Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 16th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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tank-man:

Beirdo, people in western canada feel the same about ontario. bunch of easterners speaking for the whole country :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

more people in Ontario than all of the west

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Beirdo:

so... they are speaking for themselves.

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tank-man:

yea, thats why thers that feeling

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Beirdo:

Other than Vancouver, the west is pretty much empty

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Beirdo:

OK, a few in Calgary and Edmonton and Winterpeg :)

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tank-man:

in canada there is ontario, quebec, and ROC (rest of canada)

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Beirdo:

I imagine if I lived in back o' frigging nowhere, SK, I'd feel pretty isolated

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Beirdo:

Vancouver does get a significant say

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Beirdo:

but Vancouver's known for being a bunch of dingbats :)

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** Beirdo likes it in the PNW, BTW **

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tank-man:

i see that slashdot article, heh

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Beirdo:

slashdot?

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Beirdo:

pffft

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: is there any way to do ctrl/alt over the telnet socket?

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hachi:

oof, graphite theme takes forever to load

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dustybin:

hachi: blame your cpu

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hachi:

rather, takes forever to load the media page

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hachi:

core i7 920 ?

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dustybin:

hachi: blame your hd speed

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hachi:

iostat doesn't show any traffic on the hard drive

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hachi:

it's actually zeros across the board

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hachi:

not even low numbers

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dustybin:

hachi: blame your memory speed

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Shadow__X:

hey guys one of my drives is failing how do i figure out which port it is

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Shadow__X:

its on*

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dustybin:

dmesg | grep error

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dustybin:

i doubt if you can tell what port from linux

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dustybin:

your mobo BIOS does that

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Shadow__X:

my mb bios would tell me? there has to be a way to know in linux

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iamlindoro:

smartctl -a /dev/whatever |grep Serial

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iamlindoro:

then you'll have the serial number...

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Shadow__X:

why thank you good man

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Shadow__X:

disk utility gives the the port number i just wanted to know how to find it through cli

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iamlindoro:

port number is functionally useless, can't trust that it refers to anything resembling the physical port

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iamlindoro:

since the driver and labeling have at most a passing relationship with one another

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iamlindoro:

serial number is the only reliable piece of information

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** wagnerrp can on freebsd **

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

well at least pre-AHCI i can

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: oh ok thanks yeah that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

dont know if the numbering still holds up afterwards

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Shadow__X:

what is a good temp to try and keep hard drives at

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wagnerrp:

<50C

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Shadow__X:

i always try to keep them under 45C so i guess thats good

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Beirdo:

wuss

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

heh, it's fun being silly

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Beirdo:

interesting. the 2.5" SATA drive in my firewall has two temperature numbers

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Beirdo:

airflow temperature and temperature

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wagnerrp:

airflow?

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Beirdo:

great. something else to graph. Heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what it says

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wagnerrp:

i need to get cacti fixed

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wagnerrp:

all it does currently is spam php warnings

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Beirdo:

I need to start creating new cacti templates again

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wagnerrp:

i really need to get more memory

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wagnerrp:

ZFS is suffocating with only 2GB available

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, I used to have scripts for all that stuff

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: right now, my backend is probably comparable to yours in power

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Beirdo:

and they are goooone

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

ive got my own dinosaur from half a decade ago

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Beirdo:

hopefully not in heat level

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wagnerrp:

110W TDP

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Beirdo:

CPU's hovering at 65C

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Beirdo:

fan's at 5000RPM

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Shadow__X:

sounds like a pentium d

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Beirdo:

frigging jet engine

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wagnerrp:

min is... 31C

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Beirdo:

commflag is using 116% CPU

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, my case has...

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** wagnerrp starts counting **

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wagnerrp:

14 case fans? plus CPU and RAID fans

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Beirdo:

whhhhaaaaaa?

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Beirdo:

14 fans?!

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Beirdo:

you using a 8U server case?

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wagnerrp:

effectively

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Shadow__X:

hmm my cpu is 31C and i have 6 case fans

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wagnerrp:

double-wide tower

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: you are using hardware raid right

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Beirdo:

I wonder where the temp3 sensor is on this box

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: yes

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Beirdo:

65C at the CPU, 42C at the mobo, 51C at temp3

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Shadow__X:

if you dont mind me asking what made you choose hardare raid over software raid like mdadm

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Beirdo:

heh, works better?

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wagnerrp:

mdadm wasnt available, i didnt much like freebsd g-raid

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Shadow__X:

i have been using mdadm for over 2 years now and i havnt had an issue and i have grown the array twice and replaced drives

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok if it was you would of used it?

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wagnerrp:

probably not, i didnt much like software raid at the time

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Beirdo:

I still don't ;)

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Beirdo:

but I can be convinced... if I'm drunk enough

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Shadow__X:

i am guessing you built the box a while ago

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wagnerrp:

now, youve at least got enough cores available you can compensate

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wagnerrp:

yeah, box has been around since 2005, card was bought late '06

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Beirdo:

why waste core CPU when you can use dedicated?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok i gotcha that makes sense

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Beirdo:

just like you don't need VDPAU, just get more cores

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Beirdo:

oh wait, we like offloading THAT

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kormoc:

Beirdo, better features? better reliability? better recovery?

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wagnerrp:

why spend $650 on a dedicated card when you can get some cheap controllers and more cores?

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Shadow__X:

thats why i used mdadm :D

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, some raid controllers can be really really crappy, I'll give ya that

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dustybin:

mdadm ftw

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Pluribus:

I use software raid, hardware raid wont rebuild as fast :-) My server is a beast anyway. (I run apps that require a ton of cores and memory but usually my server is dead idle)

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Pluribus:

6 hours to rebuild an 8TB array is reasonable to me

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kormoc:

Pluribus, depends, the 3ware 9750's finally have bitmap support (journaling for RAID), so they'll recover much much much faster

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dustybin:

raid cards have a controller for every port, software raid, you dont have that

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: erm... yes you do

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wagnerrp:

unless youre using port multipliers

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dustybin:

oh

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** kormoc thinks more people need to /ignore dustybin **

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dustybin:

:(

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

too flippin hot

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dustybin:

i try not to annoy people, i been good these days :(

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Pluribus:

and that said most drives cant stream 3GB sustained anyway. (which is why port multiplexers are even usable at all)

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Shadow__X:

i have found port multipliers hard to come accross atleast locally they are

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wagnerrp:

technically, neither of them have one driver per controller

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wagnerrp:

but they do both have dedicated bandwidth per port

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wagnerrp:

my card has a pair of marvell controllers to drive 12 ports

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dustybin:

mobos only have 1 controller?

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wagnerrp:

the 8-port version only has a single controller

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wagnerrp:

often, yes

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wagnerrp:

just one controller built into the south bridge

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wagnerrp:

higher end boards sometimes attach a second controller to add another 2–4 drives

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Beirdo:

I wish there were a setting to say... only commflag when the box is idle... i.e no recordings, and none for hours to come

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Beirdo:

or even better... no commflagging if temperature above X

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Beirdo:

killed mythcommflag

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: what cpu do you have

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Beirdo:

went from 66C to 57C at the CPU

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Beirdo:

2.8G Pentium-D

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Shadow__X:

nice, i got it right

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Shadow__X:

those things run really really hot couldnt you upgrade to a nice e8400?

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Shadow__X:

or is that too much of a jump perhaps a c2d?

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dustybin:

or a nice i3

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wagnerrp:

socket 775 isnt it?

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Shadow__X:

6400 kind?

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Shadow__X:

yeah 775

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Beirdo:

I'm not going to upgrade it

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Shadow__X:

but i think those chipsets most likely wont let you upgrade to a wolfdale

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Shadow__X:

i meant penryn

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Beirdo:

if I throw money at the problem, it will be to buy a separate box for commflagging... with much more power

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Beirdo:

of course, it

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Beirdo:

it's running about the hottest I've ever seen it

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kormoc:

should modify the queue

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Beirdo:

but today is one of those rare > 90F days in Seattle again

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kormoc:

queue in recproirity order

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Shadow__X:

i could understand that but pentium d's were slow and powerhungry. Just upgrading to even a e6600 would improve everything dramatically

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Beirdo:

down to 54C

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Beirdo:

yeah, I should mess with the queue a bit

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Beirdo:

yay, it will be idle for an hour

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Beirdo:

which means I can actually test code

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: check for caked dust?

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Beirdo:

OK, code tested.

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'll crack it open later on. I need to invest in more compressed air technology

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kormoc:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/supplies/7076/

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Beirdo:

I just keep forgetting when I'm at work and near the office supply-type places

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kormoc:

You'll never see it, but it'll kill dust bunnies in the night

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Shadow__X:

if someone wants to run mythtv and also have access to netflix watch instantly whats the best way to go about it

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kormoc:

MythNetVision

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Shadow__X:

or should i just look at getting another box for the netflix stuff

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Beirdo:

buy a TV that will do it

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kormoc:

ooh netflix

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wagnerrp:

abandon all hope

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kormoc:

yee who enter here

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wagnerrp:

all ye who enter

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Beirdo:

I have a TV showing up in a couple days that advertises netflix streaming on the tv

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wagnerrp:

netflix requires silverlight, silverlight doesnt do linux

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah so i have noticed

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Shadow__X:

and i am guessing mooonlight is the linux equivalent but doesnt do well with the drm

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wagnerrp:

precisely

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** Beirdo moons Microsoft **

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Shadow__X:

hmm so is there another type of ondemand service that can work with mythtv that i am unaware of?

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kormoc:

hulu?

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wagnerrp:

yep, hulu works

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wagnerrp:

or youtube

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wagnerrp:

or any of the other 20 or so grabbers for MNV

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Shadow__X:

hmm right but hulu doesnt focus on movies as much

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i am looking at the wiki page now

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wagnerrp:

you can try to pester netflix to offer a linux player

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wagnerrp:

statically compiled, in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions, preferably

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Shadow__X:

:) i am sure i can nudge them to do it

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

dont want them going the route of huluplayer that only works on certain ubuntu variants

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Beirdo:

OMG. so many things changing at once in trunk

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Beirdo:

the dude who tries to keep the changelog up to date is gonna have a cow

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Pluribus:

Oh, new shineys?

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wagnerrp:

!seen skd8ner

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MythLogBot:

skd8ner has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

!seen sk8dner

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MythLogBot:

sk8dner has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what his name is

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wagnerrp:

!seen sk<tab>

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MythLogBot:

sk<tab> has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

another one bites the dust

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wagnerrp:

bug! beirdobot's tab completion is broken!

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Beirdo:

that ticket lasted... 15h

[03:18:17]

dustybin:

is it worth me upgrading to 23.1 ?

[03:18:20]

iamlindoro:

!seen skd8ner

[03:18:20]

MythLogBot:

skd8ner has not been seen here

[03:18:24]

dustybin:

23.0 seems to run fine

[03:18:24]

iamlindoro:

damn

[03:18:31]

dustybin:

eeek iamlindoro is here

[03:18:37]

Beirdo:

we must be missing a letter there

[03:18:38]

dustybin:

time to go silent

[03:19:17]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: do you object to me moving the weather maps to the right side of the screen in Arclight?

[03:19:29]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: have you been repeatedly updating to newer versions of -fixes?

[03:19:41]

Beirdo:

there's this HUGE empty area, and we squeeze the maps into the left bar, seems rather silly to me

[03:19:47]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, That doesn't sound like something I want, honestly

[03:19:51]

iamlindoro:

it's inconsistent

[03:20:00]

dustybin:

i gave up with updating, everything works for me, so whats the point in updating

[03:20:08]

Beirdo:

well, the weather screens in Arclight are rather inconsistent

[03:20:25]

Beirdo:

current conditions are in the left bar, 18h, etc in the right side

[03:20:26]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, sorry, I am just saying I would not be happy with that change-- am satisfied with how they are now

[03:20:31]

wagnerrp:

0.23.1 marked a change in mythproto, which fixed a bug in the recording delete

[03:20:48]

Beirdo:

OK, no problem.

[03:21:22]

Beirdo:

I don't understand it, but that's OK, it's your theme :)

[03:21:59]

Beirdo:

good thing I ask first, eh? :)

[03:22:11]

iamlindoro:

I would hope everyone would :)

[03:22:27]

iamlindoro:

I would probably get irritated pretty quickly if people were modifying my theme without consulting me

[03:23:06]

iamlindoro:

So thanks for doing it :)

[03:23:08]

Beirdo:

I may make a mockup to show you at some point in case you feel like reconsidering, but it's not gonna be now. :)

[03:23:17]

Beirdo:

no problemo

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dustybin:

most people who chat here are devs rather than users?

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wagnerrp:

devs or regs

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wagnerrp:

everyone else either lurks, or is asking for help

[03:25:24]

dustybin:

aye true

[03:25:46]

dustybin:

if this channel was full of users, there would be no help

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Beirdo:

anyone remember what the screenshot key is?

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Shadow__X:

isnt sata supposed to be hot swapable ?

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wagnerrp:

SATA, no... AHCI, yes

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wagnerrp:

newer controllers that support AHCI mode are hotswappable

[03:32:56]

wagnerrp:

but older controllers were limited to the old ATA control set

[03:32:57]

wagnerrp:

and could not

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Shadow__X:

good point thanks

[03:34:41]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Beirdo, we have a screenshot key?

[03:34:43]

Shadow__X:

and just to be sure if my mb supports ahci but i installed linux with the old ata control set being used i cant or atleast shouldnt switch to ahci correct

[03:35:16]

Beirdo:

you have to map it, it seems

[03:35:27]

Beirdo:

hahah

[03:35:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I didn't know about it though

[03:35:30]

wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: added way back in the 12k revisions

[03:35:41]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I miss things, sometimes.

[03:35:41]

Beirdo:

It worked, I have a pile of screenshots in /tmp

[03:35:42]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:35:49]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

What is the key for it

[03:35:58]

Beirdo:

I thought I setup a storage group...

[03:36:00]

Beirdo:

there isn't one

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Beirdo:

you have to map one

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: on windows, thats a bad idea... on linux, you just have to make sure your kernel supports AHCI

[03:36:31]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah its my mythtv backend i am sure 2.6.32 supports ahci

[03:36:55]

wagnerrp:

the worst that might happen is your disk mapping is off, so you drop into single user mode, define the proper disk, and fix the fstab

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wagnerrp:

i migrated a couple i5 machines to AHCI that way on SuSe

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Shadow__X:

that doesnt sound bad

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iamlindoro:

I need to go add a popup to the screenshot binding

[03:39:05]

iamlindoro:

so that it's not utterly without feedback

[03:39:45]

wagnerrp:

audio is only supported during playback, right?

[03:39:46]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: yeah, would be good. is it supposed to support storage groups?

[03:39:59]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, support in what way?

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wagnerrp:

i think it just dumps to your user folder

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wagnerrp:

in ~/.mythtv somewhere

[03:40:21]

Beirdo:

it uses a setting in General settings currently

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wagnerrp:

ah

[03:40:39]

Beirdo:

i.e. if we make a Screenshots SG, is it supposed to use it

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iamlindoro:

No, it does not write out to SGs... seems like that would be unnecessary

[03:40:58]

Beirdo:

I made one a while back, but my screenshots are on /tmp

[03:41:05]

Beirdo:

OK, I'll just point it at the dir :)

[03:41:07]

iamlindoro:

the Screenshots SG is for screenshots being displayed, not written... only MythVideo uses it

[03:41:14]

Beirdo:

ahhh

[03:41:35]

iamlindoro:

That said, I am fairly certain at least one of us aspires for the recordings Screenshots to go there eventually too

[03:41:43]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont really see a reason for taking screenshots of mythtv, besides debugging and writing articles

[03:41:55]

Beirdo:

bragging rights...

[03:42:07]

Beirdo:

ummm. mockups of themes...

[03:42:09]

wagnerrp:

in both of those, you can go into filesystem and retrieve them manually

[03:42:15]

wagnerrp:

(writing articles)

[03:42:16]

Beirdo:

I know ;)

[03:42:21]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, But if you're taking them in myth, they're not mockups any more

[03:42:29]

Virindi:

hrm, that's funny...I turned on live tv to test my tuner, then turned it off and now it won't record again, keeps saying the tuner is busy recording live tv even though I'm not watching it anymore

[03:42:37]

Beirdo:

true nuff

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wagnerrp:

Virindi: did you press 'r'?

[03:43:02]

Virindi:

where?

[03:43:14]

wagnerrp:

in livetv

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Virindi:

you mean before? no, I pressed escape

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wagnerrp:

trunk or 0.23?

[03:43:54]

Virindi:

0.23.20100717–1

[03:44:20]

Virindi:

I believe it is trunk

[03:44:39]

Virindi:

however, I got this version because I was trying to match the prebuilt win32 frontend

[03:45:45]

Virindi:

I will just restart the backend

[03:47:52]

iamlindoro:

In the grand scheme of reasons to run trunk, that is very very low on the "good" list

[03:48:25]

Virindi:

I was pissed because the frontend silently updated my db without saying anything

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sphery:

frontend can not do that

[03:49:18]

Virindi:

it did

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sphery:

unless you're running something prior to 0.21

[03:49:24]

Virindi:

the backend was old

[03:49:26]

Virindi:

very old

[03:49:32]

sphery:

only mythbackend and mythtv-setup can upgrade the database

[03:49:34]

Virindi:

the frontend that did the upgrading was curent

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k-man:

is it documented somewhere wheather hdhr multirec works in .23?

[03:49:46]

sphery:

in MythTV 0.21-fixes and below, mythfrontend could also

[03:50:02]

sphery:

in MythTV 0.22 and above, mythfrontend can never upgrade the DB without your telling it to

[03:50:12]

wagnerrp:

Virindi: the frontend may update the schema of plugins it has loaded

[03:50:13]

Virindi:

by current I mean it was the one included with ubuntu 10

[03:50:15]

Virindi:

however

[03:50:23]

wagnerrp:

but it will not update the primary schema

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sphery:

so the only way mythfrontend could have updated your DB is if your DB was 0.20 and you ran mythfrontend 0.21

[03:50:52]

Virindi:

when I built myth myself and ran the frontend with a recent build, in the same scenario, suddenly the new build popped a message saying the db was old and would I like it updated

[03:50:54]

sphery:

Virindi: what likely happened was your distro automatically ran mythbackend for you and upgraded your DB

[03:50:57]

Virindi:

so the problem is obviously solved

[03:51:28]

sphery:

those were plugin schema upgrades

[03:51:35]

sphery:

not TV schema

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Virindi:

it caused my old backend to not be startable anymore

[03:52:20]

sphery:

well, let's just say, "the problem is not what you think it was--something else happened"

[03:52:30]

sphery:

but at this point, it's moot, because you've now upgraded

[03:52:31]

Virindi:

basically: I had a 0.21 backend, I tried to connect with the myth frontend package only in ubuntu 10.04, then tried to restart the backend and it failed saying the schema was too new

[03:53:16]

Virindi:

I hadn't done anything else unusual and the frontend package only was installed on that client, the backend was not installed

[03:53:16]

sphery:

maybe your distro ran it with the argument to upgrade the DB

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Virindi:

I wouldn't put it past ubuntu honestly

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sphery:

but I really think something else was going on

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wagnerrp:

his 'distro' was the precompiled windows installer

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Virindi:

no

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Virindi:

this happened before that

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sphery:

I have no idea what the windows stuff does

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Virindi:

this was before I ran any of the windows stuff

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does the frontend check the primary schema (and exit) before running through the plugin schema checks?

[03:54:37]

sphery:

yep

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Virindi:

that was the reason I went to the windows stuff, because I then had to upgrade my backend to a version that was no longer compatible with the mythtv player application

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sphery:

I really think some backend or mythtv-setup upgraded the DB for him

[03:55:01]

sphery:

don't know who ran it or where, but...

[03:55:50]

Virindi:

maybe it is part of the ubuntu package? not sure, that wouldn't make much sense since when the package set up I hadn't put in the IP for the backend yet

[03:56:20]

sphery:

it will autodetect any running backend, get DB info, then upgrade it

[03:56:40]

sphery:

I plan to change it so only the master backend can upgrade it, but I have to get buy-in

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Virindi:

oh really

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Virindi:

that sounds really dangerous

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wagnerrp:

dangerous? making the frontend completely unable to update schema would be dangerous?

[03:58:50]

Virindi:

does the backend report the db user/pass in autodiscovery or something? how is it that the db u/p is known?

[03:59:21]

wagnerrp:

yes

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Virindi:

what is dangerous is allowing the schema to be updated by anything but the primary backend

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Virindi:

I'm assuming schema updates aren't reversible...

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sphery:

Virindi: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'SELECT COUNT(*) FROM settings WHERE value = 'SecurityPin' AND data = '0000';

[04:00:29]

sphery:

Virindi: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM settings WHERE value = 'SecurityPin' AND data = '0000';"

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sphery:

the second one--paste submitted enter too soon

[04:01:00]

Virindi:

so if you set a pin then stuff can't do that?

[04:01:15]

sphery:

if you have 0000 as the pin, stuff can do that

[04:01:20]

sphery:

so, what's that say?

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Virindi:

ah

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wagnerrp:

'0000' is the default code for ubuntu, and the default one used for autodetection in the frontend and language bindinggggggs

[04:01:28]

sphery:

that's what I figured

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wagnerrp:

if you leave it blank, it will be disabled entirely

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sphery:

and that's your explanation of how it auto-upgraded

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Virindi:

when I installed there was no pin setting as far as I can tell, my db has been around since before the fedora 1 howto

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wagnerrp:

if you set it to something other than 0000, you will have to enter that pin to auto-update

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sphery:

Virindi: so, run that command, please

[04:02:09]

wagnerrp:

i believe the backend still has no default pin

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wagnerrp:

meaning autodetection is disabled

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Virindi:

there is a security pin in the db

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Virindi:

hmm

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Virindi:

it has an entry for 'ubuntu', does that mean that a backend with that hostname connected at some point

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Virindi:

there is a nonzero pin for the actual backend's hostname though

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Shadow_:

by any chance does anyone here have an asus p5q-e mb or a mb with the asus drive xpert

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k-man:

in mythweb, is there any way to search for the language a program is in?

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k-man:

the language is stored in the xmltv guide data at least

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k-man:

i wonder if it is parsed and stored in the database for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

no, if mythtv is presented guide data in multiple languages, it will only store that in your selected language

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k-man:

wagnerrp: no, i mean... the language of the show

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k-man:

not the guide data

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wagnerrp:

nope

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k-man:

for instance, the xml guide data has, for a particular program: <language lang="en">English, Italian, Arabic</language>

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wagnerrp:

that information gets discarded

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k-man:

ooh, ok

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k-man:

that's a shame

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

my brain says "do more tickets"

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Beirdo:

shuddup, brain :)

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wagnerrp:

my brain says "finish this documentation"

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Beirdo:

someone's got a super-fierce little dog around here that thinks its a great dane or something

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wagnerrp:

my neighbor has a dog that thinks its a drunk heiress

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Beirdo:

yapping at every car, every human, and god help other dogs

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Beirdo:

noisy little bugger

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wagnerrp:

takes naps out in the grass, laying spread eagle on its back

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Beirdo:

hahah

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wagnerrp:

never seen a dog do that before

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Beirdo:

call it Paris

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wagnerrp:

in all honesty, i didnt think their joints could bend that way

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

wonder if #5743 is a real bug or just a fix for an imagined problematic situation

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Beirdo:

not to mention the bug description being badly fractured English

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Shadow_:

so some of my hard drives are not looking soo great one of them the reallocated sector count is at 1

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Shadow_:

and on the other ones the seek error rate is really high

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Shadow_:

the raw read error rate is high as well

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Beirdo:

a reallocated sector count of 1 is nothing

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Shadow_:

are those something to be concerned about

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wagnerrp:

eventually

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Beirdo:

read/seek errors might mean something, but a single reallocated sector's not a problem per se

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Shadow_:

the drive with the reallocated sector count i plan on rmaing

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wagnerrp:

the smart data should list a value at which you should start to be concerned

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Beirdo:

an ever increasing number.... that's something to be concerned about

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Beirdo:

you want to RMA for ONE reallocated sector?!

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Beirdo:

that's not even a failure

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wagnerrp:

its like a stuck pixel

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Shadow_:

for reallocated sector count in smartctl value is 100 worst is 100 and threshhold is 36

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Shadow_:

so if its 36 i should worry

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wagnerrp:

most people dont have the eyesight to see it, but you /know/ its there

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Beirdo:

it's like a stuck pixel that the drive quietly replaced for you

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Beirdo:

if it's reallocated, it's fine

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wagnerrp:

well, more that the company will laugh at you for one subpixel

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wagnerrp:

most wont do it for less than 8

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Beirdo:

drives have a fairly large number of spare sectors for that exact purpose

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wagnerrp:

or 3 in a bundle

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Shadow_:

i gotcha that makes sense

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Beirdo:

one reallocation is nothing. thousands... and increasing... that's telling you your drive is starting to fail

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Shadow_:

the unless the reallocated sector count increases or starts to become a higher number than i should worry

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Beirdo:

yeah, basically

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wagnerrp:

a single SMART snapshot is never worthwhile

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Beirdo:

a few ain't a problem. lots... is a potentially bad sign :)

[05:21:16]

wagnerrp:

you need to watch trends

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Shadow_:

hmm ok how do i do that

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wagnerrp:

you run smartd, and wait for it to set off an alarm

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Shadow_:

that simple ?

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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Beirdo:

I need to record something with & in the name

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** Beirdo goes off to schedule Law & Order **

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Beirdo:

#8132... gotta find a way to test that :)

[05:26:12]

Beirdo:

oh wait.

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Beirdo:

Rizzoli & Isles

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Shadow_:

thanks Beirdo and wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

no problem

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Shadow_:

so it seems like i dont have to worry as of yet

[05:27:42]

Beirdo:

#8132 will wait for tomorrow night

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k-man:

so... given that mythtv does not store the language that a show is in, how would you recommend that I search for and record programs in any given language?

[05:40:04]

k-man:

parse output.xmltv maybe?

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waxhead_:

kudos to mythtv, upgraded 2 1tb drives to 2 2tb drives with no loss of recordings etc...

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Beirdo:

#4517... wow

[06:02:26]

Beirdo:

the patch is reversed

[06:02:38]

Beirdo:

and it's against rev 15387 or so

[06:06:24]

Beirdo:

and the directory structure ain't in it :)

[06:06:25]

Beirdo:

fun

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dougt:

Beirdo: what dev usually works on HD-PVR issues. (specifically mythpreviewgen crashing when run against files from the pvr)

[06:13:25]

Beirdo:

dougt: not sure, why?

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Beirdo:

I'm pretty sure that's been fixed in trunk

[06:13:55]

Beirdo:

it's never done that to me that I've noticed anyways

[06:14:22]

Beirdo:

if it's doing it to you in trunk, I suggest getting the backtrace, etc, and creating a ticket so it can get fixed :)

[06:14:45]

dougt:

Beirdo: what version? I am running 25620.

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dougt:

Beirdo: do you see stuff like: mythpreviewgen[14069]: segfault

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dougt:

in dmesg?

[06:15:11]

Beirdo:

ah, that

[06:15:14]

Beirdo:

heh

[06:15:16]

dougt:

yeah that.

[06:15:18]

dougt:

:)

[06:15:25]

Beirdo:

I get that all the time with mythfilldatabase

[06:15:42]

Beirdo:

it's crashing during shutdown of the program, IIRC

[06:15:43]

dougt:

i get that when using mythweb mostly.

[06:15:48]

Beirdo:

not sure in mythpreviewgen

[06:16:15]

Beirdo:

you probably want a ticket if one doesn't already exist

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dougt:

it does. i added a stacktrace

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dougt:

8261

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Beirdo:

cool

[06:17:29]

Beirdo:

I'm sure it will get love soon

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dougt:

5+ months old.

[06:17:45]

dougt:

interestly...

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dougt:

i think i either didn't notice it before, or it is happening more often

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justinh:

bleh

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justinh:

got to work & found my chair was missing :-\

[06:18:59]

justinh:

oh and the time & attendance booking system is screwed since it was relying on an Office dll & I deleted Office after finding I needed the original CD to uninstall it

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Beirdo:

dougt: I think the race condition is such that it happens more now

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dougt:

my stack was deep in sse2 code.

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justinh:

on the plus side at least I only had 6 emails to read. Six emails, after being off for 2 weeks lol

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Beirdo:

justinh: wow, you must feel really special... sigh

[06:20:47]

justinh:

I get all my work by word of mouth anyway

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Beirdo:

heh

[06:21:07]

justinh:

as in, manager comes over, says this needs doing yesterday, stands over me while I do it

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justinh:

big day today. my wife's 1st day alone with my son

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

I hope it goes well

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justinh:

heh me too

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Beirdo:

closed another... duplicates FTW

[06:41:43]

Beirdo:

Gallery-wise, down to those two related tickets about captions.

[06:42:03]

Beirdo:

mythweather has a setup screen tweak

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Beirdo:

perl bindings have some work to do

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Beirdo:

gettin there

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Shadow__X:

mythnetvision on .24 gained a good amount of grabbers

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justinh:

gah why doesn't GIMP have presets for cropping?

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

well that was a fun weekend

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k-man:

is there any chance of a languages field being added to mythtv? (as in the language the show is aired in)?

[07:23:23]

justinh:

does xmltv even support that?

[07:23:38]

kormoc:

Sure, if any data providers provided it

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justinh:

I think for the vast majority of users that'd be superfluous anyway

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kormoc:

justinh, not that I know of

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k-man:

justinh: um.... my xmltv appears to have language info in it, such as: <language lang="en">Arabic, French</language>

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k-man:

beyond that, i don't know

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kormoc:

what do ya know, http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat "There is support for listings in multiple languages and each programme can have 'language' and 'original language' details."

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justinh:

sigh. yet another field to find space for onscreen

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kormoc:

it'd be nice to use in recording rules

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sid3windr:

and then you can put the languages in different languages!

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kormoc:

I only want english programs

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sid3windr:

"ohai I herd u liek languages so I put a language in your language so u can speak while u speak"

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justinh:

I only want programmes which don't have in-vision signing, but there's no recording rule setup for that yet

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k-man:

kormoc: yes, thats why i am asking, my mother inlaw speaks arabic and we never have any tv for her to watch when she visits. would be great if i could just set a "record all arabic movies"

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kormoc:

it shouldn't be hard for you to whip up a patch

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k-man:

justinh: do many programs have in-vision signing?

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k-man:

kormoc: who? me?

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k-man:

heh

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kormoc:

Aye! It's open source for a reason :)

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k-man:

i know

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k-man:

don't even know where to start

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kormoc:

mythfilldatabase pulls the info from the xml files and adds it to the database

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kormoc:

so you just need to tell mythfilldatabase to extract it and add it to the insert query, and you need to add a column to the program, oldprogram, etc tables

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T-Co:

What does mythtv use internally? I heard that it has a similar thing for fixing TS what projectx is doing?

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T-Co:

I have a "broken" DVB-T MPEG2-TS file and initially what I did was, I hardencoded subtitles to the video and then further encoded this file to x264 MP4. Now I tried to fix this TS with projectx and get video.m2v audio.mp2 and subtitle/teletex.sup

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T-Co:

I found no software that I could remux these back to TS, including the subtitles.

[07:38:39]

T-Co:

VLC doesn't seem to support this projectx subpicture format .sup

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T-Co:

I'm open for new ideas also

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Beirdo:

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with mythtv

[07:49:30]

Beirdo:

this isn't a general video channel, it's a mythtv channel

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Beirdo:

at best you might find someone with an idea, but I certainly wouldn't expect it

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T-Co:

[16.08.2010 10:35:52] ( T-Co) What does mythtv use internally? I heard that it has a similar thing for fixing TS what projectx is doing?

[07:50:05]

T-Co:

That was my question for mythtv

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Beirdo:

the code is available

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T-Co:

I was just trying to shed some light to what I'm doing.

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T-Co:

Beirdo, Care to elaborate? Do you happen to know which module is doing it?

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Beirdo:

no idea what projectx does

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T-Co:

Essentially it fixes broken timestamps and CRC errors from TS

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Beirdo:

and no idea what may or may not fix TS files, especially with non-standard payloads

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Beirdo:

replex can do that, no?

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T-Co:

replex doesn't support dvb subtitles

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Beirdo:

oh well

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T-Co:

:)

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T-Co:

And that is essential to me.

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T-Co:

Beirdo, Tell me about it :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, it being nearly 1am, I'm going to bed

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Beirdo:

have fun playing with TS files

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T-Co:

10:55 AM here

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T-Co:

I wil

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justinh:

first thing I do with DVB subtitles & AD streams is get rid of em :D

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T-Co:

:/

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justinh:

ahh you know what, Ubuntu? Go to hell with your updates

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mtrelins:

hi there, does anyone use the Import DVD feature?

[09:10:33]

justinh:

I don't, but if you describe the problem you're having, somebody might actually be able to help

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mtrelins:

i'm having a problem with lucid / mythbuntu release when i rip a dvd i get uneven playback (consistently uneven) slows down, speeds up (repeat)

[09:13:56]

mtrelins:

amd athlon x2 3ghz, 4gb ram, 500gb sata

[09:14:10]

mtrelins:

is it possible to use handbrake to do the transcoding?

[09:14:17]

mtrelins:

rather than "transcode" ?

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justinh:

I just use handbrake anyway

[09:14:29]

mtrelins:

yes, but from the menu?

[09:14:37]

justinh:

for the whole thing. I don't need/want to be able to do it with a remote

[09:14:38]

mtrelins:

like... real nice and .. integratey

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justinh:

meh

[09:14:49]

justinh:

meh meh meh meh MEH

[09:15:10]

justinh:

like CD ripping, it's an unnecessary feature IMHO :)

[09:15:24]

mtrelins:

meh, i like it

[09:15:28]

mtrelins:

it worked well on 0.21

[09:15:30]

mtrelins:

:)

[09:15:34]

mtrelins:

but we don't speak of that release

[09:15:43]

mtrelins:

(i was told)

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justinh:

what's the big deal about ripping a disk on a desktop machine anyway? It's not as if you can load & unload disks from your armchair :P

[09:19:32]

mtrelins:

huh?

[09:19:41]

mtrelins:

but if i rip them, then i can

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mtrelins:

i have a bunch of favorites

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mtrelins:

that i watch frequently

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mtrelins:

plus, the cpu in the bedroom doesn't have an optical drive

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mtrelins:

it's a nettop

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justinh:

no, I mean if you're gonna rip something, it's not like it's something you'll do often so what's the point having it integrated so you do it with a remote?

[09:20:45]

mtrelins:

i have quite a collection

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mtrelins:

a few hundred dvds

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justinh:

even less argument to do it from mythvideo then :)

[09:21:04]

mtrelins:

why?

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mtrelins:

it's really nice

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justinh:

because of all the loading/unloading

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justinh:

anyhow if I were you I'd be trying to get to the bottom of why the transcoded videos are borked

[09:21:54]

justinh:

and no, IMHO... it's not nice. I've *tried* to use mythdvd in the past

[09:22:01]

justinh:

like mytharchive

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justinh:

use mythfrontend -v playback to try & get some insight as to why playback of the transcoded videos isn't working properly

[09:24:37]

justinh:

would also help to know if the videos you've produced by transcoding play ok in anything else

[09:25:17]

justinh:

because if they play fine in other things, then you know the files themselves are OK

[09:25:25]

mtrelins:

yeah i can play the dvd fine

[09:25:33]

mtrelins:

i can play the iso rips fine

[09:25:38]

mtrelins:

but the transcode is f'd

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justinh:

yes but can you play the transcoded files with anything else?

[09:26:03]

justinh:

e.g. mplayer, xine, vlc

[09:26:18]

justinh:

determine if the files are bad or if it's just something with mythfrontend

[09:26:27]

justinh:

you know, eliminate some variables

[09:27:02]

justinh:

and get some output from mythfrontend – chances are there are clues in -v playback

[09:28:18]

mtrelins:

would tailing the logs be ok?

[09:28:25]

mtrelins:

on the frontend

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justinh:

no

[09:29:10]

mtrelins:

same problem as me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395227

[09:29:22]

justinh:

well, not unless you're doing it while playing back the errant file

[09:30:19]

justinh:

mtrelins: that thread is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard

[09:30:28]

mtrelins:

i agree

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mtrelins:

but that's the same problem i have

[09:31:02]

justinh:

doesn't appear to be

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mtrelins:

oh wait

[09:31:07]

mtrelins:

wrong url

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

d'oh

[09:31:22]

justinh:

anyway, ubuntu forums make for super dull reading :)

[09:31:42]

justinh:

it makes no difference to me if you're the only one with a problem or there are 5 million ubuntu users affected :)

[09:32:59]

justinh:

at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if there's some weird thing with the version of transcode ubuntu ship

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justinh:

like how they ship ffmpeg in a crippled form

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mtrelins:

i recompiled transcode

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mtrelins:

it's running differently

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justinh:

looking at the UI for mythdvd, you can quite easily use whatever you want to transcode the files

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mtrelins:

yeah but i'm just wondering if the frontend will understand the encoder progress

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mtrelins:

or be able to tell it what sizes to use

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justinh:

hmmm. can't tell where the transcoder profiles are set up either

[09:59:11]

mtrelins:

exactly.

[09:59:13]

justinh:

I just use handbrake & have done with it.

[09:59:20]

justinh:

it'

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mtrelins:

i'm having trouble finding the cli version of handbrake for linux

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justinh:

it's a nice idea to have everything integrated sure, but in practise it's more of a PITA

[09:59:43]

mtrelins:

i found the ppa site from handbrake's website

[09:59:55]

mtrelins:

it's only a bear to setup...

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mtrelins:

if you leave it alone after that

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mtrelins:

everything is fine

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justinh:

apart from the "Error transcode failed with code 324537467" stuff

[10:00:53]

mtrelins:

i wish the import dvd was configurable via regex or something

[10:00:56]

mtrelins:

to capture progress

[10:01:08]

mtrelins:

and configurable with setting sizes

[10:01:08]

justinh:

like wth does the number mean? oh yeah go in the source, find the base number & subtract X from that to find out what happened

[10:01:18]

mtrelins:

it sends to the commandline as 720X480

[10:02:03]

justinh:

disc space is cheap. just rip as perfect & dump the menus etc away :)

[10:02:13]

mtrelins:

hah

[10:02:31]

justinh:

I've not seen a transcoded file that didn't look like legovision from time to time anyway

[10:02:42]

mtrelins:

this isn't legovision

[10:02:45]

mtrelins:

it's like a bad trip

[10:02:45]

justinh:

so what if it's only 700kb/sec if sky/skin looks like arse

[10:03:02]

mtrelins:

i always rip way higher than that anyways

[10:03:37]

justinh:

even 2Mb/sec can end up bigger than the original files

[10:04:08]

mtrelins:

i read something online that said just to use dvdshrink and then rename the vob to .mpeg

[10:04:22]

justinh:

I own so few films, let alone anything worth watching multiple times :)

[10:04:45]

mtrelins:

i have a music video about you

[10:05:02]

justinh:

music video DVDs, I like, to bits

[10:05:39]

justinh:

but films.. there isn't much that can withstand multiple viewings IMHO. I see most stuff as time in my life I'll never get back

[10:05:51]

mtrelins:

http://bit.ly/9cFYKV

[10:06:11]

mtrelins:

lol

[10:06:38]

mtrelins:

i like to put on various movies to fall asleep, inspire moods (good / bad / angry / happy), etc

[10:06:57]

mtrelins:

most of the stuff i have is like < 1992

[10:08:05]

justinh:

emo song? somebody needs a good smack

[10:08:17]

mtrelins:

that's no way to talk about your penis

[10:08:20]

justinh:

like I don't value film as art or whatever

[10:08:25]

mtrelins:

oh

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justinh:

I bloody well do, it's just I'

[10:08:38]

mtrelins:

i only value certain films as art

[10:08:39]

justinh:

I'm such a fricking snob very little measures up

[10:08:42]

mtrelins:

but i almost never watch them

[10:09:00]

mtrelins:

most of what i watch is pure cheese

[10:09:08]

justinh:

so many movies are just like 90+ minutes of nothing at all

[10:09:20]

justinh:

some, even more so.. like 2.5 hours of nothing much

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mtrelins:

Clue, Blue Crush, Spies Like Us, Stripes...

[10:09:29]

justinh:

cheese can be good :)

[10:10:06]

mtrelins:

those are my usuals on rotation

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mtrelins:

oh, and Strange Brew

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justinh:

most watched film in my collection is possible War Games lol

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justinh:

*possibly

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justinh:

dunno why

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mtrelins:

i do own that

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mtrelins:

good movie

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justinh:

or Ferris Bueller's Day off

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mtrelins:

a matthew broderick fan?

[10:11:56]

justinh:

not especially

[10:12:09]

mtrelins:

don't lie, it's ok for you to like a male actor and be a heterosexual

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justinh:

I like a few movies he's been in but that doesn't make me a fan

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mtrelins:

oh yeah, and The Burbs

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mtrelins:

i love that movie

[10:13:08]

mtrelins:

i love almost all christian slater movies

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mtrelins:

no idea why

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justinh:

anyway, if I like a film enough to keep it, it's generally worth the disk space :)

[10:13:32]

justinh:

heh. Pump Up The Volume. Another frequent watch

[10:13:37]

mtrelins:

yeah

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justinh:

very underrated film

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mtrelins:

Pump up the volume, Kuffs, Broken Arrow, Gleaming the Cube

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mtrelins:

come to think of it, i have yet to see a stinker with christian slater in it

[10:14:18]

justinh:

wonder if mythvideo has a play count

[10:14:26]

mtrelins:

true romance was good, too

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justinh:

I finally got round to watching Lethal Weapon the other night lol

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justinh:

never seen it

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mtrelins:

oh

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mtrelins:

that's a gem

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mtrelins:

you should hit up 2–4

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mtrelins:

and then do die hard 1–4

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justinh:

seen all the Die Hard films

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justinh:

least I feel like I've seen them all lol

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mtrelins:

i thought die hard 4.0 was actually really good

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mtrelins:

2 sucked though

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mtrelins:

the sad part: the person that got me to see that was my girlfriend. lol

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mtrelins:

what does a misanthrope like you think of all the new movies being in 3d?

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justinh:

have a guess

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justinh:

like most other movies they're missing only one thing: NARRATIVE

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justinh:

:)

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mtrelins:

ok, so what do you think about morgan freeman movies?

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mtrelins:

as far as narrators go, he's gotta make you cum a little?

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justinh:

wth?

[10:28:43]

mtrelins:

j/k

[10:29:24]

mtrelins:

ok, what did you think of the shawshank redemption?

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justinh:

it was ok

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mtrelins:

OK?

[10:30:43]

mtrelins:

it's the #1 movie on IMDB

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

Avatar grossed like HOW much? ;-)

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mtrelins:

it's # 115

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justinh:

doesn't mean it's the best thing since sliced coke

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justinh:

we've all got opinions.. some of them differ. thank GOD

[10:31:39]

mtrelins:

maybe i'm asking the wrong questions

[10:31:47]

mtrelins:

do you actually LOVE any movie?

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justinh:

be hard pressed to say

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mtrelins:

can you rate any movie you've seen as a 9.2/10?

[10:32:31]

justinh:

why would I feel the need to rate anything?

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

do you get grudge-laid a lot?

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justinh:

I really enjoy some films

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justinh:

but for every film I've enjoyed in my life I reckon there must be 20 lemons I've sat through

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justinh:

I tried learning how to unplug my brain & just sit back & let something wash over but that was no fun really

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justinh:

which is pretty much why, when it comes to movies I can't care less if it's 2d/3d/whatever.. if it hasn't got a good original story it's not worth jack

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mtrelins:

i agree

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justinh:

depends on the length, too. I mean 2 hours in an average cinema chair is hard going

[10:37:52]

mtrelins:

meh, that's why i have a projector and an affinity for old movies

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justinh:

somebody really needs to work on computerising scriptwriting

[10:39:48]

mtrelins:

dr. strangelove?

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justinh:

last film I watched which surprised me was Marley & Me. I got past the fact Wilson & Anuston were in it & it wasn't bad

[10:40:40]

justinh:

*recent* film anyway

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mtrelins:

i liked toy story 3. yeah. i said it.

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justinh:

not seen it yet. been a bit busy

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justinh:

going to the flicks will require a babysitter

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mtrelins:

it's ok and the 3d didn't make me sick

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mtrelins:

take the kids, it's ts3

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justinh:

I've not seen anything in 3d yet. all that sitting in a bad seat for 2 hours puts me off

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justinh:

I don't think a 2 week old will appreciate it somehow ;)

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

you were just this apathetic about 4 months ago

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justinh:

yeah about FILMS. FFS

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justinh:

you make it sounds like being apathetic about FILM is like being apathetic about LIFE

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mtrelins:

what about She's Having a Baby

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mtrelins:

don't these movies strike up any feelings in you?

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justinh:

and nothing could be further from the truth

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justinh:

I bawled like a baby when the dog had to be put down in Marley & Me

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justinh:

blame my own dog for that

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mtrelins:

damn

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mtrelins:

i was hoping you had something on the other end of the spectrum

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justinh:

I dunno, if I like a film or something I treat it for what it is there & then

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mtrelins:

because that would bring it back to my long-ass point i'm trying to make

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justinh:

I don't go for like some all-time top ten lists etc :)

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justinh:

mtrelins: truth is, the vast majority of films I've seen don't stand out for any reason other than I got an ache & felt like I'd been robbed

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mtrelins:

lol

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justinh:

you talk about films invoking emotions – but that kinda involves some kind of engagement with the characters and/or plot. there's not much you can say has those these days

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mtrelins:

i agree

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mtrelins:

most of the movies i listed off aren't even made in the 90s

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mtrelins:

or 00s

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mtrelins:

or 10s

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mtrelins:

they are like 30 years old

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justinh:

breakfast club, ferris, wargames, hmm... toy story, Up, original theatrical release of Star Wars... Last Starfighter, Gremlins..

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justinh:

I can say I do love those films

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justinh:

oh, Pulp Fiction. I'd actually sit & watch that on repeat lol

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mtrelins:

you can sit during the rape scene?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

I think they had it comin to em

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justinh:

oh yeah In The Loop. That film is most excellent

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justinh:

Peter Capaldi is a genius.. sweary McF***

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mtrelins:

lol

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justinh:

his parting line to the American is a classic. "You.. are an F star star C**T"

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justinh:

reminds me.. back to wondering when The Thick Of It returns

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GuySoft:

hi all, whats the 'cross source EIT' option in mythtv?

[11:14:19]

justinh:

what do you mean, what's the 'cross source EIT' option in mythtv?

[11:14:23]

justinh:

you mean what's it for?

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GreyFoxx:

.

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slacker-:

Hi

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slacker-:

my tv playback skips and the load goes up to > 2 during playback

[11:34:14]

slacker-:

any suggestion how to change the playback profile?

[11:36:21]

slacker-:

or change anything else?

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justinh:

playback profiles are chosen from utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback

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slacker-:

i know but the options are not really self explanatory

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slacker-:

s/how/in which way/

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slacker-:

i've got it on 'normal' now

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justinh:

then try 'slim'

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slacker-:

are those options documented somehwere?

[11:40:06]

justinh:

is this with SDTV? HDTV? h.264? mpeg2 ? on what kind of CPU & video card?

[11:40:25]

justinh:

look in the output of mythfrontend -v playback for clues too

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slacker-:

sdtv

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slacker-:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz

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justinh:

there's a chance your video drivers don't even have Xv working, which means that colour space conversion & scaling are being done in software which is very costly in CPU use

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slacker-:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

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justinh:

using the nvidia driver or just Nv?

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slacker-:

i've got the noveau x drivers running

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justinh:

try using the nvidia one then

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slacker-:

mplayer -vo xv runs ok

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justinh:

that's no indication of nuffink

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slacker-:

I'd rather not change to the nvidia driver. didn't have much luck with it previously

[11:43:38]

slacker-:

this is ubuntu 10.04 and the drivers that come with apt all sucked

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slacker-:

both nv and nvidia

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justinh:

ubuntu just seems to suck entirely, these days

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slacker-:

that is true, unfortunately

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slacker-:

so what about those profile options? any explanations around?

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justinh:

don't think there are any

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slacker-:

hm

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justinh:

but if there were any anywhere I'd expect to see them in the wiki

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slacker-:

normal and slim don't seem to differ

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

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slacker-:

i'm on normal atm

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slacker-:

i'll have a read. cheers

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, CTRL+a CTRL+ALT+m META+z and even SHIFT+q if you don't want to use 'Q'.

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slacker-:

is there a way to reset the key bindings shown under "Keybindings Editor" in mythweb?

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justinh:

not really

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slacker-:

in addition to a sucky OS i've got a sucky remote

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slacker-:

is there a mysql 'script' that's used to initialise the database that I could use for an update of the appropriate table?

[12:23:48]

slacker-:

hmm. maybe the keybindings aren't too bad and I can get away by replacing the lircrc

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oobe:

if you know what the tables are called you could install the mc.sql to a different temporary name then export the tables

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oobe:

then import them into your real database

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justinh:

we really could do with a 'reset' feature for most settings

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oobe:

yea

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feitingen:

any suggestion on the best way to rip a huge dvd collection so that i preserve subtitles and multiple audio languages so that i can see them in mythvideo?

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slacker-:

mkv is a great container. no idea what mythvideo does with it

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feitingen:

mythvideo didn't support multiple(any?) subtitle tracks in mkv last time i checked, only .srt named exactly the same as the video file

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feitingen:

which i believe limits the subtitle tracks to only one..

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GreyFoxx:

It supports multiple subtitles in an mkv last I tried it, though it's not something I use much (subtitles)

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slacker-:

oobe: where should I look for this mc.sql? I don't have one locally

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GreyFoxx:

mc.sql is in the source. Though I believe it does nothing more than create the database and add the user. It doesn't last I looked setup tables or content

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GreyFoxx:

that's done by myth itself

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slacker-:

oh

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feitingen:

GreyFoxx: i like subtitles, and my girlfriend likes dubbing... it would be cool to get it all in mythtv so i'll save the discs

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a few MKV's with the subtitles in them, though I only bother to keep the english ones and they seem to work last I tried them

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slacker-:

ah.. MythWeb allows you to configure which keys are bound to which actions within MythTV. If you'd like to reset this back to the default, execute the following command:

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slacker-:

$ echo "delete from keybindings ;" | mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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sid3windr:

mysql -e works too ya know

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sid3windr:

:p

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slacker-:

this came from mythtv.org

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sid3windr:

;)

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justinh:

wha?

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justinh:

where's this, so I can have it deleted?

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sid3windr:

:D

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justinh:

not that we see that many users who bork their own databases beyond recognition these days

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justinh:

but messing with the db directly is not to be encouraged

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slacker-:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-14.html

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slacker-:

so now I probably have to restart the backend to get the table back?

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slacker-:

hm.. that didn't work. maybe it's time for the backup :)

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: so i would just send the string 'CTRL+a' to the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

feitingen: mythvideo supports multiple subtitle tracks in mkv just fine

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wagnerrp:

it does not support subrip format in mkv files

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wagnerrp:

slacker-: any reason youre not running the proprietary nvidia drivers?

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rileyp:

My mythbuntu setup has been running reliably for over a year now but I am now encountering an issue during playback of almost any recording:

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rileyp:

If I open a recording and try to skip forward 30 seconds the playback hangs for a while and then returns me to the recordings list. I've had this issue in the past with very large recordings (HD cricket recordings) but it is now happening with everything. Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

check your frontend logs

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rileyp:

ok thanks

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rileyp:

Not actually my machine some one else's and so I cut and paste their request.

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wagnerrp:

!seen womble

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MythLogBot:

womble was last seen 33 days 3 hours 3 minutes 26 seconds ago

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rileyp:

On another note mythfront on my machine seems very tardy on start up....mythfrontend takes a lot longer than usual the last few daysl

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rileyp:

and mythweb takes forever to do its db checks etc

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rileyp:

much slower but it all comes back as ok

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wagnerrp:

run the database optimization tool

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rileyp:

Yes i did but its still sluggish

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rileyp:

should i just pick the eyes out of mythconverg and start a new db

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rileyp:

I ran the mythweb optrimize tool is that good enough

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rileyp:

or should I do the command line one

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rileyp:

soz terminal one

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rileyp:

must look up terminal one looking up now...

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah. something like "key CTRL+a" worked last time I tested years ago.

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GuySoft:

justinh, i ment where is it located

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justinh:

in mythtv-setup of course :)

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GuySoft:

justinh, where is the 'cross EIT' located in mythtv config

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justinh:

within the 'video sources' page IIRC

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GuySoft:

justinh, where in the setup? i tried searching for all EIT configs and didnt see it

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justinh:

either there or in 'input connections'

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GuySoft:

justinh, ok let me seew

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slacker-:

wagnerrp: proprietary drivers made all my video skip. even mplayer, and I tried all the vo's

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wagnerrp:

this is on a P4 3GHz and GF5200? what content?

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GuySoft:

justinh, just looked there, nothing, one has only something about selecting to use EIT, the other has nothing i can see

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slacker-:

normal stuff

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wagnerrp:

normal... means nothing

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wagnerrp:

codecs, bitrates, etc...

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slacker-:

let me pick an example.. sec

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justinh:

GuySoft: anyway, you don't want to be using that setting

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GuySoft:

justinh, that is what i was told in the bugreport: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770

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slacker-:

VIDEO: [XVID] 688x384 12bpp 23.976 fps 961.4 kbps (117.4 kbyte/s)

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slacker-:

AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000)

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slacker-:

that's normal

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justinh:

GuySoft: he said you need to TURN OFF that setting

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GuySoft:

justinh, and where do i turn it off??

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wagnerrp:

that CPU should have no trouble doing that codec at that bitrate

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wagnerrp:

and with Xv, scaling is all done in hardware, so no load there

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slacker-:

well, with the nvidia drivers there didn't seem to be much hardware support

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i think you need to drop back to the legacy 173.x drivers to run 5-series hardware

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slacker-:

ubuntu 10.04 that is

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GuySoft:

justinh, i really cant find it!

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justinh:

GuySoft: PFFFT

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justinh:

I found it

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justinh:

it's not where I thought it was though :D

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GuySoft:

justinh, then why wont you tell me?

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GuySoft:

justinh, well?

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justinh:

it's definitely in mythtv-setup

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GuySoft:

justinh, if it was where you thought it was ,i would have found it by now :-/

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GuySoft:

justinh, channels?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

try in GENERAL. On the 4th page

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GuySoft:

justinh, finally, thanks. let test to see if it solves the problem

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slacker-:

wagnerrp: next time it starts playing up I'll try. for now I won't touch the 'running' system ;)

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justinh:

finally? FFS you're getting value for money here

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GuySoft:

justinh, im not criticising you.. im trying to solve the problem generally for people around here

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wagnerrp:

no one ever checks the IRC logs for previously solved problems

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wagnerrp:

people rarely check the mailing list archives for previously solved problems and discussions

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justinh:

or forums

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wagnerrp:

you could try to better document it on the wiki, that has a somewhat better track record than the other mediums

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wagnerrp:

but most people ignore that too

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justinh:

I've given up being disheartened about how stupid people are :)

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sid3windr:

mediums!

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justinh:

the enquiry emails I get for the dog training club I run the website for are funny. every single one asks for info which is on the front page

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wagnerrp:

agh... i dont understand people who ask what universal remotes can be used with mythtv

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slacker-:

:)

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guysoft22:

justinh, hey, um, it still does not work: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770#comment:8

[14:19:21]

justinh:

it depends on the remotes.. and the receiver they intend to pair up with em

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justinh:

guysoft22: and?

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guysoft22:

wagnerrp, um, could you update somehow that this issue is not resoled?

[14:19:49]

guysoft22:

justinh, and i updated the bug report, it seems the cross options is not the only reason

[14:20:23]

guysoft22:

justinh, i have no permissions to update that it still does not work

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wagnerrp:

what issue is that?

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slacker-:

alright. n8 guys. thanks for your input

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justinh:

ooo you left it running for as many as 6 minutes & still no output. yikes

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guysoft22:

justinh, that is no EIT data updated. if i would have opened the frontend in the middle (i didnâ€™t, i tested again after that) then i do see i get a lock on the channel

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guysoft22:

wagnerrp, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770#comment:8

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justinh:

do other apps work with EIT in your country?

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justinh:

never put it past the broadcaster doing funky stupid stuff

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** justinh goes home **

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guysoft22:

justinh, if we have a better technical specification of what they are doing worng, we can contact them. I have a feeling they did not consult anyone on open standards, i want to make sure it works

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clusterboy:

Anyone have tips on finding the issue with streaming when NetStream streamNotFound issues crop up?

[14:32:05]

clusterboy:

running on Debian,

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clusterboy:

through mythweb with flowplayer

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clusterboy:

version 0.23.1–0.1

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iamlindoro:

Think I'm going to need to upgrade the ol' reciever-- time for something with DTS-HD/TrueHD/E-AC3 decode

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wagnerrp:

yeah, headed over to best buy in a couple hours to do that myself

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wagnerrp:

home theater amp in the motorhome died a few weeks back, need a replacement for next weekend

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GreyFoxx:

Take the motorhome on trips much ?

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wagnerrp:

the amp technically still works, but the attached dvd player is borked

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GreyFoxx:

I've always wanted to take a few long trips in one

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Twiggy2cents:

hey what are your guys views of pclinuxos? I want to switch from ubuntu, I want something at least a little user friendly but I'm a little upset with the buntus

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** Captain_Murdoch notices the email address of wagnerrp@koa.com **

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wagnerrp:

eh? not my address

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, but if one does exist, I'm sure he'll get lots of spam now that I mentioned it.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: ffmpeg is just on the cusp if being able to do bitstreaming of TrueHD and E-AC3, not to mention we can already do 7.1 PCM bitstreaming-- but current receiver is video-only via HDMI... so was figuring to treat myself to something that could decode everything from the PS3, and everything else once we get the capability

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents: If you want anything user friendly and you're switching *away* from Ubuntu, pretty much anything is likely to be an exercise in heartbreak

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wagnerrp:

RF only for me!

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the PCLinuxOS guys posted a head-to-head shootout link on their website where they're compared against two other distros... and come in third

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Twiggy2cents:

iamlindoro, I mean a somewhat user friendly. Not a hold your hand type thing but a step on. I want to try something new

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents: Well, PCLinuxOS is a fringe distro-- so you won't have a lot of community, very good package support, etc.

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Twiggy2cents:

okay thank you

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iamlindoro:

If *you* are extremely competent, any distro will work-- if you need user friendly, then it is probably best to stick with something with money behind it-- Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.

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Twiggy2cents:

well I guess what I am saying is what do you reccomend? What works best for you?

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iamlindoro:

If you don't like Ubuntu, I would recommend trying Fedora, personally

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iamlindoro:

or, since gbee just arrived, Mandriva ;)

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iamlindoro:

Fedora is backed by Red Hat, who probably put more code into core linux than anyone, and what I've seen lately I've liked

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iamlindoro:

Have not tried Mandriva in a few releases but used to be impressed with them too

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wagnerrp:

speaking of gbee... do you know if the BadContent page can filter off username?

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gbee:

I don't know, at least until we try it

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wagnerrp:

just wondering, since it shows up as the first line of content in the spam monitor

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wagnerrp:

wondering from the standpoint of using that to implement a valid email requirement

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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gbee:

easier IMHO to bring my registration plugin upto date and install that

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gbee:

well s/easier/nicer/

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iamlindoro:

Which is all likely moot if we drop trac anyway

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iamlindoro:

Not that I am in any hurry to go to git *or* drop trac, but appear to be in the minority

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gbee:

well I think we've more important things to worry about than switching to a new versioning or ticket system, I fear Git is going to cause me a lot of grief

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, I wonder about the same thing. and agree on the first sentence.

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mr_claus:

hi, i try to scan with my dvb-c card with "scan -f /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -c" and get "filter timeout pid xxxx; dumping lists (0 services)", how i can scan dvb-c?

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PMantis:

HI guys, If I "find and record one showing of this title" a day in a schedule for a show, and I have 2 analog tuners and 2 digital tuners, can I prioritize based on tuner, so it prefers to record OTA?

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wagnerrp:

define the digital tuners first

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wagnerrp:

the recordings will use the first available tuner

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mr_claus:

ahh, initial-tuning-data-file helps

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wagnerrp:

mr_claus: mythtv has its own internal scanner, the channels.conf import is not well supported

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: i tried with mythtv first, it didn't work, so i tried on console to check if channels available, i will continue with mythtv now

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: does mythtv need informations which cable provider i use?

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wagnerrp:

for the channel scanner? no

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wagnerrp:

but your xmltv provider will likely need it to provide the proper guide data

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i didnt think xbmc supported tuner cards

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: ?

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iamlindoro:

They *do* support HDHomeRuns, but wondering what you are referring to?

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wagnerrp:

revenge of the sith has only been released on DVD

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wagnerrp:

the only HD version was broadcast

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iamlindoro:

ah, heh

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iamlindoro:

well... could theoretically assume that it was recorded in Myth and imported, but...

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wagnerrp:

are there still valid reasons to run firefox as mythtv's browser?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Did you read the link in sphery's post to that ticket?

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iamlindoro:

Daniel states that what the reporter wants is not supported

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iamlindoro:

it renders the ticket a FRWOP

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iamlindoro:

ie, the user wants cross source EIT to do something it isn't intended to do

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Beirdo:

sigh.

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Beirdo:

yeah, I read it

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Beirdo:

and the fact is, you read the bug report, what the user wants is to have EIT working on two cards

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Beirdo:

can you tell me how that really isn't a bug?

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iamlindoro:

It isn't a bug because the user is trying to use a feature for a function it's not designed for-- any expansion of that feature is a FRWOP

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wagnerrp:

so revise the description to indicate the actual bug, that the second card is not used for EIT pull on channels on the second source

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Beirdo:

that's what the description says

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Beirdo:

so maybe he turned on cross source EIT when it's not the right feature to do what he wants, so what?

[17:12:36]

Beirdo:

he has two cards in, EIT is working on the first, not the second

[17:12:56]

wagnerrp:

basically, the whole discussion about cross-source is irrelevant

[17:12:57]

Beirdo:

unless the documentation states that is how it is supposed to work, that is a bug

[17:13:15]

Beirdo:

exactly, the cross-source is a red herring. Read between the lines :)

[17:13:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Comments?

[17:13:40]

iamlindoro:

also, this discussion should have taken place *before* reversing ticket decisions

[17:13:47]

iamlindoro:

and deleting comments by myth devs on tickets

[17:14:10]

iamlindoro:

minimally stuarta should have been consulted

[17:14:12]

Beirdo:

I deleted only a snarky comment and the silly comment that prompted it

[17:14:50]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Sorry, but the snarky comment was warranted. If you're going to go around deleting my comments, snarky or no, then we're going to have a problem

[17:15:22]

iamlindoro:

I may not always agree with you, but I don't go reversing your decisions on anything without consulting you/the relevant people

[17:15:27]

Beirdo:

somebody posted something marginally related, but not even part of the bug, you could have just deleted it or said "That is irrelevant, and please read the ticket howto"

[17:15:39]

Beirdo:

fine, whatever, sorry, chalk it up to Monday morning

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iamlindoro:

I'm sorry too-- It's just frustrating when tickets get neglected for months and years, and all one gets for finally handling them is complaints-- bad enough when they come from users, more frustrating when it's same team

[17:17:28]

Beirdo:

Hey, one possible mistake out of the hundreds is pretty dang good :)

[17:17:28]

iamlindoro:

Ticket should have been a red flag to the relevant people five months ago-- there was also associated discussion about it in 3mythtv at that time IIRc, which is what prompted Mike's update of the ticket

[17:17:35]

iamlindoro:

er #mythtv

[17:18:04]

iamlindoro:

At that time, as I recall it, it was basically called a FRWOP, and Mike left the opening for stuarta to do what he wnated with it

[17:18:17]

iamlindoro:

five months later I just decided that if he wanted to do something about it, he would have

[17:18:52]

Beirdo:

Many tickets need to be sanitized over time, BTW

[17:19:28]

Beirdo:

i.e. useless cruft trimmed out, etc.

[17:19:52]

Beirdo:

there's no reason we should care years from now about things that are unrelated to the ticket itself

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iamlindoro:

That's fine-- but honestly, I'm unlikely to be a huge fan of my comments being removed no matter what they are-- if you don't like something I say, take it up with me, don't undo my decision

[17:20:35]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, sorry for being sensitive about it

[17:20:44]

Beirdo:

tis OK, I do understand

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Beirdo:

sorry for doing something pre-coffee :)

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sphery:

Beirdo / iamlindoro : I have no idea what the original reporter meant. Perhaps it would be useful to ask. I seriously doubt that if EIT only worked on the first source, though, that none of the devs would notice. I'm guessing if that's what he was reporting, he's disabled EIT on either the 2nd video source or the capture cards used by the second video source or something.

[17:33:32]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'm replying to his -dev email now

[17:33:51]

sphery:

cool, we need a useful description for it to be a useful ticket

[17:35:19]

iamlindoro:

Probably worth figuring out the import method of all channels and maybe even getting a dump of the relevant tables

[17:35:45]

iamlindoro:

Since it could very well be "From satellite 2 I imported from channels.conf...."

[17:35:47]

Beirdo:

yup. read my reply and see if I covered it well enough to start? :)

[17:35:53]

sphery:

in truth, though, I /think/ enabling cross-source EIT would actually prevent the channels on the 2nd source from getting EIT data--it would stuff the data into the channels on the first source and never try to put them on the 2nd source

[17:36:05]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:36:17]

sphery:

whether the data was read from the first or 2nd source

[17:36:17]

Beirdo:

it could be he turned on the wrong thing and borked it

[17:36:42]

iamlindoro:

That said, if he did... we could use it as a learning experience to make sure we prevent such a thing in the rewrite

[17:36:52]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, sounds like a good reply

[17:36:57]

iamlindoro:

I think that the sanity checking for mythtv-setup almost merits a section of its own for the rewrite

[17:37:18]

sphery:

yeah, sounds like cross-source EIT should only be enable-able on DVB-S

[17:37:25]

Beirdo:

if he's actively around to work with stuarta on it, it might get understood and maybe even fixed :)

[17:37:40]

Beirdo:

if it's a fire and forget bug... meh. wontfix :)

[17:40:33]

Beirdo:

ugh, Mondays are evil

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wagnerrp:

is the 7515 re-open actually the same issue?

[17:51:10]

wagnerrp:

the original was for srt files, the re-open is for sub files

[17:51:23]

Beirdo:

oh oh. I have Offspring running through my head.

[17:51:25]

Beirdo:

not good

[17:51:33]

wagnerrp:

rendered versus bitmapped in two completely different formats

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sphery:

wagnerrp: It's called recycling... Just because the box was used to ship you a TV doesn't mean you can't reuse it to ship a bluetooth headset RMA back to the manufacturer.

[17:53:43]

sphery:

(just takes a /lot/ of padding)

[17:53:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:54:00]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The associated file is in srt format, and we check for that suffix

[17:54:09]

iamlindoro:

Also, Mark was able to use his sample and make it work fine

[17:55:26]

iamlindoro:

(at least, as I read it)

[17:55:44]

wagnerrp:

well the file is text, but its still not an srt

[17:55:52]

Beirdo:

fun times

[17:55:58]

sphery:

So, I'm generally pretty good at keeping up with MythTV stuff, but I have 72 unread tickets and 39 unread commits. I really feal sorry for those devs who were on vacation the last couple weeks or whatever.

[17:56:05]

wagnerrp:

dont know if the code used for both is the same

[17:56:26]

ke^:

only problem that appears for me is storage of all this recycleable material. Because in my eyes everything is recycleable

[17:56:26]

Beirdo:

I'd rather see people open a new ticket rather than reopen it unless it's the same reporter with the SAME issue not actually fixed

[17:56:27]

iamlindoro:

All the supported text subtitle types are provided by the xine_spudemux import

[17:56:29]

ke^:

:D

[17:56:35]

Beirdo:

but maybe that's just me

[17:56:39]

wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

oh oh.

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Beirdo:

janne's tickets should all be janne, not janneg, right?

[17:57:43]

Beirdo:

I think we missed one :)

[17:57:50]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Because now they're wondering why I hate them? ;)

[17:57:54]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: right

[17:58:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah

[17:58:01]

Beirdo:

#8201 is still at janneg

[17:58:11]

wagnerrp:

looks like MicroDVD format

[17:58:26]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: was reassigned 39 hours ago

[17:58:28]

iamlindoro:

so post triage

[17:58:40]

Beirdo:

ah :)

[17:58:41]

iamlindoro:

(I fixed all the ones that existed at that time)

[17:59:13]

Beirdo:

looks like tralph got confused which janne to send it to :)

[17:59:36]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, so now the question is, do I buy a receiver that supports 3D passthrough

[17:59:49]

Beirdo:

would you like me to fix it, or would you like the honors?

[17:59:53]

iamlindoro:

KNowing that it will at least be some time, if ever, before I go 3D on the projector at home

[17:59:56]

sphery:

iamlindoro: don't feed the monster

[17:59:59]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: you found it, go for it :)

[18:00:20]

Beirdo:

done

[18:00:40]

Beirdo:

poor guy has 40 tickets

[18:00:54]

wagnerrp:

are receivers actually '3d passthrough'? or just 'hdmi 1.4'?

[18:01:03]

wagnerrp:

i mean its all a function of bandwidth isnt it?

[18:01:06]

iamlindoro:

the latter

[18:01:11]

iamlindoro:

but the former is the marketing

[18:01:18]

wagnerrp:

right...

[18:02:02]

sphery:

is bandwidth really higher for that? I thought they reduced resolution and then sent 2 smaller pictures (either above/below or side-by-side)

[18:02:20]

wagnerrp:

nah, two full 1920x1080@60 frames

[18:02:24]

Beirdo:

sphery: let me know later on if you want a hand with some of those .pl file fixes

[18:02:50]

Beirdo:

and #7714... mythpreviewgen does it too

[18:03:25]

wagnerrp:

actually, 1.3 and 1.4 are the same bandwidth, 8Gbps

[18:03:48]

Beirdo:

hah

[18:03:52]

wagnerrp:

i suppose 1.4 was more protocol changes than link changes

[18:04:01]

Beirdo:

#8564... that annoyed the crap outta me last night :)

[18:04:31]

Beirdo:

a recording was missing ONE commflag

[18:04:43]

Beirdo:

so I had to regenerate it all by hand in the editor

[18:05:22]

Beirdo:

grumble grumble :)

[18:05:44]

Beirdo:

it would keep joining with the next cut section

[18:06:33]

Beirdo:

sphery: if you'd like a hand testing that one, let me know :0

[18:07:49]

sphery:

Beirdo: the orphan/rebuilddatabase scripts?

[18:08:09]

sphery:

my plan is to kill them both--I want to have all that functionality in backend/frontend (and trying to finish that by the freeze)

[18:08:15]

Beirdo:

yeah, if you need a hand later on, let me know. The other is the cutlist editor being a PITA

[18:08:22]

Beirdo:

OK

[18:08:32]

sphery:

cutlist editor is what I'm doing first--that one is higher priority

[18:08:38]

Beirdo:

danke :)

[18:08:56]

Beirdo:

I would be a willing tester for the cutlist should you need a second pair of eyes on it

[18:09:00]

sphery:

I just keep wavering in my motivation (keep thinking I'll do it, then people will say, "But it's different," and I'll have to revert it and all the work would be a waste)

[18:09:11]

sphery:

that for the cutlist editor part

[18:09:29]

Beirdo:

well, the cutlist editor right now is a bit absurd

[18:09:40]

sphery:

I appreciate the offer on the cutlist editor--I planned to force iamlindoro to test it, now I have 2 guinea pigs

[18:09:41]

Beirdo:

so anything we can do to make it more useful would be good :)

[18:09:55]

Beirdo:

:) No problem

[18:10:10]

Beirdo:

I'm building/rebuilding my front and backend all the time anyways

[18:10:13]

sphery:

yeah, it's unusable--though worst case scenario, we could apply jim's patch, go back to the old, allow users to create broken cutlists, and all the mess that made

[18:10:36]

Beirdo:

oh, it's usable, but really really annoyingly usable :)

[18:10:55]

sphery:

heh, ok, yeah--in that you have to go in order from first to last to edit :)

[18:10:59]

sphery:

(or maybe last to first)

[18:11:13]

Beirdo:

something like that, and manually scan

[18:11:18]

sphery:

but not the way I work (since I import flaglists--which throws it all off)

[18:11:38]

sphery:

if there's an extra or a missing one, you lose the rest of the cutlist

[18:11:40]

Beirdo:

yeah, me too. If it flags close to what you want to cut, you are good

[18:11:45]

Beirdo:

if it's off.. boom.

[18:11:45]

sphery:

exactly

[18:12:19]

sphery:

I've actually changed the design a couple of times based on a) testing and seeing issues with the original plan and b) discussion with iamlindoro

[18:12:37]

sphery:

anyway, if I can get through all these e-mails, I plan to work on it some today :)

[18:12:44]

Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

ooh, Intervention scheduled for 5pm.

[18:13:14]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro suggested it as a good test case for commflag fun

[18:13:33]

Beirdo:

oh for god's sakes.

[18:13:45]

Beirdo:

the backend is recording... from 5pm to 11:01pm

[18:13:51]

wagnerrp:

if SecurityPin is set to 0000, does that mean allow everything?

[18:13:53]

sphery:

the plan for the perl scripts is to kill both of them... mythbackend will do a daily scan of all recordings directories and add in all "unidentified" videos it finds. mythfrontend and MythXML will allow users to "Scan now". That will handle the orphaned files

[18:13:57]

wagnerrp:

i thought that just meant allow 0000

[18:14:04]

Beirdo:

so if I want to restart the backend, I have to do it between 10:00 and 10:01pm

[18:14:10]

Beirdo:

or wait until 11:01pm

[18:14:36]

Beirdo:

sphery: that sounds good

[18:15:08]

sphery:

for the orphaned metadata, we can't do anything automatically (as some storage may not be "online" when we scan), so instead, we'll allow the user to find missing files (using mythfrontend or mythxml) and then Delete all (without individual prompts if desired) or just use the info to find the files

[18:15:15]

wagnerrp:

looks like its 'allow everything'

[18:15:44]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: not sure, but I thought it was allow all

[18:16:01]

sphery:

also, will try my best to make MythTV recognize moved files (i.e. was on hosta, but got moved to hostb or whatever) or lost metadata where we still have some info (i.e. in oldrecorded) and auto-populate the metadata based on that

[18:16:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: allow all

[18:16:26]

Beirdo:

is there a good way to restore/import from an old setup?

[18:16:26]

sphery:

"" is allow none

[18:16:42]

sphery:

4392 is allow just 4392

[18:16:43]

Beirdo:

i.e. get all my old recordings (and I do mean OLD) :)

[18:16:50]

sphery:

0001 is allow just 0001

[18:16:51]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i had always thought 0000 was just a default everything would try first

[18:17:23]

sphery:

1234 is the combination on my luggage

[18:17:24]

Beirdo:

hmmm, channel listings will be nonexistant, perhaps import into mythvideo with metadata from recorded in the old db dump?

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Beirdo:

OMG, Neil Diamond?! NEXT!

[18:18:22]

sphery:

Beirdo: not currently--best bet is mythvideo

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Beirdo:

it's fun playing stuff off the iPod via file access

[18:18:42]

gbee:

wagnerrp: I've enabled too more IP blacklists and the bayes filter, might help, bayes will probably need additional training especially 'ham'

[18:18:50]

sphery:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl will put corrupt/invalid data into the DB (it's missing required data and it puts bad data in some fields)

[18:19:09]

sphery:

it will cause problems--at least one of the open tickets we have is due to the invalid data from it

[18:19:23]

wagnerrp:

gbee: referring to stuff from this morning (your early afternoon)?

[18:19:24]

Beirdo:

sphery: OK.

[18:19:31]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7526 I think

[18:20:24]

Beirdo:

oh fun

[18:20:39]

wagnerrp:

oh, talking about stuff other than the BadContent page

[18:20:50]

gbee:

s/too/two/

[18:21:25]

sphery:

wagnerrp: BadContent page? UPnP actually detects reality TV?

[18:21:50]

sphery:

oh, you're talking about the spammers... sorry, got lost in the conversations

[18:22:05]

wagnerrp:

yeah, careful there... only about four of them going on

[18:22:23]

gbee:

no need to manually feed it spam anymore, it's now self aware :)

[18:22:33]

kormoc:

SKYNET!

[18:22:43]

sphery:

heh

[18:23:18]

sphery:

gbee: regarding translations, perhaps we need an en_gb and an en_gbee translation

[18:23:24]

Beirdo:

oooh, Seattle music

[18:23:36]

sphery:

though I think yours sounds more like what the en_gb should be

[18:23:46]

Beirdo:

Nirvana – Heart-Shaped Box

[18:24:34]

kormoc:

sphery, en_Queen's!

[18:24:47]

wagnerrp:

i see your heart-shaped box, and raise you some territorial pissing

[18:24:53]

Beirdo:

hhee. en_US_NY_Queens?

[18:25:06]

kormoc:

Polly want a cracker?

[18:25:29]

Beirdo:

well, this essentially ends up being random play, so I have no idea what's next, makes for some interesting segues

[18:25:41]

gbee:

kormoc: you should get off her first

[18:26:05]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:26:14]

** wagnerrp broke trac **

[18:26:30]

kormoc:

it look at you oddly?

[18:26:34]

Beirdo:

!trout wagnerrp

[18:26:34]

** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[18:26:36]

sphery:

is trac dead?

[18:26:42]

sphery:

or just super slow?

[18:26:48]

wagnerrp:

doornail

[18:26:51]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, what did you do?

[18:27:25]

wagnerrp:

opened the Bayesian filtering page to watch it fill itself on spam

[18:27:27]

sphery:

wagnerrp: what's the official criteria for determining deadedness? No response in <X> <time>?

[18:27:38]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:27:42]

wagnerrp:

coming up on like 4 minutes now, no response

[18:27:48]

Beirdo:

Oooh, feature request for mythmusic

[18:28:00]

sphery:

yeah, and I think after 3 minutes without oxygen, we can call it dead

[18:28:06]

Beirdo:

have a "flag this song as being a glitchy POS"

[18:28:08]

sphery:

works for me

[18:28:25]

wagnerrp:

sphery: 3? people have held their breath for like 12

[18:28:40]

gbee:

hmm, might have to try disabling those new filters and see if it corrects itself

[18:28:40]

Beirdo:

then I can listen to music, collect a list of songs to rerip :)

[18:29:17]

wagnerrp:

yes, songs to 'rerip'

[18:29:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: people or zombies? ...

[18:29:31]

wagnerrp:

people

[18:29:33]

Beirdo:

hehe, I DO have CDs for nearly every song I have.

[18:29:43]

wagnerrp:

still living and completely conscious afterwards

[18:29:45]

Beirdo:

and if i care enough to keep the song, I'll buy the CD and rerip :)

[18:30:11]

Beirdo:

if not, it's a list of songs to rm :)

[18:30:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I'm just going with the survival rule of 3s... IANAD

[18:30:35]

wagnerrp:

D?

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sphery:

doctor :)

[18:30:43]

Beirdo:

I have some seriously bad rips i did back in the days when MP3 was brand new and CDROMs sucked

[18:30:50]

wagnerrp:

was thinking maybe 'diver'

[18:30:57]

sphery:

nor that

[18:30:58]

Beirdo:

or dumb***

[18:31:06]

sphery:

at least not a "free diver"

[18:31:29]

sphery:

I prefer expensive diving with a scuba tank

[18:31:54]

jams:

that is a great idea. I have several mp3's that need to be redone because of skipping.

[18:32:06]

gbee:

I'm still finding 128 CBR rips in my collection even though I thought I'd re-ripped everything a couple of years ago

[18:32:32]

Beirdo:

don't think paulh needs more feature requests right now, but a "flag for future rerip" would be a nice thing

[18:32:43]

sphery:

btw, thanks to whomever resurrected Trac

[18:33:23]

jams:

or just a flag saying this track needs attention. re-rip or re-do meta data

[18:33:28]

Beirdo:

yeah

[18:33:51]

Beirdo:

saves having a pad of paper and a pen and writing em all down

[18:33:52]

jams:

i have lots of mp3's that got messed up because of musicbrainz

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jams:

Lots more that musicbrainz fixed =)

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sphery:

I just switched my Mom to using MusicBrainz

[18:34:57]

Beirdo:

ummm #8783 is assigned to "anonymous"?

[18:35:00]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt let you revise the changes before committing them?

[18:35:41]

Beirdo:

I need to do a round of consolidation and retagging in my music library which is currently in 4 or 5 chunks

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gbee:

Beirdo: that's the default now for all tickets that were previously assigned to Isaac, it denotes tickets that have yet to be triaged

[18:36:33]

Beirdo:

well, iamlindoro triaged em all

[18:36:36]

gbee:

if someone wants to make themselves the default assignee for the relevant components then go for it

[18:36:38]

sphery:

wow, persistent spammers

[18:36:41]

sphery:

and annoying

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Beirdo:

ooooh, I see, very new

[18:36:58]

Beirdo:

I don't mind looking at that one

[18:37:05]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no kidding... they just keep on coming

[18:37:07]

wagnerrp:

couple every hour

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sphery:

wow

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** Beirdo trouts Trac **

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wagnerrp:

mostly for meds, some insurance, some porn

[18:38:00]

Beirdo:

why can't I assign a ticket that's in infoneeded_new?!

[18:38:06]

wagnerrp:

the insurance bit is fairly recent

[18:38:21]

sphery:

Beirdo: workflow... annoying isn't it

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gbee:

Beirdo: the workflow is a little busted, I should really fix that

[18:38:40]

gbee:

the workflow is editable, but only by those with root on the server

[18:38:43]

Beirdo:

heh, well, I'm gonna make a minor mess of this ticket.

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roflsaur:

can i use mythtv's osx-packager.pl script to create universal binaries on a mac?

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Beirdo:

!trout Trac stop hanging

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** MythLogBot slaps Trac with a stop hanging trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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sphery:

FWIW, I agree with gbee about the channels.conf crutch

[18:40:31]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: cutting is emo, whats hanging? redneck?

[18:40:40]

iamlindoro:

Carradine

[18:40:42]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:40:53]

Beirdo:

INXS lead singer...

[18:40:56]

wagnerrp:

hey now, he didnt /mean/ to hang himself

[18:40:57]

sphery:

when workarounds become standard practice, we can't fix the proper approach

[18:41:39]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: #8783... if he doesn't give unified diffs, I'll slowly work through it by hand

[18:41:43]

Beirdo:

this time :)

[18:42:08]

gbee:

if the bayes filter is too buggy then I'll enable the captcha instead

[18:42:28]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I worry that if he's changing definitions of the widgets themselves, that where it makes something look okay one place, he will break it in another

[18:42:28]

Beirdo:

make em use a retinal scan

[18:42:38]

roflsaur:

i'm having a difficult time getting firewire recording on my mac, and i've read that running it with rosetta would fix the problem. however, i need to modify the source, so i need to compile it myself. but it appears i need the universal binaries and i'm not sure how to do compile it that way

[18:42:50]

Beirdo:

yeah, it's likely it will get partially rejected in the process

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roflsaur:

anyone have any tips?

[18:43:07]

iamlindoro:

roflsaur: There is a patch in trac for firewire recording on Intel Macs, is that the one you intend to apply?

[18:43:17]

iamlindoro:

Shouldn't need to be run in Rosetta

[18:43:31]

iamlindoro:

And, in fact, that's more likely to break matters

[18:43:49]

roflsaur:

iamlindoro: my cable box is DCX-3200, which currently isn't in the list of 'supported' devices

[18:43:55]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: oooh, since you're here... is there a way to fix the PIP in the guide? If I have a 4:3 source, it doesn't seem to maintain the aspect ratio

[18:44:03]

roflsaur:

although i've read a thread that someone patched the source and it worked

[18:44:18]

Beirdo:

not sure if that's just a theme missing KeepAspectRatio (or the like), or a code issue

[18:44:19]

roflsaur:

so i tried that, compiled it, but mythtv can't acquire a lam lock

[18:44:30]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Outside of writing the MythUI video widget, no-- the imagetype hack that is currently used can't/doesn't preserve aspect

[18:44:44]

iamlindoro:

roflsaur: Have you successfully capture firewire output with anything else?

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Beirdo:

OK, I guess I should open a ticket :(

[18:45:03]

roflsaur:

iamlindoro: i've done it in linux with this same box

[18:45:06]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Don't think anyone would want to work on the hack versus fixing it properly

[18:45:18]

roflsaur:

iamlindoro: i haven't tried any other programs on the mac, though

[18:45:30]

Beirdo:

true, but having a ticket to remind us to fix it properly might be useful

[18:45:32]

iamlindoro:

roflsaur: Mac OS X backend isn't really a supported configuration, so it's likely down to the OS X firewire stack being deficient in some way

[18:45:35]

Beirdo:

a task ticket :)

[18:45:37]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: we have one

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Beirdo:

oh, NVM then :(

[18:45:45]

Beirdo:

:) even

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roflsaur:

iamlindoro: the mythtv on macosx wiki page mentions that

[18:46:17]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5763

[18:46:19]

roflsaur:

iamlindoro: it says running it in rosetta corrects the firewire issue

[18:46:27]

roflsaur:

iamlindoro: hence my dilemma

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kormoc:

I can't say that I've heard of anyone compiling for anything other then intel on OS X

[18:47:06]

kormoc:

we're not PPC safe code

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roflsaur:

kormoc: there are weekly builds of universal packages available

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roflsaur:

so someone's doing it

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roflsaur:

unfortunately i need to patch the source

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kormoc:

so why aren't you using those if they're avaiable?

[18:47:42]

kormoc:

welp, you know who to contact then

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: perfect.

[18:48:09]

roflsaur:

kormoc: yeah, i'll try them directly next. i thought i'd ask here first because irc has better response time usually :)

[18:48:18]

Beirdo:

put a comment in reminding us to maintain aspect ratio when the time comes.

[18:50:31]

xris:

iamlindoro: so how does one run your new jamu replacement?

[18:50:56]

wagnerrp:

through the 'm' menu

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xris:

wagnerrp: oh, it's in the UI.. in mythvideo?

[18:51:12]

kormoc:

yeah

[18:51:13]

wagnerrp:

yes

[18:51:16]

xris:

cool.

[18:51:16]

iamlindoro:

xris: Well, it's not totally a replacement, but by default, adding new videos in mythvideo automatically starts the batch metadata grab

[18:51:27]

iamlindoro:

Can also be invoked from the menu, yeah

[18:51:39]

wagnerrp:

it only does mythvideo, it doesnt replace jamu's recorded artwork grabber

[18:51:55]

xris:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

right

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xris:

cool.

[18:52:08]

iamlindoro:

though once sphery gets the recordedfil changes in, that part should come fairly quickly

[18:52:11]

iamlindoro:

likely .25 though

[18:52:16]

xris:

yeah.

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Beirdo:

very nice

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'll be allowed to do those for 0.25? :)

[18:52:48]

sphery:

it would make a lot of things easier for a lot of parts of myth

[18:52:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Hehe

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xris:

sphery: steering committee should really meet to figure out 0.25 plans.

[18:53:17]

sphery:

yeah, would be nice to have official stuff so we can plan our time usage more effectively

[18:53:36]

** xris switches channels **

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wagnerrp:

xris: that might be a bit expensive

[18:53:55]

Beirdo:

they can virtually meet :)

[18:54:28]

xris:

wagnerrp: "meet" in irc?

[18:54:31]

sphery:

What do you do with Webex?

[18:54:40]

sphery:

(world's most annoying ad)

[18:54:48]

iamlindoro:

sphery: weet

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wagnerrp:

'cyber'?

[18:55:13]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, hadn't heard of that

[18:55:20]

sphery:

but apropos

[18:56:05]

wagnerrp:

completely unrelated... when you pronounce irc, its I-R-C, right?

[18:56:49]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i heard one of my friends refer to it as `erk`... 'erk? WTF are you talking about??'

[18:57:14]

iamlindoro:

Sound you make while being Carradined

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, he's on crack, it's 'eyerk'

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Beirdo:

ERK!

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wagnerrp:

that one deserves some kind of medal....

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high-rez:

*yawn*

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, someone on the -users list having the same problem you had with mythvideo video playback failing (though he doesn't say if he's on trunk)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I got that fixed with a complete system restart-- So I assumed it was me

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sphery:

yeah, just wondering how someone else could have the same heisen-issue

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skd5aner:

holy ticket triage batman! -commits list is LONG

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

there he is

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Beirdo:

you're gonna enjoy the recent activity :)

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wagnerrp:

Aner... we were missing that 'a'

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skd5aner:

Yea, I leverage browser history to see what I've seen...

[20:16:59]

skd5aner:

usually, lots of purple, very little blue... open it up after about 5 days, BLUE LINKS GALORE!

[20:17:13]

PMantis:

Does anyone know what table stores the commercial skip data?

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wagnerrp:

recordedmarkup

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PMantis:

wagnerrp, Thank you

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wagnerrp:

what language are you working in?

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PMantis:

Actually, I'm importing data from an old installation.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: "aner", talkin to me?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, we were talking about you last night

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wagnerrp:

about the 'fun time' you were going to have when you got back

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: well, you'll see plenty of changes for the change log :) heh.

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wagnerrp:

but none of us actually knew what your name was

[20:18:49]

wagnerrp:

youre 'sk<tab>' to everyone around here

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skd5aner:

ha

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skd5aner:

lol

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skd5aner:

yea, makes sense

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wagnerrp:

the inability to pronounce your name is probably a significant cause of that

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skd5aner:

Had this nomiker for uh... ever

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skd5aner:

91'ish I would assume

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skd5aner:

MAN... that really makes me feel old

[20:21:05]

skd5aner:

Maybe I'll eventually get around to changing it

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wagnerrp:

no need to change it

[20:21:38]

wagnerrp:

we just couldnt figure out the exact spelling to make '!seen' work

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skd5aner:

heh

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btwe:

Hi, s.b. here who can help me building mtyhtv-0.23? I would like to build mythtv-backend on my server. Is there a way to compile this package alone and without X11 / QT? I really do not like have QT/X11 dev libs installed on my server.

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skd5aner:

yea, I've been considering dumping it for a long time... but momentum and no need has kept it around

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skd5aner:

s/no need/no need to change

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Beirdo:

btwe: no

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Beirdo:

the backend *requires* Qt

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wagnerrp:

btwe: QT is a development toolkit, not just a simple UI widget

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wagnerrp:

QT is intertwined in everything mythtv does

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Beirdo:

for better or worse, we are married to Qt

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gbee:

for better, no question

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wagnerrp:

why are you concerned about having those libraries on your backend?

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Beirdo:

and hopefully that marriage works better than mine did

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wagnerrp:

surely the hundreds of GB (TB?) of recordings are more of an issue than the few dozen MB of libraries

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gbee:

I'm in love with QT, it's still the woman of my dreams*

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gbee:

*well obviously that's a metaphor

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skd5aner:

I know the "scheduled" date for a RC is Sept 1. Can folks give me a heads up before any official announcements go out? I'd like to have a few days to do some house cleaning activities on the changelog before it gets inevitably referenced with a pre-release

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btwe:

Beirdo: thx :) for my understanding, server apps do not need to have a GUI.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: just keep an eye on the two channels

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wagnerrp:

youll see a flurry of activity as it grows near

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skd5aner:

yup, I will try

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wagnerrp:

there may be a delay, but that has not yet been decided

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Beirdo:

btwe: Qt != UI

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wagnerrp:

btwe: the configuration tool for mythbackend requires X11

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wagnerrp:

meaning you must have at least the X11 libs installed to allow you to forward it to a remote server

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btwe:

Beirdo, wagnerrp: ah good, then I will install these dev libs too. I do not like this idea of installing arbitrary packages, because my server is in production for LAN services (mail/dns/dhcp) and I avoid as far as possible to change the setup

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btwe:

Beirdo: for me QT is an UI :) Thats what it is used for mythtv, too, isnt it?

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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wagnerrp:

its also used for the UI

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wagnerrp:

but its a development toolkit

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Beirdo:

it's UI + many many libraries for other things

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Beirdo:

it's an integral part of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

event loop, string handling, database access, all sorts of crap

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: UPnP/DLNA q for you...

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skd5aner:

is DLNA a spec built on top of UPnP?

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wagnerrp:

consider it a subset of the UPNP AV spec

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iamlindoro:

Oh, PS, I found a uPnP testing tool last night

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skd5aner:

My new android phone has a built in app, which apparently scans any network it's attached to and finds DLNA stores, it apparently is finding myth's upnp output

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iamlindoro:

but running it in mono, it didn't even see mythbackend, so there's some fundamental stuff wrong or it only works properly in windows

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skd5aner:

I can't seem to find it within the app itself, but it's constantly alerting me that's it's found content on the network

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skd5aner:

actually, there are apparently 2 built in apps "Media Share" which discovers, and "DLNA" which is a bit easier to navigate... I can see the list of media from myth in DLNA, but if I try to playback MPEG2 or h264 content, neither plays

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skd5aner:

but, I don't really care if it does or not – just was curious

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elmojo:

Beirdo: MPEG-TS/PS only give 33-bits for pts/dts timestamps and it uses a 90 khz tick so rollover to zero occurs every ~26.5 hours

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Elv13:

Hi, I switched my /var/lib/mythtv/videos folder from CIFS to NFS (on the backend) and now it dows not show any movies anymore, pictures and music are fine, I reloaded the video section from the frontend menu

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Elv13:

does I need special permissions or something?

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PMantis:

Elv13, It's likely that the mythtv user doesn't have permissions to read the files.

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guysoft22:

wagnerrp, sorry to noodge, but is there a way to reopen this bug? His solution does not work, detailed in the comment: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8770

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Elv13:

PMantis: everything is chmod 666

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Elv13:

oh, wait, the mount itseld was 755

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PMantis:

The best way to test this it to: su – mythtv , then try to 'touch' the file AS the mythtv user.

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wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase does nothing for EIT scanning

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wagnerrp:

any user can re-open a ticket so long as its not locked

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wagnerrp:

i know next to nothing about EIT, so im not going to touch it

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wagnerrp:

you can always try to ping stuarta directly in the dev channel

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guysoft22:

wagnerrp, they always ,kick me back here, i didn't want to be out of line, but ok

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wagnerrp:

either that, or on the -dev mailing list

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wagnerrp:

thats the proper place for discussion of tickets

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guysoft22:

wagnerrp, right, did so

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gbee:

guysoft22: the problem was that your ticket was hi-jacked by another user with a different problem and that confused things

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guysoft22:

gbee, ok, so how do i make that clear?

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gbee:

although it doesn't seem you waited long enough when trying without 'cross source eit' enabled, it takes more than six minutes to populate, especially if all your EIT data is broadcast on a select multiplex or channel

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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guysoft22:

gbee, i left it on for a hour before.. its not populating due to something else

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Beirdo:

mattwj2002: you aren't mattpyne, are ya? :)

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mattwj2002:

nope

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Beirdo:

dang. thought I'd ask

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mattwj2002:

how I set $PATH permanently?

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wagnerrp:

what shell are you using?

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mattwj2002:

bash

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wagnerrp:

then set it in your ~/.bashrc file

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

I don't see it

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mattwj2002:

I think it might be in another file

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mattwj2002:

:-s

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wagnerrp:

that file may simply not exist

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

I'll ask in #ubuntu real quick

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gbutters:

unable to change channels on HDPVR when watching live tv.

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gbutters:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/smn3QMRq

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abqjp:

gbutters: I had the same thing happen to me a few weeks ago. Somehow the frequency column in the channel table had gotten corrupted. No idea how. Fixed it by setting that column to be the same as the channel for that sourceid.

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gbutters:

abqjp: thanks that was it

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abqjp:

Your welcome. Took me a couple of hours to figure it out at the time.

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