phil____: | Guest22772: but actually i was able to save a playlist |
| [00:59:14] | phil____: | named aaa |
| [00:59:27] | phil____: | not very creative but... anyhow |
| [00:59:40] | phil____: | can you see it? |
| [00:59:54] | phil____: | perhaps you've got javascript disabled or something |
| [00:59:58] | phil____: | in your browser |
| [01:00:36] | Guest22772: | yea, you think it might just be my browser |
| [01:00:56] | Guest22772: | can you play the playlist from the window on the right? |
| [01:00:58] | phil____: | thats more a guess in the dark |
| [01:01:13] | phil____: | but can you see the aaa playlist? |
| [01:01:27] | Guest22772: | if you where able to save a playlist then It must be my browser |
| [01:01:30] | phil____: | i did it before so that seems to work, right? |
| [01:01:39] | phil____: | look for it |
| [01:01:42] | Guest22772: | yea, its there and I can play the music |
| [01:01:54] | phil____: | ok |
| [01:02:05] | phil____: | then the under the hood thing works |
| [01:02:09] | iamlindoro: | !seen sackboy |
| [01:02:09] | MythLogBot: | sackboy was last seen 455 days 17 hours 42 minutes 54 seconds ago |
| [01:02:20] | sphery: | long time no see |
| [01:03:16] | Guest22772: | Cool, well thanks I have an idea what is wrong, and it seems to be nothing to do with mythweb |
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| [01:05:11] | phil____: | you're welcome Guest22772 |
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| [01:16:16] | jpabq: | Beirdo, yes, I generally run trunk. |
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| [01:22:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Ok, trying a different USB port brought the HD-PVR back to life... not sure what happened with the other one! |
| [01:22:31] | ** J-e-f-f-A breathes a sigh of relief ** | |
| [01:25:42] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, Did your parrot chew the usb wires and short them out? I know from personal experience that is a common problem |
| [01:25:48] | wylie_: | J-e-f-f-A: what happened with them? i just joined channel a moment ago. My hdpvr's are a bit finicky |
| [01:25:58] | wylie_: | [one is not working... right now] |
| [01:26:08] | kormoc: | wylie_, check your cables and yell at your parrot too! |
| [01:26:29] | wylie_: | kormoc: The dog will have to suffice. |
| [01:26:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehehe... ;-) Nope. Just something flakey, that occurred around the same time my tv/internet was cut off cause my ball&chain didn't pay the bill on time... |
| [01:27:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: seems that one of the USB ports may have gone bad somehow... |
| [01:27:55] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, do a hard power cycle of the machine |
| [01:28:10] | wylie_: | I must admit to never dealing with the firmware upgrade and mod complaints of "[ 5512.067307] hdpvr 1–2:1.0: untested firmware version 0x12, the driver might not work". But I don't _have_ or more importantly want to run Windows. |
| [01:28:24] | Beirdo: | jpabq: if you could look at recordedmarkup table for any new 1080i recordings, and see what the values for type 32 marks are? |
| [01:28:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | I did, of both the HD-PVR, and my myth box. It didn't fix it... |
| [01:28:59] | kormoc: | weird |
| [01:29:07] | kormoc: | wylie_, I ran that version for years just fine iirc |
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| [01:29:15] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro and I both have ridiculously large numbers, and I was wondering if your new firmware box gave different results than the old firmware box |
| [01:29:18] | kormoc: | wylie_, what have been your issues? |
| [01:29:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: yeah... I may troubleshoot it more later, but for now I'm fully up and running again... |
| [01:30:15] | Beirdo: | glad the problem is fixable :) |
| [01:30:28] | wylie_: | this kind of business usb 1–2: device descriptor read/8, error -110 |
| [01:30:29] | wylie_: | [ 72.800027] usb 1–2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 |
| [01:30:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | wylie_: Mine both generate that firmware warning, but I haven't really had problems with them, except once or twice with heat (it's been hot in New England the last month or two...) |
| [01:30:57] | Beirdo: | come ON, frontend |
| [01:31:06] | Beirdo: | won't let me play?! |
| [01:31:17] | kormoc: | wylie_, yeah, I've only gotten those recently with the heat, hot area/days? |
| [01:31:26] | Beirdo: | die, you obstinate SOB |
| [01:31:39] | wylie_: | very hot. sitting in arizona. gear in a closet that runs warm |
| [01:32:26] | kormoc: | try putting a fan at it? |
| [01:32:31] | Beirdo: | that's likely a good part of the issue right there |
| [01:32:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | wylie_: I put a small fan blowing on them and my two STB's, and haven't had an issue since. (Plus the temps came down too) |
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| [01:33:10] | kormoc: | wylie_, there's a header inside that the lights hook up into, you could try putting a fan in there hooked up to that for power |
| [01:33:31] | wylie_: | I really need to have a closet with an a/c return in it's ceiling |
| [01:34:13] | kormoc: | likely just any exhaust will do wonders |
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| [01:34:41] | wylie_: | The effect is that the hdpvr's will sometimes never send any encoding. They will work, then not work. I can generally turn them both off, then on again, and at least one will consistently work again |
| [01:34:59] | kormoc: | mine always work after a powercycle |
| [01:35:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mine too... and I haven't had a problem with them since putting a fan that cools them... |
| [01:35:43] | wylie_: | but clear that heat is a known problem. will probably pull them out of closet to a room. really do have plans to add addition with data closet with a/c return in it. so in the meantime, get them out of the heat. |
| [01:36:02] | Beirdo: | hey. this isn't Warehouse 13. This is Eureka |
| [01:36:09] | Beirdo: | bad TV. |
| [01:36:25] | Beirdo: | but that's OK, I wanted to watch this anyways |
| [01:36:28] | kormoc: | they've crossed over |
| [01:36:39] | wagnerrp: | crossover shows usually are |
| [01:36:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, I guess, but so far it's ALL Eureka |
| [01:37:00] | Beirdo: | not complaining |
| [01:37:18] | ** kormoc waits for the Felecia Day Eureka episodes ** | |
| [01:38:25] | wagnerrp: | how come the whole time traveler clause never came up last time they did so? |
| [01:39:05] | kormoc: | it's a law that only applies to the new universe! |
| [01:40:27] | Beirdo: | bad TMS. they lied! :) |
| [01:41:12] | Beirdo: | one mistake is pretty good though. |
| [01:41:21] | wagnerrp: | they need to bring the football back |
| [01:41:43] | Beirdo: | I'll ignore that because yer from oHIo |
| [01:41:57] | wagnerrp: | ignore what? |
| [01:42:07] | Beirdo: | football lust :) |
| [01:42:29] | Beirdo: | my cousin's a diehard Ohio fan (she went there, so she's got the right) |
| [01:42:30] | wagnerrp: | warehouse 13, the pilot episode |
| [01:42:40] | Beirdo: | oh that football :) |
| [01:42:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:42:41] | wagnerrp: | there was a football |
| [01:42:52] | wagnerrp: | every couple hours, they threw it back into orbit |
| [01:43:02] | Beirdo: | I thought you meant... actual football... like NFL |
| [01:43:14] | wagnerrp: | that should have played a part in something |
| [01:43:32] | wagnerrp: | someone bad trying to attack, or break out of, the warehouse, or something |
| [01:43:43] | wagnerrp: | suddenly... BAM |
| [01:43:53] | wagnerrp: | hit by football, knocked out, captured, problem solved |
| [01:44:07] | wagnerrp: | come on, that would be a FANTASTIC ending |
| [01:44:16] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [01:44:28] | Beirdo: | got my velcro strips |
| [01:44:31] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:44:43] | Beirdo: | and my 4-way amp, but not the coax cables. |
| [01:44:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:45:23] | jpabq: | Beirdo, 2535078833 |
| [01:45:49] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [01:45:56] | Beirdo: | we are consistent at least :) |
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| [01:46:12] | Beirdo: | would you happen to know if that's from old or new firmware? |
| [01:46:26] | jpabq: | I don't. |
| [01:46:32] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, Have you asked anyone getting 1080i H.264 *not* from an HD-PVR? |
| [01:46:34] | Beirdo: | OK, fair enough |
| [01:46:41] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: not yet. |
| [01:46:55] | jpabq: | Actually, that is is recording right now-- it is old firmware. |
| [01:46:58] | Beirdo: | but the 1080i from the HDPVR is not filling the header correctly. for sure |
| [01:47:02] | iamlindoro: | Might be worth doing-- I think the presumption that it's an HD-PVR thing might be a red herring |
| [01:47:04] | Beirdo: | jpabq: OK. |
| [01:47:13] | iamlindoro: | or at least worth checking out |
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| [01:47:23] | jpabq: | Psych is schedule to record on the new firmware in 13 minutes. |
| [01:47:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, did you see: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1729 . . . dont-glasses |
| [01:47:47] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: don't think so. :) Other devices may also have bad data, but the H.264 is generated in the HDPVR, and it's not following the spec |
| [01:47:50] | kormoc: | Beirdo, HDPVR newest current firmware, 29970, 59940, and 2535078833 |
| [01:47:51] | Beirdo: | so.. |
| [01:48:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: thanks. K. |
| [01:48:18] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, But you haven't even *checked* any other sources, so to presume that it's Hd-PVR only is to hear hoofbeats and think zebras |
| [01:48:20] | Beirdo: | alright, I'll talk to mkrufky about it sometime soon |
| [01:48:25] | jpabq: | kormoc, are channel change failures working correctly now? |
| [01:48:26] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
| [01:48:42] | Beirdo: | even if he's not in that dept, he can at least talk to someone there to investigate |
| [01:48:58] | Beirdo: | I'm not saying the HDPVR is the only one |
| [01:49:16] | Beirdo: | I'm saying that it in particular is coding that header wrong for 1080i |
| [01:49:17] | Beirdo: | period |
| [01:49:27] | kormoc: | jpabq, negative, I'll pastebin |
| [01:49:28] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, But if it occurs on *all* H.264 input, then it's likely a libav* thing or an our code thing, not an HD-PVR thing |
| [01:49:31] | Beirdo: | I've read the spec for that header, it's pretty clear |
| [01:49:46] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, *or* that our available utils (all based on libav*) are getting it wrong |
| [01:49:51] | Beirdo: | well, our code pulls out 29.97fps for 480i |
| [01:50:02] | Beirdo: | and 59.94 for 720p |
| [01:50:14] | iamlindoro: | Which is promising, but hardly worth making a conclusion |
| [01:50:19] | Beirdo: | and I actually reimplemented it from the spec |
| [01:50:22] | kormoc: | jpabq, http://pastebin.ca/1925564 |
| [01:50:42] | Beirdo: | so I think it's worth having Hauppauge take a look |
| [01:50:48] | iamlindoro: | and spending the time of our contacts at Hauppauge if we haven't at least done basic troubleshooting to eliminate... |
| [01:50:50] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [01:50:51] | jpabq: | kormoc, I admit I did not try the new code with the HD-PVR, but I am surprised it does not work. I told the DVB channel changer to always return false, and the new code worked as expected. |
| [01:50:51] | iamlindoro: | fine, good luck |
| [01:50:53] | jpabq: | kormoc, thanks. |
| [01:51:23] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, May I see the code where you reimplemented it from the spec? |
| [01:51:26] | kormoc: | jpabq, the backend thinks it's recording (tuner is in use) but the file doesn't exist on the drive |
| [01:51:38] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yes, it's in H264Parser.cpp |
| [01:51:54] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, When was that? H264Parser is mostly by jpabq |
| [01:52:02] | Beirdo: | I used the same utils that ffmpeg uses, but it works just fine for all but 1080i |
| [01:52:21] | Beirdo: | I committed it last week, and I've had it here for most of a month |
| [01:52:53] | jpabq: | kormoc, those errors are exactly what I expect to see, and don't tell me that anything has gone wrong. Please go ahead and create a ticket with a complete log, so I can see more. |
| [01:53:10] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: by all means, take a look over it :) |
| [01:53:36] | Beirdo: | the spec for those headers is freely available from ITU-T in PDF form |
| [01:55:07] | Beirdo: | file name of T-REC-H.264-201003-I!!PDF-E.pdf, it looks like |
| [01:55:23] | jpabq: | That is the doc I used to write H264Parser in the first place. |
| [01:56:04] | Beirdo: | itu.int |
| [01:56:07] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [01:56:30] | jpabq: | I can double check your work, if you want. Won't be till this weekend, though. |
| [01:56:31] | Beirdo: | I just decoded more of one of the headers (the one with the aspect ratio) |
| [01:56:36] | Beirdo: | sounds good |
| [01:56:42] | Beirdo: | VUI, I think it was |
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| [01:57:19] | kormoc: | jpabq, that's pretty much all of it. Is there a -v flag you'd fine useful? |
| [01:57:35] | Beirdo: | the only thing I can think of is that somehow something extra before the timing info is there for 1080i, and I didn't decode it right, but I double-checked like 5–6 times |
| [01:57:36] | jpabq: | -v "record,channel" would probably be good. |
| [01:57:45] | Beirdo: | so more eyes on the problem may well help :) |
| [01:57:57] | kormoc: | kk |
| [01:58:09] | jpabq: | Beirdo, that spec is NASTY. Every time I looks at that code, I have to spend an hour reminding myself how it works. |
| [01:59:28] | jpabq: | kormoc, I will try to reproduce myself sometime, when my HD-PVRs are not in use. Seems like whenever I am home, my system is recording something, though. |
| [01:59:42] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [01:59:56] | Beirdo: | but at least they let us have it for free :) |
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| [02:01:01] | jpabq: | I am going to go read a book :-) |
| [02:01:44] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [02:01:50] | kormoc: | enjoy and thanks for looking into it! |
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| [02:05:17] | k-man: | afternoon all |
| [02:06:20] | wagnerrp: | aaagh... |
| [02:06:25] | wagnerrp: | gary needs a stabbing |
| [02:06:28] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: don't worry, I'll wait until jpabq has had a chance to go over the parsing |
| [02:07:08] | Beirdo: | and if we have non-HDPVR H.264 users who run trunk... I'd love to hear from you |
| [02:07:11] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, How about just asking one of the 3–4 devs who has BBC-HD? Then if it says "59.94" of "50" then you will *know* it's limited to the HD-PVR |
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| [02:07:22] | iamlindoro: | gbee, stuarta, paul-h, etc. |
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| [02:07:38] | Beirdo: | ummm, 1080i should be 25, I would think |
| [02:08:10] | Beirdo: | but yeah |
| [02:08:34] | Beirdo: | between janneg and the UK H.264 users, hopefully we can find someone |
| [02:09:58] | wagnerrp: | so what with this boehm guy posting about xbmc bluray pseudo-support on the mythtv mailing list? |
| [02:10:10] | wagnerrp: | a full year and a half after his last post |
| [02:11:00] | phil____: | n8 |
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| [02:18:43] | sphery: | wow, that mythweb post is huge |
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| [02:19:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yep, definately a stabbing |
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| [02:21:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [02:32:37] | Beirdo: | argh ARGH |
| [02:32:47] | Beirdo: | Please Wait..... |
| [02:32:55] | Beirdo: | play the file, you stupid program |
| [02:33:07] | Beirdo: | wonder what got broken now |
| [02:33:43] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh? |
| [02:36:44] | ** Beirdo shakes his fist at the frontend ** | |
| [02:37:00] | Beirdo: | that's enough of hanging on starting a playback... punk. |
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| [02:43:27] | Beirdo: | is there a setting somewhere to change the "Video timing method"? |
| [02:44:39] | kormoc: | opengl and something else,a ye |
| [02:44:57] | Beirdo: | where is it hiding it's sorry butt? :) |
| [02:46:42] | Beirdo: | ah, there's a checkbox for OpenGL vert sync |
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| [02:48:22] | Beirdo: | OK, now this is really making me mad |
| [02:48:36] | Beirdo: | once I watch one recording, it won't play any more |
| [02:49:45] | Beirdo: | it sits at "Please Wait...." forever, logging nothing useful |
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| [02:52:45] | Beirdo: | it looks like there's debuggin to do |
| [02:52:47] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [02:54:12] | Beirdo: | and here I was hoping for a simple night mostly of watching TV :) |
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| [03:11:46] | sphery: | kormoc: was saying that the guy who's asking about getting mythweb working used huge html fonts--nothing mythweb specific |
| [03:11:56] | kormoc: | ahh |
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| [03:13:05] | sphery: | sorry to wake you for nothing |
| [03:13:15] | kormoc: | heh, no worries |
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| [03:26:59] | TUplink: | my frontend isnt showing up in mythweb for remote controls anyone have anyideas as to why this is i can remote control the frontend on my phone over wifi |
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| [03:34:36] | sphery: | TUplink: did you enable the setting Enable Network Remote Control interface in mythfrontend settings? |
| [03:34:57] | wagnerrp: | if he can control it using his phone, i assume yes |
| [03:35:00] | sphery: | (in the main General settings) |
| [03:35:17] | wagnerrp: | can you actually control it? or does it just show up in the list? |
| [03:35:31] | sphery: | oh, I wasn't sure what that was saying without punctuation |
| [03:37:04] | wagnerrp: | TUplink: mythweb tests the connection listed in the database, to see if it can actually access the frontend |
| [03:37:13] | wagnerrp: | if the connection times out, it will not list the machine |
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| [03:44:52] | ** wagnerrp wishes 24hr hardware stores existed ** | |
| [03:45:14] | Gibby: | amazon does! |
| [03:45:21] | kormoc: | Walmart? |
| [03:45:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but that will take days |
| [03:45:25] | kormoc: | they have some stuff |
| [03:45:39] | kormoc: | everything is so cheap (if you don't value your soul) |
| [03:46:17] | wagnerrp: | looking for some 2" PVC, a T-joint, and hopefully something less than 45 degrees |
| [03:46:41] | wagnerrp: | i could deal with 45, but id like something less |
| [03:46:44] | kormoc: | yeah.... out of luck... |
| [03:47:43] | wagnerrp: | was looking at some desks on lifehacker |
| [03:47:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:47:50] | wagnerrp: | and got the sudden urge to build a monitor stand |
| [03:48:00] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [03:48:14] | Beirdo: | lie down, maybe the urge will go away |
| [03:48:20] | wagnerrp: | found some old spent 2" tubing in the basement |
| [03:48:26] | wagnerrp: | that crap is really strong |
| [03:48:39] | Beirdo: | so I go and run the fronted with -v playback... |
| [03:48:47] | wagnerrp: | i couldnt flex it, certainly a monitor (or three) wouldnt be able to |
| [03:48:48] | Beirdo: | let's see if it will hose itself again |
| [03:48:54] | Beirdo: | 3?! :) |
| [03:49:13] | wagnerrp: | well if it were just one monitor, there wouldnt be much purpose |
| [03:49:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, I guess not |
| [03:49:44] | wagnerrp: | now the bigger question |
| [03:49:53] | wagnerrp: | do i make feet, or drill it straight into the desk |
| [03:50:29] | wagnerrp: | i could rig it so there were two posts, and hit the existing holes on the back edges |
| [03:52:05] | wagnerrp: | could i stuff a DVI cable down a 2" pipe |
| [03:52:24] | wagnerrp: | do i have any black spraypaint |
| [03:54:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Been meaning to ask you (for just a little bit, now :), if a theme could do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/446944#446944 ? Mine doesn't do it on Arclight/0.23-fixes/1920x1080 (and for completeness, I just checked Mythbuntu). Maybe a scaling thing? |
| [03:54:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, shouldn't be theme-controlled, Sounds like a double binding |
| [03:55:14] | sphery: | ah, yeah, could be |
| [03:55:52] | sphery: | I thought maybe it was that thing Capt M was working on at one point where lists that are scaled have wrong numbers of elements or something |
| [03:56:01] | sphery: | but then again, maybe he fixed that |
| [03:56:14] | sphery: | or maybe I'm remembering something that never happened |
| [03:56:15] | iamlindoro: | nah, the drawn number + 1 should always be the amount skipped |
| [03:56:23] | iamlindoro: | but if he bound the key to page down and down... |
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| [03:56:40] | sphery: | I'm starting to confuse which stuff happened here and which in the Walternate Universe |
| [03:56:55] | iamlindoro: | we'll be seeing more of that universe sooooon |
| [03:57:41] | wagnerrp: | can only seem to find 45deg links, thats really too much |
| [03:57:58] | wagnerrp: | i could do a pair of 90s |
| [03:58:12] | sphery: | and I can't wait to see more of that universe |
| [03:58:19] | sphery: | I was really starting to like it last season |
| [03:58:29] | sphery: | (so glad it didn't die like all the other good fox shows) |
| [03:58:38] | iamlindoro: | will be every other episode this season, for the first half |
| [03:58:39] | wagnerrp: | they starting the season back up? |
| [03:58:42] | kormoc: | which show? |
| [03:58:45] | iamlindoro: | Fringer |
| [03:58:47] | iamlindoro: | Fringe |
| [03:58:47] | wagnerrp: | or are you just watching it for the first time? |
| [03:58:50] | kormoc: | Ahh |
| [03:58:53] | kormoc: | still haven't watched it |
| [03:59:04] | sphery: | I watched it as it aired, even |
| [03:59:08] | sphery: | it's a rare show |
| [03:59:33] | sphery: | thanks for the double-binding suggestion... I sent to the list |
| [03:59:49] | sphery: | didn't give you credit, but if that's it, I'll be sure to :) |
| [03:59:50] | iamlindoro: | np, it's my best guess and I've never see that |
| [03:59:54] | iamlindoro: | hah |
| [04:00:21] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, btw, the new OSD style is pretty sharp, I like it :) |
| [04:00:30] | TUplink: | wagnerrp: i added the hostname to the /etc/host file on the backend and WALAHHHH |
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| [04:00:42] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, thanks, I need to come back to it to keep working, but glad you like it |
| [04:00:56] | sphery: | kormoc: did you get the pro version with the $45 font from iamlindoro... Now that makes it a great OSD. |
| [04:00:56] | wagnerrp: | TUplink: so you dont have DNS setup? |
| [04:01:04] | TUplink: | not local DNS |
| [04:01:05] | sphery: | kormoc: the /fonts/ have animated flames |
| [04:01:15] | iamlindoro: | It's visual communication |
| [04:01:17] | kormoc: | sphery, WOWZERS! Sign me up! |
| [04:01:33] | wagnerrp: | they make a 4" 22.5... but thats really too big |
| [04:01:34] | kormoc: | My eyes are bleeding from all the visual communication! It's AWESOME! |
| [04:01:37] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, everyone knows that's the kind of thing people will pay for--themes with animated fonts |
| [04:01:42] | TUplink: | and no samba on either ot the for the netbui or whatever protocol it is just tcpip |
| [04:01:48] | sphery: | s/fonts/flames/ |
| [04:02:34] | wagnerrp: | samba, netbeui? what are you talking about? |
| [04:03:18] | kormoc: | Network Block Eradication Under Internet? |
| [04:03:24] | TUplink: | but i have another question..... has anyon got the buttons under the VFD on a Mozart SZ case to work.... i dont know wheather i should be looking at lirc or the lcd program for those buttons |
| [04:03:49] | iamlindoro: | I'm just going to swim out to the Beui |
| [04:04:05] | sphery: | or maybe a "Help, I'm drowning in Windows! Throw me a beui!" |
| [04:04:25] | TUplink: | LOL |
| [04:04:44] | Gibby: | which theme are you guys talking about? |
| [04:05:26] | sphery: | Gibby: the animated flame font thing was a joke, but kormoc was talking about the new Arclight OSD theme in trunk, that will be part of 0.24 when released |
| [04:05:56] | sphery: | All the OSD themes have to be redone from scratch since we have a new OSD theme engine |
| [04:06:44] | Gibby: | ahhh ok |
| [04:06:50] | Beirdo: | we like redoing stuff from scratch :) |
| [04:06:54] | Gibby: | how "stable" is .24? |
| [04:07:09] | wagnerrp: | thats a trick question |
| [04:07:16] | Gibby: | i knwo |
| [04:07:27] | wagnerrp: | then why did you ask it |
| [04:07:35] | wagnerrp: | no one could answer |
| [04:07:42] | sphery: | how stable is my cold fusion reactor? |
| [04:07:45] | Beirdo: | it will cut, chop and even julienne fries |
| [04:07:48] | TUplink: | BOOM |
| [04:07:54] | sphery: | (similar question--as neither 0.24 nor my cold fusion reactor exist, yet) |
| [04:08:29] | [R]: | sphery: oh snap |
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| [04:08:46] | [R]: | sphery: so then how would you answer 'how "stable" is trunk?' |
| [04:09:06] | sphery: | If only I could get more banana peels... I know I could eventually get that Mr Fusion working. |
| [04:09:09] | kormoc: | [R], that's an always changing target |
| [04:09:17] | kormoc: | [R], so again, YMMV |
| [04:09:20] | [R]: | kormoc: right at this very moment |
| [04:09:26] | sphery: | [R]: my answer would be, "Let me just say that I run 0.23-fixes on my production systems." |
| [04:09:34] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:09:37] | kormoc: | [R], I'm at least 24 hours behind |
| [04:09:40] | sphery: | and there's a /very/ good reason that I do so |
| [04:09:49] | [R]: | i'm too scared |
| [04:09:57] | [R]: | i want to play with it though |
| [04:10:03] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, but being a wuss... oh never mind :) |
| [04:10:11] | TUplink: | i wan Trunk for like 20 min.... well i didnt run LOL |
| [04:10:27] | fugdnscerd: | having trouble compiling the current version of trunk... says i must have qt version 4.5 or better. libqt4-dev is up to date, am i updating the wrong package or is my distro just behind the times? |
| [04:10:33] | sphery: | I waited until the TV season ended before I upgraded production from 0.21-fixes to 0.23-fixes (missed all of 0.22 because it was contained within a season). |
| [04:10:58] | kormoc: | fugdnscerd, what version is "up to date"? |
| [04:11:02] | kormoc: | and what distro? |
| [04:11:21] | ** iamlindoro guesses ancient ubuntu ** | |
| [04:11:25] | sphery: | but, I never lost a single recording due to MythTV (small likelihood of that occurring with -fixes, even if I upgraded 0.21-fixes to 0.22-fixes during the season) or due to me breaking something during the process of upgrading and running out of time |
| [04:11:35] | fugdnscerd: | says qmake version 2.01a using qt version 4.4.0 |
| [04:11:43] | [R]: | fugdnscerd: well there you go |
| [04:11:46] | iamlindoro: | 4.4.0 < 4.5 |
| [04:11:51] | Beirdo: | trunk has its issues, especially as we keep changing things :) |
| [04:11:58] | [R]: | iamlindoro: but it has more characters! |
| [04:12:04] | fugdnscerd: | am i updating the correct package with libqt4-dev |
| [04:12:21] | kormoc: | fugdnscerd, you need to update all the qt packages, whatever they may be |
| [04:12:31] | iamlindoro: | That is one of many packages-- all of your Qt pacakges need to be the same version, and to run trunk, they all need to be >= 4.5 |
| [04:12:32] | [R]: | fugdnscerd: you need a less 'old as dirt' distro |
| [04:12:35] | kormoc: | fugdnscerd, and given you still haven't said which distro, how can we know if it's the right packages or not? |
| [04:12:50] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [04:13:09] | Beirdo: | turn on the logging, and now it won't lock up the same?! |
| [04:13:12] | Beirdo: | fun |
| [04:13:17] | [R]: | Beirdo: ship it that way! |
| [04:13:22] | fugdnscerd: | its ubuntu... been a while since i upgraded... cant remember how to check distro version |
| [04:13:35] | Beirdo: | Covert Affairs time |
| [04:14:18] | sphery: | Beirdo: you actually made me want to see that show |
| [04:14:24] | iamlindoro: | Anything newer than 9.04 should have Qt 4.5 IIRC |
| [04:14:27] | fugdnscerd: | its ubuntu hardy |
| [04:14:29] | [R]: | rofl |
| [04:14:30] | sphery: | unfortunately, USA isn't available on my antenna |
| [04:14:38] | [R]: | fugdnscerd: like i said... old as dirt |
| [04:14:46] | kormoc: | sphery, you would figure a distance of 0 would be available.... |
| [04:14:48] | iamlindoro: | fugdnscerd, So you are two years old-- need a newer distro to get newer Qt |
| [04:15:20] | sphery: | so, hardy is in its terrible 2's, now... |
| [04:15:27] | sphery: | thus the tantrums when you try to run trunk on it |
| [04:15:32] | Beirdo: | sphery: sorry, man... check hulu maybe/ |
| [04:15:46] | fugdnscerd: | okay, sucks will have to do a complete wipe and install... lots of stuff to backup and restore! dist-upgrade didnt work :( oh well looks like i got my work cut out for me |
| [04:15:50] | kormoc: | Beirdo, he doesn't do flash as well! |
| [04:16:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:16:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: I'll await a full report on the season from you. It may join my, "Buy the DVDs" list. |
| [04:16:24] | iamlindoro: | fugdnscerd, Did you run your distro-provided upgrade tool? ie, the GUI one? dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade you to newer versions of the whole distro |
| [04:16:47] | fugdnscerd: | yeah tried them both, neither was successful |
| [04:17:02] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: it can if you know how to set /etc/apt/sources.list |
| [04:17:03] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [04:17:10] | sphery: | Beirdo: the one problem with it is that I don't know that I could see Jake 2.0 as a real spy. |
| [04:17:49] | Beirdo: | a *blind* spy |
| [04:18:16] | sphery: | true, but not an accidental spy |
| [04:18:23] | sphery: | (maybe accident-prone, but ...) |
| [04:18:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:19:00] | Beirdo: | after commflagging this stupid episode TWICE today... |
| [04:19:10] | Beirdo: | commskip SHOULD work |
| [04:19:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:19:21] | fugdnscerd: | been a little while since i tried last time tho, I'll try again maybe the package it hung on has been updated or something |
| [04:24:24] | fugdnscerd: | iamlindoro: what exactly does dist-upgrade upgrade? |
| [04:24:35] | kormoc: | fugdnscerd, you'll want to ask in #ubuntu |
| [04:24:44] | fugdnscerd: | thanks sorry |
| [04:24:50] | kormoc: | A fair number (if not most) don't use Ubuntu |
| [04:24:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:25:03] | Beirdo: | I do, but #ubuntu |
| [04:25:49] | Gibby: | what do you use then? |
| [04:26:41] | Beirdo: | MythTV |
| [04:27:36] | wagnerrp: | mythtv as a distro? cool! |
| [04:27:55] | fugdnscerd: | where do i get a copy of that lol |
| [04:28:13] | wagnerrp: | i hear some guy on the mailing list just created one |
| [04:28:26] | wagnerrp: | all you have to do is buy a crappy, underpowered, wall wart |
| [04:28:34] | Beirdo: | the kernel's in bash? |
| [04:28:38] | kormoc: | Gibby, I personally use Gentoo |
| [04:29:10] | Beirdo: | penguins++ |
| [04:29:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: real men use a busier box than bash |
| [04:29:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:29:24] | wagnerrp: | real tvs too |
| [04:29:27] | wagnerrp: | apparently |
| [04:29:28] | Gibby: | hahaha |
| [04:29:41] | kormoc: | I always was told that What's old is new again, but who knew that 286's were back in style |
| [04:31:50] | Beirdo: | how about some plaid bellbottoms? |
| [04:32:35] | kormoc: | Yup, hipsters brought that back |
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| [06:02:09] | [R]: | hrm, do you think M*A*S*H from AMCHD is real hd? |
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| [06:02:20] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [06:02:28] | [R]: | because amc sucks? |
| [06:02:52] | wagnerrp: | because they probably use the same 480i print as everyone else |
| [06:03:24] | Beirdo: | because M*A*S*H was recorded in SD, not HD would be my bet |
| [06:03:28] | [R]: | the movie |
| [06:03:30] | [R]: | not the show |
| [06:03:48] | iamlindoro: | woot, DVD and Blu-ray via SG committed! |
| [06:03:51] | ** iamlindoro cheers Captain_Murdoch ** | |
| [06:03:56] | Beirdo: | movie?! |
| [06:04:03] | Beirdo: | blah |
| [06:04:31] | Beirdo: | we are gonna have such a fun bug-soaking period this release |
| [06:04:48] | Beirdo: | I just hope we find and fix all the big ones :) |
| [06:05:26] | wagnerrp: | so now that that is resolved, going to wipe out local files now or for 0.25? |
| [06:05:53] | Beirdo: | Umm, I'd suggest 0.25, but whatever works :) |
| [06:05:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:06:23] | Beirdo: | I'll get mythgallery on SG in 0.25, I think |
| [06:06:38] | Beirdo: | unless Captain_Murdoch goes crazy and does it before then |
| [06:06:47] | [R]: | accelerated commflagging for the crystalhd... is it possible to get this working with vdpau? |
| [06:06:57] | wagnerrp: | [R]: in theory |
| [06:06:58] | [R]: | i don't really see how that makes sense though |
| [06:07:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo, nah. :) |
| [06:07:11] | [R]: | do you get access to the buffer in vdpau? |
| [06:07:13] | Beirdo: | just think of it as GPU decoding |
| [06:07:14] | wagnerrp: | the crystalhd is designed as a decoder chip |
| [06:07:21] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: OK then, no prob :) |
| [06:07:24] | wagnerrp: | you pass compressed video in, you get uncompressed video out |
| [06:07:37] | [R]: | i know the crystalhd it makes sense |
| [06:07:48] | wagnerrp: | where as VDPAU, you would have to hit the decoded textures through opengl before they get rendered |
| [06:08:03] | [R]: | maybe that could be my contribution to myth |
| [06:08:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, still can do it, just trickier :) |
| [06:08:07] | [R]: | probalby not thoguh |
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| [06:12:32] | [R]: | On all released DVDs, both in Region 2 (Europe, including the UK) and Region 1 (including the U.S.), there is an option to watch the show with or without the laugh track |
| [06:12:33] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:12:38] | [R]: | (talking about M*A*S*H) |
| [06:13:02] | wagnerrp: | the movie had a laugh track? |
| [06:13:22] | [R]: | no, the show |
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| [06:16:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, RE: getting rid of local file support, we still need that for removable media I'd think. also, this commit doesn't handle encrypted DVDs. I have a prototype solution for that, but haven't had a chance to finish it and test yet. that would allow storing encrypted ISOs on the backend if it works properly. the hard part is that we dlopen libdvdcss instead of including it, and there's no file I/O api in it, so I c |
| [06:16:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | an't fix it like I did the non-encrypted stuff (which will get reworked again for 0.25 hopefully. |
| [06:17:05] | [R]: | who rips encrypted isos? |
| [06:17:18] | Gibby: | :) |
| [06:17:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | dunno, some people do though I've been told |
| [06:18:00] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: right, but the local file support for use with removable media should be designed specifically for removable media |
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| [06:18:18] | wagnerrp: | perhaps some generic frontend setup where you can define paths to removable content, similar to storage groups |
| [06:18:35] | wagnerrp: | and any of the plugins can pull what content they want from those paths |
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| [07:16:27] | toeb: | Hi i found some time ago a patch to fix the deactivation of xscreensaver while LiveTV is playing... has anyone a link? |
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| [07:58:07] | toeb: | think i found it.. |
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| [08:27:22] | justinh: | Oh boy. I wish ML folks would learn to trim text they quote. Someone quotes about 300 lines of text and adds a simple |
| [08:27:29] | justinh: | 'no' at the end. Gah |
| [08:43:09] | justinh: | You want to mount 2 hard disks on a plate side by side but you 'design' it so the screwholes face each other, 40mm apart. YOU FAIL! Sigh, I dunno what planet our mechanical design guys live on |
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| [10:28:48] | ComradeHaz`: | Hi all. Could you chaps recommend some GPU's at me. I have bought a GT220 but turns out under linux their fans run flat out and none of the usual ways of getting 'round this help so I'm gonna have to find somethig else... |
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| [10:29:14] | justinh: | shoulda bought fanless, then :-) |
| [10:30:58] | ComradeHaz`: | Well, that's what I will probably do this time |
| [10:31:20] | ComradeHaz`: | though in my defense a fanned card, with nvidia drivers is normally pretty quiet |
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| [10:31:36] | ComradeHaz`: | certainly add in nvclock to pin it at 25% and you're normally sorted. |
| [10:31:53] | ComradeHaz`: | certainly that's what I do in numerous other linux boxes I have |
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| [10:58:36] | justinh: | http://transtekmagnetics.com/aboutus/companypolicy.asp & ndash; har har |
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| [11:06:46] | simonckenyon: | just realised that my sky hd box is running linux. not sure how hackable it is. would make a nice be (or a nice fe for that matter) |
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| [11:09:29] | justinh: | how hackable it is: NOT AT ALL :-)( |
| [11:10:17] | justinh: | most STBs these days run something linuxy, with stupid loads of stuff on top which is why they pretty much all suck |
| [11:10:55] | justinh: | the biggest obstacle to getting something like myth working on *any* of them is driver support for all the hardware decoding chipsets |
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| [11:11:09] | justinh: | that & the very limited amount of RAM the boxes have |
| [11:11:29] | simonckenyon: | as part of the code dump they include patches to openssh |
| [11:11:47] | justinh: | but then if they all had more RAM maybe the software operators put on them wouldn't suck so badly people want to run things like mythtv on them ;-) |
| [11:12:15] | justinh: | simonckenyon: so what? openssh isn't going to get you hardware accelerated decoding of h.264 HDTV |
| [11:12:42] | simonckenyon: | justinh: but it might get you into the box |
| [11:12:58] | justinh: | if their network port is even enabled |
| [11:13:24] | simonckenyon: | it is |
| [11:13:43] | justinh: | good luck with that then. Give you 10 years to make something happen :-) |
| [11:14:26] | justinh: | oo, the Sky HD box has 128MB RAM! |
| [11:14:53] | justinh: | that's quite a lot for a set top box |
| [11:15:15] | justinh: | also explains why their UI looks like ass |
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| [11:15:50] | simonckenyon: | i was just wondering |
| [11:16:14] | justinh: | yeah well plenty people just wonder, without ever *really* thinking too much about the practicalities ;-) |
| [11:16:46] | justinh: | mind, the dreambox folks manage to make non-sucky gear on very similar hardware bases – so we all know it's possible |
| [11:17:23] | justinh: | you'd have much more luck getting a dreambox to run mythfrontend.. not that it's in any way going to be a breeze |
| [11:17:30] | greg__: | I'm trying to get a TV card to work in linux and I'm a bit stuck. The card is a Hauppauge 1250. It is recognized and the drivers are loaded but no /dev/dvb or /dev/video or similar entries are created so I cant use it. Any ideas? |
| [11:17:39] | justinh: | at least for that you can download actual source code |
| [11:17:54] | justinh: | greg__: I think you need to be asking that in #linuxtv |
| [11:18:24] | greg__: | justinh Okay, sorry, I was pointed here. I'll try over there. |
| [11:18:32] | justinh: | greg__: your first port of call will be looking in the output of dmesg.. and the nice folks in #linuxtv will likely say that |
| [11:18:37] | justinh: | greg__: who pointed you here? |
| [11:19:00] | greg__: | A guy in the over at #suse |
| [11:19:17] | justinh: | ah okay. people think "tv card" & just assume ;-) |
| [11:19:33] | greg__: | No problem. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. |
| [11:19:46] | justinh: | don't expect an instant answer in #linuxtv though.. but dmesg will likely give you more of a clue what's going on |
| [11:20:08] | greg__: | I'll play around with dmesg a bit before I head over there then, see if I can't figure it out. |
| [11:20:34] | greg__: | Thanks again. |
| [11:21:07] | justinh: | btw according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250 analog isn't working yet |
| [11:21:45] | justinh: | just to save you wasting your time trying to make it work :) |
| [11:22:08] | justinh: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1250 |
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| [11:27:56] | mcastles: | does anyone run mythtv on a 16:10 screen and if so does your OSD theme stretch vertically? |
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| [11:48:10] | justinh: | oh for pity's sake, users ML folks.. cut down on the excessive quoting & top posting |
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| [12:10:40] | justinh: | wonder if teh boxee box will ever see the light of day. can't wait to see what real tech mags make of the casing |
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| [13:03:49] | wagnerrp: | justinh: not to mention its a framegrabber, and you wouldnt want to use it even did it work |
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| [13:09:58] | wagnerrp: | simonckenyon: for an example of all the devices that run linux-or-something-like-it, check out all the lawsuits that busybox has brought against various companies for GPL violations |
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| [13:26:32] | skd5aner: | 3 cheers for r25858 and Captain_Murdoch! |
| [13:26:48] | wagnerrp: | and a beer |
| [13:27:13] | skd5aner: | 3 beers even! |
| [13:27:38] | justinh: | another thing to remember – a developer from Phillips documented his attempted to get mythtv running on NXP embedded hardware – with very disappointing results. If a guy with access to all the chipset docs can't do it... |
| [13:28:13] | justinh: | skd5aner: hic hic, hooray? ;-) |
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| [13:29:18] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [13:30:38] | skd5aner: | 1/2 of the "core" functionality things I've been waiting for in Myth is done for .24, so now I can't wait for release :) |
| [13:30:52] | wagnerrp: | the other being? |
| [13:30:59] | skd5aner: | and really, iso playback via storage groups is the more important one for me |
| [13:31:15] | wagnerrp: | just make sure to decrypt those images |
| [13:31:20] | wagnerrp: | no 'dd' ripping yet |
| [13:31:28] | justinh: | ooooOOOOO! The NXP chip used in Sky HD boxes supports 'up to' 256MB RAM |
| [13:31:42] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: improving multirec to work better with Live TV |
| [13:32:13] | ThisOtherGuy: | hey all – does anyone know if SchedulesDirect has an api to query details for all episodes in a series? |
| [13:32:14] | skd5aner: | but, I know that's a little less popular of a topic :) |
| [13:32:36] | wagnerrp: | ThisOtherGuy: no, but thetvdb.com probably does |
| [13:32:44] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I saw that... but that's ok. I do save all my rips unencrypted... |
| [13:32:58] | ThisOtherGuy: | wagnerrp: do you know if they use the same program ids? |
| [13:33:06] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [13:33:29] | ThisOtherGuy: | nope you don't know, or nope they don't? |
| [13:33:36] | wagnerrp: | they dont |
| [13:33:44] | skd5aner: | Actually – several of my older rips were ISOs from MythTV's DVD ripper – are those direct dd iso dumps or did it decrypt? I bet straight dumps correct? |
| [13:33:51] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [13:33:52] | ThisOtherGuy: | bummer – do you know if anyone does? |
| [13:34:09] | wagnerrp: | ThisOtherGuy: just what are you trying to do? |
| [13:34:38] | ThisOtherGuy: | Have you seen the posts about MythEpisode? |
| [13:34:52] | wagnerrp: | seen them, not paid much attention |
| [13:35:33] | ThisOtherGuy: | It's a module for MythWeb that links up your recordings/schedules with a list of all shows |
| [13:35:45] | wagnerrp: | right, i read the summary |
| [13:36:06] | ThisOtherGuy: | I like it, but the data source doesn't mesh well with the data in my db – I was hoping there might be a better source |
| [13:36:28] | wagnerrp: | meaning the show titles are all slightly off? |
| [13:36:39] | wagnerrp: | so duplicate matching doesnt work well? |
| [13:36:43] | ThisOtherGuy: | yeah or the episodes don't match – etc |
| [13:36:43] | justinh: | wonder if tvrage supports what it's doing |
| [13:36:46] | ThisOtherGuy: | exactly |
| [13:37:18] | ThisOtherGuy: | I was hopng there was a source that could match programids so it wouldn't have to be smart |
| [13:39:06] | skd5aner: | #8822 – +1 |
| [13:39:32] | skd5aner: | I always hit escape in movies thinking it'll take me back to the DVD menu and BLAM... I'm back to myth's menu :S |
| [13:40:47] | wagnerrp: | ThisOtherGuy: IMHO, that mythepisode things works completely bass ackwards |
| [13:40:49] | justinh: | I always hit BACK on popup menus wanting to go back to the previous menu |
| [13:41:19] | wagnerrp: | it should just make one generic catch-all recording rule |
| [13:41:41] | wagnerrp: | and then back populate the oldrecorded table with stuff you have already seen |
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| [13:42:15] | wagnerrp: | rather than making rules for individual episodes |
| [13:42:28] | justinh: | aye that's gonna get very messy quite quickly |
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| [13:43:05] | wagnerrp: | with tvwish, it was intended to work with movies |
| [13:43:15] | wagnerrp: | and movies being independent entities, thats the only way it could work |
| [13:43:26] | wagnerrp: | tv shows, that just doesnt make any sense to do it that way |
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| [13:51:37] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha... |
| [13:51:58] | wagnerrp: | http://idle.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1767 . . . cid=33380498 |
| [13:52:52] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [13:55:44] | skd5aner: | I wish myth could display recordings in "original airdate" order... I'm assuming that's not possible yet |
| [13:56:41] | justinh: | no point for me |
| [13:56:58] | justinh: | original airdate is never provided by my xmltv provider |
| [13:57:04] | justinh: | and even if it was I'd never trust it |
| [13:57:32] | justinh: | shouldn't be hard to add that to mythfrontend though |
| [13:57:43] | wagnerrp: | so the python bindings are broken for like... all of england? |
| [13:58:05] | simonckenyon: | wagnerrp: they haven't gone after sky, who seem to have done a pretty good job of shipping all the gpl code they use. pity that device drivers don't get covered by the kernel gpl |
| [13:58:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I'd assume the original airdate field is just blank, or set to the same as the broadcast date |
| [13:58:37] | justinh: | simonckenyon: Sky don't make the boxes anyway |
| [13:58:46] | justinh: | Pace & Amstrad |
| [13:58:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres some code in the bindings that expects that field is populated with something |
| [13:59:34] | justinh: | originalairdate.. NULL |
| [13:59:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah, someone was in here yesterday mentioning that issue |
| [14:00:40] | justinh: | dunno why anybody would even care about the original airdate if broadcasters tend to show things in the right order |
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| [14:01:06] | wagnerrp: | reruns? |
| [14:01:40] | justinh: | meh |
| [14:01:56] | justinh: | still, don't see much point adding yet another feature I won't be able to use :-) |
| [14:02:31] | justinh: | reruns are why we have the REPEAT tag aren't they? |
| [14:02:49] | justinh: | not that they're always flagged properly mind |
| [14:03:01] | ** skd5aner supposes it's about time to start polishing the changelog a bit ** | |
| [14:03:48] | justinh: | RadioTimes have only fairly recently added series & episode number to their listings |
| [14:04:30] | skd5aner: | justinh: there are several shows that I've discovered *after* they've been broadcast, either during the first season, or even after |
| [14:04:57] | skd5aner: | And many networks, especially cable, will re-air them repeatedly... |
| [14:05:03] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [14:05:16] | skd5aner: | so, I'll get an intermix of current with reruns... but I'd like to watch them in order |
| [14:05:19] | justinh: | maybe it's time for data providers to shove season info in there |
| [14:05:41] | skd5aner: | Arclight is nice, because it shows original airdate on the watch recordings screen, so I can visually figure it out... |
| [14:05:47] | skd5aner: | but I would like if it it would sort for me... |
| [14:05:51] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:06:04] | justinh: | I CBA to add original airdate to my new theme, for obvious reasons :) |
| [14:06:15] | skd5aner: | I used to have to launch a browser, go to epguides and see by show title what order I needed to watch it in |
| [14:06:37] | skd5aner: | CBA? |
| [14:06:38] | justinh: | was there not a patch to sort by orig airdate submitted sometime? |
| [14:06:46] | wagnerrp: | cant-be-arsed |
| [14:06:48] | skd5aner: | I think there was |
| [14:07:15] | justinh: | if there was to be a change to allow it I wouldn't want there to be a setting for it as such |
| [14:07:28] | skd5aner: | but, to your point – season based data (and episode order) would be a nice to have from the data providers |
| [14:07:49] | wagnerrp: | would be nice, but i dont think even xmltv has proper support for that |
| [14:07:56] | skd5aner: | I do know that tribune does provide original air date, but it's mnot always useful |
| [14:07:57] | wagnerrp: | you /can/ parse it out of the show number |
| [14:08:12] | wagnerrp: | but there is no guarantee that number is of any sane format |
| [14:08:15] | skd5aner: | for example, shows like sportcenter always show the same original air date or something like 1/1/1979 |
| [14:08:18] | wagnerrp: | or even in the proper order |
| [14:08:25] | justinh: | just add another UI option to sort by different methods, and remember it :) |
| [14:08:51] | skd5aner: | yea, some episode numbers are completely arbitrary... I think The Simpsons is a classic example of that |
| [14:09:01] | wagnerrp: | no, just repopulate recordings with data pulled from external sources (tvrage/ttvdb) |
| [14:09:25] | wagnerrp: | i think ill do that presently |
| [14:09:36] | skd5aner: | yea, I think a "mashup" of the data could provide a better, holistic picture |
| [14:09:37] | wagnerrp: | ive got most of the code in the bindings to support it already |
| [14:09:48] | skd5aner: | because you are the man |
| [14:10:19] | wagnerrp: | just wrap a couple lines around VideoGrabber and Recorded.importMetadata |
| [14:10:22] | wagnerrp: | let it run as a user job |
| [14:10:25] | skd5aner: | justinh: so, you're getting back in the themeing business eh? |
| [14:10:39] | wagnerrp: | oh hes been back in for six months |
| [14:10:49] | wagnerrp: | keeps saying it will be for personal use, and never released |
| [14:10:51] | justinh: | I am & I'm not |
| [14:10:58] | wagnerrp: | but then he was done for good a while back too |
| [14:11:04] | skd5aner: | you are like a tortured artist I guess |
| [14:11:09] | justinh: | I'm slowly chipping away at something for my own use |
| [14:11:20] | justinh: | I might release it but I most def. will NOT be supporting it |
| [14:11:27] | skd5aner: | blah blah blah... |
| [14:11:30] | skd5aner: | ;) |
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| [14:11:43] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [14:11:57] | skd5aner: | well, if only I knew that would have pissed him off enough to leave |
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| [14:12:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, didnt expect that |
| [14:12:43] | wagnerrp: | man epitomizes the whole 'you are your own worst critic' phrase |
| [14:12:45] | skd5aner: | I'm sure it was just coincidental at best |
| [14:12:53] | skd5aner: | yea, exactly |
| [14:13:12] | skd5aner: | I used ProjectGrayhem for YEARS |
| [14:13:46] | skd5aner: | only switched because of MythUI and to leverage the cool new stuff iamlindoro was doing because of it |
| [14:14:06] | wagnerrp: | gah.... |
| [14:14:22] | wagnerrp: | someone trying to use a HVR-1600 and Nova-S2 in the same box |
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| [14:19:47] | wagnerrp: | theres actually a surprising number of S2 channels in north america... |
| [14:20:52] | wagnerrp: | looks to be mostly network affiliates you can pick up with an antenna and an ATSC card anyway though |
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| [14:21:31] | Matt: | S2? |
| [14:21:36] | wagnerrp: | satellite |
| [14:21:44] | Matt: | ah |
| [14:22:08] | Matt: | I keep toying with the idea of seeing what I can pick up OTA |
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| [14:24:20] | wagnerrp: | http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html |
| [14:29:26] | Matt: | http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/Canada.html is more appropriate :) |
| [14:29:53] | Matt: | actually |
| [14:29:58] | Matt: | a mix of both is prolly about right |
| [14:30:17] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, both listings are pretty much garbage |
| [14:30:39] | Matt: | heh |
| [14:30:57] | wagnerrp: | half the satellites in the US listing are parked over asia or the med |
| [14:31:12] | Matt: | aye |
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| [14:36:26] | wagnerrp: | !seen jedidiah |
| [14:36:27] | MythLogBot: | jedidiah has not been seen here |
| [14:37:25] | wagnerrp: | where have i seen that name |
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| [15:03:46] | Matt: | ok, so where's the best place to pick up a decent balun? :) |
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| [15:04:21] | Matt: | given building a workable antenna appears to be cheap and easy enough |
| [15:04:55] | wagnerrp: | any radio shack, or decent hardware store, should sell them |
| [15:05:38] | Matt: | the annoying thing is my in-laws just tossed two they found whilst tidying up |
| [15:06:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: case sensitive? |
| [15:06:22] | iamlindoro: | !seen JEDIDIAH |
| [15:06:22] | MythLogBot: | JEDIDIAH has not been seen here |
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| [15:06:31] | iamlindoro: | hrm, we are misspelling, then |
| [15:07:16] | iamlindoro: | !help |
| [15:07:19] | iamlindoro: | !list |
| [15:07:25] | iamlindoro: | !search jedi |
| [15:07:57] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: no, just came across him on another forum |
| [15:08:07] | wagnerrp: | may have just recognized him from that other forum |
| [15:08:11] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah, he's been in here many times |
| [15:08:46] | iamlindoro: | suuuuuper obnoxious dude |
| [15:09:08] | iamlindoro: | he's also pretty antagonistic on the jists |
| [15:09:10] | iamlindoro: | er lists |
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| [15:12:09] | sphery: | !seen JEDIDIAH__ |
| [15:12:09] | MythLogBot: | JEDIDIAH__ was last seen 34 days 14 hours 59 minutes 12 seconds ago |
| [15:13:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know much of the innards of the scheduler? |
| [15:14:02] | sphery: | as little as possible |
| [15:14:12] | sphery: | why? |
| [15:14:13] | Linkeroo: | question on mythmusic of anyone can point me in the right direction, i'm finding references to this issue when searching, but no solutions yet |
| [15:14:15] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [15:14:26] | wagnerrp: | jamesba's question in the other channel |
| [15:14:47] | sphery: | ah, I'll go read |
| [15:14:56] | Linkeroo: | i want to use the 'directory' sorting method but it shows all songs as tracknum – title.mp3 and i want artist – title.mp3 |
| [15:15:04] | wagnerrp: | just wondering how you would record all of a certain programid or seriesid |
| [15:15:15] | Linkeroo: | i can't find where to change that in settings nor in the source |
| [15:15:18] | wagnerrp: | im not sure if those take precedence over title/subtitle |
| [15:15:53] | wagnerrp: | and i have /no/ clue where the power rules go |
| [15:16:40] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 'customexample' table, whose contents look like that would hold power rules, but whose name makes me think its just an example and not used by anything |
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| [15:19:11] | Matt: | I need to poke at mythmusic |
| [15:19:24] | Matt: | every time I sit down to play with it I end up being frustrated by the UI |
| [15:19:44] | Linkeroo: | yea it's pretty bad but i could live w/ it except for this minor issue |
| [15:20:01] | wagnerrp: | well there is a UI rewrite in the works |
| [15:20:21] | Linkeroo: | any ETA yet? |
| [15:20:25] | Matt: | I don't see why it couldn't have an old iPod type menu |
| [15:20:48] | Linkeroo: | if it's next week i'll hold off, if next year i'll keep digging in the source ;) |
| [15:20:51] | Matt: | although it is highly possible that it can be made to do what I want, I just haven't dug far enough |
| [15:20:59] | Linkeroo: | i'm not a programmer but i can usualyl find what i need EVENTUALLY |
| [15:21:06] | Linkeroo: | but it's after the headache usually |
| [15:21:23] | Matt: | I should also write a script to trawl through my music and re-tag that which needs it |
| [15:21:41] | Matt: | replacing ID3v1 with ID3v2 and adding tags where missing |
| [15:22:59] | simonckenyon: | Matt: picard is pretty good for that sort of thing |
| [15:24:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: customexample is just example clauses that can be used when creating power rules--i.e. a user-specific equivalent of CustomEdit::loadClauses() (adds additional clauses on top of what loadClauses() loads--where the clauses are "building blocks" accessible by hitting a button in the custom editor versus typing in the SQL) |
| [15:24:35] | sphery: | custom rules exist in the record table the same as others, but have some slightly different usage of fields |
| [15:24:36] | wagnerrp: | but where are the power rules actually stored? |
| [15:25:08] | wagnerrp: | do you just cram the query into the 'description' field? |
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| [15:27:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, subtitle is a list of additional tables (join tables) and description is the actual SQL |
| [15:27:30] | sphery: | there may be other fields that are abused, too |
| [15:27:46] | wagnerrp: | ill have to look into that |
| [15:28:13] | sphery: | yeah, it would be good for you to add some custom rule handling so that users don't have to manually figure out the proper abuse of fields |
| [15:28:24] | wagnerrp: | maybe abuse my own databaseSearch utility to generate the sql |
| [15:29:05] | wagnerrp: | thats the one that powers all the searchRecorded, searchGuide, search... stuff |
| [15:30:24] | wagnerrp: | you just give it a bunch of keywords, and it returns matching objects... searchRecorded(title=..., commflagged=False, cast=(list, of, cast, members)) |
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| [15:45:03] | wagnerrp: | crap... my markup table access is all broken |
| [15:45:20] | wagnerrp: | seems im supposed to use progstart instead of starttime |
| [15:48:16] | sphery: | that doesn't make sense |
| [15:48:33] | sphery: | perhaps we have a bug in the non-python code? |
| [15:48:54] | wagnerrp: | that makes perfect sense |
| [15:49:21] | wagnerrp: | why would you want duplicate copies of all the recordedcredits if you have a chopped up recording |
| [15:49:45] | wagnerrp: | say your backend failed, and you have 3–4 copies of the recording at different sections of the show |
| [15:49:48] | sphery: | for recordedcredits using progstart is right |
| [15:49:50] | wagnerrp: | this would share them |
| [15:49:58] | sphery: | but you said markup, so I thought you were talking about recordedmarkup |
| [15:50:27] | wagnerrp: | ok, seems my table access is half broken |
| [15:50:37] | sphery: | heh :) |
| [15:50:53] | sphery: | recordedmarkup and recordedseek should all be based on starttime |
| [15:50:55] | wagnerrp: | _Seek and _Markup are fine, ill have to fix _Cast and _Rating |
| [15:51:02] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:51:20] | wagnerrp: | and their respective searches |
| [15:51:21] | sphery: | (didn't remember the list of other metadata tables, so glad you did :) |
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| [16:00:51] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: what is it that jamesba is *doing* with the python bindings? |
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| [16:02:21] | sphery: | good question... |
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| [16:57:34] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Yeah, all the blu-ray stuff with the exception of menus is already in trunk/slated for .24-- blu-ray experience in Myth is (IMHO) the best on Linux |
| [16:57:38] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: dont know |
| [16:57:54] | iamlindoro: | bah, /me forgot to trim his reply |
| [16:58:37] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, sweet deal. Great work |
| [16:58:52] | wagnerrp: | i just know it means another person to check my work and API sanity |
| [17:00:01] | wagnerrp: | best or only? i thought the xbmc bluray stuff was only through windows, because makemkv bluray support is only on windows |
| [17:00:20] | wagnerrp: | or do the VLC guys have some implementation of their own? |
| [17:00:30] | wagnerrp: | the library is in their repository isnt it? |
| [17:01:05] | iamlindoro: | best and only out-of-the-box |
| [17:02:32] | iamlindoro: | mplayer and XBMC will now build against an external copy of libbluray, but nobody is packaging it, VLC and Xine have proposed patches, but all of the above only implement very basic support (ie, what we had after I first implemented it-- plays what it thinks is the primary title, no multi-angle, no matching of streams to their friendly language names, etc) |
| [17:02:56] | iamlindoro: | also the mplayer and XBMC implementations disable libaacs access entirely, so ours is also the only one natively to handle decryption |
| [17:03:37] | iamlindoro: | We are also the only ones to allow title switching (so you can watch all the episodes on a TV series disc, etc) |
| [17:03:38] | wagnerrp: | so the xbmc stuff yesterday was a completely 3rd party hack... |
| [17:04:04] | iamlindoro: | yes-- XBMC trunk now has support for libbluray like we do, but that won't be out until next year, and isn't nearly as complete as ours |
| [17:04:21] | iamlindoro: | the stuff from yesterday is some proxy-streaming hack from MakeMKV and does nothing but stream you a single title |
| [17:04:32] | iamlindoro: | (which, FWIW, you can do in myth too if you really want to) |
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| [17:37:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: check out that link on the mailing list to the review of the Zotac P-E |
| [17:37:49] | wagnerrp: | theyre using a celeron CULV with a 9400M and mini-itx board |
| [17:38:26] | wagnerrp: | much lower idle power, equivalent load power, and it thoroughly rapes the atom in terms of performance |
| [17:38:29] | iamlindoro: | they must be loosening the definition of what an Ion is |
| [17:38:36] | wagnerrp: | yes, there is that |
| [17:38:51] | wagnerrp: | they have a 9400M PCIe graphics card they call an ION too |
| [17:38:54] | iamlindoro: | No chance of that confusing people :) |
| [17:40:12] | wagnerrp: | even anandtech is getting the definition wrong |
| [17:40:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:40:47] | iamlindoro: | "I want an Ion!" "Which one? the GPU, the one with an atm, the one with a Celeron, or the one with a Pentium D?" |
| [17:41:00] | iamlindoro: | er atom |
| [17:41:04] | sphery: | if an ion is a charged atom, what's a charged piece of celery? |
| [17:41:12] | iamlindoro: | rhubarb |
| [17:41:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:41:17] | sphery: | mmmmm |
| [17:41:28] | sphery: | Now I might have to make a rhubarb pie today! |
| [17:41:39] | Gibby: | I don't see a P-E Zotac |
| [17:41:39] | Beirdo: | blast it, I want rhubarb! |
| [17:41:48] | sphery: | Gibby: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3869/zotac-ioni . . . vidias-ion/1 |
| [17:42:02] | sphery: | "NVIDIA's ION platform teamed up with an Intel Atom processor" |
| [17:42:02] | GreyFoxx: | is --enable-libfaad currently disabled? It's listed in a ./configure --help but using it returns unknown option |
| [17:42:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:42:20] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: it's no longer an option |
| [17:42:24] | iamlindoro: | gone permanently |
| [17:42:31] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: pretty sure it's disabled, I guess it got missed in the configure |
| [17:42:33] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: think it was removed with the sync--should mention...janneg |
| [17:42:34] | iamlindoro: | we should remove the help tag for it |
| [17:42:37] | sphery: | but I'm slow |
| [17:42:38] | wagnerrp: | the Japanese Sumo Association has given out 60 iPads to wrestlers for use as phones, as their fingers are too pudgy to type on a normal phone |
| [17:42:54] | wagnerrp: | sounds like they need poking sticks... |
| [17:42:56] | iamlindoro: | libfaad interface was removed from ffmpeg, thus it's done from our options-- ffaac replaces it |
| [17:43:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, and since the iPad doesn't do voice... |
| [17:43:15] | iamlindoro: | (without requiring an external dep, since ffaac now supports HE-AAC) |
| [17:43:20] | Gibby: | the P-E is not listed on zotac's site, I need to start buying from frontends |
| [17:43:31] | GreyFoxx: | cool :) I figured as much :) |
| [17:44:18] | iamlindoro: | If we still list it in help, we should remove it-- have another configure patch currently though so someone else can feel free to do that ;) |
| [17:44:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "The ultra-low power consumption, low heat output and ability to play HD video better than competing solutions of the time made it a difficult combo to ignore." (Where competing solutions = other Atom-based systems, not other low-power-consumption systems.) |
| [17:45:23] | ** Beirdo kicks sphery's soapbox away :) ** | |
| [17:45:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, a 1.2GHz C2D is going to be fairly low utility as well |
| [17:45:39] | sphery: | *crash* |
| [17:45:59] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [17:46:06] | wagnerrp: | bga956... is that actually an i3? |
| [17:46:08] | Beirdo: | how's the resident Atom-hater? :) |
| [17:47:15] | ** Beirdo can't wait for feature freeze so we can actually be able to work bugs without half the system being changed while we try :) ** | |
| [17:47:36] | Beirdo: | got incredible momentum right now though |
| [17:48:14] | Beirdo: | makes me wanna build out an 8-core box to just compile for me |
| [17:48:40] | Beirdo: | oh oh |
| [17:48:56] | Beirdo: | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libmythswscale.so.0, needed by /opt/mythtv/upnp-8801/lib/libmythtv-0.23.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| [17:49:04] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [17:49:44] | sphery: | Beirdo: are you sure the 50% CPU usage is actually usage? |
| [17:49:45] | Beirdo: | someone broke the build again, it seems |
| [17:49:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: i.e. it's not a busy wait? |
| [17:50:02] | Beirdo: | busy wait is still usage |
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| [17:50:21] | Beirdo: | and no :) |
| [17:50:29] | sphery: | not in the sense of "There are much better things to use CPU for"--i.e. in the event there's anything else to use the CPU on, it's not used |
| [17:50:42] | Beirdo: | um... no |
| [17:50:51] | Beirdo: | that depends on the priority of the process |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | the frontend will use that 50% regardless |
| [17:51:06] | sphery: | but in the sense of, "50% CPU usage is a waste of power," sure |
| [17:51:08] | Beirdo: | the commflag is a lower priority |
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| [17:51:47] | sphery: | in the case of the 7%/14% CPU usage, it was only used if nothing else was happening on the CPU |
| [17:51:50] | Beirdo: | if it were a low-priority, then yeah, who cares |
| [17:51:51] | sphery: | regardless of prioirty |
| [17:52:09] | sphery: | because it's a tight busy-wait, so if anything else is happening, it's not spinning tightly |
| [17:52:19] | Beirdo: | right |
| [17:52:30] | Beirdo: | but if it never schedules the other process... |
| [17:52:33] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [17:52:40] | wagnerrp: | so now how do i fix this thing... |
| [17:52:42] | Beirdo: | will have to investigate :) |
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| [17:52:53] | Beirdo: | now how do I make trunk compile |
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| [17:53:11] | Beirdo: | it's gacking out in building mtd |
| [17:53:26] | sphery: | well, you could test with priorities, and I do agree that it's not "pretty" to have it spinning the CPU, but if the CPU can't handle a reasonable task 70times/sec... |
| [17:53:48] | sphery: | Beirdo: you have current trunk? there was a fix for that just a couple commits ago |
| [17:53:57] | Beirdo: | well, that's my point... it may not BE a reasonable task |
| [17:54:02] | sphery: | [25863] |
| [17:54:18] | wagnerrp: | and 25865 (sorta) |
| [17:54:21] | sphery: | I would say that having a small animation is reasonable |
| [17:54:28] | sphery: | sure, we could probably improve efficiency |
| [17:54:37] | Beirdo: | I have 25869 |
| [17:54:41] | Beirdo: | and it's not compiling |
| [17:54:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, sorta :) |
| [17:55:09] | Beirdo: | a small animation may be precipitating a much larger task |
| [17:55:30] | Beirdo: | make distclean (again) |
| [17:55:46] | Beirdo: | and remove .ccache |
| [17:55:50] | Beirdo: | let's try again |
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| [17:58:01] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [17:58:11] | Beirdo: | I just heard a coworker use "Visio" as a verb |
| [17:59:36] | iamlindoro: | Heh, this HVR-950Q remote control is really awful... thank got I have no intention of ever using it |
| [18:00:20] | sphery: | wow, that is bad ( http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr950q.html ) |
| [18:00:27] | sphery: | it's like a keyspan remote for presentations |
| [18:00:59] | iamlindoro: | Pretty repulsive :) Remember when everything at Hauppauge was available as an MCE edition? |
| [18:01:01] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: going usb? |
| [18:01:10] | sphery: | he's going Windows |
| [18:01:13] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: Needed a USB tuner to work on Windows tunr support |
| [18:01:47] | AndyCap: | eew. |
| [18:01:48] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [18:01:50] | jams: | iamlindoro- it's a well known fact that hauppauge can't make a decent remote |
| [18:01:51] | jams: | ever |
| [18:02:05] | iamlindoro: | jams: Heh, but they used to *buy* some nice ones and sell them to you :) |
| [18:02:28] | iamlindoro: | The MCE editions of the tuners were all "just right"... but it seems like they don't sell any MCEs any more |
| [18:02:36] | sphery: | I still want to find a way to replace the squishy buttons on my ATI AIW |
| [18:02:40] | iamlindoro: | just a bunch of zilog garbage |
| [18:02:41] | sphery: | er, ATI RW |
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| [18:03:00] | jams: | which ones..i have yet to find a hauppauge remote that was worth giving away |
| [18:03:14] | iamlindoro: | jams: All the MCE editions came with the mceusb remote and receiver |
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| [18:03:21] | jams: | ah |
| [18:03:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you buy Lost yet? |
| [18:03:32] | iamlindoro: | and the nicest versions of the MCE remotes for a long time, too-- backlit, etc. |
| [18:03:42] | jams: | those are decent is suppose. Not my cup of tea but they are decent |
| [18:03:59] | wagnerrp: | down to only $143 at Barnes and Noble |
| [18:04:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I already own 1–4 on blu-ray, waiting for my next paycheck and I'll probably grab 5 and 6... not gonna get the complete set when I have so much already |
| [18:04:15] | wagnerrp: | ah, nevermind then |
| [18:04:18] | iamlindoro: | at 143 it *almost* makes sense to buy it, since 5–6 will be half that |
| [18:04:30] | wagnerrp: | sell off the old copies? |
| [18:04:54] | iamlindoro: | I kinda like having the standard sized boxes, though, where am I gonna put a pyramid :) |
| [18:05:31] | wagnerrp: | theyre not going for enough on ebay to come out ahead anyway... |
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| [18:07:28] | wagnerrp: | 2TB 7200RPM hitachi, $110 – $20MIR |
| [18:07:44] | Beirdo: | oooh. 2TB drive of death? |
| [18:07:54] | Beirdo: | or have they fixed their IBM heritage? |
| [18:08:03] | wagnerrp: | hey now... hitachi handed that off to seagate... :) |
| [18:08:12] | Beirdo: | no they didn't :) |
| [18:08:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:08:29] | wagnerrp: | no, ive got several hitachi drives, none yet failed |
| [18:08:35] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:08:47] | Beirdo: | glad to hear they improved |
| [18:08:57] | Beirdo: | Fujitsu, I will still not touch :) |
| [18:09:03] | wagnerrp: | theyve been going non-stop in my server for a couple years now, since spindown causes problems with my card |
| [18:09:15] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [18:09:19] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [18:09:20] | sphery: | I'm still running a Hitachi Deskstar that's been clicking seriously since Nov 2008. |
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| [18:09:28] | sphery: | darn thing won't fail |
| [18:09:33] | Beirdo: | sphery: yer insane :) |
| [18:09:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery: keeps excellent time though |
| [18:09:37] | Beirdo: | but we knew that |
| [18:09:43] | sphery: | heh x2 |
| [18:09:51] | Beirdo: | the Hitachi Metronome model |
| [18:10:14] | sphery: | no important data on it, and I really wish it would just die so I'd have one less thing to worry about |
| [18:10:17] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: probably issues with lack of power |
| [18:10:24] | wagnerrp: | too many drives trying to spin up simultaneously |
| [18:10:33] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, nasty :) |
| [18:10:36] | sphery: | but my cheapness wins out over my desire for not worrying |
| [18:10:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:11:03] | wagnerrp: | im sure a good half my power consumption on that UPS is from spinning drives |
| [18:11:52] | sphery: | you need to build the DIY delayed spin up device |
| [18:12:06] | sphery: | then you can send me an extra one you build so I know you did it right :) |
| [18:12:16] | sphery: | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/02/spin . . . ard_dis.html |
| [18:12:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that only works for bootup |
| [18:12:23] | Beirdo: | or you could use SCSI |
| [18:12:31] | Beirdo: | and tell it to spin up based on ID |
| [18:12:32] | sphery: | true, only for bootup |
| [18:12:51] | sphery: | heh, scsi... I'm not Microsoft--I can't afford SCSI |
| [18:12:54] | Beirdo: | the delay is staggered and based on the ID of the drives. :) |
| [18:13:05] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: my card /does/ claim to do staggered spinup |
| [18:13:09] | kormoc: | My solution? Kill them all and let the data god sort it out |
| [18:13:13] | wagnerrp: | and it shows up to the system as a scsi controller |
| [18:13:36] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not enough delay still? |
| [18:13:47] | sphery: | I have a single WD Green that has a jumper for requesting delayed spin up, but my BIOS doesn't support it, but I've been assured it will work, anyway (will just spin up when someone tries to access it)... Still have to test. |
| [18:14:04] | wagnerrp: | when i boot, i can watch the lights on the hotswap bays flick on sequentially during boot |
| [18:14:07] | sphery: | oh, and that WD Green is partitioned for MS Windows |
| [18:14:21] | sphery: | stupid Windows--I lose 1MiB of my 2TB because of it |
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| [18:14:31] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: this was like three years ago i tried spindown, i quickly noticed a bunch of errors on the console and some data corruption |
| [18:14:41] | wagnerrp: | i havent touched it since out of fear |
| [18:14:43] | sphery: | (but don't feel like re-copying everything off it just to repartition with my current knowledge) |
| [18:15:17] | sphery: | my current knowledge being that imparted from kormoc |
| [18:16:15] | kormoc: | DOOMED KNOWLEDGE! |
| [18:16:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [18:20:23] | totalanni: | hum |
| [18:20:28] | totalanni: | is the hvr-1950 |
| [18:20:47] | totalanni: | and the HAUPPAUGE 1192 the same thing? |
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| [18:21:16] | totalanni: | appears so |
| [18:22:46] | iamlindoro: | One is a marketing name, one is a product number |
| [18:23:00] | iamlindoro: | Just like the irritating people who insist on calling the HD-PVR the "1212" |
| [18:23:32] | wagnerrp: | so... ive got everything i (think i) need for this monitor stand |
| [18:23:38] | wagnerrp: | guess i should get to measuring |
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| [18:25:44] | totalanni: | ty lindoro |
| [18:25:52] | totalanni: | and it does support QAM in linux? |
| [18:26:35] | iamlindoro: | !tuners |
| [18:26:36] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:26:55] | iamlindoro: | !trout MythLogBot |
| [18:26:55] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [18:27:01] | Beirdo: | !url tuners |
| [18:27:01] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [18:27:02] | iamlindoro: | !url tuners |
| [18:27:02] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [18:27:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:27:10] | Beirdo: | in stereo! |
| [18:27:20] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [18:27:45] | wagnerrp: | masochist |
| [18:28:05] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [18:28:14] | wagnerrp: | the bot |
| [18:28:29] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [18:28:45] | iamlindoro: | ugh, my car has a tire with a not-so-slow leak |
| [18:28:53] | iamlindoro: | Need to get it fixed, to not want |
| [18:28:56] | iamlindoro: | er do not want |
| [18:29:15] | Beirdo: | sucky |
| [18:35:38] | Beirdo: | OK, mtd is still borked. |
| [18:35:45] | Beirdo: | I'll have to tweak here |
| [18:36:17] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: can just remove it from mythvideo.pro-- FWIW I am suggesting in #mythtv that we remove it permanently anyway |
| [18:36:26] | Beirdo: | ah. OK :) |
| [18:36:50] | Beirdo: | it's missing libmythscale.so.0 and libmythavformat.so.52 sucked in by libmythtv-0.23.so, BTW |
| [18:36:56] | sphery: | +1 on permanent removal |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | but if it's disappearing, I'll just disable |
| [18:37:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery: see topic, wrong channel |
| [18:37:12] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:37:17] | sphery: | My namesake (initial-sake?) doesn't deserve the name |
| [18:37:29] | Beirdo: | I'm good with it disappearing one way or the other, as long as my system works :) |
| [18:40:48] | sphery: | heh, speaking of things that should die: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1729909/uk-3d-tvs |
| [18:42:52] | Beirdo: | OK, disabled mtd build, this should be cleaner. dependency hell is just so much fun |
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| [18:59:35] | Beirdo: | oh wow, I never did retest the mythweather stuff last night |
| [18:59:49] | Beirdo: | passed out on the couch before I got a chance |
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| [19:02:54] | Beirdo: | oh nice. just got an SMS... in Spanish saying that I may have won a car. |
| [19:03:08] | Beirdo: | who gave you my number, wanker?! |
| [19:03:39] | iamlindoro: | Enough about that, go get your car! ;) |
| [19:03:54] | wagnerrp: | PR number? |
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| [19:04:25] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [19:04:53] | Beirdo: | I am so not interested in a Nissan Altima in PR. |
| [19:05:38] | Beirdo: | I already have a Toyota Yaris there I'm trying to unload without losing my shirt |
| [19:05:42] | Beirdo: | thanks |
| [19:05:49] | AndyCap: | brute force? |
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| [19:11:29] | skd5aner: | So, what's the deal with removing MTD? Just bitrotted? |
| [19:12:12] | iamlindoro: | see #mythtv for discussion-- wouldn't compile with the new changes, has always been a huge pain in the butt interfacewise, was never updated for storage groups, and the sole current MythVideo maintainer (me) has no intention of ever touching it |
| [19:12:57] | bobgill: | I sometimes rsync over recordings from mythbox to win7 laptop to play on the road, and I just setup Samba so I was trying to copy over recordings by copying the symlink (I use mythrename to put them in a recording-links folder), but Samba doesn't allow copying over symlinks, keep getting a permission error. Is there any way to get it to work? |
| [19:13:07] | iamlindoro: | Better to just let people bring their content in however they like, and deal with that-- mtd has been, for a long long time, more broken than working-- so yeah, partial bitrot, partial desire to be more intuitive, and part "I just don't wanna work on a transcoder" |
| [19:13:12] | skd5aner: | will do – I'm guessing that the word on the street will be the video import/rips are to be performed outside of mythtv now, correct? |
| [19:13:38] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: For the moment at least, yeah-- I think most heavy myth users stopped using the internal ripper a long time ago anyway |
| [19:14:18] | skd5aner: | Yea, I used to use it exclusively for a long time, but last several years I've leveraged old windows based tools (DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink, ripit4me, etc) |
| [19:14:34] | skd5aner: | I always thought it worked well, but haven't probably used it since 2007 |
| [19:15:00] | iamlindoro: | Interface has always been clunky, and it's been since before the MythUI port that it actually worked semi well |
| [19:17:15] | iamlindoro: | !seen gbee |
| [19:17:15] | MythLogBot: | gbee was last seen 5 days 7 hours 55 minutes 20 seconds ago |
| [19:17:27] | iamlindoro: | Can't recall if he said he was going on vacation or something |
| [19:17:47] | wagnerrp: | !seen stuartm |
| [19:17:47] | MythLogBot: | stuartm was last seen 6 days 23 hours 38 minutes 32 seconds ago |
| [19:18:36] | wagnerrp: | the XB360 actually supports ISO playback over upnp? |
| [19:19:09] | btwe is now known as btwe_afk | |
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| [19:19:19] | btwe is now known as btwe_afk | |
| [19:19:31] | iamlindoro: | No idea |
| [19:20:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh, it's only when removing something that you realize just how incomplete most of the themes are |
| [19:22:40] | GreyFoxx: | wag: If it does, that's new |
| [19:22:51] | justinh: | yeh but who wanted to theme stuff they didn't use huh |
| [19:22:53] | GreyFoxx: | you couldn't play ISO's or mpeg2 content over upnp last I used it |
| [19:22:57] | justinh: | not me :) |
| [19:24:31] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Yeah, but that's the prerogative of the non-core-themer... but if something's in the core, it sure as heck ought to be complete-ish |
| [19:24:45] | ** iamlindoro things we should swap the most complete themes into core, and the incomplete ones out ** | |
| [19:24:47] | iamlindoro: | er thinks |
| [19:24:59] | iamlindoro: | out to myththemes, that is |
| [19:25:42] | iamlindoro: | so Terra, Arclight, Mythbuntu, Childish in core, MythCenter, MythCenter-wide, metallurgy in myththemes, and third party themes available from the downloader |
| [19:25:59] | iamlindoro: | alternately, once the downloader is in, just pick one theme, ship it, and download everything else |
| [19:26:04] | iamlindoro: | which is probably what Captain_Murdoch has in mind |
| [19:26:43] | ** iamlindoro hates when he wanders his way to where others have already been ** | |
| [19:26:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep, probably makes sense for a 4:3 and a 16:9 |
| [19:27:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | or one that's OK for both as long as it's a nice representation |
| [19:27:34] | sphery: | I like 1+1 idea |
| [19:27:48] | sphery: | but we probably need a real 4:3 theme for adults |
| [19:27:56] | iamlindoro: | and it's NOT MYTHCENTER |
| [19:28:05] | sphery: | ("real" was not directed at Childish) |
| [19:28:14] | iamlindoro: | the floaty widgets on blue may make some happy, but it just does not make us look good |
| [19:28:21] | sphery: | real = not MythCenter, for adults = not Childish |
| [19:28:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | right now, the downloader has 2 states: 1) just show local themes, 2) show local and downloadable. it might make sense to have #2 be split into 2) also show downloadble 'blessed' themes, and 3) also show user-submitted downloadable themes. |
| [19:29:18] | iamlindoro: | I would work on something for .25 and make it very conventional, but I wouldn't do it if there was going to be a discussion at the end of all of that that just leaves MythCenter or Terra the default |
| [19:29:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | #3 would come in 0.25 or later hopefully. |
| [19:30:07] | sphery: | Wonder how Lite is coming |
| [19:30:27] | iamlindoro: | I would even do (gasp) a 4:3 and 16:9 version |
| [19:30:29] | sphery: | We could have Lite and Arclight in core, and keep a theme theme going |
| [19:30:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, yeah, I think we need a good set. Terra is nice, but I wonder how many switch away from it as soon as they install because it's so different than previous themes (horizontal vs vertical, etc.) |
| [19:31:17] | iamlindoro: | probably manuy |
| [19:31:19] | iamlindoro: | many |
| [19:31:39] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: only the people who don't lie down on the couch when they watch MythTV |
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| [19:32:19] | iamlindoro: | re: 16:9 vs 4:3, if the theme author starts with a very good set of widgets before he lays out *anything*, then doing both is not that much ahrder |
| [19:32:21] | iamlindoro: | er harder |
| [19:32:44] | iamlindoro: | also, if he doesn't attempt to cram every single available piece of information in-- you can't make everyone happy, but if you try, nobody will be |
| [19:33:23] | iamlindoro: | default was a "design on demand" theme-- as new widgets were written/needed, someone glommed something together-- but that doesn't make for much of a finished product |
| [19:33:48] | justinh: | agree |
| [19:33:52] | iamlindoro: | and then, as people added more textareas, they felt compelled to add them to default-- so now default is a messy theme that contains everything and looks like crap |
| [19:34:04] | justinh: | also agree to that |
| [19:34:11] | justinh: | TMI :) |
| [19:34:18] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [19:34:43] | justinh: | but at least there's much less font mixomatosis now |
| [19:35:04] | sphery: | at least for a while |
| [19:35:14] | justinh: | as for mythcenter's popularity.. I've never seen it myself |
| [19:35:41] | sphery: | I think that's also true of those for whom it's popular |
| [19:35:50] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: is there guidelines posted for what *must* be included in themes and then what *should* be included with themes, and everything else is themer's choice? |
| [19:36:12] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: The theme documentation shows each available widget, it's type, a description, and whether it is required |
| [19:36:18] | justinh: | IMHO there's not much can be done for menu screens until there's more scope for widgets which can be included on there.. they're all pretty much of a muchness |
| [19:36:26] | sphery: | (And I mean that mostly-seriously--that those using it are only using it because it's familiar. They don't really "look" at the theme when they're using it. They navigate by feel more than using the theme.) |
| [19:36:27] | iamlindoro: | very little is actually required, and the later something was converted to mythui, the more likely certain pieces aren't required |
| [19:36:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... "Import DVD" is dead, eh? I just thought I had some dependency(ies?) missing or the 'intentionally corrupt sectors' disks... I've been doing them manually for a while now... |
| [19:36:28] | ComradeHaz`: | Hi guys, how do I go about getting my remote control working? I have a Hauppauge one. If I go to cusomize keys and attempt to map a new key nothing happens (when I press a remote contol button). |
| [19:37:17] | justinh: | ComradeHaz`: irw is the commandline tool you should use first to check your remote is actually doing stuff. if irw doesn't produce any output, mythfrontend never will. Absolutely |
| [19:37:40] | sphery: | ComradeHaz`: what's "Customize Keys"? You mean mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys? |
| [19:37:52] | sphery: | if so, you need to update to current 0.23-fixes |
| [19:37:59] | ComradeHaz`: | Yes, sphery |
| [19:38:09] | sphery: | (or at least final 0.23-fixes before 0.23.1 release) |
| [19:38:12] | justinh: | run irw, and actually verify lirc is doing its stuff with every button on your remote |
| [19:38:24] | justinh: | first things first! |
| [19:38:26] | ComradeHaz`: | Trying irw... |
| [19:38:39] | ComradeHaz`: | Seems to see nothing. |
| [19:38:47] | justinh: | then lirc isn't working :) |
| [19:39:00] | justinh: | so you're wasting your time editing key definitions in mythfrontend for now |
| [19:39:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | IE: Your 'lircd.conf' is not configured properly for your remote control. |
| [19:39:30] | justinh: | this is where you'd be handed over to the #lirc channel, if there is one |
| [19:39:51] | justinh: | and if there isn't.. WHY isn't there? lol |
| [19:41:06] | ComradeHaz`: | truth is, I am not entirely sure what remote I have. |
| [19:41:12] | sphery: | or even the mythbuntu channel (or whatever distro), since each distro does lirc (and especially lirc config) differently |
| [19:41:16] | ComradeHaz`: | It tells me it's compatible with a whole host of devices |
| [19:41:35] | ComradeHaz`: | (Hauppauge ones) |
| [19:41:48] | ComradeHaz`: | But as for actual model of this remote: No idea :D |
| [19:42:06] | bjd: | bah |
| [19:42:12] | bjd: | radiotimes broken again |
| [19:42:30] | ** iamlindoro strokes his Schedules Direct ** | |
| [19:42:47] | ComradeHaz`: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/235416 Anyone recognise that ? |
| [19:42:49] | iamlindoro: | yesss, my precioussssss, it gives us the listingsss it does, the tricksy tmssssss |
| [19:43:05] | iamlindoro: | ComradeHaz`: Standad mceusb remote |
| [19:43:33] | ComradeHaz`: | What device name is that (as far as the config file is concerened? |
| [19:43:38] | iamlindoro: | mceusb |
| [19:44:01] | iamlindoro: | or if given two choices, mceusb2... but the drivers have been consolidated, so should just be mceusb |
| [19:44:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
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| [19:45:40] | iamlindoro: | mode2 and pressing buttons will tell you if you have lirc configured properly |
| [19:45:44] | iamlindoro: | i that works, you try irw |
| [19:46:01] | iamlindoro: | if mode2 works but irw is not working, your lircd.conf file is wrong |
| [19:46:09] | iamlindoro: | if irw works and myth doesn't work, your lircrc files is wrong |
| [19:46:16] | iamlindoro: | so use that process |
| [19:46:39] | ComradeHaz`: | mode2? |
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| [19:47:33] | wagnerrp: | just cut up a bunch of PVC by hand, because the rotory is inexplicably broken... only to find out it was 1" PVC and not 1.5" PVC |
| [19:48:06] | wagnerrp: | mode2 hits the raw LIRC codes |
| [19:48:20] | wagnerrp: | irw hits the codecs processed through your defines in lircd.conf |
| [19:48:29] | wagnerrp: | s/codecs/codes |
| [19:50:34] | ** skd5aner hasn't dealt with lirc in 4 years, thank god ** | |
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| [19:52:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: What'd you do, convert to a bluetooth remote? Or has it been stable for 4 years? |
| [19:53:25] | ComradeHaz`: | tom@ares:~$ mode2 xmode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc xmode2: default_init(): No such file or directory |
| [19:53:48] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: 3 things – 1) Logitech Dinovo mini (bluetooth), 2) IR keyboard, 3) Mythmote on my droid2 (telnet) |
| [19:53:54] | ComradeHaz`: | Wot iz it I haz dun rong? |
| [19:54:14] | skd5aner: | talk like a 1337 h4x0r for one |
| [19:54:22] | ComradeHaz`: | :) |
| [19:54:29] | ComradeHaz`: | Was 'toung in cheek' |
| [19:54:34] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [19:54:40] | ComradeHaz`: | It's actually one of my pet hates. |
| [19:55:21] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: that being said, I actually have a REALLY nice remote I've never programmed because I never had the time to get over the learning curve... |
| [19:55:25] | skd5aner: | would lov to get around to it though |
| [19:55:27] | Gibby: | ComradeHaz`: How goes the diskless? |
| [19:55:51] | ComradeHaz`: | Oh, by the way. I have found something that I wish to make known to the masses: A fanned nVidia GT220 is NOT a good choice of card for a box running linux of any kind. |
| [19:55:57] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: http://www.mynevo.com/html.php?page_id=345 |
| [19:56:27] | ComradeHaz`: | Evening Gibby – not good, got massively sidetracked when I realised the GT220 was an issue. |
| [19:57:18] | ComradeHaz`: | Currently just playing with mythtv generally |
| [19:57:19] | Gibby: | ahhh what OS do you use? |
| [19:57:37] | ComradeHaz`: | Well, 'Mythbuntu' |
| [19:57:58] | ComradeHaz`: | but even using the official nvidia linux drivers and the fan still ran at 100% |
| [19:58:20] | ComradeHaz`: | turns out plenty of people are running into the same issue with them |
| [19:58:27] | ComradeHaz`: | even nvclock couldn't touch it. |
| [19:58:48] | ComradeHaz`: | Returning it now and getting a fanless one. |
| [19:59:15] | ComradeHaz`: | http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/vga . . . vn210-md512h Specifically. |
| [19:59:30] | ComradeHaz`: | Hopefully it's powerfull enough :S |
| [19:59:32] | Gibby: | ComradeHaz`: I made a howto today for diskless, as soon as the website is back up i will send you the link |
| [19:59:44] | ComradeHaz`: | Oooh, wow |
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| [19:59:52] | ComradeHaz`: | Awesome, I look forward to it! |
| [20:00:05] | ComradeHaz`: | I've warned a friend I may need some assistance! |
| [20:00:56] | Gibby: | Anyone using a MyHAVA box with myth? |
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| [20:01:36] | ** ComradeHaz` shakes his head ** | |
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| [20:01:49] | ComradeHaz`: | A whatty?! :D |
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| [20:05:50] | Gibby: | One of these http://www.myhava.com/products.html |
| [20:07:14] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would want to |
| [20:07:20] | justinh: | bjd: uk_rt worked this morning |
| [20:07:59] | Gibby: | b/c I already have it, it is just collecting dust |
| [20:08:11] | justinh: | wagnerrp: becuz it's a bocks, which might have loonix inside, therefore it can run ANY loonix programmung! |
| [20:08:18] | wagnerrp: | but it peaks out at SD resolutions |
| [20:08:20] | ComradeHaz`: | wouldn't it be bettter to re-encode and stream using the myth box itself? |
| [20:08:27] | wagnerrp: | you may as well just buy a cheap PVR-150 on ebay instead |
| [20:08:32] | justinh: | wouldn't it be better to just get a proper frontend? |
| [20:08:33] | wagnerrp: | $20 and youre done |
| [20:08:58] | justinh: | oh wait.. those things are capture thingies? eew |
| [20:09:16] | Gibby: | yes yes yes |
| [20:09:26] | Gibby: | I have no tuner cards |
| [20:09:33] | wagnerrp: | its basically a slingbox, designed for local network use, with slightly higher resolution and bitrate |
| [20:09:35] | Gibby: | figured i could use this maybe before buying cards |
| [20:10:14] | justinh: | well, considering this is like the 1st time it's ever been mentioned in this channel to my own knowledge, does anybody really think myth would support it as an input device? |
| [20:10:43] | wagnerrp: | you could probably rig it up through the IPTV capture support |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | i looked at it when woot had a deal on one about a year ago |
| [20:11:01] | Gibby: | i saw somewhere last year you can grab the stream VIA vlc, no one had figured out how to control the ir blaster on it tho |
| [20:11:07] | Gibby: | yep, that is where i got it! |
| [20:11:14] | Gibby: | dec 2008 i think |
| [20:11:24] | wagnerrp: | it said HD, had all sorts of capture inputs including component |
| [20:11:27] | wagnerrp: | outputs 480p |
| [20:11:33] | wagnerrp: | garbage |
| [20:11:48] | justinh: | surely some chump would buy it from you on ebay :) |
| [20:11:58] | justinh: | there's at least one born every minute |
| [20:12:01] | Gibby: | i thought it worked ok atleast |
| [20:12:02] | wagnerrp: | after all, it does say achdee |
| [20:12:21] | justinh: | sell it & buy a real tuner device :) |
| [20:12:25] | Gibby: | so what is the cheapest HD tuner card i could use? I have directv |
| [20:12:38] | wagnerrp: | there is no HD tuner card that works with direct tv |
| [20:12:45] | Gibby: | poop |
| [20:12:45] | justinh: | if you want to capture HD from that you'll be needing a Hauppauge HDPVR |
| [20:12:59] | wagnerrp: | but if you want to capture off your satellite box, you want that HDPVR justinh just mentioned |
| [20:13:34] | Gibby: | geez, $200 |
| [20:13:57] | wagnerrp: | yet cheaper than the Hava |
| [20:13:59] | justinh: | but if you want to capture off your satellite box, downscale it to 480p & do a whole bunch of messing around (which may not ultimately work or be reliable).. just stick with the MyHava thing |
| [20:14:06] | Gibby: | no, my hava was only 120ish |
| [20:14:16] | wagnerrp: | because it was on woot |
| [20:14:19] | skd5aner: | any way to utilize RS-232 input for control of a frontend? |
| [20:14:55] | Gibby: | actually i only paid $65 just checked woot |
| [20:14:56] | justinh: | skd5aner: probably, with an app you develop which ties into the telnet interface. simples! |
| [20:15:04] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: theres probably some program somewhere that proxies rs-232 onto telnet |
| [20:15:05] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:15:22] | skd5aner: | yea, that would be cool... |
| [20:15:22] | Gibby: | but how could i get the backend to change the channel on the directv box? |
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| [20:15:39] | justinh: | Gibby: same way other mortals do.. mind control.. muhahahahaha |
| [20:15:43] | justinh: | er.. I mean an IR blaster |
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| [20:16:00] | skd5aner: | Just a possibility – if I could avoid lirc, then I could avoid IR, and leverage RF to the receiver that has an RS-232 connector |
| [20:16:05] | Gibby: | i guess i could bypass the IR blaster that the HAVA box has in it |
| [20:16:06] | skd5aner: | and telenet seems to work really well |
| [20:16:26] | justinh: | skd5aner: there's gonna be some translating to do then.. $YOURPROGRAM to the rescue :) |
| [20:16:36] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [20:16:41] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [20:16:45] | justinh: | Gibby: assuming you can control it from linux, yes |
| [20:16:53] | Gibby: | :) |
| [20:17:09] | justinh: | but rest assured, I very much doubt anyone here will be able to help you with that |
| [20:17:12] | skd5aner: | Seeings how I continue to tell myself I'm going to learn C++ one day and I still haven't... |
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| [20:17:34] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, np – was just curious if anyone has already ventured down that path |
| [20:17:39] | Gibby: | hmmm pluggin in hava now to try it out |
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| [20:17:47] | Gibby: | I guess I need to get the stream from hava to the backend first |
| [20:17:53] | justinh: | anyway, re today's earlier discussion.. I kinda haven't really given up theming, but at the pace I'm going I may aswell have :-P |
| [20:18:18] | skd5aner: | yea, and you disconnected right after I was ribbing you – hope you know I was joking around |
| [20:18:47] | justinh: | I was tired & stressed out so figured I just quit the hell outta there before I said something I'd regret |
| [20:19:18] | skd5aner: | heh – fair enough, just know that I understand your point and why you got out of the themeing business in the first place |
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| [20:19:35] | justinh: | I dunno what happened.. getting out rather than blowing my top.. that's just not like the old me at all. I must be mellowing out or summink |
| [20:19:37] | skd5aner: | just liked giving you a bit of a hard time about it (since I loved your themes in the past) |
| [20:19:56] | Gibby: | can myth accept a rtsp stream? |
| [20:20:43] | skd5aner: | I hope you enjoy your new work, even if it's just for you |
| [20:20:46] | justinh: | one theme is almost too much for one guy, let alone however many it was |
| [20:21:22] | justinh: | yeah well, it doesn't confuse anybody who uses it, and we don't have to squint to read any of the text (win) |
| [20:21:26] | skd5aner: | well, right after you quit I was talking with wagnerrp about how I used ProjectGreyhem forever (until MythUI took over) |
| [20:21:57] | skd5aner: | Never complained about it once myself |
| [20:22:01] | skd5aner: | quite the opposite |
| [20:22:19] | justinh: | seriously tho- if I ever do put out a tarball of it there's no warranty, etc.. and anybody who requests changes will go straight to hell :) |
| [20:22:40] | skd5aner: | that said, I've got other "feedback" on some of the newer themes but I grin and bare it because they're still pretty neat |
| [20:22:51] | skd5aner: | (not yours) |
| [20:23:54] | skd5aner: | I also realize based on conversation around these and other parts, that people are pretty particular about their artistic creations and best to just be happy with the fact they took the time to create it in the first place and share it with the world |
| [20:24:04] | skd5aner: | and that's ok with me |
| [20:24:10] | skd5aner: | it's their (your) work |
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| [20:24:32] | skd5aner: | but, everyone is a critic – I think that's the whole point of art to begin with |
| [20:25:14] | ** iamlindoro checks the log, sounds like this should be interesting ** | |
| [20:25:25] | skd5aner: | critique is part of the game... hopefully there's plenty of good mixed with the bad |
| [20:25:31] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: lol, great timing ;) |
| [20:29:11] | wagnerrp: | crap... cut the arms on the monitor stand too short |
| [20:29:33] | wagnerrp: | need about an inch more on both |
| [20:29:40] | skd5aner: | measure twice, the measure twice more, then measure once more (in metric), THEN cut |
| [20:29:44] | wagnerrp: | at least i could use that for the poles |
| [20:30:26] | wagnerrp: | i can reuse those cuts |
| [20:30:40] | wagnerrp: | and at $2.50 for a 5' section, i dont really care |
| [20:30:48] | wagnerrp: | i should have bought two in the first place |
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| [20:35:16] | wagnerrp: | MPEG LA has extended the moratorium on h264 indefinately |
| [20:35:22] | wagnerrp: | thats not really the same as never |
| [20:35:46] | wagnerrp: | technically, they could at any time make it definitely tomorrow |
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| [20:37:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:37:24] | Beirdo: | well, they only have until the patents expire anyways |
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| [20:38:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, they extended until the life of their patent portfolio |
| [20:38:19] | wagnerrp: | see, now thats entirely different |
| [20:38:39] | wagnerrp: | thats a horrible summary ars |
| [20:38:51] | Beirdo: | they can extend past that all they want, they are irrelevant after the patents expire anyways |
| [20:39:40] | skd5aner: | is there an IR receiver that's generally recommended around here? |
| [20:39:47] | wagnerrp: | mveusb |
| [20:39:49] | skd5aner: | USB, etc |
| [20:39:49] | Beirdo: | mceusb |
| [20:39:55] | wagnerrp: | that one too |
| [20:39:58] | Beirdo: | in other words... yes |
| [20:40:00] | skd5aner: | k, thanks |
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| [20:41:09] | wagnerrp: | some cards only support 44.1kHz for spdif passthrough? |
| [20:41:35] | skd5aner: | also, I'm using the mce remotes are the most popular ones to use (and therefore emulate) – however, I'd love to have a remote I could emulate with as many usable buttons as possible, any suggestions thre? |
| [20:41:36] | skd5aner: | there |
| [20:42:38] | justinh: | if you like activity based remotes, logiteh harmony |
| [20:43:08] | wagnerrp: | assuming? |
| [20:43:10] | skd5aner: | Yea, I used a harmony for about 5 years |
| [20:43:17] | skd5aner: | but harmony just emulates other remotes |
| [20:43:25] | wagnerrp: | right, what did you want? |
| [20:43:30] | skd5aner: | which, is basically the same thing I'd be doing with the remote I have |
| [20:43:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe the MCEUSB receivers support arbitrary codes anywayu |
| [20:44:02] | skd5aner: | so, my assumptions/needs would be to have as many possible keys which I could map to many of the available keymappings within myth |
| [20:44:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ah, ok – that would be key |
| [20:44:46] | wagnerrp: | the mceusb remotes tend to be one of the more populated-with-button remotes available |
| [20:44:48] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I have the hauppauge ones that plug in to the hauppauge cards, but I know those are limited as well in what they can receive |
| [20:45:10] | wagnerrp: | anything much more, and youre going to have to go programming the lircd.conf file yourself, as well as manually capturing IR codes to use in the harmony |
| [20:45:28] | justinh: | every button on my 515 works in myth |
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| [20:45:32] | wagnerrp: | and learning remotes tend to be fairly rare |
| [20:45:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got every button mapped on mine, plus several on the LCD |
| [20:45:52] | justinh: | same :) |
| [20:45:55] | skd5aner: | My remote can have infinite logical buttons (not that I'd want EVERYTHING mappable anyway), but it's also context sensitive – so it would be nice to be able to map various jump-points, etc beyond the basic DVR buttons |
| [20:46:24] | skd5aner: | I'm not going to use the harmony, so – ignore that :) |
| [20:46:37] | skd5aner: | I used to use a harmony, 767 I believe |
| [20:47:07] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: go for it with the merging on those muthcenter tix :) |
| [20:47:36] | wagnerrp: | should i mount my forward speakers on this stand as well? |
| [20:48:03] | skd5aner: | I'm using a nevo Q50, completely programmable, and can emulate basically any IR codes – obviously, I'd like to leverage an available lirc config that has the greatest "capacity" already, and set the remote up to emulate that remotes IR codes |
| [20:48:06] | RyeBrye: | I've been using a PS3 Bluetooth DVD remote for the past while – works nice because my frontend box is entirely hidden behind my TV and I don't have to worry about an IR dongle sticking out anywhere |
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| [20:48:35] | wagnerrp: | i could mount them on top oft he monitors |
| [20:49:02] | wagnerrp: | i like that idea |
| [20:49:16] | wagnerrp: | would certainly make a use for those mis-cut 8" pipes |
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| [20:50:48] | Beirdo: | you are gonna show us your masterpiece when you're done, right/ |
| [20:51:04] | sphery: | there's the Comcast iamlindoro knows and loves |
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| [20:51:20] | wagnerrp: | sure |
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| [20:56:34] | justinh: | I'm going to need a USB receiver at some point no doubt |
| [20:57:13] | justinh: | been tempted to build one, but like all my other recent projects it'll stall because of a certain little man in the house :) |
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| [21:10:21] | marc_us: | d |
| [21:11:15] | marc_us: | wagnerrp: Howdy |
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| [21:12:04] | stuckey: | hi |
| [21:12:34] | stuckey: | Someone told me that you would know all the details about how to get dvb-bt8xx here. |
| [21:13:02] | wagnerrp: | ...now why did they have to go and do something like that |
| [21:13:11] | stuckey: | I'm on debian squeeze. I did modprobe dvb-bt8xx, then checked for it with lsmod but it isn't there. |
| [21:13:18] | dsockwell: | because we think it's funny |
| [21:13:27] | wagnerrp: | we support mythtv, we dont support tuner cards |
| [21:13:36] | wagnerrp: | we merely use tuner cards supported by the linuxtv group |
| [21:13:39] | wagnerrp: | #linuxtv |
| [21:13:46] | stuckey: | what is mythtv? |
| [21:13:52] | wagnerrp: | furthermore, dvb-bt8xx just doesnt make sense |
| [21:13:54] | wagnerrp: | see the topic |
| [21:14:07] | wagnerrp: | bt8xx, or brooktree, are a series of framegrabbers |
| [21:14:08] | stuckey: | Oh wow, cool |
| [21:14:11] | wagnerrp: | analog capture cards |
| [21:14:23] | wagnerrp: | while dvb is the API for digital tuner cards |
| [21:14:31] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bt878 that's the device I have. |
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| [21:14:55] | wagnerrp: | no, you think your device uses that chipset |
| [21:15:00] | wagnerrp: | thats not any one particular device |
| [21:15:13] | wagnerrp: | rather there are hundreds, possibly thousands of devices that use that chipset |
| [21:15:31] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: Yes, and I need that module to make it work – right? |
| [21:15:49] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what your device is, nor have i ever used a tuner of that type |
| [21:16:02] | wagnerrp: | we dont recommend people use framegrabbers around here |
| [21:16:06] | wagnerrp: | they dont work well for mythtv |
| [21:16:06] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: http://paste.debian.net/86045/ |
| [21:16:25] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: Oh okay, but you know a good bit about getting TV on your computer? |
| [21:16:46] | wagnerrp: | i know a good bit about using mythtv |
| [21:16:56] | wagnerrp: | which is why this channel is named such |
| [21:16:58] | stuckey: | What kind of card should one use with it? |
| [21:17:22] | wagnerrp: | any tuner supported by the DVB api (for digital), or an IVTV card (for analog) |
| [21:17:45] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: is that the same in europe as america/uk? Will one card work in all places? |
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| [21:18:21] | wagnerrp: | no, in europe, youve for PAL, SECAM, DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S, DVB-S2 |
| [21:18:44] | wagnerrp: | in north america, youve got NTSC, ATSC, SCTE (clear QAM) |
| [21:19:32] | Gibby: | So for Card Type: If I choose HDHomeRun it found the IP address of myhava box.... :/ |
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| [21:20:40] | wagnerrp: | it shoudlnt have, those are two completely different, non-compatible devices |
| [21:20:48] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: and uk is same as europe? |
| [21:21:15] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: It's only important then that the card supports DVB? And, what's a 'framegrabber'? |
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| [21:22:59] | justinh: | a framegrabber is a device which.. grabs frames of video |
| [21:23:44] | justinh: | they get shoved along the bus uncompressed.. well maybe YUV.. then to save space a program has to compress the frames on the fly to something like mpeg |
| [21:23:58] | stuckey: | justinh: okay |
| [21:24:16] | Gibby: | anyone want a myhava box? rofl |
| [21:24:16] | justinh: | another way to put it – a framegrabber is the least desirable type of tuner card to use for mythtv |
| [21:24:23] | stuckey: | justinh: I found an old hauppauge card from 2000 in a box and I thought I'd see if I could have some fun with it. |
| [21:25:22] | justinh: | next to the need to use cpu cycles to compress video, the biggest disadvantage of framegrabber cards is they rarely have their own audio capture onboard – tying up a soundcard input – and if you want to use more than one framegrabber to capture audio & video, you need multiple soundcards |
| [21:25:55] | stuckey: | justinh: It has a fm radio antenna |
| [21:26:12] | justinh: | so? |
| [21:26:18] | justinh: | that doesn't mean it has audio capture onboard |
| [21:26:28] | stuckey: | Maybe I can use it to listen to the radio :) |
| [21:26:40] | justinh: | til FM radio is switched off in 2015 or so |
| [21:26:48] | stuckey: | really? |
| [21:26:58] | justinh: | when there's internet radio, using a PCI tuner card is a waste of a slot |
| [21:27:18] | stuckey: | I've never listened to internet radio. |
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| [21:27:52] | justinh: | I dunno about germany, but the UK gov plan to get rid of VHF FM radio by 2015 apparently |
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| [21:28:23] | stuckey: | And it's being replaced by ? |
| [21:28:28] | justinh: | DAB+ |
| [21:28:57] | justinh: | try finding a PC tuner for that btw |
| [21:29:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Are they implementing digital FM radio in the UK like they are here in the US? |
| [21:29:27] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: so if you tell mythtv to autodetect any HDHR device, it will find the IP of your hava box? |
| [21:29:36] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: no |
| [21:29:38] | Gibby: | yep |
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| [21:29:49] | wagnerrp: | !seen jafa |
| [21:29:49] | MythLogBot: | jafa was last seen 33 days 23 hours 22 minutes 32 seconds ago |
| [21:29:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gibby: You can manually type in the address you know... ;-) |
| [21:30:05] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: no, he doesnt have an HDHR |
| [21:30:12] | wagnerrp: | he has some other network attached capture device |
| [21:30:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ahh... ok. ;-) |
| [21:30:35] | Gibby: | to bad there isn't a tv tuner card that takes a directv card and a ethernet connection |
| [21:30:37] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: the govt wants to sell off the FM waveband.. not that anybody really thinks companies will want to buy/rent bandspace for data uses |
| [21:30:39] | marc_us: | J-e-f-f-A: Howdy |
| [21:30:47] | marc_us: | wagnerrp: Howdy |
| [21:30:55] | wagnerrp: | evening |
| [21:31:06] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [21:31:12] | Gibby: | 23.1 |
| [21:31:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: long time no type... ;-) |
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| [21:33:13] | marc_us: | I don't know if this is what you guys are discussing but I have two HDHR devices on the network and Mythsetup detects the discrete IP addresses for each box and that two tuners are available. |
| [21:33:26] | marc_us: | for each device |
| [21:35:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: I have two hdhr boxes, and two HD-pvr's – and they work fine. |
| [21:36:25] | wagnerrp: | marc_us: the issue is that mythtv-setup is detecting something which is /not/ an HDHR |
| [21:36:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: He's got another device that must use the same broadcast/discovery system as the HDHR, and it's being incorrectly identified as a HDHR by myth. |
| [21:37:10] | wagnerrp: | and mine, oddly enough, does not seem to be responsing to upnp m-searches |
| [21:37:13] | marc_us: | OH! I now understand |
| [21:37:55] | marc_us: | I'm going to scroll back and catch up. |
| [21:38:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm gonna pack up and go home... ;-) |
| [21:38:36] | Gibby: | i am not going to spend to much time on it, just going to get a tuner card that will work |
| [21:38:42] | Gibby: | I gotta head to class, bbl |
| [21:39:10] | wagnerrp: | no, i kicked it up to the silicondust people |
| [21:39:20] | wagnerrp: | they would be interested to know that something is being mis-detected as it |
| [21:39:45] | marc_us: | A MYHAVA BOX! |
| [21:40:02] | wagnerrp: | we use a slightly modified set of their libraries for HDHR access |
| [21:40:14] | wagnerrp: | so their programs are probably suffering from the same issue |
| [21:42:33] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i havent looked at the UPnP patch, but mythtv has a number of different sorting mechanisms |
| [21:42:33] | justinh: | good job they changed the name. myhava.. it's just so.... hmmm |
| [21:42:41] | wagnerrp: | directory structure is just one option |
| [21:42:50] | justinh: | sounds a bit LOLCAT |
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| [21:43:17] | wagnerrp: | LOLCAT would be great for a tuner |
| [21:43:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: s/has/had/ |
| [21:43:29] | wagnerrp: | just think of how high up its antenna mast would be |
| [21:43:33] | stuckey: | Is there a recommended hardware list/wiki anywhere? |
| [21:43:38] | justinh: | I can haz haitch deez? |
| [21:43:46] | wagnerrp: | had? it had it in 0.23, has that been removed? |
| [21:43:47] | Beirdo: | he ripped out the entire upnpmedia part to go directly to using SG |
| [21:43:49] | ComradeHaz`: | Oi! |
| [21:43:57] | ComradeHaz`: | Less of the silly spelling of 'has' |
| [21:43:58] | Beirdo: | for videos |
| [21:43:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean mythvideo does |
| [21:44:00] | wagnerrp: | internally |
| [21:44:04] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [21:44:11] | skd5aner: | anyone have an extra MCE USB IR receiver they'd be willing part with? |
| [21:44:11] | Beirdo: | right, gotcha |
| [21:44:32] | justinh: | ComradeHaz`: LOLCAT isn't silly |
| [21:44:40] | ComradeHaz`: | Highlighting me is. |
| [21:44:42] | ComradeHaz`: | ;) |
| [21:44:45] | wagnerrp: | oh no... im thinking of LONGCAT |
| [21:44:53] | wagnerrp: | it would serve as a great antenna mast |
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| [21:45:05] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: amazon.com has plenty |
| [21:45:45] | skd5aner: | yea, I know... just checkin' – who knows, maybe someone here has 3 and doesn't need all of them |
| [21:46:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:46:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I could use one or two more... ;-) |
| [21:46:32] | ** J-e-f-f-A actually gets out of here... ;-) ttyl! ** | |
| [21:46:46] | skd5aner: | I imagine there are plenty of people who have bought MCE comps who probably just tossed their remote and receiver |
| [21:46:59] | Beirdo: | probably, yeah |
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| [21:47:16] | Beirdo: | ya never know :) |
| [21:47:17] | skd5aner: | I had an old Packard Bell, circa 93 that had a serial IR receiver an a remote |
| [21:47:27] | Beirdo: | but if you're stuck... there's always a new one |
| [21:47:29] | jams: | I buy them just to throw them away |
| [21:48:00] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, that's probably the route I'll take |
| [21:48:15] | skd5aner: | I built a serial IR receiver back in 2003, but it's long gone |
| [21:48:33] | skd5aner: | and I'd like to maybe experiment with wake-on-USB for sleeping the frontend and stuff |
| [21:49:07] | stuckey: | So DVB-T, DVB-S & DVB-S2 are the new digital specifications, is that right? |
| [21:49:34] | skd5aner: | for some of the world, for terrestrial and satellite |
| [21:49:38] | Beirdo: | only -S2 can really qualify as "new" |
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| [21:49:53] | Beirdo: | there's also DVB-C (not sure if anyone uses it) |
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| [21:50:02] | skd5aner: | and ATSC and others |
| [21:50:17] | wagnerrp: | plenty of people use DVB-C |
| [21:50:18] | justinh: | -T2 is newest, and also has no tuners available for mere mortals |
| [21:50:32] | stuckey: | Okay, so it's the same in the UK as in germany |
| [21:50:47] | skd5aner: | wikipedia covers this topic pretty well, search there |
| [21:50:56] | justinh: | nah. nobody here can use dvb-c legitimately |
| [21:51:02] | Beirdo: | let's not forget ATSC for us US/Canada based people |
| [21:51:10] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: which I already said |
| [21:51:11] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [21:51:12] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:51:14] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:51:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: hes german |
| [21:51:25] | Beirdo: | fair enough. |
| [21:51:38] | skd5aner: | I know Germans... in the US & Canada |
| [21:52:59] | nutron: | I've spent like 4 hours writing a channel change script... with power status (on the stb) and ocr for channel change ... what a pita... but it's sexy. |
| [21:53:11] | skd5aner: | what STB? |
| [21:53:19] | nutron: | I wish that guy with the perl bindings would get off his ass and get 'em done :P |
| [21:53:22] | kormoc: | OCR? that seems.... excessive... |
| [21:53:22] | wagnerrp: | OCR? does mythtv even allow that sort of access? |
| [21:53:27] | ** skd5aner crosses fingers it's the 3250HD ** | |
| [21:53:29] | nutron: | skd5aner: motorola family |
| [21:53:32] | ** kormoc blinks at nutron ** | |
| [21:53:42] | nutron: | :o |
| [21:54:03] | nutron: | well it makes sure the channel change made it, if it didn't it retries up to 4 times |
| [21:54:03] | stuckey: | Anyone here have a hauppauge card? |
| [21:54:12] | skd5aner: | yea Beirdo... get off your ass already... GOSH! |
| [21:54:12] | kormoc: | stuckey, yes |
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| [21:54:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i think he was referring to himself at that remark, language aside |
| [21:54:19] | stuckey: | kormoc: which one? is it good? |
| [21:54:32] | kormoc: | stuckey, HDPVR, and yes |
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| [21:54:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: thats not a hauppauge card |
| [21:54:54] | Beirdo: | I like being on my fat duff. |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: sure it is |
| [21:55:06] | Beirdo: | inside a hauppauge box |
| [21:55:09] | skd5aner: | stuckey: a TON of people have a TON of different hauppauge cards here |
| [21:55:12] | nutron: | I was saying I should get off my donkey... |
| [21:55:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's close enough... |
| [21:55:40] | stuckey: | kormoc: but that requires you to have a seperate receiver, doesn't it? |
| [21:55:47] | kormoc: | stuckey, yes |
| [21:55:54] | wagnerrp: | stuckey: over here, thats generally the only option |
| [21:56:00] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: I see. |
| [21:56:05] | nutron: | But yeah, power check, channel change, ocr... if failed, rinse and repeat, it's pretty quick too. Like 2 secs for a channel change/power detection/ocr... |
| [21:56:16] | skd5aner: | nutron: I really wish the SA3250 STB channel changing script had power status capabilities since TWC seems to like to remotely turn my off every so often |
| [21:56:17] | wagnerrp: | in germany, youve got DVB-C cards, and especially ones that support CAMs that can be used in mythtv |
| [21:56:22] | Beirdo: | nutron: sounds like you need a better receiver :) |
| [21:56:23] | kormoc: | nutron, why don't you just use firewire and query it over that? |
| [21:56:29] | stuckey: | I want to find a card but I don't know much about this stuff. CAMs? |
| [21:56:29] | kormoc: | or serial/usb |
| [21:56:40] | wagnerrp: | conditional access module |
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| [21:56:48] | high-rez: | Is there a build-break in trunk? http://pastebin.ca/1926293 |
| [21:56:51] | wagnerrp: | its a small PCMCIA card you slot into your tuner card |
| [21:56:54] | nutron: | Beirdo: cuz I'm stuck with shaw .... I live in a socialist state where my cable company can dictate how I use my own hardware. |
| [21:56:55] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: What has DVB-C cards? |
| [21:56:58] | wagnerrp: | allows you to access encrypted content |
| [21:57:06] | wagnerrp: | DVB-C is cable |
| [21:57:14] | nutron: | Shaw disables serial and encrypts the firewire output on the hd models |
| [21:57:14] | kormoc: | high-rez, qt 4.7? |
| [21:57:15] | stuckey: | wagnerrp: I'm reading their website and it doesn't say they have DVB-C |
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| [21:57:22] | high-rez: | kormoc: Yes sir. |
| [21:57:33] | stuckey: | DVB-T, DVB-S & DVB-S2 TV is all I see. |
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| [21:57:35] | high-rez: | kormoc: Not supported at this time ? |
| [21:57:36] | Beirdo: | and moar electrical tape over your IR |
| [21:57:38] | kormoc: | high-rez, known issue, there is a patch in trac |
| [21:57:52] | nutron: | skd5aner: I don't know about your setup, but you can peruse the script when I put it on the wiki tonight |
| [21:57:56] | Beirdo: | nutron: shaw? get a real provider :) |
| [21:57:56] | skd5aner: | nutron: I can't use firewire for any video capture, but I use it to change channels – you can't even do that? |
| [21:58:08] | nutron: | Beirdo: i can't... who's left? Telus? hahahah!!! |
| [21:58:08] | stuckey: | kormoc: so basically that's just a recorder? |
| [21:58:22] | kormoc: | stuckey, it's a encoder, yes |
| [21:58:47] | Beirdo: | nutron: Bell ExpressPoop |
| [21:58:53] | high-rez: | kormoc: Did they actually remove the overload to generate an int from a string (if I'm reading it right) ? |
| [21:59:15] | kormoc: | high-rez, 0 worked previously as a String::Null iirc |
| [21:59:16] | high-rez: | Err, I guess its generating a string from an int. |
| [21:59:21] | nutron: | skd5aner: naw I have the old sd digital boxes. 6 of 'em, and one dual tuner hd box ... that's the only one with firewire. |
| [21:59:31] | high-rez: | Ahh, I see.. |
| [21:59:59] | nutron: | Beirdo: ... or shaw ... bell... hurts little children :( |
| [22:00:45] | Beirdo: | they should keep their heads away from the clapper |
| [22:00:50] | stuckey: | kormoc: I'd really like like something to pick up tv channels and radio |
| [22:01:09] | nutron: | skd5aner: you can check power status simply with dd/ffmpeg/jp2a :o it's a one second query before every channel change... |
| [22:01:16] | nutron: | or on boot would be simpler |
| [22:01:36] | nutron: | Beirdo: lol!! |
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| [22:04:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: anyways, you have a UPnP client there? |
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| [22:05:02] | wagnerrp: | like full playback? ive got my PS3 |
| [22:05:47] | Beirdo: | ahh, I was just thinking, if you wanted to checkout the patch on #8801 as well, that would be cool |
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| [22:06:08] | wagnerrp: | would take a while to set up |
| [22:06:15] | Beirdo: | I'm not satisfied with it long-term, but I think it's a great start in the transition to SG-based |
| [22:06:23] | wagnerrp: | because my dev box is built onto a jail on my file server |
| [22:06:26] | wagnerrp: | it cant do UPNP |
| [22:06:39] | wagnerrp: | and i cant build trunk under fbsd anyway |
| [22:06:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:06:51] | Beirdo: | we should work on THAT too |
| [22:06:53] | wagnerrp: | would have to build out one of my gentoo frontends for the purpose |
| [22:07:04] | wagnerrp: | and its dinner time |
| [22:07:09] | Beirdo: | well, yeah |
| [22:07:12] | wagnerrp: | ill look into it later tonight if you wish |
| [22:07:58] | Beirdo: | if ya want. see how the old mythvideo stuff shows up in UPnP, then with that patch... let me know if you have comments on other things we should add before committing, etc |
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| [22:16:01] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, I am looking at moving all the DB and scanning portions of Mythvideo into a core lib (libmythvideo) to ease the transition of the plugin into the core. There is a fairly decent chance I'll get that done in the next couple days. Then you don't need to do any DB querying in the uPnP server at all, you can just get a list of metadata objects and pull any data you like with gets |
| [22:16:24] | Beirdo: | Neat |
| [22:16:38] | Beirdo: | it's setup to be doing DB accesses now, though, but that's cool |
| [22:16:50] | jya: | member:jpabq: ping ! |
| [22:17:01] | iamlindoro: | yeah, but then it breaks when I change the db/we move to the videofile structure |
| [22:17:10] | Beirdo: | noboday says that the current upnp server structure is gonna stay the same :) |
| [22:17:20] | Beirdo: | yeah, I understand |
| [22:17:27] | Beirdo: | it will need rework anyways :) |
| [22:17:56] | jya: | weird, if I interrupt playback of mythavtest with a Ctrl-C, I have a 50% chance to have to restart X |
| [22:18:12] | Beirdo: | ooh, that's pretty |
| [22:18:14] | jya: | this is recent, never did so before (though I've been away for 6 weeks) |
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| [22:19:02] | Beirdo: | a LOT has been messed with in the last 6 weeks. hehe |
| [22:19:59] | Beirdo: | as I'm sure you noticed |
| [22:22:34] | jya: | All I noticed is that I have to kill X, more often than not when I press Ctrl-C during mythavtest... :) |
| [22:22:51] | jya: | this is going to slow down testing a lot ... |
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| [22:23:21] | jya: | TBH, I haven't looked at what has happened in the past 6 weeks , other than readin some bug reports assigned to me |
| [22:23:36] | jya: | NULL device, breaks av-sync now.. what the? |
| [22:24:16] | Beirdo: | welcome back :) |
| [22:24:32] | Beirdo: | enjoy the long list of bugs to go through, etc. |
| [22:26:54] | jya: | if a bug wasn't there before I left, and is there once I come back, is it technically my problem ? :) |
| [22:27:05] | Beirdo: | hehe, probably |
| [22:27:20] | Beirdo: | just because it wasn't reported doesn't mean it didn't exist :) |
| [22:27:32] | jya: | nah, this one I'm sure it didn't exist... |
| [22:28:14] | Beirdo: | heh, well, you're probably the person in the best position to be fixing it, I guess |
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| [22:30:07] | jya: | 535 messages on the mythtv-user , 114 on mythtv-devel and 1064 on the ffmpeg DL.. |
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| [22:30:14] | jya: | that I haven't read.. sigh |
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| [22:33:59] | Beirdo: | fun times :) |
| [22:34:09] | Beirdo: | and many many on the -commmits list |
| [22:34:42] | nutron: | holy crap svn conflicts batman... |
| [22:34:53] | ** nutron cries and wishes he'd been updating myth svn daily :( ** | |
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| [22:38:47] | kormoc: | so revert back and play back daily/by revision? |
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| [22:49:17] | [R]: | wtf... imdb says MASH the movie is 2.35:1... but freakin AMCHD is showing it in 16:9 |
| [22:50:50] | kormoc: | letter/piller boxed? |
| [22:51:02] | nutron: | kormoc: nah, I'm good ... I'm figuring it out |
| [22:51:10] | [R]: | no, theres no black |
| [22:51:15] | [R]: | they cropped it |
| [22:51:18] | nutron: | I should just pump out some patches |
| [22:57:02] | ComradeHaz`: | Guys, how do I refresh indexes of videos once I have told myth where they are? |
| [22:57:10] | squidly: | how can I tell myth-music to re-read a FLAC tag on a file.. or how can I clear out the music database? |
| [22:57:21] | squidly: | and make it rescan? |
| [22:58:29] | [R]: | ComradeHaz`: indexes? |
| [22:58:30] | sphery: | ComradeHaz`: indexes? |
| [22:58:36] | [R]: | sphery: i beat you |
| [22:58:39] | sphery: | slightly late on the jinx |
| [22:58:54] | [R]: | although i think the correct term is 'indices' |
| [22:58:54] | ComradeHaz`: | :D |
| [22:58:56] | ComradeHaz`: | I dunno |
| [22:59:08] | [R]: | ComradeHaz`: if you dont know what you are talking about... how are we supposed to know? |
| [22:59:13] | ComradeHaz`: | I just told it where all my videos are and when I go to play video's it says there's nothing |
| [22:59:36] | [R]: | ComradeHaz`: hit menu and then scan |
| [22:59:53] | ComradeHaz`: | A'ight. |
| [23:00:07] | ComradeHaz`: | It seems to have hung scanning music. :S |
| [23:00:29] | [R]: | i thought you were talking about videos.. now you are talking about music? |
| [23:00:34] | sphery: | let me guess, you have 10's of thousands of music files |
| [23:00:40] | sphery: | and you put them in your mythvideo directory |
| [23:00:43] | ComradeHaz`: | Yeah |
| [23:00:49] | ComradeHaz`: | Probably. |
| [23:00:52] | sphery: | it will create a hash for each one |
| [23:00:56] | squidly: | fun! |
| [23:00:57] | sphery: | so you may have a while to wait |
| [23:00:58] | squidly: | enjoy! |
| [23:01:07] | ComradeHaz`: | Well, the animation has stopped |
| [23:01:09] | ComradeHaz`: | Is that bad? |
| [23:01:17] | high-rez: | Kormoc: Thanks, found the trac entry – patch applied fine to trunk and building against qt 4.7 works fine. |
| [23:01:27] | sphery: | don't know |
| [23:01:39] | iamlindoro: | no, it's not necessarily bad |
| [23:01:43] | sphery: | can probably escape out of it all |
| [23:01:46] | iamlindoro: | but I would kill the frontend and move the music out of that dir... |
| [23:01:47] | kormoc: | high-rez, sphery will likely like to know if it works after the compile |
| [23:01:52] | ComradeHaz`: | Can't :D |
| [23:02:01] | ComradeHaz`: | I can feel my killall hammer getting itchy |
| [23:02:09] | kormoc: | don't |
| [23:02:14] | sphery: | kormoc: the qt 4.7 stuff? some people are using it, but it's not proper |
| [23:02:24] | ComradeHaz`: | Me, don't?! |
| [23:02:25] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, high-rez is another one added to the list |
| [23:02:34] | sphery: | no one's had any bug reports about things it's not doing right, though :) |
| [23:02:47] | high-rez: | Are there specific test cases to run that will utilize that code path ? |
| [23:02:49] | high-rez: | Are there specific test cases to run that will utilize that code path ? |
| [23:02:51] | sphery: | that's high on my list after the freeze |
| [23:02:51] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`, yes, it's better to attach strace to it and see what it's frozen *on* rather then just kill it and try again |
| [23:02:53] | high-rez: | erps, crap sorry :) |
| [23:03:24] | sphery: | high-rez: I don't even know what code path it is... I didn't follow the path--I was just cutting through the forest when I passed it. |
| [23:03:41] | ComradeHaz`: | Attach to what? |
| [23:03:56] | high-rez: | Fantastic. It appears that some of the upnp code at least uses it ;) |
| [23:04:39] | sphery: | as in you've found a failure? |
| [23:05:08] | high-rez: | As in the build failure I hit earlier specifically referenced some UPnP code :) Haven't actually run anything yet. |
| [23:05:24] | sphery: | oh |
| [23:05:37] | sphery: | yeah, but it's really only the int template usage that's a problem |
| [23:05:56] | sphery: | I think the UPnP usage of it is all QString (which will work with the patch) |
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| [23:06:40] | high-rez: | make -j 8 just finished (which was actually my motivation to compile on this machine – i've got a new CPU hs/fan and the best way to test its effectie is to build mith while running sensors : -) |
| [23:06:45] | Beirdo: | hmmm, what in particular in the UPnP code are we discussing here? turn my head for a moment... |
| [23:06:59] | high-rez: | Beirdo: ALl the stuff you broken 4 days ago |
| [23:07:06] | high-rez: | j/k :) |
| [23:07:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:07:23] | Beirdo: | I don't think I broke anything 4 days ago that I recall :) |
| [23:07:59] | sphery: | Beirdo: some code where UPnP code uses a construct that's illegal in Qt4.7--something we should have fixed in the Qt4 port, but got missed |
| [23:08:10] | sphery: | no problems on 4.6, though |
| [23:08:16] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [23:08:18] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [23:08:28] | Beirdo: | Well, first I heard about it :) |
| [23:08:39] | sphery: | #8572 (which is a broken patch--I plan to do it right after the freeze) |
| [23:08:48] | sphery: | not that trac is working or anything |
| [23:09:12] | sphery: | OperationalError: database is locked |
| [23:09:18] | high-rez: | It working right for me |
| [23:09:18] | high-rez: | : |
| [23:09:19] | high-rez: | :) |
| [23:09:35] | high-rez: | Or it was 15 mins ago :P |
| [23:09:41] | ComradeHaz`: | kormoc, I don't think it has crashed as my server reports a load of disk activity on nfs, but just ooi, how would I use strace to see what was going on? |
| [23:10:23] | sphery: | we need to get kormoc to migrate trac to mysql |
| [23:10:38] | Beirdo: | or to /dev/null :) |
| [23:10:44] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:10:52] | high-rez: | postgres! |
| [23:11:02] | Beirdo: | !salmon high-rez |
| [23:11:02] | ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of high-rez on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [23:11:13] | ComradeHaz`: | Yayyy! Postgres! |
| [23:11:19] | sphery: | Oracle Berkeley DB 11g |
| [23:11:33] | sphery: | (that's what people are talking about when they say, "Oracle database," right? |
| [23:11:56] | ** ComradeHaz` has used DB's a tiny bit as part of his degree and rather liked postgres ** | |
| [23:12:07] | ComradeHaz`: | certainly better than DB2 :/ |
| [23:12:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:12:34] | Beirdo: | postgres can kiss my... oh never mind |
| [23:12:41] | ComradeHaz`: | Is it bad then? |
| [23:12:45] | Beirdo: | no |
| [23:12:50] | ComradeHaz`: | Seriously, I have no idea but am interested. |
| [23:12:54] | Beirdo: | but I'm in the mysql camp ;) |
| [23:13:02] | Beirdo: | it's a religious war |
| [23:13:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:13:06] | high-rez: | sphery: So do you expect that this patch /will/ fail ? |
| [23:13:15] | sphery: | MySQL is /definitely/ a step up from SQLite for our trac usage |
| [23:13:17] | Beirdo: | both pg and mysql have their issues |
| [23:13:26] | Beirdo: | but both run circles around sqlite |
| [23:13:31] | ComradeHaz`: | Ahh, so really mysql and posgres are similarly 'good'? |
| [23:13:43] | sphery: | high-rez: as I said, no one has reported any failures due to it--more than anything, I just don't want it committed until done right |
| [23:13:54] | sphery: | and I plan to do it right, but after the freeze |
| [23:13:56] | ComradeHaz`: | presumably each having their own respective merits? |
| [23:14:00] | Beirdo: | sphery: what diff tool did you use to make those patches? |
| [23:14:19] | Beirdo: | ComradeHaz`: more or less, yeah, that's how I view it |
| [23:14:22] | ComradeHaz`: | woooah, lag I thik.. |
| [23:14:34] | ComradeHaz`: | fair enough. |
| [23:14:45] | sphery: | Beirdo: quilt which uses diff --show-c-function and runs diffstat on the patch |
| [23:14:52] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [23:15:01] | Beirdo: | it looks very git diff-ish :) |
| [23:15:03] | sphery: | s/which uses/which I've configured to use/ |
| [23:15:25] | ** ComradeHaz` wants to play more ** | |
| [23:15:29] | ComradeHaz`: | damn music hash |
| [23:15:30] | sphery: | yeah, I saw jan neg's quilt diffs and saw things I liked, so I modified my quiltrc |
| [23:15:54] | Beirdo: | why would janneg use quilt when he uses git? :) |
| [23:16:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:16:05] | Beirdo: | anyways |
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| [23:17:06] | sphery: | heh, no, he uses git, so his git patches gave me good ideas |
| [23:17:24] | Beirdo: | hehe, gotcha |
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| [23:20:17] | abqjp: | Beirdo: he uses stgit when he needs stacked patch functionality |
| [23:22:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:23:05] | Beirdo: | wonder how well that works for people pulling from you |
| [23:25:47] | Beirdo: | i think I'll be sticking with stock git, personally |
| [23:25:59] | sphery: | you'll use st(ock)git? |
| [23:26:13] | Beirdo: | hush, you git :) |
| [23:26:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:26:26] | Beirdo: | sorry, that just slipped out. |
| [23:26:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:27:04] | Beirdo: | stgit does seem to be interesting though |
| [23:27:19] | Beirdo: | but I'm used to my methodology at this point |
| [23:27:53] | sphery: | oh, stgit does sound interesting |
| [23:27:57] | sphery: | (as I love my quilt) |
| [23:28:12] | Beirdo: | I just don't really see the advantage over using git |
| [23:28:25] | sphery: | I still don't know git, so I can't say |
| [23:28:44] | Beirdo: | but whatever makes your life easier :) |
| [23:28:56] | sphery: | basically, the stgit marketing got me... I like quilt, they said "like quilt," so... |
| [23:29:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [23:30:24] | Beirdo: | and it's python... why?! |
| [23:30:33] | Beirdo: | git is perl and C, is it not? |
| [23:30:37] | sphery: | yeah, that's the part I didn't much care for |
| [23:30:43] | sphery: | but then again, quilt is bash, so... |
| [23:30:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:30:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro hates on quilt just because it's bash |
| [23:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:31:00] | sphery: | the bash-basher |
| [23:31:08] | Beirdo: | bash is good, mmkay! |
| [23:31:11] | wagnerrp: | i think ill agree with that one |
| [23:31:19] | iamlindoro: | I hate on quilt because it's a nightmare to figure out |
| [23:31:32] | sphery: | finally, wagnerrp admits that "bash is good, mmkay! |
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| [23:31:51] | Beirdo: | before ya know it, sphery will be an Atom-lover |
| [23:32:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, but if quilt was written in Qt, you'd love it |
| [23:32:29] | Beirdo: | hehe, but then it would take 200M to run it |
| [23:32:40] | sphery: | Beirdo: I think I'll be a Canada-lover long before that happens |
| [23:32:42] | wagnerrp: | sure, but it would be fast |
| [23:32:44] | sphery: | (think Ontario) |
| [23:33:01] | wagnerrp: | -er than if written in an interpreted language, and particularly one not designed for very large projects |
| [23:33:05] | sphery: | Drive my Bulldozer over all those little Atom toys |
| [23:33:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:33:24] | sphery: | and then bury them all in a big open Llano |
| [23:35:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'll fully admit that quilt is fast approaching its limits--I had to actually fix some bugs in one of the releases last year and, wow, was that code a mess |
| [23:35:17] | sphery: | (I mean it was well written /for bash code/, but...) |
| [23:35:32] | sphery: | there's so many pieces to it... |
| [23:35:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive seen some fantastic bash code |
| [23:35:46] | wagnerrp: | that bash IRC client was far cleaner than something i could ever write |
| [23:35:56] | wagnerrp: | but youre just so limited by the language |
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| [23:36:14] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:36:26] | sphery: | there's much to be said for choosing the right tool for the job |
| [23:36:35] | wagnerrp: | when you have to write hundreds of functions that come stock in other languages, or are at least in readily available libraries you can pull in |
| [23:36:43] | sphery: | unfortunately, most bash projects start out as a /very/ different job from the one they end up becoming |
| [23:37:05] | wagnerrp: | or alternatively call dozens of external executables to get them to process crap for you |
| [23:37:06] | sphery: | and after going a certain distance down a bash road, it's hard to start over |
| [23:37:53] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:37:57] | wagnerrp: | you either end up with something thats 5000 lines when it should be 500 |
| [23:37:59] | Beirdo: | as with any language |
| [23:38:10] | wagnerrp: | or you clutter it up with hundreds of external shell calls |
| [23:38:22] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:38:32] | sphery: | I started the backup/restore scripts in bash |
| [23:38:50] | sphery: | they grew too big quickly |
| [23:38:52] | wagnerrp: | and thats my big issue with all these people doing metadata and similar scripts in bash |
| [23:38:57] | sphery: | then I started over with perl |
| [23:39:05] | wagnerrp: | they have no choice but to repeatedly pipe stuff into `mysql` |
| [23:39:12] | wagnerrp: | and it sucks |
| [23:39:13] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [23:39:28] | wagnerrp: | and ill admit to having written my fair share of those types of things |
| [23:39:29] | sphery: | maybe you could write some bash bindings for them |
| [23:39:38] | sphery: | and use tcp sockets to talk mysql |
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| [23:40:26] | iamlindoro: | Heh, so fun seeing only 11 .cpp files left in MythVideo |
| [23:40:38] | iamlindoro: | all UI |
| [23:40:43] | ComradeHaz`: | Right, seems this cache needs to be left ocvernight then! nn all! |
| [23:41:05] | iamlindoro: | don't scan dirs with tens of thousands of music files in them |
| [23:41:07] | iamlindoro: | that's just silly |
| [23:41:16] | iamlindoro: | kill the frontend, move the music, scan directories with actual videos in them |
| [23:41:25] | sphery: | but if you don't put music in MythVidoe, then where? |
| [23:41:30] | iamlindoro: | hah |
| [23:41:38] | wagnerrp: | i was actually thinking some FIFO pipe to a persistent mysql process |
| [23:41:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:42:33] | wagnerrp: | although theres some python library floating around that actually implements the mysql network protocol in python |
| [23:43:08] | wagnerrp: | xbmc's mythbox uses it |
| [23:43:09] | ComradeHaz`: | Uh, the music is not with video's |
| [23:43:21] | ComradeHaz`: | it's the music player scanning them |
| [23:43:48] | ComradeHaz`: | and actually, playing the music is one of the things I would like to be able to do |
| [23:44:10] | ComradeHaz`: | that said, I've heard a fair bit of criticism of mythTV's music player |
| [23:44:29] | sphery: | yeah, music in mythmusic dirs is fine |
| [23:44:40] | sphery: | but that shouldn't affect mythvideo's "Scan for changes" |
| [23:44:46] | ComradeHaz`: | It's not |
| [23:44:50] | sphery: | if you have overlapping directory structures, though, that's bad |
| [23:44:51] | sphery: | ok |
| [23:44:52] | wagnerrp: | yes, its generally agreed that mythmusic needs a UI overhaul |
| [23:44:59] | sphery: | and it's getting one! |
| [23:45:22] | ComradeHaz`: | I asked about videa scanning just as I selected play music |
| [23:45:32] | ComradeHaz`: | since then it's been hung |
| [23:45:39] | sphery: | ah, I see |
| [23:45:39] | high-rez: | sphery: Not sure if its a result of or unrelated to – but my frontend with that patch isn't working well... I can watch tv but if I hit escape to go to the menu I get: TV: Attempting to change from WatchingPreRecorded to None |
| [23:45:43] | ComradeHaz`: | to start with it displayed spinny chart |
| [23:45:45] | high-rez: | (and it freezes) |
| [23:45:48] | ComradeHaz`: | then it stopped spinning |
| [23:45:51] | sphery: | yeah, that's not hashing files, but it reading the id3 tags in all of them |
| [23:46:07] | ComradeHaz`: | then screen went to sleep and now it's just a textured carbon-fibre-look-black |
| [23:46:16] | sphery: | high-rez: it's possible it's related to the patch |
| [23:46:50] | ComradeHaz`: | Ahh well, hopefully it'll be done by morning :D |
| [23:46:56] | ComradeHaz`: | nn chaps! |
| [23:47:00] | high-rez: | sphery: Thats with r25857 |
| [23:47:04] | wagnerrp: | textured carbon fiber black... is that mythbuntu? |
| [23:47:12] | sphery: | ComradeHaz`: later, good luck with setup |
| [23:47:17] | ComradeHaz`: | Yeah, wagnerrp |
| [23:47:30] | ComradeHaz`: | Oh, and one last thing: !praise tmux ;) |
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| [23:47:54] | ComradeHaz`: | if you use screen, checkout tmux. |
| [23:47:57] | ComradeHaz`: | It ROCKS. |
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| [23:48:13] | ComradeHaz`: | nn! |
| [23:48:14] | sphery: | you a dev for it? |
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| [23:48:19] | ComradeHaz`: | Nope |
| [23:48:24] | ComradeHaz`: | just recently started using it |
| [23:48:28] | ComradeHaz`: | It is SO good. |
| [23:48:29] | sphery: | I love screen (hadn't heard of tmux, yet, though) |
| [23:48:42] | ComradeHaz`: | Well, when you have an evening spare check it out |
| [23:48:45] | wagnerrp: | whats better/worse than screen? |
| [23:49:01] | clever: | ratpoison, screen for x11 |
| [23:49:05] | nutron: | nothing is better, everything's worse |
| [23:49:09] | clever: | replaces the window manager |
| [23:49:11] | sphery: | so it's basically GNU screen, reimplemented to allow a BSD license? |
| [23:49:17] | ComradeHaz`: | uh, hard to explain, but sesssions in sessions, kind of thing that persist |
| [23:49:21] | nutron: | oh I forgot about ratpoison |
| [23:49:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: tmux – http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ |
| [23:49:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im there |
| [23:49:39] | ComradeHaz`: | So in one session you might have 6 'tabs' each tab might contain 3 'pains' |
| [23:49:50] | ComradeHaz`: | and they persist over connects / reconnects |
| [23:50:01] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can tell different is that you can partition a screen, but its all part of that screen |
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| [23:50:09] | clever: | ComradeHaz`: i could do the same thing by running screen inside screen |
| [23:50:13] | wagnerrp: | it seems with tmux, each partition is a new session |
| [23:50:13] | ComradeHaz`: | Not really. |
| [23:50:15] | ComradeHaz`: | In fact |
| [23:50:17] | ComradeHaz`: | not at all. |
| [23:50:21] | wagnerrp: | and you can hit them independently |
| [23:50:34] | wagnerrp: | or merge them |
| [23:50:41] | ComradeHaz`: | It is massively more powerful |
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| [23:51:11] | ComradeHaz`: | I used to use screen for everything, but tmux has replaced all screen useage |
| [23:51:11] | sphery: | * How is tmux different from GNU screen? What else does it offer? |
| [23:51:14] | sphery: | http://tmux.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tmux/tmux/FAQ |
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| [23:51:48] | ComradeHaz`: | Ooooh! |
| [23:51:53] | ComradeHaz`: | uess what?! |
| [23:51:55] | ComradeHaz`: | *guess |
| [23:52:10] | sphery: | finished scanning music? |
| [23:52:36] | wagnerrp: | clever: i dont understand how ratpoison has anything to do with screen |
| [23:52:51] | clever: | wagnerrp: alot of the ctrl+t based commands are similar to screens ctrl+a commands |
| [23:53:03] | clever: | like ^ac and ^tc to open a new window (or xterm) |
| [23:53:10] | sphery: | hmmm, tmux doesn't support serial and telnet... guess that rules it out for me |
| [23:53:13] | sphery: | (joke) |
| [23:53:15] | wagnerrp: | but you cant detach from it, and reconnect later or elsewhere |
| [23:53:26] | ComradeHaz`: | Yeah, by default tmux has ctrl+b for what screen has as ctrl+a |
| [23:53:30] | clever: | na, thats one thing ratpoison cant do on its own |
| [23:53:31] | wagnerrp: | thats the primary purpose of screen |
| [23:53:32] | ComradeHaz`: | first thing to do is change that :D |
| [23:53:43] | clever: | i found a python script to do that, but couldnt get it to work |
| [23:53:49] | wagnerrp: | xpra? |
| [23:53:53] | sphery: | isn't Xpra |
| [23:53:59] | clever: | was called something else |
| [23:54:12] | ** ComradeHaz` can't work out how to play music in Myths music player :D ** | |
| [23:54:20] | wagnerrp: | xpra is a bunch of C libraries, wrapped in python |
| [23:54:30] | wagnerrp: | it literally is screen for X |
| [23:54:53] | wagnerrp: | with some limitations, such that you cannot run a window manager within the session |
| [23:55:09] | wagnerrp: | the window manager must be served by the host X server directly |
| [23:56:37] | ComradeHaz`: | 23:59:32] <[R]> ComradeHaz`: hit menu and then scan <------ menu? |
| [23:57:06] | high-rez: | sphery: Its unrelated. Though I think I found a different bug. This new system is pulseaudio'd and the user I run frontend as doesn't ahve the ability to talk to the card with alsa |
| [23:57:18] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [23:57:54] | high-rez: | So it plays fine, but once you try to stop playing something in myth hangs... |
| [23:58:00] | high-rez: | (albeit without audio : -) |
| [23:58:40] | ComradeHaz`: | How do I get to this scan video files thing? |
| [23:58:51] | ComradeHaz`: | Music's stopped hashing now :) |
| [23:59:03] | ComradeHaz`: | Not that I can see any sign of a music library anywhere! |
| [23:59:06] | wagnerrp: | mythmusic doesnt hash |
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| [23:59:14] | ComradeHaz`: | whatever it does! |
| [23:59:16] | sphery: | ComradeHaz`: go to mythvideo, then do as [R] said |
| [23:59:20] | wagnerrp: | it reads tags |
| [23:59:24] | sphery: | "reads ID3 tags" |
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