Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 26th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

heh, doesn't resolve for me

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rhollan:

Ah.

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sphery:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp3act/ links to it

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rhollan:

me neither

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sphery:

looks kind of dead, maybe?

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sphery:

posted by nobody 692 days ago

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wagnerrp:

newest files... 2005-08–02

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rhollan:

Sigh. I guess I should.

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

id say dead

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sphery:

so, maybe someone should find a new/better music web app and redo ours with it

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rhollan:

Just finished configing authenticated wireless access at home via WPA2/Enterprise supporting EAP-TLS, EAP-TTLS/PAP, EAP-PEAP/MSCHAPv2. I now know more RADIUS and LDAP than I ever cared to. What's learing a little PHP and AXAX after that?

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sphery:

feel free to find a not-dead project to pull in, instead :)

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rhollan:

suggestions?

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sphery:

no clue here

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sphery:

I don't do "web music"

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rhollan:

me neither.

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rhollan:

easiest way to get music on nettops thou

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rhollan:

esp. those that my kids insist run WinBlows.

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kormoc:

mp3act did it wrong and it's non-trivial to fix

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kormoc:

why not share it via read-only nfs and have them point their media player at it?

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wagnerrp:

soundmanager? http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/

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wagnerrp:

sphery: look at that, i can copy/paste through xpra :)

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sphery:

heh, no more wagnerrp-encoded URIs

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rhollan:

kormoc: the more ways to access media, the greater a pain it is, though that is the easy cop out. The problem is serving metadata to different apps

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rhollan:

or chose to not serve metadata at all

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kormoc:

metadata in mp3 files are stored in the file...

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rhollan:

I ripped flac files

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rhollan:

and like how cover artwork can be retrieved

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kormoc:

if flac supports id3 tags, the cover art can be embedded in the file

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wagnerrp:

soundmanager seems more like a playback API rather than a full web application like mp3act

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rhollan:

yeah, but that means post-import edit of the file, which requires write permissions

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kormoc:

you can manage that locally. You only have to do it once

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** kormoc shrugs **

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rhollan:

I guess

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rhollan:

Also, with NFS, one has lack of authentication. Web apps allow authentication to be handled at the web server

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: hey i was finally able to get the os x frontend to build on 10.6. Although i still am missing the qt jpeg plugin

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sphery:

Shadow__X: I thought you said it was building it?

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Shadow__X:

sphery: thats what i though but i guess i was wrong

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sphery:

:(

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Shadow__X:

yeah so I am unsure where to go from here. It seems like i might be able to get the plugin and drop it within the mythfrontend.app? or maybe i have to look at the build script

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

is it a separate qt plugin or just a configure option?

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: from what i have read with qt4 jpeg is a plugin or atleast thats my understanding of it

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kormoc:

how are you checking for it's existance?

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: sphery found this page a few days ago http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/deployment-mac.html#qt-plugins

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kormoc:

and how can you tell it's not working?

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sphery:

do you have a qjpeg*.dylib?

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Shadow__X:

i was running the frontend and when i went to mythvideo none of my jpeg metadata images came up. the only image that came up was a .png at which point i went to the console to check the errors and it seemed to point towards the plugin

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kormoc:

./.osx-packager/build/plugins/imageformats/libqjpeg.dylib

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kormoc:

so mine is building it

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kormoc:

let me check to see if mine work or not

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sphery:

oh, libqjpeg*.dylib... heh

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sphery:

and kormoc's is where it shoudl be for deployment

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: yeah i have libqjpeb.dylib in that folder

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sphery:

so it may just require setting a lib path for the Mac OS guys

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sphery:

so it finds the imageformats plugins

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Shadow__X:

sphery: how would i check that?

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sphery:

Shadow__X: do you have a qt.conf?

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Shadow__X:

not in my home folder

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Shadow__X:

wait i thought that was a .qt sorry

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sphery:

on Mac OS X, in the Resource directory inside the appliction bundle, for example assistant.app/Contents/Resources/qt.conf

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Shadow__X:

sphery: nope

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Brad-D:

hey guys, i'm trying to run a python script i created as a user job, and it just seems to stayed "queued" for infinity, and never runs. Any idea what I might be doing wrong?

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sphery:

seems the packager script should make a qt.conf, put it in that location, and specify the location of the plugins in the app bundle

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Shadow__X:

and sorry about the misinterpretation

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Beirdo:

Brad-D: maybe it was just getting outta bed? :)

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: you have not set that user job as runnable by any backend

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wagnerrp:

by default, no backend will run a user job

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Brad-D:

ahhhh that makes total sense, i don't remember setting anything like that, i just typed in the command

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Brad-D:

although i suspect beirdo is onto something to? ;)

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sphery:

Shadow__X: or, possibly easier, just make Contents/plugins/imageformats/libqjpeg.dylib

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Brad-D:

i would enable that in mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

and don't do a new qt.conf

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wagnerrp:

'queued for infinity', i was going to call it british

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: yes, in mythtv-setup on the backend you want to run the job on

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wagnerrp:

and then you must restart the backend

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Brad-D:

gotcha, thanks

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Shadow__X:

sphery: ok so your saying create the plugins folder undert Contents and try that?

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Shadow__X:

will do

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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sphery:

Shadow__X: yeah, and make sure you put imageformats/libqjpeg.dylib in plugins

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Brad-D:

looks like it will take a while to find out, gotta few hours of recordings to finish before i can mess with the backend

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Shadow__X:

sphery: just did that now will fire it up

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Brad-D:

can anyone make a recommendation for a good wireless keyboard, that has a extremely long range?

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wagnerrp:

anything bluetooth should work

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sphery:

bluetooth is better than just RF?

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sphery:

is that for the "good" part or the "long range" part?

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wagnerrp:

the proprietary RF stuff ive used, definately

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wagnerrp:

all of my RF logitech stuff dies after ~4ft

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Shadow__X:

this is the error i am getting http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1908336

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Brad-D:

yeah i have the same 4 ft problem on multiple wireless keyboards

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Brad-D:

what is the range of your bluetooth keyboard wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

i dont have one

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wagnerrp:

but bluetooth is supposed to be 30ft minimum

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sphery:

I find that the BT disconnects after a short time, then I hit a key and it doesn't take, so I type things like, "kdir temp" or "s -l"

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Shadow__X:

but when i open mythfrontend without creating the imageformats folder i just get the "error loading image to scale" for all the jpegs

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sphery:

(i.e. first key causes it to reconnect, but doesn't count)

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wagnerrp:

my PS3 controllers, and wiimotes ive used, are good for several dozen feet and several walls before they crap out

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i though it was 30ft max or line of sight?

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Shadow__X:

for bluetooth anyway

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sphery:

I will admit that my Logitech RF has very short range

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wagnerrp:

s/very short/pathetic/

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sphery:

and is blocked by the monitor between me and the receiver

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wagnerrp:

i love this mouse and keyboard, but i make no claims about it working past the edge of my desk

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sphery:

I have only one wireless keyboard. I never type passwords on wireless keyboards, so the only system I can use it on is my Myth box.

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

quite the paranoid one there

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Beirdo:

Mr. Paranoid

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

hey, when everyone is out to get your passwords, you're allowed to be paranoid

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Beirdo:

yeah, I suppose

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Shadow__X:

sphery: what about the fact that you can easily get the transmissions of a wired keyboard from around 60–100 ft away through walls

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wagnerrp:

when i cant reliably type from 5ft, who is going to reliably steal passwords from 50

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sphery:

I just figure until Logitech lets me (where me = someone much smarter than me who doesn't work for Logitech) verify the encryption in use, I'm not going to trust it.

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wagnerrp:

now sure, /i/ could probably figure out how to rig up a high gain antenna to an oscilloscope, and work out the protocol

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Beirdo:

use opie for login

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

but ive got better things to do with my week

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sphery:

isn't opie dead?

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Beirdo:

so? Resurrect it

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wagnerrp:

and the people who live around me are technophobes

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sphery:

last I checked there was no current otp for GNU/Linux

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Beirdo:

one-time passwords FTW

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wagnerrp:

my BSD boxes keep complaining in the logs about OPIE not being set up properly

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Beirdo:

BSD00

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Beirdo:

er

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Beirdo:

BSD--

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** Beirdo is being silly, of course **

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Beirdo:

at least it ain't Windoze

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just ignore the black vans parked down the way with the big satellites on top... they're uhhh... news vans...

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Shadow__X:

http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/

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sphery:

heh, cool

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Shadow__X:

hmm the first example was upto roughly 65 feet

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kormoc:

sphery, they say wired keyboards are just as bad, so you better start typing with a butterfly

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wagnerrp:

well there you go... you just have to chicken-wire all your rooms

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Shadow__X:

:)

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wagnerrp:

or just use stucco\

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Shadow__X:

faraday cages for everyone

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sphery:

kormoc: good butterflies are beautiful plan

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sphery:

hey, I didn't say to butterflies make the world a better place flap there

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sphery:

this is impossible butterflies are smarter than sphery

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sphery:

back to the wired keyboard... I need to find some butterflies without brains of their own.

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Shadow__X:

so anyone have an idea whats going on with the qt jpeg plugin ? it seems like its there but just not working right?

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sphery:

Shadow__X: so even with it in that dir it doesn't help?

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sphery:

that /seems/ to be the default dir for the plugins for Mac OS

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Shadow__X:

gives me this issue http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1908336

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sphery:

but if not, you may need a qt.conf

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sphery:

I guess I'll withdraw my application to become a Mac Genius

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kormoc:

I'm getting the target thread crap just on startup of mythfrontend

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Shadow__X:

well one of the errors would make it seem that putting that lib there makes it try to load twice

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kormoc:

I need to poke at that

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sphery:

that's possible

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sphery:

the packager may have installed it somewhere (as part of Qt or something?)

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kormoc:

I think it compiles it in statically

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Shadow__X:

but the interesting error is that even without puttig that lib in there i still get this "error loading image to scale"

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Shadow__X:

i get that error even with other peoples autobuilds not just my own

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Shadow__X:

and that was the original error i was getting before i even thought of building my own

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** Beirdo watches some Dr Who **

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Shadow__X:

seems like the same issue as this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/419548

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sphery:

kormoc: please let me know if [25426] does Bad Things to your non-MyISAM DB :) (or if you have suggestions for improvements)

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dmfrey:

i started building a json module (much like default, rss, etc) that builds on recordings.php in modules/tv. mythweb doesn't understand that created a new module in the modules/tv/tmpl. where do i tell mythweb there is now a json module?

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tate:

I have a fresh ubuntu install, I installed mythtv and while I can connect the frontend to the backend locally on the same computer when I run the backend from the shell, the front end cannot find the backend when the backend daemon is running.

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tate:

Any notion as to what could cause this unpleasantness?

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wagnerrp:

what IP did you set for the backend to use?

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sphery:

dmfrey: Don't know the answer, but another developer has already written MythXML (in the backend) to speak JSON. You may want to talk to him before going too far down the JSON route.

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tate:

I gave it first my actual, then 127.0.0.1

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dmfrey:

sphery: do you know who that is?

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sphery:

tate: I'd guess you have different mysql.txt or config.xml files

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tate:

It works fine in either case if I go to the terminal and run mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

clearly having it listen on 127.0.0.1 isnt going to work for external connections

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sphery:

dmfrey: cdev

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sphery:

dmfrey: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/420010#420010

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tate:

It's the same computer

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sphery:

er, actually, the linked post

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/418085#418085

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wagnerrp:

but youre trying to connect a remote frontend

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dmfrey:

i will take a look, thanks

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

yeah, what sphery said, mysql.txt/config.xml badness

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sphery:

tate: note that most systems have multiple mysql.txt/config.xml files

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wagnerrp:

one per user

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tate:

so the daemon has one, and running as myself I have another

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sphery:

dmfrey: you might be able to get in touch with him through the -dev list

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dmfrey:

ok

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sphery:

dmfrey: we would all be very happy if you can get him to actually commit it :)

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sphery:

(I think he got busy with other stuff during the post 0.23 dev timeframe)

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dmfrey:

:)

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wagnerrp:

and hes available occasionally in the dev channel

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

if you ping him in the dev channel, it may get his attention :)

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Shadow__X:

sphery: is there a way to test the jpeg plugin to make sure its ok or is there a way to look into further why it says error loading image to scale

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sphery:

Shadow__X: no idea

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sphery:

I use a Free OS :)

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Shadow__X:

parts of this OS are free

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dmfrey:

sphery: that would still mean accessing it off of port 6544, correct? it so, i am trying to avoid having to expose that port

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wagnerrp:

dmfrey: so proxy parts of it through apache

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sphery:

dmfrey: yeah

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: are you around by any chance?

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sphery:

why are you going outside your network with it, anyway?

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** wagnerrp needs better headphones **

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sphery:

dmfrey: but, if nothing else, MythWeb should simply proxy the JSON (or MythXML stuff) for you rather than re-invent it

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sphery:

(or possibly proxy and build upon)

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: do you work on qt?

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dmfrey:

right, that is why i was going to right a json template that already used the recorded.php, much like the rss template is supposed to

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

dmfrey: oh... might want to talk to kormoc about that, then

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Shadow__X:

k thanks. just want to get to the bottom of this weird issue. I wonder if the frontend has the jpegs come up on 10.5

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dmfrey:

is he here or in the dev channel?

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dmfrey:

nevermind :)

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wagnerrp:

!seen cdev

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MythLogBot:

cdev was last seen 983 days 20 minutes 50 seconds ago

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tate:

So do I copy some files or do I need to consider a full reinstall here?

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wagnerrp:

im going to guess over there

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dmfrey:

kormoc: thanks

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dmfrey:

thanks

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sphery:

oh, he's approaching 1000-days without #mythtv-users

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sphery:

dmfrey: kormoc hangs out here, though

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dmfrey:

cool, i will post here as well

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dmfrey:

kormoc: i was told you could help me get mythweb to understand a new template module. i am writing a json template for recordings.php. how do I tell mythweb there is a new template module (much like how the rss module works)?

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wagnerrp:

aww WTF

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sphery:

well, I'm sure we've pinged him enough that he would have noticed in both places :)

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wagnerrp:

they changed the line

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wagnerrp:

they didnt even dub it well

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wagnerrp:

its clearly another voice, not the original

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sphery:

which line?

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wagnerrp:

they changed the number of replicants in blade runner from 5 to 4

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

they used to say five, leaving you wondering who the fifth was, with speculation far and wide

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wagnerrp:

when they re-re-re-released it in achdee, they dubbed over the line

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sphery:

grrrrr..... Got a segfault, so I ran in gdb and I can't repro it

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sphery:

and the worst part is I can't repro it without gdb, either

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sphery:

double free...

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Beirdo:

oh, I hate those

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sphery:

so I don't know if it's my patch or a pre-existing issue...

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sphery:

annoying

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sphery:

since the patch is a UI one, though, I think I'll ask for review

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Beirdo:

prob a good plane

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Shadow__X:

anyone read the tomshardware article where they compare the atom d510 to a p4 3.2ghz?

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wagnerrp:

the one modern processor an old P4 still competes with?

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Beirdo:

you know... newer != better

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Shadow__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

and its 13W TDP

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wagnerrp:

thats awful

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Shadow__X:

i loved how they put atoms with the 945 chipset

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sphery:

Shadow__X: is the 945 a power hog or something?

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Shadow__X:

sphery: yeah for example the atom n270 would pull around 10 watts or perhaps less the 945 would pull like 15 to 20 on its own tmk

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sphery:

hmmm, repeat recommendation from newegg almost exactly 12hrs later

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sphery:

Shadow__X: heh, funny

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sphery:

I'm interested in seeing what Fusion looks like

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Shadow__X:

i am sorry the max tdp for the n270(mobile chip 1.6 ghz) was 2.5 W

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wagnerrp:

the single core desktop chip was 4W, but they would pair it with a northbridge that would bring idle system load well over 25W

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wagnerrp:

the dual core was double that

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sphery:

is that what j-rod meant in his post?

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wagnerrp:

now the new dual core is up to 13W

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wagnerrp:

hopefully with a smaller south bridge

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah the northbridge is better now

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wagnerrp:

the northbridge doesnt exist now

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wagnerrp:

its been consumed by the CPU

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Shadow__X:

oh right nvm

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/443908#443908 post

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sphery:

Ontario ftw!

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wagnerrp:

no, j-rod's post was discussing how the desktop atoms didnt scale back much from TDP

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sphery:

(actually, Ontario will be interesting to see, but I doubt it will have the performance I want)

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sphery:

"didn't" as in they no longer make them?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about the new ones

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wagnerrp:

sounds like the Reds won

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sphery:

hmm, just curious

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sphery:

poor Blues

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sphery:

and I really liked Church

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wagnerrp:

errr, no... they lost with no runs

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wagnerrp:

then why did they just fire off a salvo of fireworks

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sphery:

the no-return policy?

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[R]:

oh man, i just watched the New Yankee Workshop

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[R]:

pretty EXTREME

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Beirdo:

ah, I love having too much TV recorded to watch

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[R]:

i have like 370 episdoes of cops

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[R]:

you mean like that?

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[R]:

i mean 260

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Beirdo:

that's not TV.

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Beirdo:

that's a train wreck

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[R]:

your right... its AWESOMENESS

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wagnerrp:

i liked the Cops episode with Mulder and Scully

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kormoc:

wagnerrp++

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Beirdo:

queiro cerveza

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rhollan:

Now this is cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_for_Supermarkets

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rhollan:

The 59-year-old French composer has had four entries in the Guinness Book Of Records for concert attendances, breaking his own total three times ? the largest being in 1997 when he performed to 3.5 million people in Moscow.

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Wicked:

anyone have issues with irexec stopping for no reason?.....i run "irexec -d" and im able to use it to open mythfrontend...but after a while...or if i open/close mythtv a few times....it stops running.

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pyarra:

hi, is it possible to exit the CD ripper part of mythtv and still leave it ripping?

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pyarra:

does anyone know if you can leave the CD ripper part of myth frontend and leave it still ripping? Like what you can do with a DVD?

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justinh:

pyarra: don't think so. not that ripping a cd should take very long anyway

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justinh:

tbh I dunno why mythfrontend has any kind of disc ripping. there are much better alternatives which offer far more control – and I'd much rather not have to use a remote do oversee a rip

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pyarra:

justinh: ok, thanks for the info. I think it's a bit annoying to not be able to use the myth box while you're ripping a CD (can be 15 minutes or so) but I can work around it by ripping on a nother system I guess

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pyarra:

the DVD ripper does let you leave it in the background, whih is nice

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pyarra:

justinh: as for why it has a ripper: more convenient to rip a DVD in the loungeroom than having to trot off to another computer I suppose

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justinh:

for doing a lot of ripping it's way less convenient ;-)

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justinh:

I re-ripped my whole collection last year. There was a *lot* of tagging to edit

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pyarra:

yeah, I'm thinking of the occasional stuff – when you come home with 2 new DVDs. I'm hoping to do them as I buy them, rather than one long painful batch

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justinh:

oops not my *whole* collection. I threw a lot of stuff out – things I'd collected for my DJing.. so it was gear I didn't like

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pyarra:

agreed though, for CDs, grip is a lot nicer to use

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justinh:

I mean I'd hate anything cheesy from the 1980s to come up in a random play selection ;-)

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pyarra:

what, like The Pixies, or Sisters of Mercy?

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justinh:

wouldn't call them cheesy

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pyarra:

(that's my usual response when people talk about how bad music was i the 80s – it really depends what you listened to during the 80s :-)

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justinh:

mainstream music *was* very bad in the 1980s. Mind you it's even worse now

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pyarra:

I'll bet it was mostly terrible in the 50s 60s and 70s too, but what we get to hear of those decades is the stuff thst wasn't the Bros or Milli Vanilli of that particular era

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justinh:

good music is good music. I don't care what decade it's from :)

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pyarra:

it's hard to argue with that

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justinh:

one of the clubs I go to has 2 rooms. in one room they have a tendency to go cheesy – when that happens everybody just goes into the other room

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justinh:

they've still not learned ;)

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Solaris444:

hi all.

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pyarra:

g'day solaris

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Solaris444:

I have noticed that MP4 files with AAC sound have problems on my machine – the audio playback is extremely slow.

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Solaris444:

A ticket was opened for this matter some time back, but it is marked as resolved.

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Solaris444:

Has anyone encountered similar problems?

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pyarra:

do you have a sample I can dload and try?

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justinh:

are you using a newer version than the one where the ticked was closed?

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justinh:

*ticket

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Solaris444:

yes.

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Solaris444:

I am using 0.23-fixes

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Solaris444:

it was listed as Fixed in r24847 and I am on r24879

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Solaris444:

pyarra, I can try to find one if you'd like.

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justinh:

anything useful in mythfrontend -v playback ?

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Solaris444:

ok let me check justinh.

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justinh:

and when you say 'slow' do you mean the audio is slowed down like playing a 45rpm record on 33rpm or do you mean it's got lots of little gaps in it?

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Solaris444:

the audio is slowed down – your first analogy

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justinh:

maybe your soundcard can only deal with 44.1khz sample rates & the video's audio is 48khz

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Solaris444:

On all of my frontends?

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Solaris444:

I have some interesting output.

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justinh:

I dunno, you never said you had more than one frontend

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Solaris444:

Should I put it in pastebin?

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justinh:

yes

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Solaris444:

http://pastebin.com/YEUZNneq

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Solaris444:

It's quite verbose.

[07:53:14]

Solaris444:

Kaffeine doesn't seem to have any problem with the file.

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Solaris444:

eventually I get messages saying there is an audio buffer overflow, audio data lost.

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justinh:

that other players cope with the file doesn't mean the file is perfect though ;)

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justinh:

what samplerate is the video's audio then? ffmpeg -i $THEFILENAME

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Solaris444:

true. But I thought it might help if you knew. Fetching the file info now.

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Solaris444:

looks like it's 48000 Hz

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justinh:

is all other audio fine? from other videos without aac – and stuff you record?

[07:59:09]

Solaris444:

one track is stereo, the other is 5.1

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justinh:

have you tried selecting the 5.1 track to see how that goes?

[08:01:25]

Solaris444:

I just attempted that. I can't tell which track is which – they both show up in the UI as 2 channel. But if I had to guess, I'd say it was the stereo one which is fine and the 5.1 is misbehaving.

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Solaris444:

I don't suppose the 5.1 track could be trying to be played back by the system as stereo somehow due to a misdetection?

[08:03:51]

justinh:

could be. does ffmpeg report the audio streams correctly?

[08:04:42]

Solaris444:

ffmpeg itself appears to on the command line.

[08:04:52]

Solaris444:

but libfaac is what's doing the decoding.

[08:05:36]

Solaris444:

I had to create a symlink on my system libfaac.so -> libfaac.so.2 as aac-encoded files wouldn't play back at all previously.

[08:06:11]

justinh:

you do know you need aac support enabled in mythfrontend right?

[08:06:50]

justinh:

by which I mean it has to be compiled in

[08:06:58]

justinh:

I've run into packages where it wasn't enabled

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Solaris444:

Yes. The package was just looking for a libfaac.so instead of libfaac.so.2

[08:07:34]

Solaris444:

so i created the necessary symlink.

[08:07:46]

Solaris444:

Files with AAC audio actually start.

[08:07:52]

Solaris444:

And the stereo files appear to play back fine.

[08:08:40]

Solaris444:

I looked at the mythtv logs and when i was trying to play mp4 with aac audio it would actually complain about libfaac.so missing, so I assume that means it was compiled with support, justinh

[08:08:42]

justinh:

I thought myth always used internal libs

[08:09:26]

Solaris444:

really? the logs specifically mentioned libfaac.so as missing.

[08:12:59]

Solaris444:

So, you think this is a miscompile by the packager? Or a bug resurfacing?

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justinh:

no idea

[08:13:33]

Solaris444:

or is there a way to prevent 5.1 tracks from being auto-selected on systems that don't support them?

[08:14:11]

justinh:

dunno that either. on the stuff I rip I only leave the surround track. no point having stereo if there's a 5.1 :)

[08:14:22]

Solaris444:

ah. i don't have 5.1

[08:14:33]

Solaris444:

well, at least I'm closer to solving it.

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Solaris444:

Thanks justinh

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justinh:

AFAIK myth will always select the audio track marked as primary

[08:15:18]

justinh:

so if that's the 5.1 track...

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Solaris444:

right.

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justinh:

oh wait – maybe that fix you saw in trac wasn't backported

[08:16:10]

Solaris444:

so what DOES happen with 5.1 tracks on stereo-only setups?

[08:16:17]

Solaris444:

oh?

[08:16:23]

Solaris444:

how would that happen?

[08:16:41]

Solaris444:

the fix was supposedly in an earlier release than the one i have...

[08:16:50]

Solaris444:

but then maybe the packager didn't add those fixes.

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justinh:

if it was rolled in with a bunch of new features, which it was by the look of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24847 then it won't be backported

[08:17:42]

justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7497

[08:18:04]

justinh:

that the one? ^^^^

[08:20:05]

Solaris444:

That's the one I found, yes.

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Solaris444:

OK, I'll contact the packager and see what they have to say.

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justinh:

the packager won't say much

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justinh:

looks like the fix was in r24847, and that changenote is about trunk

[08:22:05]

justinh:

trunk 2 months ago, when r24847 was committed.. is still trunk now, now 0.23

[08:22:16]

justinh:

er NOT 0.23

[08:22:40]

justinh:

so the fix isn't in any 0.23 version as far as I know

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Solaris444:

ahhhh!

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Solaris444:

good catch justinh!

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Solaris444:

So, any idea on how to get this fix moved into 0.23-fixes?

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justinh:

if it was rolled into something as big as the hdaudio enhancement jya was doing there's no chance

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justinh:

just put up with having to select the stereo track til 0.24 rolls along, or start using trunk

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Solaris444:

so in other words, wait for 0.24 for the fix

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Solaris444:

gotcha.

[08:27:41]

Solaris444:

Well, at least I have a resolution now.

[08:28:05]

justinh:

you could always have a go at remuxing the video(s) to make the stereo stream the first audio track

[08:28:46]

justinh:

ffmpeg has some nifty mapping options you can use to do that I think

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Solaris444:

well, stream 0.1 (the first audio stream) is stereo

[08:29:03]

Solaris444:

but the machine is auto selecting stream 0.2

[08:29:06]

Solaris444:

which is 5.1

[08:29:18]

Solaris444:

plus it detects it as stereo

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justinh:

weird

[08:29:26]

Solaris444:

but that's probably related to the fix that was entered.

[08:29:29]

Solaris444:

Yeah.

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Solaris444:

LOLOLOLOL! I just told my system it was 5.1 capable and now the 5.1 track plays fine. In stereo! XD

[08:32:16]

justinh:

wait a sec.. .23 came out in may

[08:32:24]

justinh:

maybe the fix is already in there

[08:32:34]

justinh:

time is passing by very slowly for me lately

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Solaris444:

it would be a close call though.

[08:33:11]

Solaris444:

even so, i just found a (ridiculous) workaround.

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justinh:

that changeset went in on may 25th.... 0.23 came out on May 10th

[08:43:11]

justinh:

so nah, it's not in a release by the look of it

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Solaris444:

ok cool.

[08:45:01]

Solaris444:

Now all I need to do is figure out why movie posters are no longer coming through.

[08:45:12]

justinh:

ah

[08:45:20]

justinh:

you mean with the internal grabber?

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Solaris444:

right.

[08:45:28]

justinh:

like pressing W ?

[08:45:46]

justinh:

that's a redirect tmdb have got, which isn't being parsed by mythtv

[08:46:09]

justinh:

you need a newer mythtv :-) It's already fixed in 0.23-fixes & will be in 0.23.1

[08:46:20]

justinh:

or rather IS in 0.23.1 too

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Solaris444:

hmmm... my packages are apparently based on 0.23-fixes

[08:46:56]

justinh:

yeah but when from? ;-)

[08:47:15]

justinh:

24879.. hmm.. dunno when the fix went in

[08:48:43]

justinh:

looks like you need at least 25356

[08:49:06]

justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8634

[08:49:55]

Solaris444:

that seems to have changed recently?

[08:50:03]

Solaris444:

i don't typically press W

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Solaris444:

i go to "download metadata", but I assume they do the same thing.

[08:50:20]

justinh:

yeah same thing

[08:50:27]

justinh:

JAMU remained unaffected

[08:52:12]

justinh:

you know, I think I'm a gonna nuke the packages on my system. I'm fed up with all the uncertaintly of which version I've actually got

[08:52:29]

Jay2k1:

a few times my myth would fail to display most of the posters from videos... the rest had their full path and filename in the db 'videometadata' table, but the ones not being displayed anymore had just the filenames w/o path

[08:52:36]

justinh:

and which options are actually compiled in

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Jay2k1:

but not sure if that also affected new entries

[08:54:37]

justinh:

so is 0.23-fixes in svn actually what people are calling 0.23.1 ?

[08:56:07]

justinh:

there's no branch for it, so I'm assuming yes

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Solaris444:

Jay2k1, that's likely because of the move to "storage groups"

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justinh:

wth? configure --enable-libfaad isn't reporting I've enabled it

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justinh:

that's no fair

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justinh:

it's in config.mak as enabled, so it's there. why not say so then?

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Solaris444:

what happened?

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justinh:

I ran .configure --enable-libfaac & the output didn't show I'd enabled it

[09:03:43]

justinh:

the packages I've got allegedly have libfaac support enabled but mythfrontend --version doesn't report libfaac is compiled in either

[09:04:21]

justinh:

I looked in the code – it should be reported if enabled.. no idea why it wouldn't be.. so who do I believe? lol

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gbee:

justinh: tag --enable-nonfree onto that, just curious to know if it does anything in 0.23

[09:13:42]

justinh:

<h1 style "color:red">Important news ... closure between 26th July & 30th July</h1> and somebody emailed me asking if it's open on the 28th. I bet that's the kind of muppet who asks staff in Poundland how much everything is

[09:14:11]

Jay2k1:

Solaris444: please explain... mythvideo and storage groups? i mean, i fixed it by writing a shellscript that adds the path to the sql entries, but still i'm interested in the cause

[09:14:29]

justinh:

gbee: grrr... lol. trying it now

[09:16:11]

gbee:

fwiw configure doesn't output anything for me when enabling libfaac

[09:16:26]

gbee:

is this to allow seeking in mythmusic ?

[09:16:29]

justinh:

gbee: same old same old http://pastebin.com/xxs0tYJX

[09:16:40]

justinh:

no, this is to allow playing files with aac audio

[09:16:59]

justinh:

oh wait is that libfaad?

[09:17:30]

justinh:

good grief where IS my head today?

[09:17:32]

gbee:

heh, yeah that's faad

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justinh:

I was using --enable-libfaad

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justinh:

DUH

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justinh:

my head's a shed ;)

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gbee:

and 0.23 has native aac support

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justinh:

it does? lol

[09:18:23]

gbee:

although some variants don't work yet

[09:18:41]

justinh:

so why's there an enable option fer it?

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gbee:

justinh: so people can use the external lib if their broadcaster is using the LATM aac stuff that ffmpeg doesn't yet support

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Solaris444:

Jay2k1: Storage groups are set in mythtv-setup. They are supposed to prevent manual configuration of paths from within the frontend GUI.

[09:20:59]

justinh:

ah so that enables using an external lib? I see now

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Solaris444:

gbee: I was just discussing with justinh about how 0.23 plays up when playing back AAC surround tracks in stereo configurations.

[09:21:52]

Solaris444:

I don't think I have a version with the fixes yet.

[09:21:53]

justinh:

remind me to set WoL on my frontend when I get home

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Solaris444:

justinh: Set Wake on LAN on your frontend when you get home.

[09:22:25]

justinh:

beep beep

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gbee:

Solaris444: can't comment, audio is jya's area and it's been largely re-written in trunk

[09:22:56]

Solaris444:

so i understand gbee.

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Solaris444:

Looking forward to 0.24

[09:23:07]

Solaris444:

what kind of timeframe?

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justinh:

gbee: looks like a fix for Solaris444's problem went in very soon after 0.23 came out. heh

[09:25:43]

Solaris444:

thanks for your help btw justinh

[09:25:55]

justinh:

well, sure beats working ;-)

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gbee:

justinh: have a commit # ? Might be something we can backport

[09:26:51]

justinh:

yeah the hdaudio branch merge

[09:27:07]

gbee:

ah, not something we can backport ;)

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Solaris444:

i figured.

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justinh:

r24847

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Solaris444:

lol, yup i thought as much

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

I guess it's about time for sleep

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justinh:

grrr. "not yet then?" people here asking. Well duh... let me think. Would I be here at work if... ? Idiots

[09:34:40]

justinh:

heh at the 'continue recording after signal loss' ML post. Er.. hello guy.. why not FIX the signal going away problem instead?

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drindt:

i have permanently zombie processes on my mythtv box, what can i do?

[10:11:15]

justinh:

get a priest? Oh no that's for exorcisms

[10:11:33]

Beirdo:

cricket bat

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justinh:

no, cricket bat is what you use when you're out trying to snag a date

[10:12:09]

Beirdo:

....

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Beirdo:

Shaun of the Dead. :)

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justinh:

heh

[10:12:32]

Beirdo:

cricket bat is the weapon of choice against zombies

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justinh:

this is definite deja vu now

[10:12:53]

justinh:

somebody'll mention Christopher Walken in a minute

[10:12:59]

justinh:

!! OMG I just did!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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drindt:

justinh: :-) i dont understand it http://fpaste.org/hVHh/

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justinh:

:-\

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drindt:

justinh: but the frontend is working, thats why iam not understand

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Beirdo:

OK, amazonfresh order made... bed time

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Beirdo:

dangit, 3:20am

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map7:

I'm trying to get two HVR-2200's working in my mates Ubuntu machine and it's not picking up the second card, has anyone experienced this?

[10:42:23]

map7:

I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 64bit

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map7:

Both cards work if they are the only card in there

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map7:

If I have them both in there the second card comes up in dmesg as saa7164[1] and isn't detected properly.

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oobe:

so your saying the device is not being created?

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oobe:

if so then its possible somthing you could set in udev

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hashbang:

map7: possible also that the cards aren't able to co-exist because either a) they only have one set of PCI config options or b) you've run out of (shareable) PCI resources

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map7:

hashbang, I'll try the other PCI-E slot, good idea

[11:09:55]

map7:

I've still got the same problem in a different PCI-E slot. Here is my dmesg: http://pastie.org/1060268

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AndyCap:

map7: btw, how much ram do you have?

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map7:

8GB

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map7:

I've got plug and play off in the BIOs

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map7:

is this an issue

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map7:

It looks like it could be sharing an IRQ

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AndyCap:

map7: just read some reports that windows users had problems with more than 4gb, dunno if that is due to the windows driver or the hardware though.

[11:15:27]

AndyCap:

map7: so trying with 2 or 3 gb might be worth a shot.

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map7:

thanks shall do

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oobe:

you can try options saa7164 card=4 in your /etc/modprobe/options file

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oobe:

or whatever it is in ubuntu

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map7:

I've tried 'options saa7164 card=4' under the /etc/modprobe.d/saa7164.conf file, I think that's how you do it. That didn't work.

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oobe:

yea that would work

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oobe:

you can call the file anything fyi

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oobe:

pity it didnt work though

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Solaris444:

at least jamu is currently still working

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map7:

And4713, Just tried it with 4GB and 2GB and still have the same problem

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mcmuffin`:

I'm not a mythtv user, but I have trouble with my lirc setup, I hoped you might be able to help. Thing is, irrecord works, but irw won't show anything. I guess I'm doing something obvious wrong, but I don't know what...

[11:31:14]

map7:

oobe, do I have to set it different to pick up the second card, ie: saa7164[1] card=4 or something

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oobe:

im not sure how you would do that but that is why i was suggesting udev

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oobe:

then i saw your pastebin and noticed only the first card is being detected as type 4

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map7:

oobe, yeah both cards work singularly though

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oobe:

yea i assumed that

[11:34:20]

oobe:

as mentioned earlier it could be a irq problem

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oobe:

cat /proc/interrupts

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map7:

oobe, looks like the second card is sharing 'pata_jmicron, ohci1394, saa7164[1]'

[11:42:20]

map7:

I don't need the pata and firewire device so I could turn them off in the bios I suppose

[11:42:26]

map7:

I'll give that a go.

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oobe:

you can do that as a test

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map7:

oobe, Now the second card is not sharing an IRQ but still will not detect

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oobe:

ok then atleast you know its not an irq prob

[11:46:12]

map7:

What did you mean about the udev before

[11:46:45]

oobe:

udev controls how devices are created

[11:47:11]

oobe:

it sounds like your not getting your /dev/dvb or /dev/video1 or whatever

[11:47:16]

oobe:

it needs to be allocated

[11:47:21]

oobe:

i dont know how to do it

[11:47:39]

oobe:

simple cause i havent had that problem

[11:47:51]

oobe:

it would require some research

[11:48:17]

oobe:

what devices are created for the card that is detected properly

[11:48:38]

map7:

/dev/dvb

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map7:

with adapter0 and adapter1 for each tuner on that dual tuner card underneath /dev/dvb

[11:49:14]

map7:

there is no /dev/dvb1 or dvb0

[11:49:29]

map7:

I have played with udev before under FreeBSD

[11:49:38]

map7:

a while ago though

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oobe:

no there should just only be /dev/dvb

[11:50:03]

oobe:

with sub folders for each device adapter0 adapter1 adapter2 etc.

[11:50:17]

map7:

ok well I only have adapter0 and adapter1

[11:51:34]

oobe:

is the 2200 a dual dvb tuner?

[11:51:41]

oobe:

or is it hybrid

[11:52:20]

map7:

It's a dual dvb tuner and dual analogue.

[11:52:28]

map7:

but the linux driver only works for the dual dvb part

[11:52:48]

map7:

I've been using the dual tuner for a few months now

[11:52:57]

map7:

and just got the second one

[11:53:10]

oobe:

i am googling and it apperently has different firmwares available

[11:54:01]

map7:

which site?

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map7:

as i've just been using the linuxtv.org site

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oobe:

this thread has similar problems http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1526513 this one is the reference site http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=721 and here is the firmwares v4l-saa7164–1.0.3–3.fw

[11:55:47]

oobe:

http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr22xx/firmwares/4038864/

[11:56:58]

oobe:

you can also try updating the drivers http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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oobe:

i.e hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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map7:

Ok trying new firmware, then new drivers, then research udev

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map7:

oobe, just built the latest driver

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oobe:

didnt work

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oobe:

?

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map7:

just had to also copy that firmware over to the kernel firmware dir

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map7:

rebooting now

[12:19:18]

map7:

Well I have now got 4 adapters in my /dev/dvb

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map7:

that's a good sign

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map7:

I'm going to jump right into mythtv-setup and give it a go

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map7:

oobe, It works,

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map7:

!!!

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map7:

It's so awesome

[12:24:27]

map7:

thanks for all your help

[12:24:54]

map7:

And hashbang, AndyCap also

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map7:

thanks

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justinh:

bye bye stinky packages!

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hashbang:

map7: n/p

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map7:

I don't know if it's me but the new firmware image looks much clearer

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map7:

does upgrading the firmware every increase quality of the image?

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oobe:

awesome

[12:32:42]

oobe:

probably not

[12:33:21]

oobe:

but could do

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oobe:

you would have to ask a v4l dev

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map7:

Is anyone here picking up Channel 31 digital in Victoria, Australia?

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orly_owl:

do you want the frequency?

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orly_owl:

i pick it up on my tv

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map7:

orly_owl, cool so it does exist. I just have a Mythtv and digital cards so it was a bit hard to know if it existed or not

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orly_owl:

its channel 44

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map7:

I'm using w_scan at the moment, it should pick it up but it takes forever.

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orly_owl:

on the channel numbering thingy

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orly_owl:

the signal isnt as strong, depending on your location of course

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map7:

should 'w_scan -c AU >> channels.conf' create a file which I can import in mythtv-setup?

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map7:

or do I need to use a switch such as -x, -X or -k ?

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map7:

If I try and read in the channels.conf file after using that command I get 'failed to parse '%1'' in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

use dvb_utils' scan instead of w_scan then :)

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justinh:

or hey, what's up with the scanner in mythtv-setup?

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justinh:

if scanning is failing in other apps though, I don't hold out much hope for you

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map7:

justinh, It's not picking up channel 31

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map7:

The scan and mythtv scanners pick up every other channel

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map7:

I can see the output of channels.conf that w_scan creates does include channel 31

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justinh:

maybe you're somewhere where the frequency information isn't being correctly broadcast

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map7:

I do get the freq. for channel 31 though using w_scan

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justinh:

see what mythtv-setup does is believe what's in the dvb tables

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justinh:

w_scan doesn't even look in there

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justinh:

it just tunes & sees what it gets

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justinh:

and it's been reported in the past that some places in Aus have DVB tables which are incorrect

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anykey_:

hm, maybe that can be correct by using a patch to fix the NIT-ID

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wagnerrp:

map7: no, its only a dual hybrid

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map7:

Got it I had to use the -X flag. It just took a while to test each one

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wagnerrp:

it has two tuners, each of which can do digital or analog

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wagnerrp:

not four separate tuners

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map7:

yeah Channel 31 is digital now

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map7:

since the 11 June 2010

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map7:

I just got it in my w_scan -c AU -X >> channels.conf

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map7:

I'm watching Digital Channel 31 now :)

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map7:

It's bible time :(

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nerox:

if anyone has any suggestions. ive installed fresh copy of ubuntu and mythtv, been thru the configuration and thought i had everything correct, when i select live tv i get "please ..." and it hangs there for a minute then goes back to the menu

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nerox:

cant sort out what i have done wrong

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wagnerrp:

if its hanging trying to start livetv, please check your backend logs to see why the recording is not starting

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rileyp:

map7 ch31 has been up for ages

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rileyp:

have you the channel logo?

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nerox:

wagnerrp ill check that, i spent so much time messing with it that i was afraid i had messed it right up so doing a fresh install and nearly completed

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rileyp:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=796058 Skippy Channel logos!

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map7:

rileyp thanks for the link to the logos looks good.

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orly_owl:

rileyp: Do you have FTA satellite?

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orly_owl:

i noticed expo channel logo there

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orly_owl:

oh they are logos nation wide

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orly_owl:

ok

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rileyp:

FTA

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rileyp:

FTA only logos were made by bloke in Sydney I added ch31 and someone else ...

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rileyp:

LOgos need to instaled on FE and BE as well

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rileyp:

else the guide slows down horribly to the point iits unusable

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orly_owl:

bummer

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rileyp:

orly_owl, Its easy enough to do just make same dir on FE as BE and away you go

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rileyp:

ssh -X into your BE and away you go

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j-rod:

soâ€¦ does anyone here know any details about why ion2 platform supposedly isn't a good choice for a mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

as in, its less capable than the first ION?

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wagnerrp:

maybe the graphics switching plays hell with linux applications

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anykey_:

j-rod: it only supports 720p, iirc because Intel capped it

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j-rod:

â€¦the frell?

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wagnerrp:

anykey_: the ION2 platform has a GT210-derived graphics chip

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: jya said something about it sucking on the list, looking for clarification to that, I ASSume he knows what he was talking about...

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anykey_:

wagnerrp: yeah, but I think Intel crippled the platform to only support 720p, but that's just out of memory

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j-rod:

ion2 is supposed to have enough shaders that I would have thought advanced 2x deint was doable too

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j-rod:

if so, that's just messed up

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rileyp:

If JYA says its no good I wouldnt go thereI

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anykey_:

j-rod: sorry, seems like my memory is wrong, there are multiple products with 1080p outputs

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j-rod:

iirc, he said it was "too slow"

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wagnerrp:

if its only GT210 derived, that is 'too slow' for Adv2x at 1080i

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rileyp:

then dont go there simple

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wagnerrp:

rileyp: then it provides no advantage over the original ION platform

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wagnerrp:

'Maximum Digital Resolution: 2560x1600'

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wagnerrp:

16 cores at 535MHz

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: gt210 derived, but I saw something somewhere or another that said "but with more shaders, 2x that of ion1"

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rileyp:

asrock ion is fine for me. very happy with mine.

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j-rod:

but if its only 16, then its the same

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wagnerrp:

the GT210 is 16 cores at 589MHz

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j-rod:

rileyp: I already have two ion boxes, that's not the issue for me.

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rileyp:

ok ill go back under rock

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wagnerrp:

supports multi-monitor

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wagnerrp:

couldnt the old IONs only have one output active at a time?

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rileyp:

bedtime for me anyway night all

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j-rod:

never tried dual-head w/either of mine

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j-rod:

for the record, I have an asrock ion330 pro and a zotac ion 330 build of my own

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i would say the ION2 is less of 'too slow', and more of 'insignificantly faster'

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j-rod:

yeah, more "not really in any way better than ion1" than anything else, from what I can tell

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j-rod:

well, except for a gt210 derivative supporting more codecs than on ion1, but most of those can be done fine in software anyway

[15:01:58]

wagnerrp:

that 'optimus graphics switching' may be interesting from a power standpoint

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wagnerrp:

but 10–15W on a machine that should be off or in standby when not in use anyway, nothing too spectacular

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j-rod:

ha. didn't realize 'til now that ion2's dedicated vram is out of necessity, not because they wanted to provide a better graphics experience.

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j-rod:

pinetrail's integrated memory controller makes is impossible for nvidia to jack memory for the gpu

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they have no way to access the CPU's memory

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j-rod:

only single-lane pcie path to the gpu too

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j-rod:

now that's comical. at least, zotac zbox ion1 vs. ion2, the ion2 uses more power, both idle and during decode.

[15:11:59]

j-rod:

ion2 sounded so promising. what a turd.

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anykey_:

if Intel didn't cripple pineview it would still sound promising ;)

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j-rod:

well, that's definitely part of it

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j-rod:

I wanted more shaders

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j-rod:

I think that's more on nvidia

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anykey_:

is there really a huge difference between the two deinterlacers?

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j-rod:

probably not *huge*

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j-rod:

but with advanced 2x on my gt220, you can't tell you're not just watching via the cable box

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j-rod:

the video playback is absolutely perfect

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j-rod:

w/ion, I swear I can tell the difference. I can't pinpoint *what* exactly, but its just not quite as perfect.

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anykey_:

I don't remember which deinterlacer is set up on my ION, but all I know is that I can't really see anything wrong with the picture..

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j-rod:

I didn't really notice any significant issues until getting the gt220 up and running

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j-rod:

though I went from intel graphics to ion after getting fed up with the tearing on intel graphics never ever likely to be fixed

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j-rod:

though, video on my t61 decoded w/the crystalhd and played back through its onboard intel graphics looks quite flawless

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j-rod:

wish I actually made real progress on added support for that thing in mythtv before getting sidetracked by a million other things

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AndyCap:

j-rod: another pvr-350 video output?

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j-rod:

no, way better

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j-rod:

you get decoded frames of video dma'd out of the decoder to do with as you please, rather than having to use a specific output, and it supports far more codecs at much larger sizes

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j-rod:

1080p h.264 at 60fps in the current gen crystalhd

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AndyCap:

but will soon be surpassed by generic hardware

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SNIFFER_dog:

what type graphics cards and output are you guys using?

[15:34:05]

SNIFFER_dog:

I've got and XFX GeForce 7900GT has 2 HDMI and was wondering if that was good enought for MythTV?

[15:35:50]

hashbang:

SNIFFER_dog: plenty

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hashbang:

SNIFFER_dog: I'm using an MX440

[15:35:58]

SNIFFER_dog:

thanks

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AndyCap:

SNIFFER_dog: what are you plannin to play back?

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hashbang:

SNIFFER_dog: if you're playing HD, you might need a 9000 series for vdpau

[15:36:26]

SNIFFER_dog:

have a 42" Plasma, Panny

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AndyCap:

no, what kind of video source

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SNIFFER_dog:

ah sorry Im new so bear with me

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SNIFFER_dog:

a mixture of SD and HD on the UK Feesat service

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j-rod:

AndyCap: sure, will be surpassed, but its an add-on card that can be put into things like, for example, my 2.5 year old thinkpad t61, which has intel graphics.

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justinh:

ouch. no text display on the OSD at all

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SNIFFER_dog:

any video cards you would recommend for HD as I'm potentially having problems with mine, currently changing the power supply to see if thats the problem next will be the GPU. HD is what I'm hoping to play smoothly.

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justinh:

arghhh. stupid blinking thing

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oobe:

orly_owl, what is the frequency for C31 digital i didnt know it existed

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orly_owl:

ill go check

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justinh:

OSD, Error: Unable to find font: FreeSans.ttf No OSD will be displayed.

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justinh:

oof

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orly_owl:

oobe: RF Parameter: [C32] 557.50MHz

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oobe:

ok thanks

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orly_owl:

np

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justinh:

what? locate FreeSans.tff – lists it as being in /usr/share/mythtv – but it's not when I ls -al

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orly_owl:

its ch 44 on the numbering system thing

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orly_owl:

probably cos sbs has 3x

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oobe:

doesnt seem to want to scan in using dvb-utils

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orly_owl:

w_scan?

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orly_owl:

conspiracy!

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oobe:

DVB-T Frequency 557.625 MHz

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justinh:

wth? I've got these fonts installed man

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justinh:

all I did was remove the mythtv packages & build from source

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sid3windr:

justinh: "updatedb"? :P

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justinh:

nah

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justinh:

just rebuilt, this time with configure --prefix=/usr/local

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justinh:

now it works. weird

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justinh:

thing was, it put all the programs & libs in the right places

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justinh:

prolly some lame hangover from using the packages

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sphery:

wow, 2500DPI. That's an impressive 720p display.

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sphery:

(and small)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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frebas:

what happens with mythbackend wenn the hdd is full?

[16:56:14]

Beirdo:

and I agree with his last statement

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Beirdo:

the app should notice the bogon

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sphery:

yeah, I'll put that in

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sphery:

I've seen messages about 0pt fonts before--I think when I was testing installs with missing themes

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Beirdo:

dunno what we wanna DO about it, but it should at least whine that something's stupid

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Beirdo:

default to 100DPI maybe?

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sphery:

I'll put in code to notice it, output a message saying that the value is impossible and is likely due to broken X settings, then pick an un-modified font size

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sphery:

we do default to 100DPI

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Beirdo:

cool

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sphery:

100DPI, for the theme base res

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sphery:

so, 800x600 resolution theme base means an 8"x6" screen

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sphery:

1280x720 = 12.8x7.2, 1920x1080 = 19.2x10.8

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Beirdo:

pretty small

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Beirdo:

so... 10" diagonal for 800x600 :)

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sphery:

then we calculate fonts sizes for those sizes (so 12pt font = 1/6", so on a 19.2x10.8 screen, it's 1/115.2 as high as the screen )

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sphery:

yeah, but it works well for the 10-ft UI

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sphery:

we want large fonts

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

especially for the blind

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sphery:

this way, though, we don't have themers working with crazy font sizes like 72pt or 144pt

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sphery:

granted, when iamlindoro creates his quad-HD theme (3840x2160), he may have to use large fonts like that.

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Beirdo:

why oh why would you do that?

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sphery:

I think he calls it "Arcwelder" (since that's what the GPU looks like after running with it)

[17:02:22]

sphery:

I'm just joking.

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sid3windr:

:)

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Beirdo:

call it Slagpile

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sphery:

hhe

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sid3windr:

nvidia cards can do that res just fine ;)

[17:02:45]

AndyCap:

to cater for 4k HD

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Beirdo:

there's no point to such endeavors :)

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justinh:

my current WIP uses quite a chunky font size

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justinh:

for old gits like me :D

[17:03:05]

sphery:

sid3windr: it's the fact that they're plugged into 512MB Atom systems that causes the meltdown

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henkpoley:

"cheap frontend" is still: use some nvidia ion system ?

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justinh:

it's all well & good having 12px high fonts but..

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sid3windr:

sphery: oh, yea, that would ruin the board =)

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** sid3windr had quad hd monitor for testing a few years ago though **

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sid3windr:

impressive++

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sphery:

henkpoley: seems there's some talk of ion2 being not such a good choice

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sphery:

But I should admit that I don't know atom/ion and I am very much biased against all things atom

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AndyCap:

oh my, youtube supports 4k

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Beirdo:

you are an atom-racist

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** AndyCap is pro-non-proliferation! **

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sphery:

IMHO, getting a real processor such that the system runs at the same overall power usage /and/ has the ability to compute is A Good Thing.

[17:05:14]

henkpoley:

sphery: same for me, but the best I have off the shelf is Mac Mini G4 1.4GHz with some Radeon GPU, or P4-Celeron 2.0GHz with some SiS GPU

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justinh:

AndyCap: oo cool. 4k block-o-vision :D

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AndyCap:

justinh: or maybe they do 25 spf video

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justinh:

50 spf is better. my face burns something rotten

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sphery:

henkpoley: the 2009 (and maybe 2010--don't know if they're easy to get working) Mac Mini is a nice choice for the "pre-built, low-power-usage, high-performance" mythtv box, IMHO

[17:06:27]

sphery:

the 2010 is actually quite small and beautiful

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kormoc:

AndyCap, pro-non-proliferation meaning antiliferation?

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henkpoley:

sphery: too expensive compared to cheap TV + Digitenne (netherlands DVB-T)

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justinh:

sphery: somebody blogged about how he got his 2010 mini to work

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sphery:

yeah, that Apple name does cost you

[17:07:13]

justinh:

henkpoley: mythtv ain't about saving money :)

[17:07:37]

kormoc:

the apple name isn't that much more then a equivalent ion platform with optical

[17:07:39]

henkpoley:

I already have a backend, so I though I'd plug both of my sisters on now they are renovating their rooms

[17:07:47]

sphery:

But you can do the same for power usage with a properly-designed home-assembled Core 2 Duo system. Small and pretty is more challenging (and /much/ more expensive).

[17:07:54]

kormoc:

$475 vs $675

[17:08:02]

henkpoley:

Can't really come in with a â‚¬700 plan afaik

[17:08:14]

henkpoley:

times 2 that is

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kormoc:

but a $500 plan is okay?

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sphery:

henkpoley: but if it's their money... ;)

[17:08:26]

henkpoley:

sphery: no it isn't

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: dual graphics and one frontend? :P

[17:08:41]

henkpoley:

AndyCap: what ?

[17:09:39]

henkpoley:

AndyCap: you mean dual head machine with one VGA/DVI/HDMI to one room, and another to the other room ?

[17:09:40]

AndyCap:

Im not sure if it is a good idea though, but two hdmi outputs with sound and two remotes? two users running mythfronted?

[17:10:01]

henkpoley:

Too hacky

[17:10:11]

henkpoley:

Mythtv is already very brittle

[17:10:12]

AndyCap:

pick any two. :P

[17:10:34]

** kormoc blinks **

[17:10:50]

kormoc:

it's not myth doing it...

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kormoc:

and it's something folks have done for decades...

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justinh:

mythtv brittle? heheh

[17:11:37]

** sphery tries to bend his MythTV box. **

[17:11:48]

sphery:

Yep, brittle. It just snapped in half.

[17:12:01]

AndyCap:

some people have strong bogon fields.

[17:12:03]

kormoc:

Is it peanut brittle or another type of nut brittle?

[17:12:04]

henkpoley:

justinh: well, the whole stuff around it, and that you usually need to work around assmptions by hand, and then need to keep redoing that by hand every time you update, or when the cable provider updates something

[17:12:10]

henkpoley:

justinh: I call that brittle

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** kormoc blinks **

[17:12:52]

justinh:

oh – like it doesn't read anybody's mind so it's brittle. yeah I buy that

[17:12:58]

kormoc:

So when the cable provider changes their channel line up and you have to change it to match and that's brittle? Guess there's no hope for any pvr software

[17:13:31]

kormoc:

perhaps you should just buy the cable provider's dvr if you don't want to update channel lineups

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justinh:

I mean ideally mythtv should be able to just cope with any random half-assed things broadcasters do with their streams eh

[17:13:53]

AndyCap:

ideally. :P

[17:14:14]

kormoc:

libMythBroadcasterMindReader

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henkpoley:

Hey, I'm working from my situation, and even though I like the way the interface works, for me here with Ziggo in The Netherlands I usually had to hack around some assumption built in by the devs based in the U.S. Has been the case since 2004.

[17:14:34]

Beirdo:

libmythcomcastsucks

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henkpoley:

So I don't want to add much more problem sources, thank you very much

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: these all sound like backend problems though

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kormoc:

henkpoley, erm, we have plenty of devs in Europe maintaining all the dvb stuff, so I don't see how it's the us devs causing you issues...

[17:15:35]

Beirdo:

henkpoley: well, if there are problems, document em? There are enough people around to hopefully help

[17:15:36]

justinh:

henkpoley: some assumption being they work from the actual DVB specs

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kormoc:

and again, dual head X is X, not myth...

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henkpoley:

kormoc: back before DVB

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** kormoc blinks **

[17:15:56]

kormoc:

so like a decade ago?

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henkpoley:

kormoc: yes 2010–2004 = 10

[17:16:13]

kormoc:

erm

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justinh:

dvb has been around since long before 2004

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justinh:

or do you mean before mythtv got dvb support?

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AndyCap:

giving broadcasters plenty of time to balkanize it

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kormoc:

henkpoley, digging up issues from 2004 and complaining about them now seems worthless

[17:17:37]

henkpoley:

Anyways, I was just asking for a cheapish barebone system, I'll figure all the rest out by myself.

[17:17:39]

henkpoley:

aka, something with a nice GPU that does all the heavy lifting

[17:18:13]

henkpoley:

kormoc: AAC is currently broken (not that I want to discuss this)

[17:18:22]

kormoc:

it's not for me

[17:18:38]

kormoc:

perhaps you just compiled it wrong

[17:18:40]

kormoc:

anyway

[17:19:08]

kormoc:

the ions aren't that cheap, $475 for a ion + optical minimum that I've found

[17:19:08]

justinh:

maybe isn't broke in trunk

[17:19:19]

justinh:

since jya merged his hdaudio branch :)

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sphery:

I know exactly what I'd buy for a cheap frontend system

[17:19:54]

henkpoley:

yes, trunk has this fixed about last month, I don't run trunk though. (I want keep my system stable)

[17:19:57]

kormoc:

justinh, aac requires a extra lib that is a bit hard to get right at times

[17:20:08]

justinh:

libfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

[17:20:29]

kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

and it would have a real processor. (mobo, processor, RAM for $150--and it would be a compute-capable processor) I don't know for sure which VDPAU-capable nvidia GPU I'd get, but it would likely be based mostly on price

[17:20:30]

henkpoley:

justinh: that's the bananananana problem ?

[17:20:34]

justinh:

some of my own dvd rips have aac audio. blech

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Beirdo:

sphery: you hater ;)

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sphery:

justinh: that's just a fad, it will be over soon

[17:21:12]

sphery:

Beirdo: and I fully admit it!

[17:21:13]

Beirdo:

yeah, I want a 16-core box to do my commflag

[17:21:34]

sphery:

I'd go with dual-core... Sweet spot for money and power usage

[17:21:48]

sphery:

but if you want to pay my power bills...

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kormoc:

the extra $4 a year? :P

[17:22:14]

justinh:

since you can get a dual core intel 2.8 ghz thing for under Â£80 these days

[17:22:17]

Beirdo:

4xquad-core :)

[17:22:22]

Beirdo:

muhahahah

[17:22:26]

justinh:

will somebody think of the trees?! :-O

[17:22:35]

Beirdo:

oooh. 4 x 6-core

[17:22:54]

henkpoley:

I don't need a CPU, I need a complete system :P

[17:22:59]

kormoc:

my mac pro idles at 155W and goes to max of 318W

[17:23:02]

Beirdo:

at least I wouldn't need to turn on a heater in the sinter

[17:23:04]

kormoc:

that's more then I thought

[17:23:17]

justinh:

hohohohoho. and I thought the #mythtv hashtag was being abused by idiot twitterings. try searching on #xbmc lol

[17:23:19]

kormoc:

idle is 528 BTU and max is 1085 BTU

[17:23:25]

sphery:

kormoc: that $4 could be me a ... well, they might still have things to buy for $4

[17:23:32]

kormoc:

heh

[17:23:35]

kormoc:

save up for a few years

[17:23:40]

sphery:

s/be/buy/

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Beirdo:

sphery: a tall latte?

[17:23:47]

sphery:

heh

[17:23:55]

justinh:

after like 100 years you could buy a mac mini!

[17:24:00]

sphery:

Beirdo: probably only if it's a McCafe (not Starbucks :)

[17:24:12]

** Beirdo McFarts **

[17:24:16]

Beirdo:

sorry

[17:24:19]

Beirdo:

ahem

[17:24:21]

AndyCap:

justinh: they have a twitter plugin?

[17:24:26]

kormoc:

McRibs for dinner?

[17:24:40]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:24:46]

dustybin:

im totally impressed with my mythtv frontend joggler multi media alarm clock

[17:24:50]

Beirdo:

I haven't been to McDonalds in soooo long

[17:25:03]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: keep it up. :)

[17:25:13]

justinh:

AndyCap: prolly

[17:25:19]

Beirdo:

the only thing I will buy there is breakfast

[17:25:26]

Beirdo:

and there's so many better places even then

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AndyCap:

since it seems to be a list of what three guys are watching

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AndyCap:

ah, the McCardiacArrest

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Beirdo:

aye

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kormoc:

Mmm... Egg McMuffins + Hashbrowns

[17:26:08]

Beirdo:

Mmmmm

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dustybin:

McGluten

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Beirdo:

there

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: there is a ticket that was fixed regarding exactly that

[17:40:51]

iamlindoro:

Fixed only in trunk

[17:41:13]

Beirdo:

shhh

[17:41:15]

Beirdo:

:)

[17:41:25]

Beirdo:

there you go bursting my bubble

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kormoc:

Won't somebody think of the bubbles?

[17:42:04]

iamlindoro:

In that case, I saw nothing, I know nothing ;)

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Beirdo:

but still. wankers.

[17:43:27]

Beirdo:

they can report the bug, you can close it as a dupe :)

[17:43:28]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[17:43:56]

Beirdo:

and if they don't send me the client information I requested, I'm less inclined to bother to try to fix their crap

[17:44:53]

Beirdo:

only one response... and all the person sent was the product name

[17:45:06]

Beirdo:

didn't even bother to send the user-agent string

[17:45:19]

Beirdo:

which I even gave the commandline as to how to get it

[17:46:09]

Beirdo:

bah, now I have U2 in my head

[17:48:12]

Beirdo:

Metallica to the rescue

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iamlindoro:

So you... stillllll haven't fouuuuund... what you're looking forrrrr?

[17:51:46]

Beirdo:

fight fire with fire!

[17:51:58]

Beirdo:

listening to OLD Metallica

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** justinh doesn't know any U2 :D **

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justinh:

not since I blocked it from my mind anyway

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I like old U2... but I wanted it outta my head

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AndyCap:

Red, reed wiine,

[17:56:15]

Beirdo:

no, that's UB40, is it not?

[17:56:18]

AndyCap:

yes

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AndyCap:

just planting a seed

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** Beirdo is currently listening to Metallica – Ride the Lightning **

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Beirdo:

hard to outdo that :)

[17:57:25]

Beirdo:

too bad it ain't Mustaine playing it though... he wrote it.

[17:57:40]

Beirdo:

not much wonder I like Megadeth, I guess

[17:58:50]

Beirdo:

Oooh. That reminds me. My Megadeth concert is the day before the potential BSP for 0.24

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Beirdo:

that should be a nice weekend

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yay! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/26/3d_films/

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justinh:

doin da icons... doin da eye-conz!

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justinh:

awww. cute lickle 'rec' icon... all animamated & everyting

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henkpoley:

That's interesting MythFrontend Mac/PPC plays audio as static.. lets see if it's digital or something

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henkpoley:

Ah, audiosettings can't even setup digital vs. analog on mac

[19:29:09]

henkpoley:

Hmm, even crashes on old (0.1x?) software MPEG4 encoded recordings

[19:30:11]

kormoc:

MythFrontend on OS X x86 isn't really recommended, PCC is pretty rare to even hear people requesting

[19:30:30]

henkpoley:

kormoc: I am aware

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henkpoley:

Or is it not done to discuss even, then I'll just go

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dustybin:

would it be a good idea to stop coding new features, but instead optimize, stabilize, clean existing code instead?

[19:50:20]

henkpoley:

kormoc: sent a mail to the guy who's still autobuilding Mac/PPC, will also try to build it myself next. That will keep me busy for the next fe days.

[19:54:15]

Beirdo:

dustybin: why would it be a good time to stop coding features, pray-tell?

[19:54:25]

justinh:

dustybin: it'd be a good idea to keep your trap shut if you've never submitted a bean

[19:54:37]

** dustybin goes back into silent mode **

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Beirdo:

wow, justinh... :) You need a beer :)

[19:54:56]

justinh:

and if you're in the UK, also a good idea to stop spelling things wrongly or people who went to school & got good grades might slap you

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justinh:

well, blimmin backseat devs. there's enough of that on a certain forum

[19:55:25]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you having theming fun yet, or is life still getting in the way?

[19:56:06]

justinh:

getting all the theme fun in I can

[19:56:15]

justinh:

baby still not showing signs of dropping yet :-\

[19:56:39]

Beirdo:

well, once baby arrives, I'm sure you'll have the occasional sleepless night

[19:57:31]

justinh:

heh. then some

[19:57:49]

justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/view/XsdMmqIr.html

[19:58:46]

justinh:

decided against animated icons for things that aren't actually in progress

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Beirdo:

http://i.imgur.com/wyfwI.jpg

[20:00:37]

justinh:

anyway, regarding this argument about stopping development to concentrate on 'debugging' mythtv – does nobody even stop to think for a minute that if developers were running into the kind of bugs users report regularly – that they'd get stuck in & sort them out?!

[20:00:55]

justinh:

course they would.. and they do, when they see em

[20:00:58]

Beirdo:

there is room for an optimization effort, of course

[20:01:10]

Beirdo:

but that is happening WHILE the other stuff is being worked on

[20:01:16]

justinh:

ROFLMAO

[20:02:30]

wagnerrp:

lot of traffic on the -users list today...

[20:03:50]

Beirdo:

yay, got a second UPnP client email

[20:04:00]

Beirdo:

that makes 2 people that care

[20:05:04]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i saw a similar article about that a while back

[20:05:06]

Brad-D:

is there a quick way to clear out of the queued user jobs without deleting each one manually?

[20:05:06]

henkpoley:

Beirdo: that's about a bug or a feature in the UPnP code ?

[20:05:14]

Beirdo:

yes

[20:05:15]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:05:23]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you should respond that there are no UPnP-capable email clients

[20:05:51]

Beirdo:

I want everyone with UPnP clients they are using with mythtv to report what it is, its capabilities and downfalls, and the User Agent string

[20:06:22]

Beirdo:

going to make a matrix-like thingy on the wiki with real info in it.

[20:06:47]

Beirdo:

UPnP is a support nightmare from hell, and there's no way we can know what's out there

[20:07:50]

Beirdo:

I mean, it's a cool feature... but it has so many clients that don't interoperate well, etc

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wagnerrp:

'if i cancel my cable subscription, will i still get cable?'

[20:08:44]

Beirdo:

ummm, sure.

[20:08:53]

Beirdo:

if your cable company is RETARDED

[20:09:25]

** wagnerrp wants a bot that will automatically detect and filter stupidity on the mailing list **

[20:09:32]

Beirdo:

nice

[20:09:39]

Beirdo:

we'd have like 2 posts a week

[20:09:51]

wagnerrp:

you think im kidding?

[20:10:07]

Beirdo:

hehe. I'm only SLIGHTLY exaggerating

[20:10:10]

henkpoley:

wagnerrp: try using http://code.google.com/apis/predict/

[20:10:21]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-July/293803.html

[20:10:23]

Beirdo:

maybe 2 a day?

[20:11:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know, I saw that unpolished turd

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AndyCap:

I dunno why but that R reminded me of old school television. Like that indian head test pattern.

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Beirdo:

here comes some nuvexport fun

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xris:

Beirdo: you committing?

[20:22:28]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

with your patch merged in

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Beirdo:

i.e. I didn't rip it back out

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

if you dont 'svn up' first, it will complain

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Beirdo:

I did

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Beirdo:

of course :)

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Beirdo:

I do my development and testing with git

[20:24:02]

Beirdo:

svn up... apply patches... double-check... commit to svn

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wagnerrp:

so what is the voice actors guild going to do now that you can break the encryption on ebooks for the purposes of enabling screen readers?

[20:30:07]

wagnerrp:

more importantly, what will amazon do

[20:30:57]

wagnerrp:

the fact that they do block screen readers means there is a perfectly legal reason to write and distribute software to unlock their ebooks

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Brad-D:

hey wagnerrp, i'm playing with the VideoGrabber class, and I do this in python " season, episode = grab.searchEpisode(recProg.title, recProg.subtitle)

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wagnerrp:

i imagine its in their best interest to remove the screenreader locks

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Brad-D:

it seems to hang forever if it can't find the episode, am i doing something stupid?

[20:31:36]

wagnerrp:

this is in trunk?

[20:31:51]

Brad-D:

this is in a random python script i'm writing as a user job

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wagnerrp:

in trunk?

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Brad-D:

oh sorry, no in .23

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wagnerrp:

ah, that should work just fine in 0.23, i dont remember the syntax in trunk off hand

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wagnerrp:

it should hang no longer than it takes for a DNS timeout

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Brad-D:

yeah it seems to work perfectly if i have title and subtitle that it finds, but if it's bad data, just seems to hang

[20:33:26]

wagnerrp:

(or download timeout, if it received a DNS response)

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Brad-D:

and those timeouts would be under a minute or two?

[20:33:50]

wagnerrp:

got an example?

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Brad-D:

yeah let me whip something up with some hardcoded data that errors

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wagnerrp:

works fine here... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1908806

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Brad-D:

wierd, when i cut a bunch of stuff out of the script, so it just contained that part, it worked for me too

[20:38:20]

Brad-D:

i must be doing something silly elsewhere

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Brad-D:

thanks for the confirmation

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Brad-D:

oh wait, i see it.. stupid...

[20:39:59]

Brad-D:

when it returns "None", is that a text field? or some special null type value?

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sphery:

What? [mythtv-users] OT: Comcast local QAM – would they still send signal if I cancel?

[20:40:23]

Beirdo:

OK.

[20:40:28]

sphery:

isn't that, "Would I be able to steal service from Comcast?"

[20:41:08]

Beirdo:

or "Is Comcast so retarded that they don't actually shut off signal when you cancel?"

[20:41:30]

sphery:

no joke

[20:41:32]

Brad-D:

probably a little of both :)

[20:42:08]

sphery:

OK, so at least one person responded and mentoined all the cable theft issues

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Beirdo:

4 tickets closed

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sphery:

nice work

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Beirdo:

thanks :)

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Beirdo:

and one more from xris

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Beirdo:

nobody can say nuvexport is getting NO love anymore. So there.

[20:53:19]

sphery:

heh, the lawyers are back on the list, discussing the DMCA and how it's legal to bypass DRM on DVDs

[20:53:35]

kormoc:

oh lordy

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sphery:

(and, of course, aren't actually reading the article--or, more importantly, the actual info from the LoC)

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Beirdo:

can't we just moderate that somehow?

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kormoc:

tell them to get a ruling on it in a real court and then talk to us

[20:54:00]

Beirdo:

"topic closed."

[20:54:01]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

one of the FEW times that I think forums are kinda useful

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sphery:

thread, if you're interested in reading: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-July/293804.html (or http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . .html#293804 )

[20:56:30]

xris:

at least it seems somewhat sane

[20:56:50]

xris:

recent court/agency decisions *have* changed the playing field. but not so much for DVDs

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sphery:

well, it is based on a change

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sphery:

but, still, it's for clips--and the tools required to make those clips are still likely illegal

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xris:

yeah, and clips to be used by a VERY small number of people

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xris:

in very specific circumstances.

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Beirdo:

awww, not for youtube educational purposes?

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

I still think, though, that the article overhypes the actual changes

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sphery:

I'm sure, though, there will be a whole new class of people saying, "I'm making a clip for use in Education," or "I had to break copy protection in this video game so I could test for, investigate, and correct security flaws."

[21:05:53]

Beirdo:

"by playing the whole game... 20 times... and I needed my friends' help"

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

its a rare games that would make me even want to play twice

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Beirdo:

or even once...

[21:08:39]

wagnerrp:

well, that too

[21:09:21]

wagnerrp:

2TB samsung green for $102

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wagnerrp:

or WD green for $100

[21:09:38]

sphery:

Other than Puzzle Quest on XBox 360, I had never in my life completed a game.

[21:09:55]

Brad-D:

wagnerrp: do you know if you can use the Myth VideoGrabber object to search for an episode by name, and original air date, instead of title, subtitle?

[21:09:58]

sphery:

then they released additional content for Puzzle Quest, so now I've never completed any.

[21:10:22]

wagnerrp:

Brad-D: it only supports what the grabbers themselves support, so no

[21:10:47]

wagnerrp:

you could hook into the tvdb_api itself, and probably pull that data

[21:10:52]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the shell shocker? that one's expired

[21:10:58]

wagnerrp:

RDV would know more about that

[21:11:01]

sphery:

(the $99.99 WD Green)

[21:11:11]

wagnerrp:

no it hasnt

[21:11:20]

Brad-D:

thanks

[21:11:33]

sphery:

Available from 10:00AM – 12:59PM PT 07/26/10

[21:11:53]

wagnerrp:

then their website has not yet updated to match

[21:12:00]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx , now Rosewill RNX-N4PS 802.11 b/g/n

[21:12:10]

sphery:

or your web cache hasn't?

[21:12:35]

sphery:

or maybe you're saying the product page has that same price?

[21:12:41]

wagnerrp:

$99.99 in my logged-in shopping cart

[21:13:15]

sphery:

huh, if it's like the last thing I bought from them, the discount will disappear when you actually purchase

[21:13:33]

sphery:

You're right, though, the product page still has the price

[21:13:34]

wagnerrp:

how many do i want....

[21:13:37]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514

[21:13:51]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, 3

[21:13:56]

wagnerrp:

i really only have the port space for one

[21:13:57]

sphery:

heh

[21:14:11]

wagnerrp:

although i could replace my recording drives

[21:14:13]

sphery:

yeah, but when you remove those 500GB drives...

[21:14:20]

sidh:

Greetings

[21:14:41]

sphery:

and salutations

[21:14:50]

wagnerrp:

so tempting...

[21:15:16]

sphery:

I got one just recently, but then it didn't work with my old PCI SATA board

[21:15:42]

sidh:

configuring my iMON pad under mythbuntu is really a nightmare and i'm thinking of buying a recognized remote for my htpc, i found a cheap one called Popcorn Hour IRK-200, do you know if it is well recognized ?

[21:15:54]

** kormoc eyes 3x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136579 **

[21:16:17]

wagnerrp:

so pricey

[21:16:38]

kormoc:

worth it

[21:16:46]

sphery:

so now my master backend has 5.75TB and my remote backend has 4.25--making a lop-sided MythTV system

[21:16:51]

Beirdo:

kormoc: WD black!? you really wanna heat the place :)

[21:17:09]

kormoc:

Beirdo, I only run blacks/RE#s

[21:17:28]

Beirdo:

k :)

[21:17:29]

kormoc:

what's the point in storing data if it's slow to access?

[21:17:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but think how quickly he could write that 15Mbps data...

[21:18:09]

sphery:

He'll finish recording a 1hr show in a little over 3min

[21:18:20]

kormoc:

Beirdo, I currently have 9 1tb wd blacks, and 8 500 gb blacks.... although only 4 of the 1tbs are in use

[21:18:21]

sphery:

(then post spoilers here...)

[21:18:38]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, this is for my desktop, my recording is on usb enclosures :P

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sphery:

ah, yeah, makes much more sense for a desktop

[21:18:57]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i dare say my SATA connected Greens will beat your USB connected Blacks

[21:19:05]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:19:28]

sidh:

does someone knws a well recognized remote for mythtv please ?

[21:19:39]

kormoc:

sidh, mceusb

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sphery:

that seems to have the lion's share

[21:20:29]

high-rez:

kormoc: Wouldn't be better just to get a nice raid card and the cheaper drives? :)

[21:21:01]

high-rez:

My card has 1gig of cache (with a batter backup for the memory) and its massively speedy even with cheaper drives.

[21:21:23]

kormoc:

high-rez, nah, I only have room for 4 drives in the pro, 1 is my bootcamp and so I just mirror the other three. I'm on 1tb wd blacks now, and I'm out of disk space, hence the jump to two tb

[21:21:33]

sphery:

ok, wol is great and all, but until I can use wol /and/ select which OS to boot, I'll still have to get up and walk in to the computer every once in a while

[21:21:49]

AndyCap:

sphery: pxeboot + chain.c32?

[21:22:18]

high-rez:

Ahh mac.

[21:22:43]

kormoc:

meh

[21:22:52]

kormoc:

it's a beast of a machine

[21:23:03]

Beirdo:

kormoc: you went with a NAS box?

[21:23:04]

kormoc:

especially given it's almost 3 years old now

[21:23:08]

kormoc:

Beirdo, no?

[21:23:14]

Beirdo:

ah, k

[21:23:25]

Beirdo:

I'm kinda considering that idea

[21:23:31]

clever:

sphery: i was thinking of using a network build of grub and storing its config on the network so i can 'remotely' edit the config

[21:23:39]

sphery:

AndyCap: and you'd be able to specify which os to boot?

[21:23:50]

sphery:

clever: heh, that's kind of cool

[21:23:54]

clever:

but i guess a chainloader (that what chain.c32 looks like) from pxelinux would also work

[21:23:58]

kormoc:

Beirdo, I don't trust any device I don't have raw access to

[21:24:02]

AndyCap:

sphery: with a mac or ip specific pxelinux.cfg

[21:24:11]

clever:

just edit the default in the pxelinux config so it either runs a kernel or chainloads the native os

[21:24:11]

sphery:

oh

[21:24:16]

Beirdo:

kormoc: fair enough, although many of those do run linux :)

[21:24:37]

AndyCap:

sphery: if you use gpxelinux you could even serve it up over http via php or something

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clever:

pxelinux reads a file over tftp, which you could either mod before sending WOL, or just have a 'fake' tftp server in php itself

[21:25:29]

sphery:

one day I may actually get to the point where I never have to leave this computer's screen

[21:25:50]

AndyCap:

clever: gpxelinux does http. ;) (and iscsi and AoE)

[21:25:54]

clever:

yeah, ive got things setup well enough that i can do everything from one laptop, except turning a system on

[21:26:05]

clever:

AndyCap: that makes some things simpler

[21:26:35]

clever:

i'm not sure what a network build of grub can do, never got it to build with the right network drivers

[21:26:48]

sphery:

So far the best I've been able to do is to wol the system, connect to it, edit the grub default, then reboot... kind of annoying and wasteful.

[21:27:04]

clever:

yeah, same for my dual boot

[21:27:06]

sphery:

so I may have to look into something like that

[21:27:09]

clever:

i had installed ubuntu localy

[21:27:18]

clever:

and i dont want to remove grub for fear of breaking windows booting

[21:27:24]

clever:

and the bios cant network boot on its own

[21:27:25]

sphery:

heh

[21:27:33]

clever:

so i stuck a copy of the netboot kernel on the tiny /boot partition

[21:27:39]

kormoc:

why not VM the box?

[21:27:49]

sphery:

yeah, mine is actually 2 GNU/Linux installs (MythTV dev box and non-MythTV dev box)

[21:27:54]

clever:

grub loads it from the local drive, and then it has nfs&dhcp inside linux

[21:27:58]

clever:

kormoc: i was using it to host the framegrabber

[21:28:04]

clever:

and it was my dads gaming rig

[21:28:17]

clever:

and it had an ati video card, so all video under linux sucked

[21:28:24]

clever:

no way to vm that mess into one OS

[21:28:54]

clever:

and did i mention the sound card can only capture if i configure it to play the linein out the lineout?

[21:29:02]

clever:

and the mute the master out so i can actualy hear myself

[21:29:27]

clever:

and something was horidly wrong with the soundcard capture too, the quality was horid

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clever:

ive given up trying to even use it for capture

[21:30:15]

clever:

what was that image?, every time you use a framegrabber, kormoc kills a kitten?

[21:30:57]

AndyCap:

domo-kun?

[21:31:04]

sphery:

heh, probably good that you've retired it

[21:31:31]

clever:

it was the simplest way to solve some of the conflicts i had, inserting a 2nd card into the mix

[21:31:54]

clever:

now i just record less

[21:31:57]

AndyCap:

I hate the new google image search

[21:32:25]

sphery:

I've been meaning to check that out

[21:32:47]

sphery:

what's new in it?

[21:32:59]

sphery:

the left-nav stuff?

[21:33:09]

clever:

when i converted the dual ubuntu/winxp system back to mostly xp

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clever:

i turned swap into a fat32 /boot to keep xp working

[21:33:37]

clever:

and then resized the ntfs to retake the ext space

[21:34:09]

AndyCap:

evil javascript stuff, breaking my back button, requiring some noname site named gstatic.com to work at all beyond the first page

[21:34:19]

sphery:

oh

[21:34:42]

AndyCap:

packing all the images together so you have trouble telling them apart

[21:34:47]

sphery:

so it's the javascript that broke the (fire)fox's back

[21:34:52]

sphery:

seems to work for me

[21:35:13]

sphery:

but I may not be testing properly

[21:35:14]

kormoc:

other then the density issue, I like it

[21:35:16]

clever:

thats one thing chrome does better, it has some safetys to protect against js hijacks

[21:36:05]

AndyCap:

and then there's some weird googledocs like hijack if you click on an image

[21:36:07]

sphery:

ooh, APOD RSS

[21:36:19]

sphery:

( http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ )

[21:36:26]

sphery:

RSS lnk at bottom

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clever:

AndyCap: i'm refering to the rick-roll sites that alert() every line in the song in an inf loop

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clever:

while playing the music

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AndyCap:

oh, and I can't tell which image I'm on when using the keyboard anymore

[21:36:47]

clever:

after a couple alerts chrome will ask you if you need help

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sphery:

AndyCap: Keyboard? You can't use a keyboard on the Web... Crazy guy.

[21:37:35]

clever:

and that brings up my latest problem

[21:37:36]

AndyCap:

sphery: well, not anymore if this ***** crap continues

[21:37:47]

clever:

i couldnt use the usb keyboard to install the wireless drivers under winblows

[21:37:58]

clever:

because the usb keyboard didnt install yet, and was waiting on the wireless driver UI

[21:38:00]

sphery:

***** = Web 2

[21:38:05]

clever:

chicken in the egg

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AndyCap:

hmm, 22gigabytes of 720p mp4

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AndyCap:

wonder if I could have that running in the background.

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justinh:

gah now my frontend won't do exit & shutdown

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Beirdo:

only 22GB?

[21:48:44]

kormoc:

Beirdo, it's a single episode of Opera

[21:49:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:49:40]

Beirdo:

OMG. mplayer vs mythtv... again

[21:49:43]

AndyCap:

7 hour train ride. :)

[21:49:58]

Beirdo:

can someone PLEASE educate these people on how to read documentation and configure?

[21:50:14]

** kormoc gives Beirdo a teaching degree and a ruler **

[21:50:18]

kormoc:

Go forth and educate

[21:50:26]

justinh:

yay got it. wonder how the heck that changed

[21:50:39]

Beirdo:

got a baseball bat wrapped with barbed wire?

[21:50:52]

justinh:

prolly yet more cotton wool packages wrap around users

[21:51:39]

justinh:

Beirdo: you should see the stupid emails I get sent regarding the dog training club I run a website for. they ask stuff which is on the very first page

[21:52:05]

Beirdo:

twirl the bat... WHACK!

[21:52:17]

justinh:

and today, 2 emails asking if the club is open this week when it says – right at the top of the page in big red letters – CLOSED this week

[21:52:31]

sphery:

justinh: you likely need to make the shutdown and reboot commands completely blank

[21:52:46]

Beirdo:

reply back. "Yes, but it has been relocated to the jail, trespasser!"

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kormoc:

justinh, gotta make it blink

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justinh:

I just edited sudoers to make halt passwordless & added sudo to the shutdown command

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justinh:

it worked fine before I dumped the packages. nothing changed except me building from source

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justinh:

2 minute fix, so I'm not bothered, and making halt passwordless won't harm anything on that box

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sphery:

I thought you had the dbus shutdown issue

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justinh:

heh I hope not

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justinh:

I'm not man enough to tackle something like that

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justinh:

by the sound of it. dbus... shudder

[21:57:01]

AndyCap:

get on d bus!

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Beirdo:

back of dbus

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AndyCap:

d short bus

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justinh:

hmmm buses. reminds me of when I used to debug fault tolerant computers to earn a crust

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sphery:

there, dbus shutdown issue is fixed in trunk

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iolaus:

Hey all, is anyone here successfully using a Win32 MythTV front-end?

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wagnerrp:

iolaus: i have used it, but im not sure i would consider it successful

[23:19:28]

wagnerrp:

ive never actually managed to compile it, ive only used some 3rd party binaries

[23:19:52]

iolaus:

were there considerable issues?

[23:20:03]

wagnerrp:

stability

[23:20:47]

iolaus:

Bummer. Maybe I'll just wait for .24, the changelog makes it sound like there are some significant Win32 updates

[23:21:15]

wagnerrp:

if you say so

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iolaus:

maybe not, I'm not all that familiar... just going by what I saw on the changelog wiki

[23:22:49]

iolaus:

Maybe I'll just have to bite the bullet and do a linux install. I haven't had good luck getting the picture quality I'm used to with FFDShow on past attempts.

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wagnerrp:

regardless of patches, i wouldnt consider windows to be a primary platform

[23:25:05]

iolaus:

good to know, thanks for the info

[23:25:07]

wagnerrp:

and i dont expect that to change any time soon

[23:25:36]

wagnerrp:

commits are only ever tested under linux

[23:25:50]

wagnerrp:

and then they get patched later to fix other platforms if someone notices

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Beirdo:

after we have a build bot... we might be able to at least make sure it will compile under Windows

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