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[00:15:59] | johnnyj: | i have completely hosed my nvidia driver somehow |
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[00:19:41] | wagnerrp: | anyone know if the sigma designs chips were over open-spec'd? |
[00:20:04] | wagnerrp: | i mean certainly it wouldnt be difficult to get mythtv running on an ARM |
[00:20:22] | wagnerrp: | but it would all be for naught if there was no way to ever get the video decoders running |
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[00:22:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, No, they haven't been |
[00:22:30] | iamlindoro: | no current way to use the DSPs in an open source project |
[00:22:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's his Android phone... ;-) ** | |
[00:22:56] | iamlindoro: | And the code linked is *just* the GPL code, not the proprietary stuff on top of it (which you doubtless already knew) |
[00:23:08] | iamlindoro: | they might as well just mirror the kernel and pretend they are doing you a favor |
[00:23:17] | iamlindoro: | Since that's basically exactly what they're doing |
[00:25:28] | iamlindoro: | In other news, yay new futurama starting tomorrow! |
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[00:26:14] | Beirdo: | nice |
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[00:28:36] | yudi1: | I created a 200gb jfs partition on an external esata drive, how do I move the default storage directory to the external drive. Right now it's in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. I cannot find any info @ hoto section, anybody could point me in the right direction |
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[00:29:18] | yudi1: | sorry I meant howto section @ mythtv.org |
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[00:30:05] | wagnerrp: | you dont move it, you just add the new directory to the storage group you want |
[00:30:24] | wagnerrp: | you can move files freely within any directory listed on that storage group |
[00:31:46] | yudi1: | I am just watching live tv and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is filling up my 10gb partition. I just want to stop that |
[00:32:28] | yudi1: | I never used jfs before. Do I need to create a folder first and then add it? |
[00:33:29] | wagnerrp: | format the disk, mount it, make a new folder, and then add that folder to the storage group of choice in mythtv-setup |
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[00:35:27] | yudi1: | formatted the disk using gparted, mounted it, but unable to create a folder, option greyed out, I am using ubuntu 10.04 ext4. do I need to install jfsutils first? |
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[00:35:57] | wagnerrp: | grayed out? |
[00:36:06] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know 'mkdir' could be grayed out |
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[00:40:43] | yudi1: | mkdir: cannot create directory `recording': Permission denied, this is what I am getting |
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[00:41:09] | wagnerrp: | so you need to fix your permissions |
[00:41:13] | wagnerrp: | `chmod` |
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[00:43:38] | yudi1: | ok, I read some where that /var/lib/mythtv/recordings, and the new directory should have same permissions, |
[00:43:45] | yudi1: | is that right |
[00:44:01] | wagnerrp: | they should both be writable by the user running mythbackend |
[00:47:40] | yudi1: | ok, I never used chmod before, just reading up on it |
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[00:53:28] | wagnerrp: | wow... apparently deus ex 2 was so hated, people have been maintaining deus ex 1 for the last decade |
[00:53:48] | wagnerrp: | retexture, rebalance, and DX10 support |
[00:55:10] | wagnerrp: | unfortunately it still looks like late '90s crap, but with dynamic lighting |
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[00:57:22] | yudi1: | wagnerrp, when I do ls -l, this is what come out: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 256 2010-06–24 10:03 mythtv, mythtv is the partition name |
[00:57:56] | yudi1: | does it mean owner of the partition is root? |
[00:58:26] | wagnerrp: | the directory name is 'mythtv', not the partition |
[00:58:37] | wagnerrp: | and yes, that means root owns it, and everyone else has read-only access |
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[00:59:54] | yudi1: | no it is the partition label, so can I just use sudo chown to change it to my account |
[01:02:19] | yudi1: | after sudo chown, this is what it looks like, drwxr-xr-x 2 rv root 256 2010-06–24 10:03 mythtv, rv is my account, what does root signify here |
[01:02:52] | yudi1: | this is the only partition with root in it, every other partition has rv rv |
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[01:04:42] | yudi1: | ok I created a folder in jfs partition, now just add that as new directory? |
[01:06:23] | yudi1: | now I have two entries under default storage group directories, will mythtv use the new directory or the old one? |
[01:09:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | yudi1: it will use all that are defined... So you should delete the one you don't want with the "d" key... and copy your files over from the old dir to the new dir. |
[01:10:56] | yudi1: | I have no recordings in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings, just livetv recordings, so its safe to delete it? |
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[01:15:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | yudi1: I don't know if it matters since it's livetv recordings, but the backend might get confused if it can't find them to expire/delete, so I'd move them over anyways unless somebody else knows better... ;-) |
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[01:23:29] | yudi1: | I just deleted it, and the tv is running alright, but I nothing is being generated at the new location?? |
[01:24:37] | yudi1: | what other locations does it save files to? |
[01:26:06] | wagnerrp: | only those locations you define in the storage group |
[01:27:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | yudi1: did you restart the backend? |
[01:27:37] | yudi1: | no, will do that. |
[01:27:57] | wagnerrp: | you must restart the backend for changes in mythtv-setup to take effect |
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[01:28:08] | yudi1: | k |
[01:28:47] | yudi1: | what I want to know is do I need to change all the storage groups or just the default |
[01:29:07] | wagnerrp: | unless you specify otherwise, recordings will record to 'Default' |
[01:31:57] | yudi1: | after i deleted default location, did not restart backend, it save all the fresh livetv to var/lib/mythtv/livetv. if I restart will it go back to default |
[01:32:06] | yudi1: | I mean new location |
[01:32:30] | wagnerrp: | changes in mythtv-setup will not take effect until you restart the backend |
[01:32:56] | yudi1: | sudo restart mythtv-backend – right/ |
[01:33:05] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know |
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[01:35:01] | yudi1: | restarted, no its not using default, still using var/lib/mythtv/livetv, I guess I need to change this as well |
[01:36:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | yudi1: Umm,, yeah, if you've got a "livetv" storage group, it's going to use that for livetv recordings... |
[01:38:51] | yudi1: | it's got quite a few storage groups, – default, livetv, db backup, videos .......... list goes on |
[01:40:42] | yudi1: | created a new group in livetv, deleted the old one, restarted backend, tv does not play |
[01:41:27] | yudi1: | is there anywhere else needs updating |
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[01:45:18] | yudi1: | I changed the storage directories and now tv does not start |
[01:45:27] | yudi1: | any ideas why? |
[01:45:48] | wagnerrp: | check your backend log |
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[01:54:16] | yudi1: | trying to access http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/, but getting a blank page? using firefox |
[01:55:27] | yudi1: | Is there any link that I can read up on howto change storage directories |
[01:55:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that happens |
[01:55:35] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.ca is flakey |
[01:55:54] | wagnerrp: | which is why the topic now lists to use mythtv.pastebin.com |
[01:58:22] | yudi1: | could you have a look at this http://mythtv.pastebin.com/3kXrUuzZ, I dont have a clue |
[01:58:31] | yudi1: | please |
[01:58:44] | wagnerrp: | i could try, but firefox is being flakey at the moment too |
[01:59:09] | yudi1: | k |
[02:00:32] | yudi1: | offtopic qts, do you know how to stop empathy from scrolling the end when I am trying to have a look at old messages? |
[02:00:39] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i really need to move my user profile onto the domain |
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[02:01:25] | wagnerrp: | line 154 seems pretty descriptive of the problem to me |
[02:02:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | and 250/251 |
[02:02:50] | Beirdo: | yawn |
[02:03:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | you can't yawn, it's only 7pm for you. ;-) |
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[02:13:49] | Beirdo: | ugh, blah |
[02:14:01] | Beirdo: | so? I'm allowed to yawn at 7 :) |
[02:15:13] | Beirdo: | some yappy little mutt is going crazy outside |
[02:15:21] | Beirdo: | yap yap ayap |
[02:15:38] | Beirdo: | Hike!.... punt! |
[02:15:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | or if you're down south.... yap yap yap *bang* .. .. ... |
[02:16:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
[02:16:35] | Beirdo: | I like dogs... but that's an overgrown rat |
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[02:16:58] | cleith: | Hello |
[02:17:11] | cleith: | Anyone around tonight? |
[02:17:30] | Beirdo: | nope |
[02:17:34] | cleith: | nice |
[02:17:35] | Beirdo: | just us chickens |
[02:17:44] | wagnerrp: | !seen Anyone |
[02:17:44] | MythLogBot: | Anyone was last seen 1631 days 9 hours 44 seconds ago |
[02:17:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ beat me to it... |
[02:17:53] | wagnerrp: | seems youre out of luck |
[02:17:53] | Beirdo: | figures |
[02:18:18] | wagnerrp: | !seen chickens |
[02:18:18] | MythLogBot: | chickens has not been seen here |
[02:18:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | !seen luck |
[02:18:26] | MythLogBot: | luck has not been seen here |
[02:18:40] | Beirdo: | !seen common sense |
[02:18:40] | MythLogBot: | common sense has not been seen here |
[02:18:49] | wagnerrp: | you can take spaces? |
[02:18:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A is ROTFLMAO! ** | |
[02:19:01] | Beirdo: | for !seen, yeah |
[02:19:08] | Beirdo: | it takes everything after seen |
[02:19:08] | wagnerrp: | !seen ROTFLMAO |
[02:19:08] | MythLogBot: | ROTFLMAO has not been seen here |
[02:19:27] | yudi1: | wagnerrp, jaffa, thankyou, tv back on, n recording on external drive. I have this setup on laptop and olny watch tv when home, how will mythtv behave with hotplugging tv tuners and storage? |
[02:19:57] | Beirdo: | hotplugging? I bet it will crash when you yank the plug |
[02:20:24] | cleith: | I recently switched from VDPAU to Xv and now OSD display has some quirks. Anyone understand why the volume OSD will not appear on the program guide (but will work fine when playing video)? |
[02:20:37] | Beirdo: | cleith: umm, WHY? |
[02:20:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | yudi1: it's not designed for hot plugging at all... |
[02:21:08] | Beirdo: | first off, why would you need to change volume in the program guide |
[02:21:19] | Beirdo: | secondly, why would you want to use MORE CPU? |
[02:21:34] | yudi1: | beirdo, ofcource I will stop frontend but will it be alright |
[02:22:08] | Beirdo: | yudi1: it's the backend that matters |
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[02:22:32] | cleith: | Beirdo: happy to use VDPAU but after some libXcomposite update (I think) I am getting all sorts of ugliness on fast motion... like blurring around the edges of people... hard to describe |
[02:22:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | yudi1: I don't think you understand myth's design then... You should run the backend on a 'server'... without hot-plugging things. |
[02:23:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | cleith: are you sure that's vdpau, and not the source? |
[02:23:43] | cleith: | And since there is still a preview of the video in the program guide, I think it still makes sense to be able to change the volume, no? |
[02:23:58] | Beirdo: | ah, I guess |
[02:24:04] | ** Beirdo burps ** | |
[02:24:11] | Beirdo: | yummy cream soda |
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[02:24:20] | cleith: | Actually the volume still changes fine, but the OSD does not appear |
[02:24:46] | yudi1: | jeffa- I understand, just trying to get the best outcome, I am used to vista MC, it had no issues hotpugging. but now I completely moved to linux and would love to have the same feature. |
[02:24:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Why would the OSD appear on the program guide screen? |
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[02:25:38] | cleith: | Well VDPAU was working pretty well for me previously (same source) and then after this update it started behaving badly. |
[02:25:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heck, half the time I'd like an option to turn off the OSD 100%... |
[02:26:05] | Beirdo: | booo, Twilight movies... |
[02:26:40] | wagnerrp: | its nothing to do with linux, and everything to do with mythtv |
[02:26:45] | cleith: | Oddly, with VDPAU the volume OSD did appear, but now it does not. Just wondered if anyone understood the logic. |
[02:26:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not expect you to be adding and removing tuners on a whim |
[02:27:10] | wagnerrp: | it expects to be running on dedicated hardware |
[02:27:47] | cleith: | Different OSD question... |
[02:28:16] | Beirdo: | my VDPAU-capable card is currently being held hostage in the mailroom of my apt building |
[02:28:36] | Beirdo: | I'll get it from them tomorrow |
[02:28:42] | yudi1: | wagnerrp, so there is no workaround? even if I shut down the backend first |
[02:28:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: call a locksmith. ;-) |
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[02:29:06] | Beirdo: | I got enough other crap to do |
[02:29:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | j/k ;-) |
[02:29:24] | cleith: | When playing videos (DVD ISO ripped to hard drive) the OSD is not as well defined or crisp – it's almost a bit blury. Anybody know why that might be? (using "Internal" video player) |
[02:29:37] | wagnerrp: | what resolution is your TV? |
[02:30:06] | wagnerrp: | cleith: ^^^ |
[02:30:54] | cleith: | It is native 1920x1080 and I am feeding it that via DVI to HDMI from a 9500GT |
[02:30:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Isn't the OSD drawn at a much lower res unless you're using vdpau? |
[02:31:30] | wagnerrp: | there are limitations of the Xv painter, that the video must be rendered, converted, and composited into the raw video stream |
[02:31:49] | wagnerrp: | the side effect is that you are playing low resolution content on a high resolution display |
[02:31:57] | cleith: | OSD for live tv or recorded programs looks great though, why the difference? |
[02:32:01] | wagnerrp: | it will be rendered at the low resolution, and then upscaled by the video card |
[02:32:13] | wagnerrp: | switch to the opengl painter |
[02:32:19] | wagnerrp: | s/painter/renderer/ |
[02:32:23] | Beirdo: | mmmm, HDPVR :) |
[02:32:47] | Beirdo: | not TOO much point getting it all hooked up until I have that card in my possession :) |
[02:32:58] | cleith: | wagnerrp: can you point me to that setting in 0.23 |
[02:33:11] | wagnerrp: | playback profiles |
[02:33:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Heheheh... ;-) Unless you want to record something in HD tonight, which you can finally watch tomorrow. |
[02:33:39] | cleith: | wagnerrp: Is that instead of Xv, or some complementary setting |
[02:33:41] | Beirdo: | there is that |
[02:33:47] | wagnerrp: | instead of Xv |
[02:33:47] | Beirdo: | but then I can't watch TV :) |
[02:34:07] | wagnerrp: | opengl is the preferred renderer for anyone with the hardware to support it |
[02:34:09] | cleith: | wagnerrp: OK, I'll have a look. Thanks. |
[02:34:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: you could, it would just play for 1 second, then pause, then play, then pause, or the video would be all 'notchy'... ;-) |
[02:34:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
[02:34:59] | cleith: | In terms of settings... is there a "QT style" setting somewhere in 0.23? |
[02:35:03] | Beirdo: | OR, I could hook the component OUT on the HDPVR to the TV |
[02:35:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | There ya go. |
[02:37:46] | Beirdo: | I think my current mythbox would have a cow if I tried to playback recordings from this :) |
[02:38:16] | Beirdo: | does the HDPVR support include the IR blaster? |
[02:39:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: I think Jarod's got it working, but I'm not sure if he's got it stable as of yet – I haven't looked in a while... |
[02:39:44] | Beirdo: | hmm |
[02:39:53] | Beirdo: | and he's not here today :) |
[02:42:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | you must have cheated and queried your bot locally... ;-) |
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[02:44:10] | Beirdo: | nah. irssi tab completion |
[02:44:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... setting up a new disk for FC13 – should I use the default LVM+ext4 configuration it wants to define??? |
[02:49:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well Golly... ext4 seems to be faster than xfs... humm... at least according to what I'm finding so far... like 50% faster in some cases... humm... |
[02:50:06] | Beirdo: | heeh |
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[02:52:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I'll use 'traditional' partitions, and format them as ext4. ;-) |
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[02:54:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ya think there would be anything to gain by creating a seperate partion for my DB on the same disk as my OS? My backend has one drive (mirrored) for the OS and DB, and seperate drives for Myth 'data'... ;-) |
[02:54:51] | Beirdo: | yes |
[02:54:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's DB is > 500MB. ** | |
[02:55:18] | Beirdo: | it will keep the DB from getting screwed by something else filling the filesystem |
[02:55:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Ok, just wasn't sure if I'd gain anything unless it was on a physically seperate disk from the OS. |
[02:55:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ Yeah, that's only happened once or twice in the past ??? (4? 5? – can't remember!), but it's cheap insurance! |
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[02:56:28] | Beirdo: | happens to me more often than I care to tell |
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[02:57:37] | cleith: | Anybody know if "QT style" is still a setting affecting themes in 0.23? |
[02:58:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | cleith: IDK for sure, but probably not with the MythUI changes... |
[02:58:51] | cleith: | J-e-f-f-A: IDK? |
[02:59:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | I Don't Know |
[02:59:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
[02:59:10] | cleith: | Ah |
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[03:00:12] | cleith: | I like the Mythbuntu wide theme, but the widgets on settings screens look pretty flat. Any way to spice that up? |
[03:00:41] | [R]: | spice? |
[03:00:46] | [R]: | they are qt widgets |
[03:01:06] | [R]: | you go into the settings that much that it bothers you? |
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[03:01:30] | imaginativeone_: | would someone help me with my hardware? |
[03:01:38] | cleith: | [R]: latey as I am setting up myth I have been there a lot ;) |
[03:01:51] | [R]: | and once you are done... then that's it |
[03:01:52] | cleith: | s/latey/lately |
[03:02:01] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: you have to tell us what your problem is first... |
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[03:02:29] | imaginativeone_: | I don't have a problem, per se...I just don't know where to begin |
[03:02:34] | cleith: | yeah, just thought it might be a simple setting (QT widget theme) exposed somewhere |
[03:02:50] | imaginativeone_: | my pc is 2.8 MHz |
[03:03:16] | [R]: | cleith: they removed that and it uses the "windows" style always |
[03:03:32] | imaginativeone_: | I have an nVidia GF FX5200/128MB PCI in my right hand |
[03:03:36] | cleith: | [R]: ok, thanks |
[03:03:44] | imaginativeone_: | what purpose does it serve? |
[03:03:50] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: output graphics? |
[03:03:58] | imaginativeone_: | thanks |
[03:04:00] | [R]: | lol |
[03:04:10] | Beirdo: | 2.8MHz/! |
[03:04:16] | imaginativeone_: | so, the Hauppauge 150 is for input? |
[03:04:17] | Beirdo: | they never made em that slow |
[03:04:23] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: thats a tuner card |
[03:04:27] | imaginativeone_: | 2.8 GHz |
[03:04:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Yes they did!!! |
[03:04:37] | imaginativeone_: | sorry about that |
[03:04:37] | Beirdo: | no they didn't :) |
[03:04:49] | imaginativeone_: | aaahhh... |
[03:04:51] | Beirdo: | 4.77MHz was the slowest PC IIRC :) |
[03:04:54] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
[03:05:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: My Timex-Sinclari 1000 was only 1MHz iirc... ;-) |
[03:05:05] | imaginativeone_: | the tuner card is for changing channels? |
[03:05:15] | imaginativeone_: | what is IIRC? |
[03:05:25] | Beirdo: | if I recall correctly |
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[03:05:31] | imaginativeone_: | thanks |
[03:05:33] | Beirdo: | never mind, I'm being silly |
[03:05:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | or 'remember'. ;) |
[03:06:05] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: a tuner card is for capturing video and optionally tuning to a frequency |
[03:06:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: That Hauppauge 150 is good for capture via S-Video/analog audio. |
[03:06:25] | imaginativeone_: | thanks Jeffa |
[03:06:30] | Beirdo: | and not much more these days :) |
[03:06:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Are you in the US? |
[03:06:45] | imaginativeone_: | yes |
[03:07:25] | imaginativeone_: | so, if I don't need to capture via S-Video, I won't be using the Hauppauge 150? |
[03:07:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, then the analog tuner in the 150 is of no use unless you have Cable TV, and your cableco still broadcasts analog... |
[03:08:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: It's a great card to capture S-Video out of a set-top-box. |
[03:08:02] | imaginativeone_: | can it capture OTA HD? |
[03:08:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nope |
[03:08:09] | [R]: | you need an ATSC tuner for that |
[03:08:13] | imaginativeone_: | rats |
[03:08:13] | Beirdo: | or unless you are going to capture standard definition TV output from a cable/satellite box |
[03:08:37] | imaginativeone_: | now I need to get an ATSC tuner... |
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[03:10:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: What do you plan to record/play back with Myth? Just ATSC HD? |
[03:10:20] | ** Beirdo slaps Hauppauge ** | |
[03:10:29] | Beirdo: | stupid blue LEDs. HATE EM! |
[03:11:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Did you start your first recording on the HD-PVR? |
[03:11:24] | [R]: | Beirdo: electrical tape works wonders |
[03:11:38] | [R]: | Beirdo: i heard you can open it up and disconnect the light too |
[03:11:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Yeah, except that they blast some of them out of the vents on the hd-pvr... |
[03:11:58] | [R]: | oh, are those vents? hehe |
[03:12:01] | Beirdo: | not yet. looking to see what the wiki says... |
[03:12:13] | cleith: | Thanks all. Later. |
[03:12:13] | [R]: | the windows driver aparently has the ability to turn it off |
[03:12:20] | [R]: | i just shove it in a closet |
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[03:12:29] | [R]: | solves all my problems |
[03:12:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
[03:12:47] | Beirdo: | blue LEDs should be made illegal |
[03:12:56] | [R]: | i've noticed an increase in them over the years |
[03:13:08] | [R]: | i'm too paranoid to open up my hdpvr... but i've seen pics with a connector for the light |
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[03:13:25] | Beirdo: | the government protects us from ourselves with drugs... but not from retina-searing blue LEDs |
[03:13:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: perhaps for the ones on the top, but probably not for the ones on the front panel. (which aren't *that* bad...) |
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[03:14:44] | Beirdo: | front panel blue LEDs are easy to fix |
[03:14:46] | Beirdo: | sharpie |
[03:15:19] | imaginativeone_: | Jeffa: what is "ATSC" HD? |
[03:15:36] | imaginativeone_: | to answer your question, I think so...yes |
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[03:16:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: That's Over-the-air HD in the US. |
[03:16:34] | imaginativeone_: | ah |
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[03:17:00] | imaginativeone_: | then yes, I plan to record that |
[03:17:13] | imaginativeone_: | and watch dvds |
[03:17:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: It's MPEG2, so even with the older nvidia card you have, it should work fine. |
[03:17:46] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: well front panel... thats what the electrical tape is for |
[03:17:47] | imaginativeone_: | ATSC HD is MPEG2? |
[03:18:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: yep. |
[03:18:07] | imaginativeone_: | thanks |
[03:18:08] | [R]: | even ATSC SD is mpeg32 |
[03:18:09] | [R]: | mpeg2* |
[03:18:33] | imaginativeone_: | so, once these cards are in, I just install? |
[03:18:40] | [R]: | huh? |
[03:19:00] | imaginativeone_: | the nVidia and the 150 |
[03:19:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: How familar are you with Linux? |
[03:19:10] | imaginativeone_: | do I need any other hardware? |
[03:19:16] | imaginativeone_: | not very |
[03:19:24] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: the mythtv documentation explains everything you need |
[03:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: You'll need an HD-capable tuner for HD. |
[03:19:46] | imaginativeone_: | ugh |
[03:20:10] | imaginativeone_: | I thought my 150 would be adequate for ATSC HD |
[03:20:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Then I'd recommend one of the pre-built myth distributions, such as MythBuntu or MythDora or... LinHES (right?) |
[03:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: No, we already told you that it is only SD – Standard Definition. |
[03:20:55] | imaginativeone_: | aaahhh... |
[03:20:56] | [R]: | iamlindoro: the 150 only does NTSC |
[03:21:22] | imaginativeone_: | if the 150 will do anything, that is all I need |
[03:21:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/ATSC |
[03:21:47] | imaginativeone_: | will it "convert" the OTA HD to SD? |
[03:21:49] | wagnerrp: | !seen iamlindoro |
[03:21:49] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 1 hour 10 minutes 54 seconds |
[03:22:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Nope. |
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[03:22:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Do you have Cable TV? |
[03:22:16] | [R]: | iamlindoro: like i've said 20 times... a hauppauge 150 will tune ntsc... thats it |
[03:22:17] | imaginativeone_: | so I need a new tuner... |
[03:22:26] | [R]: | imaginativeone_* |
[03:22:31] | imaginativeone_: | I cancelled FIOS TV yesterday |
[03:22:34] | imaginativeone_: | so, no. |
[03:22:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Why whould you do something crazy like that??? |
[03:22:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's FiOS TV... ;-) ** | |
[03:23:10] | imaginativeone_: | it isn't worth $158.32 per month |
[03:23:25] | imaginativeone_: | especially since I watch network tv |
[03:23:33] | Beirdo: | shuddup :) |
[03:23:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A is only paying $125/month for TV & 35/35 internet! ** | |
[03:23:49] | imaginativeone_: | NOW you're talkin' |
[03:23:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: sorry! |
[03:24:01] | Beirdo: | yeah well :) |
[03:24:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: FiOS bundle – Internet & Extreme HD. |
[03:24:11] | imaginativeone_: | now I have Roku + Vonage |
[03:24:27] | imaginativeone_: | + FIOS internet |
[03:24:44] | imaginativeone_: | Jeffa: that's what I requested...never got it |
[03:25:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Well, if you haven't already done so, head over to tvfool.com and see what you can get for over-the-air... (unless you already know that is...) |
[03:25:07] | imaginativeone_: | actually, I don't care to have HD |
[03:25:16] | imaginativeone_: | yup – did that |
[03:25:29] | imaginativeone_: | a local guy will be installing within the next few days |
[03:25:37] | imaginativeone_: | an antenna in my attic |
[03:25:54] | imaginativeone_: | Washington, DC stations |
[03:26:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: I was paying about $160/month for Dish Standard-definition + FiOS internet (15/2) – so switching to FiOS TV with a Bundle, even after adding HD, I'm saving money... |
[03:26:29] | imaginativeone_: | wow...Dish is supposed to be the money-saver |
[03:27:04] | imaginativeone_: | Amazon VOD is all I need for the new shows |
[03:27:25] | imaginativeone_: | OTA for brain-dead viewing |
[03:27:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Yeah, well, I could have kept them, but my monthly fees would have gone up by at least $20 a month to switch to HD... |
[03:27:40] | imaginativeone_: | ouch |
[03:27:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | And FiOS HD is STUNNING!!!! |
[03:27:43] | imaginativeone_: | $180 |
[03:27:49] | imaginativeone_: | that's a car payment |
[03:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: I wish my car payment was that low... :-( |
[03:28:13] | imaginativeone_: | don't get me wrong, HD is nice |
[03:28:50] | imaginativeone_: | I bought my sister's 2000 Dodge Caravan for $2000 cash |
[03:29:10] | imaginativeone_: | that car runs like a dream |
[03:29:19] | imaginativeone_: | electrical problems though... |
[03:29:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dish HD is quite impressive too, but they would not offer me anything to compete with FiOS, and i'd been a "Valued" Dish customer for 10+ years... |
[03:30:12] | imaginativeone_: | wow |
[03:30:50] | imaginativeone_: | Dish is finding out about the value of paying customers |
[03:30:56] | imaginativeone_: | the hard way |
[03:31:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: So I'm paying $124.99 for 6 months, then $134.99 for the next 18... still kicks butt, especially with the 35/35 internet... ;-) |
[03:31:20] | imaginativeone_: | I know a few extremely dissatisfied former Dish customers |
[03:31:43] | imaginativeone_: | Jeffa – yep that is not bad at all |
[03:32:02] | [R]: | J-e-f-f-A: did you have sync issues with the hdpvr on the dish receivers? |
[03:32:14] | imaginativeone_: | they just couldn't fix my account to get me to the right number |
[03:32:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: I'm on FiOS HD now – and don't have any. |
[03:32:48] | imaginativeone_: | any recommendations for my new tuner card? |
[03:32:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: I set my STB's to 1080i for HD content and 480i for SD content, and I believe I forced them to PCM format audio too... |
[03:33:02] | [R]: | booo @ pcm |
[03:33:03] | imaginativeone_: | as you can probably tell, I like it cheap |
[03:33:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: I haven't noticed any sync issues at all though... |
[03:33:31] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: both the mythtv wiki and the linuxtv wiki have cards that work... and then you tkae a trip to ebay |
[03:33:43] | imaginativeone_: | thanks |
[03:33:44] | ** [R] hugs dolby ** | |
[03:33:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: Humm... is pcm stereo only? |
[03:34:04] | [R]: | i dunno, i always just use dolby |
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[03:35:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: ... cause I am currently only using myth with 'sterio' speakers... I haven't setup my surround-sound system with Myth yet – Wife has been using that area for 'sorting' for a while and I haven't re-claimed it yet, nor created my 'man cave' home theater yet... |
[03:36:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A should get busy and do that!!!! ** | |
[03:36:33] | [R]: | i just got my sound perfect |
[03:36:46] | [R]: | sound out the hdmi, then optical from the tv to my receiver |
[03:36:46] | imaginativeone_: | are there any vendors who do all this for me? |
[03:36:59] | [R]: | when i first tried it out... it wasn't passing full 5.1... but now its working great |
[03:37:05] | [R]: | imaginativeone_: all "this"? |
[03:37:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Microsoft... Oh wait, you mean MythTV... nope. |
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[03:38:01] | imaginativeone_: | :-) |
[03:38:06] | imaginativeone_: | I can dream... |
[03:39:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | imaginativeone_: Just buy yourself an ATSC tuner (see the wiki page I linked to ~45 mins ago)... |
[03:39:31] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
[03:39:31] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
[03:40:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe... I forgot about that shortcut. ;-) Beirdo is smart. ;-) |
[03:40:57] | oobe is now known as duads | |
[03:44:24] | duads is now known as oobe | |
[03:44:28] | imaginativeone_: | HVR-2250 |
[03:44:35] | imaginativeone_: | will that work? |
[03:44:43] | oobe: | awesome |
[03:44:44] | [R]: | iamlindoro: what does the wiki say about it? |
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[03:45:00] | oobe: | new triggers |
[03:45:05] | oobe: | !help |
[03:45:12] | oobe: | !list |
[03:45:25] | wagnerrp: | !salmon oobe |
[03:45:25] | ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of oobe on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
[03:45:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe... didn't know about 'salmon' ... ;-) |
[03:46:06] | oobe: | !salmon some other fish with comical results |
[03:46:06] | ** MythLogBot connects with the head of some with a other fish with comical results salmon on behalf of oobe... ** | |
[03:57:08] | Beirdo: | naps rule |
[03:59:09] | wagnerrp: | mariners drool |
[03:59:44] | imaginativeone_: | "naps"? |
[03:59:48] | Beirdo: | umm, Mariners kicked the butts of the Reds well ) |
[03:59:48] | imaginativeone_: | baseball? |
[04:00:05] | Beirdo: | uup |
[04:00:18] | wagnerrp: | hey now, i never made any claims as to the skill of the reds |
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[04:00:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
[04:01:20] | imaginativeone_: | which team are the naps? |
[04:01:41] | wagnerrp: | the ones that are just so darned refreshing |
[04:01:52] | Beirdo: | the one that plays in bed |
[04:02:01] | Beirdo: | OK, that sounded better in my head |
[04:04:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | eek, now it's my 'nap time'... ;-) hehehehe... ZZZzzzz........ |
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[04:16:57] | Bhaal: | Beirdo: Aside from still not having any streaming video capabilities I had a good night in the end... Managed to get my mythfrontend machine to properly suspend and resume... It turns off/on the amplifier and the lcd tv.. so, essentially saving myself a little more money... |
[04:17:25] | Bhaal: | Which is good for winter considering the fish tank heaters chew ~400watts when they are on... |
[04:18:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
[04:18:26] | Beirdo: | nice |
[04:18:37] | Beirdo: | teach your fish to like cold water |
[04:19:23] | Bhaal: | Had to hack together another IR LED though, my hauppage MCE remote only came with IR LED ... so used an old IR transmit LED from my dead MCE remote and a headfone cable to make the additional transmitter... |
[04:19:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
[04:20:01] | Beirdo: | that reminds me... must work on the IR project again |
[04:20:01] | Bhaal: | Beirdo: hahaha, they are American, I would have to give them a good enough reason to listen to me first :) </sarcasm> |
[04:20:30] | Beirdo: | Bhaal: threaten them that you'll replace em with Mexicans and Chinese. That should work |
[04:20:46] | Bhaal: | a Red Devil and a bunch of black & white rabbits (other wise known as convicts)... |
[04:21:02] | Bhaal: | rabbits coz thats how they breed... |
[04:21:13] | Beirdo: | you're in .au? |
[04:21:16] | Bhaal: | yah |
[04:21:24] | Beirdo: | and you brought something called a rabbit?! |
[04:21:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[04:21:36] | Bhaal: | hahaha no... They care called 'Convicts' |
[04:21:44] | Bhaal: | I liken them to rabbits coz they breed like rabbits... |
[04:22:01] | Beirdo: | rabbits and Aussies are best of friends... not. |
[04:22:09] | Bhaal: | There is always 1 or 2 broods going at the same time... |
[04:22:14] | Beirdo: | wow |
[04:22:23] | Bhaal: | normally the fry dont live for more then a week before they are eaten though |
[04:22:47] | Beirdo: | fish hassenpfeffer |
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[04:23:26] | Bhaal: | I started out with a single pair, now I have about 10... And bunch of babies which have survived the first culling stage and appear as if they might stay alive long enough to be too big to fit in the mouths of the other convicts... |
[04:23:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
[04:23:49] | Beirdo: | toss a few shivs in the water |
[04:24:01] | Bhaal: | And the red devil is too lazy to go after them these days... he's ~10yrs old... |
[04:24:07] | Beirdo: | wow |
[04:24:09] | Bhaal: | shivs? |
[04:24:12] | Beirdo: | that's an old fish |
[04:24:23] | Bhaal: | Do you know what a red devil is? |
[04:24:27] | Beirdo: | yah... little home-made weapons that prisoners use |
[04:24:36] | Bhaal: | Ahhhh hahahaha |
[04:24:38] | Beirdo: | nope, I'm guessing :) |
[04:25:14] | Bhaal: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_devil_cichlid |
[04:25:47] | Bhaal: | mine is about 12" long, about 8" high... And draws blood if you give him a chance to bite you... |
[04:26:17] | Beirdo: | dang |
[04:26:22] | Bhaal: | The only reason he hasnt killed the convicts is coz they are faster and dive into caves on the bottom of the tank if they get chased... |
[04:26:23] | Beirdo: | good eating? ;) |
[04:26:42] | Bhaal: | Beirdo: hahahaha dunno, my father threatens to throw a line in whenever he is over tho |
[04:26:45] | Beirdo: | be stupid to eat, I'm sure |
[04:26:59] | Beirdo: | although sounds like he wants to eat you |
[04:27:13] | Bhaal: | Beirdo: expensive fish to eat... He is probably worth $150 or more in the shops at that size |
[04:27:27] | Beirdo: | not bad |
[04:27:37] | Bhaal: | Beirdo: oh yes, well, he would prefer that I was dead more then eat me... |
[04:27:40] | Beirdo: | still less than a 12" long chinook, I guess :) |
[04:27:45] | Beirdo: | nah |
[04:27:52] | Bhaal: | Im too big to fit in his mouth... |
[04:27:59] | Beirdo: | that'd be a baby chinook |
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[04:28:15] | Bhaal: | chinook? |
[04:28:17] | Beirdo: | I should get an aquarium to store yummy salmon. |
[04:28:32] | Beirdo: | doubt they'd appreciate it |
[04:29:02] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_salmon |
[04:29:04] | Beirdo: | :) |
[04:29:29] | Bhaal: | Ahhh righto |
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[04:29:35] | Beirdo: | should get a swimming pool to be an aquarium for some :) |
[04:29:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[04:29:43] | Beirdo: | up to 58" long :) |
[04:29:47] | subone: | How can I view the title number of the currently playing DVD? |
[04:29:48] | Beirdo: | and yummy |
[04:29:59] | Bhaal: | Hahahaha |
[04:30:13] | Bhaal: | I only like it smoked, thinly sliced on buttered bread... |
[04:30:21] | Beirdo: | mmm |
[04:30:36] | Beirdo: | I like salmon in many many forms... just not as roe |
[04:30:42] | Bhaal: | haha |
[04:30:50] | Beirdo: | and I'm in the perfect city for that taste :) |
[04:30:57] | Bhaal: | Indeed |
[04:31:24] | Bhaal: | Well, thats one more Routeboard and modem configured to go out to a customer... |
[04:32:08] | subone: | Anyone on topic this evening? |
[04:32:35] | Beirdo: | subone... sure. if the topic is eating yummy fish :) |
[04:32:45] | Bhaal: | hahaha |
[04:32:47] | Beirdo: | sorry, I don't know the answer for you |
[04:33:13] | sphery: | I didn't understand the question |
[04:33:16] | Bhaal: | We have to stay on topic 24/7? |
[04:33:43] | sphery: | subone: what exactly do you want to view? |
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[04:34:16] | Bhaal: | Im guessing he wants to press a button and have the title appear on the OSD |
[04:34:33] | wagnerrp: | what does every man between the ages of 12–120 want to view? |
[04:34:36] | sphery: | title information or title as in specific DVD video stream? |
[04:34:42] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: hahahahahahaha |
[04:35:12] | Beirdo: | pr0n... :) |
[04:35:17] | Beirdo: | simple question |
[04:35:18] | Beirdo: | hhe |
[04:35:25] | subone: | sphery, trying to rip a dvd, but idk which title is the correct/unscrambled one. trying to use a DVD player to show me which title it uses, but idk how to view the title number in mythtv |
[04:35:46] | sphery: | generally, you can just pick the longest one |
[04:35:58] | sphery: | /biggest one |
[04:36:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[04:36:11] | subone: | sphery, there are many "dummy" titles same length |
[04:36:31] | Beirdo: | dunno. |
[04:36:35] | Bhaal: | Sounds like a waste of space |
[04:36:35] | sphery: | is this in mythtv's import disc stuff? |
[04:36:47] | sphery: | I think it shows a bunch of stuff that is the same |
[04:36:56] | Beirdo: | seems that is a question with ramifications with a peg leg and a parrot |
[04:36:56] | sphery: | because of the way the dvd's are layed out |
[04:37:04] | sphery: | (or laid out?) |
[04:37:09] | subone: | sphery, no im using handbrake, i just am using mythtv to view the movie normally to see the title number |
[04:37:37] | Bhaal: | first wagnerrp mentions pr0n, then sphery starts talking about getting laid... |
[04:37:42] | Bhaal: | what is this channel coming to? |
[04:38:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
[04:38:08] | sphery: | oh... well, I don't think MythTV will show you the number on disk of the stream you're watching :( |
[04:38:27] | sphery: | mplayer would likely be a better choice for that (since you can tell it to play specific titles) |
[04:38:48] | Beirdo: | is there a #mplayer? :) |
[04:39:25] | subone: | ill try mplayer... |
[04:39:27] | subone: | ty |
[04:41:01] | Beirdo: | YAY... Mariners have now won 6 straight |
[04:41:07] | Beirdo: | first the Reds, now the Cubbies |
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[05:31:14] | Beirdo: | OK, Windoze box rebooted. must add IPv6 to it :) |
[05:53:53] | Beirdo: | w00t |
[05:58:48] | Beirdo: | radvd FTW |
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[06:10:40] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
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[06:13:14] | Beirdo: | why the BLEEP won't chrome use IPv6? |
[06:18:16] | Beirdo: | heh, had to restart it |
[06:18:25] | Beirdo: | it was running when I setup ipv6 |
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[06:34:11] | Beirdo: | w00t |
[06:34:20] | Beirdo: | Cliff Lee did a complete game today again |
[06:34:25] | Beirdo: | not a shutout this time |
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[06:48:10] | justinh: | bloody AOL. Now they're saying that you can't put support for shoutcast streams in an open source player – you apparently can in free (as in beer) non-redistrubutable software so long as you bundle their adware (Shoutcast toolbar, yada yada) |
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[06:50:44] | sphery: | justinh: heh, well, maybe that's a good thing--it will get more people to use icecast |
[06:51:05] | Beirdo: | ummm |
[06:51:10] | justinh: | looks like it's just about the shoutcast directory, not the stream protocol itself |
[06:51:22] | Beirdo: | they can't stop people from using the streaming protocol |
[06:51:23] | Beirdo: | :) |
[06:52:09] | Beirdo: | sure, we'll bundle a toolbar for Firefox... with mythtv... |
[06:52:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
[06:52:17] | Beirdo: | like that would happen |
[06:52:55] | Beirdo: | they can pucker up |
[06:53:15] | sphery: | well, as long as shoutcast is the 'net radio equivalent of IMDb, we'll just have to go with the equivalent of tmdb (icecst directory) |
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[06:53:38] | sphery: | and, ideally, we'll get a lot of users to help populate the directory |
[06:54:48] | justinh: | we need more lawyers to fight this kind of junk |
[06:55:07] | Beirdo: | meh |
[06:55:25] | justinh: | oh there's this directory, and it's dead easy to work out how to parse it – but you're not allowed to |
[06:55:27] | Beirdo: | we'll just use a competing product and drive em into the ground :) |
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[06:55:53] | justinh: | any radio station streaming out there generally has a direct link to it anyway |
[06:55:57] | Beirdo: | they can eat it anyways |
[06:56:03] | justinh: | even if not, it's easy to find em out |
[06:56:33] | Beirdo: | publicradiofan.com is your friend, mmkay? |
[06:58:26] | justinh: | might have to try your 'public radio' sometime |
[06:58:38] | justinh: | wonder how different it is to out 'public radio' |
[06:58:41] | justinh: | *our |
[06:58:53] | Beirdo: | NPR++ |
[06:58:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
[07:00:14] | justinh: | until I had an easy means to use it I wasn't ever interested in streaming radio – but this squeezebox stuff is neat |
[07:00:34] | Beirdo: | oh, I should put my headphones in the backpack NOW so I don't forget them like the tard I am |
[07:00:47] | justinh: | going somewhere nice? |
[07:00:53] | Beirdo: | work :) |
[07:00:58] | Beirdo: | tomorrow |
[07:01:10] | Beirdo: | but I just keep forgetting to bring the stupid headphones |
[07:01:38] | Beirdo: | and lately, the boss man has been distracting me with loud meetings with his #$%$#ing door open |
[07:01:49] | Beirdo: | so Van Halen to the rescue |
[07:01:58] | Beirdo: | I'll have to remember my iPod too :) |
[07:02:24] | justinh: | heh my mp3 player is mostly just a USB drive for my car stereo now |
[07:02:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
[07:02:54] | justinh: | time to order that camcorder I think |
[07:03:11] | Beirdo: | well, my iPhone charge cable's at my desk anyways, so no harm bringing the iPod too |
[07:03:40] | Beirdo: | BRB |
[07:04:20] | justinh: | I bought a bunch of spare USB cables for my mp3 player so I can keep one everywhere I'm likely to need one |
[07:09:15] | justinh: | gah stupid HR dept at work! |
[07:09:36] | justinh: | the paternity leave form is password protected (WHY?) and I can't open it read-only |
[07:09:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[07:10:02] | justinh: | ahahaha but I *can* open it unhindered in OO |
[07:10:59] | Beirdo: | yay, Sun |
[07:11:53] | justinh: | grrr amazon. recommending a class 2 SDHC card when the camera's manual recommends class 4 |
[07:12:55] | Beirdo: | I recommend beer |
[07:13:03] | Beirdo: | it fixes everything |
[07:13:39] | justinh: | gonna crack open a new bottle of cachaca tomorrow night :) |
[07:14:01] | Beirdo: | I need vodka for my freezer |
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[07:21:14] | justinh: | heh cheaper to buy 2 class 6 8GB cards than 1 16GB class 4 card |
[07:22:55] | esperegu: | is there an audio equalizer in mythtv and if so where/how to configure it? |
[07:23:35] | justinh: | no there isn't |
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[07:23:57] | justinh: | graphic EQs suck anyway :) |
[07:26:26] | justinh: | jya might have plans to add one in future along with other audio processing stuff, I dunno |
[07:27:37] | justinh: | just don't bank on your atom cpu being able to keep up with EQ'ing 8 channels of audio at once having decoded & recoded it ;) |
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[07:30:26] | esperegu: | justinh: not? to bad |
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[07:30:45] | esperegu: | justinh: is that so cpu intensive? when an atom with vdpau can play full hd? |
[07:30:54] | justinh: | muh with vdpau sure |
[07:31:14] | justinh: | but the *atom* isn't playing the HD with VDPAU :) |
[07:31:19] | esperegu: | hehe |
[07:31:38] | justinh: | I dunno if an atom has enough grunt to EQ 8 channels of audio at once ;) |
[07:32:13] | justinh: | depends how efficient the EQ code is |
[07:32:30] | jya: | justinh: I'd be surprised if a 1.6GHz couldn't cope just the audio... |
[07:32:32] | justinh: | anyway, why do you need EQ in mythfrontend? |
[07:33:01] | jya: | would never use a softtware EQ anyway... That's what the amp/processor is for |
[07:33:05] | justinh: | other than vuvuzella I mean |
[07:33:16] | justinh: | DSP ftw :) |
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[07:33:26] | justinh: | heck even TVs these days have em |
[07:34:07] | esperegu: | justinh: yeah. for the vuvuzella I'm looking |
[07:34:32] | justinh: | esperegu: it's your lucky day! |
[07:34:45] | esperegu: | justinh: tell me |
[07:34:48] | jya: | esperegu: if you're looking for a vuvuzela filter, there's one on trac already |
[07:34:59] | esperegu: | jya: easy to install? |
[07:35:06] | esperegu: | is it a plugin? |
[07:35:21] | jya: | if you're watching via ESPN ; the vuvuzela frequencies are already filtered out |
[07:35:33] | jya: | if on the BBC you use the "red button" thing I've heard |
[07:35:47] | esperegu: | red button? |
[07:35:50] | jya: | esperegu: do you know how to compile mythtv? or what distribution are you using ? |
[07:35:51] | esperegu: | which red button? |
[07:36:00] | jya: | it's a feature of FreeView |
[07:36:04] | esperegu: | jya: I got the packages |
[07:36:15] | esperegu: | jya: on linuxmce. |
[07:36:35] | esperegu: | jya: and watching BBC/ITV HD |
[07:36:59] | jya: | linuxmce.. then no luck I'm afraid |
[07:37:06] | justinh: | but it doesn't make a difference forever.. you'll notice it even at the reduced level :-) |
[07:37:35] | jya: | BBC made the annuncement last week, that people of FreeView could use the "red button" feature to filter them out |
[07:37:51] | jya: | the filter only removing the particularly annoying constant hum |
[07:38:16] | jya: | this is a much more efficient filter for the vuvuzella, available on all TV I think... |
[07:38:20] | esperegu: | jya: yeah. but since I use mythtv I don't have a red button =) |
[07:38:24] | jya: | it;s called mute button |
[07:38:28] | justinh: | remove the people using vuvuzella, then add it in post :D |
[07:38:51] | jya: | i'm not sure what linuxmce use these days |
[07:38:57] | jya: | used to be a pretty old version |
[07:39:12] | justinh: | it's much more annoying on our commercial station ITV here – cos their audio engineering is rubbish |
[07:39:46] | esperegu: | jya: lmce uses 0.23 now |
[07:39:47] | justinh: | everything is over compressed (dynamically) so the commentatary makes the background audio 'pump' |
[07:39:48] | jya: | esperegu: can always try |
[07:39:48] | jya: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8568 |
[07:40:19] | justinh: | ! people *use* lmce? :-O |
[07:40:29] | justinh: | heheh. learn something new every day |
[07:40:53] | esperegu: | lmce is cool. more people should use it |
[07:40:56] | esperegu: | =) |
[07:41:02] | esperegu: | the more use it the better it will get |
[07:41:21] | justinh: | really? I thought with FLOSS, the more people contribute to it the better it gets |
[07:41:34] | esperegu: | the more use it the more will contribute |
[07:41:38] | esperegu: | unless it's windows. |
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[07:41:43] | justinh: | not necessarily true :) |
[07:41:44] | esperegu: | they only use ;-) |
[07:42:01] | justinh: | muh, I can't code.... muh I don't know how to edit a wiki |
[07:42:18] | esperegu: | justinh: that will always be the biggest part |
[07:42:20] | jya: | finally, found that last pulse suspend bug.... about time...' |
[07:42:32] | justinh: | yay. go jya |
[07:42:34] | Beirdo: | pulse must die :) |
[07:42:39] | Beirdo: | and well done |
[07:42:39] | justinh: | next up – fixing pulseaudio entirely :D |
[07:42:53] | jya: | actually it will be much better with pulse now |
[07:43:03] | justinh: | some distros need a blimmin rocket up em for shipping with pulse already |
[07:43:04] | jya: | pulse is suspended only when needed |
[07:43:30] | jya: | actually, found that using ALSA:pulse gave me quite good result |
[07:43:38] | justinh: | quite good? |
[07:43:48] | ** Beirdo pulses his computer ** | |
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[07:44:14] | jya: | justinh, yeah, no different to native alsa:default |
[07:44:34] | Beirdo: | no different measured how? |
[07:44:37] | justinh: | I'd call that pretty good, or just *good* :) |
[07:44:58] | Beirdo: | CPU usage? basic ear test? |
[07:45:04] | jya: | let say that there's no significant lag, and it sounds the same |
[07:45:23] | jya: | and that's on my VMWare box |
[07:45:26] | jya: | on my mac |
[07:45:30] | Beirdo: | heh |
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[07:45:46] | justinh: | do you mean as little las as to be unnoticed? |
[07:45:47] | Beirdo: | hardly scientific, but probably close enough for mythtv |
[07:45:51] | justinh: | er lag I mean |
[07:46:23] | Beirdo: | not many of us have audio test gear to do better than that :) |
[07:46:26] | jya: | sure if you have digital audio, multi channels etc.. you want to use alsa |
[07:46:31] | Beirdo: | including not me |
[07:46:37] | justinh: | there might just be a lot of FUD about PA, but even on paper it doesn't look too good |
[07:46:44] | jya: | but for your basic out of the box setup, it's good enough |
[07:46:49] | esperegu: | jya: what would be the correct setting for an equalizer to filter out the vuvuzella? |
[07:47:05] | esperegu: | jya: like this? tap_equalizer_bw,-50,-50,-50,-50,0,0,0,0,233,466,932,1864,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,0,0,0, 0 |
[07:47:10] | jya: | I filteres 235Hz and 465Hz |
[07:47:14] | justinh: | esperegu: depends on the centre frequencies of your EQ |
[07:47:19] | jya: | 465Hz was the most significant |
[07:47:41] | jya: | obviously this will depend on the filter you used and how narrow it is |
[07:47:42] | esperegu: | justinh: on that TAP you can set the frequencies |
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[07:47:56] | esperegu: | jya: you can set the bandwidth in octaves |
[07:48:08] | esperegu: | in the above example I set it on 1 octave |
[07:48:17] | jya: | esperegu: if you look at the ticket i linked to, there's a link of the various method |
[07:48:24] | jya: | one with mplayer |
[07:48:27] | justinh: | ahh LADSPA |
[07:48:41] | esperegu: | so -50 gain and 1 octave bandwidth for the 4 frequencies |
[07:48:56] | jya: | can use the same setup |
[07:48:56] | jya: | i think you will have better success with myth and a JACK server |
[07:49:02] | justinh: | 1 octave? oof |
[07:49:03] | Beirdo: | the easiest vuvuzela filter... change channels ;) |
[07:49:51] | Beirdo: | or hit the mute button |
[07:49:58] | esperegu: | justinh: that's to much? |
[07:50:04] | justinh: | wayyyyyyy too much |
[07:50:07] | esperegu: | justinh: how much should it be then? |
[07:50:12] | Beirdo: | but that's just talking nonsense I'm sure |
[07:50:22] | justinh: | esperegu: read the ticket jya linked to |
[07:50:32] | jya: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8568 |
[07:50:33] | jya: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8568 |
[07:50:34] | jya: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8568 |
[07:50:43] | jya: | can post it again if required |
[07:50:45] | Beirdo: | ummm. |
[07:50:49] | Beirdo: | please don't |
[07:51:08] | justinh: | I'm fed up to the back teeth of people asking for advice & simply *not* *reading* the advice people give em |
[07:51:10] | jya: | it has the option to do it on windows, a mac, with jack, with mplayer etc, in the first link |
[07:51:36] | Beirdo: | justinh: that's understandable... and why they invented /ignore :) |
[07:52:13] | justinh: | I'll just not log back in when the work internet feebs out again |
[07:52:17] | justinh: | :) |
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[07:52:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
[07:53:31] | esperegu: | how much would it be in octaves then? |
[07:53:41] | esperegu: | I see that they filter a bandwidth of 4 HZ |
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[07:54:19] | justinh: | 4Hz not very much of an octave |
[07:54:32] | justinh: | considering an octave is one doubling of a frequency |
[07:54:36] | Beirdo: | depends on the center frequency :) |
[07:54:45] | justinh: | heh yeah |
[07:54:50] | Beirdo: | at 400ish Hz, not much at all |
[07:55:34] | jya: | esperegu: that's the whole point of the vuvuzela filter... you want it very narrow |
[07:55:34] | Beirdo: | what, about 1% of an octave, approx? |
[07:55:46] | jya: | otherwise, you'll not have any propers vocals |
[07:55:55] | justinh: | I'd initially have thought a notch would be innefective against shoddily manufactured plastic horns ;) |
[07:55:59] | jya: | +/- 2Hz is enough |
[07:56:02] | esperegu: | jya. so I would use minimal bandwidth settings? |
[07:56:06] | jya: | yes |
[07:56:30] | esperegu: | jya: that would be 0.1 octave |
[07:56:36] | esperegu: | would still be more I gues |
[07:56:39] | esperegu: | so |
[07:56:49] | jya: | and as justinh wrote... it's a crap piece of plastic... it isn't producing a perfectly flat signal |
[07:56:52] | esperegu: | jya: like this? tap_equalizer_bw,-50,-50,-50,-50,0,0,0,0,233,466,932,1864,0,0,0,0,0.1,0.1,0.1,0. 1,0,0,0,0 |
[07:57:08] | esperegu: | and should the -gain be the max? |
[07:57:08] | jya: | anyhow... why do you ask all of that when the link in the ticket I've provided have it all... |
[07:57:19] | Beirdo: | ummm, 0.1? more like 0.01, no? |
[07:57:31] | jya: | I give up.. |
[07:57:38] | esperegu: | jya: did not know how much an octave is |
[07:57:47] | esperegu: | Beirdo: the minimum of the plugin is 0.1 |
[07:57:53] | justinh: | from 200Hz to 400 hz is one octave |
[07:57:56] | Beirdo: | then the plugin sucks |
[07:57:59] | jya: | an octave isn't a fixed Hz value |
[07:58:11] | justinh: | from 250Hz to 500Hz is one octave |
[07:58:29] | justinh: | at 400 hz, 4Hz is 0.01 of an octave |
[07:58:29] | esperegu: | Beirdo: http://tap-plugins.sourceforge.net/ladspa/eq.html |
[07:58:30] | jya: | justinh: various definitions for octave... |
[07:58:43] | Beirdo: | esperegu: enjoy |
[07:58:48] | esperegu: | Beirdo: thx |
[07:58:54] | Beirdo: | I don't know what that has to do with mythtv though |
[07:58:56] | justinh: | esperegu: get a ladspa NOTCH filter. NOT EQ |
[07:58:57] | jya: | I don't know about the alsa plugin, but they may refer to the octave used in IRR filters |
[07:59:08] | esperegu: | justinh: k. checkin |
[07:59:41] | justinh: | or.. just read the frickin ticket! |
[07:59:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
[08:00:01] | Beirdo: | esperegu is apparently allergic to reading |
[08:00:03] | jya: | esperegu: in music, an octave is just the difference between a frequency x and x*2 |
[08:00:17] | jya: | or x/2 |
[08:00:22] | justinh: | what was that link again? ;-) |
[08:00:27] | esperegu: | =) |
[08:00:31] | jya: | but yeah, he's obviously not reading.. |
[08:01:14] | ** justinh tars all lmce users with the same brush ** | |
[08:02:05] | jya: | http://www.ethanwiner.com/filters.html |
[08:03:24] | justinh: | hmm. I can have free super saver delivery.. 3–5 business days.. or '1st class' ... 2–3 business days |
[08:03:32] | jya: | the vuvuzela filter I used in the ticket above uses an IRR , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_impulse_response |
[08:03:43] | xand: | gah, colleagues with new penis extensions... I mean iphone 4s |
[08:03:52] | xand: | they must have got up early |
[08:04:09] | Beirdo: | jya: nice. DSP technology FTW |
[08:04:10] | justinh: | be a pity if their precious was to get dunked in a cup of coffee when they weren't looking |
[08:04:40] | justinh: | weren't looking... pah! what am I saying. that's ALL they'll be looking at ALL day |
[08:05:13] | jya: | looks like a beautiful piece of hardware this iPhone 4 |
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[08:05:23] | jya: | especially the screen |
[08:05:29] | Beirdo: | I told my coworker to keep his away from me |
[08:05:38] | Beirdo: | I don't need the temptation to upgrade |
[08:05:53] | justinh: | I can't make out any difference. pictures of the display look just the same as pictures of the 3G one :D |
[08:05:56] | jya: | I wonder how they can actually managed to do video calls, without ever requiring the creation of an account or setup |
[08:06:09] | jya: | justinh: did you see the resolution ? |
[08:06:18] | Beirdo: | I'm more interested in the speed, personally |
[08:06:24] | justinh: | yeah the resolution looks exactly the same on my monitor here :P |
[08:06:32] | Beirdo: | heheh |
[08:07:05] | Beirdo: | I don't wanna play with an iFad either |
[08:07:16] | justinh: | come on amazon.. which delivery option for this thing costing me over £300 is by secure courier?! |
[08:07:32] | Beirdo: | they use UPS here |
[08:07:43] | Beirdo: | dunno for you non-US wonks :) |
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[08:13:41] | justinh: | wth? company lets 2 guys go due to a reorganisation and 'thanks them for their contribution' |
[08:13:50] | justinh: | stupid company |
[08:13:59] | Beirdo: | so long, and thanks for all the fish |
[08:14:10] | Beirdo: | and don't let the door hit yer arse on the way out |
[08:18:06] | esperegu: | justinh: k. so I'll try it with -el:notch_iir,233,4,1 -el:notch_iir,466,4,1 -el:notch_iir,932,4,1 -el:notch_iir,1864,4,1 |
[08:18:12] | esperegu: | thx for your help guys! |
[08:18:47] | Beirdo: | OK, time for bed |
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[09:51:55] | el_duerino: | hi guys, anybody familiar with the Archiver plugin? I want to convert recordings to mpg or avi movies, but sometimes the archiver seems just to copy the .nuv file. |
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[10:10:59] | justinh: | what archiver plugin? |
[10:11:08] | justinh: | do you mean MythArchive? |
[10:11:36] | justinh: | (which is really just a DVD burning plugin whichever way you look at it) |
[10:13:13] | justinh: | as for .nuv recordings... kinda serves you right for using a framegrabber :P |
[10:13:30] | justinh: | if you just want to convert those to avi, see nuvexport |
[10:13:51] | justinh: | and fwiw, nuvexport is not a plugin |
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[10:40:42] | justinh: | right. time to add another terabyte SG to mythtv |
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[10:42:01] | justinh: | wife goes on leave from tomorrow so we need the HDD space |
[10:46:18] | Jay2k1: | lol |
[10:46:45] | Jay2k1: | deletion is not an option huh |
[10:48:19] | justinh: | she never deletes |
[10:48:37] | justinh: | and autoexpiry is getting to my shows before her cherished junk |
[10:49:03] | justinh: | I missed my chance when I lost the root fs during those power outages |
[10:49:21] | justinh: | I coulda deleted the shows she keeps for posterity & nobody'd be any the wiser :D |
[10:49:51] | Jay2k1: | hmmm |
[10:50:02] | Jay2k1: | you can set the priorities so auto del would delete her stuff before yours |
[10:50:23] | justinh: | I don't understand priorities |
[10:50:27] | justinh: | CBA |
[10:50:46] | Jay2k1: | set priority = 'wife' |
[10:50:54] | justinh: | half the features mythtv has I don't want or need |
[10:50:58] | Jay2k1: | heh |
[10:51:06] | Jay2k1: | the priorities are quite powerful actually |
[10:51:12] | justinh: | don't need em |
[10:51:14] | Jay2k1: | worth having a look into them |
[10:51:17] | justinh: | do away with em |
[10:51:25] | Jay2k1: | well then go buy more HDDs :P |
[10:51:30] | justinh: | assembler is quite powerful actually |
[10:51:41] | justinh: | but I don't see many people learning how to use it :) |
[10:51:56] | justinh: | besides the UI for changing show priorities is *ghastly* |
[10:52:25] | justinh: | set up a new recording.. option... yada...option yada yada.. another option.. yada yada yada |
[10:53:01] | justinh: | so, if I spend 10 minutes setting up one recording I can do whatever. heh |
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[10:53:55] | Dibblah: | ... Grouped defaults would fix that. |
[10:54:38] | Dibblah: | ie set a number of options that can just be used by family members. |
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[10:55:00] | Dibblah: | Then save it as "Soap", "Film", etc. |
[10:55:19] | Dibblah: | Then all you have to do is select the template. |
[10:57:09] | justinh: | yeah but stuff with lower priorities tends to get expired sooner – and also less likely to be recorded |
[10:57:29] | justinh: | unless there's also an expiry priority... :-O |
[10:57:37] | justinh: | it's all... so... MEH |
[10:58:01] | justinh: | soaps & crap... dealt with already by record new & expire old -max recordings set to 5 |
[10:58:29] | justinh: | it's all the other junk she sets to record like Ant & Dec's Saturday night wet fart lighting |
[10:59:09] | justinh: | helps that I made a custom rule for junk like Deal or No Deal too |
[11:00:04] | justinh: | from record on any channel to if program.title like "%deal%no%deal%" and HOUR(program.starttime)> 11 and channel.name like "%four" ... |
[11:00:38] | justinh: | setting that up was a pain,reminding me we still need an easier to use UI for that feature |
[11:02:40] | justinh: | bloody never mind never mind the bloody buzzcocks |
[11:02:41] | justinh: | grr |
[11:02:54] | justinh: | this dupe matching stuff isn't working very well either |
[11:03:07] | Jay2k1: | true |
[11:03:11] | justinh: | the channel is *exactly* the same data as the non-plus-1 channel |
[11:03:24] | justinh: | dave ja vu == dave + one hour |
[11:03:36] | justinh: | and yet, match dupes using title & description is still arse |
[11:03:44] | Jay2k1: | some channels add "(re-airing from 20.15)" at the beginning of the description of a later rebroadcast |
[11:03:57] | Jay2k1: | so myth won't notice that it's a dupe |
[11:04:10] | justinh: | no, this is done in the grabber |
[11:04:17] | Jay2k1: | that's more the channel's fault than myth's but it's still bleh |
[11:04:25] | Jay2k1: | no it's not, i use epg/eit |
[11:04:39] | justinh: | yes it is. I don't use EIT |
[11:04:52] | justinh: | well I do, but just for radio |
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[11:57:51] | justinh: | hmmm methinks subtitle then description or subtitle and description may not work if there's no subtitle |
[11:58:24] | justinh: | gonna try just the 'description' dupe checking & see how it goes, since the description will always be the same |
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[12:12:17] | justinh: | heh 10 episodes of Dispatches I can lose |
[12:12:41] | justinh: | "Are illegal immigrants eating our children's house prices alive?" |
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[12:14:10] | justinh: | 15 episodes of Dr Poo.. they can go aswell |
[12:15:32] | justinh: | ooo and snore forward |
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[12:28:29] | justinh: | whee 449 programs, using 742 GB (20 days 39 mins) out of 1.8 TB (1.1 TB free). |
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[12:39:17] | justinh: | heheh user job control from mythweb. coool |
[12:40:30] | justinh: | oh btw came up with an idea for default user job settings – as in the command used. had some stuff snagged in the jobqueue cos 'user job #2' was set to run on new recordings by default – so maybe it'd be cool to set the default to /bin/true or something – or else just return completed if the field is empty |
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[12:45:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | justinh, create a ticket and assign it to me and I'll make/fix it so that it doesn't try to run the job when the command is empty. |
[12:45:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | will probably mark it as errored so it stands out in the logs and frontend status screen. |
[12:45:52] | justinh: | Captain_Murdoch: ok cool. wouldn't have minded looking at it myself |
[12:45:56] | justinh: | cool :) |
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[12:46:20] | justinh: | I wouldn't have noticed it had it not been for the lack of new radio recordings appearing in my dump dir |
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[12:50:11] | justinh: | Captain_Murdoch: there you go :) |
[12:50:54] | justinh: | knew I'd live to regret getting mythbackend to tweet about finishing recordings.. then changing my mind later |
[12:52:13] | justinh: | I'll requeue it properly when I get home |
[12:53:34] | justinh: | oh actually looks like it might not have been that |
[12:53:38] | justinh: | crap |
[12:53:47] | justinh: | JobAllowUserJob2 | 0 | roger | |
[12:57:20] | justinh: | gah I can't even delete my own tickets |
[12:59:24] | justinh: | !! and another guy is leaving today. this guy is leaving for the 2nd time in 3 years |
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[13:23:13] | esperegu: | where to set which alsa device mythtv should use? |
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[13:24:04] | esperegu: | In the third page of the General settings area, replace the word default in ALSA:default with a reference to your hardware device |
[13:24:06] | esperegu: | never mind. |
[13:24:07] | esperegu: | sorry |
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[13:33:25] | esperegu: | hmm. |
[13:33:33] | esperegu: | however that info does not seem to be right?k |
[13:37:27] | justinh: | wonder how much space can be saved just by stripping out crud from recordings.. like AD & subtitles |
[13:37:50] | stuarta: | about 30% |
[13:38:04] | stuarta: | using lossless transcode |
[13:38:30] | justinh: | nifty |
[13:38:35] | stuarta: | you can tell it not to recored them in the first place |
[13:38:45] | stuarta: | not sure if that's broken atm or not |
[13:38:48] | justinh: | ruh? since when? |
[13:38:55] | stuarta: | recording profiles |
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[13:38:59] | justinh: | I knew you'd toyed with the idea of more PID filtering |
[13:39:19] | stuarta: | default / livetv / that other one... |
[13:39:28] | stuarta: | livetv does all |
[13:39:32] | justinh: | hmmm. I'll investigate that when I'm in front of a real frontend |
[13:39:59] | justinh: | my nx connection can't be relied on atm.. work internet is shot to bits |
[13:41:40] | stuarta: | :( |
[13:41:56] | justinh: | I know 0.21 had the ability to filter out 'non TV' junk – worked really well here |
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[13:42:15] | stuarta: | it's still there, the question is if it still works |
[13:42:32] | justinh: | yeah but AFAIK subs & AD were still treated as TV |
[13:42:44] | justinh: | there was no way to deselect those |
[13:43:40] | ** justinh goes to look in the source ** | |
[13:44:20] | esperegu: | anyone knows where the configuration of the alsa device is located? |
[13:44:29] | esperegu: | to select which one to use+ |
[13:44:30] | esperegu: | ? |
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[13:44:42] | esperegu: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA does not seem to be correct ? |
[13:45:47] | justinh: | yeah there's still 'all', 'tv' and 'audio only' |
[13:45:54] | gbee: | esperegu: try again, this time explain why you don't think it is correct |
[13:46:03] | justinh: | can't remember which were classed as 'tv' |
[13:46:22] | justinh: | pretty sure somebody told me it was AD & subs too |
[13:46:24] | esperegu: | gbee. |
[13:46:31] | esperegu: | was looking on the wrong generals page |
[13:46:37] | esperegu: | gbee: but it's still incorrect. |
[13:46:38] | justinh: | anyway just what we don't need – MOARSETTINZ ;) |
[13:46:50] | esperegu: | gbee: It should be the 4rd page instead of the 3rd I gues |
[13:48:16] | justinh: | heh grepping libs/libmythtv/* with "tv" finds only the setting in recordingprofiles.cpp |
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[13:50:27] | justinh: | go back a dir & go recursive |
[13:51:23] | justinh: | aye. if (_recording_type == "tv" && !is_audio && !is_video && !MPEGDescriptor::Find(desc, DescriptorID::teletext) && !MPEGDescriptor::Find(desc, DescriptorID::subtitling)) |
[13:52:24] | gbee: | esperegu: if you are using 0.23 then just select the audio device you want from the list, I've deleted the existing instructions |
[13:53:21] | justinh: | really tempted to try a quick hack on that, then we could always have a couple of new types (if it works)... 'tv with everything' 'tv with subs' 'tv with AD' ... |
[13:53:44] | justinh: | no way I could be confident of not breaking stuff with that though |
[13:54:11] | justinh: | and it wouldn't need more settings as such either.. just a handful of new profilery |
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[14:01:13] | johnnyj: | testing testing... |
[14:02:05] | johnnyj: | woot – you can open up and dry out your MS Ergo keyboard and put it back together again |
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[14:04:28] | justinh: | and you don't have any bits left over :-O |
[14:04:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A can't stand 'ergo' keyboards... Give me a 'generic' 'flat' keyboard, fflat on the desk, with a wrist support pad in front of it... ;-) ** | |
[14:04:42] | justinh: | you obviously don't call yourself an engineer! |
[14:05:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and I'm a touch-typist too! ;-) |
[14:05:57] | johnnyj: | justinh: it was touch and go on the extra parts |
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[14:14:45] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp: evidently my lcd will powerdown if i send 'dpms off' or force off – whatever it was – but when I tell gnome power mgmt to power it down I get the "no video signal / check cable" on the screen all night long |
[14:15:23] | justinh: | ouch |
[14:15:56] | justinh: | and going by the LCD in the local Spar shop down here you can end up with screen burn. they have 'The Hits' MHEG text burned onscreen permanently now |
[14:16:37] | justinh: | that was sposed to be unpossible, but my eyes do not deceive ,e |
[14:16:38] | justinh: | *me |
[14:19:05] | justinh: | doh it's not permanent in most cases. apparently |
[14:20:00] | justinh: | grr @ sites with an |
[14:20:31] | justinh: | 'enlarge' link on images where you click on em & it opens a near fullscreen size window with the original small image in the middle of it |
[14:22:05] | johnnyj: | brb |
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[14:31:23] | nichos: | hi all, is there a window manager that works well with a remote? I'm looking for something nice to switch between boxee and myth when I exit either one with the remote |
[14:31:45] | nichos: | something nice so when I exit myth it goes to a window manager with a few icons, maybe 1 for myth, 1 for boxee, and perhaps shutdown |
[14:32:23] | gbee: | or you could just create a custom menu for myth and launch boxee from there |
[14:32:44] | nichos: | then myth would be running |
[14:33:00] | nichos: | at least the front end |
[14:34:11] | wagnerrp: | correct |
[14:34:29] | wagnerrp: | but should ignore all input until you exit boxee |
[14:34:29] | nichos: | which is why the above question was posed;) |
[14:35:12] | ** wagnerrp fails to see why thats a problem ** | |
[14:36:00] | nichos: | what do you mean wagnerrp? about ignore input? |
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[14:36:32] | gbee: | why would running mythfrontend behind boxee be a problem? |
[14:36:41] | wagnerrp: | i mean exactly why i said, it ignores all LIRC input until you close the launched program |
[14:37:23] | nichos: | correct, technically it works fine |
[14:37:29] | nichos: | im just trying to lessen the load |
[14:37:37] | wagnerrp: | what load? |
[14:37:48] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend will be idle, just consuming a bit of memory |
[14:37:50] | wagnerrp: | memory is cheap |
[14:37:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | What are you running on, a celeron 733? |
[14:38:09] | nichos: | 486, but it's a DX2 |
[14:38:44] | gbee: | very funny |
[14:38:46] | nichos: | I just don't see a need to have it run, AND a window manager |
[14:38:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... Well, I've got a DX4 100 chip I'll give you... it has a few bent pins, but it should work for you... |
[14:39:03] | nichos: | im sure I could run openoffice in the background, but why |
[14:39:06] | wagnerrp: | the window manager is required to manage focus between windows |
[14:39:08] | nichos: | lol, i had one of those too!:) |
[14:39:41] | wagnerrp: | without it, there would be no control over which application had focus, and what Z-plane it was located at |
[14:39:45] | gbee: | you're right, it's silly, drop boxee from the equation :p |
[14:40:15] | nichos: | boxee is pretty nice |
[14:40:25] | nichos: | between myth & boxee I can avoid comcast, which is always nice |
[14:40:43] | wagnerrp: | so you REALLY want mythtv and hulu |
[14:40:58] | wagnerrp: | you couldnt care less about everything boxee does |
[14:40:59] | nichos: | yep |
[14:41:03] | nichos: | correct |
[14:41:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does hulu |
[14:42:13] | nichos: | hmmmm, i see the wiki here, I wasn't aware |
[14:42:23] | nichos: | that would take care of 99% |
[14:42:38] | nichos: | then maybe I could switch to boxee for just netflix |
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[14:42:46] | nichos: | which we don't use too often |
[14:42:53] | nichos: | i didn't know about this wagnerrp |
[14:43:03] | jst: | At least get rabbit ears. |
[14:43:07] | wagnerrp: | boxee doesnt do netflix, not under linux at least |
[14:43:32] | nichos: | that's what im using now, i have an external antenna (neighbors love it!) |
[14:44:00] | jst: | Hey, guys. I'm getting ready to swap about my STB for another. I need to use 6200.ch with it. Here's a link to the source... are the supported cars all those with #define statements at the top? http://mythtv.com/wiki/6200ch |
[14:44:06] | jst: | cards* |
[14:44:09] | nichos: | i heard it was "in the works" |
[14:44:14] | jst: | err, supported *boxes |
[14:44:52] | wagnerrp: | the only way boxee could support netflix under linux is if they were specifically authorized by netflix |
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[14:45:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A is confused what boxee, netflix and an external anttena have to do with "neighbor's loving it"... ** | |
[14:46:45] | nichos: | jeffa, the neighbors love the ugly antenna |
[14:47:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: The 6200ch program works with most firewire boxes. I used it un-modified to control my Motorola QIP-7100 set-top-boxes from Verizon FiOS. |
[14:48:09] | nichos: | ah well, thanks for the help any way guys |
[14:48:11] | wagnerrp: | nichos: boxee's netflix streaming requires the user of silverlight |
[14:48:22] | wagnerrp: | and silverlight is only available on windows and osx |
[14:48:24] | gbee: | heh, pretty much every building in the UK has an aerial, if I lived in the US it would be the huge satellite dishes you frequently see in people's yards/gardens which I'd consider an eyesore |
[14:48:31] | wagnerrp: | so no netflix streaming on linux |
[14:48:57] | jst: | J-e-f-f-A, I could not get it working with my SA4250HD. I can swap it out no problem, I'm just not sure what to swap it out for. |
[14:49:07] | wagnerrp: | theres not a whole lot they can do about that |
[14:49:18] | nichos: | my life is too hard |
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[14:49:44] | nichos: | we |
[14:49:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: There's another program for firewire channel changing out there somewhere – that I suspect might work for your box... |
[14:49:52] | nichos: | we'll see how much my GF will put up with:) |
[14:50:34] | jst: | Oh, wow! |
[14:50:37] | jst: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts |
[14:50:41] | jst: | There's my STB. |
[14:50:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=756508 |
[14:51:15] | jst: | Thank you, good sir. |
[14:52:43] | wagnerrp: | jst: note that you should already have all that code on your computer |
[14:53:02] | wagnerrp: | those scripts were moved onto the wiki, out of contrib after 0.23 was released |
[14:53:20] | jst: | Roger. |
[14:53:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... why does http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts show only 3 links if not logged in, but 13 if logged in? <strange> |
[14:54:30] | jst: | apollo:~/Downloads/mythtv-0–23/mythtv/contrib/channel_changers$ ls |
[14:54:30] | jst: | 6200ch d10control dct-channel red_eye |
[14:54:30] | jst: | change-channel-lirc dct2000serial Makefile sa3250ch |
[14:54:46] | jst: | I don't think the 4250 script is on my machine. Should I just use the code from the Wiki? |
[14:55:12] | wagnerrp: | there are issues with caching on the wiki |
[14:55:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | yst: yes |
[14:55:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah... ;-) |
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[14:58:08] | jst: | Crap, compile errors. |
[14:58:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: use a mythtb.pastebin.com if you have > 3 lines... |
[14:58:46] | jst: | Okay. |
[14:58:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... mythtv.pastebin.com even ... |
[14:59:03] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's fingers need to go on a diet... ** | |
[14:59:23] | jst: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/YPjhtezj |
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[14:59:52] | jst: | i libraw1394–11 – library for direct access to IEEE 1394 bus |
[14:59:52] | jst: | i libraw1394-dev – library for direct access to IEEE 1394 bus |
[14:59:58] | jst: | Those are both installed from 6200.c. |
[15:00:52] | jst: | Whoops, one sec. Let me try something. |
[15:01:28] | jst: | Got it. |
[15:01:53] | jst: | Nevermind. :) |
[15:02:01] | jst: | It works now, now I'll get the STB and test. |
[15:03:02] | johnnyj: | it feels so good to make a difference |
[15:04:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: wanna feel better? i'm having trouble paying the bills.... ;-) |
[15:05:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | johnnyj: could you help by paying some of them for me? hehehehehehehe |
[15:10:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Jarod may not be in the channel, but is present on the -users list... ;-) (re: hd-pvr blasting) |
[15:12:05] | jst: | apollo:~/Downloads$ sudo ./sa4250_ch -n 1 28 |
[15:12:05] | jst: | Changing channel 28 |
[15:12:26] | jst: | ^ Not working. I'm viewing /dev/video0 and it's not changing channels. :( Guess I'll try the 6200ch with a different box. |
[15:12:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: did you try it with your box guid ? |
[15:13:29] | jst: | Yes. |
[15:13:33] | jst: | Edited the code and put it in there. |
[15:13:44] | jst: | This box is actually a 4250HDC, I wonder if that has anything to do with it. |
[15:14:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Edited the code? for the 6200ch program, I can specify it as an argument from the command line. (the guid is some sort of unique serial number ) |
[15:16:13] | jst: | Yeah, for this script for have to put in the vendor id and model id. |
[15:16:21] | jst: | Maybe I have to add it somewhere else... looking at the code now. |
[15:17:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: have a look at this google result: http://mythdora.com/?q=node/3447 |
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[15:19:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: There are 187 hits on a google search of "4250hdc mythtv guid" |
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[15:20:05] | jst: | Ahh thanks. |
[15:22:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | mornin' iamlindoro ;-) |
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[15:24:45] | jst: | Yeah, I think my provider might have it disabled. |
[15:25:04] | jst: | Tried two difference versions, it detects the box, says it's changing channels, but doesn't actually do so. |
[15:25:52] | jst: | So how do I know which boxes are supported by the 6200ch? |
[15:26:01] | jst: | The define statements at the beginning of the code? |
[15:26:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | jst: Yeah, that should give you a pretty complete list. |
[15:27:15] | jst: | Cool, thanks. |
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[15:56:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | /me Mumm.... Caffine... ;-) That's better... |
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[16:07:03] | jst: | Bright House / TWC == absolutely worthless |
[16:07:19] | jst: | I don't understand why they cannot tell me over the phone which cable boxes are available. |
[16:07:45] | jst: | Or put it on their web site somewhere. Now I get to drive out and talked to a pissed-off, hispanic lady who will probably give me a defective box. :) |
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[16:11:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's alright... you should have seen the FiOS TV installer's face when he asked where the boxes needed to be installed, and I said "Right here- they're going on my MythTV system" – he's like "So you don't need them connected to your TVs?" ;-) hehehehehe |
[16:15:04] | jst: | The lady gave me a hard time yesterday when I asked for a cable box with FireWire. Kept asking me what I was doing. Told her it was part of my HTPC and she kept trying to tell me the box I had was fine, but I insisted on one with FireWire. |
[16:15:27] | jst: | I love when the people that work at a company know far less than the customer but pretend they're gods among men. |
[16:16:51] | jst: | I'm moving to a FiOS area soon. |
[16:16:53] | jst: | Can't wait. |
[16:16:54] | jst: | :) |
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[16:17:20] | jst: | I will miss my complimentary newsgroup access though. :-X |
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[16:20:00] | jst: | Eww. Anyone know how to remove the data from "import existing scan?" I don't like having history like that. I know, stupid, but it will bother me. |
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[16:21:12] | yates: | has anyone had success using the new 802.11N (type N) wireless as the network connection between front-end/back-end? |
[16:21:18] | jst: | yates, yes. |
[16:21:31] | yates: | oh |
[16:21:32] | jst: | I have an RA Link RT2860sta. |
[16:21:42] | jst: | That goes from my backend to router, and everything else is hard-wired from router. |
[16:21:56] | jst: | The card is very flaky if you don't update the drivers, and even then... meh... cuts out sometimes. |
[16:22:18] | yates: | hm |
[16:23:20] | yates: | i guess it doesn't matter whether you put the f/e or b/e on the wired? |
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[16:23:42] | yates: | it's water through a pipe – smallest constrains the system transfer |
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[16:24:29] | yates: | jst: what kind of router do you have? |
[16:24:47] | yates: | i have a dlink dir-655 |
[16:25:21] | yates: | ah. |
[16:25:30] | yates: | on second thought you want the b/e on the wired |
[16:25:36] | yates: | in case you have >1 f/e |
[16:25:54] | jst: | Yeah. |
[16:26:00] | jst: | Ideally, the backend should be wired. |
[16:26:10] | jst: | I have a Trendnet TEP-something. |
[16:26:28] | yates: | does it have multiple antennas? MIMO? |
[16:26:32] | jst: | Yes. |
[16:26:38] | yates: | cool |
[16:26:48] | wagnerrp: | on third thought, you really want everything wired |
[16:27:05] | jst: | I still only get ~ 54Mbps. It might be due to WPA2, but it seems slow. Then again, it's going clear across a house. |
[16:27:19] | jst: | Yeah, I'd wire it up if I were staying here longer. |
[16:27:50] | jst: | I get about 6 MB/s... so 6 * 8 == 54. It's still N, just seems really slow. |
[16:27:56] | yates: | wagnerrp: why do you need more than about 20 Mb/s per f/e? that's the (crappy) mpeg2 rate for hdtv |
[16:28:08] | yates: | 6*8=48 |
[16:28:14] | jst: | Lulz. |
[16:28:17] | jst: | Indeed. |
[16:28:20] | wagnerrp: | bluray can be up to 40mbps |
[16:28:34] | wagnerrp: | 802.11g can hardly sustain the 20mbps that is necessary for ATSC |
[16:28:39] | jst: | From iwconfig... Bit Rate=270 Mb/s. |
[16:28:40] | wagnerrp: | certainly not if youve got multiple users |
[16:28:53] | jst: | Yeah, and neighbors, microwaves, etc. |
[16:28:58] | wagnerrp: | and N suffers from all the same problems of being a broadcast-type network |
[16:29:13] | wagnerrp: | its not nearly as bad if youve got 5GHz gear |
[16:29:22] | jst: | Yeah, I don't. :( |
[16:29:23] | yates: | yet |
[16:29:25] | wagnerrp: | but then 5GHz gear doesnt have the range or penetration of 2.4GHz gear |
[16:29:56] | yates: | frenel's equation? |
[16:30:05] | yates: | (sp?) |
[16:30:22] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
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[16:31:54] | yates: | friis equation |
[16:32:09] | yates: | relates propagation loss to frequency |
[16:32:35] | yates: | (and rx gain and tx gain and and and...) |
[16:32:50] | wagnerrp: | i was more referring to the fact that 5GHz is more readily absorbed by... everything |
[16:33:56] | yates: | that too |
[16:34:23] | yates: | including air... |
[16:37:08] | yates: | wagnerrp: i'm suprised bluray is higher encoded datarate – isn't the source the same, and i would've thought they have better codecs now than in the 90s when atsc put their mpeg2 system together |
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[16:37:47] | wagnerrp: | bluray is vastly higher quality than ATSC |
[16:38:02] | wagnerrp: | and yes, h264 is good for 2–3x the compression of mpeg2 |
[16:38:35] | yates: | wagnerrp: higher quality in terms of things like motion artifacts? |
[16:38:52] | wagnerrp: | and static artifacts |
[16:38:58] | wagnerrp: | i see macroblocking in ATSC all the time |
[16:39:04] | yates: | ah |
[16:39:13] | wagnerrp: | ATSC looks vastly better than NTSC, but it still looks like crap |
[16:39:29] | yates: | depends on who's crap... |
[16:39:40] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: could be a reception issue (or the decoder poorly handling exception conditions). Generally speaking, if you have a good signal you shouldn't see artifacts. |
[16:40:04] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: no, has more to do with me only getting transmissions at 12–14mbps |
[16:40:16] | yates: | yeah i didn't notice macroblocking unless the signal was weak |
[16:40:17] | devinheitmueller: | The quality of the MPEG2 software decoders varies wildly. |
[16:40:25] | wagnerrp: | ive even got one or two 720p recordings as low as 7mbps |
[16:40:33] | yates: | devinheitmueller: i believe it's the encode that mainly determines the quality |
[16:40:40] | XLV: | anyone here uses dvb-t fta mpeg4? |
[16:40:41] | devinheitmueller: | For example, Xine does a horrible job recovering from even a single discontinuity. |
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[16:41:22] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: its not discontinuities, its actually blocking |
[16:41:26] | HotTuna: | trying to setup 4200HD with comcast and my scan for channels option is greyed out. can someone give me the correct settings (firewire) |
[16:41:27] | sphery: | You may still see a lot of artifacts, though, if you watch a lot of PBS or History Channel... |
[16:41:35] | wagnerrp: | from the broadcaster not giving the encoder enough bandwidth |
[16:41:36] | jst: | Eww. Anyone know how to remove the data from "import existing scan?" I don't like having history like that. I know, stupid, but it will bother me. |
[16:41:59] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: it's possible, but at 14mbps I kind of doubt it. |
[16:42:01] | yates: | finddevice |
[16:42:13] | XLV: | we just switched ( analog channels still broadcast though ) and i am thinking of getting one or two hauppauge nova |
[16:42:56] | XLV: | *nova 500.. probably one, not much worth seeing in fta to warrant 4 tuners |
[16:43:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: har har har |
[16:43:27] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery pun |
[16:43:27] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a pun trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
[16:43:42] | ** devinheitmueller just *now* got sphery's joke. ** | |
[16:43:57] | HotTuna: | my box for fetch channels from listing does nothing.. |
[16:45:32] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: looks like compression artifacts to me... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/CBS_bad_compression.png |
[16:46:44] | yates: | that looks like crap |
[16:47:32] | HotTuna: | please someone tell me how do I get my channels on comcast |
[16:47:33] | yates: | sphery: arty facts? artsie-fartsie? |
[16:47:34] | justinh: | and that's HD? :-O |
[16:47:57] | yates: | looks like the compressed stuff off of a torrent |
[16:48:12] | justinh: | whatever that would be |
[16:48:23] | yates: | bittorrent |
[16:48:26] | justinh: | ? |
[16:48:32] | yates: | eztv.it |
[16:48:44] | wagnerrp: | thats roughly 10mbps mpeg2 |
[16:48:51] | yates: | they compress an entire show down to 350 MB |
[16:48:58] | sphery: | sorry for the OT, not-helpful, bad joke, but it's one of those days |
[16:49:11] | HotTuna: | .... |
[16:49:29] | wagnerrp: | yates: discussion of those sites and services is off limits in this channel |
[16:49:54] | highzeth: | sphery: spend the last minutes cleaning my lcd screen over that joke, so not badly delivered imo ;P |
[16:50:09] | HotTuna: | wow |
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[16:50:23] | HotTuna: | all you people here using mythtv and no one can point in the right direction just to list my channels |
[16:50:34] | highzeth: | HotTuna: got patience? |
[16:50:39] | yates: | wow. irc-marxism |
[16:50:49] | justinh: | yates: bye then :) |
[16:50:59] | HotTuna: | well I've been trying on my own for two hours and googling so |
[16:51:02] | HotTuna: | yep |
[16:51:24] | wagnerrp: | its possible no one here currently uses firewire capture with mythtv |
[16:51:41] | wagnerrp: | hence, no one here with the knowledge you are looking for |
[16:51:49] | justinh: | one thing for sure – you won't be scanning for channels over firewire |
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[16:52:16] | HotTuna: | I wont? |
[16:52:31] | HotTuna: | how do I get channels then ;\ |
[16:53:28] | justinh: | from what I understand of it – which by the way isn't much compared to somebody who's actually *used* it – is that you sign up to schedulesdirect, set your lineup there, then put the SD account into mythtv-setup, then fetch channel lineup from there |
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[16:54:04] | HotTuna: | hrm |
[16:54:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Is that on a series intro (with the theme song playing and fast-changing scenes)? A lot of those seem to have been encoded back before they figured out how to properly encode them, but they're still using the bad encodings of them. |
[16:54:16] | HotTuna: | why cant I fetch channels from my hd box, and that website wants money |
[16:54:35] | justinh: | HotTuna: because there's no way your HD box can tell a PC what channels you get |
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[16:54:42] | iamlindoro: | And things of value cost money |
[16:54:50] | justinh: | and for another thing, $20 per year is a drop in the ocean |
[16:54:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, prior to the (repeated) intro |
[16:54:57] | HotTuna: | wait a second |
[16:54:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or maybe it's some requantization issue caused by a rebroadcaster? |
[16:55:01] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is a luxury DVR, not a bargain basement crapbox |
[16:55:07] | HotTuna: | so in order for mythtv to work, I must pay a third party? |
[16:55:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it is in the first minute or so, but its part of the actual episode |
[16:55:21] | sphery: | yeah, cool |
[16:55:21] | wagnerrp: | HotTuna: MythTV requires guide data to function properly |
[16:55:22] | iamlindoro: | In order for mythTV to work properly in the US, you need to pay for listings, yes |
[16:55:25] | justinh: | HotTuna: no, but if you want lineup info & guide data, yes |
[16:55:31] | sphery: | so not the old-intro-scene stuff |
[16:55:38] | wagnerrp: | and in the US, Schedules Direct is the only legal source of worthwhile guide data |
[16:55:49] | HotTuna: | when I go to watch Tv nothing happens either |
[16:55:53] | justinh: | well duh |
[16:55:56] | HotTuna: | but my firewire box is detected ;\ |
[16:55:57] | iamlindoro: | because your system is not configured |
[16:56:00] | justinh: | that's cos it's not set up |
[16:56:01] | wagnerrp: | if you have a digital tuner, you can pull EIT data from your broadcaster, but dont expect that to provide more than a couple hours of data |
[16:56:12] | sphery: | Have channels, will Travel |
[16:56:29] | HotTuna: | wagnerrp, yea, Ive tried that mode still no option to scan for channels, and fetch listing does nothing |
[16:56:35] | HotTuna: | thats what I meant. |
[16:56:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, its the 'teaser' that plays before the intro, to get you hooked on that episode |
[16:56:43] | iamlindoro: | Get a schedules direct account, set it up in video sources, attach it to your input, THEN fetch channels will work |
[16:56:48] | iamlindoro: | and before all of that, read the manual |
[16:56:57] | sphery: | Fetch channels from listings provider will, by definition, do nothing when you have no listings provider |
[16:57:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but the encoders my local CBS affiliate uses are awful |
[16:57:02] | HotTuna: | I do have a digital box, its the rng-150 which on the mythtv wiki says is plug and play |
[16:57:05] | sphery: | HotTuna: there's a 7-day free trial |
[16:57:26] | iamlindoro: | HotTuna: You still need to configure it-- and part of that is having a listings source |
[16:57:38] | iamlindoro: | There is no such thing as "plug it in and watch" with MythTV |
[16:57:44] | HotTuna: | isn't that eit — or the box my souce |
[16:57:48] | iamlindoro: | no |
[16:57:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in comparison, my local FOX affiliate has similarly pathetic bitrates, but the quality is surprisingly good |
[16:57:58] | iamlindoro: | You cannot use EIT with your firewire device |
[16:58:01] | sphery: | HotTuna: then you'll find that the $20 membership that gives you a year of listings data--the exact same listings data from the same source that TiVo users use and that TiVo users pay $15/mo (or whatever) to get--is the best $20 ever spent on your MythTV box. |
[16:58:06] | wagnerrp: | much more so than would be accounted by the use of 720p instead of 1080i |
[16:58:24] | iamlindoro: | and even when you do have listings, you are going to find that you can, at best, capture network TV off your box |
[16:58:31] | iamlindoro: | if you are hoping to capture all of your channels, give up now |
[16:58:36] | HotTuna: | LOl |
[16:58:38] | HotTuna: | ok no problem |
[16:58:45] | sphery: | HotTuna: and MythTV is a luxury DVR. If you can't afford $20/yr for listings data, you shouldn't be wasting money on MythTV... Instead, spend that money on food. |
[16:58:45] | justinh: | HotTuna: like I said there's no way to interrogate the set top box to find anything out. only a protocol to change channels – and – if you're lucky – get mpeg2 streaming out |
[16:58:58] | HotTuna: | lets not talk about what I can and can't afford |
[16:59:14] | HotTuna: | its whether or not its worth it, and if I cant record all my channels anyway |
[16:59:15] | justinh: | mythtv is NOT a cheap way to get a HD DVR |
[16:59:16] | HotTuna: | whats the point |
[16:59:29] | HotTuna: | yea I thought that was the whole point of firewire |
[16:59:35] | HotTuna: | what a let down |
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[17:00:06] | iamlindoro: | Thank the cable monopolies, and the FCC |
[17:00:14] | HotTuna: | so the best I can do is "watch" my tv stations if I sign up for that website |
[17:00:17] | HotTuna: | correct? |
[17:00:21] | iamlindoro: | FWIW it is the same with any HPTC software, not exclusive to myth |
[17:00:25] | sphery: | HotTuna: and that's a valid point--it may not be worth it if you can't get all your channels. That's /exactly/ why the fine folks at Schedules Direct allow you to get a 7-day free trial membership. If during that time, you decide, "I'm just going to get a cable-company DVR since they're encrypting everything," you didn't waste a cent on listings. |
[17:00:43] | HotTuna: | I had a comcast DVR the rng 200 almost the same box |
[17:00:52] | HotTuna: | but it came with a DOA 500gb hd or however big it was |
[17:00:53] | iamlindoro: | HotTuna: no-- The best you are likely to be able to watch, record, or *anything* will be network/broadcast channels |
[17:01:17] | iamlindoro: | No matter how many subscriptions you have, your extended/premium channels are likely to remain absolutely unwatchable via firewire |
[17:01:22] | HotTuna: | im seriously confused then, why does MythTv exist? |
[17:01:23] | sphery: | HotTuna: but then again, with analog encoders, you can capture any channel your set-top-box can decode. So, get Hauppauge PVR-150s or HVR-1600s for standard-definition recording or Hauppauge HD-PVR for high-definition recording. |
[17:01:43] | wagnerrp: | HotTuna: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
[17:01:44] | HotTuna: | iamlindoro, by extended do you mean my hd channels |
[17:01:46] | iamlindoro: | HotTuna: Firewire users are the vast minority of MythTV users |
[17:01:54] | iamlindoro: | HotTuna: I mean anything beyond what you could get with an antenna |
[17:02:01] | HotTuna: | well if not firewire what? |
[17:02:19] | wagnerrp: | HotTuna: basically... only the local 'must carry' channels are required to be unencrypted over digital cable |
[17:02:26] | iamlindoro: | analog capture from boxes, digital capture of unencrypted channels, and in most of the rest of the world, direct digital capture |
[17:02:27] | wagnerrp: | and no channels are required to be unencrypted over firewire |
[17:02:44] | HotTuna: | I figured id be able to record stuff over firewire to my nfs server, then stream to my ps3 via hdmi and viola free dvr |
[17:02:47] | iamlindoro: | ie, MythTV is not US-centric-- it is used, broadly, all over the world |
[17:02:47] | HotTuna: | how stupid am I lol |
[17:02:48] | wagnerrp: | the only sure fire mode of capture is analog, and thats described in the link i just gave you |
[17:03:04] | wagnerrp: | erm... the PS3 does not capture HDMI |
[17:03:06] | HotTuna: | stream to my ps3 via ethernet , then tv via hdmi rather. |
[17:03:17] | HotTuna: | you know what I meant ;\ |
[17:03:30] | wagnerrp: | once you get the content into mythtv, you can do whatever you want with it |
[17:03:41] | HotTuna: | thats now what you guys just told me |
[17:03:42] | HotTuna: | lol |
[17:03:45] | HotTuna: | not* |
[17:03:48] | wagnerrp: | the simple problem is that mythtv does not support any form of encryption used in north america |
[17:03:54] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is definitely *not* the bargain basement option-- myth is for you if you want absolute flexibility, and are willing to spend to get it |
[17:04:02] | wagnerrp: | you will only be able to capture unencrypted content |
[17:04:08] | HotTuna: | what is unencrypted |
[17:04:11] | HotTuna: | non-hd or ? |
[17:04:16] | iamlindoro: | network TV, generally speaking |
[17:04:24] | iamlindoro: | ie, NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox |
[17:04:27] | wagnerrp: | either content the cable company has decided to provide to you unencrypted, or analog video which cannot be encrypted |
[17:04:29] | justinh: | all the websites saying mythtv was the great panacea of DVR on the cheap were just plain ill informed or lying :) |
[17:04:31] | iamlindoro: | What you would get with an antenna |
[17:04:32] | HotTuna: | i can watch that on my SD tv |
[17:04:36] | iamlindoro: | yes, you can |
[17:04:49] | HotTuna: | thats hilarious |
[17:04:54] | HotTuna: | go comcast |
[17:04:56] | wagnerrp: | thats DRM for you |
[17:05:03] | HotTuna: | $99 a month and bend over too! |
[17:05:06] | justinh: | all hail 5C! |
[17:05:08] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
[17:05:14] | keith4: | i record HD over firewire, from my cable box. but it's unsual, as I understand it |
[17:05:26] | justinh: | you don't expect anything else in this digital era do you? :-O |
[17:05:26] | wagnerrp: | HotTuna: check out that webpage i linked you to |
[17:05:29] | iamlindoro: | As wagnerrp alluded, there are numerous ways to capture the output of the box, but in the US, with cable, to get all channels reliably, you're on the hook for a box and an analog capture device |
[17:05:33] | HotTuna: | yea I was reading about firewire, found out it was federal law all hd boxes have firewire, so I figured I could record HD BIG MISTAKE |
[17:05:36] | iamlindoro: | and yes, definitely read the link |
[17:05:36] | wagnerrp: | in there, there is mention of a company called silicondust |
[17:05:55] | wagnerrp: | they have a network digital tuner, that updates their website with available lineups |
[17:06:03] | keith4: | yah... Comcast is encryption-happy, I hear. Thankfully, RCN doesn't quite have their act together in that regard |
[17:06:09] | HotTuna: | I really do appreciate all your help |
[17:06:13] | wagnerrp: | you can search for your zip code on their website, and get a lineup of what digital cable channels you can expect to get unencrypted |
[17:06:14] | HotTuna: | but this does nothing new for me |
[17:06:15] | keith4: | the day they shut off my firewire HD is the day I cancel cable, though |
[17:06:20] | justinh: | HotTuna: it depends. in very extreme cases some people have reportedly been able to get virtually everything they pay for over firewire – but this is rare & that number of people is rapidly decreasing |
[17:06:24] | HotTuna: | except now im out $12 for a 15-foot firewire cable |
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[17:06:39] | wagnerrp: | why so long? |
[17:06:39] | keith4: | well, that'll teach you to buy cables at BestBuy |
[17:06:50] | HotTuna: | wagnerrp, so I can sit on my couch not the floow |
[17:06:54] | HotTuna: | floor |
[17:07:03] | HotTuna: | but it doesn't rly mattr now |
[17:07:12] | wagnerrp: | you have this plugged into your laptop or something? |
[17:07:16] | HotTuna: | yea |
[17:07:23] | HotTuna: | hdbox/ubuntu 10.04 |
[17:07:39] | wagnerrp: | note that if you use a cable box with mythtv, it is effectively mythtv's tuner |
[17:07:46] | HotTuna: | huh |
[17:07:50] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv expects to have dedicated access to any tuners it uses |
[17:07:58] | HotTuna: | im losing you |
[17:08:08] | wagnerrp: | trying to share a cable box between watching livetv, and recording with mythtv, will not work well |
[17:08:16] | HotTuna: | I can't do anything |
[17:08:18] | HotTuna: | remembr |
[17:08:25] | HotTuna: | I dont even have channels unless I sign up |
[17:08:33] | HotTuna: | which Is pointless since I will only get 10 channels |
[17:08:42] | HotTuna: | that I could just watch in HD on my 50' tv |
[17:08:59] | wagnerrp: | please go to that web page i linked you to |
[17:09:08] | HotTuna: | you already explained it to me |
[17:09:33] | wagnerrp: | and we explained that the only 'sure fire' way to capture is over analog |
[17:09:39] | wagnerrp: | which you can do in HD, with an HDPVR |
[17:09:44] | HotTuna: | so |
[17:09:48] | justinh: | or vote with your wallet & ditch cable :) |
[17:09:52] | wagnerrp: | or that |
[17:10:05] | ** justinh wishes more people would vote with their wallet ** | |
[17:10:07] | wagnerrp: | there ARE ways to get exactly the content you want |
[17:10:16] | HotTuna: | so |
[17:10:45] | HotTuna: | haha comcast is the only game in town |
[17:10:50] | justinh: | so? |
[17:10:56] | HotTuna: | so have no tv or internet |
[17:10:59] | HotTuna: | sounds like a plan |
[17:11:06] | wagnerrp: | no local DSL? |
[17:11:09] | HotTuna: | dsl sucks |
[17:11:21] | justinh: | you can't just ditch the cable TV? heh |
[17:11:27] | HotTuna: | this house is 80 years old how do you think the phone wiring is |
[17:11:38] | wagnerrp: | rewire? |
[17:11:39] | HotTuna: | dsl is slow as heck compared to 16mb/s comcast |
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[17:11:52] | HotTuna: | nah im good. I dont like verizon at all |
[17:12:11] | HotTuna: | ill just call comcast and see if my town is 5c encrypted |
[17:12:16] | HotTuna: | if not, ill pay the $20 a month |
[17:12:18] | wagnerrp: | they wont know |
[17:12:27] | HotTuna: | a year |
[17:12:32] | wagnerrp: | their CSRs wont even know what that term is |
[17:12:41] | HotTuna: | yea I had some dude who didn |
[17:12:48] | HotTuna: | even speak english install my cable |
[17:12:51] | wagnerrp: | they may not even know their cable boxes support firewire |
[17:12:55] | HotTuna: | some white dude had to come back and fix it. |
[17:13:04] | justinh: | mythtv was born out of its creator's frustration with the DVR supplied by the cable provider. since its inception, digital TV has become virtually compulsory – and the broadcasters/content providers have taken their chance to be ever more restrictive. welcome to the digital revolution |
[17:13:11] | wagnerrp: | or that they are required by FCC mandate to do so |
[17:13:25] | HotTuna: | so my only way to test is to sign up for that free trial |
[17:13:31] | HotTuna: | and see if I get all my channels |
[17:13:39] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about firewire |
[17:13:46] | wagnerrp: | never used it |
[17:14:03] | HotTuna: | me either technically |
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[17:14:22] | justinh: | before digital, all the cable companies could do (and then at a pinch) was restrict what you could receive. now they can theoretically control what you watch, when you watch it, how you watch it.. whether or not you can record it, whether or not you get to keep the recording... |
[17:14:28] | wagnerrp: | i know that free trial wont provide you the 'firewire channels', it will just give you your entire cable lineup |
[17:14:48] | wagnerrp: | im surprised there is no way to scan firewire |
[17:14:51] | HotTuna: | why have a box, with the best digital output |
[17:14:57] | HotTuna: | and then limit it to death |
[17:15:05] | justinh: | HotTuna: why not? maximise your revenue! |
[17:15:11] | wagnerrp: | HotTuna: because it keeps you locked into their hardware and their service |
[17:15:19] | justinh: | basic cable box doesn't record? fine! just rent our DVR! |
[17:15:19] | HotTuna: | im going to arrest the next comcast employee I see |
[17:15:22] | wagnerrp: | it keeps them in control of you |
[17:15:31] | justinh: | rent our DVR which we still control :D |
[17:15:37] | HotTuna: | I rented the dvr |
[17:15:41] | HotTuna: | it was a 500gb DOA |
[17:15:44] | justinh: | oh no sorry, you won't be skipping those ads today sir |
[17:15:46] | HotTuna: | dead on arrival. |
[17:16:04] | justinh: | or we might let you skip the ad but we'll show you an ad while you do it :D |
[17:16:08] | justinh: | muhahahaha |
[17:16:11] | rossand: | Just wondering... if I'm comfortable managing a Fedora box (or other distros for that matter), is there any advantage to running a distro like mythdora? |
[17:16:36] | HotTuna: | lol |
[17:16:46] | justinh: | rossand: it might save you a little time & effort, but not much IMHO |
[17:16:48] | HotTuna: | ok ok I guess I better go signup and atleast try this |
[17:17:04] | HotTuna: | do they ask for Credit card |
[17:17:12] | justinh: | HotTuna: believe it or not, stuff like showing ads while users skip content has been patented |
[17:17:17] | HotTuna: | cause I dont give my cc info out on the internet |
[17:17:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont think one is needed for the trial |
[17:17:43] | rossand: | Thanks justinh. I noticed Mythdora was based on a pretty ancient version of Fedora so I was thinking I'd go forth on 13 (or crash and burn trying). :-) |
[17:17:58] | gbee: | rossand: the tools bundled with mythdora will make setup easier (probably), but you may be able to install/use those with Fedora instead of switching fully to mythdora |
[17:18:17] | justinh: | rossand: same thing applies to mythtv installs on any distro as it does to any myth based distro – you should really still RTFM first |
[17:18:48] | rossand: | gbee: justinh, yep... will do. Thanks for the quick replies. |
[17:19:16] | justinh: | in the case of mythtv based distros, read *their* docs |
[17:19:37] | justinh: | infact same goes for distros really since some do funky stuff in their packaging |
[17:19:48] | gbee: | mythdora may have additional repos containing up-to-date fixes, at least mythbuntu does, again it should be possible to enable those on a standard fedora install |
[17:19:53] | ** justinh looks sternly at ubuntu ** | |
[17:20:15] | HotTuna: | can my box output via hdmi and firewire at the same time ? |
[17:20:25] | HotTuna: | like can i watch tv at the same time |
[17:20:29] | gbee: | jams may be able to say a lot more about the advantages of mythdora over fedora |
[17:21:48] | justinh: | one thing none of the mythtv based distros have made simpler yet is the process of going through each step in mythtv-setup. that, in common with running mythtv on any ordinary distro is *still* users' biggest failing point |
[17:23:37] | justinh: | and seriously, if I see just one more ubuntu user with DB problems... |
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[17:25:14] | XLV: | anyone, about mythtv & dvb-t mpeg4? |
[17:25:29] | wagnerrp: | what about it? |
[17:25:30] | justinh: | grr. another email enquiry about how much this darn dog club charges for its classes. It's all on the *front* *page* dullards! |
[17:25:41] | HotTuna: | im going to engineer a hack for 5c |
[17:25:55] | HotTuna: | dullards = english ? |
[17:25:56] | justinh: | XLV: h.264 is a cow to decode with a CPU.. think 2.8Ghz C2D or so |
[17:26:06] | wagnerrp: | good luck with that, i would advise not releasing it, or at least not in any way traceable to you |
[17:26:10] | justinh: | HotTuna: no, people who are a bit thick |
[17:26:16] | HotTuna: | why |
[17:26:19] | HotTuna: | its illegal |
[17:26:23] | HotTuna: | ? |
[17:26:27] | wagnerrp: | yes |
[17:26:31] | HotTuna: | nope |
[17:26:34] | wagnerrp: | yes |
[17:26:36] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
[17:26:38] | XLV: | justinh, cpu is there, and i can get a nvidia for vdpau |
[17:26:46] | justinh: | HotTuna: do you have a very clever lawyer at your disposal? welcome to being-sued-street :D |
[17:26:47] | iamlindoro: | and very likely to get you a ban in here, too |
[17:26:49] | HotTuna: | how do you figure ? it will be my proprietery information |
[17:26:57] | wagnerrp: | only if you dont release it |
[17:27:04] | HotTuna: | actually Im just kidding, I happen to be a detective |
[17:27:26] | HotTuna: | but thanks for the care :D |
[17:27:29] | justinh: | remember the college lecturer who set his students onto cracking a teensy little bit of 5C encrippled stuff? |
[17:27:40] | HotTuna: | do I, no... lol |
[17:27:50] | justinh: | just to prove how hard it is.. and it was a 2 second clip... |
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[17:28:11] | justinh: | took a pretty big CPU farm a pretty long time – he published his findings & got in a whole load of trouble |
[17:29:22] | HotTuna: | omg |
[17:29:28] | HotTuna: | my heroes were involved in 5c |
[17:29:29] | HotTuna: | for SHAME |
[17:30:36] | wagnerrp: | http://techlaw.lls.edu/events/atc2004/facts6.pdf |
[17:33:34] | sphery: | gbee / rossand: jams would tell you the advantages of LinHES over plain ARCH. j-rod would tell you the advantages of MythDora over plain Fedora. |
[17:34:04] | gbee: | ugh, yeah I was getting confused |
[17:34:11] | HotTuna: | so |
[17:34:15] | HotTuna: | did he go to jail ? |
[17:34:47] | sphery: | rossand: in my opinion, though, using MythDora means you get Fedora properly configured for MythTV. Using Fedora means you take Fedora, configure it the way you think is best, and hope it all works out. I.e. the MythDora guys spend a /lot/ of time keeping up with MythTV development and understanding its architecture and requirements so that you don't have to. :) |
[17:35:23] | wagnerrp: | rossand: i think the biggest advantage of using mythdora is you get all the pulseaudio crap ripped out of it already |
[17:35:28] | rossand: | sphery: That's a very good point. Thank you for sharing it. |
[17:36:39] | rossand: | wagnerrp: I take it that means it'll run better with Alsa? |
[17:36:58] | HotTuna: | that website for finding listings, when downloading goes to 50% and then closes |
[17:36:59] | HotTuna: | ;\ |
[17:39:15] | HotTuna: | is that website working for you guys? |
[17:42:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | btw: there were TVs with firewire inputs, thus the FCC mandate for HD boxes to have a functional FireWire output... And although the cable company is legally required to provide a STB with firewire output, it can (and in most cases will) be 5C encrypted. |
[17:43:55] | HotTuna: | great |
[17:44:03] | HotTuna: | and the schedule website doesn't work |
[17:47:08] | ** EvilGuru would still like to see the paper that demolished HDCP ** | |
[17:48:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | HotTuna: nothing wrong with the silicondust.com lineup esults here... |
[17:48:39] | HotTuna: | schedulesdirect.com |
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[17:49:23] | HotTuna: | the one built in to myth |
[17:49:26] | HotTuna: | doesn't work for me |
[17:50:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you sign up for the Trial, and enter your username/password? |
[17:50:21] | HotTuna: | yes. |
[17:50:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | (in myth) |
[17:50:27] | HotTuna: | it goes to 50% and then closes |
[17:50:29] | HotTuna: | yea |
[17:50:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | It takes about 30 secs to return on my box – but does work. |
[17:50:55] | justinh: | EvilGuru: with brute force you can do anything if you have the time – and all to get you 2 secs of clear content. woot |
[17:51:00] | HotTuna: | mm maybe my acct isn't active yet? |
[17:51:32] | sphery: | and just because you don't see the progress bar show 100% doesn't mean it didn't get there |
[17:51:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | HotTuna: It's instant iirc... login to the web page to check... |
[17:52:10] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Seems interesting, as usually encryption is either soo weak (512 RSA or 40-bit <whatever>) that it is worthless or so strong 128-bit AES that you'll never get it |
[17:52:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | HotTuna: And you did add a lineup, right? |
[17:52:22] | HotTuna: | I have no options |
[17:52:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | HotTuna: on schedulesdirect.org – did you add a lineup to your acct? |
[17:53:03] | HotTuna: | no. |
[17:53:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | that would do it. ;-) |
[17:53:26] | HotTuna: | lol mythtv needs a better guide |
[17:54:17] | justinh: | if only there was some kind of repository on the internet for mythtv related information |
[17:54:48] | justinh: | a repository where kind spirited users could actually contribute to documentation |
[17:54:54] | HotTuna: | LOL |
[17:55:29] | wagnerrp: | we could call it... a wiki! |
[17:55:52] | justinh: | guy at work calls it a Smith. As in Will Smith. Wiki wiki wah wah |
[17:56:05] | justinh: | we dont feel like hitting him much |
[17:56:07] | justinh: | honest |
[17:56:26] | HotTuna: | well I added a lineup |
[17:56:28] | HotTuna: | but same issue |
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[17:59:04] | sphery: | HotTuna: may need to restart mythtv-setup since it caches some info from SchedDirect |
[17:59:45] | HotTuna: | k. |
[18:00:31] | HotTuna: | nope ;\ |
[18:03:08] | HotTuna: | im unathorized still heh |
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[18:17:08] | Malard: | hi, has anyone got experiencing install mythtv/buntu on a dell zino hd? |
[18:17:17] | Malard: | i am having issues getting the graphics card/hdmi audio to work properly |
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[18:28:50] | blizzard_: | I am getting these messages in the backend logfile all the time (about ones every 10 seconds): |
[18:28:53] | blizzard_: | 2010-06–24 20:27:57.194 MythSocket(7f91d0144300:53): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (941 errors) |
[18:28:57] | blizzard_: | anyone got a clue why? |
[18:29:13] | blizzard_: | LiveTV works fine even tho these messages |
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[18:46:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Malard: ATI graphics? Good luck... |
[18:46:23] | Malard: | yeah i know |
[18:46:33] | Malard: | it got hdmi stereo to work |
[18:46:57] | Malard: | and my amp is clever enough to work out how to take that and make it surround, but i would rather just output the raw PCM over the hdmi |
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[18:53:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Malard: I only recently switched to HD cable (FiOS TV), and haven't setup my 5.1 system with Myth yet... Heck, I don't even own a HDTV – my two HD display devices are actually widescreen Computer LCD monitors with DVI inputs... ;-) |
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[18:54:03] | ** J-e-f-f-A needs to build his "Home Theater" / "Man Cave" this year... ;-) MuWaHaHa!!! ** | |
[18:54:16] | Malard: | hehe, well, i have a hdmi amp from maranantz |
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[18:54:33] | Malard: | *marantz |
[18:54:58] | Malard: | its nice, it works well with windows and its media center, so i am guessing based on what you said is that the ati implementation of the drivers for linux would be at fault |
[18:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | The only piece of equipment I have that has an HDMI port is my nvidia cards... ;-) |
[18:55:24] | Malard: | well for your man cave, you need to go hdmi, it simplifies the a/v wiring so much |
[18:55:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Malard: It may just work fine in Linux, but you won't [currently] get any hardware video decoding on that ATI chip – although we do have two developers working on that support now. ;-) |
[18:56:33] | Malard: | ah, so that would explain why i get really poor playback |
[18:56:44] | Malard: | dvd playback in vlc is fine |
[18:56:47] | Malard: | very smooth |
[18:57:00] | Malard: | but in the Internal player it crashed after the first scene |
[18:57:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Malard: vlc probably has vaapi support already, Myth doesn't have it quite yet. |
[18:57:33] | Malard: | okay |
[18:57:48] | wagnerrp: | yes, VLC got VAAPI support with their latest release |
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[18:58:09] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: VAAPI only works with the latest to generations of ATI cards |
[18:58:14] | Malard: | i really like mythtv, but i am going to have to wait for that support, do you know if another MCE would have that support already in the interim? |
[18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | Malard: what card do you have? |
[18:58:19] | Malard: | erm |
[18:58:29] | wagnerrp: | not that VAAPI is in any way needed for DVD playback |
[18:58:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 Graphics |
[18:58:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Specifications – Video Card |
[18:58:50] | wagnerrp: | any computer that would have a VAAPI enabled playback card would be capable of playing back DVDs just fine |
[18:58:50] | Malard: | yeah i think thats it |
[18:58:56] | Malard: | 3250 or 3200 |
[18:59:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: He's running a Inspiron Zino HD |
[18:59:07] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: according to ATI, they only support the 4xxx series and later |
[18:59:22] | wagnerrp: | although apparently they added support for some of the 3xxx line later |
[18:59:30] | Malard: | i did'nt have any issues playing back Batman TDK on vlc in mythbuntu |
[18:59:40] | Malard: | but if i try and have mythtv in the background that crashes completely |
[18:59:53] | Malard: | and doesnt like if i change focus from mythtv back to the desktop |
[18:59:59] | wagnerrp: | none of the processors listed there would have any trouble playing any DVD |
[19:01:39] | Wicked: | Malard, while unsupported by the myth devs...xbmc has vaapi support and can talk to your mythbackend. If you do use xbmc...dont use the mythbox addon on...pure xbmc has mythtv support in it that wont fubar your database. |
[19:02:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... says "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330 (Optional)" – perhaps he's got the 4430 option? |
[19:02:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | but then again, as wagnerrp says, it should have no problem playing back a standard DVD... even without any acceleration... |
[19:02:46] | Malard: | sorry, whats mythbox? |
[19:02:57] | Malard: | no its definatly the 32xx series in my zino |
[19:03:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, ice cream down-stairs... brb... ;-) |
[19:03:14] | wagnerrp: | mythbox is a 3rd party plugin for XBMC to access mythtv content |
[19:03:28] | Wicked: | Malard, its a addon for xbmc(xbox media center).... |
[19:03:53] | Wicked: | though they recently just dropped official support for xbox |
[19:04:51] | Malard: | yeah i know what xbmc is, but what does mythbxo do then? is it ment to be a bridge? |
[19:04:57] | Malard: | but its now in core code? |
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[19:05:51] | wagnerrp: | XBMC natively 'supports' accessing myth content |
[19:06:00] | wagnerrp: | mythbox actually provides a menu interface for it |
[19:06:26] | iamlindoro: | But *both* fake the protocol |
[19:06:28] | wagnerrp: | i say that in quotes, because it bypasses all the protocol and database version checks, which normally ensure you are running the proper version |
[19:06:38] | wagnerrp: | mythbox actually talks the proper protocol |
[19:06:43] | Malard: | okay |
[19:06:45] | wagnerrp: | but it ignores the database schema version |
[19:06:52] | Wicked: | but mythbox also messes with the database |
[19:06:57] | wagnerrp: | but XBMC's internal playback support fakes the protocll |
[19:07:08] | Wicked: | the stuff in the base xbmc doesnt |
[19:07:10] | Malard: | well, i dont have anything in my mythtv install |
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[19:07:24] | Malard: | i basically installed the mythbuntu iso, and then went to work trying to sort my a/v issues |
[19:07:37] | Malard: | i havent even worked out how to install my usb dvb-s box |
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[19:18:18] | dustybin: | what a great way to wake up in the morning |
[19:18:20] | dustybin: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/frontend2.jpg |
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[19:41:25] | jheizer: | tried to ask about a video card on the users mailing list a few days ago and didn't get any replies on this interesting card |
[19:41:52] | jheizer: | Has anyone here used or heard anything about ZOTAC ION-GPU-A-E ION PCI E 1x card |
[19:41:59] | jheizer: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 64-_-Product |
[19:42:50] | blizzard_: | dusty: what tablet is that? |
[19:42:55] | wagnerrp: | VIDEO CARD? |
[19:42:58] | jheizer: | ion gpu on a 1x card could be nice for and older system |
[19:43:00] | wagnerrp: | whoops... caps |
[19:43:02] | EvilGuru: | jheizer: Interesting. If it is PCI-e 2x it just might work |
[19:43:06] | EvilGuru: | *2.0 |
[19:43:07] | johnnyj: | I'm just saying: the conflict resolution / recording scheduler is working great for me |
[19:43:14] | wagnerrp: | ION is not a GPU, its a combination of an Atom and an 9400M |
[19:43:18] | wagnerrp: | its a platform |
[19:43:28] | jheizer: | yeah, understood |
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[19:43:52] | jheizer: | guess I was assuming it used the same 9400, but haven't checked |
[19:44:24] | wagnerrp: | rather pricey for what you get |
[19:44:42] | wagnerrp: | unless youre specifically looking for the power power consumption of a mobile graphics chip\ |
[19:44:47] | jheizer: | yeah, kind of $$ unless you don;t have a 16x slot |
[19:46:47] | jheizer: | here it is in a combo with an atom board |
[19:46:48] | jheizer: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500055 |
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[19:46:55] | jheizer: | can't find either on zotac's website |
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[19:50:54] | jheizer: | guess I will stay away from it for now |
[19:51:03] | jheizer: | since this would be a change to our main FE |
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[19:53:57] | jheizer: | will just go with the asus ion board and be done with it |
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[20:02:21] | Timslin: | have a few questions for you guys |
[20:02:37] | Timslin: | i want to buy a tv tuner card and was referred here |
[20:02:54] | Timslin: | mythtv is obviously the app to watch TV right? |
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[20:03:10] | wagnerrp: | watch tv? no |
[20:03:38] | Timslin: | wagnerrp, so what is it? I was just told that and referred here |
[20:03:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is a DVR |
[20:04:02] | wagnerrp: | its intended for scheduled recording of tv, and playback of those recordings |
[20:04:23] | wagnerrp: | if you just want to watch tv through a tuner card, it is far more complex than you want |
[20:04:56] | Timslin: | wagnerrp, hmmm... was told otherwise. So do i watch TV on my PC? |
[20:05:33] | Timslin: | *sorry i meant how do i watch TV on my PC? |
[20:06:02] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital? |
[20:06:44] | Timslin: | wagnerrp, digital i guess |
[20:07:34] | wagnerrp: | mplayer, xine, vlc, kaffeine, ... |
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[20:08:47] | Timslin: | wagnerrp, yes but how do i get the channels? I install the card and drivers do the channels just appear? |
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[20:09:52] | wagnerrp: | `scan` |
[20:10:32] | Timslin: | cool, can you recommend any brands which will not have much issues in Linux? |
[20:11:40] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
[20:11:40] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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[20:17:54] | Timslin: | wagnerrp, do i have to connect an aerial to the card? |
[20:18:34] | iamlindoro: | only if you want channels |
[20:20:14] | Timslin: | what else would i use it for |
[20:20:35] | iamlindoro: | chopping vegetables, I guess |
[20:21:05] | Timslin: | lol |
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[20:22:19] | Malard: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . -NOVA-S-USB2 does anyone know if there is any linux drivers for this? |
[20:22:24] | devinheitmuelle1: | Timslin: whether you require an aerial is largely dictated by where you are located relative to the broadcaster. The easiest test is to hook up a regular TV in the same location and see what you can receive. |
[20:22:56] | iamlindoro: | Tht said, plugging *nothing* into the card will yield nothing, is what I am getting at |
[20:23:22] | devinheitmuelle1: | Yes, but whether you need an aeriel on the roof or just a pair of rabbit ears depends on the situation. |
[20:23:42] | iamlindoro: | Malard: The page in question indicates that it is unsupported-- that wiki is as close to a definitive source as it gets |
[20:23:59] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: I had sort of presumed he was using aerial as a synonym for "antenna" |
[20:24:11] | devinheitmuelle1: | perhaps. |
[20:25:34] | Timslin: | when i say aerial i mean the thing on the roof and not rabbit ears |
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[20:26:50] | iamlindoro: | then yes, what magnitude of antenna you require is going to be dependent heavily on geography/location/terrain |
[20:29:59] | Timslin: | iamlindoro, can't i use the antenna we already have? |
[20:30:29] | iamlindoro: | Did I say you couldn't? |
[20:31:18] | Timslin: | Hauppauge a good brand? |
[20:31:33] | iamlindoro: | Yes, Hauppauge is a respected brand |
[20:31:43] | iamlindoro: | with generally good Linux support |
[20:31:49] | Beirdo: | mmm, Metallica |
[20:32:50] | devinheitmuelle1: | Timslin: where are you located? |
[20:32:59] | Timslin: | UK |
[20:33:11] | devinheitmuelle1: | And are you looking for DVB-T I presume? |
[20:33:32] | Timslin: | i don't know, you tell me what will work? |
[20:33:43] | gbee: | yes he wants DVB-T |
[20:33:45] | gbee: | Nova-T is a safe bet |
[20:33:53] | devinheitmuelle1: | Well, he might be interested in satellite? |
[20:33:56] | devinheitmuelle1: | (which is why I asked) |
[20:33:59] | gbee: | Hauppauge Nova-TD 500 |
[20:34:04] | devinheitmuelle1: | But yeah, the Nova-T is a descent bet. |
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[20:34:25] | Beirdo: | devinheitmuelle1: good to see ya on :) |
[20:34:28] | devinheitmuelle1: | Just make sure you're running a relatively recent distro, because there were some fixes a few months ago. |
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[20:34:49] | gbee: | devinheitmuelle1: he might but I think we'll keep it simple, every home has a terrestrial aerial, not all have dishes installed and ready to use |
[20:34:56] | devinheitmuelle1: | Beirdo: Yeah, I'm generally here three days a week (when I'm working from home). How chatty I am though is largely dictated by how much time I spend compiling. |
[20:35:00] | Timslin: | just upgraded to Win7 and F13 |
[20:35:22] | devinheitmuelle1: | yeah, F13 should have a fairly recent v4l-dvb build, so you should be fine. |
[20:35:23] | Timslin: | bgee, this the same card? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-WinTV-Nova- . . . p/B000I1RHWA |
[20:35:24] | Beirdo: | OK, this MP3 must die! |
[20:35:30] | gbee: | satellite gives HD which is a bonus |
[20:35:39] | Beirdo: | devinheitmuelle1: cool. :) |
[20:35:55] | Beirdo: | Eye of the Tiger... must die... mplayer can't play it |
[20:36:11] | Beirdo: | skip, skip, skip |
[20:36:23] | Beirdo: | dangit, I think I lost the CD I ripped it from too |
[20:36:33] | devinheitmuelle1: | Today was a day where much of the time was spent waiting for code to compile. |
[20:37:05] | devinheitmuelle1: | Now if I can just get the damn UPnP support to interoperate with MythTV.... ;-) |
[20:37:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
[20:37:31] | Timslin: | gbee, ill obviously need a dish to watch satellite right? |
[20:37:37] | Beirdo: | UPnP in mythtv needs a forklift upgrade, it seems |
[20:38:02] | devinheitmuelle1: | Beirdo: Yeah, in this case though it's just a bug in the MediaMVP's UPnP client code. |
[20:38:14] | Beirdo: | ah |
[20:38:32] | devinheitmuelle1: | Five watts for HD playback though makes a pretty nice frontend. :-) |
[20:38:42] | gbee: | Timslin: yes |
[20:38:43] | Beirdo: | VERY tempting, yes |
[20:39:30] | Timslin: | gbee, with the card i pointed to on Amazon i can simply plug in my TV antenna and scan right? |
[20:40:09] | Beirdo: | OMG, that's a rough transition. Dream Theater -> Peter, Paul & Mary |
[20:40:25] | gbee: | as far as I'm aware upnp support in myth is DNLA compliant and pretty much bug-free, the trouble comes with a raft of devices and client software which have their own quirks, bugs or use extensions that myth doesn't know about |
[20:40:45] | gbee: | Timslin: yes |
[20:40:47] | Beirdo: | gbee: seriously? Cool. :) |
[20:40:59] | devinheitmuelle1: | gbee: I'm not arguing otherwise. I don't think it's a MythTV bug. |
[20:41:03] | Beirdo: | then my TV should like it just fine |
[20:41:20] | Beirdo: | the ultimate in DNLA frontends... the TV itself |
[20:41:34] | gbee: | Beirdo: I don't use upnp, but that's what I understand |
[20:41:39] | Beirdo: | assuming Samsung implemented it well :) |
[20:41:41] | dustybin: | anybody here use ubuntu karmic to autologin a frontend? |
[20:41:42] | devinheitmuelle1: | gbee: do you know how good MythTV is at providing the metadata? |
[20:41:49] | Beirdo: | I'll try it after recording some stuff |
[20:41:53] | devinheitmuelle1: | (in the UPnP)? |
[20:42:04] | Malard: | gbee, i actually dont, i never installed any aerial during first fit, then again i do also have this in the garden: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/h . . . 998014_n.jpg |
[20:42:11] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: At the moment, for video, it provides basically none |
[20:42:16] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: drats. |
[20:42:17] | Beirdo: | I couldn't tear myself away from WATCHING TV long enough to setup the HD-PVR last night |
[20:42:19] | gbee: | Beirdo: and there may be parts of the spec which are unimplemented, but the bits which are should comply |
[20:42:23] | Malard: | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/h . . . 917057_n.jpg is a better shot |
[20:42:30] | Beirdo: | good to hear |
[20:42:44] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: I recently broached the topic of having it use the actual full metadata but it doesn't make sense to start that project until a few near-term changes are made, specifically a filesystem watcher and a DB table reorg |
[20:42:46] | Beirdo: | gbee: who's the "go-to-guy" on UPnP |
[20:42:51] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: if it provided a descent amount of metadata (even if through nonstandard extensions), then I could avoid porting the actual MythTV frontend to it. |
[20:42:58] | sphery: | Beirdo: CDev |
[20:43:06] | Beirdo: | sphery: ah yeah right |
[20:43:06] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: Darn, guess you'll have to port the frontend ;) |
[20:43:11] | Beirdo: | we should add that in the list :) |
[20:43:43] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: Well, it's not impossible since I've got QT running, but it would be a PITA. |
[20:44:05] | gbee: | Malard: you're using that thing to communicate with the mothership, right? |
[20:44:11] | Timslin: | is this a good card and does it work well in linux? http://www.amazon.co.uk/PEAK-DUAL-DVB-T-Digit . . . wl_list-recs |
[20:44:16] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: I would presume the bigger hurdle would be hooking myth into the Sigma (?) SOC |
[20:44:28] | devinheitmuelle1: | Yeah. |
[20:44:53] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: there are really two issues. The first is technical (getting it to work in general), and the second is the GPL will effectively prohibit me from doing it. |
[20:45:03] | devinheitmuelle1: | (since it would have to use libraries that are not open source) |
[20:45:04] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: yeah, the latter was my concern |
[20:45:06] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
[20:45:13] | iamlindoro: | tell Sigma to stop being dummies |
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[20:45:30] | iamlindoro: | Their hardware would have a gigantic uptick in popularity if you could run all sorts of OSS software on it |
[20:45:37] | iamlindoro: | even if all they did was expose the API |
[20:45:40] | devinheitmuelle1: | Their video rendering stuff is a huge codebase with years of development behind it. I cannot blame them too much. |
[20:46:08] | iamlindoro: | I think VDPAU is good proof that the linux community doesn't need to have the full source, they just want the freedom to mess with the capabilities |
[20:46:23] | devinheitmuelle1: | Exposing the API won't really help if you cannot compile to it without violating the GPL. |
[20:46:47] | iamlindoro: | Why would that be a problem? Make the API itself an lgpl lib |
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[20:46:52] | iamlindoro: | a la VDPAU |
[20:47:20] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: If you compile an LGPL library against a GPL binary, you are responsible to make the LGPL code available under the terms of the GPL. |
[20:47:41] | devinheitmuelle1: | It would only really work if MythTV itself was LGPL (which it obviously isn't) |
[20:47:58] | Beirdo: | that wasn't my understanding, but what do I know |
[20:48:01] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: I'm still not seeing the issue-- nVidia takes this same approach successfully with VDPAU |
[20:48:29] | devinheitmuelle1: | And besides, it would largely be dictated on the split of userland/kernel. In Nvidia's case, the bulk of the business logic is in their driver. |
[20:48:32] | iamlindoro: | libvdpau itself is open source, which provides a frontend to the VDPAU API-- applications link against that |
[20:49:07] | Malard: | gbee, i have a rather specific satellite i need to get a signal from |
[20:49:23] | Beirdo: | gotta get that Al Jazeera live feed? |
[20:49:24] | Malard: | although a 2.4m is designed for RxTx |
[20:49:33] | Malard: | Show Sports |
[20:49:34] | devinheitmuelle1: | The reality is that Sigma believes that making the code available might get them another 15 users, while exposing all the trade secrets of how their box works to their competitors. |
[20:49:35] | iamlindoro: | Radio Delta Vega |
[20:49:44] | Malard: | nilesat 7w |
[20:50:01] | kormoc: | devinheitmuelle1, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#Link . . . ledInterface |
[20:50:17] | Malard: | its handy to get all the EPL games in the uk on a saturday |
[20:50:30] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: They wouldn't need to expose any secrets, that's what I/we're getting at |
[20:50:46] | gbee: | in orbit around Betelgeuse no doubt |
[20:50:55] | iamlindoro: | just the APIs to pass the thing a video stream/set some deint options |
[20:51:10] | Malard: | well, i thought that for wider accessibility of my mythtvbackend i would host it in space |
[20:51:12] | iamlindoro: | they could leave the "meat" closed source/binary, and expose the functionality to app developers |
[20:51:37] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: the problem is that the GPL copyright holders would have to add that exclusion to *their* code. |
[20:51:42] | Beirdo: | NP: Weird Al – Achy Breaky Song... I love that he's makin fun of Billy Ray Cyrus... now best known by most as the father of "Hannah Montana" |
[20:51:45] | iamlindoro: | But if they really think that it would not yield more users, then there's little hope for any such solution |
[20:52:00] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: I'm sorry, that just doesn't compute with me |
[20:52:03] | devinheitmuelle1: | This is the classic "how can I use my GPL based application with OpenSSL?" question. |
[20:52:13] | iamlindoro: | There's nothing that prevents linking a GPL program against an LGPL lib |
[20:52:17] | iamlindoro: | we do it all the time, myth included |
[20:52:24] | iamlindoro: | including with libvdpau |
[20:52:26] | gbee: | LGPL is compatible with GPL |
[20:52:40] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: that is true, but it means that if you redistribute you have to be prepared to make the LGPL code available under the terms of the GPL> |
[20:52:57] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: and the lib would be LGPL, and open sources |
[20:52:59] | iamlindoro: | sourced |
[20:53:00] | kormoc: | devinheitmuelle1, negative |
[20:53:05] | gbee: | devinheitmuelle1: not so |
[20:53:11] | kormoc: | devinheitmuelle1, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html Exception to Section 3 of the GNU GPL. |
[20:53:20] | iamlindoro: | again, the open sourced portion would be the API itself, everything sitting below it can lawfully remain closed source |
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[20:54:04] | devinheitmuelle1: | kormoc: Exception three is about stuff that gets implicitly included as a result of usage of the library. |
[20:54:39] | devinheitmuelle1: | It's an exclusion to allow commercial binaries to use the LGPL'd library without the binary itself falling under the LGPL terms. |
[20:54:59] | kormoc: | Section's 3 and 4 |
[20:55:29] | kormoc: | 4 is the key |
[20:55:31] | gbee: | so long as you are linking the library, not distributing as part of your binary, the library remains LGPL |
[20:56:35] | ** Beirdo sits back and eats popcorn ** | |
[20:56:46] | devinheitmuelle1: | I think perhaps we've gotten off track here. Sigma's libraries aren't GPL. They cannot be LGPL without them redistributing the code. If *MythTV* was LGPL then in theory it could link against Sigma's closed source library (which it is not), without Sigma having to release the code. |
[20:57:05] | ** gbee helps himself to Beirdo's popcorn and then goes to find a beer ** | |
[20:57:13] | Beirdo: | :) |
[20:57:19] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: Their libraries don't have to *be* LGPL, and myth wouldn't need to be LGPL to use them no matter what the situation |
[20:57:30] | Malard: | can anyone recommend a dvb-s usb tuner that will work with linux, more specifically xbmc and mythtv? |
[20:57:44] | iamlindoro: | I propose that a middleware library *exactly like libvdpau* expose the functionalities of their hardware, but that the business bits remain closed source |
[20:58:03] | iamlindoro: | I propose that that middleware be LGPL, which myth can and would link to without any license issue or exception |
[20:58:11] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: GPL'd applications cannot be linked against closed source libraries. |
[20:58:12] | kormoc: | (libvdpau, nvidia.ko, etc) |
[20:58:23] | jheizer: | all so complicated, but I am very interested as I am working on a gpl app/plug using a hardware controlling lib that the dev says here, anyone use basically and we distro with our plugin |
[20:58:33] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: which it wouldn't be, please read again |
[20:58:46] | iamlindoro: | myth would link the lgpl'd libsigma or whatever |
[20:59:07] | gbee: | the issue here is the difference between linking a standalone library and actually taking that code and making it part of your binary |
[20:59:09] | jheizer: | hmm, sounds like my plugin would need to be lgpl to do it right? |
[20:59:10] | iamlindoro: | libsigma is *only* an interface to the closed source, binary sigma libs |
[21:00:13] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: Yeah, unfortunately there is a transitive property to the GPL. If GPL "ProjectA" links against LGPL "Project B", which links against Closed source "Project C", all three are expected to be available under the terms of the GPL. |
[21:00:15] | iamlindoro: | jheizer: lgpl is really more appropriate for libs than for applications, so there would be no compelling reason your plugin itself would not be GPL |
[21:00:32] | kormoc: | devinheitmuelle1, not according to the FSF/Linux Kernel Folks |
[21:00:33] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmuelle1: Then best get your lawyers on the nice people at nvidia, and by derivation, us |
[21:00:39] | iamlindoro: | and xbmc |
[21:00:40] | iamlindoro: | and mplayer |
[21:00:42] | iamlindoro: | and ffmpeg |
[21:00:45] | iamlindoro: | and vlc |
[21:00:49] | devinheitmuelle1: | I guess "unfortunately" isn't an appropriate term, since I don't really disagree with their intentions. |
[21:00:49] | gbee: | and respectfully, IANAL, but I believe devinheitmuelle1 has misunderstood the GPL – but who knows, maybe I'm the one who has had this the wrong way around all these years (I wouldn't be alone) |
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[21:01:09] | kormoc: | well, to be fair |
[21:01:18] | kormoc: | he's sorta right |
[21:01:21] | kormoc: | but misssing one step |
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[21:01:27] | devinheitmuelle1: | kormoc: the FSF and Linux folks aren't really good to lump together, since they fundamentally disagree on proprietary modules. |
[21:01:32] | kormoc: | the nvidia kernel bits are dual licensed |
[21:01:39] | kormoc: | So could this layer as well |
[21:01:56] | devinheitmuelle1: | In this case, I've actually been building products with combinations of GPL and other licenses for years. |
[21:02:16] | kormoc: | devinheitmuelle1, they agreed in the end that it wasn't a violation (of gplv2) |
[21:02:23] | devinheitmuelle1: | It is a *very* tricky situation. |
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[21:02:52] | devinheitmuelle1: | There was a pretty good book a few years ago on Open Source licensing. I'll dig up the title if you're interested. |
[21:03:21] | jheizer: | all too confusing |
[21:03:45] | jheizer: | been a user for year, but not trying to actually release developed code it becomes much deeper |
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[21:04:21] | devinheitmuelle1: | Yeah, I went through the due-diligence for an acquisition a few years ago. Proving conformance with the GPL is a huge challenge. |
[21:04:34] | devinheitmuelle1: | (and in fact I found several accidental violations as a result). |
[21:05:00] | xris: | devinheitmuelle1: not to mention that no one wants to actually *tell* people how to conform to it (having worked with the FSF on a couple of mythtv gpl violations) |
[21:05:10] | sidh: | Greetings |
[21:05:11] | devinheitmuelle1: | Fun cases like, "our closed source application uses this library which is under the MIT license, but we didn't realize that the library got linked against the GPL". |
[21:05:47] | devinheitmuelle1: | In those cases we just had to recompile the MIT library without the GPL'd library (since we didn't need any of the stuff provided by that library), but still. |
[21:06:13] | devinheitmuelle1: | Also fun are cases where open source projects themselves violate the licensing (and don't realize it). I had a few cases of that. |
[21:06:14] | gbee: | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NonFreeTools |
[21:06:42] | devinheitmuelle1: | (for example, gcrypt was released under the GPL but borrowed code from SSLeay, thereby clearly violating the GPL itself) |
[21:06:54] | sidh: | I would need to know : when we watch tv with mythtv and it automatically creates a video files (like records) does this file belog to mythtv user, or belongs to the users that launch mythfrontend ? |
[21:07:08] | sidh: | this is for NFS share purpose |
[21:08:11] | iamlindoro: | Every file created by mythtv for television purposes, whether it be live or recorded (same thing, actually) is owned by the user running the backend |
[21:08:29] | iamlindoro: | as the backend does all the file creation, the frontend just asks to watch it |
[21:08:56] | gbee: | in other words, you can link a closed source/non-gpl library as long as you give users explicit permission to do this by way of additional wording in the license – http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs |
[21:09:13] | xris: | sidh: backend creaters all of the files. |
[21:09:31] | xris: | that's like a crater, but opposite.... ;) |
[21:09:34] | devinheitmuelle1: | gbee: Yes, as long as you are the copyright holder on the GPL code. You cannot do that if you are the copyright holder on the closed source software. |
[21:09:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[21:09:41] | iamlindoro: | xris: a boobie? |
[21:09:42] | sidh: | ok once mythbuntu will be installed i'll check with ps aux to which belong the backend process |
[21:09:47] | Beirdo: | xris: you beat me by a couple keystrokes there |
[21:10:21] | sidh: | thanks you for the info |
[21:10:26] | xris: | devinheitmuelle1: copyright holder can do anything he/she wants with the code. the problem with most open source projects (certainly mythtv) is that there is no single holder. |
[21:10:38] | xris: | mythtv could never change its license because there are too many contributors |
[21:10:55] | devinheitmuelle1: | xris: I don't know if I would call that a "problem", but indeed you are correct that it is something that prevents people from changing the license. |
[21:11:00] | xris: | we have enough trouble even pondering gplv3 (on top of the legal questions of whether or not we should switch) |
[21:11:29] | devinheitmuelle1: | It's one of those things that you have to plan for from the very beginning (which for example is why the FSF insists on copyright assignment) |
[21:11:51] | gbee: | devinheitmuelle1: sure, I've long forgotten the context of this particular argument even if I knew it to begin with, so I'm not sure why that would be a problem in this case, but nevermind ;) |
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[21:13:26] | devinheitmuelle1: | Yeah, licensing can put you on some long and windey paths... ;-) |
[21:13:40] | gbee: | xris: too late now I guess, but if we wanted to avoid the complication with future works, we could require that contributors agree to assign copyright to MythTV? |
[21:14:16] | devinheitmuelle1: | I haven't looked. Is the MythTV codebase GPLv2? Or is is "GPLv2 or any newer version"? |
[21:14:53] | kormoc: | v2 or newer |
[21:14:56] | devinheitmuelle1: | If MythTV's license has the "or newer version" clause that is common in many codebases, then they can do GPLv3 at their discretion. |
[21:15:38] | iamlindoro: | Everything I have learned about v3 sounds like it allows us to do less, not more |
[21:15:54] | devinheitmuelle1: | I'm not sure it buys you much though. I don't think many are taking advantage of the loopholes that GPLv3 closes. |
[21:16:11] | iamlindoro: | so can't see any obvious rasons to move to it, other than insane desire to swat forkers of the code out of the sky |
[21:16:13] | devinheitmuelle1: | iamlindoro: Well, it has some good stuff in there, but it does create additional limitations on use. |
[21:16:21] | jheizer: | man, been reading at gnu.org and just makes my head spin |
[21:17:17] | devinheitmuelle1: | Or, if you're a free sofware advocate, it creates "additional protections against misuse" |
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[21:17:56] | devinheitmuelle1: | I've written a good bit of GPL software, and I'm still on the fence about it depending what day of the week it is. |
[21:18:07] | gbee: | devinheitmuelle1: GPL v2, with some LGPL v2, some LGPL v3 and worringly, 2 files under GPL v3 |
[21:18:27] | kormoc: | there's some mit in mythweb |
[21:19:03] | devinheitmuelle1: | Wow. Box go boom. Back in a few minutes... |
[21:19:08] | gbee: | actually I've seen one or two bits of MIT in the C++ code too, but it might have been removed already |
[21:19:41] | kormoc: | gbee, what files are gplv3? cause that would force us to up the rest |
[21:20:21] | kormoc: | "When we say that GPLv2 and GPLv3 are incompatible, it means there is no legal way to combine code under GPLv2 with code under GPLv3 in a single program." http://www.gnu.org/licenses/rms-why-gplv3.html |
[21:20:25] | iamlindoro: | libmythhdhomerun |
[21:20:51] | iamlindoro: | and looks like flowplayer? |
[21:20:56] | iamlindoro: | (still waiting on the grep) |
[21:21:43] | gbee: | kormoc: that's why I said it was worrying, I haven't actually grepped for that just yet, I was going by Ohloh |
[21:22:11] | kormoc: | flowplayer is a stand-alone chunk, so that's okay |
[21:22:20] | kormoc: | it's not linked together |
[21:22:31] | kormoc: | (Yay murky web-tech!) |
[21:22:37] | jheizer: | haha |
[21:22:49] | gbee: | fwiw, the MIT license appears in libav*, libmythnvctrl* and a python script for vimeo |
[21:23:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Suspect RDV_Linux added a header from the web, relicensing that should not be a problem |
[21:23:51] | gbee: | oauth_api.py |
[21:23:53] | iamlindoro: | oh, the auth one |
[21:24:16] | iamlindoro: | yeah, think that should be fine? Even if the vimeo grabber altogether were v3 it should still be safe |
[21:24:28] | iamlindoro: | since it stands alone as well |
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[21:24:44] | \pub\bash0r: | hi – can I import a channels.conf file without having mythtv to rescan those channels in there? |
[21:24:52] | gbee: | iamlindoro: this is MIT, not sure where that stands with the GPL but it should be fine |
[21:24:55] | \pub\bash0r: | (mythtv for some reason thinks some of those channels are scrambled and kicks them out, although I can view them just fine in VLC) |
[21:25:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: how can they say that GPLv2 and GPLv3 are incompatible when so many people use "GPLv2 or any later version" for licensing... sounds like a recipe for disaster :) |
[21:25:06] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Ah, sorry, missed the topic change |
[21:25:35] | iamlindoro: | It sounds like the potentially most problematic thing is libmythhdhomerun being v3 |
[21:25:36] | kormoc: | Beirdo, as it stands now, any complied myth is forced to gplv3 |
[21:25:59] | kormoc: | Beirdo, as gplv2 and v3 can't exist, the v2 ups to v3 because we have the or newer clause |
[21:26:00] | xris: | kormoc: what in mythweb is mit? |
[21:26:02] | Beirdo: | sounds that way to me, yeah. I take it that wasn't intentional? |
[21:26:03] | wagnerrp: | ... we need a lawyer on retainer |
[21:26:11] | kormoc: | if we didn't have the or newer, it won't be allowed |
[21:26:19] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
[21:27:11] | kormoc: | xris, scriptaculous for one |
[21:27:56] | Beirdo: | too bad "public domain" doesn't translate across national borders well |
[21:28:16] | kormoc: | xris, prototypejs as well |
[21:28:20] | kormoc: | and prototip |
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[21:28:46] | ekristen: | good evening |
[21:29:19] | ekristen: | whenever mythfilldatabase runs I get this error and I have to manually restart the backend for schedules to get updated |
[21:29:31] | ekristen: | error "Connection to master server timed out. Either the server is down or the master server settings in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address" |
[21:29:32] | gbee: | wagnerrp: we now have lawyers, pro bono ones anyway, but whether we can throw just any issue their way or not ... |
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[21:30:05] | xris: | kormoc: ah, ok. that makes sense. as long as it's not something linked to the php. heh |
[21:30:18] | xris: | though php is easier to mix licenses with than c++ |
[21:30:23] | wagnerrp: | well all this talk about licensing, the python bindings currently had no mention of any form of licensing what-so-ever |
[21:30:38] | xris: | wagnerrp: should be covered by the main mythtv license statement, no? |
[21:30:46] | wagnerrp: | no idea how that works |
[21:30:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, lgpl v2 or newer is what I'd go with personally |
[21:30:54] | ** gbee preferred it when everything was simpler and it wasn't necessary to think about lawyers, liability etc ** | |
[21:31:06] | ** Beirdo considers a license that isn't channel friendly ** | |
[21:31:07] | wagnerrp: | as far as im concerned, anyone can swipe it and do whatever they want with it |
[21:31:16] | gbee: | Beirdo: :p |
[21:31:18] | xris: | wagnerrp: yeah. lgpl is better for bindings and such. |
[21:31:23] | Beirdo: | WTFPL |
[21:31:42] | xris: | forces the bindings themselves to stay open, and gpl compatible, but allows people to write non-open apps that use them |
[21:31:48] | Beirdo: | and if you don't know what it stands for, go look it up, that's all I'll say, other than it's GPL-compatible |
[21:31:50] | wagnerrp: | sounds good to me |
[21:31:56] | xris: | which in our case means closed-source vendors can write things that interact with mythtv |
[21:31:57] | gbee: | I suspect that anything which isn't explicitly licensed it covered by the main license in mythtv/LICENSE |
[21:33:07] | gbee: | xris: so a Tivo can interact with MythTV, but MythTV can't interact with the Tivo :) |
[21:33:08] | ekristen: | anyone anyone? ;) |
[21:33:35] | gbee: | ekristen: which version? |
[21:33:45] | ekristen: | 0.23 |
[21:33:54] | wagnerrp: | is your backend running? |
[21:33:58] | ekristen: | indeed |
[21:34:50] | gbee: | ekristen: mythfrontend --version |
[21:34:51] | ekristen: | even if I login as the mythtv user and run mythfilldatabase in the foreground I still get that error |
[21:35:11] | ekristen: | 24879 |
[21:35:27] | ekristen: | I am running this on ubuntu (but not mythbuntu, long story there) |
[21:35:46] | gbee: | might be the socket leak issue which was fixed a couple of weeks ago |
[21:35:51] | jheizer: | all this talk has me as lost as ever |
[21:35:55] | xris: | gbee: but you could write a middle-layer app to make that happen |
[21:36:33] | jheizer: | so in that instance, what license would the middle layer have to be? |
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[21:38:19] | ekristen: | any type of official updates been released yet? |
[21:38:24] | gbee: | xris: sure, I just don't like to give closed-source companies any advantage (they already have lots, such as a paid workforce), but that's a personal opinion and not something I'll try to force on anyone |
[21:38:29] | iamlindoro: | ekristen: updates to...? |
[21:38:42] | gbee: | ekristen: almost daily |
[21:38:43] | iamlindoro: | ekristen: -fixes branches are updated constantly |
[21:38:50] | ekristen: | understood |
[21:39:48] | ekristen: | sweet, looks like there are some ubuntu updates for mythtv, I'll give it a shot and see if that resolves my rescheduling issues |
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[21:40:25] | wagnerrp: | apparently apple hates lefties |
[21:40:41] | ekristen: | wagnerrp: lol |
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[21:40:49] | Beirdo: | heh. yummy apples |
[21:40:59] | ekristen: | I have the iphone4, I can't replicate that "issue" |
[21:41:25] | wagnerrp: | obviously your skin doesnt sufficiently conduct electricity |
[21:41:38] | ekristen: | apparently |
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[21:41:49] | wagnerrp: | you need to stop washing your hands ever five minutes and let some of that grease build back up... :) |
[21:41:51] | gbee: | occassionally I think open source contributors can be a little too generous, I'm not entirely benevolent, I may not be paid in monetary terms but I expect payment in kind (code) and that's what the GPL provides |
[21:44:14] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: it's more likely righties that get screwed, actually |
[21:44:39] | Beirdo: | it's when you hold it in your left hand, which is common for righties as we want to be able to write... |
[21:44:52] | johnnyj: | suddenly today my iphone 3gs is refusing to hold a battery charge |
[21:45:10] | johnnyj: | it's been plugged in all day and when I unplug it it jumps to %50 |
[21:45:24] | bjd: | best upgrade then ;) |
[21:45:35] | johnnyj: | tell me there's a wiki page on this |
[21:45:36] | Beirdo: | use it to skip across the ocean |
[21:45:48] | gbee: | johnnyj: one day past warrenty? No coincidence that they've just launched the new product you know :) |
[21:45:54] | gbee: | sp. warranty |
[21:47:04] | ** Beirdo wonders if he shouldn't upgrade his 3G to iOS 4 ** | |
[21:47:42] | johnnyj: | Beirdo: im considering that for a possible fix |
[21:47:51] | johnnyj: | ugh – i gotta head out early |
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[21:48:09] | gbee: | just stick in a new battery |
[21:48:15] | gbee: | oh, wait ... |
[21:48:32] | jheizer: | haha |
[21:48:51] | jheizer: | about to go android here |
[21:49:01] | jheizer: | ready to get rid of this ancient WM phone |
[21:49:20] | ** xris still needs to spend some time getting mythweb's remote controller working properly in android ** | |
[21:53:14] | jheizer: | excited to finally get something new |
[21:53:24] | jheizer: | crappy part is I have a really cheap plan now |
[21:53:35] | jheizer: | but at least the wife will get web and stuff now too |
[21:56:37] | ** xris loves his free nexus1 ** | |
[21:57:07] | jheizer: | free would be nice |
[21:57:31] | jheizer: | and I am on stupid sprint so little choices, although still cheaper plans than others for the 2 of us |
[21:57:36] | jheizer: | time to rock and Evo |
[21:58:14] | Beirdo: | OK, Mr. Roboto must die too |
[21:58:21] | Beirdo: | stop skipping! |
[21:59:11] | ** Beirdo slaps mplayer ** | |
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[22:03:59] | gbee: | Beirdo: does mythmusic do any better with the files, or another player (software or hardware) for that matter? |
[22:04:34] | Beirdo: | not sure. the files are on my iPod, but it's currently charging |
[22:04:47] | Beirdo: | I'm playing em over USB from the iPod's filesystem |
[22:05:02] | Beirdo: | but I needed music for sanity |
[22:06:11] | Beirdo: | I gotta rerip so many of these |
[22:06:22] | Beirdo: | AC/DC sounds horrid in 112kbit/s MP3 |
[22:06:28] | Beirdo: | swishy swishy |
[22:07:47] | gbee: | I was pretty surprised to discover that I still have a lot of stuff in 128kbit/s CBR, going to spend some time re-ripping at the weekend |
[22:08:13] | Beirdo: | I'll find some time for it... one of these days |
[22:08:50] | Beirdo: | these cymbals sound like they are busted, it's that bad :) |
[22:09:01] | Beirdo: | how didn't I notice this when I ripped the CD? |
[22:09:13] | Beirdo: | maybe because it was 1994 or so? :) |
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[22:09:55] | Beirdo: | Ozzy Osbourne & Dweezil Zappa – Stayin' Alive. |
[22:10:01] | Beirdo: | now that's a keeper :) |
[22:10:06] | gbee: | heh |
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[22:12:05] | Beirdo: | best rendition of that song I've heard, BTW :) |
[22:12:46] | Beirdo: | All aboard the Disco train! |
[22:12:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
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[22:14:25] | Beirdo: | hah, by pure dumb luck, the next song is the original. |
[22:14:29] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
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[22:30:40] | highzeth: | ugh, cleaning tags & re-ripping a music collection is no fun |
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[22:33:02] | Beirdo: | highzeth: I know, and I get to go through it again soon |
[22:33:27] | highzeth: | Im just so glad I had enough foresight to encode my LP's to 256kbps |
[22:33:39] | gbee: | my tags are generally in pretty good shape, and re-ripping will fix the really old stuff which is missing stuff like year, if I pull my finger out I might even patch mythmusic to write albumart to tags at the weekend making the tags complete from the beginning |
[22:33:42] | Beirdo: | I plan in ripping every CD I have to FLAC |
[22:33:43] | highzeth: | that job I do not wanna do again |
[22:33:54] | Beirdo: | I have tendency to scratch CDs over time :) |
[22:34:28] | highzeth: | yeah, I buy cd, rip and file in the cellar. =) |
[22:34:35] | justinh: | muhahaha I love Ableton live |
[22:34:58] | highzeth: | last years Ive bought most of it online(no drm), its good enough for most of it |
[22:35:07] | jams: | heh i bought that 200 disc dvd changer for the sole purpose of ripping the CD collection |
[22:35:19] | jams: | do not want to redo that again |
[22:35:31] | justinh: | there's a cool python script been doing the rounds to remix music programatically – one to make ordinary 4/4 'swing'. I've done it in Ableton :) |
[22:35:40] | justinh: | jams: been there, tagged that |
[22:35:55] | justinh: | backed it up, uploaded it to s3 |
[22:36:06] | justinh: | and backed it up, took the HDD to my parents' house |
[22:36:17] | gbee: | my CDs only come out of their cases to be ripped, so hopefully they'll stay scratch free, I'm not quite ready to rip to flac yet, there are better things to do with the diskspace and I can't tell the difference between V0 mp3s and the original CDs anyway |
[22:36:37] | justinh: | gbee: bitrot will get to em before scratches will :) |
[22:37:04] | jams: | keep telling the wife to rip all the new cd's she buys but her response is "we don't need it all online, I will rip what I need" |
[22:37:05] | Beirdo: | gbee: you may have a good point there... but disk is cheap |
[22:37:07] | justinh: | gbee: I only rip to flac cos I do untold nasty things to the audio sometimes, so I can do without generational losses |
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[22:37:31] | highzeth: | gbee I agree, as long as I have the cd's I stick to V2 mp3, most of my listening is on-the-go, and there Q is of less importance |
[22:38:56] | justinh: | that's the only advantage to lossless encoding for me. no generational loss |
[22:39:05] | highzeth: | The combo of Ampache & Lullaby(android) is reaaally nice when away from home. |
[22:39:19] | justinh: | encode, decode, re-encode, decode & re-encode mp3 a few times and.. ugh |
[22:39:22] | Beirdo: | justinh: AND... future codecs may give better output, etc |
[22:39:43] | justinh: | in the future there will be robots |
[22:39:52] | justinh: | and we'll live on the moon and eat pills for food |
[22:40:02] | justinh: | and all teevees will be free! |
[22:40:07] | justinh: | on the internets! |
[22:40:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[22:41:02] | gbee: | justinh: well I don't have to deal with that, if I was editing the files then sure I'd work with lossless and in fact that's exactly what I did when ripping, cleaning up and splitting some LPs last year |
[22:41:22] | justinh: | and we won't ever have to deinterlace anything again :-O |
[22:41:29] | gbee: | but although I kept the FLAC copies around, the end product was still mp3 |
[22:42:47] | Beirdo: | I need more Cheap Trick |
[22:43:00] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna have to find a "used CD" store here in Seattle |
[22:43:02] | gbee: | might venture to ogg now that I have a portable player that supports them, although the tagging with ogg leaves a lot to be desired |
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[22:43:27] | Beirdo: | my primary playback device remains Apple-made, so... |
[22:44:16] | highzeth: | concur, I'll stick to mp3, since our collection is used by entire family. Its the only codec they all handle. |
[22:44:34] | Beirdo: | I don't mind "wasting" space for FLAC though |
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[22:44:59] | Beirdo: | but the version I listen to most will always be MP3 for the forseeable future anyways |
[22:45:16] | Beirdo: | Ooooh... Metallica – The Four Horsemen |
[22:45:21] | gbee: | I have to concede that ID3 tags still outshine any other metadata formats, maybe not technically but the foresight to create a very complete set of predefined tags as part of the standard is something sorely missing from everything else |
[22:45:36] | Beirdo: | THAT CD has holes in the internal metal layer |
[22:47:18] | highzeth: | I lost my interest in Metallica after And Justice for All, the mastering of that LP, ugh, got any bass? |
[22:48:10] | justinh: | ahh groove jamming. we will not miss you at all |
[22:48:51] | Beirdo: | Four Horsemen is oooold though, no? |
[22:48:59] | highzeth: | si |
[22:49:08] | Beirdo: | I miss my old Metallica CDs. |
[22:49:19] | highzeth: | first album afaik |
[22:49:21] | Beirdo: | one's borked, a "friend" never returned others |
[22:49:28] | highzeth: | *on first |
[22:49:31] | Beirdo: | sounds about right |
[22:49:46] | Beirdo: | it has obvious Mustaine-inspired/written feel to it |
[22:49:52] | highzeth: | you can hear it in Hetfields screams, almost like he didnt hit puperty yet hehe |
[22:50:04] | Beirdo: | I'm more a Megadeth fan anyways :) |
[22:50:40] | highzeth: | notn wrong with Mustaine, bit of a drama queen perhaps, but I cant hold that against him |
[22:50:59] | Beirdo: | I like his style, personally |
[22:51:46] | Beirdo: | sure enough |
[22:52:04] | Beirdo: | The Four Horsemen... written by Hetfield, Ulrich, Mustaine |
[22:52:05] | Beirdo: | :) |
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[22:52:09] | Beirdo: | thought so |
[22:52:21] | highzeth: | I have a lil gem of theirs, Anarchy in the UK single, late 80's I think |
[22:52:36] | highzeth: | Devil's Island on the B-side |
[22:52:46] | Beirdo: | I'll be seeing Mustaine in concert again in a few months |
[22:52:56] | Beirdo: | September... |
[22:53:06] | highzeth: | =) |
[22:53:09] | Beirdo: | Megadeth/Slayer/Testament |
[22:53:17] | gbee: | I lost count of the number of borrowed cds which I never saw again, just the other day I pulled all my CDs out in a futile search for something I knew I'd bought but which was no longer there |
[22:53:21] | Beirdo: | a true ear-plug night if I wanna be able to hear again |
[22:54:00] | Beirdo: | saw Megadeth in a venue in Toronto in 2005/2006 (don't recall precise date) shortly before moving to PR |
[22:54:48] | highzeth: | gbee I have the same problem with dvd's. Think half of my Hitchcock collection is still on the loose |
[22:55:14] | gbee: | not all bad, learnt the other week that the album had been bought back from the label and was being re-issued by the band so at least when I buy it again they'll get more money from it |
[22:55:54] | gbee: | I just have to wait until September :) |
[22:56:01] | highzeth: | aye, same thing when I finally stopped buying LP's, bought the worthy once on CD |
[22:56:56] | highzeth: | still lots of them that never got issued on CD, so spent many months sampling over those not avail |
[22:56:59] | Beirdo: | Jump around! |
[22:57:16] | Beirdo: | hehe, haven't listened to this for a while |
[22:57:32] | highzeth: | I was about to say ice-t |
[22:57:33] | Beirdo: | rips me right back to 1992 |
[22:57:40] | Beirdo: | House of Pain |
[22:58:06] | Beirdo: | first year university music for me |
[22:58:11] | highzeth: | riight, hmm Im thinking of that soundtrack both of them where involved with. Amazing album. errr title crash |
[22:59:24] | highzeth: | Judgment Night |
[22:59:38] | highzeth: | slayer, pearl jam, house of pain++ |
[23:00:02] | Beirdo: | wonder if I can manage to find a Pearl Jam concert. |
[23:00:10] | highzeth: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_Night_(soundtrack) |
[23:00:11] | Beirdo: | I'm only living in Seattle now... |
[23:04:33] | Beirdo: | speaking of which. Jeremy... now playing :) |
[23:05:30] | highzeth: | great song |
[23:05:39] | Beirdo: | yup |
[23:06:03] | Beirdo: | bah, I have the live censored version >-| |
[23:06:44] | highzeth: | listening to old Neil Young here, Harvest. |
[23:06:52] | Beirdo: | a related artist :) |
[23:07:23] | Beirdo: | or at least associated |
[23:07:24] | highzeth: | WDR(german fta) airing a Rock am Ring concert with him on monday. Really looking forward to that |
[23:07:35] | Beirdo: | cool |
[23:07:59] | Beirdo: | too bad i can't capture it |
[23:08:00] | highzeth: | more recent(-02), but still cool for sure =) |
[23:08:22] | Beirdo: | I'll live though |
[23:08:25] | highzeth: | wrong side of the pond my good man hehe |
[23:08:33] | Beirdo: | yup |
[23:08:40] | Beirdo: | not a chance I'll receive it here |
[23:08:52] | Beirdo: | wrong side of that pond, and by the other pond |
[23:09:01] | highzeth: | idd |
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[23:50:25] | Beirdo: | there we go. Megadeth – The System Has Failed... This should do fine. |
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