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Wednesday, July 28th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Luke_Wolf:

Hello, I do computer building and I've got a client who acts like this is a Department of Defense research project always changing up and adding things onto what they're expecting. Can the MythTV software handle 4 tvtuners at a single time? I'm setting up a terminal system here, and they want to have each terminal capable of viewing a different channel...

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iamlindoro:

Yes, MythTV can handle four tuners-- however, if you are not an extremely, extremely experienced MythTV user, I strongly caution against trying to set it up for anyone else

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Luke_Wolf:

what can happen?

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iamlindoro:

Configuring MythTV properly is complicated if you know what you are doing-- if you do not know MythTv inside and out, you can and will badly disappoint your client by misconfiguring it, rendering it very unstable, or taking forever and a day to make it work

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iamlindoro:

Worse yet, you are extremely likely to get it to a point where you think it works, and then spend months and months fixing every little mistake you made as your client uncovers them

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iamlindoro:

Then, six months from now you will blame MythTV instead of yourself for having having overcommited

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sphery:

or mistakes made by your client/as your client uses the system

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sphery:

but I agree

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Luke_Wolf:

just great... does anyone have a link to documentation on hand or know of any guides on setting this kind of insanity up?

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** kormoc ponders if we should use small/tiny ints for a lot of the databas **

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kormoc:

Luke_Wolf, the wiki and the website have plenty of docs. It's not insanity, it's just complex with a steep learning curve

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kormoc:

I mean do we really need to support 4 billion capture cards out of the box?

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iamlindoro:

The real trap is that an inexperienced MythTV user/administrator can get to a point where he has beaten himself bloody getting it to work, but has set countless timebombs that will render the system broken in a thousand small and infuriating ways

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iamlindoro:

like, for example, the admin forgets to tick a single checkbox and two weeks later the system has no listings

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iamlindoro:

or leaves a box unfilled and the next scan for videos removes the entire library

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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Luke_Wolf:

kormoc, I was more referring to my client's insistance of going "But can you make it do x"

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iamlindoro:

or configured the capture cards in the wrong order and LiveTV acts in a manner that confuses the hell out of a client

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kormoc:

and keep in mind listings are not free and change from time to time, so you'll need to update it

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iamlindoro:

or fails to explain to the client that LiveTV is the wrong way to try to watch TV and thus the client expects liveTV to work like his TV

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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kormoc:

Luke_Wolf, nah, you just prompted me to see what the current max was (4294967295)

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Luke_Wolf:

4 trillion.... it can support 4 trillion, who? why?...

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kormoc:

we have a master/slave setup, so you can keep adding as many slaves as you want

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sphery:

kormoc: probably wouldn't hurt, but the benefit is small compared to the work to change it :)

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sphery:

(at least for most of the ints)

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kormoc:

sphery, heh, well.... for indexing it does help (smaller indexes == faster lookups)

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kormoc:

but you're right, likely unnoticeable for most folks

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sphery:

I still have to get the "change text to varchar" patch done

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sphery:

that really wouldn't be very difficult, but I feel I should do #8564 and the backend/frontend orphaned file/metadata management

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sphery:

maybe I'll sneak the text change in first so it gets wider testing...

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gizmobay:

Device: /dev/sda, ATA error count increased from 960 to 984. Smartctl sent me the prevoius line in an email. Is my hd about to bite the dust?

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wagnerrp:

what does your drive say is the warning barrier?

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gizmobay:

hmm I'm not sure

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gizmobay:

is it in the manual?

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wagnerrp:

i know its in the man page somewhere

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wagnerrp:

probably in the --help string somewhere

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gizmobay:

I see

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gizmobay:

5 of the 15 say pre-fail the others say old age

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wagnerrp:

thats the type of indicator, not the current state

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gizmobay:

I see

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gizmobay:

-H says SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

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kormoc:

is the drive a seagate?

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gizmobay:

yes

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kormoc:

Seagate doesn't support FLOSS smart utilities, you need to use their bootdisk/tools to check the drive

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gizmobay:

okay, I have their disk utility. I'll check with it

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gizmobay:

thanks

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gizmobay:

i must run to check

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gizmobay:

bye

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sphery:

heh, testing a patch made me find a misconfiguration on my system

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sphery:

kormoc: [25448] should make startup bearable, again

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sphery:

if anyone knew I was watching Dr Doolittle 2 while coding, they would laugh at that comment

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I couldn't remember if I had seen the movie, so I recorded it. Then, after watching an hour and 15 minutes of it, I realized I had seen it, but stopping a movie mid-playback seems wrong

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Beirdo:

heh, been there

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mudphud:

so...anybody want to step a complete networking noob through streaming mythtv from one ubuntu setup to another on LAN?

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mudphud:

basically, i would just like to establish one as a server, the other as a client

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mudphud:

tried to do it with xmbc, but for some reason, can't get it set up. client couldn't find the server, no matter what i tried. completely ignored the LAN address

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sphery:

mudphud: just set up mythtv on the second system and run mythfrontend

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mudphud:

second system being the client end?

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mudphud:

mythtv backend on the server?

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sphery:

mudphud: the mythbackend server /must/ be configured with a real routable IP address and you can not use 127.0.0.1 or localhost /anywhere/ in the mythtv configuration

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sphery:

right, client end = mythfrontend system

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sphery:

server = mythbackend system

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sphery:

use mythtv-setup to verify that the backend has the proper hostname and IP address...

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sphery:

if the hostname is incorrect (if it's localhost), you must use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend to change the hostname to the real hostname of the system

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sphery:

so go into mythtv-setup on the backend system and in General Settings look at IP Address for "Master backend" and "This backend" (which should be the same, but can not be 127.0.0.1--should be the system's real IP)

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mudphud:

k. gimme a sec. i'll get these installed on the computers. i'm assuming the local ip is okay tho

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sphery:

you can find out what hostname it's using, now by looking at the mythbackend log file... Should say: 2010-07–27 21:48:24.547 Using localhost value of <myhostname>

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mudphud:

not home ip, the ip assigned by the router

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sphery:

and <myhostname> can't be localhost

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sphery:

right, real local IP address

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mudphud:

hold on...too fast, lol

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sphery:

and you can't use DHCP

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sphery:

IP address has to be static (so if your router assigns it, make sure you tell the router to always assign the same address)

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sphery:

i.e. 192.168.0.3 or whatever

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mudphud:

yeah, hold on. i already goofed something. didn't write down the sql password it gave me, nor the command to edit it, lol

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mzb:

I've just done an update (svn) as I had some issues last night

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mzb:

but now I've got an issue

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mzb:

no audio

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mzb:

AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, params(0,2,44100)

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mzb:

what am I doing wrong?

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mzb:

(previously working, of course!)

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kormoc:

we'd need more then that (pastebin)

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mzb:

yeah ... just trying to confirm that it _is_ mythtv

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mzb:

speaker-test not working

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mzb:

lol

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mzb:

master was muted

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mzb:

ok, now to work out why wminput is giving double key-presses

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mzb:

OSD has completely changed (theme?)

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kormoc:

OSD's are now part of the theme rather then a separate theme

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wagnerrp:

you know... i used to love this samsung monitor, but now i understand why it was so inexpensive

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wagnerrp:

the backlight is utter crap

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mzb:

so now I've remapped the arrow keys (they were producing 'double' events) to F13-F16 ... but the edit-keys app says "Pressed key not recognised"

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mzb:

any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the keymap only goes up to f12?

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clever:

mzb: how do you remap keys?, ive got some keys on my remote that show in xev as unknown?

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clever:

i can see the keycode but no key symbol/name

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mzb:

.Xmodmap

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mzb:

xev

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mzb:

etc

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clever:

yeah, thats how i figured out that the remote sucks

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clever:

if you hit the 'abc' key twice, (to type b), it will send a, backspace, b!

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clever:

mythtv wont like that very much

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mzb:

in my case I'm using wminput (wii remote)

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mzb:

all the keys work fine except for the arrow keys

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mzb:

which started doing double events _yesterday_

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kormoc:

so what did you do yesterday?

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kormoc:

or the day before?

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clever:

odd that it would just start one day

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mzb:

did an update

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mzb:

(apt-get)

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mzb:

strangely enough the F13 works fine on this laptop

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clever:

apt logs should say which version you had before, and let you undo it

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mzb:

classes it as 'Launch'

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kormoc:

might want to see what it upgraded and go from there rather then blindly moving forward

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clever:

if you downgrade just the wminput package, you can confirm that as the problem

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clever:

and then file a bug against them, or track it down yourself

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mzb:

I didn't change the wminput package

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mzb:

nor has anything in xserver input changed

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mzb:

(looking at the dpkg logs)

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mzb:

weird that it works on this laptop, and not on the mythbox

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mzb:

laptop runs lucid, mythbox runs squeeze

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mzb:

very difficult to set things on the mythbox atm, as my config for the keyboard isn't working properly either! ;)

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sphery:

kormoc: can you think of anything other than http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-ch . . . archar.patch I would have to do to convert text columns to varchar? It just seems too easy...

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sphery:

no indices come into play...

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sphery:

it seems to happen near instantaneously, so it doesn't seem to be moving actual data, so I don't know if there's some MySQL secret command to "Make it so."

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kormoc:

nope, that's all there is to it

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Beirdo:

"Engage"

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sphery:

kormoc: wow...

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sphery:

I can't think of any other MythTV-related thing that wuold need doing or fixing to deal with the change

[04:51:35]

Beirdo:

you messing with the db again? :)

[04:51:42]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

good man

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sphery:

should speed things up

[04:51:58]

sphery:

it's all kormoc's idea, though

[04:52:06]

sphery:

I'm just his slave labor

[04:52:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:52:28]

** kormoc cracks the whip **

[04:52:30]

Beirdo:

"fall guy"

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Beirdo:

OMG

[04:55:41]

kormoc:

Side note, baby pigeons are some of the ugliest birds in existence

[04:55:49]

Beirdo:

I was gonna try the vaapi stuff

[04:55:54]

Beirdo:

then I fell asleep

[04:55:55]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:56:30]

wagnerrp:

why does no one understand the difference between bits and bytes?

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Beirdo:

because *8 /8 is just too much

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I byte my food and bit my tongue

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[R]:

wagnerrp: because they think of eating... and get distracted

[04:57:21]

wagnerrp:

theres an article on Ars about some intel's fiber optic tech

[04:57:34]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:57:37]

Beirdo:

arse

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wagnerrp:

theyre talking about 50gbps getting you a bluray image in a second, and 1tbps getting your three full bluray seasons in a second

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yodalives:

anybody else having problems with x and y offset not working?

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kormoc:

light peak?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: apparently the successor to light peak

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wagnerrp:

intel themselves had some video, where they were discussing scaling to 'one terabit of data per second', and showed 1TB/s in their animation

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kormoc:

light peak was rated to 100 gbps

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kormoc:

ahh

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: stupid is as stupid does :)

[04:59:06]

wagnerrp:

oh? i thought it was only 10gbps

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Beirdo:

blargh

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Beirdo:

can't try another backend version until 11pm

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kormoc:

started at 10 but stopped at 100 iirc

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wagnerrp:

anyway, theyre basically talking about taking lightpeak and multiplexing dozens of channels of it at different frequencies into a single fiber

[05:00:28]

kormoc:

http://techresearch.intel.com/UserFiles/en-us . . . -v010710.pdf

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kormoc:

"Light Peak delivers high bandwidth starting at 10Gb/s with the potential ability to scale to 100Gb/s over the next decade."

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this is supposed to be here in 5

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kormoc:

ahh, interesting

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kormoc:

funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same

[05:02:16]

kormoc:

we dump cable for fiber and then start applying frequency tech to the fiber

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Beirdo:

kormoc, what was the name of the third show you were talking about? I'm sure it was SciFi-related

[05:02:45]

wagnerrp:

fiber always used frequency tech

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Beirdo:

got Warehouse 13, got Eureka, but I remember there was a 3rd one :)

[05:03:01]

wagnerrp:

Haven?

[05:03:09]

Beirdo:

coulda bee

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kormoc:

I don't think I would talk about Haven yet... not sold at all

[05:03:22]

wagnerrp:

*always – excluding the cheapo LED pumped fiber like TOSLINK

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kormoc:

Beirdo, anything more then sci-fi?

[05:03:39]

Beirdo:

in the car the other day...

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kormoc:

I know we talked about Merlin which is on syfy

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Beirdo:

heh, my memory sucketh

[05:03:52]

wagnerrp:

SciFi? or SyFy?

[05:04:10]

Beirdo:

oooh, that was likely it

[05:04:22]

Beirdo:

I'm just looking for more stuff to watch

[05:04:30]

wagnerrp:

no, i mean was it a sci-fi show? or a show on syfy?

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kormoc:

We also talked about Castle iirc

[05:05:02]

kormoc:

and the big bang theory is amusing

[05:05:20]

wagnerrp:

castle has the guy from firefly... scifi-ish i suppose

[05:05:24]

Beirdo:

mmmm, big bang theory is cool

[05:05:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: remembered the python bindings schema change this time :)

[05:06:11]

wagnerrp:

those are some impressive varchars

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sphery:

yeah, they're overkill, but...

[05:06:45]

wagnerrp:

was that the largest description you could find, times ten?

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sphery:

largest description I saw reported was 2824, but it wasn't a comprehensive survey

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kormoc:

Saturday morning breakfast cereal is a worthy xkcd challenger

[05:08:27]

sphery:

the 16K is basically "a nice round number about as big as it could be for the tables we have"

[05:08:29]

mzb:

answer: Option "AutoAddDevices" "False"

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mzb:

not completely sure what as changed .... must be something to do with xorg input (evdev?)

[05:09:18]

wagnerrp:

not 16384?

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** wagnerrp awaits the mailing list comments about not properly filling to their binary sized memory **

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wagnerrp:

:)

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sphery:

the size limit is imposed by the the total row size, not by varchar

[05:10:48]

Beirdo:

hmm, can't find Merlin currently, it seems

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kormoc:

season just ended

[05:12:31]

Beirdo:

crud :)

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sphery:

varchar can be up to 65535 chars, but the total row size can be up to 65535 bytes, and our chars can be up to 3 bytes each (utf-8) and we have about 2661 in the longest table with a description, so we could have done 20K, but even 16K is overkill

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sphery:

and with 16K we have some room for new columns

[05:14:20]

Beirdo:

so Rescue Me recorded in SD... stupid Discovery scheduling to 7:01pm

[05:16:56]

wagnerrp:

is next week shark week or something?

[05:18:08]

wagnerrp:

'MTV searches for a Twitter Jockey'.... WTF is a twitter jockey?

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kormoc:

it is shark week next week

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wagnerrp:

just seeing a lot of new titles with sharks

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, someone to make stupid comments on twitter when you really want to listen to your band tweeting

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wagnerrp:

amusingly, theres even an episode about jumping sharks

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kormoc:

ooh! We need to start using the intelligent design sort algo in myth, http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/intelligentdesignsort.html

[05:21:55]

wagnerrp:

clearly efficient enough to let that one guy run his backend on a Geode

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[R]:

isn't a geode a rock?

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wagnerrp:

and a low power AMD chip

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wagnerrp:

seems to be slightly less efficient per clock than netburst

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[R]:

how can anything be worse than netburst?

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mzb:

is there no longer an OSD theme? (or OSD theme setting?)

[05:26:09]

wagnerrp:

because at 500MHz, it has a TDP of 0.9W?

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[R]:

you know, clocks still confuse me

[05:26:30]

[R]:

because when people draw them, its nice and square

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[R]:

but when i use a scope... its all crazy and non-square-like

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wagnerrp:

youre such a square...

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[R]:

haha

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mzb:

plain black info popup is quite neat ... but a bit confusing on a black background

[05:27:16]

** wagnerrp waves **

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kormoc:

mzb, I answered that hours ago, no, they're part of the main theme now

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mzb:

I've had a look in the settings, and there no longer seems to be an option for OSD theme

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

thanks

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mzb:

I'm running blue-abstract, so I guess it's using an 'unthemed' (or default) OSD?

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wagnerrp:

more likely the OSD defaults

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mzb:

kk

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mzb:

ah, and it's ~6mths out of date ... better do that now, too ;)

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mzb:

arrgghh! ... the OSD in blue-abstract-wide == awful

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mzb:

what a shame

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Beirdo:

I think I just heard a volunteer to fix it

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mzb:

I mean it doesn't fit on the screen

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mzb:

nm, I'll just go back to an earlier version

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wagnerrp:

thats the spirit! :P

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

sorry ... been working on this system all day ... I'm sick of it (already!)

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mzb:

btw: I did eventually get around to doing events+X10

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mzb:

and have it working quite well

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mzb:

now I've changed it so that instead of dimming on any playback (during appropriate times), it only dims for anything in the 'Movie' recording group

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sphery:

running trunk but not wanting to work on the system... seems a bad idea.

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mzb:

yeah ... but it's _also_ the home tv

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mzb:

and as I've been hogging it all day, now $SHE wants it

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sphery:

that's what -fixes is for :)

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Beirdo:

does it automatically turn down the volume for the pr0n too?

[05:43:18]

mzb:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

lock the doors?

[05:43:32]

mzb:

well I have a choice between running fixes or trunk ... I can't do both

[05:43:42]

mzb:

and I have tried to contribute on occasion

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mzb:

(although I wouldn't class myself as a contributor)

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Beirdo:

hmmm.

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Beirdo:

syfy... Warehouse 13... why is this WWE?!

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wagnerrp:

wrestling is fiction too

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mzb:

I can say, however, that I _have_ spread the word, and that I know of quite a few ppl who've made the change to mythtv based on what they've seen of my system

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sphery:

WWarehousE 13?

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mzb:

so it's not all bad

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh nice

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mzb:

looks like I've lost it now ... playschool is on

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Beirdo:

and now a Ringbuf timeout

[05:46:05]

Beirdo:

there's a first

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Beirdo:

first 6 minutes... WWE crapola

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Beirdo:

why can't they quarantine WWE to its own channel?

[05:48:02]

** wagnerrp misses the old Wildlife Wrestling Federation **

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Beirdo:

yeah, the panda ruled

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sphery:

is WWE on SyFy?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

it seems so

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wagnerrp:

has been for 2–3 years now

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sphery:

OK, I understand the Fiction part, but where's the Science?

[05:49:12]

Beirdo:

totally retarded

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sphery:

someone should make a SciFi channel that shows SciFi

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sphery:

(or SF)

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Beirdo:

or at least no WWE :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

2010-07–27 22:46:14.710 NVP(5): Waited 100ms for video buffers AAAAAAAAAAAADDDLL

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Beirdo:

just what does that stream of letters mean?

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Beirdo:

to the average user?

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wagnerrp:

'im freaking out here man'

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kormoc:

it means nothing, which is why it's only shown with +playback log level

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Beirdo:

then it shoultd be AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

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Beirdo:

this is with no -v

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sphery:

AAAAAAAAAAAAttention DDDeficit (LLisorder?)

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kormoc:

oh huh

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kormoc:

my mistake

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Beirdo:

maybe it SHOULD be in playback :)

[05:53:24]

Beirdo:

but it ain't :)

[05:53:53]

Beirdo:

yummy iced latte

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sphery:

danielk once explained it on the lists

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sphery:

but I don't remember the answer (or the words he used--for searching)

[05:55:28]

Beirdo:

seems to be the output of GetFrameStatus

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sphery:

oooh, wow, there's a new video acceleration API from Intel: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/282027#282027

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Beirdo:

haha

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Beirdo:

3 years ago

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

with any luck, will be in 0.24

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sphery:

it's important to note, however, that it's not MythTV that's slow in implementing it

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 60209#160209

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sphery:

'nuff said?

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kormoc:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ffer;#169836

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kormoc:

"'A'vailable means that the buffer is available for decoding onto."

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Beirdo:

just found it in the code :)

[06:00:49]

** sphery turns in his golden scepter of searching so the new king can wield it **

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kormoc:

heh

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sphery:

AAAAAALAULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAUAUUUULUULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAALAAAAAAAAAAAAAUAALAAAAAAAAA AAAAUUAUUALAAAAAAAUAAUAAUAALAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAULAAL UUULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUU

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I should have remembered that search term

[06:01:55]

kormoc:

you have a lot of frames in limbo

[06:01:56]

sphery:

6 simple words

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wagnerrp:

sphery: taking up hawaiian hula dancing?

[06:02:11]

sphery:

heh

[06:02:32]

sphery:

no, those are the search terms to use next time I want to find danielk's mention of what the status letters mean

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kormoc:

to be fair, "Your search for video buffer in posts made by danielk at cuymedia returned 21 results"

[06:02:45]

kormoc:

I didn't have that many to dig though

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sphery:

I did Waited for video buffers by danielk

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sphery:

didn't find any

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Beirdo:

ooooh, I can restart the backend now should I want to

[06:03:50]

sphery:

him and his trimming...

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sphery:

Beirdo: finished recording WWE :)

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Beirdo:

Covert Affairs actually :)

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sphery:

don't know what that is, but it sounds much better than WWE

[06:05:01]

Beirdo:

new show on USA

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Beirdo:

featuring Piper Perabo as a new CIA agent

[06:05:38]

wagnerrp:

follows some young upwardly mobile CIA trainee

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sphery:

I'm sold

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sphery:

if only I had USA

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Beirdo:

you don't? awww

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wagnerrp:

no cable

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kormoc:

He's a COMMIE!

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sphery:

ota ftw

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sphery:

(but not for the USA)

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Beirdo:

your loss

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sphery:

not that I'm against the USA

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Beirdo:

anti-American swine!

[06:07:14]

sphery:

what's with that black van that just pulled up out front

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wagnerrp:

oh, that black van is just a decoy for the helicopter circling overhead

[06:08:03]

sphery:

heh

[06:08:33]

Beirdo:

Hmmm, I should go actually startup the GMA500 box and install the myth code on it

[06:09:16]

Beirdo:

but I'm kinda not feeling like it

[06:09:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[06:09:29]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i dont know... i dont think the show is 'dark' enough

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mzb:

hmm ... no nuv playback :(

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: dark? :) give them time.

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Beirdo:

or maybe she'll shed some clothes

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wagnerrp:

there just no sense of danger for the characters

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you must have loved BSG

[06:11:04]

wagnerrp:

never watched it

[06:11:21]

wagnerrp:

have it... all four seasons... just havent gotten around to it

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sphery:

I'm through S3 and have 4 ready to watch--just need the time

[06:12:07]

sphery:

it's very dark, though

[06:13:18]

Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

theres no red shirts to keep the suspense up

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sphery:

sometimes I think they're all wearing red undershirts

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wagnerrp:

i think BSG will just piss me off with all the characters that are secretly cylons

[06:14:44]

wagnerrp:

oh look, its a twist, and another twist

[06:14:45]

sphery:

yeah, that part isn't my favorite

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wagnerrp:

and theyre a cylon too, TWIST!

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sphery:

I think the part I love is the constant impossibility of the situations

[06:15:23]

wagnerrp:

like a bad m.night shyamalan movie

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sphery:

meaning no matter what they do/how hard they try, it doesn't matter

[06:16:18]

sphery:

so that means like every one of his movies since The Sixth Sense?

[06:17:31]

wagnerrp:

you know, seeing the end of Signs makes me wish i had just stayed home

[06:17:35]

kormoc:

Don't forget the masterpiece that was signs! Those aliens being all sneaky and taking a farmer from a poison planet! You never would suspect it!

[06:18:06]

wagnerrp:

i didnt even pay to see it, and i still wanted my time back

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Beirdo:

got tired of carrying that branch around.

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sphery:

how about Unbreakable... Made me very mad.

[06:19:21]

sphery:

and The Village and The Happening...

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Beirdo:

heheh

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sphery:

haven't seen The Last Airbender, yet...

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wagnerrp:

guy ritchie wraps his movies up in a tight little bundle and makes them fun... shyamalan wraps his movies up in a tight little bundle and gives brain aneurysms

[06:19:53]

** Beirdo bends some air. **

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kormoc:

I liked the village and signs up until the very last twist

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kormoc:

unbreakable... hrm... I really want to like it, but.... I donno

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sphery:

yeah, maybe I just need to learn to stop the movie 10min before the end

[06:20:39]

kormoc:

I've been told the last airbender is horrible and the youtube clips seem to agree

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

when I heard about it, I figured that make it official--they /have/ used up all the good titles for movies

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wagnerrp:

4.3 on IMDB

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kormoc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwccNqklC_k

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kormoc:

that's the quality of the movie

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sphery:

so he's the guy that James Cameron's movie was about?

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wagnerrp:

the laughter from the peanut gallery is choice

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wagnerrp:

wow that is cheesy and anti-climactic

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sphery:

OK, I think I saw air benders and earth benders and fire benders, but no water benders

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wagnerrp:

didnt they spend a huge amount of money on this movie?

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sphery:

I think I'd rather watch shiny metal Bender

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kormoc:

150 million according to wikipedia

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sphery:

cost or revenue

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kormoc:

the girl is a water bender if it follows the cartoon

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sphery:

oh

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kormoc:

sphery, budget, revenue is 151 million so far

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sphery:

I guess she was "out of her element" :)

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wagnerrp:

(worldwide)

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wagnerrp:

and thats just production

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sphery:

wow, so spend $150M to make $1m :)

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wagnerrp:

doesnt include marketing, distribution, etc...

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sphery:

as a certain president would say, "could be worse" :)

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wagnerrp:

and i doubt that is going to do well on DVD sales

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wagnerrp:

was avatar really worthy of a #110 on imdb?

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wagnerrp:

i never saw it

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sphery:

#110?

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wagnerrp:

but it seemed rather contrived to me

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kormoc:

nah

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sphery:

it was good, but, IMHO, not anywhere near as good as was said

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kormoc:

Says it all: http://www.thefunnyblog.org/wp-content/upload . . . cahontas.jpg

[06:30:17]

wagnerrp:

i might understand a solid 7.0, but not an 8.3

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sphery:

kormoc: you're right: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3536159488/tt0938283

[06:31:22]

sphery:

kormoc: oh, my... that is so... wow.

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i was thinking it more a remake of this one... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104254/

[06:31:52]

kormoc:

true enough

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kormoc:

but yeah, all those folks claiming it's such a awesome movie... bah... it's a remake and it's pretty, but nothing more

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wagnerrp:

glamored by special effects and 3D

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kormoc:

indeed

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sphery:

and--having only seen the 2D version--I don't see how 3D could have added anything to the movie

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sphery:

(other than distractions and headaches)

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kormoc:

my 3d wasn't working right, so yeah, all I got was headaches

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wagnerrp:

Strange Days, that was creative... but Avatar, just a rehash of an old story

[06:37:38]

wagnerrp:

certainly nothing that he had been dreaming up for the last 20 years and only now had the technology to pull it off, as he had claimed

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sphery:

Inception is #3 movie on imdb?

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wagnerrp:

crap... thats just not right

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wagnerrp:

its been out for two weeks

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sphery:

how do they get that?

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sphery:

the votes aren't ordered--even for rating ties

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sphery:

"only votes from regular voters are considered"

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sphery:

I knew I should have had another bowl of oatmeal before voting

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Beirdo:

OK, modified my git branch rebasing script ;)

[06:41:31]

Beirdo:

so now I can base my stuff as master -> trunk (local) -> blah

[06:41:57]

Beirdo:

master being trunk from svn

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sphery:

yeah, the imdb top list is bs: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0499549

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sphery:

there goes Beirdo rebasing trac again

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sphery:

it's like it's the 80's all over again

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Beirdo:

I'll rebase YOU

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what all do you consider wrong about it?

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sphery:

just seems to be way too contemporary for top 250 movies

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sphery:

too many current (still in theaters) movies in it to make it believalbe

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wagnerrp:

22 movies from the past decade in the top 100

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sphery:

yeah

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** kormoc should watch taxi driver again **

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kormoc:

now that was a awesome movie

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sphery:

and, I don't think movies are really getting that much better

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sphery:

especially if you factor in the actual story

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wagnerrp:

another 35 in the next 150

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sphery:

I will say that they at least have King Kong (1933) in there instead of the recent remake

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wagnerrp:

i think its skewed since most voters are only going to see newer movies

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sphery:

right

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Beirdo:

ergh

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Beirdo:

can't compile vaapi build on my mythbox

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

and movies in the theater are more impressive than on your home TV

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sphery:

do you have the splitted desktop?

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Beirdo:

was hoping to build on the mythbox, then make install on the box

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Beirdo:

on the gma500 box, yes

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sphery:

oh

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kormoc:

I've seen the majority of their top 150, including the old ones

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Beirdo:

not on the mythbox

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Beirdo:

and ./configure --enable-vaapi silently disabled it

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wagnerrp:

i would like to see some limiter on there that it wont show up until its at least on DVD

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Beirdo:

markk needs to fix the configure to belch loudly if libva isn't available :)

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wagnerrp:

maybe require several years before its allowed on the top list

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wagnerrp:

i cant say anything about inception

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wagnerrp:

but i do find it a bit hard to choke down that toy story 3 is #9

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, perhaps avg_score * (voters floored to the nearest 100000)?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's made up, live with it :)

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** kormoc writes up a patch **

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justinh:

since imdb is owned by amazon maybe it's safe to take from this the list is weighted to bolster disc sales ;-)

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kormoc:

heh

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: im thinking more something that would bell curve fit each individual users' voting pattern

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wagnerrp:

if they only vote 8–10s, they get down weighted

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sphery:

imdb is amazon?

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wagnerrp:

if their a tool who runs around spamming 0–2s, they get up weighted

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sphery:

so amazon steals your input...

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justinh:

sphery: thought you'd know that

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sphery:

didn't realize it

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justinh:

they started really cracking down on scrapers just after amazon bought em AFAIK

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sphery:

wow

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AndyCap:

I would think there's a lot of self-selection going on

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sphery:

the whole pro thing is crazy

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wagnerrp:

that way, if you vote on both sides of the scale, your votes carry more weight

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wagnerrp:

or maybe weight your votes based off your standard deviation

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wagnerrp:

that might be interesting

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AndyCap:

http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom here they barely crack 5 figure votes

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justinh:

anyway in my experience any such list always has at least one ringer ;-)

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wagnerrp:

of course i dont thin any statistician would take IMDB's scores as anything like a reliable poll

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wagnerrp:

anything that produces an inverse bell curve is rife with fail

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justinh:

ugh. they remade The Karate Kid? :-\

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wagnerrp:

with the Smith kid, wasnt it?

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** Beirdo grumbles **

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AndyCap:

I see Albert Pyun somehow escaped the bottom 100, must be the low number of votes

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Beirdo:

so... should I install vaapi on my main mythbox so I can build...

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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justinh:

wagnerrp: apparently so. I didn't know

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Beirdo:

well, look at that.

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Beirdo:

my only remaining active tickets... all mythgallery

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

let's compile in that animated gif support so I can go mess with it

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Beirdo:

who's doing mythnews, BTW?

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mzb:

what can I do to find out why nuv playback isn't working?

[07:16:20]

mzb:

I've enabled -v playback but couldn't see anything that seemed obviously bad

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Beirdo:

sphery: who's the mythnews maintainer?

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Beirdo:

any clue?

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Beirdo:

Maintainers shows nothing

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm taking the ticket then

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Beirdo:

omg

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Beirdo:

no switching branches WHILE compiling

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Beirdo:

OMG, these Quiznos commercials with the "singing kittens" are atrocious

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justinh:

wth is a Quiznos?

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justinh:

huh? using kittens to advertise fast food? there be wrongness thar

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Beirdo:

Quiznos has decently yummy subs... a bit expensive though

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Beirdo:

and the commercials suck

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justinh:

oof. guess what just showed up in my mythtv twitter feed. a rar'd copy of 'hacking mythtv' on some sharing site

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justinh:

and the 'report abuse' link on hotfile.com asks for a properly constructed DMCA notice. nice

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

our oldest ticket is now closed.

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justinh:

#12 ?

[08:06:52]

Beirdo:

#724

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Beirdo:

the oldest open ticket :)

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Beirdo:

which was actually no longer valid

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justinh:

awww. No MondayOSDTimeoutSubtitle ?

[08:08:46]

Beirdo:

no

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justinh:

:D

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Beirdo:

screw all that

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

almost a 5yr-old bug

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justinh:

hmm. got an invitation to a briefing from the directors at 10am

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Beirdo:

how many open-source projects even LAST 5 years?

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justinh:

an invitation.... I'd interpret that as saying I don't have ot go

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mzb:

guest of honour?

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Beirdo:

I'd interpret as... bring them tea/coffee just to be sure :)

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mzb:

;)

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justinh:

nah it's just some kind of BS about them being more open about what the company is up to

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Beirdo:

they fire you to your face now?

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justinh:

from an amateur racing car driver, a disgraced former non-exec director of a UK car company the govt sold down the river...

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Beirdo:

sphery... you up?

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Beirdo:

2010-07–28 01:11:39.023 Checking database tables.

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Beirdo:

2010-07–28 01:12:33.019 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1261

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Beirdo:

this was with me playing back and doing a commflag

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Beirdo:

I killed, restarted the backend

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justinh:

Beirdo: just thought of something where you likely don't want an osd timeout.. the channel editor ;-)

[08:14:09]

Beirdo:

heh, fair enough

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Beirdo:

but I don't think the setup program does much if anything with the OSD

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justinh:

oh, and what about a 'random column width' feature for mythui? Just to give every theme the chance to look like it was never tested

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justinh:

;)

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justinh:

channel editor in livetv I meant

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Beirdo:

2010-07–28 01:14:38.252 MythSocket(7fdbb486b810:45): Unable to lookup:

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Beirdo:

2010-07–28 01:14:38.252 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket), Error: Could not connect to server :6543

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justinh:

or has that gone now?

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Beirdo:

errr, WTH is that?

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Beirdo:

that's new

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justinh:

eew

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Beirdo:

the joys of running trunk :)

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Beirdo:

get to be the bleeding edge on all the silly buglets

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Beirdo:

wonder if there are ways to make commflag faster for H.264...

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Beirdo:

it's pretty accurate, but god-awful slow

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Beirdo:

searching for logo takes like half an hour or something

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bellamy:

Hello everyone

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justinh:

well that's 4 of us on this floor who didn't go

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mzb:

which of the themes have fanart for the recordings page?

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justinh:

arclight does, I know for sure

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mzb:

is that a 'vertical' or 'horizontal' menu?

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justinh:

vertical

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mzb:

k, thanks

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Beirdo:

I HATE C++

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

expecially Qt

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: heh, what do you prefer then?

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Beirdo:

anything that's debuggable?!

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Beirdo:

I don't get why mythweather is suddenly causing me grief

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AndyCap:

temperatures are up in the triple digits? :ÅP

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Beirdo:

hardly

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Beirdo:

nah, it just core dumps.

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Beirdo:

in QNetworkAccessManager

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Beirdo:

it never did before

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Beirdo:

so I'm wondering if it's in the code that gbee just did, or it something's been broken even longer

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gbee:

my patch didn't touch anything relating to the network, but the easiest way to find out is to revert the patch

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Beirdo:

that's what I'm doing now.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

building without the patch in there (different branch)

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Beirdo:

if it still blows up, I dunno what's going on

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Beirdo:

and it does

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Beirdo:

OK, so it's not your patch anyways

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Beirdo:

making again with --compile-type=debug

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Beirdo:

usually don't need it

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Beirdo:

it's coredumping on trying to load the first image, it seems

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justinh:

so much for optional. we got rounded up

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Beirdo:

?

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Beirdo:

oh, yer meeting

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justinh:

haven't had to stand in a room like that for 45 mins straight since I was at school

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Beirdo:

mooooooo

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justinh:

they have a word in Yorkshire for those kind of people. Blatherskites

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hot_wheelz:

can anyone confirm if there is a bug raised relating to the Video frame buffer failed too many times issue?....I don't think i am the only one that see this error popup

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gbee:

hot_wheelz: there are many possible causes for that error, even if a ticket open it wouldn't hurt to open another with information/logs relating to your specific circumstances, details of hardware/drivers/video codecs etc would all be required plus frontend logs with -v playback

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gbee:

sorry, that should read 'even if a ticket is already open'

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gbee:

considering my typing skills it's amazing they let me anywhere near the code

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I've found some bluray which won't play here, but I'm working on the assumption that it's a libav* bug with DTS and not something wrong with myth

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gbee:

iamlindoro: mention it just in case we get similar reports, no need to spend any time debugging unless it persists after the resync

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hot_wheelz:

gbee...Thx i'll let u know if i get stuck :-)

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justinh:

wth is 'tuxonice' ?

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gbee:

game?

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justinh:

some suspend gizmo apparently

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Beirdo:

OK. My debugging is done.

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justinh:

I'd still much prefer to see TuxOnFire

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Beirdo:

Ticket created (for Captain_Murdoch)

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Beirdo:

turns out... doing NULL->cache() doesn't work too well :)

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gbee:

justinh: ah, I was thinking of http://tuxracer.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html

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justinh:

heh. tux really is on ice in that.

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gbee:

yup :)

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justinh:

so, TuxOnIce is really an STD solution (suspend to disk) ;-)

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gbee:

should have been TuxInBed

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Beirdo:

speaking of bed...

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** Beirdo crashes **

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gbee:

for all your STD needs

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justinh:

ouch. their demo video doesn't make me want to go anywhere near it

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SNIFFER_dog:

anyone able to give some tech support on onboardsound

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justinh:

I can shut down properly & reboot in the time it takes them to suspend that machine

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justinh:

SNIFFER_dog: #alsa possibly

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justinh:

no that wasn't an invite to MSG me

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justinh:

it was a suggestion you try asking in #alsa

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SNIFFER_dog:

sorry im getting my head round this mIRC

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SNIFFER_dog:

ah I see

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SNIFFER_dog:

p.s. how do you reply with my name in the message before

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justinh:

mIRC should go die in a fire. of all the IRC clients I've ever used it's bad

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justinh:

p.s. how do you read the manual of your IRC client?

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SNIFFER_dog:

true, but im hoping the guys in here will help with my Linux issuses cos im shooting in the dark most of the time

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justinh:

I start typing the nick & press TAB

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justinh:

this channel is for issues people have with mythtv, funny enough

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justinh:

if you need somebody to hold your hand while you get used to linux, here isn't the right place

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SNIFFER_dog:

sure will ask the relervant section

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Essobi:

Morning.

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Twiggy2cents:

Does anybody have a little time for a question on nuvexport quality settings on xvid?

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justinh:

I dunno. you could try asking a more direct question

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Twiggy2cents:

well I wanted to check to see if there were any active people in here first ;)

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport should cover most of the bases

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Twiggy2cents:

I have my xvid settings on a quantisataion of 2 and height of 624 (width auto). I end up with a 644Mb AVI but it stutters on fast scenes. I havent tried multipass yet to see if that will change it

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Twiggy2cents:

Whats your thoughts?

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justinh:

I'd have thought stuttering would be a playback problem not an encoding issue

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm it plays all of the other movies fine.. (for reference my average tv show that was downloaded from the interenet is about 380 Mb)

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Twiggy2cents:

I havent tried on another computer. Is xvid unfriendly to some players?

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Twiggy2cents:

what format and approximate size does transcode do? For reference on a 6 Gb tv show?

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justinh:

fwiw you shouldn't be talking about dodgy stuff in here. we don't want to know where you got your tv episodes thanks

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Twiggy2cents:

... why its not like its soo booming with chat in here

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justinh:

maybe you should read the FAQ

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Twiggy2cents:

of what?

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justinh:

Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC

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justinh:

particularly the section entitled "Legally-Dubious Content"

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Twiggy2cents:

so what you are saying is when the wiki says to come to this chan for help it actually means come to this chan to see how many people idle in it and in the end still not get your answer due to people wanting to spend more time explaining legality than to help with the issue

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Twiggy2cents:

Gotcha

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justinh:

no I'm saying not to talk about illegally downloaded content here

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justinh:

in a LOGGED channel

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Twiggy2cents:

i never said the means of how it was obtained.

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justinh:

tv show downloaded from the internet. generally means a grey area

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justinh:

and no, I don't know the answers to your questions because a) I don't transcode any recordings and b) I think the majority of tv isn't worth keeping anyway – and if I *did* I wouldn't choose AVI as an archiving container

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Twiggy2cents:

Well the only reason I am trying to get it to a decent size is because the backend runs on a dedicated machine and I cant stream a 6 gig mpeg over wireless smootly

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justinh:

ouch

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont really want to keep them. Just copy them to the computer I want to watch it on

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justinh:

part of the reason I don't actually transcode stuff is I've tried a lot in the past – eventually I just gave up & decided to take the hit on disk space for the rare times I decide to archive something

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Twiggy2cents:

well I have the smace. I am close to running a line back there and streaming uncompressed stuff

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justinh:

tbh in your shoes right now I'd be thinking how I could get network cables into the equation. wireless is fine for web access & junk but not video – certainly HD

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justinh:

many people come here with tales of their wireless woes, and nobody who sits idling here is ever surprised :)

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Twiggy2cents:

LOL thats what I was saying the post above yours

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Twiggy2cents:

I have a line I just dont want to run it

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justinh:

the bare fact is you just can't beat wired networking. you can have freedom of movement or speed & reliability

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Twiggy2cents:

My wireless transfer degrades on huge files too. It starts at like 2.6Mbs a second and goes down slowly. By the middle of a 600 mb file its at 1100kbs and by the end about 700kbs

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justinh:

yow

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justinh:

mpeg2 HD is anything up to 14Mb/sec apparently

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justinh:

guessing you're on about HD when you say 6GB per show

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah some are 720 some are 1080

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justinh:

if your playback hardware can cope with it it'd be a big shame to transcode it to something crappy enough to pass over wireless

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Twiggy2cents:

Well its not streaming over wireless. I am just copying it to the main computer, watching it, then deleteing it. Which would take forever on a uncompressed mpeg

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justinh:

mpeg IS compressed :)

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Twiggy2cents:

I think I will just run a line rather than deal with that

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justinh:

if you can, I would

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Twiggy2cents:

lol I guess I mean a very lightly compressed format as opposed to avi

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justinh:

wireless is great for a lot of things, and some would say 'cool'

[14:24:39]

justinh:

but for media.. maybe music.. at a push

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah. Its just so convenent. Im gonna go out on a limb and guess that wireless N networks still dont compare to Wired even though their numbers claim higher

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justinh:

the numbers are always theoretical maximums

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justinh:

i.e. on the right day of the week, at the right time of day, with the wind behind you

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justinh:

and in completely ideal situations – i.e. no other RF energy around ;)

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justinh:

I really can't wait to see how bad UWB is

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Twiggy2cents:

UWB?

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quicksilver:

bluetooth mice and PS3 controllers seem to work OK

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quicksilver:

but they are of course very low bandwidth

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justinh:

wireless USB, basically

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justinh:

though IIRC UWB was being touted for wireless display connections & all sorts

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Twiggy2cents:

hm well technology has to move forwards at some point

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justinh:

forwards doesn't have to mean more wireless ;)

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justinh:

like who cares if we have to have cables behind the TV – they're *BEHIND* the TV where we can't see em :D

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Twiggy2cents:

albeit not the best quality but you have to appriciate the ability to wirelessly stream netflix to a blueray player or tv

[14:44:56]

Twiggy2cents:

thats a big deal to the average comsumer that doesnt pay enough attention to see the lack of details

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justinh:

I'm no 'Joe Schmoe' :D

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justinh:

still holding out on HD too

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justinh:

I find it hilarious how long disc startup times are

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justinh:

it's the 21st century

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Twiggy2cents:

on what blueray?

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justinh:

yup

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont have blueray

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Twiggy2cents:

Too expensive for movies and the player its self

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justinh:

I was reading a review of a new player & the guy said it was amazingly fast at 1.5 minutes to start playing a disc

[14:47:28]

justinh:

I was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? So looked into it some more. Turned out 1.5 minutes was pretty fast at the time lol

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justinh:

who the heck is putting up with that? :-O

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Twiggy2cents:

ha! Thats rediculous. Does it have to create a HUGE buffer or something?

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justinh:

apparently a lot of it's due to the disc itself having a virtual machine & junk

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justinh:

java

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quicksilver:

justinh: also, the extra complexity loses convenience features

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johnnyj:

so has anyone seen the "Please wait, this channel should be available shortly" message from their cable provider?

[14:48:58]

quicksilver:

some DVD players – the PS3 for example – if you put in the DVD you were playing yesterday, automatically resume where you left off.

[14:49:05]

quicksilver:

they can't do that for bluray

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justinh:

but nothing

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johnnyj:

looks like a black background with squares on the screen? indicates a singal issue or the box needs reset/reboot

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justinh:

I don't want newer tech to take longer than older tech to do the SAME thing

[14:50:14]

justinh:

it might not be the same thing as such technically, but in the eyes of the person pressing play it is

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quicksilver:

justinh: I got a Mac from circa 1994 out of the attic the other day. About 10 seconds to boot from cold, a further 2 seconds to launch MS Word and load a long-ish document.

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quicksilver:

justinh: try that on a modern computer...

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

yeah but minutes rather than seconds to load up a disc

[14:51:29]

justinh:

that's just fairy tale talk

[14:51:30]

** iamlindoro casually notes that blu-ray playback in Myth supports resume just fine **

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: interesting.

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justinh:

yeh well now bluray playback is coming to linux at last we don't all need worry about how crap hardware players are

[14:52:29]

justinh:

still though, I find it incredible the public is putting up with it

[14:52:35]

justinh:

nevermind the DRM etc

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johnnyj:

so myth recorded an hour of this "Please wait" screen last night and I missed a program that's not being rebroadcast for a week

[14:53:47]

johnnyj:

sorry, it was firday night, but same difference

[14:54:09]

justinh:

johnnyj: and this is mythtv's fault how? ;-)

[14:54:12]

johnnyj:

I was curious if anyone had a solution to this or if maybe I could start working on way to detect this issue

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johnnyj:

justinh: im not throwing blame – im discussing a possible patch I'm interesting in writing

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: You should speak to your cable company-- that screen was output by your box, it's nothing user serviceable

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justinh:

pattern recognition... then what do you do – power cycle the STB & hope it comes back on the right channel?

[14:55:27]

justinh:

it's a very tall order to do it automagically

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johnnyj:

justinh: hopefully I can reschedule the recording since this one isn't working

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iamlindoro:

It also runs dangerously close to trying to read the user's intentions and potentially doing very bad things

[14:56:24]

iamlindoro:

ie, it's the kind of thing that you might spend massive amounts of work doing and then be very likely to see rejected

[14:57:02]

iamlindoro:

(which is not to discourage your desire to improve myth, just expressing what would probably happen with that kind of patch)

[14:57:54]

johnnyj:

iamlindoro: i'm not quite following – is there some limitation to what we want myth to be able to detect a user is viewing?

[14:58:01]

johnnyj:

like a privacy issue?

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: parsing the video output and trying to decide whether it is "bad" or "good" and then making an irreversible decision based on that automated decision is unlikely to be included in myth

[14:59:31]

johnnyj:

iamlindoro: i can see that – what about the lack of audio on a 1 hour recording?

[14:59:33]

iamlindoro:

Moreover, it's the kind of thing probably better done as a user job

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justinh:

johnnyj: what about it?

[14:59:50]

iamlindoro:

What about it? There are programs that have little or no audio

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justinh:

send a rocket to the cable co

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iamlindoro:

ie NASA tv, etc.

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iamlindoro:

The kind of thing you are talking about doing really belongs as a user job

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justinh:

0 byte recordings on the other hand... ;-)

[15:00:46]

iamlindoro:

On a related note, I *do* believe myth should handle 0 byte and severely corrupted recordings natively

[15:00:47]

iamlindoro:

ha

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justinh:

but we need ammo to nip those in the bud from day one not work around ;-)

[15:01:05]

justinh:

(ideally)

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justinh:

dunno how the hell I ended up with a device already in use error from mythbackend the other week

[15:01:42]

justinh:

something racey I expect

[15:01:57]

justinh:

I've since disabled active EIT scanning & it's not happened again since it seems

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johnnyj:

and to be clear I understand this is truly a cable provider issue, I'm just operating from a 'what can I honestly expect to improve or control?' attitude – ie: TWC doesn't care and can't fix this

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justinh:

vote with your wallet, then :)

[15:02:57]

iamlindoro:

your provider *does* care

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justinh:

say either give me something that works & is reliable or I go

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iamlindoro:

at least, they care insofar as they must provide you the channels you pay for

[15:03:22]

iamlindoro:

So if the box can't produce the programming, they are obliged to fix it

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justinh:

did you try unplugging the STB & plugging it back in again?

[15:03:54]

justinh:

oh, and are you sure you waited *exactly* 30 seconds before powering it on again?

[15:04:05]

justinh:

(etc, ad nauseum)

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johnnyj:

the next recording worked fine

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justinh:

well sometimes our virgin STB shoots a popup onscreen saying we don't get a channel we get

[15:05:12]

johnnyj:

i'm guessing they pushed an update to the STB and it wasn't ready yet – which has happened before

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johnnyj:

but I see where a user job could do this – something to verify that an acceptable or expected amount of audio is present – if it ran soon enough it would have re-recorded this on the 2 hour later rebroadcast

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johnnyj:

so what I mean is thanks guys

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sphery:

Beirdo: Strange...

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sphery:

don't know why it would take 1min+

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sphery:

Is that after [25448

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Beirdo:

that's with trunk, AFAIK

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Beirdo:

but the system was busyish

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Beirdo:

just thought I'd let ya know

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Beirdo:

I haven't restarted it since, so I'm not sure what's going on there

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sphery:

was just wondering if it was with the "ignore non-MyISAM tables" change or not

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Beirdo:

it was

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Beirdo:

immediately after, it applied the latest schema

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Beirdo:

which woulda been the text->varchar, I think

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sphery:

hmmm... strange

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Beirdo:

but it may have been because it was commflagging, and maybe that didn't die quickly when I killed the backend?

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sphery:

I'll see if kormoc has any ideas on what could cause a very long check. It's definitely way beyond my MySQL knowledge.

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Beirdo:

just guessing there

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sphery:

that kind of makes sense...

[16:00:13]

Beirdo:

if the commflag were still active, not dead yet, it could have been just waiting for the locks

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sphery:

if the commflagger was using a table, it may not have been able to get a lock?

[16:00:25]

sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's my guess

[16:01:18]

Beirdo:

as it was commflagging H.264 1080i, it may have taken a moment to notice it was supposed to fall over dead :)

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Beirdo:

how odd. my linode is idle (99%), but load average of 3

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Beirdo:

wonder what's sitting around being stupid today

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sphery:

I don't think commflagger will die on its own

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Beirdo:

it does

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sphery:

really?

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Beirdo:

as it's forked from the backend.

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sphery:

I'll have to test it

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Beirdo:

doesn't it?

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sphery:

I think on mine it just reparents to init

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I know when I kill the backend, commflagging always seems to stop

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Beirdo:

never really looked into the details

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sphery:

since we don't have a real mythbackend shutdown (just kill it--and, TTBOMK, no sig handler for term/kill), it must be up to the system?

[16:04:18]

Beirdo:

I'd think so

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Beirdo:

anyways, that's my bet on why it took a while :)

[16:05:58]

Beirdo:

I had a fun night

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Beirdo:

the network downloading thingy has what seems to be a race condition on startup

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

kills my frontend every time I try to use mythweather

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Beirdo:

the A-Team will be fixing it

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sphery:

While testing the "skip innodb tables" I found that I had a misconfiguration

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sphery:

MySQL switched InnoDB to a plugin and I didn't realize this, so I didn't configure MySQL to load it, so my server didn't have InnoDB support

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Beirdo:

oops

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Beirdo:

kaboom

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sphery:

So when restoring backups and when creating new schemas, it just "fell back" to using MyISAM for MythWeather

[16:08:10]

sphery:

and, yeah, MW went kaboom when I tried to enter it.

[16:08:25]

sphery:

(though that may have been because of the 0.21-fixes script configs...)

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Beirdo:

nasty

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sphery:

some users have said they're using MyISAM for MW without issues...

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Beirdo:

and, if ya noticed... #724 is toast

[16:09:06]

sphery:

some users who don't understand/care that InnoDB was used for a purpose (because the code was written to use foreign key constraints, etc.)

[16:09:27]

sphery:

Yeah, noticed that. Very glad to see it. We now have a much more on-topic ticket for it

[16:09:28]

Beirdo:

I opened a task ticket (with gigem's comment) to look at OSD timeouts again, and closed the oldest ticket we had open

[16:09:31]

Beirdo:

muhahahah

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: for what its worth, that 'lightly compressed format' you were calling mpeg2 is actually /very/ compressed

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wagnerrp:

your recordings are ~15mbps, while raw uncompressed 1080i is around 1.5gbps

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Beirdo:

anywho... I should get dressed and start heading for work

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Beirdo:

it's a slow-start day for me, but I knew I'd be in late late tonight deploying software, so...

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sphery:

heh, have a good day at work

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, wow you read up on the logs dont you!

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sphery:

he's our all-seeing-wagnerrp

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, well what would a noncompressed format average when a 1 hour show is 6 gb?

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sphery:

there's a picture of him above the pyramid on the US dollar bill

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

oh sorry wagnerrp I didnt read the post after that one

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wagnerrp:

1.5gbps times one hour... about 675GB

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Twiggy2cents:

yeah jeeze so good thing the tuner has a on the fly encoder huh

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wagnerrp:

your tuner does not encode on-the-fly

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wagnerrp:

there is nowhere near enough spectrum in the airwaves to do uncompressed video

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wagnerrp:

we would get maybe two channels out of the full broadcast spectrum

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wagnerrp:

its broadcast as that same compressed mpeg2

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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Twiggy2cents:

so where would you find a non compressed 1080? homemade?

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wagnerrp:

usually by the tv broadcaster, as they tend to pull that stream off a satellite at 2–3x that bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

and they have to composite in their own weather and news popups, along with ads, and other stuff

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Twiggy2cents:

2–3X of 1.5gbps?

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wagnerrp:

no... they usually pull in something in the mid 30s mbps off a satellite feed

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gbee:

i.e. still compressed, just not compressed to death

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Twiggy2cents:

oh so you mean 2–3X of the mpeg 11mbps

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Twiggy2cents:

Man I though mpeg created large files. Sheesh!

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wagnerrp:

h264 is only intended to create files roughly half the size as mpeg2

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Twiggy2cents:

is that xvid?

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wagnerrp:

and asp (divx/xvid) is somewhere in between

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Twiggy2cents:

oh

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gbee:

at the same bitrate anyway, a decent broadcaster will use the bandwidth to reduce compression and improve picture quality

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Twiggy2cents:

is mythcommflag very precise at flaggin commercials? When watching a flagged recording it doesnt go black right before so I wonder if I am missing anything

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gbee:

depends where you live, which networks/channels etc

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag is just a statistical analysis tool

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wagnerrp:

it checks for various traits common to commercials

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wagnerrp:

and if the likelihood of it being a commercial is high enough, it flags it in the database

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wagnerrp:

most of the work has been programming it against north american tv

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wagnerrp:

so it tends to work pretty well there

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wagnerrp:

in other countries, not so much

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gbee:

and can suck elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

ive found it chokes pretty hard if youve got errors in your recording too

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FredYerkes:

Using TheMovieDB for mythvideo's metagrabber, I'm not getting cover art for entries on TheMovieDB that do have images, is there an issue with the grabber or more likely just a misconfiguration on my system?

[16:23:04]

wagnerrp:

FredYerkes: could you please pastebin your 'mythbackend --version' output?

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Twiggy2cents:

so you mean like network symbal and fade to black amoung other things?

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gbee:

FredYerkes: issue with redirects recently enabled by TMDB, fixed in 0.23.1 and trunk

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wagnerrp:

anyone know what this 'allow recordings to be booked from trailers in live tv and recordings' means?

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wagnerrp:

booked... like, pulled out of and made into a separate recording?

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, I had a bad signal on one recording and it decided to cut like 30 minutes out of it!

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FredYerkes:

wagnerrp: http://www.pastebin.ca/1910223

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gbee:

wagnerrp: think it means scheduling a recording based on the trailer/advert for that program

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gbee:

some networks include the information in a private stream for use by their DVRs

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wagnerrp:

FredYerkes: yeah, what gbee said.... TMDB changed their API to return redirects to the images, which mythtv could not properly handle

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Twiggy2cents:

oh so do you guys use them? or should I just watch the commercials like i would live?

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wagnerrp:

you need to upgrade to a version which can handle those redirects

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gbee:

e.g. Press 'Green' to record this series

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FredYerkes:

ok, I'll update, thanks gbee and wagnerrp

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Twiggy2cents:

sorry them being a commercial flagging setup

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sphery:

to return redirects which mythtv could not properly handle to the images

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gbee:

Twiggy2cents: I personally just use the 'JUMP' button to skip right over the ads

[16:26:01]

wagnerrp:

note that 0.23.1 includes a protocol update

[16:26:07]

sphery:

versus to return redirects, which mythtv could not properly handle, to the images

[16:26:11]

wagnerrp:

so you will have to upgrade any and all mythtv systems you have at the same time

[16:26:12]

gbee:

I don't use flagging as it's useless in the UK

[16:26:25]

sphery:

(i.e. MythTV could handle /some/ redirects, but they changed which ones they were using)

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FredYerkes:

wagnerrp: roger that, thanks for the heads up

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** sphery is being pedantic **

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** iamlindoro hands Sphery some punctuation. **

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gbee:

we were handling 304 and they started using 301, or something

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Twiggy2cents:

gbee, Thankyou for your input. I am in north america but I think I am going to leave them in so I dont accidently miss something. Like when I have a bad signal and it thinks its a commercial

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iamlindoro:

Twiggy2cents: Commercial Flagging is non-destructive

[16:28:04]

iamlindoro:

the content is still there

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gbee:

although it was never proven that the existing redirect handling worked, since TVDB stopped redirecting just as I was writing it

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sphery:

heh, restrictive vs nonrestrictive elements is a grammar issue that's dear to my heart.

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sphery:

Twiggy2cents: and even the guy who wrote the commercial flagger does /not/ use automatically skip commercials (he uses notify, but don't skip)

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Twiggy2cents:

oh well up untill this point i had been converting to xvid so the converted file had the commercials cut out of

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iamlindoro:

You can still convert and cut commercials-- you just need to be checking them first

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iamlindoro:

But commercial *flagging* is just that, a flag, not a cut

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iamlindoro:

only the user can convert a skiplist to a cutlist

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iamlindoro:

so commflagging can never be blamed for content being cut-- only the user can

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Twiggy2cents:

okay I see

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gizmobay:

I can't win with my ir blaster. I change the min_repeat to 1 and then I end up with double digit sends. I change it to zero and then I miss digits. Any suggestions? The box doesn't have firewire

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gbee:

where is the transmitter located in relation to the receiver?

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gizmobay:

I have the transmitter taped to the STB eye

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justinh:

wagnerrp, gbee isn't that for the freeview-ish 'Playback' functionality? I've been dying to see some of that

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justinh:

(the setting wagnerrp mentioned earlier)

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justinh:

there were mutterings about somebody working on it & I was trying to keep my eye on it for ages, then 2 releases later still no news & I'd all but forgot about it

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justinh:

I'd switch away from using xmltv if that's ever realised for UK peeps

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wagnerrp:

justinh: someone requested that on the wiki wishlist

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

i asked, as i had no idea what they were referring to

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justinh:

well, it'd certainly be really nice to get something like that. whoah hang on.. a wishlist idea actually being quite good.. and viable? stop the press!

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wagnerrp:

good? sure, if you watch the ads... but viable? depends on how that information is broadcast

[17:45:04]

wagnerrp:

is that something that would just be kept in the recording, and handled during playback?

[17:45:26]

wagnerrp:

or would that be something that is parsed out and flagged during recording?

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justinh:

we've got enough padding in our recordings to catch Red Bee media's stupid playout that we get a lot of trails in recordings

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wagnerrp:

trails?

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justinh:

trailers

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gbee:

the implementation would vary from country to country, network to network, there isn't a standard that I'm aware of

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justinh:

UK has a standard.. freeview Playback. dunno if there are any docs on it though

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gbee:

that makes it less likely we'll see anything come of it

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gbee:

justinh: I meant an international standard

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justinh:

there's an extension in the DVB spec AFAIK

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justinh:

tvanytime or something IIRC

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey All

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ThisOtherGuy:

Just wanted to say that the auto-metadata stuff in MythVideo is awesome

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gbee:

until it goes wrongly identifies a whole bunch of test samples you've stored

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AndyCap:

ah yes "test samples"

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** iamlindoro helpfully notes that you can prevent it ever running on any file you like **

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iamlindoro:

But thanks

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** iamlindoro scowls and goes to do other things **

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Beirdo:

it's only metadata :)

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wagnerrp:

theyre only garbage test samples

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Beirdo:

that too :)

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gbee:

AndyCap: no really, dozens of samples submitted in tickets and via IRC that I use for regression testing

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wagnerrp:

the levenshtein distance is adjustable, right?

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gbee:

I call my porn, 'porn' ;)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: only joshing

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wagnerrp:

that would be... training samples

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Beirdo:

gbee: were you planning on modifying the animated gif stuff for http:// access? Once Captain_Murdoch fixes the race condition I found last night, I could test it

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gbee:

Beirdo: yeah, maybe tonight, I'll see how it goes

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Beirdo:

Cool

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Beirdo:

I know how that goes... too many things... not enough time :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yes, it is adjustable

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iamlindoro:

and you can prevent it running altogether on both the entire library and on individual samples

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justinh:

grrr dtg.org hide the tech specs away

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gbee:

but not yet a single directory, which is something on my list

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justinh:

I was even going to go to the lengths of finding out what the flags are & go looking in recordings I know have trailers in

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AndyCap:

justinh: you've contracted some tropical bug?

[18:02:57]

justinh:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: can you set that per-folder? or do you have to do a 'update videometadata set processed=1 where filename like "/some/folder/%";'?

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AndyCap:

Deutsche Gesellschaft für Tropemdizin

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justinh:

dtg.org.uk I meant

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AndyCap:

oh

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AndyCap:

here there's nordig, which oddly enough seems to include ireland.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: It's set per-record at the moment

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i mean just a quick item in the menu that would let you set 'processed' for a whole folder at once

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I just don't like the idea of adding yet more menu items for esoteric functionalities that people won't comprehend

[18:09:04]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

I would rather avoid it entirely until we can properly do folder metadata

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iamlindoro:

ie an edit metadata screen with folder specifics

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wagnerrp:

ok, didnt know that was in the long term plans

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gbee:

wagnerrp: I intend adding something at the folder level but which would cover future additions to that folder too

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justinh:

hmm but then again.. even if mythtv had this extra freeview metadata usage who's to say it wouldn't be shot to hell & as reliable as the EPG data in the main.. i.e. not very. At the mercy of the EPG monkeys

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justinh:

what what... yellow... submarine.. remake. that's it. I quit watching films

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

old fogie :)

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gbee:

well he did see the original in the cinema

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justinh:

not that I've ever seen the original all the way through but howay...

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Beirdo:

too stoned? :)

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justinh:

heh no.

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Beirdo:

I think my parents watched the original though

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Beirdo:

they were in college or so when it came out

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justinh:

the final nail will be when hollywood is so bereft of new ideas they ressurrect Lassie

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justinh:

or.. lol The Swiss Family Robinson

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

they should put down the bongs and make more Cheech & Chong

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justinh:

I was never baked enough get those guys

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gbee:

careful, they make take the idea of resurrecting lassie literally, Zombie Lassie

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Beirdo:

now that might be a bit more interesting

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Beirdo:

justinh: maybe not, but it was fun to watch them being baked

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gbee:

"What's that boy? You've mauled little Timmy to death and dragged his body into the well?"

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ThisOtherGuy:

Has anyone else noticed that rescheduling takes longer in recent versions of trunk? I went from ~10–20secs to ~40–60secs

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kormoc:

of how many matches?

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ThisOtherGuy:

~5481

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sphery:

what is "recent versions of trunk"?

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kormoc:

have you checked the drive lately

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ThisOtherGuy:

25456

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ThisOtherGuy:

from before the varchar change to after

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sphery:

and how much RAM do you have?

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ThisOtherGuy:

2GB

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sphery:

hmmm

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ThisOtherGuy:

25392 -> 25456 was the change I made today

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wagnerrp:

justinh: didnt they do that years back with airbud?

[18:41:38]

ThisOtherGuy:

maybe an index issue?

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kormoc:

FWIW, Scheduled 2817 items in 8.4 = 0.00 match + 8.44 place

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wagnerrp:

except he wasnt rescuing timmy from the well, he was helping his basketball team win the tournament

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justinh:

who's airbud?

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wagnerrp:

a dog that... played basketball

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wagnerrp:

i think there were subsequent movies where he branched out to other sports

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kormoc:

and I'm on varchar(1024) (converted previously to test)

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kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, and this has happened for a bunch of reschedules in a row and not just the first one, right?

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kormoc:

if so, can you run mythdboptimize.pl or whatever it's called?

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ThisOtherGuy:

yeah – erveryone since the change

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ThisOtherGuy:

I tried that and no change

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ThisOtherGuy:

I made the change at ~11am and you can see the difference here: http://pastebin.com/Qf98aKPM

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kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, can you run SHOW STATUS LIKE '%tmp%'; before and after a scheduler run and see what it says?

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ThisOtherGuy:

kormoc: trying now

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sphery:

the record_tmp table is a non-temp table and it'

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sphery:

s created as a CREATE TABLE record_tmp SELECT * ...

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** kormoc blinks **

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sphery:

would that be bad with non-text fields?

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kormoc:

why wouldn't we create it as a tmp table?

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sphery:

ummm... ummm...

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sphery:

I don't know what we were thinking :)

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kormoc:

yeah, as it can't preallocate disk space for a non-fixed sized row format

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kormoc:

heh

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ThisOtherGuy:

looks the same: http://pastebin.com/TpPehbSv

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kormoc:

yeah, let's make that a tmp table

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sphery:

does temp require additional privs?

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sphery:

might break some users

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

we create temp tables already

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kormoc:

well, it does, but should be good

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sphery:

yeah, pretty sure mc.sql explicitly grants temp (though I thought it was granted with all, too)

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kormoc:

yeah, mc.sql does grant it, as does ALL

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sphery:

GRANT CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

oops, pasted the password

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kormoc:

oh noes!

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sphery:

now people don't have to look at SVN/Trac to find it

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kormoc:

I guess my innodb conversion masked that, sorry :(

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kormoc:

(Innodb allocates chunks rather then per-row growth)

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sphery:

there is a reason why I thanked you for the testing...

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sphery:

leaves an opening for further commit msgs :)

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kormoc:

hehe

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** sphery looks for the function UseTempTable() which doesn't, er, use a temp table **

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kormoc:

ha

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sphery:

seems that record_tmp is only created for speculative scheduling (i.e. when actively testing a new rule with the schedule editor)

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sphery:

not during normal scheduling

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

so that's not it

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kormoc:

yeah, my grep says there's a bunch of temp tables in the scheduler.cpp

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kormoc:

and my tmp table count goes up

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sphery:

I'm guessing record_tmp is non-temp so it can be inspected after the fact?

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

you can inspect tmp tables

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kormoc:

just limited to that thread

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sphery:

right, but hard to inspect them with mysql command line client :)

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ule.cpp#L490 is where record_tmp is created

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sphery:

and doesn't apply to normal scheduling (usetemp is false for the only other call to UseTempTable(), so it only creates the table for speculative scheduling)

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** kormoc nods **

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sphery:

I may modify that to be a normal temp table with a define to use a non-temp table for debug?

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sphery:

I'll test the spec sched later

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kormoc:

seems a good idea, but I don't know how often it's used

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sphery:

so, anyway, we still don't know what might cause ThisOtherGuy's issue

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kormoc:

yeah...

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kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, what version of mysql and I'm assuming a default storage engine?

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ThisOtherGuy:

mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.41, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 6.1

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ThisOtherGuy:

MYISAM for most tables

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sphery:

SELECT INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_NAME, INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.ENGINE FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES WHERE INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA = DATABASE() AND INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_TYPE = 'BASE TABLE' ;

[19:03:29]

sphery:

would that be all tables except MythWeather?

[19:03:40]

wagnerrp:

</capslock>

[19:03:47]

sphery:

it's SQL

[19:03:52]

sphery:

and it's a paste

[19:04:22]

kormoc:

wget mysqltuner.pl;chmod +x mysqltuner.pl;./mysqltuner.pl

[19:04:30]

sphery:

select information_schema.tables.table_name, information_schema.tables.engine from information_schema.tables where information_schema.tables.table_schema = database() and information_schema.tables.table_type = 'base table' ;

[19:04:34]

sphery:

for wagnerrp

[19:04:37]

wagnerrp:

:)

[19:04:45]

ThisOtherGuy:

http://pastebin.com/nhtip4cN

[19:05:06]

sphery:

I still love that URI

[19:05:08]

wagnerrp:

ive just always seen the databases/tables/fields kept lower case, to differentiate it from uppercase commands and syntax

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sphery:

well, archiveitems is the only non-default one, and it won't affect scheduling

[19:05:55]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, INFORMATION_SCHEMA is a special database, it's all caps, but case insensitive

[19:06:21]

sphery:

I just used what my MySQL guru gave me

[19:06:42]

sphery:

of course, he told me to make a change that makes scheduling take 4–6x longer...

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justinh:

dog that played basketball... sigh. sounds like Disney

[19:06:59]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

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kormoc:

justinh, if ducks can play hockey...

[19:07:30]

sphery:

Wow, that bridge really went up in flames. Must have been made out of tissue paper.

[19:07:41]

kormoc:

bridge?

[19:07:55]

sphery:

I'm burning a bridge... Insulting my MySQL guru.

[19:07:59]

sphery:

nvm

[19:08:24]

** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

firefox no longer has a top edge

[19:09:31]

ThisOtherGuy:

I just ran the scheduler with showslow on and this query took 23 seconds: http://pastebin.com/UZZzvagx

[19:09:55]

AndyCap:

So, would I be inviting disaster if I move to innodb?

[19:10:17]

kormoc:

AndyCap, I've been running innodb (xtradb to be exact) for awhile problem free

[19:10:29]

wagnerrp:

the window just abruptly ends, no border

[19:10:47]

sphery:

of course, note that mythconverg is well tested and tuned against MyISAM usage since that was the default for MySQL 3.23 through 5.1.x.

[19:10:56]

sphery:

i.e. if you change it, you're on your own

[19:11:08]

gbee:

AndyCap: I'd wait, we're planning an official move to innodb and a premature change could cause an issue, extremely unlikely, but it's not something we'd support if it does go wrong

[19:11:15]

kormoc:

Ahh! Power schedule!

[19:11:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: tabs on top?

[19:11:32]

sphery:

(firefox 4 beta 2?)

[19:11:46]

kormoc:

that would be a path I haven't tested

[19:12:02]

kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, can you give me the power schedule info for that one?

[19:12:09]

kormoc:

I'll add it to mine and see if I can duplicate

[19:12:32]

sphery:

power priority

[19:12:39]

kormoc:

erm

[19:12:41]

kormoc:

that thing

[19:12:42]

sphery:

(too)

[19:12:45]

AndyCap:

Hmm, I'll give it a whirl.

[19:14:00]

AndyCap:

but have look at a couple of other options first.

[19:14:14]

AndyCap:

how large are your average recordedseek tables btw?

[19:15:03]

sphery:

247MB data and 226MB indices

[19:15:10]

sphery:

not necessarily average, but that's mine

[19:15:22]

sphery:

(1360+ MPEG-2 recordings)

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kormoc:

11632640 data, 141404 rows

[19:15:47]

AndyCap:

got 177+165 MB.

[19:16:05]

AndyCap:

not sure if I've give mysql enough ram though

[19:16:07]

kormoc:

that's also compressed table format

[19:16:11]

sphery:

it's the only part of the (TV) database that grows over time as you acquire more and more recordings

[19:16:55]

ThisOtherGuy:

kormoc: can you remind me where to find it?

[19:17:01]

sphery:

all other stuff is either steady state or grows insignificantly (i.e. recordedmarkup grows insignificantly with the number of current recordings)

[19:17:18]

kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, the power priority stuff, no idea actually :(

[19:17:27]

gbee:

sphery: oldrecorded grows and never shrinks

[19:17:42]

wagnerrp:

gbee: very slowly

[19:17:44]

gbee:

granted not by any real size, but still

[19:17:45]

sphery:

gbee: grows insignificantly--only one row per recording

[19:17:47]

AndyCap:

Yeah. I see the two big tables are program and recordedseek

[19:18:07]

sphery:

gbee: we delete all non-recorded (not -3) and non-never-record (not 11) recstatus after 10days

[19:18:09]

gbee:

sphery: actually one row for every match iirc

[19:18:15]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: program is the guide data, shouldnt grow

[19:18:16]

sphery:

but only for 10days :)

[19:18:31]

gbee:

ah, didn't realise we deleted those

[19:18:43]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yeah. and it's a order of magnitude smaller than recordedseek here anyway

[19:19:10]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, we have a nice tidy database :) gigem and bjm did a pretty good job with the tv schema stuff

[19:19:17]

ThisOtherGuy:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/rrR9Hrdi

[19:19:22]

kormoc:

why don't we delete duplicate=0 as well?

[19:19:40]

kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, kk, I'll poke at it tonight

[19:19:59]

gbee:

does that align with the guide data? I'm wondering if it should be at least 14 days, I've only just realised how useful that data is for learning why something _wasn't_ recorded and being able to go back at least two weeks would be useful given that

[19:20:04]

sphery:

gbee: it used to be that EIT only users who never ran mfdb never had records deleted from there, but when I moved calling of the cleanup into the housekeeper (and you moved the cleanup function into libmythtv), now everyone gets it

[19:20:08]

ThisOtherGuy:

k – thanks – I just noticed that I don't need that any more – I can try to delete it and see what happens

[19:20:17]

sphery:

gbee: guide data is kept for 7 days

[19:20:38]

sphery:

kormoc: duplicate = 0 is still useful as a recording history... it's been recorded, but we want to re-record it

[19:20:48]

sphery:

and it's a small number of records/space, so...

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sphery:

now, never record with duplicate = 0 would be useless, but I don't think we keep those

[19:22:07]

kormoc:

24% of my oldrecorded is duplicate=0

[19:22:24]

AndyCap:

Haha, guys filming with a dslr and a wheelchair. :)

[19:22:25]

sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: fwiw, the power priority is in frontend settings under TV settings, IIRC (though your approach allowed copy/paste)

[19:22:35]

kormoc:

4219 =0 and 13053 =1

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sphery:

kormoc: but oldrecorded is small

[19:22:57]

ThisOtherGuy:

that droppped me from ~50 secs to ~25 secs

[19:23:09]

kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, any other queries in the slow query log?

[19:23:16]

kormoc:

ThisOtherGuy, any what did mysqltuner.pl say?

[19:23:42]

kormoc:

sphery, still... I know I cleaned that up a few months ago, so I'm really surprised that I have so many =0, but....

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ThisOtherGuy:

kormoc: lemme try again; what is mysqltuner.pl?

[19:23:55]

sphery:

kormoc: select distinct recstatus from oldrecorded where duplicate = 0 and recstatus != -3;

[19:24:21]

sphery:

and count might be interesting, too

[19:25:11]

kormoc:

Aye, just added a count

[19:25:43]

ThisOtherGuy:

kormoc: here are the other 2 – one 5s one 22s : http://pastebin.com/Ds6G3LVp

[19:25:43]

kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/1910345

[19:26:58]

sphery:

kormoc: 2015 of them are previous recording (i.e. matches in your current program listings that you've already recorded--and that will be deleted from oldrecorded 10days after starttime)

[19:27:43]

sphery:

the only ones that are actually long term are -9 (failed) and -4 (aborted) recordings

[19:27:55]

sphery:

all the rest are due to matches in current listings

[19:28:07]

sphery:

i.e. you have too many channels :)

[19:28:41]

sphery:

so only 19 of them are actually long term

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[19:30:00]

sphery:

I have 274 at recstatus 2 (previous) and 3 at recstatus 10 (inactive--my first episodes rule)

[19:31:09]

ThisOtherGuy:

here's the mysqltuner.pl info: http://pastebin.com/7QzurYwH

[19:32:05]

kormoc:

kk

[19:35:13]

sphery:

gbee: regarding guide data and oldrecorded data, IMHO changing both to expire at the same time would be a good thing... If we wanted to take the least-conflict approach, we could just make guide data expire after 10 days, like oldrecorded (rather than increasing both to 14).

[19:35:45]

sphery:

but even doing both at 14 probably wouldn't anger too many people :)

[19:36:46]

kormoc:

sphery, so why don't we clean up failed/aborted records as well?

[19:37:23]

sphery:

gbee: I don't know what effect increasing the program table size by 25% (going from 7 days since starttime to 14 days since starttime--and assuming 14 days additional data) would have on scheduling

[19:37:37]

sphery:

going to 10 days is only 1/7 larger...

[19:37:52]

sphery:

kormoc: oops, you're right--they all short term

[19:37:59]

sphery:

we do clean those up after 10 days :)

[19:38:06]

sphery:

they're all short term

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kormoc:

we should constrain the scheduler to >NOW() right?

[19:38:16]

kormoc:

kk

[19:38:32]

sphery:

good question

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sphery:

simple grep says maybe not

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . er.cpp#L3006

[19:41:46]

kormoc:

yeah

[19:41:51]

kormoc:

looks like a easy win

[19:43:27]

sphery:

and we do have an index for starttime

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kormoc:

yup

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sphery:

not that I want to touch the BUSQ

[19:43:47]

kormoc:

heh

[19:43:50]

sphery:

maybe something to ask gigem about

[19:43:53]

kormoc:

I'll take it on tonight if you want

[19:44:03]

kormoc:

gives me the excuse to log every query for a bit

[19:44:44]

sphery:

are you testing the powerpriority/powerrecording stuff, too?

[19:44:53]

kormoc:

yeah

[19:45:06]

sphery:

I know it's way beyond me, but if we get that much of a hit from power*, the change won't go over well

[19:46:49]

kormoc:

yeah

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gbee:

we may have to consider redesigning the scheduler or whether it's even possible to do the scheduler in another way which is more efficient/faster without sacrificing functionality

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sphery:

could just switch to tv-headend... :)

[19:53:12]

** gbee googles **

[19:53:39]

sphery:

http://www.lonelycoder.com/hts/tvheadend_overview.html

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gbee:

oh, you were joking :)

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papertigers:

thinking about taking the jump for the hd homerun, anyone running one?

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ThisOtherGuy:

papertigers: yes

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sphery:

gbee: it's a certain no-longer-XBox-only media center's solution to replacing MythTV because we're all jerks... and, yeah, joke

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justinh:

gbee: but they've only got like 27 open tickets

[19:58:17]

gbee:

ahh, so no users

[19:58:54]

iamlindoro:

We can joke about them, and that's fine as it doesn't have even CLOSE to the same level of hardware support and capability

[19:58:55]

iamlindoro:

BUT

[19:59:04]

iamlindoro:

Every one of us Myth devs should install it and set it up

[19:59:11]

iamlindoro:

because that is exactly how our web setup should work

[19:59:36]

iamlindoro:

Autodetected hardware, pick a locale, and scanning is all done in the background, with a simple, intuitive interface

[20:00:12]

iamlindoro:

And having tried it, it is exactly why I am terrified that our web setup will just be an HTML clone of mythtv-setup rather than a rethink

[20:00:26]

gbee:

I don't have to see another app to know what it _should_ look like and just how badly our setup compares, years later I can still remember the pain/frustration

[20:01:02]

iamlindoro:

We can agree on the problem, but there's no harm in trying it to see what we can steal

[20:01:08]

iamlindoro:

And there's plenty

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gbee:

which is why every other major feature I work on is related in some way to improving that experience

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I dunno, I appreciate what you are saying but some of the fun for me is seeing exactly what I can come up with, even if it's dropped in favour of a rip-off I'd rather explore my own ideas first

[20:03:16]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I suppose I can see that side, but the greater point I was trying to make is that the backend setup rewrite shows no signs of being a rethink and all indications are that it will be more or less a port

[20:03:20]

iamlindoro:

and that is just a lateral move

[20:03:31]

papertigers:

ThisOtherGuy: how is it

[20:03:33]

gbee:

I'm working on hardware auto-detection now, and by working I mean crying my eyes out because sys fs and libudev are evil, but I'll get there eventually

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iamlindoro:

gbee: For disc playback purposes, or mythtv-setup purposes? Or both?

[20:05:03]

gbee:

I do have a bigger picture in mind, but I've been careful about detailing it simply because I spend too much of my time lately talking about what we _should_ do rather than getting on with it and I'm sure some people are tired of the lectures

[20:05:15]

gbee:

iamlindoro: capture card detection

[20:05:19]

iamlindoro:

cool

[20:06:19]

iamlindoro:

gbee: And I got daniel the info on the network interface autodetect stuff in Qt, so that will help a tiny bit too

[20:06:24]

gbee:

I went off at a tangent to look at the mythcdrom stuff, but I've decided to shelve it until I've finished some other stuff (like capture card setup) first

[20:06:26]

ThisOtherGuy:

papertigers: it's good and easy but it only works for unencrypted channels

[20:07:07]

papertigers:

ThisOtherGuy: OTA hd is usually unencrypted correct?

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iamlindoro:

In the US, always

[20:07:55]

papertigers:

iamlindoro: okay thanks, can I add a Storage group over nfs to record tv to?

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iamlindoro:

If you mount the NFS dir on the backend, yes, you can add it to an SG

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gbee:

iamlindoro: sadly we can talk and talk, but I'm accepting now that we're not going to get a cooperative drive to work on a single area at a time even though a major overhaul of one particular aspect by several devs working in unison would at least give the appearance to the outside world that big changes are really being made

[20:11:20]

iamlindoro:

gbee: It's sad that you are feeling that way just as we're starting to get organized

[20:11:27]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Understandable, but unfortunate

[20:11:33]

AndyCap:

well, I think I found out why my recordings is slow

[20:11:48]

iamlindoro:

I think Captain_Murdoch/xris/janneg et al might be convinced to set some specific goals in that regard for .25+

[20:12:39]

iamlindoro:

I know danielk had some interest in working on the BE setup for .25, and has started work-- I think that if it's made an official project goal that at least those guys, and I, and sphery, and you would be willing to focus our primary effort there for a cycle

[20:12:43]

gbee:

probably, though I'd sooner make the changes for 0.24 it's probably way too late in the day

[20:13:04]

iamlindoro:

Yes, I think that for .24, with only a month of feature dev to go, it might be a bit late

[20:13:25]

iamlindoro:

But with the half dozen or so of us who are very active working in a concerted way on it, setup could be made stellar in a single release

[20:13:27]

gbee:

iamlindoro: all that would be needed is for each of us to tackle on aspect each and we could make a huge difference

[20:13:32]

iamlindoro:

I know Mark is interested too, from our talks

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rapture:

Any ideas why liveTV plays just fine but as soon as a channel is tuned in and running nicely the keyboard becomes completely unresponsive and myth needs to be killed from a terminal?

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egon:

this seems nasty: RecBase(1:1): GetKeyframePositions(0,9223372036854775807,#1) out of 1

[20:50:12]

egon:

maybe bad stuff is in a playbacksocket?

[20:50:40]

egon:

trying to trace back through code i've never surfed before, apologies.

[20:51:58]

kormoc:

it's nasty to get a key frame position?

[20:52:17]

egon:

no, that INT64_MAX is passed as the second parameter

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kormoc:

ahh

[20:54:00]

egon:

or rather, that something less than 0 is passed, which is morphed to INT64_MAX in RecorderBase::GetKeyframePositions

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sphery:

egon: looks like that code uses INT64_MAX as a flag to say, "Give me /all/ the keyframe positions in the entire recording."

[21:01:58]

egon:

yeah, that's what i was thinking also

[21:02:30]

sphery:

what issue are you trying to solve here?

[21:03:12]

egon:

that i seem to be crashing when a livetv recording switches to another, resulting in a "video buffering failed too many times" on the FE.

[21:03:39]

sphery:

backend crashes?

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sphery:

or frontend?

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egon:

the last thing i see is the getkeyframepositions call with that very large second argument. sorry, BE crash

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sphery:

hmmm... I was going to say frontend crashes at program change in Live TV aren't uncommon

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sphery:

backend crashes shouldn't happen

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rapture:

hitting Y during live TV seems to crash the interface for MythTV but allows the programme to keep playing

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sphery:

yeah, the Y bug was fixed

[21:04:57]

rapture:

but at the time I had both of my cards open via PiP

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egon:

i think i see an automatic restart of the BE

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sphery:

you're running an out-of-date 0.23 version, right?

[21:05:08]

rapture:

must be then

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sphery:

yeah, if you upgrade that one will be fixed

[21:05:22]

rapture:

fantastic

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sphery:

don't know about egon's, though

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sphery:

rapture: by that I mean upgrade to current 0.23-fixes

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rapture:

hmm

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sphery:

if you run all on one distro, it should be safe to do, but if you have mythtv boxes using multiple distros, you may need to research

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rapture:

what would be the best way to do that on a single box running Ubuntu 10.04

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rapture:

?

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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sphery:

it's easy on *buntu

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sphery:

just enable the 0.23-fixes auto-build (not the trunk/development one)

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sphery:

and if you haven't done that before, it's well worthwhile--there were some pretty big bugs in the pre-release version of 0.23 that *buntu had to use (since 0.23 didn't go final in time for *buntu's release)

[21:08:27]

sphery:

so with the update, you'll get fixes for those bugs

[21:08:32]

rapture:

would I benefit from 0.24, or is it unstable in new and exciting ways?

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Beirdo:

it doesn't exist quite yet, so who knows?

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rapture:

the auto-builds tool offers me a choice between 0.23 and 0.24

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** Beirdo shakes his fist at the packagers.. **

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sphery:

you don't want what they call 0.24--that's the trunk/development/unstable version

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Beirdo:

what they have as 0.24 is svn trunk

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rapture:

wait, I get it, it's to set things up to allow an upgrade when it arrives

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Beirdo:

I'd suggest against that unless you love being on the bleeding edge

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rapture:

as opposed to just 0.23 fixes

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Beirdo:

and like things breaking at random times :)

[21:10:30]

rapture:

at this stage, I'd love a mythtv install that was reliable enough to use

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sphery:

the 0.24 one would actually put you on unstable code

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rapture:

I barely use that component of my media centre because it falls over at a moment's notice, which makes me sad

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sphery:

you'd get unstable stuff now before 0.24 is released, but after 0.24 is released, you would have 0.24

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sphery:

so go with 0.23 now--until 0.24 is out

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Beirdo:

it's relatively stable, but absolutely no guarantees that it won't be broken at any point... until we release it.

[21:11:16]

Beirdo:

yup

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** Beirdo shuts up and lets sphery continue :) **

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sphery:

I do development for MythTV, but I do not run the unstable development code in production

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Beirdo:

I do :)

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Beirdo:

and it fell over last night. hard.

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rapture:

installing updates now

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Beirdo:

heh

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rapture:

I'm trying to figure out why my services aren't starting of their own accord

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rapture:

I had to set mysql and mythbackend to start

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rapture:

as they weren't doing it on their own

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Beirdo:

^.^

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Beirdo:

0.23.1?

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sphery:

that's what it says: http://www.mythtv.org/

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sphery:

it's the "post-protocol cleanup" release

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sphery:

er, post-protocol change cleanup

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Beirdo:

yeah I guess we did forget to change the topic, didn't we? :)

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rapture:

right, updates installed

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sphery:

I wanted to practice the op thing--I'm bad at that.... :)

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egon:

i'll try to gather more information about my problem and bug y'all later. :)

[21:14:38]

rapture:

let's give this a whirl

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Beirdo:

yeah, I mess up ops at times :)

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sphery:

egon: if you can get a backtrace from the backend, I'm sure I could help a bunch more: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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rapture:

error of some sort related to protocol versions

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sphery:

egon: and note that there are debug packages for most distros, if you don't build yourself

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rapture:

I can get more info, but any immediate reactions as to what that might be about?

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egon:

sphery: i do. i'll get back to you.

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sphery:

rapture: it's not uncommon for things to fail to restart properly after an update on *buntu

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** Beirdo calls the Ghostbusters **

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sphery:

rapture: I would recommend rebooting the system to make sure it all restarts properly

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** egon looks like a younger Harold Ramis. **

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rapture:

right-o

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sphery:

heh

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rapture:

screenshot: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7629/screenshoteqr.png

[21:17:13]

sphery:

rapture: yeah, just need to restart everything properly

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rapture:

I'm stupped about the artifacts on screen that look like dead pixels though. They're not just in mythtv though, so you guys are off the hook ;)

[21:17:23]

rapture:

stupped?!

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rapture:

stumped.

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sphery:

yeah, was about to comment about that

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sphery:

which theme painter are you using?

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egon:

rapture: you have to update the backend to get those to match up.

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sphery:

and which video card?

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Beirdo:

I was wondering if you were calling yourself stupid

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sphery:

the fact that a screenshot picked up the bad pixels is interesting, too

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rapture:

metacity I believe

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sphery:

metacity would be your window manager

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SNIFFER_dog:

how do you fix no uPnP after installing mythtv

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rapture:

an NVIDIA, erm, I can't remember. Probably something godsawful

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sphery:

or GNOME theme or something

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Beirdo:

SNIFFER_dog: what?

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sphery:

rapture: the MythTV Theme Painter would be either Qt or OpenGL... It's in Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance

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sphery:

rapture: if you're using NVIDIA card, you probably want OpenGL theme painter

[21:19:16]

rapture:

oh, yeah, I set that to OpenGL

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sphery:

Oh, I guess it could be VDPAU, too...

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rapture:

but it appears in other apps too

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sphery:

weird

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sphery:

are they always in the same place?

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sphery:

maybe bad memory?

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Beirdo:

could be screwy video RAM

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sphery:

yeah

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rapture:

could be, I suppose

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SNIFFER_dog:

i have just installed mythtv via sudo apt-get install mythtv and when i run the backent to configure i get no uPnP during database configuration

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sphery:

they're all yellow

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rapture:

if I can be bothered I'll switch out video cards

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sphery:

like RG are max...

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rapture:

I have a spare NVIDIA card lying around of similar spec

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rapture:

SNIFFER_dog, is that the only problem?

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rapture:

I got that error but it made no difference. My real problems were elsewhere.

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Beirdo:

UPnP is for playback of video/music, not setup

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SNIFFER_dog:

i dont know yet thats as far as i have got

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Beirdo:

not sure what that's meant to mean... maybe I'm just on crack?

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SNIFFER_dog:

well i can't get any further with the set up

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rapture:

the backend configuration tool says "No uPnP"

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SNIFFER_dog:

yes

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sphery:

I need to swap the 6200 in my internal (non-MythTV) server for a 5200 in my MythTV remote backend server... The internal server doesn't even have a monitor, so having a better/newer/less-EOL card in it doesn't make a lot of sense

[21:22:07]

Beirdo:

"backend configuration tool"?

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rapture:

it gives no more info, just that and an OKAY button

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Beirdo:

you mean mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

remembered everything else during the reorg, but forgot that one

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rapture:

"MythTV Backend Setup" in my menus

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Beirdo:

no clue. #mythbuntu

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rapture:

presumably the same thing

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sphery:

SNIFFER_dog: that's saying, "I can't automatically detect a running backend on your network, so you need to tell me the information about where it exists."

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rapture:

rebooting now

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok how do you go about doing that

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rapture:

if you don't hear from me, it means things went well

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sphery:

i.e. it's informational, not an error... just proceed and type in the database info and the backend IP address and master IP address

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rapture:

thanks for your help, guys

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Beirdo:

Oooh, that's what it's saying? :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

rapture: good luck

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SNIFFER_dog:

do i use the loopback ip or the ip of my pc on the network

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sphery:

SNIFFER_dog: I recommend against every using 127.0.0.1

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Beirdo:

someone needs to read some documentation, methinks

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sphery:

if you use that, you have a /much/ more difficult time adding new hosts to MythTV

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sphery:

so no localhost or 127.0.0.1 anywhere

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok after starting the back end i get to choose the language

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SNIFFER_dog:

then i get no UpnP so clik ok on that

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sphery:

did you get mythtv-setup to run?

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sphery:

you need to run mythtv-setup first

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SNIFFER_dog:

then it takes me to the Database config 1/2

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sphery:

those are what needs configuring

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kormoc:

SNIFFER_dog, you really should read the install docs

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sphery:

but if you haven't run mythtv-setup, it will accept the values, write them, then exit saying, "You need to run mythtv-setup"

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** Beirdo rolls up the documentation and swats SNIFFER_dog on the snout **

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sphery:

heh

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok in the terminal i type mythtv-setup

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SNIFFER_dog:

and i get the same thing come up

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kormoc:

Did you setup the database? Did you create the database and populate it with defaults?

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SNIFFER_dog:

no

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SNIFFER_dog:

where is that in the manunal

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rapture:

well, at the moment I'm facing another issue

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rapture:

it seems MySQL refuses to start up when I boot my machine

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rapture:

but mythbackend also doesn't start

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rapture:

I can start them manually, but it's infuriating

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kormoc:

SNIFFER_dog, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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kormoc:

rapture, ask in #distro ?

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rapture:

going to, shortly

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rapture:

I asked in there earlier to no avail

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rapture:

I'm just mentioning it here to form a frame of reference

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SNIFFER_dog:

thanks

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AndyCap:

Hmm, what's the matrix like output from mythfrontend here? GetNextFreeFrame() served a busy frame M. Dropping. UULLuuUUU...etc

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kormoc:

U is Used, L is Limbo, A is available

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kormoc:

it's the free frames in the buffers

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AndyCap:

Aha

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rapture:

it would seem hitting Y currently does nothing, which is better than crashing the UI

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

weird problems man.... weird problems...

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SNIFFER_dog:

i take it the mouse is not ment to be used

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** dustybin sniffs SNIFFER_dog **

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kormoc:

that'd be correct, we're designed for remotes

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SNIFFER_dog:

any idea why the destop is hiding the cancel back next

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SNIFFER_dog:

tabs

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kormoc:

disable compiz

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SNIFFER_dog:

ill have to look that one up

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rapture:

go to System -> Preferences -> Appearance

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rapture:

there's a tab for desktop effects

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rapture:

set it to "none"

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sphery:

there, I've added all my changes for 0.23.1 to the release notes

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SNIFFER_dog:

ok thanks that worked

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: #3580... is that still on your plate? I know I asked you this before, forgive my crappy memory.

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SNIFFER_dog:

kormoc thanks

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rapture:

I'm trying to figure out why mythbackend doesn't launch at boot/login like it's supposed to

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sphery:

rapture: after your update it stopped launching?

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sphery:

rapture: and, yeah, Y should almost never do anything. Y changes /source/. Likely you have only one video source. You want NEXTINPUT or NEXTCARD

[21:58:53]

sphery:

rapture: check that mysqld is running... chances are it's not

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sphery:

and if mysqld isn't running, mythbackend won't run

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rapture:

mysql doesn't run at boot either

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rapture:

I'm working on that problem

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rapture:

if I fix that, do you reckon it'll run?

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sphery:

rapture: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/444376#444376

[21:59:53]

sphery:

whole thread

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sphery:

they have the solution

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sphery:

this being the only downside to those upgrades--you get to fix the things that got broken outside of MythTV (which affect MythTV :)

[22:03:08]

rapture:

I've now modified /etc/init/mysql.conf

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rapture:

hopefully that was appropriate

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rapture:

should I now reboot?

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sphery:

rapture: that's the easiest way to ensure everything is properly restarted--and it allows you to test that it will do so next time :)

[22:07:11]

rapture:

well, as I said before, thanks, and if things go well, I won't be back!

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: You did, I said that I was not planning to touch it unless it got updated for trunk/got cdev's approval

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Beirdo:

aaaaah

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

I might take a look at updating the patch at some point, not sure how many other things I'd rather get done though

[22:08:59]

Beirdo:

for certain, I may cherrypick out some additional mime types

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iamlindoro:

The ticket ended with a nonspecific statement that multiple things were wrong with it, so I think at that time I was hoping for an updated patch, then guidance from cdev on what was wrong

[22:09:11]

Beirdo:

if they are new, not just reordered

[22:09:43]

Beirdo:

yeah, I saw that. I'll see if I can't raise him from the dead... err... hibernation, yeah that's it :)

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rapture:

nope, that did nothing

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SNIFFER_dog:

I don't believe it I am scanning channels!

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sphery:

rapture: I suggest asking in #mythbuntu (and quoting the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mys . . . /+bug/608423 )

[22:13:30]

sphery:

rapture: once you get that fixed, MythTV should work fine

[22:15:25]

rapture:

I'm haranguing the folks in #ubuntu about it

[22:15:45]

rapture:

as it doesn't seem to be related to mythtv, just ubuntu

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** sphery wonders if anon knows that "encoding black bars" takes almost no bits... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2581#comment:12 **

[22:16:34]

sphery:

rapture: yeah, either is fine for this, but since MythTV users need mysql, likely there are people in #mythbuntu who have solutions of some sort or another :)

[22:17:55]

Beirdo:

that was me, was I not logged in?

[22:18:04]

Beirdo:

and true black takes few bits

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Beirdo:

pseudo-black that's been recorded, takes a LOT

[22:19:35]

Beirdo:

trust me on that... it takes a significant amount of valuable bits to encode the "black" bars as recorded, especially the letterboxing on analog inputs

[22:19:46]

Beirdo:

the real black in hdtv may be different

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sphery:

yeah, if the black changes it's a waste

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Beirdo:

trimming it off, and then telling the encoder to pad with real black saves a lot of bits which then increase the quality of the transcoding

[22:21:08]

Beirdo:

(from my fun getting nuvexport working earlier)

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Beirdo:

but doing that on a frame-by-frame basis is a lot of extra work

[22:22:07]

sphery:

definitely true

[22:22:45]

Beirdo:

now detecting that frames x->y have bars of this size consistently, and transcoding in sections... could work

[22:22:59]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7822#comment:9 only makes sense if the guy has mis-matched times on his systems

[22:23:14]

sphery:

where that would require different time zones or something

[22:23:29]

Beirdo:

either way, I don't want auto trimming of real signal just to match an aspect ratio

[22:23:33]

Beirdo:

pad it, not cut

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sphery:

yeah, makes sense

[22:25:14]

Beirdo:

but if I get overruled, so be it :)

[22:25:14]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Yeah, my comment wasn't about the plan, just that encoding a solid color in MPEG* doesn't take that much of the available bits. I'll admit that a dirty recording would waste more bits on it, though.

[22:26:52]

Beirdo:

yeah, oh I agree

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Beirdo:

which is why you tell the encoder to pad with solid black

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I'd love to see the day when mythtranscode can do it all for us

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kormoc:

solid black? No wonder my padded with plaid recordings take up so much space

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Beirdo:

kormoc: hehe. :) Scottish letterboxing with your favorite tartan?

[22:32:36]

kormoc:

Of course!

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Beirdo:

that would be... cool

[22:32:54]

Beirdo:

waste of bits, but cool

[22:33:07]

Beirdo:

especially for "So I Married An Axe Murderer"

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kormoc:

heh

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Beirdo:

#3589 looks... interesting

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gbee:

matted with a 'cinema' frame including the silhouettes of heads at the bottom, so that you can get that 'saw it at the cinema' experience

[22:38:53]

gbee:

hmm, that shouldn't be too difficult with mythui ...

[22:39:07]

** gbee copyrights the idea **

[22:39:09]

Beirdo:

hey... fake bootlegs? :)

[22:39:16]

Beirdo:

that would be funny

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gbee:

'cinema mode' accessible via the OSD menu

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Beirdo:

it should add random people talking around you into the audio too

[22:40:49]

Beirdo:

and cellphones ringing and lighting up... can't forget that

[22:41:02]

gbee:

and sticky floors

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gbee:

no, wait can't do that

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sphery:

Beirdo: isn't #3589 what distros do to make their debug packages?

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Beirdo:

sphery: I would expect so

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sphery:

heh, since it's by #buntu guys, probably so

[22:41:51]

Beirdo:

and it would be nice to have that as part of our standard compile options, I'd think

[22:42:19]

sphery:

would be best to do a profile build then separate

[22:42:30]

Beirdo:

perhaps

[22:42:42]

Beirdo:

but it would be nice to get that ticket squared away :)

[22:42:44]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

I have 3.6GB of debug on my system from binaries I compiled with debug and then stripped to separate debug files

[22:43:23]

Beirdo:

mmmm, debug :)

[22:44:55]

sphery:

what's the benefit of that ticket, though, as it leaves the debug files in the same dir

[22:45:10]

Beirdo:

not sure

[22:45:11]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

it will reduce ram usage, but if it's debug...

[22:45:28]

sphery:

debug build

[22:46:18]

sphery:

so it is doing a profile build

[22:46:29]

sphery:

meh, with or without it works for me

[22:46:48]

sphery:

could be done easily enough after the build by anyone who wants it

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Beirdo:

well, if it's a "worksforme", why hasn't it been nuked? :)

[22:46:59]

Beirdo:

I think the issue is...

[22:47:10]

Beirdo:

our install strips it out

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sphery:

I mean I don't care whether we include it or not

[22:47:19]

Beirdo:

but what do I know :)

[22:47:28]

Beirdo:

I need more caffeine

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sphery:

only --compile-type=release strips it

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sphery:

debug and profile leave debug info in

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Beirdo:

well, running release code with the debug symbols in separate files is a good concept

[22:49:05]

sphery:

I think I'd prefer modifying it to a) replace --compile-type=release, b) write all debug to a separate directory (with appropriate debuglink), then c) install only the binaries and allow the user to use or delete debug files as desired

[22:49:21]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that does sound smarter

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sphery:

i.e. no need for a new compile type

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Beirdo:

dirty deeds, and they're done dirt cheap....

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sphery:

heh, http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qmake-project-files.html

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sphery:

see debug_and_release

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** sphery would guess that's the same as the qt package's --separate-debug **

[22:52:25]

sphery:

i.e. which allows building the Qt framework and keeping debug in a separate file--exactly what that patch does manually.

[22:52:36]

Beirdo:

aye

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sphery:

don't know for sure, though

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sphery:

hard to tell from docs

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Beirdo:

as always

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx: #4517 :) ya took it 2 years ago...

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sphery:

may have to mess with one of my test apps to see what happens

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Beirdo:

here's one you'll love.

[22:57:10]

Beirdo:

#5863

[22:57:18]

Beirdo:

let's add another setting!

[22:57:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:57:24]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[22:57:34]

sphery:

and the max setting was on the to-be-removed list

[22:57:58]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405622#405622 (Maximum commercial skip)

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Beirdo:

better not be removing the GUI offset/width settings

[22:59:05]

Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

fix your monitor! ;)

[22:59:45]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

it was actually, "remove the stupid spin box widgets that are buried in settings and make them accessible in appearance"

[23:00:01]

Beirdo:

that's useful for using widescreen themes on 4:3 displays

[23:00:03]

sphery:

er, not appearance, but that thing justin h did

[23:00:08]

Beirdo:

ahhhh

[23:00:16]

sphery:

wizard

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Beirdo:

ZAP

[23:00:22]

sphery:

screen wizard or whatever

[23:00:37]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405844#405844

[23:01:37]

Beirdo:

nuke em

[23:01:38]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405861#405861

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sphery:

I say set it to <some value> and no setting

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sphery:

it's not very useful, really--just like auto skip itself isn't :)

[23:03:52]

Beirdo:

so I should assign #5863 to you? :)

[23:04:13]

sphery:

I may take it and close it wontfix after removing the max

[23:04:33]

sphery:

just have to figure out what value to use

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Beirdo:

all yours :)

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sphery:

and, of course, prepare for the onslaught of complaints

[23:05:03]

sphery:

heh

[23:05:18]

Beirdo:

not like Isaac was likely gonna touch it any time soon

[23:05:36]

** sphery doesn't like Beirdo stirring up forgotten tickets from the bottom of File 13 **

[23:06:06]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:06:11]

sphery:

it's so much easier to just let them rot :)

[23:06:21]

Beirdo:

yeah, but then they fester and stink

[23:06:26]

sphery:

heh, true

[23:06:39]

sphery:

and trac is pretty much unusable, now, because of how many tickets there are

[23:06:45]

Beirdo:

yep

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sphery:

do you know if there's any way to cause the search to (by default) ignore closed tickets?

[23:07:02]

Beirdo:

culling through with a comb once in a while...

[23:07:16]

sphery:

I think we should make that the default and users wanting to search closed tickets can look in custom query

[23:07:23]

Beirdo:

not sure. kormoc may be better with trac-ticket-fu though

[23:07:34]

sphery:

then again, maybe it's better to let the users find the closed tickets that fix their issues...

[23:07:51]

sphery:

so maybe I'll just use custom query to search open tickets...

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kormoc:

General search? only with patching trac

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SNIFFER_dog:

I've got some success and watching HD TV. Only have 2 available in UK for free

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sphery:

it's unfortunate, though--we show open and closed tickets, so they could potentially find the ones that fix their issues, but there are so many no one goes through them all

[23:08:48]

Beirdo:

ewwww. #5963 is starting to stink too

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sphery:

so usually they just report a dup

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SNIFFER_dog:

one channel is ok with occasional pixels

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SNIFFER_dog:

other keeps jerking at the same time of HDD noise

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SNIFFER_dog:

my HD channels are fine on my STB

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kormoc:

so get a more powerful computer?

[23:10:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: wonder if #5963 is a misdiagnosis of what's actually a dup of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7978

[23:10:51]

SNIFFER_dog:

so is a dual core AMD 4400 not enought?

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sphery:

what's your HDTV?

[23:11:14]

sphery:

US ATSC?

[23:11:20]

kormoc:

he's UK

[23:11:31]

sphery:

H.264, then?

[23:11:38]

iamlindoro:

yes

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SNIFFER_dog:

im using my lcd monitor at the moment

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sphery:

if so, a 4400 is far from enough

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kormoc:

he means what format is your hdtv being recorded as

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sphery:

SNIFFER_dog: there's no way that processor will do high-bitrate/high-resolution H.264 decoding in software, so you either need VDPAU or a new CPU or both

[23:12:52]

Beirdo:

sphery: could well be. However, iamlindoro may have a better idea, as he refreshed the ticket a few months back

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sphery:

I don't know what kind of CPU you'd need for decoding that in software, but since a VDPAU-capable video card is about $30 (or pounds for you?)...

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SNIFFER_dog:

my GPU was around £500 probably $900

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SNIFFER_dog:

4 years ago

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sphery:

iamlindoro: do you think http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5963 may be a mis-diagnosed dup of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7978

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kormoc:

30 pounds of paper money is a lot of money, I'd recommend you stick with coins

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

SNIFFER_dog, you'd need a nvidia 9400 or newer for VDPAU

[23:14:20]

SNIFFER_dog:

ok i need a new GPU

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SNIFFER_dog:

im using Nvidia 7900 gt

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SNIFFER_dog:

so is there a setting for hd recording

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xand:

I think you need an 8-series or above for vdpau

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sphery:

SNIFFER_dog: digital TV is recorded as broadcast--you get what you're given

[23:16:40]

SNIFFER_dog:

right got you

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SNIFFER_dog:

so there must be difference between the two channels

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kormoc:

some 8xxx cards were supported, some were not

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sphery:

all you could do in the meantime is transcode (slowly, at great electrical expense) after recording into a different format and/or lower resolution/bitrate

[23:17:30]

xand:

all I know is my 8600GT is supported

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sphery:

kormoc: exactly, so much easier to say 9x00+

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xand:

(and my GTX 260)

[23:18:14]

sphery:

heh, guy in the other channel...

[23:18:29]

sphery:

not only off topic, but an excluded topic

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kormoc:

xand, and you're only feature set A, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . Feature_Sets

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sphery:

that too

[23:19:06]

sphery:

besides, 9x00 is how many gens behind?

[23:19:11]

sphery:

should be pretty cheap, now

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xand:

kormoc: with which card?

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sphery:

8800

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kormoc:

xand, yor 8600

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kormoc:

*your

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xand:

what about the 260

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sphery:

heh, I can't read numbers

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kormoc:

xand, scroll up a few lines and check?

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xand:

doh

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SNIFFER_dog:

so you saying a new card that is supported by Linux and has VDPAU will work fine for me!

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kormoc:

SNIFFER_dog, *should*, it's the most glaring issue, but not necessarily the only one

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Beirdo:

SNIFFER_dog: very very high likelihood of it, yes

[23:20:48]

Beirdo:

but yeah, there may be other fun things too

[23:20:50]

SNIFFER_dog:

so something else i need to research

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SNIFFER_dog:

if i used another pc as my frontend do i need a highspec GPU for that too to run HD

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

but if you don't use your backend to playback, it won't need one

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SNIFFER_dog:

has your electricity bill gone up?

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kormoc:

mine? not that I can tell

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kormoc:

but I don't care with how cheap electricity is

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SNIFFER_dog:

hehe sure

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

and to be fair, my landlords haven't signed the paper to allow Seattle City and Light to bill me, so for now they're still paying my electric bill

[23:25:15]

SNIFFER_dog:

amazing how the STB has naff equipment half the size and works with the signal

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Beirdo:

kormoc: wow, we should put a rack of gear in there then

[23:27:38]

kormoc:

it's hot enough thank-you-very-much

[23:28:02]

Beirdo:

hmmm, yeah, fair enough

[23:28:22]

kormoc:

I havne't turned on the heat ever in that place

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Beirdo:

I haven't yet in my apt either

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SNIFFER_dog:

ffdshow i have read thats used in mythtv

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Beirdo:

doubt I ever will

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iamlindoro:

SNIFFER_dog, ffdshow is not (and never has been) used in myth

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iamlindoro:

not least of which is because ffdshow is a set of directshow filters, which are for windows

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SNIFFER_dog:

ah ok

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SNIFFER_dog:

thanks for your help, bedtime

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