Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 7th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

always pal

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larrikin:

see bug 7374, this sounds like me

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kormoc:

larrikin, check the frontend output? And the material is local to the FE?

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larrikin:

actually I'm not having any problems with direction, just pausing, so #7374 is irrelevant sorry..

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larrikin:

kormoc: you mean log file I take it ?

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larrikin:

material is local

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kormoc:

output... logfile... it's all the same

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kormoc:

and you're not IO or CPU bound?

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larrikin:

I'd thought it might be related to harddisk transfer speed / driver issues, but since going from PATA to 10krpm WD velociraptors, no difference

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larrikin:

lots of 'NVP(c): prebuffering pause' appearing in the log at a high rate whilst its paused..

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kormoc:

is your cpu usage maxed?

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larrikin:

in 0.22-fixes and probably earlier it would recover okay, but now in 0.23 it's often exiting back to the menu with a popup saying '..buffering failed too many times'

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larrikin:

I'm on a pentium-m 760, 'top' reports everything to be basically idle

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kormoc:

while seeking fast?

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larrikin:

while paused during the seek, yes

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larrikin:

when I say 'paused' I mean not under my instruction but the behaviour of the bug

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larrikin:

there's an occasional 'Timed out waiting for free video buffers'

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larrikin:

I'm either playing back fresh MPEG-TS recently recorded or stuff thats been TC'd -> MPEG-PS

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larrikin:

I'd say its all related to the lack of Xv in my setup, so I'll just hope that the Intel kernel guys get the KMS stuff sorted for my platform..

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larrikin:

..I must have said the wrong thing, mm next time I won't mention the war ..

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yahoo... The MythWeb FlowPlayer works fine on Android 2.2 and Flash 10.1 ... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Now I just need a processor that's fast enough to transcode HD h.264 to flash in real-time... DOH! ;-)

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Captain_Murdoch:

J-e-f-f-A, since it's an Android device, don't you mean "Google... The MythWeb FlowPlayer....."

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J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: Hehehe... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: Full-screen doesn't work like it does on a pc, but this is very encouraging... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A pulls up a terminal emulator to run 'top' to see what cpu usage looks like... **

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Timrit:

hello. i was wondering if X is really a requirement on a backend or if I can forward X sessions over ssh to do setups.

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Captain_Murdoch:

forwarding works fine

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sphery:

however, X libs must be installed

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Beirdo:

but you will need X libraries

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Captain_Murdoch:

or some use Xvnc

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

sphery: jinx

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I win

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Timrit:

Captain_Murdoch: i have a headless box in a closet and a small hd (4gb) and dont want to put an X environment on it if it isnt necessary.

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sphery:

Timrit: on the bright side, X libs take up, what, 50MB?

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Timrit:

i have extra drives for storage

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sphery:

that's less than a minute of video :)

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Timrit:

sphery: i have several 250+ gig drives for storage/recordings

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sphery:

but basically, X is a requirement for Qt, which is the framework used to build MythTV, so you need libs

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Timrit:

the small drive is just for base OS

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sphery:

well, 50MB is nothing

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sphery:

X libs are small

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Timrit:

no that is alright

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sphery:

just don't put on all the garbage--like GNOME, KDE, ...

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sphery:

and don't actually run X

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Timrit:

like i said, no X if i can avoid it

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Beirdo:

MAYBE install xterm

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Timrit:

anyone use Arch as a backend server?

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Beirdo:

and use it remotely :)

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sphery:

yeah, I never run X on any of my backends

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sphery:

ssh -Y is the way to go

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Timrit:

-Y?"

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Timrit:

never used that flag

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high-rez:

forwaRD X11

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sphery:

-Y says "give me X forward and let me use the clipboard and such"

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high-rez:

erps

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Timrit:

oh

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Timrit:

i thought it was ssh -X

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

-X = "give me X forwarding, but I don't trust that computer on the other end, so I think someone there may try to run a key logger"

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Beirdo:

Anthony Bourdain in Kerala, India

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high-rez:

Is that the one where he's at the dudes wedding?

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sphery:

if you have to run -X on your local network, you have serious problems you need to fix :)

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Timrit:

sphery: :))

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Timrit:

thanks for the tips

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Timrit:

thanks to everyone actually

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Beirdo:

high-rez: haven't seen a wedding yet

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sphery:

just makes it much easier... copy/paste is nice for those paths and Schedules Direct passwords, etc.

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sphery:

anyway, have fun

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Beirdo:

but he has some fun things to say about spicy foods at times

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high-rez:

the wife and i used to watch that show. sortta know most of the episodes now

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... 'top' on Android ain't very pretty... doesn't fit to the screen, and can't quit with 'q' !!!!

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I have a problem

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Beirdo:

I wanna setup the entertainment unit stuff...

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Beirdo:

but I don't wanna disconnect everything, especially while it's recording :)

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Timrit:

libvdpau is standard by default now, eh?

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high-rez:

standard in what way ?

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Timrit:

on a standard install on Arch from the extra repo, i just saw that package get downloaded.

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** high-rez blinks **

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Timrit:

Optional dependencies for libva vdpau-video: VDPAU backend for VA API

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Timrit:

maybe not

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Beirdo:

wha?!

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Beirdo:

vaapi is not used in myth yet

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Beirdo:

vdpau can be, and is beneficial if you can

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Timrit:

no nvidia cards

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Beirdo:

vaapi will be sometime soon, most likely, we have patches that aren't highly tested yet

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Beirdo:

you might wanna buy some :)

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Beirdo:

especially if you plan on doing HDTV

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Timrit:

this is backend though, wouldnt help would it?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

not at this time, maybe later if we use it for commflagging and/or transcoding

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high-rez:

cuda based commflag? :P

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Beirdo:

could be possible in the future, who knows

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Gibby1313:

For weather, I just go and plug my zipcode in on the front end correct?

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wagnerrp:

that depends on whether the grabber youre searching with is designed to handle zip codes

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Gibby1313:

I added the accuweather script, tried zip and city,state no luck

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Beirdo:

I'm not supporting the accuweather script

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Beirdo:

not unless I can be shown the TOS and be sure it's OK

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Beirdo:

trunk (and 0.23-fixes) has yr.no, wunderground, NOAA, Environment Canada

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Beirdo:

and BBC, I think it is

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Beirdo:

and generally speaking, you put in the town name, not zip

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Gibby1313:

So what scripts do I need to use for USA?

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Beirdo:

no clue what the accuweather one uses, but as I said, not supported

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Beirdo:

if you just install what comes with the plugin, the USA should be well covered by several sources

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Gibby1313:

it doesn't find any major cites in South Carolina

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Beirdo:

such as?

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Gibby1313:

Columbia

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wagnerrp:

charleston

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Gibby1313:

nothing for charlestoneither

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Beirdo:

what precisely are you trying to add?

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Beirdo:

which screen?

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Gibby1313:

zipcode: 29203 or columbia, sc

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Beirdo:

don't make me get the trout :)

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Beirdo:

which screen :)

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Gibby1313:

lol

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Gibby1313:

any

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Gibby1313:

it finds some place is MO for Severe Weather when I use my zip lol

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Beirdo:

Is Columbia Regional Airport close enough?

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Gibby1313:

How about Columbia Metro

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Beirdo:

it's there

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Gibby1313:

ugh, how did you search?

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Beirdo:

Columbia

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Beirdo:

it worked under "current conditions" and "18hr" for me

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Beirdo:

didn't try the others yet

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Gibby1313:

Ahhh, I was putting the state in too

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Gibby1313:

Only found it for 18, 6 and 3 nothing else :(

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Beirdo:

it's in others with some variations, I'm sure

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Beirdo:

it's tough to say as each source searches differently

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Beirdo:

but mostly, just the town name should get you there

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Timrit:

so i have to ask again, does anyone use arch on their backend?

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Beirdo:

no clue

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high-rez:

is that like archie? I used to use that back in the gopher days.

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Beirdo:

no, it's yet another linux distro

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Timrit:

what distro do you use?

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Beirdo:

for those who are anti-everything-else

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Beirdo:

irrelevant

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Beirdo:

ubuntu 10.04, running trunk

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Beirdo:

but irrelevant

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Timrit:

i want to install xlibs like suggested above

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Timrit:

i cant find a package named xlibs

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Timrit:

do i have to install xserver?

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Beirdo:

that depends on the packaging of your distro, and I don't do Arch

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spiffydudex:

Hello all, I was looking at purchasing a ATI HDTV Wonder. I did some looking up and on myths website and found this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_HDTV_Wonder and I am getting mixed signals from the page. Does it work with the newest version of myth .24 and newest ubuntu 10.04?

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spiffydudex:

nvm answered my own question

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Beirdo:

oh, this is gonna hurt my brain tonight

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Beirdo:

how I love refactoring code... yet again :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mzb:

I have 3x tuners on my MBE and 1x (atm) tuner on my SBE

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mzb:

if I startup the SBE (and even if I run --resched) upcoming conflicts are not resolved

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mzb:

what am I doing wrong?

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mzb:

err ... nm

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mzb:

maybe it's just *that* busy at 8:30pm on monday nights ;)

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** mzb gets the extra (dual) tuner out of the cupboard **

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mronkko:

I have a problem with recording rules and was thinking that someone here might know a solution or how to troubleshoot the issue

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mronkko:

I can add recording rules normally, but the list of recording rules is empty in the frontend. The recording rules are added to the database and do show in mythweb. Also mythbackend does not seem to see the recording rules since it does not schedule any recordings

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Darren:

Please help ... my Nvidia 9500 GT will not properly output to TV using the nvidia driver. I can see the "DELL" boot screen, but when X loads, I get a blank screen. HOwerver. Safe Graphics mode will work on the tv (Component vidieo)

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mronkko:

Darren: which version of the driver are you using?

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Darren:

mronkko 195.36.24

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mronkko:

The latest is 255 or something

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Darren:

yeah... but is that really the problem?

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mronkko:

256.44

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Darren:

especially if I get TV out with "failsafe"

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Darren:

btw, the tv is the only monitor connected

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mronkko:

most likely not, but updating the driver is an easy to try fix

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mronkko:

can you show your xorg.conf ?

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mronkko:

I have nvidia card too and it works perfectly with TV

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Darren:

yeah, hold on

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Darren:

Section "Screen"

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Darren:

Identifier "Default Screen"

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Darren:

DefaultDepth 24

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Darren:

Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPONENT"

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Darren:

Option "TVStandard" "HD480p"

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Darren:

Option "metamodes" "CRT: 720x480 +0+0"

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Darren:

Option "DPI" "100x100"

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Darren:

# Option "NoLogo" "1"

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Darren:

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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Darren:

# SubSection "Display"

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Darren:

# Depth 24

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Darren:

# Modes "640x480"

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Darren:

# EndSubSection

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Darren:

EndSection

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Darren:

Section "Device"

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Darren:

Identifier "Default Device"

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mronkko:

use http://http://pastebin.ca/ instead of posting to the channel

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Darren:

Driver "nvidia"

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Darren:

# Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPONENT"

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Darren:

# Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"

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Darren:

# Option "DPI" "100x100"

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Darren:

# Option "NoLogo" "1"

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Darren:

# Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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Darren:

EndSection

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Darren:

sorry

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mronkko:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Why_am_I_getting_y . . . e_channel.3F

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Darren:

can i send file?

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mronkko:

can you show the Xorg log too

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mronkko:

why are the option lines commented out in the Driver-section?

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Darren:

device section?

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Darren:

I have been trying differnt configurations .. they where initially placed in the devices section but reading the nvidia readme said to place in the screen section

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mronkko:

can you give me the link to that readme

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mronkko:

I think that those options should be defined in the device section

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Darren:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . igtvout.html

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Darren:

"The "TVStandard" option should be added to your screen section; valid values are:"

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Darren:

perhaps just the "TVStandard" option?

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mronkko:

probably

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Darren:

either way it's not working

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mronkko:

a stupid question: are you sure that you have component video? (Three different cables going to TV)

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Darren:

yup... they are the only three cables connected. I get the boot screen, and Mythbunu with the dots.. then blank

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Darren:

same thing when i try S-video

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mronkko:

can you modify your xorg conf so that the TVStandard option is in the screen section and other options are in the device section and then restart X and send me the log

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Darren:

ok

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Beirdo:

so... Haven (on SyFy)....

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Beirdo:

Canadian show

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Beirdo:

OK... let's see if this mess of changes works

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Beirdo:

if it does, then I need to go back and add code to allow a NON-commflag show to work again :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Darren:

mronkko .. i've completed the suggestions

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Beirdo:

and fix the support for !Linux too

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mronkko:

I assume that it does not work?

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Darren:

mronkko nope... did not... i'll be back in like 20 mintues

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mronkko:

Darren: A couple of things. You probably should use Option "UseDisplayDevice" "TV" and also note that according to the documentation NTSC is not supported with Component Video

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mronkko:

I too have a weird hardware problem. Linux thinks that there are three tuner cards in my system when only two are connected

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Beirdo:

hahahaha

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Beirdo:

ooooops

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Beirdo:

I made an infinite loop

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Beirdo:

I rule

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Darren:

mronkka .. i will try changing. Should I change to "HD480p" as well?

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mronkko:

Darren: depends on what your TV supports

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mronkko:

480p is standard definition

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Darren:

mronkka .. i must be getting somwhere ... I change to "UseDisplayDevice" "TV" and changed "TVStandard" to "HD480p"

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Darren:

and it tries to display, but then falls back to failsafe

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mronkko:

then Xorg logs will probably help

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Darren:

but now the desktop is showing.. but in failsafe .. it flickered a few times before showing the desktop

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Darren:

can i send you?

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mronkko:

yes

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Darren:

ahh.. no screens found.

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Darren:

my tv states that it can handle 480i, 480p, and 1080i

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mronkko:

can your TV handle 480p?

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Darren:

yup .. but what resolution is that? 640x480?

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Darren:

720x480?

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Darren:

should I set the mode in xorg for the resolution maybe?

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Beirdo:

720x480 @ 60fps

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Darren:

Beirdo can I specify this in xorg.conf?

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Beirdo:

no clude

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mronkko:

you can

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Beirdo:

my setup just works :)

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Darren:

you are lucky :D

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Beirdo:

and displays in 1080i :)

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Darren:

Beirdo what resolution is 1080i?

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mronkko:

http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes

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mronkko:

1080i is FullHD or 1920*1080

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Beirdo:

1920x1080 @ 30fps

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Darren:

can the 9500GT output that? and If my tv states 1080i is that the resolution it's looking for?

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Beirdo:

should be able to, that's what I'm using

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Darren:

mronkko what do you advise I change in my xorg.conf?

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Darren:

should I use "metamodes" or create a subsection "display" fo rthe resolution?

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Beirdo:

grrrr, this code is driving me insane

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Beirdo:

and this song sucks

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mronkko:

Darren: do you have a fullHD TV?

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mronkko:

I will check my xorg

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Darren:

if by full HD y ou mean 1080p then no... just 1080i through component

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mronkko:

ok

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mronkko:

can your card handle that?

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Darren:

outputing 1920x1080? Beirdo says yes! :D

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mronkko:

try adding this to Screen section of xorg.conf Device "Default Device"

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Beirdo:

my 9500GT does it just fine

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Darren:

rebooting

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Darren:

failsafe

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Darren:

:(

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Darren:

(--) Aug 06 22:44:28 NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 9500 GT at PCI:2:0:0:

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Darren:

(--) Aug 06 22:44:28 NVIDIA(0): none

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mronkko:

paste the content of xorg.conf and xorg log to http://pastebin.ca

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Darren:

i don't know how to use pastebin ..:-\

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Darren:

http://pastebin.ca/1912694

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Darren:

ah.. ha!

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Darren:

now i get pastebin

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mronkko:

Xorg.conf too

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Darren:

http://pastebin.ca/1912696

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Darren:

just noticed a typo ... "Defaul Device"

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Darren:

nope... still doesn't work

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mronkko:

can you paste the log and xorg.conf after fixing the typo?

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Darren:

can you add to pastebin? instead of new?

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Darren:

http://pastebin.ca/1912701

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mronkko:

you can add stuff there

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Darren:

seems no matter what I do I get "no display devices found for this X screen"

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mronkko:

if you can paste the xorg.conf and log, I can try to help

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mronkko:

the latest pastpad entry has only the log

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Darren:

ok i will send.

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Darren:

sorry.. just easier ...

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Darren:

I have to sign off right now, but will be coming back to this in 12hrs or so.. let me know if you have any ideas, they would be mUCH appreciated

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Darren:

Thanks for helping mronkko :D

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mronkko:

there is a typo in xorg.conf

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mronkko:

Device "Defaul Device"

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Darren:

ahh.. but that didn't change anything .. i will resend.. i'm sorry

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mronkko:

that would cause the "no device" error

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Darren:

i'm assuming you want the Xorg.0.log and not .5 .4 of .failsafe?

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Darren:

this would be the information with the spelling error fixed.

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Darren:

mronkko i am sending the file.

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Beirdo:

OK, screw this. 2:30am. Time for bed.

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Beirdo:

I think I almost have that code right.

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Beirdo:

but I'm too tired to test anymore tonight

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slacker-:

hi

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slacker-:

I want to transcode my recordings into x264 video with mp3 audio. I'm using mencoder to do this manually in a 2 pass process but every time the 2nd pass finishes it complains that it has less frames that the first one

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slacker-:

here's the command

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slacker-:

mencoder ../record/2672_20100804094500.mpg -vf pp=ci,pullup,softskip,harddup -oac copy -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=800:subq=6:bframes=4:b_adapt:weight_b:b_pyramid=normal:me=umh:me_range=3 2:8x8dct:turbo=1:pass=1 -of rawvideo -o /dev/null

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slacker-:

mencoder ../record/2672_20100804094500.mpg -vf pp=ci,pullup,softskip,harddup -oac copy -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=800:subq=6:bframes=4:b_adapt:weight_b:b_pyramid=normal:me=umh:me_range=3 2:8x8dct:pass=2 -of rawvideo -o temp.avi

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slacker-:

any idea why this would fail?

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slacker-:

also, I was wondering if I can make mythtranscode to encode as x264 so that I can make use of the cutlise

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slacker-:

list

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slacker-:

hm, I found this: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/myt . . . s-guide.html see if it's any good

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Merlina_:

is your video corrupted?

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Merlina_:

frameloss etc?

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Merlina_:

maybe you want to clean them first with ProjectX

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slacker-:

Merlina_: they play fine with mplayer, so mencoder should be right

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slacker-:

some of my options are problably wrong

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_gunni_:

I dont know why, but since today (rebooted after some ubuntu maverick updates), my mythtv backend does not recognize the recording plan. Any ideas? Schedules are there, but upcoming is empty. I tried deleting all videocards and videosources and setting them up again, but did not help.

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slacker-:

ah.. that website's good

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oobe:

_gunni_, check if you have any crashed tables in mythweb http://localhost/mythweb/settings/database

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_gunni_:

oobe: I think i found one problem. mysql is not able to create a temp table. i will dig into it.

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oobe:

_gunni_, did you find it in mythweb

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oobe:

cause it has a built in feature to repair and optimise your tables on that page

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_gunni_:

oobe: Found it. Todays update from mysql package did fix it. Seems like it was an error in mysql

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oobe:

awesome

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oobe:

I locked mysql version on the box running backend

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oobe:

cause some updates screw with it

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wagnerrp:

blorent: compilation errors usually mean you need to run a 'make distclean' and try again

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nikitis:

What is the most featureful TV Card you can buy that will work with MythTV?

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skd5aner:

depends on what you're recording from and where you live

[14:15:45]

wagnerrp:

what do you want to record?

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nikitis:

Practically anything I plug into it

[14:16:07]

skd5aner:

um, doesn't really answer the question

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skd5aner:

first, where do you live? US?

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nikitis:

South Carolina

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skd5aner:

You want to record via cable, Satellite, Over the Air, etc?

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nikitis:

right now I mostly will record ATSC OTA

[14:16:57]

nikitis:

but may bet satallite or cable tv

[14:16:58]

wagnerrp:

so you want ATSC and possibly digital cable?

[14:17:02]

nikitis:

get*

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skd5aner:

HDHR – Records QAM (via cable) and ATSC (via OTA)

[14:17:21]

wagnerrp:

satellite, you cant record directly

[14:17:27]

wagnerrp:

cable, you cant record much directly

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nikitis:

yeah, are there issues with cable tv dvr's due to encryption?

[14:17:38]

skd5aner:

HDHR is digital

[14:17:38]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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skd5aner:

if you want to record analog cable, then you have to get a dual or hybrid tuner

[14:18:05]

skd5aner:

if you want to record from Satellite or a cable STB, then the HD-PVR is the best option

[14:18:27]

wagnerrp:

if you want to record HD from satellite or a cable stb, then the hd-pvr is the only option

[14:18:47]

|PSU|:

hi guys, been fighting with a mythtv reinstall for a few days now as I had a HDD fail and it was time to rebuild. It's an older box with a PVR-350. From what I've seen this card is no longer supported...what do you recommend that I use to build the setup? I'm just looking for a simple all-in-one box. I had tried MythDora 4/5 but found that the atrms were no longer available. thanks!

[14:18:56]

skd5aner:

the HD-PVR will record whatever the STB can tune and output via analog component output, but as long as the signal is HD, you're recording will be as well

[14:19:14]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: why do you always have to one up all the time :P

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skd5aner:

I swear

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wagnerrp:

|PSU|: accelerated video output on that card is no longer supported, but it works just fine for capture

[14:19:20]

wagnerrp:

:)

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|PSU|:

wagnerrp: so would i be safe to install the latest version of MythDora if i were planning to use a GeForce 4 for tv-out?

[14:20:26]

wagnerrp:

if you can still get nvidia drivers for that old card

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|PSU|:

where could i verify what drivers were available?

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skd5aner:

nikitis: that help answer you question?

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nikitis:

a little, but i need to better form my question

[14:21:37]

skd5aner:

fair enough

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|PSU|:

wagnerrp: I believe that it is a GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8X

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wagnerrp:

|PSU|: you need the legacy 96.x series drivers

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nikitis:

How does one of these HD PVR's become run by a myth box? it looks external.

[14:21:59]

skd5aner:

nikitis: there isn't a one size fits all tuner...

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wagnerrp:

nikitis: its a USB capture device

[14:22:24]

wagnerrp:

you plug it into the computer, and mythtv uses it like any other capture device

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skd5aner:

nikitis: firmware is in the kernel, mythtv knows how to control it – it connects via usb

[14:22:36]

skd5aner:

well, driver is in the kernel I mean

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nikitis:

okay

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nikitis:

But this will not record ATSC OTA?

[14:22:47]

skd5aner:

no

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wagnerrp:

no, analog video capture only

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|PSU|:

wagnerrp: so during the install should i select the option for legacy nvidia drivers? what about the first option for installing mythdora (install system with basic video driver)?

[14:23:25]

wagnerrp:

no, you want the proprietary nvidia drivers

[14:23:26]

nikitis:

Are there any digital video recording options? or have the media companies blocked us out with their encryption?

[14:23:32]

skd5aner:

HDHR, and several other digital capture cards, can do ATSC. Some are "hybrid" or have dual tuners that will do ATSC and NTSC

[14:23:32]

wagnerrp:

nv and noveau wont cut it

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wagnerrp:

nikitis: see the link i gave above

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skd5aner:

nikitis: just qam/ATSC

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skd5aner:

or firewire, but don't count on it

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wagnerrp:

all covered in the link

[14:24:23]

nikitis:

skd5aner: can Myth control two tuners to have an all-in-one like solution?

[14:24:29]

skd5aner:

yes

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skd5aner:

multiple tuners

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skd5aner:

same or different makes/models/brands, etc

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nikitis:

Does the HD PVR act as a analog hole?

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skd5aner:

I have an HDHR (with a second one on order), 4 Analog NTSC cards, 2 ATSC/QAM cards, and 1 HD-PVR

[14:25:44]

skd5aner:

nikitis: yes, it takes advantage of the "analog hole"

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wagnerrp:

no, it just records analog video off your STB

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skd5aner:

well, unless I'm misinterpreting your question

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wagnerrp:

calling it an 'analog hole' indicates that its somehow 'wrong' to use it

[14:26:28]

skd5aner:

It doesn't transform digital into analog

[14:26:55]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: thank you... I agree with that statement, some folks around here don't

[14:27:31]

skd5aner:

It actually does the opposite, takes an analog signal (SD or HD) and encodes it into digital

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nikitis:

So let me ask this. The HD PVR won't record the "pure" digital signal due to encryption, but will capture it and store it in an analog type fashion?

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wagnerrp:

it will record over analog, and compress it to digital h264

[14:31:09]

wagnerrp:

modern computers cannot store in analog

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nikitis:

well right

[14:32:08]

nikitis:

like say incoming signal is type "A". the HD PVR captures it as type "B" format, then software recodes it to type "C" which is digital h.264? Something like that?

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skd5aner:

nikitis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

[14:34:23]

skd5aner:

nikitis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR click "connector diagrams

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skd5aner:

you can basically do component (SD and HD), composite (SD), and S-Video (SD) in – all analog

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nikitis:

So it will basically record it in the same resolution?

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skd5aner:

it has a built-in encoder, that takes the analog sigal and encodes it into h.264, and outputs that over USB

[14:35:48]

skd5aner:

yes

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nikitis:

The HDHomeRun is different how?

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skd5aner:

HDHR is a device with 2 coax inputs... it has a tuner, not an encoder, that can tune ATSC and QAM signals

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nikitis:

Okay

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skd5aner:

it saves a raw digital bitstream it receives, and doesn't encode at all

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nikitis:

Right, and that will only work with un-encrypted digital signals

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skd5aner:

correct

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skd5aner:

OTA and non-5c channels that a cable provider might send

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nikitis:

I have one of those already by dvico but it's only got 32-bit drivers

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skd5aner:

the HDHR is an external network device – not a PCI card (or USB). mythtv accesses it over the network

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nikitis:

to broad cast to any computing device running myth?

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skd5aner:

a backend that's configured to talk to it

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nikitis:

Could I accomplish the same using VLC network streaming?

[14:39:22]

skd5aner:

no

[14:39:42]

nikitis:

vlc can access my capture card and stream it over my network

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nikitis:

but not to myth

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skd5aner:

Ethernet/IP is just the medium, instead of usb, etc

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skd5aner:

it's not a broadcast, it's 1:1

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skd5aner:

make sense?

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nikitis:

yup

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skd5aner:

There's also various cards you could get, I'm not as familiar with – like the Hauppage HVR1600 I think

[14:43:06]

nikitis:

There was a recent article on how to build a myth box with that above card

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skd5aner:

the can tune both analog NTSC to tune Cable analog channels (2–99) and ATSC/QAM to get the digital stuff same as the HDHR

[14:43:59]

skd5aner:

but, analog is a dying breed, so...

[14:44:18]

skd5aner:

that being said, I still leverage my analog tuners (PVR-250s and PVR-500s) for certain things

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nikitis:

skd5aner: I don't personally mind if the video has been re-encoded as long as it's maintains it's resolution. I realize that it may lose some quality, but not extremely noticable

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wagnerrp:

there is such a thing in linux as 32-bit only drivers?

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nikitis:

there's a 64-bit slapstick driver,

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nikitis:

for linux only

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nikitis:

but it's not written well

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stoth:

wagnerrp: not that I'm aware of

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skd5aner:

nikitis: PQ degredation is negligable in the HD-PVR from the PQ of the source... imho, you can change the encoding bitrates to increase/decrease the quality

[14:45:44]

janneg:

wagnerrp: there could be some obscure binary only driver

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nikitis:

I've tried it already, and there are major lag issues with my particular card

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stoth:

wagnerrp: buggy 32 bit drivers for PCI/PCIe on 64bit, possible.

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wagnerrp:

in every case ive heard of, 32 vs. 64 bit drivers just meant you needed to recompile them

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stoth:

wagnerrp: technically it's more than that but linux does a good job of hiding the details.

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skd5aner:

nikitis: and any QAM/ATSC tuner doesn't do any encoding, so the bitstream is identical, 0 loss of fidelity

[14:46:57]

blizzard_:

Has anyone played with getting phone caller ID notifications to the mythfrontened?

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nikitis:

skd5aner: i may just put my QAM/ATSC Card into my myth box i'm going to make, and buy a HD PVR to have both solutions

[14:47:10]

wagnerrp:

blizzard_: several tools for doing so on the wiki

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skd5aner:

nikitis: and yes, native resolution is maintained in all of those scenarios – unless you transcode or something

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wagnerrp:

or unless you have your STB set to automatically scale the video

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wagnerrp:

some people force their STBs to 720p regardless of video resolution

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skd5aner:

true, which mine tends to reset after power losses to scale when I don't want it to

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wagnerrp:

it used to be necessary early on in the HDPVR driver development, as it could not handle resolution changes mid-recording

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blizzard_:

oh, must have missed those

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skd5aner:

but still, that's the STB's fault, not that of the encoder or myth :)

[14:48:47]

skd5aner:

it's keeping the resolution at whatever it's given

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skd5aner:

alright, I'm out for now... good luck nikitis

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nikitis:

Thanks a lot

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nikitis:

for your help

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skd5aner:

np

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jamesba:

hi, I'm having trouble with a mythbuntu machine I have set up at home

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jamesba:

whenever I try to play a DVD with the Internal player I just get a black screen

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jamesba:

I can play dvds with gxine and VLC so the drive works

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jamesba:

and I have DVD support selected in the proprietry codecs tab in Mythbuntu control centre (it's the only option available there)

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jpabq:

high-rez, I have attached a patch to the ticket you created. Should fix your problem, and it gets the program info correct when changing channels.

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beata-:

anyone know if there is anything wrong w/ schedules direct? I am trying to configure a backend, and it is not grabbing my channel data.

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wagnerrp:

what type of tuner?

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beata-:

from the logs looks like i get a 401 first, then a 500

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beata-:

hdhomerun

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|PSU|:

does anyone know where the language information is stored for mythdora/mythtv? by accident during the initial mythtv setup i selected the wrong language as my system was lagging :/

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beata-:

but this is just trying to talk to schedules direct

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wagnerrp:

you cannot pull channel lineups for digital tuners

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beata-:

i know

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beata-:

this is before they are associated

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beata-:

when i click "retrieve lineups"

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wagnerrp:

you have defined the xmltvids, and are trying to run mythfilldatabase?

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wagnerrp:

oh

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beata-:

sry bad wording

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beata-:

and i double checked my login information was right via there website

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benomatic:

any clue why when playing recordings the video switches spontaneously between true full screen, and black box wrapper? it changes anywhere from once/minute to "almost never". and i am not (knowingly) doing any to the system.

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dan4dm:

hi all; on my dual-tuner Nova-T 500 I originally had both tuners getting the transmitted guide – I changed so only one does (to fix an instability) but...

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dan4dm:

...now I see only the first is being used when I schedule recordings. how to fix that? is it simply something about copying channel codes?

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wagnerrp:

dan4dm: are both tuners using the same antenna?

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dan4dm:

wagnerrp: no, separate

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dan4dm:

i notice in the channel-editor that all the XMLTV IDs seem to be empty – would it help to fill them in?

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dan4dm:

in my channel-editor i have entries for the TransmittedGuide and the NonTransmittedGuide but I guess it might not connect them together without XMLTV IDs

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wagnerrp:

only if youre using an XMLTV grabber

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dan4dm:

ah ok, no i'm using the transmitted guide

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nikitis:

Is there an internal version of the HD PVR?

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wagnerrp:

no

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stoth:

Any comments on the version of mythtv that ships by default in ubuntu 10.04? (I need to upgrade from 9.04 and 21-fixes)

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wagnerrp:

make sure to upgrade it, as its running a pre-release version

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stoth:

I thought so, I'd heard that.

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stoth:

Does the myth wiki cover this nicely?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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stoth:

ok. thx for confirming.

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dan4dm:

is there something i can check in the db, which might give clues about why only one tuner for rec? i have them set as "Preferred input: any"

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nikitis:

Will the HD PVR Record VHS Tapes?

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dan4dm:

aha – for example, i have a Film4 recording scheduled. in the "record" table chanid is 1015, while in "channels" i have 1015 and 2015 for Film4, presumably the 2 tuners?

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wagnerrp:

if they are not the same video sources, do you have the channels named properly such that mythtv will recognize them as the same thing?

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wagnerrp:

nikitis: no, the HDPVR does not have a slot to accept VHS tapes

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nikitis:

wagnerrp: does it have compisite inputs that you can hook a vcr up to and record?

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wagnerrp:

i believe so, yes

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dan4dm:

wagnerrp: both 1015 and 2015 have the same name "Film4" callsign "Film4" serviceid "27136"; different mplexid (6 vs 12)

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nikitis:

That alone may make it worth it

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wagnerrp:

but unless these are home recordings, you may want to reconsider pulling video off old VHS tapes

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nikitis:

why?

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wagnerrp:

and if you do want to only rip VHS tapes, a cheap old PVR-150 might be a better purchase

[16:50:43]

wagnerrp:

because VHS looks like crap

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nikitis:

I know they are low resolution

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nikitis:

haha

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nikitis:

but i still want them

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nikitis:

We have some VHS that were never converted to DVD

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nikitis:

even low res is better than not having them

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wagnerrp:

well, home videos, or anything else you cannot get on a better medium

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|PSU|:

okay finally got the box online...weird issue now.. i only have live tv for channels 2–13...i should have up to ~60

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blizzard_:

hm

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blizzard_:

trying nuvexport

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blizzard_:

getting the following:

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blizzard_:

Loading MythTV recording info.

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blizzard_:

This host not configured for myth.

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blizzard_:

(No RecordFilePrefix defined for snowball in the settings table.)

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blizzard_:

snowball is my backend with all the storage

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blizzard_:

works just fine

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dan4dm:

ok, thanks for thoughts

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Beirdo:

Oh, I so hate this song

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Beirdo:

the Home Run Derby is one of my test recordings... And they started with Train singing Soul Sister

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Beirdo:

so every time I use the recording, I get subjected to a crappy song

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Beirdo:

its in 720p H.264 which my TV likes just fine

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Beirdo:

1080i, not so much, but that could also be myth, I dunno.

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Beirdo:

I need to add more code...

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

this recording has no marked framerate in my db

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Beirdo:

so I default to 29.97

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Beirdo:

I need to make that smarter... check for PAL, and if it seems to be 720p, guess 59.94

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Beirdo:

wonder if I left a Top Gear recording around

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Beirdo:

stupid TV won't let me STOP playing

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

K, I'll have one in a few hours

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|PSU|:

any suggestions regarding my issue?.. i only have live tv for channels 2–13...i should have up to ~60

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|PSU|:

ah, think google gave me the answer – http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=455752 :)

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Beirdo:

Content-Range: bytes 0–5107736656/4595700232

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Beirdo:

Ooook, I think I still have a bug there

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|PSU|:

damn mythvideo isn't showing any videso :/

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|PSU|:

*videos

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Beirdo:

haha, crashed my TV

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: so chop off the first hundred megs of it

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ke_:

Few questions. Where i can change the crop filter default value to smaller (its 16) need like 2 pixels. And second question related to crop filter. I have this purple green bars at cropped area. Would prefer black area. Where i can fix those. Or are there man-pages to read ?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: don't tempt me :)

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Beirdo:

still need to make the code honor cutlists in preference to commflagging

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wagnerrp:

well thats simple enough to do

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

just haven't done it yet :)

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Beirdo:

then I need to make a way for this to work WITHOUT commflagging... and I don't wanna duplicate code

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Beirdo:

but that's just the fun of making changes such as this

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wagnerrp:

heh... i was just looking through my recording directories, and found some odd files

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wagnerrp:

last modified, today at 11:42? what did i record ending at 11:42? someone watching livetv

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wagnerrp:

.... they were transcodings

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wagnerrp:

... i really need to get mythfs functional again and stop looking at the raw files

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, this is once again hurting my brain :)

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wagnerrp:

you need citrus

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

stupid frigging mess :)

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** wagnerrp goes and gets a juicer helmet **

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Beirdo:

trying to decipher WHERE it's setting the range in this particular case

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Beirdo:

someone nearby has a UPS going nuts

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Beirdo:

beep beep beep..... beep beep beep...

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wagnerrp:

in your apt building?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

it's done now

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__benny__:

Hello! after updating to trunk r25575 LiveTV have become very interesting, kind I can't make it work anymore

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__benny__:

here is what i got from mythbackend http://pastebin.com/zDJaQupg

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wagnerrp:

so your default livetv channel does not exist

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wagnerrp:

you need to go into mythtv-setup, and set the first channel to one it can tune

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__benny__:

it happens to any channels, and I'm 100% sure that channel exist

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iamlindoro:

more likely related to high-rez's issue tha jpabq has been working to fix

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iamlindoro:

that's the price of running trunk

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iamlindoro:

things break

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__benny__:

:D I'm happy anyway

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__benny__:

well, anything I can do to track this issue ?

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__benny__:

should I create a #ticket, or is it already known ?

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wagnerrp:

if someone is already working to fix it, dont bother with a ticket

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you around?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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ekristen:

how do I get a recordings thumbnail with the python bindings

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ekristen:

I can't seem to find the function

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wagnerrp:

query_pixmap_lastmodified?

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wagnerrp:

dont know

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wagnerrp:

ill have to see what mythweb does

[20:02:28]

wagnerrp:

actually no, mythweb generates its own thumbnails

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wagnerrp:

you can pull it over mythxml

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wagnerrp:

but i expect theres a better way to access it

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__benny__:

well, just wondering, how is it possible that it can't find my default channel. What strategy is used to pick the Input source, I got 5 sources

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wagnerrp:

first available tuner (or last if youve got that setting checked off)

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__benny__:

Well, the first tuner, then I got a Diseq, which port on the Diseq will be default ?

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__benny__:

just the first port

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wagnerrp:

which ever port is needed for the default channel

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__benny__:

wagnerrp: each source has a default channel – I configured 1 source -> 1 diseq port

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__benny__:

well, the point is that for example channel 5 -> source #4 -> diseq port 4 -> tuner 1 (DVB-S)

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__benny__:

why does it pick source #4, or where is it configured ... I know it's mess trying to explain ..

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wagnerrp:

yes, and each tuner only has a single source

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** Beirdo pokes his mythbox **

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Beirdo:

argh... recording...

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** Beirdo grumbles **

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wagnerrp:

you must be recording... Ice Spiders

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Beirdo:

Top Gear :)

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wagnerrp:

or Armegeddon?

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Beirdo:

no

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high-rez:

Ooh topgear++

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wagnerrp:

no no no... must be The Hot Chick

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wagnerrp:

i know how much you love Rob Schneider

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Beirdo:

but I want to bounce the backend, and it's mid-recording

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

no.

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__benny__:

wagnerrp: nope, I got 4 sources, that goes to 1 tuner (1 capture card)

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Beirdo:

Adam Sandler, perhaps

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Beirdo:

but not Rob Schneider

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wagnerrp:

you just said you had 5 sources

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wagnerrp:

and at least normal cards only get one source per capture input

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wagnerrp:

maybe satellite/disecq works differently

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__benny__:

wagnerrp: 1 DVB-S2 card with 4 port Diseq -> 4 sources

[20:19:21]

__benny__:

wagnerrp: 1 DVB-T card, 1 source

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__benny__:

wagnerrp: now total is 5 sources

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ekristen:

ok thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

ekristen: i .... cant response because you left

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wagnerrp:

anyone here actually use those driver disks that come with hardware?

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high-rez:

not i

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high-rez:

they just become clutter.

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wagnerrp:

i mean im looking at a 6" stack of CDs in front of me

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wagnerrp:

maybe 2 of which ive ever taken out of their sleeve

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__benny__:

those disks never with something that can used on Linux-based systems

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wagnerrp:

ooh, heres a driver DVD

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__benny__:

and it come with some Linux-driver, it's usually obsolete ...

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wagnerrp:

WTF did they give me a whole DVD, for probably 150MB of data

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wagnerrp:

cincinnati bell DSL... i cant even fathom whats on that CD

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wagnerrp:

plug modem into phone line, plug modem into ethernet, plug ethernet into computer

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wagnerrp:

done

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wagnerrp:

what could they possibly have on a CD

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high-rez:

Comcast at one time tried to get me to install some application on my machien they sent with the cable modem in order to activate. It was basically just diagnostics I think

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wagnerrp:

heres another one for a linksys phone ata

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wagnerrp:

supposed to auto-configure itself to use the VOIP provider, without touching a PC

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wagnerrp:

i bet ive got some CDs in here for my linksys routers

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wagnerrp:

yep, theres one

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jpabq:

__benny__, high-rez, I just committed the fix.

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high-rez:

Sweet.

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__benny__:

jpabq: nice :D

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high-rez:

Benny was seeing the same issue as me?

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__benny__:

i'll try it out

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__benny__:

as soon I can

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__benny__:

jpabq: I suppose you mean r25587 and #25543

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__benny__:

high-rez: how did you experience the issue ?

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high-rez:

benny: in an unhappy way ?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you make your own preview images, right? you dont use mythfrontend's?

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Beirdo:

jpabq: umm, fixes #25543 ? :)

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high-rez:

25543 was alraedy fixed on my machine ;)

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high-rez:

thanks to his patch last night. :P

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Beirdo:

I think ya put the commit number instead of the ticket number there :)

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Beirdo:

he committed it

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high-rez:

He committed a better fix I think

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, huh?

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__benny__:

high-rez: kindof unhappy without LiveTV ?

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high-rez:

benny: unhappy enough to bug the crap out of people here :))

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Beirdo:

OK, that's it

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** high-rez runs make -j 2 **

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: preview images, for recordings

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wagnerrp:

i was wondering how they were accessed, to add that into the bindings

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wagnerrp:

but you just ignore them and generate your own?

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__benny__:

Ok, is it worth spending some hour recompiling libmyth from latest trunk and test

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Ahh, in mythweb. We request a different size, aye, but it's requested from the MBE and it generates it and streams it to us.

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high-rez:

i'll know in 2 mins

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Beirdo:

AAARGH

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: are you doing that over mythxml?

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Beirdo:

it's the Blue Angels... again

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wagnerrp:

the GetPreviewImage?

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high-rez:

Call the police, Beirdo!

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high-rez:

:)

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Beirdo:

this time they were DIRECTLY over the buildings next door, and I didn't have the camera :)

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wagnerrp:

would you rather they be Hells Angels?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ram.php#L486

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wagnerrp:

do you save it yourself, or does the backend do that for you?>

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__benny__:

when you test the code, I guess you don't bother making .deb files ?

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kormoc:

backend does that for us

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wagnerrp:

thats fantastic, thanks

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kormoc:

np

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Beirdo:

manual focus FTW

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high-rez:

gah, have to do a make distclean

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Beirdo:

loud buggers :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nah, the -18s are quiet, its that -130 thats the loud one

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high-rez:

*yawn* i gotta go to the baerky today to get the wife a bday cake.

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__benny__:

ok. here we go 'debuild' :)

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high-rez:

packages are for wimps

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high-rez:

just go for the make install

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high-rez:

:)

[20:58:42]

__benny__:

you absolutely right

[20:58:57]

__benny__:

it's so hard stop quit packages

[21:01:28]

high-rez:

We shall see if its fixed... mythbackend version: trunk [25587] www.mythtv.org

[21:01:57]

__benny__:

well, I'm waiting ...

[21:03:16]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: 18s doing fun turns right above you gives a lovely ripping sound...

[21:03:24]

high-rez:

no go

[21:03:28]

high-rez:

broken

[21:03:49]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: sure, but it doesnt compare to a -130 taking off vertically

[21:04:13]

Beirdo:

hehe, true true

[21:04:43]

high-rez:

TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '55' was not found in the database.

[21:04:46]

high-rez:

on changing channels

[21:04:51]

__benny__:

:(

[21:04:57]

wagnerrp:

(considering the -130 doesnt have anything like 1:1, and can only take off vertically with those half dozen JATOs strapped on)

[21:05:00]

__benny__:

anyway, still compiling ...

[21:05:03]

Beirdo:

xris may have to deal with that (being closer to the airport where it's centered)

[21:05:39]

Beirdo:

I'm closer to downtown, and get them roaring over me on the way to/from the airfield

[21:05:44]

wagnerrp:

wait no... looks like 8 of em

[21:05:51]

__benny__:

is that msg related to some SQL query, that maybe we can see turning on some log ?

[21:06:06]

Beirdo:

high-rez: it's un-fixed?

[21:06:11]

high-rez:

Beirdo: unfixed.

[21:06:15]

Beirdo:

bah

[21:06:43]

Beirdo:

I'm off breaking other things, I guess you'll have to talk to jpabq again

[21:07:09]

high-rez:

I think I'll just open port 22 and let em in ;)

[21:07:16]

** high-rez ducks **

[21:07:26]

Beirdo:

hehe, that's between the two of ya :)

[21:07:38]

kormoc:

__benny__, what message?

[21:07:50]

__benny__:

that msg: "TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '55' was not found in the database."

[21:08:11]

high-rez:

kormoc: Has something to do with the order in which he initializes the ring buffer.

[21:08:15]

kormoc:

well, that just means there's no channel numbered 55 in the database

[21:08:27]

high-rez:

But there is, its a bug man,.

[21:08:56]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:09:05]

high-rez:

See the comments on r25587

[21:09:40]

__benny__:

maybe it means that there is no channel '55' with that 'sourceid'

[21:09:42]

high-rez:

The problem is the checkin for r25587 doesn't actually fix the problem (i've tested it). He made me a patch last night that /did/ fix the problem but introduced its own set of problems.

[21:10:40]

__benny__:

obviously, for me (and high-rez) there is channel with that number in the DB

[21:10:41]

** wagnerrp is having all sorts of trouble with the xml interface recently **

[21:10:52]

high-rez:

benny: If yoyu enable debugging you'll see that myth will figure out its not on the same source, then figure out its on a different source, but the lookup will fail.

[21:12:09]

high-rez:

See: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8742

[21:13:53]

__benny__:

high-rez: when you start LiveTV the first time it works ?

[21:14:00]

high-rez:

Yes works the first time on livetv

[21:14:05]

high-rez:

But any channel change after that fails.

[21:14:08]

__benny__:

high-rez: for me it does not work at all

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high-rez:

Oh, well that sucks ;)

[21:14:29]

__benny__:

and I got the same msg as you

[21:14:42]

high-rez:

I would try 25543 with the patch attached to that ticket to see if it fixes it for you.

[21:14:46]

__benny__:

but with channel '5' in my case, and if change the default channel in setup

[21:15:01]

__benny__:

if will fail with what-ever default-channel i change it to

[21:15:09]

high-rez:

interesting

[21:15:36]

high-rez:

For me, I was able to roll back to 25542 and everything worked, then forward to 25543, would fail and back to 42 and would work.

[21:15:55]

__benny__:

I'm not un-happy yet, but maybe I should starting to be ?

[21:15:58]

high-rez:

And JP's patch fixed 43 /and/ trunk last night – but the problem was that the screen would display the previous program.

[21:16:17]

high-rez:

Well no need to be unhappy, i'm certain he knows what the issue is and will get it fixed. ;)

[21:17:03]

high-rez:

I think its just the order in which certain tasks gets done during live tv and channel changes that needs to be addressed.

[21:17:04]

__benny__:

I'm sure it will be fixed soon, and I'm not out of beer yet ...

[21:17:15]

high-rez:

Or you can always go to 25542

[21:17:15]

high-rez:

:P

[21:18:01]

__benny__:

Let's try fix it, or find the issue ;)

[21:18:21]

__benny__:

reverting is never fun

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jpabq:

high-rez, actually, if current trunk breaks it again, then I have no idea what the issue is.

[21:19:48]

high-rez:

oh well crap

[21:20:14]

high-rez:

Ok, let me rephrase. While I'm not certain that JP knows what the issue is, I'm 100% certain he'll figure it out :))

[21:20:53]

jpabq:

high-rez, So, if you remove "if (channel) channel->SetChanNum(channum);" from tv_rec.cpp:3756 it goes back to working?

[21:21:11]

high-rez:

Let me give that a try

[21:22:09]

high-rez:

so 56 and 57 ?

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jpabq:

high-rez, yes

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high-rez:

ok testing

[21:25:41]

high-rez:

yeah works now

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high-rez:

:)

[21:25:48]

high-rez:

i just added //'

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__benny__:

:D

[21:26:02]

jpabq:

That is bizarre!

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high-rez:

to 3756 and 3757 and did make -j2; make install and restarted the backend.

[21:26:38]

__benny__:

I guess you mean line 3756 and 3757 in tv_rec.cpp ?

[21:26:38]

jpabq:

Fine. I will commit it without that, because showing the wrong channel is better than not tuning, but I have no idea why it is not working.

[21:27:06]

high-rez:

i don't think its showing the wrong channel now (it was last night)

[21:27:09]

high-rez:

let me recheck that

[21:27:40]

high-rez:

oh yer right, its showing the previously tuned channel

[21:28:39]

high-rez:

Well, if you ever feel like fighting this one more, the offer to debug on my machine is open. :)

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__benny__:

I can provide my machine for debugging too, if that helps

[21:30:22]

jpabq:

That may be necessary, since I still cannot make it fail on mine.

[21:30:51]

high-rez:

My machine is quite capable of failure. I run Gentoo.

[21:30:53]

** high-rez ducks **

[21:31:20]

__benny__:

well, Sorry, I run MythBuntu with .deb installations

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jpabq:

committed.

[21:35:02]

high-rez:

"For a couple of people" – That's us!

[21:35:04]

high-rez:

:)

[21:36:32]

jpabq:

I really have to wonder what is different about your system than mine, that causes that problem.

[21:36:33]

high-rez:

The one thing that both benny and I have in common is dvb-s...

[21:36:43]

high-rez:

E.g. multiple sources for a single card.

[21:38:06]

jpabq:

True, but am pretty sure iamlindoro also said he sees the same problem, and he has a DVB tunner decoding QAM from his cable. I don't have QAM but ATSC should be close to that....

[21:38:42]

high-rez:

But you don't have diseqc/multiple lnbs/multiple sources when doing pseudo dvb qam stuff.

[21:39:05]

jpabq:

With ATSC, I have three different channels with subchannels, so I do have multiple sources. I don't have multiple lnbs though.

[21:39:23]

__benny__:

exactly, that's mine theory too, ... however I'm not familiar with source or anything ...

[21:39:28]

high-rez:

i'd call what he was doing as mroe like dvb-c, you were able to do dvb-t, and benny and I are doing dvb-s – which is a bit different than -c and -t.

[21:40:30]

high-rez:

I think, if I remember right, in the email i sent you comparing the logs, before the channel lookup failure was the failure of 43 to send the diseqc commands...

[21:40:40]

jpabq:

True, but I am surprised that that difference would cause this problem. Must be enough, though.

[21:41:02]

high-rez:

e.g. maybe it needs to look in dtv_multiplex first, to figure out which switch port it needs – thus the diseqc command

[21:41:19]

high-rez:

and only tunes after the diseqc commands were sent (with a small ammount of sleep time)

[21:41:38]

jpabq:

I will have to dig some more.

[21:42:34]

__benny__:

jpabq: if you it's useful for you, I create a SSH acount to my machine, and you check whatever useful for you, just tellme

[21:42:51]

high-rez:

we'

[21:43:02]

high-rez:

we're both fighting over whose machine you'll use ;)

[21:43:09]

jpabq:

Thanks for the offer. That may be necessary.

[21:43:17]

high-rez:

i contend i have the better content :P

[21:43:55]

high-rez:

Do you see my /msg's benny ?

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high-rez:

jpabq: I could send you a dvb-s card im not using

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Beirdo:

heh

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stallione:

Hi

[21:55:20]

stallione:

does mythtv need mysql and mythtv-database running on a backend machine? (the frontend already has everything setup)

[21:56:03]

kormoc:

no, it shares one database among all the backends/frontends

[21:56:21]

stallione:

kormoc: thanks!

[21:58:54]

Beirdo:

OK, now using cutlist, and failing that, commercial flagging

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high-rez:

*blink*

[21:59:21]

Beirdo:

now to find how to trigger this ONLY for the commercial flagged menu entry

[21:59:44]

Beirdo:

and then I can test to make sure it ain't crashing the TV

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ummmm

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** Beirdo pokes GrahamIRC with a trout **

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Beirdo:

what gives?

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wagnerrp:

WTF

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high-rez:

Fsck The What ?

[22:33:36]

wagnerrp:

intel has migrated their official UPnP toolkit to a google hosted website, linked to with a DynDNS address

[22:34:10]

wagnerrp:

i figured something fishy was going on here... http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=UPnP&curid=3 . . . ;oldid=46592

[22:34:15]

AndyCap:

squeezed for cash?

[22:34:32]

wagnerrp:

but it seems to be entirely legitimate... http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2009/12 . . . echnologies/

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** AndyCap wonders what kind of bureaucratic hell it must be to get a subdomain on intel.com **

[22:36:07]

wagnerrp:

they /used/ to be hosted on the intel website

[22:36:19]

Beirdo:

oh this is cool.

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wagnerrp:

useful for the fixups youre working on?

[22:36:54]

** Beirdo watches the TV very carefully go silent while skipping commercials **

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Beirdo:

it could be

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AndyCap:

internal invoicing? :P

[22:37:22]

wagnerrp:

i actually did check the network block used by that site, and its owned by google

[22:37:35]

wagnerrp:

im not sure if thats more or less strange than if someone were hosting these off their home server

[22:37:52]

Beirdo:

could be on Google Apps

[22:38:37]

AndyCap:

still.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: looks like its all .NET stuff

[22:40:00]

Beirdo:

hahahahahaha

[22:40:09]

Beirdo:

it beautifully skips commercials

[22:40:14]

Beirdo:

but...

[22:40:32]

Beirdo:

I need to tell it that the PTS aren't contiguous or soemthing

[22:40:46]

Beirdo:

it just freezes for the correct amount of time for commercials

[22:40:53]

Beirdo:

then restarts

[22:40:56]

Beirdo:

heheh

[22:41:02]

Beirdo:

I'm getting there

[22:43:52]

Beirdo:

gotta say, blacked out commercials is a pretty good start

[22:46:13]

skd5aner:

"powered by Google Sites"

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Beirdo:

ah WTH did I break this time?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

forgot to initialize some variables in one branch of the code

[23:03:18]

Beirdo:

ooops

[23:04:34]

sphery:

I hate flash!

[23:04:46]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:04:51]

sphery:

"We're sorry, the Hulu player is not supported on 64 bit versions of Flash."

[23:04:57]

Beirdo:

urgh

[23:05:08]

sphery:

idiots can't even do cross-platform with a cross-platform platform

[23:05:39]

Beirdo:

ooooh, fencepost error

[23:05:50]

Beirdo:

len = end – start + 1, moron

[23:05:52]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

the TV is insisting on asking for the last byte of the file

[23:07:42]

Beirdo:

and I keep refusing

[23:07:43]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I don't get it

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Beirdo:

2010-08–07 16:09:43.154 llSize: 4426580320, uiTotTime: 5964

[23:18:47]

Beirdo:

2010-08–07 16:09:43.163 llOffset: 4426330321, llStartPos: 0, llSize: 5107736656

[23:18:51]

Beirdo:

I see.

[23:19:07]

Beirdo:

oh wait, no

[23:19:13]

Beirdo:

that should still work

[23:19:49]

Beirdo:

hmm?

[23:20:06]

Beirdo:

I tell it to send 250000 bytes... it sends 249999

[23:20:10]

Beirdo:

ummm

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kormoc:

Yay... there's a facebook movie now

[23:24:52]

kormoc:

and it's a thriller!

[23:25:27]

Beirdo:

oooooooh, it's actually trying to read the last byte of the file... +1

[23:32:27]

Beirdo:

muuuch better

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Beirdo:

now I gotta figure out how the Commercial Free menu is different from the All Recordings

[23:34:21]

Beirdo:

then remove the commercials PROPERLY

[23:40:05]

high-rez:

Beirdo

[23:40:08]

sphery:

heh, Hulu has a "Captions Beta"... You click it and it shows a "Heat Map" and a frame with the captions and timestamps. You just manually scroll through it while the show splayes a few inches above the captions.

[23:40:15]

Beirdo:

yeeees

[23:40:19]

high-rez:

I think the mime type for ogg is wrong in httprequest.cpp (libmythupnp)

[23:40:29]

Beirdo:

could be

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Beirdo:

what were you thinking it should be?

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high-rez:

s/audio\/ogg/application\/ogg

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high-rez:

according to a doc i'm reading

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Beirdo:

there's a note in the code

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high-rez:

i'll try it on my onkyo

[23:42:22]

Beirdo:

apparently many clients want audio

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high-rez:

well

[23:42:44]

wagnerrp:

facebook...movie?

[23:43:07]

high-rez:

Wouldn't it be better to follow the spec, and override the spec if the user agent is broken ?

[23:43:27]

Beirdo:

perhaps, but we don't support doing that yet

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high-rez:

It might be interesting to create a table where you can on the fly override these

[23:44:07]

high-rez:

for broken user agents..

[23:44:15]

Beirdo:

that's kinda planned

[23:45:01]

high-rez:

Cool

[23:46:35]

** Beirdo scratches his head **

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Beirdo:

this stuff is overly complicated

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high-rez:

Ok, verified my onkyo requires application/ogg not audio/ogg

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high-rez:

:(

[23:47:21]

high-rez:

*cough*better to follow the spec*cough*

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** high-rez ducks **

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Beirdo:

there is no real spec for MIME types

[23:48:42]

high-rez:

Well, my definition of spec means "works with my receiver" ;)

[23:49:30]

high-rez:

Hmm

[23:49:37]

high-rez:

Man these oggs are ultra high bitrate encoded

[23:51:09]

kormoc:

high-rez, according to xiph (the creators of ogg), we're using the correct mime type, http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and . . . _audio.2Fogg

[23:51:23]

kormoc:

.ogx is application/ogg

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high-rez:

yeah i read that too

[23:54:50]

high-rez:

But that's not what the comments in httprequest.cpp say ;)

[23:55:03]

high-rez:

and i always trust the myth developers over everyone else.

[23:56:32]

high-rez:

Actually it looks like they're trying to redefine it

[23:56:36]

high-rez:

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3534.txt

[23:56:58]

high-rez:

The original RFC entry says .ogg is application/ogg

[23:57:32]

kormoc:

%s/they're trying to/they have/

[23:58:46]

high-rez:

Which was probably a wrong thing to do. They should have created a new mime type.

[23:59:03]

high-rez:

Could you imagine if mime types for stuff thats actually used often were just changed ?

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