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| [00:42:24] | dewman: | when running mytharchive and it fails with Result 133 is that typically permissions on the device or the sym link? |
| [00:45:42] | dewman: | here is my log for mytharchive if this might help any. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/v22EvP9U |
| [00:47:43] | dewman: | err mythburn.log |
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| [01:00:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | anyone compile recent (ie, <7 days old) trunk on a 32-bit machine under CentOS 5.x? |
| [01:00:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | specifically having an issue compiling postprocess_template.c, gcc running out of registers. |
| [01:07:05] | wagnerrp: | rather specific a question |
| [01:08:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep. :) |
| [01:08:41] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, I had heard of a similar failure a week or so ago, it was reported to janneg-- not sure if he made changes to account for it |
| [01:08:49] | iamlindoro: | I am also not sure it was under centos |
| [01:08:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | rather specific an issue. I "svn updated" today and can't compileanymore. |
| [01:09:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, he put in a fix, but that doesn't help here. |
| [01:09:12] | iamlindoro: | ok, all I know I'm afraid, than |
| [01:09:13] | iamlindoro: | er then |
| [01:09:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | fix was for debug compiles on 32-bit hardware, disabled PIC on that lib. |
| [01:09:43] | wagnerrp: | awesome! storm tickers |
| [01:10:12] | wagnerrp: | guess i may as well 'forget old' right now |
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| [01:10:40] | tweek__: | well, I think my tuner's dead |
| [01:10:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | storm/election tickers are the reason I created manual zoom. |
| [01:10:59] | wagnerrp: | sadly, if i did that, id lose half the show |
| [01:11:29] | tweek__: | burned it out hooking it directly to the cable that feeds into the splitter in a vain attempt to prove once and for all that the digital signal quality is fine |
| [01:12:20] | tweek__: | and now I have to try to decide whether to try to RMA it or buy a new one that people SWEAR 'just works' |
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| [01:12:25] | iamlindoro: | If you are able to burn any consumer equipment out by hooking it into *any* feed on your premises, then your signal is very badly overamped indeed |
| [01:12:44] | iamlindoro: | nothing on your property should even approach the voltages necessary to harm tuners |
| [01:13:25] | tweek__: | well, let's see |
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| [01:13:37] | tweek__: | it's hooked into a digital phone box |
| [01:13:39] | tweek__: | a cable modem |
| [01:13:46] | tweek__: | and seven other cable TV outlets |
| [01:14:38] | dewman: | i would think that if it blew your tuner, the rest of your equipment would be dead as well. but thats just my thought.... |
| [01:14:57] | iamlindoro: | regardless of how many times you split it internal to your premises, an unsplit connection should never be amped to the point that it is capable of harming any device |
| [01:15:12] | iamlindoro: | I'm not saying it's not possible, merely that if it is, the cable company has messed up, badly |
| [01:15:34] | iamlindoro: | And you should have them out to attenuate the signal |
| [01:16:09] | tweek__: | well, I hooked the tuner directly to the amp's output at one point |
| [01:16:35] | tweek__: | and about a dozen other things, just blindly plugging and unplugging cable, desperately trying to get anything working |
| [01:17:16] | dewman: | I like to have my eyes open when plugging and unplugging... |
| [01:17:21] | dewman: | =) |
| [01:17:42] | tweek__: | and now the kernel segfaults are basically unbearable, so I took the device out |
| [01:17:50] | tweek__: | even saw my first Win7 BSOD |
| [01:18:09] | tweek__: | device is basically toast |
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| [01:36:19] | wagnerrp: | f--- now theyre cutting into the show in the middle of a shootout |
| [01:36:31] | wagnerrp: | they better start right back in where they left it |
| [01:37:33] | wagnerrp: | and no.... |
| [01:38:17] | wagnerrp: | i hate you so much fox |
| [01:39:16] | squish102: | when i play vob's (video_ts) video's, the Internal player hangs in the first few seconds. what is the best way to debug? start mythfrontend from command line and look for errors? |
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| [01:55:30] | wagnerrp: | the national weather service out of wilmington indiana wants me to know that they hate tv shows |
| [02:01:58] | PennStateJoe74: | hello folks... having some audio problems with audio over hdmi on gt220. i had it working for a while yesterday, but now seems to have boinked out on me. i think it's a problem with pulse audio because i get this error message when typing 'alsamixer' |
| [02:02:00] | PennStateJoe74: | ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
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| [02:04:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | can somebody "grep v4l2_encoder_cmd /usr/include/*/*.h" for me and tell me if that's in videodev.h or videodev2.h? it's not in any include files on my system. |
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| [02:04:55] | PennStateJoe74: | frontend is set to alsa;hdmi, which was working fine earlier yesterday |
| [02:05:33] | wagnerrp: | videodev2.h |
| [02:06:10] | wagnerrp: | /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h to be exact |
| [02:06:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | thanks. figured so. the removal of our videodev*_myth.h files broke trunk for me it seems. |
| [02:06:32] | wagnerrp: | line 1265 to be even more exact |
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| [02:09:04] | oneman: | hi |
| [02:09:31] | oneman: | is there another channel for mythtv developers? |
| [02:09:55] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:09:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you're actually developing yes |
| [02:10:05] | wagnerrp: | what specifically are you looking for? |
| [02:10:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you're just asking questions, then no |
| [02:11:04] | oneman: | I am actually developing sort of, I was looking for just an ear for some chit chat tho.. |
| [02:11:29] | oneman: | Its a super secret topic tho, I wouldn't dare mention it with all these folks here loggin the channel and such ;] |
| [02:11:59] | kormoc: | oneman, there's only 84 more folks in here, and the other channel is logged as well |
| [02:12:03] | wagnerrp: | if its something you wouldnt dare say due to channel regs, its something we wouldnt dare help you with |
| [02:12:14] | dewman: | can i repeat a question that I asked a little while ago? |
| [02:12:16] | oneman: | lol |
| [02:12:42] | ** kormoc eyes oneman quizzically ** | |
| [02:12:43] | oneman: | Its not against regulations, its just a secret project at this moment in time |
| [02:12:43] | wagnerrp: | dewman: considering you havent said something in almost an hour, i would think thats enough time to have passed to repeat it |
| [02:12:45] | oneman: | lol |
| [02:13:00] | kormoc: | oneman, so you have a secret project that you're willing to tell 104 strangers but not 187? |
| [02:13:12] | wagnerrp: | well then what kormoc said, theres over a hundred people in the other channel, so it wouldnt much be secret |
| [02:13:14] | oneman: | lol this has gone to far! |
| [02:13:27] | oneman: | You guys got me by the balls! |
| [02:13:31] | dewman: | well i was trying to be considerate.... rather then repeat... |
| [02:13:33] | dewman: | =) |
| [02:13:44] | kormoc: | dewman, we thank you for that, what's up? |
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| [02:14:11] | kormoc: | oneman, so email it to the list where there are a few thousand of us? |
| [02:15:01] | dewman: | When I am trying to run mytharchive, it fails with a 133 error. Is that typically the permissions on the drive and or the sym link? |
| [02:15:05] | oneman: | look here is my offer, Ill talk about what I wanted to talk about, to anyone who might be interesting in my madness here, if they would just agree to a good faith NDA about what I am talking about with them, not an offical document, just hey don't blog about this right now please, but if you don't want that restriction you don't have to talk to me |
| [02:15:31] | oneman: | in another channel or whatever Ill just make one up |
| [02:15:42] | dewman: | a little bit of google searching shows different results. I did manage to post a pastebin file. |
| [02:15:59] | oneman: | whoever is interested can private message me |
| [02:16:06] | dewman: | http://mythtv.pastebin.com/v22EvP9U |
| [02:16:13] | kormoc: | oneman, well, in the context of mythtv, you're going to be constrained by the GPL in any project you work on, so if you're not going to violate the gpl, I'll hear you out |
| [02:16:16] | oneman: | if not its not a big deal! don't get your panties all in a bunch ;p |
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| [02:16:33] | GreyFoxx: | without knowing the subject or some sort of info about what you want to talk about it could be some sort of talk about your favourite chili recipe or something |
| [02:16:43] | wagnerrp: | mythchili! |
| [02:16:54] | GreyFoxx: | I'll have me some :) |
| [02:16:59] | dewman: | what can wagnerrp cook up next? hehe |
| [02:17:00] | oneman: | absolutely not, Ive put out GPL software myself and will personally eat RMS's shoe if I ever violate |
| [02:17:26] | wagnerrp: | he seems more like a sandal type of guy |
| [02:17:36] | karatekickz: | im having trouble getting my ir receiver detected in lirc... my google says my reciever should be supported but no luck the gnome remote control properties window |
| [02:17:37] | oneman: | GreyFoxx, thats the risk you take, however if your not intersted you can instantly say so and leave ;p |
| [02:17:49] | ** sphery doesn't do NDA's specifically because they could prevent him from writing some GPL'ed software in the future (or could come back to haunt him later) ** | |
| [02:18:05] | kormoc: | dewman, it looks more like the drive itself spit an error, :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/POWER CALIBRATION AREA IS FULL]: Input/output error |
| [02:18:13] | kormoc: | dewman, that's the one I'd look into if I was you |
| [02:18:24] | oneman: | sphery, this won't prevent you from writing GPL software I promise ;p |
| [02:18:35] | kormoc: | oneman, like I said, I'll hear you out |
| [02:18:49] | oneman: | ok |
| [02:18:56] | dewman: | kormoc, yeah i saw that to....At first I thought it might have been permissions.... |
| [02:19:13] | kormoc: | dewman, nah, that's specific to the drive and the kernel/growisofs |
| [02:19:20] | wagnerrp: | dewman: exit code 133 means some sort of system 'I/O Error' |
| [02:20:16] | dewman: | hmmm.....There is a 18month old in the house...Maybe I should check the drive for oatmeal |
| [02:20:27] | wagnerrp: | fun times |
| [02:20:30] | oneman: | ok, final offer, whoever else wants to hear my jive, PM me |
| [02:20:32] | ** Captain_Murdoch copies videodev*.h from his old Fedora 8 box so he can get trunk compiling on his 'new' CentOS 5.x box. ** | |
| [02:20:50] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, they ship with the kernel now don't they? |
| [02:20:53] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [02:21:02] | wagnerrp: | hey, its new for a simple caveman lawyer |
| [02:21:44] | sphery: | kormoc: might not be in Cent(ury-old)OS |
| [02:21:49] | wagnerrp: | oh Phil Hartman, why did you have to go and get killed |
| [02:21:51] | dewman: | kormoc, thanks....=) |
| [02:22:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, CentOS 5.x still 2.6.18 kernel which doesn't have the v4l2_encoder_cmd stuff in it. |
| [02:22:49] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, ahh |
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| [02:23:22] | wagnerrp: | ooh... thats going on bash |
| [02:23:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | so essentially, we've just excluded anyone running any of the released RHEL versions or recompiles |
| [02:24:49] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize that you had to pay to get a copy of RHEL |
| [02:24:52] | ** Captain_Murdoch hates subscribing to the OS version of the month club. I'd rather spend time coding than upgrading the OS on systems around the house. ** | |
| [02:25:11] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I agree with you on that one |
| [02:25:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | RHEL yes, CentOS no, WhiteBox (if itstill exists) no |
| [02:25:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | ScientificLinux (or whatever it is/was) no |
| [02:26:03] | sphery: | I ran my prior OS version way longer than I should have (was starting to get difficult to compile Myth on it because of requirements in Myth) |
| [02:26:22] | wagnerrp: | how exactly does that work? they make the source repository open, but charge for binaries? |
| [02:26:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, if it wasn't for the Qt4 requirement, I was happy compiling and running on my nfsroot Fedora 5 install with custom kernel. |
| [02:26:49] | sphery: | Aren't they using Trademark law to trump the copyright law? |
| [02:27:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you can download the binaries directly even, but you don't get access to the repo to find the binaries/etc |
| [02:27:10] | sphery: | i.e. "Have to pay since it says RHEL." So the CentOS guys scrub the source of TM'ed content. |
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| [02:28:26] | kormoc: | yeah, you pretty much have to pay to use their update service and for the TM |
| [02:29:05] | sphery: | Kind of like how Mozilla made Firefox a TM'ed name and put restrictions on it that go above and beyond the MPL |
| [02:29:14] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [02:29:15] | CNLiberal: | ok...did fresh mythbuntu 10.04x64 install...have 1080p Samsung LCD capable of 24fps...xrandr is not letting me change the refresh rate to any of the settings that are available...i can't change the refresh to 24fps |
| [02:29:30] | wagnerrp: | why bother? |
| [02:29:49] | CNLiberal: | wagnerrp: is that in reference to my q? |
| [02:29:52] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:29:56] | sphery: | capable of 24fps input, likely |
| [02:30:04] | CNLiberal: | because i had it working in .22 |
| [02:30:17] | sphery: | then it uses the TV's software to remap to 60fps the LCD is running at or whatever |
| [02:30:18] | wagnerrp: | makes the question no less valid |
| [02:30:31] | CNLiberal: | i want to use the capabilities of my TV |
| [02:30:48] | sphery: | so you're saying the TV's software is better than MythTV? |
| [02:30:49] | CNLiberal: | the TV is capable of 24 input and display |
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| [02:31:01] | CNLiberal: | it was working in .22...i'm just wondering what the heck i'm doing wrong |
| [02:31:10] | wagnerrp: | its capable of it, but is it really worth the time spent trying to get it working? |
| [02:31:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean does it visibly get you anything? |
| [02:31:25] | CNLiberal: | i see a difference yes |
| [02:31:31] | CNLiberal: | when watching BluRay |
| [02:31:40] | CNLiberal: | panning looks noticably smoother |
| [02:31:45] | CNLiberal: | i'm just super confused |
| [02:31:56] | wagnerrp: | nothing is going to look smooth at 24fps |
| [02:32:27] | CNLiberal: | when it's filmed at 24fps it will |
| [02:32:35] | sphery: | especially on an LCD |
| [02:32:38] | sphery: | talk about jerky |
| [02:32:55] | CNLiberal: | then why do bluray players tout the 24hz feature? |
| [02:32:55] | kormoc: | CNLiberal, it shouldn't as it just noops if it's running faster |
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| [02:33:16] | sphery: | if they do the grayed/black in there to display at 72Hz or 120Hz or whatever, then it might look ok |
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| [02:34:05] | CNLiberal: | ok...let me be more specific...my TV accepts 24Hz input to up convert to 120Hz |
| [02:35:43] | kormoc: | CNLiberal, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p#The_User_Experience |
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| [02:39:02] | CNLiberal: | kormoc: The TV is a Samsung LN52A650...with a true 120Hz screen |
| [02:39:10] | CNLiberal: | it upconverts the 24Hz to 120 |
| [02:39:12] | sphery: | CNLiberal: anyway, I don't know how to configure it the way you want |
| [02:39:42] | sphery: | (which, I'm assuming, is also true for most of the others who aren't answering you, but are making comments and asking questions :) |
| [02:39:44] | CNLiberal: | ok |
| [02:39:50] | CNLiberal: | yeah...that's ok |
| [02:40:06] | CNLiberal: | JYA helped me with this before, and I made all the changes he suggested, but it's still giving me grief |
| [02:40:52] | jya: | CNLiberal: no TV (Except 3D ones) are "true" 120Hz |
| [02:41:10] | CNLiberal: | well blow me down...JYA |
| [02:41:14] | CNLiberal: | hey man |
| [02:41:48] | jya: | the 120Hz is the marketing term for the kind of deinterlacer it's using, similar to VDPAU 2X ones |
| [02:42:00] | CNLiberal: | ok, fair enough. you're right |
| [02:42:02] | jya: | those TVs only take a maximum of 60Hz signal |
| [02:42:03] | CNLiberal: | :-) |
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| [02:42:15] | CNLiberal: | right, it's taking in a 24hz signal |
| [02:42:28] | CNLiberal: | and upping it to panel native 120hz |
| [02:42:30] | jya: | and play it at 24Hz |
| [02:42:33] | dewman: | kormoc, Nothing funny in the drive. |
| [02:42:37] | CNLiberal: | it can't accept 120Hz |
| [02:42:41] | jya: | CNLiberal: no |
| [02:42:54] | achew22: | Is there a mythtvosd that can be used without GUI? it is provided by mythtv-frontend right now. Can it be taken from a different box and just run or should I have that box ssh and execute on a box that has gui? |
| [02:42:57] | jya: | it's not even doing that... forget the 120Hz bit , it's rubbish |
| [02:43:37] | CNLiberal: | ok, well, i came here to figure out the xrandr issue i'm having...cuz i think it relates to mythfrontend not playing 24hz content |
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| [02:43:47] | sphery: | achew22: look at mythnotify |
| [02:43:56] | sphery: | achew22: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNotify |
| [02:44:05] | CNLiberal: | in nvidia-settings i have the force full scaling checked |
| [02:44:20] | jya: | I haven't read what you wrote earlier, I heard beep as my named was mentioned , that's all.. |
| [02:44:25] | achew22: | sphery: Thanks |
| [02:44:27] | CNLiberal: | and when i xrandr -r 53 it stays at 60hz |
| [02:44:35] | CNLiberal: | oh, well, no problem |
| [02:45:06] | dewman: | since mytharchive has already encoded the files, is there a way to tell mytharchive to restart or pickup where it ended or does the software need to go through all the motions of re-encoding the videos again? |
| [02:45:29] | jya: | sphery: you can't not play 24Hz content smoothly on a 60Hz screen, *ever*.. So stating "why bother", is ignoring the problem at hand |
| [02:45:36] | jya: | CNLiberal |
| [02:45:45] | jya: | I mentioned it on the wiki, of the cause for this |
| [02:45:56] | jya: | you need to disable GPU scaling in nvidia-settings |
| [02:46:05] | jya: | or in xorg.conf add: |
| [02:46:28] | jya: | Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Native" |
| [02:46:32] | jya: | in the screen section |
| [02:47:05] | CNLiberal: | yeah, i'm doing that now |
| [02:47:29] | CNLiberal: | i was doing it the way Andre Newman suggested in an email thread to me a while ago |
| [02:47:43] | CNLiberal: | it was checked in nvidia-settings, but not in Screen section |
| [02:47:46] | CNLiberal: | let's try again :-) |
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| [02:48:15] | jya: | you don't want it checked in nvidia-settings |
| [02:48:19] | jya: | it's checked by default |
| [02:48:28] | jya: | when checked it means let the GPU do the scaling |
| [02:48:40] | jya: | which for some reasons with nvidia, force the screen at 60Hz |
| [02:49:30] | CNLiberal: | k i got it backwards then |
| [02:50:34] | CNLiberal: | booyah |
| [02:50:37] | CNLiberal: | works now |
| [02:50:40] | CNLiberal: | thanks for correcting me |
| [02:50:47] | jya: | probably your problem... Personally, I don't use the nvidia-settings option, because it only works for the current user, and sometimes it won't reload the settings |
| [02:50:55] | jya: | so the xorg.conf is a better option IMHO |
| [02:51:29] | jya: | CNLiberal: don't feel bad, it took me over a week to figure out why I wouldn't get anything else but 60Hz on my TV... |
| [02:51:52] | jya: | until one day, a nvidia engineers gave me the answer on their forum |
| [02:51:54] | CNLiberal: | yeah, you're the one who helped me...u saved me a TON of time...I'm CNLibMyth on the mailing list |
| [02:52:55] | CNLiberal: | well poopy...when i try and play the M2TS file with Internal, i'm getting "Video fram buffering failed too many times." on a .23 fresh install |
| [02:53:31] | jya: | is it encrypted? |
| [02:53:32] | CNLiberal: | but an avi plays ok |
| [02:53:38] | CNLiberal: | good question...shouldn't be |
| [02:53:41] | CNLiberal: | let me try in mplayer |
| [02:55:00] | CNLiberal: | plays in mplayer no problem |
| [02:55:28] | CNLiberal: | however, there are multiple video tracks and audio tracks |
| [02:58:21] | tweek__: | worst case scenario, I'm not able to RMA this damaged card |
| [02:58:31] | CNLiberal: | i wonder if this is a multi video track issue |
| [02:58:52] | tweek__: | in that case, are there any other ATSC/NTSC cards that work in Linux? |
| [02:59:05] | CNLiberal: | cuz the default video track "when mplayer plays the file" is what looks like a commentary track |
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| [03:03:05] | CNLiberal: | so JYA, when you made your mplayer script so long ago to change refresh rate, did u experience severe lip sync lag? |
| [03:03:13] | jya: | yes |
| [03:03:15] | achew22: | I saw a while back that after the mythui-osd branch merge someone was looking at making mythtvosd events. Is there a ticket for that? I can't find it in trac. |
| [03:03:36] | CNLiberal: | dang |
| [03:04:20] | jya: | CNLiberal: there are some options you can add that help with lipsync in mplayer... There is also a patch for mplayer that will properly drop frames as required.. The issue is that 24Hz on the video card, is never exactly the same refresh rate on the TV |
| [03:04:38] | CNLiberal: | well i'd like to fix it so i can use .23 internal and adjust audio sync that way, but it just won't play in internal |
| [03:05:15] | jya: | CNLiberal: I only use the internal player these days, so you'll have to google it.. It's on the huge mplayer vdpau thread on the nvnews forum |
| [03:05:39] | jya: | I haven't seen a video that plays in mplayer but not with internal for a very long time ... |
| [03:05:58] | CNLiberal: | i think it's something else with internal...i tried running with -v playback |
| [03:06:00] | CNLiberal: | didn't really help |
| [03:06:41] | CNLiberal: | do you have m2ts files w multiple video tracks jya? |
| [03:07:02] | jya: | not sure... I only ever worry about the audio bit :P |
| [03:07:17] | CNLiberal: | haha |
| [03:07:29] | CNLiberal: | well, that feature will be welcome as well |
| [03:07:36] | CNLiberal: | as soon as i get a new receiver w HDMI input |
| [03:07:50] | CNLiberal: | but seriously, you've really helped the community a lot...so thanks JYA |
| [03:08:04] | high-rez: | Has anyone here had problems with schedules direct being uber super slow? Like I can get 25kb of data and then bam it just stalls. |
| [03:08:13] | high-rez: | I can't even retrieve my lineup cause myth is timing out :( |
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| [03:08:18] | jya: | CNLiberal: you're welcome |
| [03:09:02] | CNLiberal: | i think the reason internal is failing is because in the logs, it's saying "Trying 1920x1080 0Hz" |
| [03:09:19] | CNLiberal: | that's cuz the default video track starts off black |
| [03:10:12] | jya: | i'm sure that's not the issue, the trying message is always there at the start |
| [03:10:18] | CNLiberal: | ok |
| [03:10:21] | high-rez: | Like this: <=> ] 26,374 --.-K/s |
| [03:10:35] | jya: | and as it can't find it, will use 60Hz or whatever the highest is available |
| [03:10:39] | CNLiberal: | hmm |
| [03:11:09] | CNLiberal: | yeah, it doesn't even try the 24 hz now...screen goes black, (assume that means it's trying to change) and stays at 60 |
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| [03:11:48] | jya: | if the TV was at 60Hz, screen goes black and stays at 60Hz |
| [03:11:55] | jya: | no refresh rate change occured |
| [03:11:56] | CNLiberal: | yeah |
| [03:12:15] | jya: | it goes black, because it plays ... black or can't decode it |
| [03:15:06] | CNLiberal: | it goes black, then to please wait while the tv flashes up 60hz |
| [03:15:18] | CNLiberal: | then video frame buffereing failed too many times |
| [03:16:05] | CNLiberal: | i've got a log |
| [03:16:11] | CNLiberal: | i'll send it to mythusers |
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| [03:18:09] | CNLiberal: | so it's 5MBs |
| [03:18:11] | CNLiberal: | it's huge |
| [03:18:50] | wagnerrp: | probably better not to attach that to the mailing list |
| [03:18:55] | jya: | if you have a sample to post somewhere, and you believe it's a bug, then lodge a ticket, and make a sample available somewhere |
| [03:18:59] | achew22: | Does anyone have comcast's triple play? They have a feature where it will show on screen (on their DVR's or on computers) the caller id. Has anyone played with trying to intercept this and use it in myth? |
| [03:20:03] | CNLiberal: | ooo...now i'll have to figure out how to cut out a bit of this file...but that's something i'll do another day |
| [03:20:06] | CNLiberal: | i'm wiped |
| [03:20:09] | CNLiberal: | thanks for the help guys! |
| [03:20:12] | CNLiberal: | laterz! |
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| [03:21:05] | wagnerrp: | achew22: those systems are usually SIP based, with a SIP ATA installed in your home |
| [03:21:36] | wagnerrp: | if you want to capture that, you can run something like asterisk |
| [03:21:37] | achew22: | wagnerrp: they have a desktop client which makes me think they might be doing TCP or UDP broadcast or something |
| [03:22:25] | wagnerrp: | or you can open up wireshark, have it filter for broadcast traffic, and call your home from a cell phone |
| [03:22:41] | achew22: | thats a good idea |
| [03:22:45] | achew22: | wireshark away |
| [03:23:33] | wagnerrp: | there may be some sort of SNMP trap on the ATA |
| [03:23:48] | wagnerrp: | are your STBs connected to the network? or just the cable line? |
| [03:23:49] | achew22: | even if it is SNMP that is still a TCP port |
| [03:23:56] | achew22: | just the cable line |
| [03:24:11] | wagnerrp: | so theyre going to receive their own data |
| [03:24:19] | achew22: | ... since they have a desktop client they have to be doing something over tcp/ip |
| [03:24:25] | achew22: | desktop being an adobe air app |
| [03:24:38] | wagnerrp: | that may receive something directly from comcast |
| [03:25:01] | high-rez: | Is there a way to direclty configure with SQL my SD lineup given that my connection times out before SD can return my lineups completely ? |
| [03:25:45] | achew22: | wagnerrp no matter what way they do it, since it is TCP/IP instead of over the cable line I will be able to intercept it (unless it is encrypted) |
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| [03:26:08] | wagnerrp: | sure, but if the desktop applet is connecting directly to comcast, that may not be something you can reproduce |
| [03:26:18] | achew22: | then it will be a fun little project |
| [03:26:35] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, there are various scripts on the wiki that hook into a modem to capture CID data that way |
| [03:27:20] | ebah: | I'm guessing mythtv is too resource intensive for a netbook? |
| [03:27:34] | achew22: | ebah: I have it running on a netbook and it is good for SD |
| [03:27:35] | wagnerrp: | not at all |
| [03:27:47] | wagnerrp: | HD is generally too intensive for a netbook |
| [03:28:05] | ebah: | that alright, not real interested in hd. |
| [03:28:06] | achew22: | ebah: there are netbooks that have NVidia ION in them and they should be able to do it without a hickup |
| [03:28:10] | wagnerrp: | but the frontend just wants memory, and if possible a bit of opengl |
| [03:28:18] | achew22: | wagnerrp: the comcast box gets it in 0 rings (before the phone rings) and the AT command stuff takes 2 rings. |
| [03:28:50] | ebah: | hmm, I bought a tv tuner on a whim and realized the only computer I can use it on is my aspire one. |
| [03:29:07] | ebah: | just wanted to check before I opened it up. |
| [03:29:13] | wagnerrp: | ebah: if you can use it on that, then its obviously a USB tuner |
| [03:29:18] | wagnerrp: | why cant you use it everywhere? |
| [03:29:45] | wagnerrp: | you should also check for hardware support |
| [03:29:49] | wagnerrp: | !url hardware |
| [03:29:50] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword hardware |
| [03:29:54] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [03:29:54] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [03:30:23] | wagnerrp: | achew22: and the desktop application? |
| [03:30:27] | ebah: | I know the hardware is legit. My other computer is a work computer...no go |
| [03:30:41] | achew22: | wagnerrp: I don't understand the question |
| [03:30:50] | ebah: | thanks guys |
| [03:30:52] | wagnerrp: | how fast does it pick up the data |
| [03:30:59] | achew22: | wagnerrp instantly |
| [03:31:03] | achew22: | before the phone rings |
| [03:31:22] | wagnerrp: | so its probably pulling direct from comcast too |
| [03:31:37] | achew22: | well the box that is my cable modem could be TCP broadcasting |
| [03:31:41] | high-rez: | Nobody? SchedulesDirect gets 26374 bytes every single time almost immiediately and then times out :( |
| [03:31:42] | achew22: | that's not far fetched at all |
| [03:32:24] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: i bet theres only a handful of people related to mythtv who could tell you just what is in that data packet |
| [03:32:50] | wagnerrp: | much better option would be to try to fix your internet |
| [03:33:06] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: It's not my internet. I've taken a tcpdump |
| [03:33:11] | high-rez: | I've even routed out a different interface. |
| [03:33:50] | high-rez: | Its pretty clear that the SD server is stalling, but for what reason I don't know. |
| [03:34:08] | wagnerrp: | if the SD server is stalling, file a support ticket |
| [03:34:18] | high-rez: | And its not just once, but over and over again 26374 bytes – and then stalled. |
| [03:34:48] | high-rez: | Which wouldn't be such a big deal because once it gets going again it moves – but its not soon enough before mythtv-setup gives up. |
| [03:36:31] | kormoc: | high-rez, how long has it been going on? |
| [03:37:23] | high-rez: | kormoc: At least 30 mins |
| [03:38:08] | kormoc: | xris, ping |
| [03:38:48] | kormoc: | high-rez, normal mythfilldatabase or a --refresh-all or? |
| [03:38:50] | high-rez: | The bursty behavior of SD for me has always been like this – and its not a big deal because fetching content doesn't seem to have a 60 second timeout (makes sense) – but it appears that myth_system() has a timeout of abouty 60 seconds. |
| [03:39:01] | high-rez: | kormoc: Im just trying to fetch my lineup |
| [03:39:34] | high-rez: | With 2 seconds it gets25kb or so, then stalls for 50+ seconds, an d then starts to burst data – but myth gives up :/ |
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| [03:40:18] | achew22: | kormoc: I have the same thing happen on my system but myth just sits there and waits for SD to start transmitting again. I thought it was a rate throttling feature. Is it not? |
| [03:40:48] | kormoc: | it's the time the backend takes to build the data |
| [03:40:54] | achew22: | Ah |
| [03:41:06] | high-rez: | kormoc: Even for fetching lineups ? |
| [03:41:15] | kormoc: | but as we're just a passthough to tribune, we don't have much control over it |
| [03:41:17] | high-rez: | It startsto send gzipcompressed data (accept-encoding) |
| [03:41:21] | kormoc: | high-rez, yes |
| [03:41:43] | high-rez: | any idea where in myth_sytem() i can up the timeout ? |
| [03:41:53] | high-rez: | another 5 seconds I could be golden |
| [03:41:53] | high-rez: | :) |
| [03:41:54] | kormoc: | I do not offhand but I'd wager sphery would |
| [03:42:28] | achew22: | kormoc: so SD is a thin proxy for the servers that I used to use for 5 years ago for free? |
| [03:43:28] | achew22: | <-- not complaining. Just curious if thats what happened. |
| [03:45:03] | high-rez: | Pfft where's it even defined |
| [03:45:20] | oobe: | i doubt it |
| [03:45:40] | kormoc: | achew22, actually, you connect directly to them, we're not even proxying |
| [03:45:54] | oobe: | i dont know anything about shedules direct but i dont see them charging a fee for somthing that wouldnt cost them anything and is most likely illegal |
| [03:45:54] | kormoc: | http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . /xtvdService |
| [03:46:11] | kormoc: | oobe, we license the data from tribune |
| [03:46:13] | high-rez: | oobe: It is the same thing, but they have a contract with the provider. |
| [03:46:24] | achew22: | kormoc: nifty so you have a cname that points to their server bank and then some kind of user control protocol to create/expire users that are not paying any more |
| [03:46:49] | kormoc: | achew22, look at the domain name closer, you're hitting their .com, we're a subdomain of their domain :) |
| [03:47:32] | achew22: | kormoc: it's still a cname ;) |
| [03:47:35] | high-rez: | kormoc: Dpo you giuys even have your own server then ? |
| [03:47:35] | kormoc: | oobe, it's completely legit and yes, you use their servers legally |
| [03:47:47] | achew22: | oh wait... its an A record... |
| [03:48:07] | kormoc: | high-rez, we do for our site and the user management, etc |
| [03:48:22] | high-rez: | But for retreiving content it sall on their end huh? |
| [03:48:26] | kormoc: | yup |
| [03:48:32] | high-rez: | Their servers are awful. |
| [03:48:35] | high-rez: | :) |
| [03:48:42] | achew22: | how do they get access to the data? |
| [03:48:46] | kormoc: | heh, it's a lot of data being requested a lot |
| [03:48:59] | kormoc: | achew22, a lot of it they license from the networks |
| [03:49:02] | high-rez: | Makes sense why schedulesdirect.org is speedy fetching the actual data is a bad experience. |
| [03:49:03] | achew22: | do they pay some poor humans to do data input or do they get a feed from NBC and stuff? |
| [03:49:29] | kormoc: | achew22, donno about all that |
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| [03:50:02] | achew22: | kormoc: so it was determined to be more expensive to license directly to each network than to get it from tribune when they turned their servers off to open source? |
| [03:50:14] | kormoc: | achew22, by far, yes |
| [03:50:29] | wagnerrp: | just think of the management overhead needed to do that |
| [03:50:41] | wagnerrp: | they'd need dozens of employees |
| [03:50:43] | achew22: | yeah, that could be vast |
| [03:50:55] | achew22: | I assume the lineup is copyrighted? |
| [03:51:23] | kormoc: | The networks and tribune believe so, yes |
| [03:51:48] | achew22: | So it couldn't be crowdsourced |
| [03:52:04] | wagnerrp: | you still need to get the data from somewhere |
| [03:52:11] | wagnerrp: | where is the crowd going to get it? |
| [03:52:26] | achew22: | tv.com and comcast.net and the sort |
| [03:52:47] | kormoc: | achew22, but they have their own data in there (a lot of those places write their own descriptions/etc) |
| [03:53:04] | achew22: | Oh, so tribune is value added |
| [03:53:08] | kormoc: | Yes |
| [03:53:15] | high-rez: | Man this sucks. |
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| [03:53:30] | TheMaverick`: | Is there any way to force a higher resolution input (from 720x480 to 720p) for recording on an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500DV tuner card? |
| [03:53:31] | high-rez: | kormoc: Do you know which table I'd need just to define my lineup by chance? |
| [03:53:49] | high-rez: | I'd rather do a 2 second sql insert than try over and over again until their servers ease up :) |
| [03:53:54] | wagnerrp: | TheMaverick`: that tuner card does not support 720p capture |
| [03:54:00] | kormoc: | high-rez, videosource iirc |
| [03:54:02] | wagnerrp: | its standard definition only |
| [03:55:02] | [R]: | i thought the all in wonder didnt work? |
| [03:55:32] | wagnerrp: | (assuming you can actually use that card in linux to begin with) |
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| [03:55:41] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: I know ATI's website says it supports 720x480... but if the source video is coming down the pipe at a higher resolution, is it not possible to force a higher resolution capture? |
| [03:56:03] | wagnerrp: | the source 'coming down the pipe' will be 480i |
| [03:56:20] | wagnerrp: | and the card is only going to be able to capture what its specs say it can, which is 480i |
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| [03:57:17] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: hmmm... any idea what would limit the capture resolution? |
| [03:57:48] | tweek__: | I can't even figure out what you're asking |
| [03:57:49] | wagnerrp: | the fact that the source signal and capture device are only capable of 480i |
| [03:58:15] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing you can do to get anything better than 480i |
| [03:58:24] | wagnerrp: | there is no hardware you can purchase to get better than 480i |
| [03:58:43] | sphery: | Isn't the AIW Radeon 8500 like a 2002 era card that's completely unsupported in V4L? |
| [03:58:51] | wagnerrp: | theres no way you can ask the question that will change my answer in any way other than to say you can only capture at up to 480i |
| [03:59:08] | sphery: | high-rez: ttbomk, you can't change the timeout for myth_system() calls |
| [03:59:40] | kormoc: | TheMaverick`, the limit is the fact that it's a analog capture device and they can only capture at those resolutions |
| [04:00:03] | wagnerrp: | NTSC is only 480 lines of video, period |
| [04:00:04] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: :\ perhaps I have a significant deal to learn about video capture devices |
| [04:00:16] | wagnerrp: | (technically there are an additional 45 lines of non-video data) |
| [04:00:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: 480 lines of interlaced video... |
| [04:00:35] | TheMaverick`: | kormoc: I thought the AIW 8500DV was capable of digital? |
| [04:00:47] | wagnerrp: | TheMaverick`: sure, it has a firewire port |
| [04:01:13] | wagnerrp: | it can pull digital video at higher resolutions over firewire |
| [04:01:18] | high-rez: | sphery: No? Pfft. |
| [04:01:25] | wagnerrp: | but its not capturing anything over firewire |
| [04:01:32] | wagnerrp: | consider firewire to be similar to USB |
| [04:01:46] | high-rez: | sphery: I can't even find where it's defined. :) |
| [04:01:57] | wagnerrp: | its just an interconnect that you use to connect to digital video cameras |
| [04:02:34] | sphery: | high-rez: mythtv/libs/libmythdb/mythsystem.cpp |
| [04:02:46] | high-rez: | huh mythdb |
| [04:03:05] | high-rez: | i wonder if I could just kill -stop mythtv-setup until wget finishes :) |
| [04:03:26] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: so it's the actual tuner, not the coax input? |
| [04:03:37] | wagnerrp: | what is? |
| [04:03:42] | sphery: | high-rez: what are you trying to do? |
| [04:03:49] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: the limitation |
| [04:04:00] | wagnerrp: | TheMaverick`: yes, the tuner is limited to 480i |
| [04:04:22] | wagnerrp: | it would be pointless for the tuner to be capable of anything better than 480i, because there are no signals it could receive that would be better than 480i |
| [04:04:28] | high-rez: | sphery: Tribune is so slow at the moment that mythtv-setup is timing out the wget before it returns my lineups (i just want to populate my lineup) |
| [04:04:36] | wagnerrp: | 480i is the limit of NTSC broadcasts and cable transmissions in the US |
| [04:04:53] | high-rez: | sphery: So I click "retrieve lineups" and wait and wait and wait. Tribune sends 25k of data almost immediately – then nothing for about 50 seconds... |
| [04:05:14] | high-rez: | sphery: But myth_system appears to be timing out before that 50 seconds is up. :'/ |
| [04:05:29] | wagnerrp: | no idea why it would behave that way, it returns within a couple seconds for me |
| [04:05:31] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: Ok. I guess I was confused by this website: http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/ati-al . . . g=mncol;rnav |
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| [04:05:43] | TheMaverick`: | says it has digital video capture |
| [04:05:52] | sphery: | high-rez: for me it gets in without issue |
| [04:05:52] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Do you have maybe a small lineups? I have a raelly big lineup. |
| [04:05:54] | wagnerrp: | yes, it can connect to firewire devices |
| [04:06:04] | sphery: | high-rez: are you sure your account/username/password are working properly? |
| [04:06:32] | high-rez: | sphery: i can login to the web interface fine. Additionally, I took a tcpdump and opened it in wiresharl – and it apepars to be fine... |
| [04:06:35] | sphery: | high-rez: or perhaps you're using a bad proxy and don't have proxy settings specified? |
| [04:06:53] | wagnerrp: | TheMaverick`: it does not have a digital tuner, the extent that it supports 'digital capture' is that it has a firewire port that it can use to connect to other devices that can capture video |
| [04:07:08] | wagnerrp: | TheMaverick`: for instance, you could use it to connect to a firewire-equipped cable box |
| [04:07:12] | sphery: | TheMaverick`: I think you need to be looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD . . . e_facilities |
| [04:07:20] | high-rez: | sphery: i'm not using a proxy and I have two ISPs here – and if I set my gw through the cable modem is the same result as through the dsl.. |
| [04:07:23] | sphery: | i.e. the "No"s |
| [04:07:44] | wagnerrp: | and over that firewire link, you could capture the full 720p or 1080i digital stream that the cableco is transmitting |
| [04:08:01] | wagnerrp: | however the internal tuner and capture support offered by that card is limited to 480i |
| [04:08:28] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: gotcha. that helped |
| [04:08:42] | high-rez: | sphery: Really, for sure, it's not my ISP(s). :) |
| [04:08:43] | wagnerrp: | and any other device offering NTSC tuning, or composite/svideo capture will be similarly limited to 480i |
| [04:08:56] | TheMaverick`: | sphery: I'll give it a read. Thanks :) |
| [04:09:17] | wagnerrp: | you will only get something better than 480i if you are capturing over component video, or if you are using a digital tuner that captures the pre-compressed mpeg2 stream from the cableco |
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| [04:11:29] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: so I guess it's going to be a bit difficult to accomplish capture without a cable box, since stuff has moved to digital |
| [04:11:32] | sphery: | high-rez: can you pastebin the mythtv-setup log output at default verbosity |
| [04:12:35] | high-rez: | sphery: ok |
| [04:13:07] | wagnerrp: | TheMaverick`: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [04:14:02] | TheMaverick`: | wagnerrp: tyvm, I've got a good bit of reading to do |
| [04:15:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cabl . . . Simulcasting sounds strange... "analog digital cable television is provided right along side digital cable television"??? |
| [04:15:09] | high-rez: | sphery: -v all ok ? |
| [04:15:17] | sphery: | are they trying to say "unencrypted"? |
| [04:15:34] | sphery: | high-rez: maybe--depends on how much extra garbage there is |
| [04:15:56] | sphery: | default verbosity would be ideal (as all of the datadirect-related log output is in -v important,general |
| [04:16:34] | sphery: | oh, maybe they're just saying "analog" and shouldn't have the extra "digital" in there... |
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| [04:17:16] | high-rez: | ok its running, will take a coup[le mins to timeoput here |
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| [04:18:47] | sphery: | thanks |
| [04:19:18] | sphery: | high-rez: you didn't--by any chance--compile MythTV yourself, did you? |
| [04:20:36] | oobe: | http://is.gd/cPDbP |
| [04:20:40] | high-rez: | sphery: did infact compile myth myself.. |
| [04:20:45] | high-rez: | s/did/i did |
| [04:20:57] | high-rez: | I mean, i got a little help from the folks at gcc and make |
| [04:21:07] | sphery: | high-rez: if we don't get enough info, I may have you change a define so we can see the wget output |
| [04:21:10] | high-rez: | I can't take all the credit. :) |
| [04:21:25] | TheMaverick`: | sphery: where might I look to see if other cards I have are supported? |
| [04:21:40] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [04:21:40] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [04:21:40] | high-rez: | well i can see the wget output on the terminal... |
| [04:21:44] | ebah: | so mythtv requires the backend even just to watch live tv? |
| [04:21:51] | high-rez: | i mean the little line moving back and forth. |
| [04:21:59] | TheMaverick`: | sphery: ty again |
| [04:22:35] | sphery: | high-rez: you get stdout, but not stderr and you don't get the actual command line we're using |
| [04:22:42] | high-rez: | Hmm |
| [04:22:43] | high-rez: | Wow |
| [04:23:03] | high-rez: | It's not just the lineup name – but its the actual program data that cmae down |
| [04:23:04] | high-rez: | it appears |
| [04:23:33] | high-rez: | A ton of sql inserts: 2010-06–14 21:22:22.670 MSqlQuery::exec(DataDirectCon) INSERT INTO dd_genre ( programid, class, relevance) VALUES ('MV002501010000', 'Documentary', '0') |
| [04:25:01] | high-rez: | When I go to fetch the lineup – should actual program data be in there ? |
| [04:25:09] | high-rez: | I thought it would be one of two possible values. |
| [04:25:16] | high-rez: | (the two lineups I have on my account) |
| [04:25:18] | kormoc: | ebah, yes |
| [04:25:30] | kormoc: | high-rez, nah, we populate the channels and all that at the same time |
| [04:26:01] | high-rez: | Hmmf |
| [04:26:04] | high-rez: | ok |
| [04:26:18] | sphery: | high-rez: if you mean when you hit the "Retrieve Lineups" button, that should be tiny--I get 1.37KB of data |
| [04:26:32] | high-rez: | sphery: I get >100kb |
| [04:26:43] | high-rez: | and yes thats hitting retreive lineups |
| [04:26:44] | sphery: | something isn't working right, then |
| [04:26:48] | kormoc: | sphery, I get a full dump too |
| [04:27:05] | high-rez: | Now, for full disclosure? I am running trunk. |
| [04:27:14] | sphery: | I'm testing on trunk |
| [04:27:20] | kormoc: | I only run -trunk |
| [04:27:29] | kormoc: | -fixes is for those stable loving sissies! |
| [04:28:56] | sphery: | high-rez: do you have any .wgetrc files on your system? |
| [04:29:15] | high-rez: | sphery: Nope – the read_timeout for wget is 900 seconds... |
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| [04:29:48] | sphery: | I'm thinking that your wget isn't using cookies or something, so we're not sending the request properly |
| [04:30:10] | high-rez: | sphery: I have a packet capture of the transaction. It appeared corect for the most part. |
| [04:30:43] | sphery: | I'd still like to see the log output |
| [04:31:08] | high-rez: | yeah i'm restartging with proper verbosity now |
| [04:32:00] | sphery: | and if you'd like to change libs/libmythtv/datadirect.cpp line 21 to "#define SHOW_WGET_OUTPUT 1" (no quotes--i.e. enable SHOW_WGET_OUTPUT), you may get a better idea what's happening if it is a wget issue |
| [04:32:28] | kormoc: | sphery, btw, re backend locale, my locale is "en_US.UTF-8" and it looks like myth is only seeing the en_US part of it |
| [04:32:38] | kormoc: | 2010-06–14 21:29:54.596 No locale defaults file for en_US, skipping |
| [04:32:42] | kormoc: | is that expected? |
| [04:33:38] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, that's the locale, the charmap/codeset info is stripped off, but Qt uses is properly. |
| [04:34:25] | sphery: | unfortunately, Qt doesn't give us access to info on which charmap it's using--all I can get is the name "System", which is completely useless, especially with the complex algorithm they use to determine what the System setting is |
| [04:34:54] | high-rez: | http://pastebin.ca/1883368 |
| [04:35:16] | kormoc: | sphery, okay, so that ticket that I can re-produce isn't related to the BE not in utf-8 mode then, correct? |
| [04:35:29] | sphery: | I started a patch to output the charmap info after the locale info message, but Qt won't give it to me. I'm considering a hack that outputs the info Qt uses to determine the charmap, then if we need to determine what's happening, we'll see the raw data it uses |
| [04:35:39] | sphery: | kormoc: sounds like it's not |
| [04:36:10] | high-rez: | i'm gonna delete and re-add my lieups |
| [04:36:11] | high-rez: | who knoiws |
| [04:36:11] | kormoc: | kk |
| [04:36:13] | sphery: | though the UTF-8 is a workaround for a Qt bug that I'm still hoping to get a chance to find |
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| [04:37:27] | sphery: | high-rez: except for the large amount of data, that looks right |
| [04:38:12] | sphery: | high-rez: don't know why it's pulling too much data--I'd love to see the output with SHOW_WGET_OUTPUT defined (if you do pastebin it, make sure you scrub out the username/password which will likely appear multiple times in the log) |
| [04:39:24] | high-rez: | sphery: If you've got wireshark handy I can give you more than that :) |
| [04:39:42] | sphery: | amazing how many people are hacking tmdb.pl so they don't have to upgrade from 0.22-fixes to the much-more-stable-and-much-more-featureful 0.23-fixes |
| [04:40:28] | sphery: | high-rez: I don't know the exact details of what SD is expecting, but I would recognize wget error output :) |
| [04:40:45] | sphery: | i.e. looking at the raw data, I wouldn't know if it's wrong or right |
| [04:42:21] | high-rez: | Aha |
| [04:42:21] | high-rez: | :) |
| [04:42:35] | high-rez: | Well I think i figured out the videosource table |
| [04:42:47] | high-rez: | So I'm probably ok without actually figuring out what the problem is ;) |
| [04:43:11] | high-rez: | (mythfilldatabase appears to be grabbing content for me now that I manually updated it) |
| [04:43:58] | sphery: | well, that won't help out anyone else... :) |
| [04:45:11] | Pwen: | 0.24+fixes all the way! anything else is for chumps! :p |
| [04:45:53] | kormoc: | there is no 0.24 or 0.24-fixes yet :P |
| [04:46:23] | high-rez: | sphery: Alright I'll recompile her ;) |
| [04:46:30] | sphery: | thx |
| [04:47:14] | high-rez: | should just be a make after editing the file – no need to recompile everything else right ? |
| [04:47:34] | sphery: | right |
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| [04:50:25] | rhollan: | Has anyone seen DVD imports always overwrite all entries in the list with the LAST DVD imported? |
| [04:50:32] | rhollan: | I also saw /dev/dvd deleted |
| [04:50:35] | rhollan: | what is going on? |
| [04:51:27] | high-rez: | sphery: Nice my password is disploayed now ;)( |
| [04:51:31] | high-rez: | was just about to paste that line |
| [04:51:32] | high-rez: | :) |
| [04:52:20] | sphery: | high-rez: yeah, that's why I said, "(if you do pastebin it, make sure you scrub out the username/password which will likely appear multiple times in the log)" |
| [04:52:24] | sphery: | note, also, the "multiple" |
| [04:52:50] | wagnerrp: | if you pastebin it, they will come |
| [04:52:50] | kormoc: | http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/20 . . . -the-zombies |
| [04:53:26] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: apparently a number of websites take the 'konami code' |
| [04:53:37] | wagnerrp: | including php.net |
| [04:53:43] | kormoc: | huh |
| [04:54:31] | rhollan: | anyone have experience with ripped DVDs? |
| [04:54:34] | sphery: | how do you get it to work? |
| [04:54:44] | sphery: | need flash or something? |
| [04:54:53] | high-rez: | sphery: see pm |
| [04:54:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, just javascript |
| [04:54:55] | kormoc: | sphery, nope, just javascript |
| [04:55:05] | sphery: | maybe the auto-find-in-page is killing me |
| [04:58:37] | rhollan: | I cant rip DVDs (and yes, l have libdvdcss), all entries in the list cause the LAST DVD ripped to play |
| [04:58:40] | rhollan: | what gives? |
| [04:59:27] | wagnerrp: | rhollan: it may be no one currently in here uses myth's dvd ripping faculty |
| [04:59:48] | wagnerrp: | please way more than 8 minutes before asking the same question |
| [04:59:52] | wagnerrp: | w/way/wait/ |
| [05:00:33] | rhollan: | sucks to be me, I guess. They rip fine, but the menu system causes the last one ripped to be selected for any of them when playing back. I figured someone must have seen this |
| [05:02:47] | sphery: | kormoc: so, yeah, accessibility.typeaheadfind kills Konami codes in the browser |
| [05:03:32] | kormoc: | ahh |
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| [05:18:49] | rhollan: | Ah! I think I see what's going on: frontend runs as one user, backend as mythtv, and frontend creates ripped DVDs... so backend can't delete them |
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| [05:28:06] | high-rez: | What file extension should a bluray disk be dor myth to play it ? |
| [05:28:46] | high-rez: | e.g. it's an .iso rip – but myth tries to play it as a dvd... |
| [05:29:04] | wagnerrp: | what version of myth are you running? |
| [05:29:23] | high-rez: | 0.24 (trunk) |
| [05:29:39] | wagnerrp: | should just be iso |
| [05:30:42] | high-rez: | Huh. It tries to use libdvdread etf |
| [05:30:51] | high-rez: | libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
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| [05:38:59] | justinh: | psst. anybody wanna join my top secret new club? PM me. LOL |
| [05:40:30] | justinh: | good grief. morons complaining to UK broadcasters about the noise the Vuvuzella makes on the footbeh audio track |
| [05:40:49] | justinh: | "I thought I was being attacked by a swarm of wasps!" |
| [05:41:29] | kormoc: | I was getting attacked by a swarm of wasps but I thought it was the tv... whoops |
| [05:41:47] | justinh: | a lot of talk about whether or not broadcasters can filter it out. they've been watching too much CSI again |
| [05:42:35] | justinh: | and the broadcasters saying they can't even EQ it out cos it'll affect the commentary. LOL. Yeah like all the sound comes from one mike |
| [05:42:41] | kormoc: | You just enable the "Wasp Swarm" filter and all is well |
| [05:43:01] | justinh: | heh |
| [05:43:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you can chop out bands, but youll have to cut a fairly wide swath |
| [05:43:16] | justinh: | just run all the audio through Cool Edit Pro |
| [05:43:28] | wagnerrp: | and youll have to cut several of them for the various tonal frequencies |
| [05:43:44] | wagnerrp: | someone needs to do that, and show people just how awful it would sound |
| [05:43:52] | justinh: | thousands of notches, likely. not all vuvuzella sound the same |
| [05:44:28] | justinh: | I couldn't sleep last night so had a read of Andy Quested's blog. He's the head tech honcho at BBC HD |
| [05:44:30] | wagnerrp: | the sound is more a function of the player, not the instrument |
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| [05:44:50] | wagnerrp: | and the players are untrained waifs |
| [05:45:20] | justinh: | people still whining about the quality (or lack of) BBC HD.. so the BBC invited a group of them to HQ to compare encoders with source material |
| [05:45:55] | justinh: | wagnerrp: honk if you wanna go faster? |
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| [05:58:14] | wagnerrp: | well thats interesting |
| [05:58:27] | wagnerrp: | i just managed to get caught on a channel that went offline |
| [05:58:42] | wagnerrp: | so i cant get back into livetv to change the channel |
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| [06:08:22] | justinh: | that's some functionality I'd change too |
| [06:08:32] | justinh: | default channel should mean just that IMHO |
| [06:08:51] | justinh: | not 'the first channel we ever tune to but then we'll forget forever' |
| [06:09:36] | justinh: | could pick the first channel which exists on that source instead – and if people *Set* a 'default channel' then always tune to that first |
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| [06:10:56] | justinh: | always reminds me of an outcry a long time ago when breakfast TV was introduced.. 'the BBC, being channel 1 will win the ratings war by default'. heh |
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| [06:23:23] | Caesar: | Hi, can anyone tell me what the deal is with the MythFlix plugin and 0.23? |
| [06:23:50] | Caesar: | I see references that the plugin has been merged with MythTV instead of being a third-party thing, but I can't see it in the build of 0.23 I'm running |
| [06:23:56] | justinh: | wasn't it removed because nobody loved it? |
| [06:24:15] | justinh: | it was only ever a queue manager thing anyway |
| [06:24:21] | Caesar: | Yeah, that's all I used it for |
| [06:24:24] | justinh: | and no use to anybody outside the US |
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| [06:24:35] | wagnerrp: | mythflix was first party, never third party |
| [06:24:43] | Caesar: | Oh? |
| [06:24:53] | Caesar: | So it just got dropped? |
| [06:24:54] | wagnerrp: | and none of the devs used it, or had any desire to update it for qt4 and the new ui |
| [06:24:58] | justinh: | yeah it was an official plugin from day one |
| [06:25:00] | Caesar: | Ah I see |
| [06:25:03] | wagnerrp: | so it was dropped from the repository |
| [06:25:08] | Caesar: | That's a shame |
| [06:25:17] | wagnerrp: | not much of a loss |
| [06:25:22] | Caesar: | I liking being able to look at my queue without having to reach for a laptop |
| [06:25:27] | justinh: | dropped doesn't have to mean permanent if somebody wanted to take it up |
| [06:25:28] | Caesar: | s/liking/liked/ |
| [06:25:38] | justinh: | same goes for the other dropped plugins |
| [06:25:43] | wagnerrp: | make it a link in mythbrowser |
| [06:25:59] | Caesar: | wagnerrp: the UI was a bit nicer than just bailing out to a web browser |
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| [06:27:15] | justinh: | well no point moaning about it :-) It's gone – til somebody scrapes up its remains & fixes it all up for mythui & qt4 |
| [06:28:07] | wagnerrp: | the plan was that if anyone were to port it forward, it would become a generic use queue manager |
| [06:28:13] | wagnerrp: | rather than just one to use with netflix |
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| [06:28:24] | justinh: | still need to set about making that general info display plugin I was thinking about once |
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| [06:30:54] | justinh: | eek. starting to have a to-do list again |
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| [07:30:25] | sidh: | Greetings |
| [07:30:51] | p3nis: | hi |
| [07:32:09] | sidh: | I have made a good part of the job in mythtv settings on debian squeeze, but i can't troubleshoot this error : DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1, I use a Hauppauge Nova TD 500 (dvb-t dual tuner), any idea ? |
| [07:33:02] | p3nis: | did you create a video source for that tuner |
| [07:33:33] | sidh: | yes |
| [07:39:12] | justinh: | it's just a warning. doesn't mean much |
| [07:39:39] | justinh: | it says that for any DVB device that doesn't have a DiSEq attachment |
| [07:40:01] | justinh: | if you're having problems scanning or something else – that isn't the cause of the problem |
| [07:42:31] | sidh: | ok i saw another problem that could be the cause, i investigate |
| [07:42:33] | sidh: | thanks |
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| [07:51:12] | Beirdo: | I hate Windows |
| [07:51:24] | Beirdo: | however... Top Gear is on BBCA |
| [07:51:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:53:20] | Beirdo: | and they are about to launch a Reliant (?) Robin as a space shuttle |
| [07:53:22] | Beirdo: | oook |
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| [07:54:57] | justinh: | classic episode |
| [07:55:06] | justinh: | blatant fakery, but immense fun |
| [07:55:30] | Beirdo: | I've never watched this show before, but I gotta say, I like it |
| [07:55:40] | justinh: | hey I just figured out why Christopher Ecclestone left Dr Who |
| [07:55:53] | Beirdo: | cars, British humour... and fun |
| [07:56:04] | justinh: | read something on BBC News where he's quoted as saying "conditions the cast & crew had to endure".. and now I'm thinking.. BARROWMAN |
| [07:56:35] | justinh: | John Barrowman is reportedly fond of whipping his tackle out at every available opportunity |
| [07:56:50] | Beirdo: | oh, splendid |
| [08:00:35] | justinh: | and in other news, a school in England has banned skirts because it 'places girls at risk'. Yay, way to turn everyone into a victim already |
| [08:00:51] | Beirdo: | oh god |
| [08:01:01] | Beirdo: | wear underwear, you sluts |
| [08:01:06] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:01:31] | Beirdo: | so the report on Bloody Sunday is today? This should be an interesting day |
| [08:03:39] | Beirdo: | OK, reboot time for my crappy Windows laptop |
| [08:03:47] | Beirdo: | be back hopefully shortly |
| [08:04:01] | justinh: | overzealous troops? nah |
| [08:04:18] | justinh: | troops will be troops, yada yada. end of findings |
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| [08:24:25] | Beirdo: | yay, that helped |
| [08:24:38] | Beirdo: | sound works... vpn works... |
| [08:27:22] | justinh: | grr I dunno why I bothered putting any info on the dog training website about how to join when people are emailing to enquire about how they join |
| [08:28:01] | Beirdo: | now if I can get IPv6 running on WinXP :) |
| [08:52:59] | justinh: | if only I could get this connection to my home to be persistent |
| [08:53:27] | justinh: | I wouldn't care but when freenx loses the connection everything running in it dies too |
| [08:53:47] | justinh: | hmm maybe there's an option for that |
| [08:54:19] | Beirdo: | screen |
| [08:54:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [08:54:46] | justinh: | already using that for my ssh terminal |
| [08:54:58] | Beirdo: | good : |
| [08:55:15] | Beirdo: | VNC doesn't do that, does it? |
| [08:55:48] | justinh: | no it doesn't kill whatever was running in it til you kill the server |
| [08:56:05] | justinh: | but for some reason vnc isn't working |
| [08:56:11] | justinh: | I get a blank desktop & nothing else |
| [08:56:45] | Beirdo: | oh how I hate Windows |
| [08:56:46] | justinh: | blank as in .. just the background image |
| [08:56:50] | Beirdo: | odd |
| [08:59:19] | Pwen: | hi all. what is the best method to automatically transcode recordings to other formats? inbuilt mythtranscode or nuvexport? |
| [08:59:35] | Pwen: | and by 'best' I mean most straightforward to setup, with presets? |
| [09:01:58] | justinh: | not mythtranscode |
| [09:02:13] | justinh: | if by 'other formats' you mean stuff that isn't in mythtv's own format |
| [09:02:21] | justinh: | s/format/container/ |
| [09:02:50] | justinh: | lol. I've been tasked with downgrading HDMI & USB cables in our units to see what effect it has |
| [09:03:02] | justinh: | quote 'use rubbish cable' |
| [09:03:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:03:57] | Beirdo: | windows sucks. now it wants another reboot to uninstall ipv6 so I can reinstall it? |
| [09:04:03] | justinh: | not looking fwd to soldering cheap wire onto male & female HDMI connectors mind |
| [09:04:43] | Pwen: | justinh: mainly for xbox360, so avi with divx – I should use nuvexport? |
| [09:04:58] | justinh: | apparently HDMI certified internal cables we use are too heavy & can pull cards out |
| [09:05:13] | justinh: | Pwen: eew. avi sucks |
| [09:05:27] | jduggan: | justinh: still working at the place that makes dvrs for cctv etc ? |
| [09:05:30] | justinh: | as does transcoding anyway |
| [09:05:31] | Pwen: | I know. but its for the technologically challenged people in my house. |
| [09:05:34] | justinh: | jduggan: aye |
| [09:05:52] | justinh: | why can't the xbox360 play mpeg ? |
| [09:06:18] | justinh: | ah wait. it's not "can't" is it? It's WON'T |
| [09:06:23] | Pwen: | I'm not sure, I dont know anything about xboxes |
| [09:07:06] | Pwen: | he can add the recording as is to his windows media library, but trying to play it on the xbox gives a blank screen |
| [09:07:24] | Pwen: | IIRC the recording straight off the air is mpeg2, yeah? |
| [09:07:39] | justinh: | I'm not down on all this transcoding & keeping stuff ad infinitum |
| [09:08:32] | Pwen: | I dont want it kept forever, just want it to be transcoded after recording so his xbox can play it, but you raise an interesting point |
| [09:08:38] | Pwen: | myth wouldnt then autoexpire the transcode |
| [09:08:53] | Pwen: | maybe I will have to put this into the 'too hard' basket |
| [09:10:18] | justinh: | user jobs ftw |
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| [09:10:46] | Beirdo: | the heck with this... sleep time |
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| [09:13:55] | Pwen: | user jobs |
| [09:13:56] | Pwen: | hmmm |
| [09:15:39] | justinh: | seee the wiki |
| [09:17:07] | justinh: | what I can't for the life of me figure out is why, if the machine can already play DVD.. it refuses to play mpeg2 |
| [09:17:18] | justinh: | it's not like they didn't pay the license fee |
| [09:19:54] | ** justinh disembowels an HDMI cable ** | |
| [09:23:00] | justinh: | be funny if when I put 2x RJ45 sockets on each end & use ordinary CAT5 cable – if it works over a whole reel |
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| [09:48:40] | justinh: | hahaha no way! |
| [09:49:05] | justinh: | hdmi, 1080 working over 10M cat5. unshielded & I didn't pay much attention to the termination really |
| [09:49:26] | Pwen: | "working" is different to "working well" :p |
| [09:49:26] | justinh: | that's with 2M HDMI cable inbetween too |
| [09:49:37] | justinh: | there's a picture with no dropouts |
| [09:50:19] | justinh: | just goes some way to prove how good at compensating the HDMI transceivers are at each end |
| [09:51:14] | justinh: | also shows we don't necessarily have to use certified cable for the short interconnects inside the unit |
| [09:53:02] | justinh: | as for the USB.. I always said we needn't have used board mounted USB connectors & proper 'usb' cables inside the box. sometimes it's as if our designers have never seen inside a PC |
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| [09:53:43] | justinh: | oh you mean it's best to put a fan really near the thing you want to cool down? |
| [09:55:22] | justinh: | wth? 'hi-speed' USB cables aren't even twisted pair? heh |
| [09:56:16] | justinh: | I reckon we might have to submit our stuff for EMC re-test if we do go unscreened inside though |
| [10:00:03] | justinh: | interesting. some HDMI over cat5 adapters don't have a powered transmit end. wth? |
| [10:01:24] | justinh: | ahh 5V on the socket |
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| [10:35:36] | justinh: | hahaha National Semiconductor are selling digital video to coax converters |
| [10:35:46] | justinh: | as in – send HDMI/SDI over 150 metres of coax |
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| [13:00:31] | wagnerrp: | huh... 'Into the Wild Green Yonder' is marked as a new futurama episode |
| [13:02:09] | wagnerrp: | oh, it is new, that was one of the movies.... |
| [13:02:13] | wagnerrp: | thats why i remember it |
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| [13:12:19] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:12:46] | justinh: | our new C6 codec 'only' pulls 1 amp at 3.3V going flat out |
| [13:12:57] | justinh: | put that in yer portable device |
| [13:13:24] | justinh: | encoding 1 channel of D1 video to mpeg4. myers |
| [13:14:15] | wagnerrp: | meh, thats nothing |
| [13:14:32] | wagnerrp: | a giant statue of jesus about 30mi north of me got struck by lightning last night |
| [13:14:36] | wagnerrp: | and burned to the ground |
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| [13:15:05] | justinh: | a lot of current for something not doing much IMHO |
| [13:15:17] | justinh: | wow. thou shalt not worship false idols |
| [13:18:08] | justinh: | huhuh uhuhuhuhh huhuhuhuhuhuhuh. lightnin' is kewl. uhhuhuhuhuh |
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| [13:33:03] | justinh: | interesting. some internet radio thingies are now coming with a upnp extension that allows you to control them remotely |
| [13:33:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, render controlpoint or something |
| [13:33:52] | tzanger: | wagnerrp: wow, got a news link or something to it? |
| [13:34:41] | wagnerrp: | http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100615/NEWS01/306150004 |
| [13:34:47] | tzanger: | thanks |
| [13:37:28] | justinh: | wth was it made of? |
| [13:37:39] | justinh: | ah plastic & fibreglass. figures |
| [13:38:02] | justinh: | here was I picturing a stone carving being vapourised |
| [13:38:03] | justinh: | :D |
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| [15:45:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: re [25080], is it possible that error would break GetProgramDetails as well? |
| [15:45:35] | wagnerrp: | its not causing a segfault, its just not working |
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| [15:48:38] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [15:48:54] | wagnerrp: | it seems that function only works on episodes existing in the guide |
| [15:48:58] | wagnerrp: | not on existing recordings |
| [15:49:39] | iamlindoro: | That's interesting.. feels like that must be an oversight |
| [15:50:42] | wagnerrp: | its paired with GetProgramGuide, which has an option to just list cursory information on each show |
| [15:50:59] | wagnerrp: | which you can then use GetProgramDetails to get more detailed information for it |
| [15:51:17] | wagnerrp: | i had just mistaken it for an analog of QUERY_RECORDING in the backend protocol, which it is not |
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| [15:51:38] | wagnerrp: | there is no similar function over MythXML |
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| [16:04:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, glad you figured it out. |
| [16:06:19] | sphery: | sorry I missed the question |
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| [16:22:47] | ** justinh wonders if that guy saw the patched schedule-ui.xml I posted ** | |
| [16:23:00] | justinh: | rileyp or whatever his name was |
| [16:23:12] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v janneg | |
| [16:25:20] | sphery: | I saw it :) |
| [16:25:28] | sphery: | and the pic looked much better. |
| [16:25:51] | justinh: | anyway iamlindoro got a revised file for graphite if you're interested. people were whining & I spent half an hour. I figure it'd be better long-term to change the actual text so we don't have unneccessarily long strings in future but... |
| [16:26:11] | sphery: | thanks for taking the time to work on |
| [16:26:29] | justinh: | np. distracted me from the hell I inherited from my old concept theme idea |
| [16:26:46] | justinh: | it's now a monster, broken in all kinds of places I need to fix from the bottom up |
| [16:27:08] | justinh: | no thanks to me not keeping up with developments ;) |
| [16:27:29] | sphery: | heh, yeah... catching up can take a lot of time |
| [16:27:39] | justinh: | my old ways of working need looking at I think |
| [16:28:32] | justinh: | reckon it'd be better to kind of start at the top, then put inheritables in base.xml not the other way around |
| [16:29:21] | justinh: | sphery: I could commit that new file but no way am I treading on anyone's toes ;) |
| [16:29:36] | justinh: | definitely hands-off |
| [16:30:05] | iamlindoro: | justinh: You are welcome to commit it |
| [16:30:11] | iamlindoro: | justinh: thanks for doing it |
| [16:30:28] | iamlindoro: | it's a screen I copied from default and said "I'm going to come back and work on this" |
| [16:30:31] | iamlindoro: | and then never did |
| [16:30:33] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:30:35] | justinh: | know that feeling |
| [16:31:13] | justinh: | which reminds me.. must get back to trying to find suitable curtains for the epic that turned out to be the nursery |
| [16:31:20] | iamlindoro: | I themed the other schedule editor screens but obviously neglected that one, and I think I moved on to Arclight shortly thereafter |
| [16:31:29] | justinh: | since my wife's lost all interest in looking ;) |
| [16:31:39] | iamlindoro: | Think I themed them right when they were written |
| [16:31:58] | justinh: | no need for excuses. yer prerogatives are yers ;) |
| [16:32:43] | justinh: | rats. I can't just svn up.. I checked this out as anon |
| [16:32:50] | justinh: | oo. or not |
| [16:34:11] | justinh: | heh I need to RTFM on svn again |
| [16:34:16] | justinh: | I forgot everything |
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| [16:37:09] | justinh: | that felt weird. 1st commit in *how* long? |
| [16:37:27] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Did you want to commit that to trunk too? |
| [16:37:36] | iamlindoro: | So that it doesn't get lost |
| [16:37:42] | ** J-e-f-f-A marks his calendar. ** | |
| [16:37:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [16:37:56] | iamlindoro: | I can create a diff if not, it's no problem |
| [16:38:04] | iamlindoro: | or rather, the same diff should apply fine |
| [16:38:23] | justinh: | don't have a trunk co handy sorry |
| [16:41:58] | iamlindoro: | ok, done |
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| [16:46:09] | justinh: | cool. ervybody happees |
| [16:46:43] | BaZiL: | i run mythbuntu, it has come to some problems login in to mythweb, and i have forgotten the user/password, how can i change user / password, or remove the security ? |
| [16:47:36] | justinh: | dunno how mythbuntu set the password – but look in the .conf file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| [16:48:26] | justinh: | if the auth type is 'digest' you need to use the htdigest command.. htdigest -c htdigestfile where htdigestfile is the same path mentioned in the .conf file |
| [16:49:00] | justinh: | alternatively if the auth type is 'basic' you need the htpasswd command. same principle with that |
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| [16:51:52] | justinh: | but I think you should really ask in #mythbuntu. they'll know better – I don't care how long it takes to get an answer |
| [16:51:56] | BaZiL: | found somethin called digest .. if i use # infront of all those commands,, and restart apache ,, do i get rid of password check then ? |
| [16:52:14] | justinh: | is mythweb open to the internet? |
| [16:52:30] | BaZiL: | not at the moment |
| [16:52:43] | justinh: | you'll be ok commenting that line out |
| [16:53:04] | BaZiL: | ok .. and then learn howto change passwords n put it back again ? |
| [16:53:15] | BaZiL: | thanks alot for yer help man .. really appreciate it ! |
| [16:53:20] | justinh: | the htdigest command. pretty simples |
| [16:53:40] | justinh: | sudo htdigest $file REALM user IIRC |
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| [16:53:51] | justinh: | oops forgot the -c |
| [16:54:09] | justinh: | or maybe there's already an option to change the password |
| [16:54:14] | justinh: | man htdigest ;) |
| [16:54:16] | BaZiL: | yes .. found em now .. looks quite easy |
| [16:54:29] | BaZiL: | gotta grab a bite to eat . thanks for the help man |
| [16:54:33] | justinh: | np |
| [16:54:46] | coolblue: | does anyone know what this message mean? NVP(0), Warning: Waited too long for decoder to pause – it spams my log and I cannot watch livetv since this message is appeared… I cannot tune any channel |
| [16:56:13] | justinh: | you need to look at your backend log |
| [16:56:20] | justinh: | properly I mean |
| [16:56:57] | coolblue: | I have looked to it, but there are no messages that could help me.. |
| [16:57:10] | justinh: | you reckon? |
| [16:57:12] | iamlindoro: | Yes, but there are likely messages that could help people who know how to read them |
| [16:57:26] | coolblue: | moment please |
| [16:57:55] | justinh: | also try getting a clean log & restart the backend |
| [16:58:05] | coolblue: | http://pastebin.com/gKRZq3xg |
| [16:58:22] | coolblue: | there are the last lines |
| [16:58:31] | coolblue: | okey when you want I will do a clean logging |
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| [17:00:46] | Sagoniar: | Hi |
| [17:00:59] | cesman: | hello |
| [17:01:45] | Sagoniar: | little question about controls .. could it be possible to assign a key (eg left) in the main menu and assign this key to volume up in tv show ? |
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| [17:01:58] | Sagoniar: | i ask this because my remote controller lacks keys .. |
| [17:02:32] | justinh: | Sagoniar: if you do that you'd have to change the bindings for playback navigation |
| [17:02:50] | justinh: | less hassle to get a remote control that isn't lame |
| [17:02:52] | Sagoniar: | i don't care about playback navigation ^^ |
| [17:03:20] | Sagoniar: | but can it be possible to assign a key two functions .. in different context of course ? |
| [17:03:23] | justinh: | so you don't wanna ffw,rew, skip- or skip+ |
| [17:03:31] | Sagoniar: | no, not for tv show |
| [17:03:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: And how do you intend to use MythTV? |
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| [17:03:45] | justinh: | in different contexts sure |
| [17:03:47] | Sagoniar: | i use Mythtv as a standard tv |
| [17:03:56] | justinh: | but left & right buttons are very useful |
| [17:04:14] | Sagoniar: | yeah, i know ... but volume is useful too :) |
| [17:04:31] | Sagoniar: | for my use, in tv show ffw and ffr is no use |
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| [17:05:19] | coolblue: | So again with the problem Waited too long for decoder to pause with fresh loggs: Backend: http://pastebin.com/teakKLHJ Frontend: http://pastebin.com/i4vUj7kA |
| [17:05:52] | justinh: | so er.. use your tv remote :) |
| [17:06:07] | justinh: | and seriously.. a decent remote costs so little.. |
| [17:06:16] | justinh: | less than the time you'll waste fiddling with keybindings |
| [17:06:45] | justinh: | you *can* change default bindings to other things but it's not something I'd recommend |
| [17:06:54] | Sagoniar: | ok .. i will try it ^^ |
| [17:07:04] | Sagoniar: | does the ati remote controller is a best choice ? |
| [17:07:17] | justinh: | wouldn't say anything ATI make is the best of anything |
| [17:07:33] | Sagoniar: | ^^ |
| [17:07:47] | wagnerrp: | certainly not on linux anyway |
| [17:07:47] | justinh: | ironically, Microsoft's MCE remotes are highly regarded |
| [17:07:59] | justinh: | nor on windows, in my experience |
| [17:08:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: Many of use us the Microsoft MCE remote... Search auction sites for "Microsoft RC6" for the best results. |
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| [17:08:19] | Sagoniar: | ok thanks |
| [17:08:33] | justinh: | you will never regret having a remote with *enough* buttons. honestly :) |
| [17:08:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | (RC6 is the protocol – and if you just search for "MCE Remote", you'll get lots of non-MS crap...) |
| [17:09:35] | justinh: | I still wanna ditch my harmony remote. it blows |
| [17:09:37] | Sagoniar: | another question .. a little technic it seems ... can i reduce the time between "zap" ? .. i know that this time is needed to feed the record cache ... but WAF tell me that gentoo on our bedroom is cool but it will be better for me if zapping could be faster ^^ |
| [17:09:58] | Sagoniar: | i have seen harmony .... beautifull .. but no money :/ |
| [17:10:04] | coolblue: | iamlindoro: would you like to help me with this problem? |
| [17:10:10] | justinh: | no, you can't change how long it takes to change channel |
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| [17:10:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: 'zap', as in channel-change time? |
| [17:10:28] | Sagoniar: | es |
| [17:10:30] | Sagoniar: | yes |
| [17:10:35] | justinh: | how long it takes is however long it takes. some people's setups change faster than others & there's not much to determine why |
| [17:10:46] | Sagoniar: | even in source code ? ^^ .. i mean .. an obscure line with a record time that can be reduced ? |
| [17:10:54] | justinh: | no |
| [17:10:57] | Sagoniar: | ok |
| [17:11:04] | justinh: | if all you're doing is *watching* live tv use something else |
| [17:11:11] | kormoc: | Sagoniar, no, the only tweak you can do is change the delay in your ir sending script |
| [17:11:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: That depends... if it's your channel-change script, perhaps, but if it's waiting for the lock, then not really. |
| [17:11:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yep. |
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| [17:11:42] | Sagoniar: | i've already speeded up the lock .. but the buffer take some times |
| [17:11:58] | justinh: | wait for a lock, wait for valid data.. wait for PIDs.. start buffering.. wait for the buffer.. play |
| [17:12:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: And like justinh says – if you're only using MythTV for "Live TV", you're using it wrong! ;-) Use it as a PVR – that's what it's designed for. |
| [17:12:11] | Sagoniar: | and i have a dual tuner (sony Play TV) so i use Mythtv for planify records .. but i really like to use my first tuner like a "standard" tv |
| [17:12:26] | justinh: | meh |
| [17:12:33] | justinh: | you won't find any sympathy here :) |
| [17:12:40] | Sagoniar: | hehehe ^^ |
| [17:12:52] | Sagoniar: | damned .... some integrists ^^ |
| [17:12:58] | justinh: | we're all converts to watching what we want to watch when *we* have the time |
| [17:13:13] | justinh: | not random grazing, wasting zillions of hours of our short lives :) |
| [17:13:24] | Sagoniar: | me too, one tuner is dedicated to records, but you know .. my wife .... |
| [17:13:49] | coolblue: | I will watch livetv, too :-) |
| [17:13:53] | justinh: | hmmm. if the teevees was broken.. you'd have to find something better to do :P |
| [17:14:07] | Sagoniar: | ... humm .. not a bad idea ........ |
| [17:14:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... My son was on an interview lately, and they asked "Are there any nights you can't work because your favorite TV show is on?" "He said – Nope – we have a 'MythTV' system – think 'TiVO' on Steroids..." ... hehehehe |
| [17:14:11] | ** Sagoniar emerge -c mythtv ^^ ** | |
| [17:14:25] | Sagoniar: | hehe |
| [17:14:56] | justinh: | and the irony of the most customisable distro evah having slow channel change time you can do nothing about. I love that |
| [17:15:30] | justinh: | you could always just keep one tuner for mythtv, use mythtv for watching recordings – and then something else to view the other tuner |
| [17:15:34] | Sagoniar: | Justinh .. are you saying that gentoo is slow compared to others distros for channel changing time ? |
| [17:15:47] | justinh: | lol no |
| [17:15:57] | Sagoniar: | pfeuuu .. i was affraid ^^ |
| [17:16:07] | justinh: | distro is not one of the variables involved |
| [17:16:14] | Sagoniar: | not a bad idea .. to use another software .. but the WAF is here .. so ... |
| [17:16:17] | Sagoniar: | ok |
| [17:16:25] | justinh: | if only it was :D |
| [17:16:46] | Sagoniar: | does someone use SSD and see some differences for mythtv ? |
| [17:17:02] | justinh: | lol I doubt that too |
| [17:17:26] | Sagoniar: | .. acces time may do the difference .. no ? |
| [17:17:33] | justinh: | I'd put money on 2 seconds of your channel change time being the time it takes to get a lock & for the tuner to start outputting good data |
| [17:18:03] | justinh: | some tuners lock faster than others |
| [17:18:12] | Sagoniar: | i will say something horrible .... under windows this tuner is really fast ..... i'm already outside ^^ |
| [17:18:38] | justinh: | sony's playtv tuner works in windows? :-O |
| [17:18:44] | Sagoniar: | yes |
| [17:18:53] | justinh: | oh well. have fun with that then |
| [17:19:17] | coolblue: | justinh: hello :-) |
| [17:19:24] | Sagoniar: | not really the goal ^^ |
| [17:19:29] | ** justinh goes to cook his steaks ** | |
| [17:19:36] | kormoc: | Sagoniar, patches welcome |
| [17:19:40] | coolblue: | hmmm goood :-) |
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| [17:20:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: on Windows, is it acting as a PVR, or just dumping the video to the screen? |
| [17:20:36] | Sagoniar: | dumping of course |
| [17:20:45] | Sagoniar: | like with edtv under same gentoo box |
| [17:20:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: So you're comparing apples to oranges. ;-) |
| [17:21:05] | Sagoniar: | i know .. i know ^^ |
| [17:21:10] | sphery: | Wow, you know we've become /the/ DVR system when we have so many world leaders subscribed to the users list that people start doing, "[mythtv-users] Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders" |
| [17:21:12] | coolblue: | I like Apple :-) |
| [17:21:35] | justinh: | if you look at how fast channel change time is in MCE, but factor in how much time you spend restarting it cos it crashed .. umm... |
| [17:22:38] | justinh: | oh and how much time you waste cos it's recorded so many duplicates & missed so many new showings.. heheheh |
| [17:23:26] | Sagoniar: | i only said that because we were talking of the "poor" capacite of play tv to change channels ^^ |
| [17:24:06] | Sagoniar: | Anyway, i must admit that i'm really happy about Mythtv ^^ |
| [17:24:56] | kormoc: | Different core design decisions |
| [17:25:10] | kormoc: | we aren't making it slow to make it slow |
| [17:25:12] | Sagoniar: | kormoc => ok, now i understand ^^ |
| [17:25:27] | Sagoniar: | procedure is not the same, some tests are involved i presume |
| [17:25:43] | coolblue: | Is there anyone that like to help me? |
| [17:26:38] | ** Sagoniar goes to check that his pool is not overflowing ** | |
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| [17:28:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Also, M$ has billions of dollars to spend on development... Our developers don't! |
| [17:30:16] | Azelphur: | ...or do they |
| [17:30:18] | Azelphur: | *shiftey eyes* |
| [17:30:43] | sphery: | coolblue: Few people will volunteer to help until you've asked a question. I refuse to help you with anything I'm unqualified to help with, so until I know what help you need... (In other words, just ask.) |
| [17:34:31] | coolblue: | I have a Problem with 0.23: "Waited too long for decoder to pause" Here with fresh loggs: Backend: http://pastebin.com/teakKLHJÂ Â Frontend: http://pastebin.com/i4vUj7kA |
| [17:35:41] | kormoc: | coolblue, the backend log line 22–24 are the key lines |
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| [17:36:43] | coolblue: | why? the last days it was working fine, since I have switched to a channel that he could not decode/show |
| [17:36:56] | sphery: | so, looks like either your DVB drivers are broken/improperly installed or your Input Connections configuration in MythTV is broken |
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| [17:37:21] | coolblue: | hmm |
| [17:37:34] | coolblue: | how to solve? drivers are the newest from v4l |
| [17:37:38] | coolblue: | self compiled |
| [17:37:50] | sphery: | If it's Input Connections, you can clear the broken config with: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 , and then if you reconfigure properly, all should be well. |
| [17:38:05] | sphery: | You may need to do both the video sources and the capture cards portion of the approach |
| [17:39:06] | coolblue: | When I would do this.. then all my channel configs are gone, or not? |
| [17:39:27] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:39:31] | sphery: | as they may well be the problem |
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| [17:40:03] | coolblue: | that could not the ideal solution for a problem, that is since I tune a "broken" channel ?!? |
| [17:40:26] | coolblue: | I have spend 3 days to sort my channels from satelite.. all work for trash? |
| [17:42:06] | coolblue: | Can I export my channel sortings? |
| [17:42:11] | kormoc: | coolblue, if english isn't your primary language, there might be a channel in your primary language that might be easier for you |
| [17:43:21] | coolblue: | I come from germany, yes my english isn't so good, but the germany channel or forum is very empty. English is the world language and give me a wider base for support |
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| [17:45:58] | coolblue: | sphery: I could try it. Bevor I would make a backup of the database. When it should resolve this issue, is there a way to import my channels sortings from the backup? |
| [17:47:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Is the issue that you just have a 'bad' channel in your lineup? (ie: scrambled or something?) |
| [17:47:18] | johnnyj: | he he he: He who codes it gets an automatic majority vote. |
| [17:47:26] | sphery: | coolblue: there's no supported way to selectively import channels--since they use foreign data in other tables and other tables use channel data |
| [17:47:43] | sphery: | johnnyj: :) |
| [17:48:52] | coolblue: | J-e-f-f-A: I think it was a bad channel that produces this problem, but I cannot tune any other channel, everytime I will try it, frontend will hang |
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| [17:49:42] | sphery: | coolblue: if all you want to do is reset the starting channel, just go to mythtv-setup and change just the starting channel (on all your input connections) there |
| [17:49:50] | coolblue: | I have deactivated this channel in mythweb, but it does not solve it |
| [17:49:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolblue: perhaps running 'mythtv-setup' again, and changing the 'starting' channel for that tuner to a known good channel would work? Then delete the 'bad' channel' using the channel editor? |
| [17:50:11] | sphery: | i.e. if you had tried to go to an unusable channel, it remembers that channel and will always again start on that channel |
| [17:50:26] | sphery: | so you have to change it in mythtv-setup and then don't ever go back to the bad channel |
| [17:50:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hey, that's not fair, you can't type the same solution at the same time as me! ;-) hehehehehehe |
| [17:50:38] | coolblue: | sphery: yes, thats a problem |
| [17:51:24] | sphery: | heh, but I was slower than you, it seems :) |
| [17:51:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: not according to my irc window. ;-) |
| [17:51:57] | justinh: | I think the 'starting channel' and 'last channel tuned' behaviour could stand a looking at |
| [17:51:58] | Sagoniar: | do you think that a via 800mhz will be sufficient for a frontend and watching SD records ? |
| [17:52:10] | justinh: | Sagoniar: no. I've been there |
| [17:52:21] | coolblue: | funny guyes :-) I will try again in backend to set to another start channel… but in the past, the frontend ignores this setting and use the old channel :( |
| [17:52:23] | Sagoniar: | erff .. a new nas is born so ^^ |
| [17:52:24] | justinh: | it was ok sometimes, and not ok at other times. it was a *mess* |
| [17:52:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: What type of SD? MPEG2? Perhaps. |
| [17:52:35] | Sagoniar: | yes |
| [17:52:38] | Sagoniar: | dvb-t records |
| [17:52:40] | Sagoniar: | in sd definition |
| [17:52:48] | justinh: | via xvmc has been broken many many times |
| [17:53:15] | Sagoniar: | sad .. |
| [17:53:17] | justinh: | my via epia frontend worked for ages, then suddenly one day something in the streams changed & it couldn't keep up |
| [17:53:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: It might be ok, but that's pretty slow. |
| [17:53:39] | Sagoniar: | cpu usage related ? |
| [17:53:45] | Sagoniar: | or via chipset .. ? |
| [17:53:55] | justinh: | Sagoniar: no. related to the mpeg2 decoder not coping |
| [17:53:59] | Sagoniar: | ok |
| [17:54:14] | justinh: | it's a very expensive solution for what you get for the money |
| [17:54:21] | Sagoniar: | i will receive it tomorrow .. i will give it a try just for fun .. |
| [17:54:25] | Sagoniar: | 30 euros |
| [17:54:34] | Sagoniar: | shipping included |
| [17:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've got an Asus Pundit P2 with a Via chipset, and it does fine for SD, but it's an Athlon 64 3200+ processor too... |
| [17:54:39] | Sagoniar: | not a new of course |
| [17:54:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... but it doesn't do US MPEG2 720p very well... very notchy. |
| [17:54:56] | justinh: | I bought mine from new |
| [17:55:29] | Sagoniar: | for the price of a via epia , i preffer s775 itx or an atom |
| [17:55:52] | Sagoniar: | but 775 itx and atom are new .. so epia was a dream for long tims for me |
| [17:56:04] | justinh: | if you're gonna go with small form factor get something with real video decoding onboard |
| [17:56:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: Does it have a PCIe slot? |
| [17:56:15] | justinh: | or else a real CPU :) |
| [17:56:19] | Sagoniar: | hehehe |
| [17:56:32] | Sagoniar: | this via 800mhz doesn't have pci express ^^ |
| [17:56:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Then no Nvidia upgrade for you! ;-) |
| [17:56:56] | coolblue: | ompf.. I have tried this fix (startchannel in backend) and it didn't worked… but now it works... |
| [17:57:06] | Sagoniar: | coolblue => cool ^^ |
| [17:57:19] | coolblue: | yes |
| [17:57:19] | Sagoniar: | but there is a PCI bus ^^ |
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| [17:57:31] | Sagoniar: | so a xf 5200 may do the trick |
| [17:57:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolblue: You probably 'ESCaped' out of the menu after changing it instead of going through to 'finish' ... |
| [17:57:38] | justinh: | Sagoniar: nope |
| [17:57:49] | justinh: | nvidia xvmc was pointless |
| [17:57:51] | coolblue: | But one question: Is this normal that mythfrontend crashes or hangs, when there is a channel he cannot display? |
| [17:57:51] | Sagoniar: | erfff .... |
| [17:57:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: 5200 won't do VDPAU. 8xxx + |
| [17:58:07] | Sagoniar: | maybee Bonjour project will handle it ... don't know .. i will check |
| [17:58:32] | Sagoniar: | Nouveau .. sorry ^^ not Bonjour |
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| [18:00:33] | Sagoniar: | from myth wiki = The 173.14.09 release includes support for the XVideo Motion Compensation (XvMC) version 1.0 API on GeForce 5 series, GeForce 6 series and GeForce 7 series addin cards, as well as motherboard chipsets with integrated graphics that have PureVideo support. |
| [18:00:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | xvmc is dead. |
| [18:01:13] | sphery: | long live CPU decoding |
| [18:01:19] | Sagoniar: | ok |
| [18:01:27] | sphery: | (for MPEG-2, no need for anything else :) |
| [18:01:57] | sphery: | Sagoniar: it should be possible to compile with XvMC support currently, but XvMC is very limited and only works with MPEG-2 |
| [18:02:15] | sphery: | VDPAU is a better solution for people who buy underpowered CPUs |
| [18:02:19] | Sagoniar: | haa .. perfect .. i only record mpeg2 streams ... |
| [18:02:29] | Sagoniar: | (if dvb-t is really mpeg2) .... ^^ |
| [18:02:30] | sphery: | but you'd need a VDPAU-compatible video card |
| [18:02:46] | sphery: | could be MPEG-2 or could be MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) |
| [18:02:55] | Sagoniar: | ok but vdpau is not possible for pci buses ... |
| [18:02:57] | coolblue: | is VDPAU not the preffered way over cpu decode? |
| [18:03:04] | sphery: | but XvMC puts more limitations on what can be done than it adds benefits |
| [18:03:08] | Sagoniar: | so i'm stuck to mpeg2 streams |
| [18:03:10] | sphery: | it's a big con with no real benefits |
| [18:03:30] | Sagoniar: | just for being clear .. does xvmc is useable with mpeg2 streams ? |
| [18:03:31] | sphery: | no, you have the opportunity to upgrade your system to a properly-chosen CPU :) |
| [18:03:36] | high-rez: | *I* prefer vdpau over cpu decode. :) I can do h264 interlaced hd on an intel atom with gpu decode. |
| [18:03:48] | ** high-rez loves his ion systems ** | |
| [18:03:52] | Sagoniar: | sphery => it's is a frontend for about 50 euros |
| [18:03:59] | Sagoniar: | i've got a backend/frontend with atom d330 |
| [18:04:08] | sphery: | or is it a paper weight for about 50 euros? |
| [18:04:11] | Sagoniar: | and a frontend with 1.6ghz mobile p4 |
| [18:04:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | hey high-rez – long time no see... ;-) |
| [18:04:31] | coolblue: | I have a mac mini with core2duo and nvivia 9400er with software decode (wihtout vdpau) I get frame/audio drops on hd content :-( |
| [18:04:32] | high-rez: | jeffa: I've been lurking:) |
| [18:04:39] | coolblue: | how much power is here needed? |
| [18:04:46] | sphery: | you can try to get xvmc to work, but IMHO, it's a waste of time |
| [18:04:55] | Sagoniar: | i don't use hd ... i really like cathodic feeling ^^ |
| [18:05:07] | sphery: | a better CPU or a VDPAU-compatible video card is cheaper when you factor in time/effort |
| [18:05:32] | Sagoniar: | i will give it a shot .. even if it is a waste of time, it will permit me to understand what it xvmc ^^ |
| [18:05:36] | sphery: | coolblue: depends on the video CODEC, resolution, bitrate |
| [18:06:09] | coolblue: | x264, 720o, bitrate don't show me myhttv or I don't know how can I see it |
| [18:06:17] | coolblue: | 720i.. not o |
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| [18:07:37] | sphery: | XvMC is simply a means of offloading inverse Discrete Cosine Transform (iDCT)--which are generally used for Motion Compensation in certain video CODECs--to the GPU. I.e. you push a little bit of math from the CPU to the GPU. It's a tiny bit of math, though, compared to what a modern processor can do. |
| [18:07:49] | sphery: | and, yes, I said a modern processor, so Atom doesn't qualify |
| [18:07:56] | sphery: | (it may be modern, but... ;) |
| [18:08:07] | Sagoniar: | thanks ofr the explanation |
| [18:08:07] | iamlindoro: | ie, not a tinker toy |
| [18:08:36] | sphery: | but nearly all video drivers in existence only support use of XvMC with MPEG-2. |
| [18:08:52] | Sagoniar: | so, it may work for my configuration |
| [18:09:04] | Sagoniar: | but not more than sd with dvb-t |
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| [18:09:30] | sphery: | you're right on the line for being able to do HDTV with XvMC. |
| [18:09:42] | Sagoniar: | ok |
| [18:09:50] | sphery: | but you should be able to do SDTV MPEG-2 on both of those processors without issue |
| [18:10:00] | Sagoniar: | perfect, it is my goal |
| [18:10:05] | sphery: | meaning that XvMC isn't really useful unless you're trying HDTV |
| [18:10:19] | sphery: | (should be able to do SDTV MPEG-2 without XvMC that is) |
| [18:10:44] | justinh: | ok amazon & itunes.. really sick of all your 'made famous by' crud |
| [18:11:06] | justinh: | sphery: nah, my epia m10k couldn't do SDTV mpeg2 in mythtv without xvmc |
| [18:11:22] | Sagoniar: | .. now i'm confused ... damn .. why did i don't stick to my chair when i was younger at English lessons ... ^^ |
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| [18:11:58] | sphery: | justinh: I thought he had a frontend with 1.6ghz mobile p4 and an backend/frontend with an atom d330 |
| [18:12:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: I had trouble with 720P HD (ATSC MPEG2 in the US) with a PIII 1Ghz with XVMC, so I doubt you'd have much success with that 800Mhz processor. |
| [18:12:17] | sphery: | if he has an EPIA system, then, what I said doesn't apply :) |
| [18:12:23] | justinh: | he was fishing for whether an 800mhz via CPU could do it |
| [18:12:37] | justinh: | but an 800Mhz athlon coped with SDTV mpeg2 just fine |
| [18:12:39] | sphery: | ah, yeah, different story |
| [18:12:55] | Sagoniar: | i've got a working frontend at 1.6 mobile p4 and a frontend/backend d330 |
| [18:13:05] | Sagoniar: | but tomorrow come at home an epia 800mhz |
| [18:13:16] | Sagoniar: | i hope that i can use it as a frontend for playing sd contents .. |
| [18:13:32] | Sagoniar: | if it don't work .. it will be transormed to a little nas or a wifi router |
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| [18:14:47] | iamlindoro: | Oof, people still bringing home EPIAs in 2010... sad |
| [18:15:15] | wagnerrp: | better to shuffle off to router duty |
| [18:15:26] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the throughput or expansion for a NAS |
| [18:15:41] | Sagoniar: | iamlindoro ... if it works, why not (but it seems that it won't^^) |
| [18:16:29] | iamlindoro: | BEcause they are more or less useless for modern versions of mythtv and any content of any quality |
| [18:16:34] | Sagoniar: | wagnerrp => with a pci slot i can transormt it to a raid 5 nas (ultra low performance) for handle security recording at work |
| [18:17:01] | justinh: | better to buy a *Dedicated* CCTV DVR ;-) |
| [18:17:17] | justinh: | police prefer digitall watermarked evidence |
| [18:17:19] | wagnerrp: | theres no worthwhile RAID cards that you can get to fit PCI |
| [18:17:23] | Sagoniar: | iamlindoro => but may be usefull for other things, i don't have only mythtv in mind ^^ |
| [18:17:30] | wagnerrp: | and you dont want to be running software RAID on an 800MHz Via |
| [18:17:32] | iamlindoro: | This is a MythTV channel ;) |
| [18:17:35] | Sagoniar: | wagnerrp => lvm |
| [18:17:36] | iamlindoro: | we talk about MythTv here ;) |
| [18:17:48] | Sagoniar: | iamlindoro => 1 point to you ^^ |
| [18:18:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: we do? ;-) hehehehe |
| [18:18:23] | wagnerrp: | i was talking about burning jesus earlier today |
| [18:18:26] | Sagoniar: | wagnerrp => i do raid 5 on powerpc 120mhz |
| [18:19:04] | Sagoniar: | but of course, it's not an arecca system with sas drives ^^ |
| [18:19:16] | wagnerrp: | mmm, it bears repeating..... http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100615/NEWS01/306150004/ |
| [18:19:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sagoniar: Sure, but you could also attempt to watch MPEG4 on your 800Mhz Via, it would play, but with about 1/2 second of video and a 4 second pause... ;-) |
| [18:19:51] | Sagoniar: | ^^ |
| [18:22:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: kerpow! |
| [18:22:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and probably fail pretty quickly with "Video Buffering failed too many times" |
| [18:23:16] | justinh: | I wish I still had my epia frontend board sometimes. we have a loose floorboard in the hall |
| [18:23:28] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks wagnerrp did that with his portable jumbo vandegraff generator. ** | |
| [18:23:52] | justinh: | Van Der POW generator more likes! |
| [18:24:03] | justinh: | viddypow |
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| [18:24:15] | wagnerrp: | nah, VDG doesnt put out enough power |
| [18:24:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, you hired those dudes from "America's got Talent" ... |
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| [18:25:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | "ArcAttack" |
| [18:25:53] | wagnerrp: | tesla coil might do it |
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| [18:26:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJyYhcZwb7E |
| [18:26:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah... theyve been around for several years |
| [18:27:09] | Sagoniar: | they are mad ..... i like this ^^ |
| [18:27:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee sphery – that video I posted has your favorite thing – a "Severe weather" alert on the top of the screen!!! |
| [18:28:43] | justinh: | wonder how many lawsuits have been brought from people living in trailer parks too busy watching teevees to notice the oncoming tornado |
| [18:28:58] | wagnerrp: | HAHA... too much EMI, it took out the lights at the top of the stage |
| [18:29:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I noticed that when watching it 'psudo-live'... ;-) |
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| [18:31:55] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: ugghhhh... I hate those |
| [18:33:12] | coolblue: | Is there a way to display the bitrate? |
| [18:43:33] | high-rez: | Any of you tried the bluray disk support stuff in 0.24 ? I haven't been able to get it work against a bluray ISO i ripped. |
| [18:45:55] | iamlindoro: | Are you trying to play an ISO, or a mounted structure? |
| [18:45:56] | GreyFoxx: | high: You decrypted it I assume ? (haven't tried it myself) |
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| [18:46:31] | high-rez: | GreyFoxx: Yes its decrypted. |
| [18:46:38] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Its an ISO, not a mounted structure. |
| [18:46:44] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't play ISOs |
| [18:46:49] | high-rez: | Aha ok |
| [18:47:06] | high-rez: | So do I just need to mount the disk structure and put it into my /movies directory ? |
| [18:47:27] | high-rez: | I noticed it was trying to treat the ISO as a DVD movie last night. |
| [18:48:10] | PeaceKeeper: | Mythtv have a builtin firewire channel changer? Or do I still use the contrib/ sa3250ch ? |
| [18:52:22] | justinh: | yes mythtv has its own firewire channel changer |
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| [18:53:28] | PeaceKeeper: | Nice. I am used to the sa3250ch script. Is that new on .23? |
| [18:53:51] | justinh: | don't think it's all that new |
| [18:53:58] | PeaceKeeper: | I am looking how to set it up on the wiki, but I dont see |
| [18:56:35] | PeaceKeeper: | Ahh, I think I found something on the mailing list. Thank you |
| [18:56:52] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, input setup, you set it as an external channel changer |
| [18:57:52] | PeaceKeeper: | Does that have to be recording firewire too? I mean can it change channels for a HD-PVR or PVR-150? |
| [18:58:30] | high-rez: | Hmm. I think its playing the movie. Pretty darned awesome. :) |
| [19:02:05] | sphery: | PeaceKeeper: MythTV can change the channel on internal tuners, not on external set-top-boxes (with the small exception of certain firewire-connected STBs) |
| [19:02:23] | sphery: | so if you use component or S-Video on your PVR-150, you need an external channel change script |
| [19:03:02] | PeaceKeeper: | sphery: Ok that is what i needed to know |
| [19:03:04] | PeaceKeeper: | thx :D |
| [19:03:59] | sphery: | and an HD-PVR will always need an external channel change script, TTBOMK |
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| [19:04:41] | high-rez: | Wow, that's prety awesome, i mounted the ISO rescanned, and its playing (i think, I'm remote – and x11vnc apparently doesn't do video : -) |
| [19:04:59] | PeaceKeeper: | i think I can use the sa3250ch and change the channel via firewire |
| [19:05:30] | PeaceKeeper: | For my hd-pvr |
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| [19:06:13] | sphery: | yeah, I just don't know if it's possible to use the internal firewire channel changer with the HD-PVR--I'd guess not, but don't want to make a definitive statement since I don't know |
| [19:06:32] | PeaceKeeper: | I will check it and let you know :D |
| [19:06:36] | sphery: | but an external program, like sa3250ch, will work just like an external script |
| [19:06:36] | PeaceKeeper: | thank you for the help |
| [19:07:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | high-rez: switch to NX. ;-) |
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| [19:08:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: Yes, I use a channel-change script with my HD-PVR and a Motorola QIP-7100 STB on Verizon FiOS. Check the 6200ch page on the wiki. |
| [19:08:54] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Firewire_Priming_Scripts + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts |
| [19:09:17] | high-rez: | jeffa: NX ? |
| [19:10:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | high-rez: Oh yeah, we went there before, didn't we – you're running a distribution that doesn't have an NX Server available for it... 'freenx' ;-) |
| [19:11:33] | high-rez: | oh |
| [19:11:35] | high-rez: | yeah prolly |
| [19:11:35] | high-rez: | :) |
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| [19:12:42] | high-rez: | jeffa: Yeah looks like neither my gentoo or ubuntu machine work with this super uber mad vnc replacement you're pushing. Sorry :) |
| [19:13:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | high-rez: Yeah, too bad. it' kicks butt on vnc. ;-) ^^ wait, should be available for ubuntu..... |
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| [19:14:28] | high-rez: | Man, so awesome – playing bluray on my intel atom :) |
| [19:14:33] | high-rez: | in linux no less. |
| [19:17:05] | GreyFoxx: | heh cool |
| [19:17:14] | GreyFoxx: | an ion or a regular atom ? |
| [19:17:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's awesome!!! ;-) |
| [19:17:19] | GreyFoxx: | I assume an ion |
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| [19:17:39] | high-rez: | GreyFoxx: Ion. ionitx. |
| [19:17:57] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [19:18:01] | high-rez: | Mind you I can't actually see it plahing cause I'm at work and its at home – but I'm p[retty sure it is. |
| [19:18:08] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [19:18:11] | high-rez: | http://pastebin.ca/1883777 |
| [19:18:21] | high-rez: | That's what the frontend says, and the HD shows 4megabytes/sec reads. |
| [19:20:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I've got a couple of my XFS disks down to about 50% fragmented, but the others are up at around 80%... and one of my drives just doesn't like xfs_db, causes a segfault... doh! But getting better than the high 90s for every drive! |
| [19:22:14] | kormoc: | wow |
| [19:22:23] | kormoc: | hopefully you'll see the performance go back up :) |
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| [19:23:17] | autojack: | are onboard nvidia GPUs good enough for HD playback, or should I just get a PCIE one? |
| [19:23:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: yeah... should I be concerned about the one drive that causes xfs_db's "frag" command to segfault? (I am running an old OS – FC8 – plan to upgrade/re-install soon... ;-) ) |
| [19:24:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | autojack: if you can give it 512MB ram, it will be sufficient. 256mb is not enough in most cases. |
| [19:24:46] | autojack: | ok, thanks, that's helpful :) |
| [19:25:11] | autojack: | considering upgrading my single core Celeron 2.1 system. |
| [19:25:21] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, personally, I'd migrate all the data off and re-format it, yeah |
| [19:25:24] | high-rez: | Ruh roh, playing the bluray movie this started to puke allover the screen: AudioOutput Error: WriteAudio: device is in a bad state (state = 1) |
| [19:25:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | autojack: As an example, I have an 8400GS PCIe card that's got 512MB that works great, but one with 256MB is crappy... |
| [19:25:52] | autojack: | got it. |
| [19:26:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | autojack: ie: i also have an 8400GS PCIe with just 256MB and it doesn't work very well at all... :-( |
| [19:26:10] | autojack: | would a GF 7025 be good enough or should I get an 8 series? |
| [19:26:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Not for VDPAU |
| [19:26:22] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: That error message has nothing to do with blu-ray playback |
| [19:26:40] | iamlindoro: | it is an audio output issue |
| [19:26:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | autojack: check out the wiki page for vdpau – must be an 8 series or better. |
| [19:26:48] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Hmm. Could it be the high bitrate of the audio exposing a problem with my audio hardware ? |
| [19:26:50] | autojack: | yep, looking at it now. |
| [19:26:54] | autojack: | I hadn't heard of VDPAU. |
| [19:26:58] | iamlindoro: | doubtful |
| [19:27:17] | high-rez: | Weirdness. :) OH well – I'll guess I'll actually get to see it when I get home. I stoked. :D |
| [19:28:00] | high-rez: | It seems that it started when my read IO went up (its not at 7/8 megabytes/sec) – maybe my HD isn't keeping up? |
| [19:28:38] | autojack: | is there any reason beyond religious arguments to choose AMD over Intel right now? |
| [19:28:41] | autojack: | ;) |
| [19:29:18] | high-rez: | If you choose the wrong one the terrorists win. |
| [19:29:22] | autojack: | haha |
| [19:29:31] | autojack: | I said beyond religious arguments :P |
| [19:29:33] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: You aren't even at home to see what is going on, perhaps best to put off troubleshooting until you've actually seen it? |
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| [19:29:49] | autojack: | this is sad, I've gotten old, I have no clue what's current in the PC hardware world. |
| [19:30:09] | autojack: | no idea what all these new processors are! |
| [19:30:14] | iamlindoro: | you say old, I say "a life" |
| [19:30:18] | autojack: | haha |
| [19:30:21] | autojack: | very true. |
| [19:30:30] | autojack: | probably more like "married." |
| [19:30:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | autojack: tell me about it – I was in Micro Center the other day and was 'floored' to see that they've got 6-core processors on the shelf... I wasn't even aware they were available!!! |
| [19:30:38] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: Perhaps I should. Perhaps I should. |
| [19:30:53] | autojack: | J-e-f-f-A: hah, I had that exact thought like 5 minutes ago looking at motherboards. |
| [19:31:02] | autojack: | damn kids... I used to have a 1.2 mhz processor! |
| [19:31:08] | autojack: | AND I WAS HAPPY TO HAVE THAT .2 MHZ |
| [19:31:59] | autojack: | man this one still has PS2 and VGA ports. |
| [19:32:01] | autojack: | old school |
| [19:32:24] | sphery: | heh, using ls instead of svn rm doesn't do the same thing |
| [19:32:34] | autojack: | not unless you symlink it. |
| [19:33:49] | autojack: | so it looks like there are no Intel micro ATX motherboards with onboard GF 8xxx cards. |
| [19:34:09] | at0m: | J-e-f-f-A: yea cores gallore... but dont try looking for pci stability like an 815 or BX chipset eh |
| [19:34:11] | autojack: | there are some with 9100 and 9300 but they're some manufacturer I never heard of. |
| [19:34:21] | autojack: | ah the BX chipset. |
| [19:34:30] | autojack: | I was remembering when I had an Abit BP-6 |
| [19:34:35] | autojack: | dual Celeron 500s!!! |
| [19:36:05] | autojack: | Zotac... never heard of these guys. |
| [19:36:47] | ebah: | I'm so lost using mythtv, is there a guide to help set it up on a laptop without a different backend? This is the only computer I have.. |
| [19:39:22] | high-rez: | I don't think a laptop is different than any other computer ? |
| [19:39:57] | autojack: | how would you do video capture? |
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| [19:40:05] | autojack: | are those USB capture thingies any good? |
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| [19:40:29] | ebah: | I don't really care about video capture, I'm hoping they are. I just bought one without any idea how to use it |
| [19:40:50] | ebah: | It's a usb-tuner. I just want to be able to watch tv |
| [19:41:14] | iamlindoro: | If all you want to do is watch live TV, MythTV is absolutely the wrong app for you |
| [19:41:38] | iamlindoro: | You should only undertake to install Myth if you want a powerful, flexibile DVR, meaning scheduling and execution of recordings |
| [19:41:53] | coolblue: | imalindoro: can you say why it is the wrong app? because of the instability? |
| [19:41:57] | ebah: | well, I wouldn't mind having dvr support. |
| [19:42:11] | ebah: | but if you can recomend something simple, I'm all ears |
| [19:42:20] | iamlindoro: | coolblue: the instability? Myth is perfectly stable |
| [19:42:45] | iamlindoro: | ebah: For simple TV viewing, Kaffeine for DVB, tvtime for basic analog framegrabbing |
| [19:43:04] | at0m: | coolblue: it's just bloat if you simply want to /watch/ tv |
| [19:43:11] | coolblue: | iamlindoro: not for me for livetv :-( at the last hour I'm looking live tv, and during this time I get two times a error and I go back to home |
| [19:43:28] | ebah: | I run gnome, so Kaffeine is out. It is a DVB tuner |
| [19:43:30] | iamlindoro: | coolblue: Misconfigurations and/or driver issues are not instabilities with MythTV |
| [19:43:45] | iamlindoro: | coolblue: and your personal experience with it is hardly a representation of everyone's |
| [19:45:08] | coolblue: | ianlindoro: I find it so hard to find the problems with hardware or driver or so and I don't understand why I can watch without problems in kaffeine but not in mythtv, its the same drinver and the same hardware, but other software |
| [19:45:48] | coolblue: | Is there no guide ot configure it correctly for dvb-s ? |
| [19:45:51] | iamlindoro: | coolblue: Again, your personal experience is not an expression of the overall stability of MythTV-- and I included potential misconfiguration |
| [19:46:54] | coolblue: | okey but where can I get help? When I do a fresh install of os an myth, how can I do here a misconfiguration, when I have not change any setting? |
| [19:47:33] | high-rez: | You really should look into a prepackaged myth distro... |
| [19:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Because installing myth is a complicated process, and many, many users misconfigure it |
| [19:47:45] | iamlindoro: | most, even |
| [19:48:21] | high-rez: | I misconfigure it daily. |
| [19:48:25] | coolblue: | hmmm.. I use ubuntu 10.04 LTS with the mythtv configuration app |
| [19:48:37] | high-rez: | I'm misconfiguring it right now. |
| [19:48:46] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [19:49:49] | coolblue: | and from mythbuntu the daily repository.. I have also tried mythbuntu directly, which I have the same problems with livetv |
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| [19:51:48] | justinh: | databases are not immovable objects. they can break ;-) |
| [19:51:50] | coolblue: | I'm not a Linux noob, and I wan't to learn more about mythtv, but in the last two weeks it was very annoying to me :-( |
| [19:52:30] | high-rez: | coolblue: Where are you at? Are you using dvb-s dvb-t dvb-c ? What are the problems that you're seeing ? |
| [19:53:18] | justinh: | from what I remember he tuned to a broken channel & it's messed things up |
| [19:53:42] | high-rez: | like it left his mysql db in a bad state ? |
| [19:53:52] | coolblue: | Germany, DVB-S (S2), problems on channel switch (no lock or half lock), livetv goes back to home and make different errors, or mythfrontent freezes completly on channel switch |
| [19:54:04] | justinh: | I think for live tv users, if there are any new settings added at all there should be one to *not* remember the last channel tuned |
| [19:54:05] | high-rez: | garbled EIT data? |
| [19:54:22] | coolblue: | I have to powerfull mac minis.. one for frontend.. one for backend.. so I hope this is enough power |
| [19:54:34] | justinh: | usb dvb-s2 tuner? eew |
| [19:54:46] | high-rez: | usb dvb-s2 is just fine. |
| [19:54:47] | coolblue: | yes technotrend s2 3600 |
| [19:54:58] | high-rez: | as long as you have an external PS to power your LNBs... |
| [19:54:59] | coolblue: | on german mythtv wiki it should work fine |
| [19:55:05] | justinh: | apart from the heavy cable pulling the thing out of the socket... yada yada |
| [19:55:28] | high-rez: | are you using a rotor (motor) ? |
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| [19:55:44] | justinh: | I wouldn't trust a USB tuner as far as I could throw one :) |
| [19:55:49] | high-rez: | What do you mean by half tuned? Is it able to lack to the transponder? Does it see the mpeg transport stream ? |
| [19:56:05] | high-rez: | I love my usb tuner. |
| [19:56:13] | coolblue: | only one LNB with Switch (Astra 19.2) |
| [19:56:38] | coolblue: | I see (LMs) and nothing happens… when I retune the same channel I get a LMS and get video and audio fine |
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| [19:56:51] | high-rez: | What does the backend log say ? |
| [19:56:56] | justinh: | I got one for development work & it behaved better than another PCI tuner but I still wouldn't trust it for 24/7 use |
| [19:57:04] | high-rez: | Are you sure the PID didn't move to another transponder ? |
| [19:57:54] | coolblue: | The bakcendlog says the same lines on LMs as of LMS, I can make a new log, but the problem is not always there |
| [19:58:21] | high-rez: | I don't remember the LMS thing so much in mytgh – but I thought L meant a lock onto the transponder M was transport stream and s (is it s?) is probably for the SID/PID? |
| [19:58:43] | high-rez: | I found a doucment a long time ago that said which was which :) |
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| [19:58:51] | high-rez: | coolblue: Is it always with the same channel ?? |
| [19:59:04] | coolblue: | high-rez: what do you mean with PID didn't move... |
| [19:59:12] | coolblue: | no its on different channels |
| [19:59:26] | justinh: | coolblue: Program ID. they move from time to time |
| [19:59:32] | coolblue: | but I have seen that it is more often when I switch from a HD channel to a SD channel |
| [19:59:35] | justinh: | they change, get rearranged... |
| [19:59:50] | high-rez: | One of the problems people see (i think justinh aluded to this) is that myth will remember the last channel you tuned. so if the last channel you tuned got moved to a different transponder, then well life sucks. |
| [19:59:58] | coolblue: | how ofen? per minute, per hour or per day? |
| [20:00:15] | high-rez: | coolblue: no, not even on that time scale. |
| [20:00:32] | high-rez: | I don't know anyhting about 19.2 – but I guess they don't swap stuff around more than every couple of weeks if that even. |
| [20:00:39] | coolblue: | so here is an actually problem, rigth now |
| [20:00:42] | high-rez: | justinh: Do you know what the s means ? |
| [20:00:49] | coolblue: | back to menu "video frame buffering fialed too many times" |
| [20:01:18] | coolblue: | frontend log sayes unkown audio decoding error and the follwing lines: 2010-06–15 22:00:19.614 NVP(2): Prebuffer wait timed out 90 times. |
| [20:01:18] | high-rez: | coolblue: Probably becase the backend couldn't lock onto the bird, or didn't find the PID on the transponder it locked onto. |
| [20:01:18] | coolblue: | 2010-06–15 22:00:21.216 NVP(2): Prebuffer wait timed out 100 times. |
| [20:01:18] | coolblue: | 2010-06–15 22:00:21.216 NVP(2), Error: Timed out waiting for prebuffering too long. Exiting.. |
| [20:01:18] | coolblue: | 2010-06–15 22:00:21.274 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [20:01:21] | high-rez: | (would be my guess) |
| [20:01:33] | high-rez: | That's great – but what does the backend say ? |
| [20:01:57] | coolblue: | 2010-06–15 22:00:22.114 TVRec(12): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [20:01:58] | coolblue: | 2010-06–15 22:00:22.656 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '30673_20100615220021.mpg' |
| [20:01:58] | coolblue: | 2010-06–15 22:00:22.658 Finished recording Unknown: channel 30673 |
| [20:02:16] | coolblue: | all other messages are "normal" |
| [20:03:35] | high-rez: | Why don't you pastebin more content than that |
| [20:03:40] | coolblue: | I use gigabit ethernet an nfsv4 to mount it on the client.. |
| [20:03:46] | high-rez: | Because thats probably right before the error. |
| [20:03:46] | coolblue: | I will do it |
| [20:03:56] | high-rez: | Before it decided to give up |
| [20:04:15] | coolblue: | http://pastebin.com/iF2b9fKJ |
| [20:04:33] | coolblue: | error was on 2010-06–15 22:00:22 |
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| [20:04:58] | high-rez: | # |
| [20:05:00] | high-rez: | 2010-06–15 22:01:23.090 DVBChan(12:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Unsupported modulation parameter. |
| [20:05:01] | high-rez: | boom |
| [20:05:21] | high-rez: | Looks like your dtv_multiplex table has a trasponder or two that are misconfigured. |
| [20:05:23] | coolblue: | This message is also there when I have no problems! |
| [20:05:25] | high-rez: | I think you need to set mod_sys |
| [20:05:42] | coolblue: | mod_sys? |
| [20:06:28] | high-rez: | I think. Someone can step up and correct me if I'm off base. |
| [20:07:01] | coolblue: | Can someone explain meh the unsupported modulation parameter? |
| [20:07:15] | high-rez: | What version of myth are you running out of curiosity ? |
| [20:08:04] | justinh: | using 'auto' when the driver & API doesn't support it |
| [20:08:06] | high-rez: | I'm wondering if you're caught up in the s2 thrash that happened. |
| [20:08:21] | coolblue: | 0.23-fixes 25073 |
| [20:08:27] | high-rez: | justinh: Sounds like he just needs to do a quick update on his transponders... |
| [20:10:04] | high-rez: | coolblue: can you connect to your mysql database and do a select modulation, mod_sys, constellation from dtv_multiplex and pastebin it ? |
| [20:10:18] | coolblue: | yes |
| [20:11:18] | coolblue: | http://pastebin.com/MSkvNPHQ |
| [20:12:42] | high-rez: | coolblue: wow that sucks, a lot of your transponders appear to be misconfigured |
| [20:12:58] | coolblue: | ups |
| [20:13:25] | coolblue: | How can correct this? |
| [20:13:44] | high-rez: | Manually :/ |
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| [20:14:29] | coolblue: | okey I would do it.. but where I get the correct information? |
| [20:14:41] | high-rez: | I would do something like 'select mod_sys, modulation, constellation, sistandard, transportid, frequency, polarity from dtv_multiplex;' then compare it with the result for 19.2 from lyngsat.com |
| [20:15:24] | high-rez: | And while this may be a pain, hey feel lucky at least you have *real* dvb-s where you live. :) |
| [20:15:51] | coolblue: | hehe :-) |
| [20:16:29] | coolblue: | but we lacks on dvb-s2 :-(… there are only a few free channels.. the rest have basic encryption for some money per year |
| [20:17:01] | high-rez: | Do you have a Common Interface availalbe for the provider ? |
| [20:18:19] | coolblue: | maybe.. its very new.. I haven't any time to look for this.. I have read in other hacking forums, that cardsharing will work with this new CI+ Card… we will see.. when I have time |
| [20:19:08] | high-rez: | I don't care about CS – just curious if its avaialble as a real legit CI interface. |
| [20:20:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolblue: yeah, CS is not to be discussed in this channel btw... |
| [20:21:04] | coolblue: | okey sorry |
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| [20:36:59] | justinh: | bring on teh autoban :D |
| [20:37:30] | high-rez: | autobahn – wasn't that the band that Bunny Lebowski's exbf was in? |
| [20:38:07] | coolblue: | autobahn? |
| [20:38:16] | coolblue: | this is the german word for highway |
| [20:38:33] | coolblue: | oh no sorry |
| [20:38:37] | coolblue: | interstate |
| [20:38:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Is there any reason for me to avoid FC13 when I upgrade my backend in a few days, or should I do FC12 instead? |
| [20:39:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolblue: I think he means it's time to leave work... ;-) |
| [20:39:23] | high-rez: | No, you're wrong. Autobahn was the german band that Bunny Lebowski's exbf was in. |
| [20:39:29] | high-rez: | He was a nihlist and that was exhausting. |
| [20:39:39] | high-rez: | Get it right. |
| [20:39:43] | autojack: | "Nice marmot." |
| [20:39:45] | justinh: | no I mean it's time to automagically kick & ban people who mention forbidden topics :) |
| [20:39:47] | coolblue: | i don't know it |
| [20:39:52] | justinh: | bzzzzzzzzzzt! |
| [20:40:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Oh... duh... yeah. |
| [20:40:13] | high-rez: | that what it means ? |
| [20:40:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs... ** | |
| [20:40:44] | autojack: | what's card sharing? like satellite TV cards? |
| [20:41:34] | autojack: | ahhh, Google told me. |
| [20:44:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Ya know, it would be neat if that could be implemented into our bot... 1st offense – warning – 2nd offense, a soft kick, 3rd offense, ban... ;-) |
| [20:44:48] | iamlindoro: | too permissive |
| [20:44:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | It might be difficult getting an accurate detection algorithm setup though – just looking for key words may not work that well... ;-) |
| [20:44:54] | high-rez: | Just to be clear, CI isn't forbidden right? I understand things like CS would be – but CI shouldn't be. |
| [20:45:03] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: correct |
| [20:45:21] | iamlindoro: | discussion of hardware CAMs is a-ok |
| [20:46:56] | tzanger: | I'd love to get a nice dual/quad DVB-S2 PCIe with a real CI interface.. too bad my sat provider won't give me a card without it being married to the IRD already |
| [20:47:31] | autojack: | dual core Athlon 2.8 GHz: good enough for HD playback? |
| [20:47:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Do you record any 'sd' stuff via your HD-PVRs? In my case, some channels aren't HD, so they are output in 480i, and the SD channels aren't as clear as when I had Dish... :-( |
| [20:47:42] | autojack: | (Athlon II X2 240) |
| [20:47:55] | justinh: | autojack: mpeg2 yes. h.264... mmmmmmmmmmmmaybe not |
| [20:48:16] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't regularly record SD with the HD-PVRs (or SD period), but I have not notd any issue in doing so in the past |
| [20:48:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | autojack: Depends on the HD material... MPEG2? MPEG4? h.264? ^^ oops, justin beat me. |
| [20:48:22] | autojack: | this will be broadcast HD, so I think that's all/mostly mpeg2 right? |
| [20:49:15] | high-rez: | tzanger: That's the situation in the US :/ |
| [20:50:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: It just seems to be a much lower resolution than dish's SD... I'll have to connect a 'real' TV to the STB and see if it's clearer... |
| [20:50:08] | justinh: | high-rez: and the UK |
| [20:50:20] | justinh: | autojack: where? |
| [20:50:43] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: The HD-PVR is incapable of resizing, so it's whatever your box is putting out |
| [20:50:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | US according to his whois. ;-) |
| [20:51:15] | autojack: | justinh: USA. |
| [20:51:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Right... If that's the case, then FiOS SD looks like *bleep* compared to Dish SD... But HD is STUNNING! |
| [20:52:07] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Something sounds fishy about that, since FIOS is the *only* service which doesn't re-transcode material before broadcast |
| [20:52:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: yeah, I'll have to plug in the LCD direct to the STB and check it out... |
| [20:52:50] | justinh: | autojack: so yeah mpeg2 |
| [20:53:13] | autojack: | ok, thanks :) |
| [20:53:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: The only other thing I was thinking is that it could be settings for the HD-PVR quality, but HD looks stunning, it's just SD that looks horrible... Just like it's out of focus. |
| [20:53:54] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: HD-PVr bitrates vary by resolution |
| [20:53:56] | high-rez: | justinh: no kiddin? I thoguht freesat was FTA. |
| [20:54:27] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: ie, the recording profiles for HD-PVR have a slider for each resolution |
| [20:54:37] | autojack: | is it worth it to get DDR 1066 memory over 800? |
| [20:55:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ah, ok, that's probably it. I'll check that out as soon as I get home. ;-) |
| [20:56:09] | justinh: | high-rez: freesat is mostly FTA but the pay TV channels are off limits |
| [20:57:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Let's put it this way... I was running my PVR-500 at 400x480, at a 'moderate' bitrate with Dish, and this looks WORSE!!! I think I can 'afford' the disk space to push it up to look as good as the original source... ;-) |
| [20:57:41] | autojack: | 800 and 1066 cost basically the same so nevermind. |
| [20:57:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: thanks. ;-) |
| [20:57:47] | iamlindoro: | np, hope that's it |
| [20:57:57] | marc_us: | The lower rez recordings default at a lower bit rate |
| [20:58:10] | marc_us: | you can bump them up for quite an improvement |
| [20:59:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: Good to know. ;-) I guess I should have dug a little deeper. hehehe... |
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| [21:01:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was (and still am) really impressed with the quality of the MPEG2 encoding of the Haupauge PVR-xxx cards though... even at 400x480 at a moderate bit rate, the quality was quite good! (For SD that is!) |
| [21:01:50] | autojack: | OK, I spec'd out a new system. micro atx MB with onboard GF 8200, 2x1GB RAM, Athlon X2 dual core 2.8 ghz processor. sound good? |
| [21:01:55] | marc_us: | even on my pvr 150s I bump to 720X480 at 5 mbs average and 7 mbs tops |
| [21:02:13] | marc_us: | just looks cleaner and wastes space |
| [21:02:21] | autojack: | $164 plus tax and shipping. |
| [21:02:49] | marc_us: | but I have space to burn until I trancode to xvid later |
| [21:03:26] | justinh: | disk space has never been cheaper |
| [21:03:38] | justinh: | and TV has never been so disposable :) |
| [21:04:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc_us: I've got space too... but had recorded at 400x480 for the 'watch once and throw away' stuff... any movies, etc, I would record in my 'high-quality' profile which was 720x480. ;-) |
| [21:04:13] | marc_us: | Yes, as my capacity to record more happens, there is less worth recording |
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| [21:09:10] | dustybin: | justinh: the jogglers are prone to over heating :( |
| [21:09:21] | dustybin: | design flaw :( |
| [21:09:49] | justinh: | !trout dustybin |
| [21:09:49] | ** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [21:10:01] | justinh: | I need a script to do that |
| [21:10:12] | iamlindoro: | it's not a design flaw when you run an unintended OS doing unintended video decode on it |
| [21:10:33] | iamlindoro: | ie, if it works with the software they shipped, it's not a flaw |
| [21:10:48] | justinh: | joggler owners are prone to having expectations which are way too high when it comes to running something outside its design parameters |
| [21:11:16] | justinh: | me, I reckon mine will make an excellent control interface for my squeeze server :D |
| [21:11:17] | GreyFoxx: | wtf is a joggler |
| [21:11:20] | ** GreyFoxx goes to google ** | |
| [21:11:24] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: oh you'd LOVE it |
| [21:11:47] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: dual core atom, 7" wide touchscreen.. wireless.. usb.. runs linux with very little tweaking.. £50 |
| [21:11:55] | justinh: | and no longer on sale – only found on ebay now |
| [21:12:11] | GreyFoxx: | oooh..... I actually would have a lot of uses for that |
| [21:12:33] | sid3windr: | yeah apparently |
| [21:12:36] | sid3windr: | no longer on sale :( |
| [21:12:39] | sid3windr: | GreyFoxx: yeah same here |
| [21:12:49] | justinh: | there's literally *nothing* in the embedded marketplace even comes close |
| [21:12:50] | GreyFoxx: | Probably working on the Jogglerv2 |
| [21:13:05] | justinh: | I doubt it. think they gave up. it'd been around a long while |
| [21:13:24] | GreyFoxx: | My only problem with my N810 is the poor CPU, this would care of that and give me usb .... hrm |
| [21:13:25] | justinh: | tempted to see how much openframe would sell the hardware for |
| [21:13:42] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: oh and very much tied to a power supply |
| [21:13:50] | GreyFoxx: | wonder if I can get one in North america without stupid shipping rates |
| [21:14:02] | GreyFoxx: | OH,,,, no rechargable battery? Forget that then :) |
| [21:14:12] | justinh: | there's the only snag |
| [21:14:28] | GreyFoxx: | of course the pictures don't know a cord heh |
| [21:15:06] | justinh: | dustybin: anyway, nothing a bit of creative heatsinking can't solve.. for the clued |
| [21:15:35] | dustybin: | justinh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8Ka7rNvnU |
| [21:16:01] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: i am using slackware 13.1 now! |
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| [21:16:22] | GreyFoxx: | just: Might make a nifty car PC. and cheap |
| [21:16:46] | justinh: | nimbling. what an idiot |
| [21:16:52] | justinh: | nibbling |
| [21:17:03] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: great if you can get em. I wish I'd bought more than 2 |
| [21:17:05] | sphery: | So considering splitting up UI themes. We could have a Main Menu UI theme (as differs from the Menu theme), and then a Watch Recordings UI theme, and a Schedule Recordings UI theme, and a Program Guide UI theme (as well as a separate Program Guide OSD theme, of course), as well as a UI theme for each plugin. |
| [21:17:20] | sphery: | Would that be enough configurability for users, or should we just do a separate theme for each screen? |
| [21:17:27] | justinh: | also wish I'd not split the 2 with a work colleauge |
| [21:17:37] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, I might still look for one if I can get it here in NA..... definiately for a car PC/gps/war driving PC :) |
| [21:17:45] | justinh: | sphery: sounds like hell from hell |
| [21:17:50] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:18:07] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: im currently working on a slackware install, have you heard of AlienBOB ? |
| [21:18:29] | GreyFoxx: | personaly I agree with the OSD theme being a seperate choice than the main theme |
| [21:18:31] | justinh: | all this work going towards a greatly integrated interface... and then to give users the chance to bodge it all up by mixing & matching? eew |
| [21:18:40] | GreyFoxx: | I might LOVE a menu theme but hate their associated OSD |
| [21:18:50] | justinh: | I'm with greyfoxx on the OSD theme but nothing else |
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| [21:20:12] | dustybin: | justinh: im considering getting one of these for my joggler: http://www.amazon.co.uk/External-Drive-Portab . . . p/B002XGWZVQ |
| [21:20:17] | dustybin: | i hate flash drives |
| [21:20:30] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Why do you keep addressing him? He cannot stand you and does not want to speak with you |
| [21:20:34] | justinh: | I know it's a lot of work if a user isn't happy with one part of a theme but loves another theme's layout of a particular screen.. but to my mind the phrase "tough t***y" springs forth :) |
| [21:21:01] | dustybin: | :( |
| [21:21:05] | GreyFoxx: | dust: Nope, AlienBOB doesn't ring any bells |
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| [21:22:26] | ** GreyFoxx queues up a bunch more LoU construction ** | |
| [21:22:28] | justinh: | and please do not post anymore links to youtube videos shot with wobblevision cameras that have jelly lenses |
| [21:23:02] | justinh: | somebody should *ban* all these blimmin useless 'HD' CMOS cameras with rolling line output |
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| [21:32:33] | gusto: | hi |
| [21:32:43] | gusto: | does mythtv support pulse audio out? |
| [21:33:16] | jams: | no |
| [21:33:55] | dustybin: | i wish all you guys were not in this channel sometimes, then i could discuss other computer related stuff |
| [21:34:30] | dustybin: | #mythtv-offtopic :D |
| [21:34:53] | gusto: | ok |
| [21:35:04] | gusto: | so how am i supposed to hear something? |
| [21:35:14] | justinh: | get rid of pulseaudio |
| [21:35:20] | justinh: | like all distros should |
| [21:35:28] | sphery: | gusto: there is work being done in trunk to better allow its use. In 0.23-fixes and below, it will cause issues because the Pulse Audio layer is not designed for low-latency audio (as is required to keep audio and video in sync). |
| [21:35:29] | gusto: | ?? |
| [21:35:47] | sphery: | your best bet for MythTV, though, is to get rid of pulse audio |
| [21:36:02] | sphery: | since the main benefit of pulse audio--network audio--doesn't apply to MythTV |
| [21:36:13] | gusto: | hm |
| [21:36:29] | sphery: | and don't say anything abuot "automatically switch to my bluetooth headset" (since you can do that without Pulse :) |
| [21:36:52] | gusto: | however |
| [21:37:19] | gusto: | what does mythtv use for audio output then? |
| [21:37:43] | justinh: | asla, generally |
| [21:37:48] | gusto: | asla |
| [21:37:49] | justinh: | er alsa, even |
| [21:37:53] | gusto: | alsa :-) |
| [21:37:57] | gusto: | yes |
| [21:38:02] | gusto: | there is a pulse emulation |
| [21:38:06] | justinh: | anybody who'd read the docs would know that |
| [21:38:09] | gusto: | so it should work, right? |
| [21:38:31] | jams: | gusto- there are only two base audio systems OSS and alsa. All other sound servers including pulseaudio, make use of one of those two. |
| [21:38:37] | gusto: | has anybody DVB-S2 working on mythtv? |
| [21:38:58] | high-rez: | gusto: Yes, some people have DVB-S2 working with myth. |
| [21:39:04] | gusto: | hm |
| [21:39:05] | gusto: | lets see |
| [21:39:14] | gusto: | i am installing it now |
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| [21:39:36] | gusto: | and what does it use for video output? xine? |
| [21:39:59] | gusto: | because i saw that there is a xine-lib dependency |
| [21:40:51] | jams: | gusto- it is it's own video player. xine/mplayer are not used by the core product |
| [21:41:58] | high-rez: | Yes, no need for xine/mplayer/etc. |
| [21:42:59] | gusto: | why does he try to connect to a mysql database? is it possible to disable that? |
| [21:44:20] | jams: | nope, thats where it keeps all the configuration and metadata and other stuff it needs to run. |
| [21:45:22] | gusto: | ok |
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| [21:46:02] | jams: | alrighty then |
| [21:48:23] | sphery: | justinh: How's this for a first implementation: http://imagebin.ca/view/wM5zw3TO.html . I think 11/page works well--keeps it to only 37 pages versus over 40 at 10/page--and it seems usable even at 800x600 square ( http://imagebin.ca/view/7KFvjW.html ). Let me know if you want to see screen caps of the other 36 pages. |
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| [22:55:52] | jya: | sphery: yes please, I'd like to see screen captures of the other 36 pages.. |
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| [22:56:15] | jya: | and of the 40 at 10/page too, to compare... |
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| [22:59:54] | skd5aner: | sphery, what were you thinking when you submitted ticket #8565, I told you iamlindoro wouldn't like it |
| [23:05:00] | sphery: | jya: heh, I didn't think anyone would call my bluff... ;) |
| [23:05:44] | sphery: | skd5aner: I thought it was perfectly understandable. It seems submitting a something while a ticket causes iamlindoro to disagree. |
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| [23:06:54] | skd5aner: | lol, nice |
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| [23:28:16] | skd5aner: | how about a quick patch for myth? ;) http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/sim . . . vuzela-whine |
| [23:28:27] | skd5aner: | JYA? ;) |
| [23:29:21] | jya: | wrong link... |
| [23:32:28] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [23:33:58] | skd5aner: | actually, it's the correct link. Watching world cup with those vuvuzela's is madening... would be cool to EQ them out :) |
| [23:34:13] | skd5aner: | but, I'm joking – I know that's a pretty big feature request without a patch |
| [23:34:22] | jya: | I get a page not found |
| [23:34:55] | skd5aner: | hmmm.... works for me... try this one http://lifehacker.com/5564085/how-to-silence- . . . true&s=i |
| [23:35:04] | jya: | "OOps we're terribly sorry, the page you are looking for cannot be found" |
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| [23:35:26] | jya: | that's a cool idea.. |
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| [23:35:46] | jya: | amazing those horns, it sounds like you're next to a wasps nest |
| [23:35:53] | jya: | and it never stops.. |
| [23:36:07] | skd5aner: | although his freqs are a bit different... this is what that popsci article says: "The horn drones, apparently, at 233 Hz, with harmonic overtones at 466 Hz, 932 Hz, and 1864 Hz." |
| [23:36:37] | skd5aner: | yea, NEVER |
| [23:37:02] | skd5aner: | I'm not even a soccer fan, but my wife is... and even she was like "this is a bit rediculous" |
| [23:37:08] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the problem is its only approximately at that frequency |
| [23:37:28] | wagnerrp: | if youre good with a trumpet, you can maintain that |
| [23:37:38] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: listen to that video... it shows with/without the fequency block... |
| [23:37:40] | wagnerrp: | but these people are not trained, so they warble |
| [23:37:53] | jya: | wagnerrp: you don't need to be good to play the vuvuzela :) |
| [23:37:58] | jya: | you just press the button |
| [23:38:00] | skd5aner: | blocks it out really dang well |
| [23:38:09] | wagnerrp: | jya: some sort of country filter? those pages work fine for me |
| [23:38:14] | high-rez: | Man, I heard someone from SA talking about these stupid horns this morning on NPR or BBC or something like that. Something about being proud of the most annoying worldcup ever. |
| [23:38:28] | jya: | 2nd link works fine, 1st link gave me a 404-like |
| [23:38:55] | jya: | was listening to the news, on how all the shops ran out of the |
| [23:38:57] | jya: | m |
| [23:39:01] | skd5aner: | jya: hmmm, not sure :( Try one more link jya, it has a link in the body, maybe that'll get you there too? http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010 . . . loser-source |
| [23:39:05] | jya: | hopefully, as time pass, it stops |
| [23:39:22] | jya: | same |
| [23:39:28] | skd5aner: | hmm, you in US? |
| [23:39:48] | jya: | "Nothing found for Technology Article 2010–06 Broadcaster-now-blocking-vuvuzela-blare-closer-source" |
| [23:39:57] | jya: | Oz |
| [23:40:03] | skd5aner: | wondering if they block it outside of US? |
| [23:40:10] | skd5aner: | not sure :( |
| [23:40:52] | wagnerrp: | they certainly can... its a question of whether they actually do |
| [23:40:54] | jya: | that could be a good project for today :P .... but there's nothing currently regarding applying filters on the audio output... could be big |
| [23:41:13] | wagnerrp: | all the current filter support is video only? |
| [23:42:43] | wagnerrp: | 'unfortunately i live in bloemfontein, south africa, about 1.5km from the stadium and i cannot filter out the incessant noise heard from the stadium' |
| [23:42:49] | skd5aner: | jya: heh, well... I figured it sounded cool either way, and you'd probably be a hero to a lot of myth users who like watching the world cup, but obviously time would be of the essence and probably difficult to write support for it |
| [23:42:50] | jya: | I was looking at the audio side of things only |
| [23:43:01] | wagnerrp: | man... could you imagine the lawsuits if we hosted the world cup over here? |
| [23:43:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I know the french were complaining that they can't even sleep because people are playing it outside of their hotel all the time |
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| [23:43:47] | AndyCap: | one could just shoot the infected carriers on sight |
| [23:44:02] | skd5aner: | AndyCap: I think you want #ebola |
| [23:44:04] | AndyCap: | jya: http://fetzig.org/2010/06/13/vuvuzela-filter-using-fedora/ |
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| [23:44:29] | jya: | jack: will make ed W happy :) |
| [23:45:21] | AndyCap: | skd5aner: nah, I want #fifa |
| [23:45:25] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [23:45:27] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [23:46:14] | skd5aner: | jya, AndyCap: here's another – http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2010/06/14/vu . . . help-needed/ |
| [23:46:34] | jya: | AndyCap: that's a good one, show which frequency to filter... |
| [23:47:25] | skd5aner: | jya – that's what that popsci article did, and I also posted them – The horn drones, apparently, at 233 Hz, with harmonic overtones at 466 Hz, 932 Hz, and 1864 Hz. |
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| [23:54:52] | wagnerrp: | that really does sound like a wasps nest |
| [23:55:19] | skd5aner: | yea... for 90 minutes |
| [23:56:03] | jya: | I kind of get used to it after a while... |
| [23:56:21] | jya: | but it is annoying when someone mentions them, and you then focus on that sound |
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