Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 13th, 2010, 00:08 UTC

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wagnerrp:

#your-distros-channel

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wagnerrp:

each distro is going to behave differently

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wagnerrp:

you cant give much in the way of good general advice

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NightDragon:

i'm not looking for linux systems administration

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NightDragon:

i'm looking for IT administration tools

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jduggan:

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jduggan:

![2~

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wagnerrp:

return E_PET_ON_KEYBOARD

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jduggan:

sorry

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jduggan:

:P

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wagnerrp:

well youve been around enough, i figured you werent intentionally spamming garbage

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jduggan:

:)

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mazer:

Hi all – I'm looking for some tips on binding channel names to the scanned inputs

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mazer:

things are working fine for over-the-air (us-bcast) channels, but failing for the local cable feed

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mazer:

after the scan, it reports a bunch of astc conflicts, that I can add manually

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mazer:

s/astc/atsc/g

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** mazer is looking for tips on the manual process of resurrecting the channel names, xmltvid tags, and ultimately programming **

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** wagnerrp doesnt understand why epople have so much trouble with storage groups **

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Brad-D:

i remember being confused about SG's when i initially heard about them

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Brad-D:

but when i got around to trying them i thought "I can't believe how easy this is"

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k-man:

I hear in Australia we are going to get CRID info in digital broadcasts, that could mean mythtv could detect the start and end of shows

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k-man:

is there any facility for mythtv to make use of that info?

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kormoc:

k-man, depends on what info it exactly provides I'd wager

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k-man:

kormoc: yeah, of course, they are making it difficult to find out

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crid looks like it's just a ID, so it'd really depend on when they send it, etc

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k-man:

yeah, well, the are pitching it that for "freeview" compliant devices, they will be able to detect start/stop events

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k-man:

but i think they are deliberatly trying to make it hard for non official Freeview devices to use it

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k-man:

im sure once it starts someone will decode it

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k-man:

i seem to recall something that was written for mythtv to help with recording sports shows that run over time

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k-man:

to ensure the end of the sporting event is recorded

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k-man:

in Australia the networks deliberately do not run to schedule to stuff up PVR users (at least I beleive that is why they do it)

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k-man:

Channel 10 here constantly runs 10–15 minutes late

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NightMonkey:

Hi. Just wanted to thank the devs for 0.23. I'm still on the ancient and much maligned PVR-350 for recording and playback, and other than some odd aspect ratio behavior on playback, works quite smoothly. :)

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wagnerrp:

didnt we drop playback support on the 350?

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NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: I think I'm going through "XV", so it apparently doesn't matter?

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: are you the one I was talking to regarding the mythtv python binding libraries?

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wagnerrp:

probably

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wagnerrp:

(for both questions)

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NightMonkey:

The only hiccup I have is that now I have to manually adjust the Aspect Ratio on playback to "14:9" to unsquish the frame horizontally. But I imagine that has something to do with everyone having HD now?

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NightMonkey:

Not a big deal.

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NightMonkey:

It's Just TV(tm).

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ekristen:

wagnerrp: does the python bindings have the ability to channel skip?

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wagnerrp:

channel skip?

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ekristen:

sorry

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ekristen:

commercial skip

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ekristen:

;)

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wagnerrp:

not exactly

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wagnerrp:

but they do provide access to the commercial detection data

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wagnerrp:

the commercial detection data provides a list of frame numbers

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wagnerrp:

were i to implement commercial skipping directly into the file access routines

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ekristen:

frame numbers not seconds?

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wagnerrp:

the best i could do would be cutting at the nearest keyframes

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ekristen:

or time position

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kormoc:

frame numbers

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wagnerrp:

anything better would require parsing of the actual video data

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ekristen:

so can you educate me on something, is there any way that that frame number can be converted into a time position without having the entire file?

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wagnerrp:

frame/framerate = position

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wagnerrp:

why do you need the time position?

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ekristen:

to seek to it?

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ekristen:

or am I misunderstanding how the bindings work?

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kormoc:

you can find keyframes via recordedseek

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ekristen:

ah

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ekristen:

ok

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kormoc:

you need to seek to keyframes, otherwise it's incomplete frame data

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wagnerrp:

you dont seek to a time, you seek to a point in the data

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kormoc:

(or at least process from a keyframe)

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wagnerrp:

the file access routines are just like any other file access routines

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wagnerrp:

they are ignorant of any video header or interleaving information

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wagnerrp:

thats up to the program processing the video data to manage

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wagnerrp:

basically, it behaves just as if you had run 'open(filename)'

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ekristen:

I understand, thank you

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ekristen:

yeah, I am trying to figure out how I can pull the data from the mythbackend and provide it to the boxee video player (which only accepts url or filename)

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wagnerrp:

it wont accept an opened file object?

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ekristen:

to be honest I am not sure, I would assume so, I was thinking that would be the way to do this, append the data to a file

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ekristen:

and pass the file to the player

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ekristen:

but how to skip is the question, I suppose I should just take this one step at a time

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wagnerrp:

you could set up a web server to pull it from

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wagnerrp:

you could hand it the URL to the web server run by mythbackend

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ekristen:

true, mythweb pretty much comes by default these days on most installs

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wagnerrp:

no, im talking about the web server run by mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

the one youre already using

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wagnerrp:

the mythxml stuff

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ekristen:

ran into a couple problems with it

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ekristen:

1. single threaded

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ekristen:

2. unable to seek

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kormoc:

all fixable :P

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ekristen:

I thought using mythprotocol is the preferred ;)

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ekristen:

lol

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wagnerrp:

it is, but if you have no control over how you feed data to your application, its not going to be of much use

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ekristen:

true

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ekristen:

kormoc: I wish I was fluent enough in c/c++ to be able to contribute fixes for the xml interface

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ekristen:

I am really starting love python though ;)

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ekristen:

to love*

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ekristen:

thanks for the help

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ekristen:

have a good night

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wagnerrp:

night

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dougl:

can someone help me – where do I copy avi movies to so I can watch them with my mythbuntu installed system?

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wagnerrp:

where ever you told mythvideo they would be

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** womble itches to say /dev/null **

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wagnerrp:

womble: that would be 'move'

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womble:

dougl: In the mythvideo setup screen, the first option asks for pathes where movies are. Just copy into one of those, then go back to the mythvideo video list and hit 'm' then select 'rescan' and it'll find the newly copied movies.

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wagnerrp:

no, dont do that

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wagnerrp:

populate the proper storage groups in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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dougl:

hmmm

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womble:

wagnerrp: "It is critical to note that the Storage Group implementation is not complete, and to take that into consideration when weighing whether to move to MythVideo Storage Groups."

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womble:

Oh, and "this should be taken as a technology preview release only. "

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wagnerrp:

womble: its lacking ISO and VIDEO_TS support (which doesnt matter to him since hes using avis), and external video player support (which he shouldnt be using anyway)

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wagnerrp:

for all other uses, storage groups should be used

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wagnerrp:

there i go again... correcting people on gizmodo

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

'its non-ionizing radiation.... do you understand what that means? it means it can not hurt you...'

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[R]:

thats what the guys at my work tell me

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[R]:

but i call shenanigans

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wagnerrp:

the only way it can hurt you is if the energy levels are high enough to bring your body temperature up above 105–110

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wagnerrp:

power levels, that is

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** Beirdo non-ionizes wagnerrp **

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Twiggy2cents:

would someone like to walk me through port forward on dd-wrt for mythweb. I have it most of the way set up but there is some issues

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wagnerrp:

go into ddwrt, tell it to forward port 80 to the machine running mythweb

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Twiggy2cents:

yes I did that and it works on my local network with my wan ip:80 but when using outside internet it times out

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wagnerrp:

im sure the ddwrt has some very verbose documentation on how to do that

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wagnerrp:

im sure the internet as a whole has thousands of pages describing how to do that

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Beirdo:

heh

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lies!

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wagnerrp:

if it simply wont work, its very possible your ISP blocks port 80

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wagnerrp:

you could call and ask

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Twiggy2cents:

yes I think maybe. How do I get it to to accept port 200 and forward it to port 80. Is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

possible, but not a good idea

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Beirdo:

is this #ddwrt?

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clever:

Twiggy2cents: with any cheap router (stock firmware) yes

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clever:

ddwrt should have no trouble

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Twiggy2cents:

clever, when I do that i get a text only format of ddwrt

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clever:

Twiggy2cents: check the ddwrt docs

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wagnerrp:

!url google DDWRT port forwarding

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MythLogBot:

google: http://www.google.com/

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy DDWRT port forwarding

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=DDWRT%20port%20forwarding

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Beirdo:

there we go

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Twiggy2cents:

meh. I get the hint ;) i will do reading

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wagnerrp:

port translation will break things if mythweb gives the port in any links

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Twiggy2cents:

now that sounds myth related ;) what links do you mean/

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Twiggy2cents:

can I set myths port to look on say 200 then forward port 200?

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wagnerrp:

its not myth related, its apache related

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Twiggy2cents:

doh!

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Twiggy2cents:

fail fail fail

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clever:

grep -r 80 /etc/apache*

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Twiggy2cents:

what does that do by chance?

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clever:

Twiggy2cents: finds any lines in the apache config that mention 80

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clever:

one of them has to be the line for setting apache's port

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lapion:

anyone here know anything about guide-plus

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[R]:

its encrypted

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lapion:

and mythtv canot grab it then ?

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[R]:

[09:32:18] [R] its encrypted

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womble:

So are DVDs...

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not do decryption

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wagnerrp:

it can handle DVDs that are decrypted by an external library

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wagnerrp:

and it can do DVB-C when decrypted by a hardware CAM plugged into the capture card

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** Beirdo hands wagnerrp an education trout **

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lapion:

and tvgrabany xmltv grabbers ?

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lapion:

oops..

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lapion:

any knowledge on xmltv grabbers for guide plus ?

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[R]:

if there was one... you'd find it on google

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Beirdo:

heh, good answer

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wagnerrp:

so i guess thats the 'long term data' ive heard people talk about

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wagnerrp:

and wonder why mythtv only grabs the short term EIT data

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lapion:

I have found one however it's .net based

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wagnerrp:

did you actually find something that scans through the available channels on your tuner, and pulls the guide data?

[04:50:28]

wagnerrp:

or did you just find some xmltv grabber that happens to mention 'gemstar' on their webpage

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lapion:

however I am afraid it might be part of another pvr project :

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wagnerrp:

gbpvr?

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lapion:

yes

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wagnerrp:

mind posting a link? i almost guarantee you that it is not scraping gemstar data

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lapion:

http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Utility/GuidePlus

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wagnerrp:

'guideplus' is the name of the program, not the guide data is uses

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kormoc:

"This takes a schedules direct XML file"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

its a reprocessor that runs on top of the schedules direct data

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wagnerrp:

which is only available in north america

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wagnerrp:

not going to do much good in the netherlands

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lapion:

hmm... well back to the drawing board..

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wagnerrp:

why tv channels pay tvguide for the license to use their protocol

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lapion:

I just found out about guide-plus+ on a pvr in a house I am looking after, and babysitting the cat

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wagnerrp:

rather than just pump all their data into EIT/PSIP is beyond me

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wagnerrp:

its /their/ data

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wagnerrp:

why are they paying someone else to transmit it

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wagnerrp:

mind boggling

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lapion:

guideplus.exe has nothing to do with guide plus+ ...darn

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lapion:

btw in the netherlands all guide plus data is transmitted on a single channel.

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wagnerrp:

funky...

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lapion:

so no need to scrape from different channels

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wagnerrp:

its still bogus to transmit using TVGOS when DVB provides the same exact capabilities for free

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[R]:

wagnerrp: why NOT gouge customers for the licensing fees when you CAN

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kormoc:

[R], cause it leaves less money to gorge them for that you get to keep?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: it is of exactly zero benefit to the stations

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wagnerrp:

unless gemstar is actually paying the stations to broadcast in TVGOS instead of PSIP

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lapion:

guide plus is owned by m@cro vi4ion

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lapion:

any cable company that wants to be able to "protect" it's signal.. has gotton to pay the tax..

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lapion:

no wonder cable is so expensive

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[R]:

protecting guide data != protecting the signal

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[R]:

when are people gonna learn that

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lapion:

ahem..probably a package deal, you want to use transmit using mv encryption you got to buy and transmit g+ technology as well.. a lock-in deal

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wagnerrp:

but the video data is not encrypted, or protected in any manner

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wagnerrp:

its probably illegal for them to do so

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lapion:

sorry I meant mv-desynching techniques

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wagnerrp:

mv? macrovision?

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lapion:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you cant transmit digital video using macrovision

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lapion:

mv has techniques to mess up digital recordings..

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wagnerrp:

no, it doesnt

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lapion:

such as transmitting a couple of frames with absurd resolutions

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is write a robust decoder that wont barf on such video

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lapion:

any digital reciever will send that info to a tv, and the tv will happiliy ignore that data.. only a pvr will mess up the recording

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

why would a pvr care?

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt, at all

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kormoc:

I mean, the entire point of digital capture is to grab the raw digital stream, so it's not like it's messed up....

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lapion:

it stores it in the mpges stream which cannot be recoded by most recoders

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kormoc:

erm

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lapion:

mpeg

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kormoc:

that's not how digital capture devices work

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kormoc:

they just dump the raw mpeg stream, no processing

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wagnerrp:

the only reason ACP (macrovision) exists is because the government mandates that all equipment recognize and refuse to function in the event of an ACP signal

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kormoc:

so it doesn't care if the stream claims to be 1080xunicorn

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lapion:

yes.. but people who want to reporces the video..

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wagnerrp:

its effectively an analog copy flag

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[R]:

kormoc: is unicorn really big or really small?

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kormoc:

[R], that's up to you!

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wagnerrp:

[R]: its epically huge

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[R]:

lol

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lapion:

\and the signal is actually unicornxunicorn

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wagnerrp:

lapion: simply put, if the TV can ignore the bogus data, any other device can as well

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wagnerrp:

the reason such techniques work is because those devices /intentionally/ do not handle such data

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lapion:

not if the devices are not set up to do so

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wagnerrp:

again, because federal mandate requires that they not be able to

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kormoc:

if they're turning complete, they certainly can

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wagnerrp:

ACP only works on newer TVs

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wagnerrp:

older TVs barf on those pulses just as VCRs do

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lapion:

and mythtv

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kormoc:

that's a bug if it does

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RyeBrye:

./configure --with-unicorn-support makes it work

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wagnerrp:

because it is illegal for VCRs, tuner cards, and other capture devices to properly handle such garbage signal in the video

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lapion:

well it's not actually illegal, it's just not requiered so they will not make the product more expensive by adding support..

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wagnerrp:

over here, its illegal

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wagnerrp:

analog recordings devices must include an automatic gain control, and it must be designed such that it is susceptible to ACP

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** wagnerrp wonders what percentage of Rovi is owned by members of congress... **

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lapion:

well back on topic, I think I will not use guide-plus as I tend to boycot products from companies that take away my right to record any program, I have can legally watch

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Shadow__X:

amazon is giving a years membership to amazon prime for students http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=668781011&tag=gmgamzn-20

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justinh:

I dunno where I got this idea from but is it in any way possible to change logging options of mythbackend while it's running?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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wagnerrp:

see 'mythbackend --help'

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justinh:

ahh I missed the --setverbose bit. Doh

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justinh:

cheers :)

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clever:

thats new! :)

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wagnerrp:

no, not really

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justinh:

I was foolishly just running mythbackend with new -v options & it was just starting a new instance

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clever:

newer then 24115M then

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justinh:

then I though nah, that would never work. dummy

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clever:

i really need to fix my alsa problem

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wagnerrp:

why are you running 24115?

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clever:

wagnerrp: i cant update anymore because the alsa headers on my system are too old

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justinh:

2010-07–13 08:14:08.442 Sent 'SET_VERBOSE siparser,record' message

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justinh:

very nifty :-)

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wagnerrp:

siparser? is that still a valid verbose mode?

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clever:

yeah, ive wanted to update the flags often but had an in-progress recording and couldnt do it

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

according to -v help it is anyway

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justinh:

I want to get to the bottom of why I had a 327 byte recording last night

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womble:

Awesome compression.

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justinh:

there were a few things off with it – first of all I noticed the run time was listed as 9:00PM to 9:00PM – then I found a message about the recorder unexpectedly dying in the log

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clever:

way better then the ~200mb/hour files ive had (1 solid error frame from the STB)

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justinh:

I dunno which causes which – I mean the end time in 'watch recordings' might be the actual time the recording ended, not a listings problem

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justinh:

be a bugger if this is to do with the dvb drivers like the ticket I found last night seems to imply

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justinh:

I can try increasing the tuning timeout & whatnot.. see if it stops it

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clever:

justinh: http://privatepaste.com/0a410dd924 one pair is the true start/end time (including soft padding), the other is the times from the guide data

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wagnerrp:

looks like its 24030 when that stuff got added

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justinh:

it's only about the 2nd failed recording since I moved to a newer distro & newer hardware

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wagnerrp:

so clever, you should have that capability in your version

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justinh:

out of like hundreds

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clever:

wagnerrp: i didnt see it in mythbackend --help

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justinh:

heh. mythtv-setup actually still recommends there be a tuning delay for older cards like mine, so I wazzed it up to 500ms

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justinh:

see if that helps any. not the end of the world since the only missed recordings so far have been on BBC channels – so they're all on the cable box iPlayer anyway :)

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justinh:

heh. email from RS components about Haemaphroditic connectors 'May be a scam'. Thankyou Thunderbird. lol

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wagnerrp:

you know, it amazes me how similar Qt is to python, every time i go digging into myth code

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bjd:

i've forgotten how much i like perl

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mzb:

that was interesting: somehow managed to have 3x mythbackend processes running at the same time!

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wagnerrp:

mzb: it happens

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wagnerrp:

perfectly normal

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wagnerrp:

well... maybe not that, but not uncommon

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mzb:

I was looking for a reason for strange playback issues (MBE+FE) ... thought that might have been it

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wagnerrp:

preview generation is spawned off into a separate process for the event that the routine locks up

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wagnerrp:

which apparently happened twice

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wagnerrp:

usually implying a broken recording

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mzb:

looks like one of the transports is going bad

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mzb:

might have to see if a bird has given the aerial a hard time

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mzb:

thought it was only one channel (bad for livetv too), but now I've found another channel on the same transport that's no good (although current livetv for it is ok)

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mzb:

err ... hang on ... I don't have previews (working)

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mzb:

haven't had for ... ages

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mzb:

(ie: years)

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mzb:

hmm ... 3 days of problems on that transport ... err ....

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mzb:

I seem to recall doing a scan about then ... uh oh

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justinh:

scanning & then not testing afterwards.. it could happen to anyone

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

looked ok at the time

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mzb:

and the other channels on that transport look ok too (live)

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mzb:

snr is rock solid

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justinh:

I've had a couple of failed recordings since I switched a) to a newer distro b) to new hardware and c) to a new location in the house

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justinh:

doesn't seem to be any correlation between channels it affected as far as I know

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justinh:

though it's been a BBC channel both times & we ended up catching the show in iplayer instead

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mzb:

I've moved nothing

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justinh:

ticket 3897 describes it to a tee IIRC

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justinh:

as an experiment I've increased the tuning timeout & I'll watch it like a hawk

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bjd:

what tuner are you using?

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justinh:

cx88 based junk thing based on the conexant ref. design

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mzb:

I've got 3x DTV1000T's

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justinh:

whoah

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justinh:

mine are lr6650s.. that card's predecessor

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justinh:

mine are basically the same as yours but missing the comp/svid input AFAIK

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justinh:

heheh yup. as I remembered

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justinh:

http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tuner/image/ . . . t1000t_2.jpg even has its PCB labelled LR6550 lol

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justinh:

er just 6650

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mzb:

increasing the tuning delay to 500ms made no difference

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justinh:

ah well

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justinh:

what kernel ver you running on?

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ver:

2.6.34

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mzb:

2.6.32-3-amd64

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justinh:

I never used to see this, but apparently it was in 0.22

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justinh:

mzb: newer than mine then

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mzb:

squeeze

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justinh:

but that doesn't mean there wasn't a regression

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mzb:

I'd better do a complete recompile asap

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wagnerrp:

that card doesnt have svideo/composite inputs

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mzb:

err

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** mzb tries to remember the back of the card **

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** wagnerrp refuses your reality, and retreats to one where framegrabbers do not exist **

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mzb:

http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tuner/specif . . . =6&act=2

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mzb:

hehe

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yes it blimmin does :)

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justinh:

or er.. the picture shows em anyway

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wagnerrp:

woosh

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mzb:

not that I use those inputs ...

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justinh:

anyhoo – mine doesn't have analogue inputs, so it's more pure :-)

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justinh:

are there actually any DVB tuners which don't use a framegrabber as the PCI interface anyway?

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justinh:

apart from USB ones I mean.. derr :)

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mzb:

I quite like mine ... have been extremely reliable + good reception

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mzb:

tried quite a few USB tuners ... all crap

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wagnerrp:

justinh: sure, hauppauge has a couple DVB+IVTV cards

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justinh:

yeah mine have all been pretty solid, so I'm not blaming the cards

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mzb:

also have played with a couple of Dvico DualDigital4's (installed a rev2 for a friend ... still working) ... my rev1 is currently visiting

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mzb:

both revs more troublesome than a nice simple DTV1000T

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** justinh sends anthrax to the @electricmail portal **

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mzb:

also toyed with avermedia 777 == has issues sharing resources (iirc)

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justinh:

stupid junk has been syphoning off non-spam email to my account for ages, unbeknown to me

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** hashbang has done well with his Hauppauge Nova-T and Nova-T-500 **

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hashbang:

running with Fedora 8 and ATrpms MythTV packages

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mzb:

hmm, drives are a bit fragmented ... default timeout might not be enough

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justinh:

which timeout?

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mzb:

2hrs

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mzb:

xfs_fsr runs nightly

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justinh:

ah

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mzb:

(has done for years)

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mzb:

and was doing ok ...

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justinh:

used to run that, but stopped

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justinh:

coincidentally... since the move

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mzb:

but after a bit of a cleanup it's not improving fast enough

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mzb:

# xfs_db -r -c frag ${XFS_DEVICE}

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justinh:

actual 141994, ideal 51239, fragmentation factor 63.91% hmm not bad

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justinh:

known it be much, much worse

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mzb:

*cackle*

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mzb:

that's about the same as the one I'm having problems with

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mzb:

the others are *tiny*

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mzb:

(frag 5)

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mzb:

%

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justinh:

yeah but the SG the failed recording was on last night was the one with 37% fragging

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mzb:

still sounds bad

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mzb:

I'm talking <5%

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justinh:

hmmm

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justinh:

I dunno what kind of numbers are bad anyway

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mzb:

100% sounds like *really* bad, right? ;)

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justinh:

yeah

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mzb:

so 0% sounds pretty good

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justinh:

I used to see like 97%

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mzb:

gees

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justinh:

but doesn't that just mean the files are non-contiguous? it's no indication of where all the pieces are

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wagnerrp:

correct

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justinh:

so lord only knows what level you have to get to for performance to really suffer

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mzb:

ls recordings/ | while read fn; do dd if=recordings/$fn of=/dev/null; done

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wagnerrp:

well any fragmentation is going to result in a several ms reseek

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mzb:

^ watch a gkrellm remotely with that going

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justinh:

wheee what was that going above me up there just then? ;-)

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justinh:

note to everybody here: I only give a toss about performance monitoring junk if there's actual, proven cause for concern :)

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justinh:

I don't think this phantom recording issue was down to fragmentation

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mzb:

justinh, http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . lm_tuner.jpg

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mzb:

(oops, sorry about the mouse pointer;))

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justinh:

dunno what I'm looking at there sorry

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mzb:

they're graphs scrolling from right to left

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mzb:

(realtime)

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justinh:

I get that but what do the numbers mean?

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justinh:

oh wait.. W.. == write.. R = read. duh

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mzb:

ok, on the disks you've got r and w for read write, and the middle number is the 'width'

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mzb:

so, for eg, md6 (raid5 array of 3x 1TB) was doing 67MB/s write, 77MB/s read at the time the screenshot was taken

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justinh:

figures

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mzb:

helps to pinpoint all sorts of problems

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mzb:

cpu/disk/etc

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mzb:

that's better:

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mzb:

actual 54012, ideal 53883, fragmentation factor 0.24%

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justinh:

oof! ok, I get your point now having seen my numbers just from the dd

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justinh:

10494 bytes (10 kB) copied, 0.013717 s, 765 kB/s

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

oh dear!

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mzb:

try an xfs_fsr _and_ install+setup gkrellmd while you wait ;)

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justinh:

yeah I got xfs_fsr running now. I'll deal with it tomorrow, got company coming over tonight

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mzb:

mind you ... 10k doesn't really prove much

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justinh:

cheers for the tip

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mzb:

np at all

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justinh:

I'm a natural skeptic, but seeing the numbers for myself – the majority of them have been way higher than that btw

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

a dd (ie: from the filesystem, not the device) can give you a general idea

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mzb:

but gkrellmd is the only tool that _really_ shows you what's happening _while_ it's happening

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mzb:

well ... that I can think of, anyway

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justinh:

can imagine. gnome's system monitor thing is junk by the look of it

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

yeah ... kid's toy ;)

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mzb:

and won't do a remote system

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mzb:

configuring gkrellm to show it the way that makes sense (to you) takes a bit of practice, though

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mzb:

hints:

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mzb:

disk setup: '\f\ww\C\f$M\D2\f\ar\. $r\D1\f\aw\. $w'

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mzb:

net setup: '\f\ww\C\f$M\D2\f\ar\.$r\D1\f\at\.$t\b\c\f$L'

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justinh:

oh it's one of them thar user-friendly apps is it?

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mzb:

^^ Note the 'C'

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mzb:

err ... it is friendly, just ... lot's of options

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mzb:

and I mean.... yeah, ... you get the point ;)

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wagnerrp:

thats not friendly

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mzb:

sure it is :)))

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wagnerrp:

friendly would be you drag and drop formatted blocks out of a selector

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wagnerrp:

rather than having to read a bunch of text documentation about the format string

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mzb:

then on disk/net chart config select: Write Bytes: Inverted, and Number of Grids = 5

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mzb:

I guess it's one of those wonderful open-source things where the author(s) are happy to accept patches? :)

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justinh:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

oh, im not complaining

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wagnerrp:

im simply stating that it should not be considered 'friendly'

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justinh:

I'll RTFM tomorrow when I configure it

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mzb:

quite a few plugins for it too:

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mzb:

hddtemp and sensors, for eg

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justinh:

yeah like I need to be able to control XMMS from my sys monitoring tool :P

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mzb:

err... actually they're both detected automatically iirc

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mzb:

hehe

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justinh:

there's prolly a UI for MPD too

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justinh:

anyway... time to head homeski

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mzb:

yeah ... some of them are *really* useful, too! ;)

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** wagnerrp gets back to working on the jobqueue **

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mzb:

kk, bed for me

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mzb:

have fun guys

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wagnerrp:

you crazy aussies

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wagnerrp:

going to bed in the middle of the day

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mzb:

(it's a lack of beer;P)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you seem a bit frustrated

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sphery:

heh... wasn't trying to seem frustrated--was just a lot of typing, so I may not have kept a steady tone throughout :)

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sphery:

but I do hope that people quit overriding SG dir lists on their hosts

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sphery:

they just make things more complex for themselves and then create weird behaviors

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wagnerrp:

more that... 'this thread has gone on long enough so im just going to flood the thread with data, hopefully it takes them a couple days to read through it and start asking questions again'

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sphery:

I should add a check in the SG editor so that if it's a remote backend, it says, "You probably don't want to do this." when people try to enter Storage Directories in mythtv-seutp

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

well, truth is I haven't read any of the thread except the part I responded to

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sphery:

I guess it has something to do with mythvideo SG's? I didn't read any of that, but just responded to the question of "well, I don't see a directory that's getting used," part.

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whoever:

are there planes for myth to support cable cards?

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wagnerrp:

whoever: as soon as cable labs opens up free licensing

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sphery:

heh, "It /always/ exists because it's defined in code. If you fail to configure any directories in the Default Storage Group." Oops. Forgot to finish that with, "MythTV will go through a defined list of fallbacks, but you should always set and appropriate list for the Default SG."

[17:13:18]

whoever:

wagnerrp: ah, i thauvht it was open

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wagnerrp:

whoever: currently there are stipulations that require any program that use it provide a secure channel from the tuner to the tv, and all points in between

[17:14:25]

whoever:

wagnerrp: is there a date on thier patent that will run out soon ?

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wagnerrp:

and people wanting to get licensed have to pay large amounts of money to prove their stuff is secure

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wagnerrp:

whoever: it doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

even if it were to run out, they still manage the keys

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wagnerrp:

cablecard does not exist with the intention that people will actually use it

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sphery:

and FOSS and security-by-obscurity don't mix, so...

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wagnerrp:

it is purposely draconian such that no one could ever implement it

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whoever:

wagnerrp: i thaught you only needed the board, and the bacle card came from the babl co. that provides all channels

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wagnerrp:

whoever: cablecard is a DRM scheme

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wagnerrp:

meaning it will output video to programs and hardware that can guarantee the DRM is maintained at all times

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whoever:

.. why cable gotta be so difficult ? satalite isn't this much , the recievers are egen cheaper,

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sphery:

whoever: in other words, CableCARD is /not/ Conditional-Access Modules.

[17:17:50]

sphery:

it's DRM

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wagnerrp:

satellite is no different

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wagnerrp:

either way, the only way you can record is through analog capture

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sphery:

I.e. CAM works like you described. CableCARD is designed to lock down video, not to make it accessible and "freely usable" by customers who pay to access it.

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whoever:

wagnerrp: i am saying that sat recievers are chaper that buin' cable boxes

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wagnerrp:

you cant buy cable boxes

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sphery:

and they work the same in the US--from either cable or satellite boxes, you simply output an analog video stream and capture it using an analog encoder device (such as the Hauppauge PVR-150 or the Hauppauge HD-PVR).

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whoever:

wagnerrp: ya you can if your look hard you can find them

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wagnerrp:

if you could buy them, you couldnt use them anyway

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sphery:

i.e. in the US, there's absolutely no difference between cable and satellite once the cable companies decide to encrypt the channels.

[17:20:55]

whoever:

ya you can ,thecable company still makes youy rent thier cable card from them at ~$3\mo

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wagnerrp:

whoever: but you cant just slot a cablecard into it and expect it to work

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whoever:

sphery: your right , but still sat recievers are a little cheaper

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wagnerrp:

they must have a tech come out, and map that cablecard to that specific device

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wagnerrp:

and theyre not going to do that for a cable box you bought on your own

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whoever:

wagnerrp: they hage to be the tivo hd boxes here

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wagnerrp:

the TiVo S3 stuff is not a 'cable box'

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whoever:

wagnerrp: they said they would to it but shoyld the box brake they don't support it

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wagnerrp:

by cable box, im referring to some hardware from scientific atlantic, or motorola, the same stuff the cable company uses

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whoever:

wagnerrp: timewarner says there cable cards will work in thos boxes and prowide cable

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sphery:

whoever: Yeah, satellite companies have a harder time getting customers (because of FUD like the "satellite goes out in a storm" commercials the cable co's air), so they charge less money as an incentive to switch. Fortunately for you, since you're using MythTV, you can switch to satellite and everything will work the same.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: for what its worth, last time i used satellite, that FUD was true

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** sphery found his DISH network to be about 10x more reliable than the local cable company's TV service in spite of the hurricanes and tropical storms we get here **

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wagnerrp:

of course it could have been that the dish was not securely mounted, and the high winds of a store would knock it around and kill the connection

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Beirdo:

in PR, Dish would go out maybe 3 times a year, and even then only in really bad storms

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sphery:

well, for me the satellite never went out for more than a few seconds and it was very uncommon. The cable system was out all the time (due to problems with their system). Oh, and, yeah--I had (have--still haven't removed it) my dish mounted very securely

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Beirdo:

yeah, and only for a few minutes max

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sphery:

Beirdo: exactly--same effect here (in FL--so not that far from PR :)

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Beirdo:

yup

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whoever:

wagnerrp: correct it is not a true cable box but its as cheap as i have gotten , a true cable box for digital is ~500

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azlon:

sphery: was the metadata download issue fixed?

[17:27:23]

sphery:

The cable system would go out for extended periods at least once per month or pixellate and skip and break up ... momentarily in about 50% of all shows I watched.

[17:27:38]

sphery:

azlon: I didn't work on it--I have family visiting, so I haven't had MythTV play time.

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azlon:

ok

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sphery:

I didn't see any commits for it, so I'm guessing if anyone understands the issue, they're still working the patch for it.

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whoever:

fyi: time warner is havin' firmaware issues so it goes out ~4 times/mo

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wagnerrp:

my analog cable is a bit flakey

[17:29:02]

wagnerrp:

and ive been losing blocks of video out of my recordings

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile, i havent noticed dropped internet in years (aside from having a 12yr old router that drops if i load it too much)

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whoever:

wagnerrp: i thaught everyone was foced to go digital last june, . why analoge

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wagnerrp:

whoever: what would make you think that?

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** wagnerrp is patiently waiting for FiOS to get to his street **

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dustybin:

this is a interesting tool for people who want to keep the frontend low powered

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dustybin:

http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/

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Beirdo:

looks like I have a bunch of fun mythgallery stuff to tweak and test when I get home

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Beirdo:

in a week

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Beirdo:

hehe

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whoever:

wagnerrp: tha big campain that if you don't have cable or satalite then you would need to get an tigital to analoge converter for your tv

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wagnerrp:

right... if you dont have cable or satellit

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wagnerrp:

meaning if you have one of those, you dont have to change a thing

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wagnerrp:

there is no deadline for cablecos to stop broadcasting analog

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wagnerrp:

it all just depends on how they think they can pull it off without pissing off their customer base

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whoever:

wagnerrp: and around here the timewaner is pyuhing thir hd boxes for free and not offering the analogue

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wagnerrp:

they can push and sell all they want

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whoever:

... wagnerrp just saw last two post

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wagnerrp:

but if they ever tell you that they are required to stop broadcasting analog, you should kick them in their lying mouth

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whoever:

so i just thaught it might be other places as well, but now i know :-)

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wagnerrp:

they came around tried to do that to us a couple months back

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wagnerrp:

sadly, i wasnt around to get into an argument with their rep

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whoever:

wagnerrp: and how did thea rvyment go

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wagnerrp:

rvyment?

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wagnerrp:

argument?

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wagnerrp:

i said i wasnt around to argue with their rep

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whoever:

wagnerrp: argument (dvorak)

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whoever:

or i thauvht you said you wated t argue with ..

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wagnerrp:

i did, and i would have, if i were the one who answered the door and talked with them

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whoever:

wagnerrp: would't everone want to switch to digital(it a more reliable signal then analogue and better than it was in '99)

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wagnerrp:

whoever: if they drop analog service, then that means i need to rent cable boxes from them

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sphery:

wagnerrp: isn't this your mythfs.py (or whatever it's called)? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/443139#443139

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythfs does that, and supports handling single myth URIs

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wagnerrp:

but if i start telling people that it will do it

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wagnerrp:

im going to have to field a bunch of user support for a buggy and partially functional feature

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the ire of iamlindoro who has been trying to push people /away/ from external players... :)

[17:53:32]

iamlindoro:

and then I have to start cutting people

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kormoc:

Knife over ip?

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iamlindoro:

so impersonal

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iamlindoro:

I'll come over

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kormoc:

Ahh, always with that extra bit of customer service

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wagnerrp:

we aim to maim

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iamlindoro:

ha

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Brad-D:

hey guys, random computer question for you (please let me know if i'm out of line, and will stop). I'm thinking of buying a gaming computer. Is there any point to buying a CPU more powerful than a i7–930? The rest of the CPU's look insane, and I would expect everything to be GPU bound anyway?

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wagnerrp:

i would wait until intel starts releasing 32nm i7 parts

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Brad-D:

thanks wagnerrp, you always seem to have info on everything ;)

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Brad-D:

i will go google that

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wagnerrp:

theyve had the 32nm i5s (and fake i7s) out for several months

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wagnerrp:

and the 6-core i7 is a 32nm part

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Brad-D:

yeah i was looking at the i7–980x, but i thought it was crazy to spend 1K on a 6 core cpu unless i was doing a ton of transcoding

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egon_:

why is it "fake?" because it doesn't have a QPI link?

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Brad-D:

so the smaller 32nm, allows them to stuff more cores in, without increasing heat?

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wagnerrp:

or the same amount of power with less heat

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wagnerrp:

egon_: exactly

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wagnerrp:

the i7–8xx line is no different than the i5 lines

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wagnerrp:

two memory controllers, no QPI, its an i5 by a different name

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wagnerrp:

intel had a chance to make things make sense to the customer

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wagnerrp:

and they decided it would be better to keep them confused

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egon_:

i can see that. i was under the impression that the QPI link was mainly beneficial for PCI-e, and since the 32nm i7 has a built-in PCIe controller, it was about the same.

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wagnerrp:

theyve got three lines, and three sockets

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wagnerrp:

they should have made them line up

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egon_:

agree with that

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wagnerrp:

are they even planning on releasing new i7s? seems theyve got new architectures and sockets coming out at the end of the year

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Brad-D:

yeah i was just looking at the intel processor roadmap for 2010

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Brad-D:

and i don't see the chips you were talking about, was going to ask you :)

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wagnerrp:

is the LGA1366 socket essentially dead?

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wagnerrp:

and people say our rapidly changing protocol is bad...

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Brad-D:

man trying to figure out this stupid intel stuff is confusing, haha

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wagnerrp:

keep the customer confused, and theyll pay more... i suppose

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Brad-D:

yeah, stupid strategy

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Brad-D:

have you ever played with SSD drives wagnerrp? What do you think? Worth the cost?

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wagnerrp:

never have

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wagnerrp:

do loading times concern you that much?

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Brad-D:

a little, i've just read that it is so much faster on reviews

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Brad-D:

so interested. I always get sucked into the latest hype. haha

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wagnerrp:

loading is fast, everything else makes no difference

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Brad-D:

gotcha. another random question. Have you ever played around with water cooling? Conceptually I think it's neat, but all that liquid makes me nervous. So I probably won't touch it

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wagnerrp:

pointless*

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wagnerrp:

the only time it makes sense to do is when you pump the water to a massive heatsink, or completely outside the room

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wagnerrp:

which most people do not do

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Brad-D:

right

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wagnerrp:

theyre just moving the heat from one heatsink inside the case, to an equally sized, or smaller, heatsink at the edge of the case

[19:08:46]

wagnerrp:

resulting in /lower/ performance than a decent air cooler

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Brad-D:

i see

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Brad-D:

yeah i think i will get a big thermal boost, by buying a higher end air cooler. i've always just used the stock with the chip, which i've read is a pretty big mistake

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wagnerrp:

if was a mistake with the old prescotts, which would burn themselves up on the stock cooler

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wagnerrp:

now, its really only needed if you intend to overclock, or want something quieter

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azlon:

how can i add 1080 to my resolution list?

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azlon:

right now it only goes up to 1440x900

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to display on?

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azlon:

uhmm

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azlon:

a 23" monitor with HDMI

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azlon:

but i would like to figure it out so i can later do it on my 46" tv

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wagnerrp:

and it supports 1920x1080?

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azlon:

yes, i have it running 1080 on windows 7 right now

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wagnerrp:

and your video card supports 1920x1080 digital?

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azlon:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then your drivers should pick it up and run at that by default

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azlon:

hrmm

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** skd5aner is blasting through the channel icon approvals **

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skd5aner:

I've noticed that several PBS stations will mux in PBS Kids on a sub channel and another network called "Create"

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skd5aner:

what's the opinion, would you leverage the local network's icon for all stations or use the local icon for the local PBS station, the PBS Kids logo for the PBS kids broadcast, and the Create icon for the create broadcast?

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skd5aner:

since all stations are broadcast from the local PBS affiliate, you could easily justify using the same icon for all sub-channels – but, since the other sub-channels are specific to PBS kids and Create, it might be nice to distinguish them

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high-rez:

Does myth support playing rtsp streams ? E.g. without helper apps ?

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wagnerrp:

yes, see the IPTV 'recorder'

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high-rez:

Hmm, but its not limited to just multicast streams right?

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wagnerrp:

dont really know what its capable of, never used it

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