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| [00:21:14] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: did you want the function to return the blocks of worthwhile video? or the blocks of video that would be cut? |
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| [00:28:12] | tweek__: | either-or would be fine, but here's the patch I have thus far |
| [00:28:49] | tweek__: | http://codepad.org/AutpPzPL |
| [00:29:40] | wagnerrp: | recordrating? |
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| [00:30:42] | tweek__: | yeah, it's a table that contains V-CHIP / MPAA / etc. ratings |
| [00:30:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont think weve got one of those anymore |
| [00:31:13] | tweek__: | figured it might be useful as metadata. anything that AtomicParsley can stuff into an MP4, I'd like to get |
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| [00:34:55] | wagnerrp: | huh... dont know why i dont have a recordedrating |
| [00:35:28] | tweek__: | I'm using 0.23, the trunk probably has all sorts of new stuff |
| [00:35:46] | Beirdo2: | Cool. I can see my apt building from my seat for the game. |
| [00:36:06] | tweek__: | I read that as 'I can see my apartment burning from the game' |
| [00:36:11] | tweek__: | baseball I take it? |
| [00:36:13] | wagnerrp: | last time recordedrating was touch was 1226, fairly long time ago, during development of 0.22 |
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| [00:36:33] | Beirdo2: | Heh. Yeah. Mariners vs reds. |
| [00:36:41] | tweek__: | that'd explain why you're on IRC |
| [00:36:41] | wagnerrp: | how'd we do? |
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| [00:37:02] | tweek__: | went to a Twins game a few weeks back. new stadium was kind of cool I guess |
| [00:37:08] | Beirdo2: | It starts in 90 min or so |
| [00:37:20] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre on your phone |
| [00:37:35] | Beirdo2: | Yup :) |
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| [00:38:01] | wagnerrp: | bah... nevermind |
| [00:38:04] | tweek__: | anyway, recordedrating just has chanid, starttime, system (meaning, 'VCHIP', 'MPAA', the other rating systems used by other countries) and rating |
| [00:38:05] | wagnerrp: | i was searching for recordrating |
| [00:38:19] | tweek__: | pretty small table, usually each program has only one rating |
| [00:39:20] | Beirdo2: | Ohhh some Seattle music. |
| [00:40:45] | Beirdo2: | I'm sure I'll be back later. |
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| [00:41:12] | wagnerrp: | id have to ask some higher ups about recordedrating |
| [00:41:21] | wagnerrp: | the DBData class requires something be unique |
| [00:41:46] | wagnerrp: | dont know if thats guaranteed to be the case |
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| [00:55:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you might find this interesting for getting rid of that videoinfo crap in the perl bindings |
| [00:55:41] | wagnerrp: | seems the resolution is available through the markup table |
| [01:02:01] | wagnerrp: | those have been in there for a while... well just what enum list was i looking at before? |
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| [01:15:29] | jokajak: | has anyone run in to problems with 0.23 and MythSocket readListString errors? |
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| [01:51:41] | rhollan: | Hmm. |
| [01:51:57] | rhollan: | How can I have my ripped DVDs sorted by title and subtitle in the list menu? |
| [01:52:35] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | DVDs have subtitles? |
| [01:52:57] | wagnerrp: | sure they do, how else would deaf people watch them? |
| [01:53:11] | rhollan: | No, the organization system that myth uses |
| [01:53:20] | rhollan: | It lets you assign title and subtitle |
| [01:53:54] | rhollan: | Also, can I rename and rescan my .iso rips with impunity or will mythtv barf |
| [01:54:10] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [01:54:17] | rhollan: | 0.23 + updates |
| [01:54:23] | wagnerrp: | at will, no problem |
| [01:54:44] | rhollan: | I guess the association with metadata will be lost for those that are renamed, though, no? |
| [01:55:02] | wagnerrp: | incorrect |
| [01:55:15] | rhollan: | it will be kept? |
| [01:55:19] | rhollan: | cool! |
| [01:55:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will recognize the old files in their new location, and update |
| [01:55:26] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, I meant title/subtitle type titles. |
| [01:55:46] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Well, .isos don't work with storage groups, unless that changed, and I missed it. |
| [01:55:48] | wagnerrp: | i know... |
| [01:56:00] | tweek__: | I take it there's no good OCR bitmap sub -> SRT conversion solutions out there? |
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| [01:56:34] | wagnerrp: | subrip, as the creator of the format |
| [01:56:51] | wagnerrp: | better option would be to forgot the whole tedious process, and mux in the original bitmaps directly |
| [01:57:04] | tweek__: | guess so |
| [01:57:12] | tweek__: | can bitmap subs be muxed into an MPEG-4? |
| [01:57:21] | tweek__: | trying to think ahead |
| [01:58:02] | wagnerrp: | believe so |
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| [02:48:51] | wagnerrp: | someone needs a beating... http://gizmodo.com/5567869/ |
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| [02:51:46] | emmanuelux: | hello my mouse pointer is not displayed |
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| [02:52:10] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend's default setting is to hide the mouse pointer |
| [02:52:26] | wagnerrp: | that can be changed in the appearance settings in the frontend settings |
| [02:52:55] | rhollan: | can I get it to respond to the mouse too.. yes, yes? |
| [02:53:14] | wagnerrp: | it will respond to mouse inputs even without the cursor being visible |
| [02:53:17] | rhollan: | I have a lenovo remote that is much easier to use by the mouse part |
| [02:53:25] | rhollan: | let me try |
| [02:53:31] | wagnerrp: | its just a bit hard to know what you are about to click on... (unless you are using a touch screen) |
| [02:53:58] | achew22: | is there any way to hit escape with the mouse? |
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| [02:54:11] | wagnerrp: | you can map it to one of the available gestures |
| [02:54:30] | wagnerrp: | theres supposed to be 64 available gestures, but theres really only like 7 |
| [02:54:41] | achew22: | as of a few weeks ago the key mapping stuff wouldn't bind |
| [02:54:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, wouldnt know about that |
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| [02:55:04] | achew22: | err.. the gestures wouldn't bind |
| [02:55:28] | achew22: | or is that a trunk thing? |
| [02:56:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont think anything has changes as far as those are concerned |
| [02:56:23] | rhollan: | er, WHERE in the setup menu is it? I can't find it. Or is it part of mythtv-setup? |
| [02:56:49] | achew22: | rhollan: it is in appearances in mythfrontend |
| [02:57:33] | achew22: | wagnerrp: the console says "Gesture: Left" and i'm in the edit keys page but it wont let me make that behave as the escape key |
| [03:00:03] | rhollan: | achew22: which screen? Can't find it at all, though after what appears to be the last screen, it looks like it skips to one more and exits immediately |
| [03:00:24] | achew22: | maybe the 3rd screen on the right hand side column |
| [03:00:27] | high-rez: | Hah, mythtv wants to record <blah> in %d seconds :) |
| [03:00:29] | achew22: | it is a checkbox |
| [03:03:33] | rhollan: | I have the following screens: Theme, Screen Settings, Video Mode Settings, Localization, QT, LCD Device Display, and that's it. |
| [03:04:06] | achew22: | page 2: Screen settings |
| [03:04:14] | achew22: | there is a checkbox on the right column |
| [03:04:20] | achew22: | titled "Hide mouse cursor in MythTV" |
| [03:04:23] | achew22: | uncheck that box |
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| [03:08:27] | rhollan: | Ah. Found it. It looked like a SINGLE column with enable/disable checkboxes for the option. I didn't read closely enough. |
| [03:08:43] | achew22: | next time, please look |
| [03:15:49] | rhollan: | I did, I really didn;t see what the text said. Once you pointed out the specific screen, I looked harder. |
| [03:16:06] | rhollan: | Blech. FE crashed on a metadata edit |
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| [04:39:51] | Beirdo2: | Nice. Second straight complete game win for the mariners |
| [04:40:40] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you mentioned looking for an alternative to the videoinfo crap in the perl bindings? |
| [04:41:06] | Beirdo2: | Perhaps :) |
| [04:41:20] | wagnerrp: | apparently the recordedmarkup table includes the resolution |
| [04:42:04] | Beirdo2: | Hmm. We still need other details that aren't there yet I think |
| [04:42:32] | wagnerrp: | well its a start |
| [04:42:33] | Beirdo2: | I'll take a look in a bit when I get home |
| [04:43:51] | Beirdo2: | Be back in a bit |
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| [04:45:04] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: ive put this into the bindings... http://codepad.org/0NkDB1gJ |
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| [04:51:30] | tweek__: | that looks a lot better than anything I could have come up with, thanks |
| [04:53:03] | wagnerrp: | it wont convert to time codes at the moment though |
| [04:53:40] | wagnerrp: | but its a fair bit more resilient, can handle spurious start/end points in the middle of a cut |
| [04:53:51] | wagnerrp: | or cuts with no start or end |
| [04:53:57] | wagnerrp: | (beginning and end of file)\ |
| [05:01:51] | wagnerrp: | havent heard back about recordedrating from someone who knows more about the schema than i |
| [05:03:06] | wagnerrp: | at the very least it would have to index off of chanid, starttime, and system |
| [05:03:14] | wagnerrp: | leaving rating as the old real data value |
| [05:03:17] | wagnerrp: | seems a bit foolish |
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| [05:03:45] | wagnerrp: | better to use a DBDataRef for that |
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| [05:21:29] | benklop: | hey guys |
| [05:22:31] | benklop: | i'm using djmount to use mythvideo to browse upnp, but it takes extremely long for mythvideo to load now. is there any way I can make mythvideo only try to load one directlry level at a time? |
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| [05:22:51] | benklop: | or maybe a better way to do what im doing? |
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| [05:24:26] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo does not scan the directory structure when you enter it |
| [05:24:36] | benklop: | hmm. |
| [05:24:37] | wagnerrp: | it pulls everything from the database |
| [05:24:50] | wagnerrp: | unless of course you have it in 'browse' mode |
| [05:24:56] | benklop: | what does it do in file browse mode? |
| [05:25:07] | benklop: | yeah, shich is what i've got |
| [05:25:08] | wagnerrp: | access the directory structure every time you enter it |
| [05:25:26] | wagnerrp: | why arent you using more conventional methods of accessing the content? |
| [05:25:30] | benklop: | the entire structure, or one level at a time as you browse? |
| [05:25:40] | wagnerrp: | like just mount the files over NFS or CIFS |
| [05:25:46] | wagnerrp: | the entire structure at once |
| [05:25:51] | benklop: | i'm testing out using playon to get access to netflix content |
| [05:26:39] | wagnerrp: | benklop: only way youre really going to get good use out of something like that is a real upnp frontend |
| [05:26:45] | wagnerrp: | which myth currently doesnt have |
| [05:27:12] | benklop: | i'm actually somewhat surprised by that fact |
| [05:27:32] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: for a sorted list of cast members, you may want to try 'sorted(rec.cast, key=lambda m: m.person)' |
| [05:27:38] | wagnerrp: | benklop: why? |
| [05:27:52] | wagnerrp: | why use does mythtv have as a upnp client? |
| [05:28:08] | benklop: | wagnerrp: i dont know, because it seems like a upnp browser is included in everything these days |
| [05:28:37] | wagnerrp: | when myth expects it is going to be managing all your content, theres no real use for one |
| [05:28:44] | benklop: | true |
| [05:28:59] | wagnerrp: | and for what its worth, i really dont understand how playon hasnt been sued out of existence |
| [05:29:18] | benklop: | and that's how I have used myth to date, but i hate paying for something I cant use with netflix streaming |
| [05:29:28] | benklop: | actually I have been wondering that myself |
| [05:30:06] | wagnerrp: | especially considering theyre located in new york |
| [05:30:24] | benklop: | esp. since it accows access to hulu as well ,and boxee had to stop distributing their hulu plugin |
| [05:32:21] | benklop: | well, i'll keep laying with this for a bit, since the conent is accessable from the box, it seems a shame if it ultimately isnt going to pan out |
| [05:32:31] | benklop: | er playing |
| [05:34:47] | wagnerrp: | 'the folks at mediamall informed us that they are an official microsoft licensee and that mediamall is "fully above board with microsoft"' |
| [05:34:49] | wagnerrp: | whatever that means |
| [05:35:18] | wagnerrp: | the simple fact is that playon strips all forms of DRM from the content on those sites |
| [05:35:25] | benklop: | yep |
| [05:35:39] | wagnerrp: | i cannot believe the content providers would authorize such a thing |
| [05:36:30] | benklop: | i doubt they have.. |
| [05:37:32] | benklop: | and if they have, then there is something more underhanded going on |
| [05:38:02] | wagnerrp: | what else was tweek__ looking for.... |
| [05:38:08] | wagnerrp: | ah, credentials |
| [05:38:31] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: if you dont want to manually create the config.xml, you can just feed in the credentials when you open the connection |
| [05:38:34] | tweek__: | yep |
| [05:39:17] | tweek__: | I wasn't making any sort of a demand, just wanted to show a patch I was using to do some stuff |
| [05:39:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do it that way, MythDB accepts the keywords DBHostName, DBName, DBUserName, and DBPassword |
| [05:40:07] | wagnerrp: | i should split out the config.xml generator to a separate function, im sure there would be use for making that somewhere |
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| [05:50:28] | rhollan: | Ahhhhh! Actually enjoying MythTV instead of trying to get it to work. (Watching Sweeny Todd) |
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| [05:55:46] | Beirdo: | OK.... home |
| [05:56:23] | Pr3nt1c3: | this bites... my local computer stores, and the weekend computer market only sell DVB-T cards which aren't supported by mythtv |
| [05:56:29] | Pr3nt1c3: | talk about bad luck |
| [05:56:53] | Pr3nt1c3: | I really don't want to have ton install xp just to record my fav. shows |
| [05:57:18] | Beirdo: | you can order off the internet though, presumably |
| [05:57:45] | Pr3nt1c3: | don't have a creditcard or paypal acct |
| [05:57:58] | Pr3nt1c3: | I'll just keep hassling the local stores until one orders in the right cards |
| [05:58:01] | Beirdo: | that does present a problem |
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| [06:03:34] | Pr3nt1c3: | I got a $30 refund because the last card I bought _was_ supported... but now isn't... and the cheaper card I was given... is also unsupported |
| [06:03:53] | Pr3nt1c3: | it's sitting in the pci slot atm... not even picked-up under the lspci cmd |
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| [06:24:41] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [06:25:16] | Beirdo: | if it's in the PCI slot, and lspci doesn't see it, either the card is toast, or the motherboard is |
| [06:25:38] | Beirdo: | or the card isn't all the way into the slot, the contacts are dirty... or something |
| [06:25:47] | Pr3nt1c3: | wasn't thinking when I exchanged the card... there's no support for this card (WinFast DTV1000S) |
| [06:26:05] | Beirdo: | !url tuners |
| [06:26:05] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [06:26:17] | Pr3nt1c3: | ubuntu doesn't even recognise the hardware and isn't willing / able to install the DVB drivers |
| [06:26:23] | Beirdo: | no |
| [06:26:39] | Beirdo: | if lspci doesn't see it, it has NOTHING to do with Ubuntu |
| [06:26:53] | Beirdo: | that means the PCI bus doesn't see it |
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| [06:27:48] | Beirdo: | that tuner is listed as supported by linuxtv.org |
| [06:28:10] | Beirdo: | if lspci doesn't see it, you have a hardware issue |
| [06:28:24] | Pr3nt1c3: | then I have a h/w issue |
| [06:28:41] | Beirdo: | first thing to try... |
| [06:28:50] | Beirdo: | remove the card, clean the contacts |
| [06:29:03] | Beirdo: | q-tip and rubbing alcohol works well |
| [06:29:16] | Beirdo: | then reinsert it and make sure it goes all the way in |
| [06:29:29] | Beirdo: | if it still doesn't see it, try a different slot |
| [06:29:30] | Pr3nt1c3: | I'll try it again in the next hour |
| [06:29:38] | Pr3nt1c3: | yeah, might have to |
| [06:30:43] | Pr3nt1c3: | hmm... gonna have to spend a little while @ kernellabs to figure out exactly what I have to d/l and make to get this card to work |
| [06:31:05] | Beirdo: | if it won't work in any slot to the point of seeing it in lspci... |
| [06:31:17] | Beirdo: | make sure SOME card will work in those slots |
| [06:31:34] | Beirdo: | if so, it would be my suspicion the card itself is borked. |
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| [06:33:38] | Pr3nt1c3: | the help is very much appreciated |
| [06:34:09] | Beirdo: | no problem |
| [06:34:28] | Beirdo: | if NO PCI cards will work, it could be the motherboard/BIOS |
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| [06:38:33] | somethinginteres: | hi all I am getting a green line on the left-side of my World Cup recordings. Searching the mailing list I found overscan might fix this problem? If so, is it possible to apply it just to recordings from a particular channel? Thanks. |
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| [06:45:21] | Pr3nt1c3: | and now it's showing up under lspci |
| [06:45:24] | Pr3nt1c3: | go figure |
| [06:46:32] | Pr3nt1c3: | so, I extract the files from that site... into /usr/?/DVB... then run a make, make install right? |
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| [07:07:48] | antonella: | hi everybody! |
| [07:08:02] | cesman: | hello antonella |
| [07:08:24] | antonella: | hey! |
| [07:08:41] | antonella: | 1st steps for me on mythbuntu... |
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| [07:20:25] | ** Pr3nt1c3 is now setting up an XP VM just so he can watch Digital TV ** | |
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| [07:28:22] | Beirdo: | Pr3nt1c3: not sure on the install steps for the drivers. I'm sure they have documentation, no? |
| [07:29:22] | Pr3nt1c3: | documentation is a little light... hence why I'm setting up an XP VM |
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| [07:36:16] | justinh: | Pr3nt1c3: yeah, way to get help on mythtv – come in here moaning the zillions of wiki pages are 'light' documentation & then proclaim you're going with XP |
| [07:36:42] | Pr3nt1c3: | If I'd been less of a noob... I woulda done my own make, make install |
| [07:37:09] | Pr3nt1c3: | but I'm tired... haven't slept in 3 days... and I've been through 2 cards which don't simply 'work' |
| [07:37:20] | justinh: | 1st step. check the linuxtv.org wiki |
| [07:37:21] | Pr3nt1c3: | so a VM is loking kinda tempting atm |
| [07:37:31] | justinh: | and that's *before* you buy anything |
| [07:37:45] | justinh: | if you've bought a card that doesn't work in linux, too bad :) |
| [07:37:53] | Pr3nt1c3: | can't argue |
| [07:38:24] | justinh: | once you've got a card which allegedly works in linux, *test* it on linux before even setting foot near mythtv |
| [07:38:52] | justinh: | that way you know the hardware works before trying to figure out if you've got a messed up config in mythtv |
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| [07:40:28] | justinh: | until somebody starts collecting verifiable data about who has what hardware working on a mythtv system, the above method is going to remain the #1 safest bet |
| [07:40:41] | Pr3nt1c3: | I actually did that with my prev card... but despite doing good research... the card refused to pick-up any stations |
| [07:41:08] | justinh: | try plugging in the antenna? ;-) |
| [07:41:51] | justinh: | or use a *proper* antenna.. those stick things which come with some tuners are... for the want of a more offensive word... *useless* |
| [07:44:08] | justinh: | oh and btw refusing to pick up any stations.. that could be due to any number of problems. like drivers not working cos the card firmware hasn't been loaded, using the wrong scan parameters... you name it |
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| [07:46:25] | antonella: | i'm on a hp pavillion dv6000, how can I make multimedia keys work? |
| [07:47:45] | justinh: | heh a HP system owner using linux.. whatever next? |
| [07:48:39] | antonella: | eheh |
| [07:49:16] | antonella: | sometimes I try to move to linux, but it's always hard... |
| [07:49:50] | justinh: | anything is harder than double clicking on setup.exe & ignoring a license agreement |
| [07:50:33] | antonella: | yep |
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| [07:50:56] | Pr3nt1c3: | "stingray" -> youtube |
| [07:51:05] | antonella: | but i'm at a good point |
| [07:51:09] | antonella: | i'm on mythbuntu |
| [07:51:46] | antonella: | i have only media keys missing and lacking dvd play on myth |
| [07:52:20] | antonella: | oh, and the screen that goes blank without to shut when energy saving |
| [07:52:23] | justinh: | you prolly need that lib dvd css thingy |
| [07:52:39] | justinh: | energy saving? wossat?! |
| [07:52:45] | antonella: | i got libdvdcss2 |
| [07:53:48] | antonella: | for example, when the screen should be switched off cause it's idle, it becomes black but doesn't shutdown |
| [07:54:06] | justinh: | your monitor has to support it |
| [07:54:17] | antonella: | of course it supports |
| [07:54:21] | justinh: | anyway that's just a screensaver setting |
| [07:54:31] | antonella: | mmm... |
| [07:54:43] | justinh: | there's 'blank screen' and an actual setting for 'power off monitor' |
| [07:54:48] | antonella: | let me check |
| [07:57:00] | antonella: | i'm not practical on xfce... where's that? |
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| [08:01:07] | justinh: | I dunno where it is. I don't use xfce |
| [08:01:59] | clever: | either way, all frontends use the same X11 commands as xset, so you could just do it from a terminal using xset directly |
| [08:02:56] | justinh: | it's possibly configurable from the MCC |
| [08:03:16] | Bazil_: | morning guyes |
| [08:04:13] | rhollan: | hi antonella.... now is time for me to say "notte". Almost 1AM here |
| [08:05:12] | rhollan: | keep at it. Linux isn't always easy, but it is worth it. |
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| [08:06:32] | justinh: | heh apparently to change screensaver settings in xfce you just right click anywhere on the desktop & select the 'Settings' then the 'Screensave settings' menu |
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| [08:08:54] | justinh: | google knows loads of stuff! :-O |
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| [08:12:03] | antonella: | hey rhollan... so have a goodnight! |
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| [08:38:48] | justinh: | heh just realised I hadn't transferred my jump point keybindings to the new frontend incarnation. one method I'd never recommend anybody tries at home later and.. .voila! |
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| [09:16:25] | antonella: | damn... i'm going to install kubuntu and then add mythbuntu... |
| [09:19:34] | blizzard_: | does mythtv require the same version of both front and backend? |
| [09:20:04] | clever: | blizzard_: yes |
| [09:20:07] | blizzard_: | running debian in general so versions adds up nice, but I have one ubuntu FE which complains "other version of database schema" or similar |
| [09:20:10] | blizzard_: | ah craps |
| [09:20:39] | clever: | one easy way to fix that is to compile the same source version and install it on every system |
| [09:20:46] | blizzard_: | not OK if the fronend version is newer than the backend? |
| [09:20:47] | clever: | or try using the debian packages on the ubuntu frontend |
| [09:21:03] | blizzard_: | I guess I will do that, I want to be using packages instead of source |
| [09:21:09] | blizzard_: | to simplify things |
| [09:21:11] | clever: | correct, if you run something newer and update the DB, everything older will break |
| [09:21:34] | blizzard_: | so requirements are: same version as BE or newer? |
| [09:21:43] | clever: | everything must be running the identical version |
| [09:21:47] | clever: | cant be newer or older |
| [09:22:07] | blizzard_: | okee |
| [09:22:16] | blizzard_: | Thought so |
| [09:22:28] | blizzard_: | was a lil surprised that ubuntu had an "older" version than debian stable |
| [09:22:35] | blizzard_: | but then it's prolly the other way around |
| [09:22:49] | blizzard_: | not the same tho, should be able to use an older package tho |
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| [09:22:55] | clever: | an easy way to check the versions would be to run mythfrontend --version |
| [09:23:10] | blizzard_: | yep |
| [09:23:16] | blizzard_: | or check package version |
| [09:23:30] | blizzard_: | wanted to verify that the case was that it needed to be the exact same version first |
| [09:23:41] | blizzard_: | since the error message only states that the db schema version on the backend differs |
| [09:23:56] | clever: | the main thing is that the DB version and network version match, without that, it will refuse to even try working |
| [09:24:07] | blizzard_: | mm |
| [09:24:36] | blizzard_: | brb, gonna try some stuff =) |
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| [09:30:55] | fthiessen: | hi, for one reason or another I'm unable to find the screen that allows me to set filters. I'm in the playback setup screen under TV, which shows 8 pages but none of them seem to let me set filters. I'm running the mythbuntu 10.04 version. Any ideas? |
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| [12:21:48] | dustybin: | is VideoArtworkDir: the Coverart directory as defined in storage groups? |
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| [15:01:41] | BaronM: | Hi there. I have a strange issue with mythfrontend 0.23 and LIRC on Ubuntu 10.04. Intensive Google search provides no solutions: irw and ircat returns correct keys (!!!) from the remote, but in mythfrontend only the LEFT button works. Any hints? |
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| [16:05:23] | rhollan: | Today's project: getting LIRC working with an MCE remote. |
| [16:05:48] | rhollan: | I have a Lenovo "keymouse", but I find it a bit awkward to use, even if I use just the mouse part. |
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| [16:21:20] | wagnerrp: | BaronM: sounds like you have not set up your lircrc file |
| [16:22:03] | bradd: | hmm thats odd. did the freqid field always need to be populated for external channel changers to work? or did my database somehow delete all of them? |
| [16:22:49] | rhollan: | hmm no go lirc/mce for me |
| [16:23:41] | rhollan: | I don't get config menu when I try to reconfigure the package, and the ID looks wierd, though lsusb finds something, and dmesg shows a mceusb driver loaded |
| [16:24:43] | rhollan: | idea? |
| [16:24:55] | justinh: | bradd: yeah external channel changers have always worked on the freqid field |
| [16:25:01] | bradd: | hmm odd |
| [16:25:11] | rhollan: | sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source builds a bunch of stuff but does not offer the purported menu |
| [16:25:30] | justinh: | bradd: but just because you don't think you've ever populated it – doesn't mean it never was ;) |
| [16:26:11] | rhollan: | lirc_mceusb[3]: Formosa21 eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb4:3 |
| [16:26:18] | rhollan: | so lirc sees something |
| [16:26:46] | bradd: | apparently it had to be populated since its been working for years.. |
| [16:26:53] | bradd: | not sure what happened |
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| [16:28:46] | justinh: | god, WHY do I bother putting ANY info on a website?! People are emailing to ask the very stuff which is on the site |
| [16:28:55] | bradd: | previous backups indicate indeed it was populated |
| [16:29:04] | justinh: | and no, it's not hidden in code on some hard to reach page |
| [16:29:08] | justinh: | MUPPETS |
| [16:30:22] | BaronM: | wagnerrp: Hm, I did following to exclude that theory: I used ircat with the valid lircrc file and all output is correct. But I found that with the 2.6.32 kernel something has changed. I killed lirc and pressed the remote buttons and they appeared in the shell window. |
| [16:30:55] | BaronM: | So it seems to be an issue with the kernel... IOCTL |
| [16:31:21] | BaronM: | .oO( Never touch a running system ) |
| [16:31:28] | rhollan: | AH! Instructions weer out of date I needed to reconfigure lirc not lirc-module-sources. I guess lirc was already installed |
| [16:31:58] | justinh: | haven't had to install lirc with that module-assistant stuff for as long as I can remember |
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| [16:35:47] | justinh: | really narked about these enquiry emails now. Maybe the site needs a FAQ section. Not that the intellect of these people likely works like that |
| [16:37:18] | rhollan: | justinh: that's the trouble with Google: it finds out of date stuff |
| [16:37:23] | wagnerrp: | BaronM: are you sure mythtv is actually finding and loading the lircrc file? |
| [16:37:28] | wagnerrp: | it needs to be in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:37:39] | wagnerrp: | you should see a comment in the frontend logs on startup about it loading that file |
| [16:37:52] | justinh: | I thought it also looked in ~/.lircrc |
| [16:38:06] | wagnerrp: | no, most applications use ~/.lircrc, mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:38:17] | wagnerrp: | some distros automatically symlink one to the other |
| [16:38:20] | justinh: | since I don't use external programs anymore I just use ~/.mythtv/lircrc anyway |
| [16:38:57] | rhollan: | so, lemme guess /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and /etc/lirc/lircd.conf configure the remote and .lircrc configures the mappings for each user? |
| [16:39:25] | justinh: | basically yes |
| [16:40:09] | rhollan: | Ah, so I need a .lircrc then: irw now works for me. |
| [16:40:47] | Beirdo: | hahahahahah |
| [16:40:55] | Beirdo: | my friend is stoooopid |
| [16:41:15] | Beirdo: | he forgot to move the players around on his Fantasy Baseball team |
| [16:41:34] | Beirdo: | left 60 points on the bench |
| [16:42:04] | Beirdo: | 48 of em were from Felix Hernandez, who I watched pitch a darn good game yesterday |
| [16:42:13] | justinh: | rhollan: yup – and remember to make the button names match in all ways including case |
| [16:42:30] | justinh: | many a missed case wording has slipped up a lirc user |
| [16:44:09] | rhollan: | O.K. run the mythbuntu lirc generator and it looks like it put files in all the right places. |
| [16:46:20] | wagnerrp: | can i request some additional sanity checks in mythbackend for my external hard drives that arbitrarily and randomly decide to stop functioning for hours on end? i dont want to fix my system, because obviously my system works just fine as it is.... |
| [16:46:33] | rhollan: | crap. Somehow my FW lost config. |
| [16:46:48] | rhollan: | Where can I find the DB password? |
| [16:47:02] | wagnerrp: | ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [16:47:13] | rhollan: | no, what it IS, not where to set it |
| [16:47:25] | wagnerrp: | thats where its set |
| [16:47:56] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you have to teach yourself to read encrypted mysql binary databases |
| [16:47:57] | Beirdo: | if they don't match, login to mysql with the admin (root) mysql password, and reset the grant |
| [16:48:03] | rhollan: | Hmm it's set there |
| [16:48:16] | wagnerrp: | the plain text password does not exist anywhere in the database |
| [16:48:18] | rhollan: | but myth FE startup claims it is mythtv, which it isn't |
| [16:48:25] | Beirdo: | and if you don't know the admin mysql password, go look on mysql.com how to change it |
| [16:48:26] | wagnerrp: | and there is no way to recover it from the encrypted version |
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| [16:48:53] | rhollan: | No, it looks like I have an intact config.xml, but it is not being read all of a sudden. Odd |
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| [16:48:57] | rhollan: | still checking perms |
| [16:49:19] | rhollan: | bah. root owns it |
| [16:49:31] | rhollan: | wierd how that happened |
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| [16:50:35] | wagnerrp: | gah.... |
| [16:50:46] | rhollan: | crap. still busted |
| [16:50:49] | wagnerrp: | why do people put 4GB of memory in a 32-bit system? |
| [16:50:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: why not? |
| [16:51:06] | Beirdo: | Linux can handle it |
| [16:51:15] | wagnerrp: | the BIOS cant |
| [16:51:24] | Beirdo: | so? :) |
| [16:51:38] | rhollan: | GRRRR. chown -R is blind to "dot subdirectories" |
| [16:51:46] | wagnerrp: | consumer grade systems running 32-bit with 4GB of memory lose access to as much as a GB of memory |
| [16:51:58] | Beirdo: | rhollan: yes. . files/subdirs are hidden |
| [16:52:14] | AndyCap: | rhollan: you mean * or chown -R? :) |
| [16:52:28] | Beirdo: | chown -R blah * won't get it, but * .?* will |
| [16:52:35] | Beirdo: | or chown the directory ABOVE it |
| [16:52:57] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: only in the BIOS, I'm sure there's a way around that |
| [16:54:21] | rhollan: | chown -R mythtv.mythtv didn't get the .mythtv/config.xml and mysql.txt symlinks. |
| [16:54:22] | ** Beirdo yawns mightily ** | |
| [16:54:27] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why not just run 64-bit? |
| [16:54:31] | rhollan: | I actually had to delete them, and recreate them as the myth user |
| [16:54:36] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: good point :) |
| [16:54:46] | Beirdo: | rhollan: no you didn't have to |
| [16:55:00] | rhollan: | I tried chown on the synlinks and it didn't take |
| [16:55:02] | rhollan: | wierd |
| [16:55:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: /me proceeds with torches and pitchforks |
| [16:55:04] | Beirdo: | the trick is what you put AFTER the user.group |
| [16:55:16] | rhollan: | eh? |
| [16:55:20] | ** rhollan mans chown ** | |
| [16:55:32] | AndyCap: | rhollan: and symlinks don't really have any rights |
| [16:55:33] | Beirdo: | the owner of the symlink doesn't matter anyways, just the file pointed to |
| [16:55:53] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [16:56:16] | rhollan: | That's what I thought. The file pointed to is owned by mythtv.mythtv, the link by root and myth FE running as mythtv could not find it. |
| [16:56:16] | Beirdo: | rhollan: if you used chown -R mythtv.mythtv * it won't catch the . files |
| [16:56:25] | Beirdo: | as I said above |
| [16:56:26] | rhollan: | yeah, that made sense |
| [16:56:34] | rhollan: | but when I tried it directly it still didn't take |
| [16:56:38] | Beirdo: | chown -R mythtv.mythtv * .?* |
| [16:56:54] | Beirdo: | or even better |
| [16:56:57] | rhollan: | chown mythtv.mythtv config.xml didn't take |
| [16:56:59] | Beirdo: | .??* |
| [16:57:13] | Beirdo: | were you in the .mythtv dir? |
| [16:57:14] | wagnerrp: | : |
| [16:57:20] | rhollan: | yes |
| [16:57:28] | wagnerrp: | hes running user 'mythtv.mythtv' |
| [16:57:41] | rhollan: | no as root I could not change them |
| [16:57:42] | Beirdo: | and you have to change ownership... as root |
| [16:57:55] | rhollan: | I kmow that. It didn't work on the links. |
| [16:58:00] | wagnerrp: | hes running his own LDAP login domain, using the 'mythtv' domain |
| [16:58:12] | rhollan: | I had to delete the links as root, and recreate them as mythtv |
| [16:58:16] | rhollan: | no LDAP yet on this box |
| [16:58:20] | rhollan: | first things first |
| [16:58:26] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: in chown, it's user.group |
| [16:58:27] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:58:38] | wagnerrp: | user:group always worked for me |
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| [16:59:10] | Beirdo: | yeah user:group works in Solaris too :) |
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| [16:59:47] | wagnerrp: | i see a bunch of online MAN pages listing ':', only a single one listing '.' (which also happens to list ':') |
| [16:59:55] | wagnerrp: | also, ping for you in #mythtv |
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| [17:00:28] | rhollan: | O.K. it looks like I fixed the perms. Serves me right for running a configure script as root a while back |
| [17:00:33] | Beirdo: | yeah . is linux tools only I think |
| [17:00:34] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:00:44] | rhollan: | I always used . |
| [17:00:58] | wagnerrp: | colon is 'moar proper' |
| [17:01:10] | ** rhollan shrugs ** | |
| [17:01:12] | rhollan: | I guess |
| [17:01:17] | wagnerrp: | period is for 'thems dirty linux punks' |
| [17:01:28] | rhollan: | you forgot smelly |
| [17:01:48] | rhollan: | Oh wait, it's the HURD punks that are the smelly ones. |
| [17:01:58] | rhollan: | Ah! success. |
| [17:02:17] | wagnerrp: | no, the HURD guys are beardians |
| [17:02:37] | rhollan: | LOL |
| [17:02:52] | Beirdo: | oh CRAP |
| [17:03:01] | Beirdo: | Yanks/Mets today |
| [17:03:14] | ** rhollan strokes his goatee and thinks he looks like a "wanabe" beardian ** | |
| [17:03:22] | Beirdo: | both pitchers... on my Fantasy team |
| [17:03:50] | Beirdo: | Sabathia vs Santana |
| [17:03:55] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: you groom yourself, and you dare even call yourself a wannabe? |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | please no blowouts |
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| [17:05:20] | rhollan: | LOL. I currently sport a circle beard, and a goatee. Not unkempt, but not currently as trim as I usually keep it: about 1 cm long instead of a couple mm |
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| [17:06:36] | BaronM: | wagnerrp: Checked many times, yes: LIRC: Successfully initialized '/dev/lircd' using '/home/mmarre/.mythtv/lircrc' config – The config worked before fine under ubuntu 9.4 and nothing has changed. Only after upgrading to 10.04 the problem occoured. But it seems that some people faced this problem. If i search for "ubuntu lirc IOCTL" there are some hints |
| [17:08:00] | Beirdo: | baseball announcers are lame |
| [17:08:08] | BaronM: | As far I understand the situation parts of LIRC are going into the kernel direct. And is not fully implemented yet. Infollowing there can be trouble with LIRC and 2.6.32 |
| [17:08:17] | Beirdo: | learn some Spanish if you want that job! |
| [17:08:30] | justinh: | don't get me started on how stinky some nerds can be. I've been to too many linux shows. FWIW, nerds are geeks without social skills or personal hygeine ;) |
| [17:08:35] | Beirdo: | at least enough to pronounce names |
| [17:08:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:09:06] | ** Beirdo is a geek... ** | |
| [17:09:25] | Beirdo: | speaking of geeking out... must get back to work on mythweather |
| [17:09:53] | wagnerrp: | BaronM: are you filtering by receiver name, and the name provided by driver has changed? |
| [17:10:00] | justinh: | I was commenting to someone the other day about how many of the dev team are parents now & they were utterly shockes |
| [17:10:03] | justinh: | *shocked |
| [17:10:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:10:18] | Beirdo: | are NOW parents :) |
| [17:10:24] | justinh: | like "huh? linux geeks are like real people?" |
| [17:10:41] | Beirdo: | geeks can get wives? huh? ;) |
| [17:10:54] | justinh: | yeah well see – mythtv gave them more time to do other stuff :-D |
| [17:11:04] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [17:11:13] | justinh: | Beirdo: said nothing about keeping em ;) |
| [17:11:19] | Beirdo: | amen |
| [17:11:28] | ** Beirdo *had* a wife ** | |
| [17:11:34] | ** rhollan ponders the social skills vs hygiene question. ** | |
| [17:11:42] | ** rhollan had a wife. Good riddance. ** | |
| [17:12:06] | Beirdo: | well, I'm recently liberated/put to pasture |
| [17:12:07] | rhollan: | my daughter ran away from her mother about 3 months ago and wants to lie with me. In the courts now. |
| [17:12:10] | rhollan: | She is 16 |
| [17:12:11] | justinh: | well, if it doesn't work out for whatever reason.. yada yada. better than going through hell trying to flog the dead horse, so to speak |
| [17:12:27] | Beirdo: | rhollan: live with you, I hope, not lie with.. |
| [17:12:34] | rhollan: | LIVE, of course. |
| [17:12:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats illegal in most states |
| [17:12:47] | Beirdo: | justinh: yeah, I know. still sucks :) |
| [17:12:48] | rhollan: | except Arkansas |
| [17:12:51] | ** rhollan ducks ** | |
| [17:12:59] | justinh: | be quicker with your correction in future or the courts may not be so forgiving if they see the channel log |
| [17:13:08] | rhollan: | Feh. |
| [17:13:30] | Beirdo: | heh.. he didn't say he wanted to lie with her... |
| [17:13:37] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [17:13:44] | justinh: | courts. solicitors. GRR. Know a guy who went through abject hell cos his ex's friends turned her into a hosebeast |
| [17:14:13] | rhollan: | The thing is, if you are married with kids and lose your job, you can't go to jail. But if you are unmarried with kids, lose your job, and can't pay the support you owe based on what the court says you can earn, you go to jail. |
| [17:14:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, we did the mutual consent divorce. |
| [17:14:30] | rhollan: | So, at times the dead horse might be the better option if unemployment looms. |
| [17:14:41] | justinh: | really? man that is screwed up |
| [17:14:41] | rhollan: | Get divorced when you DON'T have a good job. |
| [17:14:51] | Beirdo: | or DON'T have kids |
| [17:15:12] | justinh: | and so much for sexual equality – people petitioning for advances against future earnings... like WTH?! |
| [17:15:14] | Beirdo: | although that genie can't be put back into the bottle |
| [17:15:22] | edman007: | hi...so it seems that every time mythfrontend runs it turns off my DPMS on the monitor...how do i re-enable that? |
| [17:15:25] | rhollan: | justinh: oh yeah, lots of cases of guys making $100k+, then getting laid off, gettign a job for $50k and not able to pay $30k a year in child support any more. |
| [17:15:31] | wagnerrp: | you go to jail and cant earn any money, but ironically you still owe those child support payments |
| [17:15:38] | rhollan: | and the accumulate! |
| [17:15:51] | awalls: | Is it the wrong time to say "Happy Father's Day"? |
| [17:15:53] | rhollan: | the idea is to squeeze the family. |
| [17:15:55] | justinh: | edman007: it turns that off only during playback though... |
| [17:16:04] | rhollan: | Fatherless day for many kids, actully. |
| [17:16:28] | rhollan: | O.K. back to lirc for me... |
| [17:16:29] | justinh: | edman007: saves people using DPMS getting annoyed when the screen switches off while they're watching their shows ;) |
| [17:16:48] | GreyFoxx: | You can always get the courts to reevalutate the payment based on your new income. Unless your system is truly messed uo |
| [17:16:51] | justinh: | edman007: if you wanna be changing that, time to dig in the source since there's no setting to disable it |
| [17:16:54] | GreyFoxx: | I know that here in Canada you can |
| [17:16:55] | Beirdo: | awalls: happy father's day... glad I didn't end up a father before my wife wanted me gone. |
| [17:17:17] | GreyFoxx: | It's a percentage of your earnings, NOT a percentage of what you use to earn in the past |
| [17:17:26] | edman007: | justinh, yea...well maybe it does not turn it back on when i whack it with ctl-c... |
| [17:17:27] | GreyFoxx: | so it can be adjusted |
| [17:17:31] | rhollan: | a percentage of your "imputed" earnings. |
| [17:17:36] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: yeah, like 100% of it |
| [17:17:39] | justinh: | edman007: oops |
| [17:17:40] | edman007: | there has to be another tool that can turn it back on... |
| [17:17:50] | justinh: | xset DPMS on ? |
| [17:17:51] | wagnerrp: | edman007: ctrl-c should still be a clean shutdown |
| [17:17:56] | rhollan: | The court can find that you are "voluntarily" underemployed |
| [17:18:03] | justinh: | edman007: man xset |
| [17:18:07] | GreyFoxx: | hahahah you have amessed up system :) |
| [17:18:31] | justinh: | ahhh AMERKA... the land of the truly mercinary |
| [17:18:46] | edman007: | wagnerrp, should be...but i have had this problem for a long time...everytime i screw around with mythtv DPMS is off the following night... |
| [17:18:54] | justinh: | I ain't sayin she a gole digger.. oh wait yes I am |
| [17:19:05] | edman007: | justinh, thanks |
| [17:19:19] | wagnerrp: | set your power button on your remote to turn your tv on and off? |
| [17:19:45] | edman007: | wagnerrp, its a computer monitor... |
| [17:19:57] | justinh: | must... find... strength.. to.... press DEVICE... then TV... then POWER.... gah |
| [17:20:02] | Beirdo: | Mmmmm, baseball in HD |
| [17:20:04] | rhollan: | I am fortunate in that I could afford the alimony and child support, and don't resent the child support. She who shall not be named refuses to work, and so I provide even more for our kids. |
| [17:20:17] | rhollan: | Sucks though that I am paying support for our daughter while she lives with me |
| [17:20:26] | wagnerrp: | justinh: sounds like youre using a harmony in entirely the wrong manner |
| [17:20:30] | rhollan: | until the court rules otherwise. |
| [17:20:41] | rhollan: | O.K. back to lirc goodness. MCE remote now works! |
| [17:20:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: sounds like I have a teevee without discrete codes to change inputs, and harmony's state machine is too damn slow |
| [17:21:08] | justinh: | I'm a patient man, but jees.. Harmony Remote setup SUCKS |
| [17:21:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i still havent found a *good* solution for my tv without a |
| [17:21:24] | wagnerrp: | 'tuner' button |
| [17:21:28] | Beirdo: | rhollan: if she's living with you, there should be no reason the ex gets any support for her. |
| [17:21:28] | Beirdo: | but courts are stupid |
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| [17:21:41] | wagnerrp: | i can cycle between cable and antenna, but i cant actually force it to the tuner from another input |
| [17:21:44] | wagnerrp: | go figure... |
| [17:22:10] | wagnerrp: | all the other inputs have discrete codes |
| [17:22:11] | justinh: | be less of a problem if my teevee could select AV2-S with the scart selector voltage. but it can't |
| [17:22:32] | rhollan: | Beirdo: until the change of residence is official, I still have to pay. |
| [17:22:43] | Beirdo: | rhollan: yeah, gotcha |
| [17:22:52] | justinh: | or if I put everything through my AV amp.. that one is tempting. at least that has discrete codes |
| [17:23:13] | rhollan: | Daughter will probably be O.K.d, but son is another issue. |
| [17:23:25] | coolball: | happy pappy day |
| [17:23:32] | rhollan: | Mom had kept both kids truant and let son beat up daughter. |
| [17:23:48] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [17:24:03] | rhollan: | I got daughter back in school, got her dental needs taken care of, etc. She should be entering gr 12 and will be entering 10. |
| [17:24:15] | justinh: | oof |
| [17:24:21] | rhollan: | And STILL, my attorney says we have a tough slog because I am a man. |
| [17:24:25] | wagnerrp: | grade 12 at 16? |
| [17:24:29] | justinh: | sad fact of life |
| [17:24:36] | rhollan: | she will be 17 |
| [17:24:46] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I was 16 in Grade 12 |
| [17:24:50] | justinh: | never seems to matter how negligent the woman is |
| [17:24:56] | justinh: | aanyhoo... |
| [17:25:01] | Beirdo: | for about 3 months :) |
| [17:25:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i was 14 in grade 12, but thats abnormal and besides the point |
| [17:25:19] | justinh: | what was I doing before all the fun today? Oh yeah.. getting mp3fs to shove out over samba |
| [17:25:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:25:34] | BaronM: | wagnerrp: Hm, not checked yet. Will do when I am at home. Thanx so far! |
| [17:25:37] | Beirdo: | I have a problem... |
| [17:25:49] | Beirdo: | I wanna watch the game, but I also wanna work on mythweather |
| [17:26:13] | Beirdo: | and the stupid TV won't do PiP with two external inputs |
| [17:26:28] | Beirdo: | and the game's not on the channels I get with the tuner. |
| [17:26:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:27:17] | justinh: | that's just daft |
| [17:27:28] | justinh: | sort its firmware out, stat! ;-) |
| [17:27:37] | Beirdo: | it will only PiP with the tuner and an external input |
| [17:28:15] | wagnerrp: | screw this foolish baseball, youve got a tv to reprogram |
| [17:28:23] | Beirdo: | makes me wanna hook up a coax with the receiver going over channel 3 |
| [17:28:32] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [17:28:41] | Beirdo: | it has the latest firmware |
| [17:28:45] | Beirdo: | I checked :) |
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| [17:33:08] | Beirdo: | wowo |
| [17:33:30] | Beirdo: | Tatis got two grand slams in the same INNING a few years back for the Cardinals? |
| [17:33:36] | Beirdo: | off the same pitcher? |
| [17:33:56] | Beirdo: | hehe poor pitcher musta gone to get right hosed after that game |
| [17:34:59] | justinh: | yay got mp3fs working. needed the allow_other option set |
| [17:35:03] | coolball: | hi should i be able to change the name of my database? will that require me to create a new database? |
| [17:35:27] | justinh: | why pray would you want to do that? |
| [17:35:43] | coolball: | i forgot what my databases name is |
| [17:35:56] | justinh: | the default one is 'mythconverg' |
| [17:36:01] | Beirdo: | mythconverg unless you set it oddly |
| [17:36:09] | coolball: | ok ty |
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| [17:37:34] | rhollan: | O.K. lirc is working with the MCE remote. Got to get a USB extension cable. The one that came with it was only a foot long. And I don't want to drop the front I/O drawer to plug the dongle in, so I'll snake a cable under the unit and have the dongle stick out the front. |
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| [17:39:30] | justinh: | wth? rm: cannot remove `musicmp3': Transport endpoint is not connected |
| [17:39:32] | ** rhollan is looking forward to retiring his DVD/CD jukebox! ** | |
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| [17:46:44] | justinh: | heh. hello fusermount command |
| [17:47:10] | justinh: | ow. crashed again. sucks |
| [17:47:28] | Beirdo: | yay for stable code :) |
| [17:47:53] | rhollan: | Crap. No linux support for Logitech Harmony 300. |
| [17:48:12] | justinh: | no linux support for any logitech remotes |
| [17:48:22] | rhollan: | I WAS going to have it learn the MCE, TV, and preamp controls (rather than have the mythbox blast) |
| [17:48:29] | justinh: | you need at least a windows or Mac VM |
| [17:48:41] | rhollan: | That way, if the mythbox ever gave up the ghost, I could still route Cable to TV |
| [17:48:55] | justinh: | actually there IS a 3rd party programming app for the harmony remotes |
| [17:49:03] | rhollan: | Concordance? |
| [17:49:04] | justinh: | but it prolly sucks more than the original solution |
| [17:49:06] | justinh: | yeah |
| [17:49:08] | justinh: | it's awful |
| [17:49:09] | wagnerrp: | i imagine it functions roughly the same |
| [17:49:11] | rhollan: | Doesn't support the 300 |
| [17:49:19] | justinh: | doesn't support my 525 either |
| [17:49:30] | wagnerrp: | just a web browser and driver library for using their online config |
| [17:50:09] | justinh: | even the lowest inter-button delay isn't low enough for my tastes |
| [17:50:13] | rhollan: | I guess I could try to use my son's netbook |
| [17:50:22] | rhollan: | it still runs winBlows |
| [17:50:59] | justinh: | pity nobody made a better attempt at hackery :) |
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| [17:52:50] | rhollan: | I guess I could consider IR blasters. But taping them over my equipment will look tacky. |
| [17:52:51] | justinh: | like gimme just a DEVICES mode please, none of the silly activity junk |
| [17:53:54] | justinh: | plus I hate anything hosted on sourceforge |
| [17:59:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:59:55] | ** Beirdo hosts justinh on sourceforge ** | |
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| [18:09:28] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [18:09:35] | Beirdo: | grand slam by the Yanks |
| [18:09:48] | Beirdo: | and Santana blows it again |
| [18:10:25] | rhollan: | damn netbook has a dead drive. |
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| [18:12:17] | Beirdo: | I'm loathe to not keep Santana for next year, but MAN he's blown out spectacularly several times this year |
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| [18:34:27] | rhollan: | Feh. I'd need the XP support DVD for it even if I replaced the drive. |
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| [18:57:02] | justinh: | oh noes! not the DUH-LEKS again |
| [19:00:24] | rhollan: | Bastards. Frys wanted $130 to reimage XP on the HD1000. |
| [19:00:40] | Beirdo: | and? |
| [19:00:48] | rhollan: | If I could get an XP image, I could do it myself. I have the key |
| [19:01:05] | Beirdo: | so get an image.. from the manufacturer of the netbook |
| [19:01:20] | rhollan: | I can't They don't provide them |
| [19:01:23] | Beirdo: | if they sold it to you with a license, they are supposed to |
| [19:01:29] | rhollan: | No shit. |
| [19:01:36] | Beirdo: | you may have to pay a bit for the media |
| [19:01:38] | rhollan: | They want me to RMA the machine out of waranty |
| [19:01:43] | Beirdo: | and watch the language, please |
| [19:01:55] | rhollan: | I don't mind paying for the media. |
| [19:02:13] | rhollan: | Or even up to $40 or $50 for someone to image it. But $130 was too rich |
| [19:02:17] | Beirdo: | or pay the $130 for an XP CD, and be done with it |
| [19:02:35] | rhollan: | I'd need the XP CD for the HD1000 EEE PC |
| [19:02:50] | Beirdo: | no |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | a full XP install CD should do just fine |
| [19:03:03] | rhollan: | Stupid ASUS only has a flash site I can't load |
| [19:03:13] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [19:03:26] | Beirdo: | flash works in Linux |
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| [19:03:51] | rhollan: | not from this site apparently |
| [19:04:56] | Beirdo: | a base XP install should work well enough to get flash up and running on it so you can download the specific drivers to do it righ |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | right... |
| [19:05:15] | rhollan: | Hmmm |
| [19:05:28] | Beirdo: | if not, install ubuntu :) |
| [19:05:44] | rhollan: | I can't. I need XP to program this stupid Logitech remote |
| [19:05:54] | rhollan: | See why I don;t want to spend much $$$ |
| [19:06:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:06:24] | rhollan: | I bloody well already paid for the damn OS |
| [19:06:29] | Beirdo: | OK, one more patch to slog through... |
| [19:06:52] | Beirdo: | then get on the phone with Asus and whine until they send you the install CD that they OWE you |
| [19:07:03] | Beirdo: | OEMs do have to provide it |
| [19:07:05] | rhollan: | No support on Sundays |
| [19:07:13] | Beirdo: | then no remote on Sunday |
| [19:07:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:07:24] | rhollan: | I guess I'll just have to find someone with a WinBlows box I can use for a few minutes. |
| [19:07:24] | Beirdo: | go watch the game, have a beer, relax :) |
| [19:07:44] | Beirdo: | or that |
| [19:08:02] | Beirdo: | Gah |
| [19:08:17] | Beirdo: | this guy wants to add a new flippin setting |
| [19:08:22] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
| [19:08:26] | Beirdo: | not right now |
| [19:08:27] | rhollan: | Maybe I can try the support dept at my local Staples. The get a lot of $$$ from me, and if they have the support DVD and I agree to buy a drive from them, they might image it for less than $130 |
| [19:08:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, could be |
| [19:09:21] | rhollan: | Asus = f***tards for not making the damn thing available on line. You still need a key to install. |
| [19:09:34] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [19:09:36] | rhollan: | sorry for the language, but i am fuming. |
| [19:09:38] | Beirdo: | that's MS' fault |
| [19:09:46] | Beirdo: | they won't let them |
| [19:09:48] | rhollan: | No, I bought the thing from Asus. |
| [19:09:57] | Beirdo: | so? the OS is still from MS |
| [19:10:13] | rhollan: | Maybe if an OEM loses a mega-$$$ suit, they will think twice about bowing to MS. |
| [19:10:15] | Beirdo: | and MS won't be happy with their OS (even OEM) sitting on a download site |
| [19:10:27] | Beirdo: | that won't happen |
| [19:10:40] | rhollan: | Doesn't matter. Do I sue the refinery that cast the engine when I blow a gasket. No. |
| [19:10:41] | Beirdo: | most people "want" or "need" MS operating systems |
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| [19:11:20] | rhollan: | Fine, then violence. Violence solves everything. Nuke their HQ. What? I can't do what governments do? |
| [19:11:22] | Beirdo: | as long as the demand is there... |
| [19:11:27] | ** rhollan is cynical to the max right now. ** | |
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| [19:11:35] | Beirdo: | hehe, no nuking Taiwan |
| [19:11:47] | Beirdo: | too much of our electronics comes from there |
| [19:11:51] | rhollan: | LOL |
| [19:11:53] | rhollan: | true that |
| [19:12:01] | Beirdo: | and definitely no nuking MS HQ |
| [19:12:02] | Beirdo: | I' |
| [19:12:09] | Beirdo: | I'd be vaporized |
| [19:12:15] | rhollan: | mee too |
| [19:12:19] | rhollan: | I live in Monroe |
| [19:12:22] | Beirdo: | now, using C4.... |
| [19:12:36] | Beirdo: | I'm in Seattle |
| [19:12:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:12:58] | rhollan: | no, use lotsa overkill. Take civvies. The message is: "Allow this and we will nuke you". |
| [19:13:06] | rhollan: | Works for alqueda, no? |
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| [19:13:11] | miststlkr: | hey all, mythvideo stopped playing videos about a week or so ago, I have been getting help from stuartm over in #ubuntu-mythtv but he is out of ides. What we have it narrowed down to, I think, is that a netstat shows a ton of close_wait ports despite running the latest daily build. I have a frontend.log posted at http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/qadt5j9e if anyone would care to give it a shot. |
| [19:13:17] | rhollan: | or maybe not. |
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| [19:14:06] | rhollan: | gonna see if staples can help |
| [19:14:17] | Beirdo: | worth a try |
| [19:14:26] | Beirdo: | where's the Fry's you contacted? |
| [19:14:30] | rhollan: | Renton |
| [19:14:39] | rhollan: | they get a lot of my coin too |
| [19:14:49] | Beirdo: | K, that's what I was thinking |
| [19:14:57] | Beirdo: | not too bus-friendly for me though |
| [19:15:30] | Beirdo: | I guess I could sit on a bus for >1h and transfer or whatever |
| [19:15:32] | Beirdo: | but bleh |
| [19:15:57] | Beirdo: | I'm less than a mile from I-90/I-5 interchange |
| [19:16:01] | rhollan: | maybe I could give you a ride some day |
| [19:16:23] | Beirdo: | heh, one never knows :) |
| [19:16:32] | miststlkr: | there is a Fry's in Renton? good to know... will have to look that up |
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| [19:22:01] | Beirdo: | no dependents |
| [19:22:03] | Beirdo: | so no |
| [19:22:07] | rhollan: | I don't because I (a) have paid into SSI long enough (40 credits), and (b) was married long enough (>10 years) that she gets derivative support. |
| [19:22:25] | Beirdo: | ah, there it is. not sure what the bot was smoking here |
| [19:22:43] | ** rhollan does not want to spend $$$ for a drive and >$50 for reimage. ** | |
| [19:22:47] | Beirdo: | we don't have support to deal with at all. :) |
| [19:22:57] | rhollan: | no, supporting the EX. |
| [19:23:03] | rhollan: | Was she Canadian too? |
| [19:23:07] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [19:23:08] | Beirdo: | US |
| [19:23:12] | rhollan: | O.K. then. |
| [19:23:17] | rhollan: | My GC is an immigration GC. |
| [19:23:24] | rhollan: | not marriage one |
| [19:23:41] | Beirdo: | mine was a "married a US citizen" one which is no longer conditional on it |
| [19:23:55] | rhollan: | yeah, I got that. |
| [19:24:02] | miststlkr: | we're the exact opposite, she's a canuck and sponsored me in, got my PR at them moment and should be eligable for citizenship next year I think |
| [19:24:22] | Beirdo: | miststlkr: mirror image :) |
| [19:24:32] | Beirdo: | stay married, and you got me beat :) |
| [19:24:34] | miststlkr: | bierdo: indeed |
| [19:24:39] | justinh: | hmmm tv.com is another evil site which although relies on user contributions, owns them all & denies anybody using them how they see fit. Meh |
| [19:27:02] | miststlkr: | yeah, oddly enough, met her while in Seattle looking for a place. we had mutusal friends, she was down for the weekend visiting and we hit it off. |
| [19:27:11] | Beirdo: | http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/1887225 |
| [19:27:22] | Beirdo: | ummm, does that look backwards or what? |
| [19:27:47] | miststlkr: | so we decided it was easier to find a place in SEATAC from vancouver than it was to find one from New orleans... so i moved up here with her till I found a place.. which turned into a "might as well just stay here" LOL |
| [19:27:50] | justinh: | hit it off. interesting euphemism |
| [19:27:53] | Beirdo: | to convert mph to mph, you * 0.44704?! |
| [19:29:24] | rhollan: | I think I will just drive to work and program the remote there. |
| [19:29:47] | Beirdo: | there ya go |
| [19:29:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i thing it would be ' |
| [19:29:57] | wagnerrp: | *1' |
| [19:30:03] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [19:30:22] | Beirdo: | he screwed up, mph->mph has the mph->m/s code and vice versa |
| [19:30:25] | miststlkr: | *sigh* had to RMA my new motherboard and I swear they sent me the same unit.... same issues, won't POST... bastards |
| [19:30:29] | Beirdo: | and I'm rejecting it anyways |
| [19:30:58] | Beirdo: | it requires a new setting to set wind units, and I'm not looking at doing that quite yet |
| [19:31:09] | rhollan: | mph to kph: * 1.609344 EXACTLY |
| [19:31:14] | Beirdo: | it would be nice for later once the settings are somewhere else |
| [19:31:21] | Beirdo: | kph doesn't exist |
| [19:31:25] | Beirdo: | km/h :) |
| [19:31:29] | rhollan: | feh |
| [19:31:39] | rhollan: | to m/s: * 0.44704 EXACTLY |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | I know, but we ain't doin it for now |
| [19:32:13] | Beirdo: | I need to gut and reimplement code before considering that |
| [19:32:27] | miststlkr: | bierdo, whatcha working on? |
| [19:32:40] | Beirdo: | mythweather |
| [19:32:44] | Beirdo: | at the moment :) |
| [19:32:45] | miststlkr: | Beirdo* been misspelling it all along, sorry |
| [19:32:51] | Beirdo: | tis OK |
| [19:32:56] | rhollan: | O.K. heading into the office for a bit. Gonna be real close to 5&90, LOL. |
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| [19:33:28] | Beirdo: | wave.. :) |
| [19:33:46] | Beirdo: | I'm at Jackson & 18th :) |
| [19:33:48] | miststlkr: | i dont suppose anyone here has experience with x11vnc by any chance? |
| [19:34:01] | Beirdo: | hehe. The building with the WONDER BREAD sign on top |
| [19:34:04] | ** miststlkr at Lougheed and North :-P ** | |
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| [19:35:56] | rhollanAFK: | I'm going to be at 505 5th St. |
| [19:36:16] | rhollanAFK: | we make the firewalls in the pretty red boxes. |
| [19:36:21] | Beirdo: | wow, that's close to my work too. (5th and Pike) |
| [19:36:38] | rhollanAFK: | O.K. out the door. |
| [19:36:41] | Beirdo: | you commute that every day?! |
| [19:36:47] | Beirdo: | crazy man |
| [19:36:54] | rhollanAFK: | most days. But I can work from home |
| [19:37:06] | Beirdo: | have a nice low-traffic trip in |
| [19:37:07] | rhollanAFK: | My old '98 GrandAm still gets 26mpg. |
| [19:38:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:39:25] | miststlkr: | 5th and pike, huh? had tried to get transfered to the place at 4th and Seneca... i know that area :-P |
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| [19:39:35] | Beirdo: | call the game! call the game! |
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| [19:40:05] | Beirdo: | rain delay in the Yankees/Mets game... Sabathia would get a complete game shutout if they call it |
| [19:40:14] | miststlkr: | LOL |
| [19:40:21] | Beirdo: | Santana already blew it out for me |
| [19:40:32] | Beirdo: | I have BOTH starting pitchers on my fantasy team |
| [19:40:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:41:19] | miststlkr: | nicwe :-P |
| [19:42:33] | Beirdo: | yay. #8356 is not wontfix... closed |
| [19:42:48] | Beirdo: | not a single part of the patches fit |
| [19:43:04] | miststlkr: | heh |
| [19:43:37] | Beirdo: | nice ideas, broken implementations, and not where the code needs to be right now |
| [19:44:18] | Beirdo: | next up.... checking weather.com TOS |
| [19:44:30] | miststlkr: | I'd like to get into a bit of coding again, it's been years, wouldn't even know where to start... starting with some theming to get a feel for how the modules interact and all that for the time being... |
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| [19:46:36] | miststlkr: | if you haven't checked it out, wunderground.com may be of use to you.... sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious |
| [19:46:46] | Beirdo: | yUP |
| [19:46:54] | Beirdo: | I made a scraper for it a bit ago |
| [19:47:06] | Beirdo: | the problem is, we HAVE weather.com maps being used |
| [19:47:14] | Beirdo: | and I think their TOS says we can't |
| [19:47:34] | Beirdo: | and now that I've inherited the plugin, I'm making it TOS-compliant |
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| [19:48:53] | miststlkr: | been a fan of wunderground a while now, more info than anyone could want. I'll search their tos to see if it would be allowed if you haven't already |
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| [19:51:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, we got that one covered :) |
| [19:53:23] | miststlkr: | cool. I should get going anyway, helping the mother in law move today. cheers. |
| [19:53:48] | Beirdo: | have fun |
| [19:53:49] | miststlkr: | could you possibly suggest someone who might be able to help me out with the mythvideo option? |
| [19:54:07] | Beirdo: | not sure off hand |
| [19:54:11] | wagnerrp: | what option is that? |
| [19:54:13] | miststlkr: | oh I'm sure we will... onlt perk is that there is a poutine place on her corner :-P |
| [19:54:21] | Beirdo: | stick around in the channel, someone likely can help |
| [19:54:26] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [19:54:31] | Beirdo: | I miss poutine! |
| [19:54:39] | miststlkr: | not sure how "option" got in there.... fingers typing on their own.. meant to say problem LOL\ |
| [19:54:53] | wagnerrp: | s/option/problem/ |
| [19:54:58] | Beirdo: | don't make me go to Steelhead Cafe! |
| [19:55:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, playback issues |
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| [19:55:51] | miststlkr: | LOL. there was a place in New orleans that served fries covered in gravy and melted cheddar... I htought that was pouitine till I moved up here LOL |
| [19:56:39] | Beirdo: | it's pseudo-poutine |
| [19:56:49] | wagnerrp: | miststlkr: your backend is running? |
| [19:56:52] | Beirdo: | living in Ottawa was great for poutine! |
| [19:56:58] | miststlkr: | was close enough for me :-P |
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| [19:57:14] | ** wagnerrp supposes stuartm would have already gone through all the easy stuff... ** | |
| [19:57:23] | Beirdo: | leave it to the Quebecois to make such heart-stopping, artery-clogging, YUMMY dishes |
| [19:57:35] | miststlkr: | wagnerrp ; if I run mythbackend it tells me there is another running, so yeah ;-P not sure how to test for sure though.. |
| [19:58:10] | wagnerrp: | its not doing something foolish like trying to run as a slave and connecting back on itself? |
| [19:58:28] | miststlkr: | I don't believe so. how./where would I check that? |
| [19:58:37] | miststlkr: | I'll dig up the backend log |
| [19:58:37] | wagnerrp: | backend logs |
| [19:58:54] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [19:59:04] | Beirdo: | that still brings out the infantile in me |
| [19:59:13] | miststlkr: | LOL |
| [19:59:16] | Beirdo: | remember to wipe and flush |
| [19:59:34] | miststlkr: | ... and here I thought you giggled at me answering my question as he did |
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| [20:01:28] | miststlkr: | today's backend.log http://mythtv.pastebin.com/eG53w1kk I'll look through it, but have to go shortly. if you get the urge, feel free to wade through it and point out anything odd, I'd appreciate it. |
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| [20:02:13] | miststlkr: | the issue is in line 11 .. nnow to figure out how to fix it |
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| [20:02:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: care to take a quick once-over look at #8325? |
| [20:02:38] | emmanuelux: | i have mythcdrom-linux.cpp:654:22: erreur: ‘fstat’ was not declared in this scope when i compile mythtv |
| [20:02:39] | Beirdo: | see if you come to the same conclusion RE: weather.com TOS |
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| [20:04:11] | wagnerrp: | IANALBWGSWPOOTML |
| [20:04:20] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [20:04:41] | wagnerrp: | i am not a lawyer, but weve got someone who plays one on the mailing list |
| [20:04:54] | miststlkr: | so line 11 says 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" I'll start working on that when i get home I guess. Thanks for the chat and the help. Cheers |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | I'm not asking that wonk |
| [20:05:26] | wagnerrp: | you remember what that whole debacle was about? |
| [20:05:41] | wagnerrp: | that wasnt about mc2xml was it? |
| [20:05:44] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [20:05:47] | Beirdo: | it was |
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| [20:06:41] | Beirdo: | but as for your layman's opinion? |
| [20:06:53] | wagnerrp: | no idea on that one |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | K :) |
| [20:07:02] | wagnerrp: | i would try contacting them, you may get a response |
| [20:07:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think I'll be doing that. If they say no, we are no worse off we would be just ripping them out |
| [20:07:37] | Beirdo: | which is my tendency right now |
| [20:07:47] | wagnerrp: | i mean without those, mythweather is fairly well gimped as far as images go |
| [20:07:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:07:58] | Beirdo: | TOS-- |
| [20:08:10] | Beirdo: | but unfortunately... them's the breaks |
| [20:09:09] | wagnerrp: | well im saying that would be the reason to go to a bit of extra effort to keep them |
| [20:09:14] | Beirdo: | emmanuelux: you probalby have header issues |
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| [20:09:25] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, I agree |
| [20:10:28] | Beirdo: | once the game's done, I'm gonna go see what we have in there :) |
| [20:10:36] | Beirdo: | the TV is occupied |
| [20:10:57] | Beirdo: | 2 outs to go |
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| [20:11:34] | Beirdo: | 1 out to go |
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| [20:13:19] | Beirdo: | and the fat lady just sang. |
| [20:13:27] | Beirdo: | OK, mythweather, here we come |
| [20:13:27] | justinh: | fa la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! |
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| [20:16:55] | Beirdo: | first, we switch back to Arclight |
| [20:16:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:17:32] | Beirdo: | Was checking for copyright areas in each theme... Arclight's the only one with it, and I had it still using Childish |
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| [20:47:00] | rhollan: | O.K. downloaded codes to the Hrmony 300 |
| [20:47:50] | rhollan: | I wonder if I can remap some of the keys? vol+/- should control the preamp even if I'm controling mythtv, for example |
| [20:49:28] | rhollan: | it is quiet in here |
| [20:49:48] | AndyCap: | rhollan: can your computer do that or do you plan to use the harmony for that? |
| [20:50:06] | rhollan: | I'd prefer to use the harmony rather than IR blasters |
| [20:50:14] | rhollan: | My computer can't do that over HDMI |
| [20:50:15] | ** Beirdo slaps mythfrontend ** | |
| [20:50:34] | AndyCap: | rhollan: which is why you buy kit with rs232 ports. :P |
| [20:50:40] | rhollan: | unless I resample audio in real-time, if myth supports that |
| [20:50:52] | justinh: | rhollan: if logitech had an IRC channel it'd pipe you to /dev/null anyway |
| [20:50:58] | Beirdo: | OK, can someone tell me... where does the frontend load the weather-ui.xml from, and how can I force it to re-read!? |
| [20:51:02] | AndyCap: | rhollan: but if you don't have the computer in the loop, what stops you from just configuring the harmony to do it? |
| [20:51:06] | rhollan: | Hmm. I think the 990 can be controlled via RS-232 |
| [20:51:26] | rhollan: | I don't know that i can program individual codes on the Hmony 300 |
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| [20:51:36] | justinh: | AndyCap: the harmony software stops you ;) |
| [20:51:48] | AndyCap: | justinh: didn't stop me |
| [20:51:59] | justinh: | rhollan: only way I know to do it is to learn induh-vidual buttons from another remote |
| [20:52:05] | AndyCap: | justinh: but yeah, I've left a couple of flames^Wtickets in the support system |
| [20:52:19] | rhollan: | harmony 300 learns? |
| [20:52:24] | rhollan: | via IR |
| [20:52:27] | justinh: | they have a support system? I never bothered – just figured they'd be like everybody else |
| [20:52:27] | AndyCap: | justinh: but I don't mind the activities stuff, |
| [20:52:28] | rhollan: | ? |
| [20:52:37] | Beirdo: | justinh: you are theme-friendly, no? :) |
| [20:52:45] | justinh: | Beirdo: to a certain extent |
| [20:53:00] | justinh: | Beirdo: lemme guess.. you need some mug to edit a bunch of core themes? |
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| [20:53:06] | Beirdo: | if I make a change to an xml file in a theme, how do I get it to reload? |
| [20:53:19] | justinh: | Beirdo: generally just reload the screen |
| [20:53:29] | rhollan: | Well, this is useless: It claimed to have configured my remote, but now won't let me ever sign in with it connected. |
| [20:53:30] | justinh: | Beirdo: depends where it goes down to |
| [20:53:35] | rhollan: | Seerver Error |
| [20:53:37] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [20:53:46] | Beirdo: | I can't seem to get it to reload it |
| [20:53:55] | justinh: | Beirdo: where've you changed? |
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| [20:53:59] | Beirdo: | or I'm not understanding the positioning |
| [20:54:18] | Beirdo: | <area>45,890,674,70</area> |
| [20:54:21] | justinh: | Beirdo: doing a main plugin-ui.xml you should just be able to quit back to the menu & go back in to reload |
| [20:54:27] | AndyCap: | Haha, and here I thought harmony couldn't get cheaper than the 525 |
| [20:54:36] | Beirdo: | it was 45,930,674,30 |
| [20:54:46] | justinh: | Beirdo: but if it's inherited from something deeper, like base.xml... you gotta reload the whole lot |
| [20:55:03] | Beirdo: | K, this is in weather-ui.xml |
| [20:55:18] | justinh: | Beirdo: so at 45,890, 674 wide by 70 high |
| [20:55:25] | Beirdo: | I'm tweaking it right in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Arclight |
| [20:55:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:55:33] | rhollan: | So, I don't know if it was programmed or not :-( |
| [20:55:42] | Beirdo: | I'm trying to make the area larger, but it doesn't seem to wanna take |
| [20:56:08] | Beirdo: | I even tried moving it somewhere else in the screen to prove my changes hit... nothin |
| [20:56:09] | justinh: | Beirdo: silly question but definitely saving the file? |
| [20:56:17] | Beirdo: | heh, definitely |
| [20:57:07] | justinh: | unless you're changing the wrong part of the file... |
| [20:57:17] | Beirdo: | bingo |
| [20:57:19] | Beirdo: | bah :) |
| [20:57:20] | rhollan: | can't sign in to myharmony.com anymore |
| [20:57:22] | Beirdo: | I suck |
| [20:57:28] | rhollan: | what a waste of time. It's junk |
| [20:57:31] | Beirdo: | it's in EVERY screen |
| [20:57:35] | Beirdo: | hehe duh |
| [20:58:17] | justinh: | Beirdo: heh. doing this new theme stuff has been like learning my ABCs again |
| [20:58:20] | justinh: | and still is |
| [20:58:25] | AndyCap: | I see logitech got really really stingy with the harmony stuff. :( |
| [20:58:43] | Beirdo: | Muuch better |
| [20:58:54] | Beirdo: | thanks for walking me through my stupidity :) |
| [20:59:15] | justinh: | heh. think you've helped me with code hints once or twice |
| [20:59:30] | Beirdo: | what goes around does come around, I guess |
| [20:59:58] | rhollan: | they wanted to make a cheap remote. And, for my needs it actually fits the bill. IF IT WOULD WORK |
| [21:00:16] | Beirdo: | OK, I like this |
| [21:00:55] | rhollan: | "Server Error Please sign in again to continue" at the server signin page |
| [21:01:04] | haffe: | Hmmmm. |
| [21:01:10] | haffe: | I am starting to think. |
| [21:01:28] | haffe: | A programable universal remote with a touch screen is quite expensive. |
| [21:01:35] | Beirdo: | ohhh, I need to make install my change :) |
| [21:01:37] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [21:01:47] | haffe: | I wonder how much work it would be to bungle one together with an avr. |
| [21:01:53] | Beirdo: | changed one of the scrapers, and the change isn't running |
| [21:02:09] | rhollan: | now it's "thinking" |
| [21:02:15] | rhollan: | same error. |
| [21:02:31] | justinh: | in the 525 I wanted a simple universal remote with no hassle changing device functions. meh |
| [21:03:41] | AndyCap: | justinh: what part didn't work? |
| [21:04:37] | justinh: | AndyCap: the 'not having to press 2 buttons to change devices' bit |
| [21:05:56] | AndyCap: | I take it the activities part didn't match your expectations |
| [21:06:15] | justinh: | nope. stupid tv without discrete inputs |
| [21:07:17] | AndyCap: | still, it lets you mix the buttons you need in one layout. |
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| [21:13:05] | rhollan: | Logitech support was clueless |
| [21:16:07] | rhollan: | Tried with another email account, and still busted. Tech couldn't even tell me if their servers were down. |
| [21:16:58] | rhollan: | Hmm. One forum suggests this happened before. |
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| [21:17:57] | rhollan: | maybe it was programmed, maybe not. |
| [21:18:28] | rhollan: | If it was, then it did get my Outlaw 990 codes, which would be handy since I lost the original remote in a move. |
| [21:18:42] | rhollan: | Perhaps I could reprogram a different learning remote from this one. |
| [21:19:01] | rhollan: | (I have another one, but didn't have the 990 codes, and Logitech did to program their 300) |
| [21:19:09] | rhollan: | heading back home. |
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| [21:21:01] | sphery: | emmanuelux: the problem is that you're compiling 0.23 release version or prior... the issue you're seeing was fixed 5 months ago. |
| [21:21:18] | sphery: | emmanuelux: when you compile MythTV, you need to use the current -fixes version, so 0.23-fixes |
| [21:21:34] | emmanuelux: | sphery, i am compiled the last version now |
| [21:21:40] | sphery: | emmanuelux: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ and follow instructions for getting the stable branch |
| [21:21:45] | sphery: | do not do trunk/unstable |
| [21:21:58] | sphery: | and, no, you're not if you're getting the error about fstat |
| [21:22:11] | sphery: | or are you saying you got it working, now? |
| [21:22:13] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23459 |
| [21:22:19] | emmanuelux: | no svn |
| [21:22:32] | emmanuelux: | from here the 0.23 ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/ |
| [21:22:40] | emmanuelux: | may 10 |
| [21:22:41] | sphery: | yes, do not use release tarballs |
| [21:22:50] | sphery: | you need to use 0.23-fixes |
| [21:23:12] | sphery: | we /really/ need to either get rid of tarballs or update them from 0.23-fixes |
| [21:23:39] | sphery: | so you'll need to pull it down with SVN |
| [21:23:57] | emmanuelux: | the archlinux 0.23 est from february 10 |
| [21:24:00] | sphery: | or if you don't have SVN installed, just use your distro's packaging system (which is probably a lot easier, anyway) |
| [21:24:35] | sphery: | if it's a tarball from the osuosl server, it's the release tarball that's broken |
| [21:24:48] | sphery: | (at least, it won't work with the version of GCC you're using) |
| [21:25:05] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ instructions for "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.23 stable branch, do this:" |
| [21:25:08] | sphery: | is the way to go |
| [21:25:19] | emmanuelux: | it is ok now |
| [21:25:20] | sphery: | or packages |
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| [21:25:27] | emmanuelux: | i have just passed the mythcdrom.cpp |
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| [21:25:46] | sphery: | emmanuelux: and note that if you just applied the change in that changeset I linked, you're still missing /many/ fixes |
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| [21:26:15] | sphery: | are you saying you got a tarball from elsewhere that was a newer version of fixes (from ArchLinux servers or something)? |
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| [21:27:03] | emmanuelux: | archlinux repository is 0.23 but from february that was th problem |
| [21:27:23] | emmanuelux: | needs an update |
| [21:27:25] | sphery: | well, current 0.23-fixes is from June, so... |
| [21:27:41] | emmanuelux: | may seems ok too |
| [21:27:53] | emmanuelux: | but compilation is not finished |
| [21:28:06] | sphery: | all the things you're missing: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-23-fixes |
| [21:28:24] | sphery: | but if you want to run a known-broken version, I suppose that's fine... ;) |
| [21:29:06] | sphery: | just please check that the issues you run into aren't fixed in there before reporting any bugs |
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| [21:30:24] | sphery: | Beirdo: think you could work some auto-update-tarballs-if-there's-a-commit-to-fixes magic once they work out the publishing issues? :) |
| [21:32:06] | emmanuelux: | very long to compile |
| [21:35:35] | Beirdo: | yah, that should be possible |
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| [21:36:10] | Beirdo: | or even better (at some point) create tarball when there's a commit to fixes that BUILDS :) |
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| [21:36:20] | rhollanFrys: | need 2mm USB cable |
| [21:36:25] | rhollanFrys: | 2 metre |
| [21:36:37] | Beirdo: | I was thinkign... 2mm is awful short |
| [21:37:18] | bjd: | what do we think of the revo r3610 for a front end? |
| [21:41:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, yeah, that would be nice |
| [21:42:23] | sphery: | bjd: (this is my opinion, only...) Is that one of those toys that doesn't have a CPU? |
| [21:42:53] | sphery: | If it's an ION, at least is has a nice GPU. But, really, what's a computer without a CPU? |
| [21:43:04] | emmanuelux: | it is ok |
| [21:43:29] | sphery: | (In other words, I think Atom is overhyped, expensive tech that provides no benefits over a properly-chosen real CPU.) |
| [21:43:55] | sphery: | It's a solution without a problem for those who haven't realized that they can do low-power Core 2 Duo systems /and/ have computing power |
| [21:44:36] | sphery: | After all, look at the 25W Mac Mini with a Core 2 Duo... Note that /it/ doesn't use Atom. (Not that I'm recommending the new Mac Mini, but...) |
| [21:45:37] | sphery: | Not to mention: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html + http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-e7200-g31,2039.html + http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ato . . . cy,2069.html |
| [21:45:50] | ** sphery steps down off his pulpit ** | |
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| [21:46:28] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, but Atom can run total system for 8W |
| [21:46:30] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:46:42] | Beirdo: | that's a significant difference |
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| [21:48:50] | sphery: | Beirdo: read that last link... :) worthwhile. |
| [21:49:27] | Beirdo: | it doesn't really matter :) |
| [21:49:40] | Beirdo: | as all the tiny boxlets will use Atom |
| [21:49:55] | Beirdo: | as does the netbook I'm currently typing on |
| [21:50:09] | Beirdo: | due MAINLY to the total power consumption |
| [21:51:07] | Beirdo: | and they only tested one of the many Atom processors there, and not even close to the most power efficient one |
| [21:51:22] | Beirdo: | but yeah, with a real GPU, Atom is quite useful |
| [21:51:34] | Beirdo: | with a GMA500, it *will* be :) |
| [21:51:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:52:13] | kormoc: | Can't commflag, can't transcode, can't run a database... |
| [21:52:23] | Beirdo: | sure it can run a database |
| [21:52:26] | Beirdo: | just slowly |
| [21:52:37] | Beirdo: | the other two... would suck rocks |
| [21:52:47] | Beirdo: | but I'm not saying to use one for a backend |
| [21:52:52] | Beirdo: | frontend... :) |
| [21:52:53] | sphery: | but running at it's max for all that time, versus a Core 2 Duo that runs at max for a bit, then goes back to idle |
| [21:53:00] | sphery: | so is the overall power usage of the Atom still lower? |
| [21:53:07] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [21:53:10] | sphery: | (when commflagging, etc) |
| [21:53:17] | sphery: | the peak power usage is lower, I'll agree |
| [21:53:20] | Beirdo: | you don't commflag on the frontend |
| [21:53:23] | Beirdo: | next? |
| [21:53:25] | sphery: | but that peak is maintained for a while |
| [21:53:35] | sphery: | well, tell all the people who are using Atom for their backends |
| [21:53:53] | Beirdo: | my fit-pc2 peaks at 8W (or was it 6) |
| [21:54:11] | Beirdo: | the core 2 duos average IDLE at 20W |
| [21:54:19] | sphery: | isn't the TDP of the dual-core Atoms 8W? |
| [21:54:27] | kormoc: | My mac mini idles at 10 |
| [21:54:34] | kormoc: | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 |
| [21:54:44] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
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| [21:55:09] | Beirdo: | but using the link sphery put... they both bottom at around 20W idle for that test |
| [21:55:22] | Beirdo: | granted, different cores than the mac mini, likely |
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| [21:55:34] | Beirdo: | for a backend, get something with balls |
| [21:55:53] | sphery: | heh, my backends are nothing and my frontend has power |
| [21:56:06] | Beirdo: | for a frontend, Atom can be more than enough IF your GPU is helpful (for HD anyways) |
| [21:56:17] | sphery: | but that's mainly because I haven't upgraded my backends because they don't need it |
| [21:56:31] | sphery: | and IF your broadcaster is helpful :) |
| [21:56:40] | sphery: | after all, you can't fix the decoder :) |
| [21:56:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:56:45] | Beirdo: | trye |
| [21:56:49] | Beirdo: | true |
| [21:57:03] | Beirdo: | of course a core 2 duo at 20W or so is still nice ;) |
| [21:57:09] | sphery: | anyway, I like the "get a system with power to spare that idles with low power usage" approach |
| [21:57:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:57:33] | bjd: | sphery: dunno, it's cheap and will only be a frontend for the bedroom :p |
| [21:57:38] | Beirdo: | it's a sight better than the 90W+ CPUs that are the alternative |
| [21:57:51] | sphery: | I'll admit that others are willing to forego niceties like responsiveness and control for the "green" feelings they get from running an Atom, but not me. |
| [21:58:20] | Beirdo: | those "green" feelings do turn to "brown" feelings... or "red" from anger |
| [21:58:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:58:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:58:36] | Beirdo: | this laptop has rarely pissed me off, but it has |
| [21:58:45] | Beirdo: | it was cheap, and it's small |
| [21:58:56] | sphery: | yeah, an Atom in a netbook isn't a bad thing--if a netbook fits your needs |
| [21:59:09] | sphery: | but in a Myth system, I'll take a real computer ;) |
| [21:59:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:59:22] | bjd: | even for a standalone frontend? |
| [21:59:27] | sphery: | yep |
| [21:59:31] | bjd: | why? |
| [21:59:35] | Beirdo: | well, again... for the frontend, it can be OK... if things aling correctly |
| [21:59:40] | sphery: | because power is king :) |
| [21:59:44] | Beirdo: | align rather |
| [21:59:56] | bjd: | but if the gpu can hack it :) |
| [21:59:57] | sphery: | so CPU that has power to spare, but idles at low power usage |
| [22:00:08] | bjd: | mm :p |
| [22:00:24] | sphery: | and if you trust that your broadcaster and nvidia will always see eye to eye on how MPEG-2 and H.264 should work :) |
| [22:00:46] | Beirdo: | sphery: the problem is the majority of CPUs that idle at such high power :) |
| [22:00:59] | Beirdo: | well, it's not always the broadcaster |
| [22:01:01] | sphery: | true... I would /not/ recommend getting any Black Edition garbage for MythTV |
| [22:01:14] | Beirdo: | for instance, if you use HD-PVR |
| [22:01:28] | sphery: | but a nice low-TDP CPU with a well-chosen chipset and hardware that gives a good idle power usage is great |
| [22:01:36] | Beirdo: | then it's just the HD-PVR and nvidia that have to be agreeable |
| [22:01:44] | Beirdo: | sphery: for sure |
| [22:01:47] | sphery: | Beirdo: true--and really, sometimes the re-broadcasters (cable cos) are involved |
| [22:01:57] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:01:57] | sphery: | even local affiliates tend to re-encode |
| [22:02:19] | Beirdo: | so many silly things that have to line up for optimum performance ;) |
| [22:02:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:02:24] | sphery: | bjd: note, though, that my opinion is mine--not speaking for the project or anything |
| [22:02:47] | sphery: | and I readily admit to being very biased against Atom |
| [22:02:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:03:09] | Beirdo: | 2/3 of the computing in my apt is Atom right now |
| [22:03:16] | Beirdo: | the other 1/3 is a Sempron 2800 |
| [22:03:19] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:04:11] | sphery: | I generally use trillions (or more?) atoms per system to get my computing power |
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| [22:04:25] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [22:05:10] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I wonder if that DLINK DSM-510 likes H.264? |
| [22:05:22] | Beirdo: | still have yet to hook it up. |
| [22:06:02] | Beirdo: | oh, and I'll be 3/4 Atom in a few days when the firewall box shows up (little bugger about the size of my DSL modem) |
| [22:06:39] | sphery: | well, on the bright side, I'll be moving one of my 2 backends to a more-efficient modern CPU/chipset that should allow significantly better idle power draw |
| [22:06:49] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [22:06:58] | sphery: | unfortunately, since I run BOINC, I won't ever see idle :) |
| [22:07:05] | Beirdo: | boink this |
| [22:07:09] | Beirdo: | oh wait. |
| [22:07:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:07:23] | sphery: | (but it gives me on-mobo-SATA, which is 99% of the reason for the upgrade) |
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| [22:08:08] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [22:08:13] | sphery: | the PCI SATA I have is annoyingly unreliable--like I have to set my computers to not quick boot or it will error because the card polls the SATA drives before they've initialized |
| [22:08:26] | sphery: | letting the system do a full memory check before boot gives the drives time to init |
| [22:08:30] | Beirdo: | welcome to the 21st century and all |
| [22:08:36] | sphery: | yeah, about time |
| [22:08:48] | Beirdo: | (says the guy with a Sempron) |
| [22:08:52] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:09:41] | sphery: | I'm still upset with AMD that I can't get a 45W Athlon II X2 250e (only the 250 is available since they're giving all the energy-efficient ones to HP and Sony :( ) |
| [22:09:58] | sphery: | in the US, that is |
| [22:10:06] | sphery: | there seems to be limited availablility in Europe |
| [22:10:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, jerks. |
| [22:10:56] | sphery: | And buying an $800 HP monitor-with-computer-built-in to rip out the proc is a bit more than I want to pay for a dual-core CPU |
| [22:11:19] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:11:29] | Beirdo: | although if they are sexy enough... use em |
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| [22:29:51] | wagnerrp: | anyone know if there are limitations with FLAC playback in mythmusic? |
| [22:30:02] | wagnerrp: | like only playing 44.1khz and 16-bit or something |
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| [23:21:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: PulseAudio limitation, perhaps (based on a discussion yesterday)? |
| [23:22:01] | sphery: | are you sure you've got Pulse off? |
| [23:22:23] | wagnerrp: | not me, someone on mythtvtalk |
| [23:22:43] | sphery: | ahhh, maybe the same guy who was in here talking about it |
| [23:22:51] | sphery: | jya mentioned exactly that limitation of pulse |
| [23:23:09] | wagnerrp: | they had a bunch of LWMA files because thats all his wife's zune would play |
| [23:23:22] | wagnerrp: | since it wouldnt play FLAC and he didnt want to maintain two libraries |
| [23:23:29] | wagnerrp: | so i recommended FLAC + mp3fs |
| [23:23:50] | wagnerrp: | mp3fs only runs on 44.1kHz/16-bit files |
| [23:24:04] | wagnerrp: | so that may have been what he was having problems with |
| [23:24:22] | wagnerrp: | of course dont ask me where he got anything other than 44.1kHz/16-bit files |
| [23:24:40] | wagnerrp: | he said it was from a large CD collection |
| [23:24:57] | wagnerrp: | but any tool which outputs a 48kHz rip from a CD is absolutely worthless |
| [23:25:16] | wagnerrp: | especially one purporting to output lossless WMA |
| [23:25:49] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:26:44] | wagnerrp: | 'well give you a lossless copy of a lossily resampled rip of a CD |
| [23:26:47] | wagnerrp: | ' |
| [23:27:26] | wagnerrp: | you know of any problems with the commflagger in trunk? |
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| [23:33:42] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, seems to be working now |
| [23:33:42] | sphery: | I've found that all of our commflaggers are having trouble with the video that my Fox station is now sending |
| [23:33:46] | sphery: | oh... |
| [23:33:56] | wagnerrp: | it was just running /awfully/ slow |
| [23:34:08] | wagnerrp: | extremely slow for a 3.2mbps SD MPEG2 recording |
| [23:34:10] | sphery: | mine seems to be changing resolution and aspect for commercials, now |
| [23:35:19] | wagnerrp: | ok, lets see how this skiplist generator works.... |
| [23:36:04] | wagnerrp: | looks like 'not quite' |
| [23:36:29] | wagnerrp: | ah, its out of order |
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| [23:42:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know of anywhere in the database that would list the framecount of a recording? |
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| [23:43:37] | wagnerrp: | right now, for lack of a better option, im just closing the skip/cut list at a bunch of 9s |
| [23:43:47] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/EpnTTVwr |
| [23:43:51] | sphery: | pretty sure all estimates are done by MAX()'ing the column from recordedseek or whatever |
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| [23:44:21] | sphery: | and, yeah, the estimate wouldn't be ideal for closing a cut list :) |
| [23:46:32] | wagnerrp: | i would have to pass that in... right now, its only privy to the information in the recordedmarkup table |
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| [23:47:57] | wagnerrp: | plus 7 nines would break for people puling cutlists out of those 48-hr weather broadcast marathon recordings |
| [23:48:42] | wagnerrp: | this is pulling the data out of the database, not inserting seeks/cuts into the database |
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| [23:55:32] | rhollan: | Well, the Harmony 300 did get programmed, but it thinks the Outlaw 990 is the DVD and the Mytybox is AUX (which is fine, but I would have reversed them). Also, the menu key does not work on the Myth box despite working on the MCE remote (the 300 thinks the Mythbox is an MCE) |
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