| Saturday, August 21st, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:05] | Beirdo: | I got KONG on one scan, but it wouldn't come in at ALL last night |
| [00:00:18] | Beirdo: | but of course, 20... came in great |
| [00:00:21] | high-rez: | I've got one of those mega antennas in my attic |
| [00:00:24] | high-rez: | hah, 20! |
| [00:00:32] | high-rez: | 20_1 20_2 20_3 20_4 – all a waste. |
| [00:00:36] | Beirdo: | 5 channels of various religious programming |
| [00:00:42] | high-rez: | How many ways do we need to celebrate jesus ? |
| [00:00:54] | Beirdo: | many, obviously :) |
| [00:01:10] | high-rez: | Do you get 51? That's the hard one for me. |
| [00:01:14] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [00:01:17] | Beirdo: | not that I want it |
| [00:01:26] | Beirdo: | Univision can permanently eat me |
| [00:01:40] | high-rez: | No way dude |
| [00:01:49] | high-rez: | *EVERYTHING* sounds so much more exciting in spanish! |
| [00:01:54] | sphery: | anyone else find this "active park assist" in new cars scary? |
| [00:01:57] | Beirdo: | living in PR it was one of the few channels that came in well everywhere, and all the shows suck |
| [00:02:20] | high-rez: | I watched the worldcup on univision exclusively |
| [00:02:24] | Beirdo: | I have zero tolerance for crappy Mexican Soap Operas |
| [00:02:45] | high-rez: | Cause hearing it in spanish made it totally exciting. The announcer would yell and scream about absolutely nothing. |
| [00:02:54] | sphery: | high-rez: were the vuvuzelas hard to understand in Spanish? |
| [00:03:01] | high-rez: | Heh, my wife learned spanish from the telenovelas. :) |
| [00:03:07] | Beirdo: | now being destroyed... Kansas – Carry On My Wayward Son |
| [00:03:16] | [R]: | Beirdo: i love that song |
| [00:03:22] | Beirdo: | not this rendition, you don't |
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| [00:03:29] | high-rez: | sphery: Ungh, all I have to say about those is they totally made SA look like a bunch of dorks. |
| [00:03:31] | [R]: | lol |
| [00:03:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:04:09] | high-rez: | The vuvuzela to me is sort of like a young girl attention seeking on myspace because she has low self esteem. |
| [00:04:14] | high-rez: | 'look at me look at me!!!' |
| [00:04:21] | high-rez: | I'm probably the only one though. |
| [00:04:23] | Beirdo: | but far less interesting |
| [00:04:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:04:45] | Beirdo: | there's absolutely no upside to the vuvuzela |
| [00:05:21] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Sure there is. The upside is nobody will ever think to host a major event in south africa again, cause they can't stop themselves from being annoying. :) |
| [00:05:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:06:06] | high-rez: | If they brought the olympics there, the SA's would bring out their latest country tradition, the doodoo-della! |
| [00:06:15] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [00:06:21] | Beirdo: | it's only for soccer |
| [00:06:25] | high-rez: | Which is of course a horn that spews crap on the crowd. |
| [00:06:41] | high-rez: | But because its a really old national traidition, like 5 years, they'd expect everyone to respect it. |
| [00:06:49] | Beirdo: | and now they've had their chance to piss off the world... it won't likely happen again |
| [00:08:05] | Beirdo: | OK, how many copies of the 101 channel do I need? |
| [00:08:30] | [R]: | Beirdo: 10? |
| [00:08:36] | high-rez: | No 101 |
| [00:08:42] | high-rez: | Even I know that! |
| [00:08:55] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [00:09:30] | Beirdo: | I have 7. I just checked |
| [00:09:41] | Beirdo: | DirecTV puts it all over the frigging channel map |
| [00:09:52] | high-rez: | What is it? |
| [00:10:21] | ** high-rez is totally lost ** | |
| [00:10:23] | Beirdo: | reruns culled from all over |
| [00:10:30] | Beirdo: | a DirecTV channel |
| [00:10:38] | Beirdo: | it has Trailer Park Boys though :) |
| [00:10:48] | Beirdo: | rerun from Showcase Canada :) |
| [00:11:03] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHA |
| [00:11:20] | Beirdo: | and with no commercials, I might add |
| [00:11:26] | high-rez: | Well traffic sucks, might as well go sit in it. :) |
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| [00:11:28] | wagnerrp: | 'one major vuvuzela manufacturer even began selling its own earplugs to spectators' |
| [00:11:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:11:46] | wagnerrp: | thats got to be some form of crime right there |
| [00:12:04] | Beirdo: | free vuvuzela... earplugs, $100 |
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| [00:13:05] | wagnerrp: | some variation on a protection racket |
| [00:13:31] | sphery: | emphasis on the racket part |
| [00:13:44] | sphery: | as in making an annoying... |
| [00:13:53] | wagnerrp: | hearing protection... that is |
| [00:14:23] | sphery: | yeah, hearing protection for all the racket the vuvuzelas make |
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| [00:14:38] | sphery: | seems it's a perfect fit--definitely a protection racket |
| [00:14:57] | Beirdo: | am I evil? yes, I *censored* am! |
| [00:15:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh, Metallica. :) |
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| [00:15:37] | Beirdo: | oh bah |
| [00:15:55] | Beirdo: | Fox has NFL preseason... Eagles at Bengals |
| [00:15:57] | wagnerrp: | so a vuvuzela is a proper musical instrument |
| [00:16:01] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: why aren't you at the game? |
| [00:16:12] | wagnerrp: | capable of producing a wide range of tones, with proper voice technique |
| [00:16:15] | sphery: | Seems my work life needs to be re-sync'ed to my personal life... On TV, the lessons we learn at work help us to solve our personal problems at home that occur at the same time. That never happens to me. |
| [00:16:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yah, all of them annoying |
| [00:16:31] | Beirdo: | most horns are capable of that |
| [00:16:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why proper musicians didnt stand up against that |
| [00:16:58] | Beirdo: | my dad has a ram's horn from Israel that he can get 3 or 4 notes from |
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| [00:17:38] | wagnerrp: | i mean its the equivalent of someone just mashing on a keyboard, or mindlessly screaming at the top of their lungs |
| [00:18:14] | Beirdo: | me looks at his hand and wonders when he got that bruise... musta been while putting together the coffee table/trunk last night |
| [00:19:32] | ** Beirdo wonders where the / went ** | |
| [00:22:05] | Beirdo: | That show might be interesting: |
| [00:22:12] | Beirdo: | "It's Effin' Science" |
| [00:22:30] | sphery: | what channel |
| [00:22:33] | bjd: | Hm, quite a long time ago I found that using EIT prevented mythshutdown from shutting down – is that still the case? |
| [00:22:39] | Beirdo: | G4 |
| [00:22:44] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:23:47] | Beirdo: | Brown Eyed Girl getting massacred now |
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| [00:25:09] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I'm going home |
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| [00:53:40] | grokky: | Mythmusic is refusing to pick up some tags from my newly ripped lossless AAC files. It won't populate genre or year. Any ideas how to debug? |
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| [00:59:40] | iamlindoro: | grokky, s/refusing/does not support/ |
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| [01:01:11] | grokky: | Hi iamlindoro. Oh, oh well. I assume you mean doesn't support tags from aac files. For some reason I though it did. |
| [01:02:17] | tgm4883: | I don't suppose there is a function that will auto-expire all watched shows that I can run is there? |
| [01:02:37] | grokky: | Seems to pick up some stuff, but not all. I suppose I can always batch convert the entire tree to flac sometime if I want full tags. Just using alac for convenience in itunes/iphone/ipad. |
| [01:03:01] | iamlindoro: | grokky, MythMusic uses taglib to parse all supported formats of tag-- so what we can get from it is limited by taglib's capabilities |
| [01:05:53] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, I think there used to be a script that would do *something* like that, but I can't recall the specifics or if it was exactly what you're wanting |
| [01:06:40] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: what do you mean by 'can run'? |
| [01:06:49] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, ok thanks. I'm just trying to mass delete everything i've already watched |
| [01:06:57] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, something like a script that I can run right now |
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| [01:07:03] | tgm4883: | or a button in mythweb I can push |
| [01:07:04] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [01:07:06] | tgm4883: | a job I can run |
| [01:07:08] | ** wagnerrp isnt thinking straight ** | |
| [01:07:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, couple lines in python would do it |
| [01:07:26] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 or trunk? |
| [01:07:30] | tgm4883: | not something i'd do often, just when things go bad |
| [01:07:33] | tgm4883: | 0.23.1 |
| [01:07:43] | sphery: | yeah, nothing to do it for watched shows, only for deleted shows |
| [01:07:59] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [01:08:13] | wagnerrp: | have to check for a second whats actually in 0.23, ive added a few commands in trunk that would aid with that |
| [01:08:47] | sphery: | heh, tried to figure out a way to do it, but then I found a bug |
| [01:08:47] | tgm4883: | that would be helpful. ATM i'm manually deleting watched shows in mythweb. Theres a lot of them on a 1TB drive |
| [01:09:34] | sphery: | If you're in Watch Recordings and you Change Group View and unselect everything except Show Watched Programs, it shows nothing. |
| [01:10:01] | Beirdo: | ugh, just enough caffeine (finally) to feel human again |
| [01:10:08] | ** tgm4883 slaps head ** | |
| [01:10:28] | tgm4883: | so yea, i've been deleting these, which just puts them in my deleted group |
| [01:10:49] | wagnerrp: | watched isnt passed in the programinfo structure? |
| [01:11:02] | tgm4883: | dang myself for setting this up so if someone accidently deletes a show it isn't really deleted :) |
| [01:11:33] | wagnerrp: | it is in the database though |
| [01:11:43] | sphery: | tgm4883: if you want to just delete the Deleted shows, the /best/ way is to go into Watched Recordings, Change Group Filter, Deleted, then Add this Group to Playlist, then Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
| [01:12:17] | sphery: | the other way is to run the hack of a script that does it for you |
| [01:12:23] | sphery: | flush_deleted_recgroup.pl |
| [01:12:25] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok, but they have to be "deleted" first |
| [01:12:30] | sphery: | completely unnecessary since the UI does it |
| [01:12:38] | sphery: | yeah, that only selects Deleted ones |
| [01:12:54] | sphery: | Watched are only special in that you can tell it /not/ to show them--no way to get it to show only them |
| [01:12:55] | tgm4883: | ok, i'll do it via the UI, just have to finish deleting all of these shows |
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| [01:13:18] | sphery: | so watched is, "don't show me this one until I specifically ask to see it" |
| [01:13:31] | wagnerrp: | try http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/index.php |
| [01:13:34] | wagnerrp: | erm |
| [01:13:43] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1921763 |
| [01:14:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, I knew people said you can do a lot with little code in Python, but 0 lines... nice |
| [01:14:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:14:47] | wagnerrp: | tells you its going to delete any program scheduled for expiration and already watched |
| [01:14:49] | sphery: | tgm4883: wagnerrp's script would be great, then you can just delete from deleted |
| [01:14:52] | wagnerrp: | and then proceeds to do nothing |
| [01:15:08] | wagnerrp: | (uncomment to make it actually do something dangerous) |
| [01:15:43] | sphery: | I hope we'll make the filtering better in watch recordings, eventually, but we have some other stuff that needs work first |
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| [01:18:30] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, looks good, now to uncomment |
| [01:20:47] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, that works great! Moves it to the deleted group as a step to verify it contains nothing I want to keep, then just use sphery's suggestion to delete that list |
| [01:20:51] | tgm4883: | you guys rock! |
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| [01:25:16] | Beirdo: | sphery: is it the callsign or name that has to match? |
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| [01:29:39] | sphery: | Beirdo: callsign |
| [01:29:47] | Beirdo: | K |
| [01:29:50] | Beirdo: | thanks :) |
| [01:29:56] | sphery: | y/w |
| [01:29:56] | Beirdo: | I'm collapsing them down |
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| [01:30:58] | Beirdo: | I think I'll collapse the HD and non HD DirecTV too |
| [01:31:16] | bjd: | new backend |
| [01:31:17] | bjd: | :D |
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| [01:42:23] | Beirdo: | dang. |
| [01:42:29] | Beirdo: | now KONG is working fine |
| [01:42:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:43:54] | Beirdo: | high-rez: is KONG-SD always the same as KONG-DT for content? |
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| [01:52:42] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [01:52:56] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [01:53:07] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Yes. |
| [01:53:21] | high-rez: | 16_1 and 16_2 are basically mirrors. |
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| [01:54:02] | high-rez: | I know 4 and 7 have non mirror _2's. 9 has 3 watchable sub channels – and one that can tune but myth doesn't know what to do with |
| [01:54:18] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: is there any way to get watch status through the backend? |
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| [01:54:25] | ekristen: | or set the watch status even? |
| [01:54:36] | wagnerrp: | oh the timing... |
| [01:55:03] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1921763 |
| [01:56:15] | ekristen: | awesome |
| [01:56:29] | wagnerrp: | the syntax is slightly different in trunk |
| [01:56:33] | wagnerrp: | but the process is the same |
| [01:56:43] | wagnerrp: | its the 'watched' field in the database |
| [01:57:00] | wagnerrp: | but for whatever reason, thats not available in the programinfo structure |
| [01:57:03] | high-rez: | Wow, neato – ati has released full 2d, 3d, and hardware video accel support for the radeon 5000 series according to /.'s link to phoronic ? |
| [01:57:08] | high-rez: | +x |
| [01:57:30] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: why didnt they just release the drivers for everyone? |
| [01:57:42] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: that sucks |
| [01:57:46] | ekristen: | no wonder I can't find it |
| [01:57:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, I get 9 and 10 as MPEG channels too |
| [01:57:52] | high-rez: | hmmf just x-video? |
| [01:58:02] | ekristen: | how can we get it added to the prgraminfo? |
| [01:58:31] | high-rez: | Beirdo: I think there's a 9_4 or something like that which myth freaks out on. |
| [01:58:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, this is instead of the fglrx stuff |
| [01:58:43] | Beirdo: | heh, so does my TV |
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| [01:59:19] | wagnerrp: | ekristen: might want to talk to danielk about that, he was the last one to touch that structure |
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| [02:00:11] | wagnerrp: | i just use the external access, i dont know why they were made that way |
| [02:01:01] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: ok, it seems like it would be really easy to return that field in the program structure ... |
| [02:01:23] | ekristen: | so is the only way to get access to the watched field through expired in the python bindings? |
| [02:01:25] | high-rez: | Hmm, wth. Looks like they implemented xvideo support – but no video accelerated decoding and are calling it done :( |
| [02:01:38] | sphery: | ekristen: the idea is to move more out of program info rather than put more into it |
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| [02:01:42] | wagnerrp: | the only way to get access to the watched field is through the database |
| [02:01:49] | sphery: | it was too big and getting all that info every time was too slow |
| [02:01:55] | sphery: | so trimming it down to the basics |
| [02:02:08] | sphery: | then users wanting more can do additional queries to retrieve additional info |
| [02:02:08] | ekristen: | sphery: I can understand that |
| [02:02:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: isnt watched a UI statetype that the frontend has to pull anyway? |
| [02:02:49] | ekristen: | though I would argue that the watched field is a fairly important one to include rather than exclude |
| [02:03:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but programinfos are passed around everywhere--not just to frontends |
| [02:03:16] | sphery: | since watched isn't used by all programinfo users... |
| [02:03:16] | iamlindoro: | and not just for recordings |
| [02:03:26] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:03:36] | sphery: | also for programs :) |
| [02:03:42] | sphery: | (i.e. in the listings) |
| [02:04:14] | iamlindoro: | technically speaking, even MythVideo passes in a pginfo to the player... though I *hate* that |
| [02:04:15] | sphery: | it's possible that recordinginfo has it, but I wouldn't guarantee that it will always be properly populated, even if it does |
| [02:04:24] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: so I have to query the database directly no capability with the python bindings? |
| [02:04:36] | wagnerrp: | did you read the pastebin? |
| [02:04:38] | sphery: | yeah, hope the recordedfile schema stuff helps with the mythvideo usage of it |
| [02:04:43] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [02:05:02] | wagnerrp: | watched is a database field, exposed through the Recorded object |
| [02:05:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yes, ideally we make the player take some super-amalgamated-info object |
| [02:05:42] | ekristen: | sorry I misread, I thought it came off the getExpiring the first time I read it |
| [02:05:46] | wagnerrp: | you pull the recorded object for the program object given from the backend |
| [02:05:56] | wagnerrp: | and its the 'watched' attribute in the recorded object |
| [02:05:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Because obviously a LOT of info gets dropped going into the player right now from Mythvideo-- I already hack season and episode into channum |
| [02:05:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, I'll make a note of your suggested class name :) |
| [02:06:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery, AmalgamatedInfoCorp |
| [02:08:59] | iamlindoro: | LLC |
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| [02:10:29] | sphery: | So, it's official. I'm confused about ATI's FOSS support/strategy. |
| [02:11:27] | sphery: | will be interesting to see how they handle next-gen core support |
| [02:11:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery, whahappened? |
| [02:11:46] | sphery: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 3d&num=1 |
| [02:11:55] | sphery: | as ref'ed by high-rez |
| [02:11:56] | wagnerrp: | development grade opensource drivers |
| [02:12:09] | wagnerrp: | full 2d, 3d, and video decode acceleration |
| [02:12:22] | sphery: | for HD 5xxx series |
| [02:12:25] | sphery: | newest series only |
| [02:12:28] | iamlindoro: | Weiiiird |
| [02:12:38] | ** iamlindoro checks that Friday the 13th was actually LAST week ** | |
| [02:12:39] | wagnerrp: | not to be considered stable for normal operation |
| [02:12:42] | sphery: | that's why I'm wonder what will happen with their next series |
| [02:13:08] | sphery: | Additionally, John will be re-tasking AMD's open-source developers within a week or two. With the foundation of the Evergreen 2D/3D/video support now laid, AMD will leave the rest up to the open-source community to complete while John will take AMD's limited internal developers and begin working on their next-generation support. |
| [02:13:13] | iamlindoro: | sphery, They'll just send the specs for the chips to the FSF and go for a beer |
| [02:13:29] | sphery: | saying they don't want it to take nearly a year for there to be FOSS 23/3D support after the next launch |
| [02:13:40] | high-rez: | I think they're pushing forward with supporting new sillicon. Makes sense – want the best opensource 2d/3d supprot? Buy our new hardware... |
| [02:14:04] | high-rez: | I can't believe I"m watching cmt |
| [02:14:08] | ** high-rez changes the channel ** | |
| [02:14:14] | sphery: | AMD's Radeon HD 6000 series whose GPU family codename is "Southern Islands" is launching later this year. Besides their open-source developers starting early on this Linux upbringing (their proprietary driver team still should have same-day Linux support), it's rumored that the ATI Radeon HD 6000 architectural changes aren't too significant, which should reduce the workload of the open-source developers by being able to build ... |
| [02:14:17] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: but thats the fruition of promises from 5 years ago |
| [02:14:20] | sphery: | ... upon the existing DRM/Mesa/DDX code. |
| [02:14:28] | sphery: | /very/ confusing that they have 2 separate dev teams working separately |
| [02:14:28] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I may just be missing it, but what about video/codec decode? |
| [02:15:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: high-rez promised to watch Country Music Television 5 years ago? |
| [02:15:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that theyre actually releasing something of worth open source |
| [02:15:45] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: its in the slashdot summary, but i dont see it on the actual phoronix article |
| [02:15:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I /think/ it's just Xv accel |
| [02:15:57] | iamlindoro: | /. strikes again :) |
| [02:16:04] | wagnerrp: | maybe thats what EXA is? |
| [02:16:07] | sphery: | (which is now dependent on 3D support due to EXA) |
| [02:16:17] | sphery: | no, EXA is one style for Xv |
| [02:16:35] | high-rez: | Country music, its like a breath of bad air. |
| [02:16:46] | sphery: | In computing, EXA is a graphics acceleration architecture of the X.Org Server (see also X Window System) designed to replace XAA [1] (the XFree86 Acceleration Architecture) and to make the XRender extension more usable, with only minor changes needed to adapt XFree86 video drivers written to use XAA; |
| [02:17:13] | sphery: | basically, this is the "combine" 2D and 3D accel solution |
| [02:17:17] | high-rez: | Sounds like this code release doesn't have any vdpau, vaapi, xvba type support. |
| [02:17:27] | iamlindoro: | Also, where the hell is my Linux Steam client? |
| [02:17:46] | wagnerrp: | steam has a linux client |
| [02:17:51] | wagnerrp: | (sorta) |
| [02:17:52] | sphery: | hey, I'd be more interested in an XBox 360 Steam client |
| [02:17:55] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Its right behind your linux having 10% of the desktop market share. :) |
| [02:18:04] | wagnerrp: | ive used it for years |
| [02:18:18] | sphery: | and then a way to re-platform my purchases to PS3 when my 360 gets another RRoD out of warranty |
| [02:18:22] | wagnerrp: | i think it supports most of the Source games |
| [02:19:39] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, a Linux Steam client is comign |
| [02:19:44] | iamlindoro: | this year |
| [02:19:49] | iamlindoro: | so it's no joke |
| [02:20:30] | high-rez: | Hmm, there's something up with trunk and vdpau video reinit |
| [02:20:39] | high-rez: | On channel change... |
| [02:20:51] | kormoc: | high-rez, audio mismatch? |
| [02:21:05] | sphery: | something's up with trunk, i'n'it? |
| [02:21:22] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/1921792 ? |
| [02:21:44] | high-rez: | kormoc: No. Like you change channel and audio is great, but the last few key frames from the previous channel keep repeating over and over |
| [02:21:48] | high-rez: | kormoc: Looks reallky funk |
| [02:21:50] | high-rez: | y |
| [02:21:57] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, they're releasing the whole shebang-- full client, store, etc. |
| [02:22:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, this is just the command line dedicated server client |
| [02:22:21] | high-rez: | God I wish my cat wouldn't walk on my keyboard while I pastebin |
| [02:22:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, steamplay too |
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| [02:23:02] | iamlindoro: | They just got Apple/nVidia/ATi to improve their OS X drivers to improve performance 15–120% |
| [02:23:11] | iamlindoro: | maybe they can exert pressure for linux GL performance ;) |
| [02:23:41] | high-rez: | Here: http://pastebin.ca/1921793 |
| [02:24:07] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [02:24:12] | wagnerrp: | love that error |
| [02:25:10] | wagnerrp: | maybe theyll have it around in time for black mesa source |
| [02:25:26] | iamlindoro: | Would be nice |
| [02:25:32] | high-rez: | I don't see anything in the log that could explain this bug |
| [02:25:33] | iamlindoro: | Since BMS shows no signs of release |
| [02:25:49] | high-rez: | But my old trunk checkout of about a week ago didn't have this problem |
| [02:26:02] | kormoc: | high-rez, so start reverting |
| [02:26:14] | wagnerrp: | BMS say whether or not their levels will be spatially coherent? |
| [02:26:27] | iamlindoro: | Not that I've seen one way or another |
| [02:26:44] | high-rez: | kormoc: Schema change, i don't keep backups, etc etc etc. ;) |
| [02:26:51] | wagnerrp: | because the original design had some funky dimensional folding going on |
| [02:26:54] | high-rez: | (too lazy to figure out what the change was) |
| [02:27:12] | wagnerrp: | the maps overlapped upon previous maps in multiple places |
| [02:27:14] | iamlindoro: | Guess it's not bad enough to need fixing then ;) |
| [02:27:57] | high-rez: | Hey man, I've gotten in my bug reporting quota for the month :D |
| [02:27:58] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [02:27:59] | wagnerrp: | of course no one actually cares about that, except for nutjobs still playing the original 13 years later... :) |
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| [02:44:07] | dougt: | question: i have one HD-PVR, and another one in the box. I was figuring on controlling the source via firewire. does anyone know of a simply way of forcing/ensuring that a given HD-PRV shows up on the same video device? |
| [02:44:33] | [R]: | dougt: udev rules |
| [02:45:14] | high-rez: | udev rules are complicated. just never reboot and you'll be ok. |
| [02:45:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:45:40] | dougt: | high-rez: that is where I am now. :-) |
| [02:46:12] | kormoc: | dougt, this is my udev rule for my hdpvr, http://pastebin.ca/1921801 |
| [02:46:24] | kormoc: | all you should have to do is update your serial number and the name |
| [02:46:39] | kormoc: | (perhaps mode and group/owner too if you wanted/needed) |
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| [02:48:05] | dougt: | kormoc: cool! |
| [02:48:44] | dougt: | now just waiting for a downtime to try it out. |
| [02:49:40] | high-rez: | Hmm mythmnusic (or whatever its called) doesn't use the builtin file transfer capability? One must mount the remote partition ? |
| [02:49:47] | kormoc: | yes |
| [02:49:48] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:50:09] | high-rez: | Not all at once now. |
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| [02:50:26] | Beirdo: | OK, collapsed all my duplicate channels |
| [02:50:29] | high-rez: | :) |
| [02:50:30] | Beirdo: | that took a while |
| [02:50:34] | dougt: | mythmusic didn't really work for me... and now I know why. |
| [02:50:51] | high-rez: | works for me – just not on my remote machine. Guess I'll have to setup samba |
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| [03:00:58] | dougt: | is doug haber around? |
| [03:05:33] | ThisOtherGuy: | yup |
| [03:07:55] | dougt: | ThisOtherGuy: you him? |
| [03:07:59] | ThisOtherGuy: | yup |
| [03:08:14] | dougt: | i am the other doug in the HD-PVR bug. |
| [03:08:24] | dougt: | #8261 |
| [03:08:54] | dougt: | ooc, have you tried the git repo? it has the latest ffmpeg drop. |
| [03:11:15] | ThisOtherGuy: | I have not – what git repo? |
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| [03:12:37] | dougt: | http://git.jannau.net/git/mythtv.complete/log . . . g_sync_25753 |
| [03:13:05] | dougt: | there was a posting on the mythtv-dev mailing list about it. "FFmpeg sync for 0.24" |
| [03:13:44] | dougt: | it looked like some of the valgrind issues were cleared up in the upstream h264 code. |
| [03:14:10] | high-rez: | So browse all channels doesn't really do what I thought it would. I can browse em but if I'm not already on the tuner on the slave backend, it'll just ignore me :( |
| [03:14:28] | ThisOtherGuy: | dougt: I'm on 25777 and I still get the error |
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| [03:15:00] | dougt: | ThisOtherGuy: right.... that repo hasn't landed yet |
| [03:15:14] | dougt: | (or I really don't think it has) |
| [03:16:48] | Big_D_271: | anybody have trouble connecting a remote frontend to a backend? R 6.03? |
| [03:17:23] | Big_D_271: | I don't have 127.0.0.1 as the IP of the master.. I have a LAN IP address (static) |
| [03:17:29] | ** iamlindoro wonders what R 6.03 is ** | |
| [03:17:42] | Big_D_271: | wups.. |
| [03:17:51] | Big_D_271: | lol... LinHES 6.03 ... myth 0.23 |
| [03:18:10] | kormoc: | Big_D_271, did you follow the mysql setup for remote frontends? |
| [03:18:16] | kormoc: | is mysql listening on your lan port? |
| [03:18:37] | Big_D_271: | um... i'm a noob when it comes to mysql |
| [03:18:44] | Big_D_271: | how can i check? |
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| [03:19:04] | ThisOtherGuy: | sorry – I got booted |
| [03:19:22] | ThisOtherGuy: | dougt: I'm scared to try anything other than svn trunk – have you tried it? |
| [03:19:48] | dougt: | nope. figuring I could convince you to do it. ;-) |
| [03:20:10] | dougt: | kormoc: i do something like this on restart (with the HD-PRV): v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 --set-input 2 |
| [03:20:14] | dougt: | kormoc: is there a better way? |
| [03:20:25] | ThisOtherGuy: | your cool first name is working in your favor – but not enough I'm afraid |
| [03:20:37] | dougt: | heh. ;-) |
| [03:21:03] | kormoc: | dougt, I don't do anything like that, mythtv knows how to set that |
| [03:21:12] | dougt: | okay. |
| [03:21:40] | dougt: | ThisOtherGuy: maybe we can get a test file for some of the devs working on this.... /me asks in the forbidden channel. |
| [03:22:58] | ThisOtherGuy: | I'm happy to give whatever they need |
| [03:22:59] | Big_D_271: | "connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost" |
| [03:23:08] | Big_D_271: | i'm assuming i need to fix this in mysql? |
| [03:24:45] | ThisOtherGuy: | dougt: It's sleepy time for me, please post to the ticket if you need anything from me |
| [03:25:00] | dougt: | np. good night Doug. ;-) |
| [03:25:10] | ThisOtherGuy: | :-) |
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| [03:28:34] | iamlindoro: | s/the ticket/the dev list/ pretty pretty please |
| [03:31:45] | dougt: | ? |
| [03:31:50] | dougt: | oh... on the dev list. |
| [03:31:56] | dougt: | is that really better? |
| [03:32:18] | wagnerrp: | commentary goes to the dev list |
| [03:32:26] | wagnerrp: | new information related to the ticket goes on the ticket |
| [03:33:27] | iamlindoro: | right, only things you need to communicate to the dev who owns the ticket goes in the ticket |
| [03:33:33] | iamlindoro: | notes to one another go to the dev list |
| [03:34:36] | iamlindoro: | Take, for example, "I am still seeing this" that Doug posted earlier |
| [03:34:42] | iamlindoro: | that *really* should result in a locked ticket |
| [03:34:43] | Beirdo: | Oh yeah, I was gonna do a commflag speed test with the new ffmpeg sync |
| [03:37:40] | high-rez: | Is that sync on its way to the normal old trunk branch ? |
| [03:37:50] | iamlindoro: | yes, when janne feels' it's ready |
| [03:37:55] | iamlindoro: | but pre-.24, yes |
| [03:38:00] | high-rez: | Fantastic |
| [03:38:32] | Beirdo: | well, unless we find massive issues with it of course |
| [03:39:08] | iamlindoro: | We've never not had an ffmpeg sync between releases, there's no reason to believe that it will be any exception this time |
| [03:39:58] | Beirdo: | well, one thing I noticed that distresses me |
| [03:40:12] | Beirdo: | h264 commflagging seems to be a LOT slower |
| [03:40:12] | high-rez: | The care bears? |
| [03:40:17] | high-rez: | Oh |
| [03:40:22] | Beirdo: | but I'll be testing it to be sure |
| [03:40:37] | Beirdo: | probably not a good reason to hold off though |
| [03:40:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, care bears are extremely distressing |
| [03:40:51] | Beirdo: | hehe, yes, they are |
| [03:41:01] | Beirdo: | my pizza smells almost done |
| [03:41:08] | high-rez: | mmm pizza |
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| [03:47:22] | Big_D_271: | kormoc do you know how i would change the mysql database to allow for LAN access? |
| [03:49:54] | kormoc: | Big_D_271, Results of your google query for "Mythtv modify mysql permissions" http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql |
| [03:50:53] | Big_D_271: | thanks kormoc ... i will read through this |
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| [04:43:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and I'm prepared to be FlashForward-disappointed by The Event |
| [04:43:59] | iamlindoro: | yup |
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| [05:55:10] | Beirdo: | quiet night |
| [05:55:41] | sphery: | *chirp* *chirp* |
| [05:55:57] | Beirdo: | pretty much |
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| [06:01:03] | araldit: | has anyone tried making a virtualized backend with xen or kvm? |
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| [06:04:03] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [06:04:34] | Beirdo: | what gain is there to virtualizing a backend? |
| [06:04:50] | araldit: | I need to know if it has succeeded, and if so, was it xen or kvm, and did you use pci passthrough |
| [06:05:01] | Beirdo: | no. I did not |
| [06:05:11] | Beirdo: | and why would I? |
| [06:05:20] | araldit: | Beirdo: Are you kidding me? |
| [06:05:29] | Beirdo: | no I'm not kidding |
| [06:05:54] | sphery: | so far, no one coming in here has been able to come up with a valid reason to deploy a backend on a virtual machine |
| [06:06:00] | Beirdo: | there's not much to be gained in virtualizing something that requires nearly 100% CPU for some operation modes |
| [06:06:01] | sphery: | versus just running it directly |
| [06:06:19] | araldit: | Beirdo: Ofcourse there is |
| [06:07:04] | Beirdo: | very convincing argument |
| [06:07:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:07:31] | sphery: | seems most people who want to do it are thinking it would be good because VM's are the cool thing of the day |
| [06:07:39] | araldit: | Beirdo: I want to run 0.23 around the house. I also want to help develop on 0.24. So when I do, I swithch the machine to 0.24, let all the frontends boot via a 0.24 pxe boot.. Then im ready. |
| [06:07:50] | sphery: | and everything they're trying to do could be accomplished--much more simply--without a VM |
| [06:07:57] | Beirdo: | you don't need a VM for that |
| [06:08:11] | Beirdo: | I have about 10 different devel branches installed |
| [06:08:38] | sphery: | I have a separate machine that runs my development system |
| [06:08:39] | Beirdo: | and all you'd need to do is put the 0.23 database under a different name (or the devel one) |
| [06:08:50] | sphery: | that way, I don't have to worry about shutting down production when it needs to record something |
| [06:08:56] | araldit: | Beirdo: Ofcourse I dont, but this way I can have it completely seperated, and not having to worry about wrecking something while playing around. |
| [06:09:01] | sphery: | and I never have to schedule my development time around my recording schedule |
| [06:09:30] | Beirdo: | sphery: hehe, I do have a devel box, but so far it's not getting a lot of use. I should fix that. |
| [06:09:36] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [06:09:43] | sphery: | so much nicer having a separate machine |
| [06:10:02] | sphery: | especially when you have to do those tests where you have to do stupid things that break the system to repro bugs |
| [06:10:09] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [06:10:11] | araldit: | sphery: Besides, my backend only utilises around 5% of the machine power. So I will be having windows aswell to when that is needed |
| [06:10:32] | Beirdo: | araldit: I guess you never commflag or transcode then |
| [06:10:36] | sphery: | (i.e. things like changing the clock to a near-DST-changeover time, which writes files with invalid date/timestamps to the file system and other such ugliness) |
| [06:10:39] | araldit: | sphery: Exactly, now there is no need for a seperate machine |
| [06:11:06] | araldit: | Beirdo: Ofcourse I do, but I can have it schedulud to do it at night |
| [06:11:08] | Beirdo: | sphery: hehe, yeah, we should make a project to "fix" all that... later |
| [06:11:16] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:11:36] | sphery: | araldit: let's just say there are /much/ easier ways |
| [06:11:53] | Beirdo: | araldit: it SHOULD be possible to do with xen with PCI passthru, but I don't know anyone has bothered |
| [06:12:01] | Beirdo: | easier to just buy another box for devel |
| [06:12:16] | sphery: | and with a great development system costing around $150 (or a good one available for cheap or even free depending on where you can scrounge up hardware)... |
| [06:12:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, mine cost $80 |
| [06:12:33] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:12:35] | Beirdo: | and that was just 2G RAM |
| [06:15:05] | araldit: | Beirdo: Its not much easier. When I have my system up this way, everything goes much smoother.. Or at least if the hardware plays with me, not against. |
| [06:15:22] | Beirdo: | heh, well, good luck geeking out :) |
| [06:15:40] | Beirdo: | Oooh, I should drop the third PVR-250 into the devel box |
| [06:16:20] | araldit: | Beirdo: Why? PVR-250 only does analog channels? Why not go digital? |
| [06:16:29] | Beirdo: | sigh. |
| [06:16:33] | Beirdo: | I know that. |
| [06:16:43] | araldit: | Beirdo: Then why? |
| [06:16:53] | sphery: | it's a development-only system |
| [06:16:59] | Beirdo: | it's sitting on the shelf, and it will give me a tuner to test silly things with |
| [06:17:05] | sphery: | he's got digital/hdtv available on the real system |
| [06:17:13] | araldit: | Nice |
| [06:17:28] | Beirdo: | my production machine has 1 HDPVR, 2 PVR-250, dual channel HD Homerun for OTA |
| [06:17:52] | Beirdo: | yay, no compile error |
| [06:18:30] | Beirdo: | if I can find my old OTA receiver box, I can even record OTA crap on the devel box |
| [06:18:44] | Beirdo: | but I will need to replace the 2-way splitter with a 4-way |
| [06:19:07] | Beirdo: | 2 for the HD-Homerun, one for the TV, one for the devel box |
| [06:20:30] | Beirdo: | heh, crud |
| [06:20:39] | Beirdo: | I'd need another IR transmitter. |
| [06:20:41] | araldit: | How many frontends are you using? |
| [06:20:48] | Beirdo: | one right now |
| [06:20:54] | Beirdo: | 2 tomorrow, hopefully |
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| [06:21:52] | araldit: | What type of frontend is that? |
| [06:22:04] | araldit: | Im just curious if its a silent one |
| [06:22:04] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [06:22:08] | Beirdo: | no |
| [06:22:12] | Beirdo: | not even close |
| [06:22:24] | Beirdo: | hehe, it's my production backend machine as well |
| [06:22:28] | Beirdo: | and it's not quiet |
| [06:22:30] | araldit: | oh |
| [06:22:36] | Beirdo: | the second one will be a fit-pc2 |
| [06:22:49] | Beirdo: | assuming I can get the vaapi patch to work right :) |
| [06:22:56] | araldit: | hehe yeah |
| [06:24:45] | Beirdo: | still waiting for the plugins to finish |
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| [07:22:04] | eyedle: | myth support the new ceton card? |
| [07:29:48] | Beirdo: | !url tuners |
| [07:29:48] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [09:36:35] | justinh: | ceton? never even heard of em |
| [09:37:14] | justinh: | ouch. well you can bet they ain't supported on loonix |
| [09:38:17] | justinh: | and as for cablecard having any point on linux... MEH |
| [09:51:02] | Beirdo: | CableCard has plenty of point on Linux |
| [09:51:37] | Beirdo: | you are behind the times a touch. The new HD Homerun Prime should be able to be useful |
| [09:52:10] | Beirdo: | won't do me any good, as I don't have cable |
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| [09:55:24] | Beirdo: | OK, done with that |
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| [10:04:35] | justinh: | only useful if they've got content marked copy freely IIRC.. which may or may not get folks as much as they'd get over firewire from a STB |
| [10:09:53] | Beirdo: | which should get them about what they get on firewire |
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| [10:10:03] | Beirdo: | which in some markets is a LOT |
| [10:10:10] | Beirdo: | and in some... nearly squat |
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| [10:12:17] | cbovy: | hi, quick question about fanart and how the location is saved in videometadata. jamu uses filename only of fanart file, while MythVideo stores full path in videometadata. |
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| [10:12:58] | cbovy: | if fanart is configured with jamu, Mythvideo can load it. When I get metadata using key 'w' it works correctly (full path stored). |
| [10:13:58] | cbovy: | s/can/can't/ |
| [10:15:40] | cbovy: | How should the field fanart in videometadata be filled? With or without path? |
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| [10:35:21] | cbovy: | mythvideo.fanartDir is configured correctly, but mythvideo doesn't check this directory if videometadata.fanart just contains filename (without path). |
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| [11:27:22] | btwe: | Hi, s.b. knows how to import/add avi or videos in other formats into the mythtv (0.22) media library? I am using the 'real' server/client solution, so these video files have to be streamed from my server to the clients. |
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| [12:38:08] | bjd: | I've got a frontend that wakes up a combo back/frontend – when that wakes up mythwelcome will run and start the frontend on that box thus preventing it from shutting down when the remote frontend disconnects? |
| [12:42:55] | justinh: | that's easily overcome. stop using mythwelcome :) |
| [12:47:23] | bjd: | Yeah, be nice to have it shutdown when it's not needed tho :) |
| [12:47:58] | bjd: | but kinda hard to implement |
| [12:48:07] | justinh: | so why not have a script which polls the frontend periodically & shuts down when needed? |
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| [12:53:47] | bjd: | sounds like an interesting idea, is there an API or something you can query to find the status of the frontend? |
| [12:54:02] | justinh: | the telnet interface for one |
| [12:54:11] | justinh: | query location |
| [12:57:51] | bjd: | ok, ta |
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| [13:43:02] | wagnerrp: | btwe: you add the folder to the storage group on the backend holding the content |
| [13:43:05] | wagnerrp: | restart the backend |
| [13:43:10] | wagnerrp: | go into mythvideo on the frontend |
| [13:43:20] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm' --> 'scan for content' |
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| [15:55:10] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [15:55:16] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [15:55:51] | ekristen: | was looking through the docs, but didn't see a way to do it, so I thought I'd ask you — can I get the thumbnail of a recording using the python bindings? |
| [15:56:02] | ekristen: | is it accessible maybe via the getRecorded() method? |
| [15:57:06] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure i added something for trunk |
| [15:58:49] | wagnerrp: | MythXML.getPreviewImage(chanid,starttime[,width, height, secsin]) |
| [16:01:00] | ekristen: | k |
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| [16:21:18] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [16:22:21] | SNIFFER_dog: | Hi all, I have no UPNP when I try and start mythtv. I can't remeber how to solve this and ive spent 3 days trying. I've done a fresh install with Fedora Core 13. Any ideas? |
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| [16:23:28] | mattwj2002: | my handbrake is fast for encoding |
| [16:23:33] | mattwj2002: | *man |
| [16:23:46] | kormoc: | SNIFFER_dog, did you disable it? Do you have a valid mulitcast route? |
| [16:24:44] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: handbrake is no faster than its external encoders |
| [16:24:48] | mattwj2002: | I am using it for transcoding my mythtv recordings to ipod touch format.....it is peaking over 130 fps |
| [16:24:56] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt actually develop encoding libraries, it just pulls in external ones |
| [16:25:12] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [16:25:22] | wagnerrp: | so... 'man x264 is fast for encoding' |
| [16:25:29] | wagnerrp: | are you doing two pass? |
| [16:25:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ooh, you and your truths and logic! |
| [16:25:45] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure |
| [16:25:52] | mattwj2002: | here is what I did |
| [16:25:56] | wagnerrp: | if youre doing 2-pass, and this is the first pass |
| [16:26:04] | wagnerrp: | its likely handbrake is using a 'turbo mode' |
| [16:26:18] | wagnerrp: | where the first pass is running at substantially reduced quality settings |
| [16:26:28] | mattwj2002: | https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets#iphone |
| [16:26:33] | wagnerrp: | since all youre trying to do is get a rough estimate of the quantity of motion |
| [16:26:52] | wagnerrp: | so you can better adjust your quantizer in the second pass to match your desired average bitrate |
| [16:27:57] | mattwj2002: | I don't think I am doing two passes though |
| [16:28:06] | mattwj2002: | one moment |
| [16:29:06] | wagnerrp: | well youre doing fairly low resolution |
| [16:29:13] | wagnerrp: | quantizer... i dont know |
| [16:29:23] | wagnerrp: | handbrake has its own internal value that i dont know the scale of |
| [16:29:33] | wagnerrp: | independent of x264's quantizer values |
| [16:29:49] | mattwj2002: | the other thing I noticed |
| [16:29:55] | kormoc: | it's doing low quality single pass from mpeg2 to h264 |
| [16:30:23] | mattwj2002: | it might be using my cpu's math capabilities |
| [16:30:27] | mattwj2002: | mmx and such |
| [16:30:30] | kormoc: | 128 kilobits per second isn't that much |
| [16:30:39] | wagnerrp: | ah, the -B |
| [16:30:42] | SNIFFER_dog: | +kormoc, ok how can i test a valid mulicast route? |
| [16:30:51] | kormoc: | standback, I'm using MATH! |
| [16:31:02] | wagnerrp: | your using umh, so thats a low/mid-level motion estimator |
| [16:31:08] | wagnerrp: | not very intensive |
| [16:31:13] | kormoc: | SNIFFER_dog, checking the route table for a 239.0.0.0 entry? |
| [16:31:21] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: are you using 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| [16:31:28] | mattwj2002: | 64 bit |
| [16:31:41] | wagnerrp: | then you arent using mmx |
| [16:31:43] | mattwj2002: | ubuntu 10.04 |
| [16:31:59] | mattwj2002: | sorry wrong technology :P |
| [16:32:02] | wagnerrp: | mmx has been removed from the amd64/em64t available list |
| [16:32:03] | kormoc: | sse3/sse2 is more likely (and something we all use...) |
| [16:32:47] | mattwj2002: | I'll give you a list in a second |
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| [16:33:09] | ** kormoc wonders why ** | |
| [16:33:18] | mattwj2002: | ooh it is |
| [16:33:40] | mattwj2002: | mmx2 sse2fast fastshuffle ssemisalign lzcnt |
| [16:33:42] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [16:33:47] | mattwj2002: | I was close |
| [16:33:48] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [16:33:48] | SNIFFER_dog: | +kormoc, with ifconfig -a nothing lists 239.0.0.0 |
| [16:34:37] | kormoc: | SNIFFER_dog, that's devices, not the route table, you'd need to use something like 'route -n' |
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| [16:35:52] | SNIFFER_dog: | ok not listed there |
| [16:36:03] | SNIFFER_dog: | just my router |
| [16:36:23] | kormoc: | Is your router setup to support upnp? |
| [16:36:29] | kormoc: | (forward it on/etc) |
| [16:36:33] | SNIFFER_dog: | should be |
| [16:36:38] | SNIFFER_dog: | hang on |
| [16:36:41] | kormoc: | if not, you'll have to bypass it, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP#Troubleshooting |
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| [17:02:47] | thayward: | will mythtv auto-expire based on disk quota, or just fail to write new recordings when the quota is reached? |
| [17:03:31] | wagnerrp: | if you have anything available to auto-expire, it will expire it to make room for a new recording |
| [17:03:54] | wagnerrp: | if youve set per-show limits, you must have set to expire old recordings and record new |
| [17:05:19] | thayward: | wagnerrp: my quotas are all OS-level. If I'm reading your first comment right, you're saying mythtv will detect free space relative to the disk quota, not the partition? |
| [17:07:28] | wagnerrp: | if your OS-level quotas make the disks artificially appear as if they have less free space, then mythtv will handle them properly |
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| [17:13:00] | thayward: | wagnerrp: that all depends on the API mythtv is using to check free disk space. |
| [17:14:01] | wagnerrp: | theres only the one API |
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| [17:14:52] | wagnerrp: | if you are expecting mythtv to support some mechanism specific to your quota system, the answer is no |
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| [17:20:55] | myth_leech: | Hi! Anyone else having trouble reaching www.schedulesdirect.org or using the schedules direct web services to retrieve a list of channels from mythtv-setup? |
| [17:21:34] | myth_leech: | Server seems to be responding to pings, but port 80 times out. |
| [17:21:59] | wagnerrp: | yes, the server is down, someone is looking into it |
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| [17:22:31] | myth_leech: | Cool! Thanks for the info wagnerpp. |
| [17:26:27] | myth_leech: | If it helps any with the troubleshooting efforts, I can successfully fetch the lineup from the Video sources menu. It comes back with what appears to be the correct lineup name. It's not until I go to Input connections and use the "Fetch channels from listings source" button that I see abnormal stuff with the web services. |
| [17:29:27] | myth_leech: | Looking at the console window output when I fetch channels under the "Input connections" menu, the first channel list fetch gets a 401, then it authenticates, gets a 200, but the response is only 4,238 bytes long. I wish I could get it to dump the full text of the response. |
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| [17:36:27] | myth_leech: | I also noticed that if you use "scan for channels" instead of "fetch channels", then change the scan type from "Full scan" to "Import existing scan," the "Scan to import" box does not allow any input. Am I the only person seeing that or has anyone else encountered that? A quick google didn't turn anything up... |
| [17:37:12] | myth_leech: | Last time I used that, I had to type in a path to a channels.conf file – is there some new way of importing channels.conf files? |
| [17:39:12] | wagnerrp: | the person handling it is currently not in this channel |
| [17:39:58] | myth_leech: | IRT the the outage or importing channels.conf and channel scanning? |
| [17:40:11] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [17:40:27] | wagnerrp: | hes actually one of the XMLTV devs, not one of ours |
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| [17:46:13] | myth_leech: | Ok thanks... he's probably a busy guy then :) He'd find the additional info in the channel logs if he needs it, right? |
| [17:47:59] | kormoc: | We're back up |
| [17:48:06] | myth_leech: | Sweet! |
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| [17:53:40] | myth_leech: | Ok I can get to the normal splash page (http://www.schedulesdirect.org) but I'm still having trouble fetching channels from inside mythtv-setup. I'm going to take a look at the edited channel list I have saved on schedulesdirect.org and try rebuilding that. |
| [17:55:07] | myth_leech: | And please relay thanks to whoever brought it back up! |
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| [18:14:57] | iamlindoro: | Wheee, new OSD text subtitle rendering is gorgeous with a good font (Frutiger) |
| [18:15:08] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:15:47] | Beirdo: | with [25789], are those translations just gone, or do they move somewhere else? Just curious. |
| [18:16:05] | iamlindoro: | Those translations haven't belonged there for several releases |
| [18:16:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:16:13] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [18:16:14] | iamlindoro: | They are translated in themestrings |
| [18:16:28] | Beirdo: | nice work ripping em out :) |
| [18:16:37] | iamlindoro: | But it didn't prevent translators from submitting patches against them since they saw the example |
| [18:17:01] | Beirdo: | yeah. Maintaining crap that shouldn't exist. greeeat |
| [18:17:08] | iamlindoro: | so they were wasting their time and gbee removed the ones from the core menus a few days back-- he just missed the plugin menu ones |
| [18:17:49] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:18:10] | Beirdo: | well, I should go downstairs and claim my fit-pc's harddrive from the mailroom :) |
| [18:18:23] | Beirdo: | be back shortly |
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| [18:24:16] | myth_leech: | Just a follow-up for the logs – I was having trouble fetching channels from the schedules direct web services with mythtv-setup (0.23.1, rpmfusion x86_64 rpm) from the "Input connections" menu. I was able to get the channels in from schedules direct by using this command: |
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| [18:24:54] | myth_leech: | mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels |
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| [18:25:12] | myth_leech: | But it did not insert any channels without the --do-not-filter-new-channels option |
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| [18:26:02] | myth_leech: | Still can't import the channels.conf file, but I'm now going to try manually editing the channels in the database and hand typing all the frequency/ID values from the channels.conf file. |
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| [18:26:39] | babelfish1: | been a long time mythtv user but just looking now at moving into the digital age (been using a pvr-350 so i'd been reluctant), anyone know of a good resource out there issues like, using an HDTV for output vs a big-ass monitor, or what capture cards are the rage these days? |
| [18:27:15] | kormoc: | a hdtv is just a big monitor |
| [18:27:27] | kormoc: | and imho, the best card out there is a HDPVR |
| [18:27:34] | [R]: | hdpvr isn't a card.... |
| [18:27:35] | [R]: | :P |
| [18:27:55] | kormoc: | it's close enough |
| [18:27:56] | myth_leech: | I've been having decent luck (for the most part) with a Hauppauge HVR-1600 for off the air ATSC broadcasts in North America |
| [18:28:02] | babelfish1: | i'm aware of that in abstract, but when it comes down to relative costs and the presence of a tuner and/or playing nice w/ netflix (US here) |
| [18:28:36] | [R]: | there is no netflix in linux |
| [18:28:37] | babelfish1: | i've been tempted by the hdpvr, but i am trying to make life simpler than owning a pvr-350, i feel like maybe it's out of the frying pan... :) |
| [18:28:38] | [R]: | end of story on that one |
| [18:28:54] | babelfish1: | [R] hence the advantage (potentially) of an HDTV as some have netflix baked in |
| [18:29:10] | [R]: | well myth doesn't really care about your tv |
| [18:29:14] | myth_leech: | I've been using the heck out of huludesktop on my myth box |
| [18:29:51] | myth_leech: | but the 32-bit flash on 64-bit linux did cause me some difficulties |
| [18:29:59] | babelfish1: | let me rephrase, are there any disadvantages to using an HDTV as output rather than a monitor? |
| [18:30:11] | [R]: | [11:27:15] +kormoc a hdtv is just a big monitor |
| [18:30:17] | babelfish1: | given the weird crap that us tv manufacturers tend to do |
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| [18:31:17] | myth_leech: | Honestly I kept my old NTSC TV and just upgraded my mythtv box for digital. That won't get me kickbanned will it? :) |
| [18:32:05] | [R]: | no one cares what tv you use... |
| [18:32:26] | high-rez: | For the most part an hdtv is a good solution. Some supply weird edid information that can make for a headache – but I don't think thats even a problem anymore really. |
| [18:32:55] | babelfish1: | yes, i understand that hdtv = monitor when it comes to the core internals of the box, but are you asserting that there are no other residual issues based on connectivity, restrictions on resolutions run, displaying X, etc? |
| [18:33:20] | kormoc: | not really |
| [18:33:28] | kormoc: | a digital signal is a digital signal |
| [18:33:31] | babelfish1: | mytv – i've more or less done this until now, but i'm seriously considering dumping my cableco |
| [18:33:32] | high-rez: | hdmi is basically dvi with audio pins. ;) |
| [18:33:44] | [R]: | well of course there are restrictions on resolutions... but thats in the specs that you would have to check regardless of what you buy |
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| [18:34:23] | babelfish1: | and the question essentially is, is there anything systematic that people who use and hdtv, rather than a monitor, oft come in here complaining about or not understanding (and vice versa)? |
| [18:34:44] | high-rez: | no, jesus, no |
| [18:35:30] | babelfish1: | excuse my pessimism, but i've been broken by the cable tv industry here, i presume that everything WON'T play nice with each other |
| [18:35:34] | myth_leech: | Yeah good point R... I have found myself in the position where the output device had a resolution that the video card I had installed did not support |
| [18:36:00] | high-rez: | That said, if I was buying an HD TV again I'd take a laptop with me and run these tests on the displays before I buy em: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ |
| [18:36:20] | babelfish1: | and by owning a pvt-350 which, for all of its then top-of-the-line features, was always an exception to every rule |
| [18:37:51] | babelfish1: | given that my current box is running output to a SDTV via pvr-350, i'm just running integrated graphics, would i want to upgrade that when going the HDTV/DVI (either way) route? |
| [18:38:03] | babelfish1: | (presuming i have the ports, of course) |
| [18:38:10] | kormoc: | depends on your capture device |
| [18:38:24] | kormoc: | if you're just doing mpeg2 HD, then you might be able to squeek by |
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| [18:38:36] | kormoc: | if you're doing h264, you'll want a nvidia card with VDPAU support |
| [18:39:13] | kormoc: | high-rez, wtf is that pixel walk test doing to my screen? |
| [18:40:04] | high-rez: | The clock and phase? |
| [18:40:15] | kormoc: | Inversion (pixel walk) test |
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| [18:40:32] | high-rez: | blinking allover the place? :) |
| [18:40:40] | kormoc: | yeah, it's freaky |
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| [18:40:54] | babelfish1: | will the demands on my processor also be higher given the better qual picture coming in? or does the capture card still do enough of the heavy lifting that it doesn't matter? |
| [18:41:27] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [18:41:30] | high-rez: | Yeah, some of my displays do that. This page learned me a whole bunch about my (terrible) toshiba HDTV. |
| [18:41:40] | kormoc: | babelfish1, digital capture cards do nothing really, just copy the data from the wire to the drive |
| [18:41:47] | Beirdo: | I have no small screws to actually screw this drive in. |
| [18:41:59] | Beirdo: | so I guess it will be friction fit for now |
| [18:42:35] | high-rez: | babelfish: Most digital capture capture cards don't have a builtin playback mechanism – so it'll be up to your CPU or your GPU to do the heavy lifting on decode. If you plan to do HD MPEG2 then you should consider an nvidia card that supports VDPAU. If you're looking at HD H264 – then its almost a must. |
| [18:43:48] | high-rez: | kormoc: I brought my laptop to frys and hooked it up to the front panel of the different displays last time i bought a tv. One thing I learned is that dynamic backlight is a really really terrible thing. It either over or under saturates on most displays (and an active matrix LED display is out of my range right now) |
| [18:43:54] | babelfish1: | high-rez: ok, that makse sense, i have to wean myself off of the pvr-350 mindset where it both encoded and decoded |
| [18:44:35] | kormoc: | high-rez, well, what's weird is my macbook pro is a LED backlit active matrix what not and has some weird display things on that page, yet day to day, I love it so |
| [18:44:40] | babelfish1: | it sounds like i may be buying a lot of PC hardware as i've been playing the "if it works, don't break it" game for a couple years now |
| [18:46:08] | high-rez: | babelfish1: It all depends. If you're doing ATSC you can probably get away with a $50 ATSC card and a $50 video card doing VDPAU and be done with it. |
| [18:46:39] | babelfish1: | high-rez: if i want to stay in the SDTV world, you mean? |
| [18:46:39] | high-rez: | I think my Geforce 210 was about $50 and has all of the really neat features |
| [18:46:43] | [R]: | i thought any crappy cpu could handle atsc |
| [18:47:08] | high-rez: | bablefish1: ATSC is HD TV over the air. E.g. you have an antenna and live near a major city. |
| [18:47:27] | babelfish1: | high-rez: sorry, i read NTSC |
| [18:47:30] | high-rez: | R: I dunno, I think even MPEG2 with better deinterlacing methods requires some power.. |
| [18:47:50] | high-rez: | kormoc: I'm actually surprised my HP Mini 311 did so well on that test. Most everything was spot on. |
| [18:50:03] | [R]: | high-rez: i still dont understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of deinterlacers... i "only" have an 9400M and i don't see anything wrong with my "crappy" deinterlacers |
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| [18:51:08] | high-rez: | I think thats cause advanced 1x isn't really so crappy. |
| [18:55:52] | kormoc: | [R], I use temporal 2x on my 9400M very happily |
| [18:56:13] | high-rez: | kormoc: What type of content ? |
| [18:56:25] | high-rez: | I've never gotten an of the 2x deinterlacers to work right for me :( |
| [19:01:34] | kormoc: | h264 |
| [19:02:47] | sphery: | how can 1x not be low-quality... it has a "1" in it and everyone knows that bigger numbers are better... |
| [19:03:04] | high-rez: | Interesting. I've had no luck with 2x at all with h264 on my ionitx |
| [19:03:15] | sphery: | (I'm just joking) |
| [19:03:32] | high-rez: | (gee we couldnt tell) |
| [19:03:38] | iamlindoro: | That can't be possible-- everyone knows that IONs are the ultimate myth frontend box |
| [19:03:38] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:03:46] | high-rez: | ;) |
| [19:03:46] | ** wagnerrp hopes for saturday mail ** | |
| [19:03:47] | iamlindoro: | They can't possibly have issues |
| [19:04:00] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:04:01] | kormoc: | 1 times anything == anything, so a 1x deinterlacer must be the exactly same as the start! |
| [19:04:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:04:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: with sheevaplugs as the backend |
| [19:04:41] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Ions are fantastic for what they do. No need for fans, big power supplies etc. |
| [19:04:45] | myth_leech: | I haven't heard much about the ION platform with myth... I take it from what you're saying people are having trouble with them? |
| [19:04:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also running the mysql server |
| [19:05:06] | kormoc: | high-rez, I have a mac mini, all the advantages, none of the disadvantages :) |
| [19:05:10] | sphery: | myth_leech: not so much trouble as just not necessarily the best choice |
| [19:05:17] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: the problem is that you are relying on the hardware decoder |
| [19:05:23] | high-rez: | myth_leech: They can do temporal 1x just fine |
| [19:05:27] | wagnerrp: | if the hardware decoder fails for whatever reason, you have nothing to fall back on |
| [19:05:37] | myth_leech: | I was considering using a beefy backend server and using an ION as a frontend. What would you recommend for a light, fanless frontend? |
| [19:05:43] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, Can do a real processor in the exact same form factor, with identical power savings, with VDPAU |
| [19:05:49] | wagnerrp: | you dont have anything like enough CPU power to fall back to software decode |
| [19:05:52] | kormoc: | myth_leech, not entirely fanless but a mac mini |
| [19:05:58] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Well Kudos to you myth devs with the nvidia guys – the hardware decoder never fails :) |
| [19:06:18] | sphery: | mac-mini is a great system for mythtv |
| [19:06:19] | kormoc: | Nothing ever fails unless it does! |
| [19:06:28] | sphery: | it has a /real/ processor, even, not just a toy |
| [19:06:44] | high-rez: | kormoc: Are you running linux on the mac mini or osx? |
| [19:06:49] | sphery: | and I even hate Apple, so for me to say that... |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | high-rez, linux |
| [19:07:10] | wagnerrp: | the only fault with the mac mini is the price tag |
| [19:07:10] | myth_leech: | I honestly haven't had any trouble with nvidia hardware decoders in myth (I've only been using them since 0.12 or 0.14) |
| [19:07:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, which isn't that much for a comparable ion system |
| [19:07:31] | wagnerrp: | 0.12 or 0.14 what? |
| [19:07:34] | high-rez: | 0.12? 0.14? |
| [19:07:35] | ** iamlindoro blinks ** | |
| [19:07:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, he's talking XvMC |
| [19:07:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv version? |
| [19:08:09] | wagnerrp: | didnt know we supported xvmc that far back |
| [19:08:10] | high-rez: | I guess jya was really serious about all that vdpau back porting. |
| [19:08:11] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [19:08:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, we added it 0.18 iirc, I'm just guessing the time fog is spinning it |
| [19:09:23] | myth_leech: | yeah I was using xvmc |
| [19:09:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, xvmc was pretty bad |
| [19:09:58] | wagnerrp: | limited decode capability, severe OSD limitations |
| [19:09:59] | high-rez: | It served its purpose |
| [19:10:02] | myth_leech: | Originally on a VIA EPIA board but then I switched it to an AMD based system with beefier video |
| [19:10:28] | high-rez: | xvmc let me watch ATSC way back when the PCHDTV 2000 card was state of the art ;) |
| [19:10:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: agreed--the price tag is the only downside |
| [19:11:09] | kormoc: | what do ya know |
| [19:11:22] | kormoc: | XvMC was added 8/6/03 (yes, 7 years ago) |
| [19:11:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but then again, if you want a small frontend box, you'll pay a lot more, so by the time you find the cheapest small frontend box, the mac mini is pretty close to the same price |
| [19:11:48] | kormoc: | revision 1973 |
| [19:11:56] | sphery: | If you do it my way--big, ugly, potentially loud frontend in a different room--you can get cheap and powerful. |
| [19:11:57] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [19:12:19] | Beirdo: | gotta wait for the USB Flash->harddrive rsync finished |
| [19:12:20] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: to be fair, for the entire existence of the PcHDTV brand, modern processors have not had problems decoding ATSC in software |
| [19:12:22] | ** high-rez still argues that the solid state ion is the way to go ** | |
| [19:12:24] | Beirdo: | finishes rather |
| [19:12:45] | myth_leech: | So 7 years of no issues on more than one major software architecture is a good track record for nvidia hardware decoder support :) |
| [19:12:45] | sphery: | high-rez: heh... back to 0.12 |
| [19:12:59] | Beirdo: | and one downside of the new TV... audio in only applies when using the VGA input. which I'm not |
| [19:13:01] | sphery: | myth_leech: XvMC != VDPAU |
| [19:13:02] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [19:13:11] | sphery: | XvMC != hardware decode |
| [19:13:25] | sphery: | XvMC is just a little bit of math while the CPU still does decoding |
| [19:13:32] | myth_leech: | o... thanks.... |
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| [19:13:45] | wagnerrp: | it lightens the decoding load by maybe 40% |
| [19:13:51] | [R]: | Beirdo: you can't set it to hdmi? |
| [19:14:00] | wagnerrp: | lets you get by with a midrange AthXP/P4, instead of a high end one |
| [19:14:09] | Beirdo: | XvMC is to VDPAU as crappy hardware assist RAID cards are to real hardware RAID cards |
| [19:14:12] | myth_leech: | I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me |
| [19:14:21] | Beirdo: | [R]: set what to HDMI? |
| [19:14:29] | [R]: | Beirdo: you said the audio in is only for vga |
| [19:14:30] | sphery: | myth_leech: by hardware decode, we're talking about letting the GPU to do all of the decoding (and, with ION systems, on a system where the CPU /can't/ do the decode) |
| [19:14:36] | wagnerrp: | while VDPAU lets you get by with anything pentium grade or so |
| [19:14:42] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Perhaps you're right – i suspect that the software decode stacks on linux way back then weren't quite up to the task (optimized) |
| [19:15:24] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: pretty much the entire AMD64 line has no difficulty decoding ATSC |
| [19:16:01] | wagnerrp: | some of the mobile chips may be a bit too slow |
| [19:16:27] | high-rez: | wagneerrp: Its hard to remember back then, but I know I didn't have a terribly good experience with it. My 'gaming machine' didn't do at all well with it, but who knows trying to debug a 7 year old issue? :) |
| [19:16:42] | wagnerrp: | what was your 'gaming machine'? |
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| [19:17:44] | high-rez: | I think it was a dual core 1.8ghz ish ? 1.6? With a couple gigs of ram and a radeon 9700 pro back then. |
| [19:18:08] | high-rez: | Its long been given away |
| [19:18:26] | wagnerrp: | they made dual core opterons that slow, but i believe the slowest desktop dual core was 2GHz |
| [19:19:28] | wagnerrp: | my 1.8 Opty X2 can handle any of the recordings ive thrown at it, as can my 2.0 single core |
| [19:19:41] | wagnerrp: | both socket 939 |
| [19:19:49] | sphery: | high-rez: that cuold well have been related to the radeon 9700 pro |
| [19:20:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ATI has never had a good track record with video playback under linux |
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| [19:20:31] | wagnerrp: | that has gotten better with newer chipsets |
| [19:20:35] | sphery: | also, that chip did /not/ like scaling video down (so if you weren't running at full-video-res or higher...) |
| [19:20:50] | high-rez: | Yeah, I've long switched to nvidia only (although its ironic that ati has really become the more open of the two) |
| [19:20:56] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:21:06] | iamlindoro: | And since VA API apparently is horrible, doesn't look like ATI Video Accel is going to be up to snuff any time soon |
| [19:21:08] | high-rez: | I think it was a 3800+ btw ;) God thats a trip down memory lane. |
| [19:21:27] | wagnerrp: | 3800 X2? that was 2GHz |
| [19:21:34] | high-rez: | What about xvba? Or have they abandoned that? |
| [19:21:43] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: It appears that way. |
| [19:21:46] | wagnerrp: | XvBA is what they call it internally |
| [19:21:49] | iamlindoro: | XvBA will only be public facing via VAAPI |
| [19:21:52] | wagnerrp: | they expose it through VAAPI |
| [19:21:53] | sphery: | I love ATI--and only use ATI video on all my systems--except I still use nvidia only for MythTV frontends. |
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| [19:22:36] | iamlindoro: | The one and only person I consider trustworthy on these matters considers VA-API "not ready for primetime" and says you can crash the lib, crash the drivers, and that the API isn't near enough feature complete |
| [19:23:01] | iamlindoro: | Tough sell Vs. VDPAU (or just having enough CPU) |
| [19:24:11] | high-rez: | I'm surprised that after all of this time that vaapi isn't 'feature complete' |
| [19:24:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, wait, you're saying that a video decode API designed by Intel (VA-API) for use with Intel graphics but made "generic" enough that it could be used with any hardware's video decode API that was hooked into an ATI-proprietary video decode API that was basically just their DirectX video decode stuff--designed for Windows video decode API--compiled for *nix (XvBA) is a mess? |
| [19:24:40] | high-rez: | I'm also surprised intel hasn't produced a single capable card. :) |
| [19:25:00] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, You're right, they've produced multiple |
| [19:25:09] | sphery: | I find that hard to believe^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hread |
| [19:25:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery, heh |
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| [19:26:45] | high-rez: | Wasn't intel sort of altruistic about vaapi saying that they intended for it to be generic for all platforms from the get go? It's just amazing that its been such an utter failure – when nvidia coming out with a solution, that pretty much did the trick day 1 (and has continued to get better and more accepted) |
| [19:27:19] | sphery: | yeah, AFAIUI, Intel tried the design-by-committee approach--with typical results |
| [19:27:27] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, The difference is that nVidia's solution actually worked from day one-- Intel's took several *years* before there was a driver that would actually do it |
| [19:27:49] | iamlindoro: | ie libva is ~3 years old, but you've only been able to do anything with it for *maybe* a year now |
| [19:27:51] | high-rez: | Oh there's a driver that works now? :) |
| [19:27:59] | iamlindoro: | poulsbo, has been for a long time |
| [19:28:10] | iamlindoro: | and an s3 driver, and ATI |
| [19:28:28] | iamlindoro: | not to mention you can use VDPAU through vaapi... though god knows why you'd want to |
| [19:29:03] | high-rez: | I can see that the offerings from intel, s3, and ati are so compelling that y'all are dropping everything getting vaapi into trunk. :D |
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| [19:29:18] | iamlindoro: | VA-API will possibly/probably be in .24 |
| [19:29:26] | iamlindoro: | though I rather wish it wouldn't be given all the drawbacks |
| [19:29:37] | iamlindoro: | that we are likely to have to get blamed for |
| [19:29:49] | high-rez: | Did I read that the crystal hd might make it in too? |
| [19:29:50] | sphery: | Woah... I'm in heaven... New trac actually gives you a copy-able trac comment link for each comment when you're logged in. used to only do it when not logged in (and only if you happened to know where to find the invisible paragraph marker). |
| [19:30:01] | iamlindoro: | We will also support hardware decode on windows and Mac OS X |
| [19:30:05] | iamlindoro: | and yes, probably Crystal HD too |
| [19:30:24] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Yeah I saw the checkins regarding OSX. Found that very interesting..,. |
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| [19:30:51] | iamlindoro: | We will basically support hardware decode on all of our supported "major" platforms, and using several different approaches on Linux |
| [19:30:56] | high-rez: | Makes me wonder if my old macbook that just sits around could actually be a compelling frontend. |
| [19:30:59] | iamlindoro: | every Myth user owes Mark Kendall a beer |
| [19:31:00] | iamlindoro: | or a check |
| [19:31:10] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, if it's an old frontend, it won't work |
| [19:31:14] | iamlindoro: | er old laptop |
| [19:31:43] | high-rez: | I think its a dual core 2ghz with the ati x1600 ? |
| [19:31:55] | justinh: | every myth user owes quite a few people quite a few beers actually :) |
| [19:32:00] | iamlindoro: | nope, it's only supported on current gen, with nVidia |
| [19:32:17] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Tough to imagine anyone else in the past year being owed more by the community than Mark |
| [19:32:18] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: So in other words 'might as well just install linux then' ;) |
| [19:32:37] | sphery: | Yeah, I put out a tray of beers on my front porch a while back and I assume it was all the MythTV devs I owed who drank them. |
| [19:32:39] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, Plus, Apple only exposes H.264 decode via the API |
| [19:33:17] | justinh: | yeah but if anybody did what they do for the beer or even credit... ;-) |
| [19:33:46] | sphery: | I just hope that the devs who drank them weren't annoyed by all the neighborhood kids who were, strangely, very loud that night. |
| [19:34:03] | justinh: | heh |
| [19:34:08] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Do you find yourself very popular amongst these neighborhood kids recently? |
| [19:34:13] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:34:19] | iamlindoro: | That ol' man Dean is OK |
| [19:34:25] | justinh: | we've had a round of that here today already. 2 lads yelling "show me the way to go home" between 5 & 7pm |
| [19:34:41] | high-rez: | In the ghetoo! |
| [19:34:50] | high-rez: | ghetto too :) |
| [19:35:19] | iamlindoro: | Gentoo |
| [19:35:49] | sphery: | wow, I never noticed the similarity |
| [19:35:54] | high-rez: | Thats sort of like being in the ghetto |
| [19:35:59] | high-rez: | Nothing really works right |
| [19:36:09] | high-rez: | And if you try to make the system better you just get sad and depressed. |
| [19:36:20] | sphery: | heh |
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| [19:36:37] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, you just gotta Exherbo out of there |
| [19:36:47] | high-rez: | And the best community resource just got gunned down (read: gentoo wiki) |
| [19:37:17] | wagnerrp: | 'just got'? i thought that happened like 2 years ago |
| [19:37:37] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Time moves slow in the ghentoo |
| [19:37:46] | myth_leech: | Yeah I just switched the mythtv server from gentoo to Fedora after running it on Gentoo for about 6 years |
| [19:38:11] | wagnerrp: | amazing how one of the primary sources of information for a large linux distro has no redundancy |
| [19:38:12] | sphery: | high-rez: what happened with the wiki? |
| [19:38:25] | high-rez: | sphery: The admin forgot to read the wiki article on backups and raid. |
| [19:38:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hardware failure with no data backup |
| [19:38:32] | myth_leech: | ahahha |
| [19:38:32] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:38:44] | justinh: | they didn't have RAID & BACKUP in their USE flags? :-O |
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| [19:39:09] | iamlindoro: | emerge raid tar rsyDISK ERROR |
| [19:39:21] | sphery: | justinh: but that wiki was da** fast--it was actually compiled for the system it ran on |
| [19:39:28] | high-rez: | Those flags conflicted with the makeitworknow flag |
| [19:39:40] | myth_leech: | hehe |
| [19:40:43] | sphery: | and since they didn't waste precious HDD space on stupid, unnecessary packages like X windows (that would have been almost 50MiB wasted!), think of all the extra articles they could fit on it |
| [19:40:58] | high-rez: | In all fairness, it was a *great* resource. I knew people who were working with ubuntu trying to figure out how stuff worked reading the gentoo wiki. It had a ton of articles on all sorts of stuff. A massive loss to have it go away. |
| [19:41:01] | sphery: | I mean in a world where 2TB HDD's cost $99, you have to conserve your storage |
| [19:41:22] | sphery: | I agree that it had some good stuff in it |
| [19:41:30] | Beirdo: | oh that was fun |
| [19:41:36] | justinh: | high-rez: even a fair bit of useful mythtv info there too |
| [19:41:43] | high-rez: | justinh: Indeed. |
| [19:41:55] | Beirdo: | I didn't quite get grub2 installed on the drive properly |
| [19:42:00] | justinh: | well not directly mythtv maybe – but certainly tricks to get hardware to do your bidding |
| [19:42:09] | Beirdo: | forgot to swing the root and prefix settings over. Ooops |
| [19:42:25] | high-rez: | Beirdo: Thats the exact reason I'll never reboot my machine in the westin again. |
| [19:42:47] | myth_leech: | When I was first getting started with myth the gentoo wiki really was what got me up and running |
| [19:42:47] | justinh: | still, there's a lot to be said for starting anew :) |
| [19:42:49] | high-rez: | Debian upgrade resulted in a move to grub2. Does it work? I don't know, and I won't /have to know/ as long as I don't reboot :) |
| [19:42:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:43:03] | sphery: | and since The Internet Archive got killed by someone (I forgot who's the evil company that did this... I think it's one that says otherwise.), you can't even retrieve the info from it |
| [19:43:04] | Beirdo: | grub2 is fine, just learn it first |
| [19:43:27] | sphery: | grub2 is /so/ much better than grub legacy |
| [19:43:31] | justinh: | I hate grub2. I liked being about to edit the menu.lst file & having stuff change without ever needing to update the MBR |
| [19:43:38] | high-rez: | Is it? I really dontlike grub2 at all. |
| [19:43:39] | justinh: | s/about/able/ |
| [19:43:52] | justinh: | gimme back the instant config changes pleeeeeeeeeeeeease :) |
| [19:44:00] | sphery: | justinh: it doesn't have to change the MBR |
| [19:44:04] | high-rez: | Wait with grub2 you have to update the MBR if you change config?? |
| [19:44:05] | Beirdo: | it feels almost half like a throwback to lilo, but whatever :) |
| [19:44:10] | Beirdo: | no |
| [19:44:10] | justinh: | well having to run grub update.. |
| [19:44:22] | sphery: | justinh: that's just the scripts provided by your distro to make things "easier" |
| [19:44:26] | justinh: | is it? |
| [19:44:30] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:44:32] | Beirdo: | I mean, obviously I did have to this time |
| [19:44:39] | Beirdo: | as it was a new drive |
| [19:44:49] | justinh: | so it's still just a file you can edit yourself? Ubuntu... YOU LIE! |
| [19:44:50] | high-rez: | Yeah bah to grub2. grub2 is like ddt. please leave me the birds and the bees |
| [19:44:58] | high-rez: | (appologize to jonnie mitchell) |
| [19:44:59] | Beirdo: | well, better go back and finish things |
| [19:45:06] | sphery: | you're not supposed to directly edit grub.cfg (as it should be done by scripts you've put in place), but you /could/ if you wanted to |
| [19:45:19] | sphery: | the problem is that the next time someone runs the scripts, it will overwrite your changes |
| [19:45:30] | sphery: | so if you do it right--with scripts--you can't make mistakes :) |
| [19:45:43] | justinh: | man, if I find another thing to despise ubuntu for.. I will *seriously* consider switching to a different distro ;) |
| [19:45:46] | sphery: | just need sane scripts to make sure it's also efficient :) |
| [19:46:06] | sphery: | I don't think any distro has better grub2 scripts, yet |
| [19:46:12] | sphery: | they're all still trying to figure it out |
| [19:46:41] | justinh: | a machine at work could do with its boot menu sorted out.. it's had whoknows how many kernel updates & the menu is quite long now |
| [19:46:47] | high-rez: | I *hate* the way grub2 scripts on debian work. I have no idea now which kernel is going to be booted and which will jsut be sitting in the menu for no reason |
| [19:46:50] | kormoc: | high-rez, I'm ~amd64 and I don't have grub2 installed |
| [19:47:32] | high-rez: | kormoc: Yeah, well thats the one big gentoo advantage there – flexibility. |
| [19:47:58] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I used grub legacy with amd64 for years |
| [19:48:04] | sphery: | and no multilib |
| [19:48:27] | sphery: | just can't run (or install) grub apps on the distro |
| [19:55:42] | clever: | high-rez: and also the gentoo problem, for some reason dma for xv was off by default in xorg :P |
| [19:55:53] | clever: | doubled my cpu usage for all video playback |
| [19:56:12] | clever: | took a few months to discover that |
| [20:02:16] | kormoc: | grub apps? |
| [20:02:18] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:03:46] | clever: | ive got too many grub menu options right now, the only real difference is the rd_init=, i need to modify the initrd to do most of the work on its own |
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| [20:13:16] | sphery: | kormoc: like grub-set-default and grub-install and even grub |
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| [20:17:55] | kormoc: | huh |
| [20:17:58] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
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| [20:19:02] | Beirdo: | OK, it's running. but get this... |
| [20:19:21] | Beirdo: | the wireless is under the nasty talons of NetworkManager |
| [20:19:30] | Beirdo: | so it has no IPv6 right now |
| [20:19:33] | Beirdo: | errr |
| [20:19:36] | Beirdo: | no IPv4 |
| [20:19:43] | Beirdo: | but IPv6 is working fine |
| [20:19:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [20:34:23] | RogerM: | hmm.. is the error message that begins with "circular inclusion of" when runing lupdate anything to be alarmed about or just a friendly warning? |
| [20:34:55] | Beirdo: | what are you talking about? |
| [20:36:01] | RogerM: | I'm running the lupdate as recommended in the Translation wiki page in the mythtv/i18n directory and get a couple of errors/warnings.. Among them some which begin with "circular inclusion of.." and includes a filename. |
| [20:36:13] | Beirdo: | ahhhh |
| [20:36:58] | Beirdo: | now that I couldnt tell ya. someone who does translation should be around though |
| [20:38:26] | myth_leech: | Anyone set up an HVR-1600 in a backend recently? |
| [20:38:29] | RogerM: | ok.. Well.. Might drop a message at the mailinglist then.. |
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| [20:54:49] | Beirdo: | stupid USB drive |
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| [21:21:31] | trumee is now known as zzztrumee | |
| [21:22:15] | [R]: | how do i figure out if i have any recorded files on my storage group that don't show up in the recordedl ist? |
| [21:22:20] | RogerM: | Tell me if I'm correct. Custom Edit has a setting that says "Only shows with in-vision signing". Am I correct to say that "in-vision signing" is a cut in picture of the signing language? (Like subtitles for deaf people) |
| [21:26:42] | RogerM: | And what is the difference with "in-vision subtitles" and only "subtitles"? |
| [21:26:55] | justinh: | in-vision signing is what you think it is |
| [21:27:05] | justinh: | in-vision subs are subtitles burnt into the video |
| [21:27:21] | justinh: | ordinary subtitles are optionally displayed |
| [21:27:50] | ** dustybin steals a cig from justinh ** | |
| [21:27:57] | dustybin: | man im drunk on wine again |
| [21:28:10] | ** dustybin awaits abuse ** | |
| [21:28:56] | RogerM: | justinh: Thanks.. so in-vision is not optional. Good.. Not that I think it will be usuable in sweden but the translation have to be as correct as possible. |
| [21:29:19] | dustybin: | why do i feel instantly threatened if i say anything in this channel? |
| [21:29:41] | dustybin: | im just a jo blogg standard normal mythtv user |
| [21:29:43] | dustybin: | :-( |
| [21:30:04] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
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| [21:30:16] | dustybin: | mv iamlindoro mythtv-dev |
| [21:30:40] | dustybin: | mv wagnerrp mythtv-dev |
| [21:30:49] | dustybin: | mv sphery mythttv-dev |
| [21:30:54] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, go do something else |
| [21:30:58] | dustybin: | :( |
| [21:31:00] | ** RogerM ponders how to translate in-vision into swedish without writing a short story.. ** | |
| [21:31:02] | dustybin: | we have no place :( |
| [21:32:49] | justinh: | just say "subtitles inside the picture" or something? |
| [21:35:06] | dustybin: | justinh: i have a spare scart > rgb vga box for sale if your interested |
| [21:35:24] | Beirdo: | ahahahahahha |
| [21:35:26] | RogerM: | justinh: That is what I choose too. It's the best "other way" to say it I can think of. It's the best it can get unless mythtv will get tooltips with some more help that can pop up on a keypress or timeout. |
| [21:35:40] | Beirdo: | on Top Gear, they are in France, driving in the snow... |
| [21:35:48] | Beirdo: | and they put decals on the cars |
| [21:35:58] | Beirdo: | one has "MERDE" on the door |
| [21:36:47] | RogerM: | top gear has to be nut but they do seem to enjoy themsels. :) That show seem to have a bit too much money to spend. |
| [21:36:53] | RogerM: | nut=nuts |
| [21:36:58] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [21:37:00] | justinh: | last series of top gear was utter crap |
| [21:37:19] | Beirdo: | maybe so, but I am finding it entertaining :) |
| [21:37:46] | justinh: | Beirdo: dunno which one you'll be on, but from what you've just said it'd be before it lost its mojo |
| [21:37:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, probably |
| [21:38:27] | justinh: | the season just gone was boring. the one before that was where they lost it. the challenges just weren't as fun IMHO |
| [21:38:34] | Beirdo: | BBC America gives old shows |
| [21:39:07] | justinh: | I only watched it for the challenges really.. the fun stuff. I find car porn a bore |
| [21:39:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:39:41] | dustybin: | justinh: you need to record, 'young, dumb and living off mum' |
| [21:39:48] | dustybin: | good tv :D |
| [21:40:08] | justinh: | ooo look another quarter million pounds worth of car... meh |
| [21:40:11] | ** dustybin awaits abause ** | |
| [21:40:58] | justinh: | I remember when they used to test real cars that ordinary people could afford :D |
| [21:41:31] | justinh: | but back then they never used to blow up rubbish old cars or drop caravans on from a great height |
| [21:41:45] | dustybin: | justinh: did you see Tom Cruise edition |
| [21:42:36] | Beirdo: | "You cheese-eating sideways monkeys!" |
| [21:42:41] | dustybin: | :D |
| [21:43:06] | dustybin: | i take mythtv for granted these days because everything works |
| [21:43:11] | RogerM: | Is there a wiki page for the DemoTuner? |
| [21:44:48] | dustybin: | RogerM: google is your friend |
| [21:45:01] | dustybin: | RogerM: IRC is my friend :D |
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| [21:45:19] | bjd: | make it go away :( |
| [21:45:23] | RogerM: | dustybin: I know. Sometimes I wonders how I could manage doing my job without it(or any other search engine btw) |
| [21:45:37] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [21:45:43] | dustybin: | IRC is like interactive google, google what speaks |
| [21:45:52] | Beirdo: | and they dropped another piano on a Morris Marina |
| [21:45:54] | dustybin: | good for lazy people like me |
| [21:45:58] | iamlindoro: | /kickban dustybin |
| [21:46:01] | dustybin: | :( |
| [21:46:02] | iamlindoro: | whoops |
| [21:46:11] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i respect you and will go silent |
| [21:46:57] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, You are rapidly becoming more trouble to spar with than to just permanently ban. Your days here are limited if you don't start behaving. |
| [21:47:06] | dustybin: | ok! |
| [21:47:27] | dustybin: | i have been drinking wine, otherwise im ok, i do go silent |
| [21:47:55] | justinh: | iamlindoro: grrr... here I was blissfully unaware he was blathering. you 'made' me look in the log! |
| [21:48:18] | justinh: | ;) |
| [21:48:33] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Don't worry. He'll step out of line again. And I'm just about done with it. |
| [21:48:59] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: then ill have to come back with a killer theme :D |
| [21:49:10] | wagnerrp: | with flames |
| [21:50:23] | justinh: | just aswell my router isn't GDIAFOIP compatible |
| [21:51:46] | justinh: | ach well. time to steel myself for another nightshift. my turn at the weekends :) |
| [21:52:12] | dustybin: | why is the mythtv-users channel so strict?!!! i have been a mythtv user since .19, i wouldnt use anything else, i love it. but why do we get treated so badly :( |
| [21:52:15] | justinh: | 4 hours + 4 hours (sleep) doesn't add up to 8 hours |
| [21:52:47] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, Nobody treats you badly. If anything you've been on a longer leash than anyone. Act like a human being or you won't have to worry about being treated any way here any more |
| [21:53:08] | dustybin: | :( ok |
| [21:53:26] | dustybin: | its either that or get banned and i dont want that :( |
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| [21:53:55] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: the problem is that 2/3 of what you say in here is just random comments, disjointed from any current conversations or help of other users |
| [21:54:11] | wagnerrp: | and the other third seems to be trying to antagonize iamlindoro |
| [21:54:28] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: maybe so, im not clever enough to be a dev like you guys, doesnt make me a bad guy |
| [21:54:46] | wagnerrp: | so spend some time assisting users |
| [21:54:56] | dustybin: | well i have, then got told off for doing so |
| [21:54:59] | wagnerrp: | being around for several years, you should know your way around mythtv pretty well |
| [21:55:06] | dustybin: | i do |
| [21:55:20] | dustybin: | and i have been told off lots of times for trying to help people |
| [21:59:17] | dustybin: | (would somone mind continueing the converstation) |
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| [22:03:20] | bjd: | I'm a bit stuck in teh video sources bit configuring the xmltv grabber, i'm doing the config thing and answering various questions but now I've got a scroll box that i can't seem to scroll to the bottom of |
| [22:04:49] | RogerM: | bjd: What version of myth? |
| [22:05:01] | bjd: | 0.23.1 |
| [22:05:13] | bjd: | it's the mythbuntu auto builds i'm using |
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| [22:06:47] | RogerM: | bjd: sorry.. I can't help you there.. I did that configuration sometime in the age of 0.19.. Hopefully someone else has a better answer.. :/ |
| [22:08:31] | ** RogerM notices that his comment about lupdate resulted into a couple of commits already. Thanks! ** | |
| [22:10:02] | iamlindoro: | np ;) |
| [22:10:15] | Beirdo: | pretty @ :) |
| [22:11:10] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [22:11:29] | Beirdo: | hey, it suits ya |
| [22:11:45] | bjd: | ah |
| [22:11:47] | bjd: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7962#comment:2 |
| [22:11:57] | justinh: | yeh but the network doesn't like people staying like that IIRC |
| [22:12:22] | RogerM: | lets hope the "circular inclusion" is something in my environment.. Whatever that can be.. |
| [22:12:27] | Beirdo: | heh, dunno, I think it's mainly a convention |
| [22:12:56] | Beirdo: | I need food, but don't feel like cooking |
| [22:13:47] | Beirdo: | wow is the fitpc slow :) |
| [22:14:41] | justinh: | circular inclusion.. that sounds like a religious operation |
| [22:16:20] | justinh: | and er.. whut? people are using VDPAU to play back SDTV? :-O |
| [22:16:39] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [22:17:07] | justinh: | fwiw I've been seeing really weird encoding problems from Channel Four recordings lately |
| [22:17:41] | justinh: | it's as if the bitrate drops to a couple of k right at the wrong point & the picture is just macroblocks for a few frames |
| [22:25:16] | ** RogerM just got a segmentation fault with a NULL audio device.. ah well.. back to the settings.. It's way too long since I did a complete install.. ** | |
| [22:31:13] | iamlindoro: | RogerM, Can you capture a backtrace and open a bug on that if possible? |
| [22:31:14] | wagnerrp: | justinh: you think the atom can decode SD h264 on its own? |
| [22:31:31] | iamlindoro: | RogerM, ie, if NULL audio segfaults every time, we could really use the BT before .24 goes out |
| [22:32:21] | RogerM: | iamlindoro: sure... np.. Will do it right away.. |
| [22:32:25] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [22:33:19] | RogerM: | iamlindoro: or.. as soon as possible.. I just remembered that I have to do a debug compile.. ouch. :/ |
| [22:34:20] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [22:34:27] | iamlindoro: | you shouldn't need to make clean or anything |
| [22:34:38] | iamlindoro: | just do the reconfigure, and make over the currently compiled copy |
| [22:34:50] | iamlindoro: | doing the debug build just means stripping less |
| [22:35:18] | iamlindoro: | ie, it shouldn't really need to recompile much of anything, should just take a few moments/minutes |
| [22:35:32] | iamlindoro: | (which obviously assumes you have a currently compiled copy in there somewhere) |
| [22:41:44] | wagnerrp: | does USPS media mail not come on weekends? |
| [22:42:19] | iamlindoro: | Dunno-- what is coming? |
| [22:42:27] | iamlindoro: | I would think all the normal services would happen |
| [22:42:28] | wagnerrp: | monoprice cables |
| [22:42:38] | wagnerrp: | ordered monday night |
| [22:42:39] | iamlindoro: | ah, cool |
| [22:42:56] | kormoc: | I've gotten media mail on weekends |
| [22:44:06] | Beirdo: | monoprice cables... media mail?! |
| [22:44:15] | Beirdo: | that's... illegal |
| [22:44:18] | wagnerrp: | i guess it was too heavy, they sent it UPS ground |
| [22:44:40] | wagnerrp: | be here monday |
| [22:44:49] | Beirdo: | media mail is for books, CDs, DVDs, diskettes... *media* |
| [22:44:54] | kormoc: | media mail is anything that uses the padded envelopes |
| [22:44:54] | wagnerrp: | well thats disappointing |
| [22:45:02] | Beirdo: | no. |
| [22:45:06] | iamlindoro: | RogerM, natanojl is Jonatan |
| [22:45:09] | Beirdo: | media mail is for media |
| [22:45:13] | kormoc: | you only get media mail rates for those specific things |
| [22:45:25] | Beirdo: | and if they catch you cheating, they ding you hard |
| [22:45:31] | kormoc: | ... |
| [22:45:51] | kormoc: | they sort the padded envelopes the same no matter if you paid media mail rates or not |
| [22:46:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [22:46:18] | kormoc: | monoprice uses padded envelopes, thus are affected by media mail delivery rules but they pay normal shipping prices |
| [22:46:20] | Beirdo: | but they have the right to open em, especially if you claim media mail rates :) |
| [22:46:34] | Beirdo: | aaaah, I getcha |
| [22:46:40] | RogerM: | iamlindoro: I know.. Saw that when the name came up on the translators list and noticed the similarity with his IRC name. .) |
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| [22:46:45] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [22:46:54] | iamlindoro: | Just making sure you knew how to ping him |
| [22:47:08] | Beirdo: | non-sortable or whatever, rather than sending as media :) Never mind then. :) |
| [22:47:19] | ** Beirdo goes back to his compiling ** | |
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| [23:11:21] | babelfish1: | heh, got distracted as the wife was putting together an ikea bookshelf, but thanks for the help earlier, particually kormoc, hi-rez, and and [R] |
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| [23:12:52] | sphery: | did I just feel something squirm in my ear? |
| [23:13:08] | iamlindoro: | gross |
| [23:13:18] | sphery: | you didn't? |
| [23:14:20] | kormoc: | sphery, Mejik de gunka mulla regekikuha |
| [23:14:33] | sphery: | woah, I can't understand you, anymore |
| [23:14:48] | iamlindoro: | I'll translate |
| [23:14:54] | iamlindoro: | "You just need to edit the registry." |
| [23:15:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:15:04] | sphery: | lol |
| [23:15:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro, a man with a Heart of Gold |
| [23:16:13] | sphery: | Now I want to re-read the book(s) |
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| [23:16:51] | iamlindoro: | which? |
| [23:17:06] | kormoc: | Hitchhikers guide |
| [23:17:17] | iamlindoro: | I figured that's what he meant, but was making sure ;) |
| [23:18:07] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:18:36] | sphery: | all this started with bebelfish1's leaving the channel, btw, in case that wasn't shown in your client |
| [23:19:59] | RogerM: | the worlds longes trilogy.. |
| [23:20:02] | RogerM: | longest |
| [23:21:02] | sphery: | and with more versions than any other book--save, maybe a certain Book |
| [23:22:42] | sphery: | wow, we've been getting a /lot/ of new scripts on the wiki |
| [23:29:41] | blizzard`: | Todays Question: I fully working system, initializing another transponderscan will give me what? |
| [23:29:49] | blizzard`: | A) Updated channels list |
| [23:29:56] | blizzard`: | B) Duplicates |
| [23:30:03] | blizzard`: | C) Something else, <describe> |
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| [23:31:03] | kormoc: | C) This is fark, it's always C |
| [23:34:26] | iamlindoro: | blizzard`, gbee answered that question the last time you asked it, yesterday |
| [23:34:33] | iamlindoro: | D) please see the logs ;) |
| [23:34:46] | blizzard`: | iam: yeh, I know I prolly got the anser back then |
| [23:35:03] | blizzard`: | had to leave cuz of the kids and my screen's buffer didnt capture the answer =( |
| [23:35:10] | blizzard`: | kormoc: no, it's always the butler! |
| [23:35:13] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history |
| [23:36:03] | blizzard`: | yey =) |
| [23:36:17] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [23:36:36] | blizzard`: | aaaaaaah |
| [23:36:38] | blizzard`: | got my answer |
| [23:36:46] | blizzard`: | it's almost the one I was hoping for =) |
| [23:37:10] | blizzard`: | iamlindoro: gbee: Unfortunately the new scanner is one of the most obvious exponents of "meh, it's good enough for me now, guess it's done." |
| [23:37:13] | blizzard`: | hehehehe |
| [23:37:34] | blizzard`: | I tend to use that alot in projects with budget frames that I |
| [23:37:38] | blizzard`: | I'm in |
| [23:37:48] | blizzard`: | "is it good enoguth, good! lets move on" |
| [23:38:03] | blizzard`: | tho, this aint a project with budget frames in that kind of way |
| [23:38:43] | iamlindoro: | Our budget is generally one of time |
| [23:38:59] | blizzard`: | yap |
| [23:39:02] | blizzard`: | <-- consultant |
| [23:39:39] | blizzard`: | always tricky when money is involved |
| [23:39:43] | blizzard`: | I tend to want to over-do stuff |
| [23:39:54] | blizzard`: | I guess most of us do |
| [23:40:19] | blizzard`: | "Is this as good as it can be, or could I do another 100 hours to make it slightly better" |
| [23:40:27] | blizzard`: | voulenteer work: yes |
| [23:40:45] | blizzard`: | someone paying you for a specific good-enough result, "no" |
| [23:43:06] | blizzard`: | another question |
| [23:43:14] | blizzard`: | Might be cus of the OSD theme |
| [23:43:34] | blizzard`: | but since the actual channel name is on the left on the OSD when you change channel |
| [23:44:03] | blizzard`: | and the channel name is fitted in a small box since the description of the current program needs to have the larger space... |
| [23:44:18] | blizzard`: | long channel names gets cut |
| [23:44:43] | kormoc: | "The channel with that show, the one you know, yeah, that one" |
| [23:44:46] | blizzard`: | I have a lot of long channel names, ie Canal+ Action, Canal+ Hits, Canal+ Series and so on |
| [23:45:15] | blizzard`: | is there any way to get the channel name to get mandatory over the description field? |
| [23:45:22] | blizzard`: | or given a wider space or similar? |
| [23:45:37] | blizzard`: | My canal+ channels is seens as: Canal+ A|.... |
| [23:45:43] | blizzard`: | Canal+ S|... |
| [23:45:55] | iamlindoro: | If you edit the OSD theme, you can lay it out however you like |
| [23:46:17] | iamlindoro: | If you are on .23 or less, you'll need to learn from reading the theme files-- on trunk, the OSD is documented |
| [23:46:17] | blizzard`: | okey, so the OSD theme got the control |
| [23:46:25] | iamlindoro: | yes, always has |
| [23:46:29] | blizzard`: | goodie |
| [23:46:48] | blizzard`: | was a lil afraid that myth internals controlled that and the theming part was on the upper layer |
| [23:47:03] | blizzard`: | since all themes in the basic installation cuts my channel names =/ |
| [23:47:27] | blizzard`: | im on 23–1 |
| [23:47:34] | blizzard`: | gonna try it out tomorrow |
| [23:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Myth themes have never been very adventurous. Starting with .24, that will begin to change |
| [23:47:47] | blizzard`: | yeh? |
| [23:48:07] | blizzard`: | themes could be better |
| [23:48:18] | iamlindoro: | If you think so, write one and show us how it's done |
| [23:48:26] | blizzard`: | heh |
| [23:48:30] | blizzard`: | didnt mean it like that |
| [23:48:37] | blizzard`: | but xbmc is better looking |
| [23:48:38] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, he's a consultant, he'll only tell us how broken it is, not how to fix it |
| [23:48:48] | blizzard`: | tho, it sux when it comes to the TV part |
| [23:48:51] | blizzard`: | so im sticking with myth |
| [23:49:14] | blizzard`: | kormoc: you saw straight through me =) |
| [23:50:24] | blizzard`: | tho, mythtv aint broken, its kickass |
| [23:50:54] | blizzard`: | what will happen around the gui part in .24? |
| [23:51:04] | blizzard`: | more freedom for themers? |
| [23:51:32] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [23:51:39] | iamlindoro: | and more capabilities |
| [23:51:53] | ** tgm4883 sighs ** | |
| [23:51:57] | tgm4883: | too many consultants |
| [23:53:26] | iamlindoro: | example: http://www.fecitfacta.com/ALosd.png |
| [23:53:54] | blizzard`: | ah sweet! |
| [23:54:03] | blizzard`: | now we're talking! |
| [23:54:26] | iamlindoro: | and http://www.fecitfacta.com/ALosd2.png |
| [23:56:18] | blizzard`: | and the answer to: when is it due? |
| [23:56:25] | blizzard`: | is something like: when it's ready! |
| [23:56:26] | blizzard`: | ? |
| [23:56:47] | Beirdo: | or "when will hell freeze over?" |
| [23:56:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:57:08] | iamlindoro: | November 1stish |
| [23:57:25] | blizzard`: | nice! |
| [23:58:12] | blizzard`: | Beirdo: Dont know if you knew it already but Hell is actually a town in norway... |
| [23:58:17] | blizzard`: | http://www.irrlicht3d.org/images/hell_frozen_over.jpg |
| [23:58:22] | Beirdo: | oooh, Trailer Park Boys |
| [23:58:39] | Beirdo: | can't believe I'm 2 days behind on my watching |
| [23:58:46] | tgm4883: | IIRC it's also a town in montana |
| [23:59:02] | Beirdo: | s/a town in// |
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