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Monday, July 12th, 2010, 00:04 UTC

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Sp0tter:

hehe i'm on hold with my cable company aking them if i can use the firewire port with my comptuer to change channels or if tis c5 and not set to copy freely

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Sp0tter:

the first guy just immediately transfered me

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Sp0tter:

at least he knew he didn't know

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[R]:

yes, if your firewire is enabled

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[R]:

you can use it to change channels

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[R]:

copy protection is only for video transfter

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[R]:

nothing to do with changing channels

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Sp0tter:

well i want that too

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Sp0tter:

to view it on the comptuer

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Sp0tter:

for time shifting

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[R]:

well most likely you'll only get the locals

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[R]:

if anything

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Sp0tter:

well we'l see what Bob says if they ever answer

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[R]:

$5 says they ain't gonna know crap

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Sp0tter:

well this is teir 2

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Sp0tter:

maybe they can transfer me to tier 3

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[R]:

lol

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Sp0tter:

i'm just impressed the tier1 guy transfered me immediately

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[R]:

i once asked about firewire

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[R]:

and the rep was like "firewall? let me transfer you"

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Sp0tter:

its funny that the "hold" recording just says solutions to common problems

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Sp0tter:

but only like 3\

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Sp0tter:

you'd think they would just keep going

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Sp0tter:

A to Z

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Sp0tter:

i came prepared, with a huge glass of wine

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Sp0tter:

for this call

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J-e-f-f-A:

"Your call is important to us, please hold for the next available representitative." "Current hold time is 23 hours..." ;-)

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Sp0tter:

i've heard "Whether its 12pm or 2 am, our customer care representives are avilable for you"

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Sp0tter:

as i'm on hold 20 minutes so far

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[R]:

they never said how many are available

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Sp0tter:

i was going to do the online chat, but they dont support firefox or opera

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Sp0tter:

only IE, netscape, and safari

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[R]:

netscape? haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

Netscape?

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Sp0tter:

ahhaha

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Sp0tter:

i know right

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Sp0tter:

yea, i shit you not.. netscape

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Sp0tter:

Windows 98 or higher, with Internet Explorer 5.5+ or Netscape 6.0+

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Sp0tter:

Macintosh OS 10 or higher, with IE 5.0+, Netscape 6.0+ or Safari 1.0+

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Sp0tter:

most MacOSX users use IE

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Sp0tter:

:)

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** Sp0tter gives [R] $5. **

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

and this surprises you?

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rhollan:

My cable provider blatently lied and said firewire was not enabled at all.

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[R]:

well thats illegal

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[R]:

they probably just had no clue what they were talking about

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[R]:

which isn't shocking

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Sp0tter:

arg.. i hate it when i have racist thoughts

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[R]:

lol

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Sp0tter:

so i started out talkign to some guy in textas

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Sp0tter:

texas

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Sp0tter:

who at least knew what a firewire port is, and understood exactly what i was asking

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Sp0tter:

then he transfered me to my local branch to see if they set up the firmware differently

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Sp0tter:

and ht was this black girl who didn't know crap

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Sp0tter:

she said "what color is the port?"

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Sp0tter:

after i asked if it was enabled and had content protection turned on

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[R]:

lol

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Sp0tter:

yea

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Sp0tter:

so check this out

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Sp0tter:

then she said "hold on"

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Sp0tter:

waited 10 seconds.. and said "no, you cannot output video through that particular port"

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Sp0tter:

i said,.. "are you 100% sure?"

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Sp0tter:

she said "yes, 100% sure"

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Sp0tter:

i said "where did you find this information?"

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Sp0tter:

she said "our advanced repair team" (that must be the name of her imaginary friend)

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[R]:

once you annoy them for too long

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[R]:

they just say anything they want

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[R]:

to get you to hang up

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Sp0tter:

then i said "can i bring it in and get it activated?"

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Sp0tter:

she held for 10 seconds

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Sp0tter:

then said no

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Sp0tter:

hehe

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Sp0tter:

she goes "no, we cannot activate that port, the cable box we use is only for cable and hd"

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[R]:

lol

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Sp0tter:

stupid african..

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[R]:

just get an hdpvr

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[R]:

problem solved

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Sp0tter:

no offense ot any africans here..

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Sp0tter:

unless you are a Tiem Warner CAble tech support person

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Sp0tter:

then fuck you.

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[R]:

language

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benklop:

not sure who would be interested, but the windows build script no longer works. the address in it for downloading svn is incorrect.

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[R]:

so file a bug report

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benklop:

http://subversion.tigris.org/files/documents/ . . . 32-1.5.1.zip is the correct address

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Sp0tter:

i wish i had a firewire cable.. i dont want to pay $15 for one just to try it if its most likely not going to work heh

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rhollan:

In my case, when I was having trouble, they blatently agreed that the law required them to enable it if the manufactured did, but that the manufacturer didn't. The manufacturer did.

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benklop:

i didn't realize the build script was official enough to be apliccable with a bug report..

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[R]:

Sp0tter: i got one off monoprice for a few bucks

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Sp0tter:

i need a long one

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Sp0tter:

oh n/,m, i have a laptop with a 4pin port on it

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Sp0tter:

can get a $4 one

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[R]:

benklop: where is it?

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benklop:

i ended up getting a 15 foot extender.. it has a repeater in it

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benklop:

build script is from the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows#Win32_Build_Script

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[R]:

so the answer is

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[R]:

"the build script is in the svn repo"

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[R]:

which brings me back to

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[R]:

[05:40:37] [R] so file a bug report

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benklop:

ok, i just looked and so it is in fact on the svn server

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benklop:

i will a bit later when I determine there arent any other stale urls

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Sp0tter:

[R]: you said you can still change channels with the firewire port

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[R]:

yup

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[R]:

and get the locals

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Sp0tter:

i have a digital usb tuner, can i just set that to the coax out of the STB

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[R]:

which is about as much you can get w/o a cable box to begin with

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[R]:

Sp0tter: ug... thats atrocious

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Sp0tter:

then change the channel to decrypt them

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[R]:

use svideo

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[R]:

but yes.. you cna do that... but it'll be horrid quality

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Sp0tter:

dont have an svideo in

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Sp0tter:

they told me here last night that couldnt be done

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Sp0tter:

there is no "pass through"

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Sp0tter:

in the digital world

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[R]:

its not gonna output digital

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[R]:

its gonna output crap over channe l3

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Sp0tter:

decrypted digital -> analog though?

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[R]:

when you are capturing over the crappy coax output, yes

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[R]:

decrypted digital is still digital

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Sp0tter:

i thgouth svideo was crappy too

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Sp0tter:

compared to component / hdmi

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[R]:

of course

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[R]:

but its atleast better than the coax output

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Sp0tter:

heh

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benklop:

is there a way to find out what svn revision my debian packages are from?

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[R]:

mythbackend --version

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Sp0tter:

[R]: i also have a usb ir tranceiver that came with my generic mce remote.. that theoretically shoudl change channels through lirc right?

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[R]:

s/theoretically//

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Sp0tter:

i stil don't believe you can just pass through a single channel through the coax out

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[R]:

huh? whats not to belive

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benklop:

that gives me protocol version, major version, branch, qt version, and other things, but no svn revision

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[R]:

the cable box only modulates one channel onto it

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Sp0tter:

hmm

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[R]:

benklop: the very first line is "MythTV Version"

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Sp0tter:

k i'll try it out, tahnks for the advice

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benklop:

yeah, .23

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[R]:

you must be using something horribly horribly old

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[R]:

cuz mine shows svn rev, branch, and all the important stuff

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benklop:

but i'm looking for the revision. i want to make sure that i'm not going to build a windows build with an incompatible protocol version..

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benklop:

wierd.

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[R]:

well like i said

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benklop:

i'm using the precompiled stuff from debian-multimedia

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[R]:

its horribly old

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[R]:

because mine is 23-fixes

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[R]:

and it shows the rev just fine

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benklop:

it's not terribly old.. its .23 after all..

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[R]:

they can cal lit whatever they want

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[R]:

ubuntu called their 23 and it was prerelease

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benklop:

well it became available after .23 was actually released..

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benklop:

i just havn't had the time or patience to actually compile and build my own packages for all my mythtv machines

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benklop:

no idea why it doesnt have that info there though

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[R]:

you should always be using 23-fixes

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benklop:

anyway, are there ever network protocol changes in the fixes branch?

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[R]:

so it doesnt matter

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[R]:

explotions are guaranteed if you dont match all your clients and backends

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[R]:

benklop: look at the history on the header file

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benklop:

header file for which?

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[R]:

[06:02:37] benklop anyway, are there ever network protocol changes in the fixes branch?

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benklop:

ah, ok

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rhollan:

Great I get mythvideo and mythmusic working and want to get on to ircd and my daughter wants to watch a movie.

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Sp0tter:

hmm

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Sp0tter:

[R]: it seems to be FCC regulation that the fireware port is enabled at least for local channels

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Sp0tter:

as of 2004

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[R]:

Sp0tter: yup

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[R]:

hence

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[R]:

[05:07:30] [R] well most likely you'll only get the locals

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Sp0tter:

they said its not eneabled at all

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[R]:

they dont know what tehy are talkinga bout

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[R]:

i'm sure it is

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Sp0tter:

and i found online someone in my area who has it who has been fighting them for a year

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Sp0tter:

and talking with the FCC about it

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[R]:

really?

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Sp0tter:

and has gotten nowhere

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Sp0tter:

finally they gave him an older box

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[R]:

you need to talk to your local government

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Sp0tter:

that has the firewire, but doesn't have the tv guide thing

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Sp0tter:

heh

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[R]:

it should say who on your bill

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Sp0tter:

is there a usb based component capture card compatable with myth?

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Sp0tter:

or do those even exist?'

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[R]:

you mean like the hdpvr?

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[R]:

[05:39:17] [R] just get an hdpvr

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[R]:

[05:39:18] [R] problem solved

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Sp0tter:

does that have an ir transmiter to change channels

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[R]:

yup

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Sp0tter:

$200 is pretty painful

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[R]:

awesomeness... isn't free

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[R]:

neither is running a decent myth setup

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Sp0tter:

doesn't record 108-p

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Sp0tter:

1080p

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[R]:

well seeing as your cable isn't broadcasting 1080p, its ok

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Sp0tter:

true

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Sp0tter:

does it setup the irblaster for you?

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Sp0tter:

or is that difficult?

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[R]:

theres a wiki for it

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Sp0tter:

i have one of those now, i should check into that

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Sp0tter:

this looks really nice

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: the FCC regs only mandate that the firewire port be active

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wagnerrp:

there is no regulation on what channels are to be made available without copy protection

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Sp0tter:

yea they said its not active

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Sp0tter:

and they can't activate it

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wagnerrp:

the /must/ activate it

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wagnerrp:

... maybe

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wagnerrp:

i saw some thing recently where the FCC is going to or may have dropped that

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wagnerrp:

it may not going into effect until their new cablecard replacement is available

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Sp0tter:

thanks for the info

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: what is your current setup, if you have a moment to say it?

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wagnerrp:

analog cable off two 150s, broadcast digital from an HDHR and a 1250

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wagnerrp:

dedicated master backend with the hdhr, slave backend with the tuner cards and frontend, one spare frontend

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Sp0tter:

nifty

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wagnerrp:

do you have an HD cable subscription?

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benklop:

the whole cable HD thing and everybody trying to keep me from using what I pay for has almost made me swear I will never get another cable subscription... i hate jumping through hoops to pay for and use something. if

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wagnerrp:

looks like the section in question is title 47, chapter 1, subchapter c, part 76, subpart k, section b, subsection 4, paragraphs i and ii

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benklop:

I pay it should be easier. if not, then what am I really paying for

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wagnerrp:

seems all cable boxes handed out to subscribers are required to have an active firewire port

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wagnerrp:

thats violated all over the place, but usually overlooked if they follow the previous mandate that they have to provide a functioning one upon request

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wagnerrp:

but even that is violated all over the place

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benklop:

so if I had a cable box with fw that was active, I still would likely only get local channels over it, right?

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wagnerrp:

according to the cableco, you have not purchased the right to that content, you have purchased the right to view that content as streamed over their service

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wagnerrp:

if they had their way, you would have to use a cable provided tv to play the content through

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wagnerrp:

fair use and the sony/betamax supreme court case be damned

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wagnerrp:

benklop: if you had a cable box with an active firewire port, there is no guarantee that there will be any shows marked 'copy freely'

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wagnerrp:

any content other than 'copy freely' requires that the 5C handshake be performed, and encryption used

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot perform that cryptographic handshake, so the cable box will not stream it data

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benklop:

I realize that much discussion of 5c is not really allowed here, but has there ever been any effort (obviously not official) to implement that?

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benklop:

id imagine there is no better way to get a lawsuit than that however..

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[R]:

implemetning it would require the spec and whatnot

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wagnerrp:

some crypto professor did so as part of some class he was teaching, actually succeeded to some extent

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[R]:

which you'll never get

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wagnerrp:

they brought him up on charges

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[R]:

whats the point of that dmca exception

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wagnerrp:

they dropped the case when he agreed to stop teaching the class and destroy all material

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benklop:

wow... i'd love to see those lectures.

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benklop:

i dont ewven have and wont get cable

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benklop:

but that sounds REALLY interesting

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: here is the document in question... http://hranfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachma . . . 03-225A1.pdf

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Sp0tter:

k

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benklop:

that doesn't seem to work for me

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iamlindoro:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachm . . . 03-225A1.pdf

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Beirdo:

blah

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

2 * Hop Devil... mmmm

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Beirdo:

yummy beer

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dewman:

i had a jack and coke...(was all out of rum) =(

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Beirdo:

heh

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Sp0tter:

2 glasses of wine here

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Sp0tter:

on my first beer

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dewman:

err correction a yack and coke

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Sp0tter:

if i split my coax before it goes itno my STB, will that degrade the signal?

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Beirdo:

yes

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rhollan:

Comcast told me theey did not have to enable the 394 port on my box because the manufacturer (Motorola) didn't.

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rhollan:

they lied and I found it to work.

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[R]:

Sp0tter: depending on the splitter... anywhere from 3 to 7 db

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Beirdo:

whether it will degrade it enough to bother you... dunno

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Sp0tter:

R is that noticable?

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Sp0tter:

it already gets split once for the internet

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Beirdo:

Sp0tter: depends on the original signal level

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[R]:

Sp0tter: depends on how weak it is to begin with

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Sp0tter:

can taht be measured with a volt meter?

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Beirdo:

not really.

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[R]:

i said db... not volts

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Sp0tter:

and i said "can taht be measured with a volt meter?"

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Sp0tter:

what do you say to that

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Beirdo:

not really.

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Sp0tter:

if this is about my typo, i'm sorry

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Sp0tter:

i meant "that"

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dewman:

db's are decibels

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dewman:

volts are volts

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[R]:

Sp0tter: i generally use a spectrum analyzer to measure RF

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Sp0tter:

ok

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Beirdo:

voltmeters are not designed to measure RF signal levels

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Sp0tter:

it would be nice if the coax out on the back of the stb gave an amplified complete signal

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Sp0tter:

instead of the modulated one

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[R]:

huh?

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[R]:

what would be the point of that?

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Sp0tter:

stronger signal without splitting

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[R]:

thats not what the output is for though...

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Sp0tter:

it would be nice if it was though

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[R]:

[07:13:20] [R] what would be the point of that?

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Sp0tter:

22:14 < Sp0tter> stronger signal without splitting

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** Sp0tter yawns too **

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[R]:

lol

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dewman:

me burps

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dewman:

almost bed time...

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dewman:

so is anyone using the mythmote for android?

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dewman:

my wife and I have it on our phones and its pretty slick...Simple ui

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benklop:

dewman: id like to see something like that on webos... is it open sourced? does it require anything on the mythtv side?

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benklop:

how does it communicate with the frontend?

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dewman:

benklop, open source... http://code.google.com/p/mythmote/

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dewman:

frontend telnet, only a check box in myth to enable and a port.

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dewman:

very easy to setup.

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dewman:

if you have a android, just goto the market and pull it down for free

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Beirdo:

sorry, I sold Data

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benklop:

sorry, i'm on a palm pre.. so I was actually thinking it would make a fun foray into programming an app for the thing

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dewman:

Beirdo, then goto google code and get it from there. =)

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Beirdo:

hehe, no need for it

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Beirdo:

I use a real remote

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Beirdo:

and my phone is an iPhone.

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Beirdo:

AKA class A battery sucker

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dewman:

hehe

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dewman:

we have 3 remotes, 1 xbox dvd ir remote, and two mythmotes...

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dewman:

love changing the channel in the back yard while she is watching tv... hehe

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Beirdo:

that would require allowing that port in from the internet

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Beirdo:

so not interested

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benklop:

huh. now that I think about it, I've got a wiimote, a universal remote programmed to mimic my IR keyboard, an RF remote, the IR keyboard itself.. that's probably enough

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Sp0tter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 06-_-Product

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Sp0tter:

anyone use that ?

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Sp0tter:

Slingbox

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benklop:

Beirdo: wouldnt it make more sense to put the android device on local wifi?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure lots of people do, or they wouldn't still sell it

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Sp0tter:

anyone here, jerkface

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Beirdo:

benklop: make most sense to use a real remote, if you ask me :)

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Beirdo:

Sp0tter: behave

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Sp0tter:

then be nice

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Sp0tter:

you weren't playing nice..

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dewman:

my android is on my local network....

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Beirdo:

!trout Sp0tter

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** MythLogBot slaps Sp0tter with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Sp0tter:

...

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Beirdo:

I'm sure you'll find that the Slingbox may not work with myth

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Beirdo:

is it a UPnP player, or is it using its own custom protocol?

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Sp0tter:

ah.. that's too bad

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/302800

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Beirdo:

!url lmgtfy slingbox mythtv

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=slingbox%20mythtv

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Sp0tter:

i wonder if i could run windows headless in vbox

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Sp0tter:

and sling to that

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Sp0tter:

record

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wagnerrp:

the HD content is downsampled to SD resolutions before being transmitted over the internet..... WTF good is that?

[02:37:25]

Sp0tter:

then play from xbmc on my linux tv comptuer

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Beirdo:

Sp0tter: who knows.. but that's not even close to being on topic here

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: before you go off and build this rube goldberg device, how about you tell us what you are trying to accomplish

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Sp0tter:

Beirdo: sorry, didn't mean to interupt the active myth talk going on, i appologize

[02:38:26]

Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: just a cheap way to record some tv, i guess the slingbox makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

buy a PVR-150 off ebay

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Sp0tter:

sdtv is fine

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wagnerrp:

~$20, works great

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benklop:

hmm... mythtv is a cheap way to record some tv...

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Sp0tter:

does the myth backend run on solaris?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Sp0tter:

sweet

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wagnerrp:

.... does solaris support tuner cards?

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Beirdo:

haha

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wagnerrp:

not many, if any

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benklop:

it it'll run on windows i expect it'll run almost friekin anywhere

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Beirdo:

have we actually test-compiled with Solaris?

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Sp0tter:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: dont actually know... point is still the same

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Sp0tter:

my file server runs solaris for zfs, i dont have another computer i can run the mythbackend on that has a pci slot

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wagnerrp:

same goes for mythbackend on windows

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wagnerrp:

you can probably run it on there, but theres no tuner card support

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benklop:

yeah..

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wagnerrp:

Sp0tter: the only capture device that will work under solaris is the HDHR

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Sp0tter:

what about on xen on solaris

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wagnerrp:

and maybe firewire

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Sp0tter:

can capture devices be accessed through the hyperviser?

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wagnerrp:

no idea, not worth trying

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Sp0tter:

whats the cheapest analog pci-e card you would recommend

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt recommend any

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Sp0tter:

hmm i could run a 150 on arch linux on my g/f's computer i guess

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Sp0tter:

good idea!

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wagnerrp:

what would you be using to play back this content?

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Sp0tter:

i have a 2.5ghz x2 micro itx comptuer coming tomorrow

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Sp0tter:

for playing

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Sp0tter:

got it on shell shocker on newegg for $50

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wagnerrp:

and it wouldnt be running mythfrontend on linux?

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Sp0tter:

the case/psu/board.. had some ram , hd, and cpu on hand

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Sp0tter:

yea i'm going to be running arch with the myth front end on that one

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wagnerrp:

oh... mini-itx, probably with only a single pci-e slot

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Sp0tter:

and the backend on my g/f's 2.4x2 with arch

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Sp0tter:

right

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Sp0tter:

:)

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wagnerrp:

you can always go USB

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Beirdo:

mmm, USB :)

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Sp0tter:

the compatability list looked pretty bleak

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Sp0tter:

can you recommend one ?

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Beirdo:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

PVR-USB or HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

only two SD analog USB devices i would recommend

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Beirdo:

or HD-PVR if you want HD

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Sp0tter:

k, looking for prices

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Beirdo:

$200-ish for the HD-PVR

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Sp0tter:

too much, i want to spend around $25

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Sp0tter:

for sd

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

definitely not the device for you then

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Beirdo:

Hmm, I need to buy a nice antenna for OTA when I get back to Seattle

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Beirdo:

and the HD-Homerun

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Sp0tter:

wagnerrp: what woudl you recommend paying on ebay for a Wintv pvr-150

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wagnerrp:

$20-$25

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Sp0tter:

shipped?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

or double for a 500

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Sp0tter:

k, and do i need some kind of amplifier or something ?

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Sp0tter:

since its already split between my stb and modem?

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wagnerrp:

just those two devices?

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Sp0tter:

those two coming into this room

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Sp0tter:

then it splits to two other rooms through the walls

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Sp0tter:

not sure how they did that

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Sp0tter:

if those splits ar ebefore or after or what

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wagnerrp:

your cableco should provide enough power to run maybe 4 devices before you should consider amplification

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Sp0tter:

ok cool, i have 3 right now

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Sp0tter:

the box, tv in the other room, and modem

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Sp0tter:

im' n the 3rd floor though

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Sp0tter:

not sure if that makes a difference

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wagnerrp:

well thats going to change things

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Sp0tter:

i think it comes to me first

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Sp0tter:

then goes down to them

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wagnerrp:

those electrons are heavy

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wagnerrp:

have a hard time going up stairs

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Sp0tter:

you knwo what i mean

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wagnerrp:

no, i really dont

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Sp0tter:

wouldn't there be a stronger signal where it enters the building from outside?

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wagnerrp:

marginally

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Beirdo:

cable length does affect signal level

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Beirdo:

significantly if you have crappy cable

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Sp0tter:

do they put an amplifier at each level?

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Beirdo:

but hopefully they used good cable :)

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rhollan:

the big problem with cable is tilt

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rhollan:

the difference between attenuation at the low vs high frequencies

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Beirdo:

Frequency Response?

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rhollan:

right:

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rhollan:

you amplify and you could saturate the amp with the low end of the band

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rhollan:

and not amplify the high end enough.

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rhollan:

tilt compensators reverse that and you amplify MORE

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rhollan:

but over evenly attenuated signals

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mzb:

I'm just having a play with the new(ish) system event functionality

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** rhollan remembers a house of his with 1 km+ RG-6U in the walls and attic **

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** Beirdo tilts rhollan a wee bit **

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rhollan:

as if YOU helped with my DB problem.

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mzb:

is there a (nice) way of getting the host name that _owns_ the event

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mzb:

eg: Playback Started

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rhollan:

myth got real confused restoring a db to a machine with different cannonical host name that mapped to the same ip address

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Sp0tter:

maybe i should of gotten mini atx

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wagnerrp:

its sent in the event

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wagnerrp:

the 'Sender' value

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Sp0tter:

just couldn't resist the 52% off shell shocker deal on the mini itx heh

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rhollan:

just finished watching Kill Bill 1 and 2

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Beirdo:

rhollan: umm, yeah

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Beirdo:

all the settings are host-specific

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rhollan:

sure but the host did not change... the name did

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wagnerrp:

mzb: for an external script, it would be '%SENDER%'

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mzb:

ah, ok, thanks

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Beirdo:

exactly

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Beirdo:

the host name changed

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rhollan:

I went throught the tables and saw all the dupes, and got rid of them

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Beirdo:

and settings are by host name

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rhollan:

much better now.

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rhollan:

well, not all tables are

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rhollan:

about 1/3 are

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mzb:

so 'script.sh %SENDER% PLAYING' would be the method?

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rhollan:

and almost all the settings

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rhollan:

my SQL fu went up a couple of notches

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wagnerrp:

yep

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mzb:

k, nice 1 ... thanks

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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mzb:

aha ... thanks

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mzb:

(need %CATEGORY% now;))

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mzb:

gee ... look at that ;)

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mzb:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

its there

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mzb:

ooh ... all sorts of things, how handy!

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mzb:

s/CATEGORY/RECGROUP

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rhollan:

The really confusing thing for me was that the host went from oracle to oracle.hollan.org and I figured myth, if anything, would just use the hostname part of the domainname.

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mzb:

(only want the lights to dim for a _movie_ ... and that's not _necessarily_ set by CATEGORY;))

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TUplink:

just wondering have they fixed the mythvideo tmdb script for the artwork?

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wagnerrp:

the script did not need fixing

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TUplink:

lol

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TUplink:

ok..... thne dose it work now?

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wagnerrp:

it has been patched, yes

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TUplink:

lol..... then my next question is how do i get that new thing on my 0.23 install?

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wagnerrp:

update your source checkout, and recompile

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TUplink:

lol great...... didnt do that in the first place LOL deb packages lol lets just hope someone did the hard work for me

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k-man:

anyone know if there is an ap that i can use to schedule recordings from my iphone?

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wagnerrp:

seems you need to bump past 25329

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k-man:

i haven't tried the web interface yet, i should try that also

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wagnerrp:

k-man: mythweb

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k-man:

yeah, ill give that a go

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rhollan:

lirc working again

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rhollan:

just got to check DVD playback

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rhollan:

then on to the wireless config

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rhollan:

Hmm... if I stream MY music that I paid for from MY computer at home to MY computer at work, to playback through MY headphones, have I violated copyright?

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rhollan:

Probably, but woe to the cop that tries to arrest me for it.

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rhollan:

as for my ripped DVDs, well, ...

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rhollan:

when myth works, it's amazing, but it's such a pain to get all the pieces doing what you want in anything other than a canned install.

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wagnerrp:

IMO, no

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rhollan:

well, I mae a backup of my DB, reinstalled mythbuntu, got iRedmail working on it and figured restoring the myth DB would be a slam dunk.

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wagnerrp:

of course im biased, since ive been doing that for years

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wagnerrp:

should be, yes

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rhollan:

No, and a big part of the pain that oracle became oracle.hollan.org. The hostname didn't change, the FQDN did.

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wagnerrp:

just 'mysql < database_backup.sql'

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rhollan:

figured myth wouldn 't care

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rhollan:

it did

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rhollan:

It didn't restore OVER the default. It ADDED TO the default.

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wagnerrp:

because it doesnt use hostnames, it uses an identifier

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wagnerrp:

which just happens to use the value returned by the system as its hostname by default

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wagnerrp:

whatever your system returns when you type in 'hostname', thats the default

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rhollan:

yeah, I get that, but when the docs talk about "hostname", I expect host name semantics

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rhollan:

brb

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wagnerrp:

my linux boxes return the base name

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wagnerrp:

my bsd boxes return the FQDN

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rhollan:

well, that's the thing. Something changed and got the DB thinking that the hostname was the FQDN at one point.

[03:36:00]

rhollan:

I seem to have it fixed now.

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rhollan:

also, mythfrontend keeps track of some info under ~/mythtv, so some of my frontend config changes got lost when I changed the user I ran it under.

[03:39:29]

rhollan:

I figured the frontend would keep it's config on the HOST it was running on, and not the USER, though that rather makes sense.

[03:39:58]

wagnerrp:

save stuff to '/$HOST'?

[03:40:06]

wagnerrp:

chances are it wouldnt have write access

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rhollan:

well, I figured the frontend would run as its own user

[03:40:40]

rhollan:

with the suid bit set

[03:40:52]

rhollan:

but per-user config makes sense.

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wagnerrp:

that would be dangerous, as source users would install mythtv as root, and hence make it setuid as root

[03:41:22]

rhollan:

See, if I consider an app specific to a host, I figure it doesn't care WHO runs it, and has common config somewhere in /etc

[03:41:38]

wagnerrp:

for the most part, thats true

[03:41:50]

rhollan:

no, instlall would install it as its own user at install time.

[03:41:50]

wagnerrp:

the only configuration stored outside the database is how to access the database

[03:41:56]

rhollan:

like other services.

[03:42:08]

rhollan:

yeah, and I had DB password problems....

[03:42:36]

rhollan:

anyway, I figured it out, but the docs were not explicit in that regard, and sometimes confusing with their terminology.

[03:42:59]

rhollan:

Like refering to host-wide sample configs, but really meaning the user-specific version

[03:43:17]

wagnerrp:

do other program's configure scripts create their own users to run as?

[03:43:27]

wagnerrp:

i always figured that was in the domain of the package manager

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Beirdo:

that's a packaging issue

[03:43:45]

wagnerrp:

especially considering different distros use different tools for user management

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rhollan:

often they do

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Beirdo:

often?

[03:44:03]

rhollan:

particulary if a daemon runs

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Beirdo:

care to give examples of a single configure script that does so?

[03:44:56]

Beirdo:

if anything would, I'd expect it to be "make install"

[03:44:58]

rhollan:

dovecot, postfix

[03:45:10]

rhollan:

and make install will often create the user

[03:45:37]

Beirdo:

anyways, it's beside the point, that's not how mythtv was designed

[03:45:50]

rhollan:

if the frontend was called the "client" the semantics would have been much more obvious

[03:45:50]

wagnerrp:

that just seems like very bad practice to me

[03:45:52]

Beirdo:

nor what the documentation says :)

[03:46:15]

rhollan:

frontend and backend are not usual nomenclature so the semantics is not clear without going through the pain of learning it.

[03:46:56]

Beirdo:

nobody said you were supposed to be able to use mythtv without going through the pain of learning it.

[03:47:24]

rhollan:

right, but it follows a client server model without calling it that clearly and that's confusing.

[03:47:57]

** Beirdo shrugs **

[03:48:02]

rhollan:

It's like when I tried to buy a tv with component inputs, and the salesdroid was pushing Sony "ColorStream" on me. WTF is "ColorStream"

[03:48:04]

rhollan:

Now I know

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Beirdo:

not really like that at all :)

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Beirdo:

our documentation is freely available

[03:48:49]

rhollan:

Even "per-user frontend instance" instead of front end would be clearer

[03:48:51]

Beirdo:

and we weren't selling it to you for personal gain

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wagnerrp:

very few people run mythfrontend on more than one user

[03:49:17]

rhollan:

No, true that, but I found the terminology confusing, when existing nomenclature existed to describe what the architecture was

[03:49:54]

Beirdo:

hehe, true enough, I guess

[03:49:55]

rhollan:

For example, I am still confused with the "Setup" part of the frontend and the "myth-setup" program.

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rhollan:

there appears to be overlap, but some things, like Storage Groups are only configured in mythtv-setup.

[03:50:23]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup is for changes that require the backend to be restarted

[03:50:40]

Beirdo:

mythtv-setup is essentially backend setup

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rhollan:

so, when docs say "Go into setup and..." I scratch my head thinking "Setup WHERE"

[03:50:57]

Beirdo:

and the frontend setup is for setting up the frontend

[03:51:24]

rhollan:

well, some of that frontend setup appears stored in the DB, no?

[03:51:33]

Beirdo:

so?

[03:51:58]

wagnerrp:

there is no argument by anyone that the setup needs some significant work

[03:52:00]

Beirdo:

there's no user-servicable parts there... hands off :)

[03:52:20]

rhollan:

so, part of the frontend config is per-user!

[03:52:23]

rhollan:

And part isn't

[03:52:23]

Beirdo:

and yeah, setup needs to be overhauled

[03:52:29]

rhollan:

so either all should be, or none.

[03:52:43]

Beirdo:

bah

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rhollan:

Granted, and I know all too well that if something works, "fixing" it is a low priority, but not doing so leads to confusion

[03:53:08]

Beirdo:

you binary decision people

[03:53:24]

wagnerrp:

'fixing it' is planned for 0.25

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rhollan:

O.K. them why is the DB connection user-specific for the FE, when the FE config isn't?

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Beirdo:

gah

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rhollan:

there is no reason for the DB connection info to be per-user then.

[03:54:20]

Beirdo:

because NORMALLY, the frontend is run by non-root

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rhollan:

so, here a noob like me is confuring a FE, and getting confused that some parts are user-specific and other's aren't

[03:54:30]

Beirdo:

and you need to store the DB connection info somewhere

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rhollan:

I run FE as non-root.

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Beirdo:

the only place to do that as non-root is in the user's home dir

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rhollan:

So, store it somewhere common to the machine with a per-user override if desired.

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Beirdo:

without root giving the user somewhere else

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rhollan:

ESPESCIALLY, if some FE config is not user-specific

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wagnerrp:

rhollan: distros like mythbuntu override the $HOME prior to running mythfrontend, and redirect it to a shared setup folder in /etc

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wagnerrp:

for everyone else UPNP autodetection of the backend can set up the database for you on the first run

[03:56:21]

rhollan:

well, I am running mythbunto and my FE looks in ~/.mythtv

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Beirdo:

what is mythbunto?

[03:57:46]

rhollan:

untu

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rhollan:

Ah, I see, it uses a default in /etc/mythtv and symlinks ~/.mythtv/mysql to it

[03:59:09]

rhollan:

would a user want to connect to different BEs?

[03:59:20]

rhollan:

or always the master, which knows about all the other BEs?

[03:59:39]

wagnerrp:

no, it always connects to the database

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wagnerrp:

the database tells it where to go from there

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rhollan:

so, why need a per-user config? In case non-root installs an FE?

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Beirdo:

because there's no need to ever install mythtv as root

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wagnerrp:

s/install/run/

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Beirdo:

and that includes /etc/mythtv/blah

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Beirdo:

well, especially run

[04:01:25]

Beirdo:

but yeah, I suppose most people require root to install :)

[04:01:29]

Beirdo:

I take that back

[04:01:48]

Beirdo:

I guess the answer is because that's the way it works :)

[04:02:06]

rhollan:

well, I can understand installing a BE as root, but not an FE, so per-user config as to where the master BE is makes sense

[04:02:51]

Beirdo:

you like to run around in circles, don't you? :)

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rhollan:

No, I just like to thing things through. I am used to per-user config when it makes sense with a per-machine default if per-user config is not present, but myth symlinks the default for the user to that for the machine by default.

[04:05:17]

rhollan:

just not what I was expecting. Live and learn.

[04:05:25]

rhollan:

It's just 'different'

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Beirdo:

mythbuntu does that

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Beirdo:

myth doesn't

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rhollan:

Fair enough

[04:06:23]

Beirdo:

I need chocolate

[04:06:29]

Beirdo:

that's an odd craving.

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rhollan:

I also see ~/.mythtv/config.xml symlinked for one user and local for another, and mythfrontend.sh only setting up the SQL link

[04:07:21]

rhollan:

I could use a beer right now. A Guinness on tap at the local pub

[04:07:35]

rhollan:

sadly, they just have cans with those damn widgets

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rhollan:

O.K. So I have coverart for DVDs in a bunch of jpegs that look like they are numbered by imbd number of something.

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rhollan:

How can I associate them with my ripped ISOs?

[04:15:20]

rhollan:

Do I "import" cover art and they get copied into artwork subdirectories, or is there an easier way

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wagnerrp:

considering them lost, and download new artwork

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, the stuff on TMDB is /far/ better than anything IMDB ever provided

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rhollan:

maybe they came from TMDB I dunno. The default place. But that is now broken because redirects are sent instead of images

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wagnerrp:

fixed now

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Beirdo:

yay

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rhollan:

so... how to I get the fix withough haveing to build from scratch? Has it made it to 0.23+fixes?

[04:20:45]

wagnerrp:

and for some time now, mythvideo has been labeling coverart with the video title, rather than imdb/tmdb number

[04:20:52]

wagnerrp:

its in 0.23-fixes, yes

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu autobuilds should pick it up within a day

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rhollan:

hmmm. so should that sync by itself or should I request an update? I only have 25 DVDs or so

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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cohn:

hi

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cohn:

anyone around?

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wagnerrp:

the general procedure for this channel is to ask your question, and if someone knows the answer, they will eventually get back to you

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cohn:

ok

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rhollan:

o.k. this is wierd.

[04:31:29]

rhollan:

All of a sudden, I get DVD cover art as the background for the selected DVD in the galery browser, but not in the per item display

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rhollan:

what gives?

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cohn:

i'm getting this when I try to watch livetv on .23: 2010-07–12 00:38:09.791 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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cohn:

just ran mythtfilldatabase and no luck

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cohn:

ideas?

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wagnerrp:

livetv failed because the backend failed to record

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wagnerrp:

please check your backend logs for the proper error

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cohn:

ok, from mythbackend.log, it looks like it's trying to get lirc to change to the proper channel but that's failing

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cohn:

i'm running mythdora 12.23 / mythtv 0.23 if that helps

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wagnerrp:

you are trying to change the channel on a cable box over lirc?

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cohn:

i am but i temporarily unset that to test without it

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cohn:

ok, it works without the external channel change script

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wagnerrp:

if the channel change script exits with anything other than success, mythtv will assume the channel change failed and cancel the recording

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cohn:

ah

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Beirdo:

if you want to disable it... set it to /bin/true

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

then it will always return success, but no channel will change

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Beirdo:

removing it will make it attempt to change channel in the tuner itself

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cohn:

i get no sound though... grr. I'm using a plain 'ol soundblaster for sound and it works if i first 'cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg' then feed that to mplayer

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Beirdo:

that's how I did it while debugging the channel changer scripts

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cohn:

ah

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cohn:

good tip. thanks

[04:46:49]

wagnerrp:

cohn: you have the tuner set up as an 'ivtv mpeg capture card' right?

[04:47:00]

cohn:

i think it may be set as V4L

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cohn:

lemme check

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wagnerrp:

you need to set it up as an mpeg card

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cohn:

it's a PVR-250, fwiw

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cohn:

yes, it's set as IVTV MPEG2 encoder card under "Capture Card Setup"

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wagnerrp:

then your sound problems are in audio output

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cohn:

ok

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cohn:

even though I can play a temporary video capture in mplayer?

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wagnerrp:

which means sound on your system is working

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wagnerrp:

and the problem is in what device you gave mythtv to use

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wagnerrp:

for output

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cohn:

ah

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cohn:

please excuse my ignorance... where do I set that?

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Beirdo:

in the general setup in the frontend

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cohn:

ok, found it

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cohn:

alsa:default?

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's generally what works for most people

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cohn:

hmm

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cohn:

no sound

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cohn:

when i run alsamixer it shows a pulseaudio device at first

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cohn:

i can then switch to my real soundcard with F6

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cohn:

nothing is muted

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wagnerrp:

mythdora should have stripped out pulseaudio from the normal fedora install

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio and mythtv do not mix

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cohn:

should i get rid of it?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should be able to disable it when you open the frontend

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cohn:

interesting

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Beirdo:

if you're running something new enough... when did that get put in?

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cohn:

not sure

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cohn:

i'm upgrading from mythdora 4

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wagnerrp:

0.22 had the ability to disable pulseaudio

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Beirdo:

or you could just kill off the pulse daemon

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cohn:

=)

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cohn:

ok, it's definitely pulse

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Beirdo:

pulse--

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cohn:

when I kill it and hit WatchTV sound works

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cohn:

though volume control does not

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cohn:

i see this in my frontend log: Mixer unable to find control PCM

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Beirdo:

back to the setup you go then ;)

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cohn:

heh

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cohn:

so... i don't want to have to deal with this again whenever i reboot the box

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cohn:

should I just uninstall pulse?

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Beirdo:

I would if I were you

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cohn:

ok

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cohn:

i've had pulse bite me before on a different Gnome setup

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cohn:

seems to be somewhat useless

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Beirdo:

shouldn't HAVE to remove it, but it certainly would remove the possibility of it messing with you ;)

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cohn:

heh

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cohn:

i restarted the frontend and it fired up the pulse daemon again...

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cohn:

it's definitely messing with me

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cohn:

; )

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cohn:

hmm

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cohn:

looks like mythtv requires it for some reason

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not require pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not currently support the use of pulseaudio

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cohn:

oh

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cohn:

when i go to erase it, it wants to erase mythtv

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cohn:

/stab

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wagnerrp:

if you have compiled mythtv with 'pulseaudio support', which is the ability to disable pulseaudio

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cohn:

gonna google around and see if there's a way to get it to not start

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wagnerrp:

it requires the pulse libraries to run

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cohn:

this is a stock mythdora 12 instal

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cohn:

l

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cohn:

ah

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cohn:

looks like alsa is enabling pulse

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wagnerrp:

not likely

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wagnerrp:

pulse needs alsa

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wagnerrp:

not the other way around

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wagnerrp:

alsa exists on its own as an audio API just fine

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wagnerrp:

pulse does not have any hardware support, and relies on ALSA to access the sound cards

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cohn:

right, but my /etc/asound.conf has a line for pulse in it

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cohn:

so i guess alsa is just calling pulse

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wagnerrp:

alsa doesnt touch pulse

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wagnerrp:

pulse provides an alsa emulation layer, for applications that dont speak pulse

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cohn:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

only its a pretty poor emulation later, lacking many things mythtv uses

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wagnerrp:

resulting in poor audio sync if you attempt to output over pulse

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cohn:

or in my case, no sound

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cohn:

lol

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Beirdo:

ok, bed for me

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cohn:

nite

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cohn:

thanks for the help!

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cohn:

hmm

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cohn:

i've got a handle on the sound stuff but my lirc is busted too

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cohn:

if lircd is running, shouldn't I be able to run 'irw' and see output when I press the buttons on the remote?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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cohn:

ok

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cohn:

getting no output for some reason

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cohn:

i see this in my logs: Jul 12 01:32:17 mythtv lircd-0.8.6[1298]: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd

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cohn:

Jul 12 01:32:18 mythtv lircd-0.8.6[1298]: removed client

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rhollan:

hmm, I have some cd artwork I want to download

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rhollan:

to complete my set

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rhollan:

time to take a break

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cohn:

wagnerrp: what kind of output should I see for lirc_i2c from lsmod?

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wagnerrp:

that its loaded

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cohn:

the usedby column is 0 though

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kormoc:

cohn, why would that matter?

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cohn:

trying to see why neither my lirc_i2c nor my lirc_serial are working

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cohn:

fwiw, fixing audio required me setting the mixer from PCM to Master

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cohn:

heh

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kormoc:

usedby is purely for the kernel to figure out dependency chains for unloading, not if it's usable or used

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cohn:

ok, just wanted to be sure

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cohn:

i think i see the problem

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cohn:

it looks like the ir port is mapped to lirc1 and the serial blaster port is mapped to lirc0

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cohn:

isn't there a way to change that for module probing?

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cohn:

anyone?

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justinh:

cohn: maybe udev rules?

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eNeRGi:

does anyone here have an idea about how to get around massive IOWAITs when using NFS and large files?

[08:45:16]

eNeRGi:

I started noticing my system crawling when I move the myth recordings to/from my ReadyNAS... and surely enough... I have 95–100% IOWAIT on both cores :/

[08:45:36]

eNeRGi:

this happens when files get over the memory size of the ReadyNAS (1gb)

[08:46:22]

eNeRGi:

the weird thing is that it seems to be the client that is behaving weird... top on my mythbackend shows the high IOWAIT, while top on the ReadyNAS shows ~95% idle, and no IOWAIT

[08:46:32]

justinh:

not since I stopped using ext3

[08:47:14]

eNeRGi:

but how would the file system of the NAS affect it, if the NAS system is idle, while the backend struggles with IOWAIT?

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eNeRGi:

my gut feeling is that there must be some kind of magical switch that I could use in the mount options... but I haven't found it yet at least :/

[08:50:34]

eNeRGi:

now for example, I'm testing this thing with:

[08:50:36]

eNeRGi:

time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=ddfile bs=8k count=500000 && sync"

[08:50:40]

eNeRGi:

on the client side.

[08:51:05]

eNeRGi:

the client top: Cpu(s): 13.1%us, 5.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 4.6%id, 70.7%wa, 3.2%hi, 2.6%si, 0.0%st

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NightDragon:

hello all

[08:51:25]

NightDragon:

anybody around?

[08:51:28]

eNeRGi:

the NAS top: Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 5.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 88.9%id, 5.4%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st

[08:51:35]

eNeRGi:

I don't get it...

[08:51:56]

NightDragon:

ok myth-tv is certainly nifty... but quick question (that i couldent see at a moments notice from FAQ).... what about digital cable? does myth-TV do that?

[08:52:00]

eNeRGi:

I guess it could be that top's granuality isn't high enough... so that it is actually higher on the NAS as well.

[08:52:08]

NightDragon:

ot to mention the whole On-Demand thing that cox cable and time warner does, i have yet to figure out how that secret sauce works :)

[08:52:10]

NightDragon:

*not

[08:52:13]

eNeRGi:

NightDragon: as in DVB?

[08:52:17]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: obviously the NFS client is busy with itself, while the server has not much to do at all

[08:52:19]

eNeRGi:

ah, american.

[08:52:32]

NightDragon:

mmmyeah, what that "Digital Cable" hooey is about :)

[08:52:48]

eNeRGi:

henkpoley: how do you mean?

[08:52:52]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: what is your kernel version + nfs client version

[08:52:55]

NightDragon:

i've always somewhat wondered how all that data works in the backend on my cable box :)

[08:53:18]

eNeRGi:

I'm running the stock version for openSUSE 11.2... but hold on and I'll check

[08:53:35]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: I bug on your mythtv box makes it do nonsense when trying acces your ReadyNAS over the internet.

[08:53:42]

henkpoley:

err network

[08:53:56]

eNeRGi:

henkpoley: kernel 2.6.31.12–0.2-desktop

[08:54:32]

eNeRGi:

henkpoley: mount.nfs (linux nfs-utils 1.1.3)

[08:55:17]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: btw, justinh mumbled something about ext3 (that you shouldn't use it)

[08:55:25]

henkpoley:

I have no idea if he uses nfs too

[08:55:53]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: there's nothing in the logs? (try `dmesg` first)

[08:56:12]

eNeRGi:

henkpoley: the readyNAS uses ext4 it seems

[08:56:21]

eNeRGi:

henkpoley: any idea what I should be keeping an eye out for?

[08:56:41]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: shouldn't matter for NFS afaik

[08:56:48]

eNeRGi:

hmmmm

[08:56:51]

henkpoley:

eNeRGi: what network card do you use ?

[08:57:12]

eNeRGi:

why didn't I think to look in dmesg before? I've only googled this for about 2 hours now :)

[08:57:16]

eNeRGi:

[741417.988060] nfs: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, still trying

[08:57:19]

eNeRGi:

I get alot of those.

[08:57:39]

eNeRGi:

... so then to the problem why it would be unresponsive :/

[08:58:13]

eNeRGi:

henkpoley: just using the integrated one on the motherboard

[08:58:19]

eNeRGi:

should be some realtek chip

[08:58:50]

eNeRGi:

04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)

[08:58:54]

eNeRGi:

marvell it seems.

[08:59:57]

henkpoley:

Well, does it work intermittent ?

[09:00:29]

eNeRGi:

it works... it's just slow as hell when it gets above the 1–1.5gb line.

[09:00:32]

henkpoley:

First try pinging to the server (192.168.0.3) for a while

[09:00:38]

eNeRGi:

and I get loads on 10+ on the client machine

[09:00:58]

eNeRGi:

I'm logged in via ssh all the time (running top at the moment) and the server doesn't skip a beat

[09:01:10]

eNeRGi:

so that part should be working :/

[09:01:35]

henkpoley:

try ping, it will report dropped packages, it's UDP

[09:01:44]

eNeRGi:

I've tried this from two different machines with different hardware with the same result... however, they are both openSUSE 11.2

[09:01:46]

henkpoley:

SSH is TCP and papers over most network problems

[09:02:00]

eNeRGi:

well NFS runs on TCP too

[09:02:19]

eNeRGi:

(the man pages say you shouldn't use UDP on gigabit networks...)

[09:02:19]

henkpoley:

Yes, but with corrupted packages you are getting shit performance

[09:02:23]

henkpoley:

do you want this fixed ?

[09:02:26]

eNeRGi:

UDP for NFS that is

[09:02:48]

eNeRGi:

of course... I'm grateful for your help... don't read me wrong :)

[09:03:04]

henkpoley:

Maybe you just have a broken cable, or non CAT5e / CAT6 cables with gbit network ?

[09:03:12]

henkpoley:

so test from the lowest level first

[09:04:32]

eNeRGi:

IOWAIT at 100% on the client now

[09:04:40]

eNeRGi:

pings consistently at ~0.3ms

[09:04:49]

eNeRGi:

well... between 0.15 and 0.3

[09:05:30]

eNeRGi:

:/

[09:05:53]

eNeRGi:

and the cabling is CAT5e

[09:06:12]

eNeRGi:

(and haven't shown any signs of not working before this)

[09:06:13]

henkpoley:

Also.. there used to be some state where MythTV went clearing all of your videos (I believe it should be fixed) are you sure it's not just do *a lot* of stuff at the moment ?

[09:06:40]

eNeRGi:

I'm sure.

[09:06:52]

henkpoley:

mythbackend is down ?

[09:06:57]

eNeRGi:

I just bought the NAS... so that one is not doing anything other than my testing at the moment

[09:07:06]

eNeRGi:

and I'm also testing from another machine with the same results

[09:07:07]

henkpoley:

ah

[09:07:18]

henkpoley:

Also opensuse 11.2 ?

[09:07:39]

eNeRGi:

yeah... :)

[09:07:57]

eNeRGi:

that's the next thing I would want to test, but I don't have another machine here right now...

[09:08:33]

eNeRGi:

hmmm... I wonder if I would have an old kubuntu livecd here somewhere.

[09:08:58]

henkpoley:

virtualbox ? then at least you can test the software part

[09:09:06]

eNeRGi:

excellent idea.

[09:09:51]

henkpoley:

The networking hardware in your other nfs client is different ?

[09:10:10]

henkpoley:

I mean, it could still be a bonkers driver that waits a lot

[09:11:36]

henkpoley:

please run virtual box on your *other* machine if possible, it is kind of intrusive performance wise

[09:12:03]

eNeRGi:

that one was the realtek chip

[09:12:09]

eNeRGi:

so yeah, totally different hardware.

[09:12:16]

henkpoley:

Or I mean, might be handy to have one responsive system ;-)

[09:12:21]

eNeRGi:

mmm :)

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henkpoley:

eNeRGi: have you ever worked with Wireshark ? Might give that a try to see if anything on the network level is acting odd.

[09:15:27]

eNeRGi:

I have.

[09:16:23]

eNeRGi:

I'm leaning a bit towards software issues though... (if nothing else, that's the only thing I can really do anything about right now :) )

[09:16:32]

henkpoley:

btw, do you use a dumb switch or a router on your network? And in the latter case would that be something cisco-ish or just cable/adsl modem ?

[09:16:38]

eNeRGi:

so I'll install kubuntu in virtual box and see if that helps

[09:16:45]

eNeRGi:

both.

[09:16:56]

henkpoley:

You said performance tanked when getting near 1–1.5gbit on a 1gbit line

[09:17:01]

eNeRGi:

I've got a netgear router and a netgear switch in the other room

[09:17:17]

eNeRGi:

1–1.5giga_byte_ to clarify :)

[09:17:19]

henkpoley:

and the data goes through both ?

[09:17:29]

henkpoley:

gigabyte what ?

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eNeRGi:

in the mythbackend case yes, and in the other machines case no.

[09:17:37]

henkpoley:

file size ?

[09:17:40]

eNeRGi:

yeah

[09:18:00]

henkpoley:

eh.. I don't think filesize should matter but hey..

[09:18:15]

eNeRGi:

I guess that's because the NAS has 1gb of memory

[09:18:24]

eNeRGi:

so nfsd can cache most of it

[09:18:33]

henkpoley:

the 'short' (other machine) case, does that go through the router or the switch ?

[09:18:39]

eNeRGi:

router

[09:19:40]

henkpoley:

caching starvation really shouldn't cause "not responding, still trying"

[09:20:13]

eNeRGi:

yeah, I think so too.

[09:20:16]

henkpoley:

Unless they have areally dumb server that first tries very hard to put everthing in memory before sending it out

[09:20:24]

eNeRGi:

where do I set the number of NFS threads on the client side btw?

[09:20:47]

eNeRGi:

judging from the logs there are 16 threads on the client side (at least dmesg shows 16 tightly grouped messages)

[09:21:07]

eNeRGi:

... which could very well be overloading the server.

[09:21:50]

henkpoley:

`man nfs` ?

[09:21:57]

henkpoley:

Might as well be a mount option

[09:22:12]

henkpoley:

`man exports` too

[09:22:30]

henkpoley:

oh wait, that is for the server side

[09:22:51]

eNeRGi:

mm...

[09:23:14]

eNeRGi:

the thing is that I'm not really sure why there would be more client threads than there are server instances.

[09:23:19]

eNeRGi:

seems a bit stupid

[09:24:05]

henkpoley:

Well a lot unix stuff expects you to know everything in advance, possibly the protocol does not communicate about that

[09:24:15]

henkpoley:

Just in case: http://en.opensuse.org/NFS

[09:24:16]

eNeRGi:

mm

[09:24:24]

henkpoley:

I bet you looked at that page already

[09:24:41]

henkpoley:

provides pointers to other sites and man pages

[09:25:26]

eNeRGi:

yeah, I was digging through it this morning.

[09:25:37]

eNeRGi:

the problem with the opensuse wiki is that it quite often has old info :/

[09:25:45]

eNeRGi:

so you can't really trust anything fully :)

[09:26:09]

henkpoley:

You could ask on the ReadyNAS forum too, if it is a threads thing they ought to know how to get clients in line again

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eNeRGi:

I've searched that too, but it didn't really come up with anything really useful... so I started looking into the client side of it all... seeing as this is no issue for small files, I thought that someone here might have seen it before :)

[09:27:53]

eNeRGi:

but yeah, if nothing turns up, I'll post a question there too..

[09:28:06]

eNeRGi:

thanks for the help... I think I have my work cut out the next couple of hours :)

[09:28:52]

henkpoley:

Just create a list of things to check and go through them

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** henkpoley still wonders if going to trunk/unstable is a good idea to get rid of the whale sounds in MythVideo **

[09:38:15]

** henkpoley tries to figure out the audio fixes status or the mythbuntu testing PPA **

[09:39:23]

justinh:

getting rid of pulseaudio might help more than moving to trunk :)

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henkpoley:

btw, is there a better desktop manager than the one from XFCE4? I sometimes have the problem that MythVideo is unfocussed somehow

[09:40:36]

henkpoley:

Will try to remove pulseaudio first

[09:44:34]

henkpoley:

Did not help

[09:45:01]

henkpoley:

I bet it's the HDMI audio that gives the problem

[09:45:09]

GreyFoxx:

It's not

[09:45:16]

GreyFoxx:

It's the audio codec in the mp4 file

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GreyFoxx:

trust me

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GreyFoxx:

reencode the file to move AWAY from the aac codec OR run trunk

[09:45:43]

GreyFoxx:

reencoding takes a couple minutes per file, that's it

[09:47:55]

henkpoley:

GreyFoxx: I know that, did that 9 hours ago as a quick fix

[09:48:03]

henkpoley:

It's not really WAF though

[09:48:26]

GreyFoxx:

well, it certainly shows that it's not your HDMI

[09:48:27]

henkpoley:

Is there a way to quickly go through all the files and pick out the AAC encoded ones?

[09:48:32]

henkpoley:

okay :P

[09:48:44]

GreyFoxx:

if it's a .mp4 it's aac

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GreyFoxx:

the rest you would need to look through

[09:49:04]

GreyFoxx:

loop through and do some ffmpeg -i on the file

[09:49:07]

henkpoley:

I did change to HDMI recently, so that was the most likely from my viewpoint :P

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justinh:

oh, is that a problem with passing aac over digital connections? nasty if it is

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GreyFoxx:

justin: nah, but the aac 5.1 conversion code

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justinh:

why not just pass it through then?

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henkpoley:

ah, sweet `file` knows about codecs

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justinh:

or is that because not all receiving devices know what to do with aac?

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henkpoley:

justinh: there's an option for that ?

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justinh:

I've read about that cropping up with freeview & freesat HD over here -audio is AAC & STBs just blurt it out over their spdif – so if your AV amp doesn't know what to do with aac you're boned

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GreyFoxx:

I mass converted my files that had aac to ac3 and the problem went away

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azlon:

is the data for mythvideo stored in mysql? like the files and folders it displays

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womble:

As far as I can tell, everything gets stored in mysql.

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justinh:

that depends. everything is *stored* in mysql, but not everything you can see in mythvideo – since there's a mode where it can act like a filebrowser

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womble:

Presumably that's a mode where you don't have to update it's indexes manually every time you add a file...

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philverb:

metadata is stored in the database.

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philverb:

womble: What did you mean by "it's indexes"? MySQL's indexes?

[10:04:19]

philverb:

womble: Or some mythtv-only cache?

[10:04:51]

womble:

The mythvideo cache/whatever you need to update via the menu

[10:06:35]

philverb:

Yeah, I wonder whether or not there is some inefficient lameness up in there.

[10:06:48]

philverb:

My earlier questions to the channel were......

[10:07:03]

philverb:

Greetings. I'm trying to do a remote frontend over a DSL connection (via VPN) for 'Videos' and am getting RingBuf problems. Can this value be increased for playback of 720P (matroska) video? If so, how?

[10:07:11]

philverb:

Also, on the topic of MythTV across networks, I'd be tickled if anyone has optimization tips (links, or the like).

[10:07:21]

philverb:

I don't know of any UDP configuration profiles for mythtv.

[10:07:28]

philverb:

NFS over UDP has been 15% faster for file transfers, and of course for a stream, data continuity is more important to me (i.e., no choppiness for the remote frontend) than data integrity as such.

[10:07:39]

philverb:

The fact that I can view Avatar output without choppiness for up to a minute makes me think that a larger Ringbuff value would get me across this perilous bridge.

[10:08:03]

philverb:

--end rehash.

[10:08:40]

philverb:

I've been thinking about the Ringbuff for the streaming of 'video library' files.

[10:10:42]

justinh:

oh man, not this again

[10:11:15]

justinh:

when people say 'remote frontend' they generally mean on the same lan

[10:11:24]

justinh:

mythtv wasn't intended for use over anything else

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philverb:

justinh: Understood.

[10:12:18]

philverb:

justinh: But you see the appeal.

[10:12:23]

justinh:

no, I can't

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philverb:

2461 miles from here, I want my Mother to share my stuff.

[10:13:08]

philverb:

As *dynamically* as possible.

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justinh:

that's fairly stretching even fair use :)

[10:13:28]

philverb:

Don't worry about that.

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philverb:

We pay jointly for everything.

[10:14:01]

philverb:

Location does not define entitlement, per se.

[10:14:10]

justinh:

anyway – you get whatever caching mythtv has, end of story

[10:14:14]

philverb:

But unless you need to launch a discussion.....

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justinh:

there's not really any way to add more

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justinh:

if you did it over a network file protocol.. maybe you could add a layer of caching with that I dunno

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philverb:

justinh: So, no correlation between the ringbuff for livetv and the apparatus(es) of streaming?

[10:15:13]

justinh:

not as far as I know, no

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philverb:

Other streaming clients in other projects do some of this fancy footwork, and I was hopeful to find it ready to go in the MythTV environment.

[10:16:10]

philverb:

I'm not sure what to do.

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

like I said myth isn't designed with that in mind

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justinh:

yours is a pretty edgy case

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henkpoley:

philverb: without digging into the sourcecode, or paying someone to do that for you, this won't work

[10:16:49]

philverb:

I am not conversant with the mythstream sub-project.

[10:16:53]

philverb:

Are you very much?

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philverb:

henkpoley: I should dig, you are right?

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philverb:

henkpoley: I should dig, you are right.

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quicksilver:

I think you're right about UDP – what you want is for myth to do UDP streaming and not care about missed packets.

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philverb:

quicksilver: Yeah, baby!

[10:17:47]

quicksilver:

however, it doesn't do that as far as I know – it would require work to make it happen.

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philverb:

I'm hip.

[10:17:55]

quicksilver:

no idea how much work. But definitely real programmin gwork.

[10:18:08]

henkpoley:

btw, mythstream may work for you, though it was mostly meant to get video to mobile devices (low bandwidth, low quality needed)

[10:18:09]

philverb:

Probably one interface.

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philverb:

via mythweb?

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henkpoley:

I believe the mythstream transcoding would integrate with mythweb yes

[10:19:51]

quicksilver:

I thought mythstream was for watching IP stream within myth

[10:19:52]

philverb:

my recent (re)installation doesn't please chromium or firefox, each with satisfactory Flash functionality.

[10:20:06]

quicksilver:

not watching streams *from* myth over ip

[10:20:18]

quicksilver:

or were there two different things which both had the name mythstream at some point?

[10:20:19]

henkpoley:

Another option (more difficult imho) would be have "caching" of other backends, where you tell it to copy a file (kid of "video on demand" like)

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henkpoley:

quicksilver: well there was a project, maybe under a different name

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philverb:

Let me restate, if it's interesting....

[10:21:03]

henkpoley:

mythstream may as well just be the viewer yes, I'll look it up

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philverb:

...I'd like to control the buffer of the mythfrontend enough to sustain it over DSL inadequacy for two hours.

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** quicksilver finds http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Stream_mythtv_reco . . . bile_devices **

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henkpoley:

MythStream for MythTV 0.21: Playing of Audio and Videos Streams in MythTV.

[10:22:15]

henkpoley:

MythStreamTV: Live transcoding and streaming of MythTV recordings over the network.

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philverb:

I'd like for it to be configurable to 256*2 Mb for streaming video.

[10:22:34]

philverb:

That would bridge the gap.

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henkpoley:

See: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythStreamTV

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philverb:

[ I like getting to talk about it, BTW.

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philverb:

]

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philverb:

The point is to provide the 720P content that we *jointly* own, across the WAN .

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philverb:

I just need a buffer, people.

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philverb:

:D

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philverb:

Even if it's a 2GB buffer. I think that it's a reasonable inquiry.

[10:25:19]

philverb:

"Make it not-choppy."

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philverb:

I suppose that I could just do it manually and outside of mythtv....

[10:26:35]

philverb:

....but there is some strong streaming-fu that awaits discovery.

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philverb:

I call 'project'.

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henkpoley:

Just fyi, the mythtv maintainers will probably shoot any 'sharing' stuff down

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philverb:

mythstream-vpn

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philverb:

Sharing 720P images of my daughter?

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philverb:

Really.

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philverb:

Defend or abandon.

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philverb:

I don't want to seem antagonistic, but I think that these caveats are wholly irrelevant.

[10:29:18]

philverb:

We don't use the same logic for persons as the USA does for rivals.

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henkpoley:

Anyways, scratch your itch, just informing you :P

[10:29:37]

philverb:

"Just because they can, then they might."?

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philverb:

henkpoley: I hear you.

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philverb:

Seems wasteful.

[10:30:22]

philverb:

I thought that was a discussion extrinsic to mythtv, anyhow.

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henkpoley:

I've been using mythtv since 2004 (afaik) if any of the dev would want sharing in there it would have happened :-)

[10:31:47]

henkpoley:

But please just program, and make something useful

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philverb:

I'm not a subversive, but if I'm paying AT&T for one account that delivers to two places --I think that I should skip over these tendentious nuances that might be presented by "our provider".

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philverb:

henkpoley: You do state the correkt.

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henkpoley:

Do not discuss this, it doesn't help you. I don't have any decissive powers over with's in the mythtv release

[10:32:47]

henkpoley:

also, most of the devs do not lurk here (at least that used to be the case)

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philverb:

Understood, but my interest in understanding can't do anything but help.

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henkpoley:

But.. create something that works first, that's what the devs do listen to

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philverb:

These are inessential ideas.

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philverb:

These use-cases have been thought out by everyone who wants to safeguard IP.

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philverb:

Discussion is fruitful.

[10:35:05]

philverb:

...and right --#mythtv is different from #mythtv-users

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philverb:

.

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philverb:

henkpoley: Thanks for the very nice feedback!

[10:36:24]

philverb:

I don't mean to kvetch overmuch.

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eoke:

I'm trying to spec out a mythtv box but would like it to have two DVB-S2 tuners. Are any of you guys or gals aware of Atom ION board with 2 pci slots it doesn't have to be ITX? Alternatively another similarly low powered board and cpu that'll be capable of being both frontend and backend.

[10:36:46]

henkpoley:

My best tip: build something first, then they'll listen

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philverb:

henkpoley: I like the thinking.

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justinh:

well, it's always the way that code carries more weight than "Hey I want" :)

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philverb:

eoke: That's beyond my ken.

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philverb:

justinh: de Riguer.

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henkpoley:

I've submitted bugs that are litterally 10 minute fixes if you know QT and the codebase (directly exposing necessiary db fields in mythtv-setup). But weren't don't because I have not made a patch.

[10:38:01]

justinh:

especially if that "Hey I want" is something not many others want

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AndyCap:

eoke: netup does make a dual pcie card, but I'm not sure if it's possible to find one. and they're expensive.

[10:38:50]

justinh:

philverb: anyway, you're gonna be lucky if the majority of the stuff you have is low enough bw to fit over your pipe consistently

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philverb:

AndyCap: Globally informative response --must thank you.

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henkpoley:

Basically if I were to install mythtv anew I would need to dig around in the database, because mythtv-setup is lacking the proper interface

[10:39:28]

justinh:

henkpoley: that method is pretty much doomed to fail

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justinh:

mythtv-setup has *everything* you need

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philverb:

henkpoley: I think the DB stuff can be quite funny and seems not to have been revised with MySQL for the whole InnoDB era.....

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justinh:

pfft. frickin armchair devs

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philverb:

henkpoley: I don't understand about the digging, unless refactoring.

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philverb:

justinh: You make joke now?

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justinh:

nope

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philverb:

For the record, I just had to clean up after whomever it was with the myth*\.rpm files....

[10:41:25]

justinh:

muh muh muh, $project should do $X because I say so

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justinh:

if anybody disagrees with the way mythtv works strongly enough they could always fork it

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philverb:

Some Yung Dood got the RHEL initscript shipped with the '--logfile' parameter *not* followed by the variable that it supposed to make it work.

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henkpoley:

philverb: if I enter the data for my DVB-C in mythtv-setup there are not enough fields to enter all the information (frequency is not enough). So I need to exit mythtv-setup go in the datatabase and change the needed info myself

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philverb:

justinh: Of course, I hear your pain. Or the paid of what you describe.

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philverb:

henkpoley: Ah, I understand the context of which you speak.

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: looking in the wrong place for dvb

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philverb:

There's AndyCap!

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henkpoley:

AndyCap: what ?

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philverb:

I even remember your ID.

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: iirc, if you only have frequency it sounds more like you're setting up analog. DVB has a transport editor

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justinh:

henkpoley: course there's enough fields to enter more than just the frequency

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: so you have fields for frequency, symbolrate and modulation

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justinh:

you just have to do it right

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justinh:

:)

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philverb:

But, has noone got a comment about my initscript quip?

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philverb:

That was just sad.

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AndyCap:

philverb: what? some random rpm package you haven't named made a bug? so?

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philverb:

0.23

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justinh:

philverb: what init script quip? init scripts are distro/packagers' responsibility

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justinh:

*entirely*

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philverb:

Fedora, etc.

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philverb:

I think from rpmforge.

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philverb:

You need details?

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henkpoley:

AndyCap, the last time I looked at it (0.23 was fresh) it was still missing the field to enter what NetworkID it needs to look for (there are multiple broken ones on my cable network)

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justinh:

so if there's a problem with a mythtv init script,take it up with whoever makes your packages

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philverb:

I would like to provide.

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philverb:

justinh: I hear you.

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philverb:

I realize that this channel is not ideal for that.

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henkpoley:

AndyCap: not to sure what else you could enter that I didn't need

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philverb:

justinh: Thought I'd mention.

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henkpoley:

AndyCap: Or maybe I'm misremembering something, but at least one of the fields I need is still missing

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justinh:

henkpoley: NetworkID should be pulled perfectly well from the scanner

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: I don't think you're supposed to add the networkId. but I dunno

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philverb:

But I'm sincerely *thrilled* by the smoothness and richness of mythtv at the moment, and within the LAN.

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justinh:

you shouldn't need enter that AFAIK

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philverb:

:D

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philverb:

justinh: Thanks for the coolness!

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philverb:

AndyCap: Thanks for the coolness!

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henkpoley:

justinh: yes exept when it scan further it somehow picks up nonsense NetworkIDs that are there but unavailble for use in my distict (yes lame cable provider)

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henkpoley:

district

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

so report it as a bug :)

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henkpoley:

Did that, got closed after a year or so because of no patch

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justinh:

which cable provider anyway?

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henkpoley:

Ziggo

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justinh:

oh yeah I remember that

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justinh:

stupid NL cable co

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AndyCap:

but what's the damage?

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henkpoley:

Yes, they pipe both satelite and other district metadata content directly unfiltered over the cable

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justinh:

problem is there are only so many devs, and if people can't reproduce your problems and/or reliably test fixes where there's a risk of breaking stuff for everybody else with DVB.. erm...

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henkpoley:

MythTV really doesn't like that, in 0.23 it now kind of works though, without entering everything by hand.

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sid3windr:

coolness!

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flabberkenny:

henkpoley: what dvb-c card you use?

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AndyCap:

henkpoley: so it crashes, doesn't find your channels or just that you get bogus channels in your list?

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justinh:

AndyCap: not locating correct network IDs will break lots of stuff.. mostly channels working at all

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henkpoley:

Oh it ads transports (is that the DVB-satelite name or?) that are not available, and after a few scans those replace all the working channels

[10:52:35]

henkpoley:

But if you start with a good set (edit by hand) then it seems to keep working

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justinh:

sounds like bad tables being broadcast

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justinh:

or just tables with junk information

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henkpoley:

yes, of course (they also send out data for other districts)

[10:53:30]

justinh:

all too common – and the provider's STB software knows how to treat it

[10:53:59]

justinh:

that there's even a DVB spec is a bit of a long running joke for all the people who adhere to it

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henkpoley:

Ys, they basically provide custom software for the cable boxes that picks it up from a special transport

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justinh:

imagine if the same had happened with CD. LOL

[10:54:40]

henkpoley:

When I set my Philips TV to automatically keep track of channel frequency changes it removes most of them, same problem :/

[10:55:08]

justinh:

does the cable co actually *support* using stuff that isn't their own box though?

[10:55:16]

henkpoley:

I wonder what happens with MythTV once they mandate CI+

[10:55:21]

justinh:

more to the point do they actually allow it?

[10:55:25]

henkpoley:

Of course not

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justinh:

henkpoley: we'll be stuffed

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justinh:

there won't be any way to make CI+ work with open source in any legit way

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justinh:

same arguments as for cablecard

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henkpoley:

They do say they use DVB-C though, so maybe somebody should sue them over that..

[10:56:12]

henkpoley:

A bit like the DVD logo on retail boxes

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justinh:

the hardware is DVB-C compliant.. dunno if the software has to be ;)

[10:57:11]

henkpoley:

A year or so ago my mythtv box broke and I bought an official harddisk recorder.. Humax {??}1500

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henkpoley:

The thing managed to record a show for 24 hours, out of the blue

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henkpoley:

The show wasn;t 24 hours long, for the record

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justinh:

lol

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henkpoley:

So back to MythTV I went

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justinh:

humax & topfield allegedly make the better non-Tivo stuff

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henkpoley:

Edited everything in the database by hand

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henkpoley:

Was quite some work

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justinh:

I've had machines from both – all allegedly top of the range.. and all absolutely atrocious

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henkpoley:

everything as in channel info

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henkpoley:

Also, the Humax doesn't follow EPG updates

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henkpoley:

The programming system just copies the EPG data to an old VCR style recording system, and then never touches it

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I know Freeview DVRs that do that

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henkpoley:

Even in 2004 MythTV had that pretty much nailed

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justinh:

click on the EPG for something to record & it makes a 'timer event'

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justinh:

my father inlaw's DVR can do 'up to 30 timer events per month' :-O

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henkpoley:

Oh, and you couldn't record just "the news of 20:00" it would then record all news on that channel

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justinh:

imagine that – being able to set up as many as 30 recordings in one month!

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henkpoley:

They have a large day bulletin here at that time, so that's why we record it and watch it around 20:00-ish

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justinh:

THIRTY! Man, how would I ever find the time to watch 30 shows in one month?! ;-)

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justinh:

says me, with a 450-strong list of recordings I've yet to watch lol

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henkpoley:

I almost never watch TV or mythtv, I just maintain the system here. I got fed up over the house-wars over recording tapes in 2004

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henkpoley:

So every time it breaks it's a bit like supporting Windows :P

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henkpoley:

That said, the lastest update from 0.22 -> 0.23 was very smooth

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henkpoley:

The only breakage was because I tried to use some new stuff afterwards

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AndyCap:

well, with CI+ I'm probably done with their services.

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justinh:

heh we need more people voting with their wallets

[11:28:30]

justinh:

we're only on basic cable at home anyway. there's bugger all worth paying for :)

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henkpoley:

I wonder how long until a "european hulu" is built

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RDV_Linux:

henkpoley: BBC iPlayer site is better than Hulu by far, more videos plus audio from their radio.

[11:48:33]

henkpoley:

That's also only national

[11:48:55]

henkpoley:

I'm more talking about the concept of "TV" over the internet

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henkpoley:

not really if it's Hulu brand, and that is sucks (or not) because it is like Hulu

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justinh:

not until somebody does something far-reaching about rights sales

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RDV_Linux:

henkpoley: Well if a "european hulu" was created it would be ebtter that their use the BBC iPlayer model than Hulu.

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justinh:

broadcasters all negotiate their own distribution rights with content makers

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justinh:

making it any wider than that is going to be complicated without them all having a radical shakeup

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justinh:

it's a safe bet to say it's a very long way off,if it'll ever happen at all

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justinh:

and anyway, who wants to watch shows in Flash if they can possibly help it? not me

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henkpoley:

Who knows what will happen with Google TV

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henkpoley:

If enough people are reached the content will follow

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justinh:

no more ad interruptions in your shows

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justinh:

they'll just plaster ads all over the video instead :D

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justinh:

anyway I dunno why you're all so keen to get TV in a format you can't control in the least bit

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henkpoley:

Probably because it's better than getting no video over CI+

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justinh:

well is it really?

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henkpoley:

Also, it shouldn't need to suck

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justinh:

add up all the hours you've wasted watching shows which ended up sucking or being cancelled too early...

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justinh:

no it shouldn't need to suck but you can bet it will

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justinh:

flash video needn't suck. the flash player needn't suck. but it DOES

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justinh:

sucks CPU, and on a lot of platforms can't even sync to refresh

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justinh:

mmmmmm tearing

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AndyCap:

justinh: I think sucking is in the design specifications for flash

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cohn:

anyone know how to migrate a database from a pretty old mythtv box (.19) to the newest .23?

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cohn:

in particular, I really just want to migrate the recordings

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henkpoley:

cohn: either backup then update, or follow the new system migration advice from the documentation

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henkpoley:

Not too sure if that properly populates the DB version though

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cohn:

ok

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cohn:

i've got a copy of my old database as well as a sql dump of the recordings data

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oobe:

!help

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oobe:

!help list

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oobe:

!list

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rossand:

I'm planning to use one of my existing remotes with LIRC. Does anyone here have advice on a good/readily available infrared receiver?

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justinh:

rossand: the question is really whether an IR receiver will work with the codes your existing remote sends

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justinh:

pot luck

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rossand:

justinh: Good point. Is there a generally accepted best remote control solution for MythTV at the moment?

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GreyFoxx:

I think the MCE remotes are still considered some of the best

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GreyFoxx:

they practically work outta the box

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rossand:

GreyFoxx: Thanks. Researching them now.

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justinh:

if you ebay em, look for RC6 apparently

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justinh:

or look for the fact they're genuine, not some rip-off version. rip-off version may no worky on loonix ;)

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gbee:

my new BD-Rom drive arrived, but I'm too big of a coward to test the theory of sata hot-plugging

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justinh:

heh. I used to hot-plug IDE

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justinh:

well you can.. when it's work's own stuff :D

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keith4:

I got 30 minutes into Defiance, on DVD, before I realized that the Myth DVD player wasn't showing me the built-in English subtitles during the German/Russian dialogs... how do I enable that? I tried bringing up the menu and choosing "select subtitles", but nothing was available

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gbee:

keith4: those are supposed to be burnt into the image

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wagnerrp:

gbee: on DVDs?

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keith4:

yah, that's what I thought. i tossed it in the PS3, and those came up by default

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gbee:

i.e. they aren't DVD subtitles but permanently part of the picture data – or that's normally the case anyway

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gbee:

wagnerrp: I don't remember seeing optional subtitles on foreign language films/dialog, but maybe I just never realised that it was overlaid

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gbee:

keith4: do the subtitles work with mplayer, xine or vlc? I don't know anything about those subs but you should open a bug ticket, especially if it works in other apps

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keith4:

gbee: i'll give it a shot when i get home

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azlon:

when i press 'W' it downloads the metadata but not the artwork...

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wagnerrp:

azlon: upgrade

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azlon:

hrmm

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wagnerrp:

update your mythtv install

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azlon:

how can i find out what version im running now?

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gbee:

mythfrontend --version

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wagnerrp:

'mythbackend --version'

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azlon:

is 24 the newest?

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wagnerrp:

no

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azlon:

can i just do apt-get install updat?

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wagnerrp:

24 does not exist

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azlon:

well im running 23

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wagnerrp:

and the revision?

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azlon:

4.6.2

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wagnerrp:

thats qt... whats the mythtv revision

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azlon:

24158

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wagnerrp:

yeah... you need to be running 25328 or newer

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wagnerrp:

by the way, youre not running 0.23 either

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wagnerrp:

0.23 was not released until 24500 something

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azlon:

wagnerrp: can i just download the deb from mythtv? or do i need to uninstall, then reinstall?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not offer binary packages, only source

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wagnerrp:

if you want a deb, youll need to get it from your package maintainer

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gbee:

0.23 was released at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24509

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gbee:

azlon: ubuntu? the guys in #mythbuntu will talk you through it

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wagnerrp:

if using ubuntu, they have nightly builds available, which will should have the fix you need by now

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azlon:

ok

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azlon:

thanks

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azlon:

nobody is answering

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Were you able to try your .23 metadata fix? Update to the ticket just now implying it's still not working-- not that it's your responsibility to fix, just curious

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wagnerrp:

azlon: just ask 'how do i enable 0.23 autobuilds', and wait for someone to respond

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I tried it last night (r25328) and it didn't work with local storage dirs

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sphery:

haven't have a chance to play around, though (family visiting)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: try the url given, it's the site that's broken

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sphery:

ah, yeah, and that may be the case, too :)

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gbee:

I wasn't able to test but two or three people suggested that it worked for them

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iamlindoro:

sphery: You tried the .23 fix, that is?

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gbee:

oops, url was working, just my copy/paste mistake

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sphery:

yeah, 0.23-fixes r25328

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gbee:

meh, was worth a try

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iamlindoro:

Anyhoo, it works for me with SG images in trunk, but guess I'll have to suck it up and install some local videos and figure that out, and maybe a .23 VM if that's still not working

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I doubt we're very far from the correct solution

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sphery:

only thing missing was the trunk fix for image testing

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iamlindoro:

Still not exactly sure why the guy was removing the port from the URL-- if Qt needs that removed I am a little surprised

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sphery:

I'm sure I can figure out what needs changing (if it's not, in fact, the site/URI that's broken) for 0.23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

sphery: .23 has the image check too, it's just in a different spot

[15:26:05]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and since it wasn't accidentally removed from fixes, the one missing commit wasn't an issue

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sphery:

(which is what I was attempting to say :)

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azlon:

wagnerrp: ok, i found a page explaining how to do it, but do i want 0.23 or 0.24? it says 0.24 is for Lucid... but i have 0.23 installed right now...

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sphery:

I won't be able to look at it until next week, though, unfortunately.

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wagnerrp:

azlon: hold off for a bit, apparently it may not have been solved

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iamlindoro:

sphery: No rush, I'll likely find some time this week for Myth, I hope

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iamlindoro:

Well, he should still update, just shouldn't necessarily expect it to work once he does :)

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azlon:

ok

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azlon:

so should i do 0.23 or 0.24?

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azlon:

im running lucid

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iamlindoro:

.24 does not exist

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wagnerrp:

use 0.23

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iamlindoro:

You should be running latest -fixes of .23

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wagnerrp:

'0.24' means trunk, and you dont want to be running trunk

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azlon:

ok, then this is confusing: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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azlon:

will use 23

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azlon:

ok, i get it

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azlon:

thx

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sphery:

azlon: and it may well work if you're using storage groups (or if you look up a movie whose image links aren't broken or ... ;)

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azlon:

yeah, im using storage groups...

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sphery:

then again, maybe I just need to restart my frontend so the local image cache is cleared or something

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azlon:

im downloading the updates now

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: I see the exact same behaviour as that ticket update says. Myth says it looks like a redirect but doesn't

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GreyFoxx:

redownload from the alternate location

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sphery:

azlon: ideally you want r25328 or higher

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: trunk or .23? What revision? Storage groups or local videos?

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iamlindoro:

Again, the *only* thing I know for a fact works is storage group hosted everything, in current trunk

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azlon:

sphery: im not sure what i am upgrading to right now... i will let you know after it finishes

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sphery:

iamlindoro: that's what mine did 0.23-fixes/25328/local

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iamlindoro:

.23 appears not to work no matter what, and locally hosted videos appear not to be working in trunk if the reports are to be believed

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iamlindoro:

^^^

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sphery:

I didn't try SG's

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iamlindoro:

Once more, for posterity....

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: the redirect error is misleading, that's only displayed after we've followed any redirects and downloaded the image, it then looks at the filesize, might be worth changing the wording

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

I should be quiet

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iamlindoro:

Storage group hosted videos and images are working, in current trunk

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iamlindoro:

anything beyond that, probably not

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GreyFoxx:

trunk as of 11pm last night . local drives (no sg's in use right now)

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: ahh

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iamlindoro:

gbee: That redirect error is not misleading at all

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iamlindoro:

That filesize is the final QByteArray size

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iamlindoro:

and it didn't load as a valid image

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iamlindoro:

so whatever it got at the very end of the process was a 212 bye array

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GreyFoxx:

r25329

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iamlindoro:

and thus likely a redirect

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sphery:

yeah, I'm pretty sure mine is getting an HTML redirect (versus an HTTP redirect)

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sphery:

perhaps they HTTP redirect to a page that does an HTML redirect?

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iamlindoro:

It really shouldn't matter what they do, we should cover all cases

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sphery:

mine was Astro Boy ( http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/16577 )

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iamlindoro:

Definitely working in trunk w/ SGs-- I think the local issue is just some syntax error I haven't managed to track down yet (and haven't tried)... .23 I haven't looked at at all

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sphery:

yeah, but in 0.23-fixes, since we have the "roll-your-own" redirect handling versus the Qt stuff, ...

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sphery:

then again, maybe that's not important

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gbee:

I'd like to know why the 0.23 version isn't working, maybe stuff some verbose in there and get an picture of what's going wrong?

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azlon:

sphery: MythTV Version : 25328

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azlon:

so the artwork wont work in .23, right?

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gbee:

it will work in 0.23 just as soon as we figure out why it's not working

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azlon:

oh

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azlon:

ok, ill just come back tomorrow then

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azlon:

thanks guys!

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iamlindoro:

heh, optimism

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sphery:

azlon: might work--did you test it?

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azlon:

sphery: yeah, didn't work

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sphery:

azlon: I saw an issue with that revision (which has all the fixes), but I was using local dirs

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azlon:

the metadata is downloaded but not the artwork

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sphery:

and, yeah, iamlindoro (the expert) seemed to think that neither local nor SG art will work with 0.23-fixes, yet

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iamlindoro:

sphery: To clarify again, There will be no difference between SGs and local in .23

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iamlindoro:

that distinction is trunk only

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sphery:

ok

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gbee:

m_http.setHost(m_url.host()); << Can't remember if that's required, but assuming it is, then we might need to call it again in the "if (!m_redirectUrl.isEmpty() && m_redirectCount <= 8)" bit

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gbee:

sphery, GreyFoxx: are you using 0.23 from packages or source? I'd be interested in the output if you stick a VERBOSE() in InspectHeader() to dump m_redirectUrl and m_redirectCount

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gbee:

oh crap, m_redirectCount is uninitialised

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gbee:

no, nevermind, grep missed it

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sphery:

gbee: source, but sounds like you've figured it out?

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gbee:

sphery: nah I haven't, just a moment of stupidity on my part

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gbee:

the whole issue is bugging the hell out of me, so far the hack I wrote has turned out to be riddled with stupid mistakes

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gbee:

so I'd appreciate help in debugging it

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** iamlindoro smacks people for being illiterate **

[16:22:02]

iamlindoro:

"This patch is for trunk users only"

[16:22:08]

iamlindoro:

"I dont have that file in .23 release."

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sphery:

just download it directly and stick it in the dir

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sphery:

should be fine

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iamlindoro:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: trunk from svn as of last night

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GreyFoxx:

I can take a look when I get home tonight if noone else has

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: gbee is not looking at the remaining trunk issue, I am

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iamlindoro:

gbee has been looking at .23. I have trunk working, but there seems to be a minor issue with locally hosted files

[16:34:07]

iamlindoro:

I have posted a patch for people to try to the ticket, I just think it's a minor thing, and can otherwise get it fixed this afternoon when I get in front of the system and test a few local files

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iamlindoro:

.23 is harder for me to fix/test because the metadata handling has changed completely and I have no .23 system

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sphery:

OK, so downloading the cover art gives a 301 with a 215B response (same as reported in my logs), sets a cookie, and a new location that includes a GET query string. The new location seems to work whether or not you send the cookies and whether or not you send the query string.

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** wagnerrp really hates it when people ask for a lircrc for a logitech harmony remote **

[17:34:31]

wagnerrp:

clearly they dont actually know what the harmony remote does

[17:34:49]

wagnerrp:

so they spent a considerable sum of money for a device whose purpose escapes them

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jams:

well it does have a device named mythtv

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wagnerrp:

which is even more baffling

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wagnerrp:

considering 'mythtv' is piece of software, and not a hardware receiver that can pick up IR

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wagnerrp:

(i know the 'mythtv' profile is a duplicate of the hauppauge gray)

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rhollan:

GRRRRRRRRRR! The double-edged sword of mythbuntu autobuild updates cut meee!

[17:49:29]

rhollan:

I see that DVD artwork retrieval was "automagically fixed"

[17:49:40]

rhollan:

which was a good thing.

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Twiggy2cents:

hey I have a question. I have myth tv up and running with the backend/frontend working on the same machine but I cannot for the life of me get it to be able to accept logins from a remote computer on the network

[17:49:56]

rhollan:

But, the damn update turned off my mythweb apache2 authentication!

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: what do you mean by 'logins'

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Twiggy2cents:

I have set up the access as mythtv@& identifier mythtv

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rhollan:

Given that this is *strongly reccommended* for remote access in the comments in the file itself, I'm a bit miffed that the autobuild update turned it off.

[17:50:47]

Twiggy2cents:

If i type mysql -u mythtv(or root) -p mythconverg

[17:50:56]

Twiggy2cents:

After entering my password it will denies me

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wagnerrp:

so youre having trouble with mysql, not mythtv

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rhollan:

does the password work on the machine with mysql running on it?

[17:51:40]

rhollan:

because the default password is garbled random text unless you change it

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Twiggy2cents:

when I try to connect to the back end it says something about unknown socket connection mythsocket. Sorry im not near it and I dont remember it

[17:52:01]

Twiggy2cents:

rhollan, Yes it works on the mythbuntu machine

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rhollan:

So, you changed the password to mythconverg, right? Then it is a networking issue

[17:52:52]

Twiggy2cents:

I set the network ip to the computers ip in the mysql config file

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rhollan:

right, but are you running a firewall on the backend running mysql?

[17:53:42]

Twiggy2cents:

rhollan, sorry my memory on the syntax is wrong. mythconverg is the db Im trying to connect to.

[17:53:56]

clever:

Twiggy2cents: you need to tell mysql what host to connect to when doing it remotely, mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h hostname

[17:54:12]

rhollan:

Also, (others will know this): does the FE contact the DB directly or via some BE service other than mysqld?

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Twiggy2cents:

rhollan, the router has a wan firewall but i havent installed a firewall on the mythbuntu box

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rhollan:

after -p comes the password

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rhollan:

mysql -u mythtv -p<password with no space>

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Twiggy2cents:

clever, I posted the syntax wrong. Its doing that part right because then it prompts for my password afterwards

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rhollan:

O.K. so you are getting to mysql, then?

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Twiggy2cents:

on the computer witht he db, yes(root and mythtv). On the remote computer no, it is denied

[17:55:45]

Twiggy2cents:

Using the same password and user account

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clever:

Twiggy2cents: you need to add mythtv@% i think, not mythtv@&

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rhollan:

is mysql listening on all networks or just lo?

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Twiggy2cents:

rhollan, how would I check?

[17:56:23]

clever:

that too, by default on ubuntu it usualy listens on 127.0.0.1

[17:56:34]

clever:

netstat -anp|grep mysql|grep LIST

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wagnerrp:

rhollan: if its prompting for a password, he is successfully connecting to it

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Twiggy2cents:

clever, mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; thats what i told it

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clever:

wagnerrp: nope, it always asks before even trying to connect

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rhollan:

True, didn't realize he got that far

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wagnerrp:

oh? thats screwy

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rhollan:

huh?

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rhollan:

Trust clever on this one

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clever:

tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 32075/mysqld

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clever:

this is what it looks like when its listening on any interface

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Twiggy2cents:

okay should I change the ip in the mysql config file to 0.0.0.0?

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rhollan:

NO!

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Twiggy2cents:

okay so that should be the machines ip

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rhollan:

that just says listen on all network addressses

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rhollan:

anyrthing you want.

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clever:

Twiggy2cents: id just comment it out

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rhollan:

Can you run nmap on the FE to the BE to see what ports are open?

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clever:

ive had problems when entering things like 10.0.0.60 (my local ip) because then mysql completely fails to start, if it starts before the network

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Twiggy2cents:

okay I am not near the computer and wont be until later

[18:00:05]

Twiggy2cents:

If its not listening over the network, how do I fix that?

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clever:

edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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Twiggy2cents:

When mythbuntu installed I had it set it up for support for remote FE and samba and linux shares

[18:00:35]

clever:

# Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on

[18:00:35]

clever:

# localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure.

[18:00:35]

clever:

#bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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clever:

i just commented it out and now it works from any interface

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Twiggy2cents:

so comment out bind address

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clever:

and then restart mysql

[18:01:15]

Twiggy2cents:

how do I restart it with out restarting the computer?

[18:01:26]

clever:

just sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart

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rhollan:

yup, on the mythbuntu install, there's this in my.cnf:

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rhollan:

# Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on

[18:02:00]

rhollan:

# localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure.

[18:02:00]

rhollan:

bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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Twiggy2cents:

when I do anything with that command it give me a big long lecture on how to not use scripts for it and use service mysql stop or which ever.

[18:02:07]

Twiggy2cents:

whys is this?

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rhollan:

because service mysql restart does the same thing

[18:02:26]

rhollan:

and is more "polite".

[18:02:31]

clever:

ah, it seems they switched over to 'sudo servive mysql restart'

[18:02:37]

rhollan:

not all unices support the service command, though

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clever:

my old redhat9 did that ages ago

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Twiggy2cents:

but Im saying it doesnt let me /etc/init.d/mysql restart

[18:02:58]

Twiggy2cents:

okay so that is right then

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rhollan:

did you do it as root?

[18:03:05]

Twiggy2cents:

I was going to say it doesnt let

[18:03:10]

Twiggy2cents:

yes Ive tried sudo and su

[18:03:25]

rhollan:

what does it say when you try?

[18:03:51]

BLZbubba:

good morning. I just tried Handbrake-CLI instead of mencoder for the first time; is it possible/desirable to use it when doing MythTV DVD rips or TV transcodes?

[18:03:56]

Twiggy2cents:

I forget its a bunch of junk basically saying to use service (program) (action) syntax

[18:04:33]

rhollan:

yes, but it still does it.

[18:04:41]

Twiggy2cents:

oh I didnt realize

[18:04:42]

Twiggy2cents:

okay

[18:04:47]

highzeth:

Twiggy2cents: ubuntu has gone over to using 'upstart' so scripts are stored in /etc/init/ instead of /etc/init.d/ most daemons have been converted over to upstart, but some aint, why both are present. Using sudo service mysql stop (and .. start) will workd

[18:05:03]

Twiggy2cents:

oka

[18:05:04]

Twiggy2cents:

y

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rhollan:

At the very least you should see (after the warning) "mysql start/running, process xxxx" where xxxx is the mysqld pid

[18:05:46]

Twiggy2cents:

well I will try this tonight and if I'm still stuck I will post in here and see what is reccomened

[18:05:59]

Twiggy2cents:

yes i see that when i use the service command, not the script

[18:06:29]

clever:

back with redhat9, the service command was just a script that ran things in /etc/init.d/ for me, lol

[18:06:31]

rhollan:

I am angry that the mythbuntu autobuiild update unsecured my mythweb access

[18:07:04]

rhollan:

had to relock it down today.

[18:07:38]

Twiggy2cents:

okay thanks guys im gonna Idle in here for easy access if I need more assistance

[18:07:49]

rhollan:

That is somewhat concerning, since I access my music remotedly and don't want to run afoul of "making available" precedents.

[18:08:14]

cohn:

hi, trying to get my irblaster on com1 to work. Does this make sense?

[18:08:16]

cohn:

--driver=default -d /dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid

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rhollan:

back to work for me

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cohn:

i'm interested in the output portion

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wagnerrp:

rhollan: i would be more concerned about people finding your server through google, and deleting crap

[18:09:03]

cohn:

when i run irsend I get this: irsend: could not connect to socket

[18:09:03]

cohn:

irsend: Permission denied

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rhollan^Wrk:

either way, I am ticked off about it.

[18:09:19]

wagnerrp:

cohn: sounds like a user permissions issue

[18:09:27]

cohn:

on what?

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wagnerrp:

the lirc socket

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rhollan^Wrk:

I wonder if I could prevent content deletion by setting the actual media files R/O if the server got breached via the web interface

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rhollan^Wrk:

I mean geez! The mythweb.conf apache conf clearly reccomends locking it down, I did, and the update undid that.

[18:10:41]

wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: that would only work for videos, and only until it gets properly converted to storage groups

[18:10:54]

wagnerrp:

recordings are deleted through the backend, rather than by mythweb directly

[18:11:19]

rhollan^Wrk:

So, it would be a pain. but I have offline content backups

[18:11:39]

cohn:

wagnerrp: so you're saying i don't have write perms on /dev/lircd1?

[18:11:41]

rhollan^Wrk:

one can delete music files that are R/O on the disk?

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wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: pretty sure mythweb doesnt support deleting music at all

[18:12:05]

cohn:

or the /var/run... stuff?

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wagnerrp:

cohn: that was just a complete guess

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cohn:

oh

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: is a $MYTHPYTHON env variable somehow now necessary?

[18:12:45]

cohn:

it *seems* ok: srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2010-07–12 14:11 lircd

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iamlindoro:

I just tried to run a python script from MNV, I get:

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iamlindoro:

/usr/share/mythtv/internetcontent/technology.py -v

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iamlindoro:

/usr/bin/env: ${MYTHPYTHON}: No such file or directory

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rhollan^Wrk:

yeah, I would figure it was polished it would have levels of permission for read/edit/delete, but it was never advertised as being secure, so I can't fault it.

[18:13:14]

rhollan^Wrk:

I just stuck it behind an LDAP user account attribute check.

[18:13:35]

rhollan^Wrk:

Users have to be authorized for the mythtvService

[18:13:52]

rhollan^Wrk:

the update edited the mythweb.conf file and turned it off.

[18:14:08]

rhollan^Wrk:

bad update, naughty!

[18:14:12]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats supposed to be provided by the installer script following 25317

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rhollan^Wrk:

back to work...

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I have re-run configure, as recently as this AM, against current trunk-- but let me re-build clean ust to be sure

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wagnerrp:

when you run 'make install', its supposed to process all of those python files, and add in the proper bang path

[18:15:47]

wagnerrp:

although if $MYTHPYTHON does not exist when cpsvndir is run, it could leave the unresolved variable in there

[18:15:58]

wagnerrp:

i should put a default in there

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: After a make distclean, a reconfigure, a build from scratch, and install, I still get the same

[18:17:38]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: might need to do this... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1899178

[18:19:03]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: makes no difference here

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iamlindoro:

the string replacement appears to be happening (the scripts have that on the top line), it just no longer functions that way

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iamlindoro:

echo $MYTHPYTHON returns null

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Lamba:

lo all. – has anyone managed to get lirc working, particually with an audigy ex soundcard. Im really having alot of bother with it on ubuntu lucid

[18:20:46]

gbee:

iamlindoro: any title switching support yet?

[18:20:54]

iamlindoro:

gbee: No, not yet

[18:21:17]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Not sure if Mark intended to look at it (he invited others to add it)

[18:21:24]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: whoops, i actually meant http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1899181

[18:22:51]

cohn:

wagnerrp: not sure what else to try here... seems like my lirc permissions are right

[18:23:01]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ok then, couple of issues I might look at fixing if no-one else is working them, lang names for the audio and subtitle tracks being the other

[18:23:07]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Even with that change, it's still putting the $MYTHPYTHON line from above in

[18:23:26]

iamlindoro:

gbee: That would be neat, I had always assumed it was a demuxer issue

[18:23:48]

gbee:

iamlindoro: it might be, I've yet to look into it :)

[18:24:59]

gbee:

Band of Brothers looks excellant in HD, even the faux aging/grain

[18:25:44]

iamlindoro:

gbee: That said, the libmythbluray API *does* expose subtitle and audio languages

[18:26:13]

iamlindoro:

so you could use that to get the languages-- I'm fairly certain the streams themselves may lack the data, so you may need to use the lib to get them

[18:26:26]

gbee:

ok, that's not a problem

[18:26:51]

gbee:

it might even be what we do for DVDs, it's been so long that I can't remember

[18:27:16]

iamlindoro:

specifically, you pull up BLURAY_CLIP_INFO->audio_streams->lang

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gbee:

thanks

[18:28:56]

iamlindoro:

np, would have taken you five seconds on looking at bluray.h so not sure I saved you much time :)

[18:30:01]

** rhollan^Wrk perks up **

[18:30:11]

rhollan^Wrk:

libmythblueray?

[18:30:13]

gbee:

not sure when I'll get to it, I hope in the next couple of days but I'm already in the middle of two other tasks

[18:30:18]

iamlindoro:

no, libmythbluray ;)

[18:30:36]

iamlindoro:

gbee: no rush, we're off to a decent start but more polish is always nice

[18:30:54]

rhollan^Wrk:

so, a library for handling BDs?

[18:31:00]

iamlindoro:

yes

[18:31:08]

rhollan^Wrk:

with crypto?

[18:31:13]

gbee:

libudev is a steep learning curve because their docs assume you already have a good understanding of the sys/device architecture :(

[18:31:15]

wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: mythtv supports playback of unencrypted bluray disks, isos, and directory structures

[18:31:23]

** rhollan^Wrk expects a lot for free **

[18:31:33]

wagnerrp:

no open source project has sufficiently mature decrypto to use

[18:31:45]

rhollan^Wrk:

that's what I figured.

[18:31:53]

** rhollan^Wrk sticks to DVDs for now **

[18:32:27]

gbee:

another 3–6 months maybe ...

[18:33:17]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: what is the 'COPY_DIR' define in your mythtv/programs/scripts/Makefile?

[18:33:41]

rhollan^Wrk:

meh. I can live without it. I'd like it for the convenience, of course, but I have decided I will no longer purchase media that I can't simply use as an archival source for what I've licensed.

[18:34:18]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: COPY_DIR = MYTHPYTHON=python sh ./cpsvndir

[18:34:42]

iamlindoro:

That said, extremely technically speaking, our libmythbluray very likely supports decrypt in some fashion right now

[18:34:43]

wagnerrp:

so then it should exist in that script....

[18:35:21]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: All scripts contain: #!/usr/bin/env ${MYTHPYTHON}

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wagnerrp:

aww crap....

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wagnerrp:

mythtv/programs/scripts/cpsvndir, line 42.... those single quotes should be double quotes

[18:36:55]

iamlindoro:

yes, that does it

[18:37:12]

iamlindoro:

yup

[18:42:20]

iamlindoro:

youch, people see mythproto version mismatches and forcibly set the version... why do people think that sounds smart?

[18:43:13]

gbee:

easy to fix

[18:44:16]

iamlindoro:

Not that easy, ammunition is expensive and this counts as premeditation

[18:46:09]

mag0o:

ammunition for you is around $3/gal iamlindoro

[18:46:13]

gbee:

oh well

[18:46:21]

AndyCap:

O_o

[18:46:33]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: where is that?

[18:46:43]

iamlindoro:

"mythweb is slow" on -users

[18:47:30]

gbee:

but more seriously we've agreed to implement throttling and maybe even removing the correct version from the response, so it just needs to be done

[18:47:34]

wagnerrp:

even better that he arbitrarily set it to 'some value i found on google'

[18:48:06]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i dont think omitting the correct version from the response is the correct way to do it

[18:48:37]

wagnerrp:

its entirely reasonable that programs can implement multiple versions of the protocol

[18:48:54]

rhollan^Wrk:

I agree with that.

[18:48:55]

wagnerrp:

mythbox from xbmc does it to some extent (if it then proceeds to ignore the database schema)

[18:49:42]

wagnerrp:

but i think the check should be performed with some crypto hash, something that cannot be guessed, and must be programmed in

[18:50:00]

wagnerrp:

something with a bunch of

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gbee:

heh, that was going to be my other suggestion

[18:50:11]

wagnerrp:

'if version X, send hash Y'

[18:50:37]

gbee:

we do need a way to discourage clients simply echoing back the correct version number even when they have no understanding of that protocol version

[18:51:30]

wagnerrp:

having a new hash or key or something other than what is echoed to the client should be enough

[18:51:49]

wagnerrp:

at the very least, you would have to send out a new version

[18:51:57]

rhollan^Wrk:

that is not possible in theory: anything you do to make it more difficult can be wrapped in a library to make it simple, because the client has to have all the necessaryu information to communicate in the first place.

[18:52:02]

wagnerrp:

even if the only thing that was updated was a table of keys

[18:52:36]

wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: sure, there is no way of preventing the client from lying

[18:52:43]

rhollan^Wrk:

so, why try?

[18:52:45]

wagnerrp:

but theres nothing stopping us from making it less easy

[18:53:20]

wagnerrp:

with the above method, /something/ would have to be updated to allow the client to continue improperly connecting to the backend

[18:53:37]

iamlindoro:

rhollan^Wrk: Because allowing clients to charade as a protocol they don't speak results in broken data and non-working systems

[18:53:46]

gbee:

the challenge/response system along with throttling after the second attempt is probably the best bet

[18:53:59]

iamlindoro:

So the harder we can make it for short-cutters, the less likely we are to have to clean up the mess

[18:54:00]

rhollan^Wrk:

that shouldn't happen. It should result in broken functionality on the CLIENT side only.

[18:54:18]

wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: it should, you are correct

[18:54:24]

iamlindoro:

also, ponies

[18:54:27]

rhollan^Wrk:

you're relying too much on the client to maintain integrity of your backend, and that is bad.

[18:54:27]

gbee:

and much tigher input validation on our end too, to simply reject bad input where we can recognise it as such

[18:54:32]

wagnerrp:

but no one has bothered doing much securing of the backend protocol against a fuzzer

[18:55:40]

AndyCap:

" anything you do to make it more difficult can be wrapped in a library to make it simple"

[18:55:47]

AndyCap:

you mean like the bindings? :P

[18:56:02]

gbee:

rhollan^Wrk: heh, I don't think at any point MythTV has advertised itself as a server to which any application can connect, the protocol exists in the first place for mythfrontend, the third party frontends simply latched on

[18:56:13]

rhollan^Wrk:

well, one can make the bindings more difficult to cheat, but someone will wrap that

[18:56:39]

rhollan^Wrk:

gbee: right, and if people cheat and bust their backends it should be their problem,

[18:56:59]

iamlindoro:

Lots of things should be true-- but they still become our problem

[18:57:15]

wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: the problem is that someone comes in here with a busted backend, floods the channel and wastes our time with help requests

[18:57:24]

rhollan^Wrk:

I understand WHY you want to prevent this, but it is only your problem if you let it be that. You're going down a rathole trying to prevent it.

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gbee:

so no, as it currently stands little effort is made on the server side to guarentee integrity, the protocol version was there to do that but third party clients are simply ignoring the dangers of faking support so we want to send a message

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wagnerrp:

how would we know if something is a legitimate problem, or one caused by people with broken clients?

[18:58:04]

gbee:

rhollan^Wrk: we can't prevent it, we can only make a point

[18:58:11]

rhollan^Wrk:

wagnerrp: then the proper solution is to fix the protocol to only break the frontend if one cheats. But, that is much harder than a hack, I know. But, it will cause much pain down the road.

[18:59:10]

iamlindoro:

Thanks for the input, but this is already decided as a bit of protection we feel is worthwhile

[18:59:10]

wagnerrp:

i dont deny that

[18:59:21]

AndyCap:

I hear flexera sells a solution to your problem

[18:59:36]

wagnerrp:

but its still much easier to help someone with a 'i have a protocol mismatch', than 'my client X isnt working for unknown reasons'

[19:00:03]

rhollan^Wrk:

If you want a per-protocol version protection mechanism as a hack, then yes, requiring the client to include a hash of each request that is unique to the protocol based on an out of band per-protocol key, that will help.

[19:00:07]

rhollan^Wrk:

the key is "out of band".

[19:00:57]

rhollan^Wrk:

if you distribute the keys per protocol version on a web site, someone will write an automatic scraper.

[19:01:13]

rhollan^Wrk:

And some noob will download their software using that scraper and you will be back to square one.

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wagnerrp:

the code is freely available, and on trac

[19:01:50]

rhollan^Wrk:

If you distribute the keys in captcha images that someone will actually have to code, then someone will make a lookup table, and again some noob will use it to cheat.

[19:01:51]

wagnerrp:

nothing would stop them from writing a scraper, and nothing would change to prevent that

[19:02:14]

rhollan^Wrk:

Right, and then you'd have noobs suffering because they inadvertently used the scraper.

[19:02:17]

wagnerrp:

but if someone were to write a scraper to allow them to bypass such locks, hopefully someone would shoot them

[19:02:35]

** high-rez is totally lost **

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rhollan^Wrk:

You are trying to DRM a protocol, and that will result in (a) a war of escalation. and (b) a different set of protocl problems.

[19:03:07]

wagnerrp:

no, we were simply trying to implement some challange response

[19:03:10]

gbee:

FFS again, no-one is talking about an unbreakable, infallable mechanism!

[19:03:22]

rhollan^Wrk:

so, you want to stop people from being stupid, but you can't stop people from being malicious.

[19:03:31]

wagnerrp:

correct

[19:03:41]

rhollan^Wrk:

and stupid people will use what malicious people provide because it is "easy".

[19:04:05]

iamlindoro:

It's really moot, this is the way we are going, thanks for the input, if you'd like to improve the protocol's response to bad data, patches would be very appreciated

[19:04:30]

iamlindoro:

And that's not said facetiously-- if you feel the energy would be better spent elsewhere, spending it yourself would be very appreciated

[19:05:06]

rhollan^Wrk:

So it hinges on if you believe there will not be enough malicious people to cause a problem, or that can be nipped in the bud, as in "Oh, if you use library X, we won't help you at all in here".

[19:05:21]

gbee:

there are a hundred ways to damage a mythtv installation if you want to do it, this isn't about security, it's just about making third party developers stop and think for a moment

[19:06:07]

rhollan^Wrk:

gbee: if they DID think, you wouldn't have this problem. It's utter stupidity to fake out the protocol version

[19:06:47]

rhollan^Wrk:

I think the right solution is to reengineer the protocol to avoid the problem on the backend with integrity issues caused by misbehaving clients.

[19:07:06]

wagnerrp:

rhollan^Wrk: we would love for you to tell the xbmc/cmyth people that

[19:07:08]

gbee:

we're doing both

[19:07:08]

rhollan^Wrk:

I'd LIKE to do that, but it won't be easy, and I'd expect a serious uphill battle for such a major change.

[19:07:22]

gbee:

and that's all there is to it

[19:07:26]

wagnerrp:

theyve been doing it that way for years, with no intention to change

[19:08:04]

rhollan^Wrk:

so, you do have one malicious/stupid group already. You think a bit of extra work will stop them?

[19:08:17]

wagnerrp:

it would make it considerably harder for them

[19:08:19]

iamlindoro:

This conversation is going nowhere

[19:08:20]

rhollan^Wrk:

the answer is to stop supporting that distro on that hardware in here.

[19:08:28]

rhollan^Wrk:

No, it would NOT make it harder.

[19:08:35]

rhollan^Wrk:

not for long.

[19:08:35]

gbee:

enough

[19:08:36]

iamlindoro:

rhollan^Wrk: enough.

[19:08:37]

wagnerrp:

we already dont support the use of xbmc with mythtv

[19:08:37]

gbee:

no more

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gbee:

my fault for discussing it in here to start with

[19:09:08]

rhollan^Wrk:

You will see. I've gone down this protocol protection escalation path before.

[19:09:15]

iamlindoro:

k, thanks

[19:10:11]

gbee:

one more word on the subject and I'll start kicking people, this isn't productive in fact it's just wasted 20 minutes of time we could have spent writing code

[19:12:35]

rhollan^Wrk:

Then the only other avenue is for someone to look at hardening the backend against frontend requests that break DB integrity. THAT might be worthwhile for me to look at, if it is even possible.

[19:13:15]

rhollan^Wrk:

Or, perhaps at least a dbck utility to check for integrity problems after the fact.

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rhollan^Wrk:

IOW, if someone DID bork their DB because they used code that cheated the protocol version, it could be detected FAST before wasting too much time on support (and possibly partially repaired).

[19:14:24]

sphery:

the latter would be very not user friendly as it would require new checks added for every bit of data and would be /very/ version dependent

[19:14:27]

rhollan^Wrk:

rather like fsck for filesystems.

[19:14:35]

iamlindoro:

rhollan^Wrk: You are pushing your luck

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[19:14:42]

iamlindoro:

Not one more word means just that

[19:14:53]

sphery:

constant updates for an after-the-fact db check would require more time than we have free for development

[19:14:58]

sphery:

I'll be quiet now

[19:15:04]

gbee:

wise

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cohn:

this is odd: when i run lircd like this: lircd --driver=default -d /dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid -n (note the -n) my irblaster works

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cohn:

why is lirc so finnicky when it comes to irblasters?

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iamlindoro:

unixSnob: Since you're only in this channel, not sure what you hope to accomplish with the nick changes, but please keep them family friendly and infrequent. Second warning

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unixSnob:

iamlindoro: how do you figure i'm only in this channel?

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iamlindoro:

whois suggests it, but the warning stands all the same

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unixSnob:

no, of course i didn't intend to be the butt-snifr in here, among couch potatos

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unixSnob:

iamlindoro: no, whois only shows you the channels you share in common with someone

[20:00:27]

unixSnob:

iamlindoro: if you were in the right channel with me, you might have gotten some of the fun

[20:00:32]

unixSnob:

but you missed out

[20:00:38]

unixSnob:

no reason to get angry

[20:00:43]

iamlindoro:

unixSnob: That's secondary to the violation of our channel rules, so once again, please no further such nick changes when here

[20:01:00]

iamlindoro:

Not angry, simply enforcing our channel rules

[20:01:19]

unixSnob:

no nick changes? i think you're making rules up as you go

[20:01:43]

iamlindoro:

Nick changes are fine, but they must be family friendly

[20:01:45]

unixSnob:

anyone in a position to enforce rules would know that whois only shows channels you're also in

[20:02:02]

iamlindoro:

I assure you, I am all too happy to enforce them

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GreyFoxx:

that's not 100% accurate. It shows non secret(+s) channels AND the ones you have in common

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GreyFoxx:

yay

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unixSnob:

either way, it's always a shame to have americans enforcing channel policy, because they represent the most prude viewpoint possible

[20:04:45]

kormoc:

unixSnob, feel free to start your own channel

[20:05:16]

iamlindoro:

nobody is being discourteous to you, sorry that you don't agree, but those are the rules and I'll ask again that you abide by them when here

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unixSnob:

nobody is being discourteous to you, sorry that you don't agree <- that's a strawman.. I never said that

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unixSnob:

I simply stated that a prude interpretation of the rules is at issue

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iamlindoro:

sorry you feel that way

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unixSnob:

not the rules themselves

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iamlindoro:

the interpretation stands

[20:06:31]

unixSnob:

the rules themselves are quite fine actually

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iamlindoro:

So allow me to set some reasonable expectations-- if I feel you violate the same rule a third time, after having had it mentioned to you several times, I will proceed with a short ban. If the behavior continues, the ban may become permanent.

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iamlindoro:

I would rather simply see the behavior (and this conversation) end here, however

[20:08:11]

cohn:

can anyone help me get lirc working properly along with an irblaster?

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cohn:

anyone??

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iamlindoro:

cohn: Most people prefer not to volunteer for anything that is not a specific problem. You would be much better off providing a detailed explanation of your problem, and specific questions

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cohn:

ok

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cohn:

i'm trying to get lirc to work with both mythfrontend and my irblaster. i'm not sure what to do here. I can start lirc on the command line with the -n option and have it work

[20:19:17]

cohn:

it's on a mythdora 12 install if that helps

[20:19:38]

iamlindoro:

cohn: so why not just add -n to your hardware.conf arguments?

[20:19:49]

cohn:

where is that?

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iamlindoro:

wherever your distro puts lirc config files, likely some variation on /etc/lirc/

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cohn:

it's fedora 12 so i'm guessing in /etc/sysconfig?

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iamlindoro:

I somewhat doubt -n is what is making it work for you, hoever

[20:20:54]

iamlindoro:

doubtful

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iamlindoro:

sysconfig is completely different

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cohn:

i honestly don't know why it does work with that

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cohn:

i'm using the -n option with my irblaster

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iamlindoro:

-n just means don't run lircd as a daemon, it doesn't change lirc operation at all

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cohn:

i've all but given up on getting the frontend to work. =(

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cohn:

ok, halfway there... got the frontend working with lirc

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cohn:

lol... the fix for my lirc problems was just a 'yum update' away...

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** cohn facepalms **

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justinh:

hmm. got a recording listed as 0GB in mythfrontend but the file is actually a realistic size. mythcommflag --rebuild is failing – or rather just going round & round saying "Duplicate entry '1001-2010-07–12 21:00:00-9–86490' for key 'PRIMARY'"

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justinh:

any idea what I can do about this?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: how about delete from recordedseek where starttime = "2010-07–12 21:00:00"; ?

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iamlindoro:

and then a retry?

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dustybin:

does comm flag work in the UK?

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justinh:

oh darn. I was wrong about the file size. guessed the wrong chanid. no file. worse news :(

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justinh:

and nowt of note in the log either

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justinh:

file size 376 bytes :-\

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justinh:

weird thing is MFE was listing the start time & end time both as 9pm

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justinh:

nothing wrong according to mysqlcheck

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justinh:

ah... log... "2010-07–12 21:00:06.330 DVBRec(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Stream handler died unexpectedly."

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... comflagging h.264 really kicks my systems' *bleep*... mythweb is basically not usable because of it...

[21:14:18]

kormoc:

Heh, tis why I commflag on my mac pro :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Even at pri 37 and nice 17, one is using 93% of a cpu, the other 87% of the 2nd... eek...

[21:15:21]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, 4 jobs eat up 100% of 6 of my cores (2.8 ghz)

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dustybin:

what kind of commflag detection works in the UK?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ouch.

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dustybin:

well i never

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: my understanding is that commflagging isn't very accurate in the UK.

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wagnerrp:

6 cores?

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_detection_in_the_UK

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, out of 8

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wagnerrp:

dual quad workstation?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: Here in the us, i use the 'both' iirc...

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** wagnerrp needs moar powah **

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... 'both' mode iirc...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's epic overkill, but oh so nice

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justinh:

dustybin: no use for most channels except where the logo it taken off for ads. you should know that since you've asked more than once before

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** J-e-f-f-A needs moar ceepeeeuuu too. **

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** dustybin returns to being silent **

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** J-e-f-f-A used to think this Athlon 64 X2 6000+ was fast... Well, it is, but h.264 commflagging still kicks it arse... **

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kormoc:

h.264 commflagging is purely "toss it some cores you won't miss" type of requirement

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Can you toss me the other 2 that you're not using? ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehehehehe

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, that's $400 of cpu still ;)

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) **

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itsmex:

hi

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J-e-f-f-A:

So who's working on the CUDA h.264 commflagger?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, xeon's are expensive

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: beirdo has some form of that on his (quite large) plate of things to work on

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itsmex:

by starting mythtv-setup i got the error mythtv-setup: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt44/lib/libQtWebKit.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN24QXmlStreamEntityResolver13resolveEntityERK7QStringS2_ – does anyone knows this error?

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kormoc:

itsmex, recompile myth

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kormoc:

or qt

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wagnerrp:

itsmex: what version of myth are you running?

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itsmex:

0.23

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wagnerrp:

then yeah, just recompile something

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: nice... ;-) I was just joking, but hey, glad to hear it's at least on someone's radar... (I wish I had the time to figure it out!)

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itsmex:

I installed from atrpms

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itsmex:

via yum = rpm

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: to be fair, it has been on his radar for half the past decade

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kormoc:

oh how time has flown

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kormoc:

it seems like yesterday I fired that video card...

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Gputrans

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itsmex:

wagnerrp: should I reinstall mythtv?

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kormoc:

itsmex, you'll need to talk to the packager

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wagnerrp:

itsmex: library errors such as that mean your application is not matched with your libraries

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wagnerrp:

qt44 is quite old, its possible mythtv was simply compiled for a newer version

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itsmex:

ah, ok

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justinh:

well looks like I've got whatever ticket 6897 is about

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but he had a 'distraction' the last few years, no?

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wagnerrp:

did the replacement OSD popup ever get written?

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iamlindoro:

The MythUI'd version of the old one (that only works in a video context) exists

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iamlindoro:

But the generic notification widget has not been

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iamlindoro:

Get the feeling that is pretty low on gbee's list, don't expect to see it any time soon and nobody else has mentioned any interest in writing it

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wagnerrp:

no, just making an 'OSD Popup Scripts' category, and wanted to mention that tidbit

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Mambou:

Hey! Does anyone have a glue why I am having worse reception under mythtv than using some cheap ass windows client ?

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iamlindoro:

family friendly language here, please

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Mambou:

oh, sry my bad

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iamlindoro:

and it's likely because your driver in linux is open source and reverse engineered, versus being written by people with access to data sheets

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Mambou:

oh, makes perfectly sense tho

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Mambou:

the only thing between me & mythtv :I

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wagnerrp:

what the name of the '`' character?

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Mambou:

does anyone else have that similar kind of a problem using older cx88 based cards ?

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Mambou:

since what i've read it should be pretty well supported but who knows

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: apparently its a grave accent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60

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egon__:

i've heard it called a backtick more often than anything else.

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Toast:

How long does 0.23 take to build? (eg on a 3GHz P4)

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itsmex:

by updating the database from a older DB-version mythtv-setup shows an error "Table 'oldrecorded' is read only"

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kormoc:

itsmex, that's because oldrecorded is a crashed table

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itsmex:

I already checked the users-table.

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itsmex:

ah

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itsmex:

kormoc: how could I repair it?

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kormoc:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/myisam-repair.html

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Wicked:

iirc there is a mysql --check-db or something along those lines

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kormoc:

that page goes over all the supported options

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itsmex:

ok, I will try it – thx so far

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itsmex:

kormoc: I tried "myisamchk -r -e oldrecorded" but it still donÂ´t work

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kormoc:

you'll have to read the error log and see why it's marked read only then

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itsmex:

kormoc: you mean /var/log/mysqld.log?

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Wicked:

itsmex, try "mysqlcheck --repair -uroot -p --all-databases"

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itsmex:

mythconverg.oldprogram

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itsmex:

error : Table 'mythconverg.oldprogram' is read only

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itsmex:

mythconverg.oldrecorded

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itsmex:

error : Table 'mythconverg.oldrecorded' is read only

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Wicked:

ah.

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Wicked:

no idea...my mysql skills are very basic

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Wicked:

maybe try #mysql

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itsmex:

ok, thx I will try it

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kormoc:

itsmex, you sure you have enough free disk space?

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ekristen:

good evening, I think there is something wrong with the scheduler on my myth install, I have something with a higher priority but it isn't taking precidence over something with a lower priority and I have restarted the backend twice

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kormoc:

ekristen, turn off "Allow rescheduling higher priority shows"

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keith4__:

gbee: mplayer doesn't show the subtitles, either

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keith4__:

(re: our earlier discussion)

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ekristen:

kormoc: where is that at?

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ekristen:

and my higher ones aren't getting rescheduled higher

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kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scheduling_Recordi . . . r_Priorities

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ekristen:

thanks kormoc

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ekristen:

kormoc: do I need to do anything once I make that change to make it take effect?

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kormoc:

don't think so, just wait for the scheduler to run again

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NightDragon:

hey guys, does anyone know a good channel to go to for some good systems administration advice?

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