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| [00:05:02] | Beirdo2: | Argh. Wireless at the hotel is hosed |
| [00:05:39] | Beirdo2: | They insist its my computer. Tried it on two computers plus my iPhone. |
| [00:08:32] | Beirdo2: | Stupid dhcp server is unreachable |
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| [00:29:05] | Beirdo2: | Aflac! |
| [00:32:01] | wagnerrp: | hearing talking ducks now? |
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| [00:38:13] | Beirdo2: | Heh. Isn't it a goose? |
| [00:38:26] | Beirdo2: | Whatever. Yummy. |
| [00:39:22] | Beirdo2: | Why can't these fools just power cycle the access point? |
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| [00:40:49] | Beirdo2: | Omg they just did |
| [00:44:49] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [00:47:45] | Beirdo: | silly people telling me it's my computer |
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| [00:59:52] | hoosiers_83: | comment/question :) why am i going through mysql and passwords when i have one machine and no need for it? i can't get even through setup without going crazy |
| [01:00:41] | Beirdo: | how does only having one machine mean you don't need a database? |
| [01:02:30] | hoosiers_83: | whats the point of mysql, passwords, etc. shouldnt that be secondary? i sit right here. i just want tv, not remote anything |
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| [01:03:42] | Beirdo: | mysql is a database. |
| [01:03:52] | Beirdo: | mythtv has a LOT of data to wrangle |
| [01:04:03] | Beirdo: | doing that withough a database is just not going to happen |
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| [01:04:35] | Beirdo: | if you want "just tv", pick up your tv's remote, and go nuts |
| [01:04:42] | Pwen: | hi all, quick question I hope: how do I permanently disable the upnp server of mythtv? |
| [01:04:49] | Beirdo: | if you want a PVR, you need what the PVR software requires |
| [01:04:59] | Beirdo: | Pwen: ummm, you don't? |
| [01:05:42] | Pwen: | Beirdo: I have another upnp server serving the same content on my htpc. I wish to disable the mythtv upnp server to avoid confusion with people who dont know the difference. is this not possible? |
| [01:05:59] | Pwen: | one transcodes on the fly for dumb devices like xboxes, the mythtv one does not |
| [01:06:08] | Beirdo: | not that I know of |
| [01:06:56] | Pwen: | I have read that you can add --disable-upnp as an argument to the mythbackend command, but if I change the upstart script it'll probably get changed back next update ... maybe an entry in a configuration file somewhere? :( |
| [01:07:13] | Beirdo: | ah, I guess you COULD do that :) |
| [01:07:36] | Beirdo: | that sounds like a question for your packagers |
| [01:07:45] | Beirdo: | #mythbuntu by the sounds of it. |
| [01:07:45] | Pwen: | true |
| [01:09:14] | Beirdo: | I hate upstart. Grrr |
| [01:09:34] | Beirdo: | the #1 reason I don't have my IPv6 tunnel running at home right now |
| [01:10:14] | Pwen: | mine hasn't actually worked |
| [01:10:30] | Pwen: | and the init.d script is broken as well. so I always have to manually start the backend. good thing I dont reboot often. |
| [01:10:42] | wagnerrp: | /me asks a question, and the leaves before anyone has a chance to answer |
| [01:10:54] | Beirdo: | well, for me... aiccu is started by an /etc/init.d script, and upstart is stupidly running it BEFORE enabling the network |
| [01:11:23] | Pwen: | what do you use your ipv6 tunnel for, just accessing the v6-enabled part of your ISPs network? |
| [01:11:30] | ** Beirdo pokes wagnerrp with a pointy stick ** | |
| [01:11:33] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [01:11:38] | Beirdo: | the opposite |
| [01:11:46] | Beirdo: | my network is IPv6 |
| [01:11:57] | Pwen: | cool |
| [01:12:01] | Beirdo: | and I use the tunnel to bypass IPv4 NAT |
| [01:13:08] | Pwen: | I still have XP machines on my network, so no v6 for me. but tbh I probably wouldnt bother anyway. :p |
| [01:13:22] | Beirdo: | XP can do v6 no problem |
| [01:14:04] | ** Beirdo is using an IPv6 tunnel right now from XP to connect via ssh ** | |
| [01:14:59] | Pwen: | I was under the impression xp didnt do v6 |
| [01:15:02] | Pwen: | thats pretty cool |
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| [01:16:43] | miststlkr: | I am changing out some hardware and figure it is as good of a time as any to go for a fresh install. what should I back up in order to minimize my work later? Specifically, is it possible to backup the mythvideo database so I don't have to re-download all of the metadata? |
| [01:19:56] | Beirdo: | Pwen: just have to enable it, pretty much |
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| [01:24:47] | Pwen: | miststlkr: I think it's all kept in your /var/lib/mythtv folder ? |
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| [01:25:33] | miststlkr: | pwen: thanks. I'll have a look. I should be able to just copy all of that over to a new drive,reinstall and copy it back you think? |
| [01:26:05] | Beirdo: | you also want a database dump |
| [01:26:16] | Pwen: | that's how I'd do it, but I think you should investigate it a bit first, I am not 100% sure :) |
| [01:26:57] | miststlkr: | pwen: in the end, all I lose is the time to redownload the metadata.... as much of a PITA that is to do, it wouldn't be the end of the world... I would just rather skip that hassel if I can, you know.. |
| [01:27:08] | miststlkr: | beirdo: how so? |
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| [01:59:37] | miststlkr: | mythvideo stopped working a little while back and i think it is a permissions issue, could someone tell me what the owner/group should be for the video files please? |
| [02:08:44] | Beirdo: | whatever user/group you run myth as |
| [02:10:28] | miststlkr: | beirdo, thanks again. answer too obvious to think up on my own I guess :-P |
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| [02:11:47] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:12:31] | miststlkr: | last I looked they were owned by samba somehow |
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| [03:58:33] | achew22: | Are there any stumbling blocks to buying ATI video cards? |
| [03:59:10] | wagnerrp: | the drivers |
| [03:59:22] | achew22: | Screw that, what is the best way to get HDMI with sound to the TV? NVIDIA? ATI? |
| [03:59:50] | wagnerrp: | nvidia motherboard (8 or 9 series) or nvidia graphics gt2xx series |
| [04:01:34] | achew22: | thanks I'll go look at those |
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| [05:25:51] | rileypv: | can anyone help me provide access to mysql for mypodcaster |
| [05:26:28] | rileypv: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MySQL |
| [05:26:48] | rileypv: | is it just a matter of grant all priviliges |
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| [05:43:44] | wagnerrp: | everything in mysql is just a matter of grant priviliges |
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| [06:02:43] | rileypv: | It fixed it |
| [06:03:28] | rileypv: | now mythpodcaster's web page is working and I can subscribe to recordings.... |
| [06:04:15] | rileypv: | That was hard work.. now to see if it will actually transcode anfd downlaod them |
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| [09:03:28] | gbee: | why is it that every single ticking bomb scene in films/tv shows the timer stopping when they cut the wire ... sure cutting the wire which carries the charge to the detonator would stop the explosion or you might cut the power to the timer, but it wouldn't ever cause the timing device to freeze at "0:02" |
| [09:10:15] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:10:44] | justinh: | I've always pondered that one – and then think to myself.. I'd be on a budget... so why even bother with the timer display at all? ;-) |
| [09:12:22] | justinh: | also, to stop the timer they'd surely have to cut the 'clock' signal wire.. and if it's electronic logic like TTL it'd be a really bad idea to leave an input floating like that :D |
| [09:13:28] | justinh: | so, my device would have no display.. and I'd make darn sure all the wires are a) the same colour and b) potted in some sort of epoxy so they can't be got at |
| [09:20:34] | gbee: | sadly few of these bombs show more than one circuit which might give credence to the signal wire theory, 9 times out of ten there's just a sealed box representing the 'timer' and wires running to the detonators/explosive (they sometimes don't bother with detonators) |
| [09:21:34] | gbee: | and yes, if their intent is to blow things up, why bother with a display at all, that's the least likely bit of it all |
| [09:22:13] | justinh: | maybe, just maybe.. the 'bomb' is only a certain kind of device. I'd call it a plot device ;) |
| [09:23:03] | gbee: | I think the idea of the display comes from the old bombs triggered with mechanical alarm clocks, some bright spark decided that those clocks should become digital for the modern era but ignoring the fatal flaw in that logic |
| [09:23:30] | justinh: | ahh the language of film :) |
| [09:25:36] | justinh: | bet you're not a big fan of Dr Who then... a show chock full of Deus Ex Machine |
| [09:26:05] | gbee: | hey, I don't ask films to be 100% accurate, but repeating the same tired old phallacy .... I'll let them have the display, just stop showing it freezing and maybe stop with the crap about cutting the right wire, when yanking the detonator from the stick of dynamite is a no-brainer |
| [09:26:53] | justinh: | I remember seeing something on telly where somebody 'rewired' a bug to receive. My kid logic decided I could turn a radio into a transmitter a similar way lol |
| [09:27:38] | clever: | gbee: they could always put 5 blasting caps in it and maybe some kind of trip wire to blow em all if you yank one |
| [09:27:41] | gbee: | justinh: I'm just a little tired of it now, especially when others are making an effort to be more realistic and proving it can still be entertaining :) |
| [09:27:54] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:28:39] | justinh: | I've seen a good few dissections of films online where they take the stance of seeing what'd happen if the film obeyed traditional physical laws |
| [09:29:11] | gbee: | justinh: I've seen one like that where they somehow turned a _remote_ receiver into a transmitter |
| [09:29:31] | justinh: | anyway gbee, those are the things you've noticed – god only knows what they manage to get past us |
| [09:29:45] | clever: | gbee: that kind of crap would only ever be posible if it was a transciever and had a hackable flaw in the receive software |
| [09:30:28] | justinh: | methinks if we're thinking about this stuff when we're watching something.. then maybe the suspension of disbelief spell hasn't worked too well |
| [09:33:30] | justinh: | gotta draw the line somewhere. my wife's always being narked when she sees unconnected locations being seamlessly sewn together |
| [09:34:06] | justinh: | when I say narked.. I mean she really goes off on one |
| [09:35:10] | gbee: | like American films which show someone driving through London and out into the countryside of the Scottish highlands (yes, seen that one before now) |
| [09:35:30] | justinh: | that kind of thing yeah |
| [09:36:33] | justinh: | always reminds me about an episode of Byker Grove where the kids get the Metro train to a recording studio near my home town. Some 15 miles from the nearest Metro station. Heh |
| [09:38:00] | gbee: | and whenever I see people driving in London, they somehow manage to avoid driving through the miles of Greater London suburbs, avoiding any sort of jams or queues and magically appear in the City of London or Westminster |
| [09:38:50] | bjd: | :p |
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| [09:54:49] | justinh: | tv & films can be boring enough without having everything real-time :) |
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| [12:57:20] | justinh: | oh good grief. editing schedule-ui.xml has made me lose the will to live |
| [13:04:45] | justinh: | think I'm a gonna have to put a key on some screens to say what these icons mean |
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| [13:21:00] | justinh: | hmm. shouldn't 'recordingstatus' show what the er.. recording status of a show is? I've got a green circle against the recording so I'd assume it should say '$whatever record' |
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| [13:23:05] | justinh: | aha. should be rectypestatus or someting, dunno where I got this xml from |
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| [13:40:44] | Zathras: | hi. googlemovies.pl as grabber works fine from commandline as user mythtv (the user which run mythfrontend on my system), however mythmovies itself does not show a theather or movie. What can be the cause please? |
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| [13:55:12] | justinh: | have you checked that the script produces valid xml? |
| [13:56:01] | justinh: | I gave up trying to maintain it. we need a good source of data that a script doesn't invalidate the T&Cs of like googlemovies.pl does |
| [13:57:01] | justinh: | scraping pages sucks |
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| [14:19:01] | Zath: | justinh, xml itselfs looks ok |
| [14:20:26] | Zath: | http://github.com/Jonty/Googlemovies |
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| [14:29:59] | justinh: | sure you've put the full path to the script in the settings field & set the parameter properly? |
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| [14:32:12] | justinh: | me, I didn't bother setting them separately – I just used to put the whole command in |
| [14:35:08] | gbee: | can't wait for the day when laptop/netbook manufacturers settle on a single, cheap battery design, battery in my netbook is failing and until now I didn't really consider that a netbook without a battery is worthless |
| [14:35:47] | wagnerrp: | why would they ever do that, when custom designs drive up prices |
| [14:36:17] | clever: | gbee: dell cant even decide on one style for the main and backup batterys |
| [14:36:21] | justinh: | a netbook without a battery is a Joggler :P |
| [14:36:30] | justinh: | oh wait. useless. same thing :D |
| [14:36:33] | clever: | gbee: the spare that goes into the cdrom bay doesnt match the main (anymore) |
| [14:36:52] | wagnerrp: | at least IBM had standardized secondary batteries |
| [14:37:28] | gbee: | replacing the battery will cost £££, if I opt for the six-cell that's half the price I paid for the netbook itself, and what for? A new battery that can only be used on a netbook which is already outdated ... |
| [14:37:30] | clever: | with my oldest dell, it was 2 identical battery bays in the front (one slightly deeper with an IDE bus for the cdrom) |
| [14:37:35] | wagnerrp: | their expansion bays all used a single design, so you could share batteries, optical drives, keypads, hard drive caddies, etc... between a few dozen models |
| [14:37:45] | clever: | everything since then has gone with 2 different battery styles at once! |
| [14:37:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: only the 2 newest models, the oldest isnt compatible |
| [14:39:00] | gbee: | but netbook prices have risen 50% or more and a new one is only going to last the same amount of time, whatever I decide, I feel like I'm getting screwed |
| [14:40:32] | gbee: | even tempted me to look at the iPad, but I came to my senses thankfully |
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| [14:48:16] | wagnerrp: | gbee: would it be difficult to add extensions to the wiki? |
| [14:48:28] | Zath: | justinh, just used %z as a parameter as descibed by by the install text of the script. Even tried it with direct paramter of locatation instead of %z |
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| [14:48:42] | gbee: | wagnerrp: shouldn't be |
| [14:49:07] | gbee: | the captcha plugin was simple enough to install |
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| [14:49:29] | ** wagnerrp is maneuvering to get http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extensions:ParserFunctions installed ** | |
| [14:49:41] | Zath: | fyi: these guys give european info. Even in XML to download. |
| [14:49:46] | Zath: | http://gratisweerdata.buienradar.nl/ |
| [14:49:52] | Zath: | free weather data |
| [14:50:45] | justinh: | yeah but free doesn't necessarily mean data we can use |
| [14:52:18] | wagnerrp: | and being limited to the netherlands, theres no real motivation for people that dont live there to write a grabber script for it |
| [14:52:27] | justinh: | yahoo, google & msn all offer 'free' data too |
| [14:54:01] | Zath: | iirc they offer more than just the netherlands. |
| [14:54:12] | Zath: | to translate the first fine lines: This page gives you some options for free (for companies and individuals), weather and traffic on your website or intranet. Build Buienradar.nl Got a great idea please contact us. |
| [14:54:55] | wagnerrp: | their main page shows some larger images displaying much of europe |
| [14:55:05] | Zath: | being lazy I used GoogleTranslate instead of manual translation. |
| [14:55:09] | wagnerrp: | their free weather page only seems to show the same radar view centered on the netherlands |
| [14:55:21] | Zath: | ah. ok. sorry for that |
| [14:55:41] | Zath: | but when contacted they might supply the extra info desired |
| [14:56:07] | wagnerrp: | im just speaking off the demo images they show |
| [14:56:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont speak dutch to know what they actually provide |
| [14:56:38] | Zath: | justinh, on the topic of mythmove: full path was specified |
| [14:56:45] | Zath: | wagnerrp, I can translate ;-) |
| [14:56:53] | wagnerrp: | didnt mythmovie get dropped? |
| [14:58:12] | Zath: | btw: the have an open invitation: if you have got a nice idea to please contact us |
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| [14:58:36] | wagnerrp: | any good at programming? |
| [14:59:10] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeather_Grabber_Script_Format |
| [14:59:50] | justinh: | though mythflix was the one that got droped |
| [14:59:53] | justinh: | *dropped |
| [15:00:24] | wagnerrp: | the mythmovies data provider stopped providing data at some point |
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| [15:00:49] | Zath: | google seems to provide info to large parts of the world |
| [15:01:13] | Zath: | wagnerrp, I can program, but have to little time. Sorry about that |
| [15:01:32] | Zath: | *too |
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| [15:02:19] | Zath: | would not be too surprised though if these guys would not be willing to write their own grabber |
| [15:02:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mythmovies is gone from trunk |
| [15:03:35] | Zath: | pitty |
| [15:04:00] | wagnerrp: | here we go... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24939 |
| [15:04:51] | wagnerrp: | i think it was determined no one wanted to maintain it for the new UI, the primary data provider had become unreliable, and the same capability could be provided by a single bookmark in mythbrowser |
| [15:05:51] | Zath: | true. |
| [15:06:26] | Zath: | on that subject. last night I configured mythbrowser and added www.nu.nl as a bookmark. It showed fine |
| [15:06:35] | Zath: | today however the same site crashes |
| [15:07:06] | Zath: | as it is a news-site it is updated regulary and shows ads |
| [15:07:19] | Zath: | anyway: the internal browser crashed on it |
| [15:07:47] | Zath: | causing X11 to crash even |
| [15:10:13] | wagnerrp: | impressive |
| [15:10:19] | Zath: | btw: the argument used that mythbrowser can supply the info presented by mythmovie can also be used to abandon mythnews, mythweather and maybe others |
| [15:10:47] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a problem with the flash player |
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| [15:11:17] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, mythnews and mythnetvision are basically special frontends for loading mythbrowser |
| [15:11:34] | Zath: | could be. Never had this issues on this site with firefox, epiphany etc |
| [15:12:29] | Zath: | yet, not sure which flashplayer is installed on this machine so I might have jumped to conclusions there |
| [15:14:17] | wagnerrp: | nearly all of the instability problems ive ever heard of in mythbrowser (or any mainstream browser for that matter) tend to come from 3rd party plugins |
| [15:14:30] | wagnerrp: | and the flash player seems to be a primary contributor to that instability |
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| [15:33:15] | justinh: | mythmovies gone from trunk now too? bah |
| [15:34:32] | gbee: | the only official grabber stopped working and no-one stepped up to maintain it |
| [15:35:30] | gbee: | this is the new MythTV, where we don't leave dead plugins to slowly rot |
| [15:36:11] | wagnerrp: | im sure the new UI code had something to do with that |
| [15:36:58] | wagnerrp: | anyone want to update for the new UI? nope? DELETE! |
| [15:38:16] | gbee: | mythmovies was ported to mythui months ago |
| [15:38:40] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought all the stuff with the old look still used the old QT code |
| [15:38:57] | wagnerrp: | or is that just a handful of the settings pages? |
| [15:39:21] | gbee: | nah, some of it was just made to look identical to the original for some reason |
| [15:40:56] | Zath: | flash is ultimate evil. Also in cpu hogging. Let's hope that html5 will make it extinct |
| [15:41:28] | wagnerrp: | html5 will never replace flash, because html5 does not duplicate flash's capabilities |
| [15:42:09] | Zath: | I thought that html5 and flash abolishment was part of the discussion apple is having? |
| [15:42:24] | wagnerrp: | html5 can provide conditional access to content through logins and cookies, which is all anyone should need |
| [15:42:41] | wagnerrp: | but html5 cannot, and should not, provide the DRM of flash |
| [15:43:14] | wagnerrp: | but you know how providers like their DRM... |
| [15:43:35] | Zath: | DRM is a kind of religion nowadays :-( |
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| [15:47:43] | AndyCap: | Zath: I suspect apple nto liking flash is due to the ability to run unapproved apps |
| [15:47:58] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap++ |
| [15:48:36] | clever: | AndyCap: yeah, they even booted the c64 emulator because it had basic |
| [15:48:38] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason apple couldnt have worked with adobe to get a version of flash optimized for safari and the A4 |
| [15:48:45] | clever: | which let me write my own 'unapproved apps' |
| [15:48:59] | AndyCap: | clever: yeah, c64 apps, zomg. :P |
| [15:49:01] | wagnerrp: | im sure adobe would have been happy to comply with such a request |
| [15:49:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: it could also be to push for html5 and <video> |
| [15:49:09] | AndyCap: | that will bring down the house. |
| [15:49:17] | wagnerrp: | considering theyve sold how many millions of units? |
| [15:50:13] | justinh: | well, maybe there's something we can do with mythbrowser instead of mythmovies :) |
| [15:50:35] | wagnerrp: | no, Apple's push for html5 is nothing more than them trying to remove all 3rd party development and runtime environments |
| [15:50:47] | wagnerrp: | lack of those means lack of cross platform apps |
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| [15:51:55] | wagnerrp: | most developers are only going to program for one platform, and apple is hoping that they only do it for iOS |
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| [15:52:43] | wagnerrp: | if they had an overwhelming majority market share for mobiles, someone would probably be going after them for anti-trust violations |
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| [15:56:03] | dewman: | wagnerrp, I finally change video cards...Got away from that onboard intel pos...I found a fx 5700le for 10 bucks.... |
| [15:56:22] | wagnerrp: | which onboard intel? |
| [15:56:36] | dewman: | i810 |
| [15:56:44] | wagnerrp: | thats on old one... |
| [15:56:49] | dewman: | 8 megs of ram... |
| [15:56:53] | dewman: | heh |
| [15:57:13] | wagnerrp: | the only thing a 5700 will get you is opengl support |
| [15:57:36] | wagnerrp: | (or rather a card powerful enough to run mythtv's limited opengl requirements) |
| [15:57:47] | wagnerrp: | oh, and probably better, higher resolution outputs |
| [15:58:12] | dewman: | it does seem to help a little...such as fast forwarding, rewinding, |
| [15:58:29] | wagnerrp: | that i810 could probably only do 1024x768 digital, the 5700 might do 1600x1200 |
| [15:58:46] | wagnerrp: | the only way a 5700 would help on playback were if you enabled XvMC, which you shouldnt have |
| [15:58:57] | dewman: | yep 1024 was max for that 810 |
| [15:59:37] | dewman: | hmm. maybe its me then and I just "think" its working better. |
| [15:59:42] | dewman: | =) |
| [15:59:46] | dewman: | which could be the case. |
| [16:00:14] | wagnerrp: | if youre using the opengl painter/renderer, it would work a lot better |
| [16:01:30] | dewman: | I think I did check that box... |
| [16:01:58] | dewman: | is that where the themes are at? |
| [16:02:28] | wagnerrp: | the painter is with the themes and only used for the UI |
| [16:02:46] | wagnerrp: | the renderer is in the playback profiles, and only used for video playback and the OSD |
| [16:04:21] | dewman: | ok, the playback profile that I used for the intel was slim, I changed it to normal and then changed the painter with the themes to use gl.... |
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| [16:30:44] | jamesch: | Hi, I've got mythtv setup on my ubuntu machine, it's working fine, but for some reason I'm not getting movie posters, but I am getting series posters. Is there a fix for this? |
| [16:31:37] | wagnerrp: | what version? |
| [16:33:32] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend --version' |
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| [16:33:36] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [16:33:53] | wagnerrp: | cant help you if you dont have reliable internet |
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| [16:44:09] | justinh: | reminds me I still haven't got round to updating my frontend |
| [16:44:29] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: what release and revision are you running? |
| [16:46:17] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: how do I find out? |
| [16:46:31] | justinh: | mythbackend --version |
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| [16:48:12] | jamesch: | MythTV Version : 24158 |
| [16:48:13] | jamesch: | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes |
| [16:48:13] | jamesch: | Network Protocol : 56 |
| [16:48:13] | jamesch: | Library API : 0.23.20100314–1 |
| [16:48:14] | jamesch: | QT Version : 4.6.2 |
| [16:48:28] | wagnerrp: | please upgrade to the latest mythbuntu autobuild |
| [16:48:40] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: ok, how? |
| [16:48:56] | wagnerrp: | dont know, ask in #mythubuntu |
| [16:49:17] | wagnerrp: | also, do you have multiple systems running mythtv? |
| [16:49:54] | justinh: | or just use JAMU to get yer movie posters for you til the fix percolates its way to ordinary ubuntu packages. that could take a while though |
| [16:50:14] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: well, I installed mythtv over an existing install of ubuntu, so I didn't use mythbuntu, and no, I'm running everything on one desktop |
| [16:50:15] | wagnerrp: | the autobuilds arent the normal ubuntu packages? |
| [16:50:29] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [16:50:41] | justinh: | ordinary ubuntu ships the pre-release still AFAIK |
| [16:50:55] | wagnerrp: | right, so it will never get updated until 0.24 ships |
| [16:51:10] | wagnerrp: | and thats a few months out |
| [16:51:47] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: i just ask as last nights autobuild will have included a protocol update, which would require all connected installs to be updated at the same time |
| [16:51:50] | justinh: | jamesch: adding mythbuntu autobuilds won't harm anything |
| [16:52:15] | justinh: | well, not as long as you update every system you use at the same time |
| [16:52:35] | wagnerrp: | note that that is a rare occurance |
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| [16:52:42] | wagnerrp: | and has only happened twice that im aware of |
| [16:56:37] | jamesch: | ok, so will updating to the latest autobuild fix the problem? |
| [16:56:49] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [16:56:53] | jamesch: | right. |
| [16:57:22] | wagnerrp: | themoviedb changed their API such that they were returning image links that redirected to a rotating cache network |
| [16:57:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv did not properly handle that redirect |
| [16:57:39] | jamesch: | ok, cool :) |
| [16:57:48] | wagnerrp: | so it would error, rather than downloading the image |
| [16:57:56] | jamesch: | I'm in the mythbuntu channel asking about the autobuild update |
| [16:58:51] | jamesch: | I have to say, MythTV is really really cool. |
| [16:59:22] | RDV_Linux: | jamesch: Mythbuntu builds are just packages and will work even if you did not specifically install Mythbuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [16:59:23] | jamesch: | I was quite impressed at how easy it was to get working and how polished the UI is. |
| [16:59:50] | wagnerrp: | well thats rare |
| [17:00:05] | wagnerrp: | most people (skip reading the documentation and) struggle through the setup |
| [17:02:15] | gbee: | UI, polished? Huh |
| [17:02:27] | jamesch: | well I'm not doing anything complicated with it. I'm not using it for TV, just playing videos and series. |
| [17:03:00] | jamesch: | hopefully the package update won't break anything :P |
| [17:03:06] | wagnerrp: | are you ever going to use a tuner card? |
| [17:03:24] | gbee: | most people complain about the UI and we're always working to improve it, but it's nice to hear a compliment for once, thank you |
| [17:03:28] | jamesch: | possibly, but at the moment I don't have the intention of doing that. |
| [17:04:30] | jamesch: | gbee: well, one menu in MythVideo is a bit broken, and it's sometimes a bit difficult to see what's written, but it looks pretty good aside from that. |
| [17:04:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has some nice features for use of media content when you have multiple systems on a network |
| [17:04:57] | gbee: | the differently in reading text will probably be down to the theme |
| [17:05:16] | wagnerrp: | but for a single system, with no tuners or desire to record anything, most people would consider it overly complex compared to other HTPC softwares |
| [17:05:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed more as a system, encompassing multiple programs and machines, rather than a single program |
| [17:05:55] | gbee: | themes are still pretty thin on the ground and really good themes are even rarer, but hopefully that will change with time |
| [17:07:47] | jamesch: | gbee: I'm using the default theme at the moment. |
| [17:08:29] | gbee: | black, or brown? |
| [17:08:35] | wagnerrp: | or blue |
| [17:08:45] | gbee: | since mythbuntu has it's own theme and might use that as the default |
| [17:09:07] | jamesch: | gbee: black |
| [17:09:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the mythbuntu theme |
| [17:09:21] | wagnerrp: | the default mythtv is brown |
| [17:09:33] | gbee: | for which I apologise |
| [17:10:07] | jamesch: | ah, I don't seem to have the default mythtv... |
| [17:10:07] | wagnerrp: | well you know... you wanted something different to demo the new UI, and no one had done brown before |
| [17:10:23] | gbee: | jamesch: if you report the menu problem to mythbuntu then hopefully it will be fixed in the next release |
| [17:10:28] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: no, you are using mythbuntu, which is somewhat heavily modified |
| [17:10:33] | gbee: | wagnerrp: :p |
| [17:10:48] | jamesch: | ah, ok :) well that would explain it. |
| [17:10:54] | wagnerrp: | the code itself isnt modified, but they have a lot of external work, wrappers, setup GUIs, other stuff |
| [17:11:23] | jamesch: | right, I seem to have come across a problem. The frontend wanted to upgrade the database, so it did that, and now it says it can't connect to the backend server. |
| [17:11:49] | gbee: | jamesch: restart the backend, it needs to upgrade itself as well |
| [17:11:59] | gbee: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [17:12:05] | jamesch: | gbee: thanks |
| [17:12:33] | wagnerrp: | doesnt it complain if you hit those commands directly now? |
| [17:12:41] | Beirdo: | reminds me... when I get home, I need to finish fixing metallurgy :) |
| [17:13:08] | Beirdo: | the weather setup pages are a bit borked, I noticed it the other day before leaving for Philly |
| [17:13:20] | gbee: | Beirdo: heh, yeah, I should finish converting it to mythui one of these days |
| [17:13:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:13:39] | Beirdo: | I did fiddle the mythweather pages in it |
| [17:13:51] | Beirdo: | so that might take some of your work down a bit |
| [17:14:02] | Beirdo: | but I didn't think to check the setup :) |
| [17:14:13] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: it did complain, and the restart didn't seem to fix the problem. |
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| [17:14:50] | Beirdo: | gbee: a case of too many things to do, and not enough hours... I have the same problem :) |
| [17:15:03] | wagnerrp: | the database should not need upgrading |
| [17:15:21] | wagnerrp: | the schema has not changed in 0.23-fixes, only the protocol version |
| [17:15:31] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: I told the package manager to get build 24, was that a mistake? |
| [17:15:42] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:15:47] | jamesch: | crap. |
| [17:15:47] | wagnerrp: | you want to stick with 0.23 |
| [17:15:52] | jamesch: | how do I downgrade? |
| [17:16:16] | wagnerrp: | find your database backup, dump the old, import the backup |
| [17:16:29] | Beirdo: | ugh, there goes mythbuntu and it's presuming to know what the next version number will be :) |
| [17:16:48] | wagnerrp: | o |
| [17:16:49] | wagnerrp: | or |
| [17:16:53] | wagnerrp: | just continue using trunk |
| [17:17:08] | wagnerrp: | not recommended, but there shouldnt be much reliability issues |
| [17:17:11] | Beirdo: | just to mess with them, we should go to 0.50 |
| [17:17:18] | wagnerrp: | especially since you dont have any tuners to worry about |
| [17:18:19] | jamesch: | should I try to downgrade to build 0.23? |
| [17:18:30] | wagnerrp: | there is no downgrade in mythtv |
| [17:18:37] | wagnerrp: | only recovery from a database backup |
| [17:18:51] | gbee: | jamesch: at this stage it's probably easier to stick with 0.24 (development version, not due for release until September) than revert to 0.23 |
| [17:19:08] | jamesch: | ok. so I need to find the backup of the database and import it into the backend? |
| [17:20:01] | gbee: | 0.24 is relatively stable in my experience, you just have to be aware that it's not a supported release and may have a number of bugs |
| [17:21:17] | Beirdo: | heh. I use trunk, it's worked pretty well for me |
| [17:21:41] | Beirdo: | gbee: any chance you'd have time to hack in the animated GIF support? :) |
| [17:22:06] | Beirdo: | be nice to have in before 0.24.. gives a couple more months, I guess |
| [17:22:55] | Beirdo: | and I need to figure out how to mythui-ize mythgallery. :) |
| [17:23:08] | gbee: | Beirdo: I'll try and get to it this week |
| [17:23:14] | Beirdo: | cool :) |
| [17:23:24] | Beirdo: | then I can put mythweather to bed for a while |
| [17:24:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: have a general image store on the backend through a storage group, delegate the frontend path for removable media, or remove it entirely in favor of the mediamonitor |
| [17:24:18] | Beirdo: | I know how it is though. |
| [17:24:31] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: hmm, there's that part too. |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | I'd like local galleries to be storage group (a new one) |
| [17:25:19] | Beirdo: | with the possibility to use a USB stick on the frontend |
| [17:25:38] | wagnerrp: | storage groups imply that the backend has access to that storage |
| [17:25:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know |
| [17:25:50] | wagnerrp: | even if youre accessing it directly through the file system on the frontend |
| [17:26:06] | Beirdo: | I WANT the gallery stored on the backend |
| [17:26:13] | Beirdo: | so all frontends can use it |
| [17:26:35] | Beirdo: | but if some user wants to plug in a usb stick of pictures, it would likely be on the frontentd |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | kinda like playing DVDs :) |
| [17:27:34] | wagnerrp: | which mediamonitor would hopefully pick up |
| [17:27:39] | Beirdo: | and then of course... I'm looking at adding support for flickr galleries |
| [17:27:54] | wagnerrp: | might want to shift to a database to store EXIF data for searching |
| [17:27:59] | Beirdo: | which would use the new media caching... |
| [17:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i cant imaging reading that stuff on the fly would be anything like real-time |
| [17:28:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, I was thinking that too. Might need to actually store that stuff |
| [17:28:27] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, mythgallery is all 'browse mode' |
| [17:28:33] | Beirdo: | oh, it should be fast. |
| [17:28:37] | Beirdo: | but still |
| [17:29:03] | Beirdo: | yeah. it needs some TLC |
| [17:29:11] | Beirdo: | and maybe a stick of dynamite too |
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| [17:29:22] | wagnerrp: | fast per file, but i cant imagine it would be usable for people with thousands of images |
| [17:29:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, that gets sucky fast |
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| [17:30:08] | wagnerrp: | i mean the same argument could be made for id3 tags in mythmusic |
| [17:30:14] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:30:17] | wagnerrp: | reading one is fast, but reading thousands of time is not workable |
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| [17:30:29] | wagnerrp: | s/of/at a/ |
| [17:30:39] | Beirdo: | I should download a pile of my gallery to home for testing once I get back |
| [17:31:04] | wagnerrp: | you could script it with the backend download manager and python bindings... :) |
| [17:31:13] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
| [17:31:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:31:30] | Beirdo: | to get my gallery home, a simple rsync would do |
| [17:31:38] | wagnerrp: | stored on your linode? |
| [17:31:45] | Beirdo: | yup, using gallery2 |
| [17:31:53] | Beirdo: | it will be gallery3 once that comes out |
| [17:32:12] | Beirdo: | and giving me a great test platform for their new API |
| [17:32:39] | Beirdo: | need to put a few pics onto my picasa and my flickr too |
| [17:33:29] | Beirdo: | the mythui part will be interesting... they have opengl slideshow transitions in there |
| [17:33:48] | Beirdo: | which should likely be moved out of the plugin and into libmythui |
| [17:34:28] | wagnerrp: | might want to talk to justinh about that, he already had a bunch of code for some form of mythui animations |
| [17:34:35] | wagnerrp: | image transforms and such |
| [17:35:10] | Beirdo: | cool |
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| [17:35:36] | Beirdo: | but that all has to wait for at least until tomorrow late at night |
| [17:36:36] | Beirdo: | and I need to check how the preview in the live tv guide is done |
| [17:37:21] | Beirdo: | as if I'm using Arclight (widescreen of course), and switch to an SD input, it stretches the preview |
| [17:37:46] | Beirdo: | probably as simple as adding a "KeepAspectRatio" |
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| [17:39:59] | Beirdo: | whoah |
| [17:40:07] | Beirdo: | I should reboot my linode |
| [17:40:17] | Beirdo: | in June they upped the RAM again |
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| [17:41:59] | wagnerrp: | whats more proper? OSX or OS X? |
| [17:42:40] | Beirdo: | with space, I think |
| [17:43:12] | Beirdo: | MacOS X likely :) |
| [17:43:24] | Beirdo: | MacOS 9 being the previous |
| [17:43:35] | gbee: | I dunno why, but until now I'd formed the impression that your 'linode' was a little lower power hardware thing, I must be thinking of something else |
| [17:43:44] | wagnerrp: | just wondering which category to keep in the merge |
| [17:44:23] | Beirdo: | gbee: it's a domU on a fairly powerful box... 768MB RAM now.. and plenty of disk |
| [17:44:32] | Beirdo: | sorry "Mac OS X" |
| [17:45:27] | Beirdo: | I think I'll wait until I'm home before rebooting the linode though |
| [17:46:41] | wagnerrp: | this brianboonstra really likes flooding pages with duplicate categories |
| [17:47:13] | wagnerrp: | everything he touches includes categories 'MacOS', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'Leopard', 'Snow Leopard'.... |
| [17:47:15] | gbee: | Beirdo: yeah, whatever it is that I was thinking of was sold as a personal webserver that you plugged into your home network and it made itself available, it was very small and very low power and ran linux making it popular with linux geeks who linked messing about with these sorts of things ... I can't remember what it was called though |
| [17:47:32] | AndyCap: | pogoplug? |
| [17:47:56] | Beirdo: | ooh, that would be a cool toy too :) |
| [17:47:59] | gbee: | that doesn't sound like it |
| [17:48:16] | gbee: | someone here had one, which is probably were the confusion began |
| [17:48:23] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [17:48:46] | AndyCap: | somthing with y in it. :P |
| [17:48:54] | ** AndyCap plays medium ** | |
| [17:49:35] | Beirdo: | gbee: they have Virtual servers available in a data center in London now |
| [17:50:13] | gbee: | Beirdo: I was noticing, just weighing it again my existing hosting |
| [17:50:19] | gbee: | against |
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| [17:50:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:51:06] | Beirdo: | mine's in Atlanta, BTW |
| [17:51:44] | AndyCap: | datacenter? http://web.archive.org/web/20020709204900/htt . . . enter_B2.jpg |
| [17:51:45] | Beirdo: | Heh, I should move it to London so the beeb sees me as being in the UK |
| [17:54:14] | Beirdo: | gbee: if ya do decide to switch, I can give you a referral code :) |
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| [17:55:16] | justinh: | wagnerrp, Beirdo I didn't get any further than basic image rotation using the gl & qt painters |
| [17:55:27] | Beirdo: | ah, K |
| [17:55:37] | justinh: | I started working out gaussian blurring but got severely lost |
| [17:55:51] | justinh: | what I had working is still on my old webspace somewhere |
| [17:56:08] | Beirdo: | ye olde pack rat |
| [17:56:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:56:22] | justinh: | but won't apply any longer cos of mark's mythui osd changes – though from my last look it might not take much to make it work again |
| [17:56:58] | justinh: | just need the time (tm) |
| [17:57:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:57:24] | Beirdo: | I should go find some coffee and some food |
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| [17:58:11] | Beirdo: | in that approximate priority order |
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| [18:00:32] | justinh: | who was it said they might stick around & help out with gl ui stuff again? going back quite some time.. |
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| [18:04:35] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/test.ogg |
| [18:04:41] | justinh: | oops make that http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/test.mpeg |
| [18:05:39] | jamesch: | argh, can I have some help fixing this thing with the frontend not being able to connect to the backend master database? |
| [18:06:26] | jamesch: | *master backend server |
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| [18:06:37] | justinh: | I take it this is all on different machines |
| [18:06:53] | jamesch: | justinh: no, on one machine. |
| [18:07:01] | justinh: | ubuntu strikes again. sigh |
| [18:07:25] | jamesch: | I updated the packages to 0.24 accidentally. It upgraded the database and now I get that error. |
| [18:07:41] | jamesch: | it was working fine until I upgraded. |
| [18:07:50] | justinh: | I hope you can find the database backup |
| [18:07:52] | wagnerrp: | what is the exact error? |
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| [18:08:07] | wagnerrp: | justinh: we told him it was just easier to stick with it until 0.24 at this point |
| [18:08:43] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running..." |
| [18:08:52] | justinh: | heh. short memory span strikes again |
| [18:08:55] | wagnerrp: | so server, not database |
| [18:09:05] | wagnerrp: | if you cannot connect to the server, then the server is not running |
| [18:09:27] | jamesch: | ok. so I should start it? |
| [18:09:32] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:09:42] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will not operate without the backend |
| [18:10:06] | wagnerrp: | more back to my comment about mythtv being designed to function as a system, and being overly complicated for basic HTPC media playback |
| [18:10:49] | jamesch: | I get this: start mythtv-backend |
| [18:10:49] | jamesch: | start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.105" (uid=1000 pid=16878 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")) |
| [18:11:04] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that is |
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| [18:12:20] | jamesch: | me neither. it appears to not be starting mythtv |
| [18:12:50] | wagnerrp: | actually i do know what that is, its ubuntu upstart garbage |
| [18:13:00] | wagnerrp: | but i couldnt begin to tell you what it means, or troubleshoot it |
| [18:13:07] | wagnerrp: | try in #ubuntu |
| [18:13:29] | tgm4883: | jamesch, you need sudo |
| [18:13:51] | jamesch: | tgm4883: thx |
| [18:14:00] | jamesch: | ok, so it should be running now. |
| [18:15:10] | tgm4883: | <jamesch> I updated the packages to 0.24 accidentally. |
| [18:15:15] | tgm4883: | how is that possible? |
| [18:15:22] | tgm4883: | Aren't their big warnings? |
| [18:15:25] | wagnerrp: | we told him to use the autobuilds |
| [18:15:27] | jamesch: | muthbuntu |
| [18:15:31] | jamesch: | myth* |
| [18:15:46] | tgm4883: | yea, but accidentally up to 0.24? |
| [18:16:06] | tgm4883: | There are warnings not to select it if you do |
| [18:16:25] | jamesch: | it asked me which packages I wanted, and gave me a choice between 23 and 24. I figured I needed the latest ones... |
| [18:16:36] | wagnerrp: | technically, 0.23 is the latest one |
| [18:16:41] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 does not officially exist |
| [18:16:45] | tgm4883: | when did you install auto-builds? |
| [18:16:52] | jamesch: | I realise that now... :) |
| [18:17:02] | jamesch: | tgm4883: a few hours ago |
| [18:17:39] | tgm4883: | jamesch, so the TWO screens dedicated soley to warning you not to pick the one you did and to go back and select .23 weren't enough of a warning for you? |
| [18:17:56] | jamesch: | I didn't see any warnings |
| [18:18:34] | tgm4883: | when did you download the mythbuntu-repos package, and from where? |
| [18:19:20] | jamesch: | tgm4883: a few hours ago, from here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
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| [18:19:39] | tgm4883: | Ok, how did you install it? |
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| [18:20:49] | jamesch: | clicked on the link, it downloaded and ran and the package manager opened. |
| [18:20:59] | tgm4883: | then there should have been warnings |
| [18:21:01] | tgm4883: | let me check |
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| [18:23:09] | jamesch: | there was a thing where it said "most people would select 23, so only select 24 if you know what you're doing" |
| [18:23:25] | tgm4883: | hmm, i appoligize, something is broke there. The warnings show up in the text debconf, but not graphically |
| [18:24:09] | jamesch: | ok, so how do I fix the problem with the frontend not connecting to the server? |
| [18:24:18] | jamesch: | I could just re-install mythtv |
| [18:24:21] | wagnerrp: | run the server |
| [18:24:35] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: I did, it didn't fix it. |
| [18:24:36] | wagnerrp: | its not connecting, because there is no server to connect to |
| [18:24:50] | wagnerrp: | you can 'ps ax | grep mythbackend' and see it in the process list? |
| [18:25:22] | jamesch: | 17238 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep mythbackend |
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| [18:25:32] | wagnerrp: | so no, the backend is not running |
| [18:25:54] | jamesch: | but I told it to start... |
| [18:26:23] | wagnerrp: | then either your startup script isnt working properly, or mythbackend itself is erroring and exiting |
| [18:26:32] | jamesch: | ok. |
| [18:26:40] | wagnerrp: | you already said upstart was giving you errors of some sort |
| [18:26:54] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: I used sudo and then upstart was fine. |
| [18:26:58] | jamesch: | is there an error log? |
| [18:27:08] | wagnerrp: | probably in /var/log/mythtv/ |
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| [18:30:25] | jamesch: | found a log, but I don't see anything that screams error to me. |
| [18:30:45] | jamesch: | aside from this line: 2010-07–18 20:13:46.576 Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [18:30:45] | jamesch: | Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions? |
| [18:31:10] | wagnerrp: | back to the whole thing of mythtv's intended use as a PVR |
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| [18:31:31] | tgm4883: | hmm, no the warning do appear to be there |
| [18:31:55] | tgm4883: | I'll need to find someone that hasn't been working on this to test it. |
| [18:32:56] | jamesch: | tgm4883: my issue was that I was confronted with either 23 or 24, and the text didn't specify that choosing 23 will get the autobuilds, so I figured if I needed the latest autobuilds I'd need to go for 24. |
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| [18:33:29] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: should I just re-install mythtv? |
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| [18:33:43] | wagnerrp: | i doubt that would do anything |
| [18:33:56] | wagnerrp: | delete the backend log file |
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| [18:34:05] | wagnerrp: | run the backend again, and pastebin the logs |
| [18:34:09] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: well, I'd be at 0.23 |
| [18:34:13] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: will do |
| [18:34:35] | tgm4883: | jamesch, well heres the thing. There are 2 warning screens that are only shown if you select the development version of MythTV |
| [18:34:37] | tgm4883: | The first is |
| [18:34:38] | tgm4883: | You have selected a development version of MythTV. You can install this version, but if you choose to do so you should subscribe to the MythTV developers mailing list. The mailing list is at http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev/ If this was a mistake, please select back and choose a different version. If you choose to continue, you have been warned. |
| [18:35:09] | tgm4883: | If you decide to click next anyway and continue, you get a second warning screen |
| [18:35:10] | tgm4883: | Are you really sure you want to do this? You have selected a version of MythTV that is still in development. It is recommended that you go back and select 0.23. Only continue if you are really sure you want this version. If you have any doubt, please click back and select 0.23 |
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| [18:35:34] | jamesch: | hmmm.. ok, evidently I fail at reading properly. |
| [18:35:47] | tgm4883: | I'll get a third party to verify these come up graphically, which they do here after I purged the package |
| [18:36:54] | tgm4883: | but if that isn't enough warning for someone, then i'm not sure what I can do from there |
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| [18:38:05] | jamesch: | www.pastebin.com/WAY3qrce |
| [18:39:40] | wagnerrp: | does mythbackend now terminate if there are no tuner cards defined? |
| [18:39:58] | tgm4883: | is this a new install? |
| [18:40:09] | wagnerrp: | he has no tuner cards to define |
| [18:40:21] | tgm4883: | but did he go into mythtv-setup at all? |
| [18:41:12] | wagnerrp: | i think he had to, to set the backend server defaults |
| [18:41:23] | tgm4883: | yea thats what I'm getting at |
| [18:41:26] | wagnerrp: | the IP defaults |
| [18:41:41] | tgm4883: | did he do that though? |
| [18:42:11] | wagnerrp: | i assume so, since this was an upgrade from a functioning 0.23 install |
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| [18:42:23] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [18:42:32] | jamesch: | I don't remember going into mythtv-setup... |
| [18:42:50] | wagnerrp: | MCC probably opened it for you without your knowing |
| [18:43:02] | tgm4883: | IIRC, don't you have to after upgrading to 0.24 in order to upgrade the db? |
| [18:43:15] | wagnerrp: | the backend will upgrade the database as well |
| [18:44:09] | jamesch: | the frontend asked me if I wanted to upgrade the database, or to quit. so I told it to upgrade the database, and then it did some stuff, said it had to restart something, and then the fronend was broken. |
| [18:44:20] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will not update the primary schema |
| [18:44:25] | wagnerrp: | it will only do it for the plugins |
| [18:45:30] | jamesch: | ok. so any idea why it's just quitting? |
| [18:45:42] | wagnerrp: | probably because you dont have a tuner card |
| [18:45:51] | wagnerrp: | it seems to be hitting that error and closing |
| [18:45:55] | jamesch: | oh, that's silly. |
| [18:46:03] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [18:46:36] | jamesch: | well, I dunno. I understand it was intended to be used with a tuner, but it's still a bit silly that you can't use any of the other functionality without one. |
| [18:46:43] | jamesch: | It's also supposed to be modular, isn't it? |
| [18:47:07] | wagnerrp: | until 0.22, the only purpose of the backend was to manage the tuners and recordings |
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| [18:47:29] | wagnerrp: | try adding a dummy tuner... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner |
| [18:47:52] | wagnerrp: | i think there may actually be a real 'dummy tuner' in trunk, i know someone was working on it, but i dont know if it got committed |
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| [18:50:46] | jamesch: | how do I tell if a file is an mpeg2 file? |
| [18:51:09] | wagnerrp: | 'ffmpeg -i <file>' |
| [18:56:24] | jamesch: | ok, I managed to get the first two steps right, but the "create your video source as normal" line is confusing me. |
| [18:56:44] | jamesch: | in fact, the rest of those instructions confuse me. |
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| [19:03:14] | jamesch: | ok, I managed to get that sorted out, but the "input connections" page is blank when I open it. |
| [19:03:42] | Beirdo: | OK, gotta say... the new Kia commercial with the rapping hamsters... it's entertaining |
| [19:03:52] | Beirdo: | still not gonna buy a crappy Kia though :) |
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| [19:04:46] | wagnerrp: | really? i have to leave the room, or at least mute the tv, whenever i cant fast forward |
| [19:05:24] | Beirdo: | it's funny.. for the first few times |
| [19:05:38] | Beirdo: | it will grow thin REAL fast, I'm sure |
| [19:06:09] | jamesch: | so any idea why the input connections page is blank? |
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| [19:07:55] | wagnerrp: | the only rap song i could see that would make me want to buy a product would be something by weapon of choice |
| [19:08:07] | wagnerrp: | ideally staring christopher walken |
| [19:08:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:08:30] | Beirdo: | I never said it would affect my buying decisions |
| [19:08:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:09:42] | justinh: | one of my *all* *time* fave music vids, that one |
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| [19:10:22] | justinh: | Spike Jonez makes a mean promo |
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| [19:25:31] | jamesch: | so I tried starting mythtv again, the logfile is complaining about the dummy tuner not being connected, but as I said before, the connections page is blank in the backend setup. What should I do? |
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| [19:27:12] | justinh: | connections page is gonna be blank if you don't set up a video source to start with |
| [19:28:31] | jamesch: | a video source being a capture card? |
| [19:28:44] | wagnerrp: | a video source being an abstract source of video |
| [19:28:59] | wagnerrp: | your cable provider, or broadcast tv, etc... |
| [19:29:05] | wagnerrp: | you need a dummy one of those too |
| [19:29:08] | wagnerrp: | with a dummy channel |
| [19:29:09] | jamesch: | ah, I see it now. I have setup a video source, and a dummy card. |
| [19:29:19] | jamesch: | and a summy channel, but the connections tab is still blank. |
| [19:29:22] | jamesch: | dummy* |
| [19:30:35] | jamesch: | hmm. I think there might be a problem with the dummy card setup. |
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| [19:38:04] | wagnerrp: | it may no longer work |
| [19:38:26] | wagnerrp: | ive never personally used i |
| [19:38:26] | wagnerrp: | t |
| [19:40:41] | jamesch: | YES! |
| [19:40:44] | jamesch: | It worked!!!!!!1 |
| [19:40:48] | jamesch: | wooooooooooooo |
| [19:42:13] | jamesch: | so the backend is running now. |
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| [19:44:11] | jamesch: | although now the frontend doesn't get metadata |
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| [19:49:50] | jamesch: | hmm. I seem to be having a few odd problems. |
| [19:49:55] | jamesch: | I'm uninstalling it. |
| [19:51:21] | justinh: | hmmm I wonder if schedule-ui.xml can use templates in -fixes |
| [19:52:21] | justinh: | yay! |
| [19:52:44] | justinh: | this'll be better than silly independent textareas. phew |
| [19:53:40] | justinh: | or not |
| [19:55:27] | justinh: | ruh? set a template to use %CARD% & some of my recordings are showing card 'P'. like wth? |
| [19:57:00] | wagnerrp: | 'previous recording' |
| [19:58:26] | justinh: | duh yeah. oops |
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| [20:04:21] | wagnerrp: | ugh... here i thought i was closing in on my backlog of recordings |
| [20:04:30] | wagnerrp: | ive still got 44 left to transcode and move over to mythvideo |
| [20:04:42] | wagnerrp: | s/transcode/clip/ |
| [20:05:59] | justinh: | I did a hatchet job on 28 episodes of 'in the night garden' yesterday |
| [20:06:07] | justinh: | sick of them clogging up the recordings list |
| [20:06:40] | justinh: | then set up to record no more. these should keep us busy enough come the time we actually need em. and next time I'll just buy the darn DVDs |
| [20:07:45] | justinh: | hmm. showing which card would be used isn't really any use to me |
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| [20:08:39] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple episodes flagged, but not transcoded |
| [20:08:45] | wagnerrp: | i wonder why i never ran it |
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| [20:09:53] | justinh: | that reminds me about the bug-ette I found |
| [20:10:00] | justinh: | ran into it again yesterday |
| [20:10:17] | justinh: | get a playlist of stuff together then try & transcode it as a batch job |
| [20:10:31] | justinh: | never asks which profile to use, so it fails |
| [20:10:34] | ** wagnerrp tries to decide what would make a bug feminine ** | |
| [20:11:02] | justinh: | heh I was saying that to mean small bug |
| [20:11:21] | wagnerrp: | it only fails a certain times of the month? |
| [20:12:02] | justinh: | lol. sounds feasible |
| [20:13:21] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how well my laptop would fare in edit mode |
| [20:19:00] | wagnerrp: | seems neither opengl, nor xvideo, will pump over the network |
| [20:20:54] | wagnerrp: | xlib here we go! |
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| [20:24:27] | wagnerrp: | that fails too |
| [20:24:36] | wagnerrp: | so much for working on all servers, local or remote |
| [20:29:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:29:52] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [20:30:11] | Beirdo: | stupid housekeeping shut off the AC |
| [20:30:12] | wagnerrp: | now for the 12 hours needed to update qt and build mythtv on my laptop |
| [20:30:19] | jamesch: | hmm. I don't know if this is a mythtv problem, or a mythbuntu problem, but I purged the 0.24 install, and got 0.23 working. Then I update from the autobuilds to the latest of 0.23 and it breaks mythvideo. The exact error that I get is: "plugin mythvideo is not compatible with the installed MythTV libraries" |
| [20:30:24] | wagnerrp: | you back in town? |
| [20:30:35] | Beirdo: | I'm in Philly :) |
| [20:30:44] | Beirdo: | and I ain't got AC in Seattle |
| [20:30:49] | wagnerrp: | you mean they shut it off in the hotel room? |
| [20:30:51] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [20:30:54] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [20:31:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, saves lots of money when they do that |
| [20:31:08] | Beirdo: | "to save electricity" |
| [20:31:10] | jamesch: | it then says "please recompile the plugin after a make distclean" |
| [20:31:18] | Beirdo: | it was off for all of an hour |
| [20:31:30] | Beirdo: | and it really didn't save them squat |
| [20:31:44] | Beirdo: | now, if it were off for 8h... then it would save |
| [20:31:57] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: sounds like youve got binaries that werent compiled properly, or you have not updated all your packages |
| [20:32:23] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: hmm.. ok. let me try and see if anything needs updating |
| [20:32:24] | wagnerrp: | did you update mythvideo when you updated mythtv? |
| [20:33:09] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: yep. update manager thinks everything's peachy. |
| [20:33:35] | jamesch: | maybe I should try a different repository? |
| [20:34:03] | wagnerrp: | no, use the official one |
| [20:34:21] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: well, I meant one from a different country than the one I'm using now. |
| [20:34:35] | jamesch: | although I can't imagine it would make a huge difference. |
| [20:36:24] | jamesch: | argh, this is silly! |
| [20:37:25] | jamesch: | time to re-install all these packages again. |
| [20:37:28] | wagnerrp: | im happy to have never known the woes of mythtv binary packages |
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| [20:39:23] | jamesch: | why is that wagnerrp? |
| [20:39:48] | wagnerrp: | ive never used binary packages for mythtv, and it seems youre having all sorts of problems with them |
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| [20:46:09] | jamesch: | what do you use instead? |
| [20:46:16] | justinh: | lol |
| [20:46:25] | justinh: | if you don't use packages there's only one thing you can do |
| [20:46:32] | justinh: | build it yerself from source |
| [20:46:37] | wagnerrp: | call the ghostbusters? |
| [20:46:43] | jamesch: | lmao, ok. |
| [20:47:54] | justinh: | actually no, there were two things you could do if you don't use packages |
| [20:48:04] | justinh: | one was build it yourself & the other was don't use mythtv :P |
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| [21:03:27] | ** Beirdo wonders if he shouldn't go find even more caffeine ** | |
| [21:04:53] | ** wagnerrp is baffled by people switching to satellite because 'Comcast took away their analog' ** | |
| [21:05:13] | Beirdo: | more like "because Comcast pissed em off" |
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| [21:06:47] | rhollan: | how can I see master back end storage groups on a remote frontend? Right now, I can only see live TV and recorded programs, but not music. |
| [21:07:18] | wagnerrp: | what would you do with a 'music' storage group? |
| [21:07:50] | rhollan: | play ripped music remotely |
| [21:08:11] | wagnerrp: | and what documentation makes you think you can do that? |
| [21:08:29] | rhollan: | Storage Groups in general? Why could I not do that? |
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| [21:08:43] | rhollan: | Storage Groups are supposed to eliminate the need for NFS mounts, no? |
| [21:08:49] | wagnerrp: | because mythmusic has not been rewritten to support SGs yet |
| [21:08:54] | rhollan: | Oh. |
| [21:09:07] | rhollan: | makes sense/ |
| [21:09:25] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is the first (and so far only) to receive that treatment |
| [21:09:31] | jamesch: | the play folder option is a bit annoying. I couldn't find a way to get it to stop playing. |
| [21:09:43] | rhollan: | Hmmm. So, if I make FE NFS mounts of BE myth music directories, things should work. |
| [21:10:04] | wagnerrp: | if you quit playback shortly after the next video opens, it ill terminate playback completely |
| [21:10:14] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: correct |
| [21:11:49] | rhollan: | lemme guess: the BE DB exports names of directories, and the FE uses those, so, except for SG-aware apps like TV, NFS or SMG exports are required, right? |
| [21:12:05] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: well, hitting the "esc" key just went to the next video. |
| [21:12:09] | rhollan: | 'course I guess I could use mythweb and avoid the hassle. |
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| [21:12:47] | jamesch: | also, it's interesting to note that the "delete" option just deletes the file outright without moving it to trash or something like that. |
| [21:12:47] | Beirdo: | rhollan: or you could spend as much time submitting patches to fix it as you do complaining about it ;) |
| [21:13:17] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: the 'trash bin' is not a universal concept in linux |
| [21:13:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, what's a "trash bin"? |
| [21:13:31] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: oh. |
| [21:13:44] | wagnerrp: | and most 'trash bin' implementations will not store the multi-gigabyte files that videos usually are anyway |
| [21:14:02] | kormoc: | jamesch, enable the delete storage group and it'll move it there and allow you to undelete from it (assume it doesn't get expired before you try to undelete it) |
| [21:14:03] | wagnerrp: | i know windows will outright refuse and warn you it is just deleting the file |
| [21:14:20] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: for mythvideo content? i thought that was just recordings |
| [21:14:26] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [21:14:33] | kormoc: | I didn't know you could delete from mythvideo |
| [21:15:06] | wagnerrp: | always have been (that i recall anyway) |
| [21:15:09] | wagnerrp: | 'd' as normal |
| [21:15:15] | wagnerrp: | or you can do it from the menu |
| [21:15:34] | justinh: | yeah I remember iamlindoro adding deletion-ability |
| [21:15:44] | kormoc: | huh |
| [21:15:51] | rhollan: | Aye, Bierdo, but I need to get wireless working first |
| [21:16:03] | jamesch: | the metadata management in the frontend is a little bit precarious as well. for instance, the series and episode numbers can only be changed by "scrolling" and not by typing a number in. I understand that it's intended to be useable with a remote, but parallel keyboard support would be cool. |
| [21:16:35] | kormoc: | jamesch, patches welcome |
| [21:17:11] | jamesch: | kormoc: maybe I will sometime, need to figure out how the program works first :P |
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| [21:18:05] | jamesch: | where's the source? |
| [21:18:17] | kormoc: | svn.mythtv.org has the urls |
| [21:18:40] | jamesch: | I found some source here: |
| [21:18:42] | jamesch: | http://www.mythtv.org/download |
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| [21:19:26] | wagnerrp: | you dont want that source |
| [21:19:43] | wagnerrp: | all development should be done against trunk in the repository |
| [21:19:48] | jamesch: | ok |
| [21:20:27] | jamesch: | I've never done dev like this before (SVN, big project, many contributers). |
| [21:24:50] | wagnerrp: | its alive! |
| [21:25:13] | stuartm: | jamesch: http://svn.mythtv.org – instructions there |
| [21:25:32] | ** wagnerrp just got his dev box working again ** | |
| [21:25:52] | jamesch: | well, I might get into that sometime when I have a little more time available :) |
| [21:26:12] | jamesch: | also, how does dev work if I want to develop in ubuntu? |
| [21:26:38] | justinh: | helps to run a spare system |
| [21:26:54] | jamesch: | justinh: hmm. ok. |
| [21:26:56] | rhollan: | Well, this is odd |
| [21:27:09] | wagnerrp: | eew.... r22791 |
| [21:27:14] | wagnerrp: | seems ill have to update that one too |
| [21:27:21] | wagnerrp: | almost 3k revisions behind |
| [21:27:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:27:41] | justinh: | anyway series & ep numbers surely won't be that much hassle changing with a remote.. I mean how many episodes do shows tend to have? |
| [21:27:50] | rhollan: | I have access to mythweb protected via PLAIN authentication inside an HTTPS session, and the links to play back actual tracks are failing for lack of authentication even though authentication worked for the main site. |
| [21:28:10] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: it will probably be easier to rename your content to comply with the mythvideo filename parsing, and rescan |
| [21:28:26] | jamesch: | justinh: no, the problem is that when the files were loaded into the database the ep numbers were incorrectly read, so the ep no. was like 301 instead of 01. |
| [21:28:47] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:28:58] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: I did rename the content and rescan, but it didn't want to update the metadata that was in there previously. |
| [21:28:58] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [21:29:19] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: correct, mythvideo hashes all content, so it can detect and retain metadata when you rename things |
| [21:29:24] | klucas: | Sorry to chime in but I've asked this question in #ubuntu-mythtv but no one seems to be around. Anyone got a mythbuntu 9.xx install that's prompting for a distro upgrade? I'm wondering, if I do the distro upgrade will I end up with a mythbuntu 10.xx on my front end or will it install regular ubuntu lts 10.xx? |
| [21:29:27] | wagnerrp: | you will need to flush all the content from the database first |
| [21:29:44] | wagnerrp: | move your content elsewhere (or remove the folder from the storage group) and rescan |
| [21:29:54] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: ah, ok. |
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| [21:30:19] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: yes, it was during this event that I discovered that the delete doesn't delete the db entry, but the file itself. |
| [21:30:35] | stuartm: | klucas: mythbuntu, because all mythbuntu is just ubuntu + additional packages |
| [21:30:37] | justinh: | ooo so not getting any answer in the relevant channel is an excuse to ask in any other channel now? heh |
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| [21:31:04] | stuartm: | and distribution upgrades always install the latest versions of packages you already have installed |
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| [21:31:30] | jamesch: | it should probably be noted somewhere that the delete command actually deletes the file and not the db entry. |
| [21:31:38] | klucas: | justinh: ya well :) I got an answer. Which is more than I can say about asking in the place I'm 'susposed' to ask in ;) |
| [21:31:56] | klucas: | thanks stuartm |
| [21:32:09] | wagnerrp: | jamesch: i would expect a delete option to do just that |
| [21:32:20] | justinh: | dunno why they even bother having a channel tbh |
| [21:32:21] | jamesch: | yes, but you're also not stupid. |
| [21:32:53] | jamesch: | I could imagine some poor fool (like me) accidentally deleting their family video or something. |
| [21:33:07] | jamesch: | and then realising that it's really gone. |
| [21:33:14] | justinh: | which would be why a smart user protects their precious |
| [21:33:36] | Beirdo: | not sure what part of "delete" is... unclear :) |
| [21:33:49] | stuartm: | we could drop 'permanently' in there or something |
| [21:33:50] | justinh: | heh it's not called 'send to recycle bin' |
| [21:34:02] | jamesch: | yes, indeed. but how difficult would it be to put a little note there to say it's deleting the file. |
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| [21:34:10] | justinh: | pointless also adding a confirmation dialog in there |
| [21:34:20] | justinh: | I mean they just get annoying & folk ignore em |
| [21:34:20] | jamesch: | not a confirm dialog. |
| [21:34:24] | stuartm: | justinh: there is already a confirmation dialog |
| [21:34:25] | wagnerrp: | deleting the entry would be somewhat fruitless |
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| [21:34:32] | wagnerrp: | since it would just get picked up again on the next scan |
| [21:34:45] | justinh: | goes to show how often I've deleted stuff from mythvideo then |
| [21:34:49] | jamesch: | wagnerrp: well, I was trying to delete the entry, for reasons we discussed earlier. |
| [21:34:51] | stuartm: | as there should be, unless you want videos deleted just becase the cat walked across the keyboard |
| [21:34:52] | justinh: | not that I can.. :) |
| [21:35:15] | stuartm: | or because you hit 'd' instead of 'e' for edit |
| [21:35:17] | kormoc: | jamesch, clueless users tend not to run linux and even Windows deletes when you say delete |
| [21:35:28] | justinh: | my user has write access but there's no write access for mythtv |
| [21:35:37] | stuartm: | guys, give him a break, I feel he has a point |
| [21:35:51] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, the delete should just not exist |
| [21:35:57] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: it should |
| [21:35:58] | wagnerrp: | nevermind some kind of warning |
| [21:36:24] | Beirdo: | I think stuartm just added something to his TODO list :) |
| [21:36:27] | stuartm: | otherwise how do you remove videos without resorting to another machine |
| [21:36:29] | justinh: | wasn't the original idea to do this first & then later go back & make it act kinda like the expiredelete deletion trick? |
| [21:36:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, well, I think I recall hearing about it being a useful feature when you can move recordings into mythvideo |
| [21:37:13] | justinh: | and I remember the whole argument back when it was discussed too – as many people were for it as against |
| [21:37:18] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: i like the peace of mind that i would have to deliberately go to another machine and intentionally delete the file |
| [21:37:23] | stuartm: | justinh: I hope not, at least not without it being optional |
| [21:37:42] | justinh: | the winning argument being tell the user & let them protect their files accordingly |
| [21:37:42] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: do don't hit 'd' and select 'ok' :) |
| [21:38:15] | justinh: | and we all know the argument against there being a setting to disable deletions ;) |
| [21:38:45] | Beirdo: | aww, but settings are fun :) |
| [21:38:54] | stuartm: | it's not user friendly to require grandma to boot up her laptop and locate the file just to delete the film she finally got around to watching |
| [21:39:08] | justinh: | lol. yeah 4096 different levels of fun. or more |
| [21:39:11] | Beirdo: | heh, true there |
| [21:39:33] | bjd: | heh |
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| [21:40:34] | stuartm: | the ability to delete media in a media centre is hardly exotic, but we do have to acknowledge that some users need protecting from themselves |
| [21:41:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [21:41:12] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: but in order to get that in there, she would have to rip the movie off dvd/bluray, or clip/transcode a recording and move it in there |
| [21:41:28] | wagnerrp: | there was a willful act and some amount of time to get it there |
| [21:41:33] | justinh: | yup |
| [21:41:48] | wagnerrp: | indication that at some point, they had intended to store it permanently |
| [21:41:59] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to recordings which are temporary storage |
| [21:42:39] | justinh: | isn't the ultimate plan to kinda integrate everything one day hopefully though? that kind of makes the temp vs permanent point moot |
| [21:43:30] | justinh: | prolly wouldn't take much to add another column to the videometadata table to say 'protected' or summit |
| [21:43:43] | justinh: | then if protected, don't delete, yada yada |
| [21:44:05] | justinh: | saves a setting, adds a tickbox to the edit metadata screen |
| [21:44:30] | justinh: | or if protected, enter parental control PIN to delete |
| [21:45:12] | justinh: | problem kinda solved then – assuming users know they can set the protect bit |
| [21:45:18] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: and mythvideo includes DVD ripping, it includes a mechanism to import videos without resorting to another machine or application |
| [21:45:30] | stuartm: | mythtv should be able to act like a closed system |
| [21:45:40] | stuartm: | and it already does in many respects |
| [21:46:53] | stuartm: | and yes, the original intention may have been to keep it permanently, I thought I'd always want that Spice Girls CD, but when I ran out of space in the CD rack it was the first to go |
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| [21:47:11] | stuartm: | * I never actually owned a Spice Girls CD btw |
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| [21:47:17] | justinh: | or – if you're onto protecting users from themselves make the default bit set to 'protected' then they can't delete it from the UI regardless |
| [21:47:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:47:34] | justinh: | then they'd have to get rid of stuff the old way :) |
| [21:47:40] | Beirdo: | Spice Hos. |
| [21:48:00] | justinh: | Beirdo: very tame compared to the all-female acts of today. yikes |
| [21:48:12] | justinh: | *very* tame |
| [21:48:13] | Beirdo: | yeah, scary, iksn't it? |
| [21:48:29] | justinh: | nope :D |
| [21:48:29] | bjd: | compared to whom? |
| [21:49:15] | stuartm: | if a technically saavy user wants to prevent deletion, then they'd make the files read-only, although that precludes importing videos via mythtv itself, either by ripping a DVD, downloading via mythnetvision or exporting recordings |
| [21:49:15] | justinh: | compared to any of the female 'bands' who all reveal WAY more revealing stuff & have WAY filthier lyrics |
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| [21:50:38] | bjd: | justinh: thats you just being old :p |
| [21:50:57] | Beirdo: | bjd: got a problem with that? :) |
| [21:50:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:51:24] | justinh: | bjd: nope. not at all |
| [21:52:04] | stuartm: | more revealing than Geri Halliwells photos from her career as a porn star? |
| [21:52:08] | Beirdo: | we may be getting old, but the bands really are getting skankier |
| [21:52:26] | stuartm: | Beirdo: true that |
| [21:53:03] | Beirdo: | the two ain't mutually exclusive ;) |
| [21:53:13] | stuartm: | and they are in no way becoming more talented |
| [21:53:39] | rhollan: | crap. |
| [21:54:30] | rhollan: | mythweb send an audio/mpegurl type for music that my out of process player can't play because it doesn't retain the plain auth |
| [21:54:37] | Beirdo: | that is correct. they are crap |
| [21:57:14] | rhollan: | No, I wrap access to mythweb through auth in apache, which is fine, but firefox is losing the auth when it passes the mime type audio/mpegurl .m3u file to the player. |
| [21:57:18] | rhollan: | it's a firefox issue. |
| [21:57:35] | rhollan: | And there doesn;' |
| [21:57:54] | rhollan: | there doesn't appear to be a way to specify how that type is handled. |
| [22:00:06] | rhollan: | mythweb sends a .m3u content inside an audio/mpegurl mime type, which is great, but I can't see how firefox handles it — it does not have a mapping for that type, but it does try to spawn an external player. |
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| [22:04:03] | AndyCap: | rhollan: about:plugins have a cle? |
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| [22:04:45] | rhollan: | AndyCap: about:plugins does not have a listing for audio/mpegurl or .m3u |
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| [22:05:31] | rhollan: | that's what's so puzzling. Firefox spawns vlc to play the stream all by it's lonesome. VLC sends the HTTP GET request, but of course, lacks authentication, so it fails — no fault of mythweb's part. |
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| [22:05:58] | rhollan: | The thing is, this USED to work WITH authentication bofore I upgraded to ubunty 10.04 |
| [22:06:06] | Beirdo: | the wonders of 'doze |
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| [22:09:15] | DaveMorris: | I'm trying to use nuvexport to transcode some recordings however it is failing :( Running it on Ubuntu Karmic. I think I've identified the problem, which is that mythtranscode is creating empty vidout/audout files. However when I try and debug mythtranscode, I can't see anything which is wrong. It just sits there been unable to process anything. I'm running the command on my frontend, which has got the recordings mounted in the same locatio |
| [22:10:20] | rhollan: | It looks like it is not recognizing the mime type so deriving the file type from the content. But I still see no mapping anywhere in FF how to handle it. |
| [22:10:55] | AndyCap: | rhollan: it could call out to the desktop environment to figure it out? |
| [22:11:21] | AndyCap: | rhollan: here in my firefox mozplugger is the plugin handling mpegurl |
| [22:12:30] | ** Beirdo considers packing ** | |
| [22:12:52] | rhollan: | yeah, this isn't really myth-related. |
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| [22:17:59] | kormoc: | DaveMorris, it creates pipes, not files, slightly different |
| [22:18:24] | DaveMorris: | still, it sits at 0% @ 0 fps |
| [22:18:29] | DaveMorris: | which doesn't seem correct |
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| [22:39:58] | rhollan: | Well, it's a firefox issue... there appears to be no easy way to pass PLAIN authentication information to a plugin... the way around that is with a short-lived cookie and a different web path. IOW, if mythweb music created a temp cookie in the URL for the music file, and the external plugin used it, it could bypass authentication (based on the transient nature of the cookie). |
| [22:40:06] | rhollan: | That might be something I could add. |
| [22:46:29] | Beirdo: | OK. suitcase repacked |
| [22:46:50] | rhollan: | how is that not myth-specific? |
| [22:47:14] | Beirdo: | my myth-suitcase? :) |
| [22:47:33] | rhollan: | no, you are packing because I am off-topic, no? |
| [22:47:42] | Beirdo: | hehe,no |
| [22:47:47] | rhollan: | ok, then. |
| [22:47:52] | Beirdo: | I'm packing so I can fly back home tomorrow |
| [22:47:54] | kormoc: | Wow, touchy... |
| [22:48:22] | Beirdo: | and hopefully be checking in a FEW patches I need to test :) |
| [22:48:29] | rhollan: | the problem is that I tried to wrap mythweb vvia PLAIN HTTP auth, and protect that in HTTPS. |
| [22:48:38] | rhollan: | This allows remote access. |
| [22:49:20] | rhollan: | All well and good... except passing the .m3u URL to play music to the external player (totem on ubuntu) fails because it does not get the persistent authentication information for the session. |
| [22:49:35] | kormoc: | so remove the auth requirement on the stream url? |
| [22:51:03] | rhollan: | kormoc: I guess, but then one who can guess my music IDs can stream my music to themselves... not sure the RIAA would like that kind of "sharing". |
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| [22:51:31] | rhollan: | I was thinking of mythmusic adding short-lived cookies to the URIs it spits out. |
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| [23:26:16] | rhollan: | hmmm... docs for totem talk about asking for authentication when necessary. |
| [23:26:31] | rhollan: | I have totem 2.32.x and there's a 2.90.x avail. |
| [23:26:42] | rhollan: | unfortunately the release notes aren't clear WHICH version added auth support. |
| [23:26:53] | rhollan: | So I will try to build 2.90 from source |
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| [23:35:07] | clever: | rhollan: there was a reason the default mythweb config for apache had an extra bit of config to disable auth for music streaming, half the app's out there cant do it right |
| [23:35:36] | rhollan: | clever: yeah, I figured that. |
| [23:36:20] | rhollan: | Trouble is that I have services behind apache on port 80 to handle web-based email and they handle authentication (via an LDAP interface to a mysql backend). |
| [23:36:56] | rhollan: | So, if I want to permit mythweb then I either have to restrict it to the LAN without auth, or require Auth to enable remote access. |
| [23:37:18] | rhollan: | Which is actually WAY cool for streaming TV from my cable box through the internet to myself at work.... not that I'd ever do that. :-) |
| [23:38:04] | rhollan: | thing is totem is supposed to prompt for HTTP auth after 2.29 and I'm running 2.30, so I don't know what the problem is. |
| [23:39:04] | clever: | rhollan: the auth can be configured on a per-directory basis |
| [23:39:26] | clever: | so you can keep the webmail locked down without having to lock mythweb up so much |
| [23:39:52] | rhollan: | clever: sure, and I do that (since the other services do their own auth), but for remote access I'd WANT to lock music down... don't want the RIAA busting my a$$ for "sharing". |
| [23:41:30] | rhollan: | but I WOULD like to stream my music to myself at work. |
| [23:42:16] | rhollan: | man dpkg |
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| [23:50:48] | NightMonkey: | rhollan: I use zina for personal music streaming. Works well. |
| [23:51:30] | NightMonkey: | rhollan: I do have it behind HTTP auth, however. But audacious can handle that. |
| [23:54:15] | rhollan: | NightMonkey: well, since it's the client side that's the problem, audacious would be the tool to use instead of totem. The next problem is getting firefox to associate audio/mpegurl with the audacious external helper. |
| [23:54:23] | rhollan: | unless it is available as a plugin |
| [23:54:49] | rhollan: | I can't find an explicit audio/mpegurl association in firefox config anywher. |
| [23:54:53] | rhollan: | anywhere. |
| [23:56:07] | NightMonkey: | rhollan: I use mediaplayerconnectiviy plugin to handle that. |
| [23:56:55] | rhollan: | NightMonkey: sure but how to you tell firefox the association? It wants to do it the first time it sees a MIME type it understands, but then there is no way to dissociate it. |
| [23:57:17] | rhollan: | s/understands/doesn't understand/ |
| [23:57:45] | rhollan: | IOW, there is no place for me to edit or even delete an association with audio/mpegurl |
| [23:57:55] | kormoc: | Preferences -> Applications |
| [23:58:09] | kormoc: | that's where all the associations are in firefox |
| [23:58:28] | NightMonkey: | rhollan: Rather than wrestle with that, I'd just export bookmarks, make a new profile, import bookmarks, add extensions/themes I like, done. |
| [23:58:40] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:58:58] | rhollan: | kormoc: I tried that. There is no association with audio/mpegurl, or at least the name isn't clear. I checked about:plugins and STILL don't see anything for audio/mpegurl. |
| [23:59:09] | kormoc: | rhollan, about:config |
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