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Wednesday, June 16th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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jya:

just realised that this wasps nest noise is in B-flat...

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AYarter:

Hey all. I'm using mythgames, andf I understand that i can use the "/" key to select a favorite. Is there a key to delete a favorite?

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Captain_Murdoch:

maybe "/" again? that's what we elsewhere with that key.

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Pwen:

is there a mythbuntu 0.24+fixes changelog?

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Pwen:

somewhere I can read about what was updated, when I see there are updates to download?

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wagnerrp:

there is no 0.24, nor a 0.24+fixes

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wagnerrp:

a '+fixes' implies there has been a release to have subsequent patches for, which there is none

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wagnerrp:

0.24 merely tracks trunk, up until the point that 0.24 has been branched in preparation for release

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muh2000:

hi

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muh2000:

is it possible to setup mythtv relays in the network?

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wagnerrp:

Pwen: you can follow the major changes in http://mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24

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wagnerrp:

muh2000: relays?

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wagnerrp:

muh2000: please explain

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: yes a relay. wired network(LAN) connected to another wired LAN via WLAN thus the bottleneck should be avoided. a relay in the other network could do that.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will function over any TCP/IP network of sufficient bandwidth and reliability

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muh2000:

that is not what i asked ^^

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wagnerrp:

i still dont understand what purpose a 'relay' would serve

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muh2000:

saving bandwidth on the wlan uplink.

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wagnerrp:

you mean some sort of caching proxy?

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muh2000:

mythserver in network a. myth relay in network b and both connected via wlan.

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wagnerrp:

something to cache the data on both endpoints of the link, so its kept internal rather than crossing the link?

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: something like that but not for distributing files safed on the server. only caching live tv that users in the bottlenecked network want to watch

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wagnerrp:

each livetv instance pulls its own video stream

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: yes crossing the link should be avoided. except for the connection from the relay

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wagnerrp:

there is no caching that could occur

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: mythtv acting as a relay could :)

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wagnerrp:

recordings, you could set up rsync between two independent mythtv installations, along with some program to duplicate database information

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muh2000:

no recordings at all

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muh2000:

only live tv.

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wagnerrp:

no, each livetv instance is its own recording, using its own tuner

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wagnerrp:

there is no way you could cache that for multiple viewers without rewriting the whole thing

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muh2000:

multicast streaming...?

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wagnerrp:

you may want to look into VLC, and specifically multicast

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wagnerrp:

multicast streaming defeats the entire purpose of a DVR, and as such will likely never be implemented in mythtv

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muh2000:

so how about a feature request for multicasting streaming in mythtv and as a source for mythtv also streaming from the internet(this way the relaying coudl work)...? i already tried vlc. works nice but vlc is quick and dirty. myth is more for a permanent setup :)

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wagnerrp:

to what end? mythtv is a DVR, not a video broadcaster

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wagnerrp:

each endpoint is supposed to be able to move within the stream at will, which cannot happen with multicast

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wagnerrp:

multicast clients can only play back the stream as it is being sent

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wagnerrp:

unless you were going to add recording capacity into the frontend, it would only exist for livetv

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wagnerrp:

and you would not be able to pause/rewind/etc...

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Pwen:

wagnerrp: thanks for the link!

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muh2000:

yes. but why would it be a nogo to add such a feature for live tv? maybe familymembers are watching the same show?

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muh2000:

on different tv sets....

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wagnerrp:

muh2000: because you would have to completely bypass vast sections of code to make it work

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: for the multicast feature i guess? other than that i guess mythtv already can stream..

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has never supported 'livetv'

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AYarter:

"/" doens't even want to add favorite games

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wagnerrp:

it has always run at a several second lag behind live, as all DVRs do, to enable the capacity to seek within the broadcas

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wagnerrp:

t

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Captain_Murdoch:

muh2000, you can already watch the same 'live' show on multiple frontends at the same time.

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Captain_Murdoch:

using only 1 tuner

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: the complaint is that hes running wireless, and doesnt have the throughput to manage that

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wagnerrp:

which brings up the better option... run wires

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Captain_Murdoch:

framegrabber w/ low bitrate. :)

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muh2000:

Captain_Murdoch: can mythtv by any chance add another mythtv as a source?

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: not possible. sad situation

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Captain_Murdoch:

muh2000, no, listen to wagnerrp :)

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wagnerrp:

its always possible, its just a matter of effort to make it so

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wagnerrp:

unless youre talking about a P2P wireless link across several miles

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: can mythtv use internet streams as a source?

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muh2000:

like cnn.com live.

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wagnerrp:

muh2000: yes, mythtv can record off multicast IPTV providers

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wagnerrp:

specifically those using RTP and RTSP for streaming

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muh2000:

:)

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wagnerrp:

if you explain your situation more clearly, we may be able to offer alternatives

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muh2000:

it would be so much better when code would a liquid. tilt the mythtv project a bit and the rx code will move a littlebit to the tx side... :D

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muh2000:

wm2010

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muh2000:

"big network" 200ish ppl

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wagnerrp:

so... youre trying to provide some form of commercial mythtv installation?

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muh2000:

quick and dirty multicast -> vlc. but a long term installation. (there will be more wm and em in the future) i thought mythtv might be better...

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muh2000:

scenario is a university.

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muh2000:

not comercal

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wagnerrp:

i consider 'commercial' to be more a sense of scale, rather than any legal definition

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muh2000:

i see ^^

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muh2000:

well it is a question more in the sense of a proof of concept.

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wagnerrp:

if you want 'live', you dont want mythtv

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muh2000:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if you want independent playback at each location, mythtv can do that

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muh2000:

a university could record all the lectures for truanting students... and additional livetv :D

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wagnerrp:

the bigger issues you have to tackle first are ones of security

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wagnerrp:

specifically, mythtv has none

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muh2000:

kiosk setup. and one basic configuration should do it:)

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Daetlus:

Hello all

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wagnerrp:

you should have no trouble hard-wiring kiosk computers

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[R]:

muh2000: you shoudln't be encouraging truancy though...

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sphery:

[R]: not sure why he marked it milestone 0.24--other than he may have been saying, "I'll do it sometime before 0.24 is released." Once it goes in, it could be backported regardless of the milestone's value.

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[R]:

sphery: its not a problem for trunk, i got the fix from trunk

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[R]:

its a regression in 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

Oh... I'll change it, then. Thanks.

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muh2000:

[R]: true. but the main goal is to cut down on isp uplink traffic.

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[R]:

i probably should have made taht more clearly

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wagnerrp:

where are these kiosks that theyre not on your local campus network?

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muh2000:

kiosk setup as a term for: the use cannot change anything

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muh2000:

erm user

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wagnerrp:

but there will be a group of these on another network outside your network?

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muh2000:

the via wlan connected networks are all campus... supposed to be campus only...

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wagnerrp:

why are you using wireless for your campus network, rather than wired

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wagnerrp:

surely you dont think wireless has sufficient throughput for your backbone

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muh2000:

because i am not in charge of anything there.

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muh2000:

if i were it would by 1gbit all over the place. 10gbit for the backbone.

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wagnerrp:

10gbit is too short reach

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wagnerrp:

normally you run SONET stuff for wide area backbones

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wagnerrp:

dropping to ethernet within individual buildings

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Daetlus:

Perhaps this isn't really the place to be asking this question, but I'm researching equipment for a myth tv system build. I'm assuming a capture card like the Hauppauge HVR-2250 will handle audio encoding on it's own. Meaning a I don't have to have a sound card for each tuner?

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wagnerrp:

Daetlus: no, the HVR-2250 does not support analog capture under linux

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wagnerrp:

you can only use it as a digital tuner

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Daetlus:

Thanks.

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Daetlus:

I suppose it won't be much of an issue anyway

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners capture a pre-encoded mpeg2 stream

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wagnerrp:

the audio and video are included, you dont have to do anything

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: the campus is small. anykind of optical between the buildings would work :) in house reuse of the existing copper network.

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high-rez:

Hmm. 1 her 12 mins into this movie myth starts playing it double speed

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Daetlus:

Understood. Is something like a Hauppauge HD PVR the only option for HD capture of sateliite signals?

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wagnerrp:

Daetlus: for the time being, yes

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wagnerrp:

hmm... seems you can run single-mode 10Gbe long distances

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klk:

is there a way to do audio filtering from within myth?

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wagnerrp:

klk: watching the world cup?

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klk:

i would love to try and notch out the vuvuzelas from world cup matches

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: :) and 10gbit would be firing with nukes on whales anyway... well at least in 2010. might change some day :)

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[R]:

HAHA

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klk:

wagnerrp: indeed

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muh2000:

it could be possible with a virtual sound device that kills some frequencies. but i guess that would be one big chunk to code...

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wagnerrp:

muh2000: certainly not for a backbone it wouldnt

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wagnerrp:

even for individual servers and workstations, its not excessive

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muh2000:

wagnerrp: i think likewise. but 1gbit would work as well... considering some dorms are connected via wlan......................

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wagnerrp:

thats awful

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muh2000:

i couldnt live in one of those dorms.

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Daetlus:

The dorms here do that, it's borderline unusable

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high-rez:

What I don't understand about the current world cup and the argument that we have to respect the annoying noise is... What if some country decided the way to celebrate their enjoyment of the game was to be flatulent? Would we all have to respect that?

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jya:

allright, I have implemented a notch filter for real time input... now need to add to the current audio stream and test

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wagnerrp:

aww WTF

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wagnerrp:

were struggling to get by with cheesy business grade roadrunner

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jya:

high-rez: the stupid argument about those trumpets, is that this is very new... not even 10 years old..

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wagnerrp:

and here it turns out the the university has an OC-48 fiber loop just a couple hundred yards from our facility

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jya:

it does not have any historical importance

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wagnerrp:

bastards have been holding out on us...

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high-rez:

jya: yeah, i was perplexed when I heard that its actually a very new thing. It seems like SA just wants to be known for cheap annoying plastic horns?

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Daetlus:

That was my thought. A bunch of noise is a bunch of noise any way you look at it

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jya:

i wonder how well filtering those 4 frequencies work..

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jya:

will be for trunk only the patch, will work well with the new float stream

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muh2000:

why trunk only? when it works well and stable, why not in stable? that feature makes me want to see mythtv with relay function even more :D

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wagnerrp:

stable doesnt get new features

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wagnerrp:

he would have to backport his entire audio rewrite to add it to -fixes

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sphery:

why not use JACK or whatever for it?

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wagnerrp:

not a trivial amount of work

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muh2000:

i mean stable as in next new version with new features and stable...

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wagnerrp:

trunk will become 0.24 in a couple months, at which point it will be stable

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muh2000:

:)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: does trunk still kill little kitties or is it in working order?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, dont use it

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sphery:

it's killing more than kitties right now

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[R]:

not the kitties!

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muh2000:

:(

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sphery:

(that wasn't a reference to code quality or stability)

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sphery:

http://mariuskunze.de/

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wagnerrp:

the university used to have a nice map of their network infrastructure... cant seem to find it anymore

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[R]:

i once found a txt file with all the netblock allocations for my university

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wagnerrp:

last i saw, theyre were running an OC-192 ring between the five main nodes

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wagnerrp:

with -48 branching out from there to the main closets in each building

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sphery:

http://ostatic.com/blog/world-cup-vuvuzela-no . . . source-tools + http://fetzig.org/2010/06/13/vuvuzela-filter-using-fedora/

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sphery:

lots of people spending a lot of time to try to get rid of that noise

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sphery:

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/201 . . . et_rid_of_it too

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wagnerrp:

hmm... backend segfault on -fixes tonight

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wagnerrp:

just a bunch of reruns... didnt miss anything

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jya:

sphery: I find trunk rather stable lately, even with the OSD merge... surprisingly stable.

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sphery:

yeah, like I said, "(that wasn't a reference to code quality or stability)"

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jya:

i do get complete lockup of my PC, but its all in the nvidia kernel module as usual...

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sphery:

is the lockup mainly due to nvidia drivers not handling bad video?

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sphery:

(assuming vdpau)

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jya:

sphery: not sure... I see a kernel dump in the log before I have to hard reset the machine... this has happened for over 2 years, sent backtrace to nvidia many times, still happening

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sphery:

Hmmm. Strange. I was just curious. Thanks.

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k-man:

does mythstream work with .23?

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Rebecca:

hello!

[04:53:00]

Rebecca:

i have been lurking here for ages and.. it's time i went out and bought a frontend

[04:53:41]

Rebecca:

anyone know any all in one motherboards which will cheap and suitable for HDTV\

[04:53:44]

Rebecca:

?

[04:54:04]

[R]:

ions are good

[04:54:19]

Rebecca:

for doing cpu decoding?

[04:54:24]

Rebecca:

or VDPAU decoding?

[04:54:26]

wagnerrp:

not a chance for CPU decoding

[04:54:34]

Rebecca:

ok

[04:54:48]

wagnerrp:

IONs work if your content is supported by VDPAU

[04:54:59]

Rebecca:

ahhh

[04:55:00]

Rebecca:

i see

[04:55:14]

muh2000:

x264 works flawless with nvidia ion

[04:55:15]

Rebecca:

i got a lot of stuff that may not be

[04:55:24]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, you can pick up a microatx/miniitx board with a midrange AMD or Intel chip

[04:55:30]

wagnerrp:

x264 does not work at all with the IONs

[04:56:06]

Rebecca:

okay, what would be the minimum spec CPUs for playing HDTV content via CPU

[04:56:06]

muh2000:

erm i have 2 ions and it works ultrafine.

[04:56:28]

wagnerrp:

x264 does not run on VDPAU, period

[04:56:29]

Rebecca:

just so i can make sure i don't get below min

[04:56:34]

muh2000:

one zotac ion itx board and one samsung n510

[04:56:37]

wagnerrp:

define 'HDTV content'

[04:56:47]

wagnerrp:

youve got varying resolutions, bitrates, codecs

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Rebecca:

wagnerrp: okay, good point.. well.. divx encoded 1080p res

[04:57:42]

muh2000:

wagnerrp: why are you saying that it wont work on IONs?

[04:57:59]

wagnerrp:

because x264 only runs on the CPU

[04:58:05]

muh2000:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU 2nd Â§ and first hand experience on my side.

[04:58:21]

wagnerrp:

what do you think 'x264' is?

[04:58:55]

muh2000:

avc

[04:59:07]

wagnerrp:

no

[04:59:11]

Rebecca:

so, would the onboard graphics card on modern all-in-one mobos be sufficient?

[04:59:14]

wagnerrp:

x264 is a program

[04:59:29]

wagnerrp:

one that was only designed to run on a general purpose CPU

[04:59:48]

Rebecca:

if im doing cpu decoding

[04:59:53]

wagnerrp:

h.264 is a video codec, also known as AVC

[05:00:49]

wagnerrp:

that said, you can very easily encode video using x264 that VDPAU will barf on

[05:01:50]

muh2000:

newer versions of ion have removed some resolution errors etc... anyway i can run the 1080p stuff from my hd cam and the hd vids i can find...

[05:02:11]

Rebecca:

so, all-in-one with nvidia based video should do the trick?

[05:02:13]

wagnerrp:

your HD camcorder does not use x264

[05:02:21]

muh2000:

it uses avc

[05:02:29]

wagnerrp:

correct, there is a big difference

[05:02:34]

Rebecca:

o_O

[05:03:02]

muh2000:

x264 bacame somewhat a synonyme so stop splitting hais i got it now :)

[05:03:13]

muh2000:

hair*

[05:03:30]

wagnerrp:

its not at all a synonym, nor should it be, so forgive me if i continue

[05:03:34]

muh2000:

well i havent checked divx stuff.

[05:03:39]

muh2000:

ok

[05:04:23]

Rebecca:

okay, im literally leaving in a few mins to buy hardware for a mythtv frontent.. anything else i should know>?

[05:04:50]

muh2000:

wagnerrp: does mythtv support vdpau?

[05:05:12]

wagnerrp:

IONs are generally liked for frontends, but you probably want something with a real processor and more expansion for a backend

[05:05:16]

wagnerrp:

muh2000: yes

[05:05:39]

wagnerrp:

has for about a year and a half now (or 8 months in a release version)

[05:06:20]

k-man:

Rebecca: have you considered the mac mini as a frontend?

[05:06:21]

[R]:

i heart vdpau

[05:06:21]

muh2000:

Rebecca: look out for the newest vdpau support

[05:06:41]

muh2000:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . 28HD.29_GPUs

[05:06:52]

wagnerrp:

muh2000: all IONs use the same 9400M

[05:06:57]

Rebecca:

k-man: nah, don't want a mac

[05:07:03]

Rebecca:

hmmm, ok

[05:07:09]

wagnerrp:

which i believe is feature set A

[05:07:21]

jya:

B

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jya:

the 9400GT is A, 9400M is B

[05:07:53]

wagnerrp:

ah, i knew the desktop variant wasnt

[05:07:57]

wagnerrp:

didnt know about the mobile

[05:08:14]

jya:

well, the mobile is really the ion chipset... much more than a GPU

[05:08:32]

muh2000:

anyway i can recommend it :) at least for the vids i watch :)

[05:08:41]

wagnerrp:

either way, A and B are largely transparent to the end user

[05:08:59]

wagnerrp:

what was previously lacking in A is now picked up by the drivers

[05:08:59]

jya:

wagnerrp: especially now that HD-DVD is dead...

[05:09:20]

wagnerrp:

didnt they move the VC1 bitstream stuff into the pixel shaders?

[05:09:26]

jya:

would have been more a problem otherwise

[05:09:49]

wagnerrp:

theres a fair bit of bluray that use VC1

[05:09:56]

jya:

they did.. in the drivers.. but still, my 9400M sees 2–3% CPU usage with VC1 decoding, while the 8600GT card, it's around 20%

[05:10:00]

muh2000:

oh and i goess a faster intel atom would be appropriate for stuff that cannot use vdpau. or a real computer with a nvidia gfx

[05:10:12]

jya:

same CPU on both

[05:10:45]

wagnerrp:

no, a faster Atom wont really do you much good for anything HD

[05:10:54]

jya:

We got a new laptop at work, it's a 1.3GHz dual core (c2d).

[05:11:18]

jya:

seems to be much faster than the atom, i wonder if they will make desktop version

[05:11:22]

muh2000:

wagnerrp: i am talking about stuff that is not supported like flash

[05:11:31]

jya:

it's in use in some toshiba laptop with like a full day battery

[05:11:34]

wagnerrp:

youve got the slow chip, and the slow chip with two cores, and considering h264 is the only thing mythtv will currently multithread decoding, it makes no difference

[05:11:48]

muh2000:

jya: there are desktop versions of the mobile c2d cpus...

[05:12:19]

jya:

it's not the same mobile processor as seen in most C2d..

[05:12:22]

jya:

googling now

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wagnerrp:

one of the ULV blend?

[05:12:33]

jya:

i had never seen it brefore

[05:12:59]

muh2000:

culv?

[05:13:16]

muh2000:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Ultra-L . . . _.2845_nm.29

[05:13:29]

jya:

ah

[05:13:32]

jya:

Intel SU4100

[05:13:38]

Pwen:

yeah its for the "real" netbooks 11"-12"

[05:13:44]

Pwen:

not those girly atom ones ;P

[05:13:48]

muh2000:

hehe

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jya:

10W TDP vs 35W

[05:14:10]

jya:

quite significant

[05:14:20]

wagnerrp:

several times the power of an Atom, for 2W more consumption

[05:14:30]

jya:

though the toshiba laptop as a 9 hours battery life, same as the macbook pro with a 2.5GHz C2D

[05:15:19]

jya:

(which has a 35W TDP)

[05:15:48]

wagnerrp:

sure, but how much bigger is the MBP?

[05:16:01]

jya:

the 13" ? not much bigger ..

[05:16:06]

jya:

the toshiba is a 14" laptop

[05:16:21]

jya:

with a 1366x768 14" screen, vs 1280x800 13"

[05:16:28]

jya:

I'd say the 13" MBP is smaller

[05:16:32]

wagnerrp:

hmm... never heard them put those ULVs in full size laptops

[05:16:48]

jya:

it is a small laptop by toshiba's standard

[05:17:02]

muh2000:

i have a c2d penryn for a file server... 35w vs. ~95 i had before

[05:18:26]

muh2000:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_P

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Rebecca:

hmmm, hard finding an all-in-one with nvidia GPU.. seems to be lots of ATI and Intel GPUs instead

[05:19:49]

[R]:

Rebecca: zotac

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[R]:

any ion

[05:19:59]

wagnerrp:

are you looking for a board or a full system?

[05:20:48]

Rebecca:

wagnerrp: components, im quite capable building it myselfg

[05:20:51]

Rebecca:

-g

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Rebecca:

[R]: hmmm. havn't seen them around here but ill keep my eyes open

[05:21:49]

muh2000:

Zotac ION ITX E Synergy Edition

[05:21:55]

Pwen:

I have a Celeron 1000Mhz file server, with 5 7200rpm hard disks it maxes out at whole-system ~44 watts. they dont make em like they used to. (that said, it is very slow :p)

[05:21:59]

[R]:

Rebecca: thats what the internet is for

[05:22:03]

muh2000:

Zotac ION ITX E Synergy Edition

[05:22:10]

muh2000:

erm

[05:22:12]

muh2000:

Zotac ION ITX F, GeForce 9400

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muh2000:

Pwen: lol @ slow :)

[05:22:46]

wagnerrp:

Pwen: those disks alone should be more than 44W when you take into account PSU inefficiencies

[05:23:13]

muh2000:

5 in idle=25watt 5 under load=50watt

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wagnerrp:

especially considering the PSU you have with an old P3 is probably around 65–70%

[05:23:27]

Pwen:

wagnerrp: I measured it with an inline power meter

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Pwen:

maybe it was out

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Pwen:

or maybe the disks arent all 7200rpm, some are "Green" drives

[05:24:13]

wagnerrp:

was it one that properly handled low power factor?

[05:24:22]

Pwen:

dunno

[05:24:49]

Pwen:

it was cheap and from the local electronics store :) so my guess is probably not? :p

[05:25:23]

Pwen:

http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MS6115

[05:25:25]

Rebecca:

oh, i see, those zotac boards arn't cheap

[05:25:49]

wagnerrp:

Rebecca: what are you expecting as far as price?

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Rebecca:

but i guess considering they are small and have a cpu on board..

[05:26:17]

[R]:

i got my zotac for like $85

[05:26:29]

Pwen:

Rebecca: no they arent. you are better off (IMO) buying a mini-itx + low-power pentium/athlon and dedicated graphics card. comes out around the same price but much more expandable.

[05:26:40]

wagnerrp:

right, you toss in $25 of memory, a $25 case, get one that comes with a DC PSU, and youre finished for <<$200

[05:27:07]

Rebecca:

hmmm, ok :)

[05:27:19]

[R]:

wagnerrp: memorys pretty expensive still

[05:27:35]

wagnerrp:

thats for a 1GB stick

[05:27:56]

Pwen:

http://owened.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=co . . . ac2614e99a54

[05:28:04]

Pwen:

http://owened.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=co . . . ac2614e99a54

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[R]:

http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjI0MA==

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[R]:

i want that

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Pwen:

http://owened.net/computers <-- scroll down to htpc section for specs

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wagnerrp:

bleh... slim 5.25" bay

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Pwen:

Antec cases definitely worth it IMO

[05:30:40]

[R]:

i like that it has an lcd

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[R]:

but thats too much money

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wagnerrp:

its a custom LCD, thats not the Fusion

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[R]:

"i like that it has space for an lcd"

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[R]:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

NSK-2650 or something

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wagnerrp:

2480

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Pwen:

I love the LCD on mine

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Pwen:

so useful, you can see when its recording, what its recording, etc. displays what menu you are in when you browse through stuff

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[R]:

i want one for time

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Pwen:

yep it displays tiem as well

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wagnerrp:

heh... ive got a VCR for that

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Pwen:

coputers are amazing these days :p

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wagnerrp:

(thats its only purpose)

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Pwen:

kind of an expensive (power) and large clock, wagnerrp ?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: rofl

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wagnerrp:

its filing up a slot on the entertainment center that would otherwise be empty, pulls maybe a couple bucks worth of power a year

[05:35:34]

Pwen:

since I upgraded to 0.24+fixes my lcd never goes blank anymore either. its awesome.

[05:35:46]

wagnerrp:

0.24+fixes?

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[R]:

Please note: the HD PVR is backordered until the week of June 21. We apologize for the inconvenience.

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[R]:

they lowered msrp to $200?

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sphery:

wouldn't that be 0.24 minus fixes

[05:36:21]

sphery:

(and features)

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wagnerrp:

0.23+development

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sphery:

heh

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Pwen:

I dunnu, mythbuntu calls it 0.24+fixes

[05:37:17]

sphery:

ah, packager version numbers

[05:37:29]

sphery:

yeah, it's trunk, which is the unstable development branch

[05:37:33]

Pwen:

yep

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sphery:

so there aren't fixes so much as features and bugs to fix

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Rebecca:

okay, im off to my local computer place.. ~15 IT shops in one building. wish me luck :D

[05:38:28]

Pwen:

Rebecca: whereabouts is that?

[05:40:10]

Rebecca:

capitol square in sydney

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Rebecca:

near china town

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[R]:

Australia mate?

[05:41:49]

[R]:

do your toilets really flush backwards?

[05:41:52]

Rebecca:

ken oath

[05:42:11]

Rebecca:

no, yours do

[05:42:17]

[R]:

HAHA

[05:42:57]

Rebecca:

anyway, really going naow

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Rebecca:

bai and thx

[05:43:17]

Pwen:

I ride my trusty kangaroo to work

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[R]:

lol

[05:43:31]

Pwen:

catch a wombat taxi when I get pissed

[05:44:08]

** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

met one of the authors of YAML this evening.

[05:44:57]

Beirdo:

and many other things...

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sidh:

Greetings

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sidh:

i've set up mythtv on a dedicated debian squeeze machine, everything seems to run fine but the MythVideo, i get these 2 errors : Couldn't upgrade video database schema, exiting. Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'.

[06:22:44]

wagnerrp:

it should give a schema version at which it failed

[06:22:56]

wagnerrp:

what version are you upgrading from?

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sidh:

it is mythtv 0.23 and Current MythVideo Schema Version (mythvideo.DBSchemaVer): 1011

[06:24:09]

wagnerrp:

oof... thats an old one

[06:24:26]

wagnerrp:

do you have any tv content? or is it all movies?

[06:25:18]

wagnerrp:

i woudl suggest just dumping the whole lot, rescanning, and pulling new metadata

[06:25:26]

sidh:

wagnerrp: i didn't upgrade anything, i just installed mythtv with aptitude as mentionned in the mythtvfr wiki (not the whole mythtv metapackage but the -backend -frontend and so on)

[06:25:57]

wagnerrp:

do you not use mythvideo?

[06:26:03]

sidh:

wagnerrp: I just installed it , tv works , but i didn't record anything

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sidh:

wagnerrp: i really would like so I have a NFS/ZFS Nas that wait for filling mythtv database ;)

[06:27:34]

wagnerrp:

and you installed using an old database?

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sidh:

no it was a first shot for all the dedicated machine backend + frontend)

[06:28:29]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt fail a database creation from empty

[06:29:52]

wagnerrp:

i would try this... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

[06:30:13]

sidh:

wagnerrp: http://mythtv-fr.tuxfamily.org/wiki/debian_paquets_mythtv that is what i did

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sidh:

wagnerrp: does dropped tables will be recreated at the next mythfrontend startup ?

[06:33:24]

wagnerrp:

if you drop the tables and move the schemaver setting as detailed on that post

[06:33:29]

wagnerrp:

it will be as if you had never run mythvideo before

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sidh:

wagnerrp: the log file is empty

[06:38:03]

muh2000:

can mythtv play a running tv show that is recored....?

[06:38:21]

wagnerrp:

play a show that is currently being recorded?

[06:38:22]

wagnerrp:

yes

[06:38:56]

muh2000:

ok and auto delete after the show has finished?

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wagnerrp:

shows recorded through livetv will be deleted within 24 hours, or sooner if you run out space

[06:39:39]

muh2000:

ok thnx :)

[06:39:42]

wagnerrp:

all other recordings will be deleted (or not) as per your auto-expire rules

[06:39:51]

muh2000:

ok

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sidh:

wagnerrp: seems to works now i can set up mythvideo settings and so on

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sidh:

really thank you

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justinh:

sphery: you wag :-) you got me, I put my hands up

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sidh:

when I set up Video media directory (Mythvideo) I set the parent directory "/whereis/films" that contain different type of movie directories (/whereis/films/ACTION, /whereis/films/MANGA and so on) but when i go in the media menu, it list nothing , any idea ?

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justinh:

rm -rf /whereis/films/MANGA/ blech

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sidh:

Ghibli's are stat of art

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justinh:

sidh: unless you have ISOs you're better off with storage groups

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sidh:

state

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justinh:

run mythtv-setup, set the video SG for /whereis/films then they'll automagically be found my all frontends with mythvideo

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justinh:

after you 'scan for changes' of course

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sidh:

ok

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sidh:

SG stand for ?

[07:32:14]

justinh:

Storage Group

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sidh:

justinh: does the /whereis/films directory has to belong to the user that is running mythfrontend ?

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sidh:

i ask because it is a NFS share and mythtv user has only r_x on this directory

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justinh:

muh. well have a guess. to be able to read files in the dir, will the user running a program have to have read permissions on the files? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Rebecca:

back :D

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justinh:

for storage groups to work the directories and the files in the directories must be readable – and in some cases writable by the user mythbackend runs as

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Rebecca:

so, i ended up getting a ion 330 based nettop box thing

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Rebecca:

with dual core atom

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justinh:

that's nice, dear

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sidh:

justinh: I've just ask that question because , as for pictures directory, the mythv user that is running mythfrontend could need write perms to write thumbs.db files for others meta informations, i do not know

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justinh:

read permissions is a minimum

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justinh:

silly question

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justinh:

but frontends can delete videos now.. so if you don't want that to happen make the actual videos SG read only

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Rebecca:

justinh: it is good :D

[08:02:16]

Rebecca:

so.. just got a question about mythtv distros.. my media PC will primarily be used as a mythtv frontend, but i also want the capability to use the desktop environment.. should i go mythbuntu or ubuntu with mythtv installed, or.. other?

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justinh:

a desktop has no place on a television set :)

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justinh:

put it this way.. if you go with mythbuntu you can still install desktop apps.. and it has a desktop environment of sorts IIRC

[08:05:02]

justinh:

if you go with plain ubuntu you're lumbered with GNOME

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justinh:

blech

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justinh:

and window decorations which are all wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Arghhh stop trying to copy the Mac!

[08:06:26]

Rebecca:

okay. so ignoring your critique of the ubuntu gui.. is there anything wrong with putting myth on stock ubuntu? ie: will it hamper performance?

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justinh:

shouldn't do

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justinh:

why would a desktop environment introduce overhead?

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justinh:

(stupid desktop effects aside I mean)

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justinh:

btw for best results, disable Compiz

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Rebecca:

ja

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Jay2k1:

mythbuntu uses xfce

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justinh:

if you want your windows to wobble, take some LSD

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Jay2k1:

lol

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justinh:

wobble/melt/catch fire/zoom

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justinh:

*at random

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justinh:

Rebecca: don't get me wrong, I don't just dislike GNOME. I also have a high disregard for KDE

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justinh:

and Windows. And computers in general really

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Rebecca:

lol

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Rebecca:

okay

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justinh:

anyway time to go to work or I'll be late

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Rebecca:

so, how have you got myth setup justinh ?

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Rebecca:

k

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Jay2k1:

btw what you mean with window decorations / copying mac?

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Jay2k1:

well answer later

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Rebecca:

well, ill give mythbuntu a spin i guess

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Jay2k1:

i'm using it and it's fine

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Rebecca:

Jay2k1: do you use it for other stuff, like webbrowsing?

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Jay2k1:

plus many people use it, so there's a big chance if you run into problems, you'll find some help or forum thread discussing it

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Jay2k1:

no, it's on a 30" CRT TV heh... wouldn't be of much use

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Jay2k1:

but it's basically a plain ubuntu with XFCE

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Jay2k1:

you can install firefox, openoffice, whatever you want

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Rebecca:

yup

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Rebecca:

i like that

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justinh:

Jay2k1: the moved the window maximise, minimise & close buttons to the left

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justinh:

it's easy to change though.. but still an annoyance

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justinh:

10.04 does look nicer than before though. but that's more down to theming than anything else

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justinh:

ISL83072EIUZA

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justinh:

oops

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Jay2k1:

oh right

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justinh:

silly hardware designer speccing an 8-pin MSOP device where an 8-pin SOIC is currently fitted. Horrible, horrible mods needed to place that. Or a board re-spin

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Jay2k1:

didn't look at 10.04 though

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Jay2k1:

apart from uses like myth, i wouldn't use linux as a desktop OS

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justinh:

I don't either

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justinh:

not until there's a halfway decent video editor / audio sequencer / graphics program. GIMP is simply awful

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Jay2k1:

apart from that, you don't necessarily have to assume that moving the buttons to the left is copying mac, it might as well be seen as being different from windows

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justinh:

heh

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Jay2k1:

...which would be copying mac in the end as well but... you know heh

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justinh:

I wonder how many mac users move the window decorations

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justinh:

wonder if I'd have liked BEOS

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Jay2k1:

what would be the fastest / less resource hungry way to copy a directory tree locally? recursive cp?

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justinh:

I dunno, I normally just use rsync with preserve everything set

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justinh:

you can rate limit rsync

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Jay2k1:

that's not the problem

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Jay2k1:

usually i go with rsync -ah --progress

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justinh:

I think they're all much of a muchness

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Jay2k1:

but that damn buffalo terastation gets a load of 2.5 from rsync

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justinh:

maybe a rate limit would help ;-)

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Jay2k1:

and like 2.5mb/s :/

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justinh:

and a cp doesn't?

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Jay2k1:

i want to copy files faster

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Jay2k1:

dunno really

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justinh:

I'd expect it to perform the same whatever

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justinh:

the other thing about rsync is you get to see a progress indicator :)

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Jay2k1:

the weird thing is, when connecting the usb disk to the terastation directly, i get about 2.5mb/s, when i mount it on my mac and copy via rsync however, it's faster

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justinh:

even cp -v isn't enough for me

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Jay2k1:

yeah ditto

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justinh:

that's not weird

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justinh:

that just says the terastation is rubbish at networking

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Jay2k1:

i don't even know anything about the cp syntax because i stick to rsync all the time

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justinh:

if I want to copy multi GB in one shot I tend to whip the HDD out & use my USB-SATA converter

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Jay2k1:

well, that's why i tried attaching the usb disk directly

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justinh:

30MB/sec minimum :)

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Jay2k1:

problem is that the terastation consists of four hdds in a raid5 :P

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justinh:

I could really do with one of those desktop thingies where you slot the HDD into it

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Jay2k1:

its a crappy device, i already know that, but *that* crappy...

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justinh:

or 2

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

software RAID huh

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Jay2k1:

i guess

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justinh:

assume it is.. it's not gonna have much CPU in it either

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justinh:

though if it's faster over USB...

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Jay2k1:

nope

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Jay2k1:

well it's *not*

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Jay2k1:

rsync over network goes up to like 4mb/s

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Jay2k1:

smb is around that too i believe

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justinh:

oooo as much as that? remind me to never buy one ;)

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Jay2k1:

cpu : 82xx

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Jay2k1:

revision : 16.20 (pvr 8081 1014)

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Jay2k1:

bogomips : 173.26

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Jay2k1:

vendor : Motorola SPS

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Jay2k1:

machine : Sandpoint

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Jay2k1:

hmm... so much for /proc/cpuinfo

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Jay2k1:

if it would make sense i'd say the cpu is software emulated

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Jay2k1:

that's what it feels like

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justinh:

I'd have thought that thing would've been panned in every review & never sold if it was that bad

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Jay2k1:

it was made at times when 250gb hdds were the biggest you could get

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justinh:

still though.. 2.5mb/sec is awful

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Jay2k1:

yes.

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Jay2k1:

gonna umount and go with samba i guess

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justinh:

heck even 2.5MB/sec is awful

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justinh:

I know software RAID adds overhead but sheesh

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Jay2k1:

although there's no raid related process on top of top

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Jay2k1:

only two rsync processes, and then usb-storage0 with 0.1% cpu

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Jay2k1:

there is a raid5d but the only time i've seen it being active is when the raid was first checked after being created

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justinh:

heh I assumed software RAID because it's so sucky. it could still be done in hardware

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Jay2k1:

i guess it is hardware but cheap

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Jay2k1:

without a dedicated chip for XOR calculations a raid5 will always suck more or less

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justinh:

mmmm QTouch ICs

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justinh:

capacitive touch panels

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justinh:

:D

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Jay2k1:

capacitive touch rocks

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Jay2k1:

except you're wearing gloves

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cavej03:

hi all, looking for some help in regards to setting up mythtv and newzealand freeview

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cavej03:

i have myth configured and i am getting channels, however, tvnz channels arent displaying at all

[10:15:16]

cavej03:

im using a nvidia ion mobo with atom dual core 1.6 and 9400m gpu and vdpau is enabled

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cavej03:

am using this channel correctly i.e. can people read tihs

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sidh:

ChanServ: /j #oracle

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sidh:

oops

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cavej03:

#hi

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justinh:

cavej03: how do you mean 'not displaying' ??

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cavej03:

justinh, sorry for late reply it displayed it at first but it was cut off and broken

[10:54:19]

justinh:

that still isn't very clear I'm afraid

[10:54:20]

cavej03:

justinh, example like a tv with bad reception kinda

[10:54:29]

justinh:

what?

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justinh:

seriously. we need better information than that

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cavej03:

sorry its hard to explain

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justinh:

you mean it goes all blocky & crappy, jerks around a lot.. que?

[10:55:05]

cavej03:

ya

[10:55:06]

cavej03:

ya

[10:55:12]

cavej03:

if thaty

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cavej03:

and sound seems out of sync

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cavej03:

i dont belive its a video card or cpu problem as the encoding for that channel is mean to be 720p

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cavej03:

and i can watch a 1080i channel almost... perfectly

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justinh:

almost?

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justinh:

sounds like you've got problems with the quality of your signal

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cavej03:

small lines when movement

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justinh:

ah. you need to deinterlace

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cavej03:

yes

[10:56:51]

cavej03:

that sounds about right

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cavej03:

how?

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cavej03:

channel 3 in nz has interlacing

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cavej03:

are there diferent types

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justinh:

that's done by selecting a different video playback profile

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cavej03:

? i think i still have the website

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justinh:

or editing an existing profile to change the deinterlacer

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cavej03:

ok is this done in the backend?

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justinh:

no

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cavej03:

ah

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justinh:

why would it be done there?

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cavej03:

its just im using xbmc as frontend

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justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback in mythfrontend

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cavej03:

ok ill try on myth

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justinh:

arghhh

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justinh:

we do not support XBMC here

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cavej03:

i know

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justinh:

so why did you bother?

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cavej03:

im happy to use myth

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cavej03:

if needed

[10:58:53]

justinh:

anyway as for the tvnz issue.. it's likely a signal quality issue

[10:59:09]

cavej03:

sig quality is 90%

[10:59:13]

justinh:

when mythbackend is tuned to it (or any other app) run femon on the backend

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cavej03:

when scanning

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justinh:

bah

[10:59:29]

justinh:

you need to know the numbers for BER & UNC

[10:59:39]

justinh:

BER == bit error rate

[10:59:46]

justinh:

UNC == uncorrectable errors

[11:00:04]

justinh:

and FYI VDPAU is worse than software decoding at coping with junk in streams when you've got signal problems

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justinh:

UNC has to be zero, ideally

[11:00:45]

justinh:

BER as low as possible too

[11:00:51]

cavej03:

ok

[11:01:02]

justinh:

femon tells you these numbers

[11:01:18]

justinh:

but for them to be relevant the tuner must be tuned to the channel you're having issues with

[11:02:17]

cavej03:

it will automatically tune to 1

[11:02:20]

justinh:

as for XBMC.. there's really no excuse to use it as a mythtv frontend. and pretty soon you won't be able to use it anymore. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

[11:02:28]

cavej03:

??

[11:02:29]

cavej03:

why

[11:02:35]

cavej03:

its polished

[11:02:35]

justinh:

at least not til they clean up their act & communicate with a backend properly

[11:02:42]

cavej03:

ya

[11:02:55]

cavej03:

they do need a better system there

[11:03:02]

cavej03:

but they just droped xbox support

[11:03:10]

justinh:

they do need a better way of listing recordings too

[11:03:14]

cavej03:

so maybe they will have more time on there hands

[11:03:16]

justinh:

other than just one big frickin list

[11:03:27]

justinh:

there was only one guy maintaining the xbox builds

[11:03:34]

justinh:

until there was nobody

[11:04:17]

justinh:

as for polish.. pfft. wooo things move. BIG WOW. I prefer my UI integrated & fully capable thanks :-)

[11:04:25]

cavej03:

i agree

[11:04:39]

cavej03:

i am happy to use myth

[11:04:53]

cavej03:

im just starting out with all this and i was familer with xbmc

[11:05:17]

cavej03:

and ya i do find it more sexy i.e i can show it off to the mates a bit more ^^

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justinh:

I've tried that program a few times & I still fail to see the attraction of EverythingInOneBigList(tm)

[11:05:59]

justinh:

it's a blinking file browser with an animated UI

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cavej03:

well ur encourgaing me to use myth more ^^

[11:06:36]

cavej03:

which means ill be coming here more and noobing it up

[11:06:50]

justinh:

being a noob is not an excuse for being uninformed

[11:07:02]

cavej03:

a complete noob it is

[11:07:05]

justinh:

that's why we have docs and a wiki

[11:07:13]

justinh:

no, it's *never* an excuse

[11:07:19]

cavej03:

ya i been going through them slowly

[11:07:21]

cavej03:

lol

[11:07:28]

cavej03:

im trying to get informed

[11:08:04]

justinh:

we had somebody in here once who had a question about something they'd read in the docs.

[11:08:17]

justinh:

that was a red letter day

[11:08:33]

cavej03:

=)

[11:08:38]

justinh:

everybody else just seems to use this channel as a human reference library

[11:08:47]

justinh:

lazy gets

[11:09:01]

cavej03:

im confused as to why im getting a bad signal with one channel and not the others

[11:09:08]

cavej03:

when they all come from the same source

[11:09:51]

cavej03:

i dont think its a signal problem

[11:09:58]

cavej03:

i just tried playing in vlc

[11:10:06]

cavej03:

and while i had some quality loss

[11:10:11]

cavej03:

i can actually watch tv

[11:10:26]

justinh:

that's the difference between hardware & software decoding

[11:10:39]

justinh:

hardware can't cope as well as software with glitches in the streams

[11:10:51]

justinh:

get femon running & look at the numbers. I'm not saying it again

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cavej03:

ya ok

[11:11:01]

justinh:

that is the only way to tell if it's a signal issue or not

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cavej03:

ok

[11:14:55]

cavej03:

numbers are in hex?

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cavej03:

or im a total idiot

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justinh:

yes the numbers are hex

[11:28:40]

justinh:

at least signal level & SNR are

[11:28:56]

justinh:

not sure about BER & UNC.. I get all zeros for those :)

[11:29:26]

cavej03:

oh im a dick

[11:29:27]

cavej03:

...

[11:29:38]

cavej03:

its dvb-t

[11:29:41]

cavej03:

not s

[11:29:56]

cavej03:

arent these tools only for s

[11:30:53]

cavej03:

so what do u want to know

[11:31:05]

justinh:

language

[11:31:10]

justinh:

they're for DVB

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justinh:

all DVB

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cavej03:

ok

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justinh:

if you have anything other than zeros in BER or UNC it's bad news

[11:31:43]

cavej03:

well femon is just running in terminal now and yes

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justinh:

non zero BER is less bad news than non zero UNC

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cavej03:

both non 0

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cavej03:

first 4 numbers 0

[11:32:30]

cavej03:

then last 4 are in hex

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cavej03:

and its just going and going

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cavej03:

[11:33:15]

justinh:

so you have a signal quality issue as I suspected

[11:33:29]

cavej03:

ok so how can i fix this

[11:33:36]

justinh:

get a better signal

[11:33:36]

cavej03:

signal booster?

[11:33:39]

justinh:

better aerial aiming

[11:33:43]

justinh:

better quality cable

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cavej03:

rewire the whole house?

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cavej03:

^^

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justinh:

maye a signal booster but if you boost a bad signal.. you just get a stronger bad signal

[11:34:07]

cavej03:

ah i c

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cavej03:

so those hex numbers u just keep getting 00000000 for yours

[11:34:38]

justinh:

DVB is more susceptible to some kinds of noise than analogue

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justinh:

you can help prevent that by using CT100 or better cable from the aerial

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cavej03:

well i have both dvb-s and t

[11:35:07]

cavej03:

i could try the s adaptor

[11:35:18]

justinh:

foil screened cable is better than the old type aerial coax

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cavej03:

like the s card i have

[11:35:29]

cavej03:

ya its just old ass coax

[11:35:43]

cavej03:

what about trying satilite dish

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justinh:

how many ways is the antenna split?

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cavej03:

i have an old sky dish on the roof

[11:36:02]

justinh:

more than one split you need to boost/split

[11:36:03]

cavej03:

the whole house is wired like shit

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justinh:

LANGUAGE

[11:36:21]

cavej03:

um wired badly

[11:36:23]

justinh:

freenode is a family friendly network

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cavej03:

sorry

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cavej03:

its probably split atleast once

[11:37:00]

cavej03:

upstairs has a whole bunch of splitters

[11:37:26]

cavej03:

i dont know enough quite simply i know nothing

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cavej03:

would dvb-s be easier to configure

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justinh:

put it this way – my signal is 5/5 – very good – from my aerial on the roof

[11:39:04]

justinh:

but if I split it more than once it worsens

[11:39:12]

justinh:

which is why I have an amplified splitter

[11:39:24]

jya:

anyone running trunk and wanting to test my vuvuzela filter?

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justinh:

I take the aerial & it comes out 4 ways to my tuner cards :)

[11:40:08]

justinh:

jya: lol

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justinh:

what is it.. just a fancy EQ?

[11:40:38]

jya:

it works better than most of the solution there http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/201 . . . t_rid_of_it,

[11:40:48]

jya:

but it's still not great

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justinh:

the broadcasters should make use of extra audio streams.. one with the offending noise & one without :)

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justinh:

it's not like their mixing boards can't do it

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jya:

I apply 4 notch filter in a row (band-stop filters)

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jya:

BBC has stated that from today they were going to remove those frequencies...

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jya:

not such luck with SBS here in Oz

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cavej03:

i just need a simple method

[11:42:16]

cavej03:

what about hdhomerun?

[11:42:28]

cavej03:

and stream it to my hdtvbox

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jya:

some tuning of the band-stop filter is required...

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justinh:

cavej03: if your signal is still mush it won't help much

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justinh:

it *might* help is the tuner is outside the backend machine.. it might not

[11:46:29]

cavej03:

Ok in the morning ill try a direct connection to the aerial

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cavej03:

i still dont understand why i get tv3 perfectly tho

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justinh:

because not all frequencies are affected the same way

[11:47:38]

cavej03:

but its like crystal clear

[11:47:45]

cavej03:

just the interlacing problem

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justinh:

so?

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cavej03:

you know best.

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cavej03:

so nothing

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cavej03:

just sucks

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justinh:

different frequencies can come through just fine

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justinh:

it might be that one channel is on a transport in one part of the band and the other channels are on a transport in another part of the band

[11:48:53]

justinh:

your aerial might not be optimal for picking up all frequencies

[11:49:14]

justinh:

so some signals in different parts of the TV band come in at different strengths

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justinh:

or the aiming might just be a little off

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justinh:

or any number of things

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justinh:

there are a lot of variables

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cavej03:

ya

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cavej03:

alright

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cavej03:

im going to sleep

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cavej03:

thanks so much

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cavej03:

for all your help

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cavej03:

im gonna read up a bit more on femon just to be sure its on the right channel and also to try the tv3 channel

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cavej03:

see what results i get ther

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cavej03:

anyways

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cavej03:

thanks again

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justinh:

femon just mo... arghh what is the USE?

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lapion:

Hello,

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lapion:

quite oftenly when editing video the left cursor key make the video skip forward instead of backwards when set below one minute

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lapion:

sorry when blow the 5 sec

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justinh:

so don't do that then :)

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jya:

For those interested: vuvuzela filter http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8568

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Jay2k1:

what the..

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Jay2k1:

lol

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deegan:

:)

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Jay2k1:

i assume .patch means recompiling huh?

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jya:

I'm not 100% happy with the results so far, need to talk to my DSP engineer and mathematician at work see if they can find better bi-quad filter coefficient

[13:00:29]

jya:

yes, you'll have to recompile...

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Jay2k1:

i'm one of those noob users who use pre-built packages :/

[13:02:37]

jya:

and you need to run trunk... Backporting to 0.23 would be too much effort

[13:02:52]

Jay2k1:

i guess there's no easy way, like a plugin you'd just have to throw into the directory and activate somewhere

[13:03:09]

jya:

yes, it's called a patch, then you quickly recompile and hop you go :)

[13:03:16]

Jay2k1:

i'll go with vuvuzelas then i guess

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Jay2k1:

heh :)

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Rebecca:

hi Jay2k1

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Jay2k1:

hi there

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jya:

Jay2k1: are you using trunk?

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jya:

if so having packages isn't going to be too difficult

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Jay2k1:

nope, fixes (on mythbuntu)

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Rebecca:

so.. im transitioning to mythtv and was wondering. can i use the frontend to browse media on my non-myth server?

[13:05:09]

Jay2k1:

i just think when running fixes, the chance of not breaking anything is bigger

[13:05:16]

jya:

funny things, after watching a game for one hour, the vuvuzela sounds as lound as they used to be :)

[13:05:22]

Rebecca:

eventually ill have a myth backend but one new PC at a time..

[13:05:26]

justinh:

Rebecca: network shares, sure

[13:05:26]

jya:

you get used to the lower volume and it sounds high again

[13:05:37]

Jay2k1:

heh

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Rebecca:

justinh: sshfs works?

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justinh:

jya: psychology of acoustics :)

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Jay2k1:

on the other hand, if you listen to the normal sound, you'll eventually get used to it

[13:06:11]

justinh:

Rebecca: no share works directly – you've got to mount stuff & look at files as if they were local

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Jay2k1:

it's just a pity that you can hardly hear the cheering

[13:06:36]

Rebecca:

justinh: okay, ill give that a try

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justinh:

solve the problem by not watching the World Cup Of Soccer at all :D

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XLV:

Jay2k1, good thing is you mute it completely and you dont have to bear the commentators

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XLV:

here they are the lamest of the lame

[13:07:03]

jya:

justinh: you're in the US right?

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justinh:

jya: no, but I call it that to annoy UK folks

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Jay2k1:

XLV how boring

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justinh:

cos they annoy me with their constant armchair manager tactics

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XLV:

justinh, armchair coaching is great.. couch coaching is where things get out of hand

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justinh:

and their constant referral to the team as 'us' and 'we', as if they're in the team lol

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jya:

they are... that's why it's called a world cup...

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jya:

it's not just a team playing

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jya:

it's a whole country

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XLV:

nope

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jya:

that's the beauty of it

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justinh:

it's 11 losers on a field

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Jay2k1:

heh, i was so happy when i noticed that they'd broadcast the matches in 5.1 DD so could enjoy it on my relatively new surround setup – guess how disappointed i was after watching the first game

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justinh:

11 overpaid losers

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XLV:

for 50 years and more, football is a business

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XLV:

go cheer for ibm, dell or ms.. would you?

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Jay2k1:

england didn't really play well :/

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jya:

england proved the world that nothing is simple...

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justinh:

Jay2k1: I'll let you into a little secret: THEY NEVER DO

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jya:

not even keeping a ball in your hand :)

[13:09:54]

XLV:

justinh, and they get all the girls, those fsckiers

[13:09:59]

Jay2k1:

XLV there are people that cheer for apple :P

[13:10:07]

XLV:

Jay2k1, true...

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justinh:

there's always this frenzy & hype surrounding how 'it's coming home' but really since 1966 there's barely even been a sniff of a chance

[13:10:53]

justinh:

and I'd care less if games didn't mess up the schedules for those of us who don't give a damn either way

[13:10:57]

Jay2k1:

well, to me it seemed that rooney was the only one who tried to actually work a bit there

[13:11:44]

Jay2k1:

but then again, except one game, the whole world cup is quite disappointing until now

[13:11:47]

justinh:

how long does a game last? 10 hours.. pre-match analysis, the match itself, half time break, more match & then another 3 hours of analysis

[13:12:50]

justinh:

I don't mind the fact it's a popular sport – what gets me is how it's popular to the exclusion of everything else – it's like a cult

[13:13:11]

justinh:

as for patriotism.. they can shove it :)

[13:13:26]

justinh:

one race. the human race

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Rebecca:

woo, i love earth!

[13:15:21]

justinh:

who's heard the one about FIFA ordering people to take down videos they shot inside the stadiums?

[13:15:32]

rileyp:

Justinh I see you fixed up graphite schedule-ui Thankyou very much

[13:15:36]

justinh:

like – their OWN videos shot on their OWN cameras

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justinh:

pure evil, that

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Jay2k1:

o.O

[13:16:09]

justinh:

rileyp: you're welcome. somebody had to do it & you were getting nowhere fast ;)

[13:16:22]

justinh:

it was either a case of tell you how to do it step by step or... ;)

[13:16:26]

Jay2k1:

omg... that reminds me of concerts where you're not allowed to film or photograph

[13:16:34]

justinh:

shouldn't put you off learning theming though

[13:16:47]

Jay2k1:

just that this is not some concert

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rileyp:

Justin I'm just install svn now

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justinh:

banning filming is one thing.. claiming the whole event is copyrighted is er.. tenuous

[13:17:21]

rileyp:

will this enable it

[13:17:23]

justinh:

rileyp: you don't need SVN

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rileyp:

ahhhh

[13:17:39]

justinh:

you can download the file & put it in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Graphite yourself

[13:17:56]

justinh:

I'll dig a link out for you

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rileyp:

isnt that a diff though?

[13:18:07]

justinh:

no

[13:18:12]

rileyp:

meaning id need to patch it

[13:18:25]

rileyp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/25111

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justinh:

no you don't

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/25121/branc . . . edule-ui.xml

[13:19:58]

justinh:

there!

[13:20:49]

justinh:

patching would be easy too

[13:20:53]

justinh:

download the diff

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justinh:

yada yada

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rileyp:

well svn is making my terminal screen go physco

[13:21:45]

rileyp:

when it finishes i can always remove it cant I

[13:22:05]

rileyp:

not really sure what its doing

[13:22:12]

justinh:

you just doing an svn co ?

[13:22:18]

Rebecca:

hey, just wondering if this is supported and/or possible with mythtv/mythbuntu: suspending / restoring the system via remote control

[13:22:25]

rileyp:

i found this http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

[13:22:39]

justinh:

Rebecca: not supported by mythtv as such. you have to add the remote config yourself

[13:22:47]

justinh:

since many remotes and configs differ

[13:23:49]

Rebecca:

justinh: heard of anyone getting the system to restore via remote?

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rileyp:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-23-fixes/ mythtv-0-svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-23-fixes/ mythtv-0–23svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-23-fixes/ mythtv-0–23

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rileyp:

23

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justinh:

rileyp: just CTRL C it

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rileyp:

done

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justinh:

Rebecca: there's stuff in the wiki about it

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justinh:

rileyp: then just wget http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/25121/branc . . . edule-ui.xml

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rileyp:

then apt remove svn?

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justinh:

then copy it to /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Graphite

[13:24:51]

justinh:

no

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Rebecca:

ok

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justinh:

just delete the directories if you want

[13:25:24]

justinh:

they're likely only in your home dir anyway

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rileyp:

Justinh Its now working....

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justinh:

yay

[13:29:14]

rileyp:

Justinh Thanks its now works!

[13:29:20]

justinh:

my 1st commit in ages

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justinh:

may be the last for a while...

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justinh:

eew Google Docs can't do .odt ? Meh

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oobe:

but not many people use odt

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oobe:

so im sure it doesnt matter

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oobe:

/msg nickserv identify asdasoiasfnasfaslkfnasfljkansfasfas

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oobe:

woops dont tell anyone my password

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justinh:

not many people use google docs either

[13:32:29]

oobe:

yea

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oobe:

so it matters even less

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rileyp:

justinh I started reading some of the documentation on theming this arvo and I lost interest very quick..

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justinh:

hahahaha

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justinh:

BAD USER

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rileyp:

But I did notice I can put artwork in the background of graphite...

[13:38:53]

rileyp:

I might have another look at that

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justinh:

darn, I thought we might have got ourselves another theme creator

[13:38:59]

justinh:

we need less sucky themes

[13:39:07]

justinh:

or rather more not sucky themes

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rileyp:

If I had myth running smooth as silk Id be happy to commit some time

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rileyp:

But as it stands Ive been setting up since xmas and Im still playing

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rileyp:

Its just a stiff climb when you started playing with msdos when your 13 years old and start on your fisrt linux pc at age 38

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

how steep the curve is depends on which distro you start with

[13:42:29]

justinh:

I went in at the deep end with a gentoo stage 1 install

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justinh:

had to patch the kernel to make my tuner work

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rileyp:

well i had a play with arch for a while and that helped me along quite a bit

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rileyp:

But Im back buntu cause you download a mythbuntu cd and bang its up in a short while

[13:45:08]

justinh:

don't think mythbuntu is a much faster way to go than standard ubuntu

[13:45:41]

rileyp:

At last Ive got the basics of partitioning/grub/ network set up /and myth database repair replace under control...

[13:46:11]

rileyp:

mythbuntu is prolly a little slower as half the procs are missing...

[13:46:18]

rileyp:

when peole suggest stuff

[13:46:57]

rileyp:

but Im used the xfce desktop and know my way round it.

[13:47:47]

rileyp:

Im happy with terminal though never saw it as a scary place or anything like some do

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rileyp:

do you want a list of text boxes that are undersized in myth so you can spend all your future spare time fixing them?future

[13:49:19]

justinh:

do you want a flea in your ear?

[13:49:25]

rileyp:

If I put it in the mailing list would it fall on deaf ears?

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rileyp:

oIm sure all you guys know them anyway dont you?

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justinh:

that's ****ing gratitude for ya

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rileyp:

Hey you and wagnerp and sphery are the best hands down.

[13:53:26]

rileyp:

goodnight! Its bedtime in skippyland work at 5.40 am

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rileyp:

cheers rileyp

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wagnerrp:

?

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justinh:

honestly, some people!

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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ThisOtherGuy:

Can anyone help me with this compile error: http://pastebin.com/yqnaHZYf

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre trying to force compiling with VDPAU, when libvdpau is not actually installed

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ThisOtherGuy:

I'm using lucid and I installed nvidia-current-dev do I need libvdpau-dev as well? is version 0.3–2 ok?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

#mythbuntu or #ubuntu would know

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ThisOtherGuy:

k – thanks

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ThisOtherGuy:

fyi: installing libvdpau-dev did the trick

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cara_:

Greetings. How can I emulate the ESC key on the frontend using the mouse only ?

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justinh:

send a telnet command saying 'back' perhaps?

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justinh:

triggered from an onscreen button

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justinh:

I heard somebody has already done that type of thing with a flash program on the O2 joggler

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justinh:

blech. Flash :-\

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cara_:

That would work. Is there any docs on the telnet interface (apart from the source) ?

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wagnerrp:

the wiki

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wagnerrp:

specifically http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket

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justinh:

and the telnet interface itself. it has help commands

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justinh:

enable the socket on the frontend. restart mythfrontend. off you go

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wagnerrp:

cara_: also see commentary in the other channel

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justinh:

as for other changes... maybe look into extending the existing mythui osd code to allow onscreen buttons if it doesn't already

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justinh:

I imagine it might not be hard to detect cursor movement – then show the control portion of the OSD

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justinh:

course that's only in trunk – but then any development you do is best done against trunk anyway or you'd be entirely wasting your own time

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wagnerrp:

or you could just assign a gesture to bring up a new themed menu

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justinh:

aye once gestures are fixed :)

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wagnerrp:

hey, you can use gestures to do whatever you want

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wagnerrp:

as long as that motion is 'Up'

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justinh:

heh. dog just killed another bee. miracle he's not been stung yet

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wagnerrp:

theres some 64 different gesture combinations available, and like 55 are recognized as 'Up'

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cara_:

I'm looking into this to setup a frontend with a resistive touchscreen. On a resistive touchscreen movement detection isn't very accurate; you have to press relatively hard to detect a touch and moving across the screen isn't all that reliable.

[16:36:30]

cara_:

So gestures on a resistive touchscreen probably wouldn't work all that well...

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justinh:

not a joggler by any chance?

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justinh:

oh no its is capacitive... and also fairly inaccurate

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cara_:

My (quick and dirty) idea is an external app that overlays a top-most window over the frontend (same code as KSnapshot from KDE) and capture the mouse. Once it gets a touch (click) it queries the frontend about the location, puts up an os-screen remote that is setup for that particular location with only relevant controls. From there a press on the remote sends controls through telnet or a press outside hides the control.

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justinh:

ouch

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justinh:

it'd benefit everybody if you did it properly by changing mythfrontend though

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justinh:

and since the osd code is now mythui'd that might well be much easier than before

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justinh:

certainly worth looking at

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justinh:

qt prolly already detects a mouse click whatever mythtv is doing, it's just that nothing is looking for it during playback yet

[16:43:31]

ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – has anyone tried out the vuvuzela filter?

[16:43:43]

cara_:

Agreed, but due to time constraints I need to setup up this fast. Messing with trunk would take a lot more time.

[16:44:19]

justinh:

cara_: sad. coding against 0.23-fixes will likely result in the status quo remaining :-(

[16:44:21]

ThisOtherGuy:

I just applied the patch and can't wait to try it out at the SA game tonight

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justinh:

cara_: still though – it could possibly provide some benefit – providing ideas about how such an interface should work for instance :)

[16:46:26]

justinh:

a working case for you – a test case for anybody else ;)

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cara_:

justinh: My idea should work with any frontend version as long as the telnet interface remains the same. As soon as I get something working I'll pop back to announce and post the stuff somewhere for everybody to play with. From there on, if I get more free time, I would be willing to contribute more closely to Myth and tackle mouse/touch support (no promises, though :-) )

[16:52:08]

justinh:

cool

[16:52:36]

justinh:

I understand the need to scratch an itch, but sometimes it works for more people's benefit if things are done 'the myth way' :)

[16:53:02]

justinh:

all I'm pointing out – not raining on your parade I hope

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justinh:

we must do all we can to encourage new contributions, yada yada

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justinh:

ideas are great, but ideas that come with code.. YAY

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high-rez:

The bluray support in 0.24 – does it support menus etc ? I noticed it just starts playing the movie and I couldn't figure out how to get to the menu.

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justinh:

some dvds are like that. how the heck does the menu work? arghh what's highlighted there? arghh!

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justinh:

;)

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: You're using trunk, you need to read the commits

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iamlindoro:

since your question is literally, explicitly addressed by them

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banyan_:

Hello all! Anyone using the fedora-packaged version of myth on f13? I'm trying to decide whether it's time to upgrade from f12, or wait.

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justinh:

does f13 have anything your life depends on? if not, stick with F12

[17:28:24]

justinh:

sensible upgrade policy :)

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banyan_:

I don't think it does, but I don't want to be orphaned, nor do I want to reload from scratch or do more than one upgrade at a time at some future point... so I usually get on the treadmill once every 6 months just to stay current.

[17:29:52]

justinh:

staying current is a self-fulfilling prophecy whose road is filled with potholes

[17:30:10]

justinh:

if it ain't broke, no need to update. simples!

[17:30:24]

wagnerrp:

unless youre running gentoo... :)

[17:30:27]

banyan_:

If myth as-packaged is working well in f13, that's my cue to bite the bullet.

[17:30:45]

justinh:

what version are they shipping in f13?

[17:30:54]

wagnerrp:

and f12?

[17:30:56]

justinh:

prolly just a slightly newer -fixes

[17:31:03]

justinh:

or possibly the same

[17:31:29]

justinh:

or possibly encumbered with pulseaudio... ach nightmare

[17:31:30]

banyan_:

0.22–20091023

[17:31:32]

banyan_:

in f12 that is.

[17:32:01]

banyan_:

yeah, I'm now used to having to exit out of the frontend if I want to go to youtube because otherwise I don't get audio, lol

[17:32:04]

justinh:

can't speak for 0.22.. never ran it.... but 0.23 has been fine so far in everyday use

[17:32:21]

AndyCap:

0.23

[17:32:22]

AndyCap:

http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/ . . . /mythtv.html

[17:32:48]

justinh:

time to prepare the bag of trick for dog training :)

[17:32:53]

justinh:

*tricks, even

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banyan_:

do you burn dvds of recordings? That's probably the most "exotic" thing I do, well, that and I have a frontend running both on the backend and on another machine.

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banyan_:

Honestly, and this speaks to your point, justinh, I have learned that it's things like updates to grub, or software raid that burn me more so than getting love out of myth once the system's running.

[17:34:57]

** kormoc blinks **

[17:35:17]

kormoc:

grub gets updated every 4 to 8 years these days

[17:37:41]

sphery:

heh

[17:37:48]

sphery:

though grub2 is looking really nice

[17:37:58]

sphery:

I've switched to it recently

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banyan_:

Ooh! The PVR350 and 150 are stil supported I assume? That'd be the other thing, if those fall off the end of the truck at some point.

[17:40:16]

wagnerrp:

the 150 is still recommended, as far as recording analog video

[17:40:27]

wagnerrp:

support for the 350 video output was dropped some time ago

[17:40:31]

sphery:

the 350 is fully supported for recording

[17:40:41]

sphery:

and you can do video output via Xv

[17:40:44]

wagnerrp:

to much consternation by users still running last decade's hardware

[17:40:51]

sphery:

so all you're lacking now is video decode hardware support

[17:40:58]

banyan_:

I think the last time I had an issue was when I ended up going to grub from lilo.

[17:41:07]

sphery:

but you should /not/ use the PVR-350 video out with Xv because it's garbage

[17:41:43]

banyan_:

Yeah, I haven't bothered with the svideo out for years now. However it was my experience that it looked pretty good.

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banyan_:

Now my tvs all have VGA inputs so it's no drama, but back in the day, my sony HD television (still a tube, still 4:3) which had an DVI input, gave me large overscan issues.

[17:43:08]

sphery:

I still contend that the only reason people ever thought that PVR-350 output looked better than video card output was because with the PVR-350, it's an all-or-nothing thing (you either get video or you don't and there are no configurables, so it's always "the best quality it can give"). With video cards, however, you have to configure a ton of stuff, and you can get anywhere from garbage output to beautiful output--all dependent on how you've ...

[17:43:10]

banyan_:

So the 350 output was great.

[17:43:14]

sphery:

... configured your system.

[17:43:50]

wagnerrp:

you would have huge overscan on the 350 output

[17:43:51]

sphery:

i.e. those who didn't properly configure their video cards saw that 350 output was better

[17:44:12]

sphery:

anyway, glad you've moved on from the 350 output

[17:44:36]

banyan_:

Yeah, I got tired of bashing my head against trying to get the nvidia driver to color inside the box, lol

[17:45:11]

banyan_:

but I expect the next time I go there it'll be on an LCD rather than the tube.

[17:46:48]

banyan_:

Oh, and the tube was only 720 (I bought it in, what, 2002) so the resolution was kind of ecch.

[17:47:39]

banyan_:

Thanks, anyway, I think you've given me the info I need to time my f13 upgrade...

[17:49:08]

banyan_:

Ah! There's one more question I had. Does mytharchive support changing the menu music, or is the music an intrinsic part of the DVD theme you choose?

[17:51:13]

sphery:

I think it's part of the theme, but the theme itself is editable (and you can make new ones)

[17:51:31]

sphery:

and if you do, documenting how on the wiki would be very nice

[17:53:02]

banyan_:

Ah, so the exercise might be a bit like my golf game — I'm self-taught, and my game is harder on the grass than the ball, lol.

[17:54:27]

banyan_:

Yeah, there are probably criteria about how long the music files can be, what their format has to be, etc, so it would be tougher to just tell mytharchive to use seconds 30 through 63 of recording #1, which would be really handy.

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Bazil_:

hi guyes, i got a really wierd problem. i got comhem running tv.swedb.se. i get the tvinfo, but everyting is 1 hour earlyer than when it is really showing, what do i do ?

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[18:20:17]

wagnerrp:

sounds like you have your timezone set wrong

[18:20:38]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps the data source is from a different time zone

[18:22:30]

Bazil_:

my computer is on the correct time

[18:22:36]

Bazil_:

the mythweb is on correct time

[18:22:48]

Bazil_:

but the tv,info is wrong

[18:23:11]

Bazil_:

tv3 in sweden is showing lyxfällan now .. its 20.00 here .. but in my tvguide it says that that was supposte to start 19.00

[18:23:28]

Jay2k1:

Reschedule requested for id -1. <- what does that mean? it seems to reset the idle counter so my mythtv box won't automatically shutdown if the idle time needed is set to more than 2–3 minutes

[18:25:04]

highzeth:

Bazil_: does 'date' say CET or CEST?

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Bazil_:

cest

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Bazil_:

highzeth it says CEST

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: it means a full reschedule

[18:28:33]

highzeth:

odd, Im pulling alot of data from the same site, its on time here

[18:28:58]

Bazil_:

i checked and it was set on europe copenhagen before .. its on europe stockholm now

[18:29:05]

Bazil_:

trying mythfilldatabase now

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Bazil_:

to see if it does any changes

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highzeth:

shouldnt matter, we are all cest

[18:33:09]

Bazil_:

found a setting in mythweb time offsett +01.00 h

[18:33:15]

Bazil_:

might be that

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Jay2k1:

wagnerrp: what is a full reschedule / what would trigger it every so often?

[18:34:54]

wagnerrp:

its the scheduler running a full pass

[18:35:02]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to one for a specific recording rule

[18:35:40]

wagnerrp:

why that would frequently occur? i dont know

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Jay2k1:

what was the way to enable backend logging for a certain thing, in my case EIT?

[18:50:15]

sphery:

justinh: BTW, you use Radio Times for your listings, right? I was wondering if you could run the following for me: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT MAX(LENGTH(description)) FROM program;" Thanks.

[18:51:06]

sphery:

I'm working on a patch to improve database performance for us (kormoc's idea), but I need to know just how big descriptions can be.

[18:53:29]

Bazil_:

when i run mythfilldatabase, does it change all info .. or just fill in if it has gotten newer information ?

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Bazil_:

is there any command to whipe all mythfilldatabase info .. to be sure that i get new info ?

[18:54:10]

sphery:

Bazil_: changes all info for the days on which it's run--which is tomorrow and "the last day" plus any days that are missing too much info

[18:54:35]

Bazil_:

so i cant change the table today ?

[18:54:55]

sphery:

Bazil_: on a not-recurring basis, you can use: mythfilldatabase --refresh-today --refresh all

[18:55:06]

sphery:

don't do it all the time because it's very mean to your listings provider

[18:55:36]

Bazil_:

just want it today .. since ihave changed the timezone

[18:55:52]

** wagnerrp doesnt understand emails like the one from Sepp Herrberger which cannot be read by the mailing list archive as it is in html **

[18:56:31]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it's text/plain here

[18:56:50]

wagnerrp:

its html, youre just rendering it properly

[18:57:01]

sphery:

[mythtv-users] VAAPI Support in Mythtv (Now all hardware might Beirdo capable) ???

[18:57:05]

wagnerrp:

i was going to link to it directly, but gossamer hasnt been updated and pipermail wont handle it

[18:57:10]

sphery:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859–1"

[18:57:24]

Bazil_:

ok it worked . thanks sphery

[18:57:31]

sphery:

Bazil_: y/w

[18:57:34]

wagnerrp:

anyway, im not referring to the fact that its html, more the content of the email itself

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wagnerrp:

ATI VAAPI support has been available for like 7 months, its not anything new

[18:58:10]

sphery:

ah, so must be a different one... This one works: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-June/291037.html

[18:58:12]

wagnerrp:

but the syntax is awful

[18:58:33]

wagnerrp:

WTF... he posted twice?

[18:58:35]

sphery:

ah, he re-sent it

[18:58:36]

sphery:

yeah

[18:58:45]

sphery:

figured out his mistake

[18:59:17]

sphery:

My main intension is to use my new box for live TV....

[18:59:24]

sphery:

someone should tell him not to use mythtv

[19:00:07]

wagnerrp:

i mean is it informative? this new ability exists

[19:00:27]

wagnerrp:

is it 'rah rah'? come on team, lets go write this code

[19:00:37]

sphery:

And I'm wondering what exactly an intension is... I'd assume it's the opposite of an extension. So does he have something that's shortening him? Or maybe something that makes him less useful?

[19:01:14]

sphery:

I read it more as , "Whine. Whine. Come on and write support for it. You owe me."

[19:01:34]

wagnerrp:

thats what i was thinking, but clearly theres no purpose to writing an email such as that

[19:02:12]

wagnerrp:

is the plan still to remove VDPAU entirely, and make it a decoding method for opengl?

[19:02:15]

Bazil_:

hmm .. is it true what i read some were .. that its now possible to stream live from tvcard to other computers from the mythtv computer ?

[19:02:31]

sphery:

I'm pretty sure vdpau will stay

[19:02:39]

sphery:

just because of affiliations :)

[19:02:49]

wagnerrp:

Bazil_: you can stream a recording at a several second delay due to various caching and buffering to disk

[19:02:56]

sphery:

we might have an additional vaapi layer, too

[19:03:21]

sphery:

and the opengl thing... well, it would be great, but it seems that it may not happen.

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Bazil_:

wagnerrp i dont care about the delay, but how do i go about getting it to stream

[19:03:50]

wagnerrp:

you start up a frontend, and click 'watch tv'

[19:04:06]

Bazil_:

lol .. ofc

[19:04:10]

Bazil_:

but thats on the local pc

[19:04:15]

wagnerrp:

and the remote pc

[19:04:16]

Bazil_:

i run windowspc beside it

[19:04:20]

Bazil_:

i wanna watch on that one

[19:04:27]

sphery:

MythTV can stream to any MythTV

[19:04:29]

wagnerrp:

then run the frontend on that one too

[19:04:30]

sphery:

that's not local

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[19:04:44]

wagnerrp:

all you need is network access, and sufficient throughput

[19:04:44]

sphery:

but what you want is for MythTV to make available recordings on other systems

[19:05:23]

sphery:

Since MS UPnP doesn't really cover MPEG-2 unless it's been blessed by WMP and won't ever cover NUV, you're out of luck with that.

[19:05:28]

Bazil_:

here is what i want .. i got one linuxcomputer with myth .. and a tvcard .. when i dont watch on that computer i want to be able to stream it to my windows machine

[19:05:45]

wagnerrp:

so install mythtv on your windows machine

[19:05:46]

wagnerrp:

viola

[19:05:50]

sphery:

meaning all you get is Trash streaming via MythWeb--assuming your MythWeb host has local access to the files and sufficient resources to transcode recordings in real time

[19:05:57]

Bazil_:

is there a working mythtv for windows nodays ?

[19:05:59]

sphery:

Trash = Flash

[19:06:04]

wagnerrp:

livetv can only be accessed through myth protocol

[19:06:12]

wagnerrp:

there is no external support for livetv

[19:06:12]

sphery:

and it's Trash because it's low-bitrate, low-resolution, low-quality garbage

[19:06:26]

sphery:

and yeah, you'd have to do it as recordings

[19:06:37]

sphery:

so start recording, then start mythweb flash streaming

[19:06:50]

wagnerrp:

there are a dozen or so methods for accessing recordings outside of mythtv

[19:06:59]

Bazil_:

hmm that sounded interresting .. mythweb flash streaming

[19:07:04]

sphery:

and enjoy the garbage quality--but at least you don't have to watch a proper high-res/high-bitrate/high-quality recording on a proper screen

[19:07:24]

Bazil_:

but i can only find asx stream in mythweb

[19:07:25]

sphery:

see all my prior comments on it

[19:07:33]

Bazil_:

saw them ;)

[19:07:53]

sphery:

you have to enable the proof-of-concept, not-supported, if-it-breaks-tough flash streaming

[19:08:04]

sphery:

See the big red warning in mythweb setup

[19:08:35]

sphery:

and note that you'll need a pretty powerful system to transcode MPEG-2 HDTV in real time and a supercomputer to transcode H.264 HDTV in real time

[19:08:49]

sphery:

(where the system in question is the MythWeb host)

[19:09:16]

Bazil_:

i dont really care about the quality .. its for having a football match showing on my computer while i work with it now during VM

[19:09:27]

Bazil_:

mainly

[19:09:33]

wagnerrp:

mythweb flash only does recordings, not livetv

[19:09:42]

Bazil_:

but that could be ok

[19:10:12]

Bazil_:

btw . .since ure all eager to answer alot of questions today ;) . witch i am very grateful for .. what is the Mirobridge ?

[19:10:26]

wagnerrp:

do you know what Miro is?

[19:10:31]

Bazil_:

no

[19:10:38]

Bazil_:

thats why i ask

[19:10:47]

wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_(software)

[19:11:05]

wagnerrp:

miro is a service that offers a number of channels of downloadable video

[19:11:23]

wagnerrp:

mirobridge will interface with miro, and make those channels available for access in mythtv

[19:12:21]

Bazil_:

ah ok thanks for the info .. nothing interresting for my part ;)

[19:12:32]

Bazil_:

really aprecciate ure help guyes though

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skd5aner:

jya: #8568, I see you liked the vuvuzela filter idea :D

[19:31:47]

jya:

yeah, was fun...

[19:32:03]

justinh:

now all I need is an irssi script to filter out the word 'vuvuzela'

[19:32:12]

justinh:

and one for firefox :)

[19:32:32]

skd5aner:

very cool, thanks for taking it on!

[19:32:59]

skd5aner:

glad I wasn't afraid to bring it up, usually get whipped with a "FRWOP"

[19:34:09]

jya:

kind of sad if people are afraid to ask ...

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jya:

plus it helped me found a bug... and now found another one

[19:34:45]

skd5aner:

jya: long, long history there...

[19:34:55]

skd5aner:

jya: will that apply to .23-fixes?

[19:34:58]

jya:

no

[19:35:04]

skd5aner:

just trunk?

[19:35:06]

jya:

but i have a patch that apply to it

[19:35:29]

skd5aner:

jya: I'd be happy to test a .23-fixes patch

[19:35:32]

jya:

but the .23 patch doesn't work properly for 5.1 ac2 udio

[19:36:17]

skd5aner:

hmm, yea – that'd be me :(

[19:36:32]

jya:

playback is broken ; stuttering.. works fine with trunk

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jya:

haven't looked at why yet, because of the bug that patch made me found in trunk

[19:37:27]

skd5aner:

well, that's pretty cool you were able to find and fix another problem in the process

[19:38:12]

jya:

for fixes

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jya:

http://pastebin.com/2wdV6UsQ

[19:38:27]

skd5aner:

I can't imagine when someone would need to check "filter vuvuzela" past July 2010, but man would it be great now :)

[19:38:46]

jya:

oh, hold a sec

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skd5aner:

k

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jya:

missing the two most important part

[19:41:11]

jya:

http://pastebin.com/wCv6a4J8

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skd5aner:

cool – but what you posted there doesn't playback AC3 5.1 material correctly in -fixes, correct?

[19:44:23]

justinh:

sphery: just got back. gimme a sec

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justinh:

sphery: 1574

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jya:

skd5aner: in theory, it supports 5.1 AC3

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justinh:

be interested to find out which show that is actually

[19:46:31]

jya:

but for some reason, it's screwed up.. hven't looked why yet

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justinh:

Clueless?! LOL what a bloody waste

[19:47:34]

skd5aner:

jya: gotcha, well... I'm recording a few to test with if you make some progress. Right now, I'm recording from an HD-PVR with SPDIF and then doing passthru to my receiver

[19:47:46]

wagnerrp:

wow... thats a long description

[19:48:10]

jya:

my backend is trunk, so debugging 0.23-fixes is a pain

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: mine?

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justinh:

wagnerrp, sphery.. and here it is: http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?eve . . . fullpage.jsp

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justinh:

that wouldn't even fit in Arclight. LOL

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justinh:

man, we sure need an intelligent precee engine :D

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wagnerrp:

i think it would be perfectly acceptable to truncate that

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skd5aner:

yea... thats... verbose

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skd5aner:

seems more of a summary than a description

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skd5aner:

almost a review

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jya:

skd5aner: actually, found the same ac3 issue in trunk.. If you start the filter on 5.1 content it works fine.. if it's you start on stereo, then switch to 5.1 that it's dodgy

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skd5aner:

ahhh, what happens if it changes mid-stream?

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skd5aner:

5.1->stereo->back to 5.1

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jya:

it doesn't see that the number of channels has changed, so it tries to play 6 samples at a time, instead of 2

[19:54:33]

jya:

so it sounds very slow

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skd5aner:

hmmm, we'll... I'll quit bugging you and let you get back to it. I have to step away for an hour anyway. Cool stuff jya, thanks for taking a stab at it!

[19:55:30]

skd5aner:

s/we'll/well

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jya:

found it...

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jya:

another bug in trunk

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justinh:

skd5aner: actually it *is* a review.. RadioTimes features stuff like that in the magazine all the time

[20:05:23]

justinh:

often we don't want a review.. just a synopsis.. if that. they sometimes have nasty spoilers too

[20:06:03]

justinh:

can erm, JAMU pull down descriptions from tmdb for programme data too?

[20:06:19]

justinh:

that'd be kinda cool

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wagnerrp:

just imagery, i believe

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wagnerrp:

i considered putting together something to do that with the bindings

[20:06:52]

wagnerrp:

could probably pull it off in a couple dozen lines

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: As wagerrp wrote just imagery. There is concern about pounding these free sources if other data for the schedule was pulled.

[20:07:45]

sphery:

justinh: Thanks. I'm leaning toward 8000 chars or so, so we should be good, even for RT. :)

[20:08:03]

wagnerrp:

certainly you wouldnt do it for the whole schedule, only things youve actually recorded

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justinh:

8000? in a description?! LOL even RT's Alison wossername would have to phone that in

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sphery:

8000 max

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justinh:

RDV_Linux: yeah I can understand that

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justinh:

8000 is a lot for a UI with no autoscroll ;-)

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wagnerrp:

last i heard, we didnt even show up as a blip compared to XBMC

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sphery:

definitely true

[20:09:05]

wagnerrp:

in terms of capacity used

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justinh:

yeah but still .. lead by example eh

[20:10:35]

iamlindoro:

In reality we are likely moving towards doing at least some form of metadata lookup *for recordings*, but that will be much more limited than doing a lookup for everything in the program table

[20:11:17]

iamlindoro:

And even then, We are only likely to use it to append metadata that isn't already populated

[20:11:24]

iamlindoro:

ie, season/episode/etc.

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sphery:

but the slow part is getting that guy who promised to work on the new schema to work on it

[20:12:28]

iamlindoro:

And relying on the other guy not to be so POed as to not finish it when he does

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justinh:

heh I'd have liked a 'if $description > 500 chars replace with something more succinct' bit

[20:12:38]

sphery:

(though I have been working on it--just have to wait a lot for replies to comments, etc.)

[20:12:43]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, we have lots of people who love settings like that

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justinh:

be nicer if RT had an extra field for 'short description' though

[20:12:56]

iamlindoro:

"Recording Metadata Play^H^H^H^H Fill Profiles"

[20:13:16]

sphery:

yeah, having the listings provider take care of it would be ideal

[20:13:22]

iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General->Metadata Profiles, page eleventeen, turn on the CPU++ metadata profile

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justinh:

or if EIT ever went to 2 weeks & didn't have half-assed categorisation

[20:13:31]

iamlindoro:

then edit profile item four

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iamlindoro:

go to the second page

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sphery:

lol

[20:13:38]

iamlindoro:

and create a rule for plot

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iamlindoro:

easy as that, dummy

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sphery:

and then edit the theme to change the font size for the description element on the watch_recordings window

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justinh:

there should be a setting for every text widget size

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sphery:

we should make font size a setting...

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

dont forget to make the edit box be the entire width of the screen so you can fit all that ext in

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justinh:

actually why not just let users mix & match widgets from different themes

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justinh:

and have sliders to reposition them

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sphery:

Oh, and if you're using the Qt painter, it won't work. If you use Xv renderer for video, you'll see corruption. If you use a modern computer, everything just works. :)

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justinh:

Myxer all over again

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** iamlindoro hates MythTV this week, don't ask me anything **

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iamlindoro:

and definitely don't ask me about when any work will be done

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: you've been doing alot... ;-) you need/deserve a rest. ;-)

[20:15:59]

iamlindoro:

s/rest/departure/

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** justinh beers iamlindoro **

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J-e-f-f-A:

don!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I heard that you're making a new plugin to download torrent files and automatically add them in to MythVideo or MythTV.

[20:16:34]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: it's Robert, not Don.

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sphery:

:D

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Only if there can be fifteen thousand settings, and even then, ONLY if it does not disrupt any behavior that was found in MythTV .11

[20:16:41]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: when can we use VVAPI for mythtv, cant we just replace the internal version of mplayer???? ???? !!??!??!?!!!

[20:16:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... I mean't "DOH!" ;-) my fat fingers...

[20:17:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: but, wait, what about 0.10? It has some great stuff.

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high-rez:

jeff: Ordered my sound system :D

[20:17:33]

iamlindoro:

Nothing like realizing that configuring MythTV is like shooting yourself in the testicles, only to have people argue that you're simply not using a high enough caliber

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: So I searched through SVN log – andI still don't know what the status of menus is. ;)

[20:17:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: Cool. ;-) Those speakers we talked about something like 6 months ago? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: Then you didn't read closely or search hard enough

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wagnerrp:

if you use a bigger round, youll sever them completely and wont feel a thing

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sphery:

iamlindoro: or that you're using an automatic weapon with too-small a clip

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** iamlindoro wonders why he bothers with such detailed commit messages **

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sphery:

"we could just add more bullets"

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high-rez:

iamlindoro: So asking "is it implemented at this point" is out of the question? ;)

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iamlindoro:

yay, more bullets, then WE COULD SATISFY EVERYONE

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: correct

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iamlindoro:

I already answered it

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iamlindoro:

in the commits

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justinh:

if you use rounds that are too big you might end up with depleted uranus

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sphery:

Um, isn't menu kind of sexist.

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high-rez:

jeff: Yeah, probably. 2030P's. Got an amp, now just need to figure out my sub :)

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: and in fact, I found it in one search of the term "blu-ray", on the first page of results

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wagnerrp:

man, if only i could do searches like that for 'python'...

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justinh:

snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

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sphery:

wagnerrp: agreed... I really want to find some way to make a new field in MythTV for mythbackend --version output and another for configure output so that people don't break search that way

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sphery:

s/in MythTV/in MythTV's Trac/

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wagnerrp:

ive been shuffling those things to file as i see people post them

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wagnerrp:

but theres just so many of em

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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wagnerrp:

seems theres been several in the last couple days...

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Hilikus:

i updated to ubuntu 10.04 last night and changing channels stopped working

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Hilikus:

i'm using IR Blaster

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Hilikus:

i had to install a different module for 9.10 to work, but i was wondering if there is a new and improved way to do this

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Hilikus:

i get irsend: hardware does not support sending

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** sphery considers never again answering a user question by quoting the setting he's looking for, the help text, and where to find it **

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sphery:

if everyone has to have 10M settings, they can find them on their own

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wagnerrp:

is there a reason no one closed #8552?

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stiffler:

does anyone know if it is possible to get the hulu mythnetvision script working under myth .23?

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I didn't know if Paul wanted to look into it/try to do something (though I don't think there's much we can do--other than make MythBrowser a separate process, again).

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sphery:

paul-h: FWIW, I now completely understand your initial design for the new MythBrowser as a separate process. Now that we're using browser plugins, I fully admit your approach was a reasonable approach.

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, no it doesn't work, or no nobody knows if it is possible?

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tgm4883:

or no, we don't want to try and support that

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wagnerrp:

the former

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tgm4883:

I ask, because it works pretty well here

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wagnerrp:

oh? i thought it used the new backend web interface to provide a special webpage for playback

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, works on my 0.23 mythbuntu frontend. I even have a package for it on my ppa

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tgm4883:

my personal one, not the mythbuntu ppa

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tgm4883:

maybe it has reduced functionality?

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tgm4883:

i haven't used it on trunk, so IDK

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tgm4883:

but it does get me to the page and start the video

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** J-e-f-f-A guesses he missed the context of this discussion... humm... **

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justinh:

arghh seems tvdb is down

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skd5aner:

what was the r# of .23?

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wagnerrp:

24521 i believe

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skd5aner:

thx

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paul-h:

wagnerrp: Re:#8552 I've left it open to remind me to look at handling unknown file types better. At the moment MythBrowser seems to download the files and then just ignores them. We really should ask the user what to do maybe even offering to play any video or audio files using the internal player or music player

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wagnerrp:

paul-h: ah, just wondering....been trolling through trac and that was one that requested to be closed

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skd5aner:

jya: compiling in your patches for .23-fixes to see if they work

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johnnyj:

peep

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justinh:

poop

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kormoc:

puup

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wagnerrp:

pyyp

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sphery:

must be comcast down time

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sphery:

piip

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johnnyj:

sphery have you had a chance to review that patch I sent ya?

[21:51:22]

sphery:

What's an "l/p" (in the context of security credentials)? I've seen a couple of people say that, and don't know what the l they're talking about.

[21:51:48]

sphery:

johnnyj: just thought about doing it... I'll try to do it tomorrow?

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johnnyj:

no big rush – jsut thought i'd check in

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kormoc:

sphery, more context?

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sphery:

I'll admit that when I thought about it, it was with some guilt--for having been so long.

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sphery:

kormoc: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-June/291064.html

[21:53:05]

kormoc:

sphery, login/password

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sphery:

oh... login

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sphery:

so is it a regionalism versus username/password or more precise or ...

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sphery:

and, btw, thanks for the answer--it was driving me crazy

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sphery:

I hate not knowing

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skd5aner:

sphery: login/password

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kormoc:

Heh, I donno why he picked login over username

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skd5aner:

oh, someone already answered :)

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johnnyj:

sphery – knowing is half the battle

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Daetlus:

2 right answers are better than none

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skd5aner:

I see login probably way more than username

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, you know if you set your nickserv password as the server password it'll log you in on connect so you don't need to change host

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Not to worry, it soon won't matter

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kormoc:

ditching comcast?

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iamlindoro:

not comcast

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sphery:

I'll bet he's not thinking of switching to condo internet

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sphery:

(if they were available in more than just Seattle, though...)

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kormoc:

heh

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** iamlindoro suddenly feels a great weight lifted from his shoulders **

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iamlindoro:

yay!

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kormoc:

Hehe

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sphery:

kormoc: no need for apc 3.1 (betas), right? 3.0 stable will work?

[22:10:47]

kormoc:

right

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sphery:

thx

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sphery:

heh, PECL with a pickle logo

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kormoc:

Yeah :)

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sphery:

Did you do the Konami codes on the php.net site, too, after wagnerrp mentioned it? changes the logo.

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kormoc:

Yeah, that's awesome

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skd5aner:

yea, you can do that on facebook

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kormoc:

skd5aner, have you done it on newsweek.com yet?

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skd5aner:

didn't know about php.net

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skd5aner:

nope

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kormoc:

it's really awesome

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skd5aner:

up up down down left right left right b a?

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skd5aner:

kormoc: looks like they killed it :( http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/15/newsw . . . s-jobs-safe/

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kormoc:

oh noes!

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kormoc:

the zombies got the programmers!

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sphery:

ah, man, can't believe they killed it

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sphery:

kormoc: so, didn't even need to ask--the stable version has code that's not GCC 4.4 clean, so I'm just using the beta :)

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kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

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sphery:

kormoc: is it really sane for php extension modules to go into /usr/lib/20090626 ?

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sphery:

that seems so wrong

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sphery:

(where that specific date is the value for PHP Api Version from phpize)

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kormoc:

Yeah... it's horribly wrong but how they do it

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sphery:

ok...

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sphery:

so far, the only thing I dislike about this caching support :)

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sphery:

(and not at all your fault :)

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, that's a committee decision for ya!

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skd5aner:

jya: just tested your patch for .23-fixes, with or without that setting enabled the audio stutters consistently like someone talking through a fan or something

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achew22:

has anyone tried to use mythfrontend or mythwelcome as a display manager?

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Beirdo:

huh?

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