Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 5th, 2010, 00:14 UTC

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Beirdo:

niice

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Beirdo:

using the mceusb remote now

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Beirdo:

OK, how does one set "new episodes only" from the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

its one of the filter options when you edit a rule

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Beirdo:

I don't see how to get to it

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

found it

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Beirdo:

now it's showing as a "power search"?

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Beirdo:

ook

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wagnerrp:

no, its in the 'duplicate scope' options

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Beirdo:

]where?

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Beirdo:

I don't see it

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wagnerrp:

in the recording options

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

I'm using Arclight.

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Beirdo:

go to Manage Recordings

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wagnerrp:

i just checked it with arclight

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Beirdo:

Recording Rules

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wagnerrp:

recording rules

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wagnerrp:

pick one

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wagnerrp:

schedule options

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Beirdo:

hit enter?

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wagnerrp:

'dup scope' on the right side

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Beirdo:

thank you :)

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Beirdo:

OK, I see it now

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Beirdo:

heh, looked right past it

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Beirdo:

was missing it over and over :)

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Beirdo:

I usually schedule a lot from mythweb :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, Scheduled 485 items.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Boston Legal.. that's what I was adding ;)

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Beirdo:

have two tuners ready to go

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Beirdo:

the third needs another IR Emitter (should ship tomorrow) and for the wires to be hooked to the PVR-250

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Beirdo:

kaBOOOM

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Beirdo:

it's still daylight out, people... wait for dark :)

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Beirdo:

snagged a 7port USB hub too... ungodly lit though

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Beirdo:

but it will be inside the cabinet. like I care

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Beirdo:

my intention... everything but the TV and the mceusb receiver go in the cabinet

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mtrelins:

in 0.23 how do i do a mass video meta import?

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mtrelins:

and is it possible to do a banner art or something for that?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

so apparently Law & Order Criminal Intent will be recorded at an earlier time instead...

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Beirdo:

earlier than 5min from now?!

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Beirdo:

and first showing is in 2 days

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

tis screwball

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Beirdo:

and it recorded it anyways

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Yay, Cliff Lee

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Beirdo:

they pulled him before he could do a 4th consecutive complete game though

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Beirdo:

down with the Tiggers

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Beirdo:

I suck

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Beirdo:

I see

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Beirdo:

it's the order I originally installed them

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Beirdo:

cardInput 3 -> card 3

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Beirdo:

cardInput 4 -> card 2

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if that matters

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Beirdo:

it seems to

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Beirdo:

I think it may order it by cardInput

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

that's what it seems to have done anyways

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Beirdo:

fun times

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Beirdo:

I'll figure it out... of course, if it was hooked up, it wouldn't matter much

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo topic

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a topic trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

the HD icons in mythweb (and in the frontend)...

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wagnerrp:

we dont take too kindly to folk who dont read the topic

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

are those determined by what's captured itself, or from the guide info

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Beirdo:

!salmon

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** MythLogBot throws several salmon at Beirdo. SPLAT! **

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Beirdo:

2010-07–04 20:32:39.187 Error deleting 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv/1248_20100703180446.mpg': No such file or directory

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Beirdo:

ooook

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Beirdo:

and the info for this show is wrong

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Beirdo:

wrong episode

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mildew:

what can cause "video frame buffer failed to many times"

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rjune:

what application?

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rjune:

mplayer? myth?

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rjune:

X?

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mildew:

myth

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rjune:

have you googled it yet?

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rjune:

google turns up a lot of stuff that looks related

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mildew:

yeah i have seen any good explanation

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rjune:

gotcha

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rjune:

sorry

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rjune:

I'm trying to track down a strange font problem

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rjune:

on it's face, looks like a DPI issue

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mildew:

i dont have much of my mythbox info but i just wanted to get ideas on were the problem could be

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rjune:

I got nothing.

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wagnerrp:

the 'frame buffer failed too many times' is a far too generic mythtv error for any real diagnosis

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wagnerrp:

are you actually having playback problems?

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mildew:

some channles are ok and some return the problem

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to watch?

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wagnerrp:

analog cable? digital cable? digital broadcast? HD analog capture from an HDPVR?

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mildew:

digital

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mildew:

digital broadcast

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wagnerrp:

is it possible you are trying to tune a channel that is only active at certain times of the day?

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wagnerrp:

what processor and video card do you have?

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mildew:

intell core 2 duo and just on board graphics

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wagnerrp:

what speed?

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rjune:

wagnerrp, after him, spend some time with me.

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rjune:

?

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wagnerrp:

rjune: you having the problem where everything shows up as 1 pixel?

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rjune:

yea

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rjune:

I tried the DPI fixes

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rjune:

didn't help.

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rjune:

at least I think I did.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, configuration issue, or maybe distro issue

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wagnerrp:

but i dont remember what the cause/solution is off hand

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rjune:

I don't know where to look.

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rjune:

doh!

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mildew:

well the speed ill have to check on

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wagnerrp:

mildew: is it a desktop or a laptop?

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mildew:

desktop

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wagnerrp:

any desktop core2 will be plenty fast to decode any ATSC mpeg2 content

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wagnerrp:

do you only suffer this problem with livetv? or have you had issues with playback of recordings too?

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mildew:

livetv

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wagnerrp:

chances are the problems are on the backend

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mildew:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and you are just seeing some fairly unrelated side effect in the frontend logs

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wagnerrp:

check the backend logs to determine why you failed to tune the channel

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mildew:

yeah

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rjune:

wagnerrp, what would myth do if it couldn't find any themes?

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wagnerrp:

be confused as to why you have a partial install of mythtv

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mildew:

im realy new to myth

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wagnerrp:

mythtv comes with three stock themes

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wagnerrp:

terra (16:9) and mythcenter (4:3 and 16:9)

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wagnerrp:

you will have all three of those on any proper installation

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rjune:

I have them all.

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rjune:

I'm wondering if somebody botched the build and it's pointing to the wrong theme dir.

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wagnerrp:

/usr/[local/]share/mythtv/themes

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rjune:

"2010-07–04 18:18:07.231 Could not find theme: – Switching to Terra"

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wagnerrp:

somehow, you have set mythtv to use an undefined theme

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wagnerrp:

so it is reverting to its default

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rjune:

that was running mythtvsetup -0 Theme=Terra

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wagnerrp:

'mythtv-setup'?

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rjune:

sorry, O not 0

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rjune:

yea

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rjune:

I'm going to try to strace it to see if I can see where it's failling to find the theme

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rjune:

unless you have another idea

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rjune:

wagnerrp, Hrm, looks like it might be a db issue, how can I pass it db info on the command line?

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wagnerrp:

-O

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rjune:

is there a list of all the -O options someplace?

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wagnerrp:

'select distinct value from settings;'

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rjune:

k

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sphery:

rjune: upgrade to current 0.23-fixes, as the issue you're seeing with small fonts should be fixed (and it will tell you that your DB info is broken).

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sphery:

rjune: and you'll likely need to fix all of your config.xml and mysql.txt files (every single one on the entire file system)

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rjune:

I'm using the rpms for centos at the moment.

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sphery:

also, you will need to have at least one valid theme--Terra, MythCenter, or the one the DB says to use

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sphery:

don't they have current builds?

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rjune:

If what I read is correct. setting up the database should resolve it

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rjune:

apparently not as I'm having the problem.

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sphery:

yeah, DB info is in config.xml and/or mysql.txt files--check /all/ of them (use find or locate)

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sphery:

usually, you get the release version initially, then you have to enable the repo or whatever to get the current 0.23-fixes one...

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sphery:

I don't know anything about CentOS, though

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rjune:

I'll track them down.

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rjune:

To make things even more fun, I'm setting up a seperate backend and frontend.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt really make anything any more difficult

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wagnerrp:

unless youve got external, or personal issues

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wagnerrp:

external, like running firewalls

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wagnerrp:

or personal, like feeling some strange need to run mysql and mythbackend on localhost

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Beirdo:

personal, like ... can't read instructions :)

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rjune:

wagnerrp, none of those options seem to be useful to set mythfrontend to a backend sql server.

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wagnerrp:

no, as mythtv cannot use the database to find the database

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wagnerrp:

it uses a local config file in ~/.mythtv/config.xml to do that

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wagnerrp:

and lacking that, it will open up a GUI to ask for it

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Beirdo:

gooey

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wagnerrp:

or a TUI? in the case of `mythbackend`

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Beirdo:

pooey?

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wagnerrp:

terminal user interface?

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ghoti:

Are HDMI/DVI-D cables bidirectional? That is, if I have a cable that was used to take DVI output from a computer to send to an HDMI-capable monitor, can I use the same cable to connect the an HDMI output to the DVI input on a monitor?

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rjune:

wagnerrp, i needed ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt, but it's all good now.

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wagnerrp:

HDMI/DVI cables are not differentially ended

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ghoti:

I'm not sure what "differentially ended" means, but I'm hoping the "not" means that I can reverse the cable the way I described... ;)

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wagnerrp:

it means they do not have different plugs

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wagnerrp:

the ends are identical

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ghoti:

and are there underlying pinout or electronic differences?

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wagnerrp:

there is a single pinout

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ghoti:

that is the same for carrying data in either direction?

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wagnerrp:

you can plug it in any which direction you wish

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ghoti:

fab, thanks.

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rjune:

wagnerrp, I'm seeing a noticable delay between a keypress and the event on screen, any suggestions

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rjune:

?

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eruditehermit:

justinh, hey, remember we had the discussion about digitizing PAL video?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I (naughtily) manually changed the order of my cardinputids... it now wants to use #2 rather than #3

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wagnerrp:

bah, do it properly

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Beirdo:

so, empirically, that's how it's sorted

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wagnerrp:

delete and re-add

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Beirdo:

why?

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

takes all of a couple minutes

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Beirdo:

yeah, and does exactly what I did

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wagnerrp:

rather than the apparent hours it spent tinkering around in the database to figure out what you had to do

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Beirdo:

nah, it took me seconds... I just forgot about it

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Beirdo:

Oooh, another show to record

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Beirdo:

it's Canadian too...

[06:32:25]

Beirdo:

Rookie Blue. It's set in Toronto

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: of course, I'm not gonna suggest that others mess with their database :)

[06:33:37]

Beirdo:

that's for those who know what they are doing, and know why they really shouldn't be doing it.

[06:34:23]

wagnerrp:

whats with this guy wanting to move from mysql to lucene

[06:34:48]

wagnerrp:

from what im reading, they are completely different types of software

[06:34:57]

Beirdo:

whaaa?

[06:35:06]

Beirdo:

lucene is for one thing and one thing only.

[06:35:12]

Beirdo:

full text searching

[06:35:15]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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Beirdo:

we don't do that

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Beirdo:

and if we did, it would be clucene

[06:35:50]

Beirdo:

no way we are using lucene... java piece of crap

[06:35:52]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

ah crap.

[06:37:23]

Beirdo:

cayenne pepper... eye

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Beirdo:

when will I friggin learn?!

[06:37:56]

Beirdo:

you can wash your hands like 3 times, it will still burn your eyes

[06:37:57]

wagnerrp:

maybe you can clean that up with a bit of lucene

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

full text search for "OOOOOWWWWW!"

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Beirdo:

ok, this show is screwy

[06:39:47]

Beirdo:

The Gates

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Beirdo:

why am I watching commercials?!

[06:42:43]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: have you considered integrating clamav in mythtv?

[06:43:05]

Beirdo:

hehe, why?

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

to guard against broadcast viruses, of course

[06:43:27]

Beirdo:

right after we make mythmail

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wagnerrp:

clearly were on an arbitrary library binge

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wagnerrp:

clamav AND lucene, imagine the possibilities

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you are almost as nuts as me :)]

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wagnerrp:

nits like a chinchilla

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wagnerrp:

nuts

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

gotta remember to tweak the lucene in the bot (clucene rather) to do better indexing

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Beirdo:

I picked the wrong tokenizer

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el_duerino:

hey folks, anyone using vdpau?

[07:07:35]

el_duerino:

i installed a new nvidia 9300GS and i'm currently trying to figure out the correct settings in mythfrontend; vdpau seems not to be used, because HD content stutters and CPU is above 80% usage

[07:07:56]

wagnerrp:

you should set mythtv to use one of the vdpau playback profiles

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el_duerino:

wagnerrp: i tried that; curiously i can only select one og "vdpau normal, vdpau high or vdpau lite', but i can't specifiy the profile settings itself

[07:09:33]

wagnerrp:

you will want normal or lite with that card

[07:09:45]

el_duerino:

wagnerrp: i tried both

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Beirdo:

there is an edit button (at least on my setup)

[07:10:05]

wagnerrp:

you selected that profile, and then you hit 'next' all the way through?

[07:10:11]

el_duerino:

yes

[07:10:39]

wagnerrp:

do you have the nvidia drivers installed

[07:10:48]

el_duerino:

yes

[07:10:52]

wagnerrp:

does your user have permissions to access the video card

[07:11:05]

wagnerrp:

(usually you have to put the user in the 'video' group)

[07:11:24]

wagnerrp:

was mythtv compiled with vdpau support in?

[07:11:51]

el_duerino:

i used it from the mythbuntu repository; i guess it is enabled in this version

[07:12:06]

el_duerino:

but i will have a look at the user groups

[07:13:45]

el_duerino:

is it usual that i don't see any profile settings like "with > 0, height > 0" bla in the vdpau profiles? Using non-vdpau profiles, i always hat two of them, were i can specify the deintelacer

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt worry yourself about the deinterlacer

[07:15:16]

wagnerrp:

the lite, normal, and high profiles are based around the horsepower of the card, and what deinterlacers they are capable of running

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el_duerino:

ok

[07:16:44]

el_duerino:

any possibility to have a look at what profile is used/were problems exist?

[07:16:57]

el_duerino:

can i find sth in the frontend log?

[07:17:35]

wagnerrp:

if you want to see what the profile is doing, you can always click the 'edit' button beirdo mentioned

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el_duerino:

ok

[07:18:27]

el_duerino:

i believe that CPU usage should be around 10–20%, then, is this currect?

[07:18:45]

el_duerino:

(Core2Duo Processor)

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wagnerrp:

what are you trying to decode?

[07:19:29]

el_duerino:

HD material from german channels

[07:19:45]

el_duerino:

currenty it seems to be 720p encoded

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wagnerrp:

anything mpeg2, you shouldnt even worry about

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wagnerrp:

what clockrate?

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el_duerino:

huh, no idea

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el_duerino:

just a moment

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el_duerino:

720p50 is the only thing i canfind about the channel

[07:22:08]

wagnerrp:

clockrate, your processor, how fast is it?

[07:24:07]

justinh:

in europe any HD is more than likely h.264

[07:24:23]

el_duerino:

i currently have no access to the machine, bu I guess around 1.6 – 1.8 Ghz Core2Duo

[07:24:41]

wagnerrp:

one that slow might struggle a bit with software decoding of h264

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justinh:

no way that's gonna play h.264 at 720P at broadcast bitrates

[07:24:56]

wagnerrp:

definitely if its single sliced

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justinh:

BBCHD won't play smoothly on my 1.6Ghz C2D

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el_duerino:

even with vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

laptop or low power chip?

[07:25:37]

wagnerrp:

VDPAU != software decidubg'

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wagnerrp:

decoding

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justinh:

el_duerino: with VDPAU the cpu has nothing to do with it

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el_duerino:

i bloody hop so ;-)

[07:26:18]

wagnerrp:

with VDPAU, your processor should be doing next to nothing

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justinh:

wagnerrp: mobile c2d, but even so...

[07:26:32]

wagnerrp:

audio decoding, and any other background tasks

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wagnerrp:

justinh: just wondering, the slowest 'normal' C2D was 1.86

[07:26:46]

justinh:

not even a desktop 1.6Ghz C2D would play BBC HD

[07:27:05]

justinh:

word is you need > 2Ghz C2D for software decoding of that stuff

[07:28:12]

justinh:

my E1500 in the backend can't do BBCHD either, that's 2.2GHz apparently

[07:28:39]

wagnerrp:

a C2 will manage 5–6mbps per Ghz per slice/core

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el_duerino:

i'm getting really unsure about the clockrate; is a two year old CPU which was pretty fast as i bought it, but if vdpau does all the work, this should be not the issue (with 1.6 or 2.x either)

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wagnerrp:

so figure that machine will top out somewhere around 7–10mbps for single sliced, or double that for multisliced

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah – not enough for the BBCHD samples I've got.. which are upwards of 16Mb/sec

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el_duerino:

i was just seeking for a rule of thumb when exactly vdpau starts working – 80% cpu usage may signalize a big "NO" then...

[07:30:01]

justinh:

though I think BBCHD is sliced

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justinh:

el_duerino: no 'may' about it

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el_duerino:

undestand

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wagnerrp:

check your frontend logs, it will explain why vdpau failed and it fell back to Xv

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justinh:

80% CPU usage means VDPAU ain't working

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el_duerino:

i will check the group settings this evening

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dougt:

has anyone seen a problem where no upcoming recordings are listed in mythweb, but there are recordings in the schedules section?

[07:41:01]

wagnerrp:

in trunk?

[07:41:50]

dougt:

yeah

[07:42:16]

dougt:

when I see this happen, i have rolled back my db to an earlier version and the problem (of course!) goes away

[07:42:21]

wagnerrp:

there are some problems with mythweb in trunk, following the various patches for data caching

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dougt:

do you think it is a mythweb problem, or core problem?

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wagnerrp:

if rolling back the database fixed it, it sounds like its user error

[07:43:23]

wagnerrp:

have you been messing with the controls at the top of that page?

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** Beirdo adds the MLB AllStar game to his myth schedule **

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mtrelins:

ok newb question alert: i didn't like storage groups for my "videos" so i removed it

[07:48:34]

mtrelins:

now one of my frontends wont' refresh

[07:48:43]

mtrelins:

how do i force it to refresh?

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[R]:

you mean hit scan in menu?

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[R]:

whats not to "like"?

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Beirdo:

heheh

[07:49:03]

mtrelins:

well

[07:49:19]

mtrelins:

i'm testing a theory about storage groups and movies stopping before they are supposed to

[07:49:21]

justinh:

muh muh muh iso

[07:49:29]

mtrelins:

rather have it read from samba share

[07:49:39]

justinh:

doubt SGs have anything to do with it

[07:49:51]

justinh:

and FWIW, samba sucks compared to NFS

[07:49:52]

wagnerrp:

not sure why you would do samba over nfs

[07:49:58]

mtrelins:

well yes, but i'd like to rule it out, but i ahve another problem now...

[07:50:07]

mtrelins:

it shows me having 1 movie in my videos list

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mtrelins:

on one of my frontends

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Beirdo:

samba?

[07:50:16]

mtrelins:

the other frontend is fine

[07:50:19]

Beirdo:

OMG

[07:50:37]

mtrelins:

2 frontends, 1 backend

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wagnerrp:

mtrelins: did you exit mythvideo on that frontend, and go back in to let the list refresh?

[07:50:50]

mtrelins:

yes

[07:50:51]

wagnerrp:

there is no broadcast sent out to all frontends on a scan

[07:50:56]

mtrelins:

i completely restarted mythtv

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mtrelins:

as a matter of fact

[07:51:01]

wagnerrp:

although that wouldnt be a bad idea...

[07:51:02]

mtrelins:

backend and frontend

[07:51:13]

wagnerrp:

all content in mythvideo is global

[07:51:18]

mtrelins:

uhh

[07:51:20]

wagnerrp:

if its in the database, its seen on the frontend

[07:51:20]

mtrelins:

weird

[07:51:38]

mtrelins:

bizzare.

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Beirdo:

that's it

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Beirdo:

I'm going to bed

[07:52:01]

wagnerrp:

which means you either need to be using storage groups, or you need to have the content stored in the same location on all machines

[07:52:03]

mtrelins:

usually i'd just do "Scan for new movies" or somethin gin 0.21

[07:52:16]

mtrelins:

wagnerp: it is

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wagnerrp:

mtrelins: that didnt exist until 0.22

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mtrelins:

mounted to /storage on all my machines

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wagnerrp:

prior to 0.22, you would go into the video manager to rescan

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mtrelins:

right, so how can i force it to rescan what's on the samba share /storage

[07:53:25]

justinh:

so on each frontend where you've mounted the share, go into mythvideo settings & set the path to the videos

[07:53:31]

mtrelins:

all my machines, even the backend point to /storage/movies

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wagnerrp:

is it possible youre using 'browse mode'?

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justinh:

THEN go into mythvideo & scan

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wagnerrp:

videos are global, local storage directories are local

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Beirdo:

and samba sucks

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Beirdo:

:)

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justinh:

mtrelins: but without mythvideo being pointed at /storage/movies ...

[07:55:00]

mtrelins:

mike@mastermyth:/$ ls -l | grep storage

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mtrelins:

drwxrwxrwx 14 root root 4096 2010-07–04 20:16 storage

[07:55:01]

mtrelins:

mike@mythtv:/$ ls -l | grep storage

[07:55:01]

mtrelins:

drwxrwxrwx 14 root root 0 2010-07–04 20:16 storage

[07:55:09]

mtrelins:

frontend and backend

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Beirdo:

!trout mtrelins pasting

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** MythLogBot slaps mtrelins with a pasting trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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mtrelins:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

he only pasted two lines... twice

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Beirdo:

heh

[07:55:38]

wagnerrp:

not sure what the purpose of it was though

[07:55:42]

justinh:

it's not enough to mount the dir, you ahve to point mythvideo at it

[07:55:46]

justinh:

*have to

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wagnerrp:

it gave meaningless information

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justinh:

unless you use storage groups

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mtrelins:

so on the backend, i have my movies in a raid mirror mounted to /storage, on the frontend, i've mounted /storage to the same /storage

[07:56:06]

justinh:

right

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mtrelins:

justinh: i did

[07:56:12]

justinh:

so where is mythvideo looking?

[07:56:25]

mtrelins:

on the frontend i have the first option in mythvideo for all the directories

[07:56:26]

justinh:

my guess is you've got the backend set to 'browse mode enabled'

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justinh:

which is why you see 'everything' on there

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mtrelins:

actually, i only see 1 video file

[07:56:55]

mtrelins:

there should be hundreds

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justinh:

sigh

[07:57:05]

justinh:

this stuff isn't rocket science

[07:57:13]

mtrelins:

ls in /storage/movies on master and frontend both show the same list

[07:57:48]

justinh:

your movies are in /storage/movies, so point mythvideo at that dir – doesn't matter on which frontend you do it – it's global

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mtrelins:

err...

[07:58:06]

mtrelins:

oops

[07:58:18]

mtrelins:

so if one frontend... i haven't updated that

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justinh:

oh, you forgot to mount it?

[07:58:23]

mtrelins:

could it be screwing up the other one?

[07:58:43]

justinh:

it's global

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mtrelins:

ah

[07:58:50]

mtrelins:

ok, oops

[07:58:51]

mtrelins:

thanks

[07:59:09]

** justinh wonders how many people have to state facts before they become obvious **

[07:59:38]

mtrelins:

sorry man, the "custom identifier" for a frontend kinda throws me off

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** Beirdo hands justinh a trout **

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mtrelins:

if i undid storage directories, when i fix this, will i have to redownload the meta?

[08:00:49]

mtrelins:

er "storage groups"

[08:00:50]

mtrelins:

sorry

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justinh:

no you won't

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mtrelins:

rad, thanks

[08:01:16]

** justinh wonders what decade this is.. really **

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** mtrelins wonders why a global setting is allowed to be changed on more than one frontend to 2 different values... **

[08:02:55]

justinh:

no, the path setting isn't global

[08:03:03]

justinh:

the *video* *files* are

[08:03:43]

justinh:

I hope somebody makes SGs work with ISOs soon so we can rid ourselves of this nonsense

[08:04:22]

mtrelins:

yeah...

[08:04:30]

mtrelins:

lots of isos

[08:04:42]

mtrelins:

but back to what the initial problem is before this mucking about

[08:04:48]

mtrelins:

if i can watch TV fine for hours

[08:04:53]

mtrelins:

but videos won't complete

[08:04:58]

mtrelins:

what could be some problems?

[08:05:06]

mtrelins:

was using storage groups

[08:05:21]

mtrelins:

divx, xvid, mp4, and mkv all crapped out at some point

[08:05:24]

justinh:

this samba over wireless by any chance?

[08:05:32]

mtrelins:

no i don't use wireless

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dougt:

wagnerrp: what fills the upcoming recordings?

[08:05:42]

mtrelins:

it's all switched

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wagnerrp:

dougt: a query from the backend

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mtrelins:

i'm using the Internal Player

[08:06:38]

dougt:

wagnerrp: so... if mythweb doesn't see the upcoming recordings, doesn't means that the upcoming recordings are not actually going to happle?

[08:06:42]

dougt:

happen ^

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mtrelins:

mainly because i'm trying to take advantage of VDPAU

[08:07:17]

justinh:

I wish VDPAU would die in a fire

[08:07:23]

mtrelins:

why?

[08:07:39]

mtrelins:

it's allowing one of my severely underpowered machines to do 1080p

[08:07:47]

justinh:

because it's the single biggest thing users who come here fail to 'get'

[08:07:55]

wagnerrp:

hes been burned by XvMC and VIA machines in the past

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justinh:

VDPAU is just more of the same. nothing will ever replace CPU horseypower IMHO

[08:08:51]

justinh:

there'll always be stuff VDPAU pukes on, and for those times you need MOARCPU

[08:08:56]

mtrelins:

i dunno, i'm diggin the 0.23 with vdpau

[08:09:22]

mtrelins:

i skipped 0.22 and went from 0.21 to 0.23, and so far i'm like a kid in a candy store

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mtrelins:

digging the vdpau!

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** justinh sets fire to VDPAU **

[08:10:11]

mtrelins:

basic question: does mythtv "watch tv" use the same player as mythvideo?

[08:10:16]

mtrelins:

if using Internal?

[08:10:18]

justinh:

yes

[08:10:20]

mtrelins:

ok

[08:10:25]

mtrelins:

so if i can watch tv all day long

[08:10:28]

mtrelins:

and no cutouts

[08:10:33]

mtrelins:

why would mythvideo cut out?

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justinh:

if you need clues as to why playback is crapping out, look in your logs

[08:10:49]

justinh:

nobody can answer that without seeing log output

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mtrelins:

ok

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justinh:

not even a hope

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justinh:

first off I'd suspect samba

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justinh:

see if any other player lets you get all the way to the end of the files

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justinh:

anyway.. why samba & not NFS?

[08:21:07]

justinh:

meh. another mythtvtalk.com user who is incapable of reading plan English error messages in his own log output

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wagnerrp:

justinh: hes wonderingwhy you cant read the logs aloud for him

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wagnerrp:

please attach the audio as an mp3 or wav to the thread

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wagnerrp:

:)

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mtrelins:

ok how's this for boneheaded

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mtrelins:

mythtv is distributed, right?

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mtrelins:

what about having HDFS house the Videos only part of it

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mtrelins:

:-D

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mtrelins:

hdfs + fuse or something

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justinh:

wtf is 'HDFS' ?

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mtrelins:

hadoop distributed file system

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mtrelins:

hadoop.apache.org

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mtrelins:

it's free

[08:33:41]

mtrelins:

and pretty durable

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mtrelins:

hdfs is like computer-based raid :-P

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justinh:

oh, sillyuseridea #253673215678

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mtrelins:

well, then you can put a 500 gigger in each computer

[08:34:19]

mtrelins:

and set the replication level to 2

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mtrelins:

and have a distributed filesystem among them

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justinh:

this is all utterly moot

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mtrelins:

well, i think the problem might be my raid

[08:34:58]

mtrelins:

it's not faulty

[08:35:03]

mtrelins:

i think it's just slower than usual

[08:35:12]

mtrelins:

i can't find anything in the logs

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justinh:

eew. what a cutesy logo. think I've found one I hate more than Tux

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mtrelins:

oh blah

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mtrelins:

read abou tit

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mtrelins:

take off the hater hat for 5 minutes

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mtrelins:

i figure mythtv is distributed

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justinh:

nope

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mtrelins:

but the filesystem isn't

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justinh:

you figure people listen to random ideas

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mtrelins:

i'm not talking about for TV

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justinh:

mtrelins: we've got SGs already

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wagnerrp:

'computer-based raid'... cant say ive heard of that one before

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mtrelins:

SG distributes?

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mtrelins:

i thought it was just for backend computers?

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justinh:

yeah. so?

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mtrelins:

well

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mtrelins:

if i had 3 backends

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mtrelins:

could one completely die

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mtrelins:

and i keep all my storage group?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

the other two would keep on running with whatever content and storage they housed

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mtrelins:

when a request to house something is made, what happens?

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mtrelins:

each server gets a copy?

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mtrelins:

2/3 get a copy?

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justinh:

no

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mtrelins:

1/3 get a copy?

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AndyCap:

mtrelins: no redundancy

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wagnerrp:

the backend that records it has a copy

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mtrelins:

yeah

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justinh:

if you want redundancy, get it yourself

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mtrelins:

well what i'm talking about adds redundancy

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mtrelins:

if it works, i'll post teh blog

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justinh:

ok. we're already waiting for those patches. we really wanna see those patches!

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mtrelins:

to storage groups?

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justinh:

to add hoopypoopfs or whatever

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mtrelins:

hdfs

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AndyCap:

how can you not store hdtv on hdfs. :P

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mtrelins:

it's legit

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justinh:

if I had $1 for every 'useful' suggestion made by a user I'd be able to afford a propriatary distributed AV system, installed by professionals

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mtrelins:

lol

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AndyCap:

justinh: somehow I doubt that.

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: what do you expect one of those systems costs?

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AndyCap:

I'd think 50k+ user suggestions. :P

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i could see that

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justinh:

nobody actually does the sums before saying stuff like that.. you realise

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wagnerrp:

dont forget, theres probably a handful of suggestions that thousands of users have all come in here asking for

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mtrelins:

i would think mythtv would accelerate faster if it didn't try to roll everything itself...

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justinh:

it's just a way of saying "arghhh ffs no more"

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caelor:

sphery: just checking back in again on my mysql issue – system has been running without issue for a few days now. Only thing I changed was switching from a 2.6.32-generic ubuntu kernel, to a 2.6.28-server kernel (latest i386 lucid server kernel available). I'm guessing the generic kernel had some pre-emption options that were upsetting mysql.

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wagnerrp:

mtrelins: to be fair, all of this stuff is half a decade old or older

[08:42:51]

mtrelins:

what is?

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mtrelins:

mythtv?

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justinh:

I think mythtv would develop faster if more people who 'contributed' actually made stuff

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wagnerrp:

file transfers from the backend, storage groups, ....

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mtrelins:

like i said, i'll do an experiment and write teh blog

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justinh:

for every hour somebody spends editing their user page on the wiki...

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wagnerrp:

SGs went into the backend in late '05 or early '06

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mtrelins:

but an sg isn't like a real "distributed" file system

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justinh:

it's not meant to be, or it would be

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wagnerrp:

its not anything like a file system

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__benny__:

Hello everyone, is it possible to stream LiveTV over SSH from a MythBackend ? – I'm at work and i would to watch some from TV from home ...

[08:44:48]

wagnerrp:

__benny__: how much bandwidth do you have at home?

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justinh:

__benny__: it's possible, but I doubt you have enough upstream bandwidth to allow it

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AndyCap:

doesn't the protocol carry ip's in it?

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justinh:

yeah

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mtrelins:

i saw a guy at work do transcoded from his hdhomerun over 1mbit up

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mtrelins:

looked good

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justinh:

see mythstreamtv, long defunct 3rd party hack

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mtrelins:

livetv, watched the world cup at work

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justinh:

anyway – you're at WORK. Shouldn't you be like er... WORKING or something?

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mtrelins:

it's possible, i've seen it, but i can't help ya there

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** justinh whistles **

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AndyCap:

maybe you can stream one of those cheap quarter-frame channels. :P

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mtrelins:

justinh, you're cranky today

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mtrelins:

:(

[08:47:06]

justinh:

same as any other day

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mtrelins:

out of curiosity, what region are you in?

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justinh:

thanks for the unsolicited MSG __benny__ – kindly ask before you do that

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justinh:

OI

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justinh:

thought I had all MSGs on /ignore. hmmm

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justinh:

__benny__: STOP IT

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__benny__:

justinh: sorry, did I something wrong ?

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caelor:

I'm seeing some mysql query errors about missing columns from archiveitems when going through the myth archive screens... could somebody point me towards the source file that I can figure the schema out from to look into it more?

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justinh:

MSGing people without asking first is often seen as bad IRC behaviour

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justinh:

it's good manners to ask first. lots of people apparently know that

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mtrelins:

i thought it was considered bad behavior to just say "can someone help me with a problem?"

[08:49:20]

mtrelins:

some channels say just to ask first?

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mtrelins:

like "just ask your question"

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__benny__:

justinh: sorry again, I'll will not again, I'm not an experienced IRC user

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mtrelins:

benny, i've seen it done

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mtrelins:

did it at work the other day

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mtrelins:

it needs to be transcoded

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mtrelins:

the guy used vlc at home and vlc at work to do it

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mtrelins:

but it came from livetv

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mtrelins:

no clue how he did it down to the microdetail, but that's how

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caelor:

mtrelins: as I understand it, it came from a HDHR, which I'm guessing vlc connected to directly

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mtrelins:

./shrugs

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caelor:

vlc is capable of transcoding in that way, but it wouldn't have any part of mythtv in the processing chain

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mtrelins:

alrighty then

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caelor:

i'm not aware of vlc being able to connect to myth as a "frontend"

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mtrelins:

isn't there a hack to do it from mythweb?

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caelor:

although it would seem to be a powerful thing to be able to do

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wagnerrp:

im not aware of VLC being able to connect to a HDHR as a 'frontend' either

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__benny__:

sounds interesting to do it with VLC

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caelor:

wagnerrp: fair enough, I've never played with a hdhr.

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mtrelins:

i've seen it done, needless to say the guy is way smarter than me

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mtrelins:

he got his degree from MIT, school i went to is ranked like #60

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wagnerrp:

silicondust used to use VLC as their player, but they would proxy the connection through their own application

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mtrelins:

it was rad, he was able to change channels

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mtrelins:

do hd

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mtrelins:

over a 1mbit upstream

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mtrelins:

looked good in the conference room

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wagnerrp:

you are not doing HD over a 1mbps connection

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wagnerrp:

it would look like garbage

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mtrelins:

it was transcoded

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wagnerrp:

transcoded to garbage

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mtrelins:

and sized down appropriately

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mtrelins:

no it still looked good on a projector

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wagnerrp:

if its downscaled, its no longer HD

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mtrelins:

it wasn't HD by the time we got it

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mtrelins:

but it looked good

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wagnerrp:

streaming through VLC is basically point and click

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wagnerrp:

there is (or was) some documentation on the wiki about how to set up VLC to offer multiple channels on-demand off a single tuner

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wagnerrp:

it used to be the way to implement multi-rec before mythtv supported it natively

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mtrelins:

couldn't you also do some ssh port forwarding

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mtrelins:

and setup a mythfrontend at work?

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wagnerrp:

you have to forward the backend and mysql servers

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mtrelins:

you would just need to forward mysql, too

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mtrelins:

it's encrypted and will be slow as balls so you'll probably want some really low bandwidth playback group

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__benny__:

mythfrontend, use several connections, MySQL, and some other to the backend

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mtrelins:

i thought it was basically 2 ports?

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mtrelins:

mysql and backend port

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wagnerrp:

the backend and mysql

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wagnerrp:

6543 and 3306

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__benny__:

the network address to the backend is retrieved via some SQL query, i think (??)

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mtrelins:

edit the hosts file and have that ip point to 127.0.0.1

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mtrelins:

and have 127.0.0.1 3306 forward to your home ip's backend db

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wagnerrp:

wait... what?

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mtrelins:

oops

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mtrelins:

i meant the ip of his backend @ work

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mtrelins:

in his hosts file

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mtrelins:

resolves to 127.0.0.1

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caelor:

interesting. My archiveitems table looks to be schema 1000 but the settings table reports schema 1005. If I update the settings table to report empty schema version, it should recreate the archiveitems table, if I read the code correctly, right?

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wagnerrp:

you cant map one IP to another with the hosts file can you?

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mtrelins:

and then portforward ssh local @ work 3306 to backend internet ip 3306

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mtrelins:

and portforward ssh local @ work 6543 to backend internet ip 6543

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wagnerrp:

that will only work if you have a single combo frontend/backend

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wagnerrp:

if you have multiple machines connected to mythtv, it will not work

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wagnerrp:

in that case, you need a full VPN

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mtrelins:

yeah i was just trying to figure out a way around that

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mtrelins:

i guess it would only be feasible w/ myth if he was running linux at his desk, then you could change the routing more

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mtrelins:

hosts file won't allow ip to ip you're right

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mtrelins:

it's probably easier w/ vlc

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mtrelins:

:)

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__benny__:

actually forwarding port 6543 and 3306 almost works, at least the frontend starts

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mtrelins:

i think you'd need to change all references made to your work machine

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mtrelins:

that are internal to your network

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mtrelins:

to route back out through your internet ip

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mtrelins:

which i'm not even sure how to do

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__benny__:

well,. but not so good, the frontend is hanging ...

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mtrelins:

mythtv probably passes the packets around with ip

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mtrelins:

or tells the frontend to reference some ip

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mtrelins:

that's lan only

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mtrelins:

like a reverse nat or something

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__benny__:

I did a trick with ifconfig I created a virtual eth0:1 with the backend IP address

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__benny__:

and then forward with ssh -L 192.168.0.31:6543:localhost:6543 -L 192.168.0.31:3306:localhost:3306

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mtrelins:

ok this makes me ill, but then i think you'd have to do some fancy nat on the myth backend, too

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mtrelins:

what machine are you executing those commands on?

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mtrelins:

work machine?

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mtrelins:

home machine?

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justinh:

it's much easier to a) just sue something else – or b) forget about it & just do some work :)

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__benny__:

my computer at work

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mtrelins:

hmm

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mtrelins:

what do the frontend logs say?

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mtrelins:

is it having problems connecting?

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__benny__:

is it ok do dump some lines from mythfront log here in the IRC ?

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mtrelins:

justinh: he's probably american and overworked, let him watch tv while he still has a job

[09:10:26]

justinh:

no

[09:10:35]

justinh:

use a pastebin

[09:10:41]

justinh:

merkins. meh

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mtrelins:

i miss billy clinton

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justinh:

you mean underworked in a fat capitalist economy :)

[09:11:17]

mtrelins:

how many times have you heard that in here?

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justinh:

once too many

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mtrelins:

i'm pretty sure americans work quite a bit compared to other countries

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__benny__:

thank you justinh: http://pastebin.com/Sa2H0xDu

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mtrelins:

esp. european

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justinh:

mtrelins: yeah, suckers :)

[09:12:28]

mtrelins:

720x576?

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mtrelins:

i would try half that

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justinh:

except in some jobs I've had, I've had to stick around til stupid o' clock to be in a conf call cos the yanks didn't want to get up early

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mtrelins:

i'm not seeing anything relevant to network errors

[09:12:59]

mtrelins:

psh

[09:13:04]

mtrelins:

i like my 11–8s

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mtrelins:

and on call

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justinh:

I like my 7am-3.30pm jaunts

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mtrelins:

7am?

[09:13:43]

mtrelins:

i'm liek a reverse vampire

[09:13:58]

mtrelins:

i don't get up until the sun is totally shining

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justinh:

I often wake before 6 so it makes sense

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justinh:

<3 flexitime

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mtrelins:

i'd kill myself if i had to wake up at 6am every day

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justinh:

7am – 12pm – then 12.30 – 3.30pm I still make half an hour

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justinh:

I don't have to. I could start at 10am

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mtrelins:

explains why you're cranky

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mtrelins:

imo

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justinh:

nah

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justinh:

I always am

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mtrelins:

you're too young for the early bird special crew

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justinh:

I'm one of those kind of people who IRC is really bad for

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justinh:

but I just can't stay away

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mtrelins:

benny, seriously, start smaller try 320x240 or something

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justinh:

it's like a car crash

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mtrelins:

remember, this is over ssh so it's going to be slower

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justinh:

mtrelins: maybe he can't choose

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justinh:

maybe it's digital TV

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mtrelins:

i thought you ccould assign a playback size on the frontend

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__benny__:

how do I change the resolution ?

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justinh:

you don't get to choose the resolution if it's digital TV

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justinh:

you get what is broadcast

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justinh:

& mythtv can't change it by itself

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mtrelins:

but if it's going through the backend, and he's got a remote frontend, won't the backend send the right size?

[09:17:37]

justinh:

you can certainly change the size of the mythfrontend window but that's not gonna affect the video resolution one iota

[09:17:40]

justinh:

nope

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mtrelins:

what if he creates a different watch group

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justinh:

nope

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mtrelins:

Default, Live TV, Low Quality, etc?

[09:18:01]

justinh:

mythtv doesn't transcode on the fly

[09:18:13]

mtrelins:

or lowered the bitrate?

[09:18:28]

mtrelins:

so that all happens on the frontend?

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justinh:

you could set different capture resolutions/bitrates etc – but that'll only work if he's capturing analogue

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mtrelins:

ok...

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mtrelins:

how are you capturing?

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__benny__:

with a DVB-S card

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mtrelins:

crap.

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mtrelins:

lol

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__benny__:

I have quite complicated setup, with an antenna with 4 LNB, a 4-way Diseq, etc ..

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justinh:

somebody somewhere has a big plan for the backend to be able to adapt streams on the fly according to the frontend asking for them – but until then...

[09:20:29]

mtrelins:

wait, isn't there a way to set the bit rate at the kernel module level?

[09:20:34]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

you get what's broadcast

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mtrelins:

bummer

[09:20:55]

justinh:

wonder how I can make that point any more clear...

[09:21:15]

justinh:

all digital tuners do is pull the streams from the airwaves & shove em out over the bus

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justinh:

if you want it in any different size/bitrate/format you're doing that yourself

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mtrelins:

you don't get what's broadcast, you get what the encoder card decides to inform your program about

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justinh:

nope

[09:21:41]

justinh:

you get what they broadcast

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justinh:

end of story

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justinh:

DVB tuner cards have no encoder onboard

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mtrelins:

i find that hard to swallow that you can't change the bitrate that your encoder encodes at at the driver level

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AndyCap:

mtrelins: there is no encoding..

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justinh:

ATSC tuner cards don't have encoding onboard either

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justinh:

nor QAM

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justinh:

you get what you get

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mtrelins:

seriously?

[09:22:36]

mtrelins:

oh heh

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AndyCap:

for digital tv. yes

[09:22:38]

mtrelins:

i understad

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justinh:

if the broadcaster pushes out 1080i at 12mbits/sec that's what you get

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mtrelins:

it's easier that way

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justinh:

easier/cheaper/easier/cheaper :)

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mtrelins:

they send out h.264 so the computer just accepts it as is

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mtrelins:

sorry, wasn't understanding for a sec

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justinh:

they send out in a format they know the set top (or in-built) hardware can cope with

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mtrelins:

even more for justin to be upset about :(

[09:23:52]

justinh:

why would I be upset about it?

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justinh:

makes tuner cards dirt cheap

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mtrelins:

you're upset about a lot of things

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justinh:

dirt simple too

[09:24:14]

justinh:

also makes life easier for DVR software

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mtrelins:

so hd doesn't need encoding

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mtrelins:

it's good to roll as is?

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justinh:

so digital TV, and the way all the channels are crammed into the bandwidth of one traditional analogue channel means the quality suffers a little sometimes.. I don't get upset by that much. the benefits largely outweigh the disadvantages

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justinh:

mtrelins: digital TV doesn't need encoding by the tuner card, no

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mtrelins:

whoa, so ... analog is much harder on a computer than digital

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mtrelins:

because it has to encode

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mtrelins:

only to decode again at some point

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mtrelins:

whereas the digital only has to decode?

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justinh:

well it doesn't have to be encoded – but if you wanna store it in any realistic form it does

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justinh:

encoded/compressed

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mtrelins:

do the bigger companies ever get pissed at mythtv?

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justinh:

we have no idea

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justinh:

I doubt mythtv is even on their radar

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mtrelins:

i would think it should be

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justinh:

nah

[09:28:32]

mtrelins:

dont you feel like dish, for example, ripped off a few myth features?

[09:28:37]

mtrelins:

like mythweb

[09:28:47]

justinh:

heh

[09:28:55]

mtrelins:

record in one room

[09:28:57]

mtrelins:

watch in another

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mtrelins:

yadda yadda

[09:29:14]

justinh:

several people have maybe borrowed ideas

[09:29:27]

justinh:

but mythtv isn't the only thing doing all this stuff

[09:29:33]

mtrelins:

so i would think that puts them in a spot to be a competitor to myth

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__benny__:

well, we got a lot of great functionality from MythTV that sometimes is not available with commercial solutions

[09:29:40]

mtrelins:

justin, but it was one of the first

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AndyCap:

it's on this radar. :P http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/arts/televi . . . mp;position=

[09:29:46]

justinh:

mythtv has no 'competition' IMHO

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justinh:

if you don't use linux, don't read slashdot or whatever – it's still unlikely you'll ever even hear of mythtv

[09:30:38]

mtrelins:

if my lawn was emo like you, it'd cut itself..

[09:30:58]

mtrelins:

it's ok to be happy

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justinh:

oh shut up

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__benny__:

is can say – MythTV is a little bit unstable, it tends to crash specially when I'm showing it for visitors at my home :P

[09:31:24]

mtrelins:

benny, i have the same problem

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__benny__:

but that's just small details ...

[09:31:29]

mtrelins:

my g/f is often frustrated

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justinh:

haven't seen mythtv crash in more than a year

[09:31:33]

mtrelins:

but she can't live w/ out it

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justinh:

mtrelins: don't talk about your love life in here please

[09:31:44]

mtrelins:

but its not really myht's fault

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mtrelins:

i'm not.

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justinh:

;)

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mtrelins:

she's a beta tester

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mtrelins:

in that she's using it, too

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justinh:

if my wife can't break mythtv...

[09:32:36]

mtrelins:

it's not really myth's fault though

[09:32:45]

mtrelins:

my dtv stb stop responding

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mtrelins:

so i have to restart them

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justinh:

and remember that if stuff is breaking, and those breakages don't get reported.. they can't get fixed :)

[09:34:07]

__benny__:

i'll try to report crash, and SEGV, it's just a little bit difficult to catch

[09:34:14]

mtrelins:

the only reason i asked my last question, is because me and the guy that got streaming at work set up.. were talking about streaming / saving, etc... htpc... and he said "i can't save my hbo shit." i said "i can"

[09:34:34]

mtrelins:

so i was thinking that hbo might not like that

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justinh:

if all I wanted was a DVR to record TV, and I didn't need/want timestretch & the ability to skip X minutes in a recording – I'd already be using a commercial product

[09:34:41]

mtrelins:

or perhaps dish, etc

[09:34:50]

mtrelins:

people that have gone pro with mythtv-firsts

[09:34:56]

justinh:

language

[09:35:22]

mtrelins:

and i'm sure that commflag is "loved"

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justinh:

I'm not using mythtv cos it 'rocks' or cos it's open source.. or anything else. it's its features I want. I couldn't care less about OSS really

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mtrelins:

i'm not talking about oss

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justinh:

commflagging doesn't work well in the UK. commflagging is – and always has – been geared to US programming

[09:36:35]

__benny__:

chaning topic a little bit, is there any plan to maybe integrate something like google-breakpad to get the crashed reported automatically

[09:36:42]

justinh:

if it works anywhere else in the world, that's happy coincidence

[09:36:57]

justinh:

__benny__: nope. it's the user's responsibility

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mtrelins:

justinh: pshyeah, like advertisers care about not north america :)

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justinh:

some packagers make debugging versions available.. but that's entirely up to them

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mtrelins:

it would be nice though to see that

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mtrelins:

but i suppose even that would introduce more bugs

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justinh:

if auto-generated crash report stuff is really useful more people would be doing it IMHO

[09:38:41]

mtrelins:

hmm... windows 7...

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mtrelins:

firefox...

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mtrelins:

just about all os x apps

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mtrelins:

i'm trying to think of applications without crash reporting

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justinh:

tell that to somebody who's actually seen mythfrontend segfault in the last 12 months :P

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justinh:

works great here (TM)

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

i notice you said mythfrontend

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mtrelins:

how's ur backend?

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justinh:

not had to restart it for as long as I can remember

[09:40:12]

mtrelins:

tbh, when my stuff dies on a guest, like benny

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justinh:

not since I upgraded

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mtrelins:

it's the backend that takes a puke

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justinh:

anyway, the odd time mythbackend has taken a fall in all the time I've used it – it's nothing like when a commercial PVR crashes

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mtrelins:

justinh: does irc make you angry?

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justinh:

a few of my mates have Sky+ .. that has a tendency to simply lose everything you've ever recorded

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justinh:

one guy had had Sky+ for 5 years & he's now on his 7th DVR

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mtrelins:

great thing about the cable company in LA

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mtrelins:

...

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mtrelins:

they can reach into your dvr

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mtrelins:

and delete shit for you :)

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justinh:

mtrelins: people in IRC make me angry

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mtrelins:

HOW COOL IS THAT?

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justinh:

mtrelins: and again, watch your language

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justinh:

you prolly don't even own the DVR

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mtrelins:

sorry, they delete "poop" for you

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justinh:

if it's rented it's theirs

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justinh:

they can do whatever they want, and you pay them for it

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mtrelins:

you're right about that

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mtrelins:

that's why i got fed up and went w/ myth

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justinh:

customers are mostly dumb anyway

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justinh:

like my friends with Sky – the signal often 'goes' when it rains. and they put up with it

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mtrelins:

you have cable?

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justinh:

and when the signal goes not only can they not watch tv – they also can't watch recordings

[09:43:37]

mtrelins:

oh seriously?

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justinh:

I do have cable, but I don't have any pay channels

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mtrelins:

that's brutal

[09:43:54]

justinh:

yeah seriously, cos the keys are broadcast over the air

[09:44:02]

mtrelins:

when i forgot to pay my cable bill i could still get to my recordings

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justinh:

and yet the people put up with it

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mtrelins:

hmmm :) no storage groups

[09:44:34]

mtrelins:

and movie is finishing

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justinh:

I love the cable ondemand stuff mostly. I can't see it all being free forever though

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justinh:

I wanted everything on-demand more than 15 years ago. I could see it coming

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mtrelins:

i always thought it was going to be in the form of internet

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mtrelins:

i didn't think cable was built bidirectional back then

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justinh:

nah. I've never seen IPTV as the great white hope

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mtrelins:

no i mean like the hulus, netflixes, etc

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mtrelins:

roku

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justinh:

I DO however see it asa way for the content providers to further screw customers

[09:46:12]

mtrelins:

well yeah

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mtrelins:

at first it's uncut movies

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justinh:

and the customers let em

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mtrelins:

then you have "previews"

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mtrelins:

then you have "commercials"

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mtrelins:

then you have pay for without that

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justinh:

then it's gonna be like linear TV all over again :)

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mtrelins:

except way more "clogging"

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mtrelins:

since it's not really multicast anymore

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justinh:

some interesting patents have been filed in recent years

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justinh:

showing ads while you skip ads

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mtrelins:

LOL

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mtrelins:

seriously?

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justinh:

stopping you change channel while ads are showing

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justinh:

yeah

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mtrelins:

that's screwed up

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AndyCap:

just one iirc. Philips did that

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justinh:

digital TV makes it all possible

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AndyCap:

and they own MHG which a number of people use

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mtrelins:

i can't stand how they jack up the volume during commercials

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justinh:

AndyCap: NDS have the former one

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mtrelins:

now they're not going to let you skip them?

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mtrelins:

lol

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justinh:

mtrelins: next up – you need a HDCP enabled armchair... when the ads come on these binders come out of the arms to stop you getting up

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justinh:

ching!

[09:49:26]

mtrelins:

so yeah, disabling storage groups fixed my videos randomly stopping problem

[09:49:38]

mtrelins:

back to good ol' samba

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mtrelins:

no idea why this worked

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justinh:

digital TV & content protection enables all kinds of insanity to prevail

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mtrelins:

i want subliminal messages back

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mtrelins:

:)

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justinh:

Sony won the court case enabling timeshifting, but now the ball is very firmly in the other court

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justinh:

it's legally acceptable, but hey let's make it physically difficult :) Kerrrching!

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mtrelins:

that's so lame

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mtrelins:

i guess though it's good

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mtrelins:

and i say this for one reason

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justinh:

oh – and everybody is guilty

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mtrelins:

maybe the people will re-influence the companies to "do the right thing"

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mtrelins:

capitalism can be funny

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mtrelins:

let's see if it works

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justinh:

I mean they have the potential to be a nasty evil pirate so therefore they ARE

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justinh:

yeah I'm all for that – punters voting with their wallet

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justinh:

do without rather than bend over

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mtrelins:

yes, but if they have no customers, then it's not behooving them to stay with "Variable Change X", is it?

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justinh:

I totally agree, but try getting people to abstain on principle

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mtrelins:

well, in a crappy economy...

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mtrelins:

all someone has to do is spring up w/ 10 dollars cheaper a month

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mtrelins:

and less annoyances

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mtrelins:

and they'll get a flock

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mtrelins:

i refuse to believe that cable companies are breaking even

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justinh:

it's amazing what customers will put up with

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mtrelins:

i believe cable companies and satellite providers are making a killing

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justinh:

sitting watching a programme my friend had recorded & it was jumping all over the place. he just shrugged & said it must've been raining when he recorded it.

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mtrelins:

lol

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justinh:

I was like "WHAT?! You PAY for this?!"

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mtrelins:

well that could happen to anyone with a wish

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mtrelins:

so you'd have to have cable

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mtrelins:

wish = dish

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justinh:

shouldn't be so though

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mtrelins:

hmm, without storage groups, the playback was smoother, too

[09:55:29]

justinh:

maybe SGs over samba = FAIL

[09:55:35]

justinh:

like samba = FAIL :)

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mtrelins:

in this instance, samba = win

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justinh:

just for kicks I once tested samba vs NFS. NFS won by a considerable margin

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mtrelins:

now my g/f will stop complaining

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justinh:

way less overhead

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mtrelins:

look, either i run samba and nfs

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mtrelins:

or i just run samba

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justinh:

NFS gives me nigh as dammit max theoretical throughput over the network

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mtrelins:

i have a business requirement from the g/f that the share must be accessible to her mac and netbook

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

so that's mac and linux

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justinh:

can't Macs mount NFS?

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mtrelins:

windows xp can easily mount nfs?

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justinh:

I thought they very much could

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justinh:

heh no

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justinh:

at least not for free anyway

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mtrelins:

windows xp and mac and linux can easily mount samba

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mtrelins:

i'm not wild about nfs and samba serving from the same spot

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mtrelins:

it's so cool to see that i have 12% used of 1.6tb

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mtrelins:

... wicked.

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mtrelins:

i had those two drives raid1'd for 0.21

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mtrelins:

i unraided them

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** justinh imagines a networked filesystem called SLUT.. much easier to mount & works fast **

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mtrelins:

heh

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mtrelins:

SLUT wouldn't like the input

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mtrelins:

you'd just feel better after a few writes

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justinh:

maybe I am a bit more cranky today. I'm having to migrate MS Outlook stuff to Thunderbird

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justinh:

I came in at 7.30am & I'm STILL waiting for exporting to a .pst to finish

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mtrelins:

i'd be cranky if i had to work in windows

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mtrelins:

get a mac

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justinh:

oh yeah easy for you to say

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justinh:

I'm not a fan of Apple stuff either. I've had to use iTunes a few times :)

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mtrelins:

i bitched so much at work they let me do a hackintosh

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mtrelins:

i don't care about iTunes

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mtrelins:

os x is just slick as hell

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mtrelins:

stable

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justinh:

I don't need slick. I just want stuff to work

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mtrelins:

then you need os x

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mtrelins:

:)

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justinh:

can you get autocad for OS X?

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mtrelins:

snow leopard is nice

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mtrelins:

no but i'm sure you can probably darwine it

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mtrelins:

90% of the code i write is just quicker to do on os x

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justinh:

anyway when the company is so stingy they make people put up with running a duron 800 desktop... grrr

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mtrelins:

yeah i have to do some mysql

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mtrelins:

and i use darwine to emulate sqlyog

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mtrelins:

a windows program :)

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mtrelins:

cuz the sql clients for os x suck

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RoccoSiff:

any1 here that uses a DVB-s2 tuner card ?

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mtrelins:

heh nice name

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RoccoSiff:

sorry, I meant a twin tuner dvb-s2 card

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RoccoSiff:

thanks mtrelins ;)

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justinh:

RoccoSiff: not likely to bump into many dvb-s users in here let alone anybody who has a dual tuner card

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justinh:

you might aswell ask a real question anyway though

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RoccoSiff:

well Im just trying to find some twin tuner dvb-s2 that will fit into a 1U rack

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RoccoSiff:

actually I want to include 2 of them.. 4 tuners in total

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justinh:

oof

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justinh:

that's a tall order

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justinh:

considering even just one tuner would likely have to go into a 90 degree riser card

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justinh:

so you're probably looking at low profile, dual tuner dvb-s tuners... which also work in linux. heh

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gsteinert:

RoccoSiff: Im a DVB-S user,but only a single tuner

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justinh:

put this way – it ain't gonna happen without a riser

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justinh:

you could always use USB tuners.. but I wouldn't trust one of them as far as I could throw one

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mtrelins:

rocco

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mtrelins:

i have a really silly question for you

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gsteinert:

and its a BIG card!

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mtrelins:

are you only limited to the rack?

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mtrelins:

or is that what you want your mythbackend to be?

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justinh:

mtrelins: they get a bit warm too don't they.. they really like airflow around em

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gsteinert:

i never had any trouble with my dvb-t USB stick, but i dont know about dvb-s sticks

[10:15:16]

mtrelins:

rocco, if you're only wanting to have the mythbackend be in a 1u rack, then look at a hdhomerun or something

[10:16:03]

justinh:

hdhomerun do dvb-s now?

[10:16:22]

justinh:

ah I think they do, but there's no getting pay TV with that

[10:16:56]

mtrelins:

i think there's a new one coming out supporting cablecard

[10:16:58]

justinh:

no CI, no means of putting a CAM inside... so no pay TV

[10:17:09]

justinh:

we don't get cablecard in europe

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justinh:

the only place dvb-s is actually relevant :)

[10:17:23]

mtrelins:

oh.

[10:17:28]

mtrelins:

nevermind

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justinh:

looks like they don't actually make the dvb-s model yet

[10:20:53]

justinh:

not that you're actually gonna have room in a 1U case for 4 DVB-S tuners and 4 CI modules though! lol

[10:21:30]

mtrelins:

lol

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justinh:

and no, mythtv doesnt work with any other kind of decryption. and no, you can't talk about non-hardware decryption methods here either

[10:21:57]

mtrelins:

if he has internal usb connections he could duct tape a few tuners inside

[10:21:58]

mtrelins:

lol

[10:22:13]

mtrelins:

oh wait, hot glue.

[10:22:31]

mtrelins:

j/k

[10:22:36]

mtrelins:

DON'T ACTUALLY DO THAT

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justinh:

hot glue doesn't hold to metal too well ;)

[10:22:47]

mtrelins:

lol

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justinh:

heh BBC 6 Music has been saved

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justinh:

but not the Asian Network. there IS some justice in the world then

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RoccoSiff:

mtrelins; Im not here because of mythtv

[10:27:33]

RoccoSiff:

Im just here because this is where Id find ppl who know about these stuff

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RoccoSiff:

http://www.media-pointer.de/epages/62290022.s . . . oducts/mp-s2 < shouldnt this fit in a 1U rack?

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justinh:

not even a low-profile card is going to fit in 1U without a right-angled riser card

[10:31:30]

justinh:

since 1U is 1.75 inches – and even a low-profile card is taller than that

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RoccoSiff:

to make them horizontal

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RoccoSiff:

justinh; how do you make 2 fit with riser cards?

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justinh:

er.. you don't

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RoccoSiff:

wouldnt 1 riser card need to go above the other one

[10:32:06]

RoccoSiff:

damn

[10:32:21]

RoccoSiff:

http://www.netup.tv/en-EN/images/IPTV_Combine_4x_rear.png

[10:32:24]

RoccoSiff:

I need something like that

[10:32:40]

RoccoSiff:

horizontally mounted DVB-2 twin tuners

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justinh:

why not just get something like a Dreambox ?

[10:33:05]

RoccoSiff:

because a dreambox doesnt have enough processing powers

[10:33:06]

justinh:

oh wait yeah that'll be with a right angled 2x risser

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RoccoSiff:

again please?

[10:33:27]

justinh:

oh wait yeah that'll be with a right angled 2x risser

[10:33:48]

RoccoSiff:

so I get a server mobo and 1U case, what kind of risers do I need?

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RoccoSiff:

1 right angled 2x riser

[10:33:52]

RoccoSiff:

and?

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justinh:

and nothing

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RoccoSiff:

does it have 2x pci-e slots then?

[10:34:29]

justinh:

probably

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justinh:

or maybe it's just straight PCI

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RoccoSiff:

yeh well pci or pci-e I guess that depends on the riser

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RoccoSiff:

what differs a 2x right angled riser card from a 1x right angled riser card

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

one had two sockets the other only has one

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RoccoSiff:

I guess that's what you meant but I was unsure because I havent seen one

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justinh:

like if the right angled riser only has one socket you can only fit one card to it!

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justinh:

:-O

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RoccoSiff:

I wonder if it occupies only 1 pci slot on the mobo

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RoccoSiff:

i.e. like a switch of somekind

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RoccoSiff:

havent seen "pci-expanders" eithers so

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justinh:

http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/ . . . Overview.jpg

[10:42:37]

justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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RoccoSiff:

I see

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RoccoSiff:

that does look awesome

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justinh:

wouldn't go that far

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justinh:

miracle of life == awesome. a thing != not awesome :)

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RoccoSiff:

justinh; in the end I am aiming to have a bunch of these 1U "computers" to do some transponder streaming

[10:45:06]

RoccoSiff:

just trying to find good candidate hardware

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__benny__:

I found a possible to stream to VLC via MythWeb. Record the program you want to see, and then open the ASX stream from MythWeb.

[10:45:22]

justinh:

__benny__: try flash streaming

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justinh:

flash streaming is already implemented

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justinh:

surprised you've not already heard about it

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__benny__:

oops, but ... what's flash streaming ?

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** mtrelins understands why justinh is cranky **

[10:47:29]

__benny__:

well, I'll start read the Wiki about flash streaming ;)

[10:48:26]

justinh:

mtrelins: heh. try doing this for a good while ;-)

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mtrelins:

lol

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__benny__:

Ok I enable flash player settings in MythWeb, do I need to restart the backend to make it work ?

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justinh:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmnope

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__benny__:

yep, coooool

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__benny__:

it works

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justinh:

that'll be $500 please

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__benny__:

if just could stream LiveTV without having it recorded first ;)

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justinh:

ForThatYouNeedToUseSomethingElse (tm)

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__benny__:

OrShouldITryImplementIt SomeDay

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__benny__:

:D

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justinh:

maybe you could try to ressurect MythStreamTV

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justinh:

or it may not even be dead for all I know :)

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__benny__:

I'll take a look at it

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justinh:

live tv is just so... last millennium :)

[11:06:03]

__benny__:

well, that's look exactly like what i'm looking for :)

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justinh:

if it still works

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__benny__:

yes, last version I find is from 2005-01–27, I guess it may not work with latest trunk version

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smegzor:

I have mythtv on Ubuntu running great with 1 dvb tuner. Recently I added a 2nd identical tuner. I can watch live tv using both tuners at once, but I can't schedule mythtv to record using both tuners. It just says there is a clash and ignores the 2nd tuner. Any idea what I need to do?

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justinh:

are you sure livetv is actually using both tuners?

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justinh:

like when you added the tuner you did actually connect the new tuner to the 'video source' ?

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smegzor:

yes positive

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smegzor:

I have also been all over the settings many times and both sources are set fine as far as I can tell

[11:13:48]

smegzor:

I'm wondering if deleting both tuners and starting from scratch would help?

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smegzor:

when I did the live test, I set tuner1 to record a channel on 1 frequency, then I watched live tv, changed the source to tuner2 and watched tv on another frequency. Had I been using 1 tuner, that would not have been possible as the tuners lock the frequency.

[11:17:07]

smegzor:

and yes I know which channels are on which frequencies. I'm sure it is possible to schedule to record using multiple tuners, but mythtv seems to have other ideas.

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justinh:

strange though, because live tv IS a recording

[11:17:31]

justinh:

if one way works I'd expect all ways to work

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smegzor:

yeah. they work great if they are not left up to the scheduler.

[11:18:36]

smegzor:

so really my problem is just with the scheduler. I have not seen any setting that would cause it to not use the 2nd free tuner.

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smegzor:

Should both tuners have the same input priority?

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AndyCap:

smegzor: did you watch both channels simultaneously or just switch source on the same frontend?

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smegzor:

I set it recording on tuner1, then while that was happening, I watched live tv (same frontend) and changed to the other tuner and watched a channel that is on a different frequency. I also set it to record (by hitting s).

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smegzor:

I then got out and observed in mythweb that both tuners were recording

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smegzor:

I am sure that I am just missing a setting somewhere, but finding it is proving tricky.

[11:28:58]

smegzor:

I am doing some recording tests now (from mythweb) and it still refuses to use both tuners. I am using 2 U3100 MyCinema usb sticks.

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smegzor:

hmm.. both input connections have the same input group. I don't have the option to have 1 on tuner 1 and the other on tuner 2.

[11:39:20]

smegzor:

adapter0->tuner1 adapter1->tuner2 but both have the same input group set to adapter0

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smegzor:

how many video sources should I have with 2 identical tuners?

[11:47:13]

smegzor:

I have deleted the tuners and am setting them up again

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smegzor:

In the channel editor, should I end up with 2 of every channel?

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justinh:

nope#

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smegzor:

So how do 2 tuners work with only 1 set of channels?

[12:09:20]

smegzor:

I got the double up because I tuned both tuners.

[12:11:51]

smegzor:

Should they both use the same video source?

[12:12:53]

smegzor:

And should input group 2 be left as generic or should that point to the other tuner?

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justinh:

if both tuners get exactly the same channels yes they should use the same video source

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justinh:

so, can this Thunderbird junk actually import a pst file? hmmm

[12:38:31]

justinh:

apparently not. sigh

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justinh:

and it takes longer to start up than outlook ever did. wheee

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justinh:

it's all well & good saying we're not letting you use MS stuff anymore, but if the alternative is as bad as this I might as well give up now

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smegzor:

i like thunderbird :P and I have imported pst's before (long time ago).

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justinh:

my duron 800 isn't liking it

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justinh:

I used to like Thunderbird. I even used it at home

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justinh:

but this experience has put me off it for life

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justinh:

I'll stick to my webmail

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justinh:

well I say that, but gmail has suddenly started wanting to open mails in a popup. nasty

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justinh:

ahh sticky CTRL key over freenx. I hate that

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xand:

thunderbird 3 spends ages indexing things when you set it up (with imap accounts anyway)

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justinh:

oh apparently the official migration instructions say to NOT export/import anything

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justinh:

which I didn't get, cos I wasn't on the mailing list. heh

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justinh:

ok I clicked on the .odt file a couple of minutes ago....

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justinh:

lol and now it's 'loading document'

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justinh:

pfft. now it's actually finished loading

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justinh:

MS Office wasn't this bad

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at0m:

justinh: MS office would tell you to buy the upgrade to open your doc that your friend edited and saved under a newer version ;p

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justinh:

at least it'd open in a timely manner

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k-man:

how do i tell mythtv to rerecord any showings of a shw show even if they were once recorded before?

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justinh:

with buttons & stuff

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sphery:

k-man: go to Previously Recorded somewhere under Manage Recordings, find an episode of the show, then use MENU to "Remove all episodes" or something to that effect

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justinh:

see – buttons & stuff :)

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rjune:

justinh, I think thunderbird can import a pst if run on windows with MS Office installed

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mzb:

svn not working? ... or is it just me?

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mzb:

hmm: svn: Repository moved permanently to 'http://www.mythtv.org/svn/trunk'; please relocate

[15:00:18]

mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

^ not right either

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mzb:

can't get websvn now either

[15:01:42]

mzb:

odd

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mzb:

doesn't appear to be my dns

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mzb:

nm, maybe another day

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yudi1:

I use a usb twintuner, used to have two capture cards, but now only have /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 available not adapter1. There is no file named frontend0 @ /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0. How do I get 2 tuners back?

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justinh:

yudi1: some dual tuners need a module option to enable the dual part

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justinh:

see the linuxtv wiki

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yudi1:

justinh, it used to work with two tuners, it somehow got corrupted. reading this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Troubleshooting – Fixing Capture Card Setup Errors. Looks like need to delete capturecard table in mysql

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justinh:

wha?

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justinh:

mythtv has no bearing on whether or not device drivers create a 2nd device

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justinh:

what is in the database has nothing to do with there being no /dev/dvb/adapter1

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justinh:

if there used to be a /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0 but there now isn't one that isn't mythtv's fault

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yudi1:

ok, reading linuxtv wiki

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justinh:

I was a little bit confused because you said you've got a usb twin tuner now but you used to have 2 capture cards

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justinh:

oh wait – actually maybe now it's not treated as 2 different devices

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justinh:

is there a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and frontend1 by any chance?

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justinh:

my bet is you've actually updated your distro, or changed distro & the kernel is newer so things have changed

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yudi1:

there is a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 but no frontend in /dev/dvb/adapter1

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justinh:

is there anything in /dev/dvb/adapter1 ?

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justinh:

and does the 1st adapter actually still work?

[17:33:48]

justinh:

this is starting to sound like a job for #linuxtv

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yudi1:

yes 3 files – demux0, dvr0, net0

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justinh:

weird

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yudi1:

yes adapter0 works,

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justinh:

I think you need to ask in #linuxtv. never run into that kind of weirdness here

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yudi1:

but cannot select adapter1

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yudi1:

k

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justinh:

well yeah, cos if there's no frontend visible.. erm.. you don't have a working tuner there :)

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yudi1:

does that mean it's missing frontend file under adapter1

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justinh:

is there anything interesting reported by dmesg?

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justinh:

or in the kernel log perhaps?

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justinh:

oh and you could also try checking as root (via su or something)

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justinh:

might still only be a permissions issue

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justinh:

anyway, have you changed distro or updated the kernel or reinstalled... ?

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yudi1:

no

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justinh:

because if you've not changed the underlying OS or kernel maybe the hardware is broken

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yudi1:

no works perfectly under vista

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yudi1:

but I unplugged the tuner once

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yudi1:

while using ubuntu

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justinh:

examine the output of dmesg very closely

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yudi1:

af9015: firmware copy to 2nd frontend failed, will disable it

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yudi1:

found this

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justinh:

bingo

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yudi1:

uninstall and reinstall of firmware drive will help?

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yudi1:

driver

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justinh:

not likely

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justinh:

as I suspected I think your only hope now is in #linuxtv

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yudi1:

k, thanks. will move to #linuxtv

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[R]:

mythweb needs to be abel to sort by 2 fields

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** [R] hax0rs it up **

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high-rez:

Anyone here tried to use an onkyo receiver as a UPnP media player ? It goes through my music collection and for every song says it can't play.

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yudi1:

justinh, just one more quick question. I cannot suspend the system when the tuner is connected? How to fix this. Tried stopping mythbackend. still no use.

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[R]:

high-rez: it supports the codec?

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high-rez:

R: Yeah. its almost all mp3

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high-rez:

This is the output from the backend in verbose for upnp: http://pastebin.ca/1895054

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high-rez:

I didn't even realized this thing supported UPnP until I tried to play pandora and saw it come up with my mythserver when I accidently pushed the network button twice. :) So it discovers myth just fine – and even sees all the music – but freaks out when trying to play it back.

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[R]:

you could try filing a bug report

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[R]:

i know in the past theres been a few bug reports against hardware that idndt do upnp correctly

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justinh:

ah the joy of upnp

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justinh:

oh did I say joy? I meant the sheer potluck

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high-rez:

Yeah, it's amazing how fragile the spec is. Or implementation of.

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justinh:

there's a spec? :-O

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justinh:

oh yeah there was supposed to be but everybody mostly does whatever they want :)

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high-rez:

A loose list of rules?

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high-rez:

A friendly suggestion on how to implement? :P

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justinh:

cut the rules bit & it's probably about right

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high-rez:

Clearly, there needs to be an RFC. If there was an RFC everyone would just work together correctly, except of course microsoft.

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** high-rez ducks **

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justinh:

wonder if this DNLA stuff is improving things any

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justinh:

maybe with DNLA everything will not work exactly the same :P

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high-rez:

Hmmf

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high-rez:

I didn't even really care about it playing from my myth server berfore I knew it could do it, and now that I know its technically possible, but just not working its driving me nuts.

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justinh:

I've tried it out on a few things I've got just out of interest – and it does actually work

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justinh:

I mean where the device in question can actually play the files served

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high-rez:

Yeah, i know myth upnp works for the most part. Worked fine with a PS3 I tried (except that the PS3 would crap out if the video had any corruption)

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justinh:

can the onkyo thing officially play mp3?

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high-rez:

Yeah, it can.

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high-rez:

It streams mp3 from pandora all day long

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high-rez:

I wonder if it just don't like the mime type

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justinh:

it's as easy to set up another server

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justinh:

unless you feel like digging into it with a network ferretting tool

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high-rez:

i could take a quick tcpdump and look at it with wireshark i suppose

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high-rez:

lets have a look

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[R]:

blah

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[R]:

it claims to be setting the speed for my dvd drive... but its totally noisy

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high-rez:

Huh. Perhaps its asking for an unsupported mode? transferMode.dlna.org: Streaming

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high-rez:

Or a missing response header.

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high-rez:

Looks like myth should response back with a content-range and a contentfeatures.dnla.org header

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high-rez:

Hmm and a transfermode header

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high-rez:

So it looks more like myth just doesn't support dnla (at least the required header) – as opposed to being a upnp incompatibility

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** high-rez tries to hack in some additional headers **

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** high-rez crosses his fingers **

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bjd:

Hm, looking at buying a new TV

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bjd:

LED does look rather nice

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** Beirdo looks at the mess where his mythtv and tv stuff is staged... on the floor... and groans **

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Beirdo:

I have the cabinet... just waiting for one more IR emitter so I can get it all setup, and then I can put it all away

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Beirdo:

oh, and the USB hub :)

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Beirdo:

kinda running low on ports :)

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justinh:

I wish the people selling 'LED' TVs would get a good slap

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justinh:

it's LED backlighting

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wagnerrp:

well that depends

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wagnerrp:

are these people selling jumbotrons?

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justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

when you get to 40', LEDs start to make monetary sense

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justinh:

when you get to 40', you might need a slightly bigger house

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wagnerrp:

nonsense, theres plenty of room inside your tv for all your furnishings

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justinh:

my livingroom is only 10 metres by 4 metres

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo considers using a projector and the white wall **

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justinh:

and this is a *big* house by many UK standards :)

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Beirdo:

UK--

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I want a castle

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Beirdo:

make it so

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BLZbubba:

hi guys, how hard is it to do a kid's mythtv client where it restricts them to just shows with kid-friendly ratings (red in mythweb) and maybe a few others that i hand-select?

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justinh:

neighbours have recently commented it's about time we get some more bodies in this 'big house', just the 2 of us here

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wagnerrp:

BLZbubba: mythtv has some limited support for parental filtering

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justinh:

BLZbubba: maybe a custom frontend identifier (done from your own launcher) with parental controls set up

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wagnerrp:

note that anyone with access to the internet can find everything they need to bypass said filtering

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should not be considered secure against anyone halfway decent with a computer

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justinh:

yeah we're still waiting for the big patch to enable proper multiuser support :)

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AndyCap:

then again if they have internet, why bypass the parental controls. :P

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BLZbubba:

my son isn't quite up to that stage yet; he wants to watch the electric company

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justinh:

but with a kid on the way I've got my eye on it

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BLZbubba:

he's like 7

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justinh:

heh. not a l337 haxx0r yet then

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justinh:

basic parental controls should suit you then

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BLZbubba:

not yet but he is really trying to guess the passwords by watching my fingers

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Beirdo:

I dunno, I know some kids that age who could give most of us a run for our money

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BLZbubba:

ok thanks

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justinh:

there's possibly a snag in that you might have to set everything as pin protected that you want to block

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justinh:

or it might work the other way.. I've not tried it out myself yet

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BLZbubba:

ok i'll play around with it

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justinh:

it'd be altogether better IMHO to just not list stuff which is protected, rather than say it's there. red rag to a bull, yada yada

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

"Daddy, what's the Playboy Channel, and why can't I watch it?"

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justinh:

ah. parental controls *are* very basic

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justinh:

BLZbubba: in that case ... er... ahem. hmmm. heh

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skd5aner:

yea, but now that 98% of the all the developers seem to be in the baby making business, I would venture to say that parental controls might start to rise up in the TODO list?

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justinh:

yeah give it 2 or 3 years

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I must be the 2% then

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Beirdo:

oooh, 18min until 2 recordings start

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Beirdo:

yay

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justinh:

anyway how do you get 98%. there aren't even that many left

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clever:

Beirdo: yeah, the controls in my old STB had an option to hide the titles for any locked programs, instead of just locking the channel itself out

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justinh:

IMHO upnp should just be shredded

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justinh:

by 'upnp' & DNLA they all seem to mean 'yeah works great when you use the server software we provide on a windows machine'

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Beirdo:

UPnP is, unfortunately, poorly implemented all-round

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BLZbubba:

hmm looks like there are no settings at all for parental controls on recordings, hmm

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justinh:

there is a kind of thing

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justinh:

password protect all recordings

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justinh:

but that's all. I thought there was more

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skd5aner:

justinh: 98% – we all know that some developers are weighted more than others ;)

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stevieman:

is there a known issue with the movie DB and movie posters?

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wagnerrp:

there is some change with how TMDB handles images which has caused issues with mythvideo

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: thanks, do you know if there is a fix or is it too soon to be looking? I didn't see anything in the Wiki

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wagnerrp:

waiting for the developer in question to get back in town

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wagnerrp:

or someone else to get up enough motivation to fix it

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: cool, thanks, was just wondering

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Beirdo:

OK, wherever the "HD" icon comes from for mythweb (and the frontend), it needs fixing

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Beirdo:

it should be determined by the captured file, not by the listing info :)

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Beirdo:

as I HIGHLY doubt that my PVR250 just recorded HD

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wagnerrp:

'HD' comes from the listings data.

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wagnerrp:

HD1080 and HD720 come from the video itself

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Beirdo:

OK, well that's lame :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: the issue is that you can set recording rules to record "HD" listings (or search for HD listings, etc) – so that's why they are there, not for previously recorded, but upcoming recordings

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Beirdo:

in my case, I share the listings info between my HD and non-HD receivers... as the channels match

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Beirdo:

and mythtv THOUGHT it recorded on TBS-HD

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: The channels may match as far as programming, but I bet they have unique xmltv IDs (if in NA)

[20:55:38]

Beirdo:

but really, it got TBS

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Beirdo:

they do

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Beirdo:

but they have matching channel listings... and most importantly to the receivers... matching channel numbers

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Beirdo:

so on an HD receiver, myth may think it's asking for the SD version, but it will get the HD

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Beirdo:

and vice versa on the SD receivers

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

hmmmm, so in my case, I have (in several cases) and SD analog channel, and SD digital channel, and an HD channel (for local programming, basic cable, etc)

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Beirdo:

no biggy, just looks dumb to see HD beside an SD recording, and no HD besside the HD recording

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skd5aner:

so, my SD analog and SD digital channels, are unique channel numbers, but have the same callsigns and xmltvids, but the HD channels often are unique for channum, callsigns, and xmltvids

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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skd5aner:

but in your case, your HD channum and SD channum are the same?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

DirecTV maps it that way

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skd5aner:

Ah...

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skd5aner:

Yea, I seem to recall that when I go to my parents house and visit

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Beirdo:

the HD icon should (IMHO) be based off the resolution of the recording itself

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skd5aner:

I think I shut off the SD channels so they didn't display (in their case, non-myth users)

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: for recorded programs, that would make sense – I thought that someone was working on that last year

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Beirdo:

sure, in the upcoming recordings, you gotta go with the listings data

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Beirdo:

but once it's recorded, check the file :)

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skd5aner:

I swear I remember reading in the commits that was the intention for recorded data – in fact, I thought it was already in place?

[21:00:26]

skd5aner:

because sometimes I get the HD1080i icon, sometimes the HD720p icon, and sometimes just an HD icon (in mfe)

[21:00:30]

skd5aner:

not sure about mythweb

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Beirdo:

of course, on the frontend.. I use Arclight, and I haven't seen ANY HD icons that I recall

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skd5aner:

that's what I use

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skd5aner:

I see them all the time

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

I'll have to go look again

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skd5aner:

for both my ATSC recordings (MPEG2) and my HDPVR (h.264) recordins

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Beirdo:

OK, I see HD

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Beirdo:

and it matches the lies in mythweb

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skd5aner:

weird

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skd5aner:

Well, maybe it assumes that it's HD if the listing says it is, but it can't actually do the check?

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Beirdo:

I know that there's work being done on metadata right now

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skd5aner:

because, I know in some cases where my STB would switch output resolutions during commercials, that the recording would just be listed as "HD", but if the recording was a consistent resolution the whole way through, it would say HD1080i or HD720p

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Beirdo:

could be the theme doesn't use the up-to-date info?

[21:04:34]

Beirdo:

I'm using trunk. :)

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skd5aner:

yea, I'm still on .23-fixes

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skd5aner:

who knows what the Program Info refactor did

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Beirdo:

OK, it's probably something that needs updating in the theme due to updated metadata handling

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Beirdo:

blargh

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Beirdo:

gonna slap something

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Beirdo:

I don't get it

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Beirdo:

the channel changing works fine from livetv

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Beirdo:

but when I went to record... both receivers ended up tuning the same stupid channel

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Beirdo:

and the IR shouldn't be leaking between

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Beirdo:

I have electrical tape over the emitter/receiver pair

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

frontend segfault

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skd5aner:

can you do serial instead of IR?

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Beirdo:

in theory

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Beirdo:

but not right now, don't have the gear for it

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skd5aner:

besides a cable, what gear?

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Beirdo:

you need a particular USB->serial cable for the receiver end

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skd5aner:

I use firewire to change my STB channels

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skd5aner:

I know that's not an options for DTV

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Beirdo:

plus nullmodem, plus USB->serial for the other end

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skd5aner:

nice

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Beirdo:

I'll look into it in a couple weeks when I get back from Philly :)

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Beirdo:

heading there Friday

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Beirdo:

wish I still had my old 4-way serial card :)

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Beirdo:

although, really... USB is easier to deal with

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Beirdo:

wow, that's kinda.. blasphemous

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Beirdo:

OK, why does the frontend keep saying "ScanATSCCaptionStreams" when I'm not using ATSC

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Beirdo:

anyone here mess with NAS boxen for storage?

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dustybin:

my server is my network area storage

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dustybin:

another box would be a waste of leccy

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Beirdo:

not what I asked :)

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: sorta, but not for myth

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Beirdo:

K. I'm kinda considering the concept

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skd5aner:

I know wagnerrp and others have some opinions on it – I'm a bit indifferent either way

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skd5aner:

if you are using it for myth storage

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Beirdo:

I would like to... external network storage could work well for me

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Beirdo:

saves cracking the machine open and trying to fit disk in :)

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KungFuJesus:

so I thought mythvideo natively supported bluray isos/directory structures

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skd5aner:

in trunk, yes

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skd5aner:

and only if they are unecrypted

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KungFuJesus:

this is, not trunk, though

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KungFuJesus:

it's .23

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skd5aner:

then it's not supported :)

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skd5aner:

only >.23, which hasn't been released yet

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Beirdo:

turnk :)

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Beirdo:

the drunk version of trunk

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KungFuJesus:

menus and all, eh?

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KungFuJesus:

blurays are 40GB+, even ripping out the languages that adds up :-/

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KungFuJesus:

will there ever be a way to decrypt the stream on the disc in real time?

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

not if the MPAA can help it

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KungFuJesus:

wouldn't have to rip it if they'd just let me play my discs legitimately

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KungFuJesus:

most BD players are running an embedded form of linux anyway, that's sorta ironic

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Beirdo:

most are running Java last I heard

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KungFuJesus:

linux with Java :-p. BD menus are all JVM based, yeah

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KungFuJesus:

my BD player came with about 80 LGPL licenses, lol

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KungFuJesus:

libpng libjpeg busybox etc etc

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

what to do...

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