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Saturday, June 12th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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edman007:

anyone got the blaster working with the HD PVR and a 2.6.35 kernel? I'm trying to build lirc to support it and I'm having some problems getting lirc to build, what drivers do I need to get the blaster working?

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: I don't appear to get many of the local channels in HD over clear QAM... mostly just local cable channels... :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: So I've left my to HDHR's on the rooftop antenna for ATSC...

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piper69:

why if i played a video inside mythtv it stutter, but if i played the same move from VLC out side Mythtv it play just fine?

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wagnerrp:

what is this video? what is your processor?

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piper69:

*avi *rmvb and all mpeg , processor is AMD 64 Athlon X2

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piper69:

but i can watch all the recorded from myth just fine

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piper69:

oh and when i play my avi and other movies the audio is out of sync sometimes

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wagnerrp:

avi is a container, mpeg is a container, and rmvb is garbage

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wagnerrp:

also, you just gave me a processor line, not what your processor is

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wagnerrp:

i need codecs, bitrates, ...

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piper69:

wagnerrp: how can i get that info please

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wagnerrp:

is this HD or SD? what processor do you have?

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piper69:

Athlon AMD 64? i don't know what HD or SD sorry

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wagnerrp:

what processor, youre just giving me the family

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wagnerrp:

if you dont know that, whats the clock rate?

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piper69:

whats the command

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wagnerrp:

you dont know what processor you have in your computer?

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piper69:

http://pastebin.com/VhU7Fkfg

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wagnerrp:

and your video... high definition or standard definition?

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piper69:

wagnerrp: Hauppage-WinTV HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

so... youre recording HD MPEG2 from your local broadcasters?

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wagnerrp:

at full speed, your processor should have no trouble

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wagnerrp:

but if youre stuck at 1GHz as was reported by that pastebin, you will not be able to decode in real time

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piper69:

that still doesn't make sense to me sorry...

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piper69:

my question was : avi video play fine in VLC but stutter in mythtv why?

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wagnerrp:

you wont be getting anything avi from that card

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wagnerrp:

and saying something is an avi doesnt tell me anything

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wagnerrp:

its just a container

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wagnerrp:

says nothing about the content inside

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ablyss:

in the settings options for video playback there is a settings for total number of cpus. In my case I have a dual core.. is there any reason I should stick w/ 1 cpu? Would mythtv ever use that much cpu when video is being played?

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ablyss:

piper69: mythtv profiles are probably set to something other than high quality

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piper69:

wagnerrp: it have nothing to do with that card

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** piper69 think **

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piper69:

the avi is in the hdd, my TV is connected the mythbox thru VGA

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tweek__:

two weeks later and I still get random audio hiccups (basically corrupt data in the MPEG data) on digital ATSC channels

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tweek__:

tried all sorts of stuff. any ideas?

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ablyss:

bleeps and burps?

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tweek__:

mplayer says stuff like [mpeg2video @ 0xabcdef]ac-tex damaged, [ac3 @ 0xfedcba]frame CRC mismatch

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ablyss:

i get bleeps and burps when the reception is low.. really annoying

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tweek__:

sounds like slight buzzing for about a tenth of a second. it's audible but not crippling

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ablyss:

yeah

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tweek__:

works fine in Win7 MC

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tweek__:

and it's only audio, video rarely if ever shows any signs of corruption

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ablyss:

adjusting the antenna to point toward the tower is given, and highest point of your house

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tweek__:

I'm using cable, which uses NTSC/ATSC

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ablyss:

sticking it in the attic works for me but I have a very big attic

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tweek__:

tuner is a Hauppauge HVR-1600

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ablyss:

me too hvr 1600

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tweek__:

latest Mercurial revision? (had to go through hell to get it merged with the kernel, which is necessary to get it installed as a new kernel and not replace the existing one)

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ablyss:

3 tuners analog, ATSC, and clear QAM passed to the s-video input

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tweek__:

Nvidia card?

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ablyss:

yeah nvidia

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tweek__:

probably crashes from time to time?

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ablyss:

never

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tweek__:

(when using VDPAU)

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ablyss:

i don't use the latest mercurial

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tweek__:

the wiki suggests it will fix these problems. it lies

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tweek__:

or maybe the guy who wrote that used a different revision

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ablyss:

i love my setup. i've been a happy subscriber for the past 2 years

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ablyss:

analog channels 1 – 99 with schedule direct guide info, ATSC local channels w/ schedule direct info and samsung qam/clear qam digital tuner to pass G4 to the s-video ( also gets guide info from schedule direct )

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tweek__:

with digital cable, I only get a few channels in HD

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ablyss:

i have to use the remote hack to get my remote to work but other than that i love it

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Bhaal:

Anyone able to tell me why mythvideo 0.23 doesnt remembers my last position like previous versions?

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Bhaal:

ie: last dir/file I was in

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tweek__:

be glad mythvideo 0.23 detects any of your media

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Bhaal:

huh?

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tweek__:

or maybe mine's misconfigured somehow

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Bhaal:

by media you mean storage media? or actual files?

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ablyss:

wish i could help out .... my knowledge base limited

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ablyss:

my brain is also sloshed ( need more coffee)

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Bhaal:

Ive got a back and front end, both working fine, the only thing that is annoying me is the fact it doesnt remember what file I was last watching...

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ablyss:

the mythweb remote control keyboard is amazing..

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Bhaal:

Hrm, does the backend or frontend need mythweb?

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ablyss:

just the backend

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ablyss:

more or less the database.. i doubt mythweb care about anything else

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ablyss:

database is kind of like the brains.. its sends and receives all the info

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ablyss:

Correction, The remote keyboard part you can actually control the frontend, thus would require a frontend too

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Bhaal:

Hrm, will it stream live TV?

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Bhaal:

mythweb I mean, I cannot see an option, but i guess, start a show recording and then watch it...

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GreyFoxx:

No it will not

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Bhaal:

np

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GreyFoxx:

there is nothing written in thre at this time to do that

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Bhaal:

All good though...

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Bhaal:

I just need to update my workstation at work to 10.04 ...

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Bhaal:

Then I can watch live tv from home...

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tweek__:

kernel panic while trying to play HD stuff in mythfrontend.

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iamlindoro:

sentence fragment

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iamlindoro:

kernel panic indicates memory or other hardware problems, or driver problems

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iamlindoro:

not directly myth related

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tweek__:

understood, still annoying

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tweek__:

any idea what to do for ATSC playback without corrupted MPEG data sent by the driver / device, which causes stuttering?

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tweek__:

or any more cute two-word insults to throw out? I'll take anything at this point

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iamlindoro:

nobody insulted you, for crying out loud

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iamlindoro:

If the data is corrupt, there's not much you can do about it

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iamlindoro:

Outside of getting better hardware or working to improve the signal quality/lower error

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tweek__:

right, there's a problem with the driver. so I've gotta do something about that

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iamlindoro:

that would definitely be the most productive way of solving it, yes

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tweek__:

signal quality is fine, I use this same computer to record high-def material with WM7

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tweek__:

I could take off the splitter, see if that helps, but if I get kicked out again it's probably another VDPAU-related kernel panic

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tweek__:

nope. audio skips happen at about the same frequency

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piper69:

mythtv profiles are probably set to something other than high quality? what does this mean please

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wagnerrp:

you should be using 'Slim'

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piper69:

slim?

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piper69:

where do i get to that setting

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wagnerrp:

setup --> setup --> tv settings --> playback --> page 3

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i filed bug with patch #2 today :)

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wagnerrp:

ticket #2?

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[R]:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8556

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre second patch

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wagnerrp:

*your

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[R]:

this one is stupid... but it pissed me off

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klk:

can I clear and update my channels by using mythfilldatabase or do i need to rerun setup?

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klk:

I deleted some channels from my schedules direct lineup that I don't get

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autojack:

is schedulesdirect still the best place to get tv listings info in North America?

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[R]:

pretty sure its the only place

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autojack:

OK

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autojack:

what about XMLTV, or transmitted/EIT guide data?

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[R]:

eit generally sucks

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tweek__:

nope. fork over the $20

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autojack:

OK

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[R]:

xmltv's na grabber IS schedulesdirect

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autojack:

it's just that I barely watch any TV really.

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[R]:

you could always manually record stuff

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

EIT in north america is not likely to get more than a couple hours of data at the most

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tweek__:

even when I used it on the analog TV upstairs just to see what was on at the moment, EIT was pretty hit-and-miss

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autojack:

got it.

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[R]:

$20/yr is a drop in the bucket for what myth costs in the long run

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autojack:

is schedulesdirect $20/month? year? hour? :)

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autojack:

a hOK

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[R]:

$20/hr... lol

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autojack:

yeah fair enough

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autojack:

ok then.

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autojack:

I bought this pchdtv 5000 card years ago and never configured it.

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[R]:

my goal was for myth to "pay for itself" after a few years by dropping my cable company stb

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autojack:

trying to get it working now...

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[R]:

still waiting for the check

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[R]:

haha

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autojack:

I'll try not to ask too many questions that are already answered in the docs...

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[R]:

you shouldn't ask anything in the docs

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autojack:

I have a feeling that this single core Celeron 2.13 ghz proc is not going to be able to handle HD :/

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[R]:

autojack: probably not

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autojack:

could it even handle recording for later playback?

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[R]:

recoding digital doesnt use cpu

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tweek__:

if this core2duo machine can't handle HD playback without hardware assistance...

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clever:

if its a proper digital capture card, it should need almost no cpu power

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[R]:

its just dumping a bitstream

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autojack:

right

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autojack:

so I would have to record and transcode and then watch.

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[R]:

myth can autotranscode

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autojack:

yeah

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autojack:

that's what I mean.

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clever:

i used to have mine setup to halve the files in size

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tweek__:

transcoding is pretty CPU-intensive

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[R]:

or you could just use hardwaare acceleration

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clever:

but ive got 3tb of space now, no point

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autojack:

well, so I'm confused...

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tweek__:

and the more you're compressing, the harder your decoder will have to work, unless you're losing a lot of information on the way, in which case, why bother with HD

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autojack:

OK.

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autojack:

so my issue is going to be with playback.

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autojack:

the card will handle the recording/storage.

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autojack:

in terms of CPU for that.

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[R]:

the card doesnt store anything...

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tweek__:

if it has an on-board MPEG2 encoder, you'll get NTSC signals too if they're provided

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autojack:

yeah I didn't mean that the card would store it on itself...

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tweek__:

all without much CPU utilization

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autojack:

OK.

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autojack:

so it might make more sense to just make use of that?

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tweek__:

commercial flagging, transcoding, all of that ... that's probably going to take a toll

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tweek__:

and unless you have a video card or something that can handle it, don't expect realtime HD playback

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autojack:

OK.

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autojack:

the video card is a geforce 5500.

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autojack:

not good enough, I assume?

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tweek__:

as for analog TV-on-PC, I've been using that for years on rather old equipment with a bt878 (no hardware encoder)

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[R]:

for accelerated hd, you need an 8 series or better

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[R]:

8400

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[R]:

8200

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[R]:

etc

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autojack:

got it.

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tweek__:

geforce 9800 = $50 on Newegg this week

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tweek__:

or whatever the email said

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autojack:

that's something to think about for upgrading then, if I want to go that route.

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autojack:

so could I just upgrade my card and keep my Celeron proc?

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tweek__:

of course, VDPAU playback crashes my machine every now and then

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haffe:

Insane.

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tweek__:

processors are rather cheap these days, but you'll also need a new motherboard

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autojack:

yeah I know.

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autojack:

and new RAM...

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autojack:

which is why I ask if I can just buy the $50 video card :)

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haffe:

A C2D E8400 costs more than a new motherboard and an i3

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tweek__:

just spend like $300-$400 on a new computer

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[R]:

autojack: a $50 9800 is gonna be a pci express

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[R]:

autojack: you have pci express?

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autojack:

mmmm, probaby not.

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autojack:

ok, so analog it is for now :)

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tweek__:

or just buy a $10 'framegrabber' card and use that for playback-only

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[R]:

they have $50 8400 pci cards...

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autojack:

ack.

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autojack:

ok so could I just use a $50 geforce 8400 PCI card and not upgrade my motherboard, cpu, and ram?

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tweek__:

highly doubtful

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autojack:

okay.

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autojack:

thanks, sorry I realize this is like the perennial question everyone asks.

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tweek__:

let me put it this way, I have rather recent equipment and I can't get HD to work without hiccups

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autojack:

got it.

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[R]:

vdpau works great for me

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[R]:

i heart it

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tweek__:

I'm mostly talking about the driver for my HVR-1600 card

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[R]:

my 1600 works fine

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tweek__:

and this is the one hybrid card that maybe-sorta does work

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[R]:

both sides

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tweek__:

when you play back MPEG files recorded from an ATSC source on mplayer, you don't see obvious signs of corruption reported every thirty seconds or minute or so?

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is not a hybrid tuner

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tweek__:

along with buzzing audio?

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[R]:

i use qam and myth works just fine

[04:23:58]

tweek__:

did you need any particular setup to make that work?

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[R]:

i just followed the iwki

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tweek__:

the latest revision of v4l-dvb, with the latest firmware? (which only seems to make matters worse here)

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[R]:

stock ubuntu 10.04 kernel

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autojack:

I guess this is the "conflicting reports" I read about in the wiki :)

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tweek__:

yeah, on one side you get the mythical 'WORKS FOR ME'

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tweek__:

and on the other side you get a bunch of people claiming it doesn't

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tweek__:

so you're unsure what to believe

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[R]:

well both sides work for me

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[R]:

i tested it all yesterday

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autojack:

but you're saying I can get the pchdtv card to just output analog data?

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tweek__:

and what do you mean, it's not a hybrid tuner? just some semantic quabble? it does ATSC, it does NTSC, it's hybrid

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[R]:

tweek__: it has 2 tuners

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tweek__:

yeah, two separate, which is nice

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[R]:

hence not hybrid

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tweek__:

and you didn't need to install beta Nvidia drivers just to -reduce- the amount of panics

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[R]:

i'm using 195

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[R]:

and no panics

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tweek__:

where the hell is this computer so that I can use it

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[R]:

lol

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tweek__:

guess the only thing I can do is unplug every other cable jack in the house, reinstall 195 to the vanilla kernel and hope that things magically work. and if it doesn't, it won't. ever.

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autojack:

heh

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autojack:

I've been using MythTV for about 8 years now I think.

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tweek__:

let me guess, you also don't have to manually remove rows from MySQL just to get mythfrontend to actually figure out that it has recordings

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[R]:

that has nothign to do with your shoddy hardware

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autojack:

it's really great, but I have yet to shake the feeling that I'm basically sysadminning my television all the time :)

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tweek__:

might have something to do with my shoddy distribution / the crashes

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[R]:

i havnet touched it in weeks

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[R]:

my myth "just works"

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[R]:

autojack: so you must be doing somethign wrong

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autojack:

oh, I don't have problems at the level tweek__ is describing, by any means.

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autojack:

my experience with Myth is that it can be a struggle to configure, but then yes, it just works.

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[R]:

but you said you are working on it "all the time"

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autojack:

but I also make a point not to touch it if I can avoid it, once I have it working.

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tweek__:

I don't think myth is for anyone who doesn't want to sysadmin their TV

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autojack:

no I didn't.

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autojack:

well

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autojack:

yeah I see.

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autojack:

I meant that in a general sense.

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tweek__:

I mean, don't get me wrong, I like tinkering with stuff when it sort-of has a reasonable chance of working

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autojack:

I mean right this minute I'm fiddling with it :)

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autojack:

in order to get this HD card working.

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autojack:

but that's just the nature of the system, not a problem with mythtv as I see it.

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autojack:

the alternative is basically Tivo.

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autojack:

which sucks.

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tweek__:

easiest way to check if HD playback is possible on your system I'd say is to just download a video on YouTube and try playing it with mplayer

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autojack:

aha

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tweek__:

1080p of course

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autojack:

I imagine it's just not. I'm OK with that, if I can get the card to do SD out or whatever.

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autojack:

I watch so little TV. I'm only messing with this to make my wife happy.

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iamlindoro:

That is definitely not the best way

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iamlindoro:

since any youtube video is going to be painfully low bitrate

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autojack:

yeah I was going to say, I read the FAQ about bitrates.

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iamlindoro:

even regular broadcast television will be substantial more difficult to play back, let alone something like actual blu ray

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autojack:

aka the Q that says "if you read nothing else read this" :)

[04:38:42]

** autojack scans for ATSC chanels **

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tweek__:

bitrate on this 720p video is around 2000kbps, which is around double of what I'm encoding to

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autojack:

not finding much so far :/

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tweek__:

he wanted to transcode and then watch

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iamlindoro:

tweek__, That is a very very low btrate

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iamlindoro:

I would never advise one encode any Hd material at bitrates that low if they want to preserve any semblance of quality

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iamlindoro:

And if you are producing HD resolution material at 1 Mbit... oof

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tweek__:

it isn't. because I can't get HD. because it's broken

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iamlindoro:

Beside the point-- an HD Youtube video isn't even close to an adequate test of whether a machine will be capable even low bitrate broadcast material

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iamlindoro:

because it will be far, far, far easier to play than even garbage broadcasts

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autojack:

I'm comfortable assuming that my system will not be capable :)

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autojack:

it was cheap when I built it 4 years ago.

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tweek__:

do you get off to arguing with me, or something

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iamlindoro:

No, I just prefer that people give accurate answers

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tweek__:

the cost of a TiVo box is, what, $5 a month? so, $60 a year, that's the bare-minimum cost of a new video card alone

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autojack:

are you talking to me?

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autojack:

if so I'm not up for debating the pros and cons of mythtv vs tivo :)

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tweek__:

well, if you really want HD, I built a cheap server a few months back for around $300, could give you the specs if you're interested

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autojack:

I don't think I really want HD. if I can just get broadcast SD tuning and playback to work, I will be happy.

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autojack:

even though US broadcast TV is now all digital, it's not HD only right?

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autojack:

I think that's a mistake I was making awhile back.

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autojack:

there are still SD broadcast channels?

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[R]:

digital has nothing to do with hd

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autojack:

right.

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[R]:

loser channels still broadcast in SD

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autojack:

haha

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autojack:

I guess it's more a question of what stations in my area are broadcasting.

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autojack:

which you are not likely to be able to answer.

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tweek__:

some satellite / cable providers (all? legally required?) give local broadcast channels in analog and digital, 480p

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autojack:

mythfilldatabase is taking a good while.

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autojack:

yeah if I can get the local PBS and network stations to play back, that should be fine.

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autojack:

well, it's sorta working.

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lapion:

anyone know how come I keep on getting VDPAU errors while VDPAU is not selected as video output ?

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autojack:

it was playing back a channel pretty well

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autojack:

changing channels seems to have freaked it out

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Pwen:

hello all. Im wondering if anyone can help me with a database problem. I just updated my mythtv install and the frontend says it cannot connect to the database. I can login from shell (mysql -u mythtv -p) when providing the password. what could be wrong?

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justinh:

Pwen: then maybe the ~/.mythtv/config.xml and/or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt files contain the wrong information

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justinh:

or maybe there's another problem which you've not seen because you don't run mythfrontend from a terminal

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justinh:

e.g. it's trying to update the database schema as part of the upgrade but can't

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Anderslm:

Hello. When trying to scan for channels i MythTV Setup i can't choose "Norway" as country (I live in Norway). What can i do? Do i miss a package or something like that?

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Anderslm:

s/i MythTV/in MythTV

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justinh:

wouldn't you want 'Western Europe' ?

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Anderslm:

I can't choose Western Europe. I can in "General Settings", but in channel scan i only have Sweden, UK, Germany, Czech Republic, Spain, New Zealand, France, Greece, Australia and Finland.

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justinh:

weird

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justinh:

are you running trunk by any chance?

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Anderslm:

No. I'm running the package from the Ubuntu repository. Would help running trunk? ;)

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justinh:

no it likely would not

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Anderslm:

I do, however, have a much longer list of countries and cities in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t, http://pastebin.com/CKGMFxY0 but only one for a city in Norway which is no-Trondelag_Stjordal – But it don't fit me.

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justinh:

no, that has nothing to do with mythtv. that's for the dvb-utils 'scan' program

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justinh:

pretty sure people in norway have used mythtv before

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esperegu:

how can I determine which of the inputs will be used when starting live tv?

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justinh:

oh boy oh boy. that joggler's wifi is useless

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betolley:

I have a cheap video capture card(my pvr-250 just died) that I am trying to get to work. It uses a loop through and I have audio coming from it in xawtv. How do I tell mythtv to unmute the line in on the system sound card for sound?

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haffe:

Don't you want to use alsamixer or equivalent for that?

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betolley:

I tried amixer set Master,0 100%,100% unmute

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betolley:

amixer set PCM,0 100%,100% unmute

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betolley:

amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur

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betolley:

amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur

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betolley:

but I don't get audio.

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haffe:

betolley: Have I understood you correcltey in that you have two sound cards?

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betolley:

No 1 sound card in system. The capture card has a stereo out that plugs into the line in on the motherboard sound card.

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justinh:

betolley: so if you unmute the line input in the playback section of the mixer do you get sound?

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justinh:

just for test purposes, mind :)

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betolley:

yes I do.

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justinh:

ok – that at least means the tuner's own audio isn't muted

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betolley:

Yea.

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dewman:

is there a guide that can show "preferred" settings for mytharchive? IE default settings for recording,encoding,etc. All the recordings that I currently have are digital cable so I get a whole slew of out of sync messages in the log.

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dewman:

i've read the wiki and it helps a little but I am unsure as to what settings the acutal recording should be set at when myth records a show, I think that might be my biggest problem.

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BeowulfBC:

Has anyone else had lookups for Jamu quit working suddenly for no apparent reason for movies from themoviedb.org?

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: I have not seen that behaviour. Which version of Jamu are you running (./jamu -v)?

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BeowulfBC:

0.5.5

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: What MythTV version as that Jamu is fairly old.

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BeowulfBC:

MythTV Version : 22594

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BeowulfBC:

I am just using a pretty strait forward install of mythbuntu

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: No I mean like 0.22 or 0.23, trunk

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BeowulfBC:

erm where is that found again. LOL I never pick around in the guts it just works

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wagnerrp:

the same place you got that line you just pasted

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wagnerrp:

there should be half a dozen lines there

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wagnerrp:

one of them including the version

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: Have you ever applied the Mythbuntu Daily builds which will add all fixes to MythTV including to jamu?

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BeowulfBC:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-22-fixes

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BeowulfBC:

No I tend to stick to what gets rleased to the repositry in the hopes of not getting too many bugs on unstable verisons

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: THe problem with that due to the release schedule of Mythbuntu they had to go out with a pre-release of Mythtv which had bugs that were fixed before the official MythTV 0,22 release.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the full release of 0.22 wasnt until revision 22750 or so

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BeowulfBC:

I will look to upgrade that

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: The Mythbuntu Daily will just bring you up to 0,22+fixes current. You do not need to apply "testing" or any experimental code.

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BeowulfBC:

Is that built off of a CVS repo?

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: After you update at least 0.22+fixes current (recommend go 0.23+fixes current) retest. If you still have issues just request help again.

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BeowulfBC:

OK thanks alot. Hope that will help with my internal player issues when playing HD content... really choppy off of my NAS. VLC works nice and smooth

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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BeowulfBC:

Perfect. I will bookmark that one

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: MythTV 0.23 (Mythbuntu 10.04) really help with any of my HD Internal player issues. There was a ffmpeg resync.

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BeowulfBC:

Ah ok great. I was worried that I was pushing my 100MB switch a little too hard, but all my testing with VLC shows that is not ot be the case

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BeowulfBC:

Thanks alot for the help, you guys have been great as always

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wagnerrp:

100Mb, not MB

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BeowulfBC:

Erm yes you are corect but in my defence it is 8am and I have not slept ;)

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wagnerrp:

its an important difference, its surprising how often people get the two mixed up

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BeowulfBC:

True enough, 100 MB switch would be smoking fast

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wagnerrp:

slower than a basic gigabit switch

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BeowulfBC:

Yeah but compaired to what I have it would

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BeowulfBC:

I have a gigabit switch but hte wall wart died on it :S

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BeowulfBC:

Herm jamu.py 0.6.0 same error, Video Search Failed, Unable to Connect to themoviedb.org while retriving movie list. stopped at

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BeowulfBC:

Though the HD issues seem to be better

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BeowulfBC:

Or not I spoke too soon

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BeowulfBC:

4 Gig movie and it is choppy as hell

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BeowulfBC:

Well not quite but not as smooth as I would like it

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wagnerrp:

most DVDs are only 3–5GB

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wagnerrp:

its uncommon to find one actually taking most of the 8.5 available

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BeowulfBC:

This is a rip from a blueray

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BeowulfBC:

m2ts fromat

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wagnerrp:

why did you bother re-encoding it? it was already in h264 or vc1

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BeowulfBC:

I only had the movie on VHS so I downloaded it

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wagnerrp:

and there it is...

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RDV_Linux:

BeowulfBC: hmm, I wonder if this is related to seomthing I read on the users list. It seems that TMDB may not be supporting their older API as the old tmdb.pl was reported to not work any more. Jamu for 0.22 also used that same api. Now Jamu and tmdb.py for 0.23+fixes does use the latest TMDB api.

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wagnerrp:

discussion of pirated content is banned in this channel

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BeowulfBC:

*shrug* I am in Canada I own a VHS copy, it is fair use buy anyhow, back to tmdb.pl

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iamlindoro:

BeowulfBC, No.

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wagnerrp:

thats not fair use at all

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iamlindoro:

It's not legal, even in Canada, and no, you are no longer eligible for support here.

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wagnerrp:

you have some lowly 240 scanline video, so that makes it ok for you to pirate the HD version?

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wagnerrp:

that kind of logic is mind boggling

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BeowulfBC:

I purchased a copy of the movie "Saving Private Ryan"

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BeowulfBC:

I am watching said movie

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wagnerrp:

the VHS copy, yes

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BeowulfBC:

VHS, DVD, BlueRay, 35MM print all the same

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iamlindoro:

BeowulfBC, You did not purchase a license to any future format of said movie, for free. This is not up for discussion. Please feel free to push it further and find out what happens.

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BeowulfBC:

I own one copy for pricate viewing.

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wagnerrp:

no, not all the same

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BeowulfBC:

I will drop I respect that

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esperegu:

how to chance channel order?

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sphery:

esperegu: in the program guide?

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justinh:

you mean like randomise kind of chance?

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sphery:

I think you have 2 options... you can set it to alphabetize or use numeric ordering--that's it

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justinh:

or you can renumber all the channels yourself... heheh

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sphery:

however, you can create channel groups and then just switch groups to see only certain channels--to make it easier to find what you're looking to find

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sphery:

and, yes, changing channel number (but don't change freqid) is /always/ allowed

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sphery:

but... anyway

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Doug_:

Is there any chance of getting ticket 8556 committed to 0.23-fixes? Exit and shutdown has been broken in mythbuntu for the past 3 weeks due to chgset 24836

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becki:

hi

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becki:

how can I increase mythtv's loglevel?

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wagnerrp:

see

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wagnerrp:

'mythbackend -v help'

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becki:

thanks

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becki:

jsut a general question: how does mythtv scan for channels on analog tv?

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

but not in version 0.22 – it was broken then

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becki:

is clicked scan in mythtv-setup and it does nothing. so i wanted to know how it scans for them to locate the problem

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becki:

oh ok

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cesman:

becki: are you in the US or Canada?

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becki:

i am in germany

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cesman:

ok

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dewman:

is there a guide that can show "preferred" settings for mytharchive? IE default settings for recording,encoding,etc. All the recordings that I currently have are digital cable so I get a whole slew of out of sync messages in the log.i've read the wiki and it helps a little but I am unsure as to what settings the actual recording should be set so I can move them to dvd. I am thinking that my recording settings might be my bigges

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dewman:

t problem.

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dewman:

I would paste my mythburn log, but its 11megs.... So clearly I have something out of whack.

[16:52:38]

jarle:

becki: and you can even change the loglevel of an already running backend with something like "mythbackend --setverbose nojobqueue,eit,record"

[16:53:39]

becki:

jarle, ok thanks. i hope i can find why it does not work...

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sphery:

Ah, yay! Adobe Flash 10.1 is out. Now everyone who upgrades to it can have mythfrontend crash when using a Flash-containing web page through MythBrowser.

[17:26:40]

sphery:

(assuming that the release version crashes Qt4/WebKit the same as the beta version did)

[17:28:01]

justinh:

bet they've not fixed the video tearing either. that's apparently flash video's biggest & best feature

[17:28:40]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[17:29:45]

sphery:

and the whole lack of use of a video API in *nix--after all, "we can't use Xv because it's a different colorspace" (and, of course, everyone knows that poking pixels into memory is /much/ faster than a colorspace conversion???)

[17:30:17]

sphery:

I mean, really, 12-bit YUV is /much/ slower than 32-bit ARGB

[17:30:28]

sphery:

oh, wait...

[17:32:35]

justinh:

hur hur

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newtoubuntu:

hello?

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justinh:

is it me you're looking for?

[17:37:40]

justinh:

(I hope not)

[17:37:50]

newtoubuntu:

could be

[17:37:57]

newtoubuntu:

I need help

[17:38:05]

justinh:

try AA

[17:38:16]

newtoubuntu:

lol

[17:38:22]

justinh:

or NA if it's more serious

[17:38:34]

newtoubuntu:

i am so irritated with Mythtv

[17:38:45]

justinh:

ooo way to win over potential helpers

[17:38:45]

newtoubuntu:

i am not familiar with linux

[17:39:02]

newtoubuntu:

i am only being honest

[17:39:11]

newtoubuntu:

i wont lie

[17:39:29]

justinh:

tell you what... you tell us what's wrong & how come you're feeling so frustrated about it

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newtoubuntu:

k sounds good

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justinh:

otherwise nobody can help :)

[17:39:45]

newtoubuntu:

well...

[17:40:13]

newtoubuntu:

I would like to setup mtyhtv and no clue where to start

[17:40:35]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup?

[17:40:53]

newtoubuntu:

yes

[17:40:55]

newtoubuntu:

please

[17:41:06]

wagnerrp:

im saying thats where you start

[17:41:11]

newtoubuntu:

oh

[17:41:20]

justinh:

start by reading the documentation. Honest

[17:41:31]

newtoubuntu:

chat room mythtv-setup

[17:41:45]

newtoubuntu:

well it's all chinese to me

[17:41:50]

keld_:

I have problems with hardware accelleartion for my Intel gm965 card. mythtv 0.23.0.1, intel driver 2.9.1 – XvMC is activated according to the xorg log. One of the 1600 MHz Intel duo CPUs is 100 % used. What can be the problem?

[17:41:57]

wagnerrp:

no, the program 'mythtv-setup'

[17:42:26]

justinh:

keld_: intel xvmc is junk. part of the problem

[17:42:32]

wagnerrp:

they made a 1.6GHz Core2? is this a laptop?

[17:42:35]

newtoubuntu:

I have no clue where to find that

[17:42:43]

keld_:

the log says that options UseEvents AccelMethod CacheLines er not used

[17:42:57]

justinh:

newtoubuntu: try using google for 'ubuntu community mythtv documentation' :)

[17:43:15]

wagnerrp:

keld_: where are you getting the content?

[17:43:31]

** justinh watches a hole being dug **

[17:43:51]

keld_:

I am getting a HD steram from a USB dongle. Non-HD works fine

[17:43:57]

wagnerrp:

the only thing XvMC is good for is mpeg2

[17:44:04]

wagnerrp:

and then its only partial offload

[17:44:11]

newtoubuntu:

I did I read till 2am last night...though I was getting somewhere then when I began the backendsetup I hit a wall

[17:44:13]

wagnerrp:

DVB often comes in mpeg4

[17:44:26]

keld_:

it is in mpeg4

[17:44:34]

justinh:

there was only ever one lot of hardware which did complete mpeg2 offload – and that was the junk Via made

[17:44:42]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: you /are/ using mythbuntu, right--not doing something crazy like trying to install MythTV onto plain vanilla Ubuntu (where Mythbuntu is simply plain vanilla Ubuntu where someone else already did the hard stuff)

[17:44:43]

wagnerrp:

if its mpeg4, then xvmc will be worthless to you

[17:44:51]

justinh:

keld_: so xvmc is no use to you

[17:44:57]

wagnerrp:

and your processor is simply not fast enough for your content

[17:45:08]

newtoubuntu:

yes the crazy stuff

[17:45:09]

justinh:

keld_: and you'll need more than that CPU to play h.264 HDTV

[17:45:10]

sphery:

XvMC is garbage, just like justinh said

[17:45:24]

newtoubuntu:

I am running 10.04 and trying to setup mythtv

[17:45:36]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: mythbuntu 10.04 is the way to go

[17:45:55]

justinh:

keld_: the only way you'd be able to play stuff like that on your system would be to get nvidia graphics (say gx220 or whatever) & use VDPAU for decoding

[17:45:56]

keld_:

Hmm, I think other video players, incl kaffeine plays x.264 ok

[17:46:01]

newtoubuntu:

i know – I just wont give up

[17:46:05]

justinh:

it's not x.264

[17:46:12]

wagnerrp:

kaffeine doesnt play x264 at all

[17:46:15]

justinh:

keld_: no way, not on that CPU

[17:46:20]

wagnerrp:

x264 is not something that can be played

[17:46:26]

newtoubuntu:

I really like what I see in mythtv

[17:46:28]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: http://www.mythbuntu.org/

[17:46:41]

keld_:

It is the same stream, from the same HD station – dr.dk HD

[17:46:44]

newtoubuntu:

dont really want to switch to mythubuntu

[17:46:47]

justinh:

if it's a file, and it has x264 in the filename.. er.. you likely shouldn't even have it :)

[17:47:02]

newtoubuntu:

sphery: that's where i spent my evening

[17:47:26]

wagnerrp:

keld_: 'x264' is an encoder, it encodes to h264

[17:47:31]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: then you get to read all the relevant instructions, HOWTOs, wikis, fora, commits lists, ... to find out exactly what it is that Mythbuntu changes in standard Ubuntu to make it so that MythTV works :)

[17:47:42]

justinh:

even using mythbuntu isn't a cure for not having any idea where to start though

[17:47:45]

wagnerrp:

x264 is not a type of content you could decode, as there is no such format

[17:47:55]

wagnerrp:

nor could it be used to decode h264 content, as it is not a decoder

[17:48:10]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: and remember, when you get done changing your plain-vanilla Ubuntu so that MythTV works properly, you end up with--wait for it--Mythbuntu

[17:48:11]

justinh:

and if anything it's even less likely to give you any assurance your hardware even works in linux before you run into problems with mythtv

[17:48:36]

justinh:

because time & again I tell people to test their hardware works on linux before diving into mythtv

[17:48:39]

newtoubuntu:

lol

[17:48:44]

newtoubuntu:

really

[17:48:45]

justinh:

and time & again we get people in here who haven't

[17:48:46]

newtoubuntu:

?

[17:48:48]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: you can start with Mythbuntu and then install any other garbage you might want to run on it (so there's no reason for an Ubuntu user not to use Mythbuntu)

[17:48:55]

wagnerrp:

keld_: that processor at that clock rate might be able to manage 8mbps per core on h264 decoding

[17:49:04]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: i.e. Mythbuntu is just Ubuntu configured for MythTV

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keld_:

Hmm, why would XvMC work for nvidia, but not for intel?

[17:49:24]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: and it even uses the same Ubuntu repos for other non-MythTV stuff

[17:49:27]

newtoubuntu:

I see......

[17:49:32]

justinh:

keld_: xvmc is guff on nvidia too

[17:49:41]

wagnerrp:

nvidia doesnt support xvmc at all

[17:49:44]

wagnerrp:

they havent for years

[17:49:45]

newtoubuntu:

do know of another DVR/PVR for Ubuntu?

[17:49:48]

justinh:

keld_: nvidia now has VDPAU, which is complete decoding offload

[17:50:07]

justinh:

newtoubuntu: there is no other

[17:50:15]

newtoubuntu:

what i thought

[17:50:25]

newtoubuntu:

what are you running?

[17:50:28]

sphery:

heh, visions of Highlander/"There can be only one."

[17:50:35]

justinh:

step 1. test your tuner hardware

[17:50:56]

newtoubuntu:

k

[17:50:58]

newtoubuntu:

how?

[17:51:04]

keld_:

I see, I have another machine with a nvidia 8200 chip, maybe I should rather play with mthtv there

[17:51:15]

wagnerrp:

that chip supports VDPAU

[17:51:18]

justinh:

how you have to test your tuner depends on what sort of tuner it is

[17:51:29]

wagnerrp:

and should be able to decode that content in hardware

[17:51:41]

newtoubuntu:

I am serious when I say "newtoubuntu" three days now onlinux

[17:52:05]

newtoubuntu:

after 6 years on windows

[17:52:15]

justinh:

I've noticed something about installing myth on ubuntu.. it does a heck of a lot to 'make stuff easier' for you but my god if you take your eye off the ball for a second it'll mess it all up

[17:52:45]

justinh:

newtoubuntu: my 1st 3 days on linux involved compiling everything. God bless Gentoo :D

[17:53:03]

newtoubuntu:

what's Gentoo?

[17:53:04]

justinh:

don't start with the "muh, I'm only a noob" schtick. we've all been there :)

[17:53:23]

justinh:

we all didn't know how to do stuff until we learned how to do stuff

[17:53:34]

newtoubuntu:

really

[17:53:40]

newtoubuntu:

I would have never guessed

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justinh:

I have no sympathy for newbies

[17:54:07]

justinh:

sympathy isn't what they need

[17:54:13]

sphery:

Gentoo is a distro to make people feel like Linux geniouses :)

[17:54:20]

newtoubuntu:

why is that – you wee once one yourself

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newtoubuntu:

thanks shpery

[17:54:41]

justinh:

noobs don't need sympathy. they sometimes need to learn how to fish ;)

[17:54:54]

justinh:

and if that takes a little help, give them that

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sphery:

I have no sympathy for newbies--after all, no one is forcing them to use GNU/Linux

[17:55:13]

sphery:

and, in my experience, the vast majority of GNU/Linux users are using it for the wrong reasons

[17:55:16]

newtoubuntu:

no kidding

[17:55:30]

newtoubuntu:

what are the wrong reasons?

[17:55:45]

newtoubuntu:

I would like to hear your point of view

[17:55:55]

justinh:

I won't start with the "nobody ever felt sorry for me & helped me out, so therefore I'm doing the same" routine either. Cos I'm nothing like the linux old guard lol

[17:55:58]

wagnerrp:

its trendy and/or theyre too cheap to buy windows/osx

[17:56:06]

newtoubuntu:

I did not come here for sympathy I came here to learn

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sphery:

"So I don't have to pay for MS Windows," or "Because it's more secure than Windows," or ...

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justinh:

wagnerrp: bah. people who are too cheap to buy windows.. er.. I don't actually personally know *anybody* who has ever *bought* windows

[17:56:58]

justinh:

well other than what comes preinstalled I mean..

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sphery:

(You pay for GNU/Linux with your time. I can make GNU/Linux far more insecure than Windows. ...)

[17:57:13]

keld_:

I tried to use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC#Intel_Chipsets which indicated that HW accelleration worked for intel. But you say this is no good for mpeg4?

[17:57:19]

newtoubuntu:

I have bought every copy of windows I have ever owned

[17:57:21]

justinh:

newtoubuntu: so which areas are you having trouble with? one specific thing at a time

[17:57:30]

wagnerrp:

keld_: xvmc is no good for mpeg4

[17:57:32]

BiGViC:

IS there any way to remove the DVR functions for channels that are HD for better playback all I want to do is watch HD channels no need to pause/rewind/or record

[17:57:44]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, that's exactly it--99% of (licensed) Windows users get the license from an OEM when they buy their computer--and it costs them maybe $30 at most (generally <$20)

[17:57:46]

newtoubuntu:

I dont care for trends

[17:57:47]

justinh:

keld_: xvmc was only ever any use for mpeg2

[17:57:54]

newtoubuntu:

i dont care that is cool

[17:57:59]

wagnerrp:

BiGViC: no, mythtv is designed as a DVR, and will always be a DVR

[17:58:00]

newtoubuntu:

I want to learn

[17:58:04]

justinh:

BiGViC: no

[17:58:06]

newtoubuntu:

that's what i do

[17:58:09]

newtoubuntu:

I learn

[17:58:12]

newtoubuntu:

I read

[17:58:15]

newtoubuntu:

i grow

[17:58:21]

newtoubuntu:

I dont take shit

[17:58:37]

sphery:

newtoubuntu: IMHO, learning is one of only a few good reasons to choose GNU/Linux.

[17:58:46]

newtoubuntu:

noob or not

[17:58:52]

newtoubuntu:

I will learn

[17:59:09]

newtoubuntu:

and in a few years i be in your chair

[17:59:09]

sphery:

oh, and btw, we do have a policy in this channel to keep language very family-friendly

[17:59:23]

newtoubuntu:

sorry

[17:59:23]

justinh:

just so I don't have to ask again...

[17:59:26]

BiGViC:

any alternatives to just watch HD? because my pc cant keep up with HD channels it's an ancient one 3.2ghz Celeron D 512mb ram and Radeon 9800 Pro

[17:59:27]

justinh:

newtoubuntu: so which areas are you having trouble with? one specific thing at a time

[17:59:38]

newtoubuntu:

I can respect that

[17:59:46]

justinh:

BiGViC: nope. there's no substitute for having capable hardware

[17:59:49]

sphery:

BiGViC: what about things like tvtime or xawtv or ...

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newtoubuntu:

ok

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newtoubuntu:

stand-by

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keld_:

Are ther then workarouns for the intel chip? I tried to set the resolution to exactly 720p and that almost removed the problem. Maybe I could transcode to mpeg2 and then have HW accelleration?

[18:00:19]

wagnerrp:

BiGViC: if youre computer is incapable of recording and playing back HD, its going to be equally incapable of playing back HD without recording

[18:00:38]

wagnerrp:

keld_: you dont want to use XvMC, period

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newtoubuntu:

I have to setup Backend first correct?

[18:01:27]

wagnerrp:

using mythtv-setup

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keld_:

wagnerrp: ok, but why then have guidance on the wiki on XcMC, and not give a note that it is useless?

[18:01:58]

wagnerrp:

because no one has updated it as such

[18:02:05]

newtoubuntu:

yes mythtv-setup.real

[18:02:07]

justinh:

maybe time to delete that page :)

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keld_:

It says it was updated Jan 2010, which is fairly recently

[18:02:40]

justinh:

time to delete it!

[18:02:56]

justinh:

then again, some foo will end up putting it back again

[18:03:16]

keld_:

then better say why it does not work

[18:03:22]

kormoc:

keld_, some extremely low powered systems can make use of it

[18:03:35]

justinh:

some extremely low powered systems need to die in a fire

[18:03:48]

newtoubuntu:

do I need UPnUP/?

[18:03:48]

wagnerrp:

didnt XvMC get disabled with the new OSD anyway?

[18:03:55]

justinh:

newtoubuntu: no

[18:03:57]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I believe so, yes

[18:04:03]

newtoubuntu:

what i thought

[18:04:13]

wagnerrp:

newtoubuntu: do you have multiple computers, or otherwise want to stream to hardware playback boxes?

[18:04:32]

keld_:

OK, I have a 3rd machine and asus netbook with an Atom N270 processor and Intel graphics chip, would it be useable there?

[18:04:36]

newtoubuntu:

no

[18:04:52]

wagnerrp:

keld_: no, the N270 is woefully underpowered

[18:06:02]

newtoubuntu:

what exactly is a shel

[18:06:04]

justinh:

keld_: intel graphics is no use for video acceleration yet. end of story

[18:06:07]

newtoubuntu:

shell*

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justinh:

a home for hermit crabs

[18:06:19]

wagnerrp:

newtoubuntu: ever used cmd.exe in windows?

[18:06:39]

newtoubuntu:

yes – same thing?

[18:06:42]

wagnerrp:

same thing

[18:06:47]

newtoubuntu:

k

[18:06:51]

wagnerrp:

the 'shell' is just your command line environment

[18:06:57]

wagnerrp:

there are many to choose from

[18:06:59]

newtoubuntu:

k

[18:07:08]

newtoubuntu:

I.E?

[18:07:12]

newtoubuntu:

how many

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BiGViC:

ok I see I thought I could play HD since in Windows I could guess the Radeon Drivers are not as good in Ubuntu or whatever but in WIndows I turn off the DVR function to be able to play with the stock pinnacle program that came

[18:07:47]

BiGViC:

wagnerrp: so the DVR functions doesn't slow down playback at all?

[18:08:07]

newtoubuntu:

terminal is not a shell?>

[18:08:25]

wagnerrp:

the terminal is your access to the shell

[18:08:33]

newtoubuntu:

ok

[18:08:47]

newtoubuntu:

how do I access the shell from the terminal>

[18:08:55]

wagnerrp:

BiGViC: there is very minimal processing that occurs in mythtv when recording anything off a digital tuner

[18:09:04]

shady:

is there a new tmdb.pl for mythvideo somewhere or is the broken movie meta data search just a temporary problem..

[18:09:07]

wagnerrp:

the terminal cannot exist without having a shell open

[18:09:19]

wagnerrp:

shady: tmdb.pl is no longer in use by mythtv

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shady:

hm

[18:09:46]

wagnerrp:

BiGViC: ATI has supported hardware acceleration of video in windows for a long time

[18:10:02]

wagnerrp:

they have only recently added support in linux with their 4000 series

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BiGViC:

oh ok I see

[18:10:54]

BiGViC:

sucks because Mythtv rocks

[18:11:34]

BiGViC:

hard to setup at first I did it blindly really my first time on linux but it's awesome

[18:11:40]

newtoubuntu:

this PC I own was a hand me down how do I find out what my hardware is?

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newtoubuntu:

is there a command prompt?

[18:12:34]

wagnerrp:

should be a button for 'terminal' somewhere in the menu

[18:12:37]

joakim_:

newtoubuntu, open a terminal and typ lspci

[18:14:29]

joakim_:

newtoubuntu, sorry I missed that you didnt know where the terminal is,was. but click "applications" and then accessories

[18:16:18]

edman007:

hi, does anyone have the HD PVR working with blaster?

[18:16:25]

edman007:

preferably with the remote too

[18:16:27]

newtoubuntu:

I have a feeling that the hardware I have will not be compatible

[18:16:39]

newtoubuntu:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)

[18:16:39]

newtoubuntu:

00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE Host-to-AGP Bridge (rev 01)

[18:16:39]

newtoubuntu:

00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)

[18:16:39]

newtoubuntu:

00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)

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newtoubuntu:

02:01.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder

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newtoubuntu:

02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81)

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** edman007 slaps newtoubuntu **

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edman007:

newtoubuntu, pastebin.com or pastebin.ca

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newtoubuntu:

what did I just do?

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kormoc:

you broke channel rules by pasting into the channel

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kormoc:

reading the channel rules might be a good idea

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newtoubuntu:

yes I think your right

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edman007:

newtoubuntu, the /topic says "Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com/ "

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newtoubuntu:

I am a learn as I go type of guy

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newtoubuntu:

pretty used to getting my hand slapped

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wagnerrp:

mythtv isnt really a 'learn as you go' type of program

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wagnerrp:

theres a whole lot you need to know before you can get it functional

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jarle:

wagnerrp: sure it is, I'm still learning :)

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newtoubuntu:

I am seeing that

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jedix:

hey

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newtoubuntu:

I'll be back guys

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jedix:

for some reason none of my video files in the set directory are show up in media->watch videos

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jedix:

How do I get it to rescan?

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kormoc:

press m and hit scan for changes?

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jedix:

yeah, that looks like it's doing it

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jedix:

thanks

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jedix:

what about disabling overscan?

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jedix:

actually, I think that's the hteme I have

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wagnerrp:

use the 'tv setup wizard' in the frontend settings

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jedix:

oh man

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jedix:

all I get for sound is clicking

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jedix:

anyone ever hear of that?

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jedix:

music works fine, movies are very messy

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jedix:

constant clicking

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jedix:

this is with the optical out (I chose ALSA:spdif)

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sphery:

perhaps you've selected the Predator language track

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

there used to be a "select passthrogh"

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sphery:

hmmm... So, maybe the Flash 10.1 issues was only on GNU/Linux x86_64--since Adobe seems to have dropped Flash for GNU/Linux x86_64 when they released Flash 10.1 ( http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html )

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sphery:

if so, then that's great--since it's getting us a lot of bug reports for bugs that are in closed/proprietary code and that MythTV has nothing to do with

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jedix:

sweet, I got it

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jedix:

how do I get mythtv to look up all my media files?

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jedix:

they're all question marks.

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kormoc:

Menu -> Retrieve all details

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kormoc:

or you could read the docs where it's all written out in helpful structured steps

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jedix:

in the video display menu?

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jedix:

kormoc: do you have a url for that?

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kormoc:

mythvideo on wiki.mythtv.org

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jedix:

thanks

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esperegu:

how to see the info of the current stream (using dvb-s) on screen?

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[R]:

info?

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haffe:

Do you think it will be tolarable to run a single mythtvbox (frontend+backend) on just 512mb ram?

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[R]:

haffe: depends on what you are doing with it

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haffe:

[R]: Probably recording and transcoding.

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haffe:

Just SDTV though.

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[R]:

recording from what

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haffe:

DVB-Tcard

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[R]:

512 is a little low

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[R]:

i have 2gb in my backend

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wagnerrp:

if youre running at SD resolutions, it should be doable

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[R]:

then again i have 2gb in my frontend also

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** [R] thinks of something evil to do with 4gb of ram **

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haffe:

Problem is I have no more ram for this machine.

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haffe:

It's really old (DDRI)

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[R]:

well then i guess you'll have to try it and see

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haffe:

Yes.

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haffe:

I guess so.

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esperegu:

[R]: yeah. the resolution of the stream, mb/s, codec. etc

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esperegu:

also current frequency etc

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[R]:

i think theres a signal monitor on like f7 or something

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[R]:

dunno what it shows really

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esperegu:

[R]: that does not work here.. thx neway

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justinh:

signal monitor is a load of tosh with a good few dvb drivers anyway

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[R]:

tosh?

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justinh:

rubbish

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[R]:

you and your crazy british words

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justinh:

and my facts

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[R]:

lol

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jedix:

okay, that only details how to update one at a time

[19:11:33]

justinh:

not sure it's always the drivers though.. femon reports reasonable numbers but yet mythfrontend doesn't seem to

[19:11:40]

jedix:

I'll be here until the end of time at that rate

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jedix:

how do I make jamu run?

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[R]:

jedix: read it's documentation?

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justinh:

hmm. if only jamu had some kind of documentation in the wiki

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

heh

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RDV_Linux:

justdave: You bring a tear to my eye;)

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kormoc:

justinh, that's a brilliant idea! Why didn't the 34 authors of the jamu documentation think to document JAMU?

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wagnerrp:

if only justinh did the same...

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** justinh wonders what on earth justdave is doing to RDV_Linux **

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: Soory hit enter too quick

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justinh:

oh dear. you guys are gonna have a treat when you see the Dr Who episode with James Corden in it. Not

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kormoc:

justinh, is the cutie in it?

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justinh:

the one redeeming feature about the new series & she's not running around in a short skirt in this episode

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kormoc:

tisk tisk tisk

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justinh:

it's not bad though. still not one in danger of becoming a classic

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: re the Internal player as a video plugin for WebKit, I'd guess it would have be done this way: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/QtWebKitPlugins (i.e. either as a full-fledged NPAPI plugin--crazy--or as a WebKit-specific plugin)

[19:19:02]

sphery:

the Qt/Webkit-specific approach would be much easier, but would likely require Internal player architecture changes (that may actually be happening as part of the changes markk is doing)

[19:19:26]

sphery:

but if you control the HTML, itself, it may be possible to "fake it" through a much simpler hack

[19:19:53]

becki:

ok now i have version 0.23 and the scan worked well! but i still cannot watch tv. why could this happen? it says "please wait..." and then switches back to the menu. what reason could that have?

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justinh:

ROFLMAO. USA get one goal.. and an England player scored it for em.

[19:20:16]

wagnerrp:

bounce off them?

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wagnerrp:

errant kick?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: er no. kicked towards goalie... goalie didn't get it

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kormoc:

becki, it could be because your hard drives failed or lightning killed your tuner card

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justinh:

see I DO care about the world cup of soccer lol.

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justinh:

it could also be a horde nanites loose in the ODN trunking

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wagnerrp:

i didnt even know we have professional soccer teams over here

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tweek__:

unplugged every other cable outlet in the house that I could find, rebuilt / loaded the mercurial v4l-dvb driver / vanilla kernel + three different Nvidia drivers ...

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: I has a conversation with both paul-h and iamlindoro. I seems that using the internal player to playback a url without a ring buffer added will not work. paul-h does have adding the ability to playback mp3 audio MIME types which on his todo list. This was the other plug-in I would like for MNV.

[19:21:31]

wagnerrp:

did we pull from college teams or something?

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tweek__:

only thing left to try, I guess

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tweek__:

[R] says everything works out-of-the-box with Ubuntu 10.whatever

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: cool, just wanted to mention that page since it has some useful info on plugins

[19:22:29]

tweek__:

should I just burn off a live CD and see what happens? I really don't know what else there is to try

[19:22:39]

becki:

kormoc, haha. it says "failed to get pginfo" but i don't find out what couses that

[19:22:44]

justinh:

you can't run mythbackend from a livecd AFAIK

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tweek__:

okay, no myth. how about a simple TV viewer?

[19:23:11]

kormoc:

becki, you need a data source configured

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: thanks and I will check it out. Several of the new trunk grabbers use a local Web page so I can get full browser screen autoplay to work.

[19:23:24]

tweek__:

just to see if this is even remotely possible despite everyone but me having it 'just work'

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justinh:

tweek__: xine? kaffeine? vlc? etc?

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becki:

kormoc, what data source exept capture devices and so on?

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kormoc:

becki, you need a source of data that tells myth what is on when. In the US and Canada, it's schedulesdirect.org worldwide it's xmltv.org

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becki:

ahhh. thanks. *looking for that*

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justinh:

you want option 2 or 3 in mythtv-setup. pretty much can't miss it. apparently

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jedix:

I can't get jamu to run for movies

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jedix:

just tells me they are episodes and it can't find them

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RDV_Linux:

jedix: Are you still using MythTV 0.22?

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jedix:

RDV_Linux: nope, installed mythbuntu fresh today

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RDV_Linux:

jedix: Mythbuntu 10.04 (Lucid)?

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jedix:

yeah

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RDV_Linux:

jedix: Do two things (1) Apply daily updates as that will get you to 0.23+fixes (http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds 2) retry Jamu and if still not working then pastebin the output and provide a link.

[19:38:33]

RDV_Linux:

jedix: Mythbuntu 10.04 had to release with MythTV 0.23RC and not the final release.

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jedix:

RDV_Linux: thanks

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RDV_Linux:

jedix: np

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jedix:

seems to be working now

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Anderslm:

Hello. Can i use a external CI module to decode my tv stream?

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv supports hardware CI cards

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jedix:

ci?

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wagnerrp:

common interface

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wagnerrp:

a form of conditional access

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Anderslm:

wagnerrp, hos do i set it up?

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wagnerrp:

no clue, never used one

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justinh:

Anderslm: no mythtv doesn't support *external* CI

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justinh:

any CI mythtv uses has to be directly connected to a tuner

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Anderslm:

justdave, i was afraid of that :)

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Anderslm:

thanks though.

[19:49:56]

justinh:

and no, you can't talk about the alternatives to connecting a CI to a tuner

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justinh:

still though.. wonder how linux support of the hauppauge usb CI is coming along

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justinh:

*then* mythtv would be able to make use of external CI

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jedix:

damn, it juma just processed my tv shows, not movies

[19:51:24]

justinh:

cos that'd be a *proper* solution which doesn't use questionable software to do the decoding

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Anderslm:

its exactly the hauppauge device i have.

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Anderslm:

that would be real nice with support for it :)

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AndyCap:

hmm, where was that page again

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justinh:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-CI

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AndyCap:

//www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg13828.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg13828.html

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AndyCap:

ah, here we go

[20:00:23]

AndyCap:

http://www.bsc-bvba.be/linux/dvb/

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justinh:

heh cool

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becki:

do i need a grabber for every source i added?

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becki:

i still get a "failed to geht pginfo" message. but i have configured a grabber and the information center says everything is ok

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kormoc:

becki, did you associate it with a input? Did you run mythfilldatabase?

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becki:

yes. i deleted my dvb-t device and now it seems to start but there is nothing and after a while it switches abck to the main menu. now the error is "timed out waiting fpor the recorder to start"

[20:28:44]

keld_:

I poked around and tried to display the HD video recorded by mythtv with a number op players. vlc actually plays it without problems via my intel graphics chip. In mplayer there were sound syncronization problems, but the video seemed to play fluently. Is it possible to set the player in mythtv to vlc? I don't remember seeing a configuration possibility for that.

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becki:

and i have a v4l device and a mjpeg device with one hardware device, should i delete one of it?

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justinh:

ruh? you likely shouldn't have any mjpeg device

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becki:

yea. i deleted it but it still doesn't work

[20:41:25]

becki:

i set up my v4l capture device, added my source, added the xmltv data, ran mythfilldatabase

[20:42:14]

becki:

mythfrontent starts, theinformation center says everything is ok but there is still a time out while connectin to the recorder (I don't know what recorder it means)

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justinh:

becki: nowhere did you mention 'assigned capture device to video source within INPUT CONNECTIONS'

[20:43:18]

becki:

i assigned it but input connections? ok i check that now

[20:44:26]

becki:

yes i did assign it

[20:45:26]

becki:

well, my capture card has analog, composite and s-video input. do i have to assign every input capability with an input source?

[20:45:39]

wagnerrp:

only those you want to use

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becki:

ok

[20:46:13]

becki:

whatr storage directories does it need?

[20:46:15]

becki:

every?

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justinh:

only default is needed to make recordings & watch tv

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becki:

ah mybe that was the error...

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** becki hopes it'll work now **

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becki:

ok still doesn't work

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justinh:

so maybe the directory you just set as the storage group isn't writable by the user mythbackend runs as. your backend log would say

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becki:

it does not say something like this

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becki:

NVR(/dev/video0) Error: lzo_init() failed, exiting <-- but after that it continues...

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sphery:

becki: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8523

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justinh:

oof. myth unable to play its own nuvs? oh the irony

[21:11:07]

becki:

so this mybe an issue of my distributions compilerflags on that lib?

[21:11:43]

sphery:

actually, only for x86_32 (and, really, it may just be a compilation issue)

[21:12:16]

becki:

ok, i have i686

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sphery:

the lib is provided by mythtv and compiled with mythtv, so it's either compilation breakage in the mythtv package or the MythTV configure/qmake/make system needs fixing

[21:14:03]

CNLiberal:

i just upgraded from 9.10 x32 to 10.04 x32. Ran mythtv-setup and it said it needed to update DB schema from 1044 to 1054. I did that and now when i start the FE or look at mythweb i keep getting the "unable to connect to master backend on 10.0.0.23:6543" This is on the master BE that i'm having this issue

[21:14:11]

sphery:

becki: basically, your options until it's reviewed by the configure/arch expert if you want to stick with packaged/vetted mythtv stuff, are a) wait until it's fixed in MythTV or we figure out what distros are doing wrong or b) use a capture device that doesn't use NUV (like the PVR-150 or PVR-500)

[21:14:57]

sphery:

CNLiberal: make sure you reboot all your mythtv systems--some *buntu users have mentioned issues with the packager scripts not properly restarting things

[21:15:41]

sphery:

CNLiberal: and, more likely the real issue, make sure you actually upgraded all mythtv packages on all systems--I think most users having problems are actually leaving 0.22-fixes garbage on their system, which prevents the packager from installing parts of 0.23-fixes

[21:15:42]

CNLiberal:

i have tried to manually start the mythtv-backend service...it says it starts...unfortunately, when i reboot, it seems that the hard drive names keep changing

[21:15:48]

sphery:

i.e. package manager user error

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CNLiberal:

i think there's still a .22 libmyth installed

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sphery:

yeah, that's likely part of the problem

[21:16:29]

sphery:

hard drives renumbering is a distro/udev issue

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CNLiberal:

libmyth-0.22–0 is installed

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sphery:

yeah, I recommend you uninstall /all/ mythtv packages (0.22 and 0.23 stuff), then verify there's nothing MythTV on your system, then install MythTV 0.23 packages, then enable the Mythbuntu auto-builds for 0.23-fixes ( http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds )

[21:17:54]

CNLiberal:

i also use the JYA repo on my system

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sphery:

ah, then use that instead of the auto-builds, I suppose (or however that works)

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CNLiberal:

ok

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sphery:

but as long as you're not using the pre-release version of 0.23 that ships with 10.04, you'll be fine

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becki:

re

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CNLiberal:

so a complete removal, then reboot (for fun), then install mythtv packages again

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sphery:

that would be perfect

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CNLiberal:

ok, i'll try that out...thanks Sphery

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sphery:

good luck

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CNLiberal:

an since JYA's back, before i go, i just wanna say thanks JYA!

[21:19:39]

CNLiberal:

love the repo!

[21:20:39]

becki:

RingBuf(/home/becki/mythtv/livetv/1008_20100613000227.nuv): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/home/becki/mythtv/livetv/1008_20100613000227.nuv'. <-- ha! what does this mean. is that the lzo issue?

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sphery:

that may be broken file system permissions or storage groups configuration

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jst:

Alright, I think I'm going to bite the bullet and buy an HD-PVR. (1) Anyone know if they're planning a price cut soon? (2) Is there a delay when switching/tuning channels?

[21:22:03]

CNLiberal:

quick q though...how do i do a complete removal of all mythtv on an ubuntu system? if i check COMPLETE REMOVAL of just the mythtv package (in synaptic package manager) it only shows the mythtv package, not everything else

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jst:

CNLiberal, I'd do it from the command line. sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv

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sphery:

becki: and it could, theoretically, cause the same error output as the potential lzo compilation issue that's been reported by only one single user, which means that you may not have the lzo issue (or it may not really exist)

[21:22:33]

CNLiberal:

got it

[21:22:34]

CNLiberal:

thanks

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jst:

then sudo apt-get autoremove --purge

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CNLiberal:

um

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CNLiberal:

i did that, but only the mythtv package was removed

[21:23:42]

CNLiberal:

nothing else

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becki:

sphery, ok, then I'll check out all permissions and if it does not work after that, i don't know where to look at

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jst:

Can you do this: sudo apt-get remove --purge myth*

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CNLiberal:

should the command be sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv*

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jst:

That autoremove function is key.

[21:24:36]

jst:

Heh.

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jst:

So autoremove didn't remove anything else?

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CNLiberal:

i did the autoremove...still didn't do it

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CNLiberal:

i just tried mytthv* and now it's listing LOTS of stuff

[21:25:17]

CNLiberal:

i'm assuming it's everything

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jst:

Hmm, be careful.

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jst:

Make sure it doesn't remove anything you need.

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CNLiberal:

looks like mysql will get removed if i do the apt-get autoremove

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CNLiberal:

this is where i'm sitting right now...haven't hit Y or N

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CNLiberal:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/w6SuaEv6

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jst:

One sec.

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jst:

Looks fine to me.

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CNLiberal:

kewlio

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CNLiberal:

here we go

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jst:

As long as you're not doing any SQL, Perl, Python crap.

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CNLiberal:

nope

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CNLiberal:

i wasn't going to run the auto-remove because of my database

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CNLiberal:

but maybe it's better to do a completely clean install

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CNLiberal:

should i do the auto-remove?

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CNLiberal:

weird...the auto-remove wants to remove ntp?

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CNLiberal:

ok gonna reboot

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CNLiberal:

brb

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CNLiberal:

back...i didn't run the auto-remove

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CNLiberal:

i'm gonna try to install mythtv again

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jst:

Hmm

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CNLiberal:

if i run the auto-remove, it'll remove mysql and NTP

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CNLiberal:

among other things

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CNLiberal:

unless u think i should

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joakim_:

CNLiberal, that sounds strange ...

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CNLiberal:

i know

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CNLiberal:

at least hard drives didn't switch names this reboot

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joakim_:

well thats something to be happy about ;-)

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CNLiberal:

haha

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CNLiberal:

so i'm wondering if i should reinstall now, or do auto-remove

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joakim_:

are you running a myth dist or is it you own install ?

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CNLiberal:

mythbuntu

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jst:

What's a CNLiberal?

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CNLiberal:

CodeName Liberal

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joakim_:

the latest 10.04 LTS ?

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CNLiberal:

yes

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CNLiberal:

i just upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10 today

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CNLiberal:

and i was getting errors in mythweb and the FE (all on the same machine) that the db was unreachable...was the backend running...etc

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joakim_:

hmm, I upgradeed my 9.10 to 10.04 and it worked almost good, exept I cant get subs to work from MKV files

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CNLiberal:

then it went alot better than mine

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joakim_:

can you make a backup of the DB then maybe a fresh install should be at its place

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CNLiberal:

well the DB doesn't really have anything in it i need

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joakim_:

ahh, well then I would make a fresh install Mine has been running since 9.10 release day and I have many recordeed programs, so Im making tehs installs right now to try and restor the DB to

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CNLiberal:

k

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keld:

can I replace the video player somewhere?

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joakim_:

yes you can

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joakim_:

hold on and Ill check the path

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CNLiberal:

yeah...i'm thinking i need to complete re-install mythbuntu

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CNLiberal:

damn it

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CNLiberal:

i have a LOT of stuff on here...

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joakim_:

CNLiberal, what kind of stuff, all on the same partition and disk or ?

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CNLiberal:

DHCP server for the HDHR, samba for sharing out My Docs folder to XP machine, sabnzbdplus, tons of other stuff

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joakim_:

keld, this is a good resource http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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joakim_:

CNLiberal, the HDHR part I dont know what that is but your samba config shold be under /etc/samba make a backup of it and the make a fresh install and restore the backup

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CNLiberal:

here's what i'll do...i'll remove mythtv again...with mythbuntu-control-centre, backup the DB...remove the DB and reinstall MCC

[21:53:55]

CNLiberal:

HD HomeRUn

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becki:

cu

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joakim_:

ahh HD Homerun ok

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joakim_:

but probably have a conf file for that either as a dot file in your home dir E.I .HDHomerun or something under /etc

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CNLiberal:

another reboot

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ekristen:

any boxee users out there?

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justinh:

why would they be in here if there were?

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justinh:

I tried boxee once. And no, I'm still using mythtv for everything

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justinh:

rofl. how happy do the cartoon couple on the boxee homepage look?

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joakim_:

lol

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joakim_:

well all its past midnight I will go now, night all

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CNLiberal:

where do I find the database password?

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CNLiberal:

i'm in mythtv-setup and i want to verify the password that it has listed

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justinh:

where did you last see the database password?

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justinh:

hint: on debian based systems (e.g. ubuntu) it'll likely be stored in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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CNLiberal:

hmm

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CNLiberal:

oj

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CNLiberal:

thanks

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justinh:

wish people would pay more attention when their installers are telling them this stuff :)

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CNLiberal:

the password is the same

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CNLiberal:

so it's probably alright

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CNLiberal:

but i think that i'm gonna stop mucking about with this

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CNLiberal:

i'm just gonna rebuild the system

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CNLiberal:

bt not now

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CNLiberal:

too tired, and just wanna relax

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CNLiberal:

thanks for all the help!!

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newtoubuntu:

Wagnerrp: I'm back

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newtoubuntu:

shpery: hey are you busy?

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newtoubuntu:

Hello?

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justinh:

can I please have $5 for everybody who asks where they can find ther database credentials? :-)

[22:49:36]

justinh:

oh no, wait.. that might deepen the recession still further. the world cannot afford it

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Azelphur:

lol

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Azelphur:

just to join the stupid question brigade, is there any way to speed up MythTV channel changing?

[23:01:16]

Azelphur:

It takes 7 or so seconds to switch, which is a bit slow

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justinh:

no there's no way to speed up channel changing as such

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Azelphur:

aww

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justinh:

but it's best not to use livetv and 'zap' at all :)

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Azelphur:

what is zap?

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justinh:

if the people who hung out here to help you lot were the kind of people who watch live tv, we wouldn't be here :)

[23:06:25]

Azelphur:

haha

[23:06:30]

justinh:

you know.. zapping.. hopping from channel to channel

[23:06:36]

Azelphur:

oh, right

[23:06:58]

Azelphur:

yea, I don't watch much LiveTV, I built my mythtv box for my mums christmas present :P

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justinh:

for just *watching* tv I wouldn't recommend mythtv at all

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Azelphur:

seems fine to me

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justinh:

certainly not to sit in place of a commercially available DVR box

[23:07:42]

Azelphur:

besides the slightly slow channel changes, there isn't really any issue

[23:07:57]

Azelphur:

that's what my mythbox is doing, we replaced our Sky box with it

[23:08:05]

justinh:

well, you can use browse mode instead – so that way you see if there's anything worth changing to before changing channel

[23:08:18]

Azelphur:

yea, that's what we are doing :)

[23:08:46]

Azelphur:

we'd do that anyway with the sky box, the sky box would usually take atleast 2–3 seconds for a channel change anyway lol

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justinh:

really? sounds long for a 'proper' STB

[23:09:07]

justinh:

not UK sky then?

[23:09:11]

Azelphur:

yea, UK sky

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justinh:

really? lol

[23:09:19]

Azelphur:

was an old box though, kinda buggy, kept lagging up too

[23:09:29]

justinh:

well, sky boxes do that

[23:09:38]

Azelphur:

yea, it lags up too sometimes, so it'll ignore you for about 10 seconds and then decide to do everything all in one jump

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justinh:

even new ones. my mate is on his 6th box in 3 years

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Azelphur:

hehe

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justinh:

that's not counting all the missed or lost recordings

[23:10:14]

justinh:

Â£70 for the engineer to come out & reset it, making it format itself

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Azelphur:

\o/

[23:10:30]

Azelphur:

mythtv is a big hit in my house, don't have anything else plugged into the TV at all now

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justinh:

we still have our cable box, but it's good for ondemand stuff

[23:11:16]

justinh:

proper bbc iplayer :)

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Azelphur:

hehe we are sticking with the free services, as we never paid the sky bill anyway (and as such had less channels than we do now with myth)

[23:11:51]

justinh:

I hope the bbc get a rocket up them for using flash one day

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Azelphur:

MythNetVision looks quite good for iPlayer, but it doesn't work for me atm

[23:12:08]

justinh:

nah flash video is lame

[23:12:17]

Azelphur:

indeed, I hate it

[23:12:22]

justinh:

hogs CPU, and on my frontend the video tears

[23:12:32]

justinh:

on my windows laptop it tears too

[23:12:37]

justinh:

both intel video

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Azelphur:

yea, on my Linux machine I game on...I hate trying to game, everything lagging, then hitting up top and finding out that it's once again flash using more CPU than the game I'm trying to play, just to sit idle.

[23:13:09]

justinh:

heh

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Azelphur:

not some old game either, TF2, DX9 running at 1920x1200...and flash is often using more resources than it lol

[23:15:07]

Azelphur:

but yea, MythTV does well for our whole house, media library has the heaviest use, mum loves being able to schedule recordings, she also fires up who wants to be a millionaire through pcsxr with mythgame when some of her friends come round and they all play who wants to be a millionaire :D

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Azelphur:

nothing wrong with using it in place of a usual DVR box imo, sure it's a little slow to change channel, but other DVR's have quirks too as we discussed :P

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justinh:

wouldn't call Sky's faults 'quirks' personally

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Azelphur:

well yea, loosing recordings is epic fail

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clever:

Azelphur: yeah, i usualy disable flash whenever posible

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clever:

in firefox 3.7ish they put flash into its own process, seperate from firefox

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Azelphur:

I've always wanted an addon for firefox that scans the page for flash video (Like the download addons do), and replaces the flash video player with your OS's native player and streams it

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Azelphur:

that would be cool

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clever:

sometimes that works, when they just directly link a mp4

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clever:

but other times its a custom stream/protocol to prevent ripping

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Azelphur:

hehe, even if it just covered youtube that'd be a good start

[23:21:22]

clever:

it would be better for the site to just throw in a <video> tag

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Azelphur:

that too, I havn't managed to get youtube working with html 5 in firefox on ubuntu yet, though

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clever:

if the file they stream is good for your idea, it will work with a <video>

[23:22:15]

clever:

i read about that but havent found it at all

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Azelphur:

hehe yay, just got it working

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Azelphur:

pretty simple, just add the ubuntu-mozilla-daily ppa then install firefox-3.7 and anything with webm support on youtube will play

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clever:

i downloaded the firefox nightly builds so i got 3.7 easily

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clever:

the problem was convincing youtube to actualy give a <video> tag

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Azelphur:

that was pretty simple too, you just go to youtube.com/html5 and click join the beta

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clever:

ah

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clever:

Azelphur: sounds alot like the other 'hidden' pages like http://www.youtube.com/my_speed

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Azelphur:

hehe

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clever:

still not exactly working 27% of my cpu to plugin-container for libflashplayer.so

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clever:

ah, webm version fixed it

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