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Wednesday, July 14th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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mzb:

is it possible to use mouse position (relative) for ff/rew and/or timestretch?

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[R]:

you mean like gestures?

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mzb:

no, I'm moving from a python+wii combo to wminput alone

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mzb:

hoping to find a way to map (say) B+roll to ff/rew

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[R]:

so like gestures...

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mzb:

afaict, I can map accelerometer to abs or rel mouse

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[R]:

anything is possible

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[R]:

its open source...

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

yeah, thanks

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mzb:

let me rephrase

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mzb:

is there _CURRENTLY_ any support for mouse/joystick absolute or relative positioning?

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mzb:

(to map to events, etc)

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wagnerrp:

no

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[R]:

i know theres some kind of joystick support

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[R]:

dunno what it does

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wagnerrp:

gestures and button presses only

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wagnerrp:

joystick.... i dont know how that works

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[R]:

i think its just like remote probably

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[R]:

up down select and such

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mzb:

so what's a 'gesture' ?

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wagnerrp:

click and drag in a direction

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mzb:

sounds like what I want, right?

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wagnerrp:

it currently supports 8-way, and you can chain two directions

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wagnerrp:

for a total of 11 possible gestures

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mzb:

ie: if button B + roll to the right equates to "click + drag right"

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wagnerrp:

and yes, 8x8=64, but theres a bug that causes most gestures to be mapped to 'Up'

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mzb:

hehe

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you here?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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ekristen:

ack, I think I just found what I was looking for --- mythtv python api documentation

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ekristen:

http://wiki.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Python_Bindings <-- that the only documentation for your python bindings?

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mzb:

hmm ... I think I've got roll+click .... but key editor isn't recognising it

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wagnerrp:

ekristen: that, plus the built in documentation accessible through the interpreter

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: I am still new to python could you explain the built in docs?

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mzb:

I'll restart the FE

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wagnerrp:

run 'mythpython' and then 'help(MythDB)' or 'help(some_other_class_or_object)'

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ekristen:

ah I didn't download that file .. one sec let me grab it from the repo

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wagnerrp:

it was added to 0.23-fixes very recently

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ekristen:

yeah I see t

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ekristen:

see it*

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have that, you can just do 'python', and 'from MythTV import *'

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ekristen:

threw an error

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ekristen:

ah looks like I am missing the mysqldb module

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mzb:

hmm ... maybe not ... it's not selecting menu entries

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ekristen:

hrm just installed py-mysql and still get "ImportError: No module named MySQLdb"

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wagnerrp:

then install MySQLdb

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wagnerrp:

apparently py-mysql is something different

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wagnerrp:

py-mysql is a MySQL access module written in pure python

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wagnerrp:

MySQLdb is a first party one written in C

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: looks like I am going to have to compile that library, thanks for the help, must run for now

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ekristen:

again I appreciate your assistance

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wagnerrp:

oh? should come with nearly all distros

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ekristen:

its not on my mac

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ekristen:

and its not in mac ports

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ekristen:

from what I can tell

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wagnerrp:

oh, OSX... dont know about that one

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ekristen:

besides I have to include any libraries that aren't by default installed by Boxee

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ekristen:

thanks, I'll probably hit you up for help again in the near distant future ;)

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ekristen:

night

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kormoc:

he's likely using the system python and not the ports one, as py-mysql is the right package

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wagnerrp:

well there is a 'pymysql', that is not the right one

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kormoc:

py-mysql maps to http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python

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wagnerrp:

that sure is the right one...

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kormoc:

OS X ships with a system python and mac-ports doesn't over-ride that by default, he needs to change his path to pull from the mac ports one

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Beirdo:

sphery: feel free to attack #7778

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Beirdo:

I can't test squat until I'm back in Seattle

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mzb:

ok, I've got mouse and joystick functional (in X), and I've fiddled with joystickmenurc but it's not what I want

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mzb:

how do I configure/use gestures?

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wagnerrp:

same as you do any other key bindings

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mzb:

um, so click+drag?

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mzb:

do I have to click in a particular position?

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wagnerrp:

yep, if you watch the frontend logs, you should see them registering

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mzb:

ah, ok

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mzb:

logs currently 'none' ;)

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mzb:

ok, appears to be registering a gesture, but then it's waiting for a select (or something)

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mzb:

ie: 'Gesture: Left', 'Got data on select' ... but then it goes back to 'Waiting on select..'

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wagnerrp:

'select'... meaning some form of socket access?

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mzb:

no idea

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mzb:

I can 'pull' gestures until the cows come home, but the screen still 'Waiting for key press'

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mzb:

pressing a key simply asks if I want the key added (rather than the gesture)

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clever:

i'm guessing its like the lirc config, bind Gestures to keys

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wagnerrp:

well i cant claim to have actually used them

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wagnerrp:

just knew they existed

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mzb:

clever, yeah, if it was just that then I'd simply use the joystickmenurc to have ff/rew sticky

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mzb:

but the problem there is that 'winding back' doesn't reduce the effect

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mzb:

I've tried overlapping ranges, everything I can think of but I can't get to the point where say:

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mzb:

10deg roll == ff 3x, 23deg roll = ff5x, 90deg roll= .... and so on

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mzb:

which myth_py_wii.py _was_ doing for me

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mzb:

did an upgrade late last night and that stopped working for me

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mzb:

also don't like the way it talks through the network socket ... and occasionally drops out

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mzb:

with wminput it looks a lot better (so far)

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mzb:

but I don't have some of the nice(r) features I'd got used to

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** mzb tries 'BTN_RIGHT' **

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mzb:

nope

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mzb:

grr

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** mzb tries rgreping the source ;) **

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mzb:

make that the db

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mzb:

nope

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mzb:

I give up

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Rebecca:

hey peoples, me again

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Rebecca:

i was wondering if mythtv can be configured for serial console keyboard type input

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womble:

Rebecca: Sure, why not?

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Rebecca:

i ask because ill be using an arduino for my IR receiving hardware

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womble:

Sounds like monster overkill, but probably a fun hardware hacking project.

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Rebecca:

and since it appears to the system as a USB serial device.. that seems like the simplest way

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Rebecca:

yeah, possibly overkill :)

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Rebecca:

although.. as an alternative, im wondering; can you control a mythtv frontend via CLI commands just as well as via a keyboard?

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womble:

Yes, there's a wiki page about that somewhere... a telnetish interface.

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Rebecca:

ahhhh, awesome

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Rebecca:

okay, that should mean i have a plan B too :D

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Rebecca:

plan C is gutting the chip from a USB keyboard and emulating the keyboard matrix using the arduino

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clever:

Rebecca: plan D would be the I-PAC (http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html), basicaly they did half the work for you

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clever:

its basicaly a 'gutted' usb (or ps2) keyboard with terminal blocks to connect your own buttons to

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clever:

could hide a few buttons in under the fabric of the couch and kick/elbow it in just the right place to skip comercials!

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Rebecca:

clever: cool, i suppose that would work in a bind, thanks :)

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clever:

Rebecca: since its not matrix based, it would be alot simpler to interface with, though id stick with the telnet method

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justinh:

Grrr. Program FOO is not in PAT. seeing a lot of that. Cheers, frickin Freeview :-\

[07:13:48]

justinh:

lineup hasn't changed so why the need to rescan? :(

[07:17:36]

justinh:

somebody really needs to get the linux dvb drivers to standardise their numbers, too

[07:18:02]

justinh:

meh. found 38 off-air channels. yeah fine. but WHAT ARE THEY?

[07:19:00]

justinh:

set to manually sort em out... oo.. and there's more incomprehensible mumbo jumbo

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justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/img/e9NrRKA.png – I mean honestly...

[07:23:53]

justinh:

sigh. and now some LCNs have an underscore in them

[07:26:32]

justinh:

starting to feel like the one scanner fits all needs re-examining

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justinh:

and a POX on encrippled services not marked as encrippled!

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smegzor:

My mythtv frontend started seg faulting. The backend is on the same pc. Nothing changed that I am aware of. Updates are disabled. What do I need to do to fix it?

[07:36:52]

justinh:

oh wait now. yeah the lineup has changed. we now get Al Jizz

[07:37:18]

justinh:

smegzor: find out why it's segfaulting. what are you doing when it segfaults?

[07:37:55]

smegzor:

nothing else. it also does it after a full reboot.

[07:38:00]

justinh:

btw the only way to diagnose segfaults is to get mythtv with debugging support enabled – which might involve changing packages or compiling it yourself. all methods will involve running mythfrontend under gdb

[07:38:39]

** justinh goes back to sorting out the stupid Freeview channels **

[07:38:42]

smegzor:

its been going great for months. I added a 2nd tuner almost a week ago. its been using both tuners without issue for a few days.

[07:39:21]

smegzor:

gdb?

[07:39:44]

justinh:

yes gdb

[07:39:56]

smegzor:

what is gdb?

[07:40:21]

justinh:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gdb

[07:40:47]

smegzor:

:P

[07:41:21]

smegzor:

hmm.. that looks like a lot of work. I was hoping for a simple fix :(

[07:41:32]

smegzor:

..like nuking some settings

[07:41:50]

justinh:

is it just me or has the number of absolute junk channels increased? Only by channels I actually mean stupid placeholders & MHEG streams

[07:42:06]

justinh:

nope. if you get segfaults it usually means something is seriously wrong

[07:42:44]

justinh:

if you've not changed anything – and you're absolutely sure of the fact – then I'd be pointing the finger at something else. Like memory

[07:43:20]

justinh:

or something else related to your hardware

[07:43:42]

justinh:

doing stuff which worked before & is suddenly producing segfaults doesn't seem to me to be a software issue

[07:44:29]

smegzor:

hmm.. i have 4 gigs and haven't touched the hardware. what fun!

[07:44:57]

justinh:

even changing a setting should'nt be making mythfrontend crash

[07:44:58]

smegzor:

I looked at the log, but didn't get much from it so far.

[07:45:17]

justinh:

not changed any settings lately?

[07:45:35]

justinh:

since you added the other tuner – not that doing that would've involved changing any frontend settings

[07:45:45]

smegzor:

definitely not. hmm.. would completely uninstalling and reinstalling help?

[07:46:12]

justinh:

more than likely not

[07:46:16]

smegzor:

other computers on the lan which are only frontends have no trouble watching live tv and recordings.

[07:46:25]

justinh:

this isn't windows now

[07:46:31]

smegzor:

heh

[07:46:50]

justinh:

reinstalling, like rebooting & reformatting.. solves little in linux

[07:47:18]

smegzor:

that depends. a complete reinstall means losing all settings as well.

[07:47:23]

justinh:

unless your filesystem is corrupted.. but even then reinstalling won't necessarily help

[07:47:39]

justinh:

I'm telling you a setting shouldn't be making mythfrontend segfault

[07:47:43]

smegzor:

it is possible that it is due for a fcsk

[07:47:46]

justinh:

and anyway you've not changed any seeings

[07:47:53]

justinh:

settings I mean

[07:48:00]

justinh:

they don't change themselves

[07:48:10]

smegzor:

lies! :)

[07:48:16]

justinh:

how far does mythfrontend get?

[07:48:42]

smegzor:

i get a blue screen :O and the log has quite a bit of activity before 2 lines of a warning.

[07:48:56]

justinh:

oh btw, and when it comes to examining your logs, let US be the judge of what looks important ;-)

[07:49:02]

smegzor:

I'll fetch one of the lines. brb

[07:49:20]

justinh:

no, let's see the whole thing in a pastebin. not just what you think is relevant

[07:49:25]

justinh:

days have been wasted that way before

[07:49:38]

justinh:

for the extra time it takes it pays dividends

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smegzor:

http://pastebin.org/394243

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justinh:

whoah

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smegzor:

I'm running it on Ubuntu 64bit dual core with 4 gigs ram. the cpu is not taxed.

[07:52:01]

justinh:

the stuff about pixmaps is worrying

[07:52:21]

smegzor:

any idea what it means?

[07:52:41]

justinh:

I'm also concerned about the 'mount' line in there too

[07:52:43]

smegzor:

the log from 2 days back had nothing about them

[07:52:59]

justinh:

what's supposed to be on /dev/sdd ?

[07:53:12]

smegzor:

nothing as far as I know

[07:53:18]

justinh:

you sure?

[07:53:23]

smegzor:

thats usually a memory stick yes?

[07:53:31]

justinh:

not necessarily

[07:53:54]

justinh:

/dev/sdX can be any kind of storage these days

[07:54:36]

justinh:

I really hate how there's no differentiation between bus types in linux.. yeah I know it's got something to do with the 'scsi' driver but even so...

[07:54:44]

smegzor:

My backend is supposed to be using a folder in my home partition, but it also records to a default mythtv folder in my root.

[07:55:39]

justinh:

what for?

[07:55:40]

smegzor:

the drives in my pc have not changed in a long time.

[07:55:49]

justinh:

for recordings? what other plugins do you have?

[07:56:11]

justinh:

next trick – it'll be mega verbose but try running mythfrontend with -v all

[07:56:15]

justinh:

that might provide more clues

[07:56:25]

justinh:

pastebin the result of that

[07:56:50]

smegzor:

Only 'plugin' is mythweb. I did have mytharchive installed until yesterday.

[07:56:56]

smegzor:

ok there was 1 change.. that.

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justinh:

I love how all these people say "but I didn't change anything".. and then it emerges that they did. LOL

[07:58:14]

justinh:

that's probably not relevant in this case. uninstalling a plugin shouldn't cause this

[07:58:42]

justinh:

WTH is 'TMTV' anyway?

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smegzor:

:P I'll have to pipe the output. brb

[07:59:27]

justinh:

meh. another 'adult' channel. grrr. DELETE

[08:03:00]

smegzor:

http://pastebin.org/394268

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smegzor:

The last few lines were tacked on by me. They didn't get piped with the rest for some reason.

[08:04:46]

justinh:

there's still more missing

[08:04:51]

smegzor:

hmm.. that pastebin doesn't have all the paste

[08:05:00]

smegzor:

I think my paste was too big

[08:05:50]

justinh:

ok then.. try 500 lines back from the end, to the end then :)

[08:06:15]

smegzor:

ok

[08:07:24]

smegzor:

http://pastebin.org/394289

[08:08:22]

justinh:

lol still none the wiser

[08:08:32]

smegzor:

me neither.

[08:08:37]

justinh:

so what IS /dev/sdd ?

[08:08:54]

smegzor:

no idea. its never come up before.

[08:09:07]

smegzor:

oh wait..

[08:09:07]

justinh:

do you even have a /dev/sdd ?

[08:09:30]

smegzor:

I just now unplugged the printer. its one of those fancy jobs with various card readers.

[08:09:38]

justinh:

my guess is that mythfrontend's media monitor is looking in there.. or trying to

[08:09:42]

smegzor:

I suspect its referring to that

[08:09:51]

womble:

The fourth SCSI disk device detected by the kernel.

[08:09:54]

justinh:

it still shouldn't segfault if it doesn't find it though

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justinh:

womble: oh yeah very helpful

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smegzor:

I'll re-run the frontend now

[08:10:27]

smegzor:

its 100% working again.. the printer was the problem

[08:10:58]

smegzor:

that printer is a pile of poo. its an HP. I heard they have good support in Linux. Well not mine!

[08:11:22]

smegzor:

It is a HP Photosmart 7450

[08:11:23]

justinh:

smegzor: no, mythfrontend *really* has a problenm

[08:11:33]

justinh:

it really shouldn't be crashing because of that

[08:11:51]

smegzor:

oh well. thanks for helping me find the cause :D

[08:12:18]

justinh:

do you have mythgallery installed?

[08:12:29]

smegzor:

the printer is unplugged most of the time. otherwise this would have come up already.

[08:12:32]

smegzor:

no

[08:12:36]

justinh:

mythvideo?

[08:12:38]

smegzor:

no plugins installed

[08:12:46]

smegzor:

I did have once. all removed.

[08:13:04]

justinh:

yeah well once installed, the settings don't get removed

[08:13:13]

justinh:

they'll still be there in the database

[08:13:37]

smegzor:

I tried them, found they were only good for the pc they were installed on (no network access) so I tossed them.

[08:14:27]

smegzor:

I'm a database programmer. I wish my databases could do so much just from a few table changes! :)

[08:14:49]

justinh:

if you can find out where mythfrontend is getting /dev/sdd from it'll help

[08:15:08]

justinh:

you found the fix, but it'd help everybody if you can find the cause

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smegzor:

hmm.. I'll see what I can do. the offending 'memory stick' never has worked in my Ubuntu. The card reader lights up, but no card ever inserted mounts.

[08:16:28]

smegzor:

the only way I can read cards is to plug them into my camera and plug that in to the pc directly.

[08:16:31]

justinh:

stuff like SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value LIKE "%dev%";

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smegzor:

I'll look in a minute. My family are wanting me. brb

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justinh:

kk

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justinh:

oh Thunderbird, you turd. Print out an email.. fine. Do not also try to print the attachments. 21 pages of a .hex file. You muppet

[08:20:17]

smegzor:

back

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smegzor:

I'm dumping the database so I run a search on it.

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justinh:

plan

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justinh:

I suspect mythfrontend's media monitor – something might've autodetected removable media in there – maybe mythgallery – and now mythfrontend is looking there & borking

[08:24:10]

justinh:

like I said though – uninstalling plugins shouldn't leave a trail of breakage :)

[08:24:16]

smegzor:

hmm.. i'm assuming the database has any answers. should I grep mythtv files themselves?

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justinh:

there'll not be anything hard-coded to look at /dev/sdd

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justinh:

blimmin well hope not anyway! ;-)

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smegzor:

I found nothing unexpected searching the dump for /dev and sdd came up empty

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justinh:

weird

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smegzor:

a search for /dev only found the tuner devices and the dvd/cd

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justinh:

can you check the settings table for this? select * from settings where value="MonitorDrives"; ?

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smegzor:

('MonitorDrives', '1', 'Beast'),

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justinh:

and is Beast the hostname of the machine where you've had mythfrontend crash?

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smegzor:

yep

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justinh:

right. go into mythfrontend, utils/setup > settings > general... then keep going NEXT til the Media Monitor page. untick the box

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smegzor:

brb foned

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justinh:

then go all the way to finish, plug in the printer again & restart mythfrontend

[08:33:38]

justinh:

really gonna need a backtrace for this still though, ideally

[08:35:14]

justinh:

I'm still surprised there was literally NO verbose output before it tried to mount your removable drive though

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justinh:

hmm it should really have output VERBOSE there

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justinh:

wonder if VB_MEDIA is actually included in ALL

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justinh:

yup. VB_MEDIA is 0x00800000, all is 0xFFFFFFFF

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smegzor:

I'm going to lurk for a bit. I have to create a website. I'll be back in 10 minutes.

[08:41:41]

justinh:

anyway if mythfrontend no longer crashes when monitor devices is set to 0 and the printer is plugged in, the fault is in mythmedia monitor

[08:41:53]

justinh:

k? :)

[08:42:13]

smegzor:

when I'm back I'll plug in the hated printer and verbose the stuffing out of mythtv.

[08:42:41]

justinh:

smegzor: if -v all didn't tell us, there's nought we can do really

[08:43:07]

justinh:

just try my suggestion about changing the media monitoring setting & if that fixes it, we know where the problem lies :)

[08:43:14]

smegzor:

k

[08:43:38]

justinh:

btw you need to restart mythfrontend to see a change in that setting

[08:43:51]

justinh:

so change the setting, go all the way to FINISH, restart mythfrontend

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smegzor:

Where do I find the media monitoring setting?

[08:49:29]

smegzor:

Didn't see it in general

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justinh:

oh it's there alright

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justinh:

page 1254 or so ;)

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justinh:

mythfrontend, utils/setup > settings > general

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justinh:

I'll count which page it is hang on

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smegzor:

oh in frontend? I'm in the backend.. oops

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justinh:

oops. utils/setup > setup > general > page 7

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justinh:

untick the box, click next next next til you get to finish, click finish then restart mythfrontend :)

[08:53:17]

smegzor:

done.. testing

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smegzor:

its working. re-ticking the box, rinse repeat

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justinh:

there at least should've been VERBOSE output for it monitoring removable devices though, and I didn't see it in your pastebins

[08:54:27]

justinh:

and anyway I thought the monitoring was in its own thread

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smegzor:

its broken again

[08:55:19]

smegzor:

this time I only had the monitor media ticked, not the 2nd tickbox, use media. its broken just with monitor media ticked

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justinh:

but without it ticked it's fine yeah?

[08:56:03]

justinh:

I mean without it ticked but with the printer plugged in – and with it ticked and without the printer plugged in it's fine ?

[08:57:13]

smegzor:

yes. if its not ticked, it works with and without the printer (which is a usb device) plugged in. ticked it only works when the printer is not plugged in. printer is on all the time.

[08:57:21]

smegzor:

turned on that is.

[08:57:37]

smegzor:

it has no 'working' off switch. its a software switch.

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justinh:

right. so the issue is def. with the mediamonitor then :)

[08:58:33]

justinh:

though opening a ticket without a backtrace to attach to it is kinda futile

[08:59:22]

justinh:

might still be worth it though if you explain how the removable device doesn't even *work* in linux anyway – it's just *seen*

[09:01:22]

smegzor:

I'll sort that in a bit. thanks again for your help.

[09:01:45]

justinh:

np :)

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Dassu:

how should I use fetch_poster.py if I want that poster to be activated under mythvideo?

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rileyp:

can i use my macbook to put myth recodings on my ipod

[10:08:30]

justinh:

normally just pressing W with the title selected is enough

[10:08:47]

justinh:

rileyp: I dunno. what would a macbook have anything to do with it?

[10:09:44]

rileyp:

well I have a macbook and i was wonderring if it would be easier than using mythexport as i havent installed mythexport yet

[10:10:01]

justinh:

Dassu: oh wait, image grabbing is broken in most distros' current version due to a web redirect not being handled in mythfrontend's code

[10:10:18]

justinh:

never even heard of mythexport. must be some mythbuntu thing

[10:10:40]

rileyp:

yep it is

[10:10:55]

justinh:

iTunes *can* convert videos to ipod formats AFAIK, but it's a big pain

[10:11:34]

justinh:

but then anything involving itunes & syncing is a big pain

[10:11:35]

Dassu:

justinh: I would like to do that under cmd line

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Dassu:

*on

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justinh:

Dassu: you can't

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Dassu:

Wat

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justinh:

not as far as I know

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rileyp:

ok then i wont even bother looking at it

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Dassu:

Therewas a way to do it in 0.21

[10:12:08]

Dassu:

find_meta.py

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justinh:

Dassu: why can't you use the GUI anyway?

[10:12:21]

justinh:

or JAMU?

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Dassu:

justinh: I see no reason for it since I can easily fetch posters automatically

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justinh:

so why don't you then?

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Dassu:

The purpose for the poster is to identify the movie before reading the name. Downloading it manually kinda defeats the purpose

[10:13:37]

justinh:

so USE JAMU

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Dassu:

hmnm

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Dassu:

JAMU

[10:14:02]

** Dassu checks that out **

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justinh:

oh and make darn sure you read the docs on JAMU, or it won't work as expected

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Dassu:

kk

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rileyp:

are you the man behind ipodexport.pl

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rileyp:

justinh?

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justinh:

I dunno. Am I?

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justinh:

I've written a whole bunch of scripts

[10:16:52]

justinh:

hahaha yes I did write that one

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justinh:

prolly doesn't work anymore since ffmpeg changed their commandline args

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rileyp:

ok so will ipodexport.pl work with karmic and lucid?

[10:17:22]

rileyp:

lol that was my next question

[10:17:59]

justinh:

ffmpeg on ubuntu is crippled by default. muh muh muh patents, muh muh no mp3 or xvid, muh muh muh

[10:18:19]

rileyp:

so would you know what mythtv-users are usig to put recordings onto their iphones and ipods?

[10:18:44]

justinh:

I've no idea, and to tell the blunt truth I don't care

[10:19:08]

rileyp:

or would it be like a tough gig at moment....hmmm sounds like it

[10:19:30]

justinh:

having looked up mythexport that's exactly what you need

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rileyp:

ok so if i cant find a guide for karmic or latter i leave in the too hard basket as im not uber linux just yet

[10:20:43]

rileyp:

ok ill have a crack at mythexport if i find a recent guide

[10:21:02]

justinh:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/MythExport

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justinh:

looks easy enough

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justinh:

heh there are even packages of it

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justinh:

and mythimport

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rileyp:

thnaks justinh Ill have a go later on tonight when mrs stops watching tv an i can zone on the couch in comfort

[10:24:47]

justinh:

I have a supreme hatred of all things Apple since the last time I tried to sync my wife's ipod for her

[10:24:56]

justinh:

I can see why the ones with massive storage are so popular

[10:25:08]

justinh:

just put *everything* on there!

[10:25:45]

justinh:

everytime I've got itunes to sync to her ipod it's been entirely by mistake. nothing works as expected or documented

[10:28:07]

justinh:

why the hell they didn't just make it drag & droppable is anybody's guess. even Sony's risible NetMD software is easier to use

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curtlee:

My cable company just switched to all digital line up yesterday :) but I have to type in the xmltvids manually and schedulesdirect.org is halfway down :(. Can't look at the xmltvids some other way?

[11:40:37]

curtlee:

*Can I look

[11:41:57]

justinh:

not really as far as I know

[11:42:07]

justinh:

we really need this kind of thing wizardised

[11:42:15]

justinh:

but that's gonna be a lot of work for a few people

[11:42:43]

justinh:

and it'll need to be maintained.. and it'd be best if the info is kept online so people always get the most up to date info...

[11:43:21]

justinh:

we have to do pretty much the same here in the UK. No SD here but still no digital channels get allocated xmltvids by default

[11:44:20]

curtlee:

well, I hope Tribune fixes the problem soon so schedulesdirect.org is back up to 100% working.

[11:45:28]

justinh:

they get paid for their data so I'd expect they feel obliged to fix it ;)

[11:46:21]

curtlee:

It found the call sign of each channel, but didn't associate them with a xmltvid

[11:48:03]

curtlee:

I don't mind at all typing the xmltvids in manually one time. I just had back luck that the portion of the site I need to see is down.

[11:49:42]

justinh:

yeah well a wizard would be much better for everybody, every time :)

[11:50:26]

justinh:

now if xmltvids didn't ever change (and in all likelihood they don't for SD users) everything could just be hard-coded

[11:50:41]

dewman:

or even some sort of file that came from sd after you created your line up that could just be inserted into the db...

[11:50:57]

justinh:

but at least in the UK channels die, or are dropped from our xmltv feed – thereby mucking up any hard-coding

[11:51:19]

justinh:

oh right. just fix it for SD users. I see :-\

[11:51:36]

curtlee:

hahahha

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curtlee:

a wizard would be nice

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dewman:

wagnerrp the wizard

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curtlee:

I am just really impressed with what mythtv already has

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justinh:

mind, with sights already set on making mythtv-setup entirely web based I'm not sure what mileage there'd be in making a wiz for the existing GUI

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dewman:

its not really a big deal to manually enter that stuff in, but I think its a pretty big hurdle when someone is trying to get the software up and going.

[11:54:16]

justinh:

yup, and you're not the only one to acknowledge the fact

[11:54:35]

justinh:

although somebody could quite easily code up a bunch of scripts to do this

[11:54:45]

justinh:

it just has to be made, tested, hosted...

[11:54:57]

justinh:

and integrated :)

[11:57:26]

justinh:

wonder if the xmltvids are generated by SD or tribune themselves

[11:58:10]

justinh:

problems can come in where broadcasters don't use absolutely the right name for channels too

[11:58:26]

justinh:

so any wiz or script would have to be interactive to a degree

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justinh:

doesn't help when the likes of Freeview over here don't even name channels... "ITV" was actually something else like "ITV4".. how the heck people are expected to know that is beyond me

[12:00:09]

curtlee:

hahahha

[12:00:49]

curtlee:

what service do you get your tv programming data from?

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justinh:

RadioTimes.com :)

[12:01:10]

justinh:

they kindly provide an xmltv feed free of charge

[12:01:29]

justinh:

and it includes all the UK TV channels worth watching :)

[12:01:33]

curtlee:

that is nice

[12:01:54]

justinh:

dunno how long it'll continue. BBC Worldwide are considering selling it

[12:02:05]

curtlee:

it used to be free here with zap2it

[12:02:22]

justinh:

yeah til certain people started abusing their generosity

[12:02:50]

justinh:

a handful of people/companies spoiled it for everybody

[12:02:57]

curtlee:

but I don't mind paying the small fee per year now

[12:03:32]

justinh:

$20 is less than a quarter what I spend on an average night out :)

[12:03:43]

curtlee:

hahahahha yes

[12:04:11]

justinh:

all those 2 fingers of JD add up ya know

[12:04:48]

curtlee:

I love this line "Only available to natural persons (no corporations)."

[12:05:23]

curtlee:

why the hell is a corporation a legal person in the US??? hahahha

[12:08:27]

curtlee:

I might have thought of a way to get the xmlid's

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curtlee:

I will remove my channels, then add from my subscribtion

[12:09:51]

curtlee:

then I can save the list on mythweb

[12:12:23]

curtlee:

add the sd channels that don't exist anymore is what I mean

[12:15:35]

curtlee:

hahahhahahah IT WORKED

[12:19:10]

curtlee:

justinh, I appreciate the chat. I don't think I would have thought of doing that if I wasn't here chatting about it.

[12:23:37]

dewman:

curtlee, how did you add from your subscription? I'm curious...

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curtlee:

I just added the sd channels by typing my userid and password then pressing the button is 'fetch channels from listings source'

[12:29:45]

curtlee:

on my input connection

[12:30:12]

curtlee:

but that doesn't work since I don't have those sd channels anymore

[12:30:40]

curtlee:

I just wanted a list of the channel names, numbers, and xmlids

[12:31:31]

curtlee:

*xmltvids

[12:35:24]

curtlee:

it would be nice if mythtv would map that data to my new channels

[12:36:35]

curtlee:

but when you scan for channels, it doesn't get the xmltvids from the listing source

[12:37:21]

curtlee:

it just added the channels with the xmltvid left blank

[12:42:36]

curtlee:

It would be nice is mythtv would just match the Channel Names to the Channel Names givin by the listing source to get the xmltvid. The Channel Names are exactly the same as the listing source.

[12:43:32]

justinh:

doesn't always work, that

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justinh:

since channel names != channel names != channel names etc

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dewman:

o ok. I thought you figured out a magical way to speed up the process. =)

[12:45:09]

curtlee:

I have moved around a few times and schedulesdirect.org's data seems to be perfect

[12:45:53]

dewman:

Yeah, I modify all the channels in mythweb. The problem that I have is all the music channels get found as duplicates, since there is 50 music channels, I didnt want to send hours trying to figure those out, but it would be nice to be able to record some of the music.

[12:46:20]

dewman:

send/spend

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justinh:

I tried recording a few music channels when I 1st installed mythtv

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justinh:

I grabbed 4 hours of each one, thinking it'd get me a good selection. LOL. How wrong I could've been

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curtlee:

even now that I live on campus and my channel line up is a little different from the town, schedulesdirect.org's data is correct with my campus zipcode

[12:47:01]

dewman:

bunch of stuff that you would never listen to?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

bunch of stuff I'd never listen to, repeated profusely

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dewman:

over and over and over again..

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: dont forget about that file hashing

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I am not sure what you are referring to.

[13:38:25]

wagnerrp:

'movie genre by symlinks'

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wagnerrp:

file hashing means only one of those symlinks will show up in mythvideo's folder view

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: aah. When I wrote the response I forgot they title mentioned symlinks and thought they really wanted a way to reorg their collection. You make a valid point.

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wagnerrp:

luckily mythvideo has a 'genre view', automatically sorted by genre

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tv-freak1:

All my EPG/EIT data have disappeared (during my holiday). Last time I had problems a rescan (<scan ...fi-... channels.conf>) helped but not this time. Only error in terminal is related to TELETEXT. Using 0.23 with Lucid Lynx and Afatech AF9015 DVB-T USB2.0 stick.

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tv-freak1:

Interestingly, I just found out from messages log: kernel: [ 51.636067] mythfilldatabas[1753]: segfault at 682454e7 ip 05b23507 sp b69abcc0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.6.2[5ac2000+276000]

[13:43:54]

wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase has nothing to do with the channel scanner

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wagnerrp:

that only provides guide data

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wagnerrp:

if possible, could you provide a traceback from that segfault?

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Twiggy2cents:

quick question. I set up a command in a userjob(found on internet) to run nuvexport --mencoder --nice 8 something="%FILE%" It names the movies in a format like this %t_-__00_(07).14.avi

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Twiggy2cents:

Is that a problem with my nuvexportrc or the command I gave mythtv?

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tv-freak1:

From my mythfrontend's System status there is three yellow points (my translations): # No programme data available. # Has mythfilldatabase-programme run? # Warning: is mythfilldatabase running?

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wagnerrp:

are you using EIT? or xmltv?

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tv-freak1:

I have to check that...

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wagnerrp:

EIT is the scheduling data transmitted by the broadcaster

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wagnerrp:

xmltv is the kind of data mythfilldatabase reprocesses

[13:48:03]

wagnerrp:

if you are using EIT, you have no need for MFD

[13:48:22]

wagnerrp:

you mentioned that your 'EIT data have disappeared'

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tv-freak1:

Yes, I suppose I'm using EIT. I don't remember where is that setting.

[13:56:18]

wagnerrp:

anyway, if MFD is crashing, we cant help you without a traceback

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tv-freak1:

How can I traceback? By the way, the setting "Use DVB-card for active EIT-search" does not make any difference. My Me-TV programme shows my EIT data ok.

[14:01:25]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to pull up the core dump from your previous segfault

[14:02:04]

wagnerrp:

and get a traceback from that

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MrGandalf:

does anyone know of a good h264 stream analyzer for linux? I'm trying to debug an issue I'm seeing with Myth's parsing of I frames.

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sphery:

tv-freak1: also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – can anyone help me understand why a previously recorded episode of show A is scheduled but not a previously recorded episode of show B?

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ThisOtherGuy:

neither has a programid and the both have unique title and subtitle and description

[15:04:06]

ThisOtherGuy:

I take that back – the description differs in A but not in B

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ThisOtherGuy:

I guess that explains it – thanks

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ThisOtherGuy:

Does anyone know where the data provider gets the show descriptions from?

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iamlindoro:

Which provider?

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iamlindoro:

There are hundreds

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ThisOtherGuy:

I use schedules direct

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iamlindoro:

Since you are in the US I'm assuming you mean Schedules Direct

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iamlindoro:

Schedules Direct liscenses guide data from Tribune Media Services

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iamlindoro:

TMS aggregates it all from all of the different providers and does all the data entry

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks! so for a specific show do you know who decides what the description is?

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iamlindoro:

TMS employs writers to write/flesh out program descriptions

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iamlindoro:

The descriptions themselves are the copyrighted property of TMS

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ThisOtherGuy:

interesting – so it's not the show writers or production company or anything – so I guess that means you will have different descriptions based on which provider you use

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wagnerrp:

correct

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ThisOtherGuy:

Do you know if it's typical for them to change the descriptions of long running shows?

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wagnerrp:

which is why repeat detection does not work well across different listing providers

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wagnerrp:

the description will be different for each episode

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wagnerrp:

unless its a generic episode

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ThisOtherGuy:

I mean for the same episode

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gbee:

does anyone know whether those Peak Dual DVB-T tuners are any good? They look a little like Nova-T 500 clones

[15:44:57]

wagnerrp:

the description from one provider for one episode should not change

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ThisOtherGuy:

e.g. I have episodes of Everybody loves raymond from 2004 that have started to re-record because the description field changed

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ThisOtherGuy:

King of Queens just started doing the same thing

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gbee:

only less hardware on-board, which makes me wonder where they are cutting corners

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ThisOtherGuy:

and I've noticed a few random episodes of That '70s show and just shoot me

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you are using the wrong duplicate matching policy, or alternately, the wrong filter method

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iamlindoro:

If you only want dupe match on subtitle, then set it to only dupe match on subtitle

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iamlindoro:

If you only want new or non-repeat episodes, set the filter to do just that

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ill leave it up to you if you want to toss this guy a couple of your video demos.... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13458 . . . ht-demo.html

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Wonder what magazine he was reading

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gbee:

Subtitle then description is my personal favourite

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ThisOtherGuy:

iamlindoro: I confirmed the changes in the db – it's definitely the listings provider changing the descriptions – hmm – I was using zap2it back in '04 so maybe that accounts for the difference? but I've been using schedulesdirect for >1 year so I'd expect to have seen this issue before now

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gbee:

zap2it and schedulesdirect use the same data source

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iamlindoro:

ThisOtherGuy: In theory the provider of the listings data with Zap2It was still TMS, but the point is you can tell it to dupe match however you want-- if you don't like what it's doing (which, IMO, is correct) you can always tell it to do otherwise

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ThisOtherGuy:

I'm not complaining – I understand how the dupe matching works (it's really up to my wife if she minds seeing the shows again) – I was just interested in the data (and the changes)

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gbee:

it's possible TMS has decided to rewrite their descriptions for some reason, or maybe it's like the RadioTimes who have the basic descriptions from the studios/channels in one database but for most things they have their in-house reviewers write more accurate ones which are stored in a second linked datbase, occasionally the second database drops offline and they start serving up the generic descriptions

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ThisOtherGuy:

gbee: Thanks

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gbee:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: http://themoviedb.lighthouseapp.com/projects/ . . . lized-titles

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gbee:

last entry, namely that the localised title issue has been fixed

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: In a few days when the cache has cleared I will test tmdb.py to make sure that the title of the specified language (-l xx) is the one returned by tmdb.py with a fall back to English. I may not need to make any changes but will verify.

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: in 2004, you were probably using the bad screen-scraped data from Zap2It using tv_grab_na . Tons of that stuff is just "coming back around" and since the XMLTV stuff from then had no programid and bad descriptions, it's all considered new. Just "Never Record" the episodes

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sphery:

I've seen a lot of that, too, from exactly that timeframe

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: interesting! I love all of the little unexpected stuff that come up as a result of running myth for so long – it's fun tweaking and playing and great that the community is so open and helpful

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: Yeah, I think of that old data as my embarrassing secret stolen data from before we had a way to get the listings properly. :)

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ThisOtherGuy:

:D

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Guest47415:

Hi guys, i was wondering if any of you knew the tvixbox form Dvico, and if it was a linux box or mythtv box even...

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iamlindoro:

They're just hardware uPnP media players, and their DVRs are just the same hardware with a very very barebones PVR software that is awful

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iamlindoro:

They will not work as myth boxes, and the only way to interface them with an existing myth box would be playing back some of your content via uPnP

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ThisOtherGuy:

does anyone have an example of how to use MythDB.searchOldRecorded() in the python bindings?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I got it

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gbee:

at first glance the only screenshots I could find of the Tvix looked like they could be mythtv, but there were some painter effects that we've yet to implement so that pretty much confirms it

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iamlindoro:

Their EPG is terrible, terrible

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iamlindoro:

Not that I am very happy with our guide widget, but it's still better

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gbee:

I've not seen the EPG, these were the screenshots I was looking at – http://www.tvix.co.kr/eng/brand/coverartUI.aspx

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gbee:

which is suspiciously close to mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Or any other coverart enabled video browser, really

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rhollan:

what ports need to be open for mythtv FE to talk to BE? So far, I've got 3306 (mysql DB on master BE), and 6543 (mythbackend). That *sorta works*, but all I can access are live TV and TV recordings — no music (kept in an SD directory, so many I need to clean up that part of FE config). I read that there is a status port? what is that? what number? Any more?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: yeah, nothing truely unique in any of it, but small details do give the impression that were it not for the transformation effect, those screenshots could easily be mythvideo/mythui

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iamlindoro:

sure

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rhollan:

For now, I have managed to access my existing BE via 3306 and 6543 on the same LAN, and from outside my internet firewall SSL tunneled using stunnel.

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rhollan:

watching HD live TV streamed through the internet from by home BE connected via 1394 to my cable box, while kind of impractical, was impressive

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gbee:

the 'details' view there ... itemdetailspopup with a 'trailer' button, I actually had to go and check that we didn't expose the trailer button in that screen

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gbee:

as themes go, it's not without mistakes, not enough room given for the title and the 'land' string should be multiline or moved left

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iamlindoro:

I had a patch to add a trailer button a while back... can't recall what came of it

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gbee:

btw, is the MEDIA directory common to most bluray discs?

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gbee:

sorry, META, not MEDIA

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rhollan:

Ah 6543 AND 6544 need to be opened.

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rhollan:

Any reason not to stunnel 3306, 6543, and 6544 for remote access?

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gbee:

contains what I'd describe as banners/fanart and an XML file describing the images, if they exist on more than just my one Bluray boxset it would be very cool to use those especially when playing off the disk

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ThisOtherGuy:

Does anyone know what the duplicate column in the oldrecorded table means? Is it "include this record when checking for duplicates"?

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: the code knows, so the GUI does the right thing

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sphery:

(but yes)

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sphery:

i.e. don't edit the DB directly, please

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sphery:

Use the Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded screen

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ThisOtherGuy:

sphery: thanks – I'm just reading (no writing)

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sphery:

or, even better, write a module for MythWeb so we can all use MythWeb to access/edit that stuff... ;)

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iamlindoro:

gbee: The folder is common, having anything there is not guaranteed

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Just looking at a few of my own disk structures and META is empty on all of them, but exists

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iamlindoro:

Still, if it's anywhere and we can use them, would be neat to do so

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iamlindoro:

what does the resolution on the images look like? Any textual metadata?

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: still need help with the bindings?

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gbee:

it's not hi-res, wouldn't work for a backdrop, and maybe for our purposes it wouldn't replace any of the existing artwork, the image (in two different sizes) on the Band of Brother disc is 640x360 (16:9) and would look good as the screenshot, let me upload so you can see what I'm talking about

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iamlindoro:

Sure... could do some neat stuff with myththemedmenu

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gbee:

heh, _exactly_ what I was thinking

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iamlindoro:

Maybe add optional imagetypes to some buttons, allow an inserted disk to display a screenshot, volume name, video preview...

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gbee:

pop in the disc and we can actually display the screenshot and disk title, so you know what's there before starting playback

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gbee:

the textual metadata in the xml is the disc name, "Band of Brothers Disc 2", some other fields but they are populated with the same text, two fields giving these as titles 5/6 which is unfortunately not accurate, Disc 2 is actually episodes 3 and 4

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gbee:

iamlindoro: indentation/formatting is mine to make it more legible – http://pastebin.com/212y73Yt

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gbee:

no idea what numSets/setNumber is

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gbee:

they've clearly been too lazy to give the correct names to each episode

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gbee:

and here is the image that's referenced, http://imagebin.ca/view/es2l-C.html

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dustybin:

if i forward / reverse tv it takes a while for the sound to catch up, am i right in thinking this has nothing to do with mythtv, this is a problem with my alsa soundcard settings?

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wagnerrp:

is an entry in oldrecorded made every time there is a match in the guide data?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yes, but they're deleted 10 days after airing unless the entry has recstatus -3 or 11

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sphery:

i.e. we only keep recorded and Never Record entries

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering about it from that latest ticket

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wagnerrp:

i never put it in, since i didnt think it was needed

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iamlindoro:

gbee: What is the name of the XML file?

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gbee:

bdmt_eng.xml it and the artwork are in a subfolder called DL

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gbee:

there are three subfolders in total, the others ES and TN are empty

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: thanks I'm good – btw – I'm the one that posted that ticket – I was getting dupes in a search because I couldn't limit by recstatus

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wagnerrp:

you could also search by custom=(('recstatus=%s',recstatus),)

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gbee:

close to having the title switching patch ready, just one small detail to sort out (it doesn't work)

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iamlindoro:

ha

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iamlindoro:

details

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iamlindoro:

We will be in darn good shape when that's in

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iamlindoro:

Any progress on the subtitle/audio language descriptors?

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: recstatus seemed like it fit in nicely with what was already there, can you explain a little more how search custom works?

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wagnerrp:

ill put recstatus in, just mentioning custom for future reference

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wagnerrp:

you give it a tuple of 2-tuples

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wagnerrp:

first being the 'where' field, second being any argument you need to pass into the 'where' field

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wagnerrp:

i have them separate so the mysql bindings properly convert the variables as needed

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gbee:

iamlindoro: haven't looked at the descriptor issue yet

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gbee:

as soon as I get the title switching working to my satisfaction I'll look at the descriptors

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: I don't see a custom() method on MythDB is it somewhere else?

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wagnerrp:

are you well versed in python?

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ThisOtherGuy:

not very :-(

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wagnerrp:

if you look at the source for that function, youll see a '@databasesearch' at the top

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wagnerrp:

thats called a decorator

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wagnerrp:

its basically a function or class that wraps the function below it

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I was disappointed to learn that Bluray doesn't give titles nice names, I always thought that DVD was lacking in that respect and I'd hoped to be able to display something more user-friendly in the OSD menu

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wagnerrp:

so the only thing MythDB.searchOldRecorded does is tell the databasesearch decorator how to function

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I am not sure that's totally true, I think that information is in the mpls files, just probably not yet exposed in the API

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iamlindoro:

Blu-ray players definitely have chapter names, though that might also be in the BDJ stuff too

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wagnerrp:

the databasesearch decorator is actually what does the gruntwork of piecing together the the sql command

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . V/utility.py

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wagnerrp:

starting on line 136 is where it handles the custom clauses

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wagnerrp:

basically, it just lets you shortcut custom WHERE arguments straight into the command

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** ThisOtherGuy is reading utility.py **

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wagnerrp:

thats not a function, thats a keyword you would pass into the searchOldRecorded method

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wagnerrp:

like... MythDB.searchOldRecorded(custom=(('recstatus=%s',recstatus),))

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ThisOtherGuy:

yup – I see now

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ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: thanks for the explanation

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wagnerrp:

well its a fairly undocumented 'feature'

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wagnerrp:

i used to used it in some method that only existed for backwards compatibility with 0.21, but it has since been removed

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wagnerrp:

so theres no examples of it

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ThisOtherGuy:

yeah – that'd be tough to figure out with digging pretty deep into the code (or catching the expert on IRC)

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ThisOtherGuy:

Just read this pretty clear post about python decorators – makes a lot of sense and seems pretty powerful: http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=240808

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Dassu:

http://paste.servut.us/ou9s fanartdir is clearly defined on line: 109

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Dassu:

also checked that option in the MythVideo settings and it was set

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wagnerrp:

is that even used if youre running JAMU against mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

i would expect it to pull all those folders from the database

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iamlindoro:

right, go set the fanart and banner paths *in mythfrontend* on that system

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high-rez:

Any of you use vdpauhqscaling? Is there any problem with leaving the setting on all the time (for both SD and HD content) ?

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: wagnerrp is correct, With ANY combination of options using "-M" all image and video directory paths are read from the database.

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: and the jamu.conf path settings are ignored.

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Dassu:

iamlindoro: I have set those

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tv-freak:

Earlier today, I asked help on lost EIT/EPG data when I came back from my holiday. Well, enabling proposed repository for Lucid Lynx did not help today, but after that, installing new firmware from http://palosaari.fi/linux/v4l-dvb/firmware/af . . . sb-af9015.fw seems to have helped! :D (Though on the other hand, my dear Me-TV does not work anymore...). So, it might be a regression from 2.6.32–22 to 2.6.32–23; although the (earlier pro

[19:42:32]

justinh:

wth is Me-TV?

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justinh:

oh. that. heh

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justinh:

tv-freak: well, if your tuner(s) don't work in other apps it could be because mythbackend is running & using it/them – or the driver(s) is/are hosed

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justinh:

if mythbackend isn't running & another tv viewer app doesn't work with the card(s).. then you need to fix that

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tv-freak:

VLC works.

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justinh:

vlc works with dvb tuners now? :-O

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iamlindoro:

regardless, we can't really provide much help for TV applications which are not MythTV here

[19:47:59]

iamlindoro:

#linuxtv might be able to help if me-tv doesn't have their own channel

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justinh:

what is it with all these junk new apps that don't even feature a single screenshot on their webpage?

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: The best was to check what Jamu will try to use as the image and video paths is to run it from the command line like "/where every it is/jamu.py -MVf" at the top of the output will be a report on the directory paths.

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tv-freak:

Thanks, I understand. I actualy did not ask help – just informed about the complexity.

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Dassu:

RDV_Linux: THe output is the same.

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Dassu:

it just says it is not set

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: Pastebin the output and supply a link.

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Dassu:

22:23 < Dassu> http://paste.servut.us/ou9s fanartdir is clearly defined on line: 109

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justinh:

funny enough there's actually a #me-tv :)

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justinh:

hey and if they turn around & say that channel is purely for development talk just point out it's not called #me-tv-dev

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samgee:

Is it possible to have a media center using only free software? I already looked at some usb capture cards and it seems they all need non-free driver or firmware. I heard the pci situation might be better.

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: What version of MythTV and Jamu are you running? "-v" will get you the Jamu version

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kormoc:

samgee, the firmware is a interesting one to require, as the cards you don't need to load up closed firmware are only that way because the closed firmware is already loaded on the card

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kormoc:

samgee, so if you're really looking for a card with open firmware, you're unlikely to find any

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justinh:

I'd say it'd be pretty impossible – unless you can find a card that doesn't require any firmware

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justinh:

some DVB tuners don't need any, but they're very few in number

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kormoc:

justinh, they have firmware, it's just not required for the end-user to load it

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justinh:

and as for open source video drivers.. heh

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Dassu:

RDV_Linux: jamu v0.7.3 and mythtv 25331

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Dassu:

0.23.201000617–1

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justinh:

I dunno why people get hung up about widdly little microcode anyway

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justinh:

do those same people get hung up about the code in their car's ECU too?

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justinh:

or their digital watch?

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kormoc:

justinh, some do

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Dassu:

key: "mythvideo.bannerDir" contains: "/home/niko/.mythtv/MythVideo/Banners" that dir exists

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justinh:

heh. bet there aren't that many open source friendly tinfoil hat manufacturers

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samgee:

kormoc, justinh, thanks. I guess I'll have some more free time from now on then.

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samgee:

s/free/dev/

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kormoc:

samgee, well, to be fair, you have closed firmware in your keyboard and mouse, your network card, your processor, etc....

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Dassu:

Woot

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Dassu:

Found the bug :)

[20:01:22]

Dassu:

not a bug but the what it was all about

[20:01:47]

Dassu:

inside the database the "hostname" was incorrect

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samgee:

kormoc, sure, still lots of problems to be solved. I'm just seeing where there's room for improvement.

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kormoc:

samgee, just pointing out that it's a bit of odd request if you know that even the very basic things you use have non-free firmware

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

Best of luck!

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Dassu:

yep yep works now ^_^

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justinh:

samgee: try getting hold of open source video card drivers which provide hardware video decoding. hee hee :)

[20:04:19]

samgee:

kormoc, well, software != hardware and all that, but I'm sure you heard some theories about that and I'm to tired to debate it :)

[20:04:41]

samgee:

justinh, why not in software?

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: Do you run your MythTV front end separate from your backend? I am not sure if you realize it but Jamu only uses the video and image patch settings for the MythTV backend you are running Jamu on.

[20:05:00]

justinh:

samgee: well, no reason other than you need heap loads of CPU to do it

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kormoc:

samgee, sure, but my point still stands, firmware is firmware, ignoring the fact that your keyboard has non-free firmware and 'require' a tv card has free firmware seems to be backwards imho, tis all

[20:05:31]

justinh:

and even with software being open source it doesn't protect you from being done over by patent holders

[20:05:43]

justinh:

shrug

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RDV_Linux:

Dassu: Nice to see you found the issue.

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samgee:

justinh, oh, I thought it recorded to some mpeg format which can be played by any modern cpu (not too experienced with this video stuff)

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Dassu:

RDV_Linux: I ran them both on same machine but the box has history of running dual headed so sometimes I ran into problems like this

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samgee:

/ignore patents

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Dassu:

eg. the mythfrontend+mythfrontend+mythbackend, two sound cards, two displays ..... So one mythfrontend had a different hostname for individual settings

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justinh:

we can't ignore patents. that's why we have the likes of the FSF protecting our interests

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kormoc:

samgee, heh, why don't you just ignore the firmware issue and get a card then? patents are way more of an issue then the firmware on bit copying...

[20:07:22]

samgee:

btw, don't keyboard and mouse have it all in hardware circuits?

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justinh:

samgee: microcontrollers.. i.e. a CPU. running code

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samgee:

software patents are indeed an issue, but not valid in europe and other parts of the world

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justinh:

for personal use they're certainly less of an issue, true

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kormoc:

samgee, how do you think that keyboard and mouse know how to interact other then via firmware/code that tells it how to?

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justinh:

ooo ooo.. your monitor. that's got a cpu in it, running software too. and your TV... and your remote... and... the list is stupendously long!

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samgee:

as I said, hardware circuits. Push button -> send code, seems too simple to do in software

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justinh:

point being, you're worrying unneccessarily

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kormoc:

samgee, the tv card is the same! so why the requirement for open firmware for the tv card and not everything else?

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justinh:

if you're gonna argue that the firmware isn't open so you don't wanna use it you better apply it to every other thing with a processor inside it

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samgee:

as I said, hardware != software

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justinh:

or that'd rather make you a hypocrite

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kormoc:

samgee, what's sofrware in a tv card?

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kormoc:

samgee, I fail to see the difference

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clever:

samgee: mice/keyboards could have the firmware in a 'mask rom' which is basicaly the 1/0's etched in when the cpu die was made

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justinh:

samgee: and as we keep saying, anything with a processor in it – i.e. MOST things in 21st century life – has software inside it

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justinh:

CLOSED SOURCE software

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samgee:

justinh, I realise that the world is not getting better for free software users

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samgee:

clever, rom is hardware

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kormoc:

samgee, on the contrary, it certainly is

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AndyCap:

O_o

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kormoc:

samgee, actually, that's not true

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kormoc:

samgee, ROM is Read Only Memory

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clever:

samgee: mask rom can never be writen to electronicaly, its hard-wired when its made

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kormoc:

samgee, you just can't re-write it, but it most certainly is software

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samgee:

read only == hardware in practice

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kormoc:

that's like saying if i chmod -w a file, it's now hardware on the disk drive!

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justinh:

what I don't get about this whole argument is that these same people are using PCs. PCs whose BIOS isn't open source either

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clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_rom

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AndyCap:

clever: my keyboard has an otp part in it. :(

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kormoc:

samgee, and your firmware image can be hardware with a chmod a-w then! problem solved

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justinh:

while maybe some open source BIOS stuff is available there's not a very long list of hardware they work with ;)

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clever:

kormoc: a mask rom is more like taking a very fine drill and carving the bits into the harddrive platter

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samgee:

justinh, my lemote as a free software bios

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justinh:

ooo

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justinh:

so that's ONE thing then :)

[20:15:19]

samgee:

freerunner, nanonote and probably some other devices too. People are making an effort and I support it

[20:15:23]

justinh:

if anything, the amount of freedom is a lot greater than it used to be. before linux can you even imagine being able to hack a router to do something other than what it was manufactured for?

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kormoc:

Yeah, today is the best in history for free and open software/standards/hardware

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samgee:

certainly greater in absolute sense, but not much greater in a relative sense

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clever:

justinh: even now, the firmware update button is missing on my main router, so i have no way to hack it thru software alonen

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kormoc:

certainly it is!

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iamlindoro:

Hell, it's even greater than it was a *year* ago, let alone ten

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kormoc:

we get hardware documentation on cards so we can write stable drivers!

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clever:

the dumb thing cant even do port forwarding

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kormoc:

we get input in future designs now!

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kormoc:

we're respected as a user base and growing as such!

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clever:

i should check the specs on its flash chips and flash it directly

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samgee:

the push from companies and government to limit freedom has become greater too

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** AndyCap is so pleased about the news regarding trident DRX-J :D **

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iamlindoro:

That's confusing one issue with another

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justinh:

a lot of companies treat firmware as just another black box.. like a sealed chip.. just another component

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justinh:

like programmable logic :)

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justinh:

if you're gonna argue for this stuff you need to be absolute IMHO

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justinh:

or you're just being a hypocrite

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kormoc:

and it's off topic and not going to go anywhere

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justinh:

nope, can't use that vending machine. doesn't have a Tux logo on it :P

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kormoc:

samgee, it's not like we don't understand the issues, as we're a bunch of FLOSS developers, users, and supporters

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kormoc:

but I'm way more concerned with my phone's code then I am for a copy memory block a to b code on a tv card

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justinh:

anyway as originally said, it basically boils down to it being very unlikely you'll locate a tuner card which doesn't rely on a binary blob. if you're not ok with that you better be ok with doing without :)

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samgee:

I said in the beginning that I was sure you had an understanding of the issues and that I didn't feel like debating it, yet you went on and did it anyway :)

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kormoc:

samgee, my point was if you find a card that doesn't require a driver to load the binary blob it's only because the binary blob is already loaded and thus worthless for your requirements so you might as well not bother looking

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samgee:

justinh, yes, that's why I said I'll be having more dev time from now on: less tv time

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samgee:

kormoc, and my point is that I distinguish between hardware and software. If the blob is baked in I'm willing to consider it.

[20:22:21]

kormoc:

there's no difference!

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kormoc:

they're both made from compiled software!

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kormoc:

one is loaded on the fly, one is loaded once

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justinh:

the value in doing it on the fly means you can change it much easier later

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samgee:

I know that, but if it's baked in it's practically hardware

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kormoc:

bah!

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kormoc:

it's not practically hardware

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justinh:

technically software is hardware :P

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kormoc:

hardware is made up of the 4 fundamental circuit elements

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kormoc:

software sits on top of that hardware and allows it to do stuff

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samgee:

with loadable firmware the manufacturer says "I can update it, you can't, now kneel before me, puny human"

[20:24:41]

kormoc:

sometimes software is read only, sometimes not, but it's not hardware

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justinh:

some people should be glad they don't have to do everything themselves anyway

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** iamlindoro facepalms **

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kormoc:

samgee, and with unloadable firmware the manufacturer says "You can't update it, now kneel before me, puny human"

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kormoc:

samgee, "Want that bug fixed? BUY A NEW CARD! MUHAHAHAHAA!"

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justinh:

well I'd just argue the lazy buggers should get it right first time ;)

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samgee:

indeed, it would be better if they would provide the source of that firmware too, but the balance of power is better, imo

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justinh:

the economics of consumer electronics often means that the people selling the stuff didn't have a hand in designing it

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kormoc:

samgee, how's it better? with loadable firmware, nothing is stopping you from reverse engineering and loading FLOSS firmware on the card, with unload able firmware, you can't even make it FLOSS

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iamlindoro:

My dentist can't make me FLOSS either

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iamlindoro:

try as he might

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justinh:

and when it's only 32k long, you stand a much better chance :)

[20:29:01]

justinh:

just how is that open source video card coming along anyway? got any prototypes out to people yet I wonder?

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AndyCap:

justinh: an fpga with dvi ports on possibly. :P

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samgee:

kormoc, I'll agree to disagree if you will. I'm too tired and it's past my bedtime :)

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samgee:

justinh, I hear they're selling an fpga board

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samgee:

anyway, thanks for the info

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kormoc:

they have a dev board ready for folks to build the hardware acceleration stuff

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kormoc:

http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php?page=OGD1

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iamlindoro:

That guy is delusional

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iamlindoro:

ooh, only $750 for a board that doesn't work

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

and no drivers/etc

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kormoc:

"Drivers are expected to be licensed under the X11 or MIT license"

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, indeed

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kormoc:

I'm a FSF supporter but that's the exact opposite of the FSF's stance on it

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kormoc:

but he's FSF-E, so who knows

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iamlindoro:

Even just on the notion of "what is software"

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kormoc:

I never thought I'd see the day where RMS would have though someone else was extreme

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high-rez:

I remember that once upon a time there was something of a dvb api wars. s2api? liplianin? Which was the settled upon api ?

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high-rez:

(multiproto was the other one? i can't remember)

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AndyCap:

high-rez: whichever is in mainline? :P

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high-rez:

AndyCap: Just found good reading on it. Amazing what a mess it was ;)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: why PCIX instead of PCIe?

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kormoc:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

that 'open graphics card'

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

they started it like a decade ago when pcix was the new standard

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wagnerrp:

did they just strap a couple TMDS transmitters on a stock Spartan dev board and call it a day?

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kormoc:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

and for hardware acceleration, i wonder if they actually support things like opengl, or if its more of a roll-your-own-hardware-rendering-with-VDL

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kormoc:

right now they want someone to come along and develop the hardware acceleration/opengl support, as right now it doesn't do anything

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wagnerrp:

so... it literally is a spartan dev board with a couple tmds transmitters

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wagnerrp:

they havent done crap

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wagnerrp:

all the hard work with FPGAs is actually programming it

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php?p . . . onents+guide

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wagnerrp:

is my name robert now? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-July/293045.html

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wagnerrp:

not that theres anything wrong with that name

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wagnerrp:

but i think weve got enough already

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gbee:

it's not?

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kormoc:

Raymond

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure its not

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wagnerrp:

i could be wrong... you never know

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, We should all call your parents and verify

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: you here? I have another question for you

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wagnerrp:

yep

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wagnerrp:

not for long, dinner is almost ready

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ekristen:

it'll be real quick

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ekristen:

why do I need a mysql connection to use the mythproto bindings?

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ekristen:

I thought all the information and content and queries where delivered over port 6543

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wagnerrp:

because all settings are stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

including the information about how to access the backend

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing requiring the backend to listen on port 6543, or the xml interface to be on port 6544

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ekristen:

those are just the default settings

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ekristen:

I understand

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wagnerrp:

or the frontend on port 6547, or....

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ekristen:

so I could get away with not querying the database unless I cannot connect then prompt a user to import their database connection information to pull non default settings

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ekristen:

am I correct in that statement?

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wagnerrp:

no, as it stands, the python bindings are designed around the assumption that you have access to the database

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wagnerrp:

the only thing of significance that does not require access to the base is some XML page calls

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ekristen:

hrm ok

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wagnerrp:

and thats only because you need access to the XML page to pull the credentials to access the database

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wagnerrp:

its used for the UPNP auto detection

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wagnerrp:

now you *can* make sure the user sets the UPNP pin to 0000

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wagnerrp:

and set the backend up to listen on the network

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ekristen:

ok, I am just trying to figure out to not have to have the user enter in a lot of setting information

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ekristen:

to get the app to work, thats all

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wagnerrp:

at which point the bindings will perform an m-search, find the backend, and find the login information to the database automatically

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ekristen:

wait? come again?

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ekristen:

is upnp on by default?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend, perl bindings, and python bindings can all do UPNP detection of the backend

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wagnerrp:

UPNP detection is on so long as the PIN is set, and the backend is set to listen on a routeable interface (not loopback)

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ekristen:

its been a while since I setup my mythtv box, is setting the pin apart of the installation process?

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wagnerrp:

its one of the first pages in mythtv-setup

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ekristen:

ok

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ekristen:

I am going to go play with the python bindings

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ekristen:

thanks againb

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wagnerrp:

you can also request the SecurityPin from the user

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wagnerrp:

and supply it to the bindings as 'MythDB(SecurityPin=1234)'

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ekristen:

ok, is there any docs that show the basic steps to getting connected to a mythtv backed using the python bindings?

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wagnerrp:

'be = MythBE()'

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ekristen:

oh lol

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ekristen:

sweet

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wagnerrp:

check the wiki, its all documented on there

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ekristen:

I was briefly looking at it, I see that the functions are pretty well documented

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ekristen:

thanks again for all the help

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sphery:

ThisOtherGuy: Heh, I see you were patching code... I apologize for the knee-jerk reaction to DB questions in here. :)

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dustybin:

do you think it would be a good idea to have some kind of timer / alarm block built into the frontend for turning on and stopping tv, video, music etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, the theme chooser is gonna be NICE! ;-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: now we just need to get some themes to choose from.... :P

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wagnerrp:

hopefully something like that will serve as an incentive to start producing themes

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wagnerrp:

(considering free hardware didnt seem to do the trick)

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Beirdo:

heh

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