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Wednesday, July 7th, 2010, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:18] wagnerrp: other than animation and other flash
[00:00:48] Brik1: lol, i need more time with it. I just havent had the wow factor like I have when watching demos of xbmc
[00:01:02] Beirdo: buh
[00:01:10] wagnerrp: well im sure iamlindoro would put together a similar 'wow' video with mythtv
[00:01:23] wagnerrp: but a video doesnt make either a good user experience
[00:01:32] wagnerrp: s/would/could
[00:01:48] Beirdo: just like trailers don't make a good moview
[00:01:57] Beirdo: s/w$//
[00:02:40] Beirdo: sed FTW
[00:03:08] Brik1: i'll hold my tounge until I get more time with it. I just got my channels and guide listings correct. It only took me about 6 hours of effen around.
[00:04:50] Brik1: off to the other room to play, thanks all
[00:05:54] wagnerrp: the setup is a known usability issue
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[00:06:38] wagnerrp: but youve got to trade off ease for configurablility
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[00:06:56] Beirdo: as always... tradeoffs
[00:06:57] Beirdo: heh
[00:07:22] wagnerrp: any every time we try to remove anything to make things simpler, the non-contributing users come out of the wood works with their antiquated systems complaining why they need feature X or option Y
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[00:10:01] wagnerrp: clever: the bigger issue with embedding mysql is that the database would now be under the control of mythbackend
[00:10:15] wagnerrp: and when you have control over all access to the database
[00:10:31] wagnerrp: theres a lot of stuff you can now do so far as maintenance and recovery
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[00:11:00] wagnerrp: as it stands, mythtv is just one more user of the mysql server
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[00:29:28] wagnerrp: doesnt mythgallery always run in 'browse' mode?
[00:29:36] wagnerrp: there are no database tables that it scans to are there?
[00:36:18] clever: wagnerrp: yeah, you could easily lock the db safely and backup the entire thing with little fuss
[00:36:52] wagnerrp: that all falls apart if the database crashes
[00:37:16] clever: automatic incremental backups could help with recovery
[00:40:01] clever: though depending on the cause, it could go down the exact same code-path and just crash again
[00:42:34] dmz: quick question; where does myth save the background pictures used in theme view of recordings (ie each show has it's own background image)? one is corrupt & I need to remove it
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[00:56:35] wagnerrp: wherever you told it to store background pictures in mythvideo
[00:56:44] wagnerrp: recordings down actually support artwork
[00:57:20] wagnerrp: specific themes pull artwork from where it expects it might be through mythvideo
[00:57:26] wagnerrp: s/down/dont/
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[01:03:22] dmz: ah, no wonder i couldn't find it, i wasn't expecting it in mythvideo
[01:11:18] MaverickTech: speaking of mythvideo, I have problem with mythvideo on MythWeb
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[01:12:06] MaverickTech: I am using storage groups now, on 0–23, but if I go more than 2 directories deep in the tree, then the URL's are messed up
[01:12:13] MaverickTech: e.g. >> http://blahblah/mythwebx/video?path=%2FSeries . . . ticaSeason+4
[01:12:40] MaverickTech: there should be a %2F between +Galactica and Season+4 :(
[01:13:58] wagnerrp: urls?
[01:14:04] wagnerrp: oh, mythweb
[01:14:13] wagnerrp: right, mythweb is a bit borked as far as mythvideo goes
[01:14:16] MaverickTech: yah :)
[01:15:20] MaverickTech: not losing any sleep over it, I can repair them manually if I am trying to do something on myhtweb
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[01:20:59] simcop2387-lap: anyone know if an hdhomerun can capture multiple channels that are on the same "frequency" (e.g. they're all subchannels as some places call them)
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[01:21:26] simcop2387-lap: and how many it can do
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[01:32:13] dmz: hmm, if my settings for directories that hold movie posters / screenshots / banners is all blank where would it dump them?
[01:32:41] wagnerrp: why do you expect to dump them in there?
[01:32:46] wagnerrp: s/why/what/
[01:33:12] dmz: i'm trying to find where my frontend is storing the recordings background images; i have one that's corrupt & need to reget it
[01:33:35] wagnerrp: clear your theme cache
[01:33:39] wagnerrp: ~/.mythtv/themecache
[01:33:40] wagnerrp: just delete it
[01:34:19] dmz: got it, thanks
[01:34:22] dmz: it's the fanart
[01:34:27] dmz: l
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[01:48:58] wagnerrp: some people dont seem to understand the phrase "the cat's out of the bag"
[01:54:14] Captain_Murdoch: simcop2387, yes, mythtv supports that, search for 'multirec'. I record multiple programs off a single clear-QAM frequency on my cable using my HDHR.
[01:55:01] wagnerrp: that got added for DVB cards in 0.20.0? and for the HDHR in 0.22
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[01:55:18] [R]: SWEET
[01:55:24] [R]: when did trac become a mail order bridge catalog?
[01:56:11] wagnerrp: ?
[01:56:40] [R]: did you not see 8644 when it went on the mailing list?
[01:57:04] [R]: #8644: Girls for marriage
[01:58:01] wagnerrp: i recall someone saying that phrase, but had no idea what they were talking about
[01:58:07] wagnerrp: seem to have missed that email
[01:58:14] [R]: 4:11am pst this morning
[01:58:15] wagnerrp: i seem to be missing a lot of email from the mailing list
[01:58:24] wagnerrp: not sure whats causing it
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[02:09:39] simcop2387-lap: Captain_Murdoch: any idea how many they usually support that way?
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[02:10:10] Captain_Murdoch: theoretically as many as your cable operator or TV station crams into one frequency.
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[02:10:42] Captain_Murdoch: I think there might be a hard-set limit on the setting,but I can't recall what. might be 6 or something, but I really don't recall.
[02:11:18] wagnerrp: 5 last i heard
[02:11:42] simcop2387-lap: Captain_Murdoch: i'm setting up a neat setup, comcast has a channel on my unsubscribed cable that has SD versions of all the local networks, so i'm using one tuner hooked up to that, and one to an antenna for HD (which isn't a big deal for me, i need to upgrade things to play that back properly anyway), so i'm going to now be able to record all the networks at once if needed :)
[02:12:08] wagnerrp: arbitrarily set in mythtv, due to hardware limitations of the filters on many tuner cards, and the inability of the scheduler to scale to dozens of tuners
[02:13:14] simcop2387-lap: with this i'll have 8!
[02:13:23] simcop2387-lap: i'll theoretically be able to record 8 things at once
[02:13:42] simcop2387-lap: but only if they're all on JUST the right configuration
[02:15:52] [R]: theres 8 good things on at the tsame time?
[02:17:40] simcop2387-lap: dunno
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[02:24:17] simcop2387-lap: hmm now its all the guide data
[02:24:42] high-rez: What's the best way to play adobe flash from inside of myth? If I install adobe flash player will it work with mythweb ?
[02:25:07] wagnerrp: what good would mythweb do?
[02:25:24] wagnerrp: and how would you install the flash player on a web server?
[02:26:22] high-rez: wagnerrp: Its a livetv stream embedded on a web page.
[02:26:37] high-rez: (foreign language for my wifes relatives who are here at the moment : -)
[02:26:47] wagnerrp: when it comes to flash, the best move is not to play
[02:26:58] wagnerrp: besides that, you can use mythbrowser
[02:27:04] wagnerrp: and depending on the content, mythnetvision
[02:27:26] high-rez: Is there a way to verify it'll play in netvision? I'm looking at the page soruce at the moment.
[02:27:38] wagnerrp: MNV just pulls up pages in mythbrowser
[02:27:53] wagnerrp: and unless youve got an RSS feed, or want to write your own grabber
[02:28:07] high-rez: I just have one static link that I want it to pull :)
[02:28:08] wagnerrp: the best option is to just add the link to mythbrowser
[02:28:11] wagnerrp: and open it that way
[02:28:48] high-rez: Alrighty. I'll give it a try. I thought I remembered a long time ago flash was playing in mythweb for me, but for some reason right now its not :/
[02:28:54] high-rez: (cnn.com at least)
[02:28:58] high-rez: will have to play with it I guess.
[02:29:11] high-rez: I shouldn't have any ptroblems with 10.1 no ?
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[02:40:21] Beirdo: I need a mythbeer
[02:41:40] wagnerrp: adobe has never really released a stabile version of flash for linux
[02:41:43] wagnerrp: s/for linux//
[02:44:00] simcop2387-lap: they've released reasonable beta quality versions occasionally
[02:44:10] simcop2387-lap: those are usually phased out quickly
[02:44:34] high-rez: s/for linux/for any platform/g
[02:44:48] wagnerrp: they release garbage
[02:45:17] wagnerrp: i havent had a browser crash in the last several years that i havent traced back to some site running flash
[02:45:50] wagnerrp: its astounding how much more stable firefox is with some form of flash blocker (or flash simply not installed)
[02:46:27] [R]: the new firefox is supposed to run them in a separate little dealy though
[02:46:55] wagnerrp: that just means ive got a separate process to kill, and then refresh the pages to restart it
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[02:52:44] Beirdo: this Futurama is SUCH a keeper
[02:52:55] Beirdo: dissing the iPhone and Apple... FTW
[02:52:59] simcop2387-lap: :)
[02:53:10] J-e-f-f-A: Hey Beirdo... I'm getting "disabling MythWeather; missing DateTime::Format::ISO8601" – even though the module is installed... /me is confused...
[02:53:15] Beirdo: that reminds me... gotta charge my 3G
[02:53:28] Beirdo: J-e-f-f-A: ummm, you sure?
[02:53:46] J-e-f-f-A: I just installed it via CPAN, yeah...
[02:54:34] Beirdo: do: perl -MDateTime::Format::ISO8601 -e 0
[02:54:46] Beirdo: does that give error?
[02:54:49] high-rez: ABGP has made firefox a fantastic experience.
[02:54:53] J-e-f-f-A: Beirdo: Ugh, maybe it didn't install due to some dependency... I answered a bunch of questions with "yes", but just did the install again, and it's prompting me to install dependencies again... ugh...
[02:54:56] high-rez: s/ABGP/ABP
[02:55:04] Beirdo: oh
[02:55:08] Beirdo: that would do it
[02:55:34] Beirdo: the check that configure does is tries to use ${LIBRARYNAME}
[02:55:46] Beirdo: so... perl didn't think it was installed :)
[02:56:06] Beirdo: and that's no surprise if it failed install :)
[02:56:13] J-e-f-f-A: Beirdo: Yeah... "Can't locate DateTime/Format/ISO8601.pm in @INC".... ugh...
[02:56:56] Beirdo: right
[02:57:45] ** J-e-f-f-A shakes his fist at CPAN and hopes it behaves this time...  ;-) **
[02:57:52] Beirdo: "these eyePhones are phones too!"
[02:59:00] Beirdo: dissing Twitter pretty hard too
[02:59:38] J-e-f-f-A: Beirdo: Ok it worked the 2nd time around.... Is that normal??? (ie CPAN not really installing a module...)
[02:59:39] simcop2387-lap: and soon a uk citizen!
[02:59:59] Beirdo: not what I normally have seen, no
[03:00:41] J-e-f-f-A: Because this is the 2nd or 3rd system that has given me headaches about installing perl modules... but this time it worked the 2nd time around...
[03:00:54] Beirdo: weird
[03:01:35] simcop2387-lap: J-e-f-f-A: that is weird, if you ever run into more trouble with it, try us in #perl there ought to be someone who can help you figure it out
[03:01:45] simcop2387-lap: either me or any of the other 500 people in there
[03:02:13] Beirdo: unless you mistakenly said not to install a dependency, of course
[03:04:07] J-e-f-f-A: Beirdo: The only thing I did differently the 2nd time around was typed "yes" to all the prompts, intstead of letting it default and press 'enter'...
[03:04:28] Beirdo: hehe, odd
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[03:18:04] J-e-f-f-A: simcop2387-lap: Thanks btw... ;-)
[03:19:52] ** J-e-f-f-A thinks he may finally have his systems all up 99% ... just have to re-do my mythweather screens now... ;-) **
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[03:23:35] TUplink: im getting this error when trying to download video info from TMDB 2010-07–06 23:16:20.513 Fanart download finished: Tried to write myth://Videos@192.168.15.240:6543/1824_fanart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 220). 1 any idea what it means?
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[03:24:03] TUplink: like maybe what folder on the backend it would be trying to write to?
[03:24:04] momelod: greetings channel.
[03:24:08] wagnerrp: it means mythvideo needs some fixin' due to changes by themoviedb.org
[03:24:15] TUplink: ok....
[03:24:22] TUplink: not a backend issue then?
[03:24:56] momelod: quick question. how to i tag videos for archiving? when i go to add videos to the archive none of my videos show up in the list of files to archive.
[03:25:21] wagnerrp: the archive? meaning mytharchive?
[03:25:54] momelod: wagnerrp, precisely
[03:26:11] wagnerrp: never used it
[03:26:21] momelod: u should, its an awesome feature
[03:26:31] momelod: i've used it before.. but its been so long... :)
[03:27:05] momelod: easiest way i've found to date to convert multiple vids w/ different sources to a standard dvd
[03:27:20] wagnerrp: never found a need to do so
[03:27:32] momelod: for the life of me tho i can not remember how i did it :D
[03:27:59] momelod: wagnerrp, proof of good software.. u never use it to its full abilities :)
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[03:28:25] wagnerrp: isnt that usually called 'bloat'?
[03:29:09] wagnerrp: nah, i wont call mytharchive bloat...
[03:29:22] wagnerrp: it only makes sense that mythtv be able to burn stuff to dvds
[03:29:31] wagnerrp: just never personally had a reason to do so
[03:29:54] momelod: i suppose if it ran things in the background that eat up memory it would be concidered bloatware. but if the option is there for advanced functionality with no impact on performance if u dont use that feature... u cant call it bloatware
[03:30:18] wagnerrp: its called 'feature bloat'
[03:30:26] momelod: its called whip cream
[03:30:36] wagnerrp: its when you have features that none of the active developers have reason to use
[03:30:44] wagnerrp: so it stagnates, and stops functioning
[03:30:53] wagnerrp: or otherwise eats up time that could be spent elsewhere
[03:30:58] momelod: but its modular.. so i have to disagree
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[03:33:31] momelod: regardless, its excellent software in it's current state. unfortunately the documentation isn't available for those of us 'end users' to be able to use it :)
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[03:34:24] wagnerrp: my biggest complaint about both mytharchive and mtd is that theyre not run through the jobqueue
[03:36:17] wagnerrp: on the other hand, the jobqueue would really need to be expanded and generalized to support them
[03:37:24] momelod: agreed, but as i said im an end user and "beggers cant be choosers" so im just happy it works at all
[03:37:32] momelod: ..if i could only remember how :)
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[03:38:51] ** Beirdo burps **
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[03:39:45] wagnerrp: speaking of which, ive got a task open to work on that
[03:39:59] wagnerrp: i should probably bump it to 0.25, and start working on it
[03:40:21] wagnerrp: if i wait too long, Capt'M will get through his current todo list and snag it for himself
[03:40:25] Beirdo: hehe
[03:40:34] Beirdo: oh we can try to keep him occupied
[03:40:58] momelod: kudos
[03:41:02] momelod: i love the software
[03:41:09] momelod: u developers kick ars
[03:41:15] momelod: just wish i could contrib
[03:41:17] Beirdo: only each others'
[03:41:32] wagnerrp: why cant you?
[03:41:47] momelod: i cant even figure out how to add a video file to an archive...
[03:42:27] Beirdo: you'll get there
[03:42:35] momelod: thanx Beirdo
[03:42:38] ** wagnerrp got commit access by rewriting a chunk of code sufficiently large that no one else wanted to maintain it **
[03:43:18] Beirdo: heh
[03:43:31] ** momelod is a bottom feeder **
[03:43:31] Beirdo: and trust me, there are more of those
[03:43:47] wagnerrp: although what i wrote at the time was crap, and ive replaced about half of it in the past couple months
[03:44:12] Beirdo: hehe
[03:44:29] wagnerrp: but hey, its a learning experience
[03:44:41] momelod: if it works it aint crap
[03:44:51] momelod: gimme commit access, ill show u crap :D
[03:44:55] wagnerrp: no, it was crap
[03:45:08] wagnerrp: but thats what you get with no real formal training or experience
[03:45:45] Beirdo: ohh, we've seen crap
[03:46:02] wagnerrp: my 'intro to c++' was little more than some hello world and basic terminal IO
[03:46:05] Beirdo: I get to see a bunch of it at work...
[03:46:29] Beirdo: and ou shoulda seen the crap at my former employer... and the one before that
[03:46:46] momelod: is all this crap keeping myth from releasing 1.0? i've been using it for like 3 years..
[03:46:49] Beirdo: and people got PAID to write that crap
[03:46:54] momelod: maybe u guys have way too high standards
[03:47:04] wagnerrp: no, mythtv is keeping mythtv from releasing to 1.0
[03:47:19] Beirdo: hehe
[03:47:27] momelod: perfectionists :)
[03:47:28] [R]: whats this obsession with version numbers
[03:47:33] wagnerrp: its still in active flux after 9yrs
[03:47:34] [R]: just drop the 0.
[03:47:37] [R]: and call it version 24
[03:47:40] wagnerrp: if you want, do what [R] just said
[03:48:13] [R]: thats what i do IRL
[03:48:25] momelod: i was only trying to point out the very high standards of the development team.. sorry if it didnt come across that way
[03:48:42] wagnerrp: no, its nothing to do with high standards
[03:48:47] Beirdo: we should jump from 0.xx to 3.0 just to mess up the packagers
[03:48:48] Beirdo: especially the ones that presume to know our next version number
[03:48:48] high-rez: Hmmf, is there a reasonable opensource replacement for adobe's flash ?
[03:48:54] wagnerrp: just lack of motivation to release it as such
[03:49:05] [R]: high-rez: define "reasonable"
[03:49:15] high-rez: 'works a little bit'
[03:49:25] [R]: does a little bit include youtube?
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[03:49:31] high-rez: (which is more than flash is really working for me right now)
[03:49:34] high-rez: yeah
[03:49:36] [R]: then no
[03:49:41] high-rez: oh and works with mythbrowser
[03:49:43] momelod: i thought utube wasnt flash anymore? h232
[03:49:50] high-rez: god i can't wait for html5 to kill flash
[03:50:01] [R]: momelod: you mean h264? thats a codec... not a method for displaying video
[03:50:02] wagnerrp: it will never kill flash
[03:50:05] momelod: u and steve jobs :)
[03:50:14] Beirdo: kill steve jobs?
[03:50:20] momelod: [R], i stand corrected
[03:50:29] Beirdo: that would solve some marketing issues
[03:50:33] high-rez: wagnerrp: Hey man, i can believe there is a god all I want even if the evidence says otherwise!
[03:50:39] momelod: no, steve jobs is also waiting for flash to die
[03:50:53] wagnerrp: high-rez: the html spec group would never support any form of DRM on content
[03:51:05] Beirdo: yeah, so my iPhone won't suck so bad as a web browser
[03:51:16] wagnerrp: which means there will always be a nitch for flash, or some other form of plugin that does support DRM
[03:51:31] wagnerrp: at least until DRM dies a slow, horrifyingly painful death
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[03:51:57] [R]: people will always need control
[03:52:14] wagnerrp: no, people will always want control
[03:52:20] wagnerrp: theres no reason they should have that control
[03:53:26] ** momelod tried to control his bladder **
[03:54:11] wagnerrp: of course i could be considered prejudice
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[03:54:38] wagnerrp: i do see a need for license control (DRM) on high end software
[03:54:54] wagnerrp: well great, now my whole world outlook is shot....
[03:55:10] [R]: omg i hate license control
[03:55:14] [R]: flexlm is the bane of my existance
[03:55:19] wagnerrp: hehe
[03:55:27] wagnerrp: luckily all you have to do is change the MAC address
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[03:55:42] [R]: floating license!
[03:55:51] [R]: i got a floating license for Codewarrior
[03:55:57] [R]: and i ran the license server on my desktop
[03:56:08] wagnerrp: the program not releasing the licenses after you close it or something?
[03:56:12] [R]: yeah
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[03:56:18] [R]: i would have to keep restarting the server
[03:56:25] wagnerrp: heh
[03:56:40] ** momelod spoofs **
[03:56:50] [R]: i would run it on my desktop to do main development... and then on a computer in the lab when i was debugging
[03:57:05] wagnerrp: we were trying to run a license manager on our master server, which was using quad bonded gige
[03:57:20] wagnerrp: well whenever we restarted the machine, the ordering of the NICs would get shuffled around
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[03:57:27] wagnerrp: so the MAC of eth0 would change
[03:57:33] wagnerrp: and the license server would refuse to run
[03:57:48] [R]: thats what udev is for
[03:58:41] wagnerrp: we just moved it over to another box and had the license reissued
[03:58:48] [R]: lol
[03:59:55] wagnerrp: you want to know what continues to drive processor development? software licenses
[04:00:04] [R]: haha
[04:00:13] wagnerrp: im serious
[04:00:36] wagnerrp: if you werent limited in licenses, you would just gang thousands of machines in a cluster to get the performance you need
[04:00:43] wagnerrp: low end hardware is cheap, power is cheap
[04:01:13] wagnerrp: but when youre paying several grand per instance, its cost effective to buy that ridiculously expensive high clock rate chip
[04:08:46] oobe: not for office's and end users though
[04:09:11] oobe: i mean home users
[04:09:43] wagnerrp: im referring to high end, high performance, professional software
[04:09:52] wagnerrp: mainly parallel computational solvers
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[04:28:30] wagnerrp: batteries not included.... http://gizmodo.com/5580968
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[04:42:27] tank-man: what does it mean when the light bulb burns out?
[04:42:40] wagnerrp: youre going to hell?
[04:42:40] XChatMav: you go to hell
[04:42:48] oobe: http://lolmedia.org/2010/04/28/most-fool-proof-prank-ever/
[04:42:48] XChatMav: :p
[04:42:57] wagnerrp: woo! beirdo says i win
[04:44:47] Beirdo: huh? :)
[04:44:58] wagnerrp: your logs say i said it first
[04:45:05] Beirdo: oh
[04:45:06] ** wagnerrp wins **
[04:45:07] Beirdo: hhe
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[05:23:07] Beirdo: If I'm not mistaken, I've found a show with Surround...
[05:23:12] Beirdo: NCIS :)
[05:23:31] wagnerrp: its 2.0 around here
[05:23:57] Beirdo: well, 2.0 with surround sound encoded
[05:24:18] Beirdo: definite use of the rear speakers
[05:24:40] ** Beirdo grumbles again about myth not using the sub **
[05:24:56] Beirdo: well, not much
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[05:25:00] Hilikus: hey guys
[05:25:04] Beirdo: it IS vibrating thouhg
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[05:37:34] ** Beirdo wishes he had more bandwidth **
[05:37:53] Beirdo: 7M/800k just ain't enough
[05:38:08] wagnerrp: you should siphon it from kormoc, hes got plenty for half the people in here... :)
[05:38:17] Beirdo: heh
[05:38:30] Beirdo: I think he has the same home connection as I do
[05:38:34] Beirdo: heh
[05:38:59] Beirdo: I want an OC3 all for me
[05:39:01] wagnerrp: nah, he said he has some condo-internet
[05:39:05] Beirdo: who wants to pay for it?
[05:39:06] wagnerrp: 100Mb synchronous
[05:39:33] Beirdo: heh
[05:43:46] Beirdo: NCIS FTW
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[06:47:07] Beirdo: yay
[06:47:18] Beirdo: Johan Santana finally produced
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[06:48:19] wagnerrp: Johan? i thought it was Carlos
[06:50:24] Beirdo: WHAP
[06:50:30] Beirdo: the Mets pitcher, silly
[06:50:36] Beirdo: complete game shutout
[06:50:49] Beirdo: against.... the Reds
[06:50:50] Beirdo: heh
[06:51:20] Beirdo: and Sabathia did OK too...
[06:51:48] Beirdo: both NYC teams won, both pitchers on my fantasy staff :)
[06:51:51] Beirdo: muhaha
[06:51:59] wagnerrp: he must have used black magic...
[06:52:03] wagnerrp: ... woman
[06:52:03] Beirdo: hehe
[06:52:05] wagnerrp: ....
[06:52:11] Beirdo: wrong Santana :)
[06:52:16] Beirdo: Carlos is Mexican
[06:52:28] Beirdo: Johan is Venezuelan (IIRC)
[06:52:29] Beirdo: heh
[06:52:53] Beirdo: probably have to back to the conquistadors to find a common ancestor
[06:53:18] Beirdo: or to Noah
[06:53:19] Beirdo: heh
[06:54:35] Beirdo: I think I might drop Cordero at the end of the season
[06:54:57] Beirdo: not getting me any saves cuz the Reds can't win, it seems.
[06:55:14] Beirdo: Although Soria gets lots with KC... and they suck worse
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[07:12:37] justinh: would love to know what this bpywea.exe is which 'has generated errors & will be closed'
[07:12:50] justinh: google returns nada. I suspect something viral
[07:13:17] wagnerrp: sounds likely, some randomly generated name
[07:13:31] justinh: always the same. been bugging me a couple of days
[07:13:41] Beirdo: time for some anti-viral meds
[07:14:03] justinh: we've got some mcafee thing here
[07:14:05] Beirdo: hmm.
[07:16:14] ** Beirdo considers the idea of making mythgallery use storage groups **
[07:16:24] Beirdo: joinin the party, as it were
[07:16:41] wagnerrp: may want to wait until MFSW goes in
[07:16:49] Beirdo: NSFW?
[07:16:50] Beirdo: hehe
[07:16:55] justinh: mfsw?
[07:17:03] wagnerrp: myth file system watcher
[07:17:06] justinh: ah
[07:17:12] Beirdo: hmph
[07:17:16] Beirdo: when is that going in?
[07:17:17] wagnerrp: supposed to replace the current storage group scan with a caching one
[07:17:37] Beirdo: approximation of ETA of course...
[07:17:55] Beirdo: we talking days, weeks, months?
[07:18:19] justinh: I think the time has definitely come to turn off forwarding info@domain emails to my own account
[07:18:49] justinh: stupid impatient emailers. they send an enquiry out one day, and re-send it the next day
[07:19:01] Beirdo: put in a vacation notice
[07:19:04] wagnerrp: days to weeks
[07:19:07] Beirdo: and leave it there
[07:19:10] wagnerrp: pretty sure its going to be before 0.24
[07:19:23] Beirdo: wagnerrp: K. I was hoping to change that part before 0.24
[07:19:33] justinh: Beirdo: maybe wouldn't be a bad idea to add an autoresponder
[07:19:39] Beirdo: dunno if I can get flickr/picasa in before then
[07:19:58] justinh: whoah flickr in mythgallery? cool plan!
[07:20:07] wagnerrp: well you should at least confer with that mysterious unknown member of the a-team first
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[07:20:16] Beirdo: that's my plan on that front
[07:20:17] justinh: though everybody with flickr should dump their accounts on principle
[07:20:21] wagnerrp: might change how you implement it, depending on what capabilities it will give you
[07:20:31] Beirdo: yeah, for local files
[07:20:47] Beirdo: the flickr part is an API + the new network caching
[07:21:20] Beirdo: likewise for picasa
[07:21:28] Beirdo: and hopefully later... gallery3
[07:21:41] Beirdo: :)
[07:21:41] justinh: never heard of that one
[07:21:48] Beirdo: you heard of gallery2
[07:21:50] Beirdo: ?
[07:21:55] wagnerrp: you mean for the mythweb portion?
[07:22:02] Beirdo: ummm, no
[07:22:06] Beirdo: for mythgallery
[07:22:10] justinh: I have two flickr accounts & it's a pig trying to remember login details
[07:22:20] Beirdo: on the frontend
[07:22:29] justinh: I hate them for forcing people to hold a yahoo account
[07:22:36] Beirdo: there's no point to doing much for mythweb for anything but local files
[07:22:42] wagnerrp: you mean support accessing it?
[07:22:45] Beirdo: justinh: whine whine whine
[07:22:47] Beirdo: :)
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[07:23:20] Beirdo: I mean on the frontend, slideshows from your flickr/picasa/gallery3 photo gallery
[07:23:29] justinh: come to think, I'll just delete the bugger & go with picasa. if I only have one account I'd rather it be googley
[07:23:32] Beirdo: and I'm hoping to do flickr searches too
[07:23:44] wagnerrp: Beirdo: ok, i was thinking of the opposite
[07:23:56] Beirdo: not sure if picasa API includes the searcing
[07:23:57] wagnerrp: serve your mythgallery content from mythweb, using gallery3
[07:24:05] Beirdo: eek
[07:24:14] wagnerrp: its been suggested multiple times
[07:24:21] Beirdo: be easier to do it the other way
[07:24:21] justinh: oh gallery gallery. as in Gallery :)
[07:24:23] wagnerrp: and i think theres one or two tickets on trac about it
[07:24:27] Beirdo: run gallery3...
[07:24:34] Beirdo: and then access the photos from it
[07:24:47] Beirdo: yeah, I'll be looking at those...
[07:25:02] justinh: I've been thinking about using that for my doggy training club website, cos the wordpress plugin for galleries is gnarly
[07:25:04] Beirdo: I have no desire to rewrite gallery :)
[07:25:24] Beirdo: gallery3 isn't quite out yet, but it has a real API
[07:27:57] Beirdo: I use gallery2 myself
[07:28:13] Beirdo: so I have a significant reason to install gallery3 once it comes out
[07:30:15] Beirdo: wagnerrp: who knows, giving access to gallery may not be too hard either, dunno
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[07:39:49] justinh: lol. the pst I exported from outlook the other day is riddled. apparently
[07:39:54] Virindi: question...I have about 2000 recording entries on my backend for which the file no longer exists because the HD died (but I have a bunch of recordings for which there are files), what is the best way to delete all the nonexistent ones without manually going through each one?
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[07:40:25] justinh: Virindi: not generally something we encourage here, but there's a script for that job (use at your own risk)
[07:40:37] justinh: mythdb_find_orphans.pl or something like that
[07:40:50] justinh: definitely has the words 'find' 'orphans' in it
[07:41:00] Virindi: I saw someone mention that when I was searching around, they also said it might not work with current versions
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[07:41:07] Virindi: so I figured I should ask here first
[07:41:18] Virindi: thanks
[07:41:20] justinh: well, back up your db & try it once you find it
[07:41:23] Virindi: I'll backup my DB first :)
[07:41:23] Virindi: yeah
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[07:42:54] ** Beirdo yawns **
[07:43:02] justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl
[07:43:25] Virindi: thanks :)
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[08:01:27] Beirdo: sleep time
[08:06:01] wagnerrp: ditto
[08:06:08] wagnerrp: see... it does happen
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[08:08:02] Beirdo: hehe. night
[08:09:31] oobe: Beirdo, i watched the newest trailer park boys movie it was awesome
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[08:49:21] benoit35: hi all
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[08:50:43] benoit35: iamlindoro : i have update to qt-4.6.3 and recompile mythtv, it's work better than qt-4.5.3. All video work fine
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[08:58:44] justinh: I doubt it was qt which made any difference
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[09:21:55] simonckenyon: any idea when storage group support for .iso files will make it into the codebase?
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[09:30:40] el_duerino: Hey guys, kinda dump question, but how do i get queued user jobs to start of no other job is running?
[09:31:22] el_duerino: dump =~ s/p/d/;
[09:32:20] el_duerino: dumd =~ s/d/b/; :P
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[09:59:57] justinh: simonckenyon: probably just after whoever codes it submits the patch
[10:00:04] k-man: i just heard that there will be CRID included in the transmisions in Australia
[10:00:10] k-man: i had never heard of CRID before
[10:00:55] simonckenyon: justinh: thanks
[10:01:11] justinh: simonckenyon: AFAIK nobody is working on it at the mo
[10:01:54] justinh: the only times I've seen it discussed folks were saying how it's possible, but the easiest way to do it is a bit of a kludge
[10:02:12] justinh: hence it not being done yet :)
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[10:06:49] justinh: it's not *that* much of a PITA to set up a network share for yer ISOs
[10:07:35] justinh: not that it's generally even worth keeping stuff as ISO. Those so-called 'extras' are usually crap – and I definitely don't mind doing away with DVD menus!
[10:08:33] simonckenyon: justinh: oh. i realise that – have done it before and can do it again. it is just that SG seems to be the way myth is going for all file access
[10:09:01] justinh: yeah that's the ultimate goal of course. makes most sense
[10:09:46] justinh: but there's no easy way around putting a structure like ISO over SGs AFAIK
[10:10:20] benoit35: justinh: it was the only difference and compile option are same.
[10:10:39] justinh: benoit35: apart from recompiling, etc. of course
[10:10:49] justinh: benoit35: anyway who's arguing. it works now
[10:11:00] simonckenyon: justinh: i think it is more to do with the fact that myth uses libdvdread – and that hasn't been modifed for SG
[10:11:12] justinh: you likely had old libs messing things up, as at least one very knowledgable person here said
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[10:22:22] Virindi: btw, the orphan script seems to have worked fine
[10:22:43] hot_wheelz: how do u make a ps3 a frontend....I tried clicking on search for media servers and came back with nothing?
[10:24:05] justinh: didn't think the ps3 was useful as any kind of frontend for mythtv stuff
[10:24:43] Virindi: does it support upnp?
[10:25:00] hot_wheelz: thought so
[10:25:37] justinh: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP_Client_Info
[10:26:14] justinh: and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/SonyPlaystation3GameOS-UPnP
[10:27:11] Virindi: upnp seems to be pretty limited in terms of UI though, definitely suboptimal
[10:27:53] Virindi: not the fault of mythtv of course
[10:27:56] justinh: it's going too far to say you'd be using a PS3 as a frontend
[10:27:59] justinh: certainly :D
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[10:29:18] Virindi: I had a win7 machine on my network and tried browsing through my backend with it, it was a pretty useless experience
[10:29:33] Virindi: unless you enjoy just having a huge list of every single available recording
[10:29:44] justinh: heh just like xbmc
[10:30:14] justinh: though some upnp clients let you list stuff by categories
[10:31:39] justinh: lol. problems with Blue theme in 0.23-fixes. I'll say.
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[10:55:18] robert__: what problems in blue-theme?
[11:01:04] justinh: like uhhh – it's completely deprecated & unsupported now :)
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[11:32:43] robert__: how is it deprecated?
[11:33:22] robert__: the osd theme needs to be ported, mythweather also (copyright)
[11:33:32] robert__: but the rest is pretty much ok here
[11:42:24] justinh: well, it's no longer provided with mythtv for one thing
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[11:42:56] robert__: this theme was unfortunately never part of the official themes
[11:43:13] robert__: it didn't get into the theme competition
[11:43:34] justinh: we're apparently not talking about the same theme here
[11:43:46] wagnerrp: no, 'blue' is a very old official theme
[11:43:58] wagnerrp: are you thinking of 'blue-abstract'?
[11:44:12] robert__: oh ok, I thought you meant the blue-abstract theme, sorry
[11:44:40] wagnerrp: so whats wrong with blue-abstract?
[11:44:48] justinh: I'd have said that if I meant it :)
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[11:46:20] robert__: ok, in case of blue-abstract I could have helped (i'm the creator)
[11:47:11] justinh: it's good that older themes are dying the death they deserve IMHO. make way for the new
[11:48:41] justinh: wish mythtvtalk.com would remove that hideous old one of mine
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[11:51:39] robert__: yes, they could just switch the theme picture and update the descriptions
[11:52:39] justinh: they could just remove it. it's no longer maintained & hasn't been for a very long time
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[14:29:52] G`Kar: Hello, has anyone had experience using the Hauppage HVR-1950 with Fedora?
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[14:39:46] J-e-f-f-A: Ugh... trying to sream one of my HD-PVR HD recordings with VLC, and it's not working... (audio works, video doesn't...) But it plays locally – anyone done that before?
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[15:07:19] elkin: hello everyone
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[15:28:15] TUplink: hi room
[15:28:51] TUplink: is there anyway to change volumes other than alsamixer i have everything at 100% and can bairly hear it
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[16:05:05] justinh: TUplink: depends how you get your video & audio
[16:05:27] justinh: TUplink: if you use an analogue tuner you can adjust the capture volume. if digital, you're screwed
[16:05:34] TUplink: yea.... i know BUT i got it lol
[16:05:49] TUplink: no i was talking about the frontend
[16:06:05] TUplink: i had the FRONT chanel turned all the way down
[16:06:11] TUplink: prob fixed
[16:06:16] justinh: heh
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[18:20:51] ** Beirdo yawns **
[18:25:38] Beirdo: Whaaaa?
[18:25:51] Beirdo: The Reds are at the top of the NL Central?!
[18:26:07] Beirdo: wagnerrp: how is this possible?!
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[18:27:09] Beirdo: Now. The Orioles... they truly suck
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[18:31:29] keith4: is it normal that I get about a dozen 401 failures, before the successful attempts, when running mythfilldatabase?
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[18:32:04] iamlindoro: yes
[18:34:07] keith4: okay. recently, the daily running of mythfilldatabase is driving the load on my box up, and making other things unresponsive. is there some sort of database cleansing that I should be doing periodically?
[18:34:49] wagnerrp: mfd making your system unresponsive sounds like disk issues from database load
[18:35:00] iamlindoro: nope, mythfilldatabase is just a very DB intensive process-- you can limit it to run only during certain hours if your system is that troubled by it
[18:35:28] wagnerrp: mfd takes a lot of power to run, but its not time sensitive, so its run at a low priority
[18:35:36] wagnerrp: it shouldnt be interfering with anything else running at that time
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[18:39:06] wagnerrp: anyone ever play littlebigplanet?
[18:39:25] iamlindoro: bought it, played it, never got into it
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[18:39:51] wagnerrp: sounds like you needed others in the room to play with (and mock)
[18:40:07] wagnerrp: anyway... http://gizmodo.com/5581508
[18:40:21] Beirdo: iamlindoro: hmmm, can we renice the filldb?
[18:40:35] Beirdo: or better yet, do we? :)
[18:41:04] wagnerrp: Beirdo: CPU load shouldnt make things on a linux box unresponsive
[18:41:08] iamlindoro: Beirdo: Most people have adequate hardware not to have to worry about it
[18:41:15] wagnerrp: unless you have really cranked up the priority for something
[18:41:16] iamlindoro: reduce the priority and running it could take hours
[18:41:27] wagnerrp: i still say its IO load issues
[18:42:07] Beirdo: well, if the issue to the user is perceived slowness of the interface, renicing the hog to run more in the background, giving priority to the UI would make sense
[18:42:39] keith4: in my case, it's a dedicated backend
[18:42:45] iamlindoro: Except the backend and frontend aren't in ommunication at all about that kind of thing
[18:42:46] Beirdo: and unless you are pounding on the UI, you likely wouldn't even notice a difference in runtime in the fill
[18:42:47] keith4: and it does, indeed, look like i/o load
[18:42:53] Beirdo: ahh
[18:42:56] Beirdo: fair enough
[18:43:04] keith4: the CPU usage during mythfilldatabase is nice'd
[18:43:08] Beirdo: yeah, I need more coffee... what was I thinking
[18:43:13] Beirdo: OK, good.
[18:43:29] Beirdo: it should be a slightly lower priority than say... recording :)
[18:43:32] keith4: so... wagnerrp's assessment is quite reasonable
[18:44:09] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: yeah, he's pretty smart...  ;-)
[18:44:17] wagnerrp: the only thing ive ever experienced which can really take down a linux box is IO load
[18:44:34] Beirdo: hehe
[18:44:41] wagnerrp: linux/bsd/any-other-posix-systems-ive-used
[18:44:47] Beirdo: especially swap related IO load
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[18:44:54] Beirdo: thrashing to death is always fun
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[18:45:20] ** Beirdo fondly remembers running linux on a 16MB 386 **
[18:45:21] keith4: normal for MFD to take more than 10 minutes to run?
[18:45:45] Beirdo: keith4: the first time, especially, yes
[18:45:52] keith4: ... every day
[18:46:00] Beirdo: at least as I've experienced it
[18:46:07] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: also depends on how many channels you have...
[18:46:15] iamlindoro: 10 minutes is not unreasonable
[18:46:20] Beirdo: I dunno, I don't bother checking, but it wouldn't surprise me
[18:46:31] keith4: uh... "real 10m14.759s", "user "0m18.069s", "sys 0m11.645s"
[18:46:46] Beirdo: just more of the drive going gurk gurk gurk...
[18:47:57] wagnerrp: sounds like its waiting on the database most of the time
[18:48:00] wagnerrp: entirely reasonable
[18:48:12] J-e-f-f-A: mysql cache settings?
[18:49:14] keith4: perhaps
[18:49:55] Beirdo: or waiting on the web API
[18:50:03] Beirdo: it does take a while to pull data
[18:50:15] J-e-f-f-A: ^ that too.
[18:50:43] Beirdo: assuming you are using Schedules Direct... Dunno about other sources
[18:50:45] wagnerrp: yeah, mfd pulls one file per day per channel off TMD
[18:50:47] wagnerrp: TMS
[18:50:55] keith4: ugh. top reports > 80% i/o wait while running MFD
[18:51:00] Beirdo: off TMI? :)
[18:51:11] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: I'm running a test of mfd now – I have 552 channels, I'll let you know how long it takes. (Note that I have two mythcommflag processes running now taking most of the cpus... Athlon 64 x2 6000+)
[18:51:14] wagnerrp: too much data?
[18:53:38] keith4: shitty disks
[18:53:48] keith4: maybe time to move my database
[18:54:02] wagnerrp: please watch the language in this channel
[18:54:33] keith4: sorry
[18:54:41] keith4: crummy disks!
[18:54:49] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: Here's the results for my system: (552 channels) real 6m9.536s user 0m35.675s sys 0m18.343s
[18:55:32] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: Is your DB on the same drive as your recordings?
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[18:59:18] keith4: J-e-f-f-A: nope
[18:59:28] keith4: it's on the (boot) software raid 1
[19:00:15] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: Ok... Mine's on the OS disk too, currently just a single SATA II 3Gbps drive, soon to be a Raid1 again...
[19:00:19] skd5aner: 10 minutes seems reasonable to me, takes MFD a while to run for me
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[19:01:51] J-e-f-f-A: Your internet link speed is perhaps a factor too... Mine is lightning fast now – I think it used to average > 10 mins with my older link.
[19:06:11] J-e-f-f-A: Humm... seems my Athlon 64 X2 6000+ isn't able to transcode my HD-PVR 1080i recordings on-the-fly... :-( I want a faster cpu anyways... commflagging is killing me with h.264! Any recommendations (preferably AMD...)
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[19:15:39] wagnerrp: transcode on the fly? to what?
[19:17:02] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: To use the streaming in mythweb, or in this attempt, vlc to stream a 1080i recording to something 'managable' for playback over the web...
[19:17:32] skimj1: I've started getting duplicate recordings using recording rules; this just started happening in the last month or so. For example, I have a rule to record "The Soup" which used to record the new episode on Friday and no others but now it's recording every showing (up to 3 per day). (I haven't changed the rule in a very long time) Is anyone aware of something that may have happened? How do I debug this?
[19:17:58] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: (Was trying to give one of my managers the opportunity to watch the game from his office... That would have worked with an MPEG2, but a high-bitrate h.264 is way too much...)
[19:21:39] skimj1: FWIW, I've also been having intermittent trouble with the mythfilldatabase process not closing which then prevents the next run from starting. This hasn't happened for several days, maybe a week but the duplicates continue...
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[19:23:47] keith4: J-e-f-f-A: good point, about the channels. i'll spend some time this weekend and pare down my schedulesdirect output to just the channels that i actually get
[19:27:07] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: Yeah, I don't know what your source is, but when i had Dish, I deleted all the audio channels off of my SD lineup, and now that I'm on FiOS, I did the same...  ;-)
[19:27:47] keith4: problem is... the cable company sometimes gives out HBO and such as a promotion, and I'd hate to miss it ;-)
[19:28:09] keith4: also, their list of what I *should* get, on the website, never matches what I *actually* get
[19:29:24] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: Yeah, I hear ya about HBO and such... Dish used to do that, but not on the 'real' HBO channel, but on a set of 'special' channels for previews, etc. I just never followed it much...
[19:29:30] johnnyj: is this message titled "HD-PVR: Live TV fine but not recordings" on the list due to storage groups misconfigured?
[19:30:02] J-e-f-f-A: keith4: re: listings – right. I find I have to connect a tv to the STB and compare the STB guide to the SD listings...
[19:31:06] keith4: yep. i haven't done that in a while, and in a fit of "why don't I get comedy central HD?!", i did "enable all" in SD a few weeks ago
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[19:38:11] J-e-f-f-A: johnnyj: I was going to agree, but this line makes me think otherwise: 2010-07–07 14:07:01.595 Channel(/dev/video1): SetInputAndFormat() failed
[19:38:19] J-e-f-f-A: johnnyj: maybe a borked recording profile?
[19:41:08] J-e-f-f-A: wow, Robert on the -users list sure has a big tv — 40' ?!? (why do so many people make that mistake???  ;-) )
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[19:43:08] wagnerrp: ?
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[19:43:42] iamlindoro: ' != "
[19:44:09] J-e-f-f-A: ;-) 40 Foot vs 40 Inch
[19:44:18] wagnerrp: oh, right
[19:44:26] wagnerrp: wasnt paying close enough attention
[19:44:51] wagnerrp: had a bit of a discussion about that a couple days ago
[19:45:32] wagnerrp: how at that sort of size, it becomes economical to make an LED tv
[19:45:48] J-e-f-f-A: ^^ ooh, I like that idea... ;-)
[19:46:05] wagnerrp: of course then there was the problem of it being large than your house
[19:46:10] J-e-f-f-A: A "REAL" LED tv, not an LED Backlit tv... ;-)
[19:46:18] wagnerrp: but with enough interior space you could build your house inside it
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[19:48:23] J-e-f-f-A: I think I would cream myself if I walked into a movie theater with a high-res LED display instead of a projection screen...
[19:48:44] wagnerrp: nah, it would look like crap
[19:48:58] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: not if the pixels were small enough. ;-)
[19:48:59] wagnerrp: pixels would be too big
[19:49:14] wagnerrp: theres a reason you sit on the opposite side of the stadium from the jumbotron
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[19:50:12] J-e-f-f-A: Well, yeah, the pixels on those are huge – like 1" or 2" square – but they're designed for a viewing distance of a few hundred feet...
[19:51:47] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: I'm talking about 3mm or even 5mm pixels... That would look incredible from 15–20' away... ;-)
[19:52:01] wagnerrp: those are HUGE pixels
[19:52:14] wagnerrp: the average tv is like 0.5mm
[19:53:33] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Right, but what's the pixel size on a 40' movie theater screen? Even at the high resolutions they're running (twice TV HD?) – it's gotta be at least 3MM per pixel...
[19:53:56] wagnerrp: but its blended, youre not seeing individual pixels
[19:56:53] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Right, but with RGB LEDs, it would be blended at the pixel level too, not seperate red/green/blue leds like the jumbotrons use.
[19:57:12] J-e-f-f-A: (They would not have to be anywhere near as bright)
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[20:03:30] simcop2387-lap: ok, so lets say i've got a bunch of channels on an hd homerun, but they don't corrospond to any guide data but i know what they are and i already have guide data for them from another source, is it possible to tell mythtv that they are the same channels to be used for recording as if they were exactly the same as another existing channel
[20:04:25] wagnerrp: what is the other source?
[20:05:38] simcop2387-lap: wagnerrp: comcast's qam stuff
[20:05:52] simcop2387-lap: i should probably check if schedules direct has it shouldn't i
[20:06:02] simcop2387-lap: i'm rather tired right now
[20:06:07] wagnerrp: you can create four separate lineups on a single SD account
[20:06:38] wagnerrp: no reason why you should have to duplicate data across channels that dont actually match
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[20:07:30] simcop2387-lap: i've always wondered, why 4 lineups anyway
[20:09:24] J-e-f-f-A: simcop2387: because you could have multiple sources – I have Cable (FiOS), OTA, and an IPTV box now... I guess they figure 4 is enough for 99% of the folks out there, if not 100%... ;-)
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[20:10:14] skd5aner: I use 3/4 lineups
[20:10:19] simcop2387-lap: wagnerrp: hrm i can't find one that has the channels corrospond correctly, guess i'll do more digging
[20:10:24] skd5aner: I could get away with probably 2/4 though
[20:14:14] J-e-f-f-A: simcop2387: and regarding your QAM channels – I think you can just set the XMLIDs of the 'overlapping' channels to match the 'regular' channel.
[20:15:00] J-e-f-f-A: simcop2387: The only thing I get via clear QAM is about 40 local community cable channels (for my whole state it seems), and half of the locals I can get OTA. So I don't bother with them...
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[21:19:58] adac: Is there a way to control mythv (switching channels and stuff) over webinterface?
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[21:26:47] johnnyj: adac: the basics are available here – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Remote_Control_Scripts
[21:28:00] adac: johnnyj, I see, thx!
[21:28:44] johnnyj: adac: if you expand upon that feel free to contribute it back through the wiki
[21:29:14] adac: johnnyj, sure!
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[21:48:01] Beirdo: hmmm
[21:48:17] Beirdo: seems that the weather part of mythweb is hopelessly borked too
[21:48:21] Beirdo: heh
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[21:49:45] Beirdo: wonder what it's damage is
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[22:05:40] psm321: hi
[22:06:46] psm321: i'm not sure if this question is more appropriate for here or an ivtv channel... but one of the tuners on one of my pvr-500's seems to have stopped grabbing captions. rebooting doesn't fix it like it often does for random problems like this... any ideas?
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[22:14:44] skd5aner: does it work outside of myth or are captions only broken in myth?
[22:15:00] J-e-f-f-A: psm321: I've never used captions on my ivtv tuners, so I couldn't begin to help... but their mailing list would probably be the best bet – their channel wasn't very active when I was last in there... (but it was a long while ago)
[22:15:02] skd5aner: If it doesn't work in myth, then ivtv is probably a better place to get it solved
[22:16:30] psm321: skd5aner: i think its broken everywhere (cat /dev/vbi2 gives me just repeating fjffj whereas catting for a working tuner gives other stuff)
[22:17:04] psm321: i seem to recall this happening once before but i cant remember how i fixed it :(
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[22:20:03] psm321: aha!
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[22:20:38] psm321: power-cycle cable box :) i think i remember now that that's what it was last time too (i'd already tried the power button but apparently it needed to be unplugged)
[22:20:53] psm321: stupid comcast
[22:21:21] psm321: which reminds me, since people are around now (i asked once before but it was at a quiet time so i dont think anybody saw it)
[22:21:40] psm321: anyone have u-verse? or know much about it (and using it with mythtv)?
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[22:28:03] adac: getting this error: http://pastie.org/1035122 any ideas?
[22:36:13] wagnerrp: psm321: youre stuck with the same limitations as any other digital cable or satellite provider
[22:36:28] wagnerrp: namely, you have to run through their box
[22:37:07] wagnerrp: adac: i would suggest upgrading
[22:43:50] adac: wagnerrp, So this is a bug then?
[22:45:00] simcop2387-lap: J-e-f-f-A: yea i'll give that a shot
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[23:08:11] J-e-f-f-A: heh... wiki page for vdpau says the vdpaubuffersize range is "The valid range is X to Y"  — Ok, so what do X and Y equal?  ;-)
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[23:11:08] J-e-f-f-A: ... just set it to 64 on a system I have with an 8200 IGP, and it's no longer skipping/stuttering, so I guess 64 is within that range!!! (Had it at 48, but that didn't work...)
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[23:17:45] adac: If I only have mythfrontend installed on a machine, where do I set the master ip adress to connect to?
[23:21:03] iamlindoro: whichever machine you are running the backend on-- running the backend *somewhere* is non-optional
[23:21:17] iamlindoro: mythfrontend will start, but will relentlessly pop up errors until you bring up a backend and connect to it
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[23:21:35] high-rez: jeff: set what
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[23:22:35] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: eh?
[23:23:01] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: Oh...
[23:23:06] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: vdpaubuffersize
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[23:28:28] PennStateJoe74: can someone help me figure out how to control mythtv audio. i have nvidia gt220 video card connected via hdmi to my tv. audio is coming through great via hdmi. the only problem is that in order to control the volume i need to use the tv remote. i'd like to be able to control it using my DiNovo mini keyboard which i have properly controlling the master volume and just about everything else. i'm running ubuntu 10.04
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[23:34:55] J-e-f-f-A: PennStateJoe74: It's a digital signal – changing the volume on it requires decoding, then re-encoding it with a lower level. There is work on a 'software' volume control – here's a link found with google that provides lots of background, and perhaps some workarounds: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1053751
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[23:41:06] J-e-f-f-A: !url lmgtfy mythtv hdmi volume
[23:41:07] MythLogBot: lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=mythtv%20hdmi%20volume
[23:41:13] J-e-f-f-A: ;-)
[23:41:42] ** J-e-f-f-A <3's MythLogBot **
[23:41:54] Beirdo: heh :)
[23:42:49] J-e-f-f-A: You must have a highlght set on mr bot... ;-)
[23:42:52] high-rez: jeffa: I should try mesing with that sometime. What card are you using?
[23:43:02] Beirdo: nah, just happened to be looking
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[23:43:51] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: This is an onboard 8200 IGP on an Asus Motherboard... M2N8-E if memory serves me correctly...
[23:46:09] high-rez: Ahh. I'd like to try to squeeze more performance out of my 210 :)
[23:46:49] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: if it works on this measly 8200, I'll bet it'll work even better on a 210!
[23:48:21] high-rez: What deinterlacing method are you using?
[23:48:27] high-rez: I'm using temporal 1x at the moment.
[23:49:21] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: Let me check... this is a test box with a puny 15" 1200x720 display on it – ...
[23:49:36] high-rez: Ahh
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[23:49:55] high-rez: The wiki says my 210 should be able to do advanced but its a bit jumpy
[23:50:18] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: Primary: Temporal (1x, Hw) Fallback: Advanced (1x, Hw) Custom Filters: vdpaubuffersize=64,vdpauskipchroma
[23:51:12] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: The source is the World Cup game at 1080i h.264 via HD-PVR at the highest bitrate...
[23:51:18] high-rez: I'm gonna muck with the buffer size tonight.
[23:51:28] high-rez: poor germany ;)
[23:52:18] J-e-f-f-A: high-rez: I think vdpau is working... mythfrontend is using 7% of the cpu. ;-)
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