| Sunday, June 27th, 2010, 00:16 UTC | ||
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| [00:20:11] | wagnerrp: | what does 'wi-fi' stand for? |
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| [00:39:51] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, wireless fidelity? |
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| [00:40:15] | wagnerrp: | certainly that makes no sense |
| [00:41:17] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I didn't create it, I just answered your question |
| [00:41:18] | tgm4883: | https://www.wi-fi.org/news_articles.php?f=med . . . p;news_id=62 |
| [00:41:27] | tgm4883: | do a find for fidelity |
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| [00:42:29] | wagnerrp: | 'wireless quality' makes no sense |
| [00:42:48] | wagnerrp: | quality/fidelity requires a modifier, and 'wireless' isnt one |
| [00:45:30] | tgm4883: | I stand by my statement of me not creating the name |
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| [01:08:43] | mzb: | wagnerrp: too much time on your hands? ;) |
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| [01:09:14] | wagnerrp: | have you seen the wiki today? |
| [01:09:21] | mzb: | nope |
| [01:09:40] | mzb: | I'm ... err ... busy |
| [01:09:43] | mzb: | (ish) |
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| [01:10:09] | mzb: | well .. for a Sunday morning, anyway .... it's all relative |
| [01:11:23] | mzb: | can't remember what it looked like before ... but it certainly looks pretty neat now |
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| [01:13:21] | wagnerrp: | i mean the 'recent changes' |
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| [01:15:18] | benklop: | evening everyone |
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| [01:18:41] | benklop: | i'm getting mythmusic playback too fast, but my reciever reports that the PCM audio it is being sent is at 44.1 khz |
| [01:18:53] | benklop: | any ideas about that? |
| [01:19:03] | mzb: | wagnerrp: ah, I see ... nice one |
| [01:19:08] | mzb: | (or two ..;)) |
| [01:19:21] | benklop: | i dont remermber having this issue in .21 |
| [01:21:18] | mzb: | 48kHz setting somewhere? |
| [01:21:48] | ** mzb goes back to the soldering iron ** | |
| [01:22:27] | benklop: | not to my knowledge. asoundrc is empty, audio is set to pass through to spdif, and mythmusic is set to follow the general mythtv settings |
| [01:23:02] | benklop: | actually asoundrc isn't empty, but it does not have anythin g in it that affects mythtv playback |
| [01:23:36] | benklop: | only saettings for apps that dont know about spdif |
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| [01:25:58] | benklop: | unless 48khz is set somewhere i forgot about.. |
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| [01:48:12] | betolley: | WIth my pvr 1800, I am trying to setup the digital channels. If I scan them I get weird channels like 18 |
| [01:48:18] | betolley: | gerrr sorry |
| [01:48:21] | betolley: | 18.1. |
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| [02:09:10] | wagnerrp: | betolley: how is that weird? |
| [02:12:15] | betolley: | How do I get channel data into myth for them? They all say No Data. They are not the correct channel numbers from the xmltv file |
| [02:12:52] | wagnerrp: | go into the channel editor, and set xmltvids for all of them |
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| [03:11:46] | rhollan: | There, back. Had to go offline to sign some certs. |
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| [04:15:49] | theboss: | can someone help me setup my wintv-hvr 1250 video capture card im on ubuntu 10.04 i run myth-setup and i dont see my card when trying to add it on adding capture card option unless it is listed as something else??? |
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| [04:17:09] | wagnerrp: | youve selected 'DVB capture card'? |
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| [04:18:41] | theboss: | no sorry i will try that |
| [04:18:48] | theboss: | i thought it would suggest the exact model |
| [04:18:55] | wagnerrp: | you have to select DVB as the card type |
| [04:19:20] | wagnerrp: | and then it will autodetect any cards of that type in your system, and provide a drop down for you to choose from |
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| [04:22:49] | theboss: | it didnt give me a list to choose from or anything but we'll see if this works i built out the database as it requested |
| [04:23:49] | theboss: | says now mythtv is using all active recordings but there are no inputs |
| [04:24:16] | wagnerrp: | because you havent set up the tuner card yet |
| [04:24:19] | wagnerrp: | there are no inputs |
| [04:25:54] | theboss: | hmm i wish i could leave my setup screeen up |
| [04:26:05] | theboss: | instead of exiting and having to come back in irc |
| [04:26:16] | theboss: | one sec lemme go back to setup and see if i can find my card |
| [04:26:28] | wagnerrp: | so run a second computer for IRC |
| [04:26:34] | wagnerrp: | or run mythtv-setup windowed |
| [04:26:54] | theboss: | how can i run it windowed |
| [04:31:11] | wagnerrp: | theres an '-O option=value' override for any of the options in the table |
| [04:31:28] | wagnerrp: | but for some reason, my mysql server is being funky, and not returning any queries |
| [04:31:37] | wagnerrp: | so i cant tell what that specific option is |
| [04:31:51] | wagnerrp: | i thing '-O RunFrontendInWindow=1' |
| [04:33:23] | theboss: | its cool |
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| [04:56:13] | wagnerrp: | bah... trying to pull from the wrong table |
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| [06:18:23] | ** rhollan struggles with LDAP ** | |
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| [06:25:09] | justinh: | ... whatever LDAP is :) |
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| [06:27:40] | ** rhollan thinks justinh kmows quite well what LDAP is ** | |
| [06:27:54] | justinh: | er.. no |
| [06:28:06] | justinh: | blissfully unaware thankyous |
| [06:30:15] | rhollan: | dynamic backend configuration is completely new to me |
| [06:30:41] | Beirdo: | LDAP is a PAIN |
| [06:30:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:30:45] | rhollan: | it's a lightweight directory access protocol... and backend that uses various databses |
| [06:30:56] | rhollan: | I want to use it to manage email accounts for my domain |
| [06:31:20] | Beirdo: | I know all too well what it is |
| [06:31:23] | rhollan: | And got a nice tutorial, but find that my system uses dynamic configuration backends, whatever that is. |
| [06:31:25] | Beirdo: | it's a PAIN :) |
| [06:31:34] | rhollan: | So, I am trying to learn about that. |
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| [06:33:37] | rhollan: | O.K. So I can get using the DB for LDAP's own config, but transforming back and forth between DB config and ldap.conf equivalents would be nice |
| [06:33:46] | justinh: | I had a close encounter with a mail problem caused by a server not working with reverse DNS lookups the other week. oh boy. Did I ever not need to delve into DNS issues |
| [06:34:20] | justinh: | at least the fix was easy. stop being lazy & use SMTP :) |
| [06:35:56] | justinh: | it's nice to go back into a world where I don't have to know jack about DNS |
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| [06:42:36] | justinh: | hmmm. breakfast outside this morning I think |
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| [06:44:04] | rhollan: | morning? |
| [06:44:25] | justinh: | yeah it's like 7.45 in the AM here :) |
| [06:45:02] | justinh: | other countries exist you know, and we've not all adopted US timezones yet :P |
| [06:45:13] | rhollan: | yeah, just wondering WHERE |
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| [06:45:24] | rhollan: | UK? |
| [06:45:37] | justinh: | yeah |
| [06:46:12] | rhollan: | well, morning then. It is almost midnight here |
| [06:46:17] | justinh: | oo time to look up when the 'big game' is today. I can go shopping when it's on |
| [06:46:30] | rhollan: | football? |
| [06:46:54] | justinh: | world cup of MEH |
| [06:47:21] | rhollan: | so, football. (As opposed to American football) |
| [06:47:35] | rhollan: | haven't followed it at all |
| [06:48:10] | justinh: | I've been trying to avoid it all |
| [06:48:29] | justinh: | brings out the worst in our nation IMHO |
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| [06:55:59] | justinh: | by that I mean big bluster, massive unfounded hopes... it's fun for me seeing the overconfident smile wiped from the nation's collective face :D |
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| [07:03:47] | rhollan: | I'm just amazed the U.S. is in the top 16. |
| [07:04:08] | rhollan: | Soccer is not that big her. |
| [07:04:10] | rhollan: | here. |
| [07:05:09] | justinh: | really wish it wasn't here either :) |
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| [07:05:22] | justinh: | it's too much like religion IMHO |
| [07:09:09] | justinh: | gah. am I missing something dumb here? I've got a bunch of cartoons ripped from DVD – for which there's no tmdb data – so I set the inetref to all of them to 99999999 & jamu is still looking them up |
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| [07:20:20] | rhollan: | Grrr. LDAP is not my forte |
| [07:20:48] | rhollan: | So, I have instructions related to traditional config, and not backend db config, and I can't adapt the former to the latter. |
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| [07:37:04] | dougt_: | i just pulled the tip and am seeing "Unable to initialize plugin". could this be related to stuartm's recent change? |
| [07:37:29] | dougt_: | (basically no plugins work atm with a clean rebuilding for me) |
| [07:38:18] | justinh: | pulled the tip? |
| [07:38:41] | cesman: | sounds like mercurial talk |
| [07:38:46] | rhollan: | I think it is time for me to get some sleep. |
| [07:38:53] | rhollan: | Will pick up LDAP tomorrow. |
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| [07:39:26] | dougt_: | justinh: the most recent changeset on the main branch |
| [07:39:28] | dougt_: | 25178 |
| [07:39:39] | justinh: | not trunk? |
| [07:40:17] | dougt_: | justinh: right. the trunk. |
| [07:40:24] | dougt_: | main branch is the trunk |
| [07:40:29] | justinh: | unable to initialise plugin type stuff is generally due to version incompatibilities |
| [07:40:36] | dougt_: | right |
| [07:40:52] | dougt_: | distclean, reconfigured. |
| [07:41:10] | justinh: | so.. you've done a trunk checkout of everything? built mythtv? then built then plugins after installing the last build of mythtv? |
| [07:41:39] | justinh: | mythtv with plugins from trunk goes like this: build & install mythtv. build & install mythplugins |
| [07:41:41] | dougt_: | cleanly build mythtv. installed. |
| [07:41:51] | dougt_: | cleanly build mythplugin. installed |
| [07:41:57] | justinh: | how cleanly? |
| [07:42:03] | dougt_: | then ran mythfrontend -v important |
| [07:42:08] | justinh: | sometimes things need a distclean |
| [07:42:10] | dougt_: | make distclean |
| [07:42:30] | justinh: | dunno then. this calls for someone more experienced than me :) |
| [07:42:41] | dougt_: | let me add some printfs.... bbiab |
| [07:43:03] | justinh: | unless you were just unlucky & caught trunk at a time when plugins were broken... unlikely though |
| [07:44:04] | justinh: | er.. I think mythfrontend should say what API versions it expects from plugins & whatnot |
| [07:44:13] | justinh: | should say what it expects & what it sees |
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| [08:04:11] | dougt_: | user error... repulled, clobbered everything, rebuilt. |
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| [08:04:20] | dougt_: | thanks for the fish. |
| [08:09:20] | oobe: | ( ʘ )( ʘ ) |
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| [08:34:25] | Beirdo: | OK, THAT was fun |
| [08:35:00] | Beirdo: | just removed network-manager from my firewall and re-did the wireless config (with WPA2-Personal) completely in /etc/network/interfaces |
| [08:35:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh. Static IP FTW |
| [08:35:12] | justinh: | heh.. I guess |
| [08:35:41] | Beirdo: | now I'm not relying on that stupid crappy piece of extra software :) |
| [08:35:41] | justinh: | been editing some spongebob. sense I might be turning into a file squirl |
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| [08:37:28] | Beirdo: | it's definitely satisfying to bend a computer to your will |
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| [08:39:49] | Beirdo: | next thing to do (I guess) would be to change the DHCP for my wireless to be on the firewall box as well... and then setup dynamic DNS internally :) |
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| [08:49:37] | Graham: | I have a question, is using MythTV to digitize VHS to digital format even in the correct ball park or should I use soething different? I have several hundred VHS tapes that I would like to make digital before they degrade. I would like it to be really easy so that even my mom could do it? |
| [08:50:55] | Beirdo: | it can be done, but may not necessarily be the easiest way |
| [08:51:35] | Graham: | Do you have any recommendations you can put me in? |
| [08:52:19] | Beirdo: | PVR-250/150 may be easier |
| [08:52:34] | Beirdo: | and using cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg |
| [08:52:41] | Beirdo: | but there are many ways :) |
| [08:52:53] | Beirdo: | and I'm pretty tired |
| [08:52:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:53:01] | Graham: | LOL no worries |
| [08:53:50] | Graham: | I was hoping to even get to the point where you could use the IR blaster on your VHS, so you just hit record on the PVR, it starts the tape, begins recording |
| [08:53:53] | justinh: | if you can borrow a DV camcorder which has video in – VHS > firewire... other video capture app |
| [08:53:57] | Graham: | Not sure how you would get it to stop? |
| [08:54:04] | justinh: | blah |
| [08:54:07] | justinh: | mythtv isn't for that |
| [08:54:13] | justinh: | not designed for it |
| [08:54:23] | Graham: | Yeah ok, like I said I have 600 or so VHS tapes I would like to do this to |
| [08:54:32] | justinh: | what what?! |
| [08:54:37] | Beirdo: | it can do it with the use of manual recording if you have to |
| [08:54:39] | justinh: | 600x 3 hours! |
| [08:54:54] | Graham: | Mostly old home videos, training stuff from work you can't get in DVD |
| [08:55:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:55:01] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [08:55:02] | justinh: | not to mention transcoding time. yeesh |
| [08:55:21] | Graham: | er 300 actualy I think |
| [08:55:26] | justinh: | still... |
| [08:55:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, a DV or Digi8 camcorder may still be a good idea |
| [08:55:46] | justinh: | IS a good idea |
| [08:55:52] | justinh: | least lossy |
| [08:55:53] | Beirdo: | video/audio in... firewire out |
| [08:56:15] | AndyCap: | Graham: a pvr-150 is probably the easiest solution. but depends on how much time you plan to spend on postprocessing this. |
| [08:56:17] | Beirdo: | although the codecs in use are horribly large files... |
| [08:56:28] | justinh: | I've digitized a good amount (not hundreds) of VHS tapes with a DV camcorder |
| [08:56:42] | Beirdo: | if making DVDs, PVR-x50 is not too bad, really |
| [08:56:56] | Beirdo: | just need to re-mux the MPG file and put on DVD |
| [08:57:09] | justinh: | I wouldn't trust DVD for long-term storage as far as I could throw one |
| [08:57:22] | Beirdo: | assuming you capture in DVD-compliant resolutions, that is |
| [08:57:31] | Graham: | My setup has dual PVR-150 |
| [08:57:49] | justinh: | well then, press play, cat /dev/videoX > file... |
| [08:57:56] | Graham: | I am not terrably intersted in putting them on DVD, I will store them on my NAS |
| [08:58:06] | justinh: | you could set up a script to IR blast the VHS machine |
| [08:58:20] | Beirdo: | but yah, for that quantiy of video, the DV/Digi8 camcorder is still the best over all for simplicity |
| [08:58:30] | justinh: | now all you need is a robot to load the tapes for ya :D |
| [08:58:54] | justinh: | use python. import VHSloading_robot |
| [08:58:54] | Graham: | Simple is good, so I can get the secretary to change the tapes LOL |
| [08:59:25] | justinh: | mythtv is too inflexible to allow you to make an easy job of this task |
| [08:59:26] | Graham: | LOL I am sure there is a python script for that :D |
| [08:59:44] | Graham: | Write my own plugin for MythTV? |
| [08:59:47] | justinh: | well it's very flexible.. for TV.. |
| [09:01:10] | Graham: | What do you all think about using VLC for playing back videos? I have a bunch of .m2ts videos off of some sort of Handy Cam from my brother that I found the internal player did not like all that much. VLC seems much quicker. The internal one was choppy campired to it |
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| [09:07:04] | justinh: | I think VLC looks like ass :) |
| [09:07:40] | justinh: | presumably these m2ts videos are AVCHD or similar |
| [09:07:43] | Graham: | I just found the handicam files where unwatchable |
| [09:07:52] | justinh: | you might need to adjust your video playback profile(s) |
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| [09:08:06] | Graham: | Not entierly sure, my brother is the video guy, he also made most of the home movies |
| [09:08:09] | Graham: | on VHS |
| [09:08:42] | justinh: | these handicam things are pointless anyway IMHO – 1080P video from a lens which is what.. 4 millimetres across? LOL |
| [09:08:56] | Graham: | He is a big time softball palyer and I found that if you are focused on home plate and then pan the camera quickly to follow a fly ball it was unacceptably choppy |
| [09:09:21] | Graham: | justinh just like point and shoot digital cameras that are 12MP |
| [09:09:22] | Graham: | ;) |
| [09:09:27] | justinh: | yeahh sounds like it's bitrate related |
| [09:09:42] | justinh: | Graham: yeah only with video :) |
| [09:10:06] | justinh: | that's why I bought a 'proper' camcorder as opposed to one of those pocket toys |
| [09:10:15] | justinh: | well that & rolling shutter artifacts |
| [09:10:58] | justinh: | whee look at that vertical line turn diagonal when I move the camera! |
| [09:11:00] | Graham: | Yeah I am a computer nerd not a video nerd LOL all greek to me. |
| [09:11:30] | justinh: | rolling shutter is a phenomenon caused by images coming from the sensor at a rate slower than the video frame rate |
| [09:11:43] | Graham: | So your CCD is crappy? |
| [09:12:34] | justinh: | heh no, those pocket cams all use CMOS |
| [09:12:48] | Graham: | Ahhhh |
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| [09:13:05] | justinh: | anyway I went with a 'real' camcorder to avoid this rolling shutter stuff |
| [09:13:57] | justinh: | viewed loads of test footage before deciding... I mean it's cheap but a million worlds apart from the last camcorder I used :) |
| [09:14:12] | Graham: | Mhmm |
| [09:14:39] | Graham: | I know a smigen about digital cameras, but as soon as you make the pictures move I am lost |
| [09:15:00] | Graham: | I know my DSLR is good cause it uses the same lenses as my old SLR ;) |
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| [10:32:15] | justinh: | whahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPPyjtw5WU&am . . . r_embedded#! |
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| [11:10:36] | justinh: | eeew! GuidePlus! http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/06/16/panasonic_tx_l32s20_4.jpg |
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| [11:28:04] | AndyCap: | justinh: homeowner over 55? |
| [11:28:15] | AndyCap: | I can see what the plus part is. :P |
| [11:29:02] | AndyCap: | monetiseization. |
| [11:30:16] | EvilGuru: | Wait, wait, adverts!?! |
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| [11:31:51] | fdlinux: | hi all |
| [11:32:45] | fdlinux: | i am runnning mythtv 0.23 and having problems with mythmusic : 0.23 no sound av error , i only have this problem since 0.23 |
| [11:33:06] | fdlinux: | it says it could find file myth://... and then it gives that error |
| [11:33:24] | fdlinux: | the path is right and the persmissions are also fine |
| [11:35:25] | fdlinux: | doesn't it work the same way as mythvideo ? or must i mount it ? |
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| [11:46:08] | fdlinux: | ok , so it works when nfs mounted , but i tought it was one of the ideas of storage dirs to put this in the past like in mythvideo ? |
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| [12:48:00] | stuarta: | sucks to be working today |
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| [13:10:33] | chainsawbike: | hey, when i try to get mythtv to play "live tv" ( or any video) it behaves as if goes transparent – i can see the windows behind were it should be but i cant click on them and if i press esc it goes back to the menu |
| [13:10:53] | chainsawbike: | the error message: X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| [13:10:53] | chainsawbike: | Extension: 132 (Uknown extension) |
| [13:10:54] | chainsawbike: | Minor opcode: 19 (Unknown request) |
| [13:10:54] | chainsawbike: | Resource id: 0x3f |
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| [13:23:27] | justinh: | EvilGuru: yeah adverts in yer EPG. welcome to freeview & freesat, panasonic style |
| [13:23:35] | justinh: | among others |
| [13:24:00] | justinh: | dontcha just love Gemsatan^H^H^H^H^Hstar ? |
| [13:26:44] | justinh: | looks like radiotimes get some cash out of the deal, so it's better for us :D |
| [13:28:08] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Do the averts come OTA or via an ethernet cable? |
| [13:28:29] | justinh: | OTA of course |
| [13:30:21] | EvilGuru: | What a waste of the public spectrum |
| [13:30:38] | justinh: | paid-for spectrum you mean |
| [13:30:53] | justinh: | and not as big a waste as the shopping channels are :) |
| [13:31:12] | justinh: | and soon thanks to TUTV, more pay channels are on their way |
| [13:32:03] | justinh: | still no word on who will be buying the space left by analogue TV. I doubt it'll be more TV services coming |
| [13:32:08] | EvilGuru: | I still find it ironic that freeview plans to have 5 HD channels by 2013 while sky plans to have 50 |
| [13:32:19] | justinh: | what's ironic about it? |
| [13:32:42] | justinh: | of everything Sky carry, more than 90% of everything watched is on freeview anyway |
| [13:32:56] | justinh: | more choice != better |
| [13:33:28] | justinh: | don't fall into the trap of thinking that non-Sky users are missing much. they're really not |
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| [13:34:55] | justinh: | Sky apparently have over 400 TV channels. How many feature shows which more than half a million watch – which aren't also available for free? Not many. big waste of money |
| [13:35:24] | justinh: | who can be bothered to scroll through that many channels anyway? :) |
| [13:35:34] | justinh: | never mind that they're categorised |
| [13:36:27] | EvilGuru: | It seems as if Five have sold themselves out, HD wise |
| [13:36:54] | justinh: | OFCOM have sold us all out |
| [13:38:41] | EvilGuru: | Did the BBC ever get their EPG broadcast flag thing? |
| [13:39:19] | janneg: | yes |
| [13:39:58] | EvilGuru: | Annoying, but it could be worse I guess |
| [13:41:27] | justinh: | not at all annoying |
| [13:41:35] | justinh: | big bonus |
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| [13:41:54] | justinh: | it's only fettling the EIT data a bit |
| [13:42:12] | justinh: | there's nothing a bit of free software can't put right |
| [13:42:18] | EvilGuru: | justinh: It still forces me to rely on someone else for the data |
| [13:42:24] | justinh: | no it doesn't |
| [13:42:34] | justinh: | they did exactly the same with freesat |
| [13:42:42] | justinh: | and its EIT data is working |
| [13:42:48] | ** EvilGuru seems to have misunderstood the purpose behind it ** | |
| [13:43:00] | justinh: | obsfurcating the EPG data |
| [13:43:03] | justinh: | that's all |
| [13:43:22] | justinh: | slightly encrypted & they only tell partners how to uncripple it |
| [13:43:25] | EvilGuru: | So does free software get any access to it (is the data encrypted?) |
| [13:43:55] | justinh: | freesat EPG data is also encrypted |
| [13:44:03] | justinh: | and works in mythtv already |
| [13:44:17] | justinh: | looks likely to be the same thing they'll do with freeview HD |
| [13:44:52] | justinh: | besides, it's not going to stop any computer recording or playing the streams |
| [13:45:17] | justinh: | it's probably only to placate copyright holders |
| [13:45:49] | justinh: | unless they were to bring in CI+ (which is unlikely cos it's way too late for that now) there's nothing they can do |
| [13:46:14] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Okay, so the encryption is worthless |
| [13:46:31] | justinh: | so the beeb were caught in the middle. do a tiddling little thing which won't really affect anybody but those looking to sell hardware but will keep copyright holders happy |
| [13:46:53] | EvilGuru: | Long live dumb meeja execs I guess |
| [13:47:04] | justinh: | the open rights group were way off the mark IMHO |
| [13:47:14] | justinh: | they generally are anyway |
| [13:48:18] | justinh: | right-minded people generally don't mind *paying* for things.. but a few of us have concerns about how people are trying to conrol how we access stuff we pay for to an unreasonable degree |
| [13:49:18] | EvilGuru: | I just take objection with the use of DRM for everything nowadays |
| [13:49:21] | justinh: | the media press and to an extent the IT press have done us a favour too by not stating the facts about the EIT scrambling – which in turn led the ORG to fly off the handle |
| [13:49:42] | justinh: | welcome to the digital future |
| [13:50:00] | justinh: | put your movie mogul evil hat on for a sec |
| [13:50:06] | justinh: | think – how can you make more money? |
| [13:50:24] | justinh: | sell people discs full of content.. and make them pay to use it every single time? OH YES! |
| [13:50:25] | EvilGuru: | By getting me to buy the same thing several times over for every device I own |
| [13:50:45] | justinh: | say to them they can only use the content when *I* say so? OH YES! |
| [13:51:26] | EvilGuru: | I was just happy with the whole AACS thing turned out to be an abject disaster |
| [13:51:35] | justinh: | AACS? |
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| [13:51:53] | EvilGuru: | HD-DVD/Blur ray encryption/scrambling |
| [13:51:57] | justinh: | oh yeah that lol |
| [13:52:09] | justinh: | it was a red rag to a great number of bulls |
| [13:52:20] | justinh: | and not even the DMCA was a great hindrance |
| [13:52:31] | EvilGuru: | It seems that BD+ is also something of a failure, which is good, as it is quite expensive to maintain |
| [13:52:32] | justinh: | twas ever thus |
| [13:52:47] | EvilGuru: | All those poor blu-ray players needing firmware updates to watch Avatar |
| [13:53:10] | justinh: | they need to think of something though... like just giving up & teaching people to be reasonable |
| [13:53:19] | EvilGuru: | (or as I like to call it: Blue Pocahontas) |
| [13:53:38] | justinh: | I like to call it: film I will have lived my entire life without ever seeing :D |
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| [13:55:01] | justinh: | went to the pics last night & pondered that I'd love to see something in 3D but I'm damned if I'm going to sit through 2.5 hours of drivel – or pay more than a tenner for the privilege |
| [13:55:34] | EvilGuru: | I'm blind in one eye so have no idea what this 3D thing is all about |
| [13:55:50] | justinh: | like – I love going to a theme park but I won't pay full price. We keep a lookout for 2 for 1 vouchers :D |
| [13:56:29] | justinh: | or – I see something come out on disc – I wait for it to fall to a price that suits me. I don't 'steal' it |
| [13:57:16] | bjd: | i'd find having to wear 3d glasses everytime i want to watch something irritating |
| [13:57:57] | justinh: | heck even if it was a proper full-on immersive experience it'd be no good if you were in the wrong place ;) |
| [13:58:49] | justinh: | like being at a concert but the only ticket you could get was the one off the side of the stage |
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| [14:08:20] | lyricnz: | Do you guys know of some app that can monitor the "loudness" of programs, like in a graph or something? I'm complaining to my local broadcaster about the "so loud it hurts" advertisements, and some analytical data would be useful. |
| [14:09:11] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [14:09:22] | justinh: | you'd be looking for the dynamic range of content.. |
| [14:09:44] | justinh: | the ads prolly won't actually be a higher level as such |
| [14:09:52] | lyricnz: | I'm sure the peaks are probably the same, but the average/sound energy is SO much higher for advertisements, I literally have to jump on the mute |
| [14:10:10] | lyricnz: | It hurts my hearing, even if I've got the program at a level I can only just hear it |
| [14:10:15] | justinh: | they're engineered to stand out. some countries have legislation specifying how far they can go |
| [14:10:53] | lyricnz: | We do here – but I can't believe they're obeying it. It's SO much louder! |
| [14:10:54] | lyricnz: | http://www.freetv.com.au/Content_Common/pg-Lo . . . isements.seo |
| [14:10:55] | EvilGuru: | I think Dolby have something similar to replaygain but for broadcast tv |
| [14:11:31] | EvilGuru: | no idea if mythcommflag looks at the average volume for ad detection, might work |
| [14:11:56] | justinh: | lyricnz: broadcasters sometimes fail too. here we had one channel where the ads really were louder than the programme content |
| [14:12:04] | justinh: | no it doesn't |
| [14:12:11] | lyricnz: | yeah, I'd like to get some data. |
| [14:12:22] | justinh: | it's oft been discussed by people who don't understand the mechanics of sound ;) |
| [14:12:56] | justinh: | ads are often compressed/limited to the hilt.. and nowadays with budget cuts so is programming |
| [14:13:27] | justinh: | sound engineers ride the faders & let the processors deal with everything |
| [14:13:41] | lyricnz: | I call bullshit on that blaming it on technical artifacts – the advertisers are doing it deliberately, and the tv stations are letting them |
| [14:13:43] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: why are you watching ads? |
| [14:13:57] | lyricnz: | it takes a few seconds to jump on the skip :) |
| [14:14:10] | lyricnz: | But is's SO DAMN LOUD! |
| [14:14:12] | justinh: | sounds like you need some training |
| [14:14:13] | lyricnz: | It actually hurts my ears. |
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| [14:14:31] | justinh: | pick remote up. put remote down. pick remote up. put remote down. .... |
| [14:14:36] | lyricnz: | :Q |
| [14:14:42] | lyricnz: | Just watched the F1, and it was broadcast at quite a low level, so I hard to turn it up to hear it; then get pain from the ads |
| [14:14:53] | justinh: | well it's not the fault of the ads so much then is it? |
| [14:14:59] | justinh: | shout at the broadcaster |
| [14:15:18] | justinh: | the ads are prolly at a normal level for broadcast but the programming isn't |
| [14:15:25] | lyricnz: | I'm complaining to the regulator, who will in turn aggregate and complain to the broadcaster. |
| [14:15:44] | EvilGuru: | lyricnz: Red bull really does give you wings :P |
| [14:15:52] | lyricnz: | Yeah, Mark can fly :) |
| [14:15:55] | justinh: | I contacted a radio station to tell them their DAB output was clipping once |
| [14:16:16] | justinh: | they were like "no it can't be it's digital" so I sent them a snippet |
| [14:16:25] | justinh: | and a BMP of the waveform :D |
| [14:16:55] | lyricnz: | What linux tools to make this kind of analysis? |
| [14:16:59] | justinh: | even Audacity would show up a massive difference like you're talking about |
| [14:17:08] | justinh: | with its Fisher Price waveform view |
| [14:17:40] | justinh: | if program content is so low you actually have to turn it up to a level where ads are properly deafening.. there's a BIG problem |
| [14:17:46] | justinh: | and it's not that the ads are too loud |
| [14:18:03] | lyricnz: | Other channels at the same time were much louder |
| [14:18:14] | lyricnz: | So I'm sure the program was quiet too |
| [14:18:18] | justinh: | ahh here we go. England game on ITV1.. I can hear the audio & the commentary is making the background audio 'pump' |
| [14:18:44] | EvilGuru: | I can remember the first time CDs started showing that artefact |
| [14:19:12] | justinh: | nah if you can hear pumping or 'breathing' it's a fault of the mastering |
| [14:19:12] | EvilGuru: | You'd hear a snare and everything else would go quiet for a couple of seconds |
| [14:19:25] | justinh: | usually deliberate to an extent |
| [14:21:13] | ** lyricnz posts about it on his facebook, and gets half a dozen "yeah, that sucks!" replies inside 15 minutes ** | |
| [14:22:13] | lyricnz: | Is there a decent free/cheap mac sound editor/analysis tool, then? (if audacity sucks so bad) |
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| [14:22:21] | justinh: | Audacity will do |
| [14:22:30] | wagnerrp: | anyone in know mysql and innodb? |
| [14:22:53] | justinh: | just grab a bit of audio from the program followed by the ads.. you'll immediately see the difference if it's as wild as you say |
| [14:23:28] | justinh: | I mean I could more or less understand a period drama being mostly way under peak level but sheesh.. f1 coverage.. lol |
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| [14:23:45] | justinh: | lazy broadcast tech turned the wrong fader down :P |
| [14:25:02] | justinh: | remember watching ITV as a kid.. used to hear them bringing the fader up to make continuity annoucements. very annoying |
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| [14:26:37] | lyricnz: | How to strip/convert some audio from the broadcast? nuvexport |
| [14:26:53] | lyricnz: | damn my nuvexport is saying "disabled" for all targets again. Stupid damn thing |
| [14:26:55] | wagnerrp: | 'dd' |
| [14:27:00] | lyricnz: | I fixed this once before, forget |
| [14:27:17] | wagnerrp: | well 'dd' will let you pull out chunks of video |
| [14:27:26] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg can pull specific streams out of that chunk |
| [14:29:14] | justinh: | hahaha. that darn noise was annoying. wife is in the house watching the game so I just went 'red button' & switched the audio track to the non vuvuzella version :D |
| [14:29:31] | justinh: | thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded |
| [14:31:41] | lyricnz: | Ahh, I remember what broke it. Stupid fedora ffmpeg breaks the version detection in nuvexport |
| [14:32:04] | lyricnz: | yeah yeah yeah, "build from source". weanies :) |
| [14:33:01] | justinh: | no, not fedora's fault |
| [14:33:24] | justinh: | ffmpeg change the meanest of things so often it's unbelievable |
| [14:33:38] | justinh: | they seem to be like "wuhahahaha.. you need us, so we're gonna screw you around" |
| [14:34:11] | lyricnz: | okay, yeah. version string of "FFmpeg version SVN-r22963" really useful (not) |
| [14:34:24] | ** justinh suddenly pictures all those England flags adorning cars & houses on fire pretty soon ** | |
| [14:34:47] | justinh: | lyricnz: if it's not that it's the commandline args changing beyond recognition every 5 mins |
| [14:38:31] | ** justinh suddenly realises he has beer in the fridge ** | |
| [14:40:55] | ** lyricnz swears at ffmpeg developers ** | |
| [14:43:55] | justinh: | mmmm lager |
| [14:44:35] | ** justinh starts writing suggested headlines for tomorrow's papers. "WE WAS ROBBED!". LOL ** | |
| [14:45:28] | jya: | payback of 1966 :) |
| [14:45:30] | EvilGuru: | justinh: It is all about the psychic octopus |
| [14:45:57] | justinh: | a load of tentacles? or something like that |
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| [14:46:30] | EvilGuru: | justinh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10420131.stm |
| [14:46:47] | justinh: | yeah I know. I was way too bored & read that bit |
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| [14:56:17] | lyricnz: | is there a lossless way to extract audio from nuv files, using myth cutlists? |
| [14:58:44] | justinh: | just waz the whole lot out of a show & deal with it in the editor |
| [14:58:56] | justinh: | for the amount of time it takes & the disk space it takes up... |
| [15:00:14] | lyricnz: | It's ~2 hours |
| [15:00:25] | lyricnz: | of 1080i |
| [15:00:37] | justinh: | so, what's the audio gonna be? ;) |
| [15:00:59] | justinh: | ffmpeg -i $thefile -a codec libmp3lame -b 192 outfile.mp3 – ish |
| [15:01:08] | lyricnz: | I don't know how to find out low level stuff in the stream, 'cause it's not a real mpeg, right? |
| [15:01:17] | justinh: | shouldn't matter |
| [15:01:31] | justinh: | if it's a format ffmpeg can handle it'll just spit out the audio |
| [15:01:38] | lyricnz: | Yeah, I'm using nuvexport/ffmpeg to extract it as a mp3 now – just thinking that it's lossy, and might affect my data |
| [15:01:42] | justinh: | nah |
| [15:01:57] | justinh: | you're looking at absolute level going by what you said |
| [15:02:14] | justinh: | or average level at least. lossy compression won't do much to that rest assured |
| [15:03:28] | lyricnz: | Cool, ffmpeg -i filename tells me what all the streams are. |
| [15:03:29] | justinh: | if the difference is as jarring as you say there's gonna be at least 12dB difference between programme & ads |
| [15:03:34] | lyricnz: | Stream #0.1[0x2a0](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1, s16, 448 kb/s |
| [15:03:54] | justinh: | f1 in 5.1? LOL |
| [15:04:04] | justinh: | what is the *point* ?:) |
| [15:04:28] | wagnerrp: | in 5.1, you hear the car speed /behind/ the camera... |
| [15:04:46] | justinh: | and when the camera pans? ;) |
| [15:04:46] | wagnerrp: | vvvvvrrrooooooommm! |
| [15:05:28] | justinh: | IMHO surround for live events doesn't do much beyond providing 'atmosphere' |
| [15:05:51] | lyricnz: | I doubt they change the audio per program here, probably just upmix it at teh studio |
| [15:06:10] | justinh: | prolly comes from F1 broadcast central that way |
| [15:07:55] | justinh: | now ver vos I? |
| [15:08:18] | justinh: | oh yeah. list view editing |
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| [15:16:12] | lyricnz: | Hmmm, 4.6GB WAV file. Oh yay |
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| [15:16:31] | lyricnz: | Stupid audacity not loading mp3 |
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| [15:18:38] | justinh: | heh shoulda said to save it out as ogg or something. whoops |
| [15:18:47] | justinh: | audacity loves freedom. hates mp3 |
| [15:19:00] | justinh: | if you like mp3 you hate freedom :) |
| [15:21:13] | lyricnz: | Apparently. Works much better on my mac :) |
| [15:21:52] | lyricnz: | Wow, it's totally apparent from screenshot! |
| [15:23:51] | lyricnz: | I use myth to mark a bit each side of the commercials, and the commercials themselves. Then nuvexport to export to mp3, and loaded up in audacity on a mac. http://skitch.com/lyricnz/dkbyd/formula-one-r . . . n-grand-prix |
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| [15:55:44] | EvilGuru: | Heard about Englands new coach? It is coming to pick them up from the airport later today :P |
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| [16:11:07] | justinh: | lyricnz: yikes! |
| [16:11:52] | justinh: | that looks like something along the lines of 20dB difference at least |
| [16:12:02] | justinh: | and that is a LOT |
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| [16:12:52] | justinh: | and it looks like the ads aren't all that dynamically compressed actually :) |
| [16:13:50] | justinh: | must sound pretty awful too since they're not using anything like the full scale – at low intensities like that your effective bit depth is out of the window aswell |
| [16:14:22] | justinh: | so 16-bit audio ends up sounding more like 12-bit.. or 10 |
| [16:14:42] | justinh: | mmm crunchy |
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| [16:36:37] | justinh: | okay I'm totally sold on fanart etc now |
| [16:36:40] | justinh: | yay! |
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| [17:13:52] | Zathras: | Hi. After upgrading my kernel (and mythtv but problem is laying underneath) from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32-trunk or 2.6.32 ivtv and bttv do no longer get TV signal when reading from dd if=/dev/video0 etc |
| [17:14:13] | Zathras: | any hints on where I can find info or how I can debug this please? |
| [17:14:44] | Zathras: | no errors in logs. Booting/loading modules/filrmware looks ok |
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| [18:10:48] | sidh: | Greetings |
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| [18:12:16] | sidh: | i would need some help, on mythbuntu install , i clicked "restart now" instead of configuring mythtv, then now I'm at the end of the mythbackend process, i realize no database has been created |
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| [18:12:49] | sidh: | how can start the db creation in order for mythfilldatabase works ? |
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| [18:36:33] | hal-emmerich: | Hey, how's it going everyone? |
| [18:38:43] | hal-emmerich: | Would anyone mind gaging a setup and difficulty of configuration if I list off spec's? I'm somewhat inexperienced with Linux (I was able to get a MythTV box up before with LIRC), and I'm working on a full featured MythTV box with Tv-in/out. I'm just wondering if I'm getting over my head though |
| [18:39:30] | hal-emmerich: | *guaging |
| [18:39:43] | wagnerrp: | go for it, someone may respond eventually |
| [18:39:52] | wagnerrp: | just dont paste a bunch of crap in here |
| [18:39:56] | hal-emmerich: | Right |
| [18:40:07] | hal-emmerich: | Fortunately I have more IRC Etiquette than I do Linux skills :) |
| [18:40:23] | wagnerrp: | both are frequently lacking in here |
| [18:40:54] | hal-emmerich: | Anyways. The setup is a P4 2.5 ghz box with 512 mb ddr memory and a (gasp) Ati Rage 128 All In Wonder (The 32 mb 'mortgage your house' edition when it was new) |
| [18:40:57] | justinh: | not sure a spec sheet has much bearing on how difficult stuff is to configure |
| [18:41:15] | justinh: | hal-emmerich: ouch. stop right there. the AIW card is bin fodder already :) |
| [18:41:16] | wagnerrp: | difficulty: high... |
| [18:41:27] | wagnerrp: | ... to impossible |
| [18:41:30] | justinh: | no V4L compliant drivers... |
| [18:41:40] | justinh: | so uhh... working with that in mythtv ain't going to happen |
| [18:41:50] | wagnerrp: | s/mythtv/linux/ |
| [18:41:50] | hal-emmerich: | I thought it could be made to work through GATOS? |
| [18:42:04] | justinh: | maybe, but GATOS != V4L if I remember right |
| [18:42:27] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do analog capture, you would be well advised to pick up an old PVR-150 off ebay for ~$20 |
| [18:42:33] | justinh: | you'll save yourself a whole month of headaches by ditcjing the AIW card. Honestly |
| [18:42:51] | justinh: | forget you have it – for both input and output |
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| [18:43:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and a cheapo AGP card for output |
| [18:43:17] | wagnerrp: | preferably nvidia |
| [18:43:30] | hal-emmerich: | Ok, well the alternative is an ATI Rage 2000Expert that I have kicking around unfortunately |
| [18:43:31] | wagnerrp: | 6200AGPs are fairly cheap to come by |
| [18:43:45] | hal-emmerich: | Which I'd think would be worse |
| [18:43:49] | justinh: | yeha tvout support on ATI cards is very patchy in places – mostly at the older end |
| [18:44:32] | justinh: | hal-emmerich: well, if you wanna do mythtv you need a couple of new cards. a tuner card and a VGA card. Sorry & all that |
| [18:44:52] | wagnerrp: | if you ever intend to do HD, you should crap the whole machine |
| [18:45:01] | hal-emmerich: | Nah, HD isn't a priority |
| [18:45:13] | hal-emmerich: | I don't have a HD TV, so why would I need HD? |
| [18:45:24] | wagnerrp: | because all the broadcasts are digital |
| [18:45:30] | wagnerrp: | and with digital, you dont get a choice |
| [18:45:32] | justinh: | you can't even do SDTV with those ATI cards :) |
| [18:45:41] | wagnerrp: | you get whatever resolution/bandwidth the broadcaster gives you |
| [18:45:52] | justinh: | not in linux.. and you'd even be lucky to get em working in windows too |
| [18:46:01] | wagnerrp: | actually... canada doesnt switch entirely for another couple years do they? |
| [18:46:18] | hal-emmerich: | Bingo |
| [18:46:33] | hal-emmerich: | We don't switch until 2012 |
| [18:46:43] | hal-emmerich: | By which point I will have the finances to actually spend money on this :P |
| [18:46:46] | justinh: | the fact of the matter doesn't change. you ain't doing anything mythtv related with that hardware |
| [18:46:55] | wagnerrp: | and the world will be ending anyway, so it doesnt matter |
| [18:47:19] | wagnerrp: | go check out the bargin bins at the local computer store |
| [18:47:31] | wagnerrp: | for a video card, youre looking for anything nvidia, 5-series or newer |
| [18:47:45] | hal-emmerich: | anyways yeah, the board only has a capacity of up to AGP 4x. I know a few places I could probably get a nvidia card like that though |
| [18:47:49] | wagnerrp: | the motherboard youre using doesnt come with integrated intel graphics does it? |
| [18:48:01] | hal-emmerich: | It does, actually |
| [18:48:01] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: You really want 6, longer support from the nvidia-drivers |
| [18:48:16] | justinh: | they dropped 5xxx support? heh |
| [18:48:20] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: the 5-series are not currently supported? |
| [18:48:24] | wagnerrp: | when did that happen? |
| [18:48:31] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Not by the newest drivers, IIRC |
| [18:48:41] | justinh: | guess they had to sooner or later. ATI have been known to stop supporting cards from 6 months ago ;) |
| [18:49:00] | justinh: | slight exaggeration no doubt |
| [18:49:09] | wagnerrp: | arent 8x cards backwards compatible with 4x boards? |
| [18:49:22] | wagnerrp: | i remember for some time, they used to call them 4x/8x boards |
| [18:49:22] | EvilGuru: | http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html legacy |
| [18:49:23] | justinh: | IIRC they are |
| [18:49:44] | justinh: | it's 2x & >= 4x you can't mingle I think |
| [18:50:00] | justinh: | different voltages & whatnot IIRC |
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| [18:50:18] | EvilGuru: | Generally if it fits it will work |
| [18:50:29] | EvilGuru: | AGP slots are voltaged keyed |
| [18:50:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pinning and what not |
| [18:50:43] | wagnerrp: | s/pinning/keying/ |
| [18:51:06] | justinh: | anyway you're looking at laying out a little money. that AiW stuff was revolutionary in its day |
| [18:51:12] | justinh: | sometimes it even worked! |
| [18:51:34] | wagnerrp: | heh.... i scrapped one of those 5yrs ago during a computer recycling drive |
| [18:52:01] | justinh: | I held onto my AiW Pro for quite some time after I stopped trying to make it work |
| [18:52:41] | wagnerrp: | the tv-out stopped working, and it just wasnt worth keeping any longer |
| [18:53:04] | ** EvilGuru remembers trying to do the VGA hack for an ATI card ** | |
| [18:53:15] | wagnerrp: | vga hack? |
| [18:53:20] | pjcrux: | hello all quick question for you. My mythtv on Fedora 12 will not start on a reboot. I have done "/sbin/chkconfig mythbackend on" and this used to work but not anymore even a "service mythbackend start" failes see this http://mythtv.pastebin.com/z8FZ2CNm any thoughts? did something change and I'm not seeing it in the wiki? |
| [18:53:59] | wagnerrp: | looks like your init script is broken |
| [18:54:04] | justinh: | pjcrux: the init/upstart script is hosed |
| [18:54:17] | pjcrux: | greaaaattt |
| [18:54:17] | wagnerrp: | upstart is an ubuntu thing |
| [18:54:20] | justinh: | how that happened is er... incredible |
| [18:54:28] | justinh: | heh really? didn't know that |
| [18:54:48] | pjcrux: | justinh: wagnerrp where is that located? |
| [18:55:01] | justinh: | so everybody else basically just uses good ole init? |
| [18:55:06] | wagnerrp: | MORE DISTROS EXIST THAN UBUNTU, JUSTINH!!!1!11!!!!one!!! |
| [18:55:22] | hal-emmerich: | ok |
| [18:55:23] | wagnerrp: | pjcrux: no idea.... dont use fedora |
| [18:55:31] | justinh: | me no idea either |
| [18:55:35] | hal-emmerich: | So Assuming I invested in a BFG GEforce 6200 |
| [18:55:36] | justinh: | somewhere in /etc |
| [18:55:41] | hal-emmerich: | which is evidentally almost $80.00 |
| [18:55:49] | hal-emmerich: | Is this machine worthwhile? |
| [18:55:52] | wagnerrp: | then you would have been ripped off |
| [18:55:53] | justinh: | hal-emmerich: ebay :) |
| [18:56:10] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt pay more than $10-$15 for that card |
| [18:56:16] | pjcrux: | possibly /etc/rd.d/init.d/mythbackend ? |
| [18:56:17] | hal-emmerich: | lol |
| [18:56:24] | hal-emmerich: | But would the machine work though? |
| [18:56:24] | pjcrux: | *rc.d |
| [18:56:36] | justinh: | hal-emmerich: for SDTV, assuming you can get a 6xxx series card & something like a hauppauge pvr-150 or a pvr-500 card yeah you should be fine |
| [18:56:36] | wagnerrp: | for analog, yes |
| [18:56:52] | wagnerrp: | (assuming you got a new tuner too) |
| [18:56:57] | justinh: | the 500 version is like 2x 150 cards on one card |
| [18:57:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pick up a 6-series card, and a PVR-150... should run maybe $40 for the lot |
| [18:57:15] | pjcrux: | yep yep i love my PVR-500 |
| [18:57:36] | justinh: | pjcrux: yeah that could be it /etc/rc.d/foo |
| [18:57:54] | pjcrux: | k thanks justinh |
| [18:58:29] | Beirdo: | Red Robin.... Yummm. |
| [18:58:39] | justinh: | pjcrux: you might be better off uninstalling mythtv with whatever passes for a 'purge' option & reinstalling.. or else see if you can find an original fedora init script for mythtv |
| [18:58:58] | justinh: | if you've not changed it yourself I'd be worried the filesystem has been corrupted or something |
| [18:59:34] | justinh: | nothing should've messed with that & it's tricky to break init scripts by accident |
| [19:00:50] | pjcrux: | was working fine till I updated |
| [19:01:24] | pjcrux: | here's the init script I'm not the greatest at this but I don't see anything wrong http://mythtv.pastebin.com/xKY0eirW |
| [19:01:51] | pjcrux: | short of running cron every minute to start the backend I'm out of all the ideas I've thought of for this |
| [19:02:05] | wagnerrp: | lin 25 is your problem |
| [19:02:54] | wagnerrp: | line 25 doesnt even make any sense |
| [19:03:04] | wagnerrp: | im surprised the script even runs |
| [19:03:26] | pjcrux: | it doesn't the only way I can bring up the backend is to run mythbackend as root |
| [19:03:58] | wagnerrp: | no, im saying bash should get to that line and barf |
| [19:04:03] | wagnerrp: | before it even tries to run mythbackend |
| [19:04:24] | pjcrux: | wagnerrp: I'm ignorant as to the reason why it barfs can you elaborate |
| [19:04:32] | pjcrux: | please |
| [19:04:51] | wagnerrp: | first, youre calling '--logfile' without actually specifying a file to log to |
| [19:04:59] | wagnerrp: | which is what mythbackend is complaining about |
| [19:05:17] | wagnerrp: | for some reason that '-user ${..}' clause got stuffed in there |
| [19:05:31] | wagnerrp: | splitting the --logfile clause in half |
| [19:05:41] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, its an unterminated string |
| [19:06:08] | wagnerrp: | and im surprised it doesnt have problems with that spurious dollar sign at the end |
| [19:06:14] | pjcrux: | I've reinstalled multiple times (reboots inbetween each) |
| [19:06:31] | pjcrux: | how would you fix it wagnerrp ? |
| [19:06:33] | wagnerrp: | basically, your init script is borked |
| [19:06:40] | pjcrux: | great |
| [19:06:44] | tgm4883: | thats a init script from a ubuntu system? |
| [19:06:46] | wagnerrp: | you need to find someone else who uses fedora to see what theirs looks like |
| [19:07:04] | tgm4883: | ah, fedora ok then |
| [19:07:25] | tgm4883: | dont mind me, got confused reading the backlog |
| [19:09:12] | pjcrux: | alright then thanks wagnerrp |
| [19:09:19] | pjcrux: | off to the forums to make a post |
| [19:09:55] | EvilGuru: | pjcrux: Or just extract the base rpm and see what the init script looks like |
| [19:10:53] | pjcrux: | thanks EvilGuru |
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| [19:55:14] | rhollan: | I've been thinking of sinking family email on the same box that is my mythbackend, and it looks like phamm is a nice way to manage accounts |
| [20:01:02] | hal-emmerich: | Would the BFG Overclocked 6200 be sufficient for SDTV, or should I be looking at something with more horsepower? |
| [20:01:50] | wagnerrp: | 'horsepower' is irrelevent if youre using the Qt painter and the Xv video renderer |
| [20:01:58] | wagnerrp: | and it should be plenty if you decide to use opengl instead |
| [20:02:30] | hal-emmerich: | alright. Basically, I want this to be doing four things (Obviously not all at the same time) |
| [20:02:33] | justinh: | overclocked 6200? lol |
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| [20:02:54] | hal-emmerich: | Well, really 2 now, lol |
| [20:03:14] | hal-emmerich: | #1: Take media and play it on a television in standard def, without a horrible amount of blur or distortion |
| [20:03:25] | justinh: | peasy |
| [20:03:27] | hal-emmerich: | #2: Use Mythgames to play emulators without blur |
| [20:03:37] | justinh: | my athlon 800 could do #1 with an fx5200 card |
| [20:03:41] | hal-emmerich: | NES, SNES, GBA, Genesis, possibly PSX |
| [20:03:51] | hal-emmerich: | Nothing higher |
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| [20:04:30] | Beirdo: | go, ubuntu server installer :) |
| [20:04:56] | Beirdo: | I removed old md0, md1, md2, recreate new ones... still shows the old sizes. |
| [20:04:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:05:19] | Beirdo: | so... save partitions, reboot, let's try that again, shall we? |
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| [20:09:49] | justinh: | hal-emmerich: no idea how much woof those emulators need |
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| [20:10:44] | Beirdo: | that's better |
| [20:11:23] | Beirdo: | 40G root, 4G swap, 36G var, 40G mysql |
| [20:11:28] | Beirdo: | more than adequate :) |
| [20:11:53] | Beirdo: | and about 380G for video... for now |
| [20:12:09] | hal-emmerich: | well I know it'd tackle it in Windows, so it couldn't very well be -worse- in Linux |
| [20:12:09] | hal-emmerich: | lol |
| [20:16:03] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [20:16:19] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [20:17:18] | hal-emmerich: | It always seems to be the case that emulators run better in Linux, that I've found |
| [20:17:21] | Beirdo: | so, installing from 9.04 Server CD :) |
| [20:17:47] | Beirdo: | then comes the update-fest |
| [20:18:47] | Beirdo: | but at least I won't have the dang openoffice by default on my mythbox :) |
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| [20:30:21] | Beirdo: | so nice of Canonical to decide that since I got CDs from them in the past, I can't get CDs now |
| [20:30:29] | Beirdo: | idiots |
| [20:32:34] | AndyCap: | whining about something you got for free now? :P |
| [20:32:52] | Beirdo: | where's the common sense in that? |
| [20:33:18] | Beirdo: | the people most likely to spread the CDs around are the current users |
| [20:33:37] | Beirdo: | so if you are trying to spread your popularity, cutting off current users is retarded |
| [20:34:44] | Beirdo: | not only can they not spread the CDs around, but you are liable to get them to defect |
| [20:36:04] | Beirdo: | so... installing from 9.04 Server... and upgrading |
| [20:36:06] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [20:36:08] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:36:19] | Beirdo: | will be 9.10 in a few minutes |
| [20:38:09] | sphery: | but, 10.04... :) |
| [20:38:27] | Beirdo: | and it will be 10.04 about half an hour after that :) |
| [20:38:33] | sphery: | heh |
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| [20:38:52] | Beirdo: | their solution: "download and burn a CD" |
| [20:39:07] | sphery: | I have a feeling kormoc would be happy to download 10.04 CD for you in no time with his 100Mbit internet connection at home |
| [20:39:07] | Beirdo: | ummm, tards... I don't have a burner other than in the machine I'm trying to install |
| [20:39:31] | sphery: | they changed their policy--mainly because it was costing them money :) |
| [20:39:34] | Beirdo: | after this is all done, I'll burn some new coasters |
| [20:39:38] | Beirdo: | err CDs |
| [20:39:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, imagine that. |
| [20:39:51] | sphery: | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/352798/canonical- . . . e-ubuntu-cds |
| [20:40:13] | Beirdo: | "we want to spread this as far as possible, so those of you who can spread it for us... no CDs for you!" |
| [20:40:17] | sphery: | you could become a LoCo member or a contributor |
| [20:40:35] | sphery: | seems they're driving users LoCo |
| [20:40:39] | Beirdo: | I'll contribute... once beirdobot's ready to be packages |
| [20:40:52] | Beirdo: | ain't there yet |
| [20:41:22] | Beirdo: | and even then, liable to be a PPA for a while |
| [20:41:57] | sphery: | wonder what LoCo (Local Community) teams are |
| [20:42:09] | Beirdo: | Crazy, obviously |
| [20:42:21] | sphery: | your description of what you did sounds like what I would expect a LoCo team would be |
| [20:43:26] | sphery: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KentuckyTeam |
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| [20:43:45] | sphery: | don't see a WA team... you could start one |
| [20:44:09] | Beirdo: | I could think about it |
| [20:44:24] | Beirdo: | but I'm not sure I care to be a Canonical evangelist right now |
| [20:44:29] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:44:33] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:44:56] | sphery: | A friend of mine--who's always been a very Windows-y guy--says he's switching to Ubuntu, now. |
| [20:45:03] | sphery: | I'm wondering how happy he'll be. |
| [20:45:10] | wagnerrp: | thats a terrible logo |
| [20:45:14] | Beirdo: | probably pretty good |
| [20:45:26] | sphery: | (especially since he's also planning to switch his wife, and they both do things in a very Windows way) |
| [20:45:28] | Beirdo: | err, pretty happy |
| [20:45:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:45:45] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to make something in kentucky blue, you better at least use the correct blue |
| [20:45:53] | sphery: | ah, there's a PNW team... |
| [20:45:57] | sphery: | Pacific NorthWest |
| [20:46:06] | sphery: | (as opposed to the black hat PWN team ;) |
| [20:46:31] | sphery: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PNWTeam |
| [20:46:40] | sphery: | of course, their wiki seems dead, now... but that's a different story |
| [20:47:07] | sphery: | ah, back :) |
| [20:50:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you might know the answer to this |
| [20:50:18] | wagnerrp: | when using transactions with mysql |
| [20:50:21] | sphery: | don't know |
| [20:50:23] | wagnerrp: | you get one transaction per connection |
| [20:50:30] | sphery: | (saw the question in dev channel) |
| [20:50:41] | sphery: | I would /guess/ so, but I'm not willing to say it's definite. |
| [20:51:06] | wagnerrp: | ok, reworking how the database access functions in the bindings |
| [20:51:16] | sphery: | did you finish the code to convert everyone to innodb? |
| [20:51:18] | sphery: | ;) |
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| [20:51:40] | wagnerrp: | no, this is actually trying to fix some issue RDV is having with thread-safety |
| [20:52:01] | wagnerrp: | hes got multiple threads trying to hit the same connection simultaneously |
| [20:52:05] | wagnerrp: | and its breaking things |
| [20:52:11] | Beirdo: | bad boy |
| [20:52:30] | Beirdo: | he should make a mysql thread and serialize it :) |
| [20:52:44] | wagnerrp: | but my intent is to fix it in a manner that would make sense for future use of innodb |
| [20:52:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, fair enough |
| [20:52:56] | sphery: | (I'm sure you know this so feel free to ignore, but) I think transactions are not supported in MySQL with the MyISAM engine (which most users use) |
| [20:53:07] | sphery: | ah, so thinking futre... |
| [20:53:09] | wagnerrp: | of course that might all be moot if direct mysql access is going away anyway |
| [20:53:22] | sphery: | Strange that the Python connection isn't multi-statement safe... |
| [20:54:06] | wagnerrp: | even more strange that you have to spawn a 'cursor' to use it |
| [20:54:08] | sphery: | (or maybe it just does things at the connection level and that would explain why they don't make it possible to have multiple statements open at the same time in a single connection) |
| [20:54:17] | sphery: | cursor, foiled again! |
| [20:54:52] | AndyCap: | automan? |
| [20:54:53] | wagnerrp: | mysql doesnt actually support cursors, unlike other DB engines, so the bindings fake it |
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| [20:55:37] | wagnerrp: | you would think the bindings would take that chance to make it multi-statement/thread-safe |
| [20:55:39] | wagnerrp: | but they dont |
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| [20:57:09] | sphery: | http://mysql-python.sourceforge.net/MySQLdb.html pretty much just says, "The general upshot of this is: Don't share connections between threads. It's really not worth your effort or mine, and in the end, will probably hurt performance, since the MySQL server runs a separate thread for each connection." |
| [20:57:22] | Beirdo: | ahh, now I remember why I liked using Server install |
| [20:57:26] | Beirdo: | much smaller :) |
| [20:57:29] | sphery: | so, sounds like you need a separate connection per thread in Python |
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| [20:57:47] | hal-emmerich: | Last question for the moment, I promise :) |
| [20:58:07] | hal-emmerich: | If I set it up on Intel Integrated graphics, then install the Geforce 6200 tomorrow |
| [20:58:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im making it a separate connection per 'cursor', and expecting users wont be sharing cursors between multiple threads |
| [20:58:24] | hal-emmerich: | Will I need to reinstall? or is Linux pretty easy to install hardware on like that |
| [20:58:31] | wagnerrp: | you have a board with intel graphics? |
| [20:58:36] | hal-emmerich: | yes |
| [20:58:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, as long as you document that requirement, I think it's a fair requirement to place upon bindings devs |
| [20:58:52] | wagnerrp: | i asked you that a couple hours ago, and got no response |
| [20:58:57] | wagnerrp: | that /should/ work fine with mythtv |
| [20:59:03] | hal-emmerich: | I did answer you >.> lol |
| [20:59:29] | hal-emmerich: | the only catch about it is theres no S-Video out on it, so I need some card for the purpose of video out |
| [20:59:39] | sphery: | and if your package manager is good, it shouldn't clutter up the file system (or break things like OpenGL support), either :) |
| [20:59:44] | sphery: | hal-emmerich: ^^^ |
| [20:59:45] | wagnerrp: | [14:48] <hal-emmerich> It does, actually |
| [20:59:47] | wagnerrp: | so you did... |
| [21:00:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there is that problem |
| [21:00:33] | sphery: | i.e. it's not about Linux--it's about the package manager--making it easy to upgrade hardware that requires proprietary drivers |
| [21:00:35] | hal-emmerich: | and I'm probably just going to go with Mythbuntu |
| [21:01:32] | sphery: | sounds like if your Intel graphics is lacking S-Video out, you actually need 2 things... |
| [21:01:39] | sphery: | an nvidia video card and a new TV :) |
| [21:02:08] | sphery: | (where you won't use S-Video, but will use a video connection method that's not yet a member of AARP :) |
| [21:02:22] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [21:03:21] | sphery: | that was a joke--I realize that HDTV's aren't really worth the cost (even now, when the cost has dropped significantly) |
| [21:03:33] | sphery: | so if you're happy with S-Video... |
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| [21:03:43] | wagnerrp: | says the man with the monstrosity in his living room |
| [21:03:57] | sphery: | heh, yeah--how do you think I figured out they're not worth the cost :) |
| [21:04:02] | wagnerrp: | you know, i have an aunt and uncle with one that big |
| [21:04:11] | wagnerrp: | theyve decided that the tv is staying with the hours |
| [21:04:14] | wagnerrp: | house |
| [21:04:24] | sphery: | only thing I didn't need to try before I tell people how bad it is was 3D TV :) |
| [21:04:46] | wagnerrp: | they had to tear apart their staircase to get it into the basement |
| [21:04:46] | sphery: | yeah, if I sold my house, I'd likely throw the TV in as part of the deal |
| [21:04:53] | wagnerrp: | when it leaves, its leaving in pieces |
| [21:05:06] | sphery: | but for me, more because I want to go a different way, now |
| [21:06:07] | sphery: | (but that way won't be SED because the company that wanted money from Toshiba to license it when Canon and Toshiba were working to commercialize it killed it--and all future revenue from its use) |
| [21:06:44] | sphery: | SED is dead! :( Here's hoping NED or some other FED makes it. |
| [21:10:52] | sphery: | seems someone on the -users list is hitting his PSU's 5V rail limit |
| [21:11:55] | wagnerrp: | jack flash at vmware wants us to be his friend |
| [21:11:58] | sphery: | oh, no, it's not that... |
| [21:12:51] | rhollan: | LDAP is driving me crazy |
| [21:13:49] | wagnerrp: | aww |
| [21:13:55] | wagnerrp: | anonymous users cant slander an account |
| [21:14:25] | rhollan: | It would help a great deal if the online docs were up to date. |
| [21:14:39] | rhollan: | slapd moved toward keeping LDAP's own config in it's DB |
| [21:14:49] | rhollan: | so all the old docs are out of date. |
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| [21:17:16] | sphery: | jack flash? Is he the guy who was jumpin'? |
| [21:17:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:17:34] | Beirdo: | he's a gas, gas, gas |
| [21:17:37] | sphery: | heh |
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| [21:18:17] | wagnerrp: | "he's a"? i always though it was "get some" |
| [21:19:41] | sphery: | It's a? |
| [21:20:12] | Beirdo: | something like that |
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| [21:22:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ever heard of -dora users having massive memory issues? |
| [21:27:49] | wagnerrp: | in reference to http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13254 . . . -1-fc13.html |
| [21:28:23] | wagnerrp: | in other news, vbulletin uses absolutely horrendous links |
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| [21:29:19] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [21:30:59] | gbee: | anykey_: are you using trunk? |
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| [21:31:40] | wagnerrp: | !seen anykey_ |
| [21:31:40] | MythLogBot: | anykey_ is here and has been idle for 1 day 9 hours 5 minutes 37 seconds |
| [21:31:54] | wagnerrp: | delayed response... |
| [21:32:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:32:17] | Beirdo: | gives a whole new meaning to "Hit any key to continue" |
| [21:32:33] | [R]: | WHERES THE ANY KEY? |
| [21:32:44] | wagnerrp: | apparently idle |
| [21:32:48] | [R]: | haha |
| [21:32:51] | gbee: | I'm curious to know what the locale value, printed during frontend/backend startup is for Swiss users, or for that matter Belgium and other countries which have multiple official languages |
| [21:32:51] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [21:32:53] | [R]: | do you remember that simpsons episode |
| [21:32:59] | [R]: | where homer used the bird to push the any key? |
| [21:32:59] | Beirdo: | startx is not installed. fun |
| [21:33:06] | gbee: | [R]: yeah, we remember it :) |
| [21:33:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont want to look like an idiot, ill take the mumu |
| [21:33:41] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [21:34:08] | [R]: | omg |
| [21:34:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: haven't heard anything |
| [21:34:13] | [R]: | since when can you hit "menu" from the main menu |
| [21:34:18] | [R]: | and get a list of shutdown/reboot/about |
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| [21:34:45] | gbee: | few months |
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| [21:34:59] | sphery: | trunk? |
| [21:35:03] | [R]: | nah, 23fixes |
| [21:35:10] | sphery: | ah, yeah, been there for a while |
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| [21:35:24] | jams: | wasn't that in .22 ? |
| [21:35:49] | sphery: | the power button exit prompt was there in 0.22... I don't remember when the menu one went in |
| [21:35:52] | jams: | not that it matters but thout it was |
| [21:35:59] | sphery: | (but since you wrote it, you probabyl remember better :) |
| [21:36:18] | jams: | oh I don't know I have had it since before .21 |
| [21:36:35] | jams: | don't remember exactly when it was committed |
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| [21:38:26] | sphery: | #4571, committed in [20852] (so during dev for 0.22) |
| [21:39:26] | Beirdo: | OK, hopefully, I'll be ready to work on mythweather again today |
| [21:39:40] | Beirdo: | weather.com maps are gonzo |
| [21:39:58] | Beirdo: | they have not replied at all |
| [21:40:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | :-( |
| [21:40:17] | Beirdo: | gonna check the TOS on weather underground maps |
| [21:41:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: accuweather.com seems to have an API – I don't know if we would 'qualify' for usage though, haven't read the TOS. |
| [21:41:21] | Beirdo: | hmm, worth looking into |
| [21:43:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm.. it might only be subscription now? I swear when I looked ~6 months ago they had something available for non-commercial use... |
| [21:43:54] | ** Beirdo waits for linux-headers to unpack... ** | |
| [21:46:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: http://www.webmashup.com/API/Weather/AccuWeather-API-l1862.html |
| [21:48:27] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [21:48:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Humm... http://www.webmashup.com/tag/weather/ — another interesting concept – aprs weather station info – it's free- often provided by local HAM operators... |
| [21:48:49] | Beirdo: | wow, this really is stripped down. No flippin window manage :) |
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| [21:49:05] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: weve really got plenty of data |
| [21:49:20] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that getting rid of weather.com basically removes all radar images |
| [21:49:27] | Beirdo: | it's the maps that we are losing, basically |
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| [21:49:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah... radar.. :-( accuweather has them too, not sure about usage though... |
| [21:50:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | although they're not as 'polished' as the weatherchannel.com ones... |
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| [21:51:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | how about NOAA ? <sorry if I'm asking things that have already been asked — just tell me to 'shut up' if that's the case...> ;-) |
| [21:51:27] | oneman: | hi |
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| [21:53:24] | wagnerrp: | the NOAA stuff i saw was rather unrefined |
| [21:53:48] | wagnerrp: | great if youre a meteorologist and can interpret raw doppler data |
| [21:53:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, probably similar to 'accuweather' then... |
| [21:53:53] | wagnerrp: | not so much otherwise |
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| [21:55:43] | Beirdo: | there are some possibilities to look into for sure.... Many of them seem to include image processing and layering |
| [21:55:47] | Beirdo: | which should be fun |
| [21:55:58] | Beirdo: | imagemagick, here we come |
| [21:56:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Yeah, that seems to be the trend, eh? |
| [21:56:13] | oneman: | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Control_Verizon_Fi . . . Over_Network |
| [21:56:37] | Beirdo: | sure does. |
| [21:56:48] | Beirdo: | I don't mind it, but it will be... interesting |
| [21:57:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Are those transparent GIFs, or is the overlaying done with the software? |
| [21:57:13] | Beirdo: | not sure, I didn't look in that detail |
| [21:57:20] | Beirdo: | likely transparent PNG or something |
| [21:57:37] | rhollan: | I am getting VERY ANGRY with LDAP |
| [21:57:45] | rhollan: | so very very VERY angry |
| [21:57:49] | Beirdo: | gotta get the machine ready before looking at it too hard |
| [21:58:04] | Beirdo: | rhollan: then just don't use it :) it enrages most people |
| [21:58:31] | rhollan: | I want to set up an email server without user unix accounts and figured LDAP would be the beast for email account storage |
| [21:58:46] | Beirdo: | wow, this computer (with mirrored drives) likes to go GRINDY |
| [21:58:58] | Beirdo: | rhollan: enjoy then |
| [21:59:02] | rhollan: | trouble is all the online docs just don't work: duplicate entries where there should be none, etc. |
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| [22:21:50] | justinh: | heh fios IP remote guy is very sweary |
| [22:22:21] | justinh: | and if anybody hates a service provider so much they should just ship out |
| [22:23:58] | bjd: | probably has to deal with a lot of idiots |
| [22:26:33] | justinh: | such is the life of people who release stuff unto a community |
| [22:26:50] | Beirdo: | justinh: I'm sure you can relate to that :) |
| [22:26:58] | bjd: | :D |
| [22:27:27] | justinh: | yeh well. I kinda want to unleash 'concept' at some point maybe but I don't want to get burned again |
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| [22:27:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A cheers as his son arrived safe in Philly for training for his new job with Verizon... ;-) ** | |
| [22:27:54] | justinh: | if I do I reckon I'll just plop it out there then go dark .. or just do it anon |
| [22:28:39] | justinh: | no email address, no pack drill... you like, you use, if not go do stuff to yo'self |
| [22:29:27] | justinh: | that's if I ever get it anywhere near finished lol |
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| [22:36:53] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [22:37:09] | Beirdo: | when I start X, then try to go back to a console... black screen |
| [22:37:11] | Beirdo: | sig |
| [22:37:15] | Beirdo: | sigh even |
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| [22:38:25] | lapion: | him dies anyone know why pbp are overlapped ? |
| [22:40:41] | Beirdo: | I need the nv X driver, not nouveau, correct? |
| [22:40:50] | Beirdo: | assuming I want vdpau to work |
| [22:41:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Right. |
| [22:41:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: you have to blacklist nouveau – I did so in the grub.conf file... |
| [22:41:22] | Beirdo: | now how would I convince xorg to use it? :) |
| [22:41:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:42:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: I just got my system working Saturday on FC13 – that was a bit of a learning curve from FC8!!! |
| [22:42:22] | Beirdo: | If I had used Ubuntu Desktop, it would already be working |
| [22:42:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A is lucky his keyboard survived with all the had bashing that day... ** | |
| [22:43:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | *head bashing even... |
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| [22:44:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: ... and for FC13, the nvidia install didn't work, I had to google and find instructions on how to download an RPM from rpmfusion... |
| [22:44:35] | Beirdo: | ouch |
| [22:45:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... that was a first for me... I've been a Fedora faithful since Jarod's guide many moons ago... 2 or 3... |
| [22:46:05] | lapion: | pbp in my situation is actually picture on picture mode |
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| [22:52:46] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: you need the nvidia driver, nv is just the 2d nvidia driver which got killed off recently. |
| [22:53:43] | EvilGuru: | Good riddance |
| [22:54:02] | AndyCap: | hehe |
| [22:54:27] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [22:54:39] | Beirdo: | and where does this driver come from, I wonder |
| [22:56:34] | Beirdo: | makes sense though |
| [22:56:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: download it from nvidia.com ? then you have to compile it via 'init 3' 'sh NV...', then 'init 5'... |
| [22:57:03] | Beirdo: | screw that :) |
| [22:57:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:57:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ** | |
| [22:57:24] | Beirdo: | ubuntu has it packaged, it's just a matter of doing it right |
| [22:57:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's actually pretty simple... ^^ ah. cheaters! ;-) |
| [22:58:06] | Beirdo: | aahahh |
| [22:58:33] | Beirdo: | Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
| [22:58:36] | Beirdo: | grrr |
| [22:59:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | yum install kernel-devel ... woops, that's for Fedora. ;-) |
| [22:59:29] | Beirdo: | I shoulda known this was the issue |
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| [23:15:46] | Beirdo: | this is wonderful |
| [23:15:54] | Beirdo: | now it's stuck at the stupid splash screen |
| [23:16:08] | Beirdo: | how I hate upstart |
| [23:17:21] | Beirdo: | but ssh in, sudo startx, and X is fine |
| [23:17:29] | Beirdo: | now what the heck got wedged |
| [23:17:37] | Beirdo: | no consoles at all |
| [23:23:06] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [23:23:11] | Beirdo: | mysql not working |
| [23:29:57] | Beirdo: | reboot... again :) |
| [23:30:29] | Beirdo: | muuuch better |
| [23:30:43] | Beirdo: | ripped out mysql, reinstalled it cleanly |
| [23:31:05] | Beirdo: | note to self... do not rsync /var/lib/mysql from 32bit to 64bit... |
| [23:31:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:46:53] | Beirdo: | computers are simply the bane of my existance |
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| [23:50:31] | lyricnz: | Heheh |
| [23:51:51] | Beirdo: | GOD I hate Windows |
| [23:52:08] | Beirdo: | it won't let me ping in from another network |
| [23:52:18] | Beirdo: | and danged if I can find how to change it |
| [23:52:40] | ** Beirdo becomes a monkey and flings feces at the computer ** | |
| [23:54:43] | lyricnz: | "ping in from another network"? |
| [23:54:50] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:55:00] | Beirdo: | I can't ping 192.168.0.2 from 192.168.1.5 |
| [23:55:05] | Beirdo: | and the routing is correct |
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| [23:55:17] | Beirdo: | it's firewalling the stupid pings |
| [23:55:30] | Beirdo: | ON the windows box, not in the router |
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| [23:56:04] | Beirdo: | OK, compiling myth :) |
| [23:57:03] | lyricnz: | okay, feel better? :) |
| [23:57:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:57:15] | Beirdo: | kinda |
| [23:57:26] | Beirdo: | still wanna send stink-bombs to Redmond |
| [23:57:34] | lyricnz: | Firewalling icmp? on a windows box? Surely not. |
| [23:57:44] | lyricnz: | Are you *sure* the routing is correct? |
| [23:57:47] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [23:57:54] | Beirdo: | absolutely |
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| [23:58:37] | Beirdo: | Although I'll add a lousy extra route just in case |
| [23:58:42] | Beirdo: | shouldn't need it |
| [23:59:35] | Beirdo: | it's Windows not knowing how to route, it seems |
| [23:59:43] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [23:59:50] | Beirdo: | anyways, fixed it for now |
| [23:59:58] | Beirdo: | until the next time windows reboots |
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