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| [00:54:43] | sphery: | I have to wonder why, when you're watching a season of a show 2 years after it aired, it's always the most interesting episodes that were aired a half hour late (meaning you can't watch the last half). |
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| [01:16:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:17:25] | wagnerrp: | what series? |
| [01:18:33] | Beirdo: | ugh, that was a patch retrofit from hell |
| [01:19:12] | Beirdo: | a LOT has changed in the NVP/Video playback support in the last 12 months, and getting the #6824 patch to fit in... fun |
| [01:19:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: could you explain 25462? |
| [01:19:55] | Beirdo: | so hopefully one of the gurus of said code will take a good look to make sure it's right. |
| [01:20:00] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [01:20:11] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [01:20:12] | Beirdo: | sure |
| [01:20:32] | wagnerrp: | well you dont need to explain it |
| [01:20:35] | Beirdo: | it turns out there was a race condition in the startup of the downloas manager |
| [01:20:40] | wagnerrp: | just confirm its not something taht will cause me issues in the bindings |
| [01:20:42] | Beirdo: | download. |
| [01:20:46] | Beirdo: | it shouldn't |
| [01:20:47] | wagnerrp: | since i have a 'downloadTo' method |
| [01:20:50] | wagnerrp: | that uses the download manager |
| [01:21:27] | Beirdo: | the problem is that the use from loading images with MythUIImage::Load() would hit it before the manager was started, and it would segfault |
| [01:21:45] | wagnerrp: | so if the backend and frontend were started at the same time |
| [01:21:57] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend started hitting the backend for requests before it was actually ready |
| [01:21:59] | Beirdo: | what he added should make it work better, and not affect you at all, except maybe a 10ms delay the first time you download anything :) |
| [01:22:22] | Beirdo: | well, the first time I hit it with mythweather, it would barf the frontend |
| [01:23:05] | Beirdo: | I'm HOPING that that bug is fixed :) |
| [01:25:14] | Beirdo: | now time to go home and see if stuff is gonna crash |
| [01:25:18] | Beirdo: | and eat dinner, etc. :) |
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| [01:41:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: The Unit. It turns out I'm wrong, though. So far of 4 episodes. 1 started on time. One, 30min late. One, 18min late. One 45min late. |
| [01:41:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | sunday night football? |
| [01:41:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | afternoon |
| [01:41:44] | sphery: | must have been |
| [01:41:54] | sphery: | kind of makes me wonder why I'm even watching it |
| [01:41:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think we had that show setup as a 1-hour end-late because of that. |
| [01:43:01] | sphery: | had I actually watched when it was airing, I might have noticed I needed end late |
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| [01:48:25] | sphery: | woah, #5 started on time |
| [01:49:41] | sphery: | oh, and btw, Captain_Murdoch, congrats |
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| [02:04:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, thx. |
| [02:05:34] | kormoc: | oh nice |
| [02:06:07] | kormoc: | .gnu_debuglink is pretty awesome |
| [02:06:30] | sphery: | this regarding that patch? |
| [02:06:58] | kormoc: | sphery, was that to me? |
| [02:07:01] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:07:16] | sphery: | thought you were looking at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3589 |
| [02:07:19] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, ooh, and gratz and what not as well, and here's hoping the little one starts coding myth too in 15 years or so :) |
| [02:07:38] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:07:49] | wagnerrp: | gratz? we have little mad aviators running around now? |
| [02:08:08] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, just found out gentoo supports a little used feature that allows you to strip the debugging symbols out of the binaries but store them in a location that gdb can lookup on demand, best of both worlds |
| [02:08:25] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that's what I've done on my system |
| [02:08:46] | sphery: | I think that's how distros make their debug packages, too |
| [02:08:55] | kormoc: | I need to figure out why mythfilldatabase always segfaults when run by the BE and not from a shell |
| [02:08:59] | kormoc: | yeah, likely so |
| [02:09:04] | kormoc: | I just never heard of it |
| [02:09:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, Google isn't helping me with the reference |
| [02:09:29] | mzb: | I've got an interesting issue with pause of recording playback (svn trunk) |
| [02:09:31] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I never paid much attention to it until a few months ago when I decided to use it |
| [02:09:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: captain murdoch... the crazy pilot on the a-team? |
| [02:09:44] | mzb: | the only message (-v playback) is: VideoOutputXv Error: ProcessFrameXvMC: Failed to get OSD lock |
| [02:10:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, thought it was regarding grats |
| [02:10:11] | sphery: | er, gratz |
| [02:10:34] | mzb: | I've done an uninstall + dist-clean + build |
| [02:10:45] | sphery: | mzb: and what happens when it paauses? |
| [02:10:57] | sphery: | or are you saying you're getting prebuffering pauses? |
| [02:10:59] | sphery: | or? |
| [02:11:01] | mzb: | the osd flickers, cpu usage goes high |
| [02:11:29] | sphery: | mzb: I'm guessing (especially since you're using XvMC garbage) that you need to disable transparency in the OSD |
| [02:11:36] | sphery: | edit your playback profile |
| [02:11:43] | mzb: | ah, ok |
| [02:11:46] | sphery: | 2nd page of the profile editor |
| [02:11:47] | mzb: | I'll check |
| [02:12:13] | sphery: | but you may want to consider using a more useful hardware decoder, too (VDPAU) |
| [02:12:50] | mzb: | never could get vdpau to work |
| [02:12:52] | mzb: | 8400gs |
| [02:13:06] | mzb: | I can't see a transparency setting there |
| [02:13:19] | sphery: | might be fade or something |
| [02:13:23] | Shadow__X: | hey kormoc where you able to get a successful frontend build on os x? and have jpeg working? |
| [02:13:34] | sphery: | don't know if 8400gs has support |
| [02:13:39] | sphery: | (for vdpau) |
| [02:13:46] | mzb: | yes, I've disabled OSD fade due to the problem |
| [02:13:50] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, not yet, QT was being weird... |
| [02:13:54] | mzb: | no different |
| [02:14:26] | sphery: | and you really need xvmc? |
| [02:14:27] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: oh ok. Well to get you upto date i am able to get a successful build but, Still can not get jpegs to load |
| [02:14:32] | sphery: | can't do software decode? |
| [02:14:47] | mzb: | ok, I'll just do standard then? |
| [02:15:05] | sphery: | Xv would likely work fine |
| [02:15:12] | sphery: | XvMC is so, like, 1995 :) |
| [02:15:18] | mzb: | :) |
| [02:15:27] | mzb: | libmpeg2? |
| [02:15:35] | sphery: | ffmpeg/standard is better |
| [02:15:49] | mzb: | k |
| [02:15:51] | sphery: | libmpeg2 breaks a lot of stuff (captions, potentially decoding and playback, ...) |
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| [02:16:06] | mzb: | only video renderer available is directfb |
| [02:16:17] | mzb: | (for Standard decoder) |
| [02:16:31] | sphery: | what are the options? |
| [02:16:48] | mzb: | Decoder of renderer? |
| [02:16:50] | mzb: | s/ro |
| [02:16:52] | mzb: | s/or |
| [02:16:52] | sphery: | decoder |
| [02:17:28] | mzb: | Standard, libmpeg2, Standard XvMC, Via XvMC |
| [02:17:41] | mzb: | um |
| [02:17:44] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [02:17:55] | mzb: | now it says xv-blit _is_ available ... odd |
| [02:18:00] | sphery: | ah, good |
| [02:18:10] | sphery: | there are, er, issues with the playback profile editor |
| [02:18:22] | mzb: | :) |
| [02:18:30] | sphery: | dead code that no one cares to fix, though--especially since fixing it would mean a ton of work |
| [02:18:33] | mzb: | ok, primary/secondary deint? |
| [02:18:37] | mzb: | sure |
| [02:18:40] | sphery: | those are up to you |
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| [02:18:51] | sphery: | kernel and linearblend and onefield are low-resource |
| [02:18:59] | sphery: | all the 2x ones are higher resource |
| [02:19:08] | sphery: | some could choke a pretty hefty processor |
| [02:19:24] | mzb: | s939 amd x2 4400+ |
| [02:19:29] | mzb: | looking good now |
| [02:19:29] | sphery: | I'd recommend starting with kernel/linear and working your way up |
| [02:19:35] | mzb: | (ie: pause works) |
| [02:19:38] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:19:41] | mzb: | that's what I started with |
| [02:19:46] | sphery: | good plan :) |
| [02:19:52] | mzb: | thanks for that, I'll keep experimenting |
| [02:19:59] | sphery: | good luck and enjoy |
| [02:20:06] | mzb: | :) |
| [02:20:25] | mzb: | "position" info now has colour scale ... much better |
| [02:20:54] | sphery: | yeah, XvMC is limited |
| [02:21:04] | sphery: | I still hope we can rip it out |
| [02:21:04] | mzb: | k, now I'll see if nuv's work |
| [02:21:19] | mzb: | (WAF---- yesterday) |
| [02:21:38] | mzb: | (I compress most of her crappy shows;)) |
| [02:22:15] | mzb: | quite high cpu during playback ... I assume that's mostly the deint |
| [02:22:27] | mzb: | (30% for SD!) |
| [02:26:36] | mzb: | Bob2X brings it down to ~10% ... we'll see |
| [02:26:51] | mzb: | (hardly ever watch HD content) |
| [02:31:27] | kormoc: | you can setup multiple profiles so if you need XvMC for hd, you can |
| [02:33:22] | mzb: | sure |
| [02:33:52] | mzb: | is there any advantage with the opengl renderer? |
| [02:34:26] | mzb: | brings cpu up to about 18% |
| [02:35:48] | mzb: | hmm, although now it's crept up |
| [02:38:15] | mzb: | OSD appears to flicker slightly |
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| [02:41:15] | mzb: | (using softblend, and regardless of OSD-fade setting) |
| [02:42:21] | mzb: | chromakey does the same ... looking at deint |
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| [02:43:17] | mzb: | ah, ok |
| [02:43:23] | mzb: | Kernel2x much better |
| [02:47:14] | mzb: | Greed2X looks nice ... not sure if I can see a difference to K2x |
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| [02:49:38] | mzb: | hmm Yadif2X ~50% ... a bit high |
| [02:51:21] | kormoc: | it's only checking the next 2 and previous 2 frames, detecting motion and recovering spatial information, that can't possibly be why it uses so much cpu :P |
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| [02:52:02] | mzb: | 42–50% |
| [02:52:29] | mzb: | it does look pretty good |
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| [02:53:08] | kormoc: | personally, who cares if it uses 10%, 20% or 50% of the cpu? if it plays a-ok and looks good? use it imho |
| [02:53:14] | mzb: | tested with Targa Tasmania (some shots of cars from helicopter;) ... and Life (David Att.) |
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| [02:53:19] | mzb: | yeah, sure |
| [02:53:34] | kormoc: | but then I have cores to spare, so YMMV |
| [02:53:35] | mzb: | I was just thinking 'what am I saving the CPU for?' ;)) |
| [02:54:28] | mzb: | hmm ... perhaps should have avoided 'Life' ... 5yo wants to watch the dolphins now ;) |
| [02:54:30] | mzb: | ah well |
| [02:54:53] | Beirdo: | I wish I were a baseball pitcher |
| [02:55:13] | Beirdo: | there's a car out there beeping away (alarm) that could use some fastballs to the windows |
| [02:55:42] | Beirdo: | beeeep beeeep beeepp SMASH! beeep beeep |
| [02:56:35] | kormoc: | Beirdo, have any old computer equipment you don't want anymore? Easy way to recycle |
| [02:57:27] | mzb: | potato in the exhaust? (Won't stop the beeping, though;)) |
| [02:57:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: agreed, as long as it requires <100%, it doesnt really make much difference |
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| [02:59:37] | mzb: | I was just concerned about the possibility of playback issues with cpu > 30–50% |
| [03:00:11] | wagnerrp: | that depends on how you measure percentage |
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| [03:00:40] | wagnerrp: | if 100% the full processor? or the full core? |
| [03:00:53] | Beirdo: | kormoc: not at the moment, I wish |
| [03:00:57] | Beirdo: | actually... |
| [03:01:03] | mzb: | % of the process (top) |
| [03:01:12] | Beirdo: | hehe, my OLD mythbox would make a good projectile, come to think of it |
| [03:01:20] | mzb: | (and comparing with gkrellm) |
| [03:01:42] | mzb: | still haven't managed to get video with nuv playback (audio works) |
| [03:01:50] | mzb: | ==> just a black/blank screen |
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| [03:37:21] | sphery: | "The episode you can't miss. Next week on CBS." So, of course, that episode starts 26min late |
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| [03:39:52] | Beirdo: | aaaaaargh! |
| [03:40:10] | Beirdo: | my DSL or something is being an extreme PITA again |
| [03:40:47] | sphery: | you're not popping in and out of here... |
| [03:40:53] | sphery: | just short problems? |
| [03:41:01] | Beirdo: | that's because this is off my linode |
| [03:41:11] | sphery: | oh |
| [03:41:16] | Beirdo: | but my ssh TO the linode's dropped about 10 times since I was home |
| [03:41:23] | sphery: | :( |
| [03:41:26] | sphery: | never fun |
| [03:41:31] | Beirdo: | making me very unhappy |
| [03:41:49] | sphery: | maybe it's them setting up an intercept on all your communications |
| [03:41:53] | Beirdo: | and all other connections are going up and down like the proverbial cheap whore too |
| [03:41:57] | sphery: | (maybe I've been watching too much The Unit) |
| [03:42:07] | sphery: | (well, halves of The Unit) |
| [03:42:33] | Beirdo: | [25465] |
| [03:42:36] | Beirdo: | niiiice |
| [03:43:02] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:44:21] | sphery: | heh, browser scroll failure... I have mouse scroll failures |
| [03:44:42] | sphery: | made me submit a change to a ticket half way through the changing |
| [03:44:48] | Beirdo: | my mouse cursor was over the pulldown |
| [03:45:06] | Beirdo: | zipped the wheel to scroll and it changed the value :) |
| [03:45:22] | Beirdo: | didn't really notice until after submitting |
| [03:46:49] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how much charge you could build up dropping a wire through the cracks... http://gizmodo.com/5599085 |
| [03:47:22] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, stop recording already so I can try danielk's commflagging patch (with my shoehorning to trunk) |
| [03:50:45] | Beirdo: | I guess I should compile that mess |
| [03:50:50] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:51:05] | Beirdo: | that patch plus #6719 and #6611 |
| [03:52:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I see the cables |
| [03:52:56] | sphery: | bottom pic, bottom left corner |
| [03:53:09] | Beirdo: | I see dead people... oh wait, that's something else |
| [03:53:29] | sphery: | and, less contrast on the left side in the 2 cracks from top |
| [03:54:19] | sphery: | until they get the electromagnetic version without cables, I'm not interested. |
| [03:54:28] | sphery: | though changing the batteries in my table would be annoying |
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| [03:54:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, apparently 64 all told holding it together |
| [03:55:04] | wagnerrp: | but apparently theyre placed in such a way that you can rearrange parts of it |
| [03:55:21] | sphery: | yeah, I was disappointed they didn't show other designs |
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| [03:58:03] | [R]: | i always giggle about NuppelVideoPlayer |
| [03:59:08] | wagnerrp: | hey, someone get the prod, hes out of his box again |
| [03:59:20] | [R]: | lol |
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| [04:02:38] | ** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the cattle prod ** | |
| [04:05:06] | ** wagnerrp prods the nuppel... video player... ** | |
| [04:05:24] | Beirdo: | owww, my nuppels |
| [04:06:47] | Beirdo: | avformatdecoder.cpp:566: error: âclass MythContextâ has no member named âGetNumSettingâ |
| [04:06:51] | Beirdo: | boom |
| [04:07:09] | Beirdo: | OK, my version of the patch needs some work |
| [04:07:54] | mzb: | hmm, DPMS is going funny |
| [04:08:17] | Beirdo: | OK, that was easy |
| [04:08:24] | Beirdo: | gContext is now gCoreContext |
| [04:08:43] | mzb: | I've got DPMS enabled in xorg.conf, with (for eg) settings in ServerFlags for Option "StandbyTime" "180" |
| [04:08:54] | mzb: | but with the update, that is now not working |
| [04:09:09] | mzb: | and appears to turn the screen off after about 20mins |
| [04:09:20] | mzb: | is there a proper way to set/fix this? |
| [04:09:22] | wagnerrp: | i should try to get standby from the remote working again |
| [04:09:30] | wagnerrp: | it used to work on an old install |
| [04:09:41] | Beirdo: | mzb: update of what? |
| [04:09:47] | wagnerrp: | but for some reason now when i enable Wake-On-USB, the machine will never enter standby |
| [04:10:01] | mzb: | since my update to current trunk yesterday |
| [04:10:09] | mzb: | (it was a month or two old) |
| [04:10:17] | Beirdo: | is that all that was updated? |
| [04:10:39] | mzb: | um ... no, I updated the system recently as well (squeeze) |
| [04:10:44] | Beirdo: | right |
| [04:10:53] | Beirdo: | I'd bet that that is a system screensaver issue |
| [04:10:58] | Beirdo: | not even DPMS |
| [04:11:17] | mzb: | don't have one installed |
| [04:11:38] | mzb: | xset -q shows: |
| [04:11:41] | mzb: | Standby: 1200 Suspend: 1800 Off: 2400 |
| [04:11:51] | mzb: | DPMS is Enabled |
| [04:12:19] | mzb: | and the frontend log shows various DPMS-related things like: |
| [04:12:22] | mzb: | ScreenSaverX11Private: DPMS Deactivated 1 |
| [04:12:24] | Beirdo: | well ya found your 20min |
| [04:12:32] | mzb: | ScreenSaverX11Private: DPMS Reactivated 1 |
| [04:12:32] | Beirdo: | OK, heh, I dunno |
| [04:13:01] | mzb: | it's playing atm, and DPMS is enabled |
| [04:13:30] | mzb: | maybe I should _disable_ in xorg and see what happens? ;) |
| [04:13:44] | Beirdo: | heh, might as well |
| [04:14:04] | Beirdo: | my screen saver is the TV's power button |
| [04:14:18] | mzb: | meh :) |
| [04:14:29] | mzb: | LCD monitor |
| [04:14:38] | mzb: | no remote + lazy |
| [04:14:42] | Beirdo: | same difference |
| [04:14:56] | Beirdo: | but yeah, seems to be acting oddly to be sure |
| [04:14:59] | wagnerrp: | i use the 'sleep' button on my keyboard |
| [04:15:18] | Beirdo: | oh I HATE that Quizno's commercial |
| [04:15:42] | Beirdo: | I should transcode it to something small to send to justinh so he can experience its suckiness |
| [04:15:45] | wagnerrp: | cant be worse then their old dead gerbil one |
| [04:15:57] | Beirdo: | the singing kittens? |
| [04:16:03] | Beirdo: | I think it's worse |
| [04:17:28] | wagnerrp: | worse than these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZrks-BPeLQ |
| [04:18:16] | wagnerrp: | hmm... its a toss up |
| [04:18:25] | wagnerrp: | i think the kitten ones are equally awful |
| [04:18:57] | mzb: | setting off in xorg.conf doesn't appear to work, trying xset -dpms |
| [04:19:43] | mzb: | ah ... hang on ... fe is now toggling it properly |
| [04:20:21] | kormoc: | Beirdo, there's a worse version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3y6DAeK_A |
| [04:21:23] | mzb: | ok, so DPMS now needs to be "DISABLED" in xorg.conf (not the default) ... and the FE toggles during playback |
| [04:21:37] | Beirdo: | my connection's too borked to use youtube right now |
| [04:21:39] | mzb: | ie: by default the screen will turn off _during_ playback ;)) hehe |
| [04:21:57] | kormoc: | mzb, that likely deserves a ticket |
| [04:22:19] | mzb: | ok, can do |
| [04:22:29] | mzb: | attached to anything else, or a new one? |
| [04:23:19] | kormoc: | do a quick search to make sure it's not there already and if not, a new ticket I'd say |
| [04:23:38] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, that's the crappy one that's been polluting my TV |
| [04:24:02] | [R]: | omg, has anyone here seen Modern Family |
| [04:24:05] | Beirdo: | justinh: you wanna see a crappy commercial, checkout that youtube that kormoc posted |
| [04:24:07] | [R]: | its like the funniest show since forever |
| [04:24:23] | kormoc: | [R], lies! Better off Ted wins |
| [04:24:36] | wagnerrp: | i stopped watching it after the half hour iPad ad |
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| [04:25:03] | [R]: | kormoc: never saw it |
| [04:25:08] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that one was funny |
| [04:25:48] | kormoc: | [R], you missed out on funny and happiness wrapped up in a neat 22 minute show |
| [04:25:57] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:27:54] | kormoc: | "Faster than a cheetah. More powerful than? another cheetah..." |
| [04:29:02] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it gets dark whenever you leave the channel... |
| [04:29:33] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [04:30:10] | Beirdo: | wonder how far I can throw that DSL modem? |
| [04:30:24] | Beirdo: | it needs to stop sucking |
| [04:31:10] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yours ever given you stability issues like this? I think we have the same model |
| [04:31:26] | mzb: | hard to say if some of the older tickets don't apply, although most of them appear to be screensaver-related |
| [04:31:31] | mzb: | (gnome, for eg) |
| [04:31:42] | kormoc: | Beirdo, define stability issues? |
| [04:31:56] | Beirdo: | it seems to want to drop the wireless repeatedly |
| [04:32:24] | Beirdo: | might be overheating, but it's not THAT warm in here |
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| [04:32:53] | kormoc: | I don't use it for wireless, I have mine setup to forward everything to the airport extreme and the airport extreme even handles the PPPTP login |
| [04:32:54] | Beirdo: | one way or the other, it just drops my connections at odd times |
| [04:33:02] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [04:33:04] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:33:57] | ** wagnerrp wonders what 'despair' tastes like ** | |
| [04:34:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, dry tears |
| [04:34:09] | Beirdo: | taste? |
| [04:34:26] | Beirdo: | probably coppery... like blood |
| [04:34:31] | wagnerrp: | that would explain why more salt wouldnt help |
| [04:34:53] | kormoc: | Beirdo, Blood tastes like juice |
| [04:35:11] | Beirdo: | hehe. OK, Mr. Vampire |
| [04:36:01] | kormoc: | http://video.adultswim.com/aqua-teen-hunger-f . . . d-pansy.html |
| [04:36:46] | kormoc: | The very end is the part, say inbetween the endless and the full screen buttons |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | whos the new guy? |
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| [04:38:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the monster? he was only there for the one episode |
| [04:38:51] | wagnerrp: | the turnip spider? |
| [04:38:56] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [04:42:06] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [04:42:12] | mzb: | and it's just turned off again |
| [04:42:13] | mzb: | wtf? |
| [04:42:16] | mzb: | 8704 |
| [04:42:26] | mzb: | just as I submitted the ticket! |
| [04:42:27] | mzb: | lol |
| [04:43:59] | mzb: | interestingly enough, I did xset -dpms in a console (with DISPLAY exported) ==> the LCD power light went green but the display was still black |
| [04:46:14] | mzb: | now I can't get it to do livetv at all |
| [04:46:15] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [04:47:47] | sphery: | mzb: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8684 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8639 |
| [04:48:54] | mzb: | yes sphery, both of those appear (to me) to be xscreensaver/gnome-screensaver related, right? |
| [04:49:10] | sphery: | #8684 is dpms |
| [04:49:32] | mzb: | ah, behaviour is different between livetv and watch recording |
| [04:49:42] | mzb: | so: |
| [04:49:56] | mzb: | FE toggles DPMS |
| [04:50:03] | mzb: | recording playback toggles DPMS |
| [04:50:11] | mzb: | livetv doesn't touch DPMS |
| [04:50:52] | sphery: | so is yours a dup? |
| [04:51:07] | wagnerrp: | fireflies are the flaming plates of the insect world |
| [04:51:21] | mzb: | hang on |
| [04:52:23] | mzb: | yeah ... possibly |
| [04:52:37] | mzb: | (I had missed the livetv distinction until now) |
| [04:53:40] | ** kormoc misses fireflies ** | |
| [04:53:49] | ** kormoc also misses firefly ** | |
| [04:54:09] | sphery: | now I miss firefly |
| [04:54:17] | sphery: | Serenity now! |
| [04:54:48] | mzb: | sphery, should I add my 2cents to 8684 and delete 8704? |
| [04:55:08] | sphery: | I'll close 8704 |
| [04:55:17] | sphery: | if you have additional debug for 8684, it's good |
| [04:55:20] | mzb: | ok, thanks |
| [04:55:25] | sphery: | if it's just a me too or patch works, then the list would be best |
| [04:55:47] | sphery: | thanks for following up |
| [04:57:32] | ** wagnerrp misses firesquirrel ** | |
| [04:57:49] | wagnerrp: | it was never the same after it went mad, due to its lack of sleep from never stopping glowing |
| [04:58:10] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:58:18] | kormoc: | I loved that show |
| [04:58:33] | ** mzb wonders why you wouldn't disable DPMS during livetv ** | |
| [04:58:51] | kormoc: | mzb, people keep falling sleep with the tv on |
| [04:59:02] | Beirdo: | kormoc: with #6824 patch in... my mythbox is doing 60fps or so commflagging 1080i H.264 |
| [04:59:10] | Beirdo: | instead of 20ish |
| [04:59:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: a single "patch works" is fine :) |
| [05:00:07] | Beirdo: | heh, but not 20 people saying it |
| [05:00:21] | kormoc: | Beirdo, is that a unified patch? |
| [05:00:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what CPU? |
| [05:00:43] | wagnerrp: | certainly not your P-D |
| [05:00:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, with one mistake in it as I didn't compile first |
| [05:00:54] | Beirdo: | yes, the Pentium-D |
| [05:00:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:01:15] | Beirdo: | down to 47fps |
| [05:01:21] | Beirdo: | but still... impressive |
| [05:01:33] | mzb: | kormoc, sure ... but what if I want (live)tv to be on all day? |
| [05:01:52] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:02:10] | mzb: | that patch just isn't right |
| [05:02:30] | kormoc: | Beirdo, yeah... patch doesn't like your patch |
| [05:02:38] | kormoc: | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| [05:02:38] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [05:02:49] | Beirdo: | get a better patch :) |
| [05:02:57] | Beirdo: | that's output from git format-patch :) |
| [05:03:02] | Beirdo: | remove the email header |
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| [05:03:05] | mzb: | one that removes it? ;) |
| [05:03:07] | Beirdo: | I keep forgetting |
| [05:03:27] | mzb: | I could set the timeout to hour(s) ... but then it'll take hour(s) to turn the screen off at night |
| [05:03:35] | mzb: | (when sitting in the menu) |
| [05:03:43] | wagnerrp: | it seems like all it does is disable the deblocker |
| [05:03:59] | kormoc: | yeah, that did it |
| [05:04:01] | wagnerrp: | surely that couldnt account for /that/ much of a gain in performance |
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| [05:04:30] | Beirdo: | patch 2.6–2ubuntu1 likes those patches just fine |
| [05:04:43] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I dunno, but there it is |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, yeah, I didn't remove enough of the header, tis all |
| [05:05:28] | Beirdo: | when I use it, I don't remove any headers, but you're not the first to say it |
| [05:06:20] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:06:25] | ** Beirdo shrugs too ** | |
| [05:06:39] | kormoc: | and it fails to compile |
| [05:06:43] | Beirdo: | anyways, find the one gContext left over, change it to gCoreContext |
| [05:06:56] | Beirdo: | did you not read my comments in the ticket? :) |
| [05:06:58] | kormoc: | vformatdecoder.cpp:566: error: ?class MythContext? has no member named ?GetNumSetting? |
| [05:07:09] | Beirdo: | that would be the one |
| [05:07:16] | kormoc: | kk |
| [05:07:31] | kormoc: | I don't read tickets! That's for those developer folks! Erm... |
| [05:07:33] | Beirdo: | I'll go make a new patch with that fixed, I guess |
| [05:07:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:08:45] | kormoc: | and I have to set a setting in the db for it to take effect eh? |
| [05:09:16] | Beirdo: | Umm, I didn't yet |
| [05:09:54] | kormoc: | yeah, you do |
| [05:10:10] | Beirdo: | dangit, I'm running with it not completely turned on, and it already sped up? |
| [05:10:10] | kormoc: | int x = gCoreContext->GetNumSetting("CommFlagFast", 0); if (x)... |
| [05:10:13] | Beirdo: | that sounds wrong |
| [05:11:06] | Beirdo: | ahhhh |
| [05:11:14] | mzb: | ok, I've added a comment to 8684 ... that's about the best I can do atm |
| [05:11:16] | Beirdo: | in main.cpp it sets it to a default |
| [05:11:24] | mzb: | can't think of an alternative solution |
| [05:11:27] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [05:12:19] | Beirdo: | and overrides it with that setting, it seems |
| [05:12:24] | Beirdo: | OK, that makes more sense |
| [05:12:45] | mzb: | I guess I can do "xset +dpms" as a livetv-start-event ;) |
| [05:13:00] | Beirdo: | 2010-07–28 21:43:17.796 commflagging_speedups: 11 |
| [05:14:08] | Beirdo: | have to see what accuracy it gives |
| [05:14:10] | mzb: | s/-dpms |
| [05:14:36] | Beirdo: | but it's still above real time |
| [05:14:52] | Beirdo: | at 34fps now (44% through) |
| [05:16:34] | mzb: | err ... I'm guessing events are called prior to DPMS setting |
| [05:17:08] | wagnerrp: | isnt realtime 60fps? |
| [05:17:20] | Beirdo: | not on 1080i |
| [05:17:23] | wagnerrp: | is it counting frames or fields? |
| [05:17:45] | Beirdo: | 30fps |
| [05:18:10] | Beirdo: | 720p is 60fps |
| [05:18:16] | Beirdo: | or am I on crack again? |
| [05:18:29] | wagnerrp: | theyre both 60 fields per second |
| [05:18:41] | wagnerrp: | but 1080i60 is only 30 frames per second |
| [05:18:54] | Beirdo: | right |
| [05:19:20] | Beirdo: | I would assume it's counting frames not fields |
| [05:19:38] | Beirdo: | but if not, meh, it's still over twice as fast as before :) |
| [05:23:57] | mzb: | nope, that doesn't work ... even with a fork+delay |
| [05:25:05] | kormoc: | erm |
| [05:25:24] | kormoc: | castle was commflagging at ~30 fps, it's now going at ~370 |
| [05:25:27] | wagnerrp: | once a show is recorded, i can alter the recorded entry with impunity, right? |
| [05:25:51] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, afaik, aye |
| [05:26:06] | wagnerrp: | aside from the chanid/starttime/basename, nothing i change should break things? |
| [05:26:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, afaik, aye |
| [05:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i just came across some code i apparently wrote months ago, for pulling tmdb/ttvdb data into recordings |
| [05:27:08] | kormoc: | and top chef is reporting 1068 fps |
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| [05:27:29] | wagnerrp: | youre recording castle? |
| [05:27:39] | wagnerrp: | or you just reran the commflagger on an old recording? |
| [05:27:51] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you make me want to steal your computer :) |
| [05:27:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:27:56] | kormoc: | Aye, I just recoded a castle episode |
| [05:28:03] | wagnerrp: | isnt the season over? |
| [05:28:13] | kormoc: | likely, but I missed a bunch evidently |
| [05:28:18] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [05:28:44] | Beirdo: | I missed many as it was in my myth-free period |
| [05:28:52] | mzb: | err ... ok, maybe I haven't had enough caffeine|alcohol today |
| [05:29:06] | mzb: | I had assumed that patch _had_ been applied to trunk |
| [05:29:47] | ** wagnerrp is really itching to move back to trunk... ** | |
| [05:30:02] | Beirdo: | dooo eeeet |
| [05:35:15] | Beirdo: | trunk is fun |
| [05:35:51] | mzb: | corrected my comment on 8684 |
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| [05:50:10] | ** Beirdo is the trunk pusher... especially for devs :) ** | |
| [05:50:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:50:57] | Beirdo: | so I think I'll look at that commskip for UPnP bug, having chatted with cdev a bit |
| [05:51:23] | Beirdo: | well, patch more than bug :) |
| [05:55:21] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [05:55:40] | Beirdo: | toook JUST over an hour to commflag a 1h show |
| [05:55:49] | Beirdo: | including the logo scan |
| [05:56:03] | Beirdo: | 9:43–10:55 |
| [05:56:49] | Beirdo: | found 4 commercial breaks |
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| [06:01:01] | Beirdo: | the breaks were mostly right too |
| [06:01:18] | Beirdo: | will require tweaking, but I'm OK with it for my uses so far |
| [06:04:09] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I'm stealing #3580 from ya |
| [06:04:41] | Beirdo: | you can steal it back later should you want it back :) |
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| [07:19:53] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you rule :) |
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| [07:34:16] | oobe: | I have somthing wierd happening I tuned in a new digital channel works fine can watch live tv and schedule some recordings but a certain show never records in the backend it seems to think it created the file but then it goes missing so it appears in the recordings list but the file cannot be found here is the backend log of the recording starting http://pastebin.ca/1910768 looks normal to me and here is the pastebin of the file not being found http |
| [07:34:16] | oobe: | ://pastebin.ca/1910770 |
| [07:36:25] | wagnerrp: | are you sure that channel still exists in that location? |
| [07:36:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe you need to rescan to pick up a channel move |
| [07:36:53] | wagnerrp: | oh, its only a certain show, not a whole channel |
| [07:36:59] | wagnerrp: | same show always? |
| [07:39:54] | oobe: | yea |
| [07:40:07] | oobe: | wierd |
| [07:40:20] | oobe: | i deleted that schedule and rescheduled it |
| [07:40:42] | oobe: | then tested other shows on same channel using same sort of scheduling scheme and it worked |
| [07:41:47] | oobe: | tommorow or the day after its airing during the day maybe it will record ok then |
| [07:42:10] | oobe: | perhaps its got a weaker signal or somthing at the same time each 2 am period but i doubt it |
| [07:42:22] | oobe: | actually no it would just have artifacts |
| [07:47:03] | wagnerrp: | nothing in the backend logs at time of recording to indicate some sort of problem? |
| [07:47:38] | oobe: | not that i can see |
| [07:47:45] | oobe: | i pasted what i thought was relevent |
| [07:47:51] | oobe: | if you want to see me let me know |
| [07:47:54] | oobe: | http://pastebin.ca/1910768 |
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| [07:55:43] | simonckenyon: | where in the UI do you specify the OSD theme. can't find it anymore (in trunk) |
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| [07:56:32] | wagnerrp: | the OSD and UI theme are now rolled into one |
| [07:57:13] | simonckenyon: | so it is a package deal? rats! |
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| [07:58:23] | wagnerrp: | note that the old OSDs do not work any longer |
| [07:58:32] | wagnerrp: | so there's probably only one or two OSDs to choose from anyway |
| [07:59:13] | wagnerrp: | i think Arclight has its own, and the rest fall through to the default |
| [08:03:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: just so you know... applying a patch from 0.20-fixes to trunk... painful endeavor |
| [08:03:38] | wagnerrp: | i think you mentioned that already |
| [08:03:38] | Beirdo: | oh, and also... Qwest DSL is being flaky as a pie crust tonight |
| [08:03:48] | Beirdo: | it's not the wireless, it's dropping DSL link |
| [08:04:56] | ** wagnerrp rediscovered function pointers tonight ** | |
| [08:08:30] | Beirdo: | cool ;0 |
| [08:09:58] | simonckenyon: | wagnerrp: thanks for the explanation. thought it was just my bad memory when i could not find the option. had to go and get a coffee to recover :-) |
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| [08:10:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the OSD had a big rewrite a couple months ago, and one of the decisions was to make the OSD tied into the UI theme |
| [08:10:58] | wagnerrp: | since there are planned to be bits mixed between the two |
| [08:11:19] | wagnerrp: | various widgets, like a video window, info popups, etc... |
| [08:13:00] | simonckenyon: | problem will come when a nice theme has a sucky osd and vice versa |
| [08:13:57] | wagnerrp: | well then it comes down to going into the theme, stripping out one file, and replacing it with another |
| [08:17:12] | wagnerrp: | hopefully the theming community will pick up once the theme downloader and webpage is in place |
| [08:17:17] | wagnerrp: | so there will be more to choose from |
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| [08:17:30] | justinh: | pfff. all the effort people go to to make stuff consistent & this is the thanks they get |
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| [08:17:54] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah and hopefull they won't just be stupid rehashes of existing themes |
| [08:17:59] | justinh: | *hopefully |
| [08:17:59] | simonckenyon: | justinh: that directed at me? |
| [08:18:09] | Beirdo: | bleh |
| [08:18:16] | Beirdo: | compile failures galore |
| [08:18:24] | Beirdo: | screw this, it will wait for tomorrow |
| [08:18:29] | justinh: | having seen arclight I don't think for a minute its osd would suck |
| [08:18:51] | justinh: | the mythbuntu one on the other hand.. now there's something which could use some more opacity |
| [08:18:55] | Beirdo: | having seen an arclight, you are now undoubtedly blind |
| [08:19:32] | justinh: | I have theming glasses. they're more like welding goggles than anything else ;) |
| [08:19:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that hard UV doesnt do an eye good |
| [08:19:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:20:09] | Beirdo: | it got as far as upnpcdstv.cpp this time |
| [08:20:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:20:35] | justinh: | less choice might *sound* like a bad idea now but if we're to effectively reduce the number of settings there's no way around it |
| [08:21:33] | justinh: | now I'm back on the compiling wagon I'll be able to start making some more changes of my own :) |
| [08:22:32] | Beirdo: | no choice for you! |
| [08:22:43] | Beirdo: | sphery is the settings nazi |
| [08:23:20] | justinh: | what's happening with settings stuff then – are folks converting them to mythui or is the plan still a resolute web-ui it? |
| [08:23:43] | Beirdo: | yet to be dected |
| [08:23:47] | Beirdo: | decided |
| [08:24:03] | Beirdo: | stupid brain/finger communication fail |
| [08:24:18] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:24:23] | justinh: | PEBCAK ;) |
| [08:25:24] | Beirdo: | where C = couch :) |
| [08:25:42] | wagnerrp: | no, C is always cookie |
| [08:26:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:26:21] | Beirdo: | that's good enough for me |
| [08:28:53] | justinh: | oh gawd, another 3 people signed up to notifications from my site.. with mis-spelled email addresses. this cannot continue to go unpunished |
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| [08:53:35] | justinh: | ouch. last Q electricity bill was £133 :-O |
| [08:54:33] | justinh: | 1064 Normal kWh (kilowatt-hours) used |
| [08:56:17] | justinh: | that's like a constant 521W. need to do more to reduce the house's idle consumption methinks |
| [09:02:51] | justinh: | wonder if I could run nxserver on a linux appliance |
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| [09:05:54] | Beirdo: | oy! |
| [09:06:16] | Beirdo: | I think I can finally check this changeset into git locally |
| [09:06:42] | Beirdo: | I got a bit of a second wind there |
| [09:07:00] | Beirdo: | and yeah, a chunk of it will need rewriting or it won't work |
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| [09:07:25] | AndyCap: | justinh: how much is the actual idle consumption? |
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| [09:08:00] | Beirdo: | it should be using recordedseek to get the byte offsets, not hacking a calculation based on 29.97fps |
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| [09:09:32] | AndyCap: | I should really cut down my power consumption. |
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| [09:12:05] | AndyCap: | especially since I'm slightly above last years use |
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| [09:26:28] | justinh: | AndyCap: dunno, not checked up on it for a while |
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| [09:31:01] | justinh: | much lower than it used to be though, bill wise so we're doing something right |
| [09:36:50] | justinh: | ow. 250W on 24/7 for a month at 10.58 pence per kWh is still £20 |
| [09:37:30] | justinh: | might be time to call in the standby police & shut the backend down nightly. since I knocked my stupid late nights on the head maybe not a bad idea |
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| [09:45:31] | Jay2k1: | i like the auto-shutdown/auto-wakeup method |
| [09:47:14] | justinh: | yeh & now my frontend has a disk inside I'd be able to WoL the backend too |
| [09:47:49] | justinh: | but then I'll have to go cold turkey on my daily fix of IRC |
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| [10:11:57] | gbee: | I've made pretty much all the changes I can to reduce the power bill, especially when it comes to the computers but I'm still not putting them in standby or shutting them down, I just don't trust it to work properly |
| [10:14:36] | gbee: | considering trialling shutting the production backend down between 1am and 6am if the board supports RTC wakeup |
| [10:18:14] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: same here. Iv'e reduced my PC's down and now am setting up the shutdown/wol stuff |
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| [10:19:48] | GreyFoxx: | I figure I can get several of the PC's to be off most of the day, leaving just the fileserver/firewall/masterbackend running all the time |
| [10:20:25] | GreyFoxx: | and the frontends can already wakeup/shutdown via the remotes. I just need to train my family to turn them off :) |
| [10:20:39] | gbee: | justinh: does your Virgin STB automatically go into standby after a period of inactivity? Mine doesn't, nor can I find an option to do it, but I'd like one that does |
| [10:21:45] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: that reminds me, I was going to add an idle shutdown timer to mythfrontend as a step towards replacing mythwelcome |
| [10:23:03] | gbee: | I don't know that I want to be starting up the machines from cold to use them, mythbuntu boots too slowly, hence the idea of shutting them off only when they definately won't be used |
| [10:24:29] | gbee: | I've never had a good experience with sleep on linux, there is always something that does work right |
| [10:25:01] | gbee: | but I might play with it again to see if things have improved in the last 18 months |
| [10:32:34] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I was thining of doing something like that to auto shutdown the TV's if it detects no activity on the FE (been paused for 30 minutes + or idle at a menu for 10+ minutes) but only if the TV is on a specific input. Cause I wouldn't want to turn it off while it's on another input playing games or something :) |
| [10:32:47] | GreyFoxx: | I can detect if the TV is on over the serial port, but so far not the input :) |
| [10:35:44] | gbee: | don't think my tv is that clever, but it usually gets turned off anyway, it's the STBs and MythTV box which get ignored |
| [10:37:37] | GreyFoxx: | My wife and kid have a habit of leaving the TV on (my wife more than my kid) :) |
| [10:37:59] | GreyFoxx: | and I can control it over the serial port, but "asking" it stuff I haven't figured out how to do :) |
| [10:56:12] | justinh: | gbee: no it doesn't. think I might put it on the standby saver. That should save 20W or so |
| [10:56:41] | justinh: | gbee: FYI my frontend based on ubuntu boots in under 30s |
| [10:57:12] | justinh: | and that's without really tinkering with the boot process. shaving crap like the redundant input devices etc might take some more off |
| [10:58:07] | justinh: | oh yeah and that's using gnome too |
| [10:58:28] | justinh: | it ain't really broke & it's fast enough for us |
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| [11:09:08] | gbee: | justinh: I've not timed it, but mine feels longer than that |
| [11:09:32] | gbee: | but I'm comparing it against my other machines like this mandriva one which is _fast_ |
| [11:11:18] | gbee: | it's still a delay which might be intolerable, so I'll concentrate on saving the power when it's really not needed and if electricity prices continue to rise I'll think again |
| [11:48:17] | gbee: | sphery: thanks for working on the changelog |
| [12:00:14] | GlemSom: | When I shuffle in the EPG in LiveTV, MythTV always failes when reaching a specific channel (note: NOT tuned, just shuffleing in EPG data)... It exists with: "irrecoverable recorder error". Anyone else seen this before? |
| [12:00:22] | GlemSom: | I'm using the latest 0.23-fixes |
| [12:00:58] | GlemSom: | I've tried to cleanout eit-cache and program tables, and re-import program data... But seems it does not make any difference. |
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| [12:01:44] | GlemSom: | And, bte – i KNOW that channel CAN be tuned – as I'm actually recording from it right now. |
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| [12:08:04] | GlemSom: | I'm a bit unsure where the error is... The backend giving odd data back to the frontend (epg) – or the frontend unable to display something... ? |
| [12:17:04] | GlemSom: | hmm, mythfrontend with all debug on didn't catch anything besides: 2010-07–29 14:09:48.705 NVP(0), Error: Unknown recorder error, exiting decoder :( |
| [12:34:42] | GlemSom: | hmm, maybe because description contains only: \0 ? |
| [12:42:44] | GlemSom: | yeap, that was defently the cause of the first channel failing ! |
| [12:42:57] | GlemSom: | mythfrontend does NOT like \0 in the database ! |
| [12:44:07] | anykey_: | GlemSom: file a bug? |
| [12:45:02] | GlemSom: | anykey_, Well, I still need to figure out why it failed with some of my other channels... Might be related... |
| [12:45:25] | GlemSom: | anykey_, I have a feeling it's due to bad EPG data from eit... |
| [12:47:10] | anykey_: | yeah, but it shouldn't crash on that, I think |
| [12:48:15] | GlemSom: | heh WAS related – though, this time it was because the subtitle contained \0 |
| [13:03:21] | GlemSom: | anykey_, Nope, it shouln't... It does though.. :P |
| [13:06:20] | anykey_: | so file a bug ;) |
| [13:07:33] | GlemSom: | anykey_, I did :) -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8707 |
| [13:07:49] | GlemSom: | anykey_, Sadly I'm not skilled enough to fix it myself.. :( |
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| [13:08:47] | anykey_: | ok |
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| [14:58:16] | iamlindoro: | Udo returns... |
| [14:58:48] | ** justinh hands Udo a cork ** | |
| [14:58:53] | justinh: | not for the memory leak |
| [14:59:37] | j-rod: | while we're at it, here's a boot |
| [15:10:14] | justinh: | I don't think anybody's being fair with him. Just take out the coded "if $user=="udo" m_leakmem=1 " stuff out |
| [15:18:15] | gbee: | again?? *sigh* |
| [15:19:00] | iamlindoro: | and again, with "proof" that shows nothing at all |
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| [15:22:26] | justinh: | is all that still on the epia box? |
| [15:22:41] | justinh: | the one so crummy it doesn't have enough resource to run gdb at the same time? |
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| [15:26:24] | iamlindoro: | Think he upgraded at some point to a low end AMD |
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| [15:36:16] | justinh: | hmm having fanart on the gallery view maybe wasn't my greatest ever idea |
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| [15:46:17] | justinh: | are tmdb's ratings just PG13, R etc rather than the really verbose ones – or have I got it the wrong way round? |
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| [15:46:48] | iamlindoro: | correct, they are the short classifications |
| [15:47:26] | wagnerrp: | so it consumed 60MB of memory in the time it took to do a thousand minutes of CPU time |
| [15:47:43] | justinh: | thanks. that's cool, so I don't have to worry about only having one line for it then :) |
| [15:47:51] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [15:47:55] | wagnerrp: | my backend has been online for three weeks, and has managed to accrue a whole 50 minutes |
| [15:49:13] | iamlindoro: | His is capturing every channel on every mux 24/7/365 |
| [15:49:21] | justinh: | whaaaaaaaaa? |
| [15:50:11] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, thats why no one has been able to reproduce his issues, or even be concerned about fixing them |
| [15:50:32] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention for the last six months or so he hasn't been able to claim any actual symptom |
| [15:50:42] | iamlindoro: | just that he thinks it is leaking memory, with only ps output as proof |
| [15:50:47] | wagnerrp: | justinh: and until fairly recently, its been doing it on some old POS VIA system |
| [15:50:51] | iamlindoro: | no tangible symptom whatsoever |
| [15:50:52] | justinh: | there was kind of a good reason why the max recordings per tuner was set to 5 |
| [15:51:19] | justinh: | well no hard evidence it'd be a *bad* thing as such IIRC.. just wise caution |
| [15:52:00] | wagnerrp: | the average user /may/ see issues coming up on a year of continuous runtime |
| [15:52:14] | wagnerrp: | at which point they should be using an old version, and their bugs would be ignored anyway... :) |
| [15:52:34] | justinh: | I ran my old dev box – 800Mhz althlon with 512MB ram 24/7 for a few days flat out recording everything from one mux – the scheduler made spikes of up to 50% CPU but that was it |
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| [15:53:08] | wagnerrp: | has he ever explained just why hes doing this? |
| [15:53:42] | justinh: | maybe something daft like trying to sell a broadcast archival system for off-air use |
| [15:53:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I don't understand why he records everything 24x7... Is he running a Hotel or something? |
| [15:54:57] | justinh: | maybe a HOsTEL |
| [15:55:04] | justinh: | muhahahaha |
| [15:55:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs! ** | |
| [15:55:23] | wagnerrp: | that would explain why he was doing it on a POS VIA |
| [15:55:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: maybe he's a feed for one of those internet-tv services... |
| [15:55:57] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:56:13] | justinh: | I thought they were all just webcams pointing at real TVs |
| [15:57:07] | justinh: | oh maybe that's a different kind of 'tv' service altogether. my bad |
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| [16:03:00] | justinh: | I could still do with going into the pbb to add the channelicon |
| [16:03:43] | justinh: | surprised nobody else has hankered for the channel icon there |
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| [16:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Have desired it, just falls low on the priority list |
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| [16:07:19] | justinh: | it's about the level of what I can do, so it'll be next :) |
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| [16:15:12] | gbee: | I'm going crazy, ld refuses to link this class and I just can't see why |
| [16:16:45] | gbee: | if I remove the QT_OBJECT macro it's fine, but why this class and not the dozens of other identikit ones? |
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| [16:27:24] | wagnerrp: | in the ongoing audio saga spanning multiple threads, ive decided to create yet another thread! |
| [16:28:31] | wagnerrp: | you may remember me from other duplicate threads such as.... |
| [16:29:43] | clever: | gbee: if you use QT_OBJECT then you must run moc on the header to make a foo.moc.cpp file |
| [16:30:10] | clever: | QT_OBJECT will add references to some per-class variables/functions that moc automaticaly defines for you |
| [16:30:44] | clever: | one of which is the magic function that takes a function id, and then calls the right signal/slot, and the rest are the functions for the signals |
| [16:33:07] | clever: | if the .h is defined on the .pro file, it should happen fairly automaticaly i think, but you can force it to check again by using qmake && make in the right dir |
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| [16:34:28] | sphery: | gbee: Heh, I did what I could manage. I added updates for my changesets, then a couple of the other "major" ones (i.e. ones that fix crashes or obvious issues like tmdb image downloads), then I couldn't handle anymore. |
| [16:35:21] | sphery: | It really wasn't too bad to do my own once I figured out how. In trac, went to 0-23-fixes, changelog, set start and end revisions and then just searched for my name. |
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| [16:36:01] | sphery: | heh, the thread that won't die: Re: [mythtv-users] mythbackend still eats memory: the current status |
| [16:36:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: mythbackend is HUNGRY! ;-) |
| [16:36:31] | sphery: | mythbackend is using RAM, so it must be a memory leak. None of my other applications need RAM. |
| [16:37:49] | ** wagnerrp hears a delivery truck ** | |
| [16:37:59] | sphery: | too bad I have to buy RAM for just mythbackend. My system would be so much cheaper if I didn't have to buy RAM. |
| [16:38:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ooh, and it's not even Christmas! Whatcha getting? |
| [16:39:41] | ** wagnerrp has been tricked ** | |
| [16:40:19] | wagnerrp: | actually, my cousin down the street getting a load of siding |
| [16:40:31] | wagnerrp: | seriously, who needs to re-side their house on a hot July afternoon |
| [16:40:32] | gbee: | clever: believe it or not, despite telling me what I already know very well, you did give me an idea, so thanks |
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| [16:41:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, no kidding.. So what is it you're expecting to get? |
| [16:42:24] | wagnerrp: | hard drives |
| [16:42:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: nice. ;-) |
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| [16:45:42] | clever: | gbee: i beleive qmake will check the headers for QT_OBJECT and only plan a moc pass if it exists, so if you add it to a header later on it wont moc it |
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| [16:46:59] | ** gbee bites his tongue ** | |
| [16:47:15] | sphery: | oh, no, he's a berserker |
| [16:47:49] | stevieman: | Does anyone know if there is a problem with mythgame and playing games with 'fullscreen' option? Whenever I try it pushed the window to the top left, the window contents breakout of the window slightly and it is no bigger than the normal size game window. Happens with every game I try, (colem, frozen-bubble) etc. |
| [16:48:26] | sphery: | stevieman: sounds more like a mame issue, since mythgame is really just a generic application launcher |
| [16:48:38] | sphery: | assuming those are mame games |
| [16:49:08] | stevieman: | sphery: not sorry, these are not mame games, frozen-bubble is a linux native game, colem is a colecovision emu |
| [16:49:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery is correct, MythGame has no control over the behavior of those external apps |
| [16:49:34] | iamlindoro: | regardless of whether they're mame, native, or any other emulator |
| [16:49:51] | iamlindoro: | it merely takes the command line you feed it, and executes it as the user running the frontend |
| [16:50:00] | stevieman: | ok cool, off to ubuntu irc for help then, thanks |
| [16:50:04] | sphery: | meaning either the app is having problems or the command line is wrong |
| [16:51:06] | Beirdo: | udo-- |
| [16:51:15] | sphery: | Beirdo: but mythbackend is using RAM |
| [16:51:20] | Beirdo: | oh noes! |
| [16:51:34] | Beirdo: | granted, it does use a LOT. |
| [16:51:41] | sphery: | it does a lot |
| [16:51:51] | Beirdo: | but I see no real evidence of a leak there |
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| [16:51:54] | sphery: | I think we should "fix" mythbackend memory use by splitting it into a bunch of daemons |
| [16:52:13] | Beirdo: | more shared mem use would be good |
| [16:52:23] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [16:52:49] | Beirdo: | granted, we COULD tweak stuff, but why does he need THAT many backends running? |
| [16:52:52] | justinh: | ROFL... wife is watching 'weakest link'.. "puffin books are aimed at which market – smokers or children?" |
| [16:52:57] | Beirdo: | I take it those are per-thread? |
| [16:53:08] | clever: | sphery: i had seen talk earlier of spliting mythbackend into a master deamon and a slave/capture daemon |
| [16:53:15] | sphery: | Beirdo: "that many?" |
| [16:53:19] | gbee: | sphery: whether you were joking or not, I know that's being suggest a lot lately but IMHO splitting up the backend is not a good idea |
| [16:53:20] | sphery: | because of my splitting it up comment? |
| [16:53:34] | sphery: | wasn't really joking |
| [16:53:34] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: He is only running one backend |
| [16:53:35] | clever: | so the master would run both if it had a card, or just the master alone for a cardless master |
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| [16:53:52] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: it's ps output of a single backend over a period of time |
| [16:54:05] | gbee: | exactly how much RSS is he reporting? |
| [16:54:10] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [16:54:17] | Beirdo: | 220MB |
| [16:54:27] | Beirdo: | slowly growing != memory leak |
| [16:54:32] | sphery: | exactly |
| [16:54:44] | Beirdo: | it COULD mean that |
| [16:54:56] | Beirdo: | or it could mean more stuff is cached in memory in the app |
| [16:55:43] | Beirdo: | the fact that tht VSZ isn't significantly changing tells me it is NOT a memory leak |
| [16:55:53] | gbee: | doesn't mean there isn't a problem |
| [16:56:02] | Beirdo: | it's just how much is paged in/out |
| [16:56:03] | sphery: | and--considering he thinks the /one/ valgrind run he finally did after a year of complaining is sufficient--he's not even using the right "shortcut" tools to see what's using the RAM. If nothing else, he should do pmap -d. |
| [16:56:26] | sphery: | considering we've actually fixed the (tiny) memory leak shown in his valgrind run |
| [16:56:35] | sphery: | where we = danielk |
| [16:56:38] | Beirdo: | gbee: granted, we could take a good look into reducing unnecessary memory use |
| [16:56:48] | gbee: | though mine is at 106MB and it was restarted yesterday, so 220MB isn't exactly a runaway leak/growth |
| [16:57:30] | Beirdo: | can't get to mine, it seems |
| [16:57:35] | sphery: | he's also the guy who has a some number of power recording rules that equal his number of tuners that says, "record everything on channel X" |
| [16:57:48] | Beirdo: | after all the DSL flapping last night, I think I need to restart the IPv6 tunnel |
| [16:58:00] | sphery: | but he thinks using 220MB RAM while recording everything that's aired one every channel is too much... |
| [16:58:17] | clever: | sphery: ahhhh, nice tool, i always went directly to the source, /proc/$PID/maps |
| [16:58:23] | justinh: | hmmm what voodoo is going on here in schedule-ui to make the timelist work? I'll have to sort it out later |
| [16:58:46] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, I hear ya |
| [16:58:47] | sphery: | clever: yeah, and with pmap -d, you can actually see how much of the reported usage is shared libs and mem-mapped files and ... |
| [16:59:11] | clever: | sphery: yeah, i had to hack up a script that prefixed every line with its actual size, so i could |sort -n |
| [16:59:15] | gbee: | 'anon' |
| [16:59:16] | Beirdo: | we do need to get it under control if possible, but I think it's pretty stable as it stands now |
| [16:59:21] | clever: | pmap actualy reads into them a little better |
| [17:00:51] | sphery: | on the bright side, I think most people have learned not to feed the thread, anymore |
| [17:01:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, no kidding |
| [17:01:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, we told him that 'VSZ' thing months ago |
| [17:01:14] | wagnerrp: | again we == danielk |
| [17:01:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:01:24] | sphery: | but once a person makes up his mind... |
| [17:01:26] | clever: | http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/mythtv/ . . . hbackend.png my own backend looks fairly stable |
| [17:01:39] | Beirdo: | "oooh, it grows"... by like 200k over a short time |
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| [17:02:21] | wagnerrp: | maybe its just me, but if hes recording every channel all the time, hes running it in a commercial setting |
| [17:02:21] | sphery: | how could you go for 2 1/2 weeks with no mythbackend? |
| [17:02:28] | Beirdo: | what's our thread stack size? |
| [17:02:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I've always been suspicious |
| [17:02:51] | wagnerrp: | if youre running mythtv in a commercial setting, you should be running it on hardware where an extra 200MB over a months time is inconsequential |
| [17:03:00] | clever: | sphery: i think the rrd is just too short to hold a whole month |
| [17:03:13] | sphery: | oh |
| [17:03:17] | wagnerrp: | hell, if youre running mythtv in a consumer setting, 200MB should be fairly inconsequential to you |
| [17:03:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and if it really bothers you, you should either fix it yourself or hire someone with the skills to fix it for you |
| [17:03:43] | gbee: | I spent a few hours valgrinding a couple of months back (at least) and it was that plus a little digging which turned up ~3 leaks, of which I fixed all but one since the third wasn't so obvious, that's the one in DVBStreamData which janneg, Daniel and I finally identified and fixed |
| [17:04:02] | sphery: | (or hire someone whose ethics allow himself to accept your money for "fixing" a non-existent problem) |
| [17:04:07] | Beirdo: | gbee: yeah, I thought you were involved with that |
| [17:04:25] | clever: | wagnerrp: i bearly have 200mb of ram total in my master! |
| [17:04:28] | clever: | and it still runs fine |
| [17:04:39] | sphery: | gbee: oh, yeah, I forgot that you put in several little memleak fixes just before danielk did the one shown by the valgrind |
| [17:04:41] | wagnerrp: | i did say 'should' in there |
| [17:05:05] | sphery: | where "the valgrind" = the one udo submitted |
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| [17:24:48] | Beirdo: | stupid Qwest |
| [17:27:39] | Beirdo: | guh? |
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| [17:27:43] | Beirdo: | #8705 |
| [17:27:49] | Beirdo: | what in the heck? |
| [17:28:32] | Beirdo: | I have no idea how to even START looking into that |
| [17:29:17] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, yeah, I re-read that a few times to try to figure out what it meant |
| [17:29:36] | iamlindoro: | sounds like an X Configuration issue to me |
| [17:29:51] | sphery: | Beirdo: or did you did some fixes for aspect ratio stuff? |
| [17:30:11] | Beirdo: | I feel like setting it to infoneeded and asking "What the heck are you trying to say?" |
| [17:30:13] | sphery: | i.e. it was broken before and now it works--in spite of user understanding |
| [17:30:18] | Beirdo: | not that I know of |
| [17:30:25] | sphery: | maybe ask for a screenshot |
| [17:30:32] | sphery: | a screenshot is worth 1000 words |
| [17:30:49] | Beirdo: | between 0.23 and 0.23-fixes, I don't know of any mythgallery changes that would do that |
| [17:30:55] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's a good idea |
| [17:31:12] | sphery: | there were several mythgallery changes you put into 0.23.1 |
| [17:31:24] | sphery: | (so if you wanted to update the release notes for it :) |
| [17:31:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd have to go figure out what :) |
| [17:31:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [17:32:43] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23.1 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . mp;limit=100 (and search for your username) |
| [17:34:05] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24602 ??? |
| [17:34:06] | Beirdo: | that's all mythweather |
| [17:34:10] | Beirdo: | no mythgallery |
| [17:34:15] | sphery: | oh, oops. |
| [17:34:21] | sphery: | well, whatever you had changed :) |
| [17:34:42] | sphery: | wonder if that MythGallery change is related, though? |
| [17:34:59] | Beirdo: | not at all |
| [17:35:02] | sphery: | I was thinking there was a gallery aspect change |
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| [17:35:35] | Beirdo: | it might be [24602] |
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| [17:36:14] | Beirdo: | but I didn't notice any "not filling the screen" issues when I was messing with the gallery in trunk |
| [17:36:42] | sphery: | yeah, I'm thinking it might be user misunderstanding? |
| [17:36:56] | sphery: | broken before, and now it's different (but correct)? |
| [17:37:08] | Beirdo: | or user changed system-level stuff (like X) and is blaming it on app |
| [17:37:17] | Beirdo: | not like we haven't seen THAT before |
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| [17:37:42] | Beirdo: | but [24602] does seem to be a possibility |
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| [17:38:20] | Armar: | How does mythtv know when a program starts? that doesn't come trough analog cable right? |
| [17:38:42] | wagnerrp: | is uses the guide data you have set up for it |
| [17:39:33] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV#Belgium |
| [17:40:54] | Armar: | oh wow thats awesome |
| [17:41:12] | Armar: | so if I have wireless internet on it I'm all set? |
| [17:41:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, yeah, also a possibility |
| [17:41:48] | wagnerrp: | Armar: wireless internet is plenty fine for pulling guide data, but dont expect to stream to other machines over the network using it |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | we'll see what the user can provide to try to narrow this down |
| [17:43:01] | Armar: | ok thanks for the info :) |
| [17:43:14] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: a bit of a discrepancy with the download manager |
| [17:43:31] | wagnerrp: | when using the Temp storage group, you can just use the filename itself |
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| [17:43:52] | wagnerrp: | all other storage groups require the filename to be prepended with a '/' |
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| [17:47:54] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Anyone have any suggestions on universal remotes that are good with Myth? I started out with only have a USB dongle + remote, but now that I've added things, I have a volume remote, a TV remote, a Myth remote, etc...And I hate clutter |
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| [17:49:36] | justinh: | OFA remotes are ok but can be a cow to program |
| [17:49:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have an older one. |
| [17:49:46] | justinh: | Harmony remotes are ok but can be a cow to program |
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| [17:49:53] | wagnerrp: | OFA?\ |
| [17:49:58] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | One For All |
| [17:50:01] | justinh: | Pronto remotes are ok but can be a cow to program |
| [17:50:02] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Good company for updating |
| [17:50:14] | justinh: | there's a trend emerging |
| [17:50:25] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Well, once it is programmed... |
| [17:50:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | The question is what would suit me. |
| [17:50:36] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I don't need a fancy remote |
| [17:50:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | 99% of the time, I'm not using 60% of the button |
| [17:50:47] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | buttons |
| [17:50:51] | justinh: | harmony ones are ok, but you might find their primary mode (activities) rather sucks |
| [17:50:52] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want something fancy/expensive, get an OFA |
| [17:51:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm willing to go fancy if someone gives me a compelling reason |
| [17:51:10] | ** wagnerrp likes the activity mode ** | |
| [17:51:12] | justinh: | but they do have enough buttons – OFA ones have marginally less than an optimal number |
| [17:51:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | If there isn't a good reason to get the better remote, why bother? |
| [17:52:10] | justinh: | harmony plus points: lots of buttons, not too many – easy to program if you have a windows machine or mac |
| [17:52:12] | wagnerrp: | how do you switch inputs? TV? AV receiver? |
| [17:52:39] | justinh: | if you don't have windows or mac, virtually forget about programming a harmony |
| [17:52:47] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I just 'upgraded' to a Monoprice HDMI input switcher because I don't want to spend the money on a new receiver that has HDMI |
| [17:53:01] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have one Windows partition on one system for things I can't do on Linux |
| [17:53:02] | wagnerrp: | is it IR controllable? |
| [17:53:07] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Yes, it is |
| [17:53:17] | wagnerrp: | are there buttons to each input? |
| [17:53:21] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have an RF USB remote, but I can swap it for the IR MCE in the other room |
| [17:53:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Also yes. |
| [17:53:37] | wagnerrp: | then you should have no problem with the 'activity' modes on the harmonys |
| [17:54:02] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Activity, as in Do A, B, and C when button 1 is pressed? |
| [17:54:19] | wagnerrp: | as in 'i want to "watch tv"' |
| [17:54:25] | justinh: | activity as in choose an activity, and the remote does the switching & button pressing for you |
| [17:54:41] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Interesting. |
| [17:54:43] | wagnerrp: | it automatically powers up the necessary devices, puts them in the correct input, alters the button layout |
| [17:54:51] | wagnerrp: | and runs any additional commands you may specify |
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| [17:55:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | It would help with the problem that now, with the extra hardware, I have to shut off 4–5 things individually whereas before one thing would shut off everything. |
| [17:55:42] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'll have to look at the various models |
| [17:55:58] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I assume they all support learning and such |
| [17:56:00] | justinh: | look for specials.. I wouldn't pay full price |
| [17:56:02] | justinh: | yeah they do |
| [17:56:08] | wagnerrp: | for instance, on my dvd changer, i have it set to sleep for 6 seconds and then start spamming 'stop', so i can prevent it from autoloading the current disk and getting stuck in the anti-piracy warnings |
| [17:56:10] | justinh: | well my 525 does |
| [17:56:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Justinh, what is a good deal, in your opinion? |
| [17:56:47] | wagnerrp: | definitely go for specials, i picked up a pair of 880s for $70 each a couple months back |
| [17:57:25] | justinh: | I paid about £25 for my 525 |
| [17:57:39] | wagnerrp: | nice |
| [17:57:43] | justinh: | the higher end remotes didn't do anything this one does |
| [17:57:48] | justinh: | er.. didn't do any more |
| [17:57:59] | justinh: | so I thought what's the point :) |
| [17:58:26] | wagnerrp: | well you get a color screen with more side buttons.... basically just means you dont have to scroll through your list of activities/devices |
| [17:58:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, and you get a recharging base with an excessively bright blue LED |
| [17:59:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [17:59:03] | wagnerrp: | lights up the room at night |
| [17:59:10] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have enough excessively bright LEDs |
| [17:59:13] | justinh: | didn't think we needed a colour screen |
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| [17:59:41] | justinh: | and the battery life is pretty good – it's not in the same league as a regular remote but it's not a nasty hog either |
| [18:00:10] | justinh: | it's only crashed once too! |
| [18:00:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mine would last a month or so on the four AAAs, my 880s might last a week on its lipoly |
| [18:00:49] | wagnerrp: | you know how the motion sensor on that 525 works? is it acoustic or just very sensitive? |
| [18:01:11] | justinh: | no idea |
| [18:01:23] | wagnerrp: | the thing will light up if you just enter the room |
| [18:01:32] | justinh: | oh wait.. mine's the 515 |
| [18:01:37] | justinh: | heheh |
| [18:02:32] | wagnerrp: | different color scheme, missing a few buttons, but otherwise the same |
| [18:02:43] | justinh: | no motion sensor AFAIK |
| [18:02:50] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:03:12] | justinh: | now we've got a black dog we tend not to watch much in darkness anyway ;-) |
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| [18:03:36] | justinh: | yelp! ahh there's the doggy |
| [18:03:53] | wagnerrp: | hey, with the motion sensor, it would light up if he came in the room |
| [18:04:12] | justinh: | he'd already be in the room lying on the floor |
| [18:04:15] | kormoc: | oh nice |
| [18:04:21] | justinh: | usually near the doorway |
| [18:04:30] | kormoc: | tv firmware update speed up tv boot time from ~30 seconds to ~10 |
| [18:04:34] | Beirdo: | usually right where your feet go? |
| [18:04:41] | justinh: | Beirdo: heh yeh |
| [18:04:55] | justinh: | tv boot time? :-O |
| [18:05:06] | wagnerrp: | oh, apparently its actually an infrared motion sensor |
| [18:05:07] | kormoc: | justinh, from power-on to display |
| [18:05:15] | justinh: | whoah |
| [18:05:17] | wagnerrp: | it has receivers in the front and back for 'learning mode' |
| [18:05:23] | wagnerrp: | and any changes in heat levels, it lights up |
| [18:05:26] | justinh: | I like my appliances to be ON when I turn em on |
| [18:05:43] | kormoc: | justinh, heh, I haven't seen any hdtvs that are instant on |
| [18:06:00] | justinh: | oh well :) |
| [18:06:03] | kormoc: | they scan inputs, figure out where to get a picture from, scan audio devices, etc |
| [18:06:06] | wagnerrp: | my 880s only have a comparatively primitive tilt sensor |
| [18:06:23] | kormoc: | scan usb devices for new firmware, jpegs, or mp3's |
| [18:06:51] | gbee: | I knew someone who broke their arm on one occasions and then dislocated their shoulder a couple of months later after tripping over their dog in the dark because it liked to sleep on the floor by the bed |
| [18:07:01] | clever: | mine takes forever to come on and doesnt seem to auto-select input at all |
| [18:07:04] | clever: | always goes to the last-used input |
| [18:07:13] | gbee: | hmm, that could have been better worded |
| [18:07:17] | Beirdo: | gbee: did they need to get treated for dog bites too? |
| [18:07:41] | Beirdo: | <dog>: Stop stepping on me, you oaf! |
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| [18:08:41] | gbee: | heh no, the first time it apparently continued to sleep in the same spot even with paramedics etc in the room |
| [18:08:49] | Beirdo: | hhe |
| [18:08:51] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:09:00] | gbee: | big old hairy thing it was |
| [18:09:02] | Beirdo: | oblivious dog. gotta love it |
| [18:09:03] | wagnerrp: | bah... that wasnt a delivery truck |
| [18:09:18] | clever: | Beirdo: i got a friend who's dog sleeps by the heat radiator |
| [18:09:22] | wagnerrp: | just my dad coming home with a big throaty... 2 liter... |
| [18:09:25] | clever: | and keeps sleeping when its leg begins to smoke |
| [18:09:33] | kormoc: | that sound dirty |
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| [18:09:57] | Beirdo: | mmm, burnt fur smell... smells like... sleep! |
| [18:10:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, with the backend commands? |
| [18:11:04] | gbee: | back on the subject of remotes, I bought a new MCE remote for £12 off ebay the other day, sadly it's the international version without the coloured buttons but at least it's not the clone/hauppauge/xbox one |
| [18:11:07] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah |
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| [18:11:51] | wagnerrp: | was testing the video artwork downloader, and it was saving things to '/mnt/mythtv/bannersShow Season x_banner.jpg' |
| [18:11:56] | kormoc: | gbee, I never liked the colored buttons, no indication of what they're gonna do without pressing |
| [18:12:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, thanks. that reminds me I need to put in the sanity checking for "..", etc. in that code. |
| [18:12:39] | Beirdo: | oh no! you're gonna make it more secure?! we can't have that |
| [18:12:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:12:50] | dewman: | with a 2 year old I need all the sanity checking I can get. |
| [18:13:06] | Beirdo: | why? you have none left. |
| [18:13:13] | dewman: | true... |
| [18:13:15] | wagnerrp: | dewman: is your 2-yr old going to be hacking around on an open network socket? |
| [18:13:16] | Beirdo: | and won't for another 16 years at least :) |
| [18:13:24] | gbee: | kormoc: they are required for the interactive services here in the UK and I was planning to create a theme/key mapping which would use them for context specific actions (labels would appear on-screen) |
| [18:13:37] | kormoc: | heh, fair 'nuff |
| [18:13:39] | ** wagnerrp bows to dewman's kid's l33tness ** | |
| [18:13:41] | dewman: | he has managed to snake my droid and change the channel...does that count? |
| [18:14:05] | Beirdo: | mmm, more coffee time |
| [18:14:08] | dewman: | (mythmote) |
| [18:14:15] | dewman: | the only remote I need. |
| [18:14:16] | gbee: | kormoc: of course I plan to do lots of things, doesn't mean I have the time for them all ;) |
| [18:14:38] | gbee: | kormoc: example of a UK STB using the coloured buttons for navigation – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_foxsat2.png |
| [18:14:38] | justinh: | talk about a remote you have to charge every 24 hours though eh... mythmote... lol |
| [18:14:54] | kormoc: | gbee, huh, fair 'nuff |
| [18:15:12] | gbee: | incidently, although it's an exact-ish copy of the STB design, it's actually MythTV in that screenshot |
| [18:15:36] | justinh: | oo I might just do that for my theme. more WAF++++ |
| [18:15:44] | gbee: | in case the logo didn't give it away |
| [18:16:07] | kormoc: | gbee, yeah, I can see how that would work well |
| [18:16:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, and all your SG dirs have a / on the end in the storagegroup table correct? |
| [18:16:24] | justinh: | well back into schedule-ui.xml |
| [18:16:49] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: yes, im pretty sure mythtv-setup enforces that |
| [18:17:07] | wagnerrp: | (just checked to make sure anyway) |
| [18:17:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, just doublechecking. |
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| [18:18:46] | wagnerrp: | quick question, the artwork stuff falling back to the Videos SG, thats in mythvideo, not storagegroup behavior, right? |
| [18:23:22] | justinh: | weird. using shapes as a background to the timelist buttonlist is really messing it up |
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| [18:35:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, I think that uses StorageGroup::GetGroupToUse(), but htat method needs to be more generic. it needs to take a fallback group name as an argument so we can have everything fallback to some default or Temp. |
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| [18:52:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, the fix is in. no / required on any filenames now. |
| [18:52:35] | wagnerrp: | ok, thanks |
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| [18:58:37] | Beirdo: | *BURP* |
| [18:58:41] | Beirdo: | mmm, coffee |
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| [19:12:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A is sleepy... ** | |
| [19:13:01] | Beirdo: | you and me both |
| [19:13:19] | Beirdo: | spent many hours reworking an old patch last night |
| [19:13:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: But i've only got 2 hrs to go before I can go home... ;-) |
| [19:13:53] | Beirdo: | shh :) |
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| [19:19:08] | wagnerrp: | any idea why thetvdb.com mist list dvd episode numbers as a float? |
| [19:19:51] | andrewe: | Hi, I would like to use mythtv, but I cannot tune channels (at least not reliably), but I can with kaffeine. Any thoughts? |
| [19:19:53] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: A double length episode (part 1, part 2) gets a .1 and .2 |
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| [19:20:44] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: http://thetvdb.com/wiki/index.php/DVD_Order |
| [19:20:48] | Beirdo: | andrewe: not nearly enough information for anyone to be able to help there |
| [19:20:58] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: that wont cause problems with metadatacommon.cpp:337 and 338? |
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| [19:21:09] | wagnerrp: | seems youre making it a UInt |
| [19:21:18] | wagnerrp: | (at least in the future when we handle dvd order) |
| [19:21:21] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: DVD Order is basically unhandled so far |
| [19:21:37] | iamlindoro: | When we do anything with it, I'll finish it |
| [19:21:38] | andrewe: | Beirdo: I'm willing to provide more: I'm using Ubuntu Karmic, Diseqc with two LNBs, a Skystar 2 HD card (SAA7146). |
| [19:21:59] | wagnerrp: | ok, ill change that field to no type for now on the wiki |
| [19:22:16] | wagnerrp: | i had set the python metadata grabber to handle it as an int |
| [19:22:19] | wagnerrp: | and it just barfed in testing |
| [19:22:44] | andrewe: | Beirdo: most of the time I don't get a lock while scanning, but sometimes I do. |
| [19:24:10] | Beirdo: | ah, I don't know much of the DVB stuff, but I'm sure others do |
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| [19:24:46] | andrewe: | Beirdo: I hope "others" will prevent me going nuts. ;-) |
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| [19:25:06] | johnnyj: | no promises |
| [19:25:42] | wagnerrp: | andrewe: youre scanning in mythtv-setup, with myth's channel scanner? |
| [19:26:33] | andrewe: | wagnerrp, I use "Input connections" in mythtv-setup. |
| [19:27:12] | andrewe: | Then "Scan for channels" |
| [19:28:10] | andrewe: | Something I was never certain about is video sources, I created two separate ones, one for each LNB, do I need that? |
| [19:29:14] | wagnerrp: | you need one video source for each channel lineup |
| [19:29:25] | wagnerrp: | if both cards pull off the same satellite, you only need one source |
| [19:29:32] | andrewe: | that's what I have. |
| [19:29:50] | andrewe: | It's two satellites, Astra1 and Astra2. |
| [19:30:45] | andrewe: | Maybe it's a problem with Diseqc, but it works fine with kaffeine. |
| [19:31:03] | justinh: | and you've set up the switch in mythtv-setup ? |
| [19:31:25] | justinh: | you'll need one video source per bird you're pointing at |
| [19:31:26] | tv-freak: | My mysql stopped to start during boot (upstart) after installing updates a couple of days ago. I have mysql-server 5.1.41–3ubuntu12.5 from lucid-proposed repository. |
| [19:31:45] | justinh: | tv-freak: that'll be one for #ubuntu maybe |
| [19:31:50] | iamlindoro: | tv-freak: You'll need to talk to #mythbuntu about that |
| [19:31:59] | tv-freak: | Ok |
| [19:32:09] | andrewe: | justinh, I have one video source per each satellite, so I guess that's right. |
| [19:32:11] | justinh: | if you can get a word in edgeways ;) |
| [19:32:35] | justinh: | andrewe: yeah that sounds fine, but how have you made mythtv aware of the switch? |
| [19:33:09] | andrewe: | When I added the capture card, I configured it with Diseqc. |
| [19:33:11] | justinh: | FYI I've never used mythtv with dvb-s so I dunno exactly how to go on with that stuff |
| [19:33:15] | justinh: | right |
| [19:33:35] | justinh: | AFAIK there's a submenu with various options in there & you kinda define the 'tree' through there |
| [19:33:58] | andrewe: | Yes, there is, looks like: |
| [19:34:03] | andrewe: | Switch |
| [19:34:06] | andrewe: | LNB |
| [19:34:06] | andrewe: | LNB |
| [19:34:18] | justinh: | righto |
| [19:34:52] | justinh: | so is it just scanning you're having problems with? |
| [19:35:04] | iamlindoro: | And have you set the LNBs to the proper type? That's a common mistake that causes tuning problems |
| [19:35:22] | justinh: | in mythtv-setup you need to do a tuned scan, armed with a bit of tuning data which you have to enter |
| [19:35:37] | andrewe: | justinh, no, not only, if I try to watch the channels they often don't deliver a signal. |
| [19:36:09] | andrewe: | iamlindoro, I set them to Universal (the voltage settings are the same as in kaffeine). |
| [19:36:33] | andrewe: | justinh, what exactly is a tuned scan? |
| [19:36:35] | justinh: | I think you need to dig in the backend log & see what's going on |
| [19:36:45] | andrewe: | where can I find that log? |
| [19:37:04] | justinh: | a tuned scan is where you tell mythtv-setup the tuning parameters – frequency, modulation type etc |
| [19:37:18] | justinh: | it can't do a blind scan for dvb-s as far as I know |
| [19:37:34] | andrewe: | ok, that's what I did. |
| [19:37:40] | justinh: | but seeing as you say you've managed to get channels into mythtv I'm assuming you've managed to do that |
| [19:38:02] | justinh: | logs can live in different places but try looking in /var/log |
| [19:38:32] | justinh: | and if you want folks here to look please use a pastebin, don't paste it all in here |
| [19:38:52] | andrewe: | justinh, I found that log |
| [19:45:14] | andrewe: | justinh, here we go: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/z1eQRtbT (I hope that I used pastebin correctly) |
| [19:45:47] | andrewe: | justinh, btw, it's just an excerpt, but this error is shown many times in the log |
| [19:52:11] | justinh: | those are just warnings |
| [19:52:28] | justinh: | try pasting the whole log |
| [19:55:52] | justinh: | users often miss things people here can spot a mile off ;-) |
| [19:56:46] | andrewe: | just a second, I'm trying to paste it ... |
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| [20:01:44] | andrewe: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/37sLa9Xu |
| [20:02:48] | justinh: | 2010-07–29 20:55:56.840 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Your frequency setting (12480000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000) looks ominous |
| [20:03:36] | andrewe: | hm, let me check that |
| [20:04:17] | justinh: | if the freq really has too many zeros though I'd have expected myth to say it's an error not just warn you |
| [20:05:06] | AndyCap: | 950–2150 is what comes out of a normal LNB thouhg. |
| [20:06:22] | andrewe: | AndyCap, with how many trailing zeroes? |
| [20:06:36] | AndyCap: | Mhz. |
| [20:06:51] | andrewe: | So, which unit does mythtv use? |
| [20:08:05] | AndyCap: | andrewe: I was going to say kHz, but I'm not sure. And I don't know if calculating the downconverted frequency is your or mythtv's job for DVB-S |
| [20:08:05] | andrewe: | justinh, I wonder if there shouldn't be a new entry in the log file each time I scan *and* fail to find any channels. |
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| [20:10:15] | AndyCap: | andrewe: from this it looks like myth should do that job http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
| [20:11:32] | justinh: | myth uses khz IIRC |
| [20:11:58] | AndyCap: | Heh http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S_does_not_wor . . . is_not_setup |
| [20:12:22] | AndyCap: | and myth calculates the right frequency if it's correctly configured |
| [20:12:31] | andrewe: | confusing |
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| [20:14:51] | andrewe: | I don't understand how I should configure that. Maybe as a Switch with switches??? |
| [20:18:08] | AndyCap: | what do you have? |
| [20:18:08] | justinh: | AndyCap: he's got channels. it's just that *sometimes* apparently they don't work |
| [20:19:06] | andrewe: | And scanning does not work, either, at least on the second lnb. |
| [20:19:29] | andrewe: | Is it true that I cannot reconfigure a card, but have to remove and add it again? |
| [20:20:41] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | If it is, it would surprise me. |
| [20:22:09] | andrewe: | What's the difference between Diseqc and Diseqc (uncommitted)? |
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| [20:25:06] | andrewe: | Thank you very much for your support, especially justinh. |
| [20:26:15] | AndyCap: | iirc uncommited switches let the signal pass through to the next switch. |
| [20:26:49] | andrewe: | AndyCap, so, it does not apply to setups with only one switch. |
| [20:27:26] | AndyCap: | andrewe: well, I'm not sure how critical it is that the signaling you choose matches the type of switch you have |
| [20:30:53] | andrewe: | AndyCap, ok, I'll stick with Diseqc (without "uncommitted"). |
| [20:31:16] | andrewe: | I'm tired, thanks guys, see you. |
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| [20:57:38] | Beirdo: | OK, I like the original recording of Nothing Else Matters much better than the S&M one |
| [20:58:10] | sphery: | must be a different S&M than the one I've heard... |
| [20:58:21] | Beirdo: | Metallica – S&M |
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| [20:58:39] | sphery: | ah, so maybe it is the same meaning |
| [20:59:06] | Beirdo: | yeah ;) it's the double album they did with orchestra |
| [20:59:07] | sphery: | I thought you were talking about some movie or something |
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| [20:59:33] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you've been burnin up the old tickets today... well done. |
| [20:59:54] | sphery: | but not like when he closed some 200+ in a month |
| [21:00:00] | ** sphery cracks the whip ** | |
| [21:00:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:00:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, but these aren't all "wontfix" either :) |
| [21:00:30] | Beirdo: | or "user is dumb" – closed |
| [21:00:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:00:36] | Beirdo: | I wish we had that choice |
| [21:00:44] | sphery: | heh, he actually fixed a lot of code before, too |
| [21:00:50] | Beirdo: | closed: pebcak |
| [21:00:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know :) |
| [21:00:59] | sphery: | but, yeah, there were a lot of ones closed otherwise |
| [21:01:17] | Beirdo: | we could probably add pebcak as a closure. |
| [21:01:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:01:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:01:38] | Beirdo: | or pebkac if ya want |
| [21:01:41] | Beirdo: | your choice |
| [21:02:08] | Beirdo: | ID-10T error? |
| [21:02:30] | dustybin: | idiot? |
| [21:03:03] | ** dustybin goes back into silent mode ** | |
| [21:04:23] | justinh: | permanently? |
| [21:04:47] | bjd: | wishful thinking |
| [21:07:40] | sphery: | this conversation makes me realize I need to see the movie Silent Running |
| [21:11:14] | Beirdo: | the Call of Ktulu with orchestra ain't all bad though :) |
| [21:11:40] | Beirdo: | it was instrumental to start with though |
| [21:13:58] | Beirdo: | I need a remotely controllable power unit for my DSL modem :) |
| [21:15:59] | sphery: | now you're making me want to play Arkham Horror |
| [21:18:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you mean you cant telnet into yours and powercycle it? |
| [21:20:07] | Beirdo: | hehe, let's hope not |
| [21:20:57] | wagnerrp: | hope not? why wouldnt you want telnet access? |
| [21:21:09] | wagnerrp: | and/or serial |
| [21:23:13] | Beirdo: | no, because then the world can telnet to my DSL modem and reboot it too :) |
| [21:23:26] | Beirdo: | oh, you mean the power controller? :) |
| [21:23:49] | wagnerrp: | either |
| [21:24:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:24:01] | wagnerrp: | although mine is only accessible through the internal network |
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| [21:24:13] | wagnerrp: | i didnt mean internet access to it |
| [21:25:04] | ** wagnerrp complains about his hard drives being on the truck for over 12hrs ** | |
| [21:25:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh, that wouldn't do me much good as I need *remote* :) |
| [21:25:17] | Beirdo: | i.e. kick it in the head from work |
| [21:25:42] | wagnerrp: | why do you need remote? |
| [21:26:01] | Beirdo: | because my DSL is being a PITA. I'm at work. It's at home |
| [21:26:09] | Beirdo: | I can't just reach over and unplug it :) |
| [21:26:20] | wagnerrp: | you want to use the DSL to connect to a computer at home? |
| [21:26:26] | Beirdo: | yes |
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| [21:26:32] | wagnerrp: | so the computer is running? |
| [21:26:37] | rapture: | I return |
| [21:26:56] | rapture: | With new problems |
| [21:27:06] | Beirdo: | yes, same thing happened when I was in Philly |
| [21:27:19] | Beirdo: | I expect it's all the flapping last night that messed stuff up |
| [21:27:26] | wagnerrp: | so the computer is running some sort of daemon that pings your linode once a minute, and reboots the modem if it cannot access it |
| [21:27:38] | Beirdo: | my DSL modem dropped link about 20 times last night |
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| [21:27:55] | ** justinh hugs his cable modem ** | |
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| [21:28:15] | justinh: | does DSL stand for Darn Soggy Lines ? |
| [21:28:52] | Beirdo: | some times it feels that way |
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| [21:29:26] | rapture: | Mythtv was working previously, despite other issues, today I select "watch TV" and am presented by a black screen with "Please wait...." followed by being returned to the menu. Something obvious? |
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| [21:35:31] | henkpoley: | rapture: if digital TV, that may happen when there's nothing on your cable/satellite-dish/antenna at the moment |
| [21:35:58] | henkpoley: | otherwise a malfunction of the tv-recording hardware/driver |
| [21:36:36] | wagnerrp: | rapture: check your backend logs for errors |
| [21:36:44] | henkpoley: | (doh) |
| [21:36:53] | henkpoley: | should have mentioned that |
| [21:38:31] | rapture: | where does the backend log to? |
| [21:41:29] | henkpoley: | to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log (for mythbuntu and gentoo at least) |
| [21:41:53] | wagnerrp: | the backend logs to wherever the startup script told it to |
| [21:42:08] | wagnerrp: | either by redirecting the output with a '>', or with the '-l' argument |
| [21:42:14] | henkpoley: | There can also be logs in the database, shown in the mythfrontend 'information' item |
| [21:42:16] | wagnerrp: | there is no default location |
| [21:42:39] | wagnerrp: | the database 'logging' is very minimal, and not likely to have much of consequence |
| [21:42:43] | Beirdo: | I need to remember to add -l blah to my wrapper scripts |
| [21:43:06] | wagnerrp: | at most, you get things like recording and job start/stop times, and scheduler runs |
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| [21:47:16] | rapture: | seems to have been a directory permissions issue, sorted now |
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| [21:54:43] | wagnerrp: | mmm.... |
| [21:54:47] | ** wagnerrp flies past 10TB ** | |
| [21:55:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:55:45] | ** GadgetWisdomGuru doesn't have anywhere near 10TB of storage space ** | |
| [21:55:50] | ** Beirdo wishes ** | |
| [21:56:01] | Beirdo: | I'd fill it though |
| [21:56:07] | ** GadgetWisdomGuru is reasonably certain his box of DVD exported video will decay and he will lose years of collecting ** | |
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| [21:56:10] | Beirdo: | might take me a wee bit of time, but I would |
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| [21:59:19] | Beirdo: | at this rate we might just be hitting [26000] by 0.24 |
| [22:00:52] | ** wagnerrp starts emptying hard drives ** | |
| [22:04:29] | wagnerrp: | now i just need to figure out which one is hooked up to channel 2 |
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| [22:32:46] | ** sphery has to decide how to deal with Beirdo's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25450 ** | |
| [22:33:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:34:14] | Beirdo: | not as much mine as my commit of someone else's patch (long overdue) |
| [22:34:32] | Beirdo: | as I actually USE the prefix religiously, it made sense |
| [22:34:36] | Beirdo: | what's the issue? |
| [22:35:12] | sphery: | I install MythTV to /usr/local, but my @INC doesn't include /usr/local/lib/perl5 and Perl and MakeMaker know that, so they (properly) chose to install the Perl bindings to /usr/lib/perl5 . |
| [22:35:29] | sphery: | So I can either recompile Perl and set @INC to include /usr/local/lib/perl5 |
| [22:35:35] | sphery: | or I can revert that patch on my local system |
| [22:36:12] | Beirdo: | or do it the way I do :) |
| [22:36:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:36:18] | Beirdo: | wrapper scripts |
| [22:36:51] | Beirdo: | as I vary my prefix for every branch I use... I have wrappers for mythfrontend, mythbackend, nuvexport |
| [22:37:18] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have a roadmap question |
| [22:37:21] | Beirdo: | nuvexport STILL isn't installing based on prefix last I looked though |
| [22:37:33] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Are Storage Groups for MythMusic 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [22:37:34] | sphery: | but wrappers for every mythtv perl script |
| [22:37:36] | Beirdo: | I'd be happy to share my scripts with you later when I get home |
| [22:38:25] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [22:38:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, that could be annoying, but there are ways |
| [22:38:34] | sphery: | I may find a way to have the system check to see if $PREFIX/lib/perl5 is in the @INC, and only use PREFIX if it is |
| [22:38:56] | sphery: | where system = configure/install in mythtv |
| [22:39:03] | Beirdo: | or you could make the script add it |
| [22:39:10] | sphery: | you can't add it |
| [22:39:14] | Beirdo: | right in each perl script... add @INC |
| [22:39:19] | sphery: | ohh |
| [22:39:20] | Beirdo: | sure you can |
| [22:39:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:39:36] | Beirdo: | stupid pathing issues |
| [22:39:42] | Beirdo: | they will be the death of us yet |
| [22:40:08] | Beirdo: | well, let me know what you dream up |
| [22:40:34] | sphery: | so it's either a) recompile perl and change its @INC, export a PERL5LIB env var in /every/ environment from which I execute MythTV Perl scripts, call perl with -I/usr/local/lib/perl5, modify scripts which use Myth Perl bindings to include "use lib ..." or BEGIN { push @INC,...} , or ??? |
| [22:40:48] | Beirdo: | look in nuvexport to see how it's adding library paths in the script itself |
| [22:40:51] | sphery: | heh, stopped with the ordered list a), stuff :) |
| [22:41:02] | Beirdo: | or in any of the mythweather scrapers |
| [22:41:55] | sphery: | I'll look at how it's deciding where to install stuff and see if there's a way that would make everyone happy |
| [22:42:17] | Beirdo: | sure thing |
| [22:43:04] | Beirdo: | my wrapper script for nuvexport currently sets PERL5LIB, BTW |
| [22:43:28] | Beirdo: | my prefixes are /opt/mythtv/${git branch} |
| [22:43:31] | Beirdo: | basically |
| [22:46:46] | sphery: | I may just recompile perl... |
| [22:47:05] | Beirdo: | which for frontend/backend get worked into my PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH before calling mythbackend |
| [22:47:39] | sphery: | anyway, you pretty much had to commit that patch |
| [22:47:40] | Beirdo: | the fun of having like 10 branches on the go |
| [22:47:44] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:47:54] | Beirdo: | sorry it messed yer system up there |
| [22:47:54] | sphery: | it's come up about 10 times in the past and the users always say that letting MakeMaker decide is wrong |
| [22:48:04] | sphery: | because the user is always right--even if it breaks their systems :) |
| [22:48:42] | Beirdo: | *especially* when it breaks their systems |
| [22:48:49] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [22:49:11] | Beirdo: | that's when I go into Red Foreman mode |
| [22:50:05] | Beirdo: | I can't believe they got away with calling people dumbass on that show for so long :) |
| [22:50:26] | sphery: | don't know what show that is |
| [22:50:33] | Beirdo: | That 70's Show |
| [22:51:06] | Beirdo: | and Kitty Foreman (the mom) reminds me SO much of my aunt... |
| [22:52:01] | Beirdo: | I don't THINK my cousins smoked pot in the basement, but other than that, it reminded me of them a lot :) |
| [22:55:17] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, http://pastebin.com/dqv42daD |
| [22:55:22] | sphery: | see the dates, too |
| [22:55:42] | Beirdo: | heheeh |
| [22:56:05] | sphery: | and note my comment about , "if it gets changed" |
| [22:56:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:56:40] | Beirdo: | well, I just borked ya :) |
| [22:56:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:56:50] | sphery: | I always thtought, "perl installs the files where it thinks is correct" should be good enough for users, but... |
| [22:56:54] | sphery: | no big deal... |
| [22:57:03] | sphery: | the hard part is deciding how I want to handle it |
| [22:57:12] | Beirdo: | well, in this case, I don't think it IS good enough :) |
| [22:57:22] | Beirdo: | for most people, they won't futz with prefixes |
| [22:57:25] | sphery: | well, no, because they're still complaining |
| [22:57:32] | Beirdo: | but for those who DO... |
| [22:57:41] | sphery: | I'm not futz'ing with prefixes |
| [22:57:52] | sphery: | mythtv defaults to /usr/local, and that's what I use |
| [22:57:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:58:24] | Beirdo: | but the perl bindings should be app-related (or those who need more than one version installed get SCREWED) |
| [22:58:38] | sphery: | and perl is only choosing /usr/local/ by default because that's how people configured their Perls |
| [22:58:42] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:58:53] | sphery: | (where "people" = distros configured for the people, so the people don't have a clue how it works) |
| [22:58:56] | sphery: | anyway... |
| [22:58:59] | Beirdo: | I basically just forced it to install it with mythtv rather than in perl's default |
| [22:59:20] | Beirdo: | in most configs that won't matter one bit, I'd bet |
| [22:59:25] | sphery: | this will make users happy, so I'll just bend my system to their will |
| [22:59:33] | Beirdo: | but if it does, I'll adjust crap :) |
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| [22:59:46] | sphery: | heh, yeah, for most users it shouldn't be a problem |
| [23:00:28] | Beirdo: | oooh, another patch from danielk :) |
| [23:00:44] | Beirdo: | seems we are getting some momentum pulling up to this release |
| [23:01:16] | sphery: | http://search.cpan.org/dist/ExtUtils-MakeMake . . . aker/FAQ.pod , see "PREFIX vs INSTALL_BASE" |
| [23:02:36] | Beirdo: | find / -name MakeMaker.pm -exec rm {} \; |
| [23:02:48] | Beirdo: | piece of crumbly crap |
| [23:02:52] | sphery: | of course, that INSTALL_BASE thing makes no sense to me |
| [23:03:08] | Beirdo: | and no, for the record, do NOT run that command. |
| [23:03:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:04:03] | Beirdo: | sphery: not to worry, if I broke stuff, I'll fix it :) |
| [23:04:07] | sphery: | oh, man, I just looked up after running that command |
| [23:04:21] | sphery: | could have warned me first... |
| [23:04:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:04:39] | sphery: | Beirdo: no, it's not broken--more than anything, my system is what users would consider broken |
| [23:04:39] | Beirdo: | I know you're not that dumb :) |
| [23:04:57] | sphery: | (i.e. not the way their systems are--because they took whatever config they were given) |
| [23:05:36] | Beirdo: | perl is one of the most .... interesting.... things to package |
| [23:05:49] | Beirdo: | I still have nightmares sometimes from the Solaris package builds |
| [23:07:05] | Beirdo: | all the different modules using DESTDIR or INSTALL_BASE or PREFIX, and all in different ways |
| [23:07:13] | ** Beirdo dropkicks the lot :) ** | |
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| [23:07:21] | sphery: | though I'm thinking maybe we do need to use INSTALL_BASE instead of PREFIX... http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/ExtUtils-Mak . . . INSTALL_BASE |
| [23:08:17] | Beirdo: | screw it :) |
| [23:08:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:08:31] | Beirdo: | you could be right though, but screw it |
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| [23:09:17] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it will come up again later. |
| [23:09:47] | Beirdo: | We'll make it all work somehow |
| [23:10:26] | sphery: | yeah, prefix is putting everything in one place on my system, so until someone finds that it's putting stuff in different places, what we have is fine |
| [23:10:37] | sphery: | and when they find it's wrong on their system, they can submit a patch :) |
| [23:10:46] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:10:59] | Beirdo: | and then we go through it all again :) |
| [23:11:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:22:58] | kormoc: | sphery, you know offhand how I could get mythfrontend to use config.xml and ignore the backend settings for dbUserName? |
| [23:23:25] | sphery: | kormoc: backend settings for it? |
| [23:23:46] | sphery: | mythfrontend should use config.xml if it exists in preference to mysql.txt |
| [23:24:08] | sphery: | but config.xml can only exist at $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml (or, technically, $MYTHCONFDIR/config.xml) |
| [23:24:08] | kormoc: | sphery, I realized digging in my sql logs that it'd be nice to have mythweb log into my db as mythweb, mythfrontend log in as mythfrontend, etc |
| [23:24:28] | kormoc: | so I set config.xml to log in as mythfrontend but on the frontend restart, it just overwrote it with the upnp info from the backend |
| [23:24:46] | sphery: | oh |
| [23:25:00] | sphery: | yeah, don't know if that's possible |
| [23:25:38] | wagnerrp: | does the XMLTV spec include fields for season and episode? |
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| [23:27:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ttbomk, no: http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat + http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv/xmltv/xmltv.dtd |
| [23:27:58] | wagnerrp: | ah, i was looking for that but my searching was coming up empty |
| [23:28:00] | sphery: | there's xmltv_ns episode_num |
| [23:28:10] | sphery: | er, episode-num |
| [23:28:31] | sphery: | but most grabbers don't provide it |
| [23:29:24] | sphery: | and what we get from SD is what they call the "onscreen" system |
| [23:31:14] | sphery: | so, I guess there's a place for it, but it's not often provided, and even when provided, it allows for lots of "missing info" |
| [23:32:58] | wagnerrp: | just wondering... per the wiki 'wish' for being able to edit recording metadata in mythweb, including adding season and episode numbers |
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| [23:33:29] | wagnerrp: | mmmm... files done transferring |
| [23:33:38] | wagnerrp: | hour and a half to get everything back up and running |
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| [23:34:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I have a patch that allows editing description with the current edit title/subtitle dialog (and I'm just waiting on a multiline textedit before committing) |
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| [23:35:34] | wagnerrp: | id be in trouble if i ever lost my home folder |
| [23:35:38] | sphery: | after that, I plan to modify program details to be mythui (not html), and have a "display" version and an "edit" version, where the latter allows editing any uesr-editable data |
| [23:35:45] | wagnerrp: | thats only the second time ive ever had to type in my ident password |
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| [23:41:39] | wagnerrp: | oops... helps to bring the big bag of screws down to the basement with you when you intend to install a new hard drive |
| [23:43:24] | sphery: | I still want to know how you copied terrabytes of data so quickly... |
| [23:44:04] | Beirdo: | got screws loose, eh? |
| [23:44:34] | kormoc: | sphery, carrier pigeon |
| [23:44:47] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:48:40] | Beirdo: | put the two drives together and hit them hard with a hammer, knocking all the bits from one drive to the other? |
| [23:48:52] | Beirdo: | just be sure to put the "source" drive on top :) |
| [23:48:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:49:05] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:49:22] | Beirdo: | I want to invent a drive cannon |
| [23:49:35] | sphery: | makes sense that wuold be faster than having to move the bits over a wire |
| [23:49:37] | Beirdo: | where you can put a 3.5" drive in there and fire it as a projectile |
| [23:50:16] | Beirdo: | but rectangular cannon bores... not so easy : |
| [23:50:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:50:31] | Beirdo: | make it like a mortar |
| [23:52:01] | wagnerrp: | that was smart, i cleared off the only PATA drive i had in that system to free up a port for another SATA drive |
| [23:52:19] | Beirdo: | hehhe |
| [23:52:20] | Beirdo: | ooops |
| [23:52:27] | Beirdo: | fire in the hole! |
| [23:53:06] | wagnerrp: | may as well swap at that completely unused 6600 in there for something a bit lower power while im at it |
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| [23:57:41] | kormoc: | sphery, does the backend use mysql.txt to connect to the db? |
| [23:58:11] | sphery: | it does if config.xml doesn't exist |
| [23:58:26] | sphery: | config.xml is preferred, then we fall back to mysql.txt, IIRC |
| [23:58:32] | kormoc: | sphery, but config.xml seems to only specify the frontend? |
| [23:58:49] | sphery: | but it's all the same for all of them because it's all Myth*Context code |
| [23:58:57] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [23:59:33] | sphery: | config.xml can have all of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . s/config.xml |
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