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| [01:21:03] | PennStateJoe74: | hey folks, i seem to be having some database problems. i can not connect backend or frontend. when i run backend config it just immediately quits. |
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| [01:22:16] | PennStateJoe74: | i think its an issue with mysql |
| [01:22:30] | PennStateJoe74: | i just don't know where to start to trouble shoot |
| [01:25:17] | tank-man: | what does the error message say? |
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| [01:27:13] | PennStateJoe74: | i don't get one. when i open mythtv backend setup it asks me is it okay to shut down backend and then i say yes, then it flashes for a second and then i get the 'do you want to run myth fill db' box, as if it just immediately quits |
| [01:27:21] | PennStateJoe74: | be back in 20 minutes... |
| [01:27:47] | lwizardl: | hello |
| [01:28:00] | abqjp: | Did storagegroup support for ISOs ever get added? |
| [01:28:36] | sphery: | no, still don't have a way to make it work with libdvd* |
| [01:28:37] | lwizardl: | I was wondering if anyone here knows what type of hardware system I am going to need for playing pure bluray disc backups (disc dumpped to HDD for playback) |
| [01:29:02] | sphery: | I think iamlindoro made the most progress, so far, but don't know how far he got |
| [01:32:29] | abqjp: | sphery: thanks. |
| [01:35:42] | ctmjr: | lwizardl, start here http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-pcs-laptops- . . . -movies.html |
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| [01:41:05] | lwizardl: | ok I might be ok with my system then |
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| [01:51:11] | lwizardl: | I have a AMD 64 blackbox 5000+ cpu, 512MB nvidia video card, and 3GB ram |
| [01:51:54] | wagnerrp: | not fast enough |
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| [01:52:54] | sphery: | I'm guessing that blu-ray.com page is assuming Windows? |
| [01:53:41] | sphery: | definitely, based on the proc's they're recommending |
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| [01:54:21] | lwizardl: | You need to upgrade your processor. You should use an Intel Core 2 Duo or above (for guranteed smooth playback) or a AMD dual core processor (4000 and above). I would also go with a PCI-E video card (although I have played HD back on an AGP card before). If you must stay with a AGP interface I would upgrade the card to a HD2400. |
| [01:54:38] | sphery: | yeah, with that advice, you also need to use Windows |
| [01:54:53] | lwizardl: | wel my proc is a 5000 series, and my video card is PCI-e based |
| [01:54:56] | reisio: | rilneed to use Windows for what? |
| [01:55:20] | sphery: | for making such low-spec'ed processors decode Blu-Ray in real time |
| [01:55:31] | reisio: | ewww, real-time |
| [01:55:38] | reisio: | copy first, then play |
| [01:55:41] | reisio: | spare your poor drive |
| [01:55:57] | lwizardl: | I plan to dump the discs to my hdd for playback |
| [01:55:58] | sphery: | if you have a VDPAU-compatible video card, you might be able to make the Athlon X2 5000+ system work |
| [01:55:59] | reisio: | also avoid noise during film |
| [01:56:02] | reisio: | lwizardl: good man |
| [01:56:07] | sphery: | "real time" means not a slideshow |
| [01:56:20] | reisio: | oh okay |
| [01:56:32] | reisio: | or you could re-encode |
| [01:56:36] | sphery: | true |
| [01:56:46] | reisio: | and still have an enormous high quality better-than-DVD quality video |
| [01:56:52] | sphery: | but you either need VDPAU or a better processor to decode Blu-Ray on GNU/Linux |
| [01:56:55] | reisio: | PITA, but :p |
| [01:57:15] | reisio: | who can even live without vdpau |
| [01:57:25] | reisio: | I would cry myself to sleep every night |
| [01:57:35] | sphery: | and, chances are you'll have to use something besides GNU/Linux to rip your backup, anyway, as you won't be able to do much in the way of decrypting Blu-Ray on GNU/Linux |
| [01:57:36] | lwizardl: | vdpau ? |
| [01:57:45] | reisio: | lwizardl: offloading work to the GPU |
| [01:57:51] | lwizardl: | ah i see |
| [01:58:09] | lwizardl: | well I already have the files ripped to my hdd |
| [01:58:10] | sphery: | s/.*/relying on nvidia to provide all the software you need to decode your videos/ :) |
| [01:58:21] | reisio: | you can decrypt them, it's just a pain ATM |
| [01:58:22] | sphery: | i.e. it works for what they make it work for and you can't change it |
| [01:58:29] | reisio: | lwizardl: oh you cheater you |
| [01:58:31] | sphery: | so imho, you should have a good processor /and/ vdpau |
| [01:58:53] | sphery: | reisio: TTBOMK, you can only decrypt old ones |
| [01:58:57] | sphery: | newer ones you can't |
| [01:59:01] | ** reisio shrugs ** | |
| [01:59:20] | reisio: | they'll crack it eventually |
| [01:59:27] | ctmjr: | sure you can just going to cost you |
| [01:59:37] | sphery: | or you can get a $100 set-top blu-ray player and play them back today :) |
| [01:59:52] | reisio: | I live in the 21st century |
| [01:59:54] | sphery: | and not have to commit a federal felony offense to watch a show you bought |
| [02:00:00] | reisio: | where videos belong as files |
| [02:00:10] | reisio: | not discs what you pop in 'n' out |
| [02:00:17] | lwizardl: | sphery, yeah but with kids you want them to handle discs as little as humanly possable |
| [02:00:21] | reisio: | sphery: that's debatable |
| [02:00:35] | sphery: | read the dmca |
| [02:00:38] | reisio: | lwizardl: also with non-kids |
| [02:00:42] | sphery: | it's not debatable--federal felony offense |
| [02:00:42] | reisio: | lwizardl: also yourself :p |
| [02:00:49] | reisio: | the DMCA is unconstitutional |
| [02:00:52] | reisio: | so... |
| [02:00:53] | reisio: | heh |
| [02:00:54] | sphery: | whether they're going to prosecute you is an entirely separate question |
| [02:01:06] | sphery: | thank you Chief Justice reisio for your esteemed opinion |
| [02:01:10] | reisio: | any time |
| [02:01:15] | lwizardl: | well the DMCA does allow for protection of the original, |
| [02:01:15] | sphery: | I can't wait until your court submits its ruling |
| [02:01:20] | reisio: | I can't either |
| [02:01:23] | reisio: | that'll be way amusing |
| [02:01:42] | sphery: | anyway, chances are you will need more than GNU/Linux to do it |
| [02:01:45] | reisio: | you're allowed to copy things you own in the USA, that's all there is to it |
| [02:01:49] | sphery: | a STB does it |
| [02:01:54] | iamlindoro: | reisio, sphery is being amusing, but in this channel at least that kind of opinion is offlimits |
| [02:01:55] | reisio: | I'm not saying you won't get into trouble or sued or arrested, etc. |
| [02:02:01] | iamlindoro: | so please drop the topic or risk a kick/ban |
| [02:02:02] | reisio: | (I mean you won't, but I'm not saying that... or am I? :p) |
| [02:02:16] | reisio: | iamlindoro: ...which kind of opinion? |
| [02:02:32] | iamlindoro: | reisio, any discussion of copyright or encryption circumvention |
| [02:02:37] | sphery: | but you'll need more than an Athlon X2 5000+ to do it in GNU/Linux |
| [02:02:40] | iamlindoro: | is against the channel rules, link in channel topic |
| [02:02:45] | reisio: | oh, I wasn't discussing encryption circumvention |
| [02:02:51] | reisio: | I was talking about copying data you own |
| [02:02:55] | lwizardl: | hehe I could technically get in trouble for some of my officially released dvds. Since i import dvds from Japan |
| [02:02:56] | sphery: | so start looking at VDPAU or a new CPU |
| [02:03:03] | iamlindoro: | reisio, last warning, not interested in a semantic argument |
| [02:03:04] | reisio: | lwizardl: you importer |
| [02:03:14] | reisio: | me either |
| [02:03:14] | ** iamlindoro is the mean channel op ** | |
| [02:03:31] | reisio: | well, nobody was having a semantic argument until you started one :p |
| [02:03:32] | sphery: | reisio: I'm pretty sure you don't own Avatar--even James Cameron doesn't own it |
| [02:03:35] | iamlindoro: | reisio, one more word on the topci and you are banned. Thanks for your understanding. |
| [02:03:41] | reisio: | sphery: nor would I want to, heheh |
| [02:03:45] | sphery: | You own the disc you purchased and a license to view it on certain licensed equipment |
| [02:03:45] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, I was asking about playing bluray dumpped discs using mythtv so I would be the starter of the current chat |
| [02:03:58] | reisio: | iamlindoro: haven't talked about it in a whole buffer |
| [02:04:01] | sphery: | but, anyway, VDPAU or better CPU |
| [02:04:10] | reisio: | vdpau is good |
| [02:04:24] | sphery: | and, yes, VDPAU is a good option |
| [02:04:32] | reisio: | is there another option? hrmmm |
| [02:04:34] | sphery: | and at least with an X2 5000+, it's only required for some content |
| [02:04:39] | reisio: | vaapi? |
| [02:04:39] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, And I haven't seen you violate any rules yet, but if you'd like to make a confession, banning one person is as easy as two |
| [02:04:41] | lwizardl: | sphery, yes but see most discs have a screen saying for use only in "blah" region etc. which I am not in |
| [02:04:44] | sphery: | software decode is another option :) |
| [02:04:47] | sphery: | i.e have a good CPU |
| [02:04:57] | reisio: | I've no idea what ati guys do |
| [02:05:02] | reisio: | not had such a card |
| [02:05:14] | sphery: | lwizardl: and we don't want to know about what regions your DVDs like |
| [02:07:34] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, no I ask anything about how to copy it etc. I was just asking about what kind of system specs I would need for playing bluray discs that have been dumped to the hdd for playback |
| [02:07:42] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, Then you are fine |
| [02:07:55] | lwizardl: | cool |
| [02:08:05] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: expect a /very/ high end dual core |
| [02:08:19] | wagnerrp: | or something tri/quad core |
| [02:08:22] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, So let me handle the people who *do* break our rules without interference, k? :) |
| [02:08:24] | sphery: | or VDPAU or--best--some combination of both |
| [02:08:38] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, I figured it would have to be a beefy cpu to handle it. and just wasn't sure if my current cpu could do the job |
| [02:09:04] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, not a problem man, just was saying the starter of any blueray chat was me |
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| [02:10:16] | moldovean: | lwizardl, playstation 3 not enough for ? |
| [02:10:21] | Wicked: | lwizardl, if you plan on always having a nvidia based vid card...vdpau can do all the hardwork and the rest of the system to do everything else. |
| [02:10:39] | Wicked: | meaning the rest of the system does not need to be beefy |
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| [02:11:00] | lwizardl: | Wicked, yeah I have hated ATI cards since the 8500DV card i bought and had many issues with |
| [02:11:55] | lwizardl: | Wicked, how can i find out if my system supports VDPAU |
| [02:11:57] | Wicked: | well...nvidia offers vdpau...which lets you offload video decoding on that...something like a gtx220 will let you do it all....and then you can skimp on the rest of the system |
| [02:12:05] | Wicked: | is it nvidia based? |
| [02:12:07] | lwizardl: | moldovean, nope i sold my ps3 for lack of use |
| [02:12:18] | moldovean: | heh , ok |
| [02:12:18] | Wicked: | if so what model video card? |
| [02:12:19] | lwizardl: | Wicked, yes both mobo and video card |
| [02:12:28] | lwizardl: | 7200GS |
| [02:12:58] | Wicked: | i dont think the 7xxx is vdpau compatible |
| [02:13:20] | [R]: | only 8000 and up |
| [02:13:34] | Wicked: | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html |
| [02:14:18] | lwizardl: | I'm not against buying a new video card this one only cost me $25 from newegg like a year ago |
| [02:14:38] | Wicked: | iirc the 220 is cheap and offers everything vdpau can offer |
| [02:14:47] | Wicked: | while some cards only offer some of the features |
| [02:14:57] | Wicked: | but would def check before buying |
| [02:15:14] | wagnerrp: | but if youre looking for bluray playback, a cheap 8400 is just as good |
| [02:15:46] | lwizardl: | yeah |
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| [02:20:14] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . Feature_Sets + scroll up for list of cards |
| [02:24:26] | lwizardl: | thank you sphery |
| [02:26:43] | reisio: | so is C the best? |
| [02:27:01] | wagnerrp: | one is a superset of the next |
| [02:27:47] | reisio: | I guess it does nearly all of MPEG-4, while B only does h.264 |
| [02:27:59] | reisio: | I'm pretty happy with my "B" :p |
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| [02:34:00] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: you around? |
| [02:34:11] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [02:34:30] | ekristen: | question about the python bindings again |
| [02:34:40] | ekristen: | the autodiscovery via upnp |
| [02:34:57] | ekristen: | didn't you say that it doesn't work if the pin is set to the default? |
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| [02:35:12] | ekristen: | 0000 that is? |
| [02:35:13] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt work if the pin is empty |
| [02:35:23] | wagnerrp: | the backend wont broadcast itself if the pin is empty |
| [02:35:28] | wagnerrp: | but 0000 works just fine |
| [02:35:37] | ekristen: | gotcha, is there a pin set by default? |
| [02:35:45] | ekristen: | when myth is installed? |
| [02:36:09] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i dont recall |
| [02:36:21] | ekristen: | np |
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| [02:36:52] | wagnerrp: | also, note that you can only have a single UPnP capable program active on a computer |
| [02:37:03] | wagnerrp: | so if your backend is running a upnp server |
| [02:37:20] | wagnerrp: | your frontend (or the python/perl bindings) cannot detect it on that local machine |
| [02:37:34] | wagnerrp: | it will not be able to bind to the proper port to receive the necessary replies |
| [02:38:09] | ekristen: | I understand |
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| [02:38:48] | wagnerrp: | on the opposite side, if the server is running locally, youve got other options |
| [02:39:17] | wagnerrp: | you can root around for the config.xml manually |
| [02:39:38] | wagnerrp: | or you can hit the mythxml server manually, assuming its running on the default port |
| [02:41:26] | wagnerrp: | XMLConnection('127.0.0.1',6544).getConnectionInfo(pin) would give you a dictionary that you could feed back into MythDB() |
| [02:42:52] | lwizardl: | off topic: anyone ever remove a cmos battery from an acer aspire 5335 laptop ? |
| [02:43:13] | wagnerrp: | should be no different from removing such a battery from any other system |
| [02:43:27] | wagnerrp: | open it up, pull the battery, replace, reset any CMOS settings |
| [02:44:07] | lwizardl: | yeah just case around battery is weird |
| [02:44:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you might have some sort of shrinkwrap housing and wire lead |
| [02:44:44] | wagnerrp: | just tear it off, solder onto the new battery |
| [02:44:58] | wagnerrp: | and either shrink wrap, or wrap in electrical tape |
| [02:46:32] | lwizardl: | nah this was a small yellowish holder but it kinda broke in a spot |
| [02:46:44] | lwizardl: | i hope electrical tape will work on it hehe |
| [02:47:37] | PennStateJoe74: | so back at 9;30 i was asking for some help on what i think is a problem with connecting to the myth database |
| [02:47:48] | PennStateJoe74: | i had to run out and help my wife, and just now coming back. |
| [02:48:14] | PennStateJoe74: | my symptom is... when i open mythtv backend setup it asks me is it okay to shut down backend (like normal) and then i say yes, then it flashes for a second and then i get the 'do you want to run myth fill db' box, as if it just immediately quits |
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| [02:56:42] | sphery: | PennStateJoe74: have you tried running mythtv-setup from a terminal without the wrapper scripts |
| [02:56:50] | sphery: | i.e. like a mythtv-setup.real or whatever |
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| [03:02:59] | PennStateJoe74: | ok i just tried that |
| [03:03:11] | PennStateJoe74: | same end result, but now i have some output |
| [03:03:46] | PennStateJoe74: | it ended with 'Segmentation fault' |
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| [03:04:59] | sphery: | PennStateJoe74: any chance you can do a backtrace as described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [03:05:16] | sphery: | i.e. with debug symbols |
| [03:07:00] | PennStateJoe74: | sure, i'll try it now |
| [03:15:10] | PennStateJoe74: | i'm having a problem installing the key for the repository like in step 3 near the bottom |
| [03:15:17] | PennStateJoe74: | i get error... gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/joe/.gnupg/gpg.conf' |
| [03:15:17] | PennStateJoe74: | gpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions |
| [03:15:17] | PennStateJoe74: | gpg: keyserver communications error: general error |
| [03:15:17] | PennStateJoe74: | gpg: keyserver receive failed: general error |
| [03:16:12] | PennStateJoe74: | that is in response to the command |
| [03:16:14] | PennStateJoe74: | gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 428D7C01 5E0577F2 |
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| [03:20:26] | sphery: | that means that either ~/.gnupg or ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf has invalid permissions |
| [03:21:14] | sphery: | PennStateJoe74: chmod 700 ~/.gnupg && chmod 600 ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| [03:21:48] | sphery: | woah, my 780GB have copied! |
| [03:21:56] | sphery: | not to reformat the HDD and copy them back |
| [03:23:52] | sphery: | er, almost done |
| [03:24:12] | PennStateJoe74: | awesome that worked |
| [03:24:13] | sphery: | recorded a show to the disk I'm trying to empty while copying other stuff off it |
| [03:24:21] | PennStateJoe74: | okay, i'm about to execute |
| [03:24:21] | PennStateJoe74: | sudo apport-retrace --auth -v BUGNUMBER |
| [03:25:16] | PennStateJoe74: | ERROR: "BUGNUMBER" is neither an existing report file nor a crash ID |
| [03:25:19] | PennStateJoe74: | oops... |
| [03:25:25] | PennStateJoe74: | what did i do wrong |
| [03:26:02] | Beirdo: | What the heck is apport-retrace? |
| [03:26:44] | Beirdo: | certainly not part of mythtv I've heard of |
| [03:28:12] | sphery: | *buntu's version of Dr Watson :) |
| [03:29:18] | sphery: | PennStateJoe74: BUGNUMBER is supposed to be replaced with the number of a bug from launchpad |
| [03:29:23] | PennStateJoe74: | i think i misread the first section and missed steps 2, 3, 4 |
| [03:29:32] | sphery: | I don't know how you use apport if you don't file a bug |
| [03:29:58] | PennStateJoe74: | BUT when i did them, i then executed opened mythbaackend setup and it didn't crash |
| [03:29:58] | sphery: | yeah, looks like you need to do the basic backtrace first |
| [03:30:10] | sphery: | then, you can do the advanced stuff for re-running against the same bug |
| [03:30:23] | PennStateJoe74: | so i think when i ran 'sudo apt-get update' it may have fixed my problem |
| [03:30:30] | sphery: | yeah, it sounds like it |
| [03:30:41] | sphery: | maybe there were library issues or something |
| [03:30:43] | PennStateJoe74: | because there were about 7 updates and a bunch were about x |
| [03:30:47] | sphery: | and it smoothed them out |
| [03:30:55] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:30:57] | PennStateJoe74: | x11 |
| [03:31:00] | sphery: | well glad it's working |
| [03:31:08] | sphery: | you can likely remove the dbg packages, now |
| [03:31:32] | PennStateJoe74: | cool |
| [03:31:53] | Beirdo: | sphery: Ah. I see. |
| [03:31:57] | PennStateJoe74: | and you fixed my permissions issue with installing public keys which has been a problem for a while |
| [03:32:06] | sphery: | heh, cool |
| [03:32:09] | sphery: | glad to be of service |
| [03:32:14] | ** Beirdo frowns at his HDPVR ** | |
| [03:32:26] | sphery: | bad hdpvr, bad! |
| [03:32:37] | Beirdo: | I THOUGHT I had successfully added pulling the framerate from the H.264 headers |
| [03:32:49] | Beirdo: | but now it seems it's not right anymore and I didn't change it!?@ |
| [03:33:00] | wagnerrp: | to mythtv? or perl? |
| [03:33:05] | Beirdo: | to mythtv |
| [03:33:19] | Beirdo: | right as is records (when it pulls out the resolution) |
| [03:33:20] | wagnerrp: | you mean just to put it into the markup table |
| [03:33:24] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [03:33:39] | Beirdo: | I take the framerate info from the H.264 headers |
| [03:34:03] | Beirdo: | but... it worked on a recording or two, and now is giving bogus numbers |
| [03:34:10] | Beirdo: | and I'm not sure what I did :) |
| [03:34:25] | Beirdo: | so put in more logging, and have to wait for this recording to finish |
| [03:35:26] | Beirdo: | all this so I can properly calculate time from frame number so UPnP can work right with commercial skipping |
| [03:35:34] | Beirdo: | which is nearly there |
| [03:35:43] | sphery: | I only have x264 headers on my system |
| [03:35:46] | sphery: | :D |
| [03:35:48] | Beirdo: | taken a complete rewrite of part of that patch |
| [03:36:09] | Beirdo: | I mean H.264 stream headers... like pulling it outta the stream directly |
| [03:36:20] | sphery: | yeah, I'm stuck waiting on a recording to finish, myself |
| [03:36:35] | Beirdo: | Memphis Beat here |
| [03:36:44] | sphery: | been copying everything off my 2TB HDD so I can reformat it properly since it lied to my OS |
| [03:36:57] | sphery: | stupid lying HDD |
| [03:37:00] | Beirdo: | it is WD... they are known liars :) |
| [03:37:05] | sphery: | exactly! |
| [03:37:16] | Beirdo: | back in the days of the Caviar 1.6G or so... |
| [03:37:27] | sphery: | It's a 4KiB wolf in 512B sheep's clothing |
| [03:37:33] | Beirdo: | they lied on CRC checks, saying things were OK having not even calculated CRC |
| [03:37:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:37:44] | Beirdo: | the Linux kernel guys caught them on that one |
| [03:38:00] | sphery: | this is a "transitional 512B sector emulation" thing it's doing |
| [03:38:01] | Beirdo: | it would happily corrupt your data and say it was fine |
| [03:38:09] | Beirdo: | transition THIS |
| [03:38:12] | wagnerrp: | sounds indian |
| [03:38:14] | sphery: | first HDD I've had where it didn't just automatically do the right thing |
| [03:38:16] | Beirdo: | do it right, or go home |
| [03:38:45] | sphery: | how important is CRC, anyway? |
| [03:38:45] | wagnerrp: | my dad always complains about negotiating with indians |
| [03:38:49] | Beirdo: | very |
| [03:38:57] | Beirdo: | very very important |
| [03:39:01] | sphery: | only if you want your data integrity |
| [03:39:06] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:39:07] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:39:09] | wagnerrp: | the building could be burning down around them and 'everythings fine, everythings on schedule, nothing to see here' |
| [03:39:58] | Beirdo: | I feel like flinging things |
| [03:40:14] | wagnerrp: | ever had a car with a heavy governor? |
| [03:40:42] | Beirdo: | 2010-07–30 20:10:18.636 UpnpCDSTv::AddItem() – Id "RecTv/1/key=1264@2010-07–30 1 |
| [03:40:45] | Beirdo: | 8:00:00/item?ChanId=1264&StartTime=2010-07–30T18:00:00&tra ck=1" start=0 |
| [03:40:48] | Beirdo: | end=652 size=149550428 |
| [03:40:55] | Beirdo: | stupid paste, that's ONE line |
| [03:41:09] | Beirdo: | start=65 |
| [03:41:09] | Beirdo: | 2 end=1359 size=161382208 |
| [03:41:19] | Beirdo: | as is that |
| [03:41:33] | wagnerrp: | i was driving a solstice earlier today |
| [03:41:36] | Beirdo: | so the splitting and time->offset is all correct |
| [03:41:42] | wagnerrp: | fun car, like an overgrown go-cart |
| [03:41:49] | Beirdo: | BUT the framerate's wrong |
| [03:42:02] | wagnerrp: | but you hit 6250rpm, and its like you hit a brick wall |
| [03:42:10] | wagnerrp: | governor cuts all fuel to the engine |
| [03:42:18] | Beirdo: | 6250?! |
| [03:42:22] | Beirdo: | holy crap |
| [03:42:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, low revving for a little 2L engine |
| [03:42:40] | Beirdo: | I used to spool my Accord V6 up to 8000 or so |
| [03:42:56] | wagnerrp: | but im sure this thing would eat your accord up |
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| [03:42:59] | Beirdo: | and then all it would do is insist on shifting gears |
| [03:43:10] | Beirdo: | dunno about that |
| [03:43:17] | wagnerrp: | this is a manual, no automatic shifting |
| [03:43:24] | Beirdo: | 8000RPM in first gear was above the speed limit |
| [03:43:52] | Beirdo: | 3L V6... |
| [03:44:20] | wagnerrp: | 2L I4 |
| [03:44:32] | Beirdo: | and it only shifted as it was at redline |
| [03:44:42] | Beirdo: | and at least it didnt' cut the fuel :) |
| [03:45:02] | wagnerrp: | and it only shifted when you mashed the clutch and fiddled with the stick |
| [03:45:14] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, its really jarring |
| [03:45:31] | wagnerrp: | my old contour didnt do that |
| [03:45:51] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, i dont know if i ever redlined that car |
| [03:45:59] | Beirdo: | yeah well, I won't buy American cars anyways. Definitely not Scottish |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall any sort of governor |
| [03:46:27] | kormoc: | you can turn off the governor via the serial port interface thing |
| [03:46:55] | Beirdo: | there are SOME OK US-made cars, but meh |
| [03:46:57] | wagnerrp: | its not a problem if i know where it is |
| [03:47:33] | wagnerrp: | but you hit the gas in second on the on ramp, and 2 seconds later you lose all power |
| [03:47:42] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [03:47:48] | Beirdo: | that blows |
| [03:47:49] | kormoc: | Standard on Pontiacs |
| [03:48:07] | wagnerrp: | manual pontiacs? my grand prix doesnt do that |
| [03:48:46] | kormoc: | my Grand Am would govern at 115, we removed that one, my G6 governs at a reported 140 |
| [03:49:22] | kormoc: | my bro's grand prix (97 supercharged manual) governed at 125 until we removed it |
| [03:49:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: for what its worth, its an australian car |
| [03:50:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, perhaps someone disabled it already? |
| [03:50:30] | wagnerrp: | nope, we bought it new |
| [03:50:32] | Beirdo: | Oh really? heh |
| [03:50:35] | kormoc: | huh |
| [03:50:39] | wagnerrp: | its an auto, so it just up shifts |
| [03:51:32] | Beirdo: | mind you, my Accord may have been designed in Japan, but it was made near you, wagnerrp |
| [03:51:35] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:51:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: most of GMs new cars this decade were australian (Holden) designs |
| [03:51:45] | Beirdo: | Columbus, OH to be exact |
| [03:52:08] | wagnerrp: | may have been made over here, but that doesnt make it an american car |
| [03:52:18] | Beirdo: | true |
| [03:52:58] | Beirdo: | I didn't realize Holden was spreading that much |
| [03:53:12] | Beirdo: | they had one on Top Gear the other night, and they liked it a lot |
| [03:53:32] | Beirdo: | Aussie design, American engine |
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| [03:55:14] | Beirdo: | gonna slap this stupid code hard soon |
| [03:55:32] | Beirdo: | but let's see what the logs say after I restart it in a few minutes |
| [03:55:40] | kormoc: | Controlled by Americans, built by the Japanese subcontractors. Who, also, happen to be, recently acquired, wholly-owned subsidiaries of Holden industries. |
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| [04:09:52] | Beirdo: | /opt/mythtv/upnp-commskip/bin/mythbackend: symbol lookup error: /opt/mythtv/upnp-commskip/lib/libmythtv-0.23.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN7QString18please_use_av_freeEPNS_4DataE |
| [04:09:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:09:56] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [04:10:33] | Beirdo: | I think I shall make clean |
| [04:20:57] | mzb: | I've just discovered that (fairly recent) svn needs qmake4.5 |
| [04:21:12] | mzb: | not available in lenny :( |
| [04:21:23] | wagnerrp: | s/qmake4.5/qt4.5/ |
| [04:21:29] | mzb: | yes |
| [04:21:47] | mzb: | apart from building qt from source, is there a way of getting this to work? |
| [04:21:56] | mzb: | (without upgrading to squeeze) |
| [04:22:31] | wagnerrp: | upgrade to a distro that has updated their packages in the last year and a half? |
| [04:22:45] | wagnerrp: | 4.5 was released in march |
| [04:22:48] | mzb: | this is for a slave backend |
| [04:22:48] | wagnerrp: | 2009 |
| [04:22:49] | mzb: | sure |
| [04:22:57] | mzb: | a chroot is a possibility, I guess |
| [04:23:10] | Beirdo: | just upgrade already :) |
| [04:24:05] | mzb: | nope, I want this one to run debian stable |
| [04:24:15] | mzb: | I'll try a chroot and see how I go |
| [04:24:40] | Beirdo: | debian archaic is not really gonna have what you need for myth, but go nuts :) |
| [04:24:56] | wagnerrp: | we say the same thing to centos/rhel users |
| [04:25:29] | Beirdo: | and RH9.0, and FC<12 or so |
| [04:26:11] | mzb: | I know what you're saying |
| [04:26:23] | mzb: | however this machine is primarily for other stuff |
| [04:26:30] | mzb: | slave-backend is *optional* |
| [04:26:48] | mzb: | (bit more grunt to play with ;)) |
| [04:27:15] | Beirdo: | if it's just Qt... you could likely set your apt sources to squeeze, update, install the new qt and friends, put it back to lenny, update |
| [04:27:30] | Beirdo: | but I won't guarantee that won't break something else ;) |
| [04:27:46] | mzb: | yeah, already been there |
| [04:27:56] | mzb: | it wants to upgrade libstc++ et al |
| [04:28:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:28:12] | Beirdo: | well, enjoy :) |
| [04:28:19] | mzb: | thanks for the suggestions |
| [04:28:32] | mzb: | yeah ... I'm sure it'll be *loads* of fun ;) |
| [04:28:36] | Beirdo: | no problem. |
| [04:28:51] | wagnerrp: | at least youre thinking right... a chroot instead of a VM |
| [04:30:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:30:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, run a domU... oh wait, can't |
| [04:30:33] | Beirdo: | Lenny no do Xen |
| [04:31:07] | Beirdo: | chroot would likely work well, gonna be painful anyways |
| [04:32:01] | ** wagnerrp hates how people throw virtualization at a problem as an end-all solution ** | |
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| [04:33:00] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZmHDEa0Y20 |
| [04:33:15] | kormoc: | I virtualize my virtualization problems away... |
| [04:34:22] | Chaorain: | Hey I have a question, If I am watching live tv is there a way to record the show I'm watching? |
| [04:34:44] | wagnerrp: | 'r' |
| [04:34:55] | kormoc: | you're already recording it if you're watching it |
| [04:35:11] | wagnerrp: | pressing 'r' just makes it a 'proper' recording |
| [04:35:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning it wont terminate when you exit livetv, or be culled within a day or so |
| [04:37:17] | mzb: | k, chroot done. Installing mythtv-dev-requirements |
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| [04:37:59] | Chaorain: | 'r' iswhat I was I looking for, thanks |
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| [04:39:28] | Beirdo: | that robertm is on a commit rampage :) |
| [04:39:31] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [04:50:20] | mzb: | looks like a happening thing (so far) |
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| [04:54:25] | mzb: | oops ... |
| [04:54:41] | ** mzb remembers NOT to scan that address with sensors-detect ;) ** | |
| [04:55:01] | wagnerrp: | oh namespaces, how you vex me... |
| [04:55:01] | wagnerrp: | i just want them gone |
| [04:55:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont want to deal with them |
| [04:55:24] | ** Beirdo pokes kormoc with a netsplit stick... you OK? ** | |
| [04:55:27] | kormoc: | huh? |
| [04:55:32] | Beirdo: | my IRC client says you netsplit on us :) |
| [04:55:33] | Beirdo: | or maybe it was me |
| [04:55:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:55:37] | kormoc: | nope, I was disconnected from the server |
| [04:55:46] | Beirdo: | pretty |
| [04:56:19] | wagnerrp: | so the whole server dropped offline |
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| [05:32:27] | Beirdo: | kormoc: if you could let me know what you get with: |
| [05:32:42] | Beirdo: | select data from recordedmarkup where type=14 |
| [05:32:44] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [05:33:08] | Beirdo: | that's supposed to be aspect ratio-related, but the value I have makes me wonder what exactly it is :) |
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| [05:39:34] | kormoc: | 1764705 |
| [05:39:53] | Beirdo: | K |
| [05:39:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its aspect ratio * 1000000 |
| [05:39:57] | Beirdo: | same here. |
| [05:40:08] | wagnerrp: | 1920x1088 |
| [05:40:09] | Beirdo: | I just looked at the code to be sure. |
| [05:40:46] | Beirdo: | thanks :) confirmation is a good thing |
| [05:41:23] | Beirdo: | and my 720p recordings have mark 12 |
| [05:41:28] | Beirdo: | which is right |
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| [05:48:51] | mzb: | hmm ... ssh -X into a chroot ... don't know about that one |
| [05:51:10] | mzb: | task for tomorrow |
| [05:52:38] | clever: | mzb: i just mount --bind the /tmp dir (for the unix sockets) or use tcp, after that its just a matter of the cookies/xhost |
| [05:53:03] | clever: | ssh -X just eats cpu and creates a tunnel with its own socket&cookies |
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| [06:02:36] | mzb: | ah |
| [06:03:04] | mzb: | thanks clever, I'll try that later ... shut the beast down now ;) |
| [06:18:40] | Beirdo: | eewwww. |
| [06:18:44] | Beirdo: | 480i?! |
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| [06:26:08] | Beirdo: | to whatever jerk fried bacon at 11pm.... SCREW YOU! |
| [06:26:50] | Beirdo: | that is just super-evil |
| [06:30:51] | clever: | Beirdo: it could be worse, it might be 1am, waking up to bacon you cant have! |
| [06:31:48] | Beirdo: | nearly the same thing, really |
| [06:32:08] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:34:13] | wagnerrp: | what is this 'bacon you cant have' |
| [06:34:26] | wagnerrp: | you mean you dont have 24-hr breakfast eateries where you live? |
| [06:35:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:35:45] | Beirdo: | not nearby, no. |
| [06:35:53] | Beirdo: | I do have a frying pan and bacon though |
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| [06:38:46] | Beirdo: | OK, 720p just got seen at 60fps |
| [06:38:47] | Beirdo: | goooood |
| [06:39:34] | Beirdo: | next is to make sure that 1080i and (ick!) 480i show up as 30fps +/- |
| [06:39:53] | Beirdo: | I'll let this one finish recording first though |
| [06:40:20] | Beirdo: | parsing the frame rate right outta the H.264 headers at record time |
| [06:40:40] | Beirdo: | akin to the resolution and aspect ratio checks in there |
| [06:41:51] | Beirdo: | and I'm using 64-bit integer math rather than floating point. Nyah! |
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| [07:02:00] | Beirdo: | dangit! |
| [07:02:15] | Beirdo: | so 720p works, 1080i doesn't!? |
| [07:03:53] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [07:03:56] | Beirdo: | I wonder. |
| [07:08:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: trying to properly partition my WD disk... Is this right: /dev/sdb1 2048 3907029160 1953513556+ 83 Linux |
| [07:08:28] | sphery: | (from fdisk -lu, so showing sectors) |
| [07:08:41] | wagnerrp: | dont know, to be honest |
| [07:08:51] | sphery: | parted gives me: 1 2048s 3907029160s 3907027113s primary |
| [07:09:08] | sphery: | where the value 3907027113s is "Size" and is not divisible by 8 |
| [07:09:21] | justinh: | hmm what was I going to do this morning... there was something... |
| [07:09:35] | wagnerrp: | deliver a baby? |
| [07:09:35] | justinh: | oh yeah sort that stupid nvidia fb thing out |
| [07:09:43] | justinh: | no that's this afternoon :) |
| [07:09:51] | sphery: | though (start) 2048s is, (end) 3907029160s is, and 3907029160s – 2048s (what I would expect is the actual size) is |
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| [07:12:10] | justinh: | time to reboot! |
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| [07:12:48] | justinh1: | heh if only you could do this kind of stuff on windows without having a virus/trojan |
| [07:13:12] | wagnerrp: | whats that? |
| [07:13:24] | justinh1: | log in remotely & reboot |
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| [07:13:38] | wagnerrp: | like... remote desktop? |
| [07:13:55] | justinh1: | no that's a pain. like with a shell |
| [07:14:05] | wagnerrp: | like... telnet? |
| [07:14:17] | justinh1: | windows has telnet? |
| [07:14:20] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [07:14:39] | Beirdo: | but it only gives a useless cmd |
| [07:14:43] | wagnerrp: | of course if you enable that, you may as well have a virus/trojan |
| [07:14:48] | justinh1: | lol |
| [07:14:55] | Beirdo: | have fun rebooting from cmd.exe |
| [07:15:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you can still run 'shutdown' through that |
| [07:15:17] | Beirdo: | will it even come close to working? |
| [07:15:36] | Beirdo: | or will it prompt you to save your work in every dang window? |
| [07:15:40] | justinh1: | oh bum. now nut is whining about stuff |
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| [07:15:57] | Beirdo: | 393 |
| [07:16:02] | Beirdo: | oops, wrong window |
| [07:16:21] | justinh1: | well X didn't start. no screens found |
| [07:16:27] | wagnerrp: | oof.... ctrl+d does not close a firefox tab |
| [07:17:32] | justinh1: | ah no, *buntu just got into low graphics mode. Like I care |
| [07:17:48] | justinh1: | it's a backend machine hidden in a cupboard |
| [07:18:31] | wagnerrp: | gstreamer is like a virus, no matter how hard i try, some application keeps pulling it back in |
| [07:18:59] | Beirdo: | ue(v) |
| [07:19:05] | Beirdo: | bleh! |
| [07:20:34] | Beirdo: | I swear the H.264 people were out to get us |
| [07:22:18] | sphery: | hmmm, parted says, "Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance." when I use not ideal values. |
| [07:22:28] | sphery: | unfortunately, it doesn't say what's mis-aligned |
| [07:22:41] | sphery: | and changing end by 8 hasn't helped |
| [07:23:27] | sphery: | ah, but that seems to be based on -a optimal, which aligns on 1MB boundaries |
| [07:24:18] | sphery: | wonder if optimal is really better than minimal |
| [07:29:38] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [07:29:43] | Beirdo: | I think I see the problem |
| [07:29:52] | Beirdo: | reading ffmpeg's parsing of the same data |
| [07:29:59] | Beirdo: | they use get_bits_long |
| [07:30:03] | Beirdo: | I used get_bits |
| [07:30:04] | Beirdo: | oooops |
| [07:30:52] | justinh1: | hmm wtf is up with nut this time |
| [07:31:33] | Beirdo: | it's nuts |
| [07:32:52] | justinh1: | upsmon is reporting there's no comms with the ups |
| [07:33:01] | justinh1: | cable is still plugged in, just checked it |
| [07:36:36] | Beirdo: | hmm, made no difference. |
| [07:36:58] | Beirdo: | back to the crappy ffmpeg code we go |
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| [07:37:36] | justinh1: | ah it's failing with a connection refused thing |
| [07:39:11] | justinh1: | oh great. nut was upgraded & the config has changed beyond all recognition |
| [07:39:41] | Beirdo: | computers are wonderful, aren't they? |
| [07:39:46] | justinh1: | NO :-) |
| [07:39:51] | dustybin: | YES |
| [07:39:59] | ** justinh1 smacks dustybin ** | |
| [07:40:14] | ** dustybin goes back into hibernation ** | |
| [07:40:20] | Beirdo: | to err is human, but to REALLY eff things up, you need a computer. |
| [07:41:35] | Beirdo: | this is REALLY starting to make me mad |
| [07:42:48] | justinh1: | Servname not supported for ai_socktype .. like wth man? |
| [07:45:24] | Beirdo: | and some fool's out blowing a vuvuzela |
| [07:45:57] | Beirdo: | I swear we need a missile that seeks for the source of said noise and obliterates it |
| [07:46:05] | zzztrumee is now known as trumee | |
| [07:46:36] | Beirdo: | it's quarter to 1 in the morning, give it a rest, you drunk git! |
| [07:47:51] | justinh1: | man, nut hasn't changed in how long.. so wth is going on here? |
| [07:48:23] | justinh1: | hmmm |
| [07:49:07] | justinh1: | seem to remember it being an utter fluke I got it working initially |
| [07:54:06] | justinh1: | oh great- the log is showing the latest changes aren't documented on the nut website |
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| [07:55:50] | justinh1: | ACCEPT in upsd.conf is no longer supported – switch to LISTEN |
| [07:58:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:58:28] | ** Beirdo slaps his code again ** | |
| [08:00:15] | justinh1: | so.. where are the 2.4.x docs I wonder... |
| [08:00:56] | Beirdo: | probably right under that pint of AM Ale |
| [08:05:39] | Beirdo: | 2010-07–31 01:05:15.428 timescale: 120000, tick: 1001, framerate: 59940 |
| [08:05:45] | Beirdo: | OK, that looks right |
| [08:05:49] | Beirdo: | 480p, I think |
| [08:05:51] | justinh1: | oh man, they just totally made nut impenetrable. ****ing CHEERS |
| [08:06:57] | Beirdo: | drink up... it's a long day ahead of you, and sobriety ain't gonna help |
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| [08:07:23] | Beirdo: | so... BBC America. 480p |
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| [08:30:35] | Beirdo: | 2010-07–31 01:30:12.907 timescale: 3909091562, tick: 771, framerate: 2535078833 |
| [08:30:46] | Beirdo: | 1080i is giving retarded numbers |
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| [08:42:17] | Beirdo: | maybe the hdpvr encodes bad data? |
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| [08:43:27] | justinh: | whee! got nut working again. oh man |
| [08:44:04] | justinh: | fine, packagers, include a frickin update to a program but when the config files change beyond all recognition FFS lend a helping hand |
| [08:44:44] | justinh: | and if the upstream program has changed significantly and have neglected to update their bloody docs, send them a rocket or just don't update it |
| [08:45:00] | justinh: | thing is I can't even remember seeing nut in the update list |
| [08:45:06] | justinh: | ach well |
| [08:45:10] | justinh: | it's done |
| [08:45:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:45:48] | justinh: | if I didn't hate ubuntu so much I'd be inclined to put something in their wiki |
| [08:45:50] | Beirdo: | mplayer -identify thinks 1080i is 60fps |
| [08:45:51] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [08:46:07] | justinh: | yeah 60 *fields* per sec ! |
| [08:46:08] | justinh: | :D |
| [08:46:23] | Beirdo: | FPS is NOT fields |
| [08:46:26] | Beirdo: | it's frames |
| [08:46:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:46:37] | justinh: | well they both start with the letter F ;-) |
| [08:46:50] | Beirdo: | 60 farts per second |
| [08:46:58] | justinh: | heheheh |
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| [09:21:15] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [09:22:55] | justinh: | ruh? mythvideo thinks I only have 11 files in a dir where there are clearly 66 files |
| [09:24:06] | justinh: | ahh m4v files vs mp4 |
| [09:25:08] | justinh: | why's it ignoring m4v? hmm |
| [09:25:27] | justinh: | heh can't find out cos I've not themed the file associations bit |
| [09:31:14] | Beirdo: | now that the frame rate stuff is as far as it's going at the exact second.... |
| [09:31:33] | Beirdo: | time to look at why my TV won't go to the second track properly |
| [09:31:42] | Beirdo: | AND to cut out the commercials :) |
| [09:31:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:37:10] | Beirdo: | but first... wait for yet another compile |
| [09:37:31] | rooaus: | Now that trunk requires qt4.5 what will debian lenny users do? Switch to Sid? Switch to Ubuntu? Build QT from source? Backports? Some other thing that didn't occur to me when I typed this? |
| [09:37:54] | ** rooaus ponders his options. ** | |
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| [09:54:32] | justinh: | jeebus. cable stb is costing us about £2 a month to leave powered on 24/7 |
| [09:55:19] | justinh: | that's going on the standby saver |
| [09:57:36] | justinh: | sheesh cable modem is 9VA 24/7. That's going on a timer methinks |
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| [09:58:06] | Beirdo: | rooaus: ummm, too bad for Lenny users? |
| [09:58:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:58:46] | Beirdo: | OK, bedframe built, but haven't put the headboard/footboard on it yet |
| [09:59:11] | justinh: | found 48 watts I can save in one fell swoop already |
| [09:59:36] | Beirdo: | now if only the mattress would finish "restoring" original shape |
| [09:59:43] | justinh: | the Pure DAB radio mains adapter was pulling 9 of that without the damn radio switched on |
| [09:59:48] | Beirdo: | kinda still folded down the middle a bit |
| [09:59:52] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:59:59] | Beirdo: | memory foam FTW |
| [10:00:11] | justinh: | foam mattresses ftl :) |
| [10:00:26] | stuartm is now known as gbee | |
| [10:00:27] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [10:00:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [10:00:44] | justinh: | ask me again when I'm older ;) |
| [10:00:47] | Beirdo: | a lot easier to ship |
| [10:01:15] | Beirdo: | mine was made in Chicago and shipped to me. :) |
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| [10:01:41] | Beirdo: | free shipping FTW :) |
| [10:03:38] | justinh: | I think my guess of about 200W for the house's quiescent power consumption probably wasn't far off the mark |
| [10:03:59] | justinh: | knocking 25% off of that isn't bad going without really trying :) |
| [10:04:58] | Beirdo: | turn off another light |
| [10:05:10] | justinh: | it's daytime. no lights on |
| [10:05:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [10:05:30] | justinh: | plus we're running on energy saving bulbs. oh man, you guys are missing out on a sting there |
| [10:05:32] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [10:05:44] | Beirdo: | oh I see... |
| [10:05:47] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [10:05:49] | justinh: | can't even buy pearl incandescent bulbs anymore :-\ |
| [10:06:04] | Beirdo: | they created an M3U playlist for the videos |
| [10:06:07] | justinh: | it's all stupid fluorescents |
| [10:06:15] | Beirdo: | but never send it to the UPnP clients |
| [10:06:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [10:06:22] | Beirdo: | I hate flourescents |
| [10:06:32] | justinh: | they're not bad, the newer ones |
| [10:06:47] | justinh: | light up fast, save loads of power |
| [10:07:00] | Beirdo: | flicker like an SOB, give me headaches |
| [10:07:07] | justinh: | I much prefer halogen but not when I see how much they cost long term |
| [10:07:18] | Beirdo: | halogen++ |
| [10:07:29] | Beirdo: | screw cost, I don't need the headaches :) |
| [10:07:32] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:07:47] | rooaus: | Beirdo: yeah :) |
| [10:07:50] | justinh: | can't wait for LEDs to come on some more |
| [10:08:00] | Beirdo: | had a migraine most of today too... it finally went down to a dull roar at about 10pm |
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| [10:08:59] | justinh: | ouchies |
| [10:09:41] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [10:09:56] | Beirdo: | I worked anyways, just a LOT slower, and from home |
| [10:10:02] | Beirdo: | and with naps :) |
| [10:11:08] | justinh: | wonder how much juice my rf power switches suck |
| [10:11:56] | Beirdo: | speaking of sucking |
| [10:12:07] | justinh: | 2W ! :-O |
| [10:12:19] | Beirdo: | who's the moron who decided to start filenames with 2010/07/30? |
| [10:12:39] | Beirdo: | my UPnP client got real confuseled |
| [10:15:47] | justinh: | slashes in the filename? oh boy |
| [10:15:59] | justinh: | no wonder so many peeps have issues with upnp |
| [10:17:14] | Beirdo: | yay... my TV crashed the backend! :) |
| [10:18:43] | Beirdo: | and some idiot from PR just wrong numbered me |
| [10:18:51] | Beirdo: | 3:18am here... 6:18am |
| [10:19:00] | Beirdo: | he didn't even say sorry |
| [10:19:02] | Beirdo: | freak |
| [10:19:30] | justinh: | well you'll have his number now.. muhahahaha |
| [10:19:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [10:20:05] | Beirdo: | and crashed the backend again |
| [10:20:08] | Beirdo: | I'm talented |
| [10:21:09] | justinh: | not gonna replace any of the linear PSU wall warts here either. that'll cost more than it saves |
| [10:23:08] | Beirdo: | #1 0x00007fea05501c6d in UPnpCDSExtension::CreateItems(UPnpCDSRequest*, UPnpCDSExtensionResults*, int, QString const&, bool) () from /opt/mythtv/upnp-commskip/lib/libmythupnp-0.23.so.0 |
| [10:23:26] | Beirdo: | and of course.... I didn't do a debug build |
| [10:27:24] | Beirdo: | that will take... an hour or two |
| [10:28:50] | Beirdo: | so I will just not touch the UPnP client for now |
| [10:31:08] | Beirdo: | dunno what the heck I broke :) |
| [10:40:25] | justinh: | oof! DAB radio in the bedroom ... 16 watts! |
| [10:41:08] | bjd: | you had a big bill or something? |
| [10:41:11] | justinh: | another cheapo linear mains adapter |
| [10:41:20] | justinh: | nah not big, just could be smaller |
| [10:42:22] | justinh: | house quiescent power is about 200W.. get that down, have lower bills |
| [10:43:46] | bjd: | heh, my last bill was about 200 quid |
| [10:44:25] | justinh: | whatnow? :-O |
| [10:44:42] | justinh: | Ours worked out about 2/3 of that |
| [10:44:53] | bjd: | the fun of not being on mains gas |
| [10:47:04] | Beirdo: | dangit, I'm hungry.. again |
| [11:33:07] | justinh: | well that handbrake exercise was a waste of 2 hours. still 2GB & looks like ass compared to the original |
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| [11:40:04] | Beirdo: | OK, time to break the backend and get a core dump that's useful |
| [11:42:09] | justinh: | sigh. well, wish me luck. off to the hospital to bring a new life into the world |
| [11:42:24] | Beirdo: | oh wow! |
| [11:42:30] | Beirdo: | congrats, and good luck |
| [11:42:43] | justinh: | cheers. might be a long day |
| [11:46:44] | Beirdo: | ahhhh, a NULL problem |
| [11:46:46] | Beirdo: | my bad |
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| [11:54:13] | Beirdo: | god, I can't believe how STUPID that was |
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| [12:12:21] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed! |
| [12:12:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [12:53:10] | rileyp: | i have 2 instances of irexexc running one as root and one as my user name dad |
| [12:56:36] | rileyp: | what would start the root instance of irexec in mythbuntu? |
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| [13:09:18] | poli: | hello all! So, what backend and frontend systems should I buy? |
| [13:13:29] | tarx: | Any experts on dvb_usb hardware present ? |
| [13:14:50] | tarx: | Having problems with an Ausu U3100 MyCinema mini in Ubuntu Lucid. Can anyone offer help ? |
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| [13:52:56] | patdk-lap: | does scan-collection from mythweb not work for storage groups at all? |
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| [14:00:41] | GreyFoxx: | correct, not at all |
| [14:04:05] | patdk-lap: | any way to get it to update the mythvideo collection, without using a frontend? |
| [14:04:41] | patdk-lap: | (I just upgraded to mythtv 0.23, and haven't got the frontends setup yet) |
| [14:05:08] | patdk-lap: | since I normally use mythweb for everything |
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| [14:23:10] | wagnerrp: | patdk-lap: videos in mythweb were rewritten for storage group, but were done incorrectly |
| [14:23:21] | wagnerrp: | using the scan will cause things to break |
| [14:23:43] | wagnerrp: | and it only has limited access to the information in mythvideo |
| [14:24:01] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have a frontend, why does it matter? |
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| [14:24:29] | bashtoni: | I've got 2x DVB-S cards and 1x DVB-T, and I'm confused how I'm supposed to configure this, can anyone help? |
| [14:24:33] | bashtoni: | At the moment i've set up the three capture cards, and two video sources (one for dvb-t, one for dvb-s) |
| [14:24:37] | bashtoni: | Is that the way I should be doing it? |
| [14:25:16] | wagnerrp: | bashtoni: yes, if the two DVB-S cards are pointed at the same satellite (and have access to the same channels) they should share a source |
| [14:25:27] | patdk-lap: | if I don't have a frontend, how will I scan the collection, so I can stream the video from mythweb? :) |
| [14:25:45] | bashtoni: | wagnerrp: OK, great :) |
| [14:25:49] | wagnerrp: | patdk-lap: im saying you dont, video support in mythweb is broken |
| [14:26:03] | patdk-lap: | but my issue, that this got related to, is that mythweb only does 2 dir-levels, then it forgets to put the / in, and breaks |
| [14:26:21] | patdk-lap: | well, I wouldn't know, I haven't been able to get that far :) |
| [14:26:30] | bashtoni: | wagnerrp: And what about when I have channels that are on both DVB-S and DVB-T, and I want them to record from either? |
| [14:26:50] | patdk-lap: | actually, no, it's not broken, it streams just fine for me :) |
| [14:26:58] | patdk-lap: | atleast the few videos that do display in the list |
| [14:26:59] | wagnerrp: | bashtoni: then set them to the same channel number and callsign, the scheduler will take care of it from there |
| [14:27:19] | patdk-lap: | guess I will have to do some more playing, and figure out where that missing / needs to go |
| [14:27:30] | wagnerrp: | patdk-lap: only because you have the content mounted on the machine running apache |
| [14:27:37] | wagnerrp: | thats not how storage groups are supposed to work |
| [14:27:42] | bashtoni: | wagnerrp: OK, thx |
| [14:27:57] | patdk-lap: | wagnerrp, I know that, but I could care less about *storage groups* :) |
| [14:28:04] | patdk-lap: | but mythweb wouldn't work at all without it |
| [14:28:13] | patdk-lap: | I only use storage on my myth-backend |
| [14:28:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, and thats the whole point of storage groups |
| [14:28:32] | patdk-lap: | I only made a storage-group cause mythweb was complaining |
| [14:28:41] | wagnerrp: | that the storage is on your backend, and your frontends have access to it without effort |
| [14:29:07] | patdk-lap: | well, when I have the frontend up, it uses autofs to mount it, no issue |
| [14:29:18] | patdk-lap: | but I don't care about the frontend, only mythweb |
| [14:29:23] | patdk-lap: | and mythweb is on the backend |
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| [14:30:21] | rileyp: | lirc works in myth but ibuttons programmed to use irecec do not |
| [14:30:46] | rileyp: | they were working but i had multiple instances of irxec |
| [14:30:50] | wagnerrp: | rileyp: is irexec runnign? |
| [14:30:51] | rileyp: | that irexec |
| [14:30:55] | rileyp: | yes |
| [14:31:10] | wagnerrp: | did you define the commands in the file that irexec reads? |
| [14:31:20] | wagnerrp: | it does not read from the same ~/.mythtv/lircrc that mythtv does |
| [14:31:20] | rileyp: | dad 3432 3301 0 00:31 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto irexec |
| [14:31:28] | rileyp: | yes and they normally work |
| [14:31:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont see irexec there |
| [14:31:37] | rileyp: | oh |
| [14:31:41] | wagnerrp: | i see grep |
| [14:32:20] | rileyp: | so ir exec not running? |
| [14:32:29] | wagnerrp: | apparently not |
| [14:33:21] | wagnerrp: | a problem with doing 'ps... | grep...' is that you often pick up grep itself |
| [14:33:50] | rileyp: | this is perhaps what is confusing me |
| [14:34:13] | rileyp: | just man started irexec wuill have a quick play |
| [14:34:44] | wagnerrp: | if you manually start irexec, it will pull its config file from ~/.lircrc |
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| [14:35:00] | wagnerrp: | if you start it from an init script, it is probably set up to pull a config from somewhere in /etc |
| [14:36:40] | ** patdk-lap goes patch happy on mythweb ** | |
| [14:37:49] | wagnerrp: | patdk-lap: JAMU has a file scanner, as do the python bindings (for which there is example code on the wiki) |
| [14:37:51] | rileyp: | my .lirccrc just says include this and include about 5 differnt lircrc's one for myth one for mplayer totem etc |
| [14:38:02] | wagnerrp: | but i cant recommend using either for the purposes of making mythweb work |
| [14:38:12] | wagnerrp: | until video support in mythweb is fixed properly |
| [14:38:13] | rileyp: | so how does it decide if none of tose procs are running |
| [14:38:38] | wagnerrp: | how does what decide? |
| [14:39:19] | rileyp: | lirc decide which crc to use if none of the sugested procs are running |
| [14:39:27] | wagnerrp: | lircrc is a client configuration file |
| [14:39:37] | wagnerrp: | the lircrc client reads that, and decides how to handle input using it |
| [14:39:41] | rileyp: | eg include ~/.lirc/mythtv |
| [14:39:58] | rileyp: | include ~/.lirc/irexec |
| [14:40:08] | wagnerrp: | when a client connects to lirc, the daemon will spam any and all input it gets to the client |
| [14:40:19] | wagnerrp: | its up to the client to filter out the signals it actually wants to use |
| [14:40:23] | rileyp: | ah ok so all those programs will recive the input if they are running at point of time? |
| [14:41:04] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [14:41:30] | wagnerrp: | and irexec will only act on signals for which you have defined a command in the config file it reads from |
| [14:41:52] | wagnerrp: | similarly with mythtv |
| [14:42:01] | rileyp: | fantastic I actaully inderstand a little about lirc.... :D |
| [14:42:10] | patdk-lap: | ya, I always disable jamu, as what it does I don't need, and seems so intensive and keeps my system from sleeping |
| [14:42:14] | wagnerrp: | while something like irw doesnt bother with a config file, and just dumps everything to the screen |
| [14:44:56] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt |
| [14:45:14] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, the distros that set jamu up to run automatically just have it run once a night through cron |
| [14:45:35] | patdk-lap: | ubuntu does it once a week, once a day, and once an hour |
| [14:45:39] | patdk-lap: | all in cron |
| [14:45:49] | wagnerrp: | and it wakes itself back up for cron? |
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| [14:46:21] | patdk-lap: | well, I don't mean computer sleep, I meant drives sleep |
| [14:46:40] | patdk-lap: | as it serchs a few million files for videos |
| [14:46:57] | rileyp: | ps -ef |grep lirc when I run this command I get root 3251 1 2 00:11 ? 00:00:49 /usr/sbin/lircd --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [14:47:35] | rileyp: | and dad 4038 3301 0 00:44 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto lirc so now this one is just grep? |
| [14:48:09] | rileyp: | which means I haev only one instance of lirc running and its running as root as it should be? |
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| [14:49:29] | wagnerrp: | you have one instance of lirc, and one instance of grep used to find lirc |
| [14:50:07] | patdk-lap: | well, first mythweb patch worked :) I can now browse more than 1 dir deep :) |
| [14:51:12] | rileyp: | very good |
| [14:51:28] | rileyp: | now for a suspend and resume test |
| [14:52:24] | patdk-lap: | ok, guess I will have to see if I have time to fix that scan collection thing this week sometime, and submit patchs |
| [14:52:44] | patdk-lap: | atleast I know it wasn't just me, couldn't find anything that said if it was broken or not in 0.23 |
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| [15:02:55] | wagnerrp: | please check out the scan and database utilities in the python bindings or actual code before blindly diving into it |
| [15:03:23] | wagnerrp: | everything you need should be done over the backend protocol, not through the filesystem |
| [15:05:27] | wagnerrp: | scans of the filesystem using storage groups should be done through http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST_%28Myth_Protocol%29 |
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| [15:06:35] | wagnerrp: | any missing paths should be tested against new files using their hash http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_FILE_HASH_%28Myth_Protocol%29 |
| [15:07:55] | wagnerrp: | and if you want to stream it, use this to discover the path to the file http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_FILE_EXISTS_%28Myth_Protocol%29 |
| [15:08:33] | wagnerrp: | or maybe mythweb has its own storage group search tool for use with recordings |
| [15:09:12] | wagnerrp: | bah... talking to myself this whole time |
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| [18:37:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you think there is likely to be any move away from direct access to mysql in the near future? |
| [18:41:22] | wagnerrp: | im just concerned about people starting to move to python 2.7 |
| [18:41:43] | wagnerrp: | the mysql library i use does not support python 2.7, so im going to have to switch to something else soon |
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| [18:46:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'd like to start on embedding after 0.24 |
| [18:46:28] | sphery: | but I don't know how successful I'll be with making time for the plan |
| [18:47:01] | sphery: | will they eventually update python-mysql for 2.7? |
| [18:47:15] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [18:47:30] | sphery: | hnnn |
| [18:47:34] | wagnerrp: | as far as the 'pythonistas' are concerned, it should be abandoned for oursql |
| [18:47:45] | wagnerrp: | (which supports 2.7 and 3.x) |
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| [18:47:54] | sphery: | oursql being a different python lib? |
| [18:47:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:48:02] | sphery: | ahh |
| [18:48:11] | wagnerrp: | one that doesnt seem to currently be available in most package managers |
| [18:48:27] | wagnerrp: | hence the dilemma |
| [18:51:18] | wagnerrp: | i could always go the 'standard mythtv route' and just pull it in locally |
| [18:51:29] | sphery: | true |
| [18:51:32] | sphery: | it's up to you |
| [18:51:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont want it to be my to me... decisions are hard |
| [18:51:52] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [18:52:09] | sphery: | or could just make users demand it from their packagers |
| [18:52:36] | sphery: | if you do the work to convert and we get the DB embedded, you can pull the DB stuff |
| [18:52:55] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, it's a lot of work to throw away |
| [18:53:18] | wagnerrp: | well it should largely be a drop-in replacement |
| [18:53:33] | wagnerrp: | might be a bit of change in syntax |
| [18:53:35] | wagnerrp: | but not much |
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| [18:54:22] | sphery: | heh, my ad-supported Internet radio station just went to a Flash-only model for non-premium (non-pay/ad-supported) users |
| [18:54:53] | sphery: | I'd recommend just making the switch and letting packagers make oursql available |
| [18:55:03] | sphery: | or if it is close, maybe you can do runtime detection? |
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| [18:55:16] | sphery: | and if oursql isn't available, fall back |
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| [19:06:00] | benomatic: | anybody have a suggestion on where to start to get my hvr 4000 to work in the netherlands? i am uncertain, but think i have whatever "plain old cable" means here (rental apt, limited channels, works on regular old tv). |
| [19:09:13] | wagnerrp: | does the 4000 have a hardware encoder? |
| [19:09:36] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge usually makes that well known on the site when it does |
| [19:09:40] | wagnerrp: | i see no mention of it |
| [19:10:54] | stoth: | wagnerrp: no |
| [19:11:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, then you probably dont want to use it for analog recording |
| [19:12:08] | benomatic: | for cpu reasons, or sth else? |
| [19:12:08] | wagnerrp: | better to find a cheap old PVR-150 or -500 |
| [19:12:15] | wagnerrp: | sanity reasons |
| [19:12:36] | stoth: | doesn't the 1300 help? |
| [19:12:40] | wagnerrp: | using framegrabbers with mythtv is often an exercise in frustration |
| [19:13:03] | benomatic: | i also have a 1600 from the us, but the cable connector type is different, and i have no idea whether they are electrically compatible. i just moved here, and know even less about euro-tv than i do about us-tv. |
| [19:13:16] | wagnerrp: | a 1600 will not work in the netherlands |
| [19:13:25] | wagnerrp: | completely different broadcast format |
| [19:13:27] | stoth: | hmm. analog probably will |
| [19:13:47] | wagnerrp: | i think capture will work, but not tuning |
| [19:13:58] | stoth: | pretty sure hans did all of his stuff in pal ;) |
| [19:14:07] | stoth: | DVB-T obviously won't work. |
| [19:14:16] | benomatic: | so unless i get some sort of digital signal, i'm hosed? |
| [19:14:35] | stoth: | you looking for a dvb-t + analog encoder board? |
| [19:14:41] | wagnerrp: | you /can/ use the 4000 for analog capture, im saying you probably dont want to |
| [19:15:33] | benomatic: | if i wanted to taste the pain, where would i start? |
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| [19:15:53] | benomatic: | (i've got a little time to kill, so i'm happy to see if i can get anywhere, for a little bit.) |
| [19:15:55] | wagnerrp: | if installed properly, the card should show up at /dev/video0 |
| [19:16:06] | wagnerrp: | add it as a v4l2 tuner in mythtv |
| [19:16:55] | benomatic: | hrm. i think that was one of the enumerations i tried. would you expect channel scans to find anything? |
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| [19:20:20] | benomatic: | retried, same result, afa scan goes. |
| [19:21:13] | sphery: | remember, it's supposed to be /you/ who's tasting the pain, not wagnerrp |
| [19:21:34] | sphery: | he already told you a much better approach that's workable in minutes :) |
| [19:21:45] | sphery: | (once equipment is in hand, that is) |
| [19:23:37] | benomatic: | so pvr-{150,500} is the way |
| [19:23:48] | sphery: | it's the easiest way |
| [19:24:00] | sphery: | and the way I'd go, too |
| [19:25:03] | benomatic: | i'll have to figure out how to acquire. as a general query, any suggestions on where to read up on all the tv standards here? (dbc-{c,t,s,s2}) |
| [19:25:37] | sphery: | might be some info in the mythtv wiki ( http://wiki.mythtv.org/ ), but if not, maybe wikipedia? |
| [19:26:54] | wagnerrp: | benomatic: if you want something newer, that HVR-1300 stoth mentioned should work as an mpeg capture card |
| [19:27:12] | sphery: | and has a digital tuner for later, right? |
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| [19:27:45] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T + PAL MPEG2 hybrid |
| [19:28:10] | wagnerrp: | T is terrestrial (broadcast) |
| [19:28:15] | wagnerrp: | C is cable, and S is satellite |
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| [19:29:24] | wagnerrp: | why does he keep doing that... |
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| [19:29:39] | wagnerrp: | its like hes got a bot that does that every so many hours if he doesnt have voice |
| [19:29:40] | benomatic: | yeah, i've found that much on the wikipedia page so far. but so that i understand, the any of the digital types are sending a native mpeg(2?) signal, which the tuner card can just snag directly. analog on the other hand requires an encoder. which the 1600 must have, but can't be made to work w/ euro channels? |
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| [19:29:53] | dj_segfault: | Hey. I just noticed that my MythTV recordings drives have a WHOLE lot more space than they did a few days ago. O |
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| [19:30:20] | wagnerrp: | benomatic: digital transmissions will be either mpeg2 or h264, pre-compressed |
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| [19:30:29] | wagnerrp: | its only analog capture you have to worry about |
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| [19:30:55] | wagnerrp: | and framegrabbers are perfectly fine if youre going to be dumping those frames straight into the video card for output |
| [19:30:59] | dj_segfault: | Hey. I just noticed that my MythTV recordings drives have a WHOLE lot more space than they did a few days ago. I'm trying to track down why. One theory is that a whole bunch of stuff got "expired". When MythTV deletes things for space, does it make note of it anywhere? Is there something I can search for in my logs? |
| [19:31:13] | wagnerrp: | but when you have to deal with capture, compression, and separate handling of audio |
| [19:31:15] | wagnerrp: | it becomes a pain |
| [19:31:19] | benomatic: | so the 1600 doesn't work due to PAL vs. NTSC? but the 150/500 will do both? |
| [19:31:29] | benomatic: | (or the 1300) |
| [19:31:38] | wagnerrp: | the 150/500 will not do both |
| [19:31:46] | wagnerrp: | there are separate PAL and NTSC versions of that card |
| [19:31:51] | benomatic: | ah |
| [19:31:52] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is NTSC/ATSC only |
| [19:32:03] | wagnerrp: | the 1300 is PAL/SECAM/DVBT only |
| [19:32:33] | wagnerrp: | and while i believe the encoder chip can accept either format, i think the tuner itself can only do one of the formats |
| [19:32:45] | benomatic: | gotcha |
| [19:34:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: does the 'previously recorded' screen actually allow you to delete entries from oldrecorded? or does it just flip the duplicate bit? |
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| [19:36:21] | rfranknj: | is there a list of american cable companies and their digital encryption status anywhere? |
| [19:37:18] | wagnerrp: | rfranknj: silicon dust maintains a list of unencrypted digital cable channels, searchable by zip code |
| [19:38:08] | benomatic: | thanks for explanations. now i just need to learn dutch... |
| [19:38:25] | wagnerrp: | usually you do that /before/ moving to the netherlands |
| [19:38:40] | rfranknj: | oh, damn, i didn't notice hte selector on the top, haha. |
| [19:41:04] | benomatic: | wagnerrp: we'll have to agree to disagree. most dutch are surprised that we're learning dutch. most foreigners apparently don't even bother. |
| [19:41:33] | benomatic: | but skimming ads for used computer equipment is still easier when you speak the lang. |
| [19:43:38] | wagnerrp: | thats ridiculous, you should always learn the official language of the country you live in |
| [19:44:06] | ** wagnerrp is saying that in reference to all the asians and hispanics that dont speak a bit of english ** | |
| [19:44:48] | benomatic: | point taken ;) |
| [19:45:22] | benomatic: | hrm. 150, 500 and 1300 all available used. seems lke the 500 is best way to go: dual tuners. (the 1300 doesn't do me any good since i already have the 4k for digital.) |
| [19:45:35] | benomatic: | i shall acquire and hope. dank u wel! |
| [19:52:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, something to be said for learning by jumping in |
| [19:55:05] | benomatic: | is that said in reference to screen grab + sw encode pain? |
| [19:55:45] | kormoc: | it was used in whatever reference it was required to be used in |
| [19:55:48] | ** kormoc goes all zen ** | |
| [19:57:01] | benomatic: | my brain can't handle zen abstraction right now |
| [19:57:05] | ** benomatic goes all nutto ** | |
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| [19:59:42] | rfranknj: | if i want to be able to watch OTA ATSC HD channels and QAM HD channels, do i need two separate cards? |
| [19:59:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: allows both |
| [20:00:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also allows deleting all episodes for a title (series) |
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| [20:01:46] | sphery: | don't know if it allows allowing re-record of all episodes for a title or if you have to delete to do all of them |
| [20:02:11] | sphery: | rfranknj: see, also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [20:02:21] | sphery: | (which has a ref to the Silicon Dust site, too) |
| [20:04:47] | sphery: | rfranknj: as far as OTA and QAM, you'll almost definitely need 2 different tuners--since they're coming down 2 different lines |
| [20:05:09] | sphery: | combining is fraught with danger--especially since they're not even using the same modulation |
| [20:05:22] | sphery: | or frequency distribution |
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| [20:12:45] | awalls: | benomatic: the HVR-1600 will work for PAL and SECAM on the Composite or S-Video inputs |
| [20:12:57] | awalls: | The Analog tuner is NTSC-M |
| [20:13:05] | awalls: | The Digital Tuner is ATSC |
| [20:13:38] | awalls: | so the tuners on the HVR-1600 are likely unusable for you. |
| [20:14:54] | awalls: | Oops: The digital tuner is ATSC and North American QAM |
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| [20:42:33] | benomatic: | awalls: thanks. i'm not sure what the takeaway is, but i'm getting a 500 it appears :) |
| [20:44:53] | awalls: | Why only analog? |
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| [20:48:06] | benomatic: | that's the signal that comes w/ my apt. not even worth trying to upgrade at this point, since i may only be here for 3 months. |
| [20:50:30] | awalls: | Ah. |
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| [21:08:00] | dj_segfault: | Is there a way to turn off auto-archive? And where to you change the theshhold of when it does it? I just went away for vacation and found about 800 recordings gone!!! |
| [21:09:44] | tank-man: | maybe cause you ran out of disk space |
| [21:11:53] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [21:12:14] | dj_segfault: | It ran low, but not out. That's why I'm trying to figure out how to control it. How much it thinks is enough. I had dozens of GB left. Not a lot, but why would it delete more than it had to to record upcoming shows? |
| [21:13:04] | tank-man: | well, there is a setting to set the threshold to what you want |
| [21:13:11] | tank-man: | i don't know what the default is |
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| [21:15:43] | dj_segfault: | Couldn't find it on the wiki. Thanks. I guess I'll look again after dinner then maybe send an email to the mailing list. |
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| [21:56:04] | justinh: | been sent home. go back tomorrow morning at 10am, or when something happens. frazzled |
| [22:03:19] | bjd: | sent home from what? |
| [22:09:33] | justinh: | hospital. wife has gone in to be induced |
| [22:12:48] | justinh: | met one couple who went in at 8am yesterday. so there for >24h & still no signs of labour. not quite what I'd call encouraging, but I'm guessing it's better than a stupidly long labour |
| [22:16:38] | bjd: | oh, didn't know you had a little one on the way :) |
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| [22:18:20] | justinh: | not sure I'd call this on the way lol |
| [22:20:06] | bjd: | heh |
| [22:20:32] | bjd: | you should go sleep whilst it's quiet :) |
| [22:20:52] | iamlindoro: | Heh, well that will please people-- stoth posted a v4l tree with support for HVR-2250 analog :) |
| [22:21:27] | iamlindoro: | (Nice work!) |
| [22:21:34] | justinh: | I'll sleep when I'm ready to sleep. still feel absolutely wired & it's not even the beginning yet |
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| [23:24:02] | awalls: | justinh: Congrats. If you can't sleep, at least catch up on cleaning up, doing the laundry, stocking the home up with food, etc. |
| [23:24:16] | awalls: | You'll have no time once the new one comes home. |
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