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Thursday, August 5th, 2010, 00:08 UTC

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skd5aner:

oh man, no more NVP...

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sphery:

did you have some patches?

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sphery:

or just catching up on the changes

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danomac:

hi all. i'm using myth 0.22 and noticed mythvideo is retaining some content that doesn't exist anymore. when i press menu and scan for changes it doesn't seem to update, is there a way to empty the database?

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skd5aner:

sphery: just catching up :)

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sphery:

danomac: 0.22-fixes has some issues

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skd5aner:

one of those myth based acronymns I've gotten used to hearing for years I suppose

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sphery:

danomac: you need to scan for changes, then exit mythvideo, then count to 10, then enter mythvideo

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sphery:

danomac: or, better, just upgrade to 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

it has a /lot/ of fixes

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sphery:

0.22 is MythTV Vista

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danomac:

lol

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sphery:

0.23 is MythTV 7

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danomac:

i hope there's no database updates this time

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danomac:

i think i went from 0.18 -0.22

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sphery:

there are updates, but they're not nearly as invasive as the 0.21 to 0.22 updates

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sphery:

(which, btw, was the most invasive DB change in the history of MythTV)

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sphery:

in other words, DB updates from 0.22 to 0.23 should be a piece of cake

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danomac:

yes, i read that on the users -ml

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sphery:

that said, do a backup, first

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

:)

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danomac:

eh. i don't have any recordings currently

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danomac:

if i lose stuff i can just rebuild mythvideo's database

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sphery:

ah, your call, then

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sphery:

as far as clearing MythVideo's DB, there is a way

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462 will do it

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danomac:

other than `TRUNCATE TABLE xxx;` ?

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sphery:

but /still/ I recommend upgrading

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sphery:

and then if and only if your MythVideo is broken beyond repair (i.e. you have multiple duplicate entries for videos due to the scanning issues in 0.22), use the approach in that post

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iamlindoro:

sphery, FWIW .22 did *not* go out with the need to exit MV

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iamlindoro:

that was the final blocker fixed

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sphery:

oh, then I can't explain what was happening

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sphery:

unless it's a pre-release version that was packaged with a distro

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sphery:

but still, I recommend upgrading

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danomac:

ack

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danomac:

i forgot i upgraded to 0l.23

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danomac:

0.23

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sphery:

ahh

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sphery:

so it should update--works on my system when I delete stuff

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danomac:

i can use the package manager to upgrade from -p25073 to -p25496

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danomac:

maybe i'll try that

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** danomac crosses fingers and waits for breakage to happen :) **

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iamlindoro:

Scanning hasn't changed since pre-.22

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danomac:

maybe it was a bad migration

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iamlindoro:

Only reason a scan won't clean things up is a) the thigns still exist, b) major DB problems

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danomac:

i'm guessing the latter

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sphery:

if that's the caes, do what I recommended in that post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462

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danomac:

i moved and renamed a bunch of files around and the changes doesn't seem to appear

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sphery:

it will fix it

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iamlindoro:

moving and renaming them is not the same as deleting them

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danomac:

i deleted a bunch of stuff too.

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iamlindoro:

MythVideo .23 will detect that it's still the same hash and reassign the old metadata to the new filename/location

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danomac:

ahh.

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danomac:

so that's why the typos aren't fixed lol

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danomac:

it all makes sense now

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iamlindoro:

ie, it allows you to move content around backends, filenames, and locations and still preserve metadata

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danomac:

is there an option to force it to redo everything?

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danomac:

other than the above post

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iamlindoro:

truncate the table, or reset the metadata on the individual items

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danomac:

oh, how do you do that?

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danomac:

option under menu?

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iamlindoro:

In the metadata menu

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iamlindoro:

"Reset Metadata"

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danomac:

i just went and looked, there's no such option when i press menu. is it perhaps in the system settings?

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iamlindoro:

You are looking at the wrong menu

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iamlindoro:

I and M each open a menu

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danomac:

oh yes. info button on remote, not menu button >_> sorted now

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danomac:

that's fixing the typos. i think i'll have it regenerate anyway, just to be safe.

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danomac:

thanks for the quick answers

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danomac:

compiling new version + resetting database now

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dherde:

Hi.. If I have ripped a dvd through Myth, how do I catalog/find/play it?

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k-man:

what size TV should one get for viewing from 4.3 meters away? (or approx 14 feet)

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kormoc:

I think a 144" projector screen is pretty epic at 4.3 meters

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k-man:

kormoc: i don't want to get a projector though

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kormoc:

well, I guess you could make do with a 108" lcd then

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dherde:

There is a lot of aspect ratio information and setting up your home theater information at avscience.com

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dherde:

does anyone know how to play an imported dvd?

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dherde:

I have about a 160" diagonal 16x9 setup and we are comfortable at 14 feet back

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k-man:

is there a user review site for lcd tvs somewherE?

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dherde:

seriously, check out avscience.com. They have darn near everything about high end video. you might also want to try projectorpeople.com, but I don't know what they know for lcd.

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k-man:

thanks dherde

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sphery:

dherde: it rips the DVD to the directory you specified in Utilities/Setup|Setup|Media Settings|... (DVD Settings or Optical Disc Settings or maybe even MythVideo settings)

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sphery:

the rip directory or something like that

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sphery:

once you find it, move it into MythVideo and then scan for changes and play

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sphery:

iamlindoro: got yours? http://a.abc.com/media/email/primetime/Lost/lostauction.html

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high-rez:

So yeah, something is broken with channel changing in trunk... See: http://pastebin.com/Pj2VEJ92

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, ^^ MAybe related to signalmon/tuner stuf?

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Beirdo:

doubt it

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Beirdo:

the first error is instructional

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jpabq:

maybe, but unlikely. When I upgraded to trunk last week, channel changes broke for me too, and it was because the channel table in my DB somehow got messed up. I had to go in and fix the freqid column to fix it.

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Beirdo:

I would say it's more likely to be something ate some database entries or something

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Beirdo:

the channel changing code seems to work just fine here

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iamlindoro:

I only mention because I've seen the same error sicne I just upgraded

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iamlindoro:

and the only tangible change is your two ticket merges

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Beirdo:

well, I'd bet we'd find it's unrelated, more likely in something that messed up the database, but I could be wrong :)

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Beirdo:

that first error really does mean something

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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Beirdo:

I can read over his patches again, but I don't recall anything that touched the channels table

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iamlindoro:

Who says the channels table has been touched?

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Beirdo:

but if this is a recurring theme, we certainly may want to know WHAT did it

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Beirdo:

TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '9462' was not found in the database.

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't mean that anything has touched the channels table

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Beirdo:

one moment

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Beirdo:

int chanid = ChannelUtil::GetChanID(sourceid, channum);

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iamlindoro:

I am seeing an inability to tune also, and the only changes to tuning whatsoever, in month, are those two patches

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Beirdo:

and if that fails, you get that message

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, with the HD-PVR or another source?

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, "yes"

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Beirdo:

and GetChanID uses the database

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Beirdo:

if it's saying the channel's not in the database... it's a db issue :)

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** iamlindoro throws up his hands **

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iamlindoro:

ok, well, good luck

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iamlindoro:

guess we both just identically broke our DBs then

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Beirdo:

what?

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Beirdo:

I'm not saying WHAT broke it

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Beirdo:

but if you get that message, then your db needs love

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Beirdo:

trace the code

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, There is a small chance that http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25553 did it, but I have had no problems with my two HD-PVRs or my HDhomeruns. If that patch was going to cause any problems, it would be with PVR-x50 cards.

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iamlindoro:

Seems to be live TV only

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iamlindoro:

managed to get the backend to finally tune a channel after four restarts

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iamlindoro:

But attempting to start live TV on the Hd-PVr hangs the frontend entirely

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iamlindoro:

Looking at the HD-PVR it's recording, but I just have the OSD saying "Lock" and no video

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iamlindoro:

and a total hang

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iamlindoro:

and neverending "2010-08–04 19:22:42.610 Player(0), Warning: Waited 100ms for decoder to unpause"

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jpabq:

LiveTV is working for me. I am running r25548 on the frontend and r25553 on the backend. I will bring the frontend up to r25553 to make sure that is not a problem.

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iamlindoro:

Further, the attempt to start liveTV then renders the backend unusable

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iamlindoro:

or at least, the HD-PVR dead

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iamlindoro:

requiring a power cycle

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** iamlindoro goes to dinner **

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, does your HD-PVR channel change script run in the background?

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orangey:

hello all!

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orangey:

I just got a gtx 460, which has an HDMI out port and two DVI

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orangey:

however, I can't for the life of me get anything out through HDMI

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orangey:

even when I hook it up via DVI

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orangey:

the only way to get my tv to take an output is to turn on the monitor, then switch the plug to the HDMI (via dvi adapter)

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, no

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jpabq:

:( That seemed like a good bet as to the problem.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, 6200ch -g $guid somechannum

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iamlindoro:

is my channel change script

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iamlindoro:

non-live works fine so long as I don't attempt to watch liveTV. Any attempt to watch LiveTV with the HD-PVR hangs the frontend and renders the HD-PVR unusable on the BE

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jpabq:

Email me a "-v record,channel" log from the backend, and I will see if I spot anything.

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iamlindoro:

K, will need to be later, I am expected at dinner in 7 mintes 10 minutes away

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jpabq:

Run!

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jpabq:

high-rez, are you comfortable with mysql? Can you check your channel table in mythconverg to make sure channel 9462 is defined okay?

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danomac:

my problem is solved!

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danomac:

thanks all

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Sefjoe:

Quick question... how do I can the videos directory to the video library? I've tried every iteration of the path I could think of and no luck.

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

how do you import content into mythvideo?

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Sefjoe:

oh and by videos directory I mean the one in the home directory

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Sefjoe:

well that would work too

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wagnerrp:

add the proper path to the Videos storage group on the backend in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

go into the 'media library --> watch videos' menu in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm', and then 'scan for videos'

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Sefjoe:

see that's my problem i've set the path as "/home/(user)/videos" and I get an error that the path isn't valid

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wagnerrp:

hopefully you actually used your username instead of '(user)'

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Beirdo:

heh

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Sefjoe:

yes i did lol

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wagnerrp:

where did you define that folder?

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Sefjoe:

I went into the backend and then media storage and added under videos

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Sefjoe:

ok it was a permission issue. Once I gave the mythtv group the right permissions it seemed to resolve my issue

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Sefjoe:

thanks for your help wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

back to school commercials

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I should setup my DLink UPnP client

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Beirdo:

see if the code I have just doesn't work with the TV, or if it simply doesn't work

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wagnerrp:

'clear qam channels numbering in the thousands'

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wagnerrp:

wait... what?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know there were thousands of channels available to offer, much less a cable subscription that actually contained that many, and on top of that, provided them unencrypted

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Beirdo:

hehe

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yeah... that part confused me

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wagnerrp:

isnt schedulesdirect only for non-commercial use?

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Beirdo:

yes

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[R]:

yes

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wagnerrp:

so his commercial 'The Wave' could not use it anyway?

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Beirdo:

correct

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Beirdo:

that's my understanding

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wagnerrp:

or would it be acceptable if each individual user had to sign up for their own account?

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Beirdo:

have to ask the SD guys on that

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[R]:

that is such a horrible website

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[R]:

the wave thing

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

I have no AAA batteries?!

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Beirdo:

so much for trying that DLink box tonight

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[R]:

can't cannibalize them?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

the other remots are AA

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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[R]:

ROFL

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[R]:

its got VGA output

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Beirdo:

the one that came with the HDPVR... AAA

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Beirdo:

there we go

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Beirdo:

ok, odd

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Beirdo:

it comes from the factory not supporting HDMI out very well :)

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Beirdo:

had to bootstrap with the analog cable

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Beirdo:

good thing I didn't lose it

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Beirdo:

now doing a firmware upgrade

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Beirdo:

DSM-510, BTW

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Beirdo:

99% on the firmware upgrade...

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Beirdo:

whaaaa?

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wagnerrp:

oh wow....

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Beirdo:

no user agent at all

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wagnerrp:

'the internet access includes internetbuttons.com, the easiest and best way to access the internet'

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sphery:

So, thinking about buying one of these, based on the reviews. It should be good for a MythTV system, right? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.a . . . E16820227581

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah! you should be able to get a good 70 hours of TV on that thing

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Beirdo:

a $10k "drive"

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Beirdo:

be great for your DB though

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sphery:

well, no "limit 3 per customer", so I figured I'd get a 20x array

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sphery:

still looking for a mobo with 20 PCIe slots

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sphery:

heh, and I thought 10K drive meant something else

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wagnerrp:

are there /any/ legitimate reviews of this product?

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sphery:

I love the pro, "MSN never ran so fast."

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sphery:

10 reviews total

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sphery:

Other Thoughts: I'd buy it if it came with free shipping... I think that's the real deal-maker here.

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Beirdo:

O...M... G...

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Beirdo:

the DLink DSM-510... does NOT like mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if the Wave guy will get by subtle hint about guide data

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Beirdo:

All Recordings... showed one

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Beirdo:

Commercial Free... sat there and cycled over and over and over trying to get the directory listing

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Beirdo:

and then hosed when it timed out?!

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Beirdo:

nice job, DLink

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Beirdo:

I'll mess with it again later. right now I'm tempted to bring it to the trebuchet I don't have yet

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, "Microsoft has purchased a license to redistribute someone's guide data" [for use only with Microsoft's Media Center software]...

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sphery:

glad you said that, too

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sphery:

I haven't read the thread, but someone needed to mention the licensing issue

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

have a licensing trout

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[R]:

omg

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sphery:

I may just read the rest to see what all else could be worth 50 posts

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[R]:

avril lavigne has a new song

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[R]:

where have i been!?

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Beirdo:

[R]: called waht? I'm a ho?

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[R]:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

i do wonder what the legality of users of commercial mythtv systems using SD on their own is

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wagnerrp:

i guess since theyre technically buying the hardware, and getting mythtv for free, its still non-commercial?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: dunno, ask xris sometime

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Beirdo:

:)

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

top says cpu usage is "116"

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[R]:

how is that possible?

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Beirdo:

got more than one ore?

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wagnerrp:

one core is 100%

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[R]:

nope

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Beirdo:

core even

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[R]:

althought it is HT

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wagnerrp:

hyperthreading?

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Beirdo:

then you have 2

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wagnerrp:

is that CPU usage? or load average?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: cpu %

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Beirdo:

granted the second one is... funky

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wagnerrp:

those are two completely different things

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[R]:

load is like 2.75

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Beirdo:

but HT = 2 cores in Linux

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[R]:

2.85

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sphery:

heh, funny thread

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wagnerrp:

chances are some funkyness due to hyperthreading

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[R]:

Beirdo: bzzzz, no

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Beirdo:

umm, no bzzz

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[R]:

its not 2 cores

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[R]:

do you call SMP 2 cores?

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Beirdo:

Linux sees HT processors as 2 cores on the same die

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[R]:

no you call it 2 processors

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wagnerrp:

to linux, it is

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[R]:

yet in the end it all looks the same

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Beirdo:

sibling processors

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[R]:

ok, i'll live with taht

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sphery:

so, computer-literate != GNU/Linux literate (or <distro> literate)

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wagnerrp:

there are two execute units in one core

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[R]:

so boxee can play mtv

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[R]:

can mythnetvision do mtv?

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wagnerrp:

computer-literate == 'i can install windows'

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Beirdo:

yeah, but it's seen as a dual core... kinda

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yep

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[R]:

i need ot upgrade to 0.24 so bad

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Beirdo:

either way, that's why you can get > 100% if you have an SMP kernel

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision#Current_ . . . ion_Grabbers

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wagnerrp:

MTV was supported in 0.23

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[R]:

i tried setting up mythnetvision in my 0.23

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[R]:

it was a major fail

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[R]:

i probably didnt care enough to actaully put enough effort into it

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Beirdo:

MTV? I have no use for them these days... I miss Beavis & Butthead

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sphery:

I like Keith E's post... And that's exactly how I read the reply, too--and whenever I read such a reply, I dont' bother to respond, myself.

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, that was a great reply

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wagnerrp:

this was a great email too... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/294382.html

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** wagnerrp loves him some good irony **

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sphery:

yeah, thousands of channels from cable TV unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

oh... and it just continues... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/294387.html

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Beirdo:

I think by "in the thousands" he means 4-digit channel numbers

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wagnerrp:

im referring to the request to not top post, followed by a top post response

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Beirdo:

but he's being so... obscure

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wagnerrp:

and further requests to not top post, with yet another top post response

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was classy to

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Beirdo:

should back off a touch on the top-posting jihad though

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sphery:

but, make this product that I plan to sell and make money selling work so I can make money

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Beirdo:

complaining about it is nearly as annoying as top-posting itself :)

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sphery:

it's FOSS, so you have to do it for free

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Beirdo:

and let's face it... you'll never get people to change...

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Beirdo:

after saying it once... route their email to the trash folder if it annoys you THAT much :)

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wagnerrp:

i would be happy if they just properly indented the original message

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Beirdo:

but yeah, that guy is clue resistant for sure

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wagnerrp:

but no, they comment it in html

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wagnerrp:

so when you view it in a non-html viewer, it all looks the same

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Beirdo:

HTML email FTL

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sphery:

ah, whois isn't helpful in finding what company is thinking of deploying this product

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sphery:

Beirdo: the problem is that it's archived and the archives become completely unreadable, so you can't even reference the relevant info

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sphery:

so it has to be said 10M times

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wagnerrp:

dolphin consumer systems

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Beirdo:

the guy who plays Earl... Jason Lee? Not a bad singer unless it's overdub

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Beirdo:

sphery: I understand that, but the extra whining won't change it :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

seems theyre based in Solana Beach, CA

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sphery:

probably true

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sphery:

I've given up and just fix it for them, then put a comment at the top <fixed top posting>

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Beirdo:

if they don't get it on the first time... or the second, they sure as heck won't on the 3rd, 4th, etc

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that's a better plan :)

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wagnerrp:

if he started selling product back in april, what is he looking into mythtv now for?

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Beirdo:

more work for the clueful, but...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: are you making connections using google or something?

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sphery:

I didn't see dolphin consumer anywhere

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sphery:

but that's the same location as the whois...

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** wagnerrp is reading their web page **

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: they are killin dolphins, you're saying?

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sphery:

Beirdo: I will admit, though, that editing their broken posts gets old fast

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

the archive can handle it

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Beirdo:

kinda

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wagnerrp:

apparently 1600x1200 is better than 'HDTV' which is only 1080 lines tall

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, just wondering how you associated it with him

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Beirdo:

w00t. mythbackend coredum as always

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Beirdo:

1088 when encoded :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just reading that 'catchthewavetv.com' site

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sphery:

ahh

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Beirdo:

why is there no fanart for Wipeout?!

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sphery:

heh, makes sense to try that since he mentioned it in the thread

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wagnerrp:

also, dcsys.org

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[R]:

wagnerrp: its VGA!?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: uh huh

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Beirdo:

VGA does work still, ya know :)

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

five bucks says its VIA based

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Beirdo:

just buy a TV that supports it

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[R]:

my tv has vga, but limits to 1024x768

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Beirdo:

I do 1080i on VGA sometimes

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sphery:

my tv has DVI but limits it to 1280x1024

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sphery:

allows full 1920x1080 via vga

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Beirdo:

the TV sends the DDC data back to the video card...

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Beirdo:

works well on my Samsung

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sphery:

yeah, mine is a sammy

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Beirdo:

but HDMI would be preferrable, of course

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Beirdo:

the mythbox is on DVI/HDMI

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sphery:

no, DisplayPort would be preferrable

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Beirdo:

and the devel box (that's not really deployed yet) is on VGA

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sphery:

HDMI's only benefit is to patent holders

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

whatever

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sphery:

though the whole audio-in-the-same-cable part of HDMI/DisplayPort is wrong

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Beirdo:

HDMI is beneficial when that's what the majority of your TV's connections are :)

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sphery:

that's the only down side to DisplayPort

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sphery:

the patent mafia has made it impossible to find equipment that supports it

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sphery:

(at least CE equipment)

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wagnerrp:

looks like that thing is basically just a 3rd party boxee box

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it has xbmc also

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sphery:

wagnerrp: box-f?

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sphery:

or box-ef

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sphery:

then comes box-gee

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sphery:

after that it gets tough

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wagnerrp:

box-eye would work

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dougt_:

hmm. should I file a bug about Wife-Agro for not recording big brother tonight. :-)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

of course if they called it eye-box, Apple would come down hard

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wagnerrp:

dougt_: thats not a bug, thats a *feature*

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sphery:

dougt_: what happened?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has a rudimentary AI that has decided big brother is below a minimum bar of respectability, and has refused to record it

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dougt_:

lol

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[R]:

but it also records all taht crapy ABC family stuff

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dougt_:

that was what I was thinking.

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dougt_:

sphery: no idea. she says it was suppose to be on tonight, but my listing clearly doesn't show it. :-)

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dougt_:

i am attempting to cast the blame on Comcast.

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wagnerrp:

if the listings dont show it, then its a guide data problem

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dougt_:

hmmm. i have a patch... ice cream. bbiab

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sphery:

#862[6–8] = Qt settings UI must die!

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wagnerrp:

blame TMS

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sphery:

dougt_: yeah, shows up on my schedule... "The veto competition takes place. (CC, Stereo) ", not a rerun, good programid, title, etc.

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sphery:

so you need to check your Previously Recorded (within 10 days) to find out why it didn't record

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sphery:

dougt_: my guess is that it's re-airing on Wed Aug, 11, and your system decided to record something else because you've enabled, "Reschedule higher priorities"

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sphery:

so next week she can find out

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sphery:

maybe not... that's a different one

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dougt_:

sphery: fwiw, icecream is a great work around.

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dougt_:

Recording Priority mean greater numbers are more important?

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sphery:

in the simplest of cases, yes

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sphery:

but remember that when you have priorities on cardinputs (always bad) and channels (almost always bad) and then modify things like HDTV priority and caption priority, you're not talking about the simplest of cases

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

another setup ticket for ya, sphery

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

gonna be fun for someone to close em all when the setup's redone

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wagnerrp:

why is it so hard to explain to someone that we do not support hardware, we support linux interfaces, and can access any hardware whose drivers implement them

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dougt_:

are the settings for what encoder/tuners you are using stored in a sql table, or somewhere else?

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wagnerrp:

database, yes

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sphery:

if you mean which input was used to record a specific show, then database, no

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sphery:

but if you mean, "is the configuration of my inputs stored in the database," then database, yes

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

yes

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dougt_:

coolio

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wagnerrp:

always so wordy... youre just as bad as that michael dean character

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I always say, "1000 words are worth a picture"

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sphery:

and I paint a lot of pictures with my words

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Beirdo:

I'm a PC... and Windows 7 copied MythTV

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Beirdo:

I'm bored... should go to bed, perhaps

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mzb:

I'm getting weird thing happening on a new frontend I'm building

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mzb:

this machine has been used for the same purpose in the past, although I've now got an 866MHz CPU instead of 1GHz

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mzb:

the error I get, when attempting to playback a recording, is "Unable to initialise video device"

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mzb:

I've done a complete rebuild, recompiled from scratch, wiped the database of all settings ...

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mzb:

what am I doing wrong, and how can I fix it?

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mzb:

(I'd like to find the 1GHz processor, but that's another story;))

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mzb:

plays quite happily with "Standard" rather than "Standard-XvMC" ... weird

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mzb:

maybe I changed XvMCConfig _after_ the compile? ... try again

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christip:

Hi, after every boot of my mythbuntu 10.04 system I get the following error when trying to watch live tv: "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?". I use mythtv version 25409 (trunk) and a Hauppauge HVR 1900 (I use the analog input).

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benomatic:

any dutch users here have advice on getting channel scan to work? i tried scan all, but no love. (this is via hauppauge pvr-500). unfortunately i can't read enough dutch to leverage the dutch mythtv wiki pages :(

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christip:

To temporarily fix this issue I have to close mythfrontend, open mythbackend setup, go to the TV card section, delete the string "/dev/video0" and write exactly the same string in again. After rebooting the error occurs again. Does anybody know how to fix this problem?

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benomatic:

stupid is as stupid does. old ntsc switch was overriding. scan works. now to just get actual channels.

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BtbN:

Hey, i have a problem with MythTV on gentoo using pulseaudio sound backend. The problem is quite simple: I have no sound, and i have no idea, why

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xand:

BtbN: get rid of pulseaudio

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xand:

BtbN: it's not supported by mythtv

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xand:

it's a pile of junk IMO, doesn't work with various other things either such as wine

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BtbN:

xand, i need it, and it is usefull. And MythTV even shows me the PulseAudio device and accesses Pulse native

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BtbN:

so it looks like Pulse is supported

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BtbN:

And pulseaudio is not the problem here

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lyricnz:

pa sucks

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BtbN:

Myth just does not play sound

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BtbN:

PA is the only simple way for me to get audio

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lyricnz:

what's wrong with oss or alsa?

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BtbN:

The soundcard is on a remote device

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BtbN:

PulseAudio manages the network-streaming

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BtbN:

alsa and oss arent able to do this

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BtbN:

and PA allows runtime switching of output-devices

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BtbN:

per-app volume

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BtbN:

all things that arent possible without it

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BtbN:

so PA will stay.

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xand:

it's not supported according to the mythtv wiki

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BtbN:

then it's outdated

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xand:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound#PulseAudio

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BtbN:

MythTV accesses PA antive, not using any wrappers

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BtbN:

so it has support

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BtbN:

and PA is not the problem here.

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xand:

I bet it is

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BtbN:

no.

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BtbN:

MythTV appera in Player list, there is just no sound coming from it

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BtbN:

as if it fails to decode the audio stream

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BtbN:

Nobody an idea why MythTV fails to decode the audio?

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sid3windr:

by all means ignore the problem :)

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BtbN:

wtf?

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BtbN:

I have no sound, and i don't know why. Which audio-decoder does MythTV use?

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benomatic:

i have funky output — not quite scrambled, but somehow out of sync, from a used pvr500 card. the previous owner says it worked fine for him 2mos. ago when last used, so trusting that, i assume it's misconfigured somehow. suggestions? (output from /dev/video0 is here: http://filevo.com/w2gxnnf4m3mh.html )

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sid3windr:

benomatic: I 'm downloading your file now, but I suspect I have the same problem as you since I upgraded from .21 to .23

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sid3windr:

filevo is quite slow :|

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benomatic:

yeah, previously it's been good to me, but it definitely is slow right now

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sid3windr:

recaptcha also gave me an unsolvable captcha

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sid3windr:

so I guess I'll be waiting some more :p

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benomatic:

i had a working system in the US, moved to the NL, bought a PAL pvr500, and this is where i am. i spose it's not technically a myth problem, considering that the output above is directly from /dev/video0, which i think means itvt layer.

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sid3windr:

oh right, video0 output

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sid3windr:

hmmm

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sid3windr:

my myth recording is at http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/broken500.mpg

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sid3windr:

maybe you're faster in downloading that

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sid3windr:

than I am in getting yorus

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sid3windr:

:p

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sid3windr:

*yours

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sid3windr:

oh wait, it's coming in now ;)

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sid3windr:

yep, same.

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sid3windr:

did you try to boot without starting the backend, and checking if it's still like that?

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sid3windr:

because for me it really came with the upgrade

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sid3windr:

so I wonder if myth is setting something wrong somewhere

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sid3windr:

or maybe my card just went bust somehow

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sid3windr:

(pvr500 pal as well, in belgium)

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sid3windr:

sound is ok, right? :)

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benomatic:

yeah. yours looks like mine. so... bonus that i'm not alone. just need a sol'n :)

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benomatic:

unfortunately i can't reboot my box right now, cuz it's in the middle of another job that i don't want to restart. i could rmmod/insmod drivers i spose.

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

well maybe the hardware is in $state

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sid3windr:

I already tried rmmoding and stuff

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sid3windr:

but I actually didn't try what I said above, being not starting backend and catting the device itself

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sid3windr:

I'm also happy not to be alone anymore, but I don't know how to fix ;/

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benomatic:

wish i had a win box to stick it in for a quick and dirty test, but no dice there either.

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benomatic:

interesting. since rmmod/modprobe, now i just get pure static w/ lots of blue lines. hrm. perhaps i need to set channel manually tho.

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sid3windr:

probably yup

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benomatic:

damn. i set channel, and it video0 worked flawlessly!

[13:26:39]

benomatic:

i don't know whether to rejoice or cry. i will start myth again with fingers crossed.

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benomatic:

myth doesn't work, but video0 continues to generate good data. perhaps i have to manually specify the channel freqs or sth.

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benomatic:

sid3windr: final summary — i got picture on myth, and it wavers back and forth, having moments of clarity, and periods of pure funk. the audio is almost always fine, but does get caught up once in a while.

[13:43:55]

sid3windr:

:) same here :[

[13:44:00]

sid3windr:

sometimes I'm like hey it's fixed

[13:44:05]

sid3windr:

just so it can confuse me again 2 seconds later ;)

[13:44:10]

sid3windr:

audio is always 100% ok for me :/

[13:44:32]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: can you provide a screenshot of it "wavering"?

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sid3windr:

devinheitmueller: if mpg is ok, see http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/broken500.mpg

[13:44:49]

** devinheitmueller looks **

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sid3windr:

when I watch live tv it's ok for me btw, benomatic — but I have 2 pvr500 and I did not check yet if myth used the same card/tuner as my recordings (which are all broken)

[13:45:36]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: what card is this?

[13:45:43]

sid3windr:

hauppauge pvr500 :)

[13:45:45]

benomatic:

devinheitmueller: i can do that too. it's a pvr500, just bought it used.

[13:45:51]

devinheitmueller:

hmm...

[13:45:58]

benomatic:

hang a sec and i'll get screen shots (dunno if you saw filevo link above)

[13:46:21]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: Yeah, I've looked at the mpeg.

[13:46:26]

devinheitmueller:

no need for screenshots.

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sid3windr:

that was my mpeg, benomatic 's is at http://filevo.com/w2gxnnf4m3mh.html but it's basically the same

[13:46:47]

sid3windr:

:)

[13:46:53]

sid3windr:

jumpy jumpy

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devinheitmueller:

Is this with MPEG capture, or are you doing raw capture and creating mpeg in software.

[13:47:31]

sid3windr:

broken500.mpg is from mythtv

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benomatic:

mpeg cap

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sid3windr:

which does mpeg capture

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benomatic:

i have an hvr-4000, and several ppl here rec'd the 500 to avoid messing w/ sw

[13:48:16]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, that's right, the PVR-500 doesn't do have raw capture under Linux.

[13:48:18]

benomatic:

devinheitmueller: http://imgur.com/a/1OZ16/mythtv_pvr500_funk

[13:48:32]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: Does this always happen, or does it only occur with this particular video source?

[13:49:02]

benomatic:

since moving to NL it's the only thing i've tried so far.

[13:49:22]

benomatic:

same box w/ hvr-1600 in us worked just fine, although i believe mythbuntu has had an update since then (may)

[13:49:23]

devinheitmueller:

Is this output from a cable box? Or is it from a VCR or DVD player?

[13:49:29]

benomatic:

output from analog cable

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sid3windr:

:-)

[13:49:38]

devinheitmueller:

ok

[13:49:45]

devinheitmueller:

hmmm....

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benomatic:

(i'm in rental apt, and upgrading cable isn't a sensible option for me here)

[13:50:46]

benomatic:

sid3windr: i assume you're also analog, ja?

[13:50:55]

iamlindoro:

And to ask the obvious, this is a PAL PVR-500?

[13:50:55]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: where are you located?

[13:50:56]

devinheitmueller:

(geographically)

[13:51:00]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I was just wondering if he is now on PAL.

[13:51:15]

benomatic:

indeed. bought it form a local dutch guy who said it was working fine for him as of 2 mos ago (at last use)

[13:51:22]

benomatic:

indeed re PAL, that is.

[13:51:25]

benomatic:

i'm in utrecht

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devinheitmueller:

benomatic: did you reconfigure the PVR-500 for PAL?

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awalls:

devinheitmueller: PVR-500 does raw capture, just goofy format

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benomatic:

devinheitmueller: you mean the myth config settings to be pal? yes

[13:51:56]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: Yeah, I didn't think the HM12 stuff was available to MythTV though.

[13:52:04]

benomatic:

although i didn't monkey w/ the other PAL-extensions

[13:52:12]

sid3windr:

benomatic: yep, analog from tv cable as well

[13:52:21]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: Also, is this coming off the tuner input, or are you using the composite or s-video input?

[13:52:26]

benomatic:

tuner

[13:52:28]

sid3windr:

tuner

[13:52:28]

sid3windr:

:)

[13:52:36]

devinheitmueller:

benomatic: try the s-video input.

[13:52:48]

sid3windr:

how do you connect your analog cable to the s-video input? ;)

[13:53:04]

benomatic:

that will take some doing. i think my wii has s-video output, but if not i will have to acquire something that does :)

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devinheitmueller:

sid3windr: I thought he was coming out the box of an analog cable box.

[13:53:10]

sid3windr:

no

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sid3windr:

analog cable from the wall

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sid3windr:

into tuner

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benomatic:

no box — regular raw cable

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

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devinheitmueller:

gotcha.

[13:53:23]

awalls:

Use the composite out from the Wii

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benomatic:

yeah, that's how i would use it generally, but i haven't even unpacked it

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, definitely the first question is whether this is a PVR-500 that is meant for PAL.

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benomatic:

it definitely is. says so on the chips.

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

[13:54:00]

devinheitmueller:

wait, what?

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devinheitmueller:

Which chips?

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awalls:

v4l2-ctl --log status -d /dev/video0

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awalls:

Should say the tuner standard

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benomatic:

is that what pal/ntsc mismatch looks like?

[13:54:35]

awalls:

dmesg output will also dump out the Haup EEPROM info.

[13:54:46]

devinheitmueller:

It could be. The offsets of the corruption are around the point where PAL/NTSC cut off (480 versus 576)

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awalls:

Forget looking at chips

[13:55:06]

benomatic:

[19681.045118] tveeprom 1–0050: TV standards PAL(B/G) PAL(I) SECAM(L/L') PAL(D/D1/K) (eeprom 0x74)

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, that is promising.

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benomatic:

(s/log status/log-status/ btw)

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, run "v4l2-ctl --log status -d /dev/video0" like awalls suggested.

[13:55:51]

benomatic:

that's where that line came from. you want me to pastebin the whole thing?

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awalls:

It'll show you the state of video detection, so sure

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, please pastebin the whole output.

[13:57:00]

awalls:

To me it looks like your cable signal is too weak or too strong

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awalls:

Probably too strong, so it is overdriving your tuner, screwing up the sync

[13:57:22]

sid3windr:

devinheitmueller: also, for my card, it used to work, just stopped working properly after I upgraded mythtv (it's definitely a pal)

[13:57:26]

stoth:

video getting blown out or noisy?

[13:57:33]

benomatic:

http://pastebin.com/LDpKWQAU (did video0 and video1 in order – should be same since 500)

[13:58:49]

awalls:

sync problems: http://imgur.com/a/1OZ16/mythtv_pvr500_funk

[13:58:49]

devinheitmueller:

stoth: http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/broken500.mpg

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stoth:

awalls: is it rolling?

[14:00:05]

awalls:

I haven't looked at the video. I'm on a machine without mplayer installed right now.

[14:00:17]

stoth:

ohh, that's not a sync issue

[14:00:39]

stoth:

looks more like a memory or buffering related issue.

[14:00:47]

stoth:

encoder related not video decoder I'd say.

[14:01:53]

stoth:

the static image above doesn't do it justice. The video is interesting.

[14:01:59]

benomatic:

in case previously missed, dd if=/dev/video0 produces perfectly fine video, afaict.

[14:01:59]

awalls:

The -log-status output did look good... so ok

[14:02:16]

benomatic:

(i'm redoing to check again and make sure wasn't just a moment of clarity.)

[14:02:25]

stoth:

so what capturing this broken500.mpg?

[14:02:31]

awalls:

I've seen the CX23418 encoder do funny stuff on stop & restart in mythtv

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stoth:

awalls: OH....

[14:02:47]

awalls:

(two stacked half height images)

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sid3windr:

hmm

[14:02:53]

sid3windr:

for me it doesnt

[14:02:56]

stoth:

awalls: I saw stuff like this early on with the 1600.

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sid3windr:

cx25840 1–0044: Video signal: not present

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sid3windr:

cx25840 1–0044: Detected format: NTSC-M

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sid3windr:

cx25840 1–0044: Specified standard: PAL-BDGHI

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sid3windr:

that's video0

[14:03:28]

awalls:

I recall after a number of cx18 buffering fixes, the problem went away for the HVR-1600

[14:03:34]

sid3windr:

cx25840 3–0044: Video signal: present

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sid3windr:

cx25840 3–0044: Detected format: PAL-BDGHI

[14:03:34]

sid3windr:

cx25840 3–0044: Specified standard: PAL-BDGHI

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sid3windr:

and this is video1

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sid3windr:

(sorry for flooding)

[14:03:45]

stoth:

It really looks like an encoder bug. Not so much a plain old setup problem, just badly operating encoder. The PS itself is in OK shape, so probably the encoder.

[14:04:00]

benomatic:

stoth: broken500.mpg was a mythtv capture, i think (from sid3windr)

[14:04:04]

sid3windr:

yup

[14:04:07]

awalls:

Card is used. First CX23416 might be flaky.

[14:04:21]

stoth:

audio appreas to be ok btw, not sure if this was mentioned.

[14:04:41]

benomatic:

if the card is the prob, then why does /dev/video0 direct access come out clean?

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awalls:

ah, good point.

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benomatic:

(that was what i was using to check the card itself. i have no win or other box to use as double check.)

[14:05:14]

benomatic:

i can upload that vid to filevo if you like (or someplace else)

[14:05:49]

stoth:

Myth has odd ball requirements for encoders, 32000 audio and odd video resolution sizes by default.

[14:05:57]

stoth:

480x480 iirc

[14:06:01]

benomatic:

does myth do its own direct ivtv controls? is there some way i can sniff the tuning step to see how it differs from my trivial cmd line?

[14:06:29]

stoth:

oh, interesting. VLC reports the audio in broken500 at 48KHz and the video.....

[14:06:30]

benomatic:

ftr, this is my line to snag directly: ssh butler 'ivtv-tune -t europe-west -d /dev/video0 -c 22 >/dev/null; dd if=/dev/video0 bs=1M count=32' | dd of="video0-`date +%s`.mpg"

[14:06:34]

awalls:

Use the ivtv debug module option to turn on mailbox/API debugging

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stoth:

480x576x25

[14:06:47]

stoth:

yes, 480.

[14:07:08]

awalls:

and turn on ioctl() debugging too

[14:07:20]

stoth:

I would hazard a guess that the dd command sets up the default encoder to 720x576 for pal

[14:07:33]

benomatic:

awalls: googling doesn't point me to that directly — you have link for how to add debug opts?

[14:07:39]

stoth:

myth specifically asks for something a little funky. Can't you adjust myth for 720x576?

[14:07:43]

awalls:

dd leaves it at what ever the video node was already set at, V4L2 API spec.

[14:08:00]

stoth:

unless the driver has a bug.

[14:08:04]

awalls:

modinfo ivtv

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awalls:

echo 511 > /sys/module/ivtv/params/debug

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awalls:

Or something like that

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stoth:

Either way, looks like a weird myth resolution. Change it in myth and the probably will likely go away.

[14:09:07]

sid3windr:

I think I fixed my problem. :P

[14:09:12]

sid3windr:

but I can't tell because I'm not at home

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benomatic:

sid3windr: que?

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sid3windr:

mythtv had video[1234] as pvr500 set up

[14:09:38]

sid3windr:

but after reboot they are [0123]

[14:09:50]

sid3windr:

and video4 is another card

[14:10:01]

** awalls muses about the discussion on #v4l earlier today **

[14:10:19]

sid3windr:

I wonder if it somehow tried to setup video4 with the pal settings, then tried to record from "ivtv card 4"

[14:10:21]

Gibby:

Did I just read a post right.... myth does not encode then stream it just streams.....?

[14:10:38]

sid3windr:

or something.

[14:10:49]

awalls:

For ivtv and cx18 cards, MtyhTV does not encode, no need

[14:10:59]

sid3windr:

let's see if I can make it record something :)

[14:11:41]

CyberKnet:

sid3windr: usually scheduling something to record will do that ;)

[14:11:47]

sid3windr:

yes

[14:11:48]

sid3windr:

obviously ;)

[14:11:59]

CyberKnet:

Just trying to be helpful :P

[14:12:08]

awalls:

So will live TV and pressing the Y key to get the right input

[14:12:08]

sid3windr:

hehe

[14:12:17]

sid3windr:

had to open up the firewall to get to mythweb

[14:12:21]

sid3windr:

awalls: I'm at work, mythbox is at home ;)

[14:12:31]

Gibby:

awalls: bummer, I don't want mythtv for recording just streaming all my videos to different places in the house.... which would require encoding for full HD

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benomatic:

awalls: http://pastebin.com/JnUMQUjh — ioctl level debugging, in case it means more to you than me :)

[14:13:26]

CyberKnet:

Anyone tried out the recently reported tree that had analog support for the saa7164?

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benomatic:

that's via mythtv watching, not dd

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sid3windr:

looks fixed, for me.

[14:14:18]

sid3windr:

unless it used another encoder now

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sid3windr:

:p

[14:14:20]

awalls:

benomatic: Looks like mailbox debugging to me. And it looks normal.

[14:14:31]

sid3windr:

I should just get the upgrade to dvb-s over and done with

[14:14:31]

sid3windr:

:/

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awalls:

benomatic: There's really not much to be done when the CX23416 goes off doing the wrong thing.

[14:15:39]

benomatic:

sid3windr: goed!

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benomatic:

i presume there's no place to specify the "native" pixel size for myth?

[14:16:19]

awalls:

You can turn on ioctl() debugging to see what conditions MtyhTV sets up to possibly cause the problem case.

[14:16:24]

awalls:

YEs there is.

[14:16:29]

awalls:

REcording profiles

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benomatic:

is that FE or BE?

[14:16:49]

** awalls can't get my finger off the shift key fast enough **

[14:18:18]

awalls:

Gibby: mythtv can do transcoding, it just doesn't do it by default for ivtv and cx18 MPEG captures

[14:18:36]

awalls:

since well, they're already MPEG captures

[14:18:59]

awalls:

I honestly don't know what mythtv does by default for raw video captures

[14:19:17]

awalls:

And digital video captures are already MPEG compressed

[14:19:22]

wagnerrp:

mythbackend cannot do encoding for ivtv or digital captures

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wagnerrp:

the option is simply not available

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awalls:

Thanks for the clarification wagnerrp

[14:19:51]

wagnerrp:

and running mythtranscode through the jobqueue is not default for any recording rules

[14:20:32]

benomatic:

awalls: dumb question. is 511 an octal mask, or something else in your debug line above?

[14:20:59]

awalls:

It's 0x1ff, a mask, yes

[14:21:20]

Gibby:

ok, I think that answers my question guys, thanks, now I just got to get my PS3 to recognize the vidoes, it sees the mythbackend just no videos....

[14:21:22]

awalls:

I just knew that would turn on a lot of the debug flags from memory

[14:21:24]

benomatic:

ok, i wasn't sure what sort (hex, decimal, octal). i spose i should've converted to see 1ff

[14:21:32]

benomatic:

or just recognized, really

[14:21:42]

benomatic:

yeah, thaht included ioctl already

[14:21:44]

wagnerrp:

Gibby: videos or recordings?

[14:21:52]

Gibby:

videos

[14:22:05]

wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups for mythvideo?

[14:22:12]

Gibby:

yes, cifs mount

[14:22:22]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, the "trick modes in livetv" guy is back

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wagnerrp:

the upnp server does not use the database for a list of mythvideo content

[14:23:04]

wagnerrp:

it performs its own scan based off the folder listed in the VideoStartupDir setting

[14:23:20]

wagnerrp:

which is the old local file setting for mythvideo in the frontend

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awalls:

benomatic: Hmm, the only ioctl() was one to start and stop the encoder.

[14:23:47]

Gibby:

see i saw in a post it used the "old" way but no one mentioned what the old way was

[14:23:54]

Gibby:

let me go turn on my server real quick

[14:23:57]

wagnerrp:

define the path there in your backend, and next time the backend rescans, it will pick up your video content

[14:24:16]

awalls:

So control ioctl()s were dumped, which implies MythTV didn't change them on that run.

[14:25:05]

Gibby:

what config file is VideoStartupDir setting in?

[14:25:13]

awalls:

/So/So no/

[14:25:14]

benomatic:

setting the rez didn't change anything, despite there being a warning line there. out of curiosity, when you set something to record, does it use the settings of that frontend? or does the backend have a default setting as well?

[14:25:56]

sphery:

Gibby: it's in mythfrontend settings... Utilities/Setup|Setup|Media Settings|Video Settings

[14:26:33]

Gibby:

sphery: wagnerrp just send it is defined on the backend... I don't have any front ends yet, except my PS3

[14:26:46]

sphery:

benomatic: recording is done using the (global) recording profile settings--unless you have digital capture, in which case you get what you're given

[14:27:00]

sphery:

Gibby: it is defined wherever you run mythfrontend

[14:27:04]

wagnerrp:

Gibby: you must run a frontend, with the mythvideo plugin installed, on your backend to set the setting

[14:27:05]

benomatic:

so configuring that by frontend replaces the globals?

[14:27:09]

sphery:

Gibby: so you'll need to start mythfrontend on it to set it

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: its a local setting, so you must set it on the backend running the upnp server

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sphery:

benomatic: no, configuring by frontend sets the values for the only recording profiles that exist (and that are used regardless of host)

[14:28:01]

Gibby:

I have the mythvideo plugin installed on the backend

[14:28:33]

benomatic:

so all frontends have access to the global profiles. so it seems i have little in the way of options, short of getting another card?

[14:29:33]

sphery:

benomatic: are you trying to change the output resolution or the recording resolution?

[14:29:44]

sphery:

I haven't read all of scrollback

[14:29:53]

sphery:

but output resolution is a per-frontend setting

[14:30:00]

wagnerrp:

on ivtv cards, the recording resolution should remain at 720x480

[14:30:03]

sphery:

recording resolution is specific to the recording profiles

[14:30:16]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, that setting should be removed

[14:30:35]

sphery:

as well as support for frame grabbers :)

[14:31:07]

benomatic:

ok, just overrode all the settings to 720x576, and it works

[14:31:18]

benomatic:

all == default, live, high, low.

[14:31:25]

wagnerrp:

or 576 is youre one of those PAL types

[14:31:31]

sphery:

yeah, you need to set it for all used recording profiles

[14:31:35]

benomatic:

and curiously, the client went from black boxing the native res to full size in the midst. but now it's beautiful.

[14:31:37]

sphery:

meaning those 4

[14:31:46]

benomatic:

well, as beautiful as analog gets.

[14:31:50]

sphery:

heh

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benomatic:

thanks for all the help!

[14:32:30]

Gibby:

I found the setting on Mythweb under Video.....

[14:32:39]

benomatic:

next up, getting nl listings to download :)

[14:33:43]

devinheitmuelle1:

benomatic: oh good. I left for a meeting and came back and your problem is fixed. I should do that more often. ;-)

[14:33:50]

benomatic:

hah. changed to possibly invalid channel: "Irrecoverable recorder error"

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benomatic:

i'm not totally certain why it was fixed — the width was already correct in those profiles (and there's a note there about ghosting if set wrong — which i never saw since i set it all up in US, and didn't go back through all those steps). but manually setting them all to the exact size that video0 gave seems to have done it.

[14:35:44]

sphery:

gbee: I have never done the in-kernel driver setup stuff for the remote, and I don't know if they have a plan for the future, but if it's like any other keyboard, I'd guess you have to do setkeycodes for any scancodes generated by your "keyboard" that aren't in the default mapping

[14:36:05]

sphery:

i.e. you no longer have to configure LIRC, but get to configure the kernel, instead

[14:36:52]

sphery:

don't know if they plan some approach that will ensure the mapping for all keys on a particular remote in the future or if they plan to just make all remote buttons use already-mapped scancodes

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gbee:

sphery: appears the plan is to use a static list of codes and just map the remote keys to the best match

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benomatic:

devinheitmueller: you disappeared before i could note: leaving for meetings is rarely a good thing.

[14:38:07]

sphery:

yeah, that would be the easiest approach

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devinheitmueller:

benomatic: yeah, sorry. My wireless is flaky today.

[14:38:43]

awalls:

Blame it on the CME

[14:39:07]

awalls:

or has it all gone by

[14:39:08]

gbee:

of course this is only going to work when the remote is known, so I don't see lirc going away in the near future for those people using remotes other than those they received with their card etc

[14:40:43]

gbee:

seems some keys on this hauppauge remote are unknown to the driver, at least in 2.6.33 and for others I'm not seeing events in X, suggesting that either they aren't generating events or X ignores anything it doesn't recognise

[14:40:58]

awalls:

gbee: Mauro has written some userspace tools change keymaps

[14:41:19]

awalls:

but my opinion is that once one is wrtiing config files, why not just use LIRC.

[14:41:28]

devinheitmueller:

correct. There is an "ir-keymaps" tool which reconfigures the mapping from rc codes to inputdev scancodes.

[14:41:49]

awalls:

There is also some inconsistency in the current maps

[14:42:14]

awalls:

the MCE USB RC-6 remote map uses KEY_NuMERIC_0, _1, etc

[14:42:26]

awalls:

while other remotes use KEY_0, KEY_1, etc.

[14:43:00]

awalls:

or maybe that was KP or KEYPAD instead of NUMERIC

[14:43:19]

sphery:

awalls: yeah, that's about my opinion on the matter... I'm all for making it "just work" for people who don't care to configure it, but LIRC has a lot of benefits for me. LIRC modes, my ability to control exactly how each button is used, and in which applications they're used, and in which applications they're ignored and ...

[14:43:22]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: I believe the goal was to be able to have the inputdev interface work very early in the boot process. So it is easier to run a single command line to load a different map than have a daemon which has to run persistently. Also, the keymaps can be directly compiled into the kernel.

[14:43:29]

awalls:

either way, the digits won't show up in a terminal windows with the MCE remote definition.

[14:43:37]

sphery:

awalls: so, ideally, we'd have both options

[14:44:17]

awalls:

sphery: You do have both options – once all the kinks are worked out

[14:44:30]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: I know that Mauro took a pass over all the in-kernel keymaps and made them consistent at one point. It's possible they drifted since then.

[14:44:43]

stoth:

benomatic: did you find the mythtv resolution fix?

[14:44:44]

sphery:

GNU/Linux will have both options--I mean I hope MythTV keeps both as supported options

[14:44:55]

benomatic:

stoth: yeah, it's working like a champ now. thanks!

[14:44:56]

sphery:

(and other apps I use)

[14:45:02]

stoth:

benomatic: excellent.

[14:45:02]

awalls:

One now just has to turn off the in kernel decoders via sysfs, if you know you are using LIRC exclusively

[14:45:24]

awalls:

stoth: resolution diagnosis +1

[14:45:31]

benomatic:

i would never have predicted it to be a sw rez switch.

[14:46:17]

benomatic:

awalls: you're also due: dank u wel!

[14:46:56]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: I think the goal behind the IR initiative is to follow the Perl mantra – "Making Easy Things Easy & Hard Things Possible"

[14:47:42]

devinheitmueller:

For all those users who have simple RC5/RC6/NEC remotes, they should "just work" without having to hack at lirc. For those with more complicated setups, they can still use lirc to customize it to their heart's content.

[14:48:51]

awalls:

devinheitmueller: I still want to set up the HVR-1850 to recognize both the Haup MCE remote and the Haup grey remote at the same time.

[14:49:17]

awalls:

So no user config at all. I don't think the in kernel system is there yet.

[14:49:23]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: I don't think that scenario is precluded by anything discussed here.

[14:49:34]

awalls:

I'll have to see what changes are needed

[14:49:37]

devinheitmueller:

There is support for multiple remotes on a single receiver.

[14:49:43]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, you mean *by default*?

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, we would probably have to start supporting an array of IR profiles in the board profile.

[14:50:00]

awalls:

I know, except for I think there is only one keymap per receiver currently.

[14:50:01]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: yeah, that sounds like a good approach--I'm just stressing the desire to have MythTV continue to support LIRC :)

[14:50:10]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: of course.

[14:50:33]

** awalls shuffles back off to work **

[14:50:56]

Gibby:

what is LIRC? I would guess something to do with infared remote learning?

[14:51:14]

sphery:

Gibby: Linux Infrared Remote Control http://www.lirc.org/

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Gibby:

sphery: ahhh thanks...

[14:56:05]

sphery:

gbee: btw, I'm not trying to say that working to support this approach isn't a good thing... I think it needs to be done, and I"m glad you're willing to take it on.

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gbee:

sphery: I've been motivated to give it my full attention, but yes, it's worthwhile and the way I plan on implementing it is by creating a generic input layer in myth which all the current input method hook into, e.g. lirc, lcdproc, apple remote and the native input

[15:02:19]

gbee:

so none of that stuff will stop being supported, at least not immediately

[15:03:28]

gbee:

it should also make it cleaner to support other input methods, particularly those on other platforms

[15:04:03]

gbee:

I'm not sure whether we currently support remotes on windows?

[15:04:15]

sphery:

sounds like a great plan for it

[15:04:43]

sphery:

and will definitely clean up a lot of the hacks we have now

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stoth:

awalls: you're going to plumbers this year right?

[15:28:07]

awalls:

Yes.

[15:28:16]

awalls:

Company paid. :)

[15:28:18]

stoth:

awalls: booked your hotel already?

[15:28:22]

stoth:

awalls: nice!

[15:28:26]

awalls:

nope.

[15:28:39]

awalls:

I was planning on the hotel where the conf was at

[15:28:43]

stoth:

me neither, trying to figure out where we should be.

[15:29:04]

stoth:

plumbers tickets on sale yet?

[15:29:17]

awalls:

Company paid was easy to wrangle, since I'm prinicpal engineer and CFO. :)

[15:29:28]

awalls:

Not sure.

[15:29:57]

stoth:

I see how it works. You storm into the CFO's office and demand to go. Easy justification! :)

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awalls:

Actually had to convince the CEO – she's a tough one. ;)

[15:30:37]

** stoth nods **

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[15:31:02]

stoth:

$275 if you book ticket by aug 21st

[15:31:42]

awalls:

I was waiting to see if I also got an invite to the colocated Ksummit (unlikely), since I'm currently on the long list

[15:32:16]

awalls:

I suppose I can make hotel and car early and put off booking the flight

[15:32:19]

stoth:

Ahh, I didn't realize such a listed existed.... and assume I'm not on it.

[15:32:26]

** awalls looks **

[15:32:54]

stoth:

Pity, I was thinking of doing a talk re ATSC-MH

[15:33:12]

awalls:

http://ksummit2010.kernel.org/nominated-list

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awalls:

What the hey, I'll nominate you.

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stoth:

thx

[15:35:54]

stoth:

hotel for conf is $350 / $320 per night

[15:36:07]

wagnerrp:

rather pricey

[15:36:14]

stoth:

yeah, I was thinking that.

[15:36:20]

wagnerrp:

what city?

[15:36:28]

awalls:

Boston area isn't cheap AFAIK

[15:36:45]

awalls:

Combridge, MA IIRC

[15:36:51]

awalls:

/Cambridge/

[15:37:01]

wagnerrp:

hotel in a big city isnt going to be cheap, but $350/night seems awfully excessive

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iamlindoro:

That includes hookers and blow, presumably

[15:37:39]

benomatic:

hrm. www.mythtv.org down?

[15:37:52]

wagnerrp:

has been for some time

[15:38:13]

wagnerrp:

trac was shortly before it went down

[15:38:19]

wagnerrp:

i assume someone is in there tinkering

[15:38:32]

benomatic:

thought i'd check. google has cache of what i want :)

[15:38:51]

stoth:

Bummer, long day: Conference starts at 9am and finished at 5am daily. http://events.linuxfoundation.org/component/r . . . s&did=37

[15:39:18]

wagnerrp:

5...pm?

[15:39:41]

stoth:

Just enough time for the hookers and sleep I hope.

[15:39:42]

** j-rod will be there for plumbers, also hoping to land a kernel summit invite **

[15:39:57]

j-rod:

but I'm local, so no hotel costs

[15:40:20]

stoth:

j-rod: recommend a decent local hotel with near by good food and microbreweries?

[15:40:50]

j-rod:

heh. I should say "local-ish". I live about 30 minutes north of the city, and rarely get down there.

[15:41:00]

j-rod:

but the cambridge brewery right near MIT is good

[15:41:21]

j-rod:

there are a few hotels around there that I'm pretty sure were a lot less than $350/night

[15:41:22]

** stoth nods **

[15:41:51]

j-rod:

and there's a T stop right htere

[15:42:32]

j-rod:

we had a fudcon at MIT a year or two ago, iirc, and most people stayed at a hotel that was halfway between the MIT campus and the Cambridge Brewery

[15:42:56]

stoth:

Optimal planning I'd say.

[15:43:16]

mzb:

I know one error msg might not mean much but I'm getting this:

[15:43:18]

mzb:

MythSocket(7fd0cc007b30:20): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

[15:43:20]

j-rod:

yeah, it worked quite well. MIT even has parking.

[15:43:31]

mzb:

when I try to connect either/both of my slave backends

[15:43:37]

stoth:

brb

[15:43:41]

mzb:

(one doesn't have any tuners)

[15:43:57]

mzb:

end result is that the master BE locks

[15:44:09]

mzb:

any suggestions?

[15:47:56]

mzb:

BE still apppears active, but refuses connections (and recordings fail, I think)

[15:48:48]

mzb:

on the slave it looks like: MythSocket(92f81a0:32): readStringList: Connection died (select)

[15:48:58]

j-rod:

sphery: haha. my "discussion" with rich continuesâ€¦ :)

[15:49:13]

** j-rod just having fun now, poking the bear with a sharp stickâ€¦ muahahaha **

[15:49:22]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: Yeah, definitely if you can suggest some hotels in the area, that would be helpful.

[15:49:31]

j-rod:

well, and also arguing my point that its a *mythtv* box

[15:49:55]

j-rod:

I'll see if I can figure out what the hotels near MIT were

[15:50:13]

devinheitmueller:

I can certainly do a expedia search, if you don't know of any personally.

[15:51:27]

awalls:

I have a former colleague who did his physics undergrad work at MIT.

[15:51:43]

awalls:

I'll ask if he knows any good places near the Hyatt

[15:51:50]

devinheitmueller:

cool.

[15:52:06]

devinheitmueller:

I would like to do this on the cheap. As far as I'm concerned, a hotel is just a place to sleep.

[15:52:34]

j-rod:

boston marriot cambridge, we apparently got a $99/night rate

[15:52:48]

j-rod:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:FUDConF11

[15:52:48]

devinheitmueller:

That's much more in line with what I was thinking.

[15:53:22]

j-rod:

and I'm pretty sure that's the one that sits right atop the red line, between MIT and the Cambridge Brewery

[15:53:36]

mzb:

notes: _not_ running ubuntu, not running a firewall, etc

[15:57:13]

j-rod:

devinheitmueller/stoth/awalls: Boston Marriot Cambridge is ~1.4 miles from the plumbers venue

[15:57:55]

mzb:

strange, I don't seem to be able to optimise the db

[15:58:13]

j-rod:

not sure you'd be able to get the $99 rate, but certainly ought to be able to get something for less than half what the "offiical" hotel charges

[15:59:22]

awalls:

j-rod: yeah, checking google maps now

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mzb:

*sigh* ... now the backend is stuck on "Checking database tables"

[15:59:43]

awalls:

The courtyard by Marriott is closer, but doesn't look well located

[15:59:44]

mzb:

this is getting worse :|

[16:00:20]

** j-rod heading out for a bit... **

[16:00:25]

awalls:

I have a friend at Marriot HQ in Bethesda, so I can bug him for a rate for me.

[16:00:40]

awalls:

Other guys are on your own.

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mzb:

heh ... rootfs was full (mythbackend log!)

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mzb:

nope, no difference to the slave-backend issue

[16:07:27]

mzb:

very annoying

[16:21:28]

devinheitmueller:

awalls: interesting. Apparently I was nominated and didn't even know it.

[16:22:05]

devinheitmueller:

(unless this was some sort of autogenerated list based on patch count or something)

[16:22:14]

stoth:

thanks j-rod

[16:22:45]

stoth:

j-rod: Copley Place?

[16:23:53]

awalls:

devinheitmueller: Inital list was base off of number of commits/acks/reviews in GIT since Jan 2009

[16:24:00]

devinheitmueller:

ah

[16:24:04]

stoth:

lol, rates are 299 per night

[16:26:59]

awalls:

Where's Copley place: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_ . . . 272&z=15

[16:27:25]

iamlindoro:

Copley Place is a mall a few blocks south of copley square

[16:27:42]

iamlindoro:

Can just go up Huntington, right on Mass Ave, and take that to Cambridge

[16:28:00]

iamlindoro:

5–10 minute cab ride to Cambridge, max

[16:28:17]

iamlindoro:

And a nice area

[16:29:37]

awalls:

Ah, and it's on the other side of the river in Boston.

[16:30:02]

iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

That said, all the good stuff to do is in Boston anyway ;)

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Misto:

hi there

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mrFrank:

hello

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abarbaccia:

if I buy a NAS and use it for storage of videos/recordings, a dedicated backend which will mount the NAS and a frontend (which can also mount the NAS), and i go to play a file. will the files stream from NAS -> Backend -> Frontend --- or --- NAS -> Frontend

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mrFrank:

i have a couple of issues with EIT data on 0.23 (mythbuntu) with nova t-500

[17:21:46]

mrFrank:

anybody with similar experince?

[17:24:44]

wagnerrp:

abarbaccia: if the files are mounted on the frontend in exactly the same location as the backend, the frontend will play them directly

[17:26:28]

abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: so, if I create a mount point on the backend of /mythtv/ and the same exists on the frontend, it will not take the long route... smart!

[17:27:21]

sphery:

j-rod: heh, fun thread

[17:27:44]

wagnerrp:

when myth tries to access any storage group based content, it will attempt to find the file locally, and failing that, will request it from the backend

[17:28:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what is this 'mike @ grounded' doing with an ATSC card and a DVB-S2 card?

[17:28:05]

abarbaccia:

beautiful – thanks for the explanation. looks like the NAS purchase is gonna go through then :)

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Beirdo:

So... found something interesting last night

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wagnerrp:

left before i could tell him not to buy a NAS...

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Beirdo:

my TV sees all the recordings via UPnP.

[17:28:59]

Beirdo:

however, my DirecTV receiver doesn't, and neither does the DLink DSM-510

[17:29:13]

Beirdo:

and the DSM-510 can't play H.264 (piece of crap)

[17:29:26]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: why not buy a NAS?

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Beirdo:

it's a centralized storage setup over NFS. You can build out a server to do it, or use one premade with hotswappable drives

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: why use one when you already have a nice linux backend capable of the same behavior

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Beirdo:

because you want more drive capacity?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, like a system running an Atom with 256MB RAM and hosting mysqld and mythbackend will make a good file server

[17:32:20]

peitolm:

wagnerrp: perhaps his backend only has 2 ide ports, and 1 pci slot

[17:32:20]

Beirdo:

I don't intend to crack my mythbox open to put more drives in :)

[17:32:34]

sphery:

don't you know what "the perfect MythTV backend" is like, these days?

[17:32:38]

Beirdo:

well, I will short-term, but not later

[17:32:58]

sphery:

(that was a joke)

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** peitolm wonders if patches to enable mythtv to build on solaris would be worth attempting to submit **

[17:33:27]

sphery:

peitolm: more worthwhile to submit than to actually create

[17:33:32]

sphery:

in other words, why?

[17:33:46]

sphery:

you already have a great platform for MythTV on GNU/Linux :)

[17:34:06]

peitolm:

sphery: because i don't need to have another box that running all the time

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peitolm:

and linux doesn't do ZFS

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Beirdo:

peitolm: you want what running? the backend?

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sphery:

or mythjobqueue/mythcommflag/mythtranscode

[17:35:29]

Beirdo:

I doubt that will work too well in Solaris unless you have all USB tuners, and then MAYBE

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Beirdo:

the jobqueue stuff, sure

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sphery:

the latter being more likely to be useful, the former being not so useful because of ^^^ lack of V4L support

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Beirdo:

aye

[17:36:00]

sphery:

and jobqueue stuff could easily be stuffed in a VM running on Solaris

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peitolm:

Beirdo: the master backend

[17:36:26]

Beirdo:

peitolm: good luck getting V4L captures under Solaris

[17:36:34]

peitolm:

Beirdo: there are ways

[17:36:46]

peitolm:

Beirdo: that's not my issue

[17:37:00]

** peitolm seems to recall a slave backend doesn't need a tuner **

[17:37:08]

peitolm:

or has that changed

[17:37:11]

sphery:

until we support tuner-less backend, you really shouldn't

[17:37:12]

gbee:

xfs etc work just fine, it's shocking, but true

[17:37:18]

sphery:

all backends currently require tuners

[17:37:29]

Beirdo:

sphery: we do have a dummy tuner in trunk ;)

[17:37:31]

wagnerrp:

peitolm: mythbackend runs on freebsd, if you can live with a slightly older version of ZFS

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sphery:

gbee: what, you don't choose your platform based on file system? :)

[17:37:47]

peitolm:

wagnerrp: *shudder*

[17:37:54]

sphery:

Beirdo: actually we've had it since 0.18 or so... was just hard to configure

[17:38:20]

sphery:

so users chose to run an unsupported tunerless backend instead

[17:38:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, but we "officially" have it now :)

[17:38:50]

sphery:

yeah, and nice to have it easy to set up

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wagnerrp:

i heard someone rigged up a ndis-wrapper type solution that can get any USB tuner driver working under freebsd

[17:39:08]

peitolm:

as long as i can get the sol box to wake up the linux backend with wol, i'll be happy

[17:39:08]

sphery:

I'm glad Johnny and Nigel worked on it

[17:39:28]

sphery:

and I hope Nigel's compromise wasn't due to my post... I just wanted to make sure we didn't lose functionality in the dummy tuner

[17:39:55]

sphery:

peitolm: wol should be easy

[17:40:13]

sphery:

the hard part is getting the solaris box to know /when/ to wol the mythtv box

[17:40:14]

wagnerrp:

yeah, WOL depends more on the hardware than the OS

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peitolm:

sphery: why is that the hard part? isn't it just an external command?

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peitolm:

hold on, that's for tuners,

[17:41:11]

sphery:

mythtv has support for auto-waking slaves

[17:41:18]

sphery:

but only from the master backend

[17:41:23]

peitolm:

sphery: so why do you say it's hard

[17:41:26]

peitolm:

ah

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wagnerrp:

tuners on solaris... the HDHR is probably your only option

[17:41:43]

peitolm:

sphery: if the master is on the solaris box, that should work then, shouldn't it

[17:41:48]

sphery:

there's mythshutdown which allows a system to shut itself down and wake on alarm

[17:42:26]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you *might* be able to do firewire too/

[17:42:28]

Beirdo:

?

[17:42:29]

sphery:

other than the fact that the master still needs to have tuners with the current design... it should work

[17:42:39]

peitolm:

sphery: can the master tell the slaves 'you can sleep now'?

[17:42:45]

sphery:

yes

[17:42:53]

sphery:

but the master needs to be a real system

[17:42:59]

sphery:

that has some tuner

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sphery:

(some configured and usable tuner)

[17:43:26]

sphery:

if you did it with a dummy tuner, you'd be fine

[17:43:34]

Beirdo:

but why?

[17:43:37]

sphery:

but then again, why run on Solaris

[17:43:44]

Beirdo:

if it's just running a dummy, what's the point?

[17:43:52]

Beirdo:

if you need the disk space, use NFS

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sphery:

mainly because we're not communicating based on servers, we're communicating based on tuners

[17:44:13]

sphery:

so until we break out the use of encoderlink, like Capt M plans...

[17:44:22]

Beirdo:

the slave then would become the master, and store over NFS to the Solaris box

[17:45:02]

Beirdo:

I dunno

[17:45:06]

sphery:

yeah, and use wake on alarm with the master backend

[17:45:08]

peitolm:

I want a light-weight, atom sized recorder that only powers up when it's due to record something

[17:45:21]

** sphery hates Atom **

[17:45:28]

peitolm:

my solaris box also does the house email/backups and stuff, so is on all the time

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Beirdo:

sphery: get over it :)

[17:45:33]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

there will be something even worse soon enough

[17:49:05]

sphery:

so, basically, the plan is to design a backend that's low-power and only wakes up to record... Let's say you do a 25W backend system... Now, powering it up for 2hrs of recording per day uses 50Whr... Leaving it powered on for 24hrs per day uses 600Whr. So we're saving 550Whr/day or 16.5kWhr/mo. Assuming a nice conservative estimate of $0.20/kWhr, that's $3.30/mo.

[17:49:39]

peitolm:

sphery: true

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't get it ... The guy wants "to get rid of the many power hungry modulators I'm using now" ... and replace them with Computer systems with MythTV??? Does he think he'll save $$$ on his electric bill?

[17:49:48]

sphery:

so for $3.30/mo, you have to do how much work to make MythTV work on a system that doesn't have good support for MythTV?

[17:50:15]

wagnerrp:

I don't get it ... what computer do you have that consumes 400W?

[17:50:43]

peitolm:

sphery: yep, except the atom boxes are pipedreams, at the moment my record box is a dual duron, which draws significantly more

[17:50:44]

wagnerrp:

for that matter, what do you have that consumes 200W?

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peitolm:

wagnerrp: Wh not W

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wagnerrp:

they made Duron MPs?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Well, my backend, and all the cable boxes, HD-PVRs do... just shy of 400w as measured by my Kill-O-Watt.

[17:51:35]

wagnerrp:

those cable boxes probably pull a fair amount on their own

[17:51:38]

peitolm:

wagnerrp: silver paint, yes

[17:51:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: My backend has 11 drives currently... a bit excessive I'm sure.

[17:52:02]

peitolm:

my house has a constand 1.2KWh draw at the moment

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wagnerrp:

oh, right... the old athlon laser locks

[17:52:52]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: what processors?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: My backend is a 145W Athlon 64 X2 6000+

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wagnerrp:

145? didnt know they made them that high

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wagnerrp:

do you have cool&quiet disabled?

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peitolm:

wagnerrp: i thnk that's the TDP

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peitolm:

wagnerrp: c&q won't alter that i don't think

[17:54:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive never seen a TDP above 130

[17:54:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: frontends are C2D 2.2, Athlon 64 3200+ and an Athlon 64 x2 4000+

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yes, C&Q is disabled.

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sphery:

peitolm: anyway, if you create patches that help with solaris support, they would be considered... I just think it's pretty useless, since what you'll likely have--due to the lack of V4L support/lack of tuner support--will be the same thing you could do in a VM running on your Solaris box

[17:54:34]

wagnerrp:

peitolm: im saying it will help idle consumption considerably

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I was thinking about something. Can I use you guys as a sounding board once more?

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wagnerrp:

i know my backend varies by a good 25W depending on whether its allowed to downclock itself when idle

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wagnerrp:

and thats on a 110W TDP opteron

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gbee:

why would you disable C&Q?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Gbee, people do

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: Athlon 64 X2 6000+ was either 89W or 105W (depending on whether you got the early model)

[17:55:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

probably 105W then... I could have sworn it was 145w... sorry.

[17:55:47]

wagnerrp:

the only reason to disable C&Q is because it causes instability on overclocked processors

[17:55:55]

peitolm:

sphery: hmm, i'd rulled out VM support, but i was forgetting i could run a vbox instance, rather than xVM, thanks for that

[17:55:58]

wagnerrp:

and if youre overclocking, then you have no concern for power consumption anyway

[17:56:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

I don't run over-clocked, just wanted the most performance available.

[17:56:13]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: er, 89W or 125W – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athl . . . roprocessors

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** peitolm doesn't know why he ruled that out before, probably because he wanted to move the tuners to it as well, perhaps that's why **

[17:56:46]

sphery:

peitolm: that said, if you do create patches, please submit them

[17:56:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

Mine's definitely the higher-TDP one – I've looked it up by the actual numbers on the chip before.

[17:57:06]

sphery:

in the past, we've had some, but the last round was rejected because they were too invasive or something

[17:57:16]

gbee:

C&Q doesn't affect performance ...

[17:57:28]

peitolm:

sphery: so far, i've got s/grep/ggrep/ and there's an issue with lame and an awk i haven't yet dug out

[17:57:38]

peitolm:

but i hit some relocation errors and stopped

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sphery:

peitolm: might want to check http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/search?q=solaris

[17:57:53]

sphery:

seems most are old, though

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peitolm:

thanks sphery will do

[17:58:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: doesn't it wreak havoc with playback in some cases?

[17:58:12]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: C&Q doesnt keep the system downclocked, it will scale the speed dynamically based on system load

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wagnerrp:

if you need more processor capacity, it will bump back up to full speed

[17:58:54]

wagnerrp:

the only time ive heard C&Q causing problems with playback is on systems with integrated VDPAU graphics

[17:59:02]

johnnyj:

that guy was /determined/ to top post

[17:59:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm... maybe I'll try enabling it tyen.

[17:59:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: yeah, no kidding.

[17:59:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

'then' even...

[17:59:22]

wagnerrp:

since the decoding is done on the GPU, there is no CPU load and it download clocks, taking the memory controller with it

[17:59:38]

wagnerrp:

since the GPU used main system memory, rather than dedicated memory, it would get starved of bandwidth

[17:59:38]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: with vdpau + IGPs, if you let it switch to < 1800Mhz then yes, but otherwise no

[17:59:43]

wagnerrp:

and cause problems with VDPAU

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mrFrank:

may I ask: is this the place to ask questions about mythtv setup/configuration?

[18:00:07]

wagnerrp:

yes

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gbee:

and you don't need to disable frequency scaling/C&Q to stop it dropping below 1800Mhz, that's configurable

[18:00:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

I do need more HP on my backend though... commflagging h.264 kicks the 6000+'s toosh...

[18:00:52]

gbee:

and it only affects high bandwidth material, e.g. HD H.264 or VC1

[18:00:55]

mrFrank:

so if I have a question about missing EIT/program data this is the place?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: just ask.

[18:01:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: If it's not, we'll try to point you in the right direction. ;-)

[18:01:56]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: btw, I blew up a system, so when I replaced it, I got an Athlon II X2 250 (Regor, 65W), and put it in place of my Athlon X2 6000+ backend system (which is now my MythTV dev box and only runs when I'm coding for MythTV).

[18:02:04]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: it will automatically scale up to the top frequency in that scenario, frequency scaling is completely hidden from the user

[18:02:12]

sphery:

nice to have a nice lower-power-usage backend

[18:02:23]

mrFrank:

well, I just made a fresh installation of mythbuntu 10.04 comming from 9.10. Using a Nova t-500 card and only seeing dvb-t channels. But I don't get any program-data/EIT?

[18:02:33]

sphery:

also replaced the power-hungry 7800 GTX graphics with a 7200

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johnnyj:

sphery: so ive got all this horsepower and I'm still seeing prebuffering pauses

[18:03:10]

sphery:

:(

[18:03:14]

mrFrank:

I can't seem to locate anything in the mythbackend log of interest, but maybe i'm missing something

[18:03:18]

sphery:

prebuffering pauses are always a challenge to figure out

[18:03:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: I've got one box, the Athlon 4000+, that exibits the same issue – even with < 10% cpu busy...

[18:03:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

johnnyj: but it seems to come & go... making it frustrating to troubleshoot.

[18:04:20]

johnnyj:

J-e-f-f-A: it comes and goes, like my free time to debug it

[18:04:22]

peitolm:

sphery: i did the same the other day, i set a series to transcode over night, came back to find my AthlonX2 4200+ dead as a dodo, so i had to go back to my dual duron

[18:04:46]

sphery:

peitolm: do you know what failed in it? mobo or something?

[18:04:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: Did you setup the tuner to use EIT for guide data?

[18:05:03]

sphery:

on mine, I smelled burning and 30s later, the mobo was dead

[18:05:21]

sphery:

still dont' know what caused it

[18:05:26]

johnnyj:

sphery: 'why does everything smell all purple?'

[18:05:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: probably failed caps on that mb, killed the processor...

[18:05:38]

sphery:

I'm wondering if blowing the dust off everything was related

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peitolm:

sphery: it was giving a couple of beeps that seemed to suggest VGA, tried 3 different PCI cards and PCI-E from work and it's still not working, when i have the luxury of time I'll investigate further

[18:05:54]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I looked at them and didn't see any visible signs of damage

[18:06:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: puffs of smoke/burning is never good. DOH!

[18:06:17]

sphery:

but, the smell was definitely something burning

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mrFrank:

J-e-f-f-A: yes, i'm pretty sure that the setup is correct.

[18:10:46]

wagnerrp:

wait a minute

[18:10:54]

wagnerrp:

this guy has blade servers, rack mounted modulators

[18:11:03]

wagnerrp:

and he doesnt realize that h264 has nothing to do with streaming?

[18:12:58]

mrFrank:

J-e-f-f-A: But if that is the only place where EIT is configured I guess I have to go back and run the configuration once again. The only thing is that I had to use a channels.conf file to get the channels. The frequence tuning inside mythtv-backend setup did not give any result

[18:13:01]

j-rod:

stoth, sorry, was out for a bitâ€¦ not marriot copley, marriot cambridge

[18:13:09]

j-rod:

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/boscb-b . . . t-cambridge/

[18:13:24]

j-rod:

says $199/night on the front page

[18:13:43]

j-rod:

but somehow, we (Fedora) got a $99/night group rate

[18:14:26]

stoth:

thx j-rod

[18:14:44]

awalls:

j-rod: yeah, that's the one I thought.

[18:14:59]

mrFrank:

Does any log tell me when the EIT data job is running (if such one exists?)

[18:15:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: I don't use EIT, so I'm not sure I can be of any more help. But I would double-check your 'video sources' to be sure you've got "Use EIT" checked off. And I think you'll have to run 'mythfilldatabase' once manually to initially populate the DB, but again, I don't know for sure with EIT.

[18:16:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: Also, depending on the source, the EIT may be non-existent, or just a few hours, or if you're really lucky a few days...

[18:16:46]

j-rod:

so I started seriously looking at the nuvoton ir driver (for the ir chip in the asrock ion330ht) last night.

[18:16:48]

awalls:

Well, if you try and open the dvb device with mplayer while myth has it open for read, mplayer gripes

[18:16:50]

j-rod:

holy train wreck

[18:17:20]

awalls:

That's how I know EIT job is in progress. :)

[18:17:57]

j-rod:

that assumes you have the card set for 'open on demand' too, I presume

[18:17:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

awalls: Does the mythtv status page on mythweb show the status of the EIT collection?

[18:18:29]

awalls:

I'm not at my myth box right now, so I can't tell you (it's turned off)

[18:19:22]

awalls:

j-rod: IIRC correctly, yes, the card is set for open on demand for EIT

[18:19:52]

j-rod:

I believe its an "open on demand for any use" setting

[18:19:56]

awalls:

It could also mean a recoding is going on, of course

[18:20:13]

j-rod:

been ages since I've actually looked at it though

[18:20:25]

awalls:

j-rod: right. My memory fades pretty quickly

[18:20:37]

mrFrank:

hmm, just checked when running mythfilldatabase: Source 1 configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping

[18:20:38]

j-rod:

and I think mine are just always opened by myth

[18:20:54]

j-rod:

er, are always open, not set to open on demand

[18:20:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: ok, so 'mythfilldatabase' is not required for it...

[18:21:40]

awalls:

Nope, just a channel scan to find the digital OTA channels

[18:21:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: I'm afraid that's where my EIT knowledge ends – sounds like others may be able to help you though...

[18:21:46]

mrFrank:

J-e-f-f-A: ok

[18:22:32]

mrFrank:

well, I'll try to dig a bit further. But thanks so far. Have a nice evening

[18:22:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mrFrank: try the wiki article for EIT: http://mythtv.org/wiki/EIT

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: speaking of train wreck, I can't stop reading this thread

[18:26:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah... I don't know what the guy's running – a Hotel/Motel/Dorm ??? Seems to have 'commercial' equipment (rack-mounted modulators and servers...) Strange.

[18:27:23]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: I think that's a different thread... is that one on the users list?

[18:27:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Maybe I should respond with a link to the Slingbox... ;-)

[18:27:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

yeah.

[18:27:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: "Output to h.264"

[18:28:19]

sphery:

I'm reading the thread on j-rod's LUG mailing list that started after one of the guys on the -users list posted about "MythTV deleted all 850 of my recordings..." (and it turned out his MythWeb had been opened up to the world)

[18:28:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Oh yeah... ;-)

[18:28:36]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: heh, yeah, that one looks to be interesting, too

[18:28:54]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: this is the one I'm reading: http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/2010-A . . . d.html#36927

[18:29:08]

j-rod:

I keep egging the guy on for grins

[18:29:17]

sphery:

yeah, I see that

[18:29:41]

j-rod:

he deletes large portions of what I write and ask about without actually replying to many of the points I make

[18:29:41]

sphery:

especially in response to his, "I might as well give up trying to convince you" message :)

[18:29:56]

j-rod:

yeah, I liked my reply to that one :D

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sphery:

yeah, it looks to me like the typical, "security is so complex that I can just claim that the other guy doesn't understand it," argument

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j-rod:

also seems to be stuck in the notion that his own myth box is hiding government secrets or something

[18:31:45]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[18:32:07]

sphery:

the first point in security is to secure based on the value of the information being protected...

[18:32:23]

sphery:

and either this guy /really/ values his TV or he's forgetting that

[18:34:08]

j-rod:

yeah, I've made the argument that there's nothing on the box of any value to anyone with half a brain

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j-rod:

bittorrent (and/or hulu) is a much easier way to see all the same shows that are on my box

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sphery:

exactly--your comment about how it's easier to get the content from other suorces is exactly true

[18:34:48]

johnnyj:

i like the quote though: "this is where I see you feeling security rather than practicing security. " i may steal that when I'm trying to be obnoxious at a large meeting

[18:35:02]

johnnyj:

i'll use air quotes when I do it

[18:35:09]

sphery:

so the only benefit is whatever joy a sociopath gets from knowing he's doing harm to another

[18:36:33]

** j-rod hasn't looked in a few hours to see if there's another reply... **

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awalls:

j-rod: where's the IR driver train wreck source located at?

[18:42:23]

j-rod:

iirc, there's a source deb on the asrock site

[18:42:24]

sphery:

SSL is "an encrypted link is created between two parties without either party authenticating the other"? The guy hasn't figured out the "Permanently store this certificate" checkbox in Firefox?

[18:42:34]

j-rod:

someone grabbed that, and started porting it to work against my lirc git tree

[18:42:52]

j-rod:

I then grabbed that, and stuck it on top of a local branch in my tree

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j-rod:

haven't pushed it anywhere yet though

[18:43:00]

awalls:

A .deb? :P too much work just to gawk at crappy code.

[18:43:17]

j-rod:

basically, its a pnp device...

[18:43:30]

j-rod:

but all the device vars are static globals

[18:43:43]

j-rod:

no device struct holding everything

[18:43:48]

j-rod:

and just plain ugly looking code

[18:43:59]

awalls:

Well, can there ever be two of this chips in any box?

[18:44:05]

j-rod:

its at least reasonably well documented, albeit in somewhat broken english

[18:44:06]

awalls:

/this/these/

[18:44:25]

j-rod:

probably not

[18:44:36]

awalls:

Ah, vendor written code.

[18:44:41]

j-rod:

yeah

[18:45:23]

j-rod:

however, they were kind enough to provide me with the hardware and datasheet

[18:45:33]

awalls:

Cool!

[18:45:49]

awalls:

Is ir just a receiver or does it do TX as well

[18:45:51]

awalls:

?

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j-rod:

there's code in the driver that suggests some variants of the chip have tx support too

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j-rod:

but this particular hardware only has a receiver

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j-rod:

got one of these from them: http://www.asrock.com/nettop/overview.asp?Model=ION%20330HT-BD

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awalls:

Oooo, shiny!

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j-rod:

here's the original source download: http://www.asrock.com/Nettop/download.asp?Mod . . . &o=Linux

[18:47:58]

j-rod:

they'd actually pinged christoph about getting it into the lirc tree

[18:48:07]

j-rod:

but the driver made him cringe sufficiently too

[18:48:21]

awalls:

"is extraordinarily designed with High Glossy Surface Paint housing, which is similar to the paint of a Mercedes-Benz"

[18:48:31]

awalls:

:D

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j-rod:

hahahaha, hadn't noticed that

[18:49:31]

j-rod:

the remote it comes with sends rc6a signals identical to the mce remotes

[18:49:57]

j-rod:

interestingly, they've incorporated some code from lirc_mod_mce for ir mouse/keyboard support too

[18:50:09]

j-rod:

(which is something on my TODO list to add to the mceusb driver)

[18:51:08]

awalls:

Ooo, hardware wake functionality.

[18:51:40]

awalls:

The CX23888 has that, but getting the rest of the cx23885 driver into low power state properly isn't worth the hassle

[18:53:58]

sphery:

Beirdo / wagnerrp : and, re: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/294447.html , channel 2024 to channel 2247 would be in the 12.19325GHz to 13.53125GHz range :)

[18:54:17]

sphery:

(In other words, I'm assuming he's talking about logical channel numbers.)

[18:54:27]

awalls:

j-rod: Yes the code is ugly.

[18:55:18]

awalls:

but the coding style does seem obsessively consistent,

[18:55:49]

wagnerrp:

which no non-cablecard DVR can have

[18:56:01]

wagnerrp:

since those channel mappings would not be available

[18:56:18]

wagnerrp:

unless microsoft has virtual channels AND physical mappings

[18:56:31]

wagnerrp:

instead of just the virtual numbering SD provides

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: HA! "OK, but I'm pretty sure this is still better than having no auth and no encryption..." Well, DUH! Why doesn't this guy get it?

[18:58:00]

awalls:

1st question for evaluating security: What are the assets you are trying to protect?

[18:58:15]

awalls:

2nd question: What are the threats to those assets.

[18:58:35]

awalls:

It sounds like the guy looses on those two questions alone.

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, I'm sure they are logical numbers. There's no way he meant thousands of channels :)

[18:59:51]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

heh, topic, optic, same difference

[19:18:51]

wagnerrp:

how far can you usually do DVI before you start to develop signal issues?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: according to http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html#Page04 – the spec is 16 feet. And they note that they carry cables up to 25' and have even used longer cables successfully in some cases.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: monoprice has a 50' cable... yikes.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: you could always get DVI -> Cat5 extenders – good for "up to 50 Meter" ...

[19:31:51]

wagnerrp:

nah, 16' is plenty

[19:32:27]

wagnerrp:

WTF is this guy on the mailing list doing with all this ancient server hardware?

[19:33:14]

wagnerrp:

i mean hes got a whole chassis full of P3–800+256MB blades

[19:33:53]

wagnerrp:

large ones of those might be what... 16 blades?

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wagnerrp:

you can get a /single/ i7 with more power AND more memory than that

[19:34:18]

wagnerrp:

and do it all for under a grand

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benomatic:

is channel scanning generally unreliable, or indicative that something isn't right? (pal+NL, pvr500 here again) i have multiple channels that don't show in scanning that are here (i found cable channel/freq listing for my provider)

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gbee:

I don't know that the analogue scanning gets used much these days, so it's possible there are unreported bugs, but usually scanning problems like that are caused by missing/incomplete frequency tables

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gbee:

I can't remember the last time anyone submitted a patch for freq tables

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benomatic:

i should note that i did the scan of 'all', not just what's normal in my locale. but the channels not found in scan show up fine when added via channel editor.

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awalls:

benomatic: Sometimes the analog tuner flag of a signal present in the register lags

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wagnerrp:

all my long cables are either VGA or HDMI

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wagnerrp:

the single cable i have that might be long enough is DVI-I, and its a DVI-D port

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awalls:

When I have ivtv-radio do a scan for FM stations I always get indications that the station was 0.1 MHz greater than the actual station

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awalls:

(as ivtv-radio scans in 0.1 MHz steps I think)

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janneg:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/hauppauge- . . . ows-media-c/

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wagnerrp:

only one per machine?

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j-rod:

oh, wait, lirc_nct667 actually does have a device structâ€¦ its just missing key things, like pnp_dev

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janneg:

of course

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j-rod:

the split between 6 different source files isn't helping me here.

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janneg:

j-rod: that seems to be excessive for a lirc transceiver. a file for each function? ;)

[20:01:47]

j-rod:

yeah, excessive is exactly what I was thinking

[20:02:12]

j-rod:

it does have both an input layer driver for IR keyboard/mouse handling and a lirc driver for the remote part

[20:02:16]

j-rod:

so that's part of the split

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, so up until today wmc had no real support for the HD-PVR, eh? Seems 'backwards' from what the rest of the world does... (usually windoze first...)

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j-rod:

#ifdef IR_667_DEBUG

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j-rod:

printk("%s receive probe\n", DRVNAME);

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j-rod:

#endif

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j-rod:

that's a gem

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awalls:

all those debug's could have been handled in a nice macro at least :(

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wagnerrp:

now j-rod... 3 or more lines, use a pastebin

[20:07:17]

wagnerrp:

:P

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awalls:

lol

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** awalls wonders how on Earth compromises of WoW client endpoints is Man-in-the-middle? **

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: mah bad.

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** j-rod queues up several hundred lines to pasteâ€¦ muahahaha **

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j-rod:

I'm debating if I should make this into a sane looking lirc driver *first*, then port to ir-core, or if I should just start porting.

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j-rod:

"Dealing with the 25840 under linux is akin to working on a 800 piece jigsaw with boxing glove", ha, stoth, I like it

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janneg:

j-rod: what about writing an ir-core driver from scratch?

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j-rod:

well, thats largely what it would be

[20:23:42]

j-rod:

massive hunks of this are going to be significantly rewritten

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stoth:

j-rod: It's frustrating knowing that I need to make a one line av change to the avcord from the PCIe bridge driver, and not having a decent uncomplicated API to make it happen.

[20:24:47]

stoth:

Hey, I should be a hand model!

[20:24:52]

stoth:

http://hauppauge.com/site/support/support.html

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j-rod:

heh, nice

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j-rod:

janneg: I think I'm just more comfortable modifying (even heavily) existing code than I am sitting down and writing from scratch

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j-rod:

although, so far, its been porting code I was already quite familiar with, and it didn't look like crap

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j-rod:

ok, I think I have this thing bandaged together enough that it might actually manage to load w/o oopsing now...

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skd5aner:

great – I now have a machine that won't boot, or even POST that worked fine 5 mins ago

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j-rod:

hey, yep, loads w/o oops now

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awalls:

stoth, sorry for the harrassment about the cx25840 module, but it is a mess and only getting messier.

[20:49:19]

android6011:

will any usb tuner that supports clearqam/ntsc work well with an atom d510? i cant seem to find one with a hardware decoder

[20:49:31]

awalls:

And I'm guessing we would have had cx23885 analog earlier, if it weren't for it

[20:49:50]

stoth:

awalls: Hey. It was either going to be between you and I or two other devs. We're on the same page overall I think. Likely I move away from 25840 and into dedicated driver code.

[20:50:30]

awalls:

stoth: good plan

[20:50:39]

stoth:

I just can't make that happen shortly and I'm tired of the 23885 bitrot, this was the third time I;ve rolled the driver.

[20:51:11]

awalls:

I'll ack the changes knowing there's a plan in place.

[20:51:18]

stoth:

Perfect, nope. A step forward, yes. More work required, sure.

[20:51:21]

awalls:

I want cx23885 ananlog too. :)

[20:51:23]

stoth:

ack would be appreciated.

[20:51:27]

stoth:

:)

[20:51:54]

wagnerrp:

android6011: why do you think you want a card with a hardware decoder?

[20:51:54]

awalls:

It'll have to wait until I leave work ( walk upstairs )

[20:52:04]

stoth:

Lots of room for other folks to help out filling in the basics for other cards also. HVR1700 should come up easily now. HVR1500, HVR1250 etc.

[20:52:20]

android6011:

wagnerrp: heh i meant encoding

[20:52:34]

wagnerrp:

android6011: HVR-1950

[20:53:08]

devinheitmueller:

Woah, is this deja vu?

[20:53:09]

devinheitmueller:

;-)

[20:53:18]

stoth:

awalls: noted. thx.

[20:53:55]

devinheitmueller:

stoth: I've got a 1250 here, assuming awalls didn't break it.

[20:54:15]

awalls:

stoth: note that cx25840 api pig-headedness did protect against concurrency mucking things up.

[20:54:16]

android6011:

wagnerrp: ok thanks. is that the only decent one with hardware encoder?

[20:54:17]

stoth:

then with some minor tweaks to -cards.c analog should fire up for you.

[20:54:26]

devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, do I need to get the DIF working for the 1250?

[20:54:31]

android6011:

i have an hvr-1800 but i am thinking about just selling it due to lack of analog support

[20:54:36]

devinheitmueller:

:-/

[20:54:44]

stoth:

hmm, multiple version of the 1250. The 887 units likely not.

[20:54:49]

awalls:

It was working when it left here (crummy USPS)

[20:54:50]

devinheitmueller:

stoth: ok.

[20:54:53]

wagnerrp:

android6011: the 1950 is the only USB digital tuner, with an mpeg encoder for analog

[20:55:01]

android6011:

wagnerrp: ok thank you

[20:55:07]

wagnerrp:

if you dont need digital, you can pick up a cheaper PVR-USB2

[20:55:09]

devinheitmueller:

android6011: the 1800 support is about to get much better. Patches were submitted recently which fix a number of issues.

[20:55:18]

wagnerrp:

if you dont need analog, you can pick up a cheaper HVR-950Q

[20:55:33]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: fix the analog issues in mythtv?

[20:55:40]

stoth:

awalls: yeah. 25840 has been useful for a number of drivers. I just keep finding myself frustrated that I can't do what needs done, quickly without jumping thorugh a bazillion hoops (Audio l/r switch as an example).

[20:55:40]

awalls:

I've got an HVR-"1250" that has an '888.

[20:55:50]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I am not sure the exact MythTV issue is fixed yet, but a number of other issues were.

[20:56:01]

stoth:

1250's were 887 and 887 IIRC.

[20:56:08]

devinheitmueller:

Stoth did all the heavy lifting. I probably now just have to kill a couple of hours and fix the outstanding issue.

[20:56:12]

android6011:

devinheitmueller: is there a tree with the patches?

[20:56:15]

stoth:

I also have a couple of HVR1250 885 protos that never went to market.

[20:56:22]

awalls:

I think technically this is a 1275, but the box said 1250

[20:56:26]

devinheitmueller:

android6011: check the linux-media mailing list.

[20:56:54]

devinheitmueller:

android6011: https://www.kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/cx23885-mpx/

[20:57:09]

** j-rod feels like one of the cool kids, also has a 1250 at home. ;) **

[20:57:19]

wagnerrp:

heh

[20:57:24]

stoth:

12nn is a lucky dip when it comes to cards. You get the FEATURES for windows, the silicon varies in the family.

[20:57:25]

** awalls wonders if vl4-dvb devs spamming the mythtv-users channel is kosher **

[20:57:25]

** wagnerrp me-toos **

[20:57:40]

android6011:

devinheitmueller: thanks. I didn't realize you were the same devin from kernellabs :)

[20:57:45]

j-rod:

and a 1500. and an 1800. and an hd-pvr. and pvr-150, 250, 350 and 500...

[20:57:59]

devinheitmueller:

android6011: Yeah, well my IRC handle tends to obscure my identity.

[20:58:07]

** j-rod snorts **

[20:58:08]

wagnerrp:

a 1500, isnt that an euro card?

[20:58:13]

android6011:

haha :p

[20:58:22]

j-rod:

might have the model wrong, but I think its 1500

[20:58:23]

stoth:

HVR2200/2250 analog will likely work in Mythtv, last I tried atleast (/me tries to bring the topic around)

[20:58:27]

j-rod:

its an expresscard

[20:58:42]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: Yes, the 1500 is an expresscard.

[20:58:57]

stoth:

awalls: HVR1850, in case I didn't mention it, works for analog in the mpx tree also.

[20:59:00]

wagnerrp:

stoth: oh? youve added analog support?

[20:59:07]

stoth:

wagnerrp: yeah

[20:59:09]

j-rod:

I thought I'd just love having the 1500. I haven't used it much at all.

[20:59:15]

wagnerrp:

i was actually about to ask of the status of that

[20:59:24]

j-rod:

I think I thought it would sit flush in the slot

[20:59:30]

wagnerrp:

im likely going to be building my parents a home mythtv system

[20:59:34]

stoth:

brb

[20:59:36]

android6011:

i wish there was a plain pci version of the 2200 my home server only has 1 old pci port

[20:59:38]

awalls:

OK. I still have an 1850 to return to you one day. I should be done with it by the time the LPC comes around.

[20:59:44]

wagnerrp:

and was wondering if that was an option, or if i should start looking for 150s on ebay

[21:00:29]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: be forewarned though, although all these cx238xx cards now have analog support, there could still be issues making them work with MythTV.

[21:00:48]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

[21:00:59]

** awalls *cough* v4l2 api compliance *cough* **

[21:01:16]

devinheitmueller:

heh

[21:01:18]

awalls:

:)

[21:01:26]

justinh:

everybody is at home now. woohoo :-)

[21:01:42]

gbee:

that reminds me, I was on the linuxtv wiki earlier today and there was something about analogue on the Hauppauge hybrid devices not working, which brought me back to the MythTV ticket – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5744

[21:02:00]

awalls:

justinh: how's the haze of sleep deprivation?

[21:02:02]

devinheitmueller:

If any Mythtv users who have a cx238xx card though want to try it out and provide some feedback as to whether it works, that would be one less thing I would have to do.

[21:02:39]

wagnerrp:

could always put out a request on the mailing list

[21:02:42]

justinh:

awalls: not really experienced it again yet. Pretty much recovered from being up all night mon/tues

[21:02:42]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: Well, it seems unlikely that there is a problem with *all* Hauppauge hybrid devices.

[21:02:48]

wagnerrp:

im sure there are plenty go have one

[21:02:53]

** devinheitmueller looks at the ticket... **

[21:03:20]

awalls:

justinh: BTW boy or girl?

[21:03:25]

justinh:

awalls: boy

[21:03:30]

awalls:

congrats!

[21:03:40]

justinh:

cheers :)

[21:03:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Congrats! ;-)

[21:03:54]

j-rod:

I think I just wet myself.

[21:03:56]

devinheitmueller:

congratulations.

[21:04:00]

j-rod:

lirc drivers are in linus' tree now

[21:04:01]

awalls:

hahahah

[21:04:07]

android6011:

devinheitmueller: i can test hvr 1800 with myth on the mpx branch you gave tomorrow. as far as feedback where would you like it sent/posted

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[21:04:10]

gbee:

justinh: congrats mate

[21:04:19]

jduggan:

justinh had a baby?

[21:04:19]

justinh:

I've got somebody else to wet myself for me ;-)

[21:04:22]

devinheitmueller:

android6011: just send me some email.

[21:04:26]

justinh:

jduggan: no, my wife did ;)

[21:04:33]

wagnerrp:

jduggan: yeah, its a mystery of modern science

[21:04:34]

devinheitmueller:

At this point, I doubt it works, but I would be interested in knowing for sure.

[21:04:34]

android6011:

devinheitmueller: will do

[21:04:35]

justinh:

gbee: cheers.. and all cheers too

[21:04:35]

awalls:

j-rod: justinh is learning how to change wet diapers

[21:04:40]

jduggan:

justinh: haha – congratulations

[21:04:49]

justinh:

learning? I've done 5 or 6 already now

[21:04:50]

gbee:

devinheitmueller: your opinion on the ticket would be valuable, if it's still an issue and is clearly an issue with MythTV then I'll reopen the ticket so that we can work on a fix

[21:04:54]

j-rod:

heh. yeah, been there, done that. actually, still doing that.

[21:04:59]

stoth:

android6011: last time I tested MythTV started correctly on the channel, TV was watchable, the channel change got massively sluggish until all video stopped.

[21:05:04]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: part of the problem is the original report doesn't say what tuner it is

[21:05:05]

stoth:

android6011: just fyi

[21:05:12]

justinh:

first one wasn't too bad. 2nd one was like a Mr Whippy machine when I lifted his legs up

[21:05:17]

wagnerrp:

meh... wet diapers are nothing

[21:05:24]

wagnerrp:

its when theyre more than just wet...

[21:05:28]

justinh:

exactly

[21:05:34]

android6011:

stoth ok ill watch for that when i try

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[21:05:47]

justinh:

they aren't really very smelly yet, but they're getting there

[21:06:01]

devinheitmueller:

OH, I know what this ticket is!

[21:06:08]

j-rod:

wet when its not pee and oozing out the sides is the WORST.

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[21:06:52]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, ticket 5744 has to do with tuners which do power management and shutdown everything when the v4l device is closed. As a result, in some cases state is lost if the application doesn't resend settings after opening the device.

[21:06:55]

j-rod:

I hate diapers. But I also hate being woken up in the middle of the night to change out blankets, sheets, clothes...

[21:07:49]

high-rez:

So... jpoet's checkin that added the tuning stuff to trunk appears to have broken dvb for me at least with quick tuning...

[21:08:31]

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[21:08:32]

awalls:

J-rod: kid vomit in the minivan on a road trip – the worst.

[21:08:33]

gbee:

devinheitmueller: would you classify it as a bug with MythTV then? It sounds simple to fix, though I'd probably bounce it back to Daniel or Janne as it's more their area than mine

[21:08:40]

justinh:

couldn't have managed the whole few days without my parents' help though. looking after the dog & doing bits of shopping for me

[21:08:50]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: that's a tricky question.

[21:08:54]

justinh:

there'll be no sign of my wife's dad til next week :-\

[21:08:59]

devinheitmueller:

I have serious doubts that the patch as provided would be the correct fix.

[21:09:00]

j-rod:

awalls: yeah, that's pretty bad too, seen that a few times as well

[21:09:07]

j-rod:

well, not in a minivan

[21:09:09]

justinh:

staying out of the way "til it all settles down". grrr

[21:09:38]

stoth:

ls -l

[21:09:39]

j-rod:

the worst was my son chucking in a friend's car

[21:09:41]

devinheitmueller:

It could be considered a driver bug, but it's also possible that MythTV isn't doing something that it should be, such as making the calls to set the standard on device open.

[21:09:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, congrats... slacker... what does that make the official count for dev babies born in the past year? we're 2 for the past 2 weeks.

[21:10:37]

** Captain_Murdoch missed a smiley in there, for the uninformed, the 'slacker' is just because my wife beat his by about 7–8 days. **

[21:11:11]

** j-rod definitely not looking to add to the tally **

[21:11:30]

** awalls has 4 – also done **

[21:11:38]

justinh:

heheheh. coulda done with it being sooner, but the way things ended up going (a bit tricky) we maybe could've gone a bit longer

[21:11:38]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: there is no way we know what tuner the original user had, right?

[21:11:49]

wagnerrp:

anyone else gotten a message from this 'jina huh'? i know xris has

[21:12:18]

gbee:

not for certain, but the issue is referenced in the HVR-4000 section of the linuxtv wiki

[21:12:20]

justinh:

Captain_Murdoch: went in to be induced on saturday, wasn't born til 4.01am Tuesday. That was a frickin long day

[21:12:38]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: Yeah, I've heard about some problems with the HVR-4000.

[21:12:39]

gbee:

come to think of it, jpabq has been working in that area recently

[21:12:45]

devinheitmueller:

(for example with DVB-T scanning)

[21:13:04]

** devinheitmueller looks at the wiki **

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[21:13:54]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: Ugh, that wiki page is a mess.

[21:15:24]

abqjp:

high-rez: feel free to create a ticket. Please include backend logs with "-v record,channel" and enough information so I can try to reproduce the problem.

[21:15:32]

plotino:

hi to all

[21:15:40]

devinheitmueller:

Ugh, and there is a third party source tree for the 4000? UGH!

[21:15:41]

plotino:

im new in mythtv

[21:15:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

justdave, sounds like our first. Saturday -> Monday in that case. finally they gave up and called for the C.

[21:16:15]

plotino:

i get the video but not the sound from analog TV

[21:16:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, ^^ /me kicks his tab completion

[21:16:20]

wagnerrp:

justdave: just had kids too? wow.. three now

[21:16:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, no, that was a tab completion snafu

[21:16:40]

wagnerrp:

i know

[21:16:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

:)

[21:16:47]

wagnerrp:

!seen justdave

[21:16:47]

MythLogBot:

justdave is here and has been idle for 2 days 2 hours 44 minutes 14 seconds

[21:17:01]

wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever actually seen him say anything

[21:17:17]

wagnerrp:

plotino: what tuner card?

[21:17:24]

plotino:

the tuner is based on SAA7131

[21:17:31]

plotino:

im using ubuntu 10.04

[21:17:43]

iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1535465

[21:17:45]

iamlindoro:

This guy is nuts

[21:17:48]

devinheitmueller:

plotino: which tuner card is it?

[21:17:52]

iamlindoro:

I remember him being a pain on the users list too

[21:17:58]

** iamlindoro just responded to the thread **

[21:18:17]

plotino:

devinheitmueller,

[21:18:24]

plotino:

the card is not so famous

[21:18:35]

plotino:

it's a i-tek hybrid (all in one)

[21:18:38]

devinheitmueller:

Are you saying it's an unbranded card?

[21:18:41]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, ok.

[21:18:57]

devinheitmueller:

Are you sure audio is working at all under MythTV?

[21:19:03]

wagnerrp:

'i cant program, but i can still make sweeping judgments about other projects'

[21:19:15]

devinheitmueller:

Because your problem could be with the tuner capturing audio, but it could also be with playback of audio.

[21:19:17]

plotino:

audio is working in ubuntu

[21:19:28]

devinheitmueller:

plotino: that doesn't mean it works under MythTV. :-)

[21:19:50]

plotino:

if i'm listening web radio with firefox and then open mythtv....the sound is stopped!

[21:20:06]

plotino:

but nothing audio comes from the TV

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plotino:

no it doesnt

[21:20:28]

plotino:

no audio from tv channel

[21:21:06]

devinheitmueller:

That's probably because MythTV killed pulseaudio.

[21:21:41]

plotino:

m

[21:22:03]

wagnerrp:

pulseaudio in 0.23 and previous causes significant audio sync issues

[21:22:09]

plotino:

right now im trying with xawtv

[21:22:21]

wagnerrp:

so as a work around, mythtv simply disables pulseaudio, and hits ALSA beneath it

[21:22:40]

wagnerrp:

(because pulseaudio doesnt actually access the hardware directly, it relies on external hardware drivers)

[21:22:55]

wagnerrp:

in trunk and future 0.24, this should be fixed

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[21:22:57]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: hey, that guy knows how to draw a UML chart!

[21:23:47]

wagnerrp:

our UPNP server is not UPNP compliant?

[21:24:06]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: did you see his design? http://wall-e.deliverator.homeip.net/~barberi . . . e%20Case.png

[21:24:16]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller, yeah, sigh

[21:24:30]

plotino:

xawtv makes the same

[21:24:38]

plotino:

video yes audio no

[21:24:49]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: i really like the stick figures

[21:25:10]

devinheitmueller:

It's not clear to me why "video source" would be a stick figure though. :-)

[21:25:20]

devinheitmueller:

Perhaps he means some guy dancing in front of a webcam?

[21:26:06]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller, Heh... anyway, tried to be as diplomatic as possible in my response

[21:26:19]

iamlindoro:

but not sure what he expects when ranting on a MythTV forum

[21:26:21]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I haven't reached that part of the thread yet. Give me a minute...

[21:27:51]

awalls:

Stick figure are used for actors outside of the system of interest

[21:28:04]

awalls:

So actors can be humans or other systems

[21:28:29]

awalls:

Don't make me break otu Rational Rose and GRady Booch on you

[21:29:37]

wagnerrp:

maybe its just me, but i dont think you can produce a viable UCD without a robust programming background

[21:30:02]

awalls:

UCD diagarms are multi-disciplinary things

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, youre just like the salesman who sells some new impossible feature to a customer, and /then/ goes and asks the engineers if they can actually do it

[21:30:28]

awalls:

You need a person who knows software and a person who knows the users

[21:31:17]

awalls:

A UCD done by a single engineer in the corner will usually be wrong

[21:31:26]

wagnerrp:

sure, the engineers are going to run off and make something spartan and utilitarian on their own

[21:32:02]

wagnerrp:

but someone who considers programmers to be 'unskilled code hackers' is going to come up with something equally broken

[21:32:12]

awalls:

Gotta go; electrical storm outside

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plotino:

so

[21:45:57]

plotino:

no help for me?

[21:46:48]

wagnerrp:

you are using a framegrabber with mythtv

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[21:47:07]

wagnerrp:

most people in here have long ago abandoned their framegrabbers for digital tuners and mpeg encoders

[21:48:01]

wagnerrp:

does your tuner card provide audio capture? or does it have a passthrough port to patch it into your sound card?

[21:48:08]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: our UPnP server is not compliant for sure

[21:48:26]

Beirdo:

I bet many clients aren't either

[21:48:40]

wagnerrp:

i figured it was 'to the letter' compliant

[21:48:46]

wagnerrp:

which is why so many things didnt work

[21:48:49]

wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

nah

[21:49:06]

Beirdo:

it's hacked together, reverse engineered kinda

[21:49:23]

Beirdo:

or something along those lines

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Beirdo:

but it's hopefully getting better

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Beirdo:

I broke it currently, I think

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Beirdo:

(not in trunk itself, in development)

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, i became completely disenchanted with UPNP about six months ago when writing support for it

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Beirdo:

but I had a brainwave just before going to bed last night on how to do the commskip stuff in a way the clients should like just as much as they like full recordings

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plotino:

ok

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plotino:

maybe i have to give it up

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plotino:

also xawtv doen shoe any sound

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wagnerrp:

plotino: framegrabbers /will/ work, but they are a hassle to deal with, and can take some effort to set up

[21:51:43]

wagnerrp:

which is why most people recommend mpeg encoders

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plotino:

what is framegrabbers?

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Beirdo:

so first, I'll see if my changes are what borked it, or if it's just generally borked

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wagnerrp:

a capture card that provides raw video frames to the system

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wagnerrp:

they are designed for passthrough, rather than capture

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plotino:

ah

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plotino:

it's different hardware

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wagnerrp:

the computer takes the raw frames, passes them into your video card for display, and its down

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wagnerrp:

done

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Beirdo:

if it's generally borked, I'll carry on with my changes, then fix the general borkedness after

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plotino:

so i can sue my SAA7132 chipset based on card only in windows?

[21:53:28]

wagnerrp:

where as with mythtv, it has to store those raw frames, encode them on the fly, separately capture audio and multiplex it in

[21:53:35]

Beirdo:

plotino: you should be able to use it in Linux, but it's a bit more work to get working

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wagnerrp:

its a very involved process

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plotino:

that's i would like to know ...how to

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wagnerrp:

and depending on how the audio is handled by the tuner, it can be a complete pain in the butt

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plotino:

oh

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plotino:

wagnerrp,

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wagnerrp:

so... does your tuner card provide audio capture? or does it require you pass it through your sound card?

[21:54:37]

plotino:

but you are talking about mythtv or other software?

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plotino:

my card is able to capture audio

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wagnerrp:

from the point of view of any software that attempts to do more with a framegrabber than simply push the video directly to the screen

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plotino:

but im interesting only in the analog TV signal

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iamlindoro:

Man, this guy is a serious douche

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wagnerrp:

face it, hes right and no amount of logic, reason, or evidence will prove otherwise

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iamlindoro:

heh

[22:22:11]

** tgm4883 waits for him to completely replace mythtv with a bash script **

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: that already happened, except it was perl

[22:22:52]

wagnerrp:

although someone else replaced mythfrontend with xbmc and a bash script

[22:23:02]

tgm4883:

bleh

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sphery:

and finally freed us all from the chains that were MythVideo

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tgm4883:

That doesn't sound like fun

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iamlindoro:

I have sincerely tried to address this guy's points and provide a diplomatic response

[22:23:38]

iamlindoro:

but he makes it awfully hard

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sphery:

which guy? the Output to h.264 guy?

[22:24:03]

iamlindoro:

No

[22:24:04]

iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1535465

[22:24:08]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Many many new posts

[22:24:10]

iamlindoro:

including my own

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sphery:

oh

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tgm4883:

Admittedly, I have been watching the xbmc-pvr project because I think competition is good, but even they haven't produced anything yet for mythtv

[22:24:31]

tgm4883:

and IIRC they have a bunch of devs

[22:24:36]

sphery:

haven't been to that thread for quite some time

[22:25:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery, It's bound to frustrate

[22:25:31]

tgm4883:

nah, it's comical

[22:25:57]

iamlindoro:

tgm4883, would love to be able to laugh at it... but I fail :)

[22:26:06]

tgm4883:

just read his posts in a crazy drunk Nick Nolte voice

[22:26:35]

sphery:

well, I already wasted too long today reading the backlash from the open-MythWeb-on-the-Internet-resulted-in-a-guy-losing-all-850-recordings issue, so why not waste a bit more time :)

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sphery:

funny, though, how the thread calls the bug fix a bug

[22:27:18]

sphery:

and seems to pretend that without the bug fix, MythTV would have been perfect

[22:27:26]

tgm4883:

850 recordings? Was he using mythbuntu?

[22:27:27]

sphery:

(regardless of all the complaints about the issue that was fixed)

[22:27:46]

sphery:

tgm4883: no, Fedora-based... (MythDora, maybe... one of them)

[22:27:50]

tgm4883:

ah ok

[22:28:07]

sphery:

He lost his apache authentication configuration, so it was hanging open

[22:28:10]

tgm4883:

I know we had a packaging bug a while back that wiped the password for mythweb, but I fixed that awhile ago

[22:28:20]

sphery:

some miscreant found it and decided to teach him a lesson

[22:28:49]

sphery:

yeah, someone else on the thread mentioned that issue in Mythbuntu (but he seemed to imply it was an every-time thing

[22:29:05]

tgm4883:

hmm, i'll check it again

[22:29:14]

tgm4883:

cause it was every time you upgraded the package

[22:29:29]

tgm4883:

but I fixed it. I'll have to verify again

[22:29:35]

sphery:

here's the Mythbuntu-related post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/445429#445429

[22:29:59]

sphery:

he may just be extrapolating to eternity with a single data point, though

[22:30:04]

sphery:

that's not too uncommon with users :)

[22:30:12]

tgm4883:

yea I think he is

[22:30:21]

tgm4883:

probably just updates then readds authenticaion

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tgm4883:

without checking

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tgm4883:

I'll verify when I get home though

[22:33:13]

sphery:

iamlindoro: the best are the "I used MythTV once and it broke, so now I use GBPVR, and it sounds like MythTV is terrible, now."

[22:33:36]

j-rod:

sphery: david kramer? I was pretty sure that was mythbuntu

[22:34:04]

sphery:

j-rod: you're right...

[22:34:07]

sphery:

I stand corrected...

[22:34:09]

j-rod:

Fedora packages have never wiped out your apache auth, anyway

[22:34:28]

sphery:

tgm4883: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/445349#445349 he mentions 0.22.0+fixes23893–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 , so it may be he hit that broken version?

[22:34:29]

j-rod:

been running them for 7+ years :)

[22:34:53]

tgm4883:

sphery, oh yea, thats old. I'm 90% sure it was broke there

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sphery:

heh, I think I got confused because I associated him with you (through the LUG posts) and everyone knows you're a Fedora/Red Hat guy :)

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AndyCap:

gbpvr?!? oh my

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** j-rod heads out the door **

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tgm4883:

sphery, j-rod is a Fedora/Red Hat guy? or me?

[22:35:45]

j-rod:

me

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sphery:

j-rod is

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tgm4883:

ah ok

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tgm4883:

cause I'm not :)

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** tgm4883 was confused for a minute **

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sphery:

yeah, sorry--I'd never insult you so ;)

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AndyCap:

and j-rod wrote an excellent howto for myth on fedora. :)

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tgm4883:

lol

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j-rod:

and works for Red Hat

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** j-rod heads for home for real now :) **

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** sphery loves being able to be truly equal-opportunity at insulting distros **

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Beirdo:

sphery: fun isn't it?

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

all your distros suck. :)

[22:37:00]

Beirdo:

there.

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sphery:

lol

[22:37:14]

Beirdo:

now everyone's equally offended, and we can move on

[22:37:16]

Beirdo:

heh

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tgm4883:

LFS then?

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AndyCap:

tgm4883: like a black hole.

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Beirdo:

LFD

[22:37:42]

Beirdo:

Linux for Dummies

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tgm4883:

LBD?

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tgm4883:

wait, thats something else

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sphery:

heh, LFS is only the second-worst possible choice of distro...

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Beirdo:

all the others are the worst?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

LFS teaches you 2 things: a) how to copy/paste, and b) how to blame yourself when things go wrong

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AndyCap:

sphery: and here I thought gentoo had it cornered

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iamlindoro:

Where 2) can be optionally replaced by blaming linux, your internet provider, or MythTV

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sphery:

there exists one other distro that "teaches you how to build your own secure GNU/Linux system by randomly flipping configuration switches you don't understand" and b) teaches you to blame everyone else when you do things wrong

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sphery:

those are the 2 worst distros to use (for MythTV, at least0

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Beirdo:

Slackware?

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sphery:

heh, thing earlier configuration switches

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Beirdo:

oooh

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sphery:

like ./configure switches... but as flags

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Beirdo:

the one where they abuse the name of a perfectly good penguin?

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AndyCap:

ah, yes. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072

[22:40:35]

sphery:

though I'll admit that in the hands of a knowledgeable person who has time to spare and chooses not to blame everyone else for his own mistakes, that "worst" distro of all isn't that bad

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Beirdo:

aye

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** Beirdo waits for Linux Bob **

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Beirdo:

oh wait, we have it...it's called Ubuntu

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sphery:

but "faster and optimized for your particular architecture" is very, er, 1983...

[22:41:39]

sphery:

AndyCap: heh, exactly

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Beirdo:

comment #2 ... hehe

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

and USE="GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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sphery:

OK, so new feature for Firefox...

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sphery:

An ability to mark a tab as "hey, don't let me close this"

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Beirdo:

it sets fire to foxes?

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sphery:

I keep doing new tabs in windows where I'm doing something important, then when I'm done with the temporary stuff, I close the window... Then I look all over for the window with the important tabs.

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

and it's not that I need it to always ask... just a way to mark some tabs as "still in use"

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AndyCap:

just have a "read flag" ?

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sphery:

maybe that will be in the new Firefox 4 "Tab Candy"

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AndyCap:

or is it more like an app that you skip to and from

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sphery:

yeah, basically, a read flag

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sphery:

though I don't care what color it is... ;)

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sphery:

Of course, I'm just an idea man, so I have no code to do it

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Beirdo:

feature request without a patch... denied!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

and it is...

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AndyCap:

oh, look http://tmp.garyr.net/help/#Protected__Locked_and_Frozen_Tabs

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AndyCap:

heh, what doesn't tab mix plus do

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sphery:

AndyCap: woah... it exists!

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devinheitmueller:

hey, has anybody tried cross-compiling mythfrontend for any embedded targets lately?

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devinheitmueller:

(embedded Linux targets)

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stoth:

me, 6 months ago, good luck with that.

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devinheitmueller:

stoth: you were the one person who I wasn't really hoping to hear from. ;-)

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stoth:

food. later.

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devinheitmueller:

ttyl

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mzb:

I know one error msg might not mean much but I'm getting this:

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mzb:

MythSocket(7fd0cc007b30:20): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

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mzb:

(on the backend)

[23:49:14]

mzb:

when I try to connect either/both of my slave backends

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mzb:

(one doesn't have any tuners)

[23:49:28]

mzb:

end result is that the master BE locks

[23:49:35]

mzb:

BE still apppears active, but refuses connections (and recordings fail, I think)

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wagnerrp:

is your backend working at all?

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mzb:

on the slave it looks like: MythSocket(92f81a0:32): readStringList: Connection died (select)

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wagnerrp:

the only time i ever see the readstringlist stuff is when i screw something up, and get the backend connecting to itself as a slave

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mzb:

as long as the slave aren't running it works ok

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mzb:

wagnerrp: this MBE has been running forever

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iamlindoro:

mzb, Are all the storage group folders mounted on the slave?

[23:51:06]

mzb:

no

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iamlindoro:

They need to be

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mzb:

hehe ... a meaningful error, then?

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iamlindoro:

There is a pending patch to improve logging in this case, but the long and the short of it is, any slave backend expects to have access to all the SG dirs

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mzb:

ok, nice1

[23:52:23]

mzb:

thanks for that, I'll mount the dirs and see how it goes

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wagnerrp:

is this new behavior in trunk? i dont have that problem in my 0.23 slaves

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iamlindoro:

nope, age-old

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wagnerrp:

ive got my Default sgs mounted, but theres half a dozen more for mythvideo that only exist on my MBE

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iamlindoro:

Video ones likely aren't necessary

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