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| [00:00:31] | achew22: | that would be in mythvideo, right? |
| [00:01:12] | wagnerrp: | that particular solution, i believe would be entirely in mythvideo |
| [00:02:24] | achew22: | do you know if you can play back unencryped bluray file structures over video groups? |
| [00:03:06] | wagnerrp: | the mythvideo page says no |
| [00:03:17] | achew22: | do you think it is the same problem? |
| [00:03:45] | sphery: | it is |
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| [00:09:02] | achew22: | this could be a double wammy solution then |
| [00:11:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you remember what Grey Foxx's NBD code did? |
| [00:11:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, that only worked because he was dealing with a physical DVD player |
| [00:11:53] | wagnerrp: | so he was basically just cloning the device node on the remote machine |
| [00:15:05] | wagnerrp: | you could rig up something quick and dirty with a modified loopback device |
| [00:15:18] | wagnerrp: | but something that required a custom kernel module would never be accepted into the repository |
| [00:16:20] | sphery: | right |
| [00:16:53] | sphery: | and the Fuse system was similarly clunky--required low-level system configuration changes to enable it. |
| [00:17:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [00:17:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro's approach is the best so far, but needs finishing (which may require some effort by some video/player experts) |
| [00:17:43] | sphery: | that meaning, specifically, MythTV video/player |
| [00:17:52] | wagnerrp: | achew22: ^^^ was the third approach i mentioned |
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| [00:18:24] | wagnerrp: | a specialized file transfer mode off the backend |
| [00:21:16] | yudi1: | I am following this guide to set up on ubuntu 10.04, but when I run mythtv backend setup I am not getting the "directory to hold recordings" option? I want all my recordings on external harddrive, how can I achieve this? |
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| [00:22:03] | wagnerrp: | yudi1: in mythtv-setup, storage groups, set the folder you want to record to in the 'Default' group |
| [00:24:45] | yudi1: | wagnerrp: can it be on a ntfs partition? or do I need one of the recommended XFS or JFS for this partition? I am setting up both backend and frontend on a laptop. so when I am home I can watch telly. My laptop internal drive is small, I do not want to fill it up. |
| [00:25:27] | wagnerrp: | if this is a permanent drive on that machine, it is recommended to use a linux-native file system |
| [00:26:44] | yudi1: | so u reckon xfs or jfs partition on external drive will be enough |
| [00:27:14] | wagnerrp: | assuming its not USB 1.1, should work fine |
| [00:27:25] | yudi1: | it runs on esata |
| [00:27:39] | wagnerrp: | laptop has an esata port? |
| [00:29:30] | yudi1: | usein a express card, I had this setup on vista Media center, worked like a charm. kept all the recordings on the external drive and even the temp buffer. I want to get the similar setup. |
| [00:29:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no disk buffer |
| [00:30:31] | yudi1: | so everythin is recorded? that will chew up my drive very quickly! |
| [00:30:40] | wagnerrp: | how big is the drive? |
| [00:30:47] | yudi1: | 1tb |
| [00:30:54] | wagnerrp: | what are you recording? |
| [00:31:22] | yudi1: | telly shows, movies of the free to air tv |
| [00:31:48] | wagnerrp: | i mean... analog? digital? |
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| [00:32:07] | yudi1: | digital – 2 tuners over usb |
| [00:32:24] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners... expect 150–200hrs of recordings on a 1TB drive |
| [00:32:50] | wagnerrp: | thats for HD, SD content will be much smaller than that |
| [00:34:29] | oneman: | If anyone is interested in helping alpha test the ability to control FiOS TV HD STB's over an IP network, please come to #fiostv, basic network, shell and package manager skills required. Time investment probably 3+ hours |
| [00:35:14] | yudi1: | I know, most of the shows I record, watch and delete, I have other data on the external drive, I am just tryin to figure out the best option here. |
| [00:36:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will auto-expire old recordings if you run out of room |
| [00:36:28] | wagnerrp: | and livetv expires within 24 hours, or when you run out of room, which ever is sooner |
| [00:37:45] | yudi1: | i am thinkin 500Gb of either xfs or Jfs on external drive and move /var/lib/mythtv/recordings to that partition. 24hrs expiry is good. thats fine. Do you think it will work |
| [00:37:50] | sphery: | oneman: oops, now I see it here :) |
| [00:38:06] | sphery: | #mythbuntu may be interested, too |
| [00:38:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why it wouldnt, ive only got ~900GB for recordings, and ive never run close to exceeding it |
| [00:38:47] | oneman: | k |
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| [00:45:13] | t0mless: | I have a tv tuner card in my computer I got from a friend that is identified by windows 7 as ViXS PureTV-U 4899 (NTSC/ATSC Combo) and I'm curious how I should go about connecting it to my comcast cable to get mythtv to work. |
| [00:45:31] | yudi1: | I almost killed 1Tb in one weekend – sports, movies etc. 1Tb is not much for HDTV. I was using nouveau driver for my nvidia GPU but I read Robert Kulagowski @ mythtv installation guide that Playback of HDTV using VDPAU is recommended so I installed the restricted driver, now my lappy and external screen act funny, any window in my laptop screen extends in to external screen!! |
| [00:45:54] | t0mless: | We recently had to get this little cable box for our TV because of changes comcast has made to their cable feed |
| [00:46:19] | t0mless: | so I'm curious if I should go from the wall to my comp or from out of that box to the comp |
| [00:46:20] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is only needed if your CPU is otherwise incapable of playing the content |
| [00:47:17] | wagnerrp: | you would need three digital tuners running non stop all weekend to fill up a 1TB drive |
| [00:47:36] | wagnerrp: | is that even supported? |
| [00:47:39] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [00:47:39] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [00:48:31] | wagnerrp: | im guessing no |
| [00:49:05] | wagnerrp: | anyway... t0mless: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
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| [00:50:42] | nichos: | hi all, im having problems with my hvr-2250. I just did a clean install ofubuntu, the firmware is loading (according to dmesg) but i can't change the dvb device number in myth |
| [00:50:43] | yudi1: | its only a C2D 1.8Ghz, mine has 2 tuners, vista supports 2 without any issues. I recorded a game for 3hrs and that went over 25 or 30GB. |
| [00:52:29] | t0mless: | so the PureTV-U 4899 is not a QAM card I'm guessing |
| [00:52:35] | wagnerrp: | ah, an aussie |
| [00:52:52] | wagnerrp: | those estimates were assuming ATSC, which physically cannot exceed around 8.7GB an hour |
| [00:53:00] | wagnerrp: | more likely 5–8GB/hr |
| [00:53:06] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T has a bit more headroom |
| [00:53:31] | wagnerrp: | and ive heard of bitrates in the mid-20s, which would be over 10GB/hr |
| [00:53:42] | wagnerrp: | t0mless: no, im saying its probably not supported under linux |
| [00:54:15] | t0mless: | What about windows? |
| [00:54:34] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know, mythtv cannot record on windows machines |
| [00:54:38] | wagnerrp: | so the question is moot |
| [00:54:47] | t0mless: | oh really, I didn't know it couldn't record |
| [00:54:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed for linux |
| [00:55:16] | wagnerrp: | and while it has been ported to some other operating systems, namely POSIX compliant ones like the BSDs or OSX |
| [00:55:25] | wagnerrp: | the windows port is very limited |
| [00:55:56] | t0mless: | hmm |
| [00:56:10] | wagnerrp: | if youre not going to run linux, you should look elsewhere |
| [00:56:37] | t0mless: | I used to dual boot but I stopped when I upgraded to win 7 |
| [00:56:39] | wagnerrp: | yudi1: a 1.8GHz C2D would have absolutely no problem on any mpeg2 content |
| [00:56:44] | t0mless: | since I hardly booted to linux |
| [00:56:51] | wagnerrp: | you may need to use VDPAU for some H264 content |
| [00:57:09] | wagnerrp: | if youre not going to dedicate hardware for mythtv, you should look elsewhere |
| [00:58:45] | yudi1: | yep an aussie, back to getting this prog runnin. First I installed mythtv and all its dependencies, clicked next, to all pop ups and did not record the password for SQL database. How can I get this? |
| [00:59:02] | yudi1: | what do you mean by dedicate hardware? |
| [00:59:44] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to just sit there in the backend, and record programs according to the schedule |
| [00:59:54] | wagnerrp: | it expects that the hardware is its to do with as it pleases |
| [01:00:20] | wagnerrp: | and that its not going to have to contend with the user shutting it down manually, or booting into other operating systems, or using tuners outside of mythtv or.... |
| [01:00:40] | t0mless: | what if I were to just run the backend in a VMWare box? |
| [01:01:00] | t0mless: | then use XBMC or something to play it? |
| [01:01:18] | wagnerrp: | that would only work for something like the HDHR, which myth connects to directly over the LAN |
| [01:01:52] | t0mless: | hmm |
| [01:01:54] | t0mless: | interesting |
| [01:02:01] | t0mless: | thanks for the info wagnerrp |
| [01:02:09] | wagnerrp: | not that im recommending ever running the backend in a virtual machine |
| [01:02:19] | yudi1: | oh, what will happen if it does not see the tuner or the recording directory? Vista used to just keep quiet, I want the same functionality. I looked for other alternatives, nothing interesting actually |
| [01:02:43] | clever: | the 'telnet' control protocol here has frozen up here, 'nc olddell 6546' just go nowhere |
| [01:02:58] | wagnerrp: | if mythbackend does not see a recording directory, it will ignore it and move onto the next |
| [01:03:09] | clever: | it usualy gives a small help message when i connect |
| [01:03:09] | wagnerrp: | if it cannot see any recording directories, it will record nothing |
| [01:04:25] | yudi1: | thats what I want. as long as it keeps quiet when I am away and starts working when I plug in all the cables I am happy. |
| [01:05:02] | wagnerrp: | it should handle recording directories on hotswappable media without skipping a beat |
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| [01:05:26] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know how it would handle hotswappable tuners |
| [01:05:46] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you have it set to only open that device when it needs to record |
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| [01:06:10] | wagnerrp: | but it will still complain in the logs when you start it |
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| [01:07:29] | yudi1: | we can try that now. I finished the backend, set up the front end and test it |
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| [01:08:49] | yudi1: | thats a simple delete isn't it? |
| [01:09:09] | clever: | wagnerrp: any idea why mythfrontend would suddenly up and ignore all UI input durring playback? |
| [01:09:09] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [01:10:07] | yudi1: | I mean the logs can be ignored. right? |
| [01:10:14] | wagnerrp: | clever: all UI and socket control? sounds like a deadlock |
| [01:10:28] | wagnerrp: | yudi1: yes, the logs can be ignored if youre not having any problems |
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| [01:10:43] | wagnerrp: | they only exist to check for what would be causing it when you do have problems |
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| [01:11:19] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, all keyboard and telnet control is frozen |
| [01:11:27] | clever: | wagnerrp: but playback is continuing as normal |
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| [01:13:30] | sphery: | skd5aner: Good point... Maybe we should make MythTV so it doesn't work. ;) |
| [01:14:01] | yudi1: | tv is runnin. |
| [01:14:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: (Actually, though, I agree with your point--that those who just want a DVR that works are likely better served by cable-/satellite-co-provided DVRs) |
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| [01:15:25] | skd5aner: | sphery: sorry, probably better suited for this room |
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| [01:16:42] | skd5aner: | yea – I have to say, that while I understand all the drive towards simplification – anyone who's willing to run a DVR on linux is almost by definition a power user? I'm not sure how plug-and-play your audience really would expect it to be? |
| [01:16:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: i checked with xev, and its not a focus issue with the window manager, it is getting the keys |
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| [01:19:15] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, and I think we will get the "extremely powerful, and usable, and cool, extensible, constantly evolving, and different"--but we're just going to get it with a lot less pain involved :) |
| [01:19:30] | skd5aner: | eh – I've decided to not go further down that path, I've got some opinions but I'll keep them to myself |
| [01:20:16] | sphery: | anyway, the embedded mysql helps devs at least as much (possibly far more) than it helps new users |
| [01:20:40] | skd5aner: | oh sure, I agree... sounds like a good move! |
| [01:20:40] | sphery: | so, regardless of the rest, I really think we need to go there |
| [01:20:59] | sphery: | and, a true power user can get the data using SQL if they like |
| [01:21:04] | skd5aner: | sorry, that's what I get for going down a tangent without even scrolling up to read more than a few lines of hte conversation :) |
| [01:21:24] | skd5aner: | no argument, I like the idea of embedded sql |
| [01:21:37] | sphery: | Yeah, I realize you're not arguing--I was just making a joke to start with |
| [01:21:59] | skd5aner: | hehe, I just know some people are a bit touchy on the subject |
| [01:22:13] | skd5aner: | and my opinion is worth... well, "a hill of beans" as my grandpa used to say |
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| [01:22:53] | sphery: | well, I may have been a bit too touchy in my e-mail reply, but I definitely didn't see anything you said as controversial |
| [01:22:53] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: well i guess youll just have to use the python bindings for your manual manipulations in the future... ;) |
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| [01:23:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah--that's one of the non-SQL options users will have |
| [01:23:36] | skd5aner: | sphery: didn't even read any of the emails, so everything I'm talking about is completely out of context, hehe |
| [01:24:13] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: it's pretty cool that is an option, truth be told |
| [01:24:38] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I'm pretty confident that is NOT an option with TWC's DVR option ;) |
| [01:24:44] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i do use them for much of my tinkering these days |
| [01:24:47] | sphery: | "Surely I can't be the only one who uses phpmyadmin for all sorts of data management in mythtv — from managing channel lineup table changes, to changing metadata by hand, etc. I really appreciate the ability to access the mythconverg database via sql." |
| [01:25:01] | sphery: | Obviously one of those SQL experts I mentioned in my e-mail |
| [01:25:12] | wagnerrp: | manipulating a couple of objects is a lot easier than hand writing sql searches and updates |
| [01:25:13] | skd5aner: | "Excuse me, Time Warner Cable Customer Service? Yes, I'd like to know how I can leverage your python bindings to access details about my recordings? |
| [01:25:14] | skd5aner: | " |
| [01:25:26] | sphery: | one who completely groks SQL and, therefore, can never break data in the DB even though he has no clue about application data requirements |
| [01:26:03] | skd5aner: | alright, enough goofing around tonight for me, talk to you guys later |
| [01:26:05] | sphery: | and the fact that he's using phpmyadmin makes it even more clear that he's a true SQL guru |
| [01:26:33] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually installed phpmyadmin, i dont even know what exactly it does |
| [01:26:43] | clever: | one thing that should be done if you make a mysql 'shell' that taps into the embeded sql server, make it read-only by default |
| [01:26:52] | clever: | so you can query it all you want with no risk of breaking it |
| [01:32:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, sql kiddie level stuff, for me it's much faster to wrote UPDATE blah SET bleh WHERE blih = bloh; rather then click on the table, click on the set, click on bleh click on where click on blih, etc |
| [01:33:24] | clever: | just like your going to have to modify the sql client libs in mythfrontend to go thru the master backend, you could make a myth_mysql that acts like the normal mysql cli app |
| [01:34:42] | wagnerrp: | i suggested something like that a couple months back as a quick way to make the transition, so you could then go back through and start adding custom calls into mythproto at leisure |
| [01:35:43] | clever: | id think devs would also NEED myth_mysql to test schema updates manualy so they dont have to edit, compile, run&test, restore DB, repeat |
| [01:36:40] | sphery: | test? |
| [01:37:01] | kormoc: | sphery, return 0 |
| [01:37:14] | sphery: | oh, that... How do you do that without compiling? |
| [01:37:31] | wagnerrp: | aggggh |
| [01:37:38] | wagnerrp: | still getting HDHR recording issues |
| [01:37:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the same ones from before? |
| [01:37:56] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [01:37:59] | clever: | edit the schema manualy with myth_mysql and then just work on making it actualy use that schema, so you dont have to recompile (and bump the schema version) 5 times for each minor change |
| [01:38:00] | kormoc: | poke 0x0013 0x0001 |
| [01:39:33] | yudi1: | how do I start the master backend manually? |
| [01:39:57] | kormoc: | mythbackend? |
| [01:40:01] | wagnerrp: | aggggh |
| [01:40:04] | yudi1: | yes |
| [01:40:10] | wagnerrp: | im still running 24014 on my backend |
| [01:40:12] | kormoc: | you run mythbackend |
| [01:40:16] | wagnerrp: | how did that happen? |
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| [01:41:18] | yudi1: | is that the mythbackend setup? |
| [01:41:23] | kormoc: | no |
| [01:42:52] | yudi1: | sorry I am not getting you? when I run the frintend it says it cannot connect ot the backend server, is it runnin? |
| [01:43:00] | yudi1: | frontend |
| [01:43:10] | kormoc: | Yes, mythbackend is the backend but it's not the setup |
| [01:43:55] | kormoc: | yudi1, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
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| [01:45:27] | wagnerrp: | guess im going to be updating my boxes tonight |
| [01:45:47] | yudi1: | I understand that, but the server is not running, how do I restart it? |
| [01:46:23] | kormoc: | that depends on your distro |
| [01:46:34] | yudi1: | ubuntu 10.04 |
| [01:48:51] | Rebecca: | hey again peoples :) |
| [01:52:59] | kormoc: | yudi1, likely something like /etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
| [01:53:30] | yudi1: | found it |
| [01:53:57] | yudi1: | sudo restart mythtv-backend |
| [01:54:07] | yudi1: | thank you |
| [01:54:23] | yudi1: | but I am still getting the error |
| [01:54:41] | yudi1: | unable to connect to backend server |
| [01:55:04] | yudi1: | any suggestions. |
| [01:56:55] | kormoc: | run the setup program, setup up the backend and restart the backend? |
| [01:57:07] | kormoc: | aka, follow the documentation |
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| [01:58:11] | Rebecca: | so, i have my frontend box and it's time for me to build a backend.. i might as well start with the capture devices. i want the capability to capture at least 3 DVB-T streams simultaneously. |
| [01:58:54] | Rebecca: | im just a bit daunted with the capture hardware wiki. so many choices! |
| [01:59:44] | Rebecca: | any suggestions for a cheap solution? im in a high signal area |
| [02:01:10] | yudi1: | run the setup program, setup up the backend and restart the backend? |
| [02:01:12] | yudi1: | aka, follow the documentation |
| [02:01:21] | yudi1: | does not work mate? any other suggestions |
| [02:02:38] | kormoc: | Sure does if things are setup properly |
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| [02:03:45] | wagnerrp: | Rebecca: youre a bit late/early for the bulk of the DVB users |
| [02:04:09] | wagnerrp: | theres a handful of australian regulars around here, but most of the DVB users are currently sleeping in europe |
| [02:06:29] | k-man: | Rebecca: imho, get HDHomeruns, they are rock solid |
| [02:07:15] | k-man: | Rebecca: and have 2 tuners which you can do the virtual tuner thing with. i rarely find I need more than the 2 tuners, but then again i pretty much only record SBS and ABC |
| [02:07:36] | k-man: | Rebecca: which country are you in? |
| [02:07:42] | wagnerrp: | australia |
| [02:08:25] | k-man: | Rebecca: the HDHR is not cheap in upfront cost, but the long term total cost of ownership is lower imho, and it just works, for ever |
| [02:08:42] | k-man: | well.. .ever might be a bit long... but a lot longer than the PCI and usb tuners i have had in the past |
| [02:08:56] | wagnerrp: | (had to ask that when she asked.. most people are asking for ATSC advice this time of night) |
| [02:09:03] | wagnerrp: | s/ask/check/ |
| [02:09:24] | sphery: | So, the Windows 7 commercials where they have a normal person describe how they thought up Windows 7 and they show their memory of the event and substitute a beautiful person for themselves were funny--until they started using beautiful people to say they thought of Windows 7 and they still replace them in the memory with other beautiful people |
| [02:09:38] | sphery: | ^^ might be slightly off topic |
| [02:10:00] | wagnerrp: | clearly you arent getting the hint that windows 7 makes you a beautiful person |
| [02:10:12] | wagnerrp: | only ugly people use macs |
| [02:10:38] | sphery: | oh, so now that everyone has upgraded to Win7, they've been using it long enough that they're already beautified... I see. |
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| [02:11:19] | wagnerrp: | its given me chiseled facial features, and enlarged... other things |
| [02:12:04] | sphery: | you sure that wasn't from responding to the e-mails you got? |
| [02:12:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looks like youve got some competition |
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| [02:19:55] | Rebecca: | thanks guys :D |
| [02:23:17] | Rebecca: | wow, those HDHomeRuns arn't cheap. (and yeah, k-man did mention that). what advantage does it have over the USB HDTV turners i have heard some people use? |
| [02:23:41] | sphery: | it's not USB :) |
| [02:23:59] | k-man: | Rebecca: i can only speak from my experience. with usb tuners, if there is any problem with the usb subsystem, you have to reboot to fix it |
| [02:24:01] | kormoc: | they're duel tuner |
| [02:24:15] | k-man: | that often happened to me with my previous usb tuner |
| [02:24:27] | Rebecca: | k-man: ahhhh, ok |
| [02:24:33] | achew22: | Rebecca: They are network addressable. They ALWAYS work. I've never had to reboot mine. |
| [02:24:34] | sphery: | dueling tuners... Ba da da dat dat dat da da... |
| [02:24:43] | Rebecca: | sphery: lol |
| [02:25:09] | k-man: | Rebecca: also i think the receiver is very good, i used to have lots of issues receiving good signal on all channels with the usb tuner and my PCI cards, it caused me constant headaches. don't have that problem with the HDHR either |
| [02:25:15] | sphery: | I agree with k-man, though--I dislike USB tuners for reliability's sake |
| [02:25:28] | k-man: | i agree with sphery |
| [02:25:32] | sphery: | that said, I've never used a USB tuner--though I have used USB other stuff |
| [02:25:45] | ** Rebecca nods ** | |
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| [02:25:58] | k-man: | Rebecca: my experience with usb and pci tuners – constant problems with failed recordings due to poor reception and usb subsystem lockups |
| [02:26:17] | k-man: | Rebecca: my experience with hdhr, sit back and watch tv with my better half in peace and harmony |
| [02:26:58] | achew22: | thats not fair k-man, I had a bunch of PVR-{1,2}50's back in the day and they were so awesome. |
| [02:26:59] | k-man: | i must have also spent over $100 on parts like filters and amps trying to make the other tuners reliable |
| [02:27:43] | k-man: | achew22: i did qualify that that was my experience, i don't doubt other people have had good experiences with pci and with usb, but i have not, and i don't have the time to fiddle around and hope either |
| [02:28:07] | ** Rebecca nods ** | |
| [02:28:29] | k-man: | ok, i'm getting off my "i love hdhr" horse now |
| [02:28:56] | achew22: | The issue I have with my HDHR is that it is hard to enter the channels in the first place with cable (as opposed to OTA) |
| [02:28:58] | clever: | i often found my usb harddrive enclosure would never work if it was plugged in at bootup |
| [02:29:00] | k-man: | btw, i only have one hdhr, my friend loved it so much, he bought a second one |
| [02:29:00] | clever: | id have to hard-reset it after booting before linux saw it |
| [02:29:19] | k-man: | achew22: ah, i don't do cable so i have not had that problem |
| [02:29:27] | achew22: | PITA |
| [02:29:43] | achew22: | but the scte65scan stuff makes it a lot better |
| [02:29:45] | k-man: | achew22: yeah, thats a bit sucky – why is that? |
| [02:30:16] | achew22: | you scan it one time then you go back through and enter the channels XMLTV id |
| [02:30:18] | wagnerrp: | scte65scan has nothing to do with the HDHR, nor is it at all useful in DVB countries |
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| [02:30:40] | achew22: | wagnerrp: I used scte65scan to scan for channels and enter them into my hdhr |
| [02:31:00] | wagnerrp: | but it has nothing to do with the HDHR, it just so happens to support the HDHR |
| [02:31:12] | achew22: | true but we were talking about what I didn't like about my hdhr |
| [02:31:13] | wagnerrp: | and not the HDHR they would be using |
| [02:31:34] | wagnerrp: | your complaint has nothing to do with the HDHR, but with digital cable in north america in general |
| [02:31:43] | k-man: | hehe |
| [02:31:59] | achew22: | Very true. Digital cable is kind of sucky |
| [02:33:23] | k-man: | i'm not sure you can use the hdhr to receive cable tv here, but i could be wrong |
| [02:33:33] | Rebecca: | hmmm... very interesting info.. i admit im still tempted to buy a few usb ones simply because they might work and are cheap cheap, hehe |
| [02:33:36] | wagnerrp: | no, your HDHR is DVB-T only |
| [02:33:45] | k-man: | Rebecca: are you planning to only receive FTA tv? or you want to receive cable also? |
| [02:33:54] | Rebecca: | k-man: just FTA |
| [02:34:20] | k-man: | cable in AU is crap imho, the offering is too expensive with too little content |
| [02:34:48] | achew22: | cable sucks in America. cable sucks in AU, cable sucks in the EU lets just agree that we all hate television |
| [02:34:51] | k-man: | and the only good channel, world movies, you haveto get all the other crap just to get that channel |
| [02:35:33] | k-man: | backing up my iphone is taking a bloody age |
| [02:42:11] | wagnerrp: | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment . . . original.jpg |
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| [02:50:20] | Beirdo: | down with TV |
| [02:50:46] | Beirdo: | but especially down with cablecos |
| [02:51:01] | k-man: | yes! |
| [02:51:25] | Beirdo: | OK, one more theme to go in my quest to get all the themes good with mythweather |
| [02:56:19] | Rebecca: | anyone know if something like this will work with mythtv: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TV-tuner-USB-HDTV-DVB- . . . em3a5b8683ff ? |
| [02:56:47] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [02:56:47] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [02:57:51] | Rebecca: | ahhhh, thanks wagnerrp |
| [02:58:43] | Beirdo: | Terra, here we come! |
| [02:59:10] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest staying away from generic tuners like that |
| [02:59:15] | wagnerrp: | you dont know what youre getting |
| [02:59:47] | Beirdo: | Urgh |
| [02:59:53] | Beirdo: | Terra is using the default |
| [03:00:13] | Beirdo: | and I extended the box at the bottom of the screen in the default to get it to fit... |
| [03:00:36] | Beirdo: | and now it's covering the flippin date bar at the bottom in Terra |
| [03:00:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:00:50] | Beirdo: | err, default-wide to be exact |
| [03:02:43] | Beirdo: | so I gotta move EVERYTHING up 20px |
| [03:02:43] | wagnerrp: | i had a backend image running 24572, i dont know why i wasnt using it |
| [03:02:45] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [03:03:55] | Beirdo: | dangit, not enough. 25 it is |
| [03:11:12] | rhollan: | Beirdo: that sucks to have to check each theme |
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| [03:13:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:13:40] | Beirdo: | s/check/fix/ |
| [03:13:43] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:14:25] | Beirdo: | mythweather's been the bastard child locked in the basement for far too long |
| [03:18:04] | rhollan: | perhaps, but it suggests there is not a proper separation between data and presentation. |
| [03:18:21] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [03:18:28] | rhollan: | Not that that's easy to achieve as a retrofit. |
| [03:18:44] | Beirdo: | it's more like the presentation never got finished |
| [03:18:56] | rhollan: | or if a data schema changes. Then yes, all themes have to cope. |
| [03:19:10] | Beirdo: | well, there's part of that |
| [03:19:34] | rhollan: | Hey, how well do you grok ALSA? |
| [03:19:39] | Beirdo: | but the other part is incomplete theming for the plugin as not many devs used it or cared |
| [03:19:45] | Beirdo: | I don't do alsa |
| [03:19:47] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:19:54] | Beirdo: | others here do |
| [03:20:23] | rhollan: | Bummer, I guess it's time to read more then. I want to send default output to TWO devices: HDMI, and USB-based |
| [03:20:40] | rhollan: | So, if I am playing a CD, I don't have to have the TV on. |
| [03:21:23] | k-man: | alsa might be able to do that somehow.... or maybe pulseaudio, but i found pulseaudio was too unstable for me |
| [03:21:51] | rhollan: | I figured alsa should be configurable enough. |
| [03:22:23] | k-man: | rhollan: i know you can configure it for two programs to output via the one device, not sure if it can go the other way though |
| [03:23:22] | rhollan: | Right now, I DON'T use the mythtv box to control anything but the cable tuner: TV and preamp volume are controlled from the remote. |
| [03:24:02] | rhollan: | Since the mythtv box is between the internal and external firewalls, I didn't want it to be possible for a hacker who breaches the firewall to turn on my speakers full blast at 3:00 AM. LOL |
| [03:24:45] | rhollan: | Also, if the mythtv box dies, the TV and preamp can get source directly from the cable box (though, clearly DVD and recording playback would be down). |
| [03:25:09] | rhollan: | Usually, I route through the mythtv box but it is nice to have backups. |
| [03:27:27] | Beirdo: | there. Mondo commit |
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| [03:36:05] | sphery: | So the NBA finals are the reason we didn't get to see the last few episodes of Better Off Ted. :( Stupid 7-game series. |
| [03:36:15] | wagnerrp: | there is more BOT? |
| [03:36:31] | sphery: | yeah, 2 episodes never aired, including the season finale |
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| [03:37:30] | wagnerrp: | was it ever official cancelled? |
| [03:38:33] | sphery: | Yeah, I think so. |
| [03:39:09] | sphery: | http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/better-off- . . . eason-three/ |
| [03:39:12] | toorima: | anyone here stream netflix on their linux box? |
| [03:39:14] | jamesd2: | sphery, they will of course put it on the dvd's to get you to buy them... since you have the rest allready recorded and otherwise have no reason to buy them. |
| [03:39:23] | wagnerrp: | toorima: impossible |
| [03:39:51] | sphery: | jamesd2: yeah, that got me to buy Defying Gravity. I might do the same for BoT, but I'd rather they just air them. |
| [03:40:09] | toorima: | so the only way is a vm with windows and playon then? |
| [03:40:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt have a UPNP client |
| [03:40:38] | sphery: | though if I wanted to keep them, I'd buy them on DVD--but I don't know that I really want to keep them (and re-live the agony of cancellation every time I pull out the DVDs) |
| [03:40:53] | jamesd2: | sphery, but they rather you spend $20 to buy instead of the 1 cent per person to show them on tv. |
| [03:41:18] | toorima: | wagnerrp: ok thx |
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| [03:50:43] | rhollan: | Ah! there's an ALSA copy plugin that copies from one PCM output to another. Looks like what I want. |
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| [04:12:15] | Beirdo: | ... another bug bites the dust... |
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| [04:29:57] | k-man: | Beirdo: what are you working on? |
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| [04:56:38] | Rebecca: | well, i found a place that sells USB DVB-T captures that should be compatible.. ill probably buy a couple and see how they go. they are so cheap that if they don't work then i havn't spent much.. and if they do i'll get a couple more |
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| [05:30:20] | k-man: | Rebecca: which ones are you getting? |
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| [05:43:22] | DarthFrog: | Hello folks. |
| [05:43:47] | DarthFrog: | Is anyone else having troubles with MythVideo? All I get is: sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution |
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| [05:58:56] | achew22: | Is there a way to super prioritize first showings of episodes over recurring things. i.e. new futurama gets a +99 and is recorded the 1st second it can be over the tonight show? |
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| [06:05:18] | sphery: | achew22: make a normal recording rule for Futurama that is "New episodes only" (or a custom/power recording rule that's First Showings only) and give it +99 priority |
| [06:05:30] | achew22: | Okay |
| [06:05:56] | sphery: | achew22: then do a search for Futurama and find an episode that's not matched by the other rule (i.e. a rerun) and set it up as a any time on any channel rule for the title, and give it -50 priority |
| [06:06:03] | sphery: | i.e. 2 recording rules--one for each priority |
| [06:06:17] | sphery: | achew22: or, if you want to get fancy, create a Power Priority rule |
| [06:06:26] | achew22: | power priority rule? |
| [06:06:40] | sphery: | achew22: where the Power Priority allows you to adjust the priority of a match of any existing recording rule |
| [06:06:50] | sphery: | so you could have First Showings match at +20 priority |
| [06:06:55] | achew22: | Ooh... how do you do that? |
| [06:06:59] | sphery: | (adds 20 to existing prio) |
| [06:07:12] | sphery: | I forgot where it is... |
| [06:07:22] | achew22: | teach me sensei |
| [06:07:43] | clever: | DarthFrog: sounds like a ` ' or " in the filename that is messing with things |
| [06:07:45] | sphery: | Try Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings then scroll "up" a couple times from the bottom and look for something like priorities |
| [06:08:04] | sphery: | that might be it... if not, it's somewhere under Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings |
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| [06:14:50] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [06:15:01] | Beirdo: | OK, now to go find me a contact for weather.com |
| [06:16:07] | k-man: | compleetly off topic but, i heard that this new 3D TV thing basically has to half the resolution of the video so they can effectively get 2 seperate images into the stream |
| [06:16:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:17:00] | k-man: | but i would have thought that there could be good compression between the two images because they are going to be very similar to each other... |
| [06:17:36] | k-man: | but maybe there is a reason they don't implement it that way? who knowS? |
| [06:21:07] | k-man: | i also heard that no manufacturers have really agreed on a way of transmitting these 3d images, so you might by a "3D" tv today and tomorrow they might all agree on a different standard and your TV won't be able to play them |
| [06:21:25] | k-man: | this info is all from the Tech Talk Radio podcast |
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| [06:23:12] | DarthFrog: | clever: Thanks for your reply. But it happens with all videos on the local mythfrontend. Remote mythfrontend plays the same videos fine. |
| [06:24:01] | DarthFrog: | I'm right now in the process of doing a system upgrade (karmic -> lucid) on the local machine to see if that solves the issue. |
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| [06:50:05] | Beirdo: | Who made the Blue Abstract theme and are they on IRC? |
| [06:56:59] | oobe: | I seen him on the mythtv-dev mailing list before talking about getting his theme added to the wiki |
| [06:57:06] | oobe: | so you could look him up that way |
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| [06:59:39] | oobe: | this is what i meant actually |
| [06:59:40] | oobe: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7145 |
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| [07:00:40] | Beirdo: | ahhh, thanks |
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| [09:02:27] | Dassu: | :) Woot apparently no need for Mplayer anymore in mythvideo as Internal supports external subtitles and h264 |
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| [09:04:57] | Dassu: | next gonna remove qt3 and more space for me :) |
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| [10:25:53] | justinh: | Dassu: good, cos external player support is going South soon anyway |
| [10:26:38] | justinh: | as for the space removing qt3 will free.. pfft. Maybe enough for a few minutes of video :P |
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| [11:08:14] | blizzard_: | Question, im getting alot of error messages like these: |
| [11:08:16] | blizzard_: | 2010-06–22 13:06:40.957 ERROR when trying to delete file: GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/snowball/5640_20100606170000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. |
| [11:08:35] | blizzard_: | at some time I was moving files around on my own before I discovered how stuff worked |
| [11:08:50] | blizzard_: | can I run some kind of cleanup script? ie "if datafile missing, clean metadata"? |
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| [11:33:41] | mzb: | is there a way of scheduling the backend to restart? |
| [11:33:53] | mzb: | (when it's not busy, for eg) |
| [11:34:14] | wagnerrp: | not through mythtv, no |
| [11:34:29] | wagnerrp: | you could specify a system event to trigger when it goes idle |
| [11:34:35] | mzb: | I've been naughty (again) ;) |
| [11:34:38] | wagnerrp: | that removes itself from the database |
| [11:35:00] | mzb: | just realised that I had some storage groups wrong ... so I .. um ... changed them in the db |
| [11:35:08] | ** mzb flogs himself raw ** | |
| [11:35:39] | mzb: | I can't run mythtv-setup because it would cause undue angst |
| [11:36:23] | mzb: | is it likely that the backend will eventually realise? :))) ... or should I do a proper restart and/or mythtv-setup? |
| [11:36:37] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that one |
| [11:36:44] | wagnerrp: | why cant you run mythtv-setup? |
| [11:36:57] | mzb: | she's recording+watching |
| [11:37:02] | wagnerrp: | so |
| [11:37:10] | mzb: | (her birthday tomorrow, so now is really not a good time;) |
| [11:37:34] | wagnerrp: | so you fix it in mythtv-setup now, and you restart the backend later |
| [11:38:00] | mzb: | err ... I thought that mythtv-setup required the backend to be stopped? |
| [11:38:28] | wagnerrp: | it requires the backend to be restarted before a number of the changes it makes will take effect |
| [11:38:41] | wagnerrp: | it will warn you if the backend is running when you start it |
| [11:38:56] | wagnerrp: | but it in no way requires the backend be stopped |
| [11:39:01] | mzb: | ah, ok ... thanks |
| [11:39:02] | wagnerrp: | ... unless youre running mythbuntu |
| [11:39:05] | mzb: | hehe |
| [11:39:07] | mzb: | no |
| [11:39:24] | wagnerrp: | which wraps mythtv-setup, and their wrapper issues the shutdown of the backend prior to it starting |
| [11:40:29] | mzb: | k |
| [11:40:47] | mzb: | done ... no changes made ... I'll keep an eye on it |
| [11:40:48] | mzb: | thanks |
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| [12:08:49] | wagnerrp: | well that was a disappointing response from the double episode thread.... |
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| [12:12:50] | justinh: | if you're on ubuntu just run mythtv-setup.real :) |
| [12:13:11] | justinh: | I do. I hate all that namby-pamby mothering it does |
| [12:14:02] | justinh: | ach well. time to head over to the place where a DVR is being vibration tested. it died as soon as they powered up the field coil for the motor which drives the shake bed |
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| [12:15:12] | wagnerrp: | this guy has been doing this kind of spam for the last month... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/13312 . . . ml#post52676 |
| [12:15:25] | wagnerrp: | is that just to get links to his site picked up by google? |
| [12:15:34] | wagnerrp: | or do you think hes actually getting clickthroughs? |
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| [12:18:50] | el_duerino: | Hei guys, anyone having experience with HD TV without vdpau? |
| [12:18:57] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [12:21:11] | el_duerino: | I own a dual core intel PC with somewhat 1–2 Ghz, 2G RAM and a older NVidia Device withut vdpau support |
| [12:21:40] | wagnerrp: | between 1 and 2GHz... theres a big performance range in there |
| [12:21:44] | el_duerino: | despite the fact, that HD will push one CPU around 80–100%, i think it should be possible to watch HD without stuttering |
| [12:22:19] | el_duerino: | PC is around two years old |
| [12:22:40] | wagnerrp: | so what is your processor? |
| [12:23:01] | el_duerino: | hmm, machine if off currently (no recordings running) and I am not at home |
| [12:23:17] | el_duerino: | I think it must be more like 1,5–2 GhZ |
| [12:23:18] | wagnerrp: | you dont know what the machine is? |
| [12:23:28] | el_duerino: | Not the processor speed |
| [12:23:33] | el_duerino: | (exactly) |
| [12:23:41] | wagnerrp: | but you dont know what the processor is either |
| [12:23:48] | wagnerrp: | intel has made several dual core lines |
| [12:24:16] | el_duerino: | arrr, I see; you need more detailled information, du you? |
| [12:24:32] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [12:24:54] | wagnerrp: | theres a big difference from an old Core Duo running at 1GHz, and a Core2Duo running at 2GHz |
| [12:25:01] | wagnerrp: | considerably more than double the power |
| [12:25:03] | el_duerino: | Core2Duo |
| [12:25:20] | wagnerrp: | what is the content youre trying to decode? |
| [12:25:44] | el_duerino: | recordings from local channels (Das Erste HD, germany) |
| [12:25:54] | wagnerrp: | codec? bitrate? |
| [12:26:52] | wagnerrp: | basically, im trying to gage whether your processor should be capable of decoding the content without assistance |
| [12:27:11] | wagnerrp: | a 2GHz Core2 should be able to handle just about any HD mpeg2 you throw at it |
| [12:27:26] | wagnerrp: | 1.5GHz? youre getting a bit low for some high bitrate DVB-T content |
| [12:27:44] | el_duerino: | Well, its DVB-S2 |
| [12:28:02] | wagnerrp: | if its h264, is it sliced or not? |
| [12:28:15] | el_duerino: | Sliced? |
| [12:28:19] | wagnerrp: | a 2GHz Core2 will probably handle around 10mbps per core of h264 |
| [12:28:34] | wagnerrp: | if its just a single slice, it will only be able to use one core for decoding |
| [12:28:40] | el_duerino: | how can I find out these values? |
| [12:29:27] | wagnerrp: | start playback, open up `top`, press '1' to display a split view of each execution core |
| [12:29:43] | el_duerino: | ok |
| [12:29:48] | wagnerrp: | if youre running full load on one processor, and no load on the other, it is not content that can be multithreaded |
| [12:30:02] | el_duerino: | Yeah, that sounds logic |
| [12:30:15] | el_duerino: | which parameters can I toggle to improve playback? Just the deinterlacers? |
| [12:30:39] | wagnerrp: | deinterlacers should be run on a separate thread, so i doubt that would affect anything |
| [12:31:30] | el_duerino: | the only thing I realized was that playback runs a bit smoother when switch to "none" deinterlacer |
| [12:31:51] | wagnerrp: | what playback profile are you using? |
| [12:32:07] | wagnerrp: | if youre using anything but 'Slim', give that a try |
| [12:33:27] | el_duerino: | I tried several, without a difference (except switching off the deinterlacing) |
| [12:33:57] | el_duerino: | I think its currently "High" |
| [12:34:15] | wagnerrp: | what is 'High'? |
| [12:34:41] | el_duerino: | i'm not sure about ne real name; sounds like it was the opposite of your suggestion |
| [12:34:43] | el_duerino: | ;-) |
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| [12:37:03] | EvilGuru: | Does anyone here have a Nova-T-500? I ask as an issue I've had with it for a while is that it breaks when I reboot my system |
| [12:37:34] | EvilGuru: | In that I need to shutdown my system and turn it on again (to force a firmware reload) |
| [12:37:35] | el_duerino: | So, is it possible to claim ( i know its hard ) to say that, with a 2GHz Core2Duo Machine, most of HD content should play smooth? |
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| [12:39:19] | wagnerrp: | it will have trouble with single sliced h264, and bluray content |
| [12:39:58] | EvilGuru: | el_duerino: My 2.4 Core 2 has trouble with some H.264 |
| [12:40:21] | el_duerino: | ok, got the point |
| [12:41:47] | el_duerino: | I think I have to buy a new graphics card... |
| [12:42:04] | wagnerrp: | presumably your board has a PCIe slot |
| [12:42:15] | wagnerrp: | new graphics cards can be picked up pretty cheaply |
| [12:42:26] | el_duerino: | i just bought a tevii s470 PCIe |
| [12:42:28] | wagnerrp: | i think both of my 8400s were ~$30 |
| [12:42:31] | el_duerino: | so its kinda full |
| [12:42:40] | wagnerrp: | replace your existing graphics card |
| [12:42:45] | el_duerino: | its onboard |
| [12:42:46] | wagnerrp: | unless its onboard graphics |
| [12:43:29] | el_duerino: | Dumb question: Are there dirrerent PCI-e Slot sizes? |
| [12:43:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, x1, x2, x4, x8, and x16 |
| [12:43:54] | el_duerino: | between two PCI and one (2cm long) PCIe slot there is another one |
| [12:43:57] | wagnerrp: | x2 is fairly uncommon |
| [12:44:09] | el_duerino: | x2 is the short one? |
| [12:44:16] | wagnerrp: | and supposedly you can have x32, but ive never actually seen one |
| [12:44:20] | wagnerrp: | x1 is the short one |
| [12:44:38] | el_duerino: | which one is used by the nvidia cards? |
| [12:44:41] | wagnerrp: | there should be a notch in the center |
| [12:44:50] | EvilGuru: | Usually you will only see x1 and x16 |
| [12:44:55] | wagnerrp: | forward of the notch is command connections, all PCIe slots have that same thing |
| [12:45:03] | EvilGuru: | Although electrically, for the x16, anything goes |
| [12:45:20] | wagnerrp: | behind the notch (the smaller side on an x1, larger on x16) are the data channels |
| [12:45:36] | wagnerrp: | youll have between 1–16 on a slot, and the slot will be larger or smaller accordingly |
| [12:45:52] | wagnerrp: | x1 and x16 are very common |
| [12:45:59] | wagnerrp: | x4 is somewhat common on higher end boards |
| [12:46:08] | wagnerrp: | and x8 are common on servers and workstations |
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| [12:46:23] | wagnerrp: | graphics cards are usually x16 |
| [12:46:33] | el_duerino: | cool, that may fit |
| [12:46:41] | wagnerrp: | but any PCIe card will use any PCIe slot that it can physically fit into |
| [12:47:13] | el_duerino: | you mean, I can also stick the DVB-S2 card in the larger slot (without a hammer)? |
| [12:47:33] | EvilGuru: | With PCIe 2.0 x1 graphics cards become a little bit more practical than before |
| [12:47:35] | wagnerrp: | a PCIe x1 card will fit in any PCIe slot of any size |
| [12:47:53] | el_duerino: | good to know; and you are happy with a 8400 ? |
| [12:48:13] | wagnerrp: | works fine for me |
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| [12:52:22] | AndyCap: | Why people just couldn't go with 16x connectors all around eludes me. :P |
| [12:52:45] | wagnerrp: | takes up too much room, where are you going to put the various other chips and headers |
| [12:53:01] | wagnerrp: | of course they only take up slightly more room than the old PCI slots |
| [12:53:20] | el_duerino: | So, thank you very much for your great help! |
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| [13:01:14] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Quite a few of the higher end i7 boards sport 4–5 16x slots (although not all run at 16x) |
| [13:02:03] | wagnerrp: | right, theyre also a lot wider than the cheaper boards |
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| [13:16:38] | el_duerino: | is the g210 comparable with the 8400? |
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| [13:26:39] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: in case you didnt notice, i did backport that 'mythpython --version' back to -fixes |
| [13:26:45] | wagnerrp: | so it should be available to everyone |
| [13:26:54] | wagnerrp: | and anyone who doesnt have it, you can tell them to upgrade |
| [13:27:40] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: saw that this morning. For both of use I hope it accomplishes the intended goals. |
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| [14:26:29] | ** EvilGuru seems to have the only 9600GT on the planet which does not support VDPAU ** | |
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| [14:43:13] | sid3windr: | there are 9600s that don't support VDPAU? |
| [14:45:19] | wagnerrp: | arent supposed to be |
| [14:46:32] | wagnerrp: | one of the devs permanently damaged a video card by using a one of the pre-release 180.x drivers |
| [14:46:52] | wagnerrp: | normal output works, but VPDAU fails with all sorts of garbage on screen |
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| [14:52:02] | EvilGuru: | sid3windr: I think it is either bad hardware or a software oversight |
| [14:52:59] | EvilGuru: | Also, does anyone have any idea why the menu button on my Antec remote causes the menu to just flash |
| [14:53:10] | EvilGuru: | So appear and then disappear as if someone pressed esc right after |
| [14:54:37] | el_duerino: | the is a paremeter in lirc which sets the time between two button presses |
| [14:55:02] | el_duerino: | maybe its to short and one press in intrepreted as two by your lirc server |
| [14:55:20] | EvilGuru: | I'll take a look with irw |
| [14:55:27] | el_duerino: | its in the .conf file four your kemote |
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| [15:48:11] | PeaceKeeper: | When trying to watch recordings in mythweb I get an error about the stream not being found. Where is the best place to look for this error? |
| [15:48:24] | PeaceKeeper: | I have read online and the INSTALL of mythweb, still no luck |
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| [16:00:04] | ** iamlindoro thinks Allen is a little upset about his audio page being renamed ** | |
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| [16:17:51] | justinh: | OMG what next? A mission statement? http://mythtv.org/wiki/Maintainers :-) |
| [16:19:59] | ** wagnerrp should make a "Rays Python Documentation" ** | |
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| [16:21:05] | johnnyj: | there's Php bindings? |
| [16:21:13] | wagnerrp: | kinda sorta |
| [16:21:24] | wagnerrp: | they exist, but solely in mythweb |
| [16:21:33] | wagnerrp: | someone would need to split them out and spruce them up |
| [16:21:33] | johnnyj: | oh- yeah – i guess they would |
| [16:21:55] | wagnerrp: | thats basically how the perl bindings came into being, split off of nuvexport |
| [16:22:15] | johnnyj: | and then python just to spite me |
| [16:22:20] | johnnyj: | right? right? |
| [16:22:41] | justinh: | who in their right mind would use php for anything but web stuff? |
| [16:22:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they would spite you |
| [16:23:14] | justinh: | hmm prolly the same reason they might use perl or bash script to do real jobs best left to proper code... |
| [16:23:23] | johnnyj: | justinh – my last job was a dev firm that had a php product and they used php cli everywhere |
| [16:23:29] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:23:34] | justinh: | takes all sorts |
| [16:24:00] | wagnerrp: | i can understand php cli if youre using it for background stuff on a php-based website |
| [16:24:15] | johnnyj: | they had it in the init.d scripts |
| [16:24:28] | johnnyj: | the crontasks |
| [16:24:34] | wagnerrp: | for instance, cacti runs its poller daemon in php |
| [16:24:41] | johnnyj: | post-commit hooks |
| [16:28:44] | iamlindoro: | I am almost tempted to remove the ex-allens-audio page since it's not relevant to any current version of myth anyway |
| [16:29:50] | justinh: | is that the impenetrable 'digital audio howto' thing? |
| [16:30:47] | justinh: | if I'm ever gonna copy a config file verbatim I expect a really good explanation of what it's doing. In English, not ALSA speak |
| [16:31:45] | justinh: | there's pulseaudio... and ALSA.. and it seems.. nothing inbetween |
| [16:32:45] | justinh: | wish linux audio could be a little more like ASIO.. configuring that is pretty easy |
| [16:33:13] | iamlindoro: | I'd like to know why Allen's audio page has troubleshooting info for XvMC |
| [16:33:18] | iamlindoro: | but oh well |
| [16:33:53] | justinh: | heh I always thought audio was at the root of all the problems I had with xvmc |
| [16:34:15] | justinh: | since I only really ever had issues with recordings when they had AD streams |
| [16:34:26] | dustybin: | i have installed easystroke on my joggler, when i launch mythfrontend, the terminal says: gesture: left gesture: right etc, however, mythtv doesnt do anything, how can i make mythtv use gestures? |
| [16:35:36] | iamlindoro: | Myth's gesture support is not hooked up to anything |
| [16:35:52] | iamlindoro: | if you want to use some gesture support, it will need to all be third party tools that emulate keystrokes |
| [16:36:09] | ** Beirdo makes a gesture towards his TV... nope, didn't work ** | |
| [16:36:28] | ** justinh makes a gesture towards dustybin ** | |
| [16:36:43] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: You just think so, it took sincere offense-- it'll crash during an important recording |
| [16:36:44] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i have installed easystroke, that emulates keystrokes |
| [16:36:46] | iamlindoro: | it's just biding its time |
| [16:36:57] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: hmmm, good point |
| [16:36:58] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: then you should configure it and get support from the easystroke people |
| [16:37:07] | dustybin: | aye up :D |
| [16:37:10] | Beirdo: | the HDPVR is supposed to arrive today, BTW |
| [16:37:28] | justinh: | dustybin: another loon wanting to run mythfrontend on that inadequate hardware had to resort to making a flash-based actionscript overlay for mythfrontend. Not nice |
| [16:37:56] | Beirdo: | so I planned to work from home, and then I wake up with a splitting headache... bah |
| [16:37:56] | justinh: | time that'd be better spent improving mouse/touchscreen support in mythtv IMHO |
| [16:38:23] | dustybin: | justinh: i had tv running on my joggler for 2 hours, no problems at all |
| [16:38:31] | justinh: | especially now the OSD is mythui'd |
| [16:38:32] | dustybin: | cpus were about 30% |
| [16:38:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Yahoo! ;-) (HD-PVR) — I <3 my HD-PVRs... ;-) |
| [16:39:08] | johnnyj: | what's the menu sequence to get into playback profiles again? |
| [16:39:17] | ** Beirdo is self-medicating with coffee and tylenol ** | |
| [16:39:38] | justinh: | sacrifice goat, wait til it's done bleeding, smear yourself completely in the blood, pick up the remote... |
| [16:40:08] | justinh: | or utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback – and playback profiles are on like the 3rd page or so |
| [16:40:09] | Beirdo: | and don't forget to make curry with the goat after. yum |
| [16:40:30] | johnnyj: | with the goat, or from the goat? |
| [16:40:52] | Beirdo: | same diff |
| [16:42:07] | dustybin: | 2010-06–22 17:41:54.557 Gesture: Up |
| [16:42:29] | wagnerrp: | uh huh... |
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| [16:42:49] | Beirdo: | Gesture: middle finger, right hand |
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| [16:43:06] | Beirdo: | oh wait. :) |
| [16:43:11] | justinh: | that's twice this week there's been somebody hankering for better touch support in mythtv. if only they had the time or inclination to dabble in a bit of code |
| [16:43:12] | wagnerrp: | fist behind elbow, other fist raised |
| [16:43:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:43:55] | johnnyj: | justinh – thanks |
| [16:43:55] | Beirdo: | up yer kilt, laddie! |
| [16:44:07] | justinh: | lol |
| [16:44:25] | Beirdo: | I wish this headache would die |
| [16:44:29] | justinh: | awww black lab no like the blazing sunshine |
| [16:44:52] | Beirdo: | aww |
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| [17:03:51] | PeaceKeeper: | J-e-f-f-A: Did you reload? |
| [17:05:09] | PeaceKeeper: | J-e-f-f-A: I got my systems (beside mythweb streaming and prv-150 lirc on backend) running great... I small tweak to the limits.conf on my zotac ion and hd-pvr plays back nice too. |
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| [17:08:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: No actually... :-( Was copying 500GB drives to 'new' 1TB drives and it took much longer than I had expected... :-( |
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| [17:09:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: I didn't even get myself up on 0.23-fixes :-( But at least I did end up getting my 1TB drives in, and worked out adding an additional hdd controller, so now I've got the ability to connect up to 12 SATA drives, and at this time have 11 physically in the box. ;-) MuWaHaHa!!!! |
| [17:10:05] | dustybin: | I GOT EASYSTROKE WORKING WITH MYTHTV!!!!!! |
| [17:10:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A cheers as it appears his son FINALLY has a job!!!!! (I was ready to beat him sensless...) ** | |
| [17:10:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: careful, this is a family channel! |
| [17:10:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [17:10:35] | dustybin: | :o |
| [17:10:38] | wagnerrp: | easystroke? |
| [17:10:43] | dustybin: | gestures |
| [17:10:49] | dustybin: | i can now finger my way around mythtv |
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| [17:11:02] | PeaceKeeper: | :) |
| [17:11:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had a gilrfriend like that once.... |
| [17:11:11] | wagnerrp: | right, you just map those gestures to commands |
| [17:11:38] | PeaceKeeper: | Where do the .flv from mythweb go when you try to stream? I am trying to troubleshoot a "stream can not be found" error |
| [17:11:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: I'll have a few hours tomorrow night, I think I'll tackle an upgrade then. |
| [17:11:55] | wagnerrp: | across the network |
| [17:12:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: they're streamed, so no physical file on the system. |
| [17:12:36] | PeaceKeeper: | Oh, well darn. Now I am not sure where to look. |
| [17:12:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: probably the http logs |
| [17:13:15] | wagnerrp: | the web server needs read access to those files on the file system |
| [17:13:57] | dustybin: | i am now changing channels with my finger :D |
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| [17:14:44] | PeaceKeeper: | J-e-f-f-A: I see the access, but I do not see an error there. GET //mythweb/pl/stream/1774/1277168400.flv HTTP/1.1 is all I see |
| [17:15:26] | PeaceKeeper: | wagnerrp: You mean the recordings dir right? |
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| [17:15:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:15:58] | cipher42: | is the username and password in the general settings the OS user and pass or mysql user and pass? |
| [17:16:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | cipher42: mysql |
| [17:16:45] | cipher42: | so you don't even need an account with those credentials on the server? |
| [17:17:13] | PeaceKeeper: | wagnerrp: I think id does. But I did notice all the recordings are owned by root. Is this normal? |
| [17:17:43] | cipher42: | no |
| [17:17:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | cipher42: No, it's a mysql userid and password. You could run your frontend/backend as "user123" and have mysql's user be "anything987" if you wanted to.. |
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| [17:19:15] | cipher42: | should be owned by mythtv |
| [17:19:22] | sphery: | are you sure it's not accessing and still downloading, but your MythWeb host is slow enough that it's taking much longer than real time to transcode to FLV on the fly (i.e. meaning it will have to wait for a while, downloading and buffering, then will play 'til the buffer runs out, then will pause to buffer more or exit (depending on several factors)) |
| [17:20:08] | sphery: | i.e. I can't do FLV viewing with my recordings because my MythWeb host can't transcode my MPEG-2 HDTV to garbage-quality Flash in real time |
| [17:20:18] | PeaceKeeper: | Humm |
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| [17:21:10] | sphery: | might be interesting to use a wget or something and watch the file it outputs--even with a: watch ls -l 1277168400.flv |
| [17:21:11] | PeaceKeeper: | My recordings are owned my root, how would I know if it is taking to long? |
| [17:21:35] | sphery: | are these HDTV recordings? If so, what CODEC? and which processor on your MythWeb host |
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| [17:23:53] | PeaceKeeper: | Humm they are HDTV and they are hvr-2250, hd-5000, and hd-pvr |
| [17:24:27] | PeaceKeeper: | the processor on the host is a dual CPU, but I can not remember the ghz |
| [17:24:32] | PeaceKeeper: | I will look in a sec |
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| [17:26:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [17:26:22] | sphery: | So that's US, right? If so, it would be MPEG-2. Most dual-core systems should be relatively-close to real-time when transcoding those. So if you do try the wget approach, you should be able to see the file size growing. |
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| [17:27:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: the HD-PVR recordings will probably not stream unless you have a really, really fast processor!!!! |
| [17:27:42] | Beirdo: | 1THz? |
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| [17:27:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [17:28:08] | sphery: | ah, yeah, HD-PVR would be MPEG-4 AVC/H.264... That name is way too similar to HDHR |
| [17:28:30] | ** J-e-f-f-A has both. ;-) ** | |
| [17:28:55] | sphery: | for some reason, I see the HD and the R and kind of miss the middle whenever I read about one of them |
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| [17:29:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and they say advertising doesn't work.... I'm finding myself drooling when I just opened an email from "Papa John's"... ;-) |
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| [17:30:01] | wagnerrp: | youre looking at having to use an i7 in turbo mode to manage streaming of HDPVR content |
| [17:30:04] | sphery: | maybe that makes me medialexic |
| [17:31:01] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to give firefox a list of downloads that it does sequentially? |
| [17:31:06] | sphery: | would an i9 handle it without any OC'ing? |
| [17:31:11] | sphery: | maybe an i11 |
| [17:32:24] | cipher42: | how do i get rid of the unknown decoding error? |
| [17:32:31] | cipher42: | b picture before any references |
| [17:32:43] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok thank you :) I will look into it later... Work is calling :( |
| [17:32:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think you need to use a download manager add-on to get the ability to easily make it sequential downloads (though you can set max downloads in about:config) |
| [17:33:05] | sphery: | or were you more interested in the command-line to use? |
| [17:33:22] | wagnerrp: | just have a list of some 60 or so files to download |
| [17:33:28] | wagnerrp: | and i dont want to start them all up at once |
| [17:33:38] | sphery: | which would be a: firefox -remote "openURL(http://hostname/path/to/file)" |
| [17:33:45] | sphery: | wget/curl FTW |
| [17:34:17] | sphery: | I've used DownThemAll in Firefox for some Windows users I know |
| [17:34:46] | sphery: | which is different from the shopping add-on, DownTheMall ;) |
| [17:34:49] | sphery: | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/201/ |
| [17:34:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive used that before at home |
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| [17:35:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why mathworks wont just provide one big archive |
| [17:35:28] | wagnerrp: | no... ive got to download each individual module independently |
| [17:35:49] | wagnerrp: | oh for 50mbps fiber.... |
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| [17:36:37] | sphery: | they want to give you the opportunity to use some math... Click download, watch progress, estimate end time (knowing that browser-provided estimates are useless), so that you know when to come back and click the next link |
| [17:36:50] | sphery: | and then they trac to see how efficient you were |
| [17:37:11] | sphery: | though a wget or curl script would make you look like a |
| [17:37:17] | sphery: | math genious |
| [17:37:26] | wagnerrp: | i would just download everything all at once, but it barfs if you do more than four at a time |
| [17:37:55] | sphery: | yeah, I often limit the number of concurrent downloads because it tends to be more efficient for large files |
| [17:38:21] | sphery: | especially when server rate- or connection-limits you |
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| [17:48:12] | sidh: | Greetings |
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| [17:53:22] | sidh: | i used debian.mentor sources and patches for having the 0.8.6 version of lirc, but once the deb packages are installed , it fails on startup because it tries to load the modules from /lib/modules/2.6.32-5–686/kernel/ubuntu/lirc/ (that doesn't exist on debian) |
| [17:53:39] | sidh: | do youthink i should create that directories and re create the .deb ? |
| [17:56:44] | sphery: | Any *buntu users here? Which Qt version is in 10.04? |
| [17:58:35] | sidh: | sphery: in the ubuntu package repository you could have the info iirc |
| [17:58:41] | _abbenormal: | sphery, try dpkg -l qt* |
| [17:59:02] | sphery: | thanks... I found it. It's 4.6.2 |
| [17:59:05] | DarthFrog: | Qt 4 |
| [18:01:39] | DarthFrog: | I have one videos storage group and only one video file in that directory. When I try to play it, I get "sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution". Yet when I use a remote frontend, the file plays. Anybody have any idea what might be going on? There are no ' or any special characters in the video filename (Snowcake.avi). |
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| [18:02:01] | EvilGuru: | As an aside: would it be possible for the backend set-up program, after one has configured input cards, to offer to write some udev rules the freeze the current /dev/ allocations for those cards? |
| [18:03:16] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:03:31] | justinh: | yeah it would be possible alright. with patches |
| [18:04:07] | justinh: | though you'd have to make sure the user mythtv-setup runs as has privileges to do that. eeew |
| [18:04:34] | justinh: | surely better to give distros a good kicking til they stop mucking up such things so readily |
| [18:04:48] | iamlindoro: | DarthFrog: You have configured some sort of script or something to be your video player on the frontend that is failing |
| [18:04:59] | iamlindoro: | and the script is broken, or the command you have put in is |
| [18:05:19] | DarthFrog: | iamlindoro: Hmm. It's Mythbuntu and I've not customised it. |
| [18:05:27] | justinh: | bearing in mind that no external app will work with storage groups |
| [18:05:27] | iamlindoro: | all the same :) |
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| [18:06:01] | DarthFrog: | The thing is, this is new in the past couple of days. |
| [18:06:05] | iamlindoro: | You may not have realized it, or whatever-- it's not an assignment of blame, just a statement of fact |
| [18:06:13] | DarthFrog: | Oh, I realise that. |
| [18:06:31] | DarthFrog: | And the standard question, what did you change? :-) |
| [18:06:38] | iamlindoro: | because the fact that the playback attempts to spawn a shell alone is enough to be sure that the frontend in question does not have default settings |
| [18:07:06] | iamlindoro: | as default settings are the internal player for which no shell spawning is necessary |
| [18:07:19] | justinh: | unless he's got the Israeli edition of mythbuntu with all that lovely sudo shell stuff hard-coded in :) |
| [18:07:45] | DarthFrog: | Now there's a good place to look, the player assignments. And, BTW, I'm in Canuckistan. :-) |
| [18:08:00] | justinh: | mythyoutube: sudo wget http://the.video.url/foo.whatever; sudo playthefile; sudo rm thefile |
| [18:08:47] | iamlindoro: | Didn't those guys far predate mythbuntu? |
| [18:09:07] | justinh: | maybe, maybe not |
| [18:09:25] | justinh: | they were doing awful things in code, I do remember that much |
| [18:09:40] | iamlindoro: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/ |
| [18:10:01] | DarthFrog: | <- has a new hero. iamlindoro FTW!!! :-) |
| [18:10:10] | iamlindoro: | DarthFrog: What'd it end up being? |
| [18:10:21] | DarthFrog: | iamlindoro: Thank you for your observation, it was a bingo. |
| [18:10:29] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [18:11:11] | DarthFrog: | I must have had a finger fumble when I was on the player settings page. The first player listed was internal'. |
| [18:11:24] | DarthFrog: | Removing the extraneous ' was the solution. |
| [18:11:33] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [18:11:37] | iamlindoro: | glad you got it figured out |
| [18:11:53] | DarthFrog: | With your help, many thanks. |
| [18:12:05] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:12:51] | justinh: | heh no activity on heliocreek for a while. another 'friendly' fork bites the dusticles |
| [18:13:05] | ** iamlindoro kicks Canon ** | |
| [18:13:12] | iamlindoro: | I wanna new camera, announce the 60D already |
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| [18:16:08] | wagnerrp: | thats a rather appropriate name |
| [18:16:25] | wagnerrp: | its the '60D' camera |
| [18:16:35] | wagnerrp: | it will 'bring new life' to your photographs |
| [18:17:05] | ** EvilGuru is still waiting for the 38DD ** | |
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| [18:17:18] | justinh: | joggler-cam ? |
| [18:17:52] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont think you would be jogging with two of those |
| [18:18:12] | iamlindoro: | Not that I don't encourage people to try |
| [18:18:25] | ** justinh imagines some kind of scaffolding arrangement ** | |
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| [18:22:04] | justinh: | reminds me I need to go camera shopping. viddy-o and still.. dunno whether to compromise & get a cam which does both or what |
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| [18:23:01] | EvilGuru: | Some of the higher end ones do quite good 1080p |
| [18:23:49] | justinh: | don't need/want HD |
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| [18:23:49] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that's the goal-- no point upgrading to a 50D when the 60D will do 1080p/60 with all my fancy glass |
| [18:23:56] | EvilGuru: | If you have cash to burn the EOS 5D is very nice |
| [18:24:11] | iamlindoro: | Could spend a bit more an get a 7D, but meh |
| [18:24:14] | justinh: | can't edit HD on my laptop.. something of an oversight on my part |
| [18:24:34] | justinh: | mpeg2 hd yes. whatever these cams produce.. nah |
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| [18:25:01] | ** EvilGuru is still waiting for Intel to support H.264 decoding on the X4500 ** | |
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| [18:25:20] | justinh: | heheh. happy waiting |
| [18:25:38] | justinh: | you might aswell wait for proper HD decoding on ATI in linux too |
| [18:25:54] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Or that, my laptop has Intel + ATI combo |
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| [18:26:21] | iamlindoro: | Whelp, lucky for all of you Mark K exists |
| [18:26:35] | iamlindoro: | and opened a tracking ticket for VAAPI support last night, including his initial work |
| [18:26:41] | iamlindoro: | (for you ATI owners, anyway) |
| [18:27:12] | iamlindoro: | and poulsbo folk |
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| [18:27:18] | ** EvilGuru would be surprised if ATI ever released the specs for the UVD ** | |
| [18:27:25] | iamlindoro: | They won't, but you don't need them to |
| [18:27:36] | iamlindoro: | just need their binary driver and VAAPI |
| [18:27:58] | sphery: | and a 32-bit distro, of course (or at least a multilib distro with 32-bit X) |
| [18:27:59] | iamlindoro: | XvBA supported via VAAPI |
| [18:28:23] | sphery: | after all, why would AMD (of all companies) support x86_64 (formerly AMD64)? ;) |
| [18:29:58] | AndyCap: | EvilGuru: I think I saw some vaapi activty for intel x4500 recently. |
| [18:31:36] | EvilGuru: | Be interesting to see if it gets anywhere, as Wikipedia claims that the version in my laptop supports H.264 decoding |
| [18:32:07] | justinh: | wish my laptop supported playing video synced to refresg |
| [18:32:10] | justinh: | *refresh |
| [18:32:16] | justinh: | stupid crap |
| [18:32:24] | justinh: | intel suck |
| [18:32:28] | johnnyj: | what's the vdpau capable pcie card du jour ? |
| [18:32:41] | sidh: | ok it seems compiling lirc from latest stable release and start the service works |
| [18:32:55] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Sad thing is that their recent hardware is not too bad, but their drivers are...awful |
| [18:33:17] | justinh: | johnnyj: gtx 220 / whatever prolly |
| [18:33:20] | sidh: | but when i reboot and run mode2 -r -d /dev/lirc0, nothing happens when i press remote buttons |
| [18:33:54] | justinh: | pointless getting all the VDPAU part C stuff if you've a CPU that can eat divx & all that junk anyway |
| [18:34:27] | EvilGuru: | One possible reason for the newer cards is that they provide a virtual ALSA device |
| [18:34:38] | EvilGuru: | as opposed to using an S/P-DIF passthrough cable from your motherboard |
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| [18:36:46] | justinh: | arghh why did Panasonic move to their own battery pack? Love my DMC-LZ1 cos you can put any ole junk battery in it |
| [18:38:32] | johnnyj: | ok there's a million gt220 cards |
| [18:38:34] | johnnyj: | wow |
| [18:39:10] | EvilGuru: | johnnyj: And they will almost all be exactly the same (PCB and chip wise) |
| [18:39:43] | justinh: | bleh even canon are doing it. wanna pocket-ish sized camera that takes ordinary batteries. been extorted out of cash for spare batt packs before |
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| [18:44:06] | justinh: | and if I *do* go HD camcorder, not bothering with one of those daft pocket ones. they're all plagued by shaky images with stupid cmos sensor roll |
| [18:46:48] | justinh: | ugh. touch screen interface |
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| [19:00:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, now I'm convinced that your read on the backstory of the double-episode was exactly right |
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| [19:01:05] | iamlindoro: | derr ;) |
| [19:01:28] | EvilGuru: | justinh: If you happen to reside in the UK you might want to consider buying your camera sooner rather than later |
| [19:01:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just look at the filename |
| [19:01:42] | wagnerrp: | '.720p.mkv' |
| [19:01:55] | wagnerrp: | who would actually /want/ to put that garbage into their own file names |
| [19:01:59] | wagnerrp: | who would care |
| [19:02:10] | sphery: | I guess in my naivete, I just wanted to believe. |
| [19:02:32] | sphery: | and since there wasn't any 1337 ripper name in the file name, I figured, maybe he did just name it that |
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| [19:03:25] | sphery: | but, the "read little effort" (which transcoding is not) was enough to convince me |
| [19:04:09] | sphery: | I wouldn't be surprised if the only real effort involved so far was remembering to strip out the 1337 ripper name from the file name |
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| [19:06:17] | justinh: | EvilGuru: I've got til January :) And no, it'll be nabbed before the month is out. baby coming |
| [19:06:30] | justinh: | god, I keep going on about that |
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| [19:06:38] | iamlindoro: | sphery: more likely, simply from the e-mail |
| [19:06:47] | iamlindoro: | in reality, the file still likely has it |
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| [19:07:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: oh, yeah, that's what I meant... stripped it from the pasted file name, not from the real one |
| [19:07:39] | iamlindoro: | heh, yeah |
| [19:07:42] | EvilGuru: | justinh: bad time for babies as well, from what I got of the budget |
| [19:08:20] | justinh: | is there ever a good time if you look at them from a purely fiscal viewpoint? :-O |
| [19:08:40] | wagnerrp: | depends on whether youre on welfare |
| [19:08:50] | Beirdo: | yawn |
| [19:08:53] | EvilGuru: | depends if you can put them up on craigslist or not |
| [19:08:56] | Beirdo: | still feel like CRAP |
| [19:08:57] | justinh: | done all the sums, and even without the convoluted tax credit business we'll cope – so any more is a bonus |
| [19:09:18] | Beirdo: | oh, and my little firewall box can not do monowall |
| [19:09:32] | wagnerrp: | what box is that? |
| [19:09:38] | Beirdo: | freebsd doesn't do the network drivers... moving on to smoothwall or shorewall |
| [19:09:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: with any luck the govt is on the brink of making people on benefits work :D |
| [19:09:53] | AndyCap: | justinh: oh, no, the poor people |
| [19:09:53] | wagnerrp: | certainly not our government |
| [19:10:02] | Beirdo: | The little foxconn Atom box... arrived today |
| [19:10:21] | EvilGuru: | best way to get them back into work is to get us out of the world cup |
| [19:10:22] | wagnerrp: | why would it not run monowall? lack of drivers? |
| [19:10:28] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [19:10:31] | justinh: | they should give people rewards for shopping benefit fraudsters too :D |
| [19:10:38] | Beirdo: | freebsd doesn't see either the wireless or wired |
| [19:10:51] | Beirdo: | go freebsd |
| [19:11:02] | Beirdo: | at least not the version used in monowall |
| [19:11:58] | Beirdo: | archaic software FTW |
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| [19:15:41] | BLZbubba: | dos 3.3 0wnz |
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| [19:18:16] | justinh: | bloody heck. I can afford the camera iamlindoro wants :-O I think my bank account is broken |
| [19:18:33] | iamlindoro: | hah |
| [19:18:37] | Beirdo: | wonder where my other USB dongles went |
| [19:18:52] | iamlindoro: | well, theoretically can afford it, anyway, it will probably be another 30–60 days to be able to get one |
| [19:19:28] | justinh: | seriously.. it's like my salary has been going in the last 2 months but nothing has come out.. only it has.. everything is being paid & I'm still *way* in the black |
| [19:19:56] | justinh: | oh well. this'll be the last time this happens in my life so I'll cherish it |
| [19:20:31] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok I recorded a show from a pvr-150 and I still can not stream :( Can not find .flv |
| [19:26:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Hey, that's exactly what's been happening to my bank account for the last 10 years!!!! |
| [19:26:44] | justinh: | haven't been feeling especially tightwaddish lately either |
| [19:26:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Oh wait, you're 'way in the black'.. woops, i'm always on the edge between red and black... ;-) |
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| [19:28:45] | Malard: | hi, i'm trying to change the internal dvd player to VLC because it seems to have very choppy playback of the first scene then hangs on many dvd's. i've tried putting "vlc %s vlc://quit" as the command line (excluding quotes) and vlc fails to play saying, unable to play %s |
| [19:28:50] | Malard: | it seems mythtv isnt swapping out %s for the path, what should it be? |
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| [19:29:43] | iamlindoro: | Malard: The DVD player path will never change, why would oyu need a variable? |
| [19:29:49] | iamlindoro: | vld /dev/dvd or whatever |
| [19:29:53] | iamlindoro: | er vlc /dev/dvd |
| [19:30:19] | iamlindoro: | %s is filenames in the file player settings, not device paths |
| [19:30:33] | Malard: | ah okay |
| [19:30:44] | Malard: | ty, i was wondering if it used the same command line for ripped dvd's |
| [19:30:51] | iamlindoro: | no, it does not |
| [19:30:54] | Malard: | cool |
| [19:30:55] | Malard: | ty |
| [19:30:56] | iamlindoro: | ripped DVDs are just another file extension |
| [19:30:57] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:32:12] | PeaceKeeper: | .mpg does not exist... on trying to download in mythweb too. maybe that is a lead :D |
| [19:33:16] | bwallen: | What is a good frontend that's easy to use (read: wife friendly)? I was thinking maybe an appletv? Are there any other such small boxes that would work? |
| [19:33:22] | PeaceKeeper: | not recognized in any storage groups directories for this host. |
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| [19:45:16] | justinh: | wow that's funny. streaming works here. must've configured mythweb correctly or something |
| [19:45:27] | PeaceKeeper: | fixed :D chmod 775 /home/mythtv fixed my streaming |
| [19:45:57] | PeaceKeeper: | justinh: Sorry I was typing that the sametime you replied. |
| [19:46:34] | PeaceKeeper: | It even streams my hd-pvr recording decent |
| [19:47:46] | justinh: | well it will, but is dependent on your backend's cpu being able to transcode content fast enough |
| [19:48:32] | justinh: | I had my athlon 800 machine at a linux expo serving to 3 frontends and flash streaming a few years back. only SDTV mind |
| [19:50:33] | justinh: | that show was a laugh... well at least the social part of it.. emptying the bar of Jack Daniels. Ahh those were the days |
| [19:51:13] | PeaceKeeper: | Can i change the aspect of flowplayer to 16:9. I see I can change the width, but it still seems 4:3 |
| [19:52:20] | justinh: | I just had a 16:9 show in 16:9 here |
| [19:52:46] | PeaceKeeper: | humm maybe this was not 16:9 let me try another. thx |
| [19:54:01] | PeaceKeeper: | That was it :D Thank you for your help |
| [19:59:15] | bwallen: | I'm thinking of buying a used laptop with DVI out to use as a frontend. Is this a good idea? |
| [20:04:07] | justinh: | bwallen: depends |
| [20:04:43] | bwallen: | justinh: just on the hardware specs you mean? I want it to play HD recorded from an over the air signal |
| [20:04:54] | justinh: | mpeg2 HD? |
| [20:05:11] | justinh: | any recentish CPU should cope just fine |
| [20:05:34] | bwallen: | I don't know if it'll be mpeg2. I'm just planning right now, so I don't know which capture card I'll end up getting |
| [20:07:11] | justinh: | if you're in the US or canada it'll be mpeg2 |
| [20:07:29] | justinh: | anywhere else it's likely to be h.264 – then you're looking at 2.4Ghz dual core |
| [20:07:37] | justinh: | as a minimum... ish |
| [20:07:44] | skd5aner: | or VDPAU |
| [20:08:39] | justinh: | yeah but how many used laptops are gonna have that? :) |
| [20:10:27] | bwallen: | damn, this just got expensive |
| [20:10:53] | sphery: | "[mythtv] Regarding EIT" Wasn't that the one with Harrison Ford? |
| [20:11:08] | iamlindoro: | very obscure |
| [20:11:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:11:35] | ** iamlindoro ands sphery some Mallowmars ** | |
| [20:11:36] | sphery: | I can't help it. I have to let these strange thoughts out or they build up. |
| [20:11:41] | iamlindoro: | er hands |
| [20:12:06] | sphery: | heh--now /that/ is obscure |
| [20:12:07] | iamlindoro: | See? I see your obscurity and raise you a passing reference |
| [20:12:15] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:13:02] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Users not taking the time to understand priority, aisle five |
| [20:13:12] | iamlindoro: | (and instead claiming it's broken) |
| [20:13:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:13:27] | sphery: | I think my mop is broken. It never helps clean up the mess. |
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| [20:13:46] | sphery: | only gets 100 more people involved and yelling at me |
| [20:14:06] | iamlindoro: | Someday you'll get to be a bagger |
| [20:14:07] | iamlindoro: | but for now |
| [20:14:10] | iamlindoro: | CLEANUP ON AISLE FIVE |
| [20:15:20] | bwallen: | I wish someone would make a commercial mythfrontend |
| [20:17:36] | sidh: | is there another chan than #lirc for troubleshoot a remote problem ? |
| [20:17:37] | kormoc: | bwallen, if you want to pay me money to get myhtfrontend, feel free |
| [20:17:41] | justinh: | oh people have dabbled in commercial frontends |
| [20:17:48] | justinh: | and indeed backends |
| [20:18:04] | justinh: | which is why people now have to pay the nice people at Schedules Direct $20 a year |
| [20:18:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: there, I'll now get a bunch of "well, you could just tell us instead of holding out" replied |
| [20:18:18] | sphery: | replies, that is |
| [20:18:51] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [20:19:11] | justinh: | and be sure to pay the nice mpeg lot a license fee... and macrovision.. and frauhoffer or whoever.. and countless more who'd be likely to sue yo backside |
| [20:20:08] | bwallen: | all that just to watch some tv.... guess I'll have to not be lazy and do it myself |
| [20:20:36] | justinh: | yeah I talked to a good few greedy business types at a linux trade show a few years back who all salivated at the prospect of selling a mythtv box – but strangely when the reality of the situation was pointed out to them they all suddenly lost interest |
| [20:20:49] | sphery: | Mythbuntu is pretty darn close to a commercial mythfrontend's usability/ease of install (especially for those who are already *buntu-aware) |
| [20:21:28] | justinh: | sphery: tis not, IMHO. installer fails without fail on my frontend. have to manually partition |
| [20:21:34] | sphery: | i.e. go with a MythTV distro--there's absolutely no benefit to starting with a different distro (say, Ubuntu) and just adding MythTV to it (to get, what in the end turns out to be just a badly-configured Mythbuntu) |
| [20:21:56] | sphery: | justinh: ok, maybe I should say, "as close as you're likely to find" ? :) |
| [20:22:00] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:22:19] | sidh: | sphery: does mythbunthu still use pulse-audio ? |
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| [20:22:43] | justinh: | it doesn't matter. mythfrontend still disables it :) |
| [20:23:15] | sphery: | all I know is that they've made it so that it gets out of the way when appropriate if it's still there |
| [20:24:25] | sidh: | ;) |
| [20:25:36] | sidh: | i read that only the BETA version use mythtv 0.23, so do you think BETA is stable enough to use it ? |
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| [20:28:53] | sidh: | oh it has been released |
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| [20:29:09] | EvilGuru: | Anyone else seen tis: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-car . . . a-and-intel/ |
| [20:29:58] | justinh: | meh |
| [20:30:01] | justinh: | 43 pages?! |
| [20:30:17] | EvilGuru: | Although I consider his final scores questional (same gen cards with same drivers getting different scores) |
| [20:30:45] | wagnerrp: | they are using a monitor that supports 42-bit color |
| [20:30:57] | wagnerrp: | for a card that supports 24-bit color |
| [20:31:06] | wagnerrp: | and a compressed video stream that supports 12-bit color |
| [20:31:25] | wagnerrp: | thats right folks! all of your recordings and optical media is only 12-bit |
| [20:31:35] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Kind of, it does make a difference |
| [20:32:00] | justinh: | heh. CD is only 14 bit |
| [20:32:08] | EvilGuru: | As sure you've only got a 24-bit range, but how that range maps to actual colours on screen is important |
| [20:32:11] | wagnerrp: | not 16-bit? |
| [20:32:21] | EvilGuru: | justinh: CD is 16, Sony won that one, IIRC |
| [20:32:42] | justinh: | sure I read a techy paper back in the day that said it was basically 14 bit |
| [20:32:47] | EvilGuru: | sRGB and Adobe 1998 will have different mappings from a 24-bit input, so having a 14-bit LUT is important for reproduction |
| [20:33:22] | justinh: | ahh we're both right |
| [20:33:23] | wagnerrp: | huh? you can set your extents to whatever you want |
| [20:33:38] | justinh: | phillips initially used eight to fourteen modulation |
| [20:33:50] | wagnerrp: | 24-bit color make no difference to the range, only the variability within that range |
| [20:34:07] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Right. But that range needs to be mapped to intensities inside the monitor |
| [20:34:10] | wagnerrp: | you can certainly get full sRGB/Adobe'98 color space out of a 24-bit output |
| [20:34:33] | EvilGuru: | So if you want a monitor to be able to reproduce sRGB/Adobe it needs to work with a range > 24-bits |
| [20:34:37] | wagnerrp: | and you can do it with 24-bit internal color handling as well |
| [20:34:41] | EvilGuru: | At least, internally |
| [20:34:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why |
| [20:34:51] | justinh: | EvilGuru: point being, all these 'guru' sites peddle inane amounts of BS |
| [20:34:59] | justinh: | and all to placate 'philes' |
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| [20:37:58] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Colour spaces map values to wavelengths. Since sRGB and Adobe are different mappings from [0,255] => wavelengths you have # wavelengths > 256 hence need to work with a range > 256 internally |
| [20:39:08] | wagnerrp: | still not understanding why |
| [20:39:21] | wagnerrp: | your colorspace or gamut is just your output range |
| [20:39:26] | bwallen: | would an nvidia ion play mpeg2 hd? |
| [20:39:42] | wagnerrp: | you could have 2-bit color, and still encompass the entire range |
| [20:39:43] | justinh: | point being, people have more interesting things to do with their lives than read 43 page 'reports' :D |
| [20:39:58] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Right, but sRGB and Adobe have different physical ranges |
| [20:40:08] | justinh: | though I'd still rather do that than watch a 3 hour film |
| [20:40:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, and all you have to do is make your display capable of the extents of those ranges, and your golden |
| [20:40:55] | wagnerrp: | it makes no difference how many points you can hit within that range |
| [20:41:09] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Precisely. And to support both the crystals need to have more than 256 possible states |
| [20:41:12] | wagnerrp: | thats your color resolution, and it has no bearing on your range |
| [20:41:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i dont see why |
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| [20:41:38] | justinh: | distill down to "For now, KitGuru can state clearly that ATI’s Radeon HD 5000 series cards offer the best HD video reproduction quality available in the market."... but they don't say *except if you want to use Linux |
| [20:42:04] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: The greenest green in the Adobe space is 'greener' than that in sRGB |
| [20:42:21] | wagnerrp: | uh huh, so you set that as your peak green value, and youre done |
| [20:42:35] | EvilGuru: | then you'd fail to support sRGB |
| [20:42:47] | wagnerrp: | you support more than sRGB |
| [20:42:57] | wagnerrp: | you have enveloped sRGB |
| [20:43:08] | EvilGuru: | which is bad, as that is not sRGB |
| [20:43:11] | Beirdo: | need blank cd! dangit |
| [20:43:17] | dustybin: | the frontend works on the joggler, but there are quite a few random pauses, i think thats due to overheating |
| [20:43:30] | EvilGuru: | when selecting a colour space you need to hit it perfectly for it to be meaningful |
| [20:43:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A drops a blank cd in the mail for Bierdo. ** | |
| [20:43:34] | wagnerrp: | oh, so you are specifically looking for a monitor that has a button to let you flip between different exact color spaces |
| [20:43:40] | EvilGuru: | yeah |
| [20:43:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:43:46] | EvilGuru: | most of the higher ends ones allow you to do so |
| [20:43:49] | wagnerrp: | see, now thats completely different |
| [20:44:04] | EvilGuru: | which is why internally the monitor needs to work with a 10- or 14-bit LUT |
| [20:45:16] | wagnerrp: | they actually need a look-up-table? |
| [20:45:35] | wagnerrp: | you cant just define a simple curve-fit to describe the response of the crystals? |
| [20:45:37] | justinh: | yeah so they can do all the stupid colour mangling they do |
| [20:46:17] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Since it is only a few values a LUT is probably quicker/cheaper |
| [20:46:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm guessing they need a LUT since the light output is probably not linear. |
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| [20:47:07] | EvilGuru: | Then you've got the nasty 6-bit TN-film monitors, those things burn my eyes |
| [20:47:44] | wagnerrp: | meh, for a $2700 monitor, you could afford to spend a couple bucks on an FPGA |
| [20:48:11] | wagnerrp: | want to flip to a new colorspace? bake a new discrete transform into the chip |
| [20:48:30] | wagnerrp: | 2 seconds later, and you dont have to diddle around with the excessive bit scales |
| [20:48:47] | EvilGuru: | £2700 is a lot, my 3008WFP only cost me £800 some time ago |
| [20:49:04] | dustybin: | my joggler is using VDPAU for video!!! |
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| [20:49:08] | dustybin: | wtf |
| [20:50:57] | EvilGuru: | Still I would like to know how ffmpeg and friends perform in that test |
| [20:51:39] | EvilGuru: | At least so far as deinterlacing and scaling go |
| [20:52:02] | wagnerrp: | your joggler is not using VDPAU for video |
| [20:52:12] | justinh: | been said that if you need test gear to spot quality differences you need to GET A LIFE |
| [20:52:12] | wagnerrp: | its failing through to the Xv rule at the bottom of the list |
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| [20:55:39] | skd5aner: | hehe |
| [20:59:02] | Beirdo: | sphery: this little box has atom D510... dual core, hyperthreaded. Linux sees it as 4 CPUs :) |
| [20:59:33] | ** dustybin fiddles with Beirdo box ** | |
| [20:59:34] | Beirdo: | Max TDP 13W |
| [20:59:42] | Beirdo: | perv |
| [20:59:51] | EvilGuru: | 1996 called, they want their CPU back :P |
| [20:59:58] | wagnerrp: | wait... i thought you were male |
| [21:00:14] | Beirdo: | get over it, this is a Q1'10 processor |
| [21:00:19] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [21:00:19] | EvilGuru: | (At least I think OOE came in 1995–1995.) |
| [21:00:28] | Beirdo: | and does VT-x |
| [21:00:55] | Beirdo: | and is 64-bit |
| [21:01:20] | Beirdo: | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43098 |
| [21:01:24] | EvilGuru: | And is so crippled it needs special dispatchers in glibc to work around some of poor instructions |
| [21:01:47] | sidh: | Beirdo: i wish yu you won't have the bad experience i had with intel D945GCLF2 intel's atom MB and his shitty S-VIDEO output |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | language... |
| [21:02:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont see VT-x in the supported list |
| [21:02:20] | EvilGuru: | That, combined with a lack of out of order execution and a limited number of ALUs make it a poor chip |
| [21:02:30] | Beirdo: | ah, I went cross-eyed, you are right |
| [21:02:40] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [21:02:45] | wagnerrp: | not that i would run virtualization, much less on such a platform |
| [21:03:01] | Beirdo: | it will make an excellent firewall |
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| [21:03:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah, shouldnt be any problems with that |
| [21:03:21] | Beirdo: | now stop with the blid hate :) |
| [21:03:23] | wagnerrp: | maybe a bit overpowered |
| [21:03:25] | EvilGuru: | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/917801 . . . m_processors |
| [21:03:37] | wagnerrp: | a whole 13W for a firewall? tsk tsk... |
| [21:03:45] | Beirdo: | yeah hehe |
| [21:06:07] | Beirdo: | shame on me |
| [21:06:23] | Beirdo: | but... I need blank CD to install smoothwall |
| [21:06:25] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [21:06:30] | Beirdo: | grr. |
| [21:06:55] | Beirdo: | I'm almost feeling well enough to go get hosed by Walgreens for a couple |
| [21:07:01] | EvilGuru: | Beirdo: smoothwall? Is that related to shorewall? |
| [21:07:11] | Beirdo: | don't think so |
| [21:07:18] | sidh: | Beirdo: go with PF |
| [21:07:23] | Beirdo: | I may try shorewall |
| [21:07:24] | Beirdo: | can't |
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| [21:07:49] | Beirdo: | Freebsd (at least in monowall) has no drivers for the NIC or the wireless |
| [21:08:09] | sidh: | PFSense is a good starting point if you need web based administration |
| [21:08:24] | sidh: | Beirdo: are ou joking ? |
| [21:08:33] | Beirdo: | no I'm not joking |
| [21:08:47] | Beirdo: | I installed monowall, and it didn't see either interface |
| [21:09:19] | Beirdo: | gimme a sec |
| [21:09:22] | sidh: | what kind of hardware ? |
| [21:10:02] | Beirdo: | Realtek 8171 for wireless |
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| [21:11:02] | Beirdo: | Attansic 1063?! as ethernet |
| [21:11:13] | Beirdo: | using atl1c Linux driver |
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| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | Atheros, I think |
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| [21:13:19] | sidh: | well atheros is quite well supported on FreeBSD |
| [21:13:31] | sidh: | depends however on the chips |
| [21:13:35] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [21:13:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i would say part of the problem is monowall is an 8MB installer |
| [21:14:16] | sidh: | i've bought very good atheros mini pci nic for my laptop |
| [21:14:17] | wagnerrp: | its probably specially designed for a couple platforms |
| [21:14:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:14:26] | wagnerrp: | and has all the other drivers stripped out |
| [21:14:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, the installer may just suck, true |
| [21:15:01] | Beirdo: | but with neither interface available, what to do? |
| [21:15:05] | sidh: | Beirdo: if you have one hour , give try to pfsense |
| [21:15:29] | wagnerrp: | for example, ive got 25MB of kernel modules on my (stripped down) freebsd install |
| [21:15:39] | wagnerrp: | ive got 250MB of kernel modules on my stock install |
| [21:16:38] | Beirdo: | still dunno if the Realtek 8171 will work in FreeBSD though |
| [21:17:08] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems when i strip out the debug symbols, its only 43M |
| [21:17:23] | wagnerrp: | but still, thats FAR more than the 8MB for the entire system monowall gives you |
| [21:17:38] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:18:13] | wagnerrp: | 8171? not heard of that model |
| [21:18:44] | Beirdo: | well, the sticker on the box says Realtek 8191SE |
| [21:18:48] | sidh: | Beirdo: Realtek provide very bad drivers in general |
| [21:18:50] | Beirdo: | but lspci says 8171 |
| [21:18:59] | ** wagnerrp rants a bit more about not having FIOS ** | |
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| [21:19:22] | Beirdo: | OK, explain to me which image to grab :) |
| [21:19:42] | Beirdo: | the 1g, 2g, etc... is that drive space or memory? |
| [21:19:56] | wagnerrp: | i assume disk space |
| [21:20:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:20:11] | wagnerrp: | ive got no problem running my fairly stock bsd install on my 256MB firewall |
| [21:20:18] | sidh: | intel NIC , sangoma, 3com are far better performant |
| [21:20:20] | Beirdo: | well, I have a 160GB drive in there |
| [21:20:28] | wagnerrp: | i think it uses like 50MB of actual memory |
| [21:20:29] | sidh: | Beirdo: for pfsense go with the embed image |
| [21:20:29] | Beirdo: | yeah too bad, it's built-in ;) |
| [21:20:37] | sidh: | 128 MB iirc |
| [21:20:42] | wagnerrp: | and the rest is taken by BIND and disk cache |
| [21:20:42] | Beirdo: | I don't see an embed image |
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| [21:21:01] | Beirdo: | ftp://reflection.ncsa.uiuc.edu/pub/pfSense/downloads |
| [21:21:12] | Beirdo: | the first US mirror I found |
| [21:21:38] | sidh: | maybe i had to make it myself from a iso |
| [21:21:46] | sidh: | i check the wiki |
| [21:22:27] | Beirdo: | unless those 1g, 2g, etc are embedded images |
| [21:22:51] | Beirdo: | I'm not doing CompactFLASH |
| [21:23:07] | Beirdo: | there's a real SATA 2.5" drive in there |
| [21:23:09] | sidh: | http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/HOWTO_Install_pfSense |
| [21:23:26] | sidh: | ahhh ok sorry i use soekris net5501 |
| [21:23:47] | sidh: | with CF card and syslog-ng |
| [21:26:39] | Beirdo: | I used openbsd with pf for quite some time |
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| [21:26:55] | Beirdo: | as long as aiccu will work, all is good |
| [21:27:31] | sidh: | Beirdo: yes if you don't need web based admin (that 's bad) openbsd is the royal way |
| [21:28:17] | Beirdo: | but I don't feel like using OpenBSD right now |
| [21:28:19] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [21:28:36] | Beirdo: | FreeBSD is bad enough |
| [21:28:55] | johnnyj: | ha |
| [21:29:10] | johnnyj: | the list is discussing the analog hole again |
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| [21:31:15] | Beirdo: | survey says.. the 4g in the filename is the image size when uncompressed to disk |
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| [21:32:58] | Beirdo: | lets see if it will boot... |
| [21:33:16] | Beirdo: | blinky cursor, noting more |
| [21:35:41] | Beirdo: | nope, not booting |
| [21:39:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont like how people call it a 'loophole' |
| [21:39:13] | wagnerrp: | its not a loophole, its just recording what comes off your cable box |
| [21:39:22] | wagnerrp: | youre just continuing to do the same thing youve done for decades |
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| [21:43:45] | ** Beirdo shakes his head at pfSense ** | |
| [21:44:27] | Beirdo: | unless I just installed some customized garbage image, it won't even boot |
| [21:44:55] | wagnerrp: | cant say ive ever used any of those |
| [21:45:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:45:58] | Beirdo: | well, I like the idea of installing via dd |
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| [21:46:06] | Beirdo: | but it ain't workin |
| [21:47:16] | Beirdo: | ugh, nap time |
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| [21:55:43] | EvilGuru: | Ugh. WD can be stupid sometimes. My new Caviar Green disk parks the heads after 8s |
| [21:56:21] | EvilGuru: | At this rate (1500 cycles over three days) the drive will be on its last legs in a couple of years |
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| [21:59:02] | sphery: | EvilGuru: WDIDLE3 |
| [21:59:39] | sphery: | Note, also, that I'm not recommending that approach. Any consequences of your choosing to do so are your own fault. :) |
| [22:00:36] | dustybin: | my joggler will switch on BBC1 at 6:30am |
| [22:00:37] | dustybin: | 30 6 * * 1–5 /home/joggler/alarm.sh |
| [22:00:47] | dustybin: | mythtv frontend alarm clock ftw :D |
| [22:01:06] | EvilGuru: | I wonder why the designed a drive like that? Surely they must know that a high load count causes death |
| [22:02:26] | EvilGuru: | It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't put the root partition on it, however, it is unlikely that root will go for more than 10–15s without a write |
| [22:03:05] | ** sphery tends to expect that the designers/manufacturers of a drive know more about the drive than I do ** | |
| [22:03:25] | sphery: | in other words, I have a feeling if they designed it that way, it's not going to be a problem |
| [22:03:39] | EvilGuru: | sphery: The spec sheet lists 300,000 |
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| [22:08:59] | dustybin: | my joggler keeps pausing because of LOTS and LOTS of these |
| [22:09:00] | dustybin: | 2010-06–22 23:07:27.758 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [22:09:02] | dustybin: | 2010-06–22 23:07:27.758 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [22:09:17] | dustybin: | am i right in thinking that this has nothing to do with my graphics?! |
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| [22:17:40] | dustybin: | i swapped to /dev/dsp, seems ok now |
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| [22:19:56] | ** dustybin goes to bend and looks forward to being woken up by his bedside frontend ** | |
| [22:19:59] | dustybin: | nn |
| [22:20:01] | dustybin: | *bed |
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| [23:01:25] | EvilGuru: | With 0.21 I used to run the frontend in a window. Sometimes I used to move the window about. With 0.23 if I move a playback window and then exit the playback the menu window snaps back to where it was before I moved it |
| [23:01:35] | EvilGuru: | As if playback and menu's use two different windows internally |
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| [23:29:56] | Rebecca: | k-man: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Leadtek_Winfast_DTV_Dongle_Gold <- one of them |
| [23:32:20] | Rebecca: | which is being sold by MSY for 35au$ |
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| [23:45:49] | Beirdo: | pfSense also doesn't see the interfaces |
| [23:45:52] | Beirdo: | next |
| [23:46:41] | ** Beirdo makes rude gestures towards FreeBSD ** | |
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| [23:53:59] | nichos: | hi all, i've been having nothing but problems with my HVR-2250. I've done a few re-installs and I continue to have issues. I keep losing my device. That is, when I go to setup and select DVR, sometimes adapter0 is avail, sometimes not |
| [23:54:35] | nichos: | ive had it working, but then it will myth frontend & backend will crash while watching TV, and the cards are gone. |
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