Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 30th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: nah, you can do whatever you want with the data for personal use

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opij:

wagnerrp: well, i don't know. i'm not sure what that is, though i would google it if you think it's a possible solution

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icebalm:

so I'm planning a new mythtv box, and was about to pull the trigger on a hauppauge hvr-2250 until I saw, in big bold letters "digital recording only", can anyone suggest a PCI-e tuner which works for HD digital and NTSC analog?

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wagnerrp:

opij: http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision

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Beirdo:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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icebalm:

yay, bot replies :D

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opij:

thank you wagnerrp. They describe it as beta but it sounds very alpha to me.

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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wagnerrp:

icebalm: there is no PCIe tuner that supports analog and digital, in north america, and is worth using

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icebalm:

wagnerrp: that makes me sad

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Beirdo:

mythtv is... fairly alpha/beta, really

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opij:

ok

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opij:

is there a better solution

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Beirdo:

and it is ever-changing too

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1600 is the only such card worth using, and it is PCI

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Beirdo:

why would you need a better solution?

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opij:

all i want is to be able to flip through online streams like they're channels

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wagnerrp:

icebalm: everything else that 'supports analog' is just going to have a garbage framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

the digital side would probably be perfectly fine, but you dont want to record off framegrabbers

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so integrating imdbpy and ftping the data would be good?. :P

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1800/1850 would fit your bill perfectly, but there is a driver bug which prevents the analog mpeg encoder from working with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: sure, going to re-get that big file every time you run the grabber?

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wagnerrp:

i bet if we made that default behavior on mythtv, we could get them to change their terms of use pretty quickly

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: most of my movies are older than 3 months so no. :P

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: but no artwork

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icebalm:

wagnerrp: yeah I was looking at that one and the 2250

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yeah, I guess eyecandy is the big attraction. :)

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wagnerrp:

icebalm: you have no PCI slots?

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icebalm:

wagnerrp: sadly no, the hardware I was going to use only has a 1x PCIe slot

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you dont want to use one of them for a backend

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wagnerrp:

specifically for its lack of expandability

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wagnerrp:

and depending on the processor, the lack of power

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icebalm:

core 2 duo 2.6ghz

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wagnerrp:

one of the Zotac mini-itx boards?

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icebalm:

intel

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icebalm:

but yeah

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wagnerrp:

well if youre doing playback, you want something with nvidia graphics

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wagnerrp:

that core2 should handle anything short of bluray content in software though

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icebalm:

gma 4500HD won't push it?

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wagnerrp:

not yet, talk to beirdo about that

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wagnerrp:

him and/or one of the other devs should be implementing VAAPI in the near term

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wagnerrp:

for now, VDPAU is the only game in town

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AndyCap:

icebalm: 720p does work on my dg45fc but I'm sure I could get better filtering or something with moar cpu or vdpau graphics.

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Beirdo:

VAAPI... yum. markk made patches, but I haven't had a chance to try it for my GMA500 yet

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Beirdo:

he's been working on it lately

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icebalm:

AndyCap: yeah that's the exact board I have and 720p was what I was aiming for

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AndyCap:

icebalm: E8500 @ 3.16GHz

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AndyCap:

icebalm: apart from vaapi not being there yet I love it. :P

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Beirdo:

Ewww, Quassel IRC is Qt based? :)

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icebalm:

I have an E6300 2.8

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AndyCap:

heh, here I thought it was web-based

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Lexridge:

Hey guys, Am still having that strange mythfrontend startup problem. It is intermittant, but mostly I have to kill it, and restart and eventually it will start LiveTV.

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icebalm:

AndyCap: are you just using it for the frontend or backend also?

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AndyCap:

icebalm: frontend only

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Lexridge:

Here is the most verbose logs I can generate: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1892162

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Lexridge:

Someone has suggested a few weeks ago to change the rendering mode to opengl, but that did not make any difference.

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icebalm:

hrm, my situation requires both in one box

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Lexridge:

and it only started AFTER updating to 0.23

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AndyCap:

unfortunately they stopped selling my frontend case

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Lexridge:

Do my logs provide any clues?

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Lexridge:

Anyone? Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

jya: just repeating what others who actually know what changes would need to be made have said

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what did dst have to do with previews, anyway?

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wagnerrp:

absolutely nothing

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sphery:

heh, ok, so it's not just me that thought so

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sphery:

seems jya isn't here, or I'd back you up

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else... there have been 18 times in the entire existence of mythtv that it even could have caused problems

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sphery:

heh, that's a stat that should be mentioned /far/ more often

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sphery:

wonder if that was the same Robert :)

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wagnerrp:

seems hes running xbmc as a frontend for mythtv... on his xbox

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and I *have* considered making that precise change, BTW

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Beirdo:

but there are so many better things to do

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Beirdo:

like mythgallery :)

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Beirdo:

and mythweather... vaapi... beer...

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

Mariners are clobbering the Yankees :)

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Beirdo:

and (unfortunately) I have both starting pitchers...

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sphery:

and if you're going to change it, you have to change it everywhere--and factor in the problems with relying on MySQL to do the in-DB conversion (as it won't work properly for all our users with all their "varying" configurations), so you'll have to pull every single date/time field out of the DB, and do the conversion yourself and then write it back to the DB

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, only strike i see against him in my ML logs is that he runs xbmc on his xbox, and actually enjoys it

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, don't think I didn't realize that :)

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sphery:

and you have to change MythWeb, which is using a combination of PHP code, Perl code (which does in-DB conversions), and utc internally and ...

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Beirdo:

the end result is likely worth the pain...

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Beirdo:

but OMG, what a pain

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sphery:

Beirdo: note, also, I said, "varying" (which is the nice way of saying "broken" :)

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Beirdo:

it can wait

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sphery:

yeah, lots of pain, not a lot of benefit

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sphery:

something for version 2.0, IMHO

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Beirdo:

I dunno, it will be a lot faster in a fair number of places

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Beirdo:

no conversion to/from unixtime required unless you NEED it in text form

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sphery:

how fasters?

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sphery:

but that conversion can't be that difficult/time-consuming

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Beirdo:

each time it may not be, but we do it many many many times

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wagnerrp:

its the kind of thing i would love to use epoch time, just for simplicity

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Beirdo:

including inside mysql right now

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sphery:

granted, we do it a lot, but a lot of nanoseconds/milliseconds spread over hours of usage is still not a lot of real time

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wagnerrp:

but since the python bindings support going to and from ISO time strings, the existing use is good enough for me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: then we'll get the leap-second nay-sayers

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Beirdo:

and it will take less storage space too

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Beirdo:

screw leap seconds

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Beirdo:

like we care

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

oooh, your recording is off by a second or two... MEH!

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Beirdo:

but yeah, the pain is significant

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sphery:

space wouldn't be affected, would it?

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Beirdo:

so for 1.0

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sphery:

looking at mysql's storage for datetime

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sphery:

8 bytes

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Beirdo:

yeah, how much space does it take to store a datetime in mysql... in qt... in perl... in python... vs a 32bit int?

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sphery:

4bytes for timestamp

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Beirdo:

but it's a significant change

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Beirdo:

and we have so many better things to waste our time on

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sphery:

timestamp is 4-byte integer represending seconds since the epoch

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

for now :)

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sphery:

datetime is 4-byte int for date and 4-byte int for time

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Beirdo:

it will become an 8-byte integer soon enough

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wagnerrp:

jya: as per the current discussion, if nothing else, it would mean stripping out the special handling of timestamps throughout mythtv

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sphery:

is the 2038 issue only with 31-bit ints or 32-bit?

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wagnerrp:

for what amounts to a very negligible gain

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sphery:

(i.e. it's only for signed ints, right?)

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wagnerrp:

thats the 32-bit rollover

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Beirdo:

32 bit, I think. not sure

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wagnerrp:

people were excited a couple years back when it hit the 31-bit rollover

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

at 31bits, you get 68 years, so it's actually a 31-bit rollover

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Beirdo:

anyways, we should put the timestamp issue into the "hmmm, maybe some decade" pile

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sphery:

and the problem is that many software progs use signed int

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Beirdo:

just too many better things to worry about

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sphery:

(probably also in the *nix spec as signed)

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wagnerrp:

youre right, it is signed

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wagnerrp:

i guess it was the 30-bit rollover

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo makes moose antlers with his fingers... **

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sphery:

jya: also, the conversion of data in the DB would be a challenge to do properly such that it works for all users (regardless of the DB-server-specified time zones--and the fact that many users have their DB servers set to use different time zones than their MythTV servers)

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Beirdo:

he quitted

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

would be easy to do for anyone with a proper setup

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sphery:

oh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

he left again

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wagnerrp:

and beirdo already said that... horray for irc lag

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sphery:

guess I don't need to say, "But our users like to remind us how important it is for us to let them run with broken setups." :)

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Beirdo:

I so need beer

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sphery:

irc lag is actually "sphery's slow reading" in this case :)

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sphery:

oh, you meant for you... nvm

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Beirdo:

the nice thing is... if we eventually DID use epoch time, we could not care about timezones as much

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sphery:

right

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Beirdo:

but... MEH

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

my catcher is now on the DL?!

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sphery:

but it was a lot easier to write code to verify time zones than to convert to some TZ-agnostic time representation, so I choose the easier approach

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wagnerrp:

right, if you were were to rework the whole thing, switching to UTC wouldnt get you much

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sphery:

but then some user could start writing in, "On my master backend, all the times are correct, but when I look at the EPG on the remote frontend, the times are all off by an hour."

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sphery:

and, "MythWeb shows the right times, but the frontend shows wrong times..." and ...

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Beirdo:

oh, understood, sphery h

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yes it would

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Beirdo:

it standardizes the time to what's used by EVERYTHING in UNIX :)

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sphery:

then we'll say, "Change your systems to all run in the same time zone," and they'll say, "But, I need to run this frontend in UTC, even though my backend has to run in US Eastern time"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont get that

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Beirdo:

I do

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wagnerrp:

why would you want your systems in something other than local time?

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Beirdo:

it would usually be the other way around

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Beirdo:

backend in UTC, frontend in local

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sphery:

then we'll tell them, "Start the mythfrontend process in an environment that specifies: TZ="America/New_York"

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wagnerrp:

why would you want your backend in anything other than local time?

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Beirdo:

many many people use UTC for servers

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Beirdo:

define "local"?

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Beirdo:

:0

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sphery:

and they'll say, "But the frontend is actually in Washington state and the backend is in New York, so it /is/ using the right timezone."

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wagnerrp:

the timezone the server exists in

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Beirdo:

with servers in general...

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sphery:

meaning--after converting--we'll get the exact same complaints we get now :)

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Beirdo:

OK, for instance... I'm in PDT

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Beirdo:

my linode is in EDT

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Beirdo:

what's local time for that server?

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sphery:

but 2x per year, people won't have to use start early/end late for recordings that span the DST changeover

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Beirdo:

PDT is, as that's what the USER's local time is

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sphery:

but your MythTV systems are all in your house, right?

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

but yes

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but what if they want to... replicate their database offsite

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo is being a dillhole for the fun of it **

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sphery:

is there really any reason for the offsite replication to understand the meaning of the times?

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wagnerrp:

you want the times to make sense

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sphery:

just like there was never a reason for MySQL to understand the meaning of the characters in our text fields

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Beirdo:

likely not

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wagnerrp:

or would you want to record your primetime shows at 5pm?

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Beirdo:

just heads up though...

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Beirdo:

the bot will likely switch to UTC at some point :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

aww...

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Beirdo:

or to Pacific time

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wagnerrp:

but its so nice to look at it in my local time

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sphery:

still, having local times makes it a /lot/ easier to do things like mythcommflag -c 1351 -s '2010-06–29 20:00:00'

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Beirdo:

or Eastern

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Beirdo:

right now, it's in AST

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Beirdo:

year round... Puerto Rico time

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sphery:

and, yeah, we could convert anything coming in from command line, but basically, right now it's all in the same times...

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Beirdo:

yes, but converting THAT time to a UNIX time is easy :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

only problem is that some things convert to unix time

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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sphery:

some things = Qt at the low level and PHP, etc.

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Beirdo:

it's all silly

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

"now + 2h"

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Beirdo:

commflagging of 1080i going at 18fps, BTW

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Beirdo:

sorry, 1080i H.264 :)

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sphery:

on Atom?

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sphery:

or the Atom is your firewall?

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Beirdo:

Atom's the firewall :)

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sphery:

ah...

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Beirdo:

on the Pentium D

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sphery:

cool--still amazing for that proc

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sphery:

3GHz or so?

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wagnerrp:

2.8

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Beirdo:

2.8 :)

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sphery:

I've always wondered if it reports frames properly on that--or if it's actually reporting fields...

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wagnerrp:

fields

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Beirdo:

hmm, I dunno, that's a Captain_Murdoch question, I think :)

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wagnerrp:

it reports fields properly on that

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wagnerrp:

so youre actually running at ~1/3x

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** sphery wonders if wagnerrp just knows proc capabilities that well or if he heard Beirdo say that before... **

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Beirdo:

likely remembered from last night

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's recording me some Deadliest Catch (which I switched to new episodes only)

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sphery:

good--I would have been worried if he just "knew" that's what a 2.8GHz Pentium D would give

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i could have guess beirdo bought the low end P-D

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Beirdo:

bought?

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

inherited

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wagnerrp:

i think the 2.8 was the slowest one they made

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Imaginativeone:

run away from Primerica

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Beirdo:

perma-loan/whatever

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sphery:

My condolences for your loss.

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sphery:

Hope it wasn't your favorite uncle.

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Beirdo:

It's a nice box

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

no, not like that

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

that's good

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

my family's computers are all junk

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

so, it's easy to convert to UTC, now, because we have accessors.

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wagnerrp:

i remember ~5yrs ago, all the tech sites were talking about how great the 2.8 P-D was for the price

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sphery:

so get right on it Beirdo

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wagnerrp:

since they were undercutting the price (and performance) of all of AMDs dual core offerings of the time

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Beirdo:

I'll get right on mythgallery :)

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Beirdo:

well, after finishing with mythweather

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wagnerrp:

but apparently with sufficient cooling, it was a great overclocker

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sphery:

people seem to forget that we use these dates /everywhere/--including in external clients like MythWeb and 2x bindings and ... which all need fixing at the same time

[01:08:10]

Beirdo:

yeah, of course, sphery

[01:08:31]

Beirdo:

but we also reduce complexity of many of those external clients that have to convert too

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Beirdo:

:)

[01:08:43]

Beirdo:

but yeah, monumental change

[01:09:11]

** Beirdo throws more CPU at the problem **

[01:09:14]

Beirdo:

there, fixed

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sphery:

the bright side of the change would be: a) it would break a lot of stuff in MythTV trunk during a development cycle, thereby encouraging users to run -fixes and b) it would break all the 3rd-party clients that do bad things with proto

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Beirdo:

I like protobuf or the like to fix the latter

[01:10:02]

Beirdo:

makes being a protocol nazi easier

[01:10:15]

Beirdo:

and the python bindings should be simple :)

[01:10:34]

sphery:

yeah, if I get a chance to work on the embedded DB right after 0.24 release, I plan to go with protobuf... at that point, using it for the proto would actually make things much simpler (and there wouldn't be any reason not to use it at that point)

[01:10:40]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp and his python... keep it in yer pants :)

[01:10:57]

Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

that should be fun

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** sphery doesn't like the snake eggs he finds all over his filesystem from all this python stuff **

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Beirdo:

I'd rather see perls...

[01:11:25]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

heh, yeah

[01:11:48]

Beirdo:

and the Everglades are being overrun by Burmese Pythons...

[01:11:55]

Beirdo:

bad snakes!

[01:12:14]

Beirdo:

anyways... :)

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Beirdo:

holy crap. look at the time

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sphery:

like ~/.python-eggs/MySQL_python-1.2.3c1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg-tmp/_mysql.so

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sphery:

what is that?

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Beirdo:

I need to go home so I can get cracking on stuff.

[01:12:58]

wagnerrp:

time to go home and start screwing around more?

[01:13:02]

sphery:

something out of: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MySQL_python-1.2.3c1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg , perhaps?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

gotta get animated maps in there so whiners can eat me :)

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wagnerrp:

why do you have a shared library in your home?

[01:13:48]

Beirdo:

because he has a lot of books... duh

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sphery:

no idea

[01:14:08]

Beirdo:

and on THAT note... seeya on the flip side

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sphery:

the tmp in the dir name seems to indicate I can delete it...

[01:15:22]

sphery:

so, there

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sphery:

strange... it's not on the file system I used to clone that system... Only on my frontend system.

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AYarter:

Hey everyone. I've just switched to an HDTV, and I'm having issues getting the mythfrontend to the proper resolution. I've tried to set it manually, and let it autodetect, but the screen is just super zoomed in. Any ideas?

[01:21:19]

opij:

can anyone help me with another possible solution?

[01:21:50]

opij:

i'd like to be able to flip through streams like tv channels on my television

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Lexridge:

Ayarter, have you tried the screen wizard?

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AYarter:

I have, but I did it via ssh

[01:22:13]

AYarter:

Refresh my memory as to where I find that again?

[01:22:31]

Lexridge:

I'd have to find it myself, actually.

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AYarter:

Lexridge, Noi difference

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AYarter:

the mythfrontend says its setting it upo to 800x600, but its set to auto detect

[01:31:03]

AYarter:

And it does just that when I specify resolutions too

[01:31:21]

Lexridge:

it might have something to do with the fact you're doing this through ssh x session.

[01:31:30]

AYarter:

I did this at the machine itself

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Lexridge:

What is your native screen res?

[01:31:51]

AYarter:

ATM, its 854x480

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AYarter:

and X is doing just fine with that

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AYarter:

I've triued everything up to Xx1080, and it always does the same thing

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Lexridge:

your using a 4:3 monitor I would assume?

[01:34:48]

AYarter:

No

[01:34:51]

AYarter:

16:9

[01:35:02]

AYarter:

Its an HDTV hooked up via monitor port

[01:35:25]

AYarter:

X works fine at 854x480. Just mythtv always wants to start at 800x600

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AYarter:

even when I manually specify something else

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wagnerrp:

the VGA port may be arbitrarily and worthlessly restricted

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wagnerrp:

can you try DVI?

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AYarter:

wagnerrp, I cannot... However, X itself is just fine at that resolution

[01:36:21]

AYarter:

I have no problems with any other windows, emu,lators, anything

[01:36:24]

AYarter:

Only mythtv

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wagnerrp:

no dvi port on the card?

[01:36:47]

AYarter:

Yup. And its a plasma without DVI

[01:37:15]

Lexridge:

and it doesnt have hdmi either?

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wagnerrp:

old plasmas didnt

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Lexridge:

oh, nm...without dvi on your computer hdmi would not work anyway doh

[01:38:33]

AYarter:

But, now its got the vertical resolution right

[01:38:36]

AYarter:

just not horizontal

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AYarter:

haha

[01:39:19]

AYarter:

It just keeps autodetecting the resolution. Bah

[01:40:26]

Lexridge:

ayarter, did it ever work right?

[01:41:58]

AYarter:

on the crt, yeah

[01:42:15]

AYarter:

when i manually set the res, it honors the vertical res, just not the horizontal

[01:53:20]

AYarter:

doh, totally got it now

[01:53:28]

AYarter:

#FORCE TV OUT was still on for the CRT

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AYarter:

haha

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

OK, let's see what tonight brings

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AYarter:

does anyone know of a utility like qjoypad that supports key combinations?

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AYarter:

ie, two buttons on the controller is like pressing a single keyboard key

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opij:

could someone please help me?

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Beirdo:

opij: you were already told the solution available in myth

[02:37:35]

opij:

Beirdo: I don't have the skills to use myth without someone helping me a lot and the solution you gave me was almost alpha.

[02:39:01]

Beirdo:

well, not sure what else you'd want then

[02:39:34]

opij:

someone recommended freevo

[02:39:52]

opij:

another boxee

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Beirdo:

well, if it isn't mythtv, you won't get significant, if any, help here.

[02:40:20]

wagnerrp:

freevo and boxee have nothing in common

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Beirdo:

this is a mythtv channel :)

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wagnerrp:

the have completely separate purposes

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wagnerrp:

there is no way those two applications could have been recommended for the same task

[02:41:18]

opij:

im sure there's a way

[02:41:18]

wagnerrp:

so the person recommending one or the other needs to be slapped

[02:41:51]

opij:

they same person didn't recommend both of them

[02:42:04]

wagnerrp:

correct, but one of them was horribly off base

[02:42:12]

opij:

which one?

[02:42:18]

wagnerrp:

what do you want to do?

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opij:

i'd like to be able to flip through streams like tv channels on my television

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Beirdo:

!url lmgtfy boxee freevo

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=boxee%20freevo

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wagnerrp:

for accessing internet content, freevo was completely the wrong thing to recommend

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opij:

ok

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opij:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

freevo is intended as a DVR software, much as mythtv

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opij:

boxee doesnt seem to be opensource so i dont like it

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opij:

wagnerrp: does myth tv allow you to do what I described?

[02:45:23]

wagnerrp:

through a plugin, yes

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opij:

but that plugin was described as unstable

[02:46:16]

wagnerrp:

do you want to record tv

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[R]:

of course boxee is opensource

[02:46:33]

opij:

no. i just want to watch it

[02:46:48]

wagnerrp:

if you do not intend to use a tuner card, mythtv is not for you

[02:46:52]

opij:

and maybe a tv guide *IF* possible

[02:47:07]

wagnerrp:

what good is a guide if youre not going to watch anything?

[02:47:20]

opij:

i'd like to be able to flip through streams like tv channels on my television

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wagnerrp:

internet content does not behave like television content

[02:47:53]

wagnerrp:

there arent many 'streams'

[02:47:57]

wagnerrp:

its all on demand content

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opij:

i disagree

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opij:

ive found many streams

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Beirdo:

oy!

[02:49:10]

Beirdo:

you've been told several times the solution via mythtv, please stop asking if you don't want the answer.

[02:49:29]

Beirdo:

OK, I need to chill :)

[02:49:32]

Beirdo:

sorry.

[02:49:34]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support internet streams as tuner inputs

[02:49:53]

wagnerrp:

mythtv supports IPTV in the specific form of RTP/RTSP streams as a tuner input

[02:50:23]

opij:

i thought mythtv was for output to the tv as well. sorry. i was mistaken.

[02:50:33]

wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv can output to a tv

[02:50:48]

wagnerrp:

as can boxee, freevo, and any of the dozens of other HTPC softwares

[02:51:05]

betolley:

I have setup my hauppauge 1600 card. The analog is setup and working. I have scanned using the digital side of the card. It found many unencrypted digital channels. I have renamed them to the proper channel in the names. Should I be able to enter the id# of the analog channels into the digital and have the shows showup for the channels? It is not currently working that way...SHould it?

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Beirdo:

I hope I wasn't too harsh.. it was like talkin to a brick wall.

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[R]:

betolley: "the id"?

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betolley:

channel id

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[R]:

to get listing data you need an xmltv id

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betolley:

That is what I am entering....I am entering the id for the xmltv id from the analog side of the card for the same channel.

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[R]:

and you need to run mythfilldatabase

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Beirdo:

complete gam win, Cliff Lee... he's makin a habit outta this

[02:55:01]

Beirdo:

game win

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Beirdo:

7–4 over the Yanks

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betolley:

I use mc2xml to make a xml file for card 1. Do I need to import the same file for the 2end source(digital source)? I tried that and it just imported the analog channels into the system.

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Beirdo:

we do not support mc2xml

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[R]:

wtf is mc2xml?

[02:57:21]

Beirdo:

a forbidden piece of software... due to TOS violation

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betolley:

creates and xmltv.xml file that can be imported with mythfilldatabase from the ms legacy media center servers.

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Beirdo:

betolley: if you are in North America, use schedulesdirect

[02:59:51]

Beirdo:

!url faq

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MythLogBot:

faq: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC

[03:00:39]

Beirdo:

read the section on TOS violations

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betolley:

<--Not asking about mc2xml was asking about adding data for digital data...Just wanted to know if I needed to mythfilldatabase for digital side or if it would read using the xmltv id from the analog side.....

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[R]:

betolley: i told you what you have to do... add the xmltvid and run mythfilldatabase

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betolley:

thnx R

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wagnerrp:

you do not want to use the xmltvids of the analog channels for the digital ones

[03:04:27]

wagnerrp:

they are not the same channel

[03:04:34]

wagnerrp:

their guide data will not match

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Beirdo:

if you were using schedulesdirect as you should be, this wouldn't be an issue.

[03:05:45]

betolley:

How so. Different channel numbers, same show, same call numbers.

[03:05:53]

wagnerrp:

different show

[03:06:12]

betolley:

I actually came from Windows 7 business with media center on the system.

[03:06:19]

betolley:

Playing with myth to see if I like it.

[03:06:36]

betolley:

I may go back...or try gbpvr.

[03:06:58]

wagnerrp:

microsoft's guide data is only licensed for use with windows media center, not for mythtv or gbpvr or any other xmltv user

[03:07:12]

wagnerrp:

doesnt matter if you have purchased windows or not

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betolley:

<--Does not want to pay until I see if i was to stay with mythtv.

[03:07:56]

Beirdo:

there is a 7-day trial period on SD

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Beirdo:

is that not long enough?

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wagnerrp:

after which... you could probably get another trial

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how they do identification for trials

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Beirdo:

or pay $20, which isn't THAT much money

[03:10:08]

Beirdo:

I dunno about you, but I go through more than that a week in coffee.

[03:10:27]

betolley:

<--Ready to change subject....So where does myth pull the backgrounds for the shows?

[03:10:38]

wagnerrp:

for recordings, it doesnt

[03:10:54]

wagnerrp:

certain themes support an image search in the filesystem for artwork

[03:11:05]

wagnerrp:

and JAMU exists to pull data for recorded shows externally

[03:11:20]

wagnerrp:

something which will be moved into an internal function in the future

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betolley:

? I recorded curious george from PBS for the kids. It has a really high res backround.

[03:11:39]

wagnerrp:

are you running mythbuntu?

[03:11:44]

betolley:

yea.

[03:11:55]

wagnerrp:

mythbuntu sets JAMU up as a cron job for you

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Beirdo:

that reminds me...

[03:12:14]

Beirdo:

should setup jamu again

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

RDV_Linux: BTW, thanks again for jamu :)

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Beirdo:

seems it needs fixing, BTW

[03:21:42]

Beirdo:

it is expecting DBSchemaVer 1254, and trunk is at 1259

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wagnerrp:

how about you install the trunk python bindings

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Beirdo:

how about I did

[03:22:06]

wagnerrp:

*hint* *hint*

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Beirdo:

:)

[03:22:12]

wagnerrp:

how about you didnt

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Beirdo:

when did it change? :)

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wagnerrp:

oh, couple months ago when the schema did

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Beirdo:

I'm maybe 4–5 days behind.

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wagnerrp:

1255 was before 0.23 was even released

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Beirdo:

I only checked trunk out a few days ago

[03:23:27]

Beirdo:

well, this is jamu.py as installed by trunk

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wagnerrp:

and the python bindings installed by 0.23

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Beirdo:

how the heck?!

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Beirdo:

fugh.

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wagnerrp:

did you install the 0.23 packages, and trunk source?

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Beirdo:

It musta been when I backported, but why didn't it do it

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Beirdo:

never

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Beirdo:

but I have 0.23-fixes tree checked out too

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv/bindings/python/

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wagnerrp:

and 'python setup.py uninstall' followed by 'python setup.py install'

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Beirdo:

K, let's see

[03:26:21]

Beirdo:

there it goes

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Beirdo:

how odd

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Beirdo:

I did a make distclean and make ; make install between

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Beirdo:

but that's good to know, thanks :)

[03:27:11]

Beirdo:

silly computers

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duanemoody:

sup

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duanemoody:

had problems with dual pvr-150 f/b mythbuntu, so I deleted and readded the tuner cards in the setup. Only problem now is the remote isn't working

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duanemoody:

still looking through forums

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Mipsalawishus:

argghh....

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Mipsalawishus:

anyone awake right now?

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wagnerrp:

!seen anyone

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MythLogBot:

anyone was last seen 1637 days 10 hours 55 minutes 26 seconds ago

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Mipsalawishus:

hahaha

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Mipsalawishus:

well, i'm having a newbie problem right now

[04:14:29]

Shadow__X:

Mipsalawishus: normally you ask your question and wait patiently to see if someone answers

[04:14:37]

Shadow__X:

but, i may be of some assistance

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Mipsalawishus:

how do i get mythtv to see the videos in the video directory that i point it to?

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Shadow__X:

you add it into the frontend

[04:15:14]

Mipsalawishus:

i've checked the path several times

[04:15:26]

Mipsalawishus:

but it still says that there's no files

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zzpat:

is that the same path on the frontend?

[04:15:37]

Mipsalawishus:

yea

[04:15:50]

wagnerrp:

actually, you add it to the backend

[04:15:54]

wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup

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Mipsalawishus:

i even checked the web backend

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wagnerrp:

storage group setup

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wagnerrp:

add the necessary folders to the Videos storage group

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wagnerrp:

and restart the backend

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Shadow__X:

whoops sorry about that

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wagnerrp:

note that you will have to go into the 'm' menu and hit 'scan for changes' before anything will show up

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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Mipsalawishus:

"m" when in the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

when in mythvideo

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Mipsalawishus:

okie – one sec, i'll try that

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Mipsalawishus:

sweet

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Mipsalawishus:

i must have tried every other key on my keyboard xcept that one

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Mipsalawishus:

lol....

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Mipsalawishus:

<--tard

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Mipsalawishus:

one other question i had is if i can queue up tv playback, like a channel playlist. i don't have a tuner installed right now to test, but that's something that would completely rock in my book. being able to queue up videos and channels for playback.

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wagnerrp:

videos and recordings, yes...

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Mipsalawishus:

but not tv?

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wagnerrp:

how would you queue livetv?

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Mipsalawishus:

what i had in mind was someway for it to change to another channel at a given time

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wagnerrp:

you can record at a given time

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Mipsalawishus:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

and then play it at your leisure

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Mipsalawishus:

i have a project that i'm needing to set something up that can switch channels at certain times, like switch to one channel for the news, and then to another for a tv show

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wagnerrp:

so manage that externally using the telnet socket

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket

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Mipsalawishus:

i was looking at that earlier and thought about doing what i'm needing through a cron job

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Mipsalawishus:

but didn't know if the telnet socket would let you affect the frontend, like in channel surfing

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Mipsalawishus:

sorry if i'm a complete newb and throwing some weird ideas around

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wagnerrp:

see the 'play' functions

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Mipsalawishus:

oh damn – how did i miss that?

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Mipsalawishus:

too many tabs open earlier i guess

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Mipsalawishus:

this will work perfect

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Mipsalawishus:

scripting this to work right might be a chore though

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wagnerrp:

not much demand for scheduled livetv sessions

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Mipsalawishus:

yea – lol

[04:34:33]

Mipsalawishus:

i know, after looking everywhere i started to give up hope

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Mipsalawishus:

but the telnet socket will work perfect for what i need

[04:35:59]

Mipsalawishus:

a few cron jobs with the right scripts will get this project working perfect

[04:39:25]

Mipsalawishus:

i have to setup a couple of big screen tvs in different parts of a building for employees to watch when on break, but also to play some HR powerpoints that will be converted to mpegs and also anything else that comes up fro mtime to time. our HR dept is not tech savvy nor would they want to be changing the channel every few hours.

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wagnerrp:

so they will be recordings?

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Mipsalawishus:

just the occasional video

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Mipsalawishus:

but most of the time live tv

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Mipsalawishus:

the mythweather would be good to jump to from time to time as well

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Mipsalawishus:

i'll play around with the telnet socket and get a good feel for how well it will work.

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duanemoody:

what's the first thing I need to check on an IR that isn't working on a PVR-150 (besides unplugging and replugging it)?

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I have tracked down WHY my weather maps don't update on the screen even though a new one's been downloaded

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Beirdo:

now to determine the correct way to fix it ;)

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Beirdo:

gotta wait 15min to see if this fix worked

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wagnerrp:

cant manually flush it?

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Beirdo:

the problem is...

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Beirdo:

when newData is signalled, if the screen is prepared already, it won't re-prepare teh screen

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Beirdo:

which is fine for text, as it overwrites the text

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Beirdo:

but it doesn't img->Load() again

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Beirdo:

sooo...

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Beirdo:

for now I'm testing it always re-preparing the screen on reload

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Beirdo:

err... on newData

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Beirdo:

make sense? :)

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Beirdo:

it took me a while to trace down the MythUI-ness

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Beirdo:

as it was doing a GetChild, and I couldn't find where it ever created the child... it's in the theme XML load... of course :)

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Beirdo:

maybe I shouldn't be singing this song... ranting and raving and carrying on... maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong.... Naaaaahh. I'm an <BLEEEP>!

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wagnerrp:

i never understood why on tv, they bleep 'hole'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, seriously

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Beirdo:

OK, that did not work

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Beirdo:

BUT I found another bug

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oooh, mythweather, you annoying pile of junk

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Beirdo:

Denis Leary is so funny at times

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Beirdo:

and now... I wait another 15min

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Beirdo:

oh BLARGH

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Beirdo:

I see the source of THAT bug

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Beirdo:

now how to accomplish THIS? :)

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Beirdo:

It's not easy being cheesy...

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Beirdo:

OK, bugs averted

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Beirdo:

new bug created

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the images now update... BUT...

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Beirdo:

the screen that's currently being displayed... gets hosed

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Beirdo:

that's a paddlin

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zoran119:

can anyone shed some light on the following error

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zoran119:

Tried to write myth://Coverart@192.168.1.8:6543/0076276_coverart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 178). 1

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Beirdo:

oh fun... QImageReader can do animated GIF, it seems

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you up?

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Beirdo:

heh. oh wait, it's 4am there

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justinh:

Beirdo: you might be able to read animated gif with Qt but displaying it will probably have to mean pulling each frame out to individual images

[07:53:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, it means a change to libmythui to allow it

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Beirdo:

unless I wanna hack it locally, which I don't really wanna do

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justinh:

you could have used qt for the whole lot but for the fact there's more than one painter

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Beirdo:

QImageLoader will load up animated images, and is able to sequence through them

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zoran119:

no one knows?

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Beirdo:

butI don't want to hack it in, I'd like it added into libmythui

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Beirdo:

no one knows what?

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justinh:

Beirdo: do you know about the flipbook animation class?

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Beirdo:

nope

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justinh:

Beirdo: well, it takes a sequence of images (sequentially named files) & displays them in order

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Beirdo:

I don't want that :)

[07:56:42]

Beirdo:

I want a single animated GIF being deconstructed

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jya:

gizmobay: re: ticket #8267 ... I closed the ticket because that whole part of the ALSA code code completely rewritten. The patch attached wasn't used and it wasn't relevant with the new code...

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zoran119:

Beirdo: the solution to the following error

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zoran119:

Tried to write myth://Coverart@192.168.1.8:6543/0076276_coverart.jpg, but it appears to be an HTML redirect (filesize 178). 1

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Beirdo:

the current code already does the equivalent of that

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Beirdo:

zoran119: no cluew

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justinh:

zoran119: that's more likely a problem with the artwork service you're using

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Beirdo:

justinh: the problem I have is that it seems I can NOT get individual previous frames from wunderground

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zoran119:

justinh: it's just tmdb.pl

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Beirdo:

which sucks

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justinh:

ach

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Beirdo:

and I don't want to use perlmagick

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zoran119:

justinh: stock... no changes to it

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Beirdo:

that's a monster of a new dependency

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justinh:

Beirdo: maybe a new class to split the image

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I could do that.

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justinh:

zoran119: so tmdb are moving stuff around

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justinh:

Beirdo: then pop the images into a form like the flipbook animation class does & use that for display

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Beirdo:

we'll see if gbee is up for adding support in MythUIImage first

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justinh:

six & 2 threes I think ;)

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zoran119:

justinh: maybe i can hack the script to follow redirects...

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Beirdo:

if not, I can make mythweather do it as a "processData" step

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justinh:

zoran119: maybe you should get onto tmdb & get them to sort out their API

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zoran119:

justinh: that sounds scary

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justinh:

zoran119: our scripts follow tvdb & tmdb APIs – if stuff is broken that's *their* fault

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justinh:

one of the APIs changed recently if I remember right – meaning 0.21 & 0.22 won't work anymore

[08:02:03]

justinh:

so if you're not already using mythtv 0.23 that'll be why

[08:02:20]

justinh:

and no, you can't use the scripts from 0.23 with anything older

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zoran119:

justinh: that sounds like fun

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justinh:

well it depends which version you're running

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benny_:

Hello! yesterday I tested r25198, and I got some really interesting audio effects when turning on up-mixer to 5.1

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justinh:

trunk?

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benny_:

like DVB channels transmit only 2-channel audio, the up-mix convert the sound to just a lot of noise

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justinh:

crap in, junk out

[08:06:01]

justinh:

so which version are you actually using?

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justinh:

0.23-fixes or trunk?

[08:06:16]

justinh:

that revision number means nothing

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benny_:

for DVB channels that transmit more then 2-channel audio (Dolby Digital) it works OK.

[08:06:42]

benny_:

I'm using 0-24-trunk

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justinh:

there is no 0.24

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benny_:

well, trunk-25198

[08:07:26]

justinh:

so file a bug

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benny_:

MythBuntu names it 0.24.0~trunk25198–0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1

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justinh:

mythbuntu is wrong :)

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justinh:

they keep doing that, saying "muh, we've gotta call it something"

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benny_:

well, sorry – that's I called it 0.24 :$

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justinh:

my solution would be to not try to upmix 2 channel audio, because it's pointless :)

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benny_:

Ok – I can fill in a bug

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justinh:

include the output of -v audio in the ticket

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benny_:

well, the problem is that if I uncheck the upmix

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benny_:

all channels got 2-channel audio

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benny_:

even the channels that transmit in 5.1

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justinh:

for that I'd just use passthru :)

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benny_:

well, how do I enable just raw passthru in MythTV now ?

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benny_:

a lot of things has changed in the audio engine

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benny_:

i don't find a way to just enable passthru ...

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justinh:

have you tried reading the docs?

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justinh:

or the wiki?

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benny_:

sure I have,

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benny_:

if not anything have changed in the docs last week

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benny_:

... the point is, I can live without the upmix – it's even better

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benny_:

but plz, dont "downmix" the 5.1 to 2-channel audio

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benny_:

I was not like that in previous trunk revisions

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benny_:

I think, I have almost test them all

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justinh:

I don't think I had to change my audio settings. stereo audio goes out over the soundcard analogue.. and anything surround gets passed through

[08:14:07]

justinh:

if you want everything passed through I think all you have to do is set the output device to whatever the SPDIF on your soundcard is called

[08:14:13]

justinh:

aplay -L to find that out

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benny_:

my audio device is set to ALSA:iec958

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benny_:

I have only a digital connection from computer to receiver

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justinh:

I think you need to set the speaker setup to 5.1 in mythfrontend

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benny_:

the speaker setup is set to 5.1, and "DTS" and "Dolby Digital" checkboxes are set

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justinh:

anyway maybe the weird sound is a bug with upmixing.. I dunno much about the new audio setup stuff myself

[08:16:25]

justinh:

time to get ready.. it's a long drive to the beach

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benny_:

well, here in Gothenburg

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benny_:

it's raining,

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benny_:

like usual ...

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benny_:

I'll fill a ticket in track

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Beirdo:

jya: sounds like you have a bug coming your way :)

[08:24:27]

jya:

it does :)

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Beirdo:

fun times, eh?

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jya:

justinh: why would it be pointless to upmix 2 channels audio ? there are plenty of stations actually sending pro-logic matrixed audio ... the upmixer works brilliantly on those

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jya:

benny_: what do you mean enable just passthru ?

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Beirdo:

wow, we're keeping ohloh busy lately. many commits.

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jya:

BTW, I don't think mythbuntu is wrong in calling it 0.24~trunk ; that's what the ~ means ; pre-0.24... then you get + when it's branched but not officially released, and then – when it's official... good way to numbering thing if you ask me

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benny_:

well, I've created ticket #8627 – trying to explain my experience

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benny_:

I agree, why would upmix be pointless ?

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jya:

Personally, I also like that audio that is identical in left and right channel go to the center channel, make it much easier to follow dialogues

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Beirdo:

I think calling it 0.24 anything is dumb. It confuses things.

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Beirdo:

0.24 isn't due for what, at least another month?

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jya:

why? it will be 0.24 at some stage. so pre-0.24 (which is what the ~ stands for)

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jya:

just like freebsd

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jya:

the day the FreeBSD 8 branch became official

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jya:

everything trunk became FreeBSD 9

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Beirdo:

well, then we'll let you explain to many many users that 0.24 doesn't exist

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jya:

but you know then they are referring to trunk

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Beirdo:

they should use a better scheme that doesn't use an invalid version number

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benny_:

well., whatever blame the MythBuntu – they call it 0.24

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jya:

benny_: don't use Fastest

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Beirdo:

for all they know, we may choose the next version to be 1.0

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Beirdo:

we won't, but how do they know that immediately after 0.23 is released?

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jya:

use best

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benny_:

jya: why not? – Ok i'll try other setting when I'm back from work

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jya:

benny_: because I know what's behind the code :)

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jya:

you won't get anything interesting with fastest, and best, isn't that much slower.. all it does is introduce a very slight audio delay

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benny_:

jya: well, if the code is that bad,. remove it, or lets' try fix it :)

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jya:

the default is best for a reason...

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Beirdo:

that'd be crazy talk :)

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benny_:

I don't know but got the feeling that "Fastest" was the default option

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jya:

fast has some use ... but it can sounds crap depending on the content

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jya:

benny_: if the source audio is 5.1 , then having upmix checked or not make no difference

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jya:

it won't downmix to stereo

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jya:

if when you uncheck upmixer , you always get stereo, the reason is that the source was stereo, plain and simple

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Beirdo:

ccache is my friend :)

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Beirdo:

especially when running trunk

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MaverickTech:

Hi there

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MaverickTech:

I have a MythVideo in MythWeb question, if anyone can help

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MaverickTech:

since upgrading to 23 (using MythVideo storage groups), the URL's in MythWeb for Video's are malformed...

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MaverickTech:

e.g. >> http://x.x.x.x/mythwebx/video?path=%2FSeries% . . . ticaSeason+4

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MaverickTech:

at the end of the URL, 'GalacticaSeason+4' should be 'Galactica%2FSeason+4'

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MaverickTech:

seems to only affect directories nested more than 2 deep

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bsdosxdev:

A message from BIKCMP: Can anyone tell me how many times these high and mighty evolution scientists have already backpedalled and changed their version of the truth to fit some new finding? I've already lost the count... pathetic, really.

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AmigaX86computer:

A message from BIKCMP: Can anyone tell me how many times these high and mighty evolution scientists have already backpedalled and changed their version of the truth to fit some new finding? I've already lost the count... pathetic, really.

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sunosCode:

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HubBicycle:

A message from BIKCMP: Im in the middle east. Middle eastern people may have dark skin like a grl.......face it bitch...ur a motherfuckin dick suckin man hoe!!!!!!!!!.........ur a faget ass punk pussy lil girl......ur da gayest person ever........go to hell bitch!!!!

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plan9ObamaNeuro:

A message from BIKCMP: I wish that i was Vegeta from dragonball z. Once while stoned i tried to do a kamehameha and im sure my hands got hot. Im planning on picking a fight and while the adrenaline is flowing, im going to turn super saiyan and punish my opposition. Goku is stronger but Vegeta is cooler, im 38 with two kids.... my kids are weaklings, my wife left me and i like the way womans shoes make my calves look.

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PhpterrySco:

A message from BIKCMP: I am the world's foremost expert on sticking people's treasured items into my urethra. I have 'gauged' it to the point where I can almost wedge a piece of celery in there, though no one treasures celery. If anyone can beat this, I'd like to suck their dick!

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tabmow_Bell:

A message from BIKCMP: My Band, although composed of 2 flute players, and almost soothing at times, is comparable to the sound of Kenny G, but our music holds messages of hate, genocide, and anal sex. We played the title track off our album, "Hitler was the World's True Leader", which talks about killing Jews and acheiving Nazi ideological clarity.

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Mquin_Sparchub:

A message from BIKCMP: Ah yes, the Nazi's come to play. Wonderful, the only thing more ignorant than a homophobe is a racist. Well god help you my brother, because if your Hitler youth ass ever steps foot in GA, I will find you myself.

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Sposato_obama_Nu:

A message from BIKCMP: Your hands are filthy, covered in vast amounts of fungi, bacteria, and viruses. Underneath your fingernails is even worse. Also, the stove is on.

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Gnuguinea:

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wagnerrp:

my stove is on? uh oh

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caelor:

sphery: a quick follow up on my issue yesterday – it's looking promising (putting the SBE on the same switch as the MBE, rather than through multiple). Several recordings today, and no deadlocks.

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caelor:

I do however still have aborted connections logged by mysql whenever the SBE goes to sleep, and some reported by localhost, but they don't seem to cause deadlocks. I'm guessing there's some connection being closed cleanly somewhere.

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sphery:

caelor: Great. I hope it continues to work.

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caelor:

thanks, me too.

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sphery:

for the aborted connections when the SBE goes to sleep, you can have your sleep script shut down the backend before sleeping and start it after sleeping

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sphery:

or you can use the new automatic remote backend shutdown features in 0.23-fixes and above (to have your master backend tell your remote backend to sleep and wake when required)

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caelor:

yes, I'll look into that. It's probably a config issue. I'm just happy to have it working!

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caelor:

that's what I'm using

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sphery:

oh, but you're having it sleep instead of shut down?

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caelor:

but IIRC, the shutdown command may not trigger all init scripts to go down.

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sphery:

if so, you should just need to modify the scripts

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caelor:

nope, shut down, wake on lan

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caelor:

by "sleep", i was being guided by the messages in the backend log ("GO TO SLEEP")

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caelor:

that's likely to be another issue, and one I should be able to look into offline rather than using up your valuable time. Thanks again for all your help.

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sphery:

hmmm... maybe killing the backend doesn't cleanly close the connections... since the only way to close the backend is killing it, ...

[14:45:25]

sphery:

I've been considering putting an approach in that allows calling a shutdown command for the backend

[14:45:50]

sphery:

anyway, glad it's working for you

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sphery:

thanks for mention of the abandoned connections

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caelor:

yes. But that's starting to venture into the realms of "feature request", given it works fine for now, and there's the possibility of embedded mysql on the horizon, it may not be worth following.

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caelor:

no problem, it's a small thing to give back to a project I've found very useful for quite a few years now!

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sphery:

heh, yeah, from that standpoint, my time may be better served just doing the embedded MySQL that I keep saying I'm going to do. :)

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wagnerrp:

so... woman lets child run around the neighborhood naked, google streetview car drives by, woman gets on soap box proclaiming how evil google is for photographing her child naked

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caelor:

yeah. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that the backend protocol may require significant extending as part of that, and hence also border on the other milestone of addressing that.

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sphery:

caelor: Yeah, I'm looking at using Google's protobuf for the data-access protocol. Once that's in, it's quite likely the backend protocol would be switched to protobuf, too. Meets our requirements for lightweight, fast, and "standard".

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caelor:

hmm protobuf had somehow slipped past my radar, but a quick look is impressive. It looks also like it would make adding language bindings more trivial too.

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sphery:

haven't looked into that aspect of it

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sphery:

some of the other guys in here recommended protobuf to me--I agree, though, it's impressive

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: youre the resident baseball expert, why is this a double and not a foul ball... http://deadspin.com/5576040/

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caelor:

yeah, that shouldn't be an objective, but may be a pleasant side-effect.

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caelor:

I shall continue to listen in on -commits and -dev with interest! It's nice to see the pace of development.

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jams:

wagnerrp- it landed fair then bounced out of play. it's a quirk of baseball rules

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sphery:

caelor: Oh, I see you mean computer-language bindings... I was thinking translations/i18n/L10n stuff... So, yeah, that would be a nice benefit to using protobuf. And it supports Python (for Python bindings) and there are 3rd-party libs for Perl (for Perl bindings) and PHP (for MythWeb), so the must-haves are covered. But all the additional languages would also be nice building blocks for additional bindings.

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sphery:

jams: My Fair Landing... :)

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caelor:

sphery: sorry, I hadn't spotted the ambiguity in my statement, yes I meant computer-language bindings. That might go a way towards addressing the concern raised in the recent dev thread about embedding the DB, and access to external scripts.

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sphery:

actually, had I been more in the computer mindset, I'm sure I would have understood. I'm just thinking about other stuff, now.

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caelor:

that's fine. :) I should probably stop distracting you (I'm guessing it's working hours in your timezone).

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wagnerrp:

never stopped us before

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sphery:

heh, true--this is more interesting than work

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wagnerrp:

'HDBaseT'?

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wagnerrp:

why couldnt they just use 10GBaseT

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sphery:

is that really meant to be "high definition"?

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sphery:

if so, that's taking it way too far

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sphery:

"HD Radio" was bad enough

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wagnerrp:

unidirectional 8Gbps for video, plus 100BaseT

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sphery:

oh... so some weird mutt.

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wagnerrp:

so its actually far far short of 10GBaseT

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justinh:

jya: okay yeah maybe prologic – but straight stereo.. I've heard my receiver attempt to make surround out of stereo & it's awful

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wagnerrp:

mine causes funky volume oscillations

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justinh:

can't believe this. a friend of mine has just suggested I tell Amazon my camcorder never arrived. They'll apparently just send another one out. Had no idea he was so immoral

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xand:

don't you have to sign for delivery?

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justinh:

nope

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xand:

o.O

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justinh:

and never had to sign when it arrived the other day

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justinh:

they shouldn't use 'first class post' for items worth that amount of money

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xand:

indeed

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justinh:

then again I'm not sure that shipping method is any less secure than the useless couriers over here

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justinh:

Citylink et al

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Dassu:

Is internal mythtv player able to play embedded mkv subtitles?

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justinh:

when my HT receiver was delivered they left a card, so I rang the depot who suggested they could redeliver the next day and leave it outside. oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

bitmapped subs, yes

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betolley:

My comcast has started converting over to digital byt has not completed yet. If i choose the digital cable feed in schedules direct it does not link the channels to the digital frequencies how do i do this?

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wagnerrp:

mouse over the channel on the schedules direct page to pop up the xmltvid

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wagnerrp:

then go into the channel editor and set the xmltvid for that channel

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Shadow__X:

is grabbing meta data in mythtv .23-fixes using storage groups in a os x frontend supported?

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Shadow__X:

also am i correct in thinking that if using storage groups i do not need to manually define the video directories in the frontend. I switched from locally mounted to storage groups and priviously had them manullay entered since then i have removed them and left them blank

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i dont know why it wouldnt be

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wagnerrp:

should work fine, as long as you have the python pre-reqs

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: oh ok how do i check if i do

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wagnerrp:

try running the grabber manually

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Shadow__X:

in mythvideo?

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Shadow__X:

on my be/fe metadata images come up but on my fe only the informatation is shown no images

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wagnerrp:

the images should be pulled from the backend if you are actually using storage groups

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i know i setup the storage groups in the be

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Shadow__X:

uh i fear i am being dense

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ecc:

anyone using a sony bd/ps3 remote with mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm... how long has the mythweb recorded page had 'paging' support??? ;-) (now to figure out how to enable it!)

[19:25:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

found it! ;-)

[19:27:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

That's much better... recorded page set at 100/page loads in just a few seconds now instead of 20–30 seconds... (1524 recordings!) ;-)

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wagnerrp:

it has paging?

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wagnerrp:

are you using 0.23 or trunk?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep... ;-) 0.23-fixes

[19:29:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Go to the Settings – TV – "My Session" "Page recorded programs: " – I just set it to 100... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

so it does

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wagnerrp:

well trunk will drop the render time of those 1500 recordings to a couple seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

I found it had paging support while looking at the source code to possibly implement an ajax loader for the preview images to speed up the page load..

[19:31:01]

wagnerrp:

(the second time you open it)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Will it ? Cool. ;-)

[19:31:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, a lot of time time spent is actually mythweb processing the data in the background

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, it caches that processed data

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wagnerrp:

so in subsequent runs, it can just dump it straight to the browser

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wagnerrp:

an ajax pager would be nice though

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wagnerrp:

one that auto-loads the next page and appends it when you get near the bottom

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, the way I was looking to implement it was to initially load the preview images with an image such as 'preview-loading.gif', and set an ID for each image, then swap them with the 'real' preview image after the rest of the page loads...

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wagnerrp:

the browser through be threading that loading on its own

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: an Ajax pager would be cool too.... ;-) I need to learn more Ajax to accomplish that. ;-)

[19:36:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but depending on the browser, it's trying to download 1,500 preview images at the same time that it's rendering the HTML, which can be horribly slow...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: One thing I experimented with a couple of years ago was to change all the image paths to 'relative' paths instead of absolute, and that sped up the loading too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ... by an order of magnitude...

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Shadow__X:

so i dont know if this is expected behavior but i see an image for one movie and i see a good amount of network utilization around 3MB/sec consistenty and lsof shows that mythbackend has images opened does this create a cache?

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Shadow__X:

i am still only seeing one image even after letting it finish

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J-e-f-f-A:

well that's stupid... Google Chrome browser – select "View Source", and it pulls a new instance of the web page, instead of showing you the source for the already loaded page!

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Shadow__X:

heh nice

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: just tried it here and it gives the desired result

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Oh, it gives me the source of that URL, but it pulls it again instead of showing you the source it rendered the page from.

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Shadow__X:

hmm not here

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: ie: pull up the 'Recorded Programs" page of mythweb. Then do a 'view source' on it 1 minute later. You'll notice the time on the 2nd one is different...

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Shadow__X:

oh ok i gotcha now i am understanding

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: IE: I hade the page up from 3:50pm, did a 'view source' on it at 3:55, and the source showed me a page rendered at 3:55...

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Shadow__X:

right

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J-e-f-f-A:

dumb...

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: firefox does that sometimes too, its not just a chrome problem

[20:02:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

(not you, google...)

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kormoc:

Once a preview image is generated, it sits on the backend for use later, so it's never re-generated

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kormoc:

and we set the cache to be aggressively cachy, so it shouldn't even hit the network on a second load

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Shadow__X:

what is dumb is the fact i cant get my os x fe to pull images through storage groups

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: oh ok if thats towards me

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kormoc:

and it's not getting all the images at a single time

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kormoc:

only 2 to 4 threads can hit a server at the same time, 1 is for the main page, so it should only pull 1 to 3 images at a time

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Shadow__X:

i am just not seeing what i am doing wrong

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so with that in mind, I don't know how ajax loading the images would speed it up

[20:08:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: by delaying the image 'pulls' until the page itself had downloaded fully – that's what I was thinking anyways...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, that won't speed it up at all, the page rendering isn't held up by the lack of images

[20:08:46]

kormoc:

(as it'll render beyond where the images are loaded)

[20:10:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Well, yeah, but the downloading of the images in 'parallel' with the downloading of the rendered HTML page slows down the html download.

[20:10:25]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it shouldn't at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: For example, if I change the preview image to a 'static' image, such as 'loading.jpg', the page loads in a couple of seconds.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: If I turn on the preview images, it takes about 15–20 seconds.

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kormoc:

how much of that time is just image downloads?

[20:11:31]

kormoc:

if all you're talking about is purely to get the little load animation to stop sooner, sure

[20:11:38]

kormoc:

but end to end time shouldn't actually change

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: most of it... but the page doesn't render anywhere near as fast when the images are loaded in 'parallel'.

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kormoc:

it makes no difference for me

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kormoc:

are you running faster fox or similar?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: It would probably take the same amount of time overall to display all the images, but the percieved page load time would be faster.

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kormoc:

What template are you using for these tests?

[20:12:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: No – plain Firefox, and tested with Chome and IE on wintel too.

[20:13:10]

kormoc:

I wonder if we don't have height/width set on the images

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J-e-f-f-A:

default – and currenly I'm on 0.23-fixes – I hear there's caching improvements in trunk.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: in 0.23-fixes, the icons (autoexpire,cc,stereo,hd, etc) don't have height/width set, but the preview images do.

[20:19:13]

kormoc:

yeah, there shouldn't be any rendering holdups at all then

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kormoc:

as the image being there or not doesn't affect the box model if we know it's height/width already

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Is the php code pulling the thumbnail image right from disk if it's available, or is it always calling the backend to provide it?

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kormoc:

it's always calling the backend, which pulls it directly from disk if it's already generated

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J-e-f-f-A:

how 'expensive' is that?

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kormoc:

in my tests, extremely light

[20:25:22]

wagnerrp:

are you pulling over mythxml or mythproto?

[20:26:20]

kormoc:

mythproto

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wagnerrp:

so that would be QUERY_GENPIXMAP?

[20:27:26]

kormoc:

yes

[20:29:01]

Zathras:

Hi. I have a failed recording which shows in "recordings" in MythTV-frontend although I removed it through MythWeb. In Mythweb it no longer shows. What can be the issue/how can I tackle this please?

[20:29:26]

Zathras:

*shows as in is listed. Not that it can be viewed

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: would it 'add up' when 1500 are requested?

[20:33:35]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, http requests add up with that many

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kormoc:

20 milliseconds is 30 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Humm.. yeah...

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kormoc:

thing is, rendering shouldn't be held up

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kormoc:

I bet you're output buffering or something

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Shadow__X:

so i have storage groups setup. on my fe it pulls up the appriopriate video folders but they still do not display the appropriate images even though it works on the fe/be

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, I have no idea what Firefox/Chrome/IE's algorithms are for what they chose to display/render...

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: GENPIXMAP doesnt actually send you file image does it? it just generates the image, and then you manually pull the video off the filesystem?

[20:36:45]

wagnerrp:

s/video/image/

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: My though is that by controlling the image loading with ajax, it's much more 'predictable'...

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Zathras:

this failed recording is actually in the DB. Is there a cleaner/consistency script?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Because the html page renders in just a few seconds without the preview images, or a single 'static' preview image. – so the percieved page load time would be much faster, with the 'replacement' of the preview images taking 20–30 seconds 'in the background'... ;-)

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, thing is, it shouldn't matter at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Well, yeah, in a perfect world. ;-)

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kormoc:

for me the page renders in under 5 seconds with 800 recordings and then it takes another 20 seconds to load the images

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kormoc:

that's expected behavior and I fail to see why you would see differently

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I donno, I'd have to read the code

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wagnerrp:

that something xris put together?

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kormoc:

I've reworked it a few times, but he did the first, aye

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wagnerrp:

was just trying to reproduce it in the python bindings, so i could time it

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Shadow__X:

on my os x fe when i hit w in mythvideo it says video data query failed

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: seems you actually are pulling the preview over mythxml

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: On Chrome, the page starts to render after 5 seconds, and for the next 53 seconds is rendering in parallel with preview image downloads...

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wagnerrp:

looks like 10–20ms per image across that

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cipher42:

is there a frontend to watch video from mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythweb can provide access to videos and recordings

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I certainly don't see that

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** kormoc ponders **

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: On Firefox locally, it took 40 seconds to render and display the preview images, it didn't render the html first. (I'm not trying to be an arse or be critical btw... please don't take it that way)

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cipher42:

but can you actually watch the video's in your browser?

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kormoc:

that really sounds like it's being buffered

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cipher42:

on the wiki it only talks of managing the recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

Chrome actually seems to give preference to rendering the HTML page.

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wagnerrp:

no, it only provides access to the files, the flash player does not work on mythvideo content

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Shadow__X:

i am having trouble with storage groups and am not understanding what is going on. The video folders come up as expected in mythvideo but the images do not. information such as director and actor is present.

[21:04:13]

Shadow__X:

within mythvideo if i go to edit metadata i can the coverart and fanart jpeg

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: The artwork support depends on the theme implementing it – is it possible you're using a theme that doesn't support it?

[21:05:19]

Shadow__X:

archlight

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J-e-f-f-A:

well, that should work I would think!

[21:05:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

permissions? I dunno... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

777

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cipher42:

how does mythweb know i am using a mobile device?

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cipher42:

different skin on my phone

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: your browser identifies itself as such.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: there's a 'reset template' link on the bottom of the main page – try selecting that if you've switched it to a 'desktop' identification.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: The setting is cached for each logon id (assuming you setup security for mythweb...)

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cipher42:

i did, but it never asked me for credentials

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: then it's not setup right... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: It should prompt you with "This page requires authentication"...

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cipher42:

how would i get the mobile skin back?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: if it pops you right in to mythweb, then the authentication mechanism isn't properly configured. (Or you've already logged in once)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: switch your mobile browser back to identify itself as a mobile device. And once you've setup authentication properly, ceate one id for your mobile device, and another for remote access from a pc.

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cipher42:

how do i identify it as mobile?

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cipher42:

in mythweb config?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: What did you do on your phone to make it appear as a 'desktop' browser?

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cipher42:

reset the template

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, well, then probably disconnect, then re-connect, but don't reset the template this time?

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cipher42:

yea, tried that..

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J-e-f-f-A:

That link was put there because if you accessed the page from a computer after accessing it from your phone, it would be 'stuck' in wap (mobile) mode.

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cipher42:

wait i see it

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: In that case, I'm not sure – the mythweb gurus would though... ;-)

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cipher42:

oh right, thanks

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EvilGuru:

Is there still a huge difference i bit-rate between freeview and freesat SD?

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tim:

i have a question: i compiled mythtv rev 25225 on windows – now everything is fine on my pentium pc .. but i cant use it on my amd pc .. what do i have to do to compile it more generic?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: any ideas why my images arent working?

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: check your frontend logs

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wagnerrp:

tim: chances are you compiled it with some specific '--march' that is preventing it from running on anything other than that one specific architecture

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wagnerrp:

perhaps some SSE2/SSSE optimizations

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the compile script took care of all the runtime dependencies on your one machine, but you are missing something on the other machines

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: thnanks by any chance do you know where the os x logs are

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wagnerrp:

no clue

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wagnerrp:

depends on the command line you used to run it

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tim:

win32-packager.pl is writen something about ./configure (...) --cpu=pentium (...), should i delete this?

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wagnerrp:

!seen xebozone

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MythLogBot:

xebozone has not been seen here

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Shadow__X:

6/30/10 6:12:10 PM[0x0–0x30e30e].net.psychosis.MythFrontend[6403]2010-06–30 18:12:10.918 Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Fanart@192.168.0.8:6543/19913_fanart.jpg

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Shadow__X:

does that mean the images wont scale correctly

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Shadow__X:

?

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sphery:

pretty sure it means the image won't load, so it can't scale, either

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wagnerrp:

that movie has a plot keyword 'sommer'

[22:17:00]

wagnerrp:

someone needs to be shot over that

[22:17:30]

kormoc:

it's a sommer romance movie?

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sphery:

when it comes to plots on TMDb, sommer good and some aint

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wagnerrp:

... apparently that someone is german

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Shadow__X:

heh

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kormoc:

DOS ET GOOTEN!

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sphery:

So today's lesson: computers like dust

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wagnerrp:

silly europeans, movie keywords are for english users

[22:18:35]

wagnerrp:

the non-english language sections havent been implemented yet

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sphery:

Corollary to today's lesson: if you blow the dust out of a computer and you smell something cooking after turning it back on--and you're not cooking--it's a good time to shut down the computer

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Shadow__X:

agreed

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kormoc:

mai datas

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Shadow__X:

but what do i do to fix the fact non of my images are loading

[22:19:31]

sphery:

fix your SG configuration

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sphery:

probably?

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wagnerrp:

addendum c: computers dont like snakes... http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-snake-pc2.htm

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

when that snake wakes up...

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Shadow__X:

sphery: how do i know whats wrong with it i have looked at logs and didnt see anything

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wagnerrp:

does that file exist in the Fanart storage group folder on machine 192.168.0.8?

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** sphery is glad that wagnerrp rescued him **

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sphery:

(I don't know how to go about diagnosing the issue)

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** sphery goes back to looking for a replacement motherboard **

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Shadow__X:

yes it does

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sphery:

and which machine is requesting it? same or different?

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Shadow__X:

different, the fe/be works with the images. every other fe doesnt

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sphery:

and 0.8 is running the backend?

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sphery:

and the user running mythbackend has permissions to the file and every directory leading up to it

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Shadow__X:

0.8 is the backend yes and i believe so but i will double check

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sphery:

make sure you check the backend logs for errors, too

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sphery:

(and the frontend logs--both, really)

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Shadow__X:

yeah this error cant help sg(videos) want to use my movie dir but this directory is not writeable

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Shadow__X:

how do i give just that user write permissions

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Beirdo:

man chmod (assuming you aren't on 'doze)

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Beirdo:

and chown if necessary

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: nope not on windows and i would rather just add it to the group

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Shadow__X:

i already have permissions the way i like it

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Beirdo:

you still need to use chmod to give permissions

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Shadow__X:

really? even if everything is for example 774? and i were to add it to the group

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Shadow__X:

wouldnt the permissions be inherited

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Beirdo:

774... is using chmod

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Beirdo:

and 0774.

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Beirdo:

:)

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Shadow__X:

those are already set

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Beirdo:

and the user's in the group owning the dir?

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Beirdo:

after adding them, you have to log out and back in for it to be effective

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Beirdo:

i.e. probably have to restart the backend or whatever after logging back in

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Beirdo:

id -a

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Beirdo:

tis your friend

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: yup

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clever_:

.

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: i added mythtv to the appropriate user group as a secoundary group

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Shadow__X:

and i am still getting the error on the frontend

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Beirdo:

did you stop the backend, log out, relogin, restart the backend?

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Beirdo:

and if the same machine is doing the frontend, probably can't hurt to bounce it too

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Shadow__X:

Beirdo: i logged out but since i upgraded the nvidia driver i rebooted

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Beirdo:

heh, well that would certainly restart things

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Shadow__X:

yes

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Beirdo:

dunno right now

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Beirdo:

gotta go anyways

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Shadow__X:

ok well thank you for the help

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Beirdo:

good luck

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Shadow__X:

thanks seems like i need it :)

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psm321:

hi everyone

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psm321:

what is the current "state of the art" with u-verse? is there anything beyond ir blaster and record the output from the box?

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Rebecca:

hey peoples

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Rebecca:

so, my myth frontend is going well.. and it's time for me to build a backend based on an ATHLON II X2 235e/ 2.70Ghz/ 2M/ AM3/ 45W CPU

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Rebecca:

would that be sufficient to do HDTV commercial detection in a timely manner?

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Shadow__X:

well i know why i keep getting issues with storage groups and metadata

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Shadow__X:

the build of fe that i am running cant view .jpg

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Shadow__X:

on os x

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