Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 6th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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android6011:

for digital, devices like the hvr 950q cpu doesnt matter for recording because no encoding is required right?

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wagnerrp:

recording? no

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wagnerrp:

however you still want some amount of power to run the database and scheduler

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android6011:

ya just making sure nothing extra would be required

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mzb:

interesting, now the slave isn't connecting to the master ... I'll redo mythtv-setup on the slave

[00:04:26]

mzb:

do I need to recreate the same storage groups on the slave?

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mzb:

or is it just looking for the same path as the master?

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wagnerrp:

looking for the same path

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mzb:

arrrghh!! ffs, now the dvb card isn't loading properly!

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

so no SG's defined on the slave at all

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mzb:

ah, not connecting because of tuner failure (slave backend dying)

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iamlindoro:

mzb, SGs defined on slaves are ovverrides

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mzb:

ok

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iamlindoro:

a Slave with no SGs defined expects to have all the master ones

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sphery:

mzb: and, really, a slave with no SG's defined is the way 99.9999999999% of systems should be configured

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sphery:

and the only reason the fractional percentage needs configuring differently is because of misconfiguration of the systems

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the guy says I am a bully, and am trying to bully him out of creating a myth replacement

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iamlindoro:

how is that possible? I keep telling him to do so!

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

thanks guys

[00:27:07]

mzb:

I've had to put the system into 'production' immediately (2 sick little girls in bed)

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mzb:

giving up on the tuner card

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mzb:

suspect interrupt issues with avermedia 777

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mzb:

(which is why I have had it sitting in a box up to now)

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mzb:

weird that I've been unable to get XvMC going on the box (FX5200)

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mzb:

but nm, it'll do for the day (or two)

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Beirdo:

OK... 2GB memory, 2*250G SATA drives, 1*DVD burner, 1*SATA PCI card added

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

now to install da Linux

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Beirdo:

have I expressed lately how much computers suck?

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Beirdo:

the 250GB Seagate from my pile.... seems to be DOA now

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Beirdo:

now.... I guess I could take 2 of the 300G ones that used to be part of my RAID set

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Beirdo:

or I could move the other 250G drive to the mythbox, reclaim the 120G one from there, and pair it with the other 120G drive

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Beirdo:

hmmm, let's watch some TV while I ponder

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: its because its a seagate

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Beirdo:

no it's not

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Beirdo:

it's because it's old and it died

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Shadow__X:

are we forgetting the seagate issues of about 2 years ago

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Beirdo:

are we forgetting that I said "it's old"

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Beirdo:

i.e. out of its 5 year warranty old

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Beirdo:

although I should double check, it may still have 1 year left :)

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Shadow__X:

gl

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Beirdo:

but I'd have to get off the couch :)

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Beirdo:

my apologies to the drive

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Beirdo:

it was the cheap SATA PCI card

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Beirdo:

one port is screwy...

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Beirdo:

moved it onto the single SATA port onboard, works just fine

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Beirdo:

what is it with some ubuntu desktop installs...

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Beirdo:

it didn't let me setup RAID or LVM at install time?!

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[R]:

you need the altenrate cd i think

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Beirdo:

I need a 32-bit server edition is what I need :)

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Beirdo:

bungholes

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Beirdo:

downloading the 32-bit server ISO :)

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Beirdo:

I dont' want desktop really anyways

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Beirdo:

but at least my drive seems OK

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Beirdo:

stupid crappy SATA card :)

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** wagnerrp paid $630 for his SATA card **

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[R]:

sounds like someone is overcompensating

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[R]:

wagnerrp: btw, thats what she said :P

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wagnerrp:

no way, it was like $250 off

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

wtf kind of solid gold sata card is this?

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wagnerrp:

12-port PCIe x8 RAID

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[R]:

ffs

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[R]:

12 port!?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its got to go, im out of space

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k-man:

when doing an svn up, and rebuilding from source, should you always do a make clean first?

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clever:

k-man: if the makefiles are writen properly, you shouldnt have to

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k-man:

i'm talking specificaly about mythtv

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k-man:

i had some issues before rebuilding and i think i had to do a make clean

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clever:

but sometimes #include files that are changed arent mentioned in the .pro file, so the makefile isnt 'writen properly'

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clever:

i usualy try just 'make' and if it does fail, i cd into that dir and clean just the area

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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clever:

if it still doesnt work, clean the whole thing and start over

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k-man:

i should write a script to rebuild it

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clever:

would be more correct to find out why you have to make clean and fix the .pro file so it never happens again

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k-man:

yeah maybe

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k-man:

i still want a script to compile it

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Beirdo:

why a script?

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k-man:

to save me a few keystrokes

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Beirdo:

I should share my top-level makefile sometime

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k-man:

Beirdo: yes, please share now :)

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Beirdo:

heh. kinda not ready to, it probably needs a tidying

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k-man:

i'll test it for you :)

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec

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Beirdo:

http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/Makefile

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Beirdo:

of course if you ain't using git, at least part of it will do you no good and will need a tweak ;)

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k-man:

is there a git repo of mythtv?

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Beirdo:

not officially

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Beirdo:

yet :)

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wagnerrp:

one of the devs maintains one for personal use

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Beirdo:

but one of the devs has one

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k-man:

really? is there a move towards git?

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wagnerrp:

there is discussion towards

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k-man:

interesting

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Beirdo:

there's a strong possibility of it, but it's not written in stone yet ;)

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wagnerrp:

there are some new features in a new version of subversion were going to test out, and if that doesnt work as planned, a move to get is an option

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Beirdo:

well, I dunno that THAT was decided either

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Beirdo:

I think that was suggested, but not really agreed on :)

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wagnerrp:

ok, there has been discussion on the topic

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Beirdo:

we need to close the loop on what's happening when :)

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wagnerrp:

well leave it at that

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k-man:

my completly unscientific survey indicates that many open source projects are moving to git these days

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Beirdo:

yeah, git is a very nice thing.. once you learn how to use it

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Beirdo:

it is a royal pain to learn though

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wagnerrp:

the single biggest problem with get is versioning

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k-man:

yeah, i have played with it a little and what i saw i liked, my only other experience being RCS, CVS and limited svn

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k-man:

oh and visual source safe, but that was too crap for words

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Beirdo:

but, for instance... I have about 7 branches locally with different patchsets in them

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wagnerrp:

checking out revision 25565 is a lot easier than checking out revision 5a68f4a8e5d5c46a8

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so my Makefile installs based on which branch I built on

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k-man:

nice

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Beirdo:

it works nicely for me anyways :)

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Beirdo:

now, time to go RE-re-install that dev box

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Beirdo:

10.04 32-bit Server

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k-man:

ls

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k-man:

oops, wrong window, sorry

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k-man:

i get this error when i try and build mythplugins: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/local/lib/libmyth-0.23.1.so', needed by `libmytharchive.so'. Stop

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wagnerrp:

do you not have mythtv installed?

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k-man:

yes i do have it installed

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k-man:

and it was compiled and installed from source

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Beirdo:

ahhh, non-graphical install :)

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Beirdo:

yay

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k-man:

oh, do you have to make install mythtv before you can build the plugins?

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Beirdo:

yes

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wagnerrp:

yes

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k-man:

oh....

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k-man:

that's.... annoying

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k-man:

what if you build and install mythtv, then encounter problems building the plugins – you will have to explain to shmbo why its not working

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k-man:

swmbo i mean

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Beirdo:

well, dunno, but that's the way it is :)

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

so, lowly user pirates a couple of songs, and gets hit for two million

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

somehow I doubt that

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wagnerrp:

corporation distributes busybox in violation of licensing and copyright on hundreds of thousands of tvs

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wagnerrp:

gets fined $90k

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Beirdo:

and this surprises you why?

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Beirdo:

remember the golden rule.

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Beirdo:

He who has the gold makes the rules.

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k-man:

nice one Beirdo :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: of course the busybox guy now has the rights to any unsold inventory that uses busybox code

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k-man:

did you see this: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/08/diy-acce . . . r+Australia)

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wagnerrp:

in other news... firesale on westinghouse tvs and monitors... everything... must... go!

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: wow, that could be quite a lot :)

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k-man:

why a firesale?

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wagnerrp:

whats he going to do with thousands of displays?

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k-man:

oh i get you

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Beirdo:

donate them to Open Source users? :)

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Beirdo:

I could use another TV and an LCD monitor

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

ive heard the westinghouse stuff was generally very inexpensive, for good reason

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Beirdo:

yeah, but it it's free, I'm interested :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo waits for 177 packages to be installed.... **

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Beirdo:

now I gotta figure out how to get my mythbox to run git:// :)

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Beirdo:

it shouldn't be hard

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Beirdo:

yay. haz devel box

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k-man:

Beirdo: what distro do you use?

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** wagnerrp finds it disturbing that /every/ command in the ubuntu docs on the wiki is prepended with 'sudo' **

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wagnerrp:

whats the point?

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wagnerrp:

if the user has full access by default, why not just let them run as root

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** kormoc shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

it just bothers me that theyre bastardizing the entire purpose of sudo

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justinh:

heh maybe they want everybody to use the sudo command by default – thereby sleepwalking into an easy rm -rf /

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justinh:

mmm sleepwalking

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wagnerrp:

does that bypass the restrictions in rm that otherwise prevent that?

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k-man:

i never quite understood why people love ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

my god man, get off the computer and go back to bed

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k-man:

what does it offer thats better than debian other than a bit of eye candy?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, he's a parent now, there's no sleep in his future anytime soon

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wagnerrp:

a bunch of GUI tools?

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k-man:

surely they are all available in debian?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you getting any family leave for this? or just taking vacation time?

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justinh:

I'm staying awake for a bit while my wife gets some more rest

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justinh:

2 weeks' statutory paternity leave. £135 a week from HM Govt

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justinh:

work used to pay. for 3 days :-\

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k-man:

justinh: new baby?

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justinh:

sucks being a parent in the UK.. but I guess less than in the US

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justinh:

k-man: yup. first night at home

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justinh:

problem is, apparently I just sleep through his crying. like I can help *that*

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k-man:

justinh: ah joy :)

[05:05:40]

k-man:

justinh: everything is now your fault, get used to it ;)

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wagnerrp:

heh, thats supposed to be almost hard wired not to happen

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justinh:

so I read somewhere

[05:06:35]

wagnerrp:

then again, i would sleep through the fire klaxon outside my dorm room freshman year

[05:07:03]

wagnerrp:

had to be a good 100dB even through that door

[05:07:22]

wagnerrp:

s/door/sheet of fiberboard

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k-man:

justinh: first baby?

[05:07:43]

justinh:

I used to be able to fall asleep when my polytechnic room mate played thrash metal loud

[05:07:46]

justinh:

k-man: yup

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k-man:

justinh: mine is 18 months old now

[05:09:09]

k-man:

i can't believe how quick its gone

[05:09:11]

wagnerrp:

my roommate would come back upstairs an hour later... 'ray, you sure got back up here quickly'... 'wait... what?'

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

midwife is coming sometime today. hopefully not too early

[05:11:35]

wagnerrp:

'course we averaged like two a week, with around a thousand freshmen all pushing back into the building at 3am

[05:11:46]

k-man:

funny thing on our first day home, he slept for like 7 hours straight, and we were, wow! this is easy!

[05:12:00]

wagnerrp:

took half an hour to get everyone back inside

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k-man:

hehe, that was the last time he slept for more than 4 hours

[05:12:07]

wagnerrp:

so i took all 11 flights of stairs

[05:12:25]

wagnerrp:

quick way to force youself back to sleep

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wagnerrp:

i still swear the UDF down the street paid people to pull the alarm

[05:13:11]

justinh:

k-man: he sleeps plenty during the day. figured he might, being born at 4.01am

[05:13:21]

wagnerrp:

(UDF = all night convenient store and deli)

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wagnerrp:

you think they actually have an internal clock at that age?

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justinh:

no idea. he's def. a bit of a nightowl though

[05:16:36]

justinh:

right that's it. need sleep now. suddenly can hardly keep my eyes open

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kormoc:

g'luck with that!

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** Beirdo twiddles the thumbs waiting for the build-deps to finish **

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wagnerrp:

you should watch some crazy scotsmen, i recommend 'so i married an axe murderer'

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Beirdo:

hehe

[05:29:58]

Beirdo:

that's a great movie

[05:30:33]

wagnerrp:

the old man makes the whole rest of the movie irrelevant

[05:32:33]

Beirdo:

got a piper down!

[05:34:11]

Beirdo:

so now I have a build box that's almost precisely the same speed as my prod box

[05:34:29]

Beirdo:

except it's 32 bit instead of 64

[05:35:50]

wagnerrp:

'i think most scotish cuisine is based on a dare'

[05:36:48]

Beirdo:

mmmm, haggis

[05:37:48]

Beirdo:

it is actually pretty good stuff

[05:38:41]

Beirdo:

blood sausage... not so much

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Beirdo:

to my tastes anyways

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: been a while, i didnt remember that 'piper down' scene

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

my favorite rendition of that song

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wagnerrp:

hey, thats dave attell

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Beirdo:

hehehe

[06:20:30]

Beirdo:

Top Gear... they were painting the crash test dummy marks on each others faces to pretend crash-test

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you use mythboinc?

[06:20:43]

Beirdo:

and they painted a phallus onto Jeremy's face

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Beirdo:

hehe

[06:21:03]

Beirdo:

so BBC pixelated it

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wagnerrp:

pixelated a permanent marker penis?

[06:21:47]

Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

and they say were puritanical

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no... but I'm the guy who was sending them all the messages on their discussion list

[06:27:10]

wagnerrp:

just wondered if you knew if it still worked

[06:27:22]

wagnerrp:

im guessing it was never ported to qt4/mythui

[06:27:33]

sphery:

(read the ones starting with "Stop spamming" and continuing down...)

[06:27:38]

sphery:

very likely

[06:27:46]

sphery:

have a 2008 date on version 1.0

[06:28:02]

wagnerrp:

im cleaning up the unofficial plugins page

[06:28:05]

sphery:

and screenshots are on a non-mythui theme

[06:28:15]

sphery:

I had never heard of it

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sphery:

though the only boinc manager I want is a command-line one

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sphery:

and besides, it's not the mythtv user that's doing boinc

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Beirdo:

fetchez la vache!

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sphery:

heh, that clip just came up today in a conversation I had

[06:32:44]

sphery:

so I watched it

[06:33:02]

sphery:

(in my conversation it was the "I told him we already got one." part)

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wagnerrp:

anyone good with wiki tables?

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Beirdo:

not me... way outta practise

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wagnerrp:

1642 days ago...

[06:51:58]

wagnerrp:

that would be... 0.17?

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wagnerrp:

0.16?

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Beirdo:

too long ago to care? :)

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k-man:

anyone running a recent build from trunk?

[07:11:30]

Beirdo:

maybe :)

[07:12:51]

k-man:

any chance you could quickly test if you see this bug? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8520 watch a recording and press "S" and see if the program guide displays correctly?

[07:13:52]

Beirdo:

seems to

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k-man:

cool thanks

[07:14:15]

k-man:

which theme are you using?

[07:15:15]

Beirdo:

Arclight

[07:15:32]

k-man:

ahh... i suspect its a problem with mythcenter only, nevermind

[07:20:04]

wagnerrp:

should nuvexport be listed as an unofficial addon?

[07:20:51]

k-man:

who are you asking?

[07:21:24]

wagnerrp:

beirdo

[07:21:35]

wagnerrp:

also, nuv2avi? outdated? abandoned?

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k-man:

yeah, i didn't think you were asking me :)

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wagnerrp:

i suppose it doesnt actually touch mythtv, only accesses direct filenames

[07:24:08]

wagnerrp:

so theres no way it could not work

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hmmm. nuvexport is pretty much an official addon

[07:35:18]

Beirdo:

lives in mythtv's extras part of the repo

[07:35:35]

Beirdo:

nuv2avi is pretty much.... abandoned at this point

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Beirdo:

I'm not sure if it's even available at the moment

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Beirdo:

although I could make it so relatively easily if anyone cared

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Beirdo:

it's only really useful for poor sods who still use framegrabbers, and with MPEG4

[07:39:42]

Beirdo:

that help?

[07:40:36]

Beirdo:

Note: there is no driver for SMSC LPC47M172 Super IO Fan Sensors yet.

[07:40:41]

Beirdo:

BAH!

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Beirdo:

woohoo, another setup ticket

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yay. work over

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justinh:

that wasn't bad for a 1st night

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oobe:

or even a 2nd night

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justinh:

1st night at home I meant :)

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ND-movie:

Hello everyone

[11:46:38]

ND-movie:

quick question... and this one comes straight outta left field

[11:47:11]

ND-movie:

i live in a house with a common cable network... several tv's in this building

[11:47:35]

ND-movie:

can i use a TV-R code to *re-encode* a cable signal onto the wire, so basically any tv in the house could pick it up?

[11:47:43]

ND-movie:

i know this seems more like a ham radio question lol

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justinh:

don't you mean an RF modulator?

[11:56:44]

justinh:

i.e. it takes composite video & audio & turns it into an RF signal an ordinary analogue TV can tune into

[11:57:34]

justinh:

the video quality of those things generally isn't very good though – and that assumes you can find a free channel

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wagnerrp:

generally cheap modulators dont interact well with existing signals on any channel

[12:01:00]

wagnerrp:

they have a huge swath of frequencies around the one they are set to, that are fuzzed out

[12:01:49]

ND-movie:

well i'm a ham... lol if i can get good modulation from a card, i'll take care of the rest

[12:02:12]

wagnerrp:

well youre not going to find a 'cheap modulator' in card form

[12:02:44]

wagnerrp:

youre looking a several hundred dollar card intended for a headend, which should have minimal overlap

[12:03:24]

ND-movie:

hmm

[12:04:33]

ND-movie:

well i suppose you *could* use a cheap card as long as the modulation is good, doesnt matter how splashy the signal is... but your problem would be that you would have to likely get some *nice* duet of filters to take care of the intermod and whatnot

[12:04:55]

ND-movie:

...and those things dont come cheap, especially if you would have to basically get them custom for one channel n such

[12:05:08]

wagnerrp:

im saying you wont be able to find a cheap /card/

[12:05:18]

ND-movie:

...Ah

[12:05:27]

wagnerrp:

consumer grade stuff is all going to be a little box with composite/svideo inputs

[12:05:51]

ND-movie:

idd

[12:05:56]

ND-movie:

hmmz

[12:06:31]

ND-movie:

yeah, this is probably going to end up a *lot* easier with a frontend for each tv

[12:07:01]

wagnerrp:

note that youre not going to get anything HD for under $500

[12:08:10]

wagnerrp:

if you want to pump HD video, this is the only thing i know off http://www.zeevee.com/residential

[12:08:32]

wagnerrp:

unless again, you went with high end broadcast/headend gear

[12:09:09]

ND-movie:

...you know something interesting i just thought of

[12:09:38]

ND-movie:

a question.. is it possible for MythTV to work with Digital Cable broadcasts? perhaps with a CableCARD?

[12:09:54]

ND-movie:

i know this is a likely no

[12:09:55]

ND-movie:

but

[12:10:02]

justinh:

no but

[12:10:03]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[12:10:11]

ND-movie:

well that would be rather awesome

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[12:10:23]

justinh:

no CableCARD stuff will work in linux (yet)

[12:10:26]

wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot use cablecard without violating all sorts of laws

[12:10:32]

justinh:

the (yet) part being a big question mark

[12:10:59]

ND-movie:

hmm, interesting

[12:11:11]

justinh:

there was a hint, not backed up by fact that cablecard without restrictive DRM may be possible soon.. but other than that.. nada

[12:11:58]

wagnerrp:

no, there was a big indicator that we would be able to use a HDHomeRun Prime (cablecard triple tuner)

[12:12:12]

wagnerrp:

but it would only be for 'copy freely' content

[12:12:26]

wagnerrp:

stuff flagged to not be covered under restrictive DRM

[12:12:45]

wagnerrp:

which could very possibly amount to exactly nothing

[12:12:54]

ND-movie:

which is bullshit

[12:13:01]

wagnerrp:

there is no requirement that cable companies broadcast anything 'copy freely'

[12:13:10]

wagnerrp:

and please mind the language in this channel

[12:13:15]

ND-movie:

because Fair Use laws *explicitly* allow for VCR recorings

[12:13:17]

ND-movie:

(sorry)

[12:13:28]

wagnerrp:

sure, you can record all you want

[12:13:30]

ND-movie:

i believe there was a really nice courtcase on it in 84

[12:13:42]

wagnerrp:

you just cant decrypt without helping the terrorists and killing babies

[12:13:51]

ND-movie:

see, and thats the problem

[12:14:20]

ND-movie:

is this mentality of "Sure we dont have to, but why not encrypt the heck out of everything we possibly can?' is exactly why torrents are so popular

[12:15:00]

wagnerrp:

technically, there has yet to be legal precedent attacking a individual consumer over what would typically be considered 'fail use'

[12:15:44]

ND-movie:

The HDHomeRun TECH can be controlled by C library code for a wide range of customized applications. For OEM integration information please contact

[12:15:46]

wagnerrp:

but they fervently go after companies and individuals that may distribute software that could bypass the encrption

[12:15:57]

wagnerrp:

the TECH is not cablecard

[12:15:57]

ND-movie:

FTW, sounds like a good hackable platform to me

[12:16:09]

ND-movie:

sad pand

[12:16:13]

ND-movie:

*panda

[12:16:26]

wagnerrp:

and for half the price, you may as well get the HDHR (normal), which is only lacking multicast streaming

[12:16:42]

ND-movie:

you know honestly, i'm shocked that nobody has written a driver for CableCARD yet

[12:16:46]

wagnerrp:

the TECH is meant for commercial installations feeding multiple frontends directly

[12:16:56]

wagnerrp:

the normal and single tuner versions are intended for end users

[12:17:04]

ND-movie:

its basically a PCI interface isnt it?

[12:17:09]

wagnerrp:

what?

[12:17:23]

ND-movie:

PCMCIA slots

[12:17:36]

ND-movie:

are PCI repackaged

[12:17:39]

wagnerrp:

probably

[12:17:41]

wagnerrp:

however

[12:17:43]

ND-movie:

if i remember correctly

[12:17:56]

wagnerrp:

outside the US, there is no worth to spending time on such a project

[12:18:10]

wagnerrp:

inside the US, there is the probable end result of fines and jail time

[12:18:18]

ND-movie:

for what?

[12:18:27]

wagnerrp:

DMCA violations

[12:18:43]

ND-movie:

meh

[12:18:45]

wagnerrp:

you cant just break encryption willy-nilly these days

[12:18:56]

wagnerrp:

its a felony offense

[12:18:57]

ND-movie:

i'm not a lawyer, but even if that would apply

[12:19:07]

ND-movie:

thats never stoped linux devs ^^

[12:19:55]

wagnerrp:

actually, it has

[12:20:09]

** ND-movie is thinking of a law that explicity allows cable consumers to use any cable box, which is why cablecards were made **

[12:20:19]

ND-movie:

now i dont know if that would cover a homebrew/FOSS solution

[12:20:25]

ND-movie:

but its an interesting legal question

[12:20:56]

wagnerrp:

no, its just plain illegal

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wagnerrp:

breaking encryption on copywrited material is a felony offense, and there is no way any open source project will every get properly authorized for any DRM scheme

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ND-movie:

http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/t/85428.aspx

[12:22:20]

ND-movie:

interesting

[12:22:59]

ND-movie:

apparently there is a CableCard tuner

[12:23:10]

ND-movie:

and its certified by CardLabs

[12:23:23]

wagnerrp:

yes

[12:24:02]

wagnerrp:

cablecard has been around for almost half a decade

[12:24:13]

ND-movie:

no...thats a PC tuner

[12:24:38]

wagnerrp:

but no one ever bothered producing products for it because the license restrictions from CableLabs were too harsh

[12:25:12]

wagnerrp:

end result, up until last year, you could count the total number of cablecard certified devices on your fingers

[12:25:42]

wagnerrp:

so the FCC deemed cablecard a failure, started drawing up specs for a replacement

[12:26:10]

johnnyj:

hey guys – are prebuffering messages in the log normal during a skip fwd ? http://pastebin.ca/1911897

[12:26:51]

wagnerrp:

and lo, CableLabs lowered the cost and requirements of certification and licensing from unusably high, to merely very high

[12:27:00]

wagnerrp:

so we see all these devices entering the market

[12:27:27]

wagnerrp:

as a last gasp to keep the tech alive in favor of something else that may take control away from them

[12:27:32]

ND-movie:

http://www.amd.com/us/products/pctv/tv-wonder . . . e-tuner.aspx

[12:27:39]

ND-movie:

ATI makes one too, hmm

[12:27:52]

wagnerrp:

that was the only PC tuner made for several years

[12:28:03]

wagnerrp:

and no one every bought them... because you couldnt buy them

[12:28:13]

ND-movie:

yeah apparently their newest HD tuner has cablecard support

[12:28:15]

wagnerrp:

you could /only/ purchase one as an OEM

[12:28:45]

wagnerrp:

at which point the card was permanently registered to the computer, and installed operating system

[12:28:57]

wagnerrp:

such that you could not reuse or resell the tuner

[12:29:22]

ND-movie:

Ooh, they have one in USB2.0 format?

[12:29:29]

wagnerrp:

its only USB2.0

[12:29:45]

** ND-movie wont have to purpose build a box for his dream MythTV installtion after all **

[12:30:00]

ND-movie:

is that bad?

[12:30:13]

wagnerrp:

mythtv and cablecard will not mix, period

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ND-movie:

You dont think so?

[12:31:49]

** ND-movie wonders why not **

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wagnerrp:

because its DRM

[12:32:06]

wagnerrp:

you cannot do DRM in open source software

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ND-movie:

so?

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ND-movie:

why not beat around the bush

[12:33:14]

ND-movie:

develop mostly *as if* the entire stream was unencrypted

[12:33:32]

ND-movie:

...and then someone would have to make a program that does the secret sauce seperately

[12:33:49]

** ND-movie is speaking in some pretty god da** bigg generalities here **

[12:33:58]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: the secret sauce is end to end control.

[12:34:51]

ND-movie:

aah.

[12:35:01]

wagnerrp:

were someone to develop some external library to fake the tuner into thinking you had provided end-to-end control, and output the content in a decrypt-able fashion

[12:35:12]

wagnerrp:

the primary use of such a tool would be for cable theft

[12:35:18]

wagnerrp:

not legitimate access

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ND-movie:

true

[12:35:43]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv will not partake in any tools such as that

[12:36:41]

ND-movie:

but i'm not so sure that developing an extention to a CableCard-equipped tuner directly violates DRM, because the software itself does not remove the encryption, the hardware does... all it does is provide directional control of the device

[12:36:54]

** ND-movie is thinking out loud and probably doesn't know what he is talking about, BTW **

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I don't see how that would enable cable theft any more than regular CAM's

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ND-movie:

i dunno, it just seems to me like the argument that enabling mythTV to work with CableCARD tuners is illegal is tantamount to saying that writing a program that can control robotic CD/DVD drives is illegal

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AndyCap:

but it would probably violate half the clauses in your contract. :P

[12:38:35]

ND-movie:

o_O mythTV has a contract?

[12:38:55]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: no, your cable company does

[12:38:59]

ND-movie:

aah

[12:39:07]

ND-movie:

even so, there has to be a workable solution around this

[12:39:20]

ND-movie:

perhaps a closed source SDK that takes care of this

[12:39:25]

** ND-movie thinks of Zend **

[12:39:27]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: because youre bypassing encryption

[12:39:30]

AndyCap:

ir control and hdpvr, but that's pretty sucky compared to it

[12:39:39]

ND-movie:

(meaning that Zend is the same idea to PHP)

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wagnerrp:

while with hardware CAMs, the CAM actually handles decryption for you, after ensuring you have proper access

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so would a cable card as far as I can tell

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ND-movie:

wagnerrp: isnt that what a cablecard *is*?

[12:40:29]

ND-movie:

is a hardware CAM?

[12:40:39]

wagnerrp:

no, its hardware DRM

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wagnerrp:

there is never any intention of giving you the unencrypted content

[12:41:05]

wagnerrp:

so any mechanism by which you obtain it is breaking the encryption

[12:41:19]

wagnerrp:

and if you can break it a little bit, you can break it a lot

[12:41:25]

AndyCap:

*cough*libaacs*cough*

[12:41:53]

wagnerrp:

only works on stuff that you have a hard copy of in your physical possession

[12:41:57]

AndyCap:

and no. using it in unauthorized player devices is not equal to people getting access to unauthorized cable

[12:42:19]

AndyCap:

not any more than people sharing recored video

[12:42:28]

AndyCap:

recorded..

[12:42:33]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: its the same argument as that against allowing things like the dbox, r5000, and softcams in mythtv

[12:42:56]

wagnerrp:

it /can/ be used to access legally purchased content, but its far more often used to steal content

[12:44:40]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: assuming they weren't totally stupid when designing it, the decryption should occur in the cablecard

[12:44:59]

AndyCap:

then get reencrypted with the devices key

[12:45:20]

justinh:

I love the dichotomy of the legal stuff. they do crazy drm related things to prevent piracy, and yet if there was very little piracy there'd be so much freedom – and yet piracy is rife

[12:45:25]

AndyCap:

so it's not a massive engine of piracy like softcams.

[12:45:49]

wagnerrp:

justinh: drm isnt to prevent piracy

[12:46:00]

justinh:

they *tell us* it is

[12:46:23]

wagnerrp:

well sure, if they told us it was to restrict the paying customer, we would have none of it

[12:49:32]

AndyCap:

it's not like it's any different for the regular cable user

[12:49:56]

AndyCap:

heh, pvrs deliver even more features than the regular analog box

[12:50:18]

wagnerrp:

no, but the regular cable user is a good little customer who stays locked within the cable company hardware

[12:56:33]

AndyCap:

anyhow, software that would enable cabalcard usage on linux wouldn't be any different from the hdfury in terms of breaking encryption.

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ND-movie:

so apparently i've been talking in the wrong channel for like the last 10 min

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ND-movie:

i've been reading about this.. supposedly the current modus operendi of all cablecard tuners

[12:58:30]

ND-movie:

is that they decrypt the cable signal at one end

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ND-movie:

and re-encrypt it with DRM

[12:58:45]

ND-movie:

specifically, a microsoft format specially made for this purpose

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wagnerrp:

correct, end-to-end encryption

[12:59:04]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: that would be windows media center right?

[12:59:08]

ND-movie:

correct

[12:59:16]

AndyCap:

I don't see a tivo doing that. :P

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wagnerrp:

no, windows media center cannot decrypt the content

[12:59:28]

ND-movie:

so basically someone needs to write a nasty, little highly illegal library to decrypt this stuff

[12:59:54]

ND-movie:

wagnerrp: no, WMC is compatable with that file format

[12:59:57]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: and then get hunted down by lawyers. :P

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ND-movie:

heh, yay bittorrent!

[13:00:16]

wagnerrp:

you have to provide a secure data pathway to the video card

[13:00:17]

justinh:

sigh

[13:00:31]

justinh:

yeah secure, and that means not having access to the source code

[13:00:35]

justinh:

;)

[13:00:37]

ND-movie:

well

[13:00:45]

wagnerrp:

at which point the content passes back through the cablecard for decryption, and straight to the video card for decoding and playback

[13:00:49]

ND-movie:

i, for one, would not mind dancing with the devil if it gets me what

[13:00:52]

ND-movie:

*i want

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ND-movie:

and it would be awfuly cool of microsoft to provide a closed source library for us to work with

[13:01:19]

ND-movie:

...of course, this being linux, it will be a cold day in hell

[13:01:21]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: that would be downright stupid of them

[13:01:33]

Gibby:

anyway to get myth to stream mkv files to PS3? It streams all my AVI movies,.

[13:01:37]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: and the point is that you have to trust all the components in the chain

[13:01:50]

AndyCap:

Gibby: look at a different upnp server that transcodes?

[13:01:52]

ND-movie:

mmm

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: the mythtv upnp server does not provide transcoding or re-multiplexing

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wagnerrp:

you can only stream content that your player can handle directly

[13:02:20]

AndyCap:

Gibby: ps3mediaserver for instane

[13:02:59]

Gibby:

AndyCap: That is what I have been using for the past year, would like to have myth do it all :)

[13:03:20]

ND-movie:

ok guys give this a listen

[13:03:21]

ND-movie:

http://www.geektonic.com/2007/04/will-cableca . . . ome-for.html

[13:03:31]

ND-movie:

Ah yes, there's always a catch isn't there? PVRWire outlined a few gotcha's with the CableCard support for HTPC's.

[13:03:32]

ND-movie:

Only certified manufacturers will be able to create media center PCs with CableCard support – no homebrew PC's are allowed to use CableCards

[13:03:32]

ND-movie:

Any video coming through the CableCard must be protected from the evil-doers (read you, the HTPC user) and fully-laden with DRM. Microsoft has created their own proprietary version of the mpeg file they call the DVR-MS file. This is a "protected" or DRM'd version of the Mpeg-2 that is used by most other PVR software programs.

[13:03:32]

ND-movie:

All files stored on the HTPC hard drive must be encrypted. No copying of those files and no placeshifting to V1 MCE extenders or the Zune or other portable media devices is permitted.

[13:03:37]

AndyCap:

ND-movie: trust the os not to let people interfere with drivers, trust the video driver to enable hdcp, trust the videocodec not to steal the cleartext data. :9

[13:03:48]

wagnerrp:

do not paste more than two lines into this channel at a time

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ND-movie:

yeah sorry

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ND-movie:

i'm used to using NNS, with its nifty slow-paste

[13:04:43]

wagnerrp:

ND-movie: the whole windows driver signing architecture ties nicely into what AndyCap mentioned

[13:05:10]

ND-movie:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

the drivers have to be reviewed and authorized by microsoft, before allowing output from a cablecard tuner

[13:05:14]

ND-movie:

(in any case this boils down to a vanilla case of breaking DRM of a protocol)

[13:05:30]

ND-movie:

you think the cablecard actually checks for that?

[13:05:34]

ND-movie:

*err the tuner

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Gibby:

any reason I shouldn't run ps3mediaserver on my backend?

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: it wont work if you have mythbackend running with a upnp server

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AndyCap:

ND-movie: oh, and each device have to be authorized by the headned. :P

[13:06:10]

AndyCap:

headend.

[13:06:14]

wagnerrp:

which will always be active so long as you have mythtv set up to listen on a network accessible address

[13:06:30]

wagnerrp:

make sure you run the upnp server you wish to use, before starting mythbackend

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Gibby:

wagnerrp: so when the server boots ps3mediaserver should start before the backend?

[13:07:48]

wagnerrp:

yes

[13:08:13]

ND-movie:

*interesting*

[13:08:18]

ND-movie:

according to a forum

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ND-movie:

ffmpeg -i NAME_OF_FILE.dvr-ms -vcodec copy -acodec copy OUTPUT.mpg

[13:08:21]

wagnerrp:

only one upnp program can be active on a system at any given time

[13:08:28]

ND-movie:

will convert dvr-ms to mpg

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Gibby:

anyway to disable the UPNP on the backend permentatly?

[13:08:50]

wagnerrp:

ND-movie: no, it will remultiplex unencrypted dvr-ms files to mpeg

[13:08:58]

ND-movie:

mmm

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wagnerrp:

wont do anything to encrypted content

[13:09:11]

wagnerrp:

will probably barf on a stream error

[13:09:42]

ND-movie:

what would the files be encrypted *with*?

[13:10:05]

wagnerrp:

algorithms?

[13:10:39]

wagnerrp:

whatever it is, the keys are only going to exist within the nvram of the cablecard tuner

[13:11:04]

ND-movie:

and the softwaer

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ND-movie:

*software

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wagnerrp:

no, it is encrypted by the tuner, not WMC

[13:11:50]

ND-movie:

specifically the format is an encrypted ASF stream

[13:12:10]

ND-movie:

so i would bet if someone broke ASF encryption, then your halfway hoem

[13:12:11]

ND-movie:

*home

[13:13:37]

ND-movie:

But what do i know? I'm a bear!

[13:15:45]

wagnerrp:

going to serve us beer and suck the heads off fish now?

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ND-movie:

lol

[13:17:27]

ND-movie:

great movie

[13:17:29]

ND-movie is now known as NightDragon

[13:17:31]

NightDragon:

http://undrm.info/remove-DRM-protection/Autom . . . ecryptIt.htm

[13:17:38]

NightDragon:

oh look, someone brok ASF

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wagnerrp:

i guarantee that does not remove whatever cablecard puts on it

[13:18:24]

NightDragon:

...cablecard doesnt put anything on it

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wagnerrp:

yes... the cablecard tuner encrypts the content internally before passing it to WMC

[13:20:17]

NightDragon:

--<cable company encrypted DVB>-- --<cablecard>-- --<firmware dvr-ms encoding> ----{on to computer}-->

[13:20:22]

NightDragon:

looks like the line

[13:20:50]

NightDragon:

the cablecard and the encoding are within the tuner, but the cablecard *itself* doesnt encode is what i'm getting at

[13:21:06]

NightDragon:

what probably happens is that the decoding and encoding all go on inside the firmware

[13:21:37]

NightDragon:

and since its probably integrated, there is no physical ciruct (or w/e) where unencrypted video is sent

[13:21:38]

NightDragon:

*but*

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NightDragon:

dvr-ms is a microsoft format, that basically uses ASX encryption plus a few extra meta tags

[13:22:30]

NightDragon:

since someone actually has sucessfully attacked ASX, my guess is that it should not be too hard to break the dvr-ms codec

[13:22:55]

wagnerrp:

if that were true, someone would have done so

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NightDragon:

If that philsophy were sound at all, we would all be sitting in a cave right now wondering if rocks were edible

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wagnerrp:

we didnt have threatening lawyers in the stone age

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NightDragon:

heh

[13:25:25]

NightDragon:

touche

[13:25:43]

NightDragon:

actually, Requiem comes with source... lets see if i can find some useful code here

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justinh:

Gibby: IIRC mythbackend --help will reveal what you need to know

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wagnerrp:

forgot about that, there is the '--noupnp' flag

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justinh:

wth? bloomin autozoom is annoying

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wagnerrp:

autozoom? your camera zoom itself to make a head fit a certain size?

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justinh:

during playback

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Gibby:

justinh: I just modified the upstart job to include --noupnp, I think it will work hopefully :)\

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NightDragon:

wagnerrp: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeme2

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NightDragon:

a FOSS project specifically designed to decode .asf

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NightDragon:

(and WMV)

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NightDragon:

wagnerrp: apparently, FFmpeg does have ASF decryption suppot

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NightDragon:

in the source, the file is asfcrypt.c, if you care to look it up

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iamlindoro:

That's just simple DES en/decryption, and has nothing to do with the DRM applied by cabelcard

[13:53:58]

iamlindoro:

what's more, discussion of removing DRM is offlimits in this channel

[13:54:03]

iamlindoro:

Please take it elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp is correct, there is a further layer of DRM applied to cablecard recordings for which there is no public method of removal, and as far as this project is concerned, that's the way it will remain

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blizzard_:

Is there any easy way of getting an overview of what's going on on the other channels while watching?

[13:57:13]

blizzard_:

channel listing for example?

[13:57:44]

wagnerrp:

the default behavior for 'up' and 'down' is to give a popup of the guide data without changing the channel

[13:57:51]

wagnerrp:

alternatively you can pull up the on screen guide

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blizzard_:

the "up/down" way doesnt give an overview really

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blizzard_:

on screen guide sounds more like what im looking for

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean by an 'overview'

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blizzard_:

like one page on the screen that gives 10 channels or so with current program, EPG and so on

[13:59:29]

blizzard_:

similar to when you schedule a recording

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blizzard_:

Im searching for something like that, zapping friendly

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the on screen guide

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blizzard_:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ww . . . QP&oei=f

[14:01:19]

blizzard_:

like that

[14:01:24]

blizzard_:

yikes, that was a long URL =)

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blizzard_:

can I get the screen guide while watching? or do I need to quit watching and click my way to it?

[14:01:49]

wagnerrp:

yes, thats the on screen guide

[14:06:05]

blizzard_:

can I do a keybinding or similar to make that pop up with a keypress while watching TV?

[14:06:50]

Gibby:

fyi: adding the --noupnp to the upstart config disabled UPNP on the backend

[14:10:01]

AndyCap:

Gibby: btw can't you move the ps3mediaserver to a different port?

[14:11:35]

Gibby:

AndyCap: I think so, but I only need 1 UPNP server.... I am not using any frontend's yet just to my xbox360 and ps3

[14:12:02]

AndyCap:

Gibby: well, I quite like being able to watch my recordings on the ps3

[14:12:34]

Gibby:

AndyCap: Yes, I should be able to just add the directory to ps3mediaserver of where the recordings go, the only recordings I am doing now are from Miro

[14:12:36]

AndyCap:

you could fudge that with mythlink and ps3mediaserver too I guess

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Gibby:

AndyCap: Wish someone would develop a bootable CD from the PS3/Xbox360... Kinda like the netflix bootable CD

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: no, you must listen for unicast traffic on port 1900 for UPNP to work

[14:14:36]

wagnerrp:

since only one program can do that at a time...

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** AndyCap wil have to experiment when he gets home **

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wagnerrp:

if you can come up with a way to make it work otherwise, i would love to know

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wagnerrp:

if you understand python, you might want to check out the MSearch utility in the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

trunk python bindings

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Gibby:

hmmm as soon as work slows down a little bit, I will try :) had 90hrs last week

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wagnerrp:

was speaking to AndyCap, for his experimenting

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Gibby:

lol hard to keep track sometimes

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I'll take a look, but I'm not going to claim that I understand python. :P

[14:24:13]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: just stating that as an optional place to start

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Gibby:

does the backend have to auto login to start?

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wagnerrp:

autologin?

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Gibby:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

autologin for what?

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sid3windr:

dudum tshh

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ND-movie:

hey, simple question

[15:05:07]

ND-movie:

is it easy/possible to have a multi-user functionality for the MythTV backend?

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wagnerrp:

probably not what youre looking for

[15:05:54]

wagnerrp:

you can run the backend as any user with proper file permissions

[15:06:03]

wagnerrp:

but there ie no user-based division of content

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ND-movie:

damn.

[15:06:45]

ND-movie:

how hard is it to write a plugin?

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ND-movie:

(as in a simple plugin that just plaintext auth's against a mysql db)

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ND-movie:

*-db +table

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wagnerrp:

what would that do?

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ND-movie:

i live in a house with a lot of people but i'm going to be personally hosting the server, and i want first picks at timeslots :)

[15:08:46]

wagnerrp:

user support and security is not something that can be added lightly through a plugin

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wagnerrp:

it will take sweeping rewrites through the entire code base

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ND-movie:

basically you would have 2 (or more, i'll probably have only 2) levels of users — full access, where you can schedule and cancel shows, and 'limited' where you could only add on free timeslots

[15:09:29]

ND-movie:

well, i would imagine you would have to do a couple of things

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ND-movie:

a) write the login page, where you would auth

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skd5aner:

ND-movie: multi-user functionality has been discussed heavily in the past, but liek wagnerrp said, it's something that would take a lot of time and effort to implement correctly

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wagnerrp:

several years ago, someone tried, and failed, to do it as a GSoC project

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ND-movie:

b) put calls (pretty much consisting of an if/else) at the appropriate functions

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ND-movie:

justing doing *that* couldn't take *that* much work, could it?

[15:11:13]

wagnerrp:

you would be surprised

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skd5aner:

guess he didn't like your answer

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johnnyj:

so mythtarchive on .23-fixes is going to the log viewer screen and seemingly doing nothing

[15:13:07]

johnnyj:

ie: not burning, like it used to

[15:13:21]

johnnyj:

s/mytht/myth/

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skd5aner:

check the logs it's writing... I don't remember where they are

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skd5aner:

when that has happened to me in the past, it's due to a missing component usually

[15:13:50]

ND-movie:

lol yeah probably

[15:14:17]

ND-movie:

what i'll probably end up doing is giving the other guys in the house samba access, but keeping the mythtv functionality for myself

[15:14:36]

skd5aner:

ND-movie: uPNP

[15:14:42]

ND-movie:

?

[15:14:52]

skd5aner:

let them access the recordings via UPNP

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wagnerrp:

if youve got scheduling conflicts, add more tuners

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ND-movie:

pssh, why should i spend money for them?

[15:15:29]

ND-movie:

(i live in a fraternity)

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skd5aner:

ding ding ding – I win, I guessed frat

[15:15:45]

wagnerrp:

have them buy you a tuner if they want access

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johnnyj:

oh right, it logs outside of the mythfrontend process...

[15:15:56]

johnnyj:

ImportError: No module named MySQLdb strikes again

[15:16:04]

skd5aner:

johnnyj: :)

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ND-movie:

skd5aner: its easy enough to have two levels of privlages in samba

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ND-movie:

i want people to be able to add files

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ND-movie:

just not remove them ,hehe

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skd5aner:

ND-movie: but I don't know what samba is buying you? You want them to add videos to mythvideo?

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skd5aner:

ND-movie: in that case, ok...

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ND-movie:

well, mythvideo just scans specified folders, doesnt it?

[15:17:09]

skd5aner:

ND-movie: yes

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ND-movie:

so yeah, basically

[15:17:28]

skd5aner:

ND-movie: I was just suggesting that they could playback the content through UPNP

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wagnerrp:

but if they dont have a frontend, mythvideo wont do anything for them

[15:17:57]

ND-movie:

they can still phsyicaly access the files through samba

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skd5aner:

ND-movie: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP

[15:18:06]

wagnerrp:

note that there is /no/ concept of security in mythtv

[15:18:22]

skd5aner:

in fact, it's a death trap... WATCH OUT!

[15:18:23]

skd5aner:

;)

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wagnerrp:

anyone with a bit of computer skills and a grudge could delete everythign with ease

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ND-movie:

thats fine; this low-level kind of stuff can be handled with samba

[15:18:35]

ND-movie:

Anything else, admiral akbar? :-P

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ND-movie:

wagner: not if i create a seperate user group with seperate permissions

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wagnerrp:

not true

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skd5aner:

ND-movie: even if you don't delete the files, you can still delete everything in DB

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wagnerrp:

mythprotocol is a dangerous tool

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ND-movie:

...who says they will be given the db pass?

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wagnerrp:

you dont even need database access to delete things

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skd5aner:

the frontend acts with full permissions

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skd5aner:

to the db

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ND-movie:

the frontend would be in my room

[15:20:23]

wagnerrp:

is the frontend in the same machine as your backend?

[15:20:29]

johnnyj:

skd5aner: it's working fine now, thanks for the reminder

[15:20:53]

skd5aner:

johnnyj: np, I've had to deal with that one enough times that it was a quick and easy answer ;)

[15:21:33]

ND-movie:

wagner: yes

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wagnerrp:

so you have your backend set to only listen on 127.0.0.1?

[15:22:19]

ND-movie:

basically the idea is that its a MythTV box for me, and just a read-only samba server for everyone else

[15:22:53]

ND-movie:

(well read, and whatever funky unix permissions enable 'dropbox' style file access, write and access but nothing else)

[15:23:05]

wagnerrp:

if yes, then you will need to use something like mythlink.pl to provide human readable filenames, and push them out over samba

[15:23:10]

wagnerrp:

because upnp will not work

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ND-movie:

well i was planning on perhaps giving access to mythweb

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wagnerrp:

if no, then i can delete anything in your system, from anywhere on your network

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wagnerrp:

and there is no trivial way to prevent it

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ND-movie:

even in mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb has delete rights

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wagnerrp:

and there is no limited user support

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ND-movie:

...okay, then there are a few jury rigged ways i can think to do this

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ND-movie:

the one that comes off the top of my head

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ND-movie:

is two virtual apache servers

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ND-movie:

so basically your hosting two copies of mythweb

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ND-movie:

one for me

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ND-movie:

which is the vanilla version

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ND-movie:

and then the one for the users, i would manually take out all of the 'delete' functionality

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wagnerrp:

only if you really hack up mythweb to remove all the delete functionality

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ND-movie:

is it php?

[15:25:37]

wagnerrp:

yes

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ND-movie:

then it shouldn't be too difficult.

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AndyCap:

ND-movie: just very messy. :P

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** ND-movie has experience with php **

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ND-movie:

its jury-rigged, i'll give you that

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ND-movie:

but it would get the job done

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, all of this will have to be on one single system

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ND-movie:

right

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wagnerrp:

or else any security goes right out the window

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ND-movie:

well, security is more or less going out the system anyways (plaintext apache auth = blech)

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ND-movie:

*window

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ND-movie:

but these guys arent kevin mitnik

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wagnerrp:

well neither am i, but a five year old could break through myth protocol

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ND-movie:

i'm honestly very suprised however that mythtv hasn't put in multi-user support

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ND-movie:

...you know, considering that unix is a multi-user operating system :-P

[15:29:20]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is intended as an appliance

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wagnerrp:

not as something you have to log into

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ND-movie:

well thats fair

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wagnerrp:

of course with several of the devs now with children, i would expect someone to scratch the need for improved security one of these days

[15:30:28]

wagnerrp:

either that, or just teach their kids properly, dont f-- with my stories

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ND-movie:

however with some work, it could become near a replacement for hotel media systems in the next 10 years or so

[15:30:49]

ND-movie:

plugins written for 'purchased content' and what not

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ND-movie:

i know that seems whack, but its not *too* far off from what you guys do now

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wagnerrp:

there /are/ hotels that use mythtv does distributed media systems

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wagnerrp:

and a residential ISP/cableco

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ND-movie:

really? thats pretty cool

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skd5aner:

lol, "stories"

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wagnerrp:

some guy wired up his neighborhood with cat6, licensed his own satellite feeds, and bought some fat trunk line

[15:35:21]

skd5aner:

and that guy has too much time and money on his hands

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Captain_Murdoch:

time came first, then the money. ;)

[15:35:36]

wagnerrp:

free time and money? thats his job

[15:35:58]

wagnerrp:

you think he gives that to his neighbors for free?

[15:36:00]

skd5aner:

obviously, I don't get it

[15:36:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

he had the time, now he makes the money.

[15:36:41]

skd5aner:

well, I didn't say it was "free" ;)

[15:37:02]

skd5aner:

actually – I never used the word free

[15:37:12]

wagnerrp:

come place in canada, i cant seem to find the article

[15:37:19]

skd5aner:

anyway – still crazy. Cool, but crazy

[15:38:10]

wagnerrp:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2004/pulpi . . . _000460.html

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wagnerrp:

not wired, seems hes using p2p 802.11a links

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: thanks

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skd5aner:

ah, Cringely

[15:39:13]

wagnerrp:

s/ah/i/

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skd5aner:

indeed

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skd5aner:

also, can you hook up vonage to an asterisk system?

[15:40:30]

skd5aner:

I didn't think you could

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wagnerrp:

certainly

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wagnerrp:

vonage is just SIP

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wagnerrp:

most VOIP providers use SIP, some allow IAX too

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skd5aner:

yea, but how do you obtain the vonage SIP info for use outside of one of their devices?

[15:41:43]

wagnerrp:

why create your own protocol, when you can use the industry standard for free, and get all that pre-engineered hardware to boot

[15:41:55]

wagnerrp:

you could probably just call them up and get it

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I believe that's the problem, not that they use a standard protocol, but that they keep it closed

[15:42:29]

wagnerrp:

why would they care to?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: support reasons

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skd5aner:

they only want to support the devices they authorize

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Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, you can get the vonage business account and get sip credentials

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skd5aner:

if I call in and say I'm running an asterisk server, they're going to say "tough" and hang up... but they don't want to be put in a position where they ahve to do that

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skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: ah, ok – I could see that

[15:43:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think it's ~150 a month

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wagnerrp:

ouch

[15:43:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

and with the old vonage communicator you could get them from that, but that service has been disabled for a year or so. :|

[15:44:18]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: they don't allow you to get to any of the VoIP settings on their devices via the admin access, it's all locked down

[15:44:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

much cheaper to go with other VOIP providers anyway.

[15:45:00]

skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: yup, I was just reading the article where he mentioned leveraging vonage via asterisk. Perhaps he was running the business account, which would make sense

[15:45:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

also, vonage will give you sip credentials for the $9.95 a month softphone, but that's only 500 minutes and pay by the minute after that.

[15:46:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'm sure if he call them up and said he wanted 50 phone lines he could have got both a discount and credentials.

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skd5aner:

I'd love to see what this guy's low level design and specs are

[15:48:02]

skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: what area do you live in? I had an outage too

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** wagnerrp hasnt had a power outage in ages **

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wagnerrp:

i had one momentary blip a couple months ago

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AndyCap:

so anyone know if he still uses mythtv?

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skd5aner:

I finally got most of my UPSs back installed and online. Of course the outage was what finally got me to do it

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Gibby:

anyway to take my root drive under raid control after I already installed?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, though it's a question better asked in #yourdistro

[16:15:24]

iamlindoro:

In short, create the raid with a new drive as a degraded array, copy the contents of the boot drive to it, change grub to point at the array, reboot, add the old boot drive to the array, allow to rebuild. (for further details follow up in someplace more OT)

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iamlindoro:

er less OT

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Gibby:

iamlindoro, that is what I thought giving it a shotnow

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Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, this was just my street. I think they lost a phase or something, my whole street was without power but neighboring strets had it.

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skd5aner:

ah, gotcha

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Captain_Murdoch:

had ups-es, but outage lasted a couple hours so too long for UPS-es, but not long enough to make me haul out the generator and plug it in and flip the switches on the transfer switch box. :|

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skd5aner:

had a bad storm come through last night, 2–3 lightning strikes a mile or so away and the power went out for 3–10 seconds at a time

[16:20:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

next house I live in will have a generac or equivalent

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't plan on staying here long enough to make it worthwhile to install one since I don't have natural gas hooked up the house yet and that wouldn't make sense for just the generator since there's a monthly minimum

[16:21:38]

** iamlindoro just lives somewhere without so much "wrath of god" **

[16:21:41]

iamlindoro:

;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

transfer switch gets me 6 circuits in the house live with my roll-around generator though. living room, bedrooms, computer room, fridge, microwave, bathrooms.

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wagnerrp:

my immediate area seems to be surprisingly resilient against 'wrath of god'

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wagnerrp:

couple years back, there were some bad storms down south, so my power company dispatched most of their linemen there to help out

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wagnerrp:

shortly there after, the storms rolled through here, and killed power for some 90% of the local area

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wagnerrp:

took more than a week for some people to get power back

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wagnerrp:

we didnt have so much as a brownout

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sphery:

kormoc_afk: WD taking a page from Seagate? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/wd_wi . . . diagnostics/

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benomatic:

more naivete on display: how much does "micro adjusting" the channel frequencies help for channels that are particular jagged/wavy/etc.?

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justinh:

sphery: oo that kinda sucks

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: don't you live in CA AND the Bay Area? I would say there's plenty of opportunities for "wrath of god" events there! :D

[17:19:29]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, but its the rare earthquake

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wagnerrp:

nothing like these frequent storms or floods taking out power

[17:19:52]

wagnerrp:

just a cataclysmic event every 20–30 years

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skd5aner:

I'm all for storms that knock out power for an hour and the occasional tree than something that colapses my house and causes my state to float out to see :D

[17:20:36]

skd5aner:

s/see/sea

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iamlindoro:

The odds of either here are about 0

[17:21:04]

wagnerrp:

last big one in the bay area was what... a century ago?

[17:21:04]

iamlindoro:

since a) earthquakes on a massive scale basically never happen and b) when they do nothing really breaks since everything is built to code

[17:21:04]

sphery:

justinh: yeah... Seagate is bad enough requiring you to shut down your computer and boot into their boot CD... WD's making you actually install Windows is worse.

[17:21:14]

sphery:

of course, no one in their right mind actually likes WD drives...

[17:21:17]

sphery:

:)

[17:21:45]

sphery:

high-rez: got a backend log showing failed channel change?

[17:21:47]

wagnerrp:

or was that just the last one before building codes were put in place to prevent significant damage?

[17:21:48]

iamlindoro:

1989 if you count that as big, otherwise over 100 years ago, yeah

[17:22:06]

sphery:

high-rez: there have been other mentions of channel change breakage unrelated to DVB-S

[17:22:07]

awalls:

I though a world series was going on with the last big quake in san fran

[17:22:07]

wagnerrp:

i thought 89 was in LA, hundreds of miles away

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: 1989 – world series earthquake – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake

[17:22:34]

awalls:

Hmmm, thinking post 1993

[17:22:34]

iamlindoro:

1906 and 1989

[17:22:51]

iamlindoro:

1906 was the one that caused people to actually think about them

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iamlindoro:

by 1989 most stuff was built pretty darn sturdy

[17:23:14]

iamlindoro:

We "meh"d and went on

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sphery:

benomatic: fine tuning in today's world is useless... all hardware tuners have built in code to fine tune... The only time it will fail is if you're /way/ off on frequency.

[17:23:23]

skd5aner:

yea, but the 1906 one basically demolished everything... but at least it happened so long ago that people learned to build earthquake capable structures

[17:24:10]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: anyway, look at recent earthquakes in haiti and chile

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wagnerrp:

the one in haiti was a 7.0, but killed a quarter million, injured another quarter, and left a million homeless

[17:24:33]

benomatic:

sphery: so if i were to drag a real tv here, it would show the same things? (not just the card)

[17:24:33]

skd5aner:

yup

[17:24:49]

sphery:

benomatic: not sure what things it's showing

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wagnerrp:

the one in chile was an 8.8, and killed 500

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high-rez:

sphery: I can push forward my install and generate said logs real quick. I pastebin'd the logs here yesterday...

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skd5aner:

yea, incredible

[17:25:25]

wagnerrp:

now population density played a big part there

[17:25:54]

wagnerrp:

but port au prince was basically layed to rubble

[17:25:55]

skd5aner:

yup, but infrastructure was vastly different too

[17:25:59]

benomatic:

just bad quality on certain channels. if it were global i'd assume the encoder, but it's not. i was just curious, since i saw the option, but figured it would be time consuming.

[17:26:02]

wagnerrp:

which much of chile was left relatively intact

[17:26:07]

skd5aner:

Haiti is just about as poor as you can concieve

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sphery:

benomatic: but you can have issues where you've chosen the wrong frequency table (so /are/ way off on frequency) or you've misconfigured the capture card or something... But with a proper configuration, you'll get the same result of tuning. That may not translate into the same picture if you're doing things like encoding analog to digital with an MPEG encoder or using software encoding to NUV

[17:26:14]

high-rez:

sphery: What's really weird? Is that the channel changes appear to work fine if the channels are on the same multiplex, but not on different multiplexes...

[17:26:29]

wagnerrp:

im just giving it as an example of building codes

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wagnerrp:

chile had the money to build safe structures

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skd5aner:

Either way, I still would rather have my house taken on a bad storm than an earthquake... so long as we're not talking coastal hurricane

[17:27:17]

benomatic:

sphery: it is analog input signal w/ hw encoding (pvr 500), west-europe freq table... those sound stable to me. but who knows.

[17:27:30]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yup, exactly...

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sphery:

high-rez: I don't see any pastebins from you on what my clock calls Aug 4, 5, 6.

[17:28:24]

high-rez:

sphery: Hmmf, well I had one for sure. :) That said – i'll reproduce the issue – gimme a couple of mins to push forward my config.

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skd5aner:

I grew up in Tornado Ally, so I've seen a few bad ones in my day

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skd5aner:

you'd be amazed at what flying 2x4 will go through... just like a pin in a pin cushion

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sphery:

high-rez: heh, maybe if I spelled your nick right...

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** sphery needs nick autocompletion on the command line **

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sphery:

high-rez: http://pastebin.com/Pj2VEJ92

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sphery:

that's the exact same error that others are getting with things like HD-PVR, etc.

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high-rez:

That's the one.

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Beirdo:

sphery: what's mangling people's dbs?

[17:31:50]

high-rez:

The thing is, it works on initial tune – e.g. you can say watch tv – and its all good – but the moment you try to change a channel it throws said error.

[17:31:50]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: El Chupacabra

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awalls:

benomatic: comparing a TV with a PC TV capture card won't tell you much that you don't already know

[17:32:24]

high-rez:

Moreover, it doesn't corrupt the data in mythconverg.

[17:32:30]

awalls:

namely that a dedicated TV has more room to build a better tuner

[17:32:41]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: It's not DB mangling

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iamlindoro:

it's code

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: He reverts the HD-PVr changes and it works. He applies them and it breaks.

[17:33:13]

sphery:

Beirdo: pretty sure it's not the DB... At least, I inspected one user's tables and all lined up

[17:33:23]

Beirdo:

how is it getting that error then?

[17:33:32]

sphery:

I think the mangling is in code/retrieval/use of the data

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high-rez:

if you want I can run with additional debugging/data collection

[17:34:08]

Beirdo:

I've looked at the code, and that error is only given if it can't find a channel in the database. so either the db is mangled, or it's looking for the wrong thing

[17:34:10]

sphery:

skd5aner: now you made me want to watch Red vs Blue season 1, again

[17:34:58]

Beirdo:

so if the db ain't mangled... what's telling it to look for the wrong thing? ;)

[17:35:06]

iamlindoro:

code

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sphery:

heh

[17:35:18]

sphery:

that's as close as I could guess, too :)

[17:35:22]

iamlindoro:

The point is, the issue isn't DB mangling, that's all

[17:35:22]

high-rez:

Beirdo: So we can rule out the first one – I reverseted to 25542 and its all good.

[17:35:43]

high-rez:

(without having to touch my database at all – i really should make a db backup one day given I'm running trunk and all)

[17:35:45]

Beirdo:

well, oddly enough, I don't see this on my setup using the same code...

[17:35:53]

sphery:

I could get out my darts and maybe pick a line at random... but I don't feel like printing out the code for that test

[17:36:11]

Beirdo:

so there's gotta be soemthing esoteric here :)

[17:36:27]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: You are using *only* HD-PVR, right?

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high-rez:

So, is there any additional data that I can provide to help narrow this down?

[17:36:44]

Beirdo:

no, I have HDPVR and PVR250

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: those with this issue are using digital tuners

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iamlindoro:

thus, it seems that there was inadequate testing with those

[17:37:20]

Beirdo:

that is quite possible.

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Beirdo:

high-rez: this happens when using your HDPVR or when using another card?

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high-rez:

Beirdo: DVB-S card

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

well that I can not test

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high-rez:

Beirdo: Sure you can, come on over : -)

[17:40:21]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, maybe that code needs better testing with DVB stuff. Hmm

[17:42:08]

Beirdo:

so 25542 works, 25543 doesnt?

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high-rez:

So 25542 is good. And it was right after the jpoet checkin that it stopped working (i'm not sure which revision it specifically stopped working at as I kept doing svn up and rebuild hopeing someone else would have noticed and fixed : -)

[17:43:46]

Beirdo:

well, there were changes made in 25543 for DVB

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high-rez:

But I can checking out 43 to be sure – or 44 even ?

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high-rez:

s/checking out/check out

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Beirdo:

it would be good to know which commit borks it so we can narrow down what change in what commit is the issue

[17:45:26]

high-rez:

Ok, I'll itterate through the checkins starting at 43 to see which specifically hoses things.

[17:45:31]

Beirdo:

I think 43 may be part of it... if using the signal monitor, it uses a different method of selecting inputs

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: re: "thus, it seems that there was inadequate testing with those" I completely agree. It would have been nice if my plea to test those patches had been answered by more DVB users.

[17:53:17]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: Not suggesting it was your fault, I agree

[17:53:47]

abqjp:

I did not take it as an attack. I knew, you knew the situation ;-)

[17:54:03]

high-rez:

abqjp: Well I'm a testin' right now ;)

[17:54:06]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: Curiously, I had tested the patches some time ago and did not see this issue

[17:54:10]

Beirdo:

yeah, knowing it's DVB that's seemingly borked does change the forcus

[17:54:14]

Beirdo:

focus...

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iamlindoro:

But by some time ago, I mean back when you first posted them

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** high-rez ducks **

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: you said you were getting it with the HD-PVR, though, right?

[17:54:33]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: No, DVB

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** high-rez has 43 compiling **

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iamlindoro:

(QAM, technically speaking)

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iamlindoro:

abqjp: *that* issue, that is

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: what card? The only DVB card I have is an old HD-3000

[17:55:16]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: I am also seeing the "attempting to watch live TV hangs the frontend and renders the HD-PVR unusable by the backend" too, though

[17:55:21]

abqjp:

I don't have it in my production machine, but can set it up to do some more testing.

[17:55:37]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: Three cards-- an HVR-1250, an HD-5500, and a KWorld 115

[17:56:23]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: that one I don't see at all. I dunno what to suggest there

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** iamlindoro slinks back to work, hear the boss walking around **

[17:57:05]

abqjp:

So, two separate issues. iamlindoro did you send me the "-v record,channel" log for the HD-PVR hang issue?

[17:57:58]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: I have not had a chance-- I am barely home these days, so debugging and work on myth is suffering

[17:59:18]

Beirdo:

well, hopefully we track down the DVB part at least

[17:59:22]

Beirdo:

:)

[17:59:33]

high-rez:

Hmm... LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend – interesting I see that on the initial tune

[17:59:37]

abqjp:

NP. I just don't even know where to start looking for the problem. Unless.... do you still have a sleep at the end of your channel change script, or did you remove it? The problem almost has to be a difference in our STBs and how they interact with the HD-PVR.

[18:00:07]

Beirdo:

yeah, I was just thinking that. IIRC he's using 6200ch

[18:00:15]

Beirdo:

not sure if they use a delay or not

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iamlindoro:

abqjp: I just use 6200ch, there is no script

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iamlindoro:

so no delay

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Beirdo:

do you know if they put a post-delay in 6200ch?

[18:01:37]

iamlindoro:

FWIW the bling lights are active when attempting to watch live TV

[18:01:46]

iamlindoro:

device pretends it's recording

[18:01:51]

iamlindoro:

or at least, it thinks it is

[18:01:56]

iamlindoro:

No, there's no post-delay

[18:02:19]

Beirdo:

that might be something to try hacking in... a small post-delay may help somehow

[18:02:25]

abqjp:

And 6200ch does not return until it is done changing the channel?

[18:02:32]

iamlindoro:

correct

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iamlindoro:

If the patches just invert the people who need to add delays and those who didn't before (me), that's unfortunate

[18:03:26]

Beirdo:

like a half-second delay before returning... if that fixes it, perhaps we can change the calling code to enforce a delay after the script returns?

[18:03:40]

abqjp:

That should not be a problem. However, people that had their channel change scripts run in the background would have to stop.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp: Right, it's not backgrounded

[18:04:25]

abqjp:

Guess I will have to wait for logs. I have no idea.

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abqjp:

sphery: did you say other people are having the same problem with DVB? I have only seen high-rez and iamlindoro mention it. I am actually glad iamlindoro is having the problem, since that means it is not just a European thing — there is a chance I can reproduce with my HD-3000.

[18:07:02]

fendrychlukas:

Hello, has anybody experience with TeVii S470?

[18:07:36]

abqjp:

high-rez: did you say that this only happens with quick-tune enabled?

[18:09:54]

fendrychlukas:

Mainly I am interested if TeVii S470 transmits the entire transport stream to the PC and then I can decode multiple programs at once.

[18:10:13]

wagnerrp:

fendrychlukas: it should, yes

[18:11:01]

fendrychlukas:

thanks :)

[18:11:01]

wagnerrp:

mythtv artificially limits you to five recordings off a single tuner, due to hardware issues in some tuners, and stability issues with the scheduler

[18:12:29]

Beirdo:

time for... moarcoffee

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|gunni|:

I dont know why, but since today (rebooted after some ubuntu maverick updates), my mythtv backend does not recognize the recording plan. Any ideas? Schedules are there, but upcoming is empty.

[18:14:13]

wagnerrp:

upcoming recordings are usually empty when there are no tuners connected to the system

[18:14:17]

wagnerrp:

no tuners means no recordings

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|gunni|:

tuners are there, and i can watch live tv

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sphery:

abqjp: I don't remember who all it was... may have just been those two I was remembering.

[18:15:15]

abqjp:

Okay. Thanks.

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sphery:

|gunni|: no tuners or at least no "properly-connected" tuners

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|gunni|:

wagnerrp: And pressing "r" in live tv starts a recording

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sphery:

|gunni|: i.e. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (and note the "And, yes, you can still record LiveTV this way..." part

[18:17:17]

|gunni|:

Only the scheduled do not work

[18:17:23]

sphery:

see above :)

[18:18:01]

sphery:

|gunni|: which branch are you using? 0.23-fixes or trunk?

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high-rez:

abqjp: Well – I didn't say that it only happens with quicktune enabled – but I do have it configured for always quicktune.

[18:19:06]

|gunni|:

sphery: thx that sounds like it should work. 0.23+fixes

[18:20:12]

CyberKnet:

Aaah. MythTV has so passed the WAF this last half decade that now if I even mention in passing the thought of trying a different DVR, my wife demands reasoning as to why we wouldn't want to use MythTV. My wife is not a technical person. Kudos MythTV.

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** CyberKnet applauds quietly. **

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sphery:

good to hear...

[18:21:16]

high-rez:

Also, I can confir, that it was 25543 that introdcued the issue. 25542 == no problem, 25543 == problem changing channels.

[18:21:23]

high-rez:

s/confir/confirm

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misterFrank:

hi all. I have some trouble with getting EIT data. I've imported a channel.conf file, which seems not to work and I should do a full scan. But my country is missing from the list of countries. Can I manually insert a new country-file? thanks

[18:24:59]

Beirdo:

high-rez: OK, good, that should help narrow down the issue

[18:25:16]

high-rez:

If there's additional debugging needed let me know.

[18:25:26]

high-rez:

I'd be happy to run any tests :)

[18:25:43]

CyberKnet:

Heh. I could make commercials out of these advocacy pieces. In the days of folks saying "I'm a mac", or "I'm a PC" – my wife has a tendency to say "I'm a MythTV". My wife is not a technical person. Kudos MythTV. (Of course, nobody would believe them because since when can geeks/nerds have girlfriends, let alone wives?)

[18:25:44]

Beirdo:

aye. abqjp you see that? it does seem to be the first commit

[18:25:45]

CyberKnet:

*grin*

[18:26:09]

Beirdo:

CyberKnet: yeah well :)

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high-rez:

Beirdo: I'm doing this remotely... But I can see the file size incrasing and error messages etc when I do "jump livetv"... And then "key up" I can see where it errors out on 43

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Beirdo:

heheh

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abqjp:

high-rez: can you please create a problem ticket, and attach a backend log with "-v record,channel" ? Please create a fresh log after starting up mythbackend and performing the actions which demonstrate the problem. Feel free to bzip2 the log since it is likely to be large.

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high-rez:

abqjpg: Ok. I can try that. One thing I *have* confirmed 100% ? It doesn't happen if switching between channels on the same transponder... You can do that all day

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high-rez:

But when you try to tune to a channel on a different transponder (multiplex) – splat – crash.

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abqjp:

high-rez: that helps. Thanks.

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Beirdo:

oooh, narrowed down even more

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high-rez:

Hmm. I may be pulling this out of my butt – but I think I sort of see what the problem is.

[18:43:53]

high-rez:

A single dvb card can have multiple inputs if you have a switch (or multirec enabled iirc?).

[18:44:10]

high-rez:

It appears if you move from one input to the next, it doesn't stop recording on the first...

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|gunni|:

sphery: Just for info: Deleting and adding video source did not help.

[18:49:57]

sphery:

well, you have to delete them and add them properly...

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|gunni|:

Did it in mythtv-setup. And i did it like it ever worked before

[18:50:46]

sphery:

basically, MythTV will only show scheduled recordings for shows it is able to record. If your capture card/card input/video sources configuration is wrong, it won't be able to record any of them, so it will show nothing.

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|gunni|:

Hmm, will have a closer look at this tomorrow. It did work till today, so it couldnt be so wrong till now

[18:53:36]

sphery:

certain misconfigurations of that stuff can actually cause "time bombs" where everything works fine until some "random" point in the future when it breaks

[18:53:58]

sphery:

i.e. having defined cards or video sources that aren't connected to anything

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sphery:

or similar

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|gunni|:

I will try setting it up again

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|gunni|:

cu and thx for the help

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sphery:

good luck with it, and it /is/ possible there's some other problem

[18:56:27]

sphery:

but misconfigured input connections is by far the most likely cause of that situation

[18:56:38]

sphery:

could also be database/network issues or simliar

[18:56:49]

sphery:

if you have all sorts of socket errors in your logs, it may be something else

[18:57:10]

sphery:

note, also, that the approach I linked only works with "Delete all capture cards" and "Delete all video sources"

[18:57:22]

sphery:

if you delete them individually, it will leave the garbage that's breaking things

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|gunni|:

Did only "delete all video sources". Tomorrow i try with capture cards as well

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sphery:

on the bright side, you've done the hard one first, so tomorrow's will be basically the same difficulty (i.e. the hard part is getting channels back, which is only required when deleting video sources, and recreating cards is very easy in comparison)

[19:01:55]

sphery:

I do recommend doing both, though, just to make sure everything is clean

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sphery:

and, again, good luck

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high-rez:

Cool, fart powered vw.

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Beirdo:

Taco Bell-powered car? :)

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high-rez:

On /. :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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high-rez:

human waste powered (methane?).

[19:10:25]

Beirdo:

be good for the average politician

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Beirdo:

they are full of hot air... and crap

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wagnerrp:

everyone knows cow farts are the new cold fusion

[19:11:53]

wagnerrp:

high-rez: to be fair, there are already millions of methane powered vehicles on the road

[19:12:35]

wagnerrp:

methane is methane... doesnt matter if its cracked out of crude, recovered from gas pockets, or farmed from decaying organic matter

[19:13:01]

wagnerrp:

VW has produced nothing innovative

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wagnerrp:

well... unless of course you can feed it grass and it generates its own methane

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CyberKnet:

Sure would make cracking a fart in the car easier though without severe disapproval from other occupants.

[19:14:49]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it wasn't VW, it was UK taxpayers, right?

[19:17:57]

wagnerrp:

ask high-rez

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wagnerrp:

yeah, sewage treatment plant near bristol

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high-rez:

Oh I could be totally wrong, I was just spewing what I had read on /.

[19:19:25]

wagnerrp:

the annual waste from 70 homes powers a single vehicle 10k miles, hardly worthwhile

[19:19:25]

sphery:

i.e. many sewage plants use the produced methane to power themselves, but it's a low-quality methane with a lot of carbon-dioxide. So some bright politicians decided that they would take the leftover and--instead of burning it off or using their existing plant to produce excess electricity and sell it to the power company--they would create a new "refinery" of sorts to make a cleaner version of methane that could be used in this publicity stunt, ...

[19:19:31]

sphery:

... er, car

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sphery:

no joke

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sphery:

would have been far more efficient just to produce excess electricity and sell it to the power co

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wagnerrp:

yep

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sphery:

and the vast majority of the produced methane is still required to power the plant, itself, so you end up with a tiny fraction of the available households' output available for producing car-quality methane

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sphery:

meaning you might not be able to get many of those 10K mile trips out of all that extra equipment/processing

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Beirdo:

just eat at Taco Bell and insert a hose

[19:29:50]

Beirdo:

eat bean salads

[19:31:51]

wagnerrp:

when a company claims 90% of their customer base pirated their game... where do they come up with that number

[19:32:04]

gbee:

it's just as stupid an idea as bio-diesel, although possibly less environmentally destructive

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Beirdo:

bio-diesel stupid?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: they take their original sales projections and subtract their actual sales

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wagnerrp:

gbee: theres nothing wrong with bio-diesel, there /is/ something wrong with sugar-based bio-diesel

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gbee:

Beirdo: sorry, meant ethanol

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gbee:

et al

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Beirdo:

heh, just go to McDonalds and make their used oil to make bio-diesel...win/win

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah, ethanol is garbage

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gbee:

Beirdo: aye

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Beirdo:

ahhh, ethanol... that's another story

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Beirdo:

ethanol is for getting drunk

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Beirdo:

that is all, thanks

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gbee:

was thinking one, typing another

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: but when you can buy it at the pump, 170-proof for $3/gal

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Beirdo:

that's pretty cheap booze

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Beirdo:

too bad it's denatured

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Beirdo:

think of how much a gallon of vodka costs :)

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Beirdo:

guarantee ya it's more than $3

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high-rez:

There's a couple of biodiesel stations around here that are using recycled vegetable oil from local companies. There's definately nothing wrong with that.

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Beirdo:

high-rez: yeah, that's cool.

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high-rez:

I personally like the volt... I'd like to usee it use a tiny diesel powered generator isntead of gas... The idea is pretty smart since for most engines they have a very narrow band where they're most efficient – and that band is almost never where you're sitting most (cruising on freeways)

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gbee:

again I point to the brain fart/typo

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: he was referring to the fuel manufactured from corn, at like 20% yield

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Beirdo:

who needs corn anyways? :)

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wagnerrp:

the stuff that serves no purpose but to get government subsidies and drive up the price of food

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Beirdo:

it serves a purpose

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I totally agree with the corn based ethanol being a bad idea...

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Beirdo:

try to use less oil

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wagnerrp:

worthless garbage that requires expensive engine innards to withstand the ethanol without breaking down seels

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Beirdo:

BUT... it's doing more damage than good

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: they knew it would do no good 20 years ago

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Beirdo:

yeah, and they knew that hemp's a good idea for renewable resources even longer ago

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Beirdo:

those with the money.... make the rules

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high-rez:

God I love sitting on conf calls where people argue and argue and argue and I have to be there to listen but have nothing to say cause its completely unrelated to me.

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wagnerrp:

oh be serious, environmentalists would never let you burn good hemp for fuel

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

sure they would

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Beirdo:

as long as you let them smoke the buds

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wagnerrp:

just make sure the exhaust vents to the cabin?

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Beirdo:

heheh

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high-rez:

heh, the plants used to make bud doesn't actually make the stuff that get people wasted.

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high-rez:

s/bud/hemp

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Beirdo:

shhh, stop making sense :)

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Beirdo:

there is no sense to hemp :)

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high-rez:

Makes really soft clothing.

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Beirdo:

it's all about the knee-jerk reaction

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Beirdo:

makes good paper too

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Beirdo:

which is how it got removed from the market in the first place

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Beirdo:

not to mention ropes and sails....

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high-rez:

parachutes

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Beirdo:

heh, silk might be better there

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high-rez:

Probably, but I believe it was used to make parachutes and rigging in world war 2

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Beirdo:

probably

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Beirdo:

be a lot cheaper than silk for sure

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Beirdo:

oooh, that feels better.... neck goes CRACK!

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Beirdo:

I can't believe I survived without mythtv :)

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high-rez:

Who what?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: its not knee-jerk, that actually would smoke the stuff on ships

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

and they would drink the aftershave

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wagnerrp:

just because no one in their right mind would want to, doesnt mean they didnt

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Beirdo:

hehe, fair enough

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high-rez:

... drink aftershave?

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high-rez:

Thats ... nasty

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Beirdo:

aqua velva for instance

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wagnerrp:

sure, its alcohol

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Beirdo:

might even taste better than some gin :)

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high-rez:

Heh, probably better than Tuica ;)

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wagnerrp:

its wartime, and they didnt have the mechanical skills to run a still

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high-rez:

What skill? A little copper tube, some cold water, a regulator, and a pressure cooker ;)

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wagnerrp:

come on, these are people who drink aftershave and smoke hemp rope, the bar is pretty low

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high-rez:

Fair enough.

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Beirdo:

I'm sure hemp rope's not much worse for ya than cigarettes

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wagnerrp:

but... it doesnt get you high

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wagnerrp:

at most, it has a psychological effect

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high-rez:

What doesn't get you high ?

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gbee:

nah, I think the psychological effect came before the decision to smoke rope

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wagnerrp:

processed hemp rope

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high-rez:

Oh.

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high-rez:

I thought you meant cigs. The first time I ever tried cigs, they most certainly did provide a feeling that I'd describe as high (except they also made me feel sick)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: maybe they should soak the rope in aftershave first

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wagnerrp:

or poppy seek cake batter

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Beirdo:

poppy seek? ;)

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Beirdo:

nice typo

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wagnerrp:

seed

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SNIFFER_dog:

I have a TBS6980 S2 card with dual inputs. Any idea why only one finds channels during a scan?

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SNIFFER_dog:

when you make a scan where is the channel.conf file located

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iamlindoro:

SNIFFER_dog: we don't write a channels.conf-- our channels go in the database

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SNIFFER_dog:

iamlindoro: can you edit the database outside of mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

Not if you expect it to work afterwards

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok, when I do a scan all the channels have incorrect info am I expected to edit 300 channels manually or is there of myth scanning and getting the channel local to my area in the correct info like a STB does?

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iamlindoro:

What do you mean by "incorrect info?"

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EvilGuru:

Yay! tv_grab_uk_rt seems to be working again

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok for example a Channel Called BBC 1 its channel number is scanned as 6301 when it should be 101

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like your set top box does some logical mapping-- so if it's just a matter of channel numbers, then yes, you will need to edit those manually

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EvilGuru:

SNIFFER_dog: If you're talking about Freesat I believe it uses some special EPG data for channel mappings

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EvilGuru:

Which is why you find a load more stuff with a real scan than you do on an STB

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high-rez:

Yeah, 6301 would be the real SID. I think what it really does is in the PMT there's a PID that contains all that remap data...

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gbee:

EvilGuru: good news

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SNIFFER_dog:

so if thats the case do people write some script to change the numbers rather than doing it manually

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EvilGuru:

I'd use the EPG if it did not overwrite the RT stuff

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SNIFFER_dog:

cos each time you scan your back to square one

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kormoc:

Most folks never use live-tv and thus channel numbers don't matter

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[R]:

live... tv...

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[R]:

what is this?

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[R]:

hehe

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kormoc:

and those that use live-tv typically use the guide rather then channels

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gbee:

scans shouldn't change the channel numbers

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gbee:

if it does that's a bug

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EvilGuru:

kormoc: Or memorize them; 80 and 82 for me

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EvilGuru:

81 for the kinky stuff :P

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SNIFFER_dog:

but if i was to edit them, then do a scan would it change it back

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kormoc:

SNIFFER_dog, if it does, it's a bug, per what gbee said

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kormoc:

trust in the Gbee, he won't sting ya

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gbee:

probably introduced around the time of the scanner re-write

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok so am i right in saying, you guys genrally use the channel numbers that you get with a scan

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kormoc:

SNIFFER_dog, do you know that's the current behavior or are you guessing?

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SNIFFER_dog:

guessing?

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SNIFFER_dog:

trying to get a feel for the general trend if you get my drift

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kormoc:

numbers are entirely meaningless to myth, you can change them as you please and we don't change them back

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kormoc:

most folks leave them alone, some change them, but all in all, it doesn't really matter

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gbee:

I use the LCNs for Freeview, for Freesat I change them to match Freeview where the channel appears on both platforms

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SNIFFER_dog:

LCNs? (Local Channel Numbers?)

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gbee:

Logical Channel Number, official term for the number broadcast in the Service Description Tables for DVB

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok thanks

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gbee:

so that would be the the number as given to the channel by the broadcaster and used by MythTV when inserting channels from a scan

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok so far when I get my DVB-T card to scan that works as I would expect it but DVB-S2 does give me some unrecognised channel numbers

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gbee:

in the case of Freesat the STBs remap them based on private data

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gbee:

since Freesat is sharing satellite space with other services and doesn't get to determine the LCN broadcast

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SNIFFER_dog:

which we are not privi to and so users either leave the as is or manually change them to suite

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok that make sense thanks

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gbee:

I, like most MythTV users don't use livetv anymore, the ability to record everything I want to watch relieves me of that burden

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SNIFFER_dog:

so you sit down and play what you have recorded rather than what whats on at that moment in time

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gbee:

I'm not saying "don't use livetv", but suggesting why it's not a problem for everyone

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok

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gbee:

SNIFFER_dog: we are working on a solution though, I just can't say when it will be finished

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johnnyj:

say what would cause the atoi() function to return bad results when casting a char to an int?

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high-rez:

gbee: So the LCN in the SDT doesn't always match the SID?

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SNIFFER_dog:

I can understand that doing that for all the countries is a big task

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gbee:

high-rez: in the case of Freeview in the UK, they have no relation at all, the LCN is the user-friendly number

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SNIFFER_dog:

yes that is waht I have noticed

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SNIFFER_dog:

can I ask some questions on the red button

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justinh:

hmm wonder what's up with the PBB sometimes flashing an image up as fanart

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gbee:

e.g. BBC One uses LCN 1, BBC Two uses LCN 2, Channel Four = 4 etc

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justinh:

SNIFFER_dog: just ask. don't ask if you can ask

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok here goes

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justinh:

I've noticed this when the PBB is left idle, the fanart background will change momentarily & go back to the image it should use. any ideas what that's all about? not moaning really, just wondering

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gbee:

the SID on the other hand is usually a number in the thousands and may not even be static for a channel, they've been known to change when reorganisations of the multiplexes occur

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gbee:

justinh: not a clue

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SNIFFER_dog:

When i scan for DVB-T (when it works currently its broken) I have seen channel 301 included and sometimes it is not. In order to get it do I need to scan it when its on

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gbee:

justinh: there's certainly no reason for it, but it might be related to the update events we're receiving from the backend

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justinh:

SNIFFER_dog: shouldn't

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justinh:

gbee: figured it might be something backend update-ish

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SNIFFER_dog:

301 is a channel you can access via the red button to view say sport when its on

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justinh:

it's not a big annoyance, just noticed it when I'm sitting still feeding

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gbee:

301, depends on the scan options, 301 is a data-only channel for certain periods and the scan will ignore data channels unless you tell it otherwise

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gbee:

when starting a scan there is an option to only scan for TV, TV+Radio, All ... or something similar, it defaults to TV

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henrik:

I have a problem with the built in script that is supposed to update all information and cover pics. I have renamed all movies to it's original / English name and by pressing metadata->download it will find the movie. However something happens every night. The cover art is removed and is replaced by a black cover. If I go to metadata->download it will not update the cover art. In order for it to download the cover art aga

[22:31:08]

henrik:

in I need to clear the current meta data and then use the download meta data again. This will result in new cover arts. Unfortunately this is lost during the night.

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gbee:

SNIFFER_dog: selecting All should mean that 301 is found in every scan, not just those done when it's showing video

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok thanks I just spotted that, now I need to work out why it is broken!

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henrik:

and I'm using MythTV Version : 25496

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henrik:

the tv episodes are still there.. and is showing cover art.. but not the movies

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gbee:

henrik: it's not something that MythTV is doing, which distro are you using?

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henrik:

mythbuntu

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gbee:

henrik: the nice folk in #mythbuntu might know what's going on

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henrik:

ohh so the moviedb script is not from mythtv? is that a local mythbuntu?

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henrik:

Sorry thaught those fatures was from upstreams...

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gbee:

the official script is

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gbee:

but it doesn't delete anything

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gbee:

so I'm guessing you've got some unofficial thing running every 24 hours

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henrik:

One solution would to just disable the automatic script..

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henrik:

do you know it's name?

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justinh:

I thought they just ran JAMU on a cron job

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justinh:

jamu.py

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justinh:

but they might put their own wrapper around it.. who knows

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gbee:

ugh, why would they do that?

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justinh:

gbee: to get automagimical thingies & stuff

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SNIFFER_dog:

thanks for you help tonight, its been useful

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gbee:

jamu is fine and all, but it shouldn't be run by default since it's just as likely to completely trash your metadata with false positives

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henrik:

I can se that there is a script running in crown.hourly

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gbee:

or as in this case, run even when it's not needed because metadata already exists

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kormoc:

hourly?

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gbee:

I wish distros would stop second-guessing us

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kormoc:

that's a bit agressive

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henrik:

http://pastebin.com/WA03KiyG

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henrik:

yes it's in the crown.hourly folder

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henrik:

so I guess it should run "about" ones an hour

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kormoc:

jesus.... that's a waste

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gbee:

and not safe

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henrik:

ok would it be save to just put that script to the bin?

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henrik:

would I loose anything except the automatic update of video that is not working?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, kormoc, it's running -MW hourly

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iamlindoro:

That's just recording artwork

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iamlindoro:

and runs that often so that a recording that is scheduled as it occurs gets artwork right away

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iamlindoro:

so it's not wasteful/hitting servers/modifying metadata

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gbee:

henrik: you'd lose artwork for recordings, but that's only used by one or two themes and it's an an experimental feature atm

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henrik:

okej so it has nothing to do with regular video..

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I don't see the -MW

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iamlindoro:

That's because uit's not in that file-- takes it as an argument

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iamlindoro:

But that's the only JAMU process that is run hourly-- -MW

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iamlindoro:

The others are run daily (the Mythvideo one) and weekly (janitory) IIRC

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iamlindoro:

er Janitor

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gbee:

guess we'd have to see the cron entry to know for sure, but since that's in the hourly folder where's it taking the argument from?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: well apparently it's happening overnight, so the daily one seems to be to blame here anyway

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iamlindoro:

Their cron setup is beyond my comprehension-- just telling you which jobs are run when

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justinh:

gbee: su mythtv -c "/usr/bin/python /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py -MW >> '/var/log/mythtv/jamu.log' 2>&1"

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gbee:

it's trashing his existing metadata

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justinh:

gbee: that's from my ubuntu backend

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gbee:

justinh: ah, guess the paste is truncated

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justinh:

and cron.daily runs with only -M

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justinh:

and weekly with -MJ

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henrik:

this goes daily http://pastebin.com/aEN2CXAe

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justinh:

yeah I figured the paste was truncated. from the "upcoming reco$" bit ;)

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henrik:

so that one can be safely removed?

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justinh:

I wouldn't remove anything.

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justinh:

move the file, or comment out active lines...

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henrik:

according to the jamu.log file the problem seems to be that I'm using the same computer for frontend as backend. http://pastebin.com/DzRhdTe0

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iamlindoro:

no, the problem is that you have set up storage groups and local settings

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iamlindoro:

so eitehr blank the local settings, or remove the storage groups

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henrik:

ohh okej so removing the storage groups from backend would do it?

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henrik:

should they be completly blank?

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iamlindoro:

It would, but be warned that all your current metadata points to the storage groups, not the local settings

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iamlindoro:

since the preference is for those

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iamlindoro:

so yes, you can remove the storage groups, but then your videos won't work until you rescan

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henrik:

but right now I have no meta data stored

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iamlindoro:

Personally would blank the local settings in mythfrontend, but that's just me

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iamlindoro:

further, the warnings you pastebinned don't have anything to do with your problem

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justinh:

reminds me I never did get around to turning some dvds into videos

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justinh:

had something else on my mind entirely. wonder what it was...

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henrik:

okej I'll do that then.. but that is only the video I should change?

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justinh:

oh yeah that was it. same thing that's turned my brain to jelly lately

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henrik:

iamlindoro, like for coverarts the frontend says /var/lib/mythtv/coverart

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henrik:

that should then be removed?

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justinh:

had visitors tonight, who are big fans of Sky Plus. somebody among them was in awe of how our PVR has artwork for all the shows & lots of extra information about the recordings. heheheh

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justinh:

wife said "oh yeah justin made that". not entirely true but I wasn't gonna baffle em with science ;)

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henrik:

would it be save in frontend settings remove the paths in settings->video->general for "videos" "art work" "posters" etc if I have them stored in storage group in backend?

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henrik:

save =safe

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henrik:

justinh, you did right in taking the creds ;) your close enough :)

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bjd:

you're

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henrik:

thank you bjd

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bjd:

=)

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henrik:

justinh, whats do you think?

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henrik:

no one?

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justinh:

henrik: depends what you mean safe

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henrik:

would it be the correct way to do it??

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henrik:

have it blank in frontend

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justinh:

if the paths would be the same either way, then yeah.. you shouldn't lose anything

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henrik:

yea they are the same

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justinh:

if you have no ISOs, go for it

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henrik:

no I have no isos

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henrik:

but I have avi files

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henrik:

but I guess that is no problem?

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beata-:

anyone have there audio lock up after 5–7 times playing a video? running the new alsa code

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beata-:

the only way i have been able to fix it is to reboot

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beata-:

when it happens my av reciver says locked

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henrik:

no beata- have not had that problem

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beata-:

hmm

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henrik:

justinh, do you want to know something really good! when I did that, opened the frontend and did a rescan...

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henrik:

it automaticly found the information for all my movies!! and the right cover art..

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henrik:

perfect!

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henrik:

iamlindoro, thank you for the tip, that got back all the cover arts!

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justinh:

yay

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henrik:

I'm just going to se if it works to ;)

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henrik:

worked perfectly!

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larrikin:

I've always wondered about seek forward/backwards in recorded mpeg2 files.. for me, anything above x3 and it does not continue seeking for more than 3–5 seconds before pausing.. if I change speed it resumes for another 3–5secs .. I take it this is not the designed behaviour ?

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justinh:

doesn't happen here. always pretty smooth

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larrikin:

you're playing back PAL material? maybe its related to aussie broadcasts ..

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