| Wednesday, August 4th, 2010, 00:12 UTC | ||
| [00:12:30] | skd5aner: | kormoc: how the heck does an average user subscribe to the cc field? I have never been able to do that |
| [00:13:34] | skd5aner: | The only way for most folks to subscribe to a ticket is by leaving a comment, since most don't have a trag login |
| [00:13:36] | skd5aner: | trac |
| [00:14:32] | skd5aner: | which, I think is what iamlindoro was referring to – people pinging a ticket simply to subscribe to it. Perhaps he meant something else, but... |
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| [00:16:38] | skd5aner: | which is what I was referring to by "some other way" – currently, unless you open the ticket, leave a comment, or have a login in order to add you name to the cc: field, you can't "subscribe" to get alerted via email |
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| [00:50:31] | seagullarity: | I've been trying for weeks to get mythchanger to work with my hd pvr....it worked once upon a time, and now it says: GetEntryAt(-1) failed. .... EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo....I've read everything on forums and the web I could possibly find....anyone know the magic solution? |
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| [00:52:43] | iamlindoro: | The magic solution is to stop reading frontend logs and read the backend log where the real error is ;) |
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| [00:54:23] | seagullarity: | well...fine, so that says: |
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| [00:54:30] | iamlindoro: | pastebin |
| [00:54:42] | seagullarity: | okay |
| [00:56:03] | seagullarity: | http://pastebin.com/eTq7MSpP |
| [00:56:35] | iamlindoro: | someone or thing has manually mucked with your DB |
| [00:56:41] | iamlindoro: | and destroyed your capture card definition |
| [00:56:49] | iamlindoro: | see lines 14 and 15 |
| [00:57:15] | seagullarity: | well... |
| [00:57:15] | iamlindoro: | Can delete and recreate the capture card in mythtv-setup to fix |
| [00:57:35] | seagullarity: | I don't think thats the problem, because if I merely change the channel change script to /bin/true it works just fine |
| [00:57:54] | iamlindoro: | also, your channel change script is exiting with an error |
| [00:58:16] | iamlindoro: | so you'll need to speak to the author of your channel changer or use another |
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| [00:58:35] | seagullarity: | are there any you recommend aside from mythchanger? I'm running a SA4250HD |
| [00:59:06] | iamlindoro: | could compile this one: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sa4250_ch_guid |
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| [00:59:41] | seagullarity: | sweet! |
| [00:59:45] | filmprog: | hello, I'm using mythbuntu and I'm trying to watch TV for the first time. I've tried to setup everything as much as I can figure out and I'm not sure why it's not working. I've gone to DataDirect and got setup with an account and setup my backend |
| [01:00:03] | seagullarity: | that's great, thank you very much, swear I never stumbled across this and I did a hundred google searches |
| [01:00:31] | filmprog: | I've got guide data too ... but when I try to run Watch Tv, it says Please wait and it just comes right back to the main screen... is there a log file I can check for errors? |
| [01:03:54] | filmprog: | found => http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Diagnosing_Problems |
| [01:05:12] | seagullarity: | iamlindoro suggests that the backend log is more important than the frontend log: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
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| [01:11:50] | wagnerrp: | yes, livetv problems are almost always recording problems |
| [01:11:57] | wagnerrp: | and all recording is done by the backend |
| [01:12:23] | wagnerrp: | chances are youve missed one of the steps in mythtv-setup |
| [01:13:02] | filmprog: | So not much to go on... is there a way to change the log level to be higher? => http://bit.ly/cmjlzV |
| [01:13:41] | wagnerrp: | i think you got the link wrong there |
| [01:13:46] | filmprog: | yea |
| [01:13:56] | filmprog: | sorry I'm tryig to go between two computers here... |
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| [01:15:43] | filmprog: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/8tU5jkn3 |
| [01:15:55] | filmprog: | how about that, better... |
| [01:16:33] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [01:16:36] | filmprog: | OMG |
| [01:16:37] | iamlindoro: | Empty |
| [01:16:40] | filmprog: | yea |
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| [01:16:50] | iamlindoro: | though now we know you're called Tyler Bird |
| [01:16:58] | iamlindoro: | so that's something |
| [01:17:28] | filmprog: | yea |
| [01:17:31] | filmprog: | one step at a time |
| [01:17:47] | filmprog: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/4vTWPrw4 |
| [01:18:04] | filmprog: | there we go |
| [01:18:25] | iamlindoro: | That is just a teensy exceprt |
| [01:18:28] | filmprog: | like I said though... it just documents the failure... not much more to go on... |
| [01:18:29] | iamlindoro: | excerpt |
| [01:18:34] | iamlindoro: | we need way, way more context |
| [01:18:37] | filmprog: | ohk |
| [01:18:38] | iamlindoro: | like, from the start of the backend |
| [01:18:43] | filmprog: | ohk can do |
| [01:18:54] | iamlindoro: | And need to know what kind of capture care you have |
| [01:19:02] | iamlindoro: | card |
| [01:21:33] | filmprog: | card => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116010 |
| [01:21:49] | iamlindoro: | So there's problem one, you set it up as the wrong card type |
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| [01:22:04] | iamlindoro: | since it's an MPEG-2 encoder, not a v4l framegrabber |
| [01:22:26] | filmprog: | wow, I'm such a newb |
| [01:22:30] | filmprog: | ohk |
| [01:22:30] | iamlindoro: | So minimally you will need to change the card type |
| [01:22:39] | iamlindoro: | but there are very possibly other misconfigurations |
| [01:22:48] | iamlindoro: | which is what would be shown with the whole backend log |
| [01:22:57] | filmprog: | ohk let me get that file... one sec. |
| [01:23:17] | filmprog: | do you know a command to copy the entire file to the clipboard? |
| [01:23:29] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [01:23:32] | filmprog: | pbcopy is the os x command... |
| [01:24:31] | filmprog: | maybe this would work => http://jetpackweb.com/blog/2009/09/23/pbcopy- . . . e-clipboard/ |
| [01:25:12] | iamlindoro: | Now is not the time to get diverted, copy-pasting isn't that hard ;) |
| [01:25:31] | filmprog: | yea but the file is huge and goes off the screen, etc. |
| [01:25:45] | filmprog: | you can just use this command to cat out the file to the clipboard |
| [01:25:56] | filmprog: | it's awesome it will just take me two seconds to setup |
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| [01:26:12] | ** iamlindoro goes to do other things ** | |
| [01:28:42] | filmprog: | hehe |
| [01:28:45] | filmprog: | i'm done |
| [01:29:09] | filmprog: | frontend log => http://mythtv.pastebin.com/kwHauyYU |
| [01:29:31] | filmprog: | backend log => http://mythtv.pastebin.com/cYMFRcL1 |
| [01:30:09] | filmprog: | iamlindoro: if you're still willing to look, I'd appreciate your help. |
| [01:32:27] | filmprog: | since I setup that command line clipboard trick I was able to do "cat /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log | pbcopy" and it takes the whole think and puts it into the clipboard and I can just paste it into pastebin... easy ;) |
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| [01:41:06] | filmprog: | iamlindoro: hey! TV is working now! |
| [01:41:37] | filmprog: | now I just need to get this remote to work... hehe |
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| [02:22:33] | simcop2387-lap: | man i am loving this, i just got my hd-home run going correctly finally (got all the channel data grabbed). I've got a single physical channel off the comcast cable here that has all the regular networks so now i can record up to 5 at once, its eliminated all the conflicts in my schedule :) and i still have to get my systems upgraded to be able to play back HD properly or i'd hook up the antenna to the other input |
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| [02:24:00] | wagnerrp: | but... its all the regular networks in standard definition |
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| [02:25:33] | [R]: | you can do multirec with an hdhomerun? |
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| [02:25:47] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: just caught the end of an episode of L&O:SVU before a regularly scheduled recording |
| [02:25:58] | wagnerrp: | someone jumped off a building, and crushed a car |
| [02:26:09] | wagnerrp: | [R]: sure, have since before 0.22 |
| [02:27:12] | [R]: | wasn't sure how the hdhomerun worked |
| [02:27:23] | [R]: | it provides the full stream? |
| [02:27:33] | wagnerrp: | filtered stream, yes |
| [02:28:21] | [R]: | filtered how |
| [02:28:30] | wagnerrp: | by program id |
| [02:28:40] | [R]: | so then how do you do multirec? |
| [02:28:55] | wagnerrp: | by allowing multiple program ids |
| [02:29:06] | wagnerrp: | and splitting the stream after you receive it |
| [02:29:10] | [R]: | ah |
| [02:29:28] | [R]: | so it can pass multiple ids |
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| [02:34:14] | simcop2387-lap: | wagnerrp: well i can't play them in HD as it is :) |
| [02:34:25] | simcop2387-lap: | need new graphics cards |
| [02:35:01] | simcop2387-lap: | [R]: up to 5 streams at least per tuner |
| [02:35:09] | [R]: | ah |
| [02:35:13] | wagnerrp: | max 5 streams per tuner |
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| [02:35:32] | [R]: | i only ever use 1 thing at a time |
| [02:35:41] | [R]: | local channels == the suckage |
| [02:35:57] | k-man: | how is the stability of trunk at the moment? i lodged a bug some time ago and the maintainer asked me to test if it still happens in trunk |
| [02:36:12] | k-man: | i'm currently on .23-fixes branch |
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| [02:37:19] | simcop2387-lap: | [R]: i've got a couple that syndicate shows i watch they're the ones that are getting used now :) |
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| [03:15:15] | jpz: | hi. i've been struggling for a few weeks getting firewire to work. followed the directions in the wiki, searched forums, mailinglists and still don't know what i'm doing wrong. plugreport shows a firewire box, plugctl works, but testing the connection always fails. how do I diagnose this? |
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| [03:19:23] | jpz: | setup: mythtv from daily build, mythbuntu 10.04, motorola dct-6208 cable box. configuring box within mythtv-setup is successful, and changing channels works. i just always get a partial lock with a black screen. |
| [03:19:46] | [R]: | are you sure you're trying to record a channel thats not encrypted? |
| [03:20:14] | jpz: | yes, i'm selecting channels that are all over-the-air |
| [03:20:22] | [R]: | hwo does that answer the question? |
| [03:21:06] | jpz: | over-the-air broadcast channels aren't supposed to be encrypted. i guess I need to tell if the channel is encrypted or not for sure. got a pointer on how to tell? |
| [03:21:19] | [R]: | depeneds on your box |
| [03:21:23] | [R]: | so you'll have to googly it |
| [03:21:36] | iamlindoro: | jpz, just because it's an over the air channel doesn't mean it won't be 5C'd |
| [03:21:49] | iamlindoro: | Most cable providers don't provide anything via firewire besides channel changing |
| [03:22:04] | jpz: | k. btw, third box i've tried, all are failing with the same symptoms. |
| [03:22:05] | iamlindoro: | the FCC requirements only compel them to provide a "functional" firewire port-- they do not specify that they have to provide video |
| [03:22:06] | wagnerrp: | the FCC regs limiting encryption only cover the broadcast (QAM) |
| [03:22:27] | [R]: | no channels for you! |
| [03:22:40] | iamlindoro: | if you cannot get the connection to stabilize, it means you won't be getting anything from the box |
| [03:23:31] | jpz: | i even complained to comcast and first they said i had to specifically ask for a firewire-enabled box. then they said any would work. then they said i needed special drivers, assuming I was using windows. i feel like i am hitting my head against a brick wall. |
| [03:24:08] | [R]: | i once called cox about firewire and she was like "oh firewall? let me transfer you" |
| [03:24:15] | iamlindoro: | generally speaking, no CSR at any cable company will have any idea what you are talking about, or how to use, firewire |
| [03:24:44] | iamlindoro: | Further, the vast, vast majority of all headends will have firewire completely locked down and will only meet the barest definition of the regulation |
| [03:25:08] | iamlindoro: | put more succinctly, the odds of you getting video from firewire in 2010 are very, very slim |
| [03:26:50] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Iamlindoro, at least channel changing works on many boxes. |
| [03:27:03] | jpz: | that's a real bummer. i was hoping to finally record in hd. i suppose i could get a component-video capture card, or an hdmi capture card. but the latter would probably honor the record flags. |
| [03:27:14] | [R]: | jpz: the only way is the hdpvr |
| [03:27:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I love my HDPVR |
| [03:27:23] | wagnerrp: | HDMI capture wont work |
| [03:27:32] | wagnerrp: | wont find anything to output over it unencrypted |
| [03:27:46] | wagnerrp: | and there are no supported component capture *cards* |
| [03:27:48] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | HDFury2 into an HDPVR |
| [03:27:57] | wagnerrp: | is not HDMI |
| [03:27:58] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But why add the extra step |
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| [03:32:28] | jpz: | hauppage hdpvr? wow, interesting. |
| [03:32:46] | wagnerrp: | interesting, expensive, and currently the only option for many people |
| [03:33:52] | [R]: | and currently pretty crappy in performance when it dies |
| [03:34:15] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | What alternative can we hope for? |
| [03:34:17] | jpz: | yeah, no kidding on expensive. but hobbies usually are. :-) |
| [03:34:35] | [R]: | a network hdpvr! |
| [03:34:44] | [R]: | or a pci card! |
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| [03:35:42] | jpz: | black magic has an hdmi capture card. |
| [03:35:51] | [R]: | not one that works in linux |
| [03:35:52] | wagnerrp: | wont do any good |
| [03:35:55] | [R]: | or captures proteted content |
| [03:35:58] | wagnerrp: | it works in linux just fine |
| [03:36:02] | [R]: | oh does it? |
| [03:36:04] | wagnerrp: | but it only works with their custom API |
| [03:36:10] | wagnerrp: | and yes, no HDCP support |
| [03:36:21] | wagnerrp: | so still useless for our purposes |
| [03:36:28] | [R]: | whats the point when everyone else in the world uses the common api? |
| [03:36:54] | wagnerrp: | they didnt like the V4L interface? |
| [03:37:10] | wagnerrp: | maybe there are certain aspects of it that make it inadequate for video editing |
| [03:37:20] | wagnerrp: | or HD video |
| [03:37:23] | [R]: | or maybe they are just trying to be difficult |
| [03:38:00] | wagnerrp: | perhaps |
| [03:38:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont know enough about either to make any claims |
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| [03:44:00] | jpz: | wow, walmart sells hdpvr for $176.99 + 0.97 shipping. cheaper than anything else i've seen so far. |
| [03:44:10] | [R]: | it was just on sale for liike 170 |
| [03:44:15] | [R]: | i got mine for 175 |
| [03:47:40] | jpz: | amazon.com price is 8 cents more. :-) |
| [03:48:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | 8 cents is 8 cents |
| [03:49:00] | jpz: | yeah, but i'm not a big fan of walmart either. |
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| [03:55:51] | jpz: | wow, just goofing around and the broadcast test of firewire-tester just worked! wonder what happened. or how long it will last |
| [03:57:02] | [R]: | THATS WHAT SHE SAID |
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| [03:57:04] | [R]: | oh sanp |
| [03:58:03] | simcop2387-lap: | jpz: you might be able to cut the shipping out |
| [03:58:12] | simcop2387-lap: | walmart will deliver some things to stores for you to pick up |
| [03:58:21] | simcop2387-lap: | but i doubt you can do that for <1 dollar of gas... |
| [03:59:29] | jpz: | wow, and now it works in mythtv. i can watch live tv. but no sound; ha! |
| [04:01:27] | jpz: | sound works. gotta plug in the speakers. :-) |
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| [04:04:15] | mnjay: | Does anyone know what I can do about this error? |
| [04:04:16] | mnjay: | VideoOutputXv Error: XvMC output requested, but is not supported by display. |
| [04:04:31] | wagnerrp: | dont use XvMC? |
| [04:04:35] | iamlindoro: | Don't try to use XvMC |
| [04:04:39] | iamlindoro: | since your hardware doesn't support it |
| [04:04:41] | ** wagnerrp wins! ** | |
| [04:05:17] | mnjay: | It does support it because its an intel 865G |
| [04:05:35] | iamlindoro: | Your drivers disagree |
| [04:06:46] | mnjay: | I see this in Xorg.0.log: Intel XvMC decoder enabled |
| [04:07:11] | iamlindoro: | Are you trying to feed it a supported codec? |
| [04:07:24] | mnjay: | I'm trying to use it for Live TV |
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| [04:07:42] | mnjay: | My pentium 4 can't keep up with HD video without it |
| [04:07:52] | mnjay: | I did have it working once before, but I reloaded the system |
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| [05:12:10] | wagnerrp: | seems this douglas peale doesnt understand the more basic workings of trac |
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| [05:29:20] | Beirdo: | OK that was a good game |
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| [05:43:35] | sphery: | Beirdo enjoyed your night out? |
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| [05:50:59] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [05:51:11] | Beirdo: | and the Mariners actually won too, which was a bonus |
| [05:51:30] | sphery: | cool |
| [05:53:18] | Beirdo: | now to watch some TV and look at trying to do some dev... |
| [05:53:29] | Beirdo: | dev work that is... not a developer. |
| [05:53:44] | Beirdo: | unless she's cute, and available... oh never mind |
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| [05:56:29] | Beirdo: | holy CRAP |
| [05:56:39] | Beirdo: | [25555] |
| [05:56:45] | Beirdo: | that's a mondo commit. |
| [05:59:43] | Beirdo: | I hope it won't cause me TOO many merge errors :) |
| [05:59:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:00:47] | Beirdo: | 89 files, -1435/+1427 |
| [06:00:58] | Beirdo: | markk's one busy and dedicated dude :) |
| [06:04:38] | Beirdo: | here goes |
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| [06:09:00] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
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| [06:09:08] | wagnerrp: | my modem just changed IPs |
| [06:09:26] | Beirdo: | !trout wagnerrp's_modem |
| [06:09:26] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp's_modem with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [06:09:46] | wagnerrp: | was down for 20 minutes pulling nothing |
| [06:09:51] | wagnerrp: | it finally pulled an IP |
| [06:10:04] | wagnerrp: | and decided to take a different one than it has used for the past five years |
| [06:10:34] | wagnerrp: | my IPs have all changed too |
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| [06:15:00] | Beirdo: | wow, that was easier than expected |
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| [06:15:35] | Beirdo: | bought a hat... :) |
| [06:19:32] | Beirdo: | baseball games are a good time... anyways... |
| [06:22:43] | Beirdo: | OK, recompiling with all the recent changes |
| [06:24:47] | sphery: | Beirdo: fwiw, re: #6256: Remove 64-bit helper functions , I think the programinfo refactor ( #8406 ) handled the programinfo portion of the changes... still left helper functions in place and other parts need changing. |
| [06:25:02] | sphery: | seems there's a ton of other stuff, too, though |
| [06:25:07] | Beirdo: | yeah, not surprising |
| [06:25:18] | sphery: | (i.e. the patch on ticket has very little programinfo stuff and tons of other) |
| [06:25:32] | Beirdo: | nothing git grep can't find :) |
| [06:25:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:25:45] | sphery: | why don't you git grep'ing, then |
| [06:25:46] | sphery: | :) |
| [06:25:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:26:03] | sphery: | says the guy who didn't get any myth done today |
| [06:26:30] | Beirdo: | I'm busily recompiling after markk's patch-o-rama |
| [06:26:42] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [06:26:57] | sphery: | I should probably svn up and refresh my ccache |
| [06:27:02] | Beirdo: | only got one merge conflict, and that was with the vaapi stuff |
| [06:27:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, I didn't flush ccache |
| [06:27:50] | Beirdo: | did a distclean though |
| [06:28:38] | sphery: | yeah, I seldom clear the ccache |
| [06:28:54] | sphery: | usually it just picks up changes and the old ones clear out eventually |
| [06:29:10] | sphery: | but I always do a distclean--just because of how I'm updating and stuff |
| [06:29:30] | sphery: | and now that you mention it, this one is probably big enough to just do a ccache -C |
| [06:29:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, I always do a distclean for a major pull |
| [06:30:00] | Beirdo: | and I usually just rm -rf ~/.ccache :) |
| [06:30:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:30:10] | Beirdo: | likely the same difference |
| [06:30:13] | sphery: | heh, that works, too |
| [06:30:32] | sphery: | yeah, I think the only difference is that ccache -C leaves the ~/.ccache dir itself |
| [06:31:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:31:26] | Beirdo: | close enough for me |
| [06:31:52] | sphery: | yeah, especially when next use of ccache will actually recreate the ~/.ccache dir |
| [06:32:07] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [06:32:22] | Beirdo: | Blue Jays whomped the Yankees 8–2 |
| [06:32:41] | Beirdo: | Houston POUNDED St. Louis... 18–4 I think it was |
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| [06:33:14] | Beirdo: | BTW, I put another Reds pitcher on my team |
| [06:33:33] | sphery: | need to rebuild my ctags, too |
| [06:34:57] | Beirdo: | I don't bother with em |
| [06:35:33] | sphery: | which editor do you use? |
| [06:35:44] | Beirdo: | vim |
| [06:35:49] | sphery: | and without ctags? |
| [06:35:54] | sphery: | how barbaric |
| [06:36:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I've never much used em |
| [06:36:26] | sphery: | I use Ctrl-] and Ctrl-T all the time |
| [06:36:49] | Beirdo: | they are useful, of course, but I trained myself with vim without em, so... |
| [06:36:59] | sphery: | yeah, I started without them |
| [06:37:24] | sphery: | but I don't know where everything is in MythTV code, so I was spending too much time grep'ing |
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| [06:37:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:37:35] | sphery: | then started to use them instead |
| [06:37:39] | Beirdo: | yeah... git grep FTW :) |
| [06:37:57] | Beirdo: | but yeah, ctags are a good plan |
| [06:38:58] | sphery: | I have a slightly modified version of wcgrep (contrib script in svn distro)--of course renamed to a useful svngrep since working copy is meaningless |
| [06:39:31] | sphery: | and I use an environment variable to specify a project, which specifies the specific regex to exclude |
| [06:39:42] | sphery: | works well enough for now |
| [06:39:49] | sphery: | but I look forward to learning git |
| [06:40:18] | sphery: | OK, so ccache -C keeps all the dirs under ~/.ccache |
| [06:40:23] | sphery: | (the "buckets") |
| [06:40:32] | sphery: | just empties them |
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| [06:40:41] | clever: | and probly the small config file saying what the max cache size is |
| [06:41:22] | benomatic: | odd for a single machine setup (now, with no movies): "Error: MythTV database has newer Video schema (1033) than expected (1032)." this started when i did a mythbuntu update. suggestions? |
| [06:41:24] | sphery: | yeah and stats files |
| [06:41:43] | benomatic: | (googling yields no results thus far.) |
| [06:41:46] | sphery: | benomatic: you need to restart everything properly and completely |
| [06:41:56] | benomatic: | the machine has been rebooted twice since that upgrade |
| [06:41:57] | sphery: | i.e. reboot your system(s) is the easiest fix |
| [06:42:25] | benomatic: | i assume an upgrade script failed along the way someplace? |
| [06:42:37] | tgm4883: | benomatic, what version of mythtv? |
| [06:42:47] | sphery: | hmmm... |
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| [06:42:56] | Beirdo: | sphery: cool. |
| [06:43:01] | sphery: | 1032 is MythVideo schema for 0.23-fixes (meaning 0.23 and 0.23.1) |
| [06:43:07] | benomatic: | 0.23.0+fixes25423–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 |
| [06:43:25] | sphery: | 1036 is schema version for trunk |
| [06:43:35] | sphery: | meaning you have at one point run some old trunk schema |
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| [06:43:51] | tgm4883: | sphery, err, 1033? |
| [06:44:07] | Beirdo: | 90210? |
| [06:44:32] | benomatic: | you know what my videos are!?!?!! |
| [06:44:51] | sphery: | tgm4883: according to SVN it's 1032... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . heck.cpp#L91 |
| [06:45:15] | sphery: | benomatic: my recommendation: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462 |
| [06:45:18] | tgm4883: | sphery, I just asked because those are the two benomatic stated in his error message |
| [06:45:20] | benomatic: | hrmf. i did use mythbuntu's recommended fix repos. i will check to see if there is a different repo |
| [06:45:27] | tgm4883: | 1032 and 1033 |
| [06:45:42] | sphery: | tgm4883: ah, yeah, 1032 is 0.23-fixes (0.23 and 0.23.1) and 1036 is /current/ trunk |
| [06:45:52] | sphery: | so 1033 is some old version of post 0.23 trunk\ |
| [06:45:57] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [06:46:14] | benomatic: | still seems odd since i've never mixed versions. one would think that all pkgs from the same repo would be consistent... |
| [06:46:32] | benomatic: | but i will blame repos, try to fix, and failing that backup/restore |
| [06:46:40] | sphery: | benomatic: the approach on that post will fix it, but you'll end up needing to repopulate your MythVideo data (redownload metadata) |
| [06:47:16] | sphery: | which gives you the opportunity to clean up all the old garbage and improve your metadata in the process :) |
| [06:47:20] | benomatic: | i have no metadata of import, so it's no big deal. but i'm wary of staying on a repository line that doesn't keep up w/ itself. |
| [06:47:36] | benomatic: | and i've done backup/restore several times before, so that's no biggie either. |
| [06:47:40] | sphery: | well, 1033 should never have gotten into a -fixes/stable repo |
| [06:47:48] | sphery: | so I"m guessing something else may have happened |
| [06:48:03] | tgm4883: | benomatic, you are the first people i've heard with that issue |
| [06:48:08] | sphery: | (someone ran some mythfrontend client that upgraded the mythvideo schema past 0.23-fixes or something) |
| [06:48:40] | sphery: | could have been anything from a livecd boot to a different os build (Mac OS, Windows) |
| [06:48:42] | benomatic: | arg. i have an idea of the source. we have a mac laptop w/ the client. |
| [06:48:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:48:57] | benomatic: | i didn't realize clients could instantiate server-side upgrades like that. |
| [06:49:06] | sphery: | and it seems that if you're not careful the mac build script likes to download current svn trunk/development |
| [06:49:08] | wagnerrp: | only for plugins |
| [06:49:16] | sphery: | and, yeah, only for plugin schemas |
| [06:49:29] | sphery: | as the plugins are the servers :) |
| [06:49:30] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will not update the primary schema unless forced |
| [06:49:35] | sphery: | (i.e. there is no backend plugin) |
| [06:49:40] | tgm4883: | ok, well that doesn't seem to be an issue with the repos then, so i'm ducking out |
| [06:49:48] | benomatic: | tgm4883: tnx. |
| [06:49:50] | benomatic: | sorry for my naivety. |
| [06:50:00] | sphery: | heh, well thanks for listening just in case |
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| [06:50:19] | benomatic: | ok, time to backup/restore/rebuild |
| [06:50:19] | tgm4883: | well i just poked my head in cause mythtv trunk builds are failing for us on 10.04 right now, so thought it might be that |
| [06:50:32] | tgm4883: | and xchat gives me alerts on ubuntu and mythbuntu |
| [06:50:40] | sphery: | tgm4883: got any compile errors? |
| [06:50:56] | sphery: | I'm just starting my build and my system is using very similar compilers, so I may run across it |
| [06:51:02] | sphery: | if so, I'll see if I can fix it up for you |
| [06:51:17] | tgm4883: | sphery, no, it's actually source package issues on our server. applying a patch that it says is already there |
| [06:51:24] | sphery: | oh |
| [06:51:42] | tgm4883: | happens from time to time for some reason, thought we had it cleaned up |
| [06:51:43] | sphery: | yeah, some of these other guys have been pretty busy while I've been slacking :) |
| [06:52:00] | tgm4883: | it builds locally fine, so we just need to clean the server and push the build again |
| [06:52:08] | sphery: | oh, I thought maybe it was a change that got applied and you guys just didn't take it out of your script |
| [06:52:11] | sphery: | I see |
| [06:52:27] | tgm4883: | on the other hand, all builds are failing on 10.10 |
| [06:52:49] | sphery: | that's the Qt4.7 one? |
| [06:52:55] | tgm4883: | I believe so |
| [06:52:56] | sphery: | if so, yeah, we need some changes |
| [06:53:01] | tgm4883: | superm1 knows more about that issue |
| [06:53:11] | sphery: | I have a broken patch that makes it compile (but breaks MythTV) |
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| [06:53:21] | sphery: | and have half of the change to make it an actual useful patch |
| [06:53:26] | tgm4883: | theres a patch that supposedly fixes it, but IIRC it hasn't been tested much |
| [06:53:39] | sphery: | if it's the one I posted, it doesn't fix it |
| [06:53:45] | tgm4883: | not sure |
| [06:53:53] | sphery: | it breaks myth but stops the compiler from erroring :) |
| [06:54:11] | sphery: | I've just been working on the cutlist editor instead since that has to be done before freeze |
| [06:54:18] | sphery: | and the Qt4.7 fix can go in after freeze |
| [06:54:25] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [06:54:42] | sphery: | (and was hoping to work on one other pre-freeze feature after the cutlist editor changes/fixes) |
| [06:54:51] | tgm4883: | well i'll poke superm1 more tomorrow in case we need something |
| [06:54:58] | tgm4883: | some input* |
| [06:55:01] | sphery: | auto-import and orphaned file/metadata handling |
| [06:55:13] | sphery: | yeah, I think he's waiting on me... |
| [06:55:32] | sphery: | though if someone else wants to create template specializations for QString, I won't complain |
| [06:55:39] | tgm4883: | on a side note, we are only shipping released mythtv versions from now on |
| [06:55:54] | sphery: | one of them is rather straightforward, the 2nd template is more complex (and I don't know how I'll have to fix it, yet) |
| [06:55:54] | tgm4883: | I think you were there for that long convo this morning |
| [06:56:03] | tgm4883: | err, 13 hours ago |
| [06:56:09] | sphery: | here in -users? |
| [06:56:12] | sphery: | if so, I missed it |
| [06:56:13] | tgm4883: | yea I think so |
| [06:56:36] | tgm4883: | actually I think it was skd5aner |
| [06:56:49] | tgm4883: | couple other devs as well |
| [06:56:53] | sphery: | I caught a comment from gbee about how he'd prefer only released versions and that 0.23 isn't that stable (which is definitely true--it hasn't had the "lots" of stabilization that 0.21-fixes had) |
| [06:57:05] | sphery: | yeah, cool |
| [06:57:09] | tgm4883: | yea we will be doing that from now on |
| [06:57:11] | sphery: | I may go back and read context around that |
| [06:57:32] | sphery: | I think it's probably a good idea and will make for a lot fewer problems for you guys and for the users |
| [06:57:39] | tgm4883: | I agree |
| [06:57:48] | tgm4883: | we will still provide auto-builds for users |
| [06:57:50] | sphery: | seems a lot of people are enabling development autobuilds without understanding the risks/consequences |
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| [06:57:58] | justinh: | heh stability issues? what stability issues? |
| [06:58:11] | tgm4883: | and when I say released version, I mean a checkout of .23 fixes |
| [06:58:18] | sphery: | justinh: I heard a rumor that mythbackend actually /uses/ RAM |
| [06:58:27] | justinh: | what?! OMG! |
| [06:58:28] | Beirdo: | heya, justinh... you a new daddy, I take it |
| [06:58:43] | sphery: | tgm4883: oh, you mean the release tarballs? like checkout of the 0.23 /tag/? |
| [06:58:56] | justinh: | yes, our son came into the world at 4.01 yesterday morning, 7lb 13oz |
| [06:59:00] | sphery: | (or at this point 0.23.1 tag) |
| [06:59:06] | sphery: | justinh: congrats! |
| [06:59:07] | tgm4883: | sphery, it would be a checkout from the 0.23 fixes branch |
| [06:59:16] | sphery: | tgm4883: ah, cool... I think that's good. |
| [06:59:18] | tgm4883: | so not release tarball, but not .24 RC either |
| [06:59:24] | justinh: | sphery: cheers :-) |
| [06:59:31] | Beirdo: | justinh: congrats :) |
| [06:59:39] | sphery: | The tags wouldn't be bad--as long as we do point releases after the initial |
| [06:59:49] | sphery: | but the checkout of 0.23-fixes is good |
| [06:59:52] | justinh: | I had a slight beer to celebrate last night but I fell asleep after a couple of swigs |
| [06:59:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:00:11] | sphery: | yeah, you were up for like 6 days in anticipation, right? |
| [07:00:25] | wagnerrp: | pounds and ounces? you come to our side of the lake without telling anyone? |
| [07:00:28] | justinh: | had about 90 mins sleep in 36 hours. bad for the soul, that |
| [07:00:29] | sphery: | I'm glad you finally got some sleep--you need it |
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| [07:00:35] | Beirdo: | well, you will have a great, challenging and different time... for the next... 18 years? |
| [07:00:38] | justinh: | wagnerrp: people tend to quote baby weights in old money |
| [07:00:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:00:44] | tgm4883: | alright, off to bed for real this time |
| [07:01:06] | justinh: | wife might be coming out of hosp. today. took its toll on her, bless |
| [07:01:08] | sphery: | tgm4883: thanks for the info |
| [07:01:10] | sphery: | later |
| [07:01:34] | justinh: | Beirdo: it's certainly been all that already. god help me if it gets any worse lol |
| [07:01:42] | Beirdo: | almost 8lb... decent size lad |
| [07:02:47] | justinh: | yeah.. his feet seem quite long .. first thing I noticed about him after the initial shock |
| [07:03:27] | justinh: | the OMG it's a baby & he's ok after all this waiting shock |
| [07:03:27] | kormoc: | justinh, gratz and all that jazz |
| [07:03:32] | justinh: | cheez:-) |
| [07:03:41] | kormoc: | and with that, to sleep I go! |
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| [07:06:04] | justinh: | well, seems I've not fixed the 0G recording file size issue by either turning off active eit or increasing the tuning timeout |
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| [07:06:43] | justinh: | from my logs it looks like myth thinks the device is already being used, so it's either something racy or user cock-up |
| [07:07:24] | ** Beirdo hands justinh a trout ** | |
| [07:07:35] | Beirdo: | makes a good LART if frozen |
| [07:08:27] | dougt_: | i am seeing lots of h264 or AFD errors from my mythbackend (running the latest; build from source). everything appears to be working fine, but my log files are getting huge. any idea on how I could help debug this so that I don't sound like a complete noob when i file a bug report. |
| [07:08:44] | dougt_: | i think the errors are coming from mythcommflag. |
| [07:08:45] | sphery: | heh, talk to Beirdo |
| [07:08:58] | Beirdo: | dougt_: hehe, it is coming from mytcommflag |
| [07:09:05] | sphery: | dougt_: it's not a bug, though |
| [07:09:17] | Beirdo: | it is too, IMHO |
| [07:09:24] | Beirdo: | hhee |
| [07:09:27] | dougt_: | i don't think it is useful to have 500mbs of logs :-) |
| [07:09:27] | Beirdo: | buuut |
| [07:09:37] | sphery: | anything that libav* sees as an error is reported at important verbosity |
| [07:09:39] | dougt_: | should I just wrap mythcommflag for now? |
| [07:09:42] | Beirdo: | I hacked it outta mind |
| [07:09:45] | Beirdo: | mine rather |
| [07:09:50] | dougt_: | got a patch? |
| [07:09:50] | sphery: | so if it's not an error, libav needs fixing |
| [07:10:03] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, BUT it only happens in mythcommflag |
| [07:10:13] | sphery: | if that's the case, then mythcommflag has a bug |
| [07:10:17] | Beirdo: | we should find out the difference of why, and shut it up |
| [07:10:17] | sphery: | but there is a ticket for it |
| [07:10:27] | Beirdo: | dougt_: I could make one easily |
| [07:10:31] | Beirdo: | sphery: got a number? |
| [07:10:44] | dougt_: | beirdo: i would apply it happily |
| [07:10:51] | Beirdo: | one moment |
| [07:10:55] | dougt_: | or I can add my log spam to the bug too. |
| [07:10:59] | dougt_: | not sure if that is helpful |
| [07:11:00] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7419 |
| [07:11:43] | sphery: | since we didn't have any useful info in there, it was closed as a dup of #6729 |
| [07:12:13] | sphery: | if it's not a dup, it can be reopened or you can open a new one |
| [07:12:18] | Beirdo: | it is a dup |
| [07:12:26] | justinh: | I dunno how my 0B recording issue could even be racey or a user config thing – if it was I'd kind of expect it to happen more often |
| [07:12:33] | Beirdo: | the comments in #6729 has the errors |
| [07:12:52] | sphery: | 6729note that the patch on #6729 is useless for this issue |
| [07:13:17] | sphery: | (the log_count_repeats_24221.patch --it /only/ helps when the exact same *one* message is repeated) |
| [07:13:20] | Beirdo: | I will put the silencing patch in #6729 as a workaround |
| [07:13:35] | sphery: | it won't help :) |
| [07:13:44] | justinh: | hmm on friday I had 2 such recordings .. 376Bytes. lol. wonder if they were from the same tuner. if I add EIT to the log maybe that'll help narrow it down some |
| [07:13:58] | Beirdo: | why won't it help? |
| [07:14:07] | sphery: | since it's like 4 different messages alternating, the log repeats doesn't help |
| [07:14:10] | Beirdo: | it won't ever get committed, maybe, but people can use it |
| [07:14:26] | dougt_: | right, because there is an address in the log? |
| [07:14:26] | sphery: | which one are you talking about? |
| [07:14:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, I commented out those messages completely |
| [07:14:48] | sphery: | Beirdo: oh, you're saying upload the patch you made to comment those |
| [07:14:52] | sphery: | yeah, that makes sense |
| [07:14:52] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:14:54] | justinh: | around the failed recordings I see that the device myth wants is already in use. EIT being the most likely culprit |
| [07:15:12] | sphery: | I thought you meant you were going to apply the log_count_repeats patch to your tree |
| [07:15:30] | Beirdo: | heh, no |
| [07:15:42] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, johnnyj did that same patch you did about a month ago--I should have had him post it to the ticket |
| [07:15:59] | sphery: | that's why when you commented I said, "Yeah, comment it out." |
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| [07:16:25] | sphery: | (because I'd been through it once with him and walked him through how to do it, so I knew it would work) |
| [07:16:54] | sphery: | I think, though, that the only reason #6729 is still open is because of mythcommflag |
| [07:17:28] | sphery: | and, I don't think Capt M has an HD-PVR, so if you want to figure out why mythcommflag is having problems reading when the rest doesn't, I'm sure he'd be happy |
| [07:17:40] | dougt_: | heh. nice patch comment. |
| [07:17:58] | sphery: | dougt_: which one? |
| [07:17:59] | Beirdo: | dougt_: it's there |
| [07:18:11] | Beirdo: | hahaah |
| [07:18:28] | Beirdo: | yeah, taht's my local commit comment in my git branch of local changes |
| [07:18:28] | sphery: | ahhh, that one |
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| [07:18:59] | Beirdo: | it was driving me insane |
| [07:19:10] | sphery: | Beirdo: may also want to talk with ab qjp --he seems to be the HD-PVR guy, anymore :) |
| [07:19:21] | sphery: | might be able to push it off on him |
| [07:19:21] | justinh: | and er... wow.. how long does it take this backend to serve me the recorded programmes page anyway?! |
| [07:19:26] | Beirdo: | all I'd hear was grrrk grrrk grrrk as the logs would fill up |
| [07:19:38] | justinh: | there's 'only' like 600 recordings or so |
| [07:20:21] | sphery: | I just log to /dev/file13 , which udev creates for me (a symlink to /dev/null :) |
| [07:20:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:20:37] | sphery: | joking--I actually log to a file |
| [07:20:39] | Beirdo: | well, I'm developing... I want my logs |
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| [07:21:20] | Beirdo: | frigging mythfilldatabase is still coredumping on me |
| [07:21:27] | sphery: | justinh: shouldn't take that long... I have 1360 recordings (all remote) and it's pretty fast (2sec, maybe, until the "Loading" box goes away) |
| [07:21:40] | Beirdo: | it works... and coredumps when sending the clear cache to the backend |
| [07:21:47] | sphery: | yeah, another ticket |
| [07:22:04] | Beirdo: | it's filling just fine though |
| [07:22:05] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7714 |
| [07:22:16] | justinh: | wonder if I'd have benefitted from coming from a new db when I upgraded |
| [07:23:04] | Beirdo: | sphery: yup |
| [07:23:05] | sphery: | basically, mythfilldatabase sends a CLEARCACHE to the MBE, then the MBE sends the CLEARCACHE to all connected clients--including mythfilldatabase--then it starts to clear the settings cache /after/ it has already started to destroy the MythContext, so we end up segfaulting |
| [07:23:14] | ** Beirdo mentally adds a "me too" ** | |
| [07:23:30] | sphery: | we need to make sure that any received messages aren't actually processed after we begin to destroy the mythcontext |
| [07:23:38] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:23:55] | Beirdo: | meanwhile, I have an ever-fresh coredump of that |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:24:24] | sphery: | I was hoping it was something stupid like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24646 , but it's not ... It's actually much more insidious |
| [07:24:40] | sphery: | at least with mythcommflag, just cleaning up properly made it work well enough |
| [07:24:47] | Beirdo: | -rw------- 1 gjhurlbu gjhurlbu 22556672 2010-08–04 00:18 core |
| [07:24:48] | sphery: | but with mythfilldatabase, we always clean up properly |
| [07:25:06] | Beirdo: | nice small core, really |
| [07:25:15] | sphery: | yeah, not bad |
| [07:25:38] | dougt_: | oh cool Beirdo thanks! |
| [07:25:39] | Beirdo: | I could help with testing that should someone try to fix it |
| [07:25:42] | justinh: | anyway how are the failed recordings 376B ? |
| [07:25:44] | dougt_: | my log doesn't suck now..... |
| [07:25:47] | dougt_: | i can see things like: |
| [07:25:48] | dougt_: | *** glibc detected *** /usr/local/bin/mythpreviewgen: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb5ca1020 *** |
| [07:25:48] | Beirdo: | dougt_: not a problem |
| [07:25:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:26:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's not a long-term solution |
| [07:26:15] | Beirdo: | but it shuts it up enough to see the other issues |
| [07:26:51] | dougt_: | i wonder if --size 0x0 is the problem. |
| [07:27:00] | sphery: | justinh: got one of those 376B files? |
| [07:27:04] | Beirdo: | I got mad at it, what can I say :) |
| [07:27:07] | justinh: | got a couple |
| [07:27:20] | sphery: | dougt_: 0x0 just says to use the default size |
| [07:27:25] | dougt_: | ah. |
| [07:27:48] | sphery: | and 0s says to use the default time (which is dynamically calculated in trunk) |
| [07:28:07] | sphery: | and is a "dumb" user-specified value that's identical for every show on 0.23-fixes and below |
| [07:28:12] | justinh: | hmm maybe just the one then but mythweb thinks there are 2 |
| [07:28:24] | sphery: | size though is appropriate for both |
| [07:28:48] | sphery: | justinh: would be interesting to see the contents of it--see if it's like a header with no data or what... |
| [07:29:01] | sphery: | that said, I don't know my video formats, so I couldn't tell you... :) |
| [07:29:33] | sphery: | dougt_: as far as HD-PVR and previews go, those don't get along too well |
| [07:29:34] | justinh: | I could ffmpeg it I guess |
| [07:30:00] | Beirdo: | sphery: what kinda previews? |
| [07:30:09] | Beirdo: | my thumbnails work fine |
| [07:30:11] | sphery: | dougt_: the guy who seems to figure out most of the HD-PVR issues is actually running an every-5-min cron job that looks for hung or defunct preview processes and kills them |
| [07:30:13] | dougt_: | sphery: what do you mean? getting a preview from a file from a HD-PVR is crash? |
| [07:30:22] | dougt_: | sphery: ah! |
| [07:30:25] | dougt_: | that is funny |
| [07:30:27] | sphery: | they tend to hang or crash some |
| [07:30:38] | justinh: | sphery: looks like it's not got enough info for ffmpeg even |
| [07:30:47] | sphery: | I don't know details--don't have an HD-PVR |
| [07:30:54] | Beirdo: | sphery: odd... well mine don't do it |
| [07:30:58] | dougt_: | sphery: i see that a bunch too. |
| [07:30:58] | sphery: | justinh: heh, yeah, probably requires someone manually parsing it |
| [07:31:22] | sphery: | Beirdo: strange... and maybe a clue--if you can figure out why yours are working |
| [07:31:22] | justinh: | interesting. one of the failed recordings gets a 2nd chance |
| [07:31:33] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, I hear ya |
| [07:31:39] | justinh: | there's a 2nd recording above it with a good filesize |
| [07:31:58] | sphery: | hmmm... |
| [07:32:00] | Beirdo: | dunno WHY it works, but I haven't seen it wedge |
| [07:32:07] | sphery: | I wonder if you're seeing the "dummy" recordings, justinh |
| [07:32:30] | sphery: | i.e. the "play this video until I actually have some data from the card" recording that we give the player at startup |
| [07:32:58] | sphery: | though I'd think ffmpeg -i could actually parse the dummy video... |
| [07:33:35] | justinh: | hmmm and not actually seeing the device already in use error since I changed the active eit setting |
| [07:35:05] | Beirdo: | BTW: currently running trunk + #6824 + a reworked (and not finished) #3580 |
| [07:35:53] | dougt_: | valgrind hates mythpreviewgen: http://pastebin.org/447140 |
| [07:36:09] | sphery: | heh, yeah, you'd probably need a valgrind build |
| [07:36:43] | sphery: | --enable-valgrind disables timeouts for valgrind memory debugging |
| [07:36:52] | sphery: | (which kills usability, btw) |
| [07:36:53] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [07:37:17] | Beirdo: | valgrind has that effect on most complex apps |
| [07:37:31] | dougt_: | true enough. |
| [07:37:37] | sphery: | yeah, if only it worked so well as it does on my dead simple apps |
| [07:37:54] | dougt_: | wait... |
| [07:38:02] | dougt_: | does --enable-valgrind hurt perf? |
| [07:38:11] | dougt_: | it probably shouldn't matter that much right? |
| [07:38:32] | Beirdo: | it probably will, but not as much as valgrind itself |
| [07:38:36] | dougt_: | of course. |
| [07:38:47] | justinh: | DVBRec(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Stream handler died unexpectedly. |
| [07:39:07] | justinh: | so it looks like there was only one actual failed recording, and the backend segfaulted |
| [07:39:21] | sphery: | yeah, I wouldn't try to run a valgrind build for more than just a valgrind test run |
| [07:39:22] | justinh: | gonna have to add debugging to the build |
| [07:39:53] | Beirdo: | justinh: something for the long sleepless nights? |
| [07:40:01] | justinh: | interesting. it's always the same device too |
| [07:40:05] | justinh: | could be coincidence |
| [07:40:38] | Beirdo: | kick it in the nads |
| [07:40:51] | justinh: | Beirdo: yeah.. and judging from the txt my wife just sent, there's gonna be a few of them. Thomas is a night owl |
| [07:40:53] | dougt_: | sphery: was there a bug for the mythpreview suckage? |
| [07:41:13] | justinh: | I knew I shoulda woke him him sooner when I visited em last night |
| [07:41:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:41:40] | justinh: | ach well. 1% of recordings falling over I can kinda live with for now |
| [07:41:42] | sphery: | dougt_: don't know about that one |
| [07:41:45] | Beirdo: | at least ya didn't name him Bruce |
| [07:41:54] | justinh: | LOL |
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| [07:42:21] | Beirdo: | If I remember your last name rigt, I think that name's well spoken for |
| [07:42:38] | justinh: | there's been some confusion about his middle name. my wife was saying William but I thought we'd agreed on Edward |
| [07:42:59] | justinh: | not that I really care either way. Middle names... not having any I feel a bit indifferent about em anyway |
| [07:43:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:43:54] | sphery: | dougt_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8261 ? |
| [07:44:16] | sphery: | if so, it's quite possible that it's helped out by the recent signalmonitor changes |
| [07:44:17] | justinh: | time for some breakfast, then a quick bout of ironing.. then go & see my boy |
| [07:44:29] | Beirdo: | enjoy :) |
| [07:44:31] | dougt_: | another doug. |
| [07:44:31] | sphery: | (i.e. keeps MythTV from making any /more/ recordings with broken beginnings) |
| [07:44:46] | sphery: | yeah, I meant that might be the same issue |
| [07:44:50] | sphery: | not the same doug :) |
| [07:45:16] | dougt_: | have you seen me and him in the same room? |
| [07:45:19] | dougt_: | :-) |
| [07:45:34] | sphery: | actually, now that you mention it |
| [07:45:46] | sphery: | but then again, he has glasses and you don't, so you can't be the same person |
| [07:46:37] | dougt_: | scary that you know I do not have glasses right now. |
| [07:46:40] | dougt_: | :-) |
| [07:46:52] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:47:02] | sphery: | I just turned on your webcam and checked |
| [07:47:20] | sphery: | I used to work for a school board in Pennsylvania |
| [07:47:20] | ** Beirdo moons his webcam ** | |
| [07:47:30] | sphery: | I'm blind! |
| [07:47:31] | dougt_: | there are people at my work that have stickers over their cams. |
| [07:47:49] | sphery: | I'm looking at the USB plug on mine |
| [07:47:54] | Beirdo: | just remove the driver |
| [07:47:55] | sphery: | (i.e. don't leave it plugged in) |
| [07:47:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:48:07] | Beirdo: | mine's builtin to the laptop |
| [07:48:12] | sphery: | on my laptop, though, I don't worry about it |
| [07:48:13] | dougt_: | speaking of which... i need to zzz |
| [07:48:24] | dougt_: | i added a stacktrace for that crash. |
| [07:48:26] | sphery: | after all, when the light comes on, I'll know to worry |
| [07:48:37] | sphery: | later |
| [07:48:47] | dougt_: | sse2 code. |
| [07:49:02] | sphery: | might want to ask abq jp for his cron script :) |
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| [07:49:16] | dougt_: | sphery: lol I can do that. :-) |
| [07:49:37] | sphery: | guess that was just a nonymous leaving |
| [07:49:40] | dougt_: | either way, it is just an annoyance.... the crash happens at the end maybe cause previews look fine. |
| [07:49:49] | sphery: | yeah, probably |
| [07:49:55] | dougt_: | yeah.. now for realz. |
| [07:50:05] | sphery: | might even be similar to the mythcommflag one (i.e. when we fix the mythcontext, we'll fix all the apps) |
| [07:50:15] | Beirdo: | was just about to say that |
| [07:50:19] | dougt_: | thanks for the help... never disappointed. ;-) |
| [07:50:20] | Beirdo: | sounds rather... familiar |
| [07:50:34] | sphery: | yeah, I'm starting to think the same |
| [07:50:46] | sphery: | anyway, get some sleep |
| [07:50:47] | sphery: | later |
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| [07:55:24] | justinh: | sleep? wossat? |
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| [07:55:36] | Beirdo: | it's for wusses |
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| [08:31:53] | Beirdo: | fun fun fun |
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| [08:37:14] | Beirdo: | ok... bed time. |
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| [08:52:08] | peitolm: | I'm trying to build mythtv 0.23.1 from source, but it's unable to find lame, how can i tell it to look in /opt/lame-3.98.4/ ? |
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| [08:52:40] | peitolm: | there's an option to tell configure where to look for qmake, but I can't see anything similar for lame |
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| [09:18:47] | sidh: | Greetings |
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| [09:20:49] | sidh: | I'm running Mythbuntu 10.04 and i have crashes when i run a dvd, but when i read it alone with VLC it's ok, so i wounder about using vlc for watching dvd and movies, and keep using the default for tv (that works for the moment) |
| [09:22:51] | gbee: | sidh: filed a ticket? bugs don't get fixed if no-one knows about them |
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| [09:25:51] | sidh: | on mythbuntu or mythtv bts ? |
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| [13:20:16] | EvilGuru: | I gather there have ben some changes to tv_grab_uk_rt; what do I need to do to fix my listings? |
| [13:20:51] | EvilGuru: | running mythfilldatabase in verbose mode shows that tv_grab_uk_rt is not actually getting any data |
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| [13:44:02] | gbee: | run it manually, what does it say? |
| [13:44:25] | gbee: | sounds like a bug with tv_grab_uk_rt, or more likely a new perl dependancy |
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| [14:42:13] | EvilGuru: | gbee: Nothing, it runs, says it is getting data (I see the progress bar), but it does not actually grab any |
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| [16:08:05] | hopper75: | I have an antenna picking up local & distant channels. These map to different zip codes on schedulesdirect. Is there a best way to configure the video sources to aggregate the guide data for both? |
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| [16:10:55] | wagnerrp: | file a ticket with SD |
| [16:11:21] | wagnerrp: | see if you can get them to get TMS to extend the channel distance |
| [16:11:50] | hopper75: | wagnerrp: ok, thank you. I'll do so. |
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| [16:18:31] | Beirdo2: | Aflac! |
| [16:20:14] | ** wagnerrp gets his duck blind ** | |
| [16:20:43] | Beirdo2: | Want to irc on the bus on the way to work? There's an app for that! |
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| [16:21:34] | ** Beirdo2 wiffle-bats apple ** | |
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| [16:25:33] | ** Beirdo2 quacks at wagnerrp ** | |
| [16:26:45] | gbee: | EvilGuru: problem at RT end |
| [16:26:59] | gbee: | their .dat files are empty |
| [16:27:05] | EvilGuru: | gbee: Eep, okay. I've got 8 days of listings left |
| [16:27:30] | gbee: | EvilGuru: drop them an email, they are usually good about fixing it |
| [16:28:38] | Beirdo2: | Dear sirs: your setup is borked |
| [16:29:51] | Beirdo2: | Why must my iphone be such a battery sucker? |
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| [16:30:59] | Beirdo2: | Ok. Work time |
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| [16:33:41] | gbee: | keeping in mind that we're basically leaching off them, the radiotimes folk are pretty nice about fixing reported problems |
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| [16:51:44] | extasy: | I have started to get some weired things in .23 fixes (svn 25496), the version # has changed from 54 to svn #. This is causing problems with other frontends not runing ubuntu. |
| [16:51:44] | extasy: | Also an environment problem. |
| [16:51:44] | extasy: | Using runtime prefix = /usr |
| [16:51:44] | extasy: | Using configuration directory = /.mythtv |
| [16:51:44] | extasy: | Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME |
| [16:52:21] | extasy: | the protocol* |
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| [16:53:29] | extasy: | I am able to start mythbackend by doing loading it with variable, export HOME=/home/mythtv ; mythbackend -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -d |
| [16:53:44] | extasy: | however problem is still there in log |
| [16:53:58] | tgm4883: | extasy, the protocol version number is a known issue with auto-builds, we are working on it. |
| [16:54:07] | dougt_: | has anyone see a problem where the encoder/tuner settings are lost after a `killall mythbackend` |
| [16:54:24] | extasy: | perfect! I was afraid this was the future.. |
| [16:54:52] | extasy: | so backends and frontends were forced to be on the same build.. |
| [16:55:45] | extasy: | tgm4883, any infocmation about the enviroment variables? |
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| [17:05:21] | tgm4883: | extasy, not sure, I thought it was set in the upstart script for the backend. I'm not at home so I can't verify |
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| [17:12:14] | sphery: | I wonder what the user is doing with the backend XML in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4280 that breaks when changes are made to the format of the document. I mean one of the main benefits of XML is its resilience across formats. |
| [17:12:34] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, seriously |
| [17:12:41] | sphery: | Wonder if he's the "put your mythtv backend status in /etc/issue by polling the backend every 5 minutes" guy |
| [17:12:59] | sphery: | if so, maybe wagnerrp needs to rewrite his hack properly using the Python bindings... ;) |
| [17:13:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:13:28] | Beirdo: | either way.. meh |
| [17:13:34] | Beirdo: | just parse the XML, dork |
| [17:14:05] | kormoc: | /etc/issue? some standard I don't know? |
| [17:14:27] | kormoc: | sphery, he's likely grepping rather then domming |
| [17:14:54] | sphery: | OK, http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/mythtv-status.html and the whois giving, "admin_contact_name: Andrew's little area" makes me think that /is/ the same guy |
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| [17:15:11] | sphery: | kormoc: /etc/issue being the message displayed on login |
| [17:15:18] | sphery: | and issue.net the one on remote login |
| [17:15:28] | sphery: | man issue |
| [17:15:36] | jams: | you mean motd? |
| [17:15:56] | sphery: | ok, technically the "pre-login message and identification file" |
| [17:16:02] | sphery: | so it identifies the host |
| [17:16:14] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [17:16:18] | sphery: | though it seems he is changing the motd |
| [17:16:21] | kormoc: | interesting |
| [17:16:21] | Beirdo: | /etc/issue is NORMALLY a one-liner that identifies the distro |
| [17:16:38] | Beirdo: | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| [17:16:41] | Beirdo: | as in. |
| [17:16:47] | ** sphery apologizes for not having actually used the hack ** | |
| [17:16:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, same guy |
| [17:16:52] | kormoc: | This is \n.\O (\s \m \r) \t |
| [17:17:01] | Beirdo: | name matches in his git repo |
| [17:17:17] | sphery: | yeah, so rewritten properly with real bindings and it will work |
| [17:17:27] | extasy: | anyone who has noticed that alot of pictures from "video" has fallen out, have mythtv changed what pictures that are pulled from themoviedb? |
| [17:17:37] | sphery: | he even avoids the perl bindings for 99% of the things he does, IIRC |
| [17:17:58] | kormoc: | extasy, check your hard drives for holes in the bottom? |
| [17:18:19] | Beirdo: | well, TBH, the perl bindings do need an upgrade... |
| [17:18:22] | sphery: | extasy: you need to update to more-current 0.23-fixes |
| [17:18:29] | Beirdo: | oh wait, that's on my TODO list. crud. |
| [17:18:49] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah... but hacking a around them to poll the backend status page isn't the solutoin |
| [17:19:03] | Beirdo: | it's a decent temporary solution |
| [17:19:10] | Beirdo: | but for God's sakes... |
| [17:19:18] | sphery: | well, it's been temporary since 0.21, at the least |
| [17:19:45] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah well |
| [17:20:10] | Beirdo: | still a neat little hack. And should be linked from the wiki somewhere |
| [17:20:27] | kormoc: | meh |
| [17:20:36] | kormoc: | he has the skills to extend the perl bindings |
| [17:20:41] | kormoc: | that's what he should have done |
| [17:20:47] | Beirdo: | like the "user scripts" page |
| [17:21:02] | sphery: | really, polling the backend status every 5 mins is likely to crash the backend |
| [17:21:03] | Beirdo: | hey, if he wants to submit patches for the bindings... |
| [17:21:05] | kormoc: | For the love of jeebus, help us with the bindings! |
| [17:21:09] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i etree you insensitive clod... |
| [17:21:14] | sphery: | the backend HTTP server has some issues with "over-use" |
| [17:21:14] | Beirdo: | sphery: bah, not likely |
| [17:21:21] | extasy: | sphery, I'm on svn 25496 when was this fixed? |
| [17:21:31] | Beirdo: | I reload every 5 min sometimes via mythweb |
| [17:21:44] | sphery: | let's just say that throughout the last few releases, the major backend instabilities we've had were due to the backend http server |
| [17:21:59] | Beirdo: | then we should FIX the stupid thing |
| [17:22:01] | sphery: | and more mythbackends are killed by monit's polling the backend status page than are "saved" by monit's restarting |
| [17:22:35] | Beirdo: | fair enough. |
| [17:22:45] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't be hitting it with nagios if I were you |
| [17:22:58] | Beirdo: | but it should be made a lot more bulletproof if it's an issue |
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| [17:23:00] | sphery: | extasy: you should have the updates, then |
| [17:23:11] | jams: | Beirdo- I do with no problems whatso ever |
| [17:23:18] | jams: | every 5 minutes it gets hit twice |
| [17:23:30] | Beirdo: | I should think that should be OK |
| [17:23:40] | Beirdo: | if it isn't, someone needs to spearhead fixing it |
| [17:23:42] | sphery: | history notwithstanding |
| [17:24:05] | jams: | works fine here..but then again i'm still on .21 |
| [17:24:10] | sphery: | yes, but someone has completely rewritten the http/xml/upnp code... so |
| [17:24:27] | sphery: | (that being the response to "someone should fix it") |
| [17:24:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:24:42] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
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| [17:24:58] | Beirdo: | hmmm. #8722. He may be onto something |
| [17:25:14] | extasy: | sphery, then why could be wrong? |
| [17:25:20] | Beirdo: | BRB |
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| [17:25:31] | sphery: | anyway, I don't want some stupid motd-generator killing my backend because it polls the status page every 5 minutes so that when I ssh to my backend system once every 3 days I'll see a status message |
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| [17:25:48] | sphery: | After all, if I /wanted/ to see a status message, I'd, er, go to the status page in a browser |
| [17:25:57] | sphery: | when I ssh to my system, I'm doing something else... |
| [17:26:01] | sphery: | but maybe that's just me |
| [17:26:31] | jams: | sphery- i use it to remind me that a recording is coming up and I shouldn't do any thing that would interrupt it |
| [17:27:11] | sphery: | I'll admit that I've been very biased against the script since the day the guy said he didn't want to redo his code to use the bindings |
| [17:27:37] | sphery: | and, funny enough, if he /did/ use the bindings, the XML status "version" wouldn't matter |
| [17:28:02] | jams: | i like the idea lets put it that way. Although I may have done my own to avoid perl and perl bindings and the fail that will result |
| [17:28:44] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [17:29:27] | wagnerrp: | as long as you dont do something like access mysql from within perl/python using the 'mysql' command line program |
| [17:29:38] | wagnerrp: | that immediately earns a fail whale |
| [17:30:36] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Pdatranscode.pl |
| [17:31:20] | sphery: | in fairness to the guy who wrote that, he probably copied the structure of the old mythlink.sh |
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| [17:31:51] | sphery: | but still, should have been updated since and done right |
| [17:31:54] | wagnerrp: | in fairness to the guy who wrote that, the old mythlink.pl that wrapped mythlink.sh gets a fail too |
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| [17:32:29] | sphery: | is was a sh that called mysql, then called perl -e, right? |
| [17:32:38] | sphery: | not perl calling shell |
| [17:32:53] | wagnerrp: | ah, i remember it was something screwy |
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| [17:33:18] | sphery: | but, yeah, that should get a fail whale, too, which is why it has since been fixed |
| [17:33:31] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .sh?rev=5000 |
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| [17:33:54] | wagnerrp: | your link is broken |
| [17:34:47] | sphery: | isn't it trac that's broken? |
| [17:34:58] | kormoc: | works for me (tm)(r) |
| [17:35:02] | sphery: | now working |
| [17:35:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:35:31] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
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| [17:36:45] | sphery: | yeah, sorta |
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| [17:37:02] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, I'd be unlikely to use it as MOTD |
| [17:37:14] | Beirdo: | maybe the diskfree part |
| [17:37:30] | Beirdo: | but having a command to do it isn't all bad... just needs a rework :) |
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| [17:37:44] | sphery: | yes, needs a rework |
| [17:37:53] | iamlindoro: | The XMLTV date guy is a pain in the ass |
| [17:37:56] | sphery: | and the fact that it's distributed by many distros makes it need a rework even more |
| [17:38:00] | iamlindoro: | classic example of how NOT to get your way |
| [17:38:28] | iamlindoro: | suggesting code changes but refusing to explain what you see as far as symptom = ticket closed and locked |
| [17:38:30] | Beirdo: | well, IF we are parsing the date wrong (according to the DTD), then we should fix it |
| [17:38:41] | Beirdo: | he DID say what the problem is |
| [17:38:53] | iamlindoro: | no, he said he thinks we're parsing it wrong, not what the result is |
| [17:38:56] | Beirdo: | we are parsing it in one format, the DTD says it's in another format |
| [17:38:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, needs a description of at least how to go about reproducing the issue and verifying it's fixed |
| [17:39:04] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [17:39:10] | iamlindoro: | We are parsing it in a very permissive format |
| [17:39:10] | Beirdo: | OK, you have a good point |
| [17:39:19] | iamlindoro: | that quite likely accounts for the difference |
| [17:39:32] | sphery: | The Qt3 date parsing probably handled the other format |
| [17:39:32] | iamlindoro: | so unless he can show an *example* of it as a misparse, it's not a bug |
| [17:39:35] | sphery: | Qt4 is more strict |
| [17:39:38] | Beirdo: | some symptoms would be good :) |
| [17:39:42] | sphery: | but still, we need places/symptoms/... |
| [17:39:58] | Beirdo: | he did give places (with a patch), did he not? |
| [17:40:11] | Beirdo: | granted, maybe in a stupid way |
| [17:40:12] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [17:40:25] | iamlindoro: | There's a patch, but it's a solution without an (explained) problem |
| [17:40:34] | iamlindoro: | well, not a patch, even |
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| [17:41:10] | wagnerrp: | doesnt ISO8601 allow an arbitrary spacer anyway? i didnt think it needed to be a 'T' |
| [17:41:18] | iamlindoro: | You are correct |
| [17:41:23] | sphery: | in Qt3, it did |
| [17:41:27] | sphery: | in Qt4, it may not |
| [17:41:29] | iamlindoro: | and ISO 8601 has both basic and extended formts |
| [17:41:36] | wagnerrp: | in python, it doesnt |
| [17:41:41] | Beirdo: | and both include -, and the DTD says no - |
| [17:41:41] | iamlindoro: | basic is YYYYMMDDthhmmss |
| [17:41:59] | iamlindoro: | meaning without the spacer, it conforms to the XMLTV format |
| [17:42:03] | Beirdo: | or do I have that backwards? Meh, I dunno, I don't use xmltv :) |
| [17:42:14] | iamlindoro: | so what I'm saying is, it's very likely/possible that Qt::ISODate handles the XMLTV format fine |
| [17:42:40] | sphery: | I think the Qt4 implementation does require extended format |
| [17:42:45] | iamlindoro: | so unless he is willing to stop being a douchebag and calmly explain what he is *seeing*, it is dangerous to arbitrarily change code that affect many/most of our users |
| [17:42:50] | sphery: | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qt.html#DateFormat-enum |
| [17:42:52] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [17:43:03] | sphery: | but, yeah, we should actually find out what's affected |
| [17:43:43] | iamlindoro: | Totally fine with making changes, but it's just not a bright idea to make changes without an actual explanation |
| [17:44:19] | sphery: | Yeah, I wouldn't touch the ticket--even if I did use XMLTV--without at least knowing where I can verify the results. |
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| [17:48:43] | Beirdo: | well, if it's a matter of improper date parsing, someone with xmltv should be able to verify it and work with us to test. |
| [17:48:58] | Beirdo: | and a dev with xmltv would be ideal, if there is such a person :) |
| [17:49:01] | iamlindoro: | That's exactly my point |
| [17:49:03] | iamlindoro: | We have plenty |
| [17:49:07] | iamlindoro: | and no reported issues in the past |
| [17:49:19] | iamlindoro: | So if there is a *symptom*, we need to know it |
| [17:49:28] | iamlindoro: | not just "Meh, you're doing this wrong, change the code!" |
| [17:49:40] | iamlindoro: | IMO that's not enough to change well-trodden code and destabilize it |
| [17:50:01] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: You're not planning to commit the lossless TFW this release, are you? |
| [17:50:25] | iamlindoro: | daniel/stuart expressed serious reservations in the past and said they wanted it in at the beginning of a dev cycle, if at all |
| [17:50:25] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure if it will be ready, but I'm soaking it in on my setup anyways |
| [17:50:37] | Beirdo: | we can target it for 0.25 |
| [17:51:23] | iamlindoro: | Personally am not convinced it offers enough benefit given how invasive it is |
| [17:51:37] | iamlindoro: | aside from a "this should perform better under load" general statment |
| [17:52:02] | Beirdo: | well, that should be enough of a reason as long as it doesn't break things :) |
| [17:52:31] | Beirdo: | but I have no problems with pushing it off. |
| [17:52:53] | wagnerrp: | !seen RAj |
| [17:52:53] | MythLogBot: | RAj was last seen 9 hours 44 minutes 54 seconds ago |
| [17:53:15] | wagnerrp: | so that was... 2am? |
| [17:53:34] | iamlindoro: | Hopefully danielk can have a look at it too, think he and stuarta worked with the guy writing it prety closely |
| [17:53:53] | iamlindoro: | !seen mortalmatt |
| [17:53:53] | MythLogBot: | mortalmatt has not been seen here |
| [17:53:58] | iamlindoro: | hmmm |
| [17:54:20] | wagnerrp: | guy PMd me last night, no idea WTF he wanted |
| [17:54:23] | wagnerrp: | just said 'hi' |
| [17:55:55] | Beirdo: | yeah. stuarta and I plan to soak it in and try to stress it some, but if general sentiment is to punt to 0.25, not a prob |
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| [18:08:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: he didn't tell you about the women in your area waiting to meet guys like you? |
| [18:08:40] | sphery: | oh, wait, that's Skype |
| [18:09:21] | sphery: | Beirdo: 0.24 would have been fine for it--had someone actually been willing to commit it (and follow up all the issues :) right after 0.23 release |
| [18:11:15] | sphery: | I know I'm afraid to touch it... After all, look at how much trouble my adding a "generic screensaver handling" facility caused. There were just too many distros that refused to support the idea of "one way of controlling all screensavers--even if you're not running a stupid Desktop Environment" |
| [18:12:07] | sphery: | and that was a simple patch that had no bugs (the only bugs were in the tool it relied on--and only because the DE's refuse to work in a way that would allow a desktop-agnostic control of screensavers :( ) |
| [18:14:37] | wagnerrp: | ooh... EA is filing trademarks on the 'Syndicate' name |
| [18:15:57] | high-rez: | Speaking of 0.24 – i had the strangest bug last night. I click on watch tv, that would work. I would change a channel, that would work – but all channel changes after that failed. |
| [18:16:52] | high-rez: | Yet, it appears to be working now – for what reason I don't know cause when I get up my wife already had the news going and no complaints have been heard. ;) |
| [18:18:00] | sphery: | high-rez: recording in progress on another multirec tuner? |
| [18:18:08] | sphery: | locking you to a mux? |
| [18:18:52] | high-rez: | sphery: No multirec going on at the time, but I thought it might be locked to a mux. I need to investigate tonight. |
| [18:19:12] | sphery: | maybe active EIT collection? |
| [18:19:23] | high-rez: | Nope, Schedules Direct only. |
| [18:19:30] | sphery: | ah, then I'm out of guesses |
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| [18:19:38] | sphery: | definitly strange |
| [18:19:59] | high-rez: | I looked at the commits between the old trunk I was running and my svn update from mid day yesterday and I didn't see anything that popped out as even really having an impact. |
| [18:21:33] | high-rez: | Is there a description of what the LAM etc mean floating around somewhere ? |
| [18:22:52] | high-rez: | I've always guessed that L was that it locked the transponder, A was it could read the transport stream, m was.. something? |
| [18:24:19] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.21 |
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| [18:25:25] | high-rez: | Ahh, ok PAT / PMT |
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| [18:25:36] | high-rez: | What is T ? |
| [18:25:44] | high-rez: | That's not described in there... |
| [18:25:59] | wagnerrp: | T? |
| [18:26:25] | high-rez: | Yeah it showed TLAM on my machine last night (which looked like a change) |
| [18:26:38] | high-rez: | Transport Stream ? |
| [18:26:54] | Misto: | QtCreator is sloow |
| [18:26:58] | iamlindoro: | Possibly related to jpabq's HDPVr/signal monitor changes |
| [18:28:51] | high-rez: | Huh, wouldn't think I'd see it for a non HDPVR device then... |
| [18:29:03] | iamlindoro: | Have you read the changeset? |
| [18:29:39] | iamlindoro: | The changes don't just affect the HD-PVR |
| [18:30:03] | iamlindoro: | T = tuned |
| [18:30:16] | high-rez: | Ahh ok |
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| [18:32:10] | high-rez: | |
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| [18:36:36] | wagnerrp: | well thats disappointing... |
| [18:36:46] | wagnerrp: | FreeSynd is only partially written |
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| [18:37:48] | Misto: | I get way too many errors on Macos when plain compiling |
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| [18:38:23] | Misto: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-23-fixes/ |
| [18:38:23] | Misto: | ./configure |
| [18:38:27] | Misto: | qmake -spec macx-g++ mythtv.pro |
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| [18:38:40] | kormoc: | Misto, you should use the build scripts we provide for OS X |
| [18:38:43] | wagnerrp: | why are you running 'qmake' instead of just 'make'? |
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| [18:38:56] | Misto: | configure doesn't generate any Makefile |
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| [18:39:00] | Misto: | kormoc: where is it ? |
| [18:39:22] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . g/OSX/build/ |
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| [18:39:59] | Misto: | kormoc: makebundle ? |
| [18:40:16] | kormoc: | osx-packager.pl |
| [18:41:02] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X#B . . . utomatically |
| [18:41:15] | Misto: | kormoc: tnx |
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| [18:42:06] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
| [18:42:23] | rhpot1991: | forgive me if someone has mentioned this in here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/08/h . . . -theater.ars |
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| [18:45:32] | kormoc: | Hahaha! |
| [18:45:34] | kormoc: | "I wrote my own interface/backend for handling media since all of the available options (Myth, MCE, etc) aren't very good for TV (or at least, they weren't two years ago)" |
| [18:45:42] | kormoc: | Wow, myth wasn't good for tv... |
| [18:46:36] | iamlindoro: | where's that? |
| [18:46:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, between stuarta and I, we will likely be committing it shortly after 0.24 (sorry for the meeting delay... work and all...) |
| [18:46:58] | kormoc: | that link |
| [18:47:04] | kormoc: | comments in it specifically |
| [18:47:05] | ** iamlindoro goes to check the logs ** | |
| [18:47:16] | kormoc: | oh whoops, <rhpot1991> forgive me if someone has mentioned this in here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/08/h . . . -theater.ars |
| [18:47:23] | wagnerrp: | i like the 'usenet' response |
| [18:47:42] | iamlindoro: | mythtv + mythbuntu had better be one result |
| [18:47:51] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [18:48:04] | iamlindoro: | That's what I'm getting it-- splits the vote |
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| [18:48:22] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, I agree |
| [18:48:35] | rhpot1991: | agreed |
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| [18:49:19] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: if you look mythbackend later seems to bee mythtv + mythbuntu |
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| [18:50:16] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I am impressed that you bothered to read the changeset close enough to know what 'T' means. Most people would not have bothered. |
| [18:50:42] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: can't yell at people about reading the changesets if I don't... and I do love my yelling ;) |
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| [18:50:51] | abqjp: | :) |
| [18:50:55] | wagnerrp: | 'win 2k3 r2 should have been offered as an os option for storage servers, if only for its ubiquitous presence on the market' |
| [18:51:02] | kormoc: | abqjp, you don't!?!?!!? THE SHOCK AND HORROR!!! |
| [18:51:16] | wagnerrp: | just what consumer goes out and buys a copy of windows server to run for a home file server? |
| [18:51:21] | iamlindoro: | He idn't have to, he wrote it :) |
| [18:51:33] | abqjp: | kormoc: all depends on the subject line. If the subject peaks my interest, then I do. Otherwise... |
| [18:51:37] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [18:51:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: The kind that thinks they have "high technical level" |
| [18:51:53] | wagnerrp: | i mean at least 2k8, a single OEM license is $650 |
| [18:51:59] | wagnerrp: | XP was like $100 |
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| [18:52:20] | wagnerrp: | or are these people running Win Server 2k3 Pirate Edition? |
| [18:52:22] | kormoc: | the ones that acquired it license free |
| [18:52:28] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:52:57] | kormoc: | or took them from work |
| [18:53:03] | abqjp: | sphery: I have actually not had a preview generation process run wild for a while now. I hope that means the problem is fixed. |
| [18:53:44] | kormoc: | I knew a guy who would get updated software for work, take it home, install, activate it, tell the bosses when he'd install it at work it was already activated so they bought another license for work and he just kept the first one |
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| [18:54:10] | kormoc: | and he saw nothing wrong with that |
| [18:54:10] | Beirdo: | kormoc: oooh, sneaky |
| [18:54:31] | Beirdo: | underhanded and nasty, but sneaky |
| [18:54:47] | kormoc: | "So you're running outlook 2000 with 100 client licenses for your home website?" "Yup!" |
| [18:55:00] | wagnerrp: | 'rapidshare should be added as a content source' |
| [18:55:13] | wagnerrp: | well i suppose they /do/ have torrents listed, why not... |
| [18:55:49] | kormoc: | what about megashare and ultrashare and ubershare and megaRapidUltraUberShare? |
| [18:56:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:56:06] | wagnerrp: | 'i pay $25/mo for usenet access' |
| [18:56:37] | wagnerrp: | christ, for that much, get the high end netflix account and you come out ahead |
| [18:57:22] | wagnerrp: | '2TB drives x 16'... iamlindoro, i think hes got you beat |
| [18:57:36] | kormoc: | but unlimited binaries, I just have to wait a year or to for part 25/25 to pop back up |
| [18:58:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, perhaps it's a raid6 with 4 hot spares? |
| [18:58:31] | wagnerrp: | actually, RAID10 (so only 16TB usable, iamlindoro wins) |
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| [18:59:06] | kormoc: | nothing like streaming a 12 mbit recording at 400 megabytes per second! |
| [18:59:43] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [19:00:01] | wagnerrp: | and hes running it all on WinServ 2k8, on VMWare ESX |
| [19:00:06] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I did add *one* more disc recently, but it's still "just" 12 x 2 TB |
| [19:00:12] | wagnerrp: | isnt ESX ridiculously expensive? |
| [19:00:13] | sid3windr: | just. |
| [19:00:14] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [19:00:34] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [19:00:34] | sid3windr: | I will keep that in mind when someone calls me a freak with 10x1TB |
| [19:00:52] | iamlindoro: | Hey, gotta do something with all those drive bays |
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| [19:01:06] | wagnerrp: | i always wonder that when i see people on the mailing list wanting to run mythtv under a hypervisor |
| [19:01:07] | sid3windr: | esxi us free btw |
| [19:01:08] | sid3windr: | *is |
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| [19:03:38] | kormoc: | ESX is $500 for a 3 dual server license if you're a small business |
| [19:04:14] | kormoc: | if you want HA, it's $3500 |
| [19:04:19] | wagnerrp: | i suppose thats not bad... until you realize that you dont actually need virtualization |
| [19:04:50] | ** Beirdo virtualizes wagnerrp ** | |
| [19:05:07] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand where people got the idea that you can only run one service on a single system instance ** | |
| [19:05:27] | kormoc: | depends on how clean you want it |
| [19:05:27] | Beirdo: | it's way cleaner to deal with that way |
| [19:05:40] | Beirdo: | BUT... a pain too |
| [19:05:52] | kormoc: | I like updating say apache and not having the mail server fall over cause a dep updated |
| [19:05:55] | sid3windr: | migrates easier to other hw ;) |
| [19:06:02] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [19:06:47] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: so you use chroot, or some other form of jailing mechanism |
| [19:07:03] | wagnerrp: | freebsd, linux, solaris... they all have some utility for that |
| [19:07:14] | Beirdo: | there's an app for that |
| [19:07:27] | wagnerrp: | linux has multiple |
| [19:07:34] | kormoc: | that's a huge pain in the ass when you have dozens to hundreds of machines |
| [19:07:34] | Beirdo: | but chroot is a poor substitute for proper virtualization |
| [19:07:44] | sid3windr: | linux-vserver ftw :) |
| [19:07:46] | kormoc: | and I do like the active service migration |
| [19:07:50] | kormoc: | yeech! |
| [19:07:53] | Beirdo: | linux-vserver BLECH |
| [19:07:57] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [19:08:28] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, personally I like being able to just migrate services off of boxes without causing a server interruption |
| [19:08:36] | kormoc: | that said, this stuff isn't for the home office |
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| [19:10:36] | ** Beirdo gives his computer a Trudeau Salute ** | |
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| [19:11:10] | Beirdo: | points to any non-Canadian who knows what that means without looking it up |
| [19:11:48] | Misto: | kormoc: that scripts builds QT from scratch ! |
| [19:12:08] | Misto: | and QT compilation fails |
| [19:12:14] | kormoc: | Beirdo, it's a ex-PM, no? |
| [19:12:20] | kormoc: | Misto, with the specific options we require, yes |
| [19:12:22] | Beirdo: | Trudeau was, yes :) |
| [19:12:45] | kormoc: | I've heard the name before, that's it |
| [19:12:45] | Beirdo: | and his salute... rather famous (in Canada) picture of him giving protesters the finger coined the term |
| [19:13:21] | Misto: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/cTTyQCds |
| [19:13:24] | Misto: | any idea why? |
| [19:13:26] | Beirdo: | Gotta love our Canuck French politicians |
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| [19:13:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, the only reason I turned off my ESXi server at home was because it was pulling 2–3 amps on average. my dev VM and other test VMs run under Server 2.x now on my wife's dual-core box. eventually I'll build another low-power multi-core server and put ESXi back on, but for now this is working fine. I even ran my firewall as a VM for a few years until I installed OpenWrt on my WRT54G and switched to using that as the FW |
| [19:13:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | instead of just as an access point. |
| [19:13:54] | Misto: | I am on snow leopard |
| [19:14:01] | Beirdo: | a few years back Chretien (another PM) throttled a protestor. |
| [19:14:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:14:19] | Beirdo: | lunch |
| [19:14:34] | kormoc: | Misto, as am I and it builds correctly for me |
| [19:15:26] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, heh, fair 'nuff, but that's more datacenterish then using 2008 as a VM for a NAS |
| [19:15:36] | Misto: | Mac OS X version 10.5 or later is needed for |
| [19:15:47] | kormoc: | and to be fair, I do run vmware fusion a lot |
| [19:24:53] | Misto: | kormoc: trying with the 4.6.3 instead of 4.6.0 of Qt |
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| [19:28:53] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: thats the only real use i see for full virtualization, test machines |
| [19:29:04] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, virtualization should be the nitch market, rather than the norm |
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| [19:36:33] | Misto: | kormoc: there was a line commented inside the packager |
| [19:36:59] | Misto: | it was strange it was keeping downloading 4.4.3 |
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| [19:50:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, lots of reasons for it in a production environment though. we have > 800 VMs in our two hosting environments at work. double that in physical servers though. minimum server we buy now is a dual-socket quad-core nehalem w/ 12GB RAM and the min # of cores will go up sometime soon. doesn't make sense to buy anything less because of the cost of a U of rack space. |
| [20:00:07] | wagnerrp: | somehow my left arrow key has become locked depressed... |
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| [20:48:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you tried Zoloft? |
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| [20:53:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i think flash was doing it |
| [20:54:01] | wagnerrp: | it stopped as soon as i killed firefox |
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| [21:24:48] | high-rez: | (to the rythm of hallelujah): User error.... User error.... User error. User error. User..... Error! |
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| [21:38:33] | sphery: | j-rod: you could spend it on a new XBox 360S for me... I just had to make the difficult decision of whether to buy a replacement PSU brick for my original-model XBox 360 (2nd replacement after RRoD's) or to consider a new 360S (which MS says will never get the RRoD). |
| [21:38:43] | sphery: | I chose the $35 PSU. |
| [21:39:25] | sphery: | may also do the X-bracket removal and fasten the mobo to the steel case just to try to prolong life/delay the next RRoD (now that I'm out of 3-yr extended RRoD warranty) |
| [21:39:28] | tgm4883: | sphery, that is true, it will never get the RRoD. It lacks the hardware to do so |
| [21:40:02] | sphery: | does that mean it lacks the red ring? or that the CPU/GPU replacement was properly affixed, soldered, etc? |
| [21:40:17] | sphery: | (and cooled, and power-coupled, and ...) |
| [21:40:18] | tgm4883: | IIRC, it lacks the red leds to light up the ring |
| [21:40:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:40:40] | tgm4883: | although IIRC, I also believe it has a single die cpu/gpu now |
| [21:41:12] | sphery: | yeah, I mentioned the difficulty of deciding whether to spend $35 on a PSU for a system that will eventually RRoD and cost 1/3 the price of a 360S for fixing... |
| [21:41:29] | sphery: | the MS support woman recommended just getting a 360S :) |
| [21:42:19] | sphery: | yeah, it is a single chip for cpu/gpu, but depending on mobo/soldering/brackets/manufacturing/whatever-long-list-of-issues-were-to-blame , it may have been that the problem was still possible |
| [21:42:51] | sphery: | I never believed that any of the previous ones (including the Elite) were "fixed"... The S might actually be (but only time will tell :) |
| [21:43:01] | sphery: | all the others were far too similar to the original |
| [21:43:02] | tgm4883: | it may or may not still be possible. I remember reading that with the single die, there is much less heat requiring much less cooling |
| [21:43:12] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [21:43:17] | tgm4883: | and IIRC, the RRoD was primarily caused by motherboard flexing due to heat |
| [21:43:21] | sphery: | and it's possible they've learned how to properly solder, etc |
| [21:43:55] | sphery: | yeah, flexing mobo, bad (low-temp) soldering, overheating, power distribution problems |
| [21:43:57] | extasy: | is it possible somehow to get choose subtitle on .mkv files in the video plugin with 0.23? |
| [21:44:59] | sphery: | I'm actually thinking of pulling my system's mobo, removing the X-brackets (which are suspected of causing/allowing much of the flexing) and using a slightly different means of affixing the mobo to the case--supposed to be more secure and prevent flexing |
| [21:45:26] | sphery: | basically, the approach used http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuIl0kGf7dM&feature=related |
| [21:45:51] | sphery: | extasy: choose subtitle? from multiple possibilities? |
| [21:46:01] | sphery: | or do you mean that it doesn't use the one choice of subtitles you have |
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| [21:48:36] | extasy: | mkv have the same possiblity as a dvd, with the chooice of haveing more then one subtitle built in to the file |
| [21:48:42] | extasy: | and no it's not showing any |
| [21:49:21] | sphery: | well, ttbomk, we only support the use of bitmapped subtitles with mkvs, but I may be way off on that one |
| [21:49:32] | sphery: | so if you have non-bitmapped ones, they wouldn't be used |
| [21:51:56] | wagnerrp: | x brackets? |
| [21:52:08] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen anything used except for the traditional standoff pins |
| [21:52:20] | sphery: | x-shaped metal brackets behind the mobo holding on the heat sinks |
| [21:52:36] | sphery: | that video has a good pic of them |
| [21:52:39] | wagnerrp: | oh, the heatsink mounts |
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| [21:52:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:52:57] | wagnerrp: | so not the bits holding the motherboard to the case |
| [21:53:24] | sphery: | ttbomk, there are no bits holding the mobo to the case |
| [21:53:26] | sphery: | that's the point |
| [21:54:12] | extasy: | sphery, so I guess it wont work, in vlc you have a meny so you can choose subtitle, this menu does not even show, only subtitle on off.. even thou I have configured info to in video show this option. |
| [21:54:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you remove the heatsink mounts (which, themselves, may cause flexing) and then drill out the holes in the steel shell inside the plastic case to allow putting 5mm bolts through the steel case, using some washers for spacing, then using those bolts to hold on the heat sinks |
| [21:55:08] | sphery: | then you actually have your mobo affixed to a semi-rigid base at 8 points helping to hold it securely |
| [21:55:24] | wagnerrp: | extasy: do you have the original bitmapped subs? or did you OCR them to text files? |
| [21:55:29] | sphery: | extasy: yeah, if you don't get options in the MENU menu in MythTV, it means none of your subtitles are usable |
| [21:55:51] | sphery: | extasy: if you re-rip the DVD and use bitmapped subtitles--saving you the effort of OCR'ing them--they'll work |
| [21:56:06] | extasy: | this is a blueray.. |
| [21:56:14] | sphery: | s/DVD/BluRay/ |
| [21:56:15] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:56:18] | wagnerrp: | bluray are the same, bitmapped subs |
| [21:56:33] | extasy: | okej.. but will this feature be supported in mythtv? |
| [21:56:48] | wagnerrp: | when/if someone writes in support |
| [21:57:11] | extasy: | okej.. so enough ppl need to be bothered ;) |
| [21:57:12] | sphery: | but it's a mkv, and we already support bitmapped subs in mkv |
| [21:57:29] | sphery: | so, yes, if you re-rip the blu-ray and use the bitmapped subs, it should work, right? |
| [21:57:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [21:57:34] | wagnerrp: | extasy: more, the right people need to be bothered |
| [21:57:38] | wagnerrp: | and currently they arent |
| [21:57:38] | sphery: | (you know it more than me) |
| [21:58:04] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont know how to get at the subtitles in a bluray/hddvd |
| [21:58:23] | wagnerrp: | the one movie i wanted subs from, i already had an old DVD rip that i just clipped them out of |
| [21:58:26] | sphery: | ah, so the ripping programs (AnyDVD HD or whatever) may not preserve them? |
| [21:58:48] | wagnerrp: | if you do a full ISO or BR folder |
| [21:59:00] | wagnerrp: | the bluray handling in mythtv should be able to use the subtitles just fine |
| [21:59:18] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use the m2ts directly, i dont know how to do that |
| [21:59:37] | wagnerrp: | 'use your finger to spread it'... what??? |
| [21:59:55] | wagnerrp: | you dont want your grimy fingers on that stuff |
| [22:00:06] | wagnerrp: | use a straight edge |
| [22:00:08] | extasy: | okej thanks wagnerrp I will use vlc for this untill the right person gets anoyed ;) |
| [22:00:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, but it's better than leaving a huge pile of it |
| [22:00:27] | wagnerrp: | razor blade, or credit card, or... something better than a finger |
| [22:00:56] | wagnerrp: | extasy: the 'right person' being anyone willing to spend the time to code up support |
| [22:01:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so what do you think? should I do that (minus the re-heating/re-flowing step) to my working console to try to prevent a RRoD? |
| [22:01:29] | extasy: | yes! exactly and when enough ppl are willing to donate for it I guess it will hapened.. |
| [22:01:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not take donations |
| [22:01:51] | extasy: | okej not even individual coders?? |
| [22:02:00] | wagnerrp: | not through mythtv |
| [22:02:06] | extasy: | if you are looking for a function.. |
| [22:02:10] | extasy: | hmm to bad.. |
| [22:02:18] | wagnerrp: | anyone taking a bounty will do so on their own accord |
| [22:02:41] | extasy: | yes that person who is willing to spend his/her time to make the support.. |
| [22:03:32] | wagnerrp: | any bounties should be handled through the unaffiliated mythtv-contractors group... http://groups.google.com/group/mythtv-contractors |
| [22:04:35] | extasy: | okej.. |
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| [22:05:38] | wagnerrp: | extasy: basically, what it boils down to is that all of the mythtv devs either dont care for subtitle support, or are satisfied with the current bitmap support |
| [22:05:57] | wagnerrp: | and no external developers have submitted patches to include mkv text subtitle support |
| [22:06:40] | extasy: | yes I understand that.. |
| [22:06:52] | extasy: | moste are problebly native speaking english.. |
| [22:07:01] | extasy: | and then subtitle are no big deal.. |
| [22:07:48] | sphery: | and a large fraction of those who have previously expressed interest in mkv text subtitles are using stolen videos (or at least questionably-sourced subtitles), which doesn't really motivate the people most likely to be able to write the support |
| [22:08:21] | sphery: | at least with DVD's, you actually had to work harder to get non-bitmapped subtitles if you actually own and rip the disc yourself |
| [22:08:28] | sphery: | I don't know how BluRay works, though |
| [22:09:22] | sphery: | so most of the people using text subtitles with DVDs were using the ones distributed by whatever thief stole and uploaded the video to the 'net (since there's no real reason to OCR the bitmaps for personal use) |
| [22:09:42] | sphery: | at least, that was my understanding |
| [22:09:46] | wagnerrp: | masochism |
| [22:09:56] | wagnerrp: | some people like that sort of thing |
| [22:10:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:10:39] | extasy: | I think it |
| [22:10:41] | sphery: | I will admit that some people do a lot of very time-consuming, tedious, and useless things just "because it's obviously better" |
| [22:10:43] | wagnerrp: | ive seen a single legitimate use for them |
| [22:10:46] | extasy: | neat to have it just like a dvd |
| [22:10:49] | extasy: | everything in one file |
| [22:11:06] | wagnerrp: | someone was complaining about the existing bitmaps being of a bad, poorly readable font |
| [22:11:30] | wagnerrp: | extasy: and you can do that, by muxing the bitmapped subtitle stream into the mkv |
| [22:11:34] | sphery: | i.e. like digital is always better than analog and a 720x480-rendered screen is best for S-Video output |
| [22:11:53] | sphery: | (even though they have no clue how the inner workings of their equipment changes their "perfect" plan) |
| [22:12:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and it seems that AnyDVD HD is talking up the ability to edit bitmapped subtitle images |
| [22:12:35] | extasy: | okej.. I will look in to that.. Will need to get better on ripping them.. I just did a test this time... and saw it worked flawlessly in vlc but not in myth |
| [22:12:37] | extasy: | so i came in to ask |
| [22:12:45] | wagnerrp: | http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-82986.html |
| [22:13:14] | wagnerrp: | looks like you just pull the subtitles out of the IFO file, and add them directly into the mkv |
| [22:13:19] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt take more than 30 seconds |
| [22:13:34] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the 30+ minutes needed to train and run the OCR software on a full length movie |
| [22:13:59] | wagnerrp: | that was painful, the first (and last) time i ever tried that |
| [22:14:02] | extasy: | I'll se if it works as well on blueray |
| [22:14:22] | wagnerrp: | bluray has a different internal structure, those directions wont work |
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| [22:14:37] | extasy: | yea that was my thaughts to.. |
| [22:14:51] | extasy: | dvd is no problem.. |
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| [22:15:19] | extasy: | but untill someone wants to make the support I'll settle for vlc showing blueray mkv:s |
| [22:16:15] | sphery: | extasy: note, also, that MythTV 0.24 will have support for BluRay file structures |
| [22:16:23] | sphery: | i.e. you won't need to make them into mkv's |
| [22:16:39] | sphery: | bdmv? something like that |
| [22:17:01] | extasy: | and then they will they support stock subs |
| [22:17:09] | extasy: | or do they need to be changes somehow? |
| [22:17:23] | sphery: | I think it will support stock subs |
| [22:17:34] | extasy: | okej sounds good! |
| [22:17:40] | sphery: | I don't have a BluRay drive, though, so I haven't tested it |
| [22:18:06] | sphery: | but I'd be willing to bet that it works fine--it's just putting it into MKV that's messing things up |
| [22:18:38] | extasy: | problebly.. |
| [22:18:46] | skd5aner: | kormoc: you there? |
| [22:18:49] | extasy: | well thanks for the support, looking forward to 0.24 |
| [22:18:59] | extasy: | with some luck the mkv might work then to with the subs ;) |
| [22:19:30] | sphery: | or, if not, you can just rip it to a bdmv at that point |
| [22:20:00] | kormoc: | skd5aner, yes, but not overly paying attention |
| [22:20:40] | ** justinh waves good riddance to er.. google wave ** | |
| [22:20:49] | extasy: | yes! I just love having everything on the computer.. today my wife threw all our dvd:s and cd:s out... we havent been using them for 2 years.. everything is ripped.. think it was a good 50 kg of plastic going to the dump ;) |
| [22:21:14] | sphery: | skd5aner: if you sneak the words "Jewel" and "Staite" into your comment, he might start paying attention |
| [22:21:25] | justinh: | er.. not keepinb the hard copy at all.... is that really a good idea? |
| [22:21:32] | skd5aner: | kormoc: no problem, wasn't sure if you saw my (late) response yesterday to the trac subscribtion discussion or not? |
| [22:21:46] | justinh: | *keeping*... my typing sucks lately |
| [22:21:49] | extasy: | justinh, it's also backed up on the nas |
| [22:22:23] | sphery: | extasy: he means in the event you need to re-rip it to a different format--i.e. a bdmv structure |
| [22:22:52] | sphery: | at least that's what I took it to mean |
| [22:23:10] | skd5aner: | kormoc: folks that don't have logins (aka, non-devs) don't have the ability to edit the cc field, so they can't subscribe to receive emails any other way than either be the creator of the ticket or leave a comment |
| [22:23:19] | extasy: | well we are keeping the blueray |
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| [22:23:40] | skd5aner: | kormoc: which "pinging" a ticket solely to subscribe is definitely frowned upon |
| [22:23:41] | extasy: | only the dvd:s and cd:s are thrown out |
| [22:24:16] | extasy: | old tech is replaced with a hdd :) easy to view with no hassle.. |
| [22:24:25] | sphery: | skd5aner: heh, you're right |
| [22:24:46] | sphery: | extasy: yeah, that's probably not too big a deal |
| [22:25:00] | sphery: | I'd keep the BluRays around for a while, at least, though |
| [22:25:14] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, it's kind of a bummer... but I bring it up because Kormoc was mentioning that people could subscribe for email alerts, but that's not actually the case unfortunately |
| [22:25:45] | skd5aner: | anyway, dinner is on the table – be back later |
| [22:26:13] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: for what its worth, even with a login, you still 'ping' the ticket when editing the cc field |
| [22:26:24] | sphery: | that's true, too |
| [22:26:39] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Are you now a papa? |
| [22:26:41] | extasy: | sphery, while I have your attention.. I remeber back in 0.20, 0.21 0.22 it was possible to configure the epg menu so you could choose how many channels to display and how many hours to show.. is this removed?? |
| [22:26:41] | sphery: | You know, I think Trac works fine for a project when there aren't that many tickets |
| [22:26:45] | extasy: | I cant find it anyway |
| [22:26:45] | sphery: | but I think we may have outgrown it |
| [22:26:47] | justinh: | iamlindoro: yup :D |
| [22:26:51] | iamlindoro: | congrats! |
| [22:26:52] | extasy: | anywhere |
| [22:26:52] | sphery: | Jira is looking better and better |
| [22:27:16] | justinh: | wife & son are still in hosp – wife being observed. it got a bit complicated |
| [22:27:32] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Hope that everyone is well, complications aside |
| [22:27:49] | iamlindoro: | or at least, will be |
| [22:27:52] | justinh: | yeh apart from that little aspect all is well |
| [22:28:14] | sphery: | Heh, where's NuppelVideoPlayer? My patch is all upset at me... Oh, yeah--it's properly named, now. |
| [22:28:22] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [22:28:30] | iamlindoro: | MythTv is totally based on m(yth)player! |
| [22:28:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:28:39] | iamlindoro: | just like all the new users have always told us |
| [22:28:42] | extasy: | congrats justinh nothing smells as good as a newborn baby.... |
| [22:28:45] | justinh: | I've seen stuff no man should ever see. Felt a bit traumatised yesterday – the lack of sleep didn't help any |
| [22:28:57] | sphery: | yeah, lets shorten that name since "y" is hard to type... let's just call it MPlayer |
| [22:29:33] | sphery: | justinh: you have gotten some more sleep, right? |
| [22:29:36] | justinh: | 90 mins sleep in 36 hours.. went in on saturday to be induced – bugger all happened for nigh on 4 straight days. they were playing it totally cool |
| [22:30:06] | iamlindoro: | Yikes-- I worry about a guy on the users list who claims to be trying to shoehorn myth into his employers box, but has no idea what a "permissions problem" is |
| [22:30:06] | justinh: | yeah, slept really well last night at last. had half a glass of beer & it knocked me right out lol |
| [22:30:11] | sphery: | good |
| [22:30:13] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like a piece of hardware I want to own right there |
| [22:30:32] | justinh: | woke up at 3.30am & I swear I was hallucinating |
| [22:30:37] | sphery: | You mentioned getting a little bit after the birth, but you need to keep your strength up, so you'll need to get what you can |
| [22:31:00] | sphery: | anyway, congratulations, again, and best wishes to the wife and son |
| [22:31:04] | justinh: | yeah I won't be long. feel ok.. I never get anything like 8 hours anyway |
| [22:31:11] | justinh: | cheers :-) |
| [22:32:00] | justinh: | by all accounts son is a bit of a night owl anyway. born at 4.01am, wakes up wanting fed at 4am |
| [22:32:31] | sphery: | wait, is iamlindoro a secondary or a tertiary? And is kormoc becoming a quaternary or voting for iamlindoro to be a secondary? And if the latter would that make Beirdo a tertiary? |
| [22:32:35] | sphery: | I'm all confused |
| [22:32:41] | ** iamlindoro is a bestiary ** | |
| [22:32:51] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:32:53] | justinh: | wondre if I can code, feed & burp at the same time |
| [22:33:00] | kormoc: | skd5aner, ahh, fair 'nuff. my login defiantly colored my viewpoint |
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| [22:33:59] | extasy: | sphery, you outgrown the possibility to change the epg? |
| [22:34:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: You've tried the best. Now try the rest. |
| [22:34:22] | sphery: | extasy: change it how? |
| [22:34:40] | extasy: | <extasy> sphery, while I have your attention.. I remeber back in 0.20, 0.21 0.22 it was possible to configure the epg menu so you could choose how many channels to display and how many hours to show.. is this removed?? |
| [22:34:57] | sphery: | extasy: ah, sorry, I missed that question |
| [22:34:57] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not removed, it's just the responsibility of the themer |
| [22:35:03] | iamlindoro: | ie, it's not a setting |
| [22:35:05] | sphery: | exactly |
| [22:35:18] | extasy: | so is it a part of the theme? |
| [22:35:21] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [22:35:22] | sphery: | (straight from the horse's mouth--where he's a theming horse) |
| [22:35:42] | iamlindoro: | neigh, I'm not |
| [22:35:47] | extasy: | so it can not be customized anymore.. |
| [22:35:51] | iamlindoro: | yes. It can |
| [22:35:55] | wagnerrp: | you can edit the theme |
| [22:35:56] | iamlindoro: | By the themer |
| [22:35:57] | justinh: | it can be customised. by the themer |
| [22:35:58] | extasy: | cause the theme I'm using now only have 30 min in epg |
| [22:36:01] | wagnerrp: | you can choose a different theme |
| [22:36:20] | iamlindoro: | Only one theme has one timeslot in the EPg, and that's only in livetv |
| [22:36:21] | justinh: | and I'm ****ed if I'm gonna try to walk through adapting the xml to change it! |
| [22:36:24] | justinh: | again |
| [22:36:33] | extasy: | iamlindoro, I only use livetv |
| [22:36:45] | iamlindoro: | Then you are definitely using the wrong project |
| [22:36:49] | justinh: | what is this 'livetv' ? |
| [22:36:58] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is most definitely not the right tool for the job |
| [22:37:06] | justinh: | is that the thing my mother & father used to use before they got a VCR? |
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| [22:37:10] | sphery: | one day we'll teach extasy to use a PVR properly... |
| [22:37:20] | extasy: | I have been using mythtv since v0.17 |
| [22:37:28] | sphery: | Once you reach that staight of PVR awareness, you can achieve true extasy |
| [22:37:36] | sphery: | state |
| [22:37:38] | extasy: | and is using livetv 95% |
| [22:37:49] | iamlindoro: | Then you have been using the wrong tool for years |
| [22:37:54] | justinh: | I really love when people ask me if I've seen such & such an advert. Oh boy. The face I pull, and their reaction to that.. it's priceless |
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| [22:38:09] | extasy: | it has been working very well for me... but I know your not focusing on live tv ;) |
| [22:38:13] | sphery: | justinh: sometimes I hear adverts |
| [22:38:18] | sphery: | (when I go for a snack break) |
| [22:38:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:38:32] | sphery: | it serves as my "get back to the show deadline" |
| [22:39:05] | sphery: | and, really, when watching at 1.75x, you have to make a strategic snack run to get back in time |
| [22:39:10] | wagnerrp: | you just need to put a frontend in the kitchen |
| [22:39:28] | sphery: | and use a bluetooth fob to auto-move my session? |
| [22:39:33] | wagnerrp: | and port the 'session follows user' stuff over from linuxmce |
| [22:39:38] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [22:40:08] | extasy: | I only use pvr to record shows for my kids... |
| [22:40:19] | extasy: | like dora the explorer and square bob.. |
| [22:40:19] | justinh: | imagine a tivo in a few years time.. "now with SmartChair(tm) interface to allow you to watch DirecTV via your TiVo!".. plugs into a chair with manacles in the arms to stop you leaving the room when ads come on |
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| [22:40:44] | sphery: | justinh: heh |
| [22:40:55] | extasy: | justinh, sounds like the future.. |
| [22:41:02] | sphery: | have you seen the YouTube LeanBack? |
| [22:41:14] | justinh: | yeah I tried it once. it sucked |
| [22:41:19] | sphery: | "YouTube for people who find clicking links to be too difficult" |
| [22:41:20] | iamlindoro: | I used to have a LeanBack |
| [22:41:27] | iamlindoro: | then I had all those pizzas |
| [22:41:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:41:35] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:42:04] | justinh: | I think it's bedtime or I won't get up in time to be at the door at the start of daddy visiting hours |
| [22:42:17] | justinh: | night all |
| [22:43:06] | sphery: | extasy: FWIW, my idea of using a PVR is to have it record everything I might possibly ever choose to watch. That way, I always have something recorded that's better than anything airing. (Even when my favorite shows air, the recordings are better because they allow me to skip commercials and play back at faster than real-time, so I just wait until it's at least 1/3 of the way through the broadcast before watching it.) |
| [22:43:50] | sphery: | Currently I have 1354 recordings, which means I can go without watching commercials for a /long/ time. |
| [22:44:00] | sphery: | (all unwatched recordings, too--I watch and delete) |
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| [23:04:38] | Beirdo: | mythpodcaster?!!! |
| [23:04:40] | Beirdo: | WTh? |
| [23:04:49] | Beirdo: | and it's JAVA?! |
| [23:05:18] | Beirdo: | I dunno, but that sounds like something I don't want to have associated with mythtv |
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| [23:21:48] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [23:21:50] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [23:22:00] | Beirdo: | more caffeine is in order, I think |
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| [23:35:00] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I don't think that guy knows what "top posting" means. |
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| [23:45:32] | Beirdo: | don't make me top post! |
| [23:45:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
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