Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, June 28th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

bouncing bucket o' bolts

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Is that winblows box running McAfee?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

it used to though

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Beirdo:

I purged it of that crap

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok... ;-) on my work peecee, mcafee discards incoming pings...

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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Beirdo:

who knows, maybe it left crap-lings behind

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Beirdo:

wish my TV would do a larger picture for PIP

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Beirdo:

oh good God. more stupid makeover shows coming to a channel near you this summer

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Beirdo:

just not worth the air time. :)

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Beirdo:

boy, we are a talkative channel today.

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sphery:

Beirdo: Don't worry... I think jams took down the stats page, so no one will accuse you of talking to yourself.

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dgilmore:

does anyone have any issues with dishnetwork and hd-pvr

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dgilmore:

my hd-pvr is locking up almost daily

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

[ 6847.717761] hdpvr 1–5:1.0: untested firmware version 0x12, the driver might not work

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Beirdo:

heh. Great

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Beirdo:

haha

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Beirdo:

and dmesg says it's on /dev/video8, and it's /dev/video2

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Beirdo:

OK, wat did I do wrong NOW?

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Beirdo:

it won't add the channels from my schedulesdirect lineup?!

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Beirdo:

gonna dropkick something soon

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Beirdo:

SourceUtil::IsProperlyConnected(): Source ID 1 appears to be connected to 2 scanable inputs, and 1 non-scanable input. This may be a problem.

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Beirdo:

say WHAT?

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Beirdo:

so... seems I can't share a listings source with HD-PVR and PVR-250

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Beirdo:

gotta duplicate it (on the mythtv side, not on SD)

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[R]:

Beirdo: just make 2 sources with the same login

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[R]:

(thats what i do)

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Beirdo:

yeah, I just created two sources in mythtv-setup... pointing to the same source on SD

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Beirdo:

but that SHOULDN'T be necessary

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Beirdo:

argh

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[R]:

you have the exact same lineup on the 2 devices?

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Beirdo:

and DirecTV tweaked the lineup again

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Beirdo:

yes, but one will not be using HDTV

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Beirdo:

three DirecTV receivers, 1 HD, 2 Standard

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[R]:

how does dtv do the hd... its the same channel number?

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Beirdo:

yep

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Lexridge:

Hi all. My mythfilldatabase has stopped working with the following error:

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Lexridge:

Application binary version (0.23.20100429–1) does not match libraries (0.23.201000617–1)

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Lexridge:

I have uninstalled, and recompiled with the same results.

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Beirdo:

you didn't get it all

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[R]:

Lexridge: you have a mix of old and new libraries on your system

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Lexridge:

R: Yes, but would not an uninstalled and a recompile take care of this?

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Lexridge:

make uninsstall, that is

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wagnerrp:

should have, unless youve got separate source and package installations fighting

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Lexridge:

well, from the version numbers, it looks like the original .23 is conflicting with fixes.

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[R]:

you really should be installign into a prefix and just nuking the prefix to uninstall

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[R]:

problem solved

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Lexridge:

Looks like I man have to manually go clean it out.

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Lexridge:

you mean like making a mount point for /mythtv?

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Lexridge:

interesting idea

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Beirdo:

did you install first via packages?

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[R]:

mount point? huh?

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Beirdo:

and then switch?

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Lexridge:

or directory, I guess. sorry

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wagnerrp:

a prefix

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wagnerrp:

so its going to be a directory tree

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Lexridge:

well, I'm using --prefix=/usr currently

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wagnerrp:

with its own bin, lib, and share

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Lexridge:

I gotcha

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wagnerrp:

and if you do that, youll have to adjust your PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH accordingly

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Lexridge:

yea, I certainly will

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Lexridge:

okay, I will precede to clean this up manually, and start over with a distclean

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Lexridge:

thx

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** rhollan is now in php grief **

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Beirdo:

if you clean out ALL of the previous stuff (binaries and libraries..) it should just work with default prefix

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Beirdo:

but if you miss anything, it will be... odd :)

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Lexridge:

oh, one more thing. Anytime I do a svn up, should I always do a "make distclean", or can I just do a make?

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Beirdo:

usually, make should be fine, but distclean can't hurt

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Beirdo:

and you may need to clean out ~/.ccache too if you use ccache

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Lexridge:

I was just wondering if only doing the make (without the distclean) is what caused this problem in the first place.

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Lexridge:

since not everything gets recompiled.

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Beirdo:

shouldn't be a problem

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Beirdo:

unless you changed prefix between compiles

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Beirdo:

that could cause oddity, I guess

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Lexridge:

nope, never change the prefix.

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Lexridge:

yea, that would certainly cause major problems

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Lexridge:

kinda along the lines of having the mythtv RPMs installed, and building your own mythtv without first removing the rpms

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Lexridge:

I did that once!! DOH!

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Beirdo:

Boston Legal is still funny

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Beirdo:

yeah, don't do that, it will just cause pain

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

one trick

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Beirdo:

which mythfilldatabase

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Beirdo:

then ldd it

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Beirdo:

ldd `which mythfilldatabase` if ya want

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Lexridge:

oh, great idea. Never thought of that.

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Beirdo:

check if the libs prefix and the bin prefix are mismatched

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Lexridge:

how could that happen?

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Beirdo:

old files sticking around

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: please hand over any weapons on your person

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Beirdo:

why?

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wagnerrp:

because you shot a bum

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Beirdo:

?!

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wagnerrp:

[22:42] <Beirdo> Boston Legal is still funny

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** Beirdo cocks the gun and points it at his old mythbox **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

what can I say? I like it

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wagnerrp:

who doesnt love watching an old man get mugged, pull out a gun, and shoot his would-be assailant in the leg

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

seeing Shatner overacting in a different way is always fun for me

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Beirdo:

OK, that's better

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Beirdo:

67326 programs

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Beirdo:

much better than 0

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Beirdo:

OK, download icons time

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Lexridge:

the make distclean worked. yay!!!

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Beirdo:

cool

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Lexridge:

thanks everyone

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Beirdo:

what the heck?

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Beirdo:

Server returnd an error status code 0 for url: http://lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/dd/directv_the_101.jpg

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Beirdo:

I don't get it. I can get there from here

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[R]:

someone pasted to them l with the same error

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[R]:

to the ml*

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Beirdo:

in the icon importer, all missing icons that I need to search for aren't displaying and give that error

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Beirdo:

worked a couple weeks ago

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Beirdo:

yeah, precisely what the guy put on the ML 8 hours ago

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Beirdo:

whoever is responsible for the icon importer... you got a bunch of fixin to do :)

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Beirdo:

If I knew where to look, I'd go fix it myself

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I might look a bit later, we'll see

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Beirdo:

trying something to fix it

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Beirdo:

also installing every ttf font available from ubuntu :)

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Beirdo:

that fixed it

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Beirdo:

added a timeout of 30s

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Beirdo:

rather than default

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Beirdo:

wow

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Beirdo:

took about 28s

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

have to go look at the code and figure out if there's anything that can be done

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wagnerrp:

always nice when nearby lightning makes pops in your headphones

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

who's the "god" of the icon importing?

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theboss:

can someone help me in getting mythtv working on ubuntu 10.4

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theboss:

i have the program working

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theboss:

i have the card recognizing in linux

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theboss:

the dvb im using is haupage hvr 1250

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sphery:

Beirdo: I'm not only that guy, but I was trying to find the channel icon importer in mythtv-setup so I could consider rewriting/fixing it, but I couldn't even find it...

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sphery:

s/not only that guy/not only *not* that guy/

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Beirdo:

sphery: it's in programs/mythtv-setup/importicons.cpp

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Beirdo:

I'm thinking that there's some throttling going on

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

there's a 301

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Beirdo:

so the slow service became twice as slow

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Beirdo:

and I'm pretty sure that tehre is throttling as well

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Beirdo:

looking at the traffic with tshark

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sphery:

Beirdo: I meant I couldn't even find it in the UI.

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Beirdo:

the connect takes a while

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Beirdo:

Oooh

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Beirdo:

in the channel editor

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Beirdo:

right hand side :)

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Beirdo:

Ooooooh

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Beirdo:

I wonder if this isn't DNS delay

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sphery:

oh, I see it, now...

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sphery:

it's a button that looks like a text box, so I ignored it

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

it's DNS

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Beirdo:

sonva...

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sphery:

so, maybe it's a temporary issue?

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Beirdo:

switched the DNS in /etc/resolv.conf to hit google's public DNS, and voila

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Beirdo:

it should have longer timeouts anyways

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Beirdo:

but the core problem is slow DNS lookups

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Beirdo:

OK

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sphery:

dns timeouts are annoying--as many libs will timeout from them quickly even when you set a long timeout

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna put it to 20s (the default seems to be 10s)

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sphery:

(perl libs do, for one)

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Beirdo:

well, AND we didn't cache the DNS locally

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Beirdo:

which we should when we are pounding the same server over and over

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sphery:

would make sense to cache it for a round of downloading

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that's a pretty big change perhaps though

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sphery:

why are we doing the dns, though?

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Beirdo:

but by fixing my DNS... it went from almost 30s to 1.5s per icon

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Beirdo:

well, we have to

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sphery:

isn't that handled low-level by the system or does it not do any caching?

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Beirdo:

how else to you hit http://lyngsat-logo.com

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Beirdo:

the system doesn't do caching by default

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sphery:

oh

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Beirdo:

only if you run a local cache server :)

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Beirdo:

which I do

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Beirdo:

and now have switched it AGAIN to point there

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Beirdo:

this is usable now

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sphery:

what's the TTL for the record?

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sphery:

3600, so shouldn't your local caching-only name server have it?

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Beirdo:

1h

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Beirdo:

it does

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sphery:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

but it WAS set to hit my stupid DSL modem

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Beirdo:

and it BLOWS for DNS resolving

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

I have to say that I"m surprised there's no local caching of DNS results without a name server... It seems very wasteful to look up every address for every URI over and over (especially when most are going to be for the same server). I guess that's why HTTP has Keep-alive connections and I suppose that means that apps like browsers have to implement their own DNS caching since the libs don't do it.

[04:23:28]

Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

(Not saying i don't believe you--just surprised. I hadn't even thought about it until tonight.)

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Beirdo:

that's a bug to be fixed in libmythdb, IMHO

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longhaired1:

Hope this is the right place. Just upgraded Mythbuntu to latest version and now DIVX / AVI's don't want to play in the internal player (default player using mplayer). I'm guessing it's a common problem. Any suggestions? (mov and some other file types playing fine)

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sphery:

longhaired1: change the player to Internal

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sphery:

much better experience, and will likely work fine

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longhaired1:

I believe I already did that. Let me go double check. Thanks.

[04:25:02]

sphery:

well, mplayer != Internal

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Beirdo:

there. Email sent

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wagnerrp:

wait, mythtv isnt wrapped around mplayer?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

only like a car around a telephone pole

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wagnerrp:

its gruesome, but i just cant stop watching

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theboss:

when i click to watch tv

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theboss:

my mythtv just goes away

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wagnerrp:

explain 'goes away'

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theboss:

just goes back to menu

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theboss:

when i click watch tv

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theboss:

i have not got this working yet

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wagnerrp:

so it fails to open tv

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Beirdo:

GRRRR, this importer needs a "hit ESC to abort the search" implemented

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theboss:

yes

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Beirdo:

this is retarded.

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theboss:

it fails to open tv

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to see why it failed to start a recording

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wagnerrp:

'goes away' would normally imply it crashed all together

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sphery:

Beirdo: the importer pretty much needs a complete rewrite :)

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Beirdo:

Oh, and "Cable News Network" doesn't match "CNN" for some fun reason :)

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Beirdo:

agreed

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Beirdo:

it

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Beirdo:

it's been worse though

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Beirdo:

I'll commit a 20s timeout

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Beirdo:

sound good?

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sphery:

yeah, sounds good

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theboss:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ghTzWCTa <--- wagnerrp please help bro you seem to have good knowledge on this

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theboss:

that is what my backend log says

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theboss:

2010-06–27 23:24:40.447 DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(Please add): Unable to find channel in database.

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wagnerrp:

thats not what you pasted in

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longhaired1:

Perfect. Default player was set as mplayer and I switched it to internal and all is groovy now.

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theboss:

2010-06–27 23:24:40.456 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to Please add. Reverting to kState_None

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wagnerrp:

livetv failed because you have no channels to tune

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theboss:

ya i know im scrolling up

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wagnerrp:

you need to add channels

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sphery:

longhaired1: cool, enjoy

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theboss:

when i go to scan for channels there is no noise

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theboss:

like it doesnt display a signal

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wagnerrp:

analog or digital tuner?

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wagnerrp:

you said 1250, right?

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theboss:

yes

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theboss:

digital

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longhaired1:

Thanks. One more quickie. Where should I be looking for the latest and greatest in streaming? Mythstream seems pretty dead. Should I be looking at MythVodka?

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wagnerrp:

digital broadcast or digital cable?

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theboss:

cable is what i want to setup

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wagnerrp:

you scanned with frequency table set to 'cable' and modulation set to 'cable (qam-256)'?

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theboss:

it was scanning and stuck on 75 and trying to decrypt or something

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theboss:

was it scanning right

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wagnerrp:

let it finish scanning

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wagnerrp:

if you dont let it finish, no channels will be added

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wagnerrp:

also, you may want to go to silicondust.com

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theboss:

how long does it take to decrypt

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wagnerrp:

they have channel lineups, searchable by zip code

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theboss:

like channel 75

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theboss:

cool

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wagnerrp:

so you can see what you can expect to get over digital cable unencrypted

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theboss:

go to the website

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theboss:

that way i can rearrange my channels

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theboss:

to the line up

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wagnerrp:

you cannot decrypt north american digital cable

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wagnerrp:

no, it doesnt get you anything in relation to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

it just gives you an idea of what to expect your channel scan to get

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theboss:

ahh i see

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theboss:

so maybe i should just use an analog card it would be practically the same thing

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theboss:

so if i have digital cable i may get nothing

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you have that link set on your bot?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

what would be a good shortform?

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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theboss:

wagnerrp so how can i get it to not scan digital channels b/c i think it will continually try to loop to decrypt the digital channel on scan

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wagnerrp:

'nocablecard'? :)

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theboss:

also there is no noise when scanning i would think i would get a noise indicater telling me i am getting signal

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Beirdo:

well that was cool

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wagnerrp:

unless you specifically tell it to, mythtv will simply check the 'encrypted' flag in the channel identifier

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wagnerrp:

it wont test for encryption by default

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Beirdo:

!url nocablecard

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MythLogBot:

nocablecard: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Beirdo:

give it time, it will respond :)

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wagnerrp:

!url fail!

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword fail!

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wagnerrp:

it parsing all those million lines of IRC logs?

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Beirdo:

no, it was busy notifying a bunch of people

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sphery:

!bonfire

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** wagnerrp sets fire to MythLogBot **

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sphery:

but there's no match to start the fire

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theboss:

wagnerrp its just timing out on scans saying no signal

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theboss:

i have everything set to cable and cable-us in vid

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sphery:

on the vast majority of frequencies, it will do exactly that

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sphery:

i.e. you don't have channels on every freq--especially the low frequencies

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wagnerrp:

you will only get 20–40 channels that it will actually pick up a signal on

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wagnerrp:

and of those, maybe 5 that you actually have unencrypted channels on

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wagnerrp:

more like 40–60

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theboss:

so what services is mythtv good for?

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wagnerrp:

unencrypted services

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sphery:

anything unencrypted

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theboss:

k so ill rescan shouldnt i see a noise signal though

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sphery:

meaning unencrypted digital (mainly the over-the-air stuff) and analog

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Beirdo:

hahahah. helps if I reload the DHCP server too

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sphery:

SNR is meaningless on the display

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sphery:

many drivers don't report that stuff

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sphery:

or at least not until they have a lock

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sphery:

(which, btw, only happens when there's an actually signal/channel on the frequency)

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Beirdo:

committed, BTW

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

Al Jazeera Sports HD?

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Beirdo:

pass.

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5up3k3xMVQU

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp, sphery: so... delete the weather.com files completely, or just disable them?

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sphery:

Beirdo: I say delete them. If we later get permission, we can recover them from SVN.

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Beirdo:

OK, that's what I was thinking too

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Beirdo:

and it's gone

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Beirdo:

next fun is to determine how to get this backported :)

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Beirdo:

figuring out every little bit I changed...

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Beirdo:

fun times

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

don't really wanna backport the other changes that iamlindoro made in weather-ui.xml for Arclight

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Beirdo:

oh screw it

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zoran119:

hey, i have added a videos storage on the backend machine... should the frontend pick up the videos automatically?

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zoran119:

rescan on the frontend says nothing found

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zoran119:

or do i have to run setup on the front end as well?

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justinh:

zoran119: depends if you used a storage group or not

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zoran119:

justinh: yes i did... and running 'scan for changes' on the backend machine (starting mythfrontend and running the scan) shows the videos

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zoran119:

justinh: doing the same on another machine (laptop) does not show any videos

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justinh:

all machines using the same backend and the same database?

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zoran119:

justinh: i believe they do

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zoran119:

justinh: in mythtv-setup the top part (local backend) has 127.0.0.1 and in master backend section it has 192.168.1.8

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zoran119:

justinh: the backend (desktop) has 127.0.0.1 in both sections

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justinh:

BOTH IPs need to be the same

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justinh:

BOTH IPs need to be 192.168.1.8

[07:34:52]

Beirdo:

beer?

[07:35:08]

justinh:

192.168.1.8 IS the IP address of the master backend isn't it?

[07:36:18]

zoran119:

justinh: let me clarify... 2 machines (desktop = 192.168.1.8, to be used as the backend) and (laptop = 192.168.1.7 to be used as the front end)

[07:36:46]

justinh:

yeah so on the backend machine both IP addresses in mythtv-setup must be set to the same address

[07:36:49]

zoran119:

justinh: the master backend is the desktop (runs mysql as well)

[07:36:54]

justinh:

otherwise it will think it's a slave backend

[07:37:02]

zoran119:

justinh: ah ok

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Beirdo:

argh

[07:40:41]

Beirdo:

this is why it would be nice to have the other box not dead :)

[07:40:57]

Beirdo:

I have the mythweather stuff ready to backport...

[07:41:18]

zoran119:

justinh: nope... still no go... the laptop frontend keeps wanting to scan /share/movies/dvd which doesn't exist

[07:41:20]

Beirdo:

but I can't compile it at the exact second... as I'm actually RUNNING trunk

[07:41:26]

Beirdo:

and doing a test recording

[07:41:49]

justinh:

zoran119: you HAVE set up a storage group. as in what mythtv calls a STORAGE GROUP, right?

[07:42:03]

justinh:

zoran119: not just put the path to the videos in mythvideo settings pages

[07:42:10]

justinh:

because they're not the same thing

[07:43:51]

justinh:

you set up storage groups in mythtv-setup on the backend machine

[07:44:09]

zoran119:

justinh: i have gone to setup -> storage direcotries -> create videos group and then added my directory there

[07:44:20]

justinh:

right then

[07:44:29]

zoran119:

justinh: BUT i have only done this on the desktop (backend to be)

[07:44:39]

justinh:

you should only need to do that on the desktop

[07:44:47]

justinh:

er backend I mean

[07:44:59]

zoran119:

justinh: that's what i thought

[07:46:06]

zoran119:

so now the laptop (frontend): setup -> general -> local backend ip is 192.168.1.7 and master backend ip is 192.168.1.8

[07:46:16]

zoran119:

justinh: but the scan doesn't work...

[07:46:37]

zoran119:

justinh: well... doesn't find anything is what i should say

[07:49:07]

Beirdo:

there is one dillhole around here whose car likes to honk... for minutes on end... at all times of the night

[07:49:16]

Beirdo:

may I please shoot the car?

[07:49:32]

justinh:

zoran119: you restarted mythbackend after changing that IP address ?

[07:51:05]

justinh:

Beirdo: yes. and its owner

[07:51:35]

Beirdo:

tempting...

[07:53:09]

zoran119:

justinh: yes i did... a few times

[07:53:49]

justinh:

and the frontend isn't complaining that it can't connect to the backend at all?

[07:54:10]

justinh:

I'm also assuming that your mysql server is also accessible from the frontend machine

[07:56:59]

Beirdo:

well, the HDPVR seems to record OK ;)

[07:57:17]

Beirdo:

tomorrow I get to setup the IR blaster in it to actually change channels

[07:57:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[07:57:33]

Beirdo:

right now the channel changing script is "/bin/true"

[07:57:35]

Beirdo:

heh

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zoran119:

justinh: that's interesting.... 'Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt' and 'Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost'

[07:58:05]

zoran119:

so it's connecting to the local mysql server

[07:58:19]

justinh:

local? there should be no local mysql server on a frontend machine

[07:58:21]

** Beirdo listens to the rhythmic gurk gurk gurk that is so typical of recording **

[07:58:41]

Beirdo:

justinh: sure, there can be... but it's not gonna be for mythtv

[07:59:06]

zoran119:

justinh: and then 'MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.8:6543 (try 1 of 1)'

[07:59:24]

justinh:

zoran119: seems to me you've misunderstood how mythtv works a little

[07:59:57]

Beirdo:

hoooooooooooooooooooooooooonk

[08:00:02]

Beirdo:

DIE!

[08:00:08]

Beirdo:

it's 1am.

[08:00:13]

justinh:

on the laptop open a terminal & try to connect to the backend's mysql server

[08:00:35]

justinh:

mysql -u mythtv -pWHATEVERTHEPASSWORDIS mythconverg -h 192.168.1.8

[08:00:49]

Beirdo:

just -p

[08:00:56]

Beirdo:

it prompts for the password :)

[08:01:11]

justinh:

no harm in doing what I said either IMHO

[08:01:16]

Beirdo:

true :)

[08:01:32]

Beirdo:

just bad form as it will be exposed to ps and top

[08:01:45]

justinh:

gah my laptop is being covered in grit

[08:01:58]

Beirdo:

so if yer on a multiuser machine and you CARE about the password showing...

[08:02:04]

justinh:

stupid house builders around the corner

[08:02:23]

Beirdo:

wanna borrow the gun after I finish that car off?

[08:03:02]

justinh:

heh

[08:03:13]

justinh:

Beirdo: just tried that & I get justin 28369 29805 0 09:02 pts/8 00:00:00 mysql -u mythtv -px xxxx mythconverg

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justinh:

jees you can actually see grit flying around when the sun catches it

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Beirdo:

oh? it actually overwrites it?

[08:04:57]

Beirdo:

smart of em

[08:05:16]

justinh:

reassuring to know :)

[08:05:17]

zoran119:

justinh: it seems mysql cannot be accessed... but is this a requirement? i thought front and back end would talk using mythtv protocol and backend would do the mysql lifting

[08:05:44]

justinh:

zoran119: nope

[08:06:17]

** justinh goes back inside **

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Beirdo:

hmmm, playback not working

[08:07:00]

Beirdo:

a fight for tomorrow

[08:07:20]

Beirdo:

it brings up the first frame, and sits

[08:09:45]

Beirdo:

and it's myth-specific. mplayer plays it fine

[08:09:52]

Beirdo:

too tired to care

[08:09:58]

Beirdo:

let's finish this backport

[08:11:08]

zoran119:

justinh: i don't remember setting a password for mythtv mysql user

[08:13:09]

zoran119:

justinh: plus mysqltv user is only allowed to access the backend database from localhost (looking at mysql.user table on 192.168.1.8)

[08:20:25]

zoran119:

justinh: ok... i can now connect to the backend mysql service from the frontend

[08:20:36]

zoran119:

justinh: but still no go...

[08:20:58]

zoran119:

justinh: how does the front end know what password to use to connect to the backend mysql database

[08:21:15]

zoran119:

justinh: it didn't ask me for it anwhere in the setup

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justinh:

mythfrontend utils/setup > setup > general

[08:51:16]

justinh:

or it's the very first screen you see the first time you ever run mythfrontend

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justinh:

arghhh! darn Argos. The catalogue said 58 inch drop but the curtains are really 54 inch drop. buggeration

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justinh:

I don't get the whole deal about curtains for kids' rooms anyway. they're mostly very small. as if no kid's bedroom can have a window bigger than 54 inches high

[08:55:20]

justinh:

stuff it. I'll make some

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** Beirdo yawns **

[09:23:28]

Beirdo:

come ON compile :)

[09:23:52]

Beirdo:

but, switched my wireless DHCP over to my firewall box :)

[09:24:00]

Beirdo:

qwest can eat it

[09:25:35]

Beirdo:

woooohoo.

[09:25:53]

Beirdo:

I can playback the recorded video... right on my TV

[09:26:03]

Beirdo:

the UPnP is working fine

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Beirdo:

and I need have to turn off the closed captioning from the receiver

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Beirdo:

[25190]

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Beirdo:

yay

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KaZeR:

using gentoo, my mythbackend starts with the wrong prefix : Using runtime prefix = /usr/local. the binary comes from an ebuild from portage. what can cause this?

[10:14:17]

KaZeR:

(i had a manually compiled binary before, installed indeed in /usr/local, but i've removed it)

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janneg:

KaZeR: have you also removed the mythtv libraries in /usr/local?

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KaZeR:

ah, no. thanks, it works now

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justinh:

grrr. camcorder hasn't been dispatched yet

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: who at TWC did you try to contact about this?

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slacker-:

Hi guys

[12:30:34]

slacker-:

my jamu.py says ! Warning – Mismatched schema version for 'mythvideo.DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1028, we speak version 1032

[12:30:42]

slacker-:

where do I start fixing it?

[12:30:56]

slacker-:

this is ubuntu lucid all upgraded

[12:31:19]

wagnerrp:

upgrade mythtv or downgrade jamu

[12:31:45]

slacker-:

hm. so they got the dependencies wrong in lucid?

[12:32:32]

wagnerrp:

10.04 ships with MythTV 0.23

[12:32:41]

slacker-:

that's right

[12:32:42]

wagnerrp:

which should be schema version 1032

[12:32:52]

wagnerrp:

so either your update failed

[12:33:04]

wagnerrp:

or you never restarted mythtv after the update to upgrade your database

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slacker-:

I rebooted, so I suppose I run the upgrade script again. Is there such a thing?

[12:33:46]

slacker-:

time to read the doc I suppose

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no upgrade script

[12:33:59]

wagnerrp:

you run the backend, and the backend automatically upgrades your database

[12:34:22]

wagnerrp:

or in this case, since its a separate schema for the mythvideo plugin, you need to run a frontend which has mythvideo installed

[12:34:23]

slacker-:

ah

[12:35:19]

slacker-:

mysql had a problem after the reboot

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slacker-:

didn't come up

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slacker-:

during that time, the backend restarted constantly

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slacker-:

I got mysql up but the backend hasn't restarted since.

[12:41:02]

wagnerrp:

yes, the backend will close if it cannot access the database

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wagnerrp:

and your init script apparently was blindly restarting it

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slacker-:

just realised that the dvb device doesn't exist. suppose I have some digging around to do

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slacker-:

ok, i've got my device back and the backend has restarted

[12:50:55]

slacker-:

apprently, database still speaks version 1028

[12:51:04]

wagnerrp:

have you run the frontend?

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slacker-:

no, i'm fixing xorg as we speak

[12:53:02]

slacker-:

bloody nvidia

[12:53:14]

wagnerrp:

as i said, the mythvideo schema is a separate schema tied to a plugin

[12:53:24]

wagnerrp:

plugin schemas are updated by the frontend, when you run the frontend

[12:53:34]

wagnerrp:

it will not be updated until you run the frontend

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slacker-:

thanks. working on it

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slacker-:

alright, it's upgraded the database ok

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slacker-:

jamu is doing its thing

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pepsiman:

My mythbackend process is deadlocked, how do I work out what caused it?

[13:22:00]

EvilGuru:

pepsiman: Look at the logs, attach strace

[13:24:11]

wagnerrp:

i dont help people who have turned to the dark side

[13:24:45]

EvilGuru:

What is the dark side?

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wagnerrp:

pepsi

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EvilGuru:

I once knew a guy who could tell the difference between the three types of Coke + Pepsi even when poured into a glass

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pepsiman:

who can't

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wagnerrp:

like... coke, diet coke, cherry coke?

[13:26:14]

wagnerrp:

or coke bottled at three different plants

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pepsiman:

EvilGuru, what would you look for in the logs?

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wagnerrp:

pepsiman: basically, what was it doing last before the deadlock

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EvilGuru:

Last couple of lines may be of use

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EvilGuru:

But if the process is still running strace it

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pepsiman:

EvilGuru, it's not completely deadlocked, it was still recording one program, it just doesn't start any new recordings

[13:27:58]

EvilGuru:

Right, then logs it is

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pepsiman:

last line of log was: 2010-06–28 14:16:49.463 DevRdB(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Driver buffers overflowed

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wagnerrp:

sounds like the card is borked

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wagnerrp:

outside of mythv's control

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wagnerrp:

bad drivers

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pepsiman:

but that message was after my wife phoned to say it was deadlocked

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, that man could tell you more

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pepsiman:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/S0Rtc19z

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** devinheitmueller hides **

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devinheitmueller:

-EOVERFLOW conditions occur when the application is not reading from the DVB device driver fast enough (so the driver is forced to drop MPEG packets).

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pepsiman:

so that could be when I attached gdb

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devinheitmueller:

What type of card is it? And what digital standard are we talking about?

[13:36:35]

devinheitmueller:

It's possible.

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devinheitmueller:

If you attach gdb to such a process, the packets won't stop arriving from the hardware, so when you do a continue you will likely see this message.

[13:37:07]

pepsiman:

anyway, it was deadlocked before that was logged

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devinheitmueller:

Note it's not a fatal condition though. It's just a notification that there could be some corrupt video.

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devinheitmueller:

Could you please describe what "deadlocked" means to you in greater detail?

[13:38:31]

slacker-:

thanks for your help wagnerrp

[13:39:11]

pepsiman:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/RMNDKGfT

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pepsiman:

devinheitmueller, The Backend Status page in mythweb doesn't load, there are no thumbnails for recordings in the frontend, no scheduled recordings start, wife phones me

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: That doesn't look like a driver issue. It looks like it's blocked doing a mysql prepare.

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pepsiman:

but the backend was still running and still performing IO

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pepsiman:

why would a prepare block?

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wagnerrp:

i cede judgement to you... just saw that dvb overflow thing and figured it was a card issue

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pepsiman:

what locks is that thread holding?

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devinheitmueller:

Well, a prepare in and of itself shouldn't block, but it's possible that the owning thread is holding a lock.

[13:42:23]

devinheitmueller:

pepsiman: I'm not actually a MythTV dev, so I don't know much about how they did their internal locking.

[13:42:41]

devinheitmueller:

pepsiman: you really need to talk to someone who is more familiar with the mythbackend threading.

[13:43:24]

wagnerrp:

which doesnt mean 'any mythtv dev'

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wagnerrp:

chances are devin knows more about myth's internal locking than i do

[13:44:32]

devinheitmueller:

Frankly I have only done work on the NuppelVideoRecorder. I don't even build MythTV from source anymore.

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devinheitmueller:

(I run the binaries shipped with Ubuntu)

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about thread 27?

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pepsiman:

I don't build it from source either, which is making debugging difficult

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yes.

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devinheitmueller:

Seems odd that would still be running for so long if he's in a hung state.

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devinheitmueller:

He can try to continue, wait a minute and reattach, and see if it's still blocked there.

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wagnerrp:

open up mysql and run 'show processlist;'

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wagnerrp:

is the backend still listed as connected?

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pepsiman:

btw, this is ticket 8606

[13:47:11]

wagnerrp:

you probably need to be the mysql root user for that to work

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pepsiman:

I restarted the backend, I can try next time it hangs

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clever:

wagnerrp: if you run 'show processlist' as mythtv, it will only show mythtv's querys

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pepsiman:

This is the current process list: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/EZqxwtJy

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clever:

looks completely normal

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pepsiman:

should be, it's not deadlocked at the moment

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pepsiman:

I also get an email like this after restarting the backend: run-parts: /etc/cron.hourly/mythvideo exited with return code 1

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pepsiman:

Thread 27 holds eventMapLock and is blocked on a query prepare. Thread 2 holds _listener_lock and is trying to get eventMapLock. Thread 28 is trying to get _listener_lock

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pepsiman:

I never saw this deadlock with 0.22, is it possible to downgrade?

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wagnerrp:

nope, recover from a database backup only

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abbzer0:

Good Day – anybody active in here right now? Had a couple opinion questions about MythTV

[14:25:40]

wagnerrp:

ask away, someone may eventually answer

[14:25:58]

wagnerrp:

in these types of help channels, its not customary to expect an immediate reposnse

[14:26:00]

abbzer0:

Well, someone feel free to respond when you are available. It has been some time since I've used MythTV (Like 2002'ish) It was great at the time, but it seemed that for a while MS Media Center, and some other products "ran away with the show" so to speak.

[14:26:19]

abbzer0:

I'm looking at building another Media center solution, and liked the thought of the front-end/back-end configuration.

[14:26:55]

abbzer0:

How do you think MythTV compares to the other solutions these days? My main goal is to rip all DVD's that I have, and also transcode my Blueray content to h.264/mkv formats and have the ability to play/pause/record live television.

[14:27:24]

abbzer0:

I would like to keep a front-end as compact as possible to look nice in the living room. I wanted to give MythTV another chance since it appears to have been developed rather heavily over the past several years.

[14:27:34]

wagnerrp:

ive not used any other HTPC softwares recently to comment on that

[14:27:38]

abbzer0:

Just wanted to know a few folks opinions as of late. Thanks again for the comments.

[14:27:46]

wagnerrp:

and your blurays are already h264, why are you transcoding them?

[14:27:49]

abbzer0:

(I haven't either, nothing since XP Media Center)

[14:28:23]

abbzer0:

sorry, stated that wrong. Bascially going to rip the rest of them to a drive so my kids can't touch them. have a nice menu interface for the movies.

[14:28:28]

abbzer0:

thanks for keeping me honest there. ;)

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wagnerrp:

well people do that, and i dont understand why

[14:29:00]

wagnerrp:

i mean it just takes a /massive/ amount of time, for little real gain

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: I could never unstand why people transcode DVDs

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EvilGuru:

I've always just copied the VOB files raw and kept them that way

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wagnerrp:

i used to transcode mine, to get them into a format i could stream to my playstation

[14:37:31]

wagnerrp:

it should have accepted the mpeg2+ac3, but i could never figure out how to remux it into a format it liked

[14:38:23]

EvilGuru:

When blu-ray support comes around (year or so) I'll probably rip them in the same way, just making a complete copy

[14:38:41]

wagnerrp:

support for?

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skd5aner:

decryption, I assume

[14:39:46]

wagnerrp:

right, mythtv currently has support for unencrypted playback

[14:39:49]

EvilGuru:

Finally get to put this Â£450 blu-ray drive to use :P

[14:40:14]

wagnerrp:

you can play the m2ts files directly, or you can rip them to an iso and play them from an image

[14:40:34]

wagnerrp:

there is just currently no usable decryption library for bd+ under linux

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skd5aner:

EvilGuru: I just always do .isos. I happen to like the original structure of DVDs and not just the main feature

[14:41:04]

skd5aner:

EvilGuru: what sucks about that is that still no storage group support for that :P

[14:41:05]

EvilGuru:

skd5aner: If you take all of the VOBs and folder structure you get almost the same thing

[14:41:29]

skd5aner:

Sure, but instead of a folder structure – I have a single file, much easier IMHO

[14:41:42]

EvilGuru:

True

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skd5aner:

easier to reburn back to disc if I ever need to too

[14:42:13]

EvilGuru:

Some of the newer DVDs are quite hard to rip

[14:42:33]

skd5aner:

yea, I don't rip hardly any anymore...

[14:43:12]

skd5aner:

mainly because my home movie watching habits have dropped quite substantially

[14:43:44]

skd5aner:

eb and flow, I'm sure that'll change someday

[14:44:20]

skd5aner:

oh, also Hollywood hasn't been impressing me much recently

[14:47:35]

wagnerrp:

clearly their garbage isnt the cause of lost sales, its because youre pirating the movies instead of buying and ripping them.... :)

[14:55:29]

skd5aner:

obviously... I mean, if it wasn't for people like us, they wouldn't have had to spend $Eleventy Billion on DRM

[14:55:29]

wagnerrp:

now.. back to buying the remakes of movies that werent good the first time they were produced...

[14:55:58]

skd5aner:

heh

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skd5aner:

quit ruining good things from my childhood ::cough:: A-Team, GI Joe, Smurfs, Alvin and the Chipmonks ::cough::

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EvilGuru:

skd5aner: Sad that these kinds of measures only seem to affect the consumers as opposed to big-time pirates

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skd5aner:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

who ever said DRM was to prevent piracy

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: To Viacom watching a DVD you've bought more than once counts as piracy

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skd5aner:

heh – remember "DIVX" (not the codec, but the DVD competitor circa 1996)?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the disposable, pay-for-play disks?

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skd5aner:

yup – phone home each play

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skd5aner:

Circuit City was the big backer

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EvilGuru:

With most blu-ray players having ethernet that could be a reality soon

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wagnerrp:

this BDLive content is available at $3/minute

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johnnyj:

Circuit City ain't doing too well lately: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/circuit-city . . . losses-widen

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johnnyj:

woops that's an old link

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jams:

haha

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jams:

yes it is

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johnnyj:

google told it was dated jun 10, 2010

[16:02:59]

jams:

your correct though..they didn't do so well

[16:03:51]

skd5aner:

yea, seeings how they completely liquidated all of their storefronts about 18 months ago

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johnnyj:

skd5aner: oh that a complete liquidation?

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AndyCap:

as long as they don't liquidate employees.

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johnnyj:

weren't they always horridly more expensive than everyone else?

[16:05:20]

skd5aner:

I believe they still have an online business, but I believe they may have just sold the brand to an investor to run the online piece

[16:05:22]

jams:

johnnyj- they went out of buisness and closed all their stores some time ago.

[16:05:41]

jams:

skd5aner- think it's tigerdirect under the hood

[16:05:56]

skd5aner:

johnnyj: they weren't way more expensive, but for the longest time they worked on commision – which drove me nuts if I ever went to their stores

[16:05:56]

jams:

just like compusa is now tigerdirect

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johnnyj:

skd5aner: The Shack is that way too

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jams:

skd5aner- yes it was annoying. I took up the policy of pretending to shop for inexpensive stuff, then depending on who helped who give the big ticket sales to them.

[16:09:43]

** skd5aner can barely stand to go to radio shack anymore, and only when necessary **

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johnnyj:

skd5aner: i got a friend a job working there (BITD) and he now manages the one closest to me – I always think 'you poor bastard' when I drive by and see his car

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jams:

johnnyj- does he enjoy it or is it jsut a job?

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johnnyj:

jams: says 'it's great!'

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justinh:

heh I saw a trailer for the A-Team the other night. Oh boy. Smells of lemon

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EvilGuru:

They're doing a film!?!

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jams:

yeah opens this week i think

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EvilGuru:

Oh dear

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wagnerrp:

ive heard bad things about it

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jams:

i still say thought should have used Mr T.

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jams:

he can still play the part

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EvilGuru:

jams: I thought he was addicted to WoW?

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AndyCap:

Night Elf Mohawk

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jams:

hehe that must be why they didn't cast him

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EvilGuru:

As is Ozzy (and he *doesn't* need the money)

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** wagnerrp doesnt understand why people buy hardware without knowing what it is **

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: they have an excess money problem?

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wagnerrp:

'it doesnt say on the box. its ... erm... made in china?'

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wagnerrp:

WTF

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wagnerrp:

did you expect that disk to magically come with linux drivers?

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skd5aner:

there's hardware without linux drivers?!

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skd5aner:

omg – someone tell Congress so they can fix that!

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: What hardware?

[16:44:22]

wagnerrp:

how should i know, they guy asking for support wont tell me

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EvilGuru:

Haha, awesome

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wagnerrp:

ive got half a mind to tell him its PAL, and its not IVTV, which makes it kindling

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wagnerrp:

please deposit in your nearest bonfire

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** EvilGuru just buys Hauppauge cards on account of them usually working **

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wagnerrp:

B/G... so that makes it western europe, non-UK

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: well duh, as long as it has the same chips as some supported product, of course it will work with Linux!

[17:07:52]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: well if they had thought that, they wouldnt be asking if the saa7134 chip had support

[17:09:24]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: true

[17:09:43]

devinheitmueller:

But GregKH said that the "hardware driver problem under Linux" had been solved!

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wagnerrp:

trying to guess from their post times whether theyre europe or australia

[17:10:55]

sphery:

we certainly have a lot of lawyers using MythTV--at least the -users list makes it look that way.

[17:12:12]

wagnerrp:

apparently weve got our own gods now too

[17:13:04]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: oooh, where do I sign up for that designation?

[17:13:23]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[17:13:45]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-users mailing list

[17:13:53]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: just start telling people we need to remove stuff from mythtv because of copyright/trademark/patent law and you'll be one of them

[17:14:01]

wagnerrp:

you can choose from 'Copyright', 'Trademark', 'Patents', or 'Whatever'

[17:14:05]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: Ah.

[17:14:30]

sphery:

seems people who won't be on the hook for violations think that devs should remain on the hook for violations...

[17:14:31]

devinheitmueller:

Well, just about every piece of software violates hundreds of patents.

[17:15:01]

sphery:

heh, yeah--I agree that it's impossible to write any non-trivial program that doesn't violate patents

[17:15:33]

** kormoc is missing a epic list post? **

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sphery:

even trivial programs may violate patents when you go to the level of bytecode formats and such... But that's more a problem with the US patent law than anything

[17:16:01]

sphery:

kormoc: the thread on weather.com terms of service

[17:16:03]

wagnerrp:

the latest stink was over the the weather.com radar grabber being removed

[17:16:11]

kormoc:

I patented 0's and 1's, and 2's for good measure

[17:16:25]

wagnerrp:

because the ToS is a bit vague, and seems to indicate its not for 3rd party program use

[17:16:28]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/441577#441577

[17:16:40]

sphery:

kormoc: we'll just have to start using qubits

[17:16:40]

wagnerrp:

and our inquiries to them about such went unanswered

[17:17:21]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i hear we can feed encrypted digital cable into qubits, and they crap out unicorns

[17:17:36]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

nice

[17:18:36]

wagnerrp:

hey, no one actually knows how they work... theyre 'spooky'

[17:18:56]

sphery:

someone really needs to tell the whiners who think "we" should maintain these questionable bits of code that they're GPL-licensed code, so they can get a copy, modify it to be able to scrape the website/keep up with changes to the website, and host it themselves so that when someone comes a calling, they can answer the call

[17:19:00]

kormoc:

at a distance none the less!

[17:23:38]

justinh:

god bless teh users

[17:25:51]

jams:

btw sphery stats are back up. Forgot I moved them but didn't move them back

[17:26:33]

** jams kicks dirt at php **

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** kormoc wipes the dirt from his eyes **

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jams:

stop protecting php and that wouldn't happen

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kormoc:

Nothing wrong with PHP, it's all the crappy developers who give it a bad name! ;)

[17:28:59]

jams:

that must be it

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skd5aner:

mythweather without radar images is, not extremely useful, IMHO – but hey, rules are rules – what else can you do about it?

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Aqua-WK:

afternoon folks... using .23 and set a password on the util/setup in the frontend... now when I try to enter back in it just hangs... anyone else seen something like this?

[17:31:37]

skd5aner:

I'm hoping Beirdo's efforts pay off, because I'd love a more useful mythweather, but I'm hoping usability gets the focus, because mythweather sucks from an end user perspective – sorry, not point fingers

[17:31:43]

** skd5aner steps off of soap box **

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skd5aner:

s/point/pointing

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jams:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

seems both the gnome weather applets i know of use weather.com

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justinh:

do images make that much difference? how many muggles can interpret them anyway?

[17:34:30]

Aqua-WK:

newserver machigh.kicks-ass.net

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wagnerrp:

Aqua-WK: thats great...

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wagnerrp:

any ircops around for a k-line?

[17:35:25]

Aqua-WK:

sorry.. was trying to connect to another server and forgot the /

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Aqua-WK:

:/

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Aqua-WK:

it's not a spam

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, here's the argument for their TOS

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sphery:

jams: yay! stats are cool. Too bad, though, that no one will know how much Beirdo was talking to himself, yesterday...

[17:36:03]

Beirdo:

we should have weather maps again REAL soon

[17:36:09]

kormoc:

"The Services contains copyrighted material, trademarks and other proprietary information, including, without limitation, text"

[17:36:32]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, the markup is text and covered under their restrictions on use

[17:36:42]

kormoc:

Fin.

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Beirdo:

wunderground maps seem to be fine under the same TOS as their text.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, they are, users are arguing weather.com

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Beirdo:

and I didn't have time last night to deploy

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skd5aner:

justinh: I almost exclusively look at radar images when looking at weather – tells me what's coming my way, how fast, how big, and how strong, and if it's going to hit 10 miles up the road or directly where I am

[17:37:16]

skd5aner:

City forecasts are too vauge – 60+ mile radius

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skd5aner:

sometimes

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justinh:

that's all we get in the UK

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Beirdo:

I know. They can argue until their face goes blue... until weather.com gives us explicit permission, I'm not gonna put it back in

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what address did you send it to?

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skd5aner:

that, and I read METARs and TAFs, but I don't expect more than 0.0001% of myth users would care (or understand) what those are

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Beirdo:

I used their feedback. If you can find me an appropriate email, great

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Beirdo:

anyways, NOAA radar is available

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it was no-reply@weather.com

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sphery:

do you have a better address?

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sphery:

;)

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Beirdo:

and is usable via wunderground (they leverage NOAA NEXRAD data)

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wagnerrp:

how about copyrightagent@weather.com ?

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Beirdo:

expect to see a replacement soon.

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kormoc:

screw-off-pirate@weather.com

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wagnerrp:

bottom of the page, http://www.weather.com/common/home/legal.html

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

Also, Animated Radar > Single Radar Screen

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Beirdo:

that's for reporting issues

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt read that

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wagnerrp:

were reporting ourselves, and asking for use rights!

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wagnerrp:

:)

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kormoc:

indeed!

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skd5aner:

Googling "weather api" seems like there's options, sorta

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skd5aner:

I'm sure you knew that already though

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

I have my eyes set on the replacement already

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the problem with that is there is no official form of documentation for that

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wagnerrp:

or any use terms to go along with it

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sphery:

We need a new initialism for our list... IANALBIPOOTMUL: I Am Not A Lawyer, But I Play One On The mythtv-users List

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: have you checked this out? (I haven't yet) – http://awapi.codeplex.com/

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wagnerrp:

from a legal standpoint, it doesnt even exist to use

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I didn't necessarily mean "weather.com api" :)

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i misread, thought you were referring specifically to 'google weather api'

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skd5aner:

I would just assume, there's a bazillion apps out there, widgets, etc...

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skd5aner:

I don't have an iphone, how many weather apps are there that aren't released by weatherbug, weather.com, weather underground, bbc, or yahoo?

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skd5aner:

gotta be some

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yeah, but theyre all first party apps, with closed, undocumented APIs

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: oh... yea, I've see something about that before too

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: gotcha – someone mentioned a couple gnome based weather apps?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i did

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wagnerrp:

i know of two that hook into weather.com

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skd5aner:

just have to assume they're violating ToS -or- have explicit permission?

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wagnerrp:

probably the former

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Beirdo:

either way, we don't have the explicit permission, alas

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skd5aner:

also, to make it clear, I'm not advocating a "who cares" stance here – just curious and I know most of you have already asked the questions I'm asking many times

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Beirdo:

yeah, I understand :)

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skd5aner:

IANAL-TG

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skd5aner:

I am not a lawyer, thank God

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

me neither, and I'd rather fall on the side of safety

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skd5aner:

Beirdo, did you see that Animaonline stuff?

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: http://awapi.codeplex.com/

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Beirdo:

interesting

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Beirdo:

well, the short-term replacement shouldn't take long to get in

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kormoc:

oh huh

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kormoc:

Weather.com has a public API

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skd5aner:

wunderground.com has a decent one, well documented it appears

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skd5aner:

oh well, good luck Beirdo – thanks for taking on the challenge

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kormoc:

that said, it requires clickable links

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kormoc:

and there's always YQL

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skd5aner:

Eh, screw scientific weather forecasts – can't we just get a feed of the Farmer's Almanac entry for the day and 3 and 6 days out?

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kormoc:

Nah, Franklin is sub licensing that data from the mole people

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J-e-f-f-A:

... besides... isn't the issue the *images*, not the 'simple' weather data like current conditions, and temps/conditions for the next few days?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Because we can get the 'simple' data from tons of different sources legally, right? ;-)

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, the images are the ones they most want to keep their own

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, they have "Future-dar" computer generated radar in the future, that's *expensive* to license

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: There's also the IANALBIDKSIDLITUS folks... "I Am Not A Lawyer But I Don't Care Since I Don't Live In The United States" – ie the ones that insist on discussing forbidden topics... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, understood. It's just too bad, since it's not like we're removing the weather.com logo from the images and claiming they are our own...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jeepers, lost 1/3 of the channel with that one!

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wagnerrp_:

how do you think i feel, i lost 2/3 of it on my end

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Beirdo_:

stupid network

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johnnyj:

i blame Al Gore

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kormoc:

DEATH TO THE NETWORK (Disconnected)

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Beirdo:

!list

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: are you old enough to remember this? NO CARR@#^$@*&%^

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Beirdo:

vividly :)

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johnnyj:

ha

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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johnnyj:

followed by 'DAD – HANG UP THE PHONE!'

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Beirdo:

1200 baud was my first connection out of the house

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AndyCap:

!pike

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Beirdo:

pike?

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Beirdo:

!trout freenode netsplit

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** MythLogBot slaps freenode with a netsplit trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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wagnerrp:

you know, a big pole with an axe on the end

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AndyCap:

or a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Esox_lucius_Drawing.svg

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AndyCap:

gives better performance than any otter slapping fish except the Fugu and the greater weever

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skd5aner:

ALRIGHT! WHO connected directly to the trunk line at CSU!?

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skd5aner:

s/CSU/CTU

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skd5aner:

(got my TV shows mixed up)

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skd5aner:

Law & Order, 24 – same difference (as the kids used to say)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, I was just asked to look into implementing an LDAP client into our mainframe hosted application... this outta be fun... (30yo app that runs on Tandem)

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: as long as you don't mix up csu and dsu

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kormoc:

skd5aner, Lies! L&O:SVU > L&O*, 24

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J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: Yeah, speaking of that... (24 & the tthat was pretty lame... not very technically accurate IMHO!

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gbee:

is anyone still watching L&O? We've only got 1/3 of the series in the UK and already I'm tired of it

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Beirdo:

I watch it as a default when all else on the TV is extra crappy

[18:10:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

er... (24 & the "trunk line")

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kormoc:

gbee, I watch SVU, L&O and L&O:Ci are both canceled

[18:11:41]

gbee:

kormoc: interesting, I didn't know they'd been cancelled

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gbee:

even SVU has been recycling plots for a while and seemingly has nothing new to offer, at least that's my opinion, not knocking anyone who feels differently

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gbee:

I still record the lot as filler, like Beirdo, but even so I find I'm watching them less and less

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johnnyj:

i caught a particularly bad instance of SVU this past weekend in the hotel room

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Beirdo:

tonight will be "try to get playback working", "lirc ir transmit via HDPVR" and "mythweather maps" night for me :)

[18:20:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gee... 87 and thunderstorms at my house, yet sunny at work (15 miles east...) Welcome to New England... ;-)

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justinh:

you know, if TV dramas were bound to be accurate they'd end up very very boring ;)

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Beirdo:

I did a test recording last night... the HDPVR happily recorded whatever crap I was tuned to... but I couldn't play it back in the frontend

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Beirdo:

it went like one frame in and stayed there

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Beirdo:

so I'll be messing with playback profiles.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: You didn't get vdpow-pow working?

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johnnyj:

justinh: i should stick to SciFi then

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Beirdo:

mplayer played it fine, the TV even played it fine

[18:21:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: What video card did you get? Does it have >= 512MB ram?

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Beirdo:

it's a 9500GT

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Beirdo:

and I'm not sure

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I only have 256 megs of ram on my card and vdpau works fine with 2x temporal de-interlacing on 1080i content at 13.5 mbit/set

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Well, try "VDPAU Slim"first and see what happens. ;-)

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so personally I find the whole 'requires 512 mb ram' thing kinda absurd

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i thought you got random garbage when trying to use vdpau

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that was a old card that is no more with us

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wagnerrp:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ah... one of my cards has just 256 and is really 'finiky' as to what it will play...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, now I have a mac-mini with a built-in card which also means I really don't want to fry it... :P

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Beirdo:

256, perhaps

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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Beirdo:

hehe, please don't fry it

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Beirdo:

it will take a bit of tweakage, but I'm sure it will work fine

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wagnerrp:

i imagine it depends on the video stream as to how much memory you need

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Beirdo:

vdpau liked it fine under mplayer, so I'm pretty sure it's a profile issue

[18:24:54]

wagnerrp:

i.e.: HDPVR content works fine on 256MB, but maybe bluray content doesnt

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kormoc:

that could be

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kormoc:

no BR here

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wagnerrp:

too large frame size, too many reference frames, etc...

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

good to know

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, I hear ya. I was one of those guys that had 720p/1080i playing on a PIII using XVMC... and nobody else could get it to work on that slow of a cpu... I guess I was somewhat lucky. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(maybe it was just 720p – but it worked... as long as the OSD wasn't on-screen... hehehhe)

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wagnerrp:

of course its possible all the people who were complaining were running re-compressed downloaded 1080p with 47 reference frames the card had to keep in memory

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Do you have a HD-PVR?

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kormoc:

Yes I do

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ok. ;-) That's my source for 'tough' h.264 hd also... ;-)

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Beirdo:

I'm sure the lirc ir transmit onthe HDPVR won't be too hard. I seem to remember it even being on the wiki :)

[18:27:52]

Beirdo:

just didn't get to it

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kormoc:

I can do the advanced 2x on 720p content, just not 1080i, but the temporal 2x is fine

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skd5aner:

kormoc: yes, I agree, but I was just saying that Law & Order:* Calls their forensic's unit "CSU – Crime Scene Unit" so they don't say "CSI", and 24 calls their main counter-terrisom department "CTU – Counter Terrorism Unit" which is also what they call their building

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kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

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skd5aner:

oh yes, and the Original Law and Order was not renewed... too bad, I love Jack McCoy!

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skd5aner:

what a run though!

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Beirdo:

boo. They shoulda made more

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but yeah, what a run

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Beirdo:

and it will be in re-runs for the rest of our lives, probably... much like MASH

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skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: yea, stupid trunk line episode "If I only Chloe could hack directly into the trunk rather than bypassing it, we could get all our computers up and running less than an hour after the direct EMP blast"

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skd5aner:

:P

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Beirdo:

trunk is for SVN.

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: And apparently they sourced the building power from that 'trunk line' too...

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Beirdo:

single point of failure FTL

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I think on TNT you can watch like 30 episodes a week, haha

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Beirdo:

yup

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skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: and apparently EMP destroyed equipment can work again!

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Beirdo:

about that

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J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: Yeah, no kidding.

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skd5aner:

fun times

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skd5aner:

Even my wife was like "uh, I think they'd be down for a few months"

[18:34:05]

skd5aner:

and she doesn't nit-pick techno faux-pas in movies/tvs like I do

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skd5aner:

speaking of L&O – I did really enjoy the last episode

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skd5aner:

the guy trying to shoot up the school, and Jack threating the crap out the teachers union's lawyer

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skd5aner:

awesome

[18:35:22]

kormoc:

I wonder how much Mr. Wolf made

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skd5aner:

enough that he didn't have to do produce anything else besides L&O spinoffs

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Beirdo:

why'd he want to?

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skd5aner:

I don't know, look at people like Jerry Bruckhiemer... produce everything under the sun

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kormoc:

perhaps he's actually a psycho killer and this is his way to keep the blood lust down

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skd5aner:

or Mark Burnett

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

I would say 30–40% of shows are probably produced by those 2 alone anymore

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skd5aner:

(yes, wild guess, but seems that way)

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skd5aner:

I wonder if either of them use MythTV ;P

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if either of them even watch TV

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, these people on the -users ML are going to turn me into the weather Nazi if they don't wise up :)

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: he probably has a http://www.snapstream.com/enterprise/buynow/default.aspx :P

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wagnerrp:

Jason Ward isnt allowed to talk about legal advice

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Beirdo:

s/about legal advice//

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Beirdo:

ahhh, I turned on the snark a bit for that last one

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wagnerrp:

maybe it wasnt him

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wagnerrp:

i though he asked a week or so ago about mythvideo filename handling for shows that had crap like '720p' in the name

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Beirdo:

yeah well. it will wear really thin real fast.

[18:45:42]

Beirdo:

that was him?

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Beirdo:

our buccaneer....

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Your reply didn't seem that harsh... ;-) Short & to the point!

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AndyCap:

mythvideo can't handle arrrcordings?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

mythvideo wanna cracker...

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: Why don't you just make it easy on yourself and publish your *own* daily forecasts for myth. Problem solved

[18:47:10]

AndyCap:

every day, hot and sunny.

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Beirdo:

be easy enough for Seattle

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wagnerrp:

with a high chance of rain

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skd5aner:

repeat

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Beirdo:

random temp between 55F and 65F, overcast

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AndyCap:

hmm, why the hell not. see how long before someone files a bug?

[18:47:44]

Beirdo:

that should get a majority of the year :)

[18:47:50]

AndyCap:

just put it on services.mythtv.org? :P

[18:48:08]

Beirdo:

heh, nah, I'd rather spend the time forklifting mythgallery

[18:48:16]

skd5aner:

why don't you ahve google voice integration in myth yet :P

[18:48:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehe... it's 85F here now, with a heat index of 100–104 !!! (very high humidity right now...)

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wagnerrp:

ah, he was talking about 'HD MKVs'

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Beirdo:

heh

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skd5aner:

also, why doesn't anyone ever address /my/ wishlist items for myth?!

[18:48:42]

Beirdo:

yeah, him. Arrrrrr

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justinh:

wagnerrp: don't broadcasters use MKV themselves?

[18:48:56]

** wagnerrp congratulates skd5aner for volunteering to resurrect mythphone **

[18:49:05]

Beirdo:

hahahaha

[18:49:11]

Beirdo:

open mouth, insert foot

[18:49:19]

skd5aner:

sure, but I'm going to use copyrighted images ALL OVER THE PLACE!

[18:49:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, we could get the perl guy to re-write mythweather in a few lines of perl... (or was it python?) hehehehe

[18:49:32]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: we could :)

[18:49:40]

justinh:

skd5aner: nah, just insert ads into the phonecalls

[18:49:50]

wagnerrp:

hah... mythtv in 1700 lines of perl

[18:49:53]

Beirdo:

it's half in perl already... but I think the original moronic request was mythweb to python

[18:50:03]

wagnerrp:

ive got like 5k lines of python in the interface bindings alone

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wagnerrp:

and it just keeps growing

[18:50:30]

justinh:

what was ohlo.com's last count of lines of c++ in mythtv again?

[18:50:31]

Beirdo:

my streaming radio grabber code's more than 1700 lines, I'm sure (in perl)

[18:50:40]

wagnerrp:

justinh: that doesnt count

[18:50:52]

wagnerrp:

because they track duplicate code from all the branches

[18:50:53]

skd5aner:

justinh: "What'd you do today?" "I went to the pool today... BZZZZ... GET YOUR POOL CLEANED TODAY, CALL TRI-STATE POOL CLEANERS TODAY, JUST PUSH 1!.... BZZZ... uh, you still there?"

[18:51:07]

Beirdo:

436567 of C++ code

[18:51:07]

wagnerrp:

its nowhere near the 2.5M lines theyre reporting

[18:51:31]

Beirdo:

832092 of XML

[18:51:32]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:51:32]

justinh:

wagnerrp: they count the blank lines ;)

[18:51:44]

Beirdo:

that's the number without blank lines

[18:51:57]

justinh:

and only TWO lines of comments. sheesh no wonder nobody contributes

[18:52:01]

justinh:

;)

[18:52:10]

justinh:

skd5aner: LOL

[18:52:25]

skd5aner:

justinh: everytime I comment on the code, I'm told to stop

[18:52:39]

skd5aner:

justin: OHHHH, Developer comments... eh, over-rated

[18:52:49]

skd5aner:

;)

[18:52:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, about 40 lines of that is mine!!! ;-) (Ok, just one patch, but hey...) [yeah, it's time to get off my booty and working on patches again!]

[18:52:51]

Beirdo:

I'll give you developer comments

[18:52:58]

justinh:

software is all overrated. so are computers

[18:52:59]

Beirdo:

but I'd get banned from the channel :)

[18:53:17]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro isn't here... so who'd ban you?

[18:53:29]

Beirdo:

me

[18:53:30]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:53:32]

skd5aner:

OHHHH! That's right, I said it!

[18:53:34]

skd5aner:

j/k ;)

[18:53:38]

justinh:

I want to slap whoever keeps calling mythtv a product

[18:53:44]

Beirdo:

it is a product

[18:53:50]

Beirdo:

just not really

[18:53:54]

wagnerrp:

got any administrative code in mythlogbot?

[18:54:13]

Beirdo:

no, I've been meaning to have a way to floodban, etc

[18:54:14]

justinh:

it's the product of a lot of people's tireless effort.. and a lot of whining ;)

[18:54:17]

Beirdo:

but never got to it

[18:54:23]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: don't you have several patches in trac waiting for reveiw? Or is that someone else?

[18:54:32]

Beirdo:

and auto-quiet the cursers :)

[18:54:34]

Beirdo:

muhahah

[18:54:40]

justinh:

Beirdo: and dustybin

[18:54:43]

justinh:

:D

[18:54:49]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:55:00]

justinh:

or just leave us alone together.. me with a chainsaw

[18:55:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: probably somebody else... I've only gotten one in over the years – for the lcd server to display the big clock in the configured format instead of being hardcoded to 24-hour format. ;-)

[18:55:19]

Beirdo:

considered a karma type of plugin too

[18:55:28]

skd5aner:

oh please no

[18:55:31]

justinh:

I thought emmm cee who was annoying. oh boy

[18:55:36]

skd5aner:

then people would just want to talk more

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Beirdo:

well, negative karma :)

[18:55:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

got to thinking the other day.. maybe some people who get on my nuts have aspergers or something. or maybe I have

[18:57:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: You must watch "My Name Is Earl", no? ;-)

[18:57:12]

skd5aner:

RIP Earl

[18:57:17]

Beirdo:

?

[18:57:20]

Beirdo:

Earl?

[18:57:21]

kormoc:

Canceled

[18:57:22]

justinh:

meh. it was going nowhere

[18:57:32]

kormoc:

I enjoyed it

[18:57:36]

justinh:

me too

[18:57:37]

skd5aner:

mmmmmm... Catalina

[18:57:42]

skd5aner:

Jumping for "Joy"

[18:57:47]

justinh:

but there was only so far it could go

[18:57:58]

Beirdo:

Memphis Blues (I think it's called) is OK

[18:58:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I started watching it because of the 73 ElCamino. ;-) /me has a 73 Chevelle..

[18:58:04]

skd5aner:

"I will jump for you, Earl, but I will not jump for Joy"

[18:58:24]

kormoc:

Hey there crab man

[18:58:29]

Beirdo:

I do not want a car as old as me...

[18:58:31]

skd5aner:

hehe

[18:58:33]

Beirdo:

I want one older...

[18:58:46]

Beirdo:

mmmm, Volvo P1800E :)

[18:58:53]

justinh:

now there's a series you can remember character names from... unlike say er... SnoreForward

[18:58:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Hehehe... my care is 5 years younger than me... ;-)

[18:58:56]

Beirdo:

some other decade

[18:59:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

'car' even... hehehe

[19:00:15]

justinh:

wish there was some way to find out about good new shows & see which channels are picking em up here & when

[19:01:00]

skd5aner:

justinh: I miss channel surfing for that reason sometimes

[19:01:17]

justinh:

like... a trails channel :P

[19:01:18]

skd5aner:

I'm so locked into my shows, that I never discover new stuff unless it's promoted

[19:01:33]

justinh:

yeah,, and I hate the popup kinda promotion

[19:01:41]

AndyCap:

and this is why I watch live tv. :P

[19:01:45]

Beirdo:

Oooh, you guys dreaming up some code to write? Thanks for volunteering :)

[19:01:48]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:02:03]

justinh:

we've got digitalspy over here (a website) but they tend to go ape over stuff I find appalling

[19:02:06]

justinh:

Glee, for example

[19:02:07]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: justinh and I will dream up code to write ALL DAY LONG

[19:02:25]

gbee:

justinh: DigitalSpy have a 'premiere' list, showing new shows/channel with time/date of the first episode, it's far from complete and sometimes it doesn't get updated enough, but it's the best I've found

[19:03:04]

skd5aner:

but... sometimes I don't need to just see a premier, which is nice...

[19:03:14]

skd5aner:

but other shows I enjoy mid-stream

[19:03:21]

skd5aner:

something like "Pawn Stars" on history channel

[19:03:25]

justinh:

I was terminating my structured cat5 cables while glee was on in the other room. I had to crawl out of the cupboard, dust myself off & go into the lounge to turn the TV off – SO annoying was the dialogue. I thought it was Alvin & the frickin Chipmunks

[19:03:46]

skd5aner:

I discovered that when I travelled to see the in-laws last Christmas and was flipping through the TV

[19:03:57]

skd5aner:

probably wouldn't have even known about it otherwise

[19:04:22]

Beirdo:

Pawn Stars is cool. Thanks for turning me onto that one, kormoc :)

[19:04:31]

Beirdo:

dunno why the heck it's on History Channel though

[19:04:40]

gbee:

it's a bare list too, although some measure of their taste is injected into the choices (US shows dominate) at least you don't have to read their gushing opinions of shows aimed at a teenage (or homosexual) demographic

[19:05:23]

skd5aner:

Saw a hilarious show the other day after I extended a sporting event a few hours and they aired some shows to fill the time... "All worked up" – they follow repo guys and process servers, it's like if Jerry Springer and Cops made a baby-show

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gbee:

don't read anything into that btw, they really do recommend a lot of makeover/top model/musical stuff

[19:05:38]

skd5aner:

I guarentee it's not winning any awards

[19:06:10]

Beirdo:

gbee: yeah, too many of those shows for me...

[19:06:16]

skd5aner:

but a great filler show when I just want something on in the background and don't want to pay 100% attention – which is the other thing that myth has driven me to do. Everything that records is something I want to pay attention to

[19:06:27]

Beirdo:

it's fine if ya like it... but what about the rest of us?

[19:06:34]

skd5aner:

Sometimes I'm cleaning or walking around and just want something on

[19:07:44]

Beirdo:

cleaning?

[19:07:54]

Beirdo:

turn in your man badge :)

[19:08:06]

skd5aner:

yea, I probably shouldn't lie like that in public huh?

[19:08:18]

skd5aner:

who am I kidding

[19:08:20]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:08:22]

justinh:

I never understand musicals. like supposedly sane people bursting into song spontaneously.. flames on the other hand...

[19:08:31]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:09:02]

skd5aner:

justinh: my wife has become "one of those people" who can't wait for the next Glee to come on :'(

[19:09:13]

justinh:

trade er in :D

[19:09:22]

skd5aner:

too many other good qualities

[19:09:30]

Beirdo:

she's allowed.

[19:09:42]

skd5aner:

if that's what I have to put up with, I'm lucky – all things considered

[19:09:43]

justinh:

I put up with a lot in this house, like all the soaps.. but at least she isn't interested in Hollyoaks or Glee

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skd5aner:

oh gosh, I'm so glad it isn't soaps

[19:09:59]

skd5aner:

that was my mom

[19:10:06]

skd5aner:

General Hospital – ugh

[19:10:13]

skd5aner:

was/is

[19:10:34]

skd5aner:

at least I never knew anyone who called them "their stories"

[19:10:36]

Beirdo:

OK, who's the wanker playing Billy Idol on speakers?

[19:10:41]

skd5aner:

"Hush up, my stories are on"

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justinh:

Beirdo: here's your gun again sir

[19:11:03]

Beirdo:

I like Billy Idol, but this is an office, people

[19:11:12]

justinh:

yay my camreycorder has been dispatched

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gbee:

*shudder*

[19:12:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: You're going to tape Toyotas?

[19:12:06]

justinh:

Beirdo: I messed around with Ableton Live the other day to emulate a python script I heard about which makes mp3 tracks 'swing'... I made White Wedding swing. hilarious

[19:12:34]

Beirdo:

swing?

[19:12:35]

Beirdo:

heheh

[19:12:38]

justinh:

also Love Shack.. and a bunch of other songs just for kicks.

[19:14:21]

Beirdo:

ahhh, this is nice

[19:14:33]

Beirdo:

Beatles – Michelle... on headphones

[19:14:56]

justinh:

heh I can't get away with what passed for stereo back then

[19:15:16]

sidh:

greetings

[19:15:30]

Beirdo:

I still like old Beatles songs

[19:15:42]

justinh:

ugh, how cruddy does soundcloud make everything? arghh

[19:15:53]

Beirdo:

and (control over ones own environment)++

[19:17:01]

sidh:

excuse me I would need your help: yesterday i watched tv with mythbuntu without a problem, and today, when i want to watch tv, i get a message in french that says : "Error : MythTV uses all entries, but there is none active recordings"

[19:18:23]

skd5aner:

sidh: en français s'il vous plaît

[19:18:31]

skd5aner:

sidh: just kidding ;)

[19:18:45]

sidh:

any idea, i can't some detail in /var/log/myth{back,front}end.log

[19:19:27]

justinh:

mythtv thinks it's using all your tuner(s) input(s), but there are no recordings in progress

[19:19:42]

justinh:

rebooted in the meantime?

[19:20:00]

skd5aner:

justinh: maybe there's a permissions problem on your tuners, or switchup in mappings of /dev/video#, etc

[19:20:08]

skd5aner:

sorry, not justinh

[19:20:09]

skd5aner:

sidh

[19:20:35]

justinh:

that error is usually a user's setup problem

[19:20:59]

justinh:

which can be caused by devices moving nodes.. or.. just general little things

[19:21:40]

gbee:

trunk users, can anyone not in the UK/US post the "Current locale" line from near the beginning of their logs? I want to make sure some of my assumptions are correct

[19:21:51]

sidh:

ok i check

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gbee:

sidh: did you change the permissions on the cards to your user? Or add your user to the video group? The permissions on device nodes will be reset either by a reboot or a security script, you need to match your user's permissions instead

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skd5aner:

he did say he was using mythbuntu, doesn't that set the permissions correctly?

[19:24:33]

skd5aner:

I would assume, as I've never used it

[19:25:53]

sidh:

gbee: the user that is running mythbackend in ps -aux ?

[19:26:35]

gbee:

skd5aner: it should, I overlooked that

[19:27:08]

gbee:

sidh: forget what I said, you might find help specific to mythbuntu in #mythbuntu

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sidh:

no gbee i've made some perms changes yesterday

[19:28:42]

sidh:

i think it could be the problem

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gbee:

ah

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Beirdo:

OK, I really need to get an amp, and start messing with my bass again

[19:33:58]

ThisOtherGuy:

Hi all – I just svn up'd trunk and when I try to run "scan for audio devices" I get "ALSA, Error: snd_pcm_info_get_card: Operation not permitted" any ideas?

[19:34:41]

skd5aner:

permissions? user part of audio group?

[19:34:44]

justinh:

ThisOtherGuy: user not in the audio group? just fishing

[19:34:51]

skd5aner:

no idea, just guessing

[19:35:03]

gbee:

ThisOtherGuy: anything else? AFAIK that's just a warning despite being labelled as an error, unless there are other symptoms it can be ignored

[19:35:04]

skd5aner:

justinh: mind meld

[19:35:08]

justinh:

bzzzzt

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ThisOtherGuy:

gbee: the first thing I noticed was a segfault when I tried to play something

[19:35:55]

ThisOtherGuy:

lemme try again

[19:38:10]

sidh:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 5 2010-06–28 21:14 dvr0

[19:38:24]

sidh:

what does 212 mean ?

[19:39:06]

wagnerrp:

major

[19:40:02]

ThisOtherGuy:

some shows segfault, some have a grey overlay and no sound

[19:40:38]

gbee:

ThisOtherGuy: the latter doesn't sound like it's related to the sound changes

[19:41:18]

sidh:

skd5aner: which user

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sidh:

?

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ThisOtherGuy:

gbee: removing "override src quality" seems to have stopped the segfaults

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skd5aner:

sidh: which user should you put in the video group?

[19:54:48]

skd5aner:

sidh: whatever user that runs mythbackend

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skd5aner:

headline at ./ – "Facebook usage hits 16 billion minutes a day" – I wonder how many minutes of TV are watched a day via MythTV

[19:57:12]

skd5aner:

or recorded a day at least

[19:58:06]

Beirdo:

way way too many :)

[19:58:43]

sidh:

i ran mythtv setup and set generic for both tuner

[19:58:46]

sidh:

it seems to work know

[19:58:49]

sidh:

now

[19:58:58]

Beirdo:

and I hope to make that number increase real soon :)

[20:00:31]

sidh:

btw if there is some french users , the xmltv grabber seems to be unavailable (telepoche)

[20:00:37]

sidh:

is there another one to use ?

[20:04:41]

skd5aner:

sidh: I know there are french users because I've seen french translations be committed in the last release, however – I'm not sure if any are present in the IRC channel today

[20:05:01]

skd5aner:

"BBC to create Internet Protocol TV standard"

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Jay2k1:

hum, my scheduled recordings list is empty all of a sudden

[20:11:46]

Jay2k1:

even if i choose to record a show that starts within the next hour

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Jay2k1:

and i haven't the slightest idea how to track this down :x

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justinh:

mythbackend --resched has fixed it for me on those rare occasions it used to happen

[20:16:57]

Jay2k1:

didnt help here

[20:17:11]

Jay2k1:

but i just did an extended check in mythweb -> settings -> database

[20:17:15]

Jay2k1:

now it's there again

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justinh:

maybe it did help but it just took time for all the rescheduling to complete

[20:18:06]

justinh:

the big ugly scheduler query is.. er.. umm... big & ugly

[20:18:34]

Jay2k1:

there wasn't hdd activity tho

[20:18:48]

Jay2k1:

the hd started to rattle when i initiated the table check

[20:19:10]

Jay2k1:

after it stopped rattling, scheduled recordings were bac

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EvilGuru:

"Steven Seagal: Lawman" — how is this *not* marked as a comedy show

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kormoc:

if a extended check fixed it, it's from a corrupt index

[20:29:14]

kormoc:

EvilGuru, cause it's annoying and dull?

[20:30:29]

Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, but I think if he was the arresting officer, you'd be scared to get kicked :)

[20:31:10]

AndyCap:

EvilGuru: he's no match for John Bunnell?

[20:31:11]

** EvilGuru would be scared of going direct-to-video **

[20:31:44]

justinh:

EvilGuru: same reason Xfactor is marked 'entertainment' and big brother 'documentary' :-\

[20:32:14]

EvilGuru:

justinh: As is that 'got talent' trash

[20:32:34]

benny_:

Hello everyone, I'm testing out MythTV 0.24.0~trunk25179 – with MythBuntu 10.04 – weekly builds, anyone can help me the sound configuration ?

[20:32:49]

kormoc:

I have to believe some of those got talent acts are plants, no way they could be that horrible in real life

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kormoc:

benny_, turn off/uninstall pulse audio, and set it to ALSA:default and call it good?

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benny_:

- To clarify – pulse-audio is turned off /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf – and I got problem to get Digital 5.1 working

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benny_:

I got this error msg from mythfrontend "ALSA, Error: Channels count 6 not available: Invalid argument", and it start hapening from some of latest trunk revisions

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benny_:

kormoc: If I set speaker configuration to Stereo, it works, but no surround. If I set speaker configuration to 5.1 + "Up convert to 5.1" then it crash, with ALSA:default also works

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gbee:

ThisOtherGuy: please can you file a ticket for the segfault with a backtrace and explaining how disabling that setting prevents the crash? File it under the Audio component

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EvilGuru:

I am tweaking the volume knob on my Antec Veris case (Mythbuntu config). The it works; however there appears to be a repeat delay, but lircrc has no such delay

[20:50:05]

EvilGuru:

Could myth have some sort of time-out for key-presses?

[20:51:32]

gbee:

Attention trunk users, can anyone not in the UK/US post the "Current locale" line from near the beginning of their logs please?

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benny_:

gbee: which log ?

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gbee:

alternatively just post usernames/password for ssh to the channel and I'll do it myself

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gbee:

benny_: frontend or backend

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benny_:

2010-06–28 22:29:05.064 Current locale en_US

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benny_:

2010-06–28 22:29:05.064 No locale defaults file for en_US, skipping

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benny_:

oops, sorry, I should have Swedish locae ...

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gbee:

no, that tells me that something isn't quite right

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gbee:

your system language is Swedish?

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benny_:

nope – LANG=en_US.UTF-8

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benny_:

but I can give that a try

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gbee:

thanks, I want to check that the values we're getting are correct

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ThisOtherGuy:

gbee: will do when wife gives up the tv

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gbee:

otherwise all the automatic configuration stuff just won't work as expected

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gbee:

ThisOtherGuy: thanks, just want to make sure it gets fixed

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ThisOtherGuy:

np

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Beirdo:

OMG, Iron Maiden sounds lame without the right amount of bass

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gbee:

Beirdo: either that, or for the first time you're hearing it with the correct bass level ;)

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Beirdo:

I can barely hear the bass at all

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Beirdo:

CD added to my wish list :)

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Beirdo:

Iron Maiden – Fear of the Dark...

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wagnerrp:

aww... skd5aner... #8584

[21:01:03]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yes?

[21:01:21]

wagnerrp:

'please attach all output as a file in bug reports'

[21:01:26]

wagnerrp:

and you pasted it in directly

[21:01:28]

wagnerrp:

:P

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skd5aner:

lol

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kormoc:

and it's a dup!

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benny_:

finally: 2010-06–28 23:01:28.065 Current locale sv_SE

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benny_:

2010-06–28 23:01:28.065 No locale defaults file for sv_SE, skipping

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skd5aner:

kormoc: indeed :(

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benny_:

well, everything except the date/time is still in english

[21:02:40]

gbee:

heh, that advice only changed recently, personally speaking I like seeing it up front, makes ticket review faster

[21:02:57]

benny_:

is there any Swedish translation done for MythTV ?

[21:03:04]

** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the trout **

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wagnerrp:

gbee: my complaint with doing it that way is searches for things become worthless

[21:03:27]

skd5aner:

next ticket, I'll put the entire bug report in a .txt file for you, and just say "please open file for details"

[21:03:29]

skd5aner:

;)

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gbee:

benny_: thanks, I just need to now that it would report the correct value, in this case sv_SE, not much is hooked up to that code yet so I'd not expect any noticeable changes in myth

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wagnerrp:

for example, i search for 'python' issues, get a couple thousand responses... 99% of which are completely unrelated tickets with using_python listed

[21:04:29]

wagnerrp:

using_bindings_python, rather

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, that makes sense... but can you qualify the search to filter out -using_bindings_python or something like that?

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skd5aner:

I'm assuming the answer is that trac's search isn't that smart

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gbee:

trac's search is dumber than Paris Hilton

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wagnerrp:

i can search by summary, but that doesnt always cut it

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** J-e-f-f-A chuckles **

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wagnerrp:

now ideally, stuff would be put in the proper component, and i wouldnt have to search for things

[21:07:11]

wagnerrp:

but you know how that works...

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ThisOtherGuy:

gbee: I tried ~10 combinations and couldn't reproduce the segfault – sorry

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Beirdo:

gbee: that's a great quote

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gbee:

ThisOtherGuy: oh well, thanks anyway, maybe mention it to jya, he may have an idea

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Hal-Emmerich:

Heya, how's it going? Any chance I could get some help with Mythgame configuration? Its being a pill

[21:20:57]

Hal-Emmerich:

lol

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sphery:

skd5aner: btw, they were talking about the GUI channel icon selector in mythtv-setup, not the channels.pl (or whatever) script in contrib

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Hal-Emmerich:

I have fceux installed and configured. I set up several rom directories and put (for sake of legality, we'll say public domain) roms inside.

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justinh:

sigh

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skd5aner:

sphery: I know... I need to go play with it again, it's been a long while

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Hal-Emmerich:

hey Justin

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justinh:

you just had to say ROMs

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sphery:

ok, since you were talking about text-based, I wasn't sure if you knew about the mythtv-setup one

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Hal-Emmerich:

Fair enough

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** J-e-f-f-A can't help as he's never setup mythgame yet... **

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justinh:

I set it up a few times to theme it, but have never actually used it in anger

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Hal-Emmerich:

I tried telling it to scan for games after defining a player (fceux %s), and it comes up empty handed each time.

[21:24:41]

Hal-Emmerich:

Tried directories in /home, /usr and /var, set chmod to 777 on each and tried switching owner from my user to mythtv and back

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Hal-Emmerich:

or rather, ran chmod 777 to phrase it correctly

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wagnerrp:

gah....

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wagnerrp:

i updated my system, including mythtv

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justinh:

if in doubt just stab all your directories til stuff works :)

[21:27:22]

wagnerrp:

turns out mythtv compiled, and then some firewire stuff compiled

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv was built against an old version of the firewire libs

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wagnerrp:

and failed to run

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skd5aner:

sphery: np, thanks. I tried it a while back (.21-fixes maybe)? and it didn't give me great results

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skd5aner:

I'm going to launch it now, refamiliarize myself with it

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ha – for a second I though you were repeating somthing you read in a mailing list message... DOH!

[21:32:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I finally updated my system from FC8 to FC13 this weekend... hit a few speed bumps along the way, so I feel your pain...

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skd5aner:

where does it save the channel icons to? ~/.mythtv/channels?

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sphery:

skd5aner: yes (another thing which needs fixing)

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skd5aner:

)

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skd5aner:

:)

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Hal-Emmerich:

I can not figure out why MythGame isn't picking up these roms

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Hal-Emmerich:

I've duplicated exactly the permissions and ownership of a folder I know it can read.

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skd5aner:

ahhh, the GUI icon downloader seems to grab all the lower quality jpgs and not the higher quality .pngs

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: i actually updated my backend a week ago, i just havent rebooted until now

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Hal-Emmerich:

Hey guys, quick question

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wagnerrp:

quick answer

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Hal-Emmerich:

What does it mean when you run ls, and it gives something with a background thats green

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Hal-Emmerich:

like

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Hal-Emmerich:

test

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Hal-Emmerich:

>.> Ignore the color of the word test itself

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wagnerrp:

that depends on what your current color spec says

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Hal-Emmerich:

Default ubuntu

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kormoc:

for me, that's impossible

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wagnerrp:

do 'ls -l' to get the permissions on the file

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Hal-Emmerich:

I did

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wagnerrp:

it may mean executable, it may mean directory

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Hal-Emmerich:

ahh, thats it

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gbee:

skd5aner: when it was written the HQ versions didn't exist

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Hal-Emmerich:

its being treated as an executable

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kormoc:

might be worth asking in #ubuntu if it's ubuntu specific

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skd5aner:

gbee: gotcha

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justinh:

yeah green is +x

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Hal-Emmerich:

STILL nothing with Scan for Games

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Beirdo:

wunderbar

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Hal-Emmerich:

I don't get what I'm missing. I made the directory, set its permissions, owner and group to match a working folder (/var/lib/mythtv/mythgame)

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Hal-Emmerich:

Told mythtv where it was in the player configuration

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Hal-Emmerich:

I run Scan for Games and it just pops up and immediately disappears

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Beirdo:

the frontend logs may say something relevant

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kormoc:

Hal-Emmerich, http://wiki.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythGame_Emulation

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Hal-Emmerich:

tried it, it doesn't mention what to do if the roms don't show up in the first place

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Hal-Emmerich:

nm.. think I -may- have found the issue

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Hal-Emmerich:

Nope.

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saintdev:

are user jobs started as soon as a recording starts, or are they delayed until it finishes?

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saintdev:

(assuming an empty queue)

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Beirdo:

Isn't that a setting?

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kormoc:

Does anyone remember TinyVNC?

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saintdev:

i know it's a setting for commercial flagging

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kormoc:

finished

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Beirdo:

Now playing... a good theme song... Weird Al – Dare To Be Stupid

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saintdev:

well that's unfortunate. thanks kormoc

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I remember "TightVNC" – probably a close cousin... ;-)

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kormoc:

heh

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sid3windr:

tight like a tiger

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kormoc:

I think I'm going insane, can't find tinyvnc anywhere

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sid3windr:

or do I mean toight like a toiger!

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clever:

kormoc: in gentoo they switched over to tigervnc

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I get several hits on google, not sure if some are real or junk though... funny that 'tightvnc' is the 1st hit... ;-)

[23:01:16]

kormoc:

yeah

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clever:

tinyvnc was replaced with tightvnc which was replaced with tigervnc

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kormoc:

it's just crazy ether way (It's gone or I'm imagining it)

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gbee:

seems to have existed judging by some of the google results, but not for long enough to have made any significant impact it would seem

[23:02:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

I <3 NX... ;-)

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gbee:

more than one reference seems to directly, though not explicitly, link TinyVNC with TightVNC indicating it was renamed

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gbee:

or Tight evolved/branched from Tiny maybe, I don't remember Tiny

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've used TinyVNC to help friends & relatives on wintel boxes over the years... ;-)

[23:10:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

er.. TightVNC... hehehe

[23:12:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... even on the latest FC13 kernel, lirc_serial seems to have a bug where it isn't transmitting the header_pulse properly... at least not for the exceptionally long pulse needed by this dumb iptv box (40ms)

[23:14:40]

** J-e-f-f-A wonders if the MCEUSB blaster can handle this remote's weird protocol... **

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Hal-Emmerich:

Has anyone here ever actually set up mythgame? I'm getting the feeling nobody actually uses this ._.

[23:17:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hal-Emmerich: I had it running on an older version of Myth, but never set it up on newer versions as I didn't use it often enough...

[23:18:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hal-Emmerich: I'm building a standalone cabinet instead... ;-)

[23:19:20]

Hal-Emmerich:

can you possibly try to help me find out where I'm going wrong?

[23:20:06]

Hal-Emmerich:

I made a directory using sudo mkdir (we'll say its home/craig/emulators/nes/roms) for now

[23:23:20]

Hal-Emmerich:

I made a new player and gave it that as a rompath

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Hal-Emmerich:

both as roms/ and roms

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Hal-Emmerich:

Scanned for games

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Hal-Emmerich:

and neither adds roms to my tree

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wagnerrp:

tigervnc?

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Hal-Emmerich:

I have it installed, yeah

[23:25:04]

wagnerrp:

is that some fork of tight? because tight is still going

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wagnerrp:

theyve even got a new 2.0 release coming out

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Hal-Emmerich:

any thoughts J-e-f-f-A?

[23:26:19]

wagnerrp:

seems tigervnc is some illegitimate love child of tight and turbo

[23:26:28]

gbee:

Hal-Emmerich: nothing useful from logs?

[23:26:44]

Hal-Emmerich:

I checked the frontend log in system status, where is the actual log stored?

[23:27:00]

Hal-Emmerich:

the status was pretty useless

[23:27:19]

Hal-Emmerich:

Message from a few hours ago 'Have you run MythFillDatabase yet?'

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wagnerrp:

usually somewhere in /var/log

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gbee:

Hal-Emmerich: /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log usually, but it's up to the distro what it's called and where it's put

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wagnerrp:

the logs you see in the system status page are a rolling log in the database

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gbee:

and completely useless

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wagnerrp:

not likely to be more than info messages and critical errors

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wagnerrp:

not a whole lot actually prints to it

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Hal-Emmerich:

Yeah no. Nothing significant here

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gbee:

db log is a long forgotten and neglected feature, it's one of those things that needs love and attention (or dropping entirely)

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gbee:

Hal-Emmerich: try starting mythfrontend from a console, with the -v file option e.g. "mythfrontend -v file"

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gbee:

that will increase the log verbosity, might reveal something more

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gbee:

I know nothing about mythgame, possible that there is a config issue or a bug, it's not a heavily used plugin

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gbee:

if it weren't for GreyFoxx it probably would have been deleted before the 0.22 release

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wagnerrp:

and kormoc gets the quote of the day....

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Hal-Emmerich:

Nope, nothing in the verbose log

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Hal-Emmerich:

its not an error, whatever it is

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hal-Emmerich: sorry, was afk...

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Hal-Emmerich:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hal-Emmerich: but then again, I don't really have anything to add either... it was YEARS ago that I fiddled with mythgame... maybe I will again, but maybe not... ;-)

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** Hal-Emmerich rubs his forehead **

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Hal-Emmerich:

I just don't.. get this

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Hal-Emmerich:

... let me try an experiment.

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gbee:

might be the extensions? It's looking for something different? Could be that you need to configure the file extensions it should look for or similar

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Hal-Emmerich:

It says if you leave the extensions blank, it assumes anything in the folder is fair game

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Hal-Emmerich:

I just tried a test on a folder I know myth can access (the video folder) to see if it'd list a video as a rom

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gbee:

I could break open the code to check, and I'd happily do that, but not tonight I'm seconds from going to bed

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Hal-Emmerich:

Thanks anyway Gbee :) I appreciate the help you've given so far

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Beirdo:

night, gbee

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Hal-Emmerich:

Night gbee, and thanks again :

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Hal-Emmerich:

er :)

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Beirdo:

hahaah. That linkedin invite on -users ML still makes me chuckle

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Beirdo:

the button.... "Confirm that you know Jack"...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

obviously, Jack... knows Jack.

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Beirdo:

jack <BLEEP>

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Hal-Emmerich:

GOT IT

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kormoc:

it was in the tuna fish wasn't it?

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Hal-Emmerich:

To summarize. It was a massive permissions clusterF#*$. sudo mkdir makes the folder belong to root

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kormoc:

I would hope you wouldn't expect otherwise

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