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| [00:04:49] | coolblue: | hmm in mythweb… monitor signal quality = alt+f7 |
| [00:04:49] | coolblue: | but there is no reaction when I press the combination |
| [00:08:04] | coolblue: | ah gnome window manage uses this key |
| [00:08:16] | Beirdo: | snicker |
| [00:11:41] | coolblue: | S/N 2.1db is this ok or to low? |
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| [00:57:38] | noisymouse_: | I'm having a problem where I've told my backend to run on localhost but when I do telnet localhost 6543 (on the same computer) I get Connection Refused |
| [00:57:58] | noisymouse_: | and I'm also not able to connect from the frontend to the backend |
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| [01:00:07] | coolblue: | look in the backend.log |
| [01:00:15] | coolblue: | it could be a mysql connection problem |
| [01:00:34] | coolblue: | wrong pw or so |
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| [01:02:17] | noisymouse_: | where do I set the database for the backend? |
| [01:02:33] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [01:02:40] | wagnerrp: | check your backend log |
| [01:02:49] | wagnerrp: | it will explain why its not listening on that socket |
| [01:03:11] | noisymouse_: | yeah, I checked the backend and saw it's not connecting to the database |
| [01:03:14] | coolblue: | mythtv-setup is not enough |
| [01:03:19] | noisymouse_: | but I don't see where to change that setting |
| [01:03:28] | coolblue: | go in etc mythtv |
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| [01:03:43] | coolblue: | edit mysql.txt and config.xml |
| [01:03:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup /is/ enough |
| [01:03:50] | wagnerrp: | it edits those for you |
| [01:04:03] | coolblue: | not on my boxes… i don't know why |
| [01:04:14] | wagnerrp: | are you running it as the same user that runs the backend? |
| [01:04:17] | noisymouse_: | coolblue: what should I put, those files are empty |
| [01:04:24] | noisymouse_: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:04:47] | wagnerrp: | pastebin the first couple hundred lines of your backend log |
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| [01:05:03] | coolblue: | ubuntu: sudo mythtv-setup… it will edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt not in etc |
| [01:05:15] | noisymouse_: | I have to be superuser? |
| [01:05:23] | wagnerrp: | coolblue: thats what it is supposed to edit |
| [01:05:35] | wagnerrp: | and thats what mythbackend is supposed to be using |
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| [01:05:48] | coolblue: | but the backend reads in /etc/ when it is started via init.d |
| [01:06:04] | wagnerrp: | the only reason why it would use something else is if your init scripts change $HOME to be somewhere other than your home directory |
| [01:06:27] | wagnerrp: | in which case they should wrap mythtv-setup as well, to set the proper HOME there too |
| [01:06:38] | noisymouse_: | do I need to restart mythbackend for the changes to take effect? |
| [01:06:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:06:47] | coolblue: | I dont know what the init scripts do.. its ubuntu 10.04 and it wans't working out of the box.. I must manually edit these to scripts to get work |
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| [01:06:53] | wagnerrp: | consider anything you do in mythtv-setup requires a restart of the backend |
| [01:09:23] | noisymouse_: | ok, it's still not working, but the backend is now properly connecting with the database (I think |
| [01:09:25] | noisymouse_: | ) |
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| [01:09:53] | coolblue: | okey :-) |
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| [01:10:30] | noisymouse_: | here's my log: http://pastebin.com/Hxn78ga0 |
| [01:11:30] | noisymouse_: | do I also neeed to run mythfilldatabase after using the backend (I haven't edited channels) |
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| [01:12:07] | coolblue: | wrong pw says the logs |
| [01:12:24] | coolblue: | acces denied |
| [01:12:32] | wagnerrp: | because it cant find the config file, or the backend itself over upnp |
| [01:12:50] | wagnerrp: | run 'HOME=/etc/mythtv mythtv-setup' |
| [01:13:38] | coolblue: | HOME etc mytv ?? it will generate a .mythtv dir inside mythtv or not? |
| [01:14:22] | wagnerrp: | it alters the HOME path in the environment to the same location your init scripts apparently have |
| [01:14:32] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv-setup will store the files in the proper location |
| [01:15:15] | coolblue: | hmm |
| [01:16:19] | noisymouse_: | hey, it worked... I think I might file a bug report though |
| [01:17:08] | wagnerrp: | thats certainly not a mythtv bug |
| [01:17:17] | noisymouse_: | no, a bug with gentoo |
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| [01:18:50] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo init script does indeed reset HOME to /etc/mythtv |
| [01:18:51] | coolblue: | hmm most daemons first reads in /etc/dir than in ~/.dir. |
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| [01:20:36] | coolblue: | and when mythbackend is called as root.. it could/should use /etc/mythtv… so I think it is mythtv bug, too |
| [01:20:58] | wagnerrp: | when backend is called as root, it should still read from ~/.mythtv/ |
| [01:21:09] | achew22: | coolblue: it should read from /root/.mythtv |
| [01:21:13] | wagnerrp: | its not a bug when its intended behavior |
| [01:21:52] | coolblue: | so the init.d script which starts the daemon should read his config from a home dir?!? thats not linux like.. all dameon configs are in /etc |
| [01:22:08] | wagnerrp: | no, the init.d script doesnt read anything |
| [01:22:11] | noisymouse_: | I'm having another problem: the video during livetv is squished |
| [01:22:19] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend reads from his home dir |
| [01:22:32] | wagnerrp: | and for what its worth, mythtv doesnt store any config in any file |
| [01:22:37] | achew22: | wagnerrp: my mythbackend is a girl |
| [01:22:43] | noisymouse_: | lol |
| [01:22:58] | wagnerrp: | the /only/ thing it stores outside the database is how to access the database |
| [01:23:06] | wagnerrp: | hmm.... i thought i typed 'its' there |
| [01:23:10] | coolblue: | yes the daemon reads his config itself.. sure.. but it is not usual the daemons read his configs from root home dir, when it is startet via init.d |
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| [01:24:32] | wagnerrp: | the reason it reads from its home dir is because you can set a value to override the name it uses for indexing in the database |
| [01:24:36] | wagnerrp: | by default it uses the hostname |
| [01:24:53] | wagnerrp: | if you specify that value, you can have multiple configurations on a single system |
| [01:25:03] | wagnerrp: | if everything is pulling from /etc/mythtv, that doesnt work |
| [01:26:34] | wagnerrp: | noisymouse_: you could make the case that mythtv-setup should be wrapped similar to how ubuntu does it |
| [01:26:54] | wagnerrp: | or that the ebuild should have some ewarn text to inform the user that they need to set the HOME as such |
| [01:26:58] | coolblue: | okey.. but why I should start multiple backends? you mean multiple frontends… and of cource, whren I start a frontend with user privleges on shell or gnome.. it should use my home dir config, not etc… I only say, the backend should read it from etc WHEN it is startet via init.d |
| [01:27:37] | wagnerrp: | it is, thats why the init.d script resets HOME |
| [01:27:52] | achew22: | coolblue: you may not want to start multiple backends but the devs want to be able to run multiple backends and since they are writing code thats the way it is. |
| [01:28:15] | wagnerrp: | it all comes down to the fact that its intended behavior |
| [01:28:17] | coolblue: | yes.. but the problem is, mythtv-setup don't use /etc when it is startet via sudo |
| [01:28:31] | wagnerrp: | it may not follow proper procedure, but its not a bug either |
| [01:28:54] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, nothing on my system reads from /etc/* |
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| [01:29:08] | wagnerrp: | programs all pull from /usr/local/etc/* |
| [01:29:23] | noisymouse_: | so umm my aspect ratio isn't right |
| [01:29:38] | coolblue: | hmm.. achew22: I think the usability for user should have a higher prioritie as of an developer that have deep knowledge of the system |
| [01:30:12] | wagnerrp: | coolblue: blame the gentoo packagers for screwing things up |
| [01:30:22] | wagnerrp: | if they had just left HOME as it were, there would be no problem |
| [01:30:26] | achew22: | coolblue: It's true that user orientation is a good thing but most users don't blast away their init.d file and try to write their own |
| [01:31:10] | noisymouse_: | 4:3 programs display like 16:9 and 16:9 are extra extra wide |
| [01:32:00] | wagnerrp: | noisymouse_: what resolution is your display running at? |
| [01:32:04] | coolblue: | in TV properties setup you can select with aspect ration your tv have, and with auto or manual zoom is the default |
| [01:32:09] | noisymouse_: | 1366x768 |
| [01:32:25] | noisymouse_: | but I'm using xrandr with a display that's 1920x1200 |
| [01:32:45] | wagnerrp: | why arent you running native? |
| [01:32:50] | noisymouse_: | anyway, I set geometry to 1366x768 |
| [01:33:01] | noisymouse_: | running native? |
| [01:33:10] | wagnerrp: | native resolution |
| [01:33:15] | noisymouse_: | I have 2 displays, both at native resolutions |
| [01:33:38] | noisymouse_: | the one I use mythfrontend on is 1366x768, the other one is 1920x1200 |
| [01:34:11] | wagnerrp: | so then youre probably running with a virtual screen at 4096x4096? |
| [01:34:51] | noisymouse_: | umm, virtual is 3286x1200 |
| [01:35:28] | wagnerrp: | with xrandr, you generally run a virtual at much higher than your physical space |
| [01:35:39] | wagnerrp: | so that the system has somewhere to place any additional monitor you add |
| [01:36:00] | wagnerrp: | the virtual space must be defined when the X server is started |
| [01:36:08] | wagnerrp: | and is not changeable |
| [01:36:34] | noisymouse_: | yeah |
| [01:36:48] | noisymouse_: | so is my virtual size messing up mythfrontend? |
| [01:36:58] | wagnerrp: | possibly, i dont know |
| [01:39:14] | noisymouse_: | well it got it almost right by setting the aspect override to 4:3 |
| [01:39:57] | noisymouse_: | it's still a little stretched though :/ |
| [01:41:32] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [01:41:52] | Beirdo: | if I didn't have a nasty headache, I might go dig out my old mythbox |
| [01:43:08] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Beirdo, dig it out? |
| [01:43:22] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [01:43:25] | Beirdo: | it's in a box |
| [01:43:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Why? |
| [01:43:38] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Why isn't it adding to your life? |
| [01:43:44] | Beirdo: | because it got shipped here from my old home |
| [01:43:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Oh |
| [01:43:53] | Beirdo: | and arrived only a few days back |
| [01:43:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:44:02] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Where did you move to? |
| [01:44:04] | kormoc: | moving 5,000 miles is no excuse |
| [01:44:18] | coolblue: | hmm after 10 minutes of looking livetv the livetv stopped… and I get the error message "video frame buffergin failed too many times" Is there anyone that knows what it is? |
| [01:44:21] | kormoc: | especially when it took me 4 months when I moved 30 mile |
| [01:44:35] | kormoc: | coolblue, read the logs and see why it failed? |
| [01:44:36] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [01:44:59] | Beirdo: | so at that rate, I have a few years :) |
| [01:45:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:45:22] | coolblue: | kormoc: on client or server? |
| [01:45:23] | Beirdo: | moved from Puerto Rico to Seattle |
| [01:45:47] | kormoc: | coolblue, both |
| [01:46:40] | noisymouse_: | so futurama is coming back on the 24th of june |
| [01:46:47] | coolblue: | oh sorry.. my old problem.. not enough hdd space… okey it was HD :-) |
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| [01:48:05] | coolblue: | Is there anyone that have knowledge about hd+ from germany? |
| [01:48:46] | noisymouse_: | hard drive from germany or person from germany who has knowledge of hard drives? |
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| [01:49:20] | coolblue: | HD+ Television. not harddisc :-) |
| [01:49:31] | noisymouse_: | ah, sry can't help you |
| [01:49:43] | coolblue: | it have a basic encryption |
| [01:49:56] | coolblue: | for 50 € per year |
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| [01:51:09] | coolblue: | I would buy it, when I have a solution to use it with mythtv |
| [01:51:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports use of hardware CI modules |
| [01:52:20] | coolblue: | is it compatible with Smargo SmartReader via USB ? |
| [01:52:51] | wagnerrp: | dont know, we cant use anything like that over here in the states |
| [01:53:34] | wagnerrp: | conditional access isnt good enough for our providers, we need full blown DRM over here |
| [01:53:38] | coolblue: | no problem… you have HDTV with MPEG2 or is it switched over to H.264 ? |
| [01:53:45] | wagnerrp: | all mpeg2 |
| [01:54:06] | wagnerrp: | technically ATSC supports h264, but there are no devices that could decode it, so no one broadcasts it |
| [01:55:05] | coolblue: | HD+ in Germany is a think like DRM, too.. The senders could say if you must see the advertisment and they could say if you can record it.. and so on... |
| [01:55:42] | coolblue: | there are enough hardware that supports h264… order it from the EU :-) |
| [01:56:45] | wagnerrp: | ah yes... CI+ |
| [01:56:48] | wagnerrp: | no go with that one |
| [01:57:36] | wagnerrp: | youve got the same problem as us... external STB and HDPVR |
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| [01:58:10] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, which is clunky. |
| [01:58:17] | coolblue: | parallel with the chat I have read in germanys streamboard and it could eventually work with smargo smartreader |
| [01:58:30] | noisymouse_: | ugh, cannot edit channels while watching them any more? |
| [01:58:41] | wagnerrp: | CI was just a basic CAM, limited you to recording content you were authorized to |
| [01:58:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Noisymouse, apparently not. I haven't seen that feature in a bit |
| [01:58:55] | wagnerrp: | CI+ is DRM, restricts the content after you have recorded it |
| [01:58:57] | noisymouse_: | that's annoying |
| [01:59:08] | noisymouse_: | I guess I can use phpmyadmin while watching at least |
| [01:59:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will only pass unencrypted content to an authorized device |
| [01:59:25] | wagnerrp: | noisymouse_: better to use mythweb |
| [02:00:09] | coolblue: | drm sucks… because I will see free-TV… the basic encryption sucks… no paytv illegal hack or so.. only free tv :-( |
| [02:00:16] | Beirdo: | mmmmm, iced coffee |
| [02:00:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, DRM sucks, it only exists to lock out the paying subscriber |
| [02:01:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, amen |
| [02:01:35] | noisymouse_: | wagnerrp: oh nvm, my frontend was just erroring out, I can edit while watching |
| [02:01:40] | coolblue: | they earn enough money with advertisment.. there is no logic to do a basic encryption over satelite |
| [02:01:55] | Beirdo: | DRM -> Don't Read Me |
| [02:02:01] | coolblue: | hihi |
| [02:02:40] | kormoc: | coolblue, so start your own company and do it right |
| [02:02:48] | coolblue: | yeah :-) |
| [02:03:42] | coolblue: | Can I see the bitrate and the resolution of a livetv channel? |
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| [02:07:28] | coolblue: | its late… 4 am.. i will go to bed.. goodnight |
| [02:07:36] | dsfwea23: | hey all, can mythtv FE -> BE work across subnets? |
| [02:08:37] | dsfwea23: | I thought I saw in the logs it was using upnp, which IIRC doesn't work across subnets. :-/ |
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| [02:14:45] | upgrdman: | i got everything working with mythtv and my pchdtv3000 tuner, played with some setting, restarted, and now i cant watch tv :( stupid me. i don't know what i messed up. i get this error: TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started ... and i can scan for channels successfully so the tuner seems to be working fine, i just cant watch tv |
| [02:14:59] | sphery: | which you seem to have just found :) |
| [02:15:11] | upgrdman: | :) |
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| [02:15:37] | sphery: | upgrdman: my recommendation is to go to Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen and change the Playback Profile group to Slim |
| [02:16:01] | upgrdman: | the only thing i can think of that i changed was the directories to save stuff to. i set it to /data/mythtv which is on my 2TB drive... and that directory has 777 permissions so i dont think that should be a problem |
| [02:16:03] | sphery: | if that doesn't help, we'll need to see mythbackend log output |
| [02:16:13] | upgrdman: | ok, i will try |
| [02:16:31] | sphery: | oh, and please use pastebin.com for the log output :) |
| [02:18:35] | upgrdman: | changed to slim, still not working :( |
| [02:18:47] | upgrdman: | where is my myth log? |
| [02:18:57] | sphery: | probably /var/log or /var/log/mythtv directory |
| [02:18:59] | wagnerrp: | usually /var/log or /var/log/mythtv |
| [02:19:09] | sphery: | wow, I was first! :D |
| [02:19:21] | upgrdman: | :) which log, frontend? |
| [02:19:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i just sat down |
| [02:19:28] | sphery: | mythbackend first |
| [02:19:49] | sphery: | yeah, that's the only way I can win... when you give me a head start |
| [02:20:26] | upgrdman: | backend log: |
| [02:20:27] | upgrdman: | http://pastebin.com/gHwbd4zm |
| [02:20:52] | wagnerrp: | you have no capture cards |
| [02:20:55] | upgrdman: | hum, line 14 the problem? |
| [02:21:00] | upgrdman: | just noticed. |
| [02:21:03] | wagnerrp: | 35 |
| [02:21:04] | sphery: | we're way below that |
| [02:21:06] | upgrdman: | weird, i just scanned channels too |
| [02:21:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 14 too |
| [02:21:13] | sphery: | 4513 is the first line of the latest run |
| [02:21:26] | sphery: | you're definitely using a broken Storage Groups configuration |
| [02:21:36] | sphery: | 2010-06–09 19:13:23.545 AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty |
| [02:21:43] | sphery: | L4533 |
| [02:21:45] | wagnerrp: | file permissions |
| [02:21:52] | sphery: | TFW, Error: Opening file '/data/mythtv/1051_20100609191333.mpg'. |
| [02:21:58] | sphery: | eno: Permission denied (13) |
| [02:22:02] | wagnerrp: | either the directory doesnt exist, or the backend doesnt have write access |
| [02:22:03] | upgrdman: | drwxrwxrwx 2 upgrdman upgrdman 4096 2010-06–09 19:10 mythtv |
| [02:22:06] | sphery: | yeah--see, you were first |
| [02:22:10] | upgrdman: | that is /data/mythtv |
| [02:22:33] | upgrdman: | and that dir is currently empty |
| [02:22:36] | sphery: | upgrdman: ls -ld /data |
| [02:22:51] | upgrdman: | upgrdman@Farrell:~$ ls -ld /data |
| [02:22:51] | upgrdman: | drwx------ 21 upgrdman upgrdman 4096 2010-06–08 22:25 /data |
| [02:22:57] | wagnerrp: | theres the problem |
| [02:22:57] | sphery: | that's likely the problem |
| [02:23:02] | upgrdman: | ? |
| [02:23:06] | sphery: | sudo chmod 755 /data |
| [02:23:08] | wagnerrp: | you need execute access for anyone who wants to be able to enter that directory |
| [02:23:14] | wagnerrp: | thats the 'x' |
| [02:23:16] | upgrdman: | o |
| [02:23:34] | upgrdman: | so the perms for /data/mythtv dont matter if the perms for /data are too restrictive? |
| [02:23:38] | sphery: | so unless you're running mythbackend as upgrdman, it can't even get to /data/mythtv --let alone try to create a file in that |
| [02:23:53] | upgrdman: | oh |
| [02:23:55] | sphery: | exactly... can't use /data/mythtv if you can't even get into /data |
| [02:24:02] | upgrdman: | silly me :) thanks |
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| [02:24:26] | sphery: | y/w... Let us know if you have any other issues |
| [02:24:44] | dsfwea23: | anyone know if mythtv FE can access a BE on another local subnet? Ie BE 10.0.0.1, FE 192.168.1.1 |
| [02:24:53] | upgrdman: | fixed! thanks everyone! |
| [02:25:04] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [02:25:06] | wagnerrp: | dsfwea23: works just fine, if you have proper routing set up |
| [02:25:17] | sphery: | dsfwea23: and sufficient bandwidth |
| [02:25:35] | upgrdman: | one problem i have is mythtv is stuck behind my two gnome panels ... i googled and this seems common |
| [02:25:35] | dsfwea23: | It's lan->wifi (100Mbit N) |
| [02:25:54] | wagnerrp: | wifi doesnt really cut it for streaming video |
| [02:25:59] | sphery: | finally learned my lesson--don't try to type faster than wagnerrp, just type the 2nd part of the response first :) |
| [02:26:01] | upgrdman: | the issues seems to be screen effects but i would prefer not to disable them all, anyone know which one messes myth up |
| [02:26:05] | dsfwea23: | the WAP has a "upnp" setting, but I read that there was problems with subnets |
| [02:26:20] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [02:26:47] | wagnerrp: | the 'UPNP' on your router is intended for programs to request open ports |
| [02:26:51] | sphery: | dsfwea23: we don't use UPnP, but mythbackend advertises itself as a UPnP server for other clients to use |
| [02:26:56] | wagnerrp: | generally when the router is acting as a NAT or firewall |
| [02:27:07] | sphery: | so you don't need UPnP |
| [02:27:10] | dsfwea23: | sphery, ah, I see, just noticed it in the logs when I ran the FE |
| [02:27:56] | sphery: | upgrdman: got a better description of the "screen effects"? is this while using the Slim profile? |
| [02:28:05] | dsfwea23: | I wish I didn't need wifi, but can't run wire. :( |
| [02:28:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i assume he means stuff like Compiz |
| [02:28:48] | sphery: | ahhh.... |
| [02:28:51] | dsfwea23: | is there any settings in myth that can help cope with wifi? Like a larger buffer/etc? |
| [02:28:54] | sphery: | yeah, I'd disable it all |
| [02:28:59] | sphery: | (Compiz) |
| [02:29:57] | upgrdman: | :/ ok |
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| [02:30:40] | upgrdman: | from the program guide, how do i schedule programs? (can i?) |
| [02:31:24] | sphery: | R |
| [02:31:29] | sphery: | or M (MENU) |
| [02:31:49] | sphery: | or, if the show's start is >16min from now, Space/Enter (SELECT) |
| [02:32:21] | sphery: | R requires you to hit multiple times until you've selected the desired rule type (all episodes, single record, etc.) |
| [02:32:27] | sphery: | M is easiest |
| [02:32:35] | sphery: | always works |
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| [02:32:55] | rebeltiger: | hello |
| [02:33:24] | rebeltiger: | helloan anyone tell me if mythtv supports the hauppauge wintv 950 |
| [02:33:32] | rebeltiger: | can* |
| [02:34:38] | upgrdman: | if im not watch tv i can schedule recording and do the options that records all showings of a program whenever it comes on, i can do that through the program guide? |
| [02:34:48] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [02:34:48] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [02:35:05] | rebeltiger: | ty |
| [02:35:11] | wagnerrp: | rebeltiger: you really want the 950Q, rather than the 950 |
| [02:35:22] | rebeltiger: | i have owned 950 for years |
| [02:35:27] | rebeltiger: | unfortunately |
| [02:35:40] | sphery: | upgrdman: you mean where do you find the non-Live-TV program guide? Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide (or something like that) |
| [02:35:56] | upgrdman: | exactly |
| [02:36:10] | upgrdman: | can i do that with watching tv? :) |
| [02:36:38] | sphery: | I'm loving Beirdo's !url stuff... That was much easier than the Ctrl-N followed by linuxtv.org followed by tab (to select the page from history) |
| [02:37:11] | sphery: | upgrdman: OK, so to find the in-Live-TV program guide, hit M (MENU), then find Program Guide |
| [02:37:37] | sphery: | there's another key that goes directly to it--I think S (but M generally lets you find stuff) |
| [02:37:46] | upgrdman: | ya i can get there |
| [02:37:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:37:53] | rebeltiger: | looks like it SHOULD work.... do i need the card attached via usb on boot or should it work just by hotplugging |
| [02:38:24] | upgrdman: | but if i am not watching tv, if i press enter while a show is highlighted i can set recording options. pressing enter while watching tv just retunes to that channel instead of letting me set recording options |
| [02:39:15] | sphery: | upgrdman: yeah, that's what I said above... R, or M (MENU), or, if the show's start is >16min from now, Space/Enter (SELECT). R requires you to hit multiple times until you've selected the desired rule type (all episodes, single record, etc.). M is easiest. always works. |
| [02:39:41] | sphery: | i.e. use M since you've selected something that's currently airing... then find something about Record this Show or whatever |
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| [02:39:57] | sphery: | Schedule Recording... something--should be labelled well enough |
| [02:40:41] | upgrdman: | oh.. i didnt try the edit schedule option. |
| [02:41:00] | sphery: | that's it... sorry--couldn't remember the name |
| [02:41:18] | sphery: | I don't do Live TV, so last time I saw it was when I was fixing a bug in it |
| [02:42:07] | upgrdman: | :) |
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| [02:43:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So, I'm watch the V recap episode, "The Arrival," and Charlie Sheen still hasn't appeared in it? And no Arecibo radio telescope, either. |
| [02:43:29] | wagnerrp: | ive actually seen that movie.... |
| [02:43:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:43:45] | sphery: | yeah, it wsa pretty good |
| [02:43:53] | Beirdo: | I've been to the radio observatory... twice |
| [02:44:00] | sphery: | I'm jealous |
| [02:44:17] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Beirdo, did you spot any alien radio waves? |
| [02:44:20] | Beirdo: | and commuted within a few miles of it daily for almost 2 years |
| [02:44:22] | wagnerrp: | did you get to slide down the side? |
| [02:44:29] | Beirdo: | hehe, no and no |
| [02:44:40] | sphery: | all I've done is 5000 classic work units and almost 2.5M BOINC credits for them |
| [02:44:55] | sphery: | and they never even invited me for a visit |
| [02:45:08] | sphery: | all I got was this lousy electric bill |
| [02:45:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Jeepers... vdpau is very unforgiving when it comes to atsc signal issues... |
| [02:45:53] | sphery: | yes, that happens when you're decoding real-world garbage in a kernel driver |
| [02:45:57] | sphery: | and hardware |
| [02:46:38] | sphery: | but, hey, it's cool that we got the option--just as soon as it was no longer required :) |
| [02:46:48] | upgrdman: | are the themes for download on the mythtv site the same ones that come with mythtv? |
| [02:47:04] | sphery: | upgrdman: did you use a package manager to install? |
| [02:47:13] | wagnerrp: | most of them are available in the myththemes directory |
| [02:47:25] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple additional 3rd party ones linked there |
| [02:47:26] | upgrdman: | ya, ubuntu's |
| [02:47:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Hehehe... I hate to say it, but perhaps we need "another' option to only feed vdpau stuff that's not mpeg2... ;-) |
| [02:47:35] | sphery: | if so, then as long as you have mythtv and myththemes packages, you probably have all of them that are available in MythTV's source distro |
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| [02:48:38] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, the idea of adding a CODEC criteria to the Playback Profiles has been floated--unfortunately, it's still not come to the top of anyone's TODO, yet |
| [02:48:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | understood. ;-) |
| [02:49:11] | sphery: | (but patched greatly appreciated ;) |
| [02:49:13] | wagnerrp: | just think of how complex those things would grow |
| [02:49:14] | dsfwea23: | I've got a problem with mythtv locking up ( http://pastebin.com/XExmSKpG ) It locks up when I try to play any of the chapters, dvd menus work though. The same DVD works on other mythth FE. |
| [02:49:15] | sphery: | er, patches |
| [02:49:29] | wagnerrp: | would almost require the web setup to do properly |
| [02:49:52] | upgrdman: | whats the diff between ui and osd themes? |
| [02:49:53] | sphery: | dsfwea23: you almost definitely need to upgrade to current 0.23-fixes... What's the output of: mythbackend --version |
| [02:50:01] | wagnerrp: | the UI is the user interface |
| [02:50:03] | sphery: | upgrdman: OSD themes are during playback |
| [02:50:07] | sphery: | heh, part 2 :) |
| [02:50:20] | upgrdman: | 1 theme does not cover both? ok |
| [02:50:34] | sphery: | upgrdman: not yet! :) In 0.24, it will be a combined theme |
| [02:50:42] | upgrdman: | cool |
| [02:50:51] | sphery: | adding more consistency |
| [02:50:54] | wagnerrp: | is it actually a combined theme? or does the UI theme just suggest an OSD theme? |
| [02:51:13] | sphery: | combined--no more OSD theme option |
| [02:51:17] | dsfwea23: | sphery, http://pastebin.com/Xd8fhkLF |
| [02:51:49] | dsfwea23: | sphery, using ubuntu 10.04 and 0.23-fixes |
| [02:52:03] | sphery: | hmmm... that's relatively new. I don't remember when the DVD fixes went in |
| [02:52:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | What other excitement should I be hoping for in 0.24? |
| [02:52:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | HD audio. |
| [02:52:23] | dsfwea23: | FE: MythTV Version : 24879 |
| [02:52:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | ie: much better/full HD audio support. |
| [02:53:07] | sphery: | dsfwea23: I'm not sure what it could be, then |
| [02:53:08] | dsfwea23: | I have the auto builds on the FE with 24879, but another FE with 24158 works |
| [02:53:27] | sphery: | so 24879 doesn't work, but 24158 does? |
| [02:53:27] | kormoc: | GadgetWisdomGuru, Faster, less memory using mythweb with a new skin that (if I do say so myself) looks sharp and a cache engine |
| [02:53:30] | sphery: | same disc and all? |
| [02:53:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | GadgetWisdomGuru: bulk metadata update in mythvideo... lots of great stuff. |
| [02:53:46] | wagnerrp: | previously, mythtv could play HD audio codecs (or the lesser core stream contained within them), now mythtv will actually output at high frequency and bitlevel |
| [02:53:56] | sphery: | GadgetWisdomGuru: lots of good MythWeb stuff--including an awesome new skin and caching support |
| [02:54:15] | dsfwea23: | sphery, yes. I have hundreds of DVDs that work on the "problem" FE, only stargate season 2 DVDs have problems. |
| [02:54:16] | wagnerrp: | the caching make it several times faster |
| [02:54:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Much excitement. |
| [02:54:48] | sphery: | I have Stargate Season 2 DVD's, but don't have MythTV set up to be able to play them |
| [02:54:49] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Caching makes sense though. The data doesn't change that much on upcoming recordings or recorded programs. |
| [02:55:03] | sphery: | great show, btw (whichever Stargate show you're talking about) |
| [02:55:13] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: its more that mythweb no longer has to reprocess the whole group on each request |
| [02:55:28] | wagnerrp: | within a certain amount of time, it simply pulls the cache |
| [02:55:32] | wagnerrp: | its still all server side |
| [02:55:33] | dsfwea23: | I'm playing them via NFS and mythvideo if it mattes. Both FE are using VDPAU, and ubuntu 10.04. |
| [02:55:52] | sphery: | dsfwea23: and no storage groups? |
| [02:56:09] | dsfwea23: | sphery, only for TV, dvds are all done via NFS since they are all ISOs |
| [02:56:10] | kormoc: | GadgetWisdomGuru, mythweb wasn't written originally with caching in mind, it's taken a lot of work to get it into a state where we can cache things without having it explode, we're finally there :) |
| [02:56:21] | sphery: | dsfwea23: hmmm... I don't know, then |
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| [02:56:31] | sphery: | might need tweaks for that DVD set |
| [02:56:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, if you, in theory, only spur an update to the cached version when something in the schedule changes, then you could reduce that even more. |
| [02:56:54] | dsfwea23: | sphery, tweaks? |
| [02:57:04] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But I've never looked how the scheduling system works in that regard? |
| [02:57:09] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: that would require a resident daemon to listen for updates from the backend and update the cache |
| [02:57:18] | sphery: | yeah, the DVD may be doing something that we don't handle, so MythTV's Internal player may need some fixes for it |
| [02:57:39] | dsfwea23: | sphery, seems very odd that the newer fixes doesn't work and the old one does. |
| [02:57:42] | sphery: | and who wants to invite a daemon to reside in their system? |
| [02:57:45] | wagnerrp: | dsfwea23: is this trunk or fixes? |
| [02:57:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, didn't MythTV just get an event system? Why does it need a daemon? |
| [02:58:00] | sphery: | dsfwea23: yeah... forgot that (it's getting late here :) |
| [02:58:05] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I'm speaking theoretically. I've never looked at most of the Myth code. |
| [02:58:06] | sphery: | so, might just be a bug |
| [02:58:06] | dsfwea23: | wagnerrp, MythTV Version : 24879 |
| [02:58:13] | sphery: | or could be a config issue... |
| [02:58:13] | wagnerrp: | dsfwea23: is this trunk or fixes? |
| [02:58:23] | sphery: | but either way, I don't have any guesses |
| [02:58:27] | dsfwea23: | wagnerrp, fixes |
| [02:58:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/Xd8fhkLF |
| [02:58:36] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: the event system just lets you run commands when something happens |
| [02:58:46] | wagnerrp: | in order for something to update apache's shared memory cache |
| [02:59:01] | wagnerrp: | you would need apache to spawn a thread to listen on the socket for events and update accordingly |
| [02:59:21] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, it is Apache's memory cache? I thought the caching was creating static pages. |
| [02:59:23] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Never mind. |
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| [02:59:38] | wagnerrp: | no, its an object cache, not a page cache |
| [02:59:43] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Okay. |
| [02:59:59] | wagnerrp: | prevents mythweb from having to pull the whole set of content from the backend and process it |
| [03:00:07] | sphery: | PHP's APC |
| [03:00:16] | kormoc: | GadgetWisdomGuru, we support multiple engines, APC, SHM, and two forms of memcache, people can write new ones really easily but APC is the recommended one |
| [03:00:18] | sphery: | http://pecl.php.net/package/APC |
| [03:00:26] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Never mind then. I misunderstood the design |
| [03:00:30] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I thought it was static page caching |
| [03:01:31] | sphery: | OK, I hate to say it, but FOSS projects where the actual repository (or at least commit messages) aren't publically available is annoying. |
| [03:01:40] | sphery: | and, yes, I'm talking to you, Nokia |
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| [03:02:08] | dsfwea23: | I guess I'll try another autobuild version. :-/ |
| [03:04:26] | sphery: | dsfwea23: might be the same as http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8537 |
| [03:04:49] | dsfwea23: | another problem I had with this FE is the exit & shutdown stopped working. Exit works, but shutdown doesn't. I can't seem to find the options in the config to make sure it's still running sudo shutdown... |
| [03:05:06] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, that is that stupid copy protection thing whose name escapes me, isn't it? |
| [03:05:42] | wagnerrp: | if theyre FOSS, there should be no copy protection |
| [03:06:09] | kormoc: | Anyone running -trunk mythweb, I'm 20% sure that [25070] has regressions in it, so let me know if you find any |
| [03:06:19] | sphery: | dsfwea23: yeah, that got broken by some changes that Mythbuntu wanted--they wanted http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7749 , it went in, then http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8160 happened , so now http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8291 |
| [03:06:29] | dsfwea23: | sphery, it's region 4 disc, and it never exits, it just goes black screen and I have to kill mythfrontend.real |
| [03:06:55] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Up in the Air isn't FOSS. |
| [03:07:29] | dsfwea23: | ah, so that's at least one problem solved. =) |
| [03:08:08] | sphery: | dsfwea23: so go into Utilities/Setup|Setup|General and change "Halt command" to empty (assuming you're using *buntu) |
| [03:08:54] | dsfwea23: | sphery, I'm updating, but that was the first place I tried to look. But it seemed like the option was missing in my version. Was there before since I changed it and was using it before an update. |
| [03:09:06] | sphery: | GadgetWisdomGuru: Up In the Air is using one of the "not-a-spec-compliant-DVD" DRM schemes? |
| [03:09:54] | sphery: | GadgetWisdomGuru: like, maybe ARccOS or something? |
| [03:09:56] | dsfwea23: | installing 0.23.0+fixes25065 now. fingers crossed. :) |
| [03:10:19] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, that was the name |
| [03:10:26] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I couldn't remember the acronym. |
| [03:10:27] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I think it is |
| [03:10:39] | sphery: | if so, then we likely can't do anything about it... |
| [03:11:01] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Most likely. |
| [03:11:21] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I got rid of my hardware DVD player and had to bring one back because of those stupid protections |
| [03:11:25] | sphery: | heh, lots of threads on the 'net about how people have problems ripping it |
| [03:11:35] | sphery: | yeah, hardware player is the way to go |
| [03:11:50] | sphery: | also means I don't have to commit a federal felony offense (stupid DMCA) |
| [03:12:14] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, I just bought a $70 blu-ray player at the supermarket. So I'm future proofed. |
| [03:12:34] | sphery: | nice |
| [03:12:56] | sphery: | assuming that the vendor of the blu-ray play keeps updating the firmware for new blu-ray keys, that is ;) |
| [03:13:03] | sphery: | stupid blu-ray DRM |
| [03:13:44] | dsfwea23: | isn't there a mdk ripper for Linux out? |
| [03:13:51] | wagnerrp: | mdk? |
| [03:14:10] | dsfwea23: | sorry, mkv |
| [03:14:15] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, I agree about the DRM. |
| [03:14:24] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But I realized that afterward |
| [03:14:28] | wagnerrp: | what does mkv have to do with ripping anything? |
| [03:14:29] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I should have gone for a name brand |
| [03:14:43] | sphery: | GadgetWisdomGuru: yeah, looks like it's DRM in Up in the Air |
| [03:14:47] | sphery: | thanks--I'll update the ticket |
| [03:14:54] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | There's a blu-ray ripper that has mkv in the name |
| [03:15:00] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Sphery, I remember because I rented it. |
| [03:15:01] | wagnerrp: | make_mkv |
| [03:15:05] | dsfwea23: | wagnerrp, they were talking about blu-ray |
| [03:15:36] | wagnerrp: | ripping bluray and multiplexing mkvs are two completely separate and unrelated tasks |
| [03:15:49] | wagnerrp: | the fact that one software does both is irrelevant |
| [03:15:50] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Yes |
| [03:16:09] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But, I'm resigned to the fact blu-ray isn't yet practical for ripping anyway |
| [03:16:15] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [03:16:16] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | 20–40GB a pop |
| [03:16:18] | Beirdo: | I hate Windows |
| [03:16:19] | wagnerrp: | so |
| [03:16:31] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | How many blu-rays are you going to rip? |
| [03:16:37] | wagnerrp: | couple hundred? |
| [03:16:38] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I know people who have hundreds of movies. |
| [03:16:59] | dsfwea23: | I have over 300 dvds, but not blu ray. :) |
| [03:16:59] | kormoc: | sphery, Power Priority looks like it's a static priority? |
| [03:17:12] | wagnerrp: | youre talking maybe $1.50-$2.00/disk for hard drive storage |
| [03:17:40] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | That is on top of the cost of the Blu-ray. |
| [03:17:55] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Do people really rip their whole collection? |
| [03:18:01] | wagnerrp: | add in a BR-ROM, and a ripper |
| [03:18:04] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I only rip favorites. |
| [03:18:05] | sphery: | kormoc: really? ... :( |
| [03:18:11] | wagnerrp: | its really not a significant price in the grand scheme of things |
| [03:18:16] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah |
| [03:18:33] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, no. But is there a significant benefit achieved by the cost? |
| [03:18:44] | wagnerrp: | ive got all 40 or so HDDVDs on hard drive |
| [03:18:57] | kormoc: | sphery, that said, we could extend it to be dynamic.... |
| [03:18:57] | wagnerrp: | GadgetWisdomGuru: sure, its available right now, anywhere in your house |
| [03:19:10] | wagnerrp: | what significant benefit is there for ripping your DVD collection? |
| [03:20:04] | sphery: | kormoc: agreed... wouldn't be too difficult |
| [03:20:06] | mcl0vin: | wagnerrp: can you show me again please how to add extra file type for mythtv to play |
| [03:20:29] | sphery: | kormoc: I see what you mean, though--you want the actual priority modification to be dynamic (as well as the matching). |
| [03:20:35] | kormoc: | sphery, aye |
| [03:20:48] | sphery: | so, yeah, it needs updated |
| [03:21:03] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | Wagnerrp, I have a database of what I have so I can find it. I honestly am not sure I'd rip my whole collection, which consists of 128 items...some of which are box sets. |
| [03:21:13] | wagnerrp: | setup --> setup --> media settings --> video settings --> file types |
| [03:21:13] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | But this is opinion |
| [03:21:15] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | What works for me |
| [03:21:31] | sphery: | kormoc: I'd have to think for a while to come up with a good way of doing it. Do you have any ideas? |
| [03:21:44] | mcl0vin: | wagnerrp: thank you |
| [03:22:30] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm reading the code now and shall ponder |
| [03:22:38] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | I have too many movies I haven't watched |
| [03:22:45] | GadgetWisdomGuru: | When I got a free month of HBO, I cached dozens |
| [03:22:51] | kormoc: | sphery, but I'm guessing just add another text that is run per match on the match-sql result set |
| [03:22:52] | sphery: | Yeah, I was thinking from a UI perspective... |
| [03:23:01] | kormoc: | sphery, ahh, just another sql field |
| [03:23:07] | dsfwea23: | sphery, good news, the 25065 fixed the dvd. yay... I still can't find the halt command in the setup/general area. |
| [03:23:17] | sphery: | kormoc: so compute the offset in SQL? |
| [03:23:23] | sphery: | dsfwea23: nice... glad you tried the update |
| [03:23:28] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, and require that it be a int, added |
| [03:23:38] | sphery: | dsfwea23: and you're in mythfrontend settings? |
| [03:23:40] | dsfwea23: | sphery, the halt command is still there right? |
| [03:24:02] | dsfwea23: | sphery, I'm on the FE, I went to setup or settings, then general |
| [03:24:13] | kormoc: | sphery, or perhaps not added, actual priority, as they can request the priority already and use that in their calc |
| [03:24:33] | upgrdman: | i have a "streamzap" ir remote and it seems like its linux friendly. dmesg shows it as being registed with lirc. do i need some program to setup my remote, or is that done in mythtv? |
| [03:24:48] | sphery: | dsfwea23: yeah, Utilities/Setup|Setup|General, bunch of screens in on one called, "Program Exit" in a box labelled "Shutdown/Reboot Settings" |
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| [03:25:42] | jams: | for what it's worth ignyte does plan on fixing the showtimes missing problem. |
| [03:26:09] | sphery: | kormoc: cool... I think the to-be-added would be easiest for users, though--since they could just submit "1" or "12" or "-5" as a valid int (don't need to know SQL) |
| [03:26:27] | sphery: | jams: heh, now they tell us :) |
| [03:26:47] | kormoc: | sphery, agreed :) |
| [03:26:49] | jams: | guy said it could be a few months but it will be fixed |
| [03:26:58] | sphery: | upgrdman: I think Mythbuntu uses the Mythbuntu Control Center to configure remotes |
| [03:27:02] | dsfwea23: | sphery, I only see "customize exit options", it's not there anymore. It was before because I changed it to use sudo |
| [03:27:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ^^^ "<+jams> for what it's worth ignyte does plan on fixing the showtimes missing problem." |
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| [03:27:41] | sphery: | don't know that it's worth bringing back MythMovies, though |
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| [03:27:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery, jams: for what its worth, ignyte has proven to be unreliable at best |
| [03:28:01] | sphery: | I know I never used it (other than to see how it worked) |
| [03:28:20] | wagnerrp: | looking at their site and what they do, i dont even understand why they ran that service in the first place, or where they got the data |
| [03:28:30] | sphery: | yeah. I think there were some ToS-violating scripts using things like Google, instead, that users were passing around |
| [03:28:32] | jams: | unreliable? it's been top notch here |
| [03:28:50] | wagnerrp: | three times in the past year that theyve gone down for extended periods |
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| [03:29:54] | sphery: | jams: do you actually use it through MythMovies? |
| [03:30:18] | jams: | yep |
| [03:30:41] | sphery: | I really thought that most MythTV users would have enough computers with real web browsers or iPhones/Androids or iPads or handhelds available that they'd use them rather than turn on the TV to find when movies play |
| [03:31:04] | dsfwea23: | sphery, I just used mythweb to check, and the "halt command" is correct |
| [03:31:07] | sphery: | xr is mentioned that he thought it would be a natural addition to MythWeb, instead of mythfrontend |
| [03:31:12] | sphery: | dsfwea23: it has to be blank |
| [03:31:27] | sphery: | dsfwea23: since your system uses DBus to shut down |
| [03:31:42] | dsfwea23: | sphery, oh, then the upgrade removed the setting from the menus. :p |
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| [03:31:56] | dsfwea23: | sphery, should have blanked it too. |
| [03:32:16] | dsfwea23: | should I set it to nothing, or delete the setting? |
| [03:32:37] | jams: | used it almost every week. Wife wants to know what movies are playing, so it's very easy to check showtimes as we eat lunch/breakfast while watching tv. |
| [03:32:50] | sphery: | dsfwea23: yeah, you're right... it seems it was completely removed for 0.23 because of the "auto" stuff. |
| [03:33:15] | sphery: | jams: huh, cool... it wouldn't be that hard to bring back |
| [03:33:51] | sphery: | hardest part is finding someone to maintain it :) (and, really, I think one of the reasons why it was deleted was because it really needed a rewrite-type fixing) |
| [03:34:15] | sphery: | dsfwea23: set it to nothing (empty string) |
| [03:34:43] | jams: | I will probably keep it around for my own personal usage |
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| [03:35:01] | sphery: | dsfwea23: same for RebootCommand |
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| [03:37:06] | dsfwea23: | sphery, I set both to blank using mythweb, with the FE shutdown, then ran it after saving settings, still can't shutdown |
| [03:37:15] | dsfwea23: | it just returns to the myth main menu |
| [03:37:42] | sphery: | dsfwea23: might need to restart for it to pick up the changes--yeah, I realize the irony |
| [03:38:11] | dsfwea23: | sphery, I did exit and restart myth... it wasn't running when I made the changes |
| [03:38:22] | dsfwea23: | unless you mean the system |
| [03:38:31] | sphery: | restart both the frontend and backend |
| [03:38:37] | sphery: | (on the host) |
| [03:38:44] | sphery: | assumign you're running both |
| [03:38:50] | dsfwea23: | nobody88, just FE on this host |
| [03:39:05] | dsfwea23: | oops, no not nobody88 |
| [03:39:05] | sphery: | hmmm... don't know, then |
| [03:39:24] | sphery: | I do that all the time, too--autocomplete regular words |
| [03:40:25] | dsfwea23: | well, until it's fixed in myth, is there a way I could map "power" on my MCE remote to run shutdown outside myth? |
| [03:40:47] | sphery: | irexec ? |
| [03:41:00] | sphery: | but the mythbuntu guys may know exactly what you need to do to make it work in myth |
| [03:41:07] | sphery: | i.e. in #mythbuntu |
| [03:42:07] | dsfwea23: | does the shutdown work for you? |
| [03:43:47] | sphery: | I don't use it |
| [03:44:02] | sphery: | my mythtv user doesn't have permission to shut down the system |
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| [03:52:46] | mcl0vin: | when i go to watch videos, it show no no file found |
| [03:53:08] | mcl0vin: | i put my videos in /var/lib/mythtv/videos |
| [03:53:10] | sphery: | M|Scan for Videos |
| [03:53:28] | mcl0vin: | how do i do that please |
| [03:53:41] | sphery: | hit M |
| [03:53:45] | sphery: | then Scan for Videos |
| [03:54:03] | mcl0vin: | hit m where? |
| [03:54:13] | sphery: | in mythvideo |
| [03:54:18] | sphery: | on the page that says no file found |
| [03:54:19] | mcl0vin: | oh okay |
| [03:54:36] | mcl0vin: | then scan for changes |
| [03:54:43] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [03:55:24] | mcl0vin: | cool cool |
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| [03:56:57] | wagnerrp: | seems ive managed to kill my backend over XML |
| [03:57:16] | sphery: | nice |
| [03:57:28] | sphery: | sent a bad request? |
| [03:57:47] | wagnerrp: | bad request that used to work |
| [03:57:54] | sphery: | wow |
| [03:58:03] | wagnerrp: | 'Myth/GetRecorded' |
| [03:58:46] | wagnerrp: | same call works fine on my -fixes backend |
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| [03:59:08] | mcl0vin: | wagnerrp: how do i edit the avatars |
| [03:59:22] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [03:59:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe the space vs backend separator issues ([]:[]) |
| [04:00:00] | mcl0vin: | like to add movie front cover and titles |
| [04:00:08] | wagnerrp: | it was over mythxml, no separator to speak of |
| [04:00:13] | wagnerrp: | 'w' |
| [04:00:32] | sphery: | heh, yeah, just figured that out |
| [04:00:32] | wagnerrp: | no errors in the backend log |
| [04:00:36] | sphery: | I should really go to sleep |
| [04:00:40] | wagnerrp: | no segfault in the system logs |
| [04:00:55] | wagnerrp: | oh, no... i did get a sig11 |
| [04:01:30] | sphery: | was just about to ask if it actually died or if you just killed the HTTP server |
| [04:01:36] | wagnerrp: | lets see if i can find a core somewhere |
| [04:01:43] | sphery: | wanna get a bt... yea |
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| [04:03:13] | wagnerrp: | hitting the webpage directly works fine |
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| [04:03:31] | wagnerrp: | no core found |
| [04:03:39] | sphery: | strange |
| [04:04:06] | wagnerrp: | and there it is, i segfaulted again |
| [04:04:13] | ** wagnerrp adds additional logging to the bindings ** | |
| [04:05:35] | wagnerrp: | what should that be? network? socket? |
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| [04:05:46] | wagnerrp: | we need an XML log value |
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| [04:10:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: could you try to pull up http://<your myth ip>:6544/Myth/GetExpiring ? |
| [04:13:02] | wagnerrp: | or anyone else around who is running trunk... ^^^ |
| [04:14:30] | sphery: | I get a Connection Interrupted in the browser, but no SEGV |
| [04:15:00] | sphery: | er, I was using https... oops |
| [04:15:15] | sphery: | yeah, that seemed to segv--let me grab a trace |
| [04:15:27] | wagnerrp: | ive got a trace |
| [04:15:45] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know how to do the full (multithreaded) trace, or if its really needed |
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| [04:24:18] | sphery: | yeah, it's a null pointer issue |
| [04:24:29] | sphery: | AutoExpire is null |
| [04:24:56] | sphery: | m_pExpirer (which was set to expirer, which is extern AutoExpire *expirer; |
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| [04:25:38] | wagnerrp: | man... how can i try to test the bindings for regressions when the backend wont even function.... |
| [04:30:37] | upgrdman: | mythtv works with my lirc remote perfectly, but does anyone know how I can make the remote's power button start or stop mythfrontend? |
| [04:31:06] | wagnerrp: | irexec |
| [04:31:24] | sphery: | mythbackend --printexpire works, so there is a valid expirer |
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| [04:45:37] | quietone: | how do I (can I?) use ubuntu as a DLNA server? |
| [04:46:07] | wagnerrp: | you currently use mythtv? |
| [04:47:16] | quietone: | wagnerrp, no, I am not yet ready to do that. just noticed my TV has this capability so I thought I would have a go. All wired up and it is looking for a server. |
| [04:47:55] | wagnerrp: | this channel is for user support for people running mythtv |
| [04:48:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has its own DLNA sever |
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| [04:48:47] | quietone: | wagnerrp, does it have a name? maybe I could just install that and try? |
| [04:48:56] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv' |
| [04:49:21] | wagnerrp: | the DLNA server is incorporated into the backend |
| [04:49:22] | quietone: | wagnerrp, ah. and all or nothing deal. (and I did ask at #ubuntu) |
| [04:49:51] | wagnerrp: | for a general purpose server, you might try mediatomb or fuppes |
| [04:52:10] | quietone: | wagnerrp, thanks for giving me a place to try. I'll do that. |
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| [05:37:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I won't be able to fix the segfault tonight... I'm falling asleep while trying to read the code. |
| [05:37:23] | [R]: | sphery: more red bull! |
| [05:37:25] | sphery: | for some reason since [24030], the global expirer isn't being updated |
| [05:37:30] | wagnerrp: | no rush, ive just disabled that for now |
| [05:37:43] | wagnerrp: | is that some left over bits from the programinfo refactor? |
| [05:37:55] | sphery: | I can make it so it doesn't segfault, but you'll always get an empty list from MythXML |
| [05:38:06] | sphery: | no, from the mythbackend breakup |
| [05:38:26] | wagnerrp: | breakup? |
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| [05:38:28] | sphery: | (broken into mythbackend, mythbackend/main_helpers.cpp, backendcontext, ...) |
| [05:38:41] | Beirdo: | BLARGH |
| [05:38:41] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [05:38:44] | sphery: | from one big main.cpp to a smaller pieces |
| [05:38:53] | Beirdo: | I can't find my barcode reader in the boxes |
| [05:38:56] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [05:39:01] | sphery: | a scancat? |
| [05:39:05] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:39:07] | wagnerrp: | (ive not been following that closely this time around) |
| [05:39:07] | Beirdo: | a real one :) |
| [05:39:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:39:50] | Beirdo: | it shows up as a USB keyboard... and cost about $250 like 6 years back |
| [05:39:55] | sphery: | er, CueCat |
| [05:40:00] | sphery: | I never remember that name |
| [05:40:12] | Beirdo: | those things are toys :) |
| [05:40:16] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:40:30] | Beirdo: | anyways... I'm sure it's buried in the box of cables or something |
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| [05:43:36] | Beirdo: | found the film scanner though |
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| [06:16:32] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [06:16:33] | Beirdo: | found it |
| [06:17:02] | Beirdo: | Derek Holland, Tex sphery 5/23/2010 0 $5 $10 |
| [06:17:15] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [06:17:23] | Beirdo: | what the heck |
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| [06:25:47] | justinh: | whee much happier now my site is on the new host proper. it's way faster than before |
| [06:25:59] | justinh: | probably worth all the hassle after all :) |
| [06:29:53] | Beirdo: | heh, let's hope so |
| [06:33:04] | justinh: | mail seems to be working properly too, which is surprising since I didn't do anything about it |
| [06:33:12] | kormoc: | sphery, removing the on-disk temp tables for my box takes rescheduling from 12 seconds to 9 |
| [06:33:26] | kormoc: | FYI |
| [06:33:42] | Beirdo: | nice work |
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| [06:36:35] | justinh: | since i moved my backend to better hardware the scheduling is much faster. the old backend would sit there for minutes at a time when you asked something to record saying "single record – not listed". very annoying |
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| [06:38:22] | mcl0vin: | would like to ask for your opinion guys...whats your take on setting up a network drive to work with mythtv |
| [06:39:04] | justinh: | set it up.. mount it on the backend. add mount point to a storage group.. badabing |
| [06:39:45] | justinh: | mind you from my perspective there'd have to be a good reason to use a network drive rather than a local one.. like you've run out of physical space or ports in the backend |
| [06:40:52] | justinh: | if it's a ready made network disk you're going for I'd say make sure it does something other than just samba |
| [06:41:40] | justinh: | samba doesn't perform as well as NFS. In my experience NFS adds very little overhead at all. Unlike samba |
| [06:45:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh, I just unpacked the old myth box |
| [06:45:16] | Beirdo: | it looks to be in just about perfect condition, but still underpowered :) |
| [06:45:40] | Beirdo: | but it will make for an OK backend short-term, I guess... |
| [06:45:52] | Beirdo: | needs a LOT more memory though |
| [06:46:14] | Beirdo: | and I'll need a buttload more disk :) |
| [06:46:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:46:26] | Beirdo: | but whatever, something to play with later |
| [06:46:43] | justinh: | doh on my 'applause' page of posts I could've just made a sticky instead of hard-coding text into the page template |
| [06:47:09] | justinh: | need to set to work developing the online membership application & database soon |
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| [06:50:32] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, there, more pages should match the overall style in clean_blue |
| [06:51:12] | mcl0vin: | justinh: well the reason is i am running mythtv on an AMD 64 with 2GB ram, primary disk is 20GB and secondary 80GB ...so i thought to use my 1TB network disk |
| [06:51:28] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:51:41] | kormoc: | that's like clever level disks there |
| [06:51:43] | justinh: | heh fwiw I'd just buy a couple of 1TB HDDs & slap em in there |
| [06:52:00] | mcl0vin: | but now i think about it, i will need to use an N-wireless card and router which i don't have |
| [06:52:15] | justinh: | over wireless?! NO. Absolutely never |
| [06:52:20] | mcl0vin: | kormoc: yep that what i am leaning too |
| [06:52:32] | mcl0vin: | justinh: why? |
| [06:52:53] | kormoc: | because it'll crash hard the first time someone microwaves an egg or uses a wireless phone? |
| [06:52:53] | justinh: | because when I record stuff I want to be pretty much 100% certain the recording store is actually there |
| [06:53:24] | mcl0vin: | aha i got you |
| [06:53:43] | justinh: | wireless == great for convenience. BAD for reliability & dependability |
| [06:54:13] | justinh: | also bad for absolute guaranteed throughput.. even small amounts |
| [06:54:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:54:33] | Beirdo: | it's half-duplex |
| [06:54:41] | justinh: | it might've been less of a concern back when hardly anybody had wireless but not now |
| [06:55:07] | mcl0vin: | i see the point now |
| [06:55:28] | Beirdo: | you CAN get wireless phones that are off-frequency |
| [06:55:47] | Beirdo: | but not much you can do about other people's phones... or about microwaves |
| [06:56:26] | kormoc: | or people like me running dual wideband 802.11N and triple 802.11G/B |
| [06:56:28] | justinh: | I've not noticed any drop in signal when we use the microwave or whatever.. but I do know that every single wireless device I have in the house is useless on its linux driver |
| [06:56:45] | kormoc: | (I'm flooding both the 5ghz and 2.4 ghz ranges) |
| [06:56:59] | justinh: | I get oooo about 64k/sec in the same room as the AP in linux :D |
| [06:57:28] | justinh: | stupid broadcom crap |
| [06:58:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you rule :) |
| [06:58:58] | kormoc: | Beirdo, ooh? |
| [06:59:00] | mcl0vin: | got the point |
| [06:59:07] | mcl0vin: | no wireless :) |
| [06:59:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, you spam your entire building, I bet :) |
| [06:59:21] | justinh: | mcl0vin: don't you have any spare room or ports in the backend? |
| [06:59:24] | kormoc: | Wireless is fine as long as it's not a requirement |
| [06:59:47] | Beirdo: | yeah... and I don't intend to haul my video across it |
| [06:59:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:59:53] | mcl0vin: | justinh: no |
| [06:59:56] | justinh: | and athlon 64 motherboard surely has sata ports... |
| [07:00:24] | justinh: | mcl0vin: then maybe it's time to think about re-housing the backend :) |
| [07:00:54] | Beirdo: | I still can't find my stupid USB headset |
| [07:01:07] | Beirdo: | wonder if I left the stupid thing in PR |
| [07:01:16] | justinh: | the key to success in most things is this: Don't do anything half-assed |
| [07:01:39] | mcl0vin: | justinh: well , one of my friends gave me that box. i am not in a situation now to spend any dime ... |
| [07:02:01] | mcl0vin: | i might save some money and just go buy me a 1TB |
| [07:02:15] | justinh: | how the other half live eh... |
| [07:02:48] | mcl0vin: | i provide |
| [07:02:53] | justinh: | actually gimme a few weeks & I'll be in the same boat |
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| [07:03:51] | mcl0vin: | justinh: http://pastebin.com/jW7pSXWu |
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| [07:04:11] | justinh: | think I might buy myself an early birthday present.. and it'll be the last gadget I buy for a long time |
| [07:04:36] | Jay2k1: | what is it |
| [07:04:48] | justinh: | fancy MIDI controller |
| [07:05:07] | Jay2k1: | huh |
| [07:05:12] | Jay2k1: | you're a musician? |
| [07:05:18] | mcl0vin: | justinh: '/dev/sda1 18G 16G 941M 95% / "this was at 89% before i left home in two hours |
| [07:05:36] | Beirdo: | justinh: nice. |
| [07:05:42] | justinh: | http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/novation-launchpad--68590 |
| [07:05:53] | justinh: | Jay2k1: I'm a Jack of all trades ;-) |
| [07:06:03] | Beirdo: | and master of none? |
| [07:06:07] | Beirdo: | oh wait. |
| [07:06:14] | justinh: | yeah master of none |
| [07:06:17] | justinh: | precisely |
| [07:06:29] | mcl0vin: | thats funny , but i have my live tv mounted on "/dev/sdb1 74G 13G 58G 19% /storage |
| [07:06:37] | justinh: | definitely not master of theming anymore |
| [07:06:55] | Beirdo: | I should spark up geda and see if I have the schematics for my IR box at any useful state yet |
| [07:07:14] | Beirdo: | the hardcopy is in a book that I forgot in PR. The ex-wife will be sending it soon |
| [07:07:29] | justinh: | not a total wizard web designer either but I put the '£200 business card website' re-use ready-made template people to shame IMHO |
| [07:08:18] | justinh: | think I might try & put my conscience to one side & start up a sideline to bring some more cash in |
| [07:08:33] | Beirdo: | whore yerself out a bit |
| [07:08:43] | justinh: | like the world needs another cowboy web provider :) |
| [07:08:51] | Beirdo: | like they don't ;) |
| [07:08:55] | justinh: | s/provider/reseller/ |
| [07:08:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:12:10] | justinh: | that friend of mine who I used to host the site.. re-sells hosting cheaper than I can get from the original host. how the heck does that work? cheaper by a factor of 3 |
| [07:12:31] | kormoc: | justinh, you buy a bunch and get a discount |
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| [07:14:14] | justinh: | yeah but heart internet's reseller deal doesn't cost that much more than ordinary hosting AFAIK .. and you can sell as much as you want |
| [07:14:24] | justinh: | no wonder everybody's doing it :) |
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| [07:17:49] | justinh: | gah somebody's moved the CAD share here |
| [07:17:56] | Beirdo: | so I guess I'll crash... |
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| [07:23:02] | Jay2k1: | mcl0vin so your root partition is almost full and you don't know why because there's no myth storage folders mounted there |
| [07:23:10] | Jay2k1: | did i get that right? |
| [07:25:03] | justinh: | you really don't want / to get full up when mysql is running – especially if that's where the mysql data lives (/var/mysql) |
| [07:25:14] | justinh: | or /var/lib/mysql |
| [07:25:29] | justinh: | you can lose the entire database that way. trust me |
| [07:27:36] | Jay2k1: | you could run mysql as root, so it has 5% more space :x |
| [07:27:43] | Jay2k1: | (ignore that!) |
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| [07:34:17] | mcl0vin: | Jay2k1: justinh i manage to bring it down to 85% by moving videos from /var/lib/mythtv/videos to /storage/mythtv/videos |
| [07:36:27] | mcl0vin: | i think this is what i am going to do....go by me a 1TB sata HDD, remove the current primary HDD / and reformat my 80GB to be the primary HDD for my mythtv box and use the 1TB for storage |
| [07:36:55] | mcl0vin: | but i don't want to lose the current recorded shows ...how do i go about that? |
| [07:39:20] | justinh: | add a new HDD, format it, mount it, then make a new storage group for recordings. then move all the recorded files to the new storage group directory. IIRC |
| [07:41:19] | mcl0vin: | justinh: i am not sure when it comes to storage groups, i don't know how to use it |
| [07:42:44] | justinh: | you should already have one storage group.. probably two actually since you keep livetv in a different place |
| [07:43:30] | mcl0vin: | since i am not physically at my box, how can i check that ...just so that i follow what you say |
| [07:44:26] | justinh: | you shouldn't check that when you're not physically at your box.. unless you can run a remote desktop session |
| [07:45:16] | mcl0vin: | let me see if i can break work firewall |
| [07:45:18] | mcl0vin: | 1 sec |
| [07:45:30] | ** mcl0vin thinking ... ** | |
| [07:46:07] | justinh: | pfft. people saying they don't want to upgrade their backends... when they're running trunk. Meh |
| [07:46:33] | justinh: | hey I want all the new shiny shiny, but I don't want to have to use a recent distro. blah blah |
| [07:50:29] | zzpat: | meh 0.21 ftw |
| [07:51:03] | mcl0vin: | wow ...i under estimate my self :) |
| [07:51:43] | mcl0vin: | which port mythtv listen on for desktop session so that i can set it up in my router at home |
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| [07:53:55] | justinh: | whatnow? |
| [07:54:05] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't listen for desktop sessions |
| [07:54:18] | mcl0vin: | hmmm |
| [07:54:31] | mcl0vin: | what is 6543 |
| [07:54:40] | justinh: | but if you're talking about the 'remote desktop' thing ubuntu & other distros have.. that'll be 5900 |
| [07:55:24] | justinh: | mcl0vin: do NOT forward port 6543 |
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| [07:55:44] | mcl0vin: | why? |
| [07:55:50] | justinh: | infact do not open any backend port up to the internet. mythtv isn't designed to cope |
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| [07:56:59] | justinh: | there's NO security whatsoever, and it'd be easy to exploit mythbackend |
| [07:59:02] | justinh: | besides that, forwarding mythtv ports through your router wouldn't help you use a remote desktop connection anyway |
| [07:59:55] | mcl0vin: | justinh: well i can use vnc from inside my LAN by just putting mythtv IP |
| [08:00:32] | justinh: | the backend's IP address sure |
| [08:00:35] | mcl0vin: | so what i am trying to do now since i am at work and i gain access to my router at home , to tunel a connection to my mythbox |
| [08:00:38] | justinh: | but that is nothing to do with mythtv |
| [08:00:51] | justinh: | so you need to forward port 5900 |
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| [08:02:06] | mcl0vin: | am in |
| [08:02:08] | mcl0vin: | :D |
| [08:02:46] | justinh: | you, you master hacker you! |
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| [08:03:02] | mcl0vin: | i can see my frontend |
| [08:03:31] | mcl0vin: | i wouldn't title my self that...i know jussssst enough i think |
| [08:04:08] | mcl0vin: | hacker hahhaahah a min ago i was asking you how to replace a hard disk drive |
| [08:04:10] | mcl0vin: | lol |
| [08:04:15] | mcl0vin: | anywho |
| [08:04:31] | mcl0vin: | so you were saying what about storage groups please |
| [08:05:52] | justinh: | what about them? |
| [08:06:56] | mcl0vin: | how do i set it up |
| [08:07:47] | justinh: | I'm not going to walk you through the whole thing |
| [08:07:50] | justinh: | read the docs |
| [08:08:00] | mcl0vin: | will do |
| [08:08:02] | justinh: | look at your own config. I mean you HAVE actually set it up at some point |
| [08:08:07] | mcl0vin: | thank you anyways mate |
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| [08:10:36] | mcl0vin: | am going to watch me a movie |
| [08:10:39] | mcl0vin: | work sucks |
| [08:10:40] | mcl0vin: | :) |
| [08:10:46] | mcl0vin: | laters guys |
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| [09:24:28] | KaZeR: | hi there. i'm having problems setting up DVB-T. |
| [09:24:59] | KaZeR: | i already have DVB-S and it works fine. the DVB-T card is in another backend |
| [09:25:11] | KaZeR: | if i configure the DVB-T card backend alone, it works |
| [09:25:43] | justinh: | okay so? |
| [09:25:44] | KaZeR: | if i configure the DVB-T backend as a slave of the DVB-S, i get no new channels after scan in the channel table |
| [09:26:48] | KaZeR: | i don't understand why. at the end of the scan, i get a bunch of duplicate found, and i tell mythtv-setup to suggest a new id |
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| [09:27:05] | justinh: | this is all just pointing to ONE database,right? |
| [09:27:38] | justinh: | and you've not tried to turn the dvb-t sole backend into a slave? |
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| [09:27:41] | KaZeR: | yep, excepted the test as standalone for which i used a local db on the DVB-T backend |
| [09:27:51] | justinh: | right |
| [09:28:05] | justinh: | except maybe this time you've not set up the slave correctly |
| [09:28:31] | justinh: | it shouldn't make any difference to scanning whether the backend is a slave or not |
| [09:28:39] | KaZeR: | after slave setup, the card is listed in the cardinput table of the master |
| [09:28:51] | justinh: | don't go messing about looking in tables man |
| [09:28:55] | KaZeR: | and i also get the data source |
| [09:29:06] | KaZeR: | i'm just looking :) |
| [09:29:14] | justinh: | you have to give dvb-t a different 'video source' than dvb-s |
| [09:29:30] | justinh: | god, I HATE how they're still called that |
| [09:29:58] | KaZeR: | ah? maybe that's the trick thanks. it wasn't obvious to me |
| [09:30:00] | KaZeR: | let me try |
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| [09:30:32] | justinh: | how come it's not obvious? they carry different channels |
| [09:31:41] | KaZeR: | the video source is mainly to get xmltv no? and in my case, DVB-T provide the same (but less) channels than my dvb-s |
| [09:32:13] | KaZeR: | here, i set the video source to no grabber, and feed the datas with mythfilltabase |
| [09:32:20] | justinh: | then you need a different 'video source' |
| [09:32:41] | KaZeR: | thanks, i'm currently scanning |
| [09:32:44] | justinh: | different channel lineup – different 'video source' |
| [09:32:58] | KaZeR: | ok. now, it's obvious, explained that way :) |
| [09:33:26] | justinh: | no it's obvious anyway |
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| [09:35:08] | justinh: | besides.. two backends.. for *two* tuners? heheh |
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| [09:40:31] | KaZeR: | justinh, it worked, thanks |
| [09:41:08] | KaZeR: | justinh, yes. cause both need a softcam, and it seems that you can't mix dvb-t and dvb-s |
| [09:43:35] | justinh: | great. I just helped a bloody THIEF |
| [09:43:46] | justinh: | !trout KaZeR stealing |
| [09:43:46] | ** MythLogBot slaps KaZeR with a stealing trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
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| [09:45:39] | ** justinh thinks this channel should have an autoban for that keyword ** | |
| [09:47:06] | KaZeR: | justinh, you're wrong. i understand why it should not be discussed here. but i do have a monthly fee and a real card |
| [09:47:19] | KaZeR: | but i'm not taking offense :) |
| [09:50:41] | justinh: | whether you have what you need or not, it's still a forbidden subject in here and you know that |
| [09:50:49] | justinh: | well, we all knew this wouldn't last |
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| [10:00:43] | yunosh: | hi! since videos are identified by hashes now, can i simply move videos from one directory of the video storage group to another without any loss? |
| [10:01:19] | yunosh: | i guess the same question applies to recordings |
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| [10:32:33] | AndyCap: | KaZeR: what's wrong with a hardcam? |
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| [10:58:41] | solv: | is anyone using lighttpd for mythweb? I've got linhes running on my system and mythweb is coming up with 'OOPS – page not found' and I can't for the life of me find what's wrong...nobody seems to be around in #linhes |
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| [11:09:59] | TarasB: | Hi All! Since last update to trunk 25068 my VideText does not work. Ist there any Info abouth this isue? |
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| [11:56:54] | justinh: | solv: only apache is supported |
| [12:01:29] | solv: | thanks...I've ditched lighttpd and am configuring apache now....getting there |
| [12:01:39] | solv: | need to find php-mysql libraries for arch linux |
| [12:01:43] | solv: | don't seem to exist |
| [12:01:53] | justinh: | you'd have needed those for lighttpd anyway |
| [12:02:06] | justinh: | don't they come with linhes? |
| [12:03:27] | solv: | I would assume so, but for some reason it's asking for em....checking my php.ini now |
| [12:03:38] | justinh: | first search result on "php mysql archlinux" |
| [12:04:06] | solv: | yeah it doesn't cover it |
| [12:04:08] | solv: | the lamp wiki |
| [12:04:19] | justinh: | tells you package names |
| [12:06:20] | solv: | yeah will it seems i do have it then..../usr/lib/php/20060613/mysql.so |
| [12:06:51] | justinh: | isn't it there in all the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled junk? |
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| [12:07:22] | justinh: | ah no they still use httpd.conf |
| [12:07:43] | solv: | yeah |
| [12:07:48] | solv: | and the php mod is enabled |
| [12:08:04] | solv: | and the extension dir and extensions module is enabled in php.ini |
| [12:08:26] | solv: | I recall getting stuck here once before....can't for the life of me remember what I did last time...was a long time ago |
| [12:08:48] | justinh: | restart apache? |
| [12:10:12] | solv: | no good =( |
| [12:10:42] | solv: | googling the phrase "Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP." comes up with a few results...will pour through that |
| [12:11:09] | justinh: | so glad I don't use arghhhhlinux |
| [12:11:21] | justinh: | looks like a whole load of er... 'fun' |
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| [12:11:42] | jduggan: | lol |
| [12:11:47] | jduggan: | arghlinux |
| [12:12:26] | justinh: | like linhes is possibly doing a whole bunch of stuff not officially supported here |
| [12:12:33] | justinh: | *looks like |
| [12:13:36] | solv: | yeah it is |
| [12:13:53] | solv: | and linhes doesn't have heaps of users to give support when something fails |
| [12:14:20] | solv: | like it uses runit for services which arch doesn't use normally |
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| [12:15:00] | solv: | other than that I really like it....more than mythbuntu |
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| [12:15:39] | solv: | probably would be worth doing a clean arch install and doing mythtv manually – but that's just a lot of time |
| [12:17:19] | KaZeR: | AndyCap, the fact that i bought my hardware for 70$, with HD support. hardcam is more expensive |
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| [12:20:51] | justinh: | I'm not really a mythbuntu fan either :) |
| [12:21:39] | justinh: | but I found out what burned me last time I installed it. stupid cheap keyboard sent my frontend to sleep & the bios wasn't set up to support it properly (or is bugged) ... got the install into an unusable state I couldn't fix :-\ |
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| [12:24:31] | solv: | amazed you figured out it was the keyboard |
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| [12:32:41] | justinh: | solv: well it wasn't power saving settings, which I thought it might have been |
| [12:35:23] | solv: | argghh...i have spent all night on this frickin mythweb....it just hates me |
| [12:36:01] | solv: | might go on arch forums and see if anyone knows |
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| [12:45:39] | KaZeR: | when you have two cards on two video sources pointing to the same channel, what's the recommended way to assign the channums? should they point to the same channum? |
| [12:52:47] | solv: | someone on arch says it's my php.ini file....but they don't know php! |
| [12:53:29] | solv: | removed php...removed the ini file, reinstalled php, rechecked the php.ini was setup as according to lamp wiki...still asking for the mysql libraries.... |
| [12:53:41] | solv: | i give up....have to wait for a new install me thinks |
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| [13:12:18] | mcl0vin: | why when i watch movies in thru my mythtv video play they stutter , but when i watch the same movie outside mythtv it play nice |
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| [13:26:49] | justinh: | oh you've probably used the wrong video playback profile that's all |
| [13:27:49] | justinh: | or more to the point, not selected the most suitable one for your system |
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| [13:32:32] | mcl0vin: | justinh: and how i would know the most suitable profile for my system please ,? |
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| [13:33:20] | justinh: | how should I know? |
| [13:34:08] | mcl0vin: | my point, how do i determine it? |
| [13:34:37] | justinh: | IIRC the default profile is cpu+ |
| [13:34:58] | mcl0vin: | IIRC? |
| [13:35:01] | justinh: | which as its name suggests.. er.. may be prone to use more CPU |
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| [13:35:09] | justinh: | oh for pity's sakes |
| [13:35:17] | justinh: | IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY |
| [13:35:55] | mcl0vin: | who is pity :) |
| [13:36:10] | justinh: | #1 reason for video playback sucking: not having Xv in your video card drivers |
| [13:36:13] | mcl0vin: | SORRY i didn't know |
| [13:36:38] | justinh: | sorry you didn't know how to look it up? :-O |
| [13:36:45] | mcl0vin: | dude am sorry i don't know these terms |
| [13:37:38] | mcl0vin: | Xv is the red threshold in airplane ASI that should never be exceeded. |
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| [13:37:59] | mcl0vin: | you know what ata means |
| [13:38:10] | justinh: | I don't care |
| [13:38:11] | mcl0vin: | you know what lte means |
| [13:39:08] | mcl0vin: | and i can care less if you care of no...i was asking you a honest question, no need for you to suck up all this and lecture me |
| [13:39:15] | justinh: | Xv == X VIDEO acceleration. It provides scaling & colourspace conversion on the graphics chip to save your puny CPU doing it... but truth is even powerful CPUs have a hard time playing video if there's no Xv |
| [13:39:54] | justinh: | so if your video card's drivers are useless or broken (hello ATI, some of the time)... |
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| [13:40:46] | mcl0vin: | justinh: but it does play nice a smooth in the same box, but out side mythtv |
| [13:41:04] | justinh: | yes,I know. You said so |
| [13:41:10] | justinh: | I'm talking about mythtv |
| [13:41:22] | justinh: | mythtv needs Xv as a minimum for best performance |
| [13:41:26] | justinh: | other players may not |
| [13:41:37] | mcl0vin: | ok got you |
| [13:41:48] | justinh: | so if you want playback to be smooth in mythtv, your video drivers must offer Xv as a *minimum* or things will suck |
| [13:42:30] | justinh: | and now we come to one of the times output from mythfrontend can be important |
| [13:42:38] | justinh: | mythfrontend -v playback, for example |
| [13:43:22] | mcl0vin: | 05:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ES1000 (rev 02) |
| [13:43:47] | justinh: | and try different video playback profiles (utils/setup >tv settings> playback ..something like the 3rd page in there) |
| [13:43:53] | justinh: | I coulda had money on that! |
| [13:44:22] | justinh: | using ATI's propriatary driver? if yes, maybe the wrong one... |
| [13:44:27] | justinh: | if not, maybe you need to use it |
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| [13:44:45] | mcl0vin: | :) using v4l |
| [13:44:52] | justinh: | sigh |
| [13:45:01] | Phreekazoid: | HI all |
| [13:45:05] | justinh: | no not V4L. V4L has got jack to do with VGA |
| [13:45:12] | Phreekazoid: | i need some info plz :) |
| [13:45:42] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: sure, but it doesn't come cheap |
| [13:45:53] | mcl0vin: | cx18 |
| [13:45:59] | justinh: | mcl0vin: no |
| [13:46:01] | Phreekazoid: | k... |
| [13:46:11] | justinh: | mcl0vin: I'm talking about VIDEO OUTPUT.. y'know from your graphics card |
| [13:46:28] | Phreekazoid: | Justinh: define not cheap |
| [13:46:40] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: one meeleon dollar |
| [13:47:03] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: cut a long story short, guy. just ask! :) |
| [13:47:06] | Phreekazoid: | Justinh: sure thing... i'll give you one trillion zimbabwean dollars... |
| [13:47:12] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:47:21] | Phreekazoid: | how's that sound! LOL! (about the price of a loaf of bread there) |
| [13:47:37] | sid3windr: | HOW ABOUT THEM APPLES! |
| [13:47:46] | justinh: | mcl0vin: if you've installed ATI propriatary drivers, maybe they're the wrong ones. If you haven't installed them maybe you should |
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| [13:47:53] | sid3windr: | justinh: hey, don't they sell the joggler anymore? :/ |
| [13:48:04] | Phreekazoid: | k. i am looking into software that can record 24/7/365 analogue video |
| [13:48:15] | Phreekazoid: | can MythTV do this? |
| [13:48:17] | justinh: | sid3windr: er... I hope so |
| [13:48:26] | sid3windr: | one of my uk friends said they upped the price to 100, but o2 site still says 49 ... other guy said yea they don't have them anymore :| |
| [13:48:28] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: for what application? |
| [13:48:33] | Phreekazoid: | oh, and it's 2 separate "channels" |
| [13:48:51] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: if you're thinking for cctv or something there are better apps for that |
| [13:49:01] | Phreekazoid: | k |
| [13:49:04] | Phreekazoid: | it's like this |
| [13:49:29] | Phreekazoid: | i need to monitor every single advertisement playing on 2 different local analogue tv stations |
| [13:49:30] | justinh: | if you're thinking of video archiving, mythtv isn't really about that either but it's nearer to what you want than most other things |
| [13:49:57] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: to make sure the right ones went out at the right time etc? |
| [13:50:07] | Phreekazoid: | so, it's recording, and storing, so i can get my team to go through it, and calculate marketing exposure for my clients, and correct ad flighting |
| [13:50:12] | Phreekazoid: | yup |
| [13:50:38] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: mythtv isn't really about continuous video recording as such |
| [13:50:45] | Phreekazoid: | ah... |
| [13:50:53] | justinh: | it deals with 'programs' |
| [13:51:05] | Phreekazoid: | o.. |
| [13:51:09] | Phreekazoid: | more the scheduling kinda thing? |
| [13:51:19] | justinh: | yeah pretty much but you can work with it still |
| [13:51:28] | Phreekazoid: | hmmm. k. |
| [13:51:44] | Phreekazoid: | do you perhaps know of anything else that might be more appropriate? |
| [13:51:47] | justinh: | be sort of an advantage for your folks to sift through it if you split it into sections anyway |
| [13:52:00] | Phreekazoid: | indeed |
| [13:52:14] | Phreekazoid: | does it need, say, pre-programmed schedules or something? |
| [13:52:26] | Phreekazoid: | i'm thinking along the lines of digital tv now |
| [13:52:30] | justinh: | so you could set up a dummy program table, or just a bunch of repeating manual schedules of 1 or 2 hour chunks |
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| [13:52:49] | Phreekazoid: | that sounds about right... |
| [13:52:55] | Phreekazoid: | i was thinking of 1 hour blocks |
| [13:53:21] | Phreekazoid: | hmmm |
| [13:53:26] | justinh: | heh if there's no EPG data in mythtv it'll default to one hour blocks of 'unknown' anyway |
| [13:53:31] | Phreekazoid: | how hardware-intensive is it? |
| [13:53:37] | Phreekazoid: | k |
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| [13:53:46] | justinh: | depends what kind of tuner hardware you use |
| [13:53:54] | Phreekazoid: | that's the other thing |
| [13:53:59] | Phreekazoid: | it needs to be compatible |
| [13:54:14] | justinh: | if the cards are analogue & don't have mpeg encoders onboard it'll use CPU to crunch that |
| [13:54:17] | Phreekazoid: | i would need a recommendation for that |
| [13:54:25] | Phreekazoid: | k |
| [13:54:27] | justinh: | but any modern CPU can eat its way through that |
| [13:54:35] | Phreekazoid: | indeed. |
| [13:54:53] | justinh: | then there's a problem with audio on those kind of cards – they don't usually have audio capture onboard so you need a soundcard per tuner card |
| [13:54:56] | Phreekazoid: | i'm gonna be buying brand spanking new machines for this anyways |
| [13:55:06] | Phreekazoid: | really!? |
| [13:55:10] | Phreekazoid: | bummer |
| [13:55:24] | justinh: | you'd be best off going with an analogue tuner with built-in mpeg encoder |
| [13:55:34] | Phreekazoid: | would that have sound? |
| [13:55:37] | justinh: | yes |
| [13:55:41] | Phreekazoid: | awesome |
| [13:55:41] | justinh: | all on one card |
| [13:55:44] | Phreekazoid: | k |
| [13:55:47] | justinh: | video in, mpeg out over the PCI bus |
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| [13:55:55] | Phreekazoid: | sweet |
| [13:56:00] | Phreekazoid: | next thing is |
| [13:56:14] | Phreekazoid: | there are only 2 channels to record, so i don't want to buy 2 pc's to do so... |
| [13:56:24] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:56:33] | Phreekazoid: | 2 tv stations |
| [13:56:40] | justinh: | with mythtv you can have as many tuners as your hardware will allow |
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| [13:56:52] | Phreekazoid: | nice |
| [13:57:14] | justinh: | and if you run out of slots you can have more than one backend system too |
| [13:57:33] | justinh: | and the playback frontend doesn't have to be in the same box as the tuners either |
| [13:57:36] | Phreekazoid: | so it would probably have , say, 2 IDEexpress tuner cards |
| [13:57:45] | Phreekazoid: | indeed |
| [13:57:51] | justinh: | never heard of IDEexpress |
| [13:57:58] | Phreekazoid: | my plan is to have a dedicated capturing pc |
| [13:58:04] | Phreekazoid: | and then a processing workstation |
| [13:58:16] | Phreekazoid: | and a server on which everything's stored |
| [13:58:23] | justinh: | I'd recommend going to the linuxtv.org wiki & seeing what analogue tuners there are with mpeg encoding onboard |
| [13:58:33] | Phreekazoid: | what kind of hdd space does an hour chunk like that take up? |
| [13:58:34] | justinh: | say the Hauppauge HVR1600 or whatever |
| [13:58:43] | Phreekazoid: | k |
| [13:58:56] | Phreekazoid: | Hauppauge seems to be the way to go |
| [13:59:06] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: SDTV can be recorded well at under 6Mbits/sec |
| [13:59:34] | justinh: | but you do the maths,assuming that bitrate :) |
| [13:59:53] | Phreekazoid: | k |
| [14:00:15] | justinh: | plenty room on a 1TB HDD |
| [14:00:24] | Phreekazoid: | exactly |
| [14:00:38] | Phreekazoid: | and we'll only be storing the actual ads on a long-term basis |
| [14:01:41] | justinh: | if commercial detection works where you are (it depends entirely on how local broadcasters actually show the ads) you can load an advert detected cutlist & invert it – which will keep only the ads |
| [14:02:03] | Phreekazoid: | aha |
| [14:02:05] | justinh: | somebody who is a fan of superbowl ad spots invented that I think |
| [14:02:06] | Phreekazoid: | hmm |
| [14:02:15] | Phreekazoid: | i must say. i doubt it'll work here! LOL! |
| [14:02:24] | Phreekazoid: | hehehe |
| [14:02:28] | justinh: | where is here? |
| [14:02:34] | Phreekazoid: | Windhoek, Namibia |
| [14:02:40] | Phreekazoid: | just north-west of South africa |
| [14:02:42] | justinh: | you never know |
| [14:03:01] | justinh: | it works really well in the country it was invented...less well in other places |
| [14:03:02] | Phreekazoid: | worth a shot i guess... but i'll only know once i've got it up 'n running |
| [14:03:04] | mcl0vin: | randok |
| [14:03:17] | Phreekazoid: | quite. :) |
| [14:03:38] | Phreekazoid: | pardon the stupid question... LOL! |
| [14:03:47] | Phreekazoid: | is Mtv freeware? |
| [14:03:56] | Phreekazoid: | probably not hey? |
| [14:04:44] | Phreekazoid: | brb... 10 mins (thanks for the info!) |
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| [14:07:18] | pak0: | hi all |
| [14:07:21] | pak0: | good afternoon |
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| [14:07:34] | pak0: | the first time i see this error when i do myfilldatabase, Parsing of undecoded UTF-8 will give garbage when decoding entities at /usr/share/perl5/XMLTV/Get_nice.pm line 65. |
| [14:07:46] | pak0: | and cant get more info under google searchs |
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| [14:13:11] | Phreekazoid: | Justinh: where you from? |
| [14:14:55] | justinh: | uk |
| [14:15:10] | Phreekazoid: | ah. explains why you're online at the same time |
| [14:15:19] | justinh: | pak0: seems straightforward to me |
| [14:15:54] | justinh: | Phreekazoid: mythtv is GPL open source |
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| [14:16:56] | Phreekazoid: | sweet |
| [14:17:15] | justinh: | the backend recording stuff for pci cards will only run on linux though |
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| [14:17:53] | pak0: | i`m from spain |
| [14:18:03] | pak0: | i have this error from the latest update |
| [14:18:18] | justinh: | pak0: latest update to what? |
| [14:18:29] | justinh: | your grabber may be broken |
| [14:19:34] | Phreekazoid: | k. thanks for the info! appreciate it! |
| [14:20:01] | pak0: | i think so |
| [14:20:26] | justinh: | pak0: you never said what you had updated |
| [14:20:39] | justinh: | 'latest update' could mean anything |
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| [14:25:05] | pak0: | nice |
| [14:25:14] | pak0: | now miguia and laguia are broken |
| [14:28:28] | justinh: | cool. I've been trying to take them down all day |
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| [14:34:01] | sid3windr: | I can't get myth to compile on windows with the packager script |
| [14:34:05] | sid3windr: | it keeps trying to do .22 :[ |
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| [14:47:35] | yunosh: | hi! since videos are identified by hashes now, can i simply move videos from one directory of the video storage group to another without any loss? i guess the same question applies to recordings |
| [14:50:53] | wagnerrp: | yes and yes, for two completely different reasons |
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| [14:54:55] | lotia: | greetings all. any pointers to README/SETUP/INSTALL files for the discovered code. I've cloned and have a fully updated git repo (off Gitorious). I glanced at the quickstart script. Should I read it more closely? |
| [14:55:19] | iamlindoro: | Wrong channel? |
| [14:55:33] | iamlindoro: | Since we don't have a git repos or a quickstart script... |
| [14:55:54] | pak0: | can anyone helpme with my error? |
| [14:56:01] | wagnerrp: | we do have a 'README' though |
| [14:56:12] | pak0: | i cant find nothing googling |
| [14:56:14] | wagnerrp: | no SETUP or INSTALL |
| [14:56:44] | wagnerrp: | pak0: that sounds like a problem with your particular XMLTV scraper |
| [14:56:54] | pak0: | i know |
| [14:57:07] | pak0: | when i do mythfilldatabase with miguia.xmltv |
| [14:57:11] | iamlindoro: | So you should probably ask on the xmltv forums/mailing lists |
| [14:57:19] | iamlindoro: | since we don't have any control over it |
| [14:57:25] | pak0: | ok |
| [14:57:28] | pak0: | thank you |
| [14:57:33] | iamlindoro: | np, good luck |
| [14:57:36] | pak0: | i dont know they have a forum |
| [14:57:37] | pak0: | thank you |
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| [14:58:00] | iamlindoro: | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=39046 |
| [14:58:09] | iamlindoro: | try their users list, that's probably a good place to start |
| [14:58:44] | lotia: | sorry iamlindoro |
| [14:58:47] | lotia: | DUH |
| [15:00:14] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:00:21] | iamlindoro: | figured it was just a wrong channel thing |
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| [15:15:25] | KaZeR: | anyone here having multiple capture cards provinding the same channels? |
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| [15:16:01] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [15:16:50] | KaZeR: | ok. how do you assigne your channums? do you use the same channum for related channels? |
| [15:17:05] | wagnerrp: | i use the same source for all |
| [15:17:17] | wagnerrp: | the source contains the list of channels |
| [15:17:28] | justinh: | you can do that where the source for each tuner is exactly the same |
| [15:17:42] | justinh: | i.e. *EXACTLY* the same channels, no more, no less |
| [15:18:09] | wagnerrp: | which if theyre recording from the same source, they would be |
| [15:18:12] | KaZeR: | justinh, so in my case i should use different channums, right? |
| [15:18:19] | wagnerrp: | i.e: two capture cards pulling off the same cable line |
| [15:18:30] | wagnerrp: | or two capture cards pulling off identical cable boxes |
| [15:18:42] | wagnerrp: | if you have one on a cable box and one on a cable line, that wouldnt work |
| [15:18:54] | KaZeR: | wagnerrp, not exactly my case, i have two different sources which provides some common channels |
| [15:18:54] | justinh: | if you're talking about DVB-S vs DVB-T you could do that but only if you're totally sure they're actually the *same* channel |
| [15:19:09] | KaZeR: | justinh, i am sure of that |
| [15:19:29] | justinh: | maybe it'd be better to make the callsign the same too |
| [15:19:39] | justinh: | I think it goes callsign first then channum |
| [15:19:58] | wagnerrp: | if you have two sources with only a couple common channels, then you want to match channum and callsign |
| [15:20:13] | wagnerrp: | that way, the scheduler will understand that theyre identical channels, and will schedule accordingly |
| [15:20:24] | justinh: | there'll be more than a couple I bet |
| [15:20:43] | KaZeR: | ok thanks guys, i'll check my callsigns too. you might have answeredmy upcoming questio nat the same time :) |
| [15:21:03] | wagnerrp: | note that you only want to do that for channels that are actually the same |
| [15:21:17] | justinh: | there are advantages to not having mythtv treat them as identical channels btw |
| [15:21:27] | wagnerrp: | if youre getting an SD copy off a PVR-150, and an HD copy off an HDPVR |
| [15:21:33] | wagnerrp: | you would want to keep them separate |
| [15:21:36] | justinh: | like say if a satellite fed channel is a higher bitrate |
| [15:21:39] | ** skd5aner has boxes of 2–8 year old video, sound, network cards and doesn't know what to do with them ** | |
| [15:21:52] | justinh: | skd5aner: bin |
| [15:21:57] | skd5aner: | bin? |
| [15:21:58] | wagnerrp: | similarly if youve got broadcast channels, and cable rebroadcasts of those channels |
| [15:22:01] | wagnerrp: | trash--- |
| [15:22:06] | skd5aner: | ah, sorry – haha |
| [15:22:06] | justinh: | rubbish bin :) |
| [15:22:20] | skd5aner: | yea, I can't imagine it's worth even putting most of these on ebay |
| [15:22:41] | wagnerrp: | i keep one or two around just for spares of that slot |
| [15:22:43] | justinh: | it's not worth putting much on ebay these days |
| [15:22:49] | skd5aner: | Just feels wrong throwing out what was once a $200 sound card 7 years ago :/ |
| [15:22:50] | wagnerrp: | and trash the rest whenever theres a local recycling drive |
| [15:23:13] | justinh: | skd5aner: hahaha. I didn't feel the slightest pang of guilt when I binned by ATI AIW card |
| [15:23:27] | justinh: | cost me £200 when I bought it |
| [15:23:52] | justinh: | most expensive computing purchasing mistake ever |
| [15:24:03] | skd5aner: | heh :) |
| [15:24:19] | justinh: | I *did* get it to work once. for about 10 minutes |
| [15:24:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: good point, I'll have to see if there's a good electronics recycling place instead of using the "bin" |
| [15:25:29] | skd5aner: | justinh: I had what was supposed to be a fairly good sound card circa 1997, I think Turtle Beach, that was basically not worth it's weight in dog poop |
| [15:25:30] | justinh: | come to think... if there was ever a time I was frustrated at having to patch a kernel to get a card to work.. at least there was a degree of certainty I could actually get the thing to work.. unlike when juggling V4W drivers |
| [15:26:13] | justinh: | til recently I still had my SB AWE32 I upgraded to like 64MB RAM |
| [15:26:36] | wagnerrp: | that old card could hold that much RAM? |
| [15:26:38] | justinh: | the simm sockets were too loose so I fitted SIP thingies |
| [15:26:44] | at0m: | sb awe32 /gold/ was the first soundcard i bought |
| [15:26:53] | justinh: | I think it was that much. |
| [15:26:57] | at0m: | wooh rpn/nrpn |
| [15:27:00] | wagnerrp: | i mean that card was around when the average PC was like 16MB |
| [15:27:17] | justinh: | anyway whatever the max ram it could take was.. that's what I got it |
| [15:27:30] | at0m: | the year after i got a Pulsar, which still works and runs great along new DSP cards |
| [15:27:34] | wagnerrp: | didnt even realize those things had upgradeable memory |
| [15:27:59] | justinh: | 28MB.. heh |
| [15:28:16] | justinh: | maybe it was only 4x 4Mb SIMMs then |
| [15:28:20] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux_: I would not worry about working around the locale restrictions |
| [15:28:21] | at0m: | the sb awe32 had 4mb orig |
| [15:28:29] | justinh: | oh no.. just 2 slots. |
| [15:28:42] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux_: We'll implement locale-aware filtering before I force you to deal with it in the grabbers |
| [15:28:51] | justinh: | actually that figures cos in an XM-CPU-SPARC we'd have used 8MB modules |
| [15:29:05] | justinh: | ahem. borrowed from work ;) |
| [15:29:13] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux_: That is, you (and other grabber authors) should never need to deal with it outside of tagging the allowed countries-- I'll handle it in MNV |
| [15:29:52] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux_: I would just make clear to them that what appears in the web page context and the "embeddable" links are governed by different rules |
| [15:29:57] | wagnerrp: | my first (true) sound card cost about $200 |
| [15:30:11] | wagnerrp: | 'course it came with a 4x CD and a handful of games |
| [15:30:34] | justinh: | my expensive card buying days ended a long, long time ago |
| [15:30:58] | wagnerrp: | i still play one of those games occasionally |
| [15:31:55] | justinh: | remember being impressed by Turok. lol |
| [15:33:24] | wagnerrp: | syndicate, wing commander, strike commander, and ultima.... still play syndicate on dosbox |
| [15:34:54] | justinh: | I remember going to a computer shop with a friend of mine when he bought a sound card.. just some SB 16 thing.. and the drivers only came on 5.25" floppy so the shop made him buy 3.5" floppies & charged him for copying the drivers in the shop |
| [15:35:15] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [15:35:21] | sid3windr: | my sbpro2 came with lemmings and indianapolis 500 |
| [15:35:25] | sid3windr: | and.... |
| [15:35:28] | sid3windr: | dr. sbaitso! |
| [15:35:34] | wagnerrp: | this was a SB16 too |
| [15:35:48] | sid3windr: | ruh |
| [15:35:53] | wagnerrp: | although i thought the drivers for it came on CD, it was at least 3.5" |
| [15:35:56] | sid3windr: | my sbpro2 had 3.5" floppies only |
| [15:35:56] | justinh: | I remember thinking at the time "god, I don't even use a PC & I already hate them" |
| [15:36:01] | sid3windr: | and that's way older than the sb16 |
| [15:36:10] | justinh: | and I still do |
| [15:39:03] | justinh: | righto. walkies time! |
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| [15:53:42] | RDV_Linux_: | iamlindoro: Good luck in handling it in the Youtube case as there is no data that indicates which countries a "restricted" video can play, It is only when you attempt to okay the video that the notification of the restriction is displayed. |
| [15:54:22] | RDV_Linux_: | s/okay/play/ |
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| [16:32:22] | skd5aner: | awesome, I have an MPEG2 decoder card circa 1996 |
| [16:32:37] | skd5aner: | any takers, I mean – seems like this is *the* crowd to ask ;) |
| [16:32:40] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [16:32:57] | at0m: | isa or pci? =] |
| [16:33:08] | skd5aner: | PCI baby |
| [16:33:13] | at0m: | leet |
| [16:33:59] | wagnerrp: | decoder? or passthrough output? |
| [16:35:42] | skd5aner: | Cinemaster C 1.2, decoder I believe. Just has a SPDIF output on it and a "Video Overlay Port" pinout for connection to a video card |
| [16:37:27] | skd5aner: | http://www.techexcess.net/productinfo.aspx?productid=8970006& nbsp;– pic |
| [16:37:37] | skd5aner: | anyway, burried treasure here I tell ya! ;) |
| [16:37:57] | skd5aner: | I'm going to have bag fulls of this crap |
| [16:39:35] | skd5aner: | I'm 90% sure that there's an original 3dfx voodoo or voodoo2 in there, original SLI baby! |
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| [17:18:31] | skd5aner: | hmmm, a never-been-used 200GB Maxtor PATA drive, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| [17:18:44] | skd5aner: | would have been nice to know that was laying around a few years ago |
| [17:18:53] | skd5aner: | but now what? |
| [17:19:04] | wagnerrp: | boot drive for an older machine? |
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| [17:19:47] | skd5aner: | yea, maybe... I've got 2 laying around doing nothing, probably with ~60GB drives |
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| [17:20:36] | skd5aner: | the thing is remarkably quiet, was just plugging in some old 20GB drives.... READY FOR TAKEOFF! |
| [17:21:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the 100–200GB range was when they started moving to fluid dynamic bearings |
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| [18:12:47] | subone: | Someone told me to turn off compiz to allow mythtv to be on top of ther gnome-panel, but i did so and it is still behond the gnome panel |
| [18:17:25] | sphery: | subone: are you on the current 0.23-fixes or using the pre-0.23 version that shipped with *buntu |
| [18:17:33] | sphery: | (*buntu 10.04, that is) |
| [18:17:44] | subone: | sphery, ubuntu package |
| [18:18:05] | subone: | also how do i set coverart/fanart for folders |
| [18:18:08] | sphery: | Make sure you enable auto-builds and update MythTV: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [18:18:30] | sphery: | that specific bug was fixed, but isn't in the pre-0.23 version that ships with *buntu 10.04 |
| [18:18:36] | subone: | ah ok |
| [18:23:22] | subone: | and my second question? |
| [18:24:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | subone: IIRC, you just put a file named 'folder.png' in that folder... but the wiki would tell you for sure. |
| [18:24:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | !url wiki |
| [18:24:22] | MythLogBot: | wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
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| [18:24:55] | justinh: | or folder.jpg ? |
| [18:25:12] | wagnerrp: | coverart can be manually forced with the folder.___ file mentioned |
| [18:25:28] | wagnerrp: | fanart for folders can only be used through mythvideo's image hunt |
| [18:25:42] | subone: | well i was able to set a cover using [name of folder].png but what about fanart, because the folder shows the image i chose but then one of the internal covers is shown and fanart |
| [18:25:44] | wagnerrp: | which searches through content within that folder for the proper images |
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| [18:27:20] | subone: | cus the first movie alphabetically in my Movies folder is 17 Again and it shows that for the fanart of my Movies folder lol |
| [18:27:54] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [18:32:17] | sphery: | if only someone would write up documentation on the wiki... They could put it at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo and, maybe, have a section http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Folder_Images that describes just how it works |
| [18:32:48] | subone: | so then there is no way to get rid of the 17 Again cover and fanart shown |
| [18:33:13] | sphery: | proper directory structure... |
| [18:33:41] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Setting_ . . . mage_Folders |
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| [18:34:06] | sphery: | basically, structure your folders to work the way MythVideo expects them |
| [18:35:13] | wagnerrp: | no, there is no way to get mythvideo to not display fanart from that movie |
| [18:35:18] | wagnerrp: | besides using a theme that has no fanart |
| [18:36:01] | subone: | sphery i think you misunderstood my question or i didnt explain it well enough... i have set the icon for the folder just fine, but i still see the fanart and cover in my prefered viewing mode (browse view) |
| [18:37:08] | sphery: | subone: "You can place a file named folder.(png | gif | jpg) into a folder that is accessible to MythVideo and it will be used when the gallery view is displayed instead of a plain folder icon. As a fallback, you can place any image in the folder and it will be used. In absence of one of these images, myth will descend into the directory and find the first valid poster on an item contained within and use it as the folder image." |
| [18:37:32] | sphery: | i.e. "place a file named folder.(png | gif | jpg) into a folder ... and it will be used" |
| [18:37:34] | dfletcher_: | darn! a disk on my backend server just died. thankfully all it had was some recorded TV on it. is there a global kill switch? what's the simplest way to stop myth from recording temporarily (but still run so my frontend can watch vids)? |
| [18:37:41] | subone: | ok i guess you are just not listening |
| [18:37:44] | sphery: | if you have images in subfolders, put images in the top folder |
| [18:38:17] | wagnerrp: | dfletcher_: just make sure the folder listed in the storage group no longer exists, and mythbackend will record around it |
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| [18:38:31] | sphery: | oh, fanart |
| [18:38:46] | dfletcher_: | wagnerrp, well that's the trouble. don't really have another disk to point it at now. just want to turn it off till I can install a new disk, couple days |
| [18:39:16] | subone: | sphery yes and in browse mode there is also a large version of the 17 Again cover art shown |
| [18:39:27] | subone: | i guess there is no way around it |
| [18:39:40] | sphery: | subone: so it's just rearranging your folders to work with the image search |
| [18:39:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: backwards |
| [18:39:56] | sphery: | i.e. move 17 Again and others up a level or whatever |
| [18:40:24] | dfletcher_: | if TV has zero storage groups would that stop it? hmm |
| [18:40:26] | wagnerrp: | the only way he could prevent the search, would be to put each video in its own subfolder |
| [18:40:32] | ** dfletcher_ tries ** | |
| [18:40:40] | subone: | ew |
| [18:40:59] | sphery: | dfletcher_: no, don't delete the SG dirs... mythbackend --nosched |
| [18:41:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, thanks... I didn't understand his current config |
| [18:43:54] | subone: | is there a proper place for me to request the feature? or would it be considered a bug |
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| [18:45:40] | dfletcher_: | heh sphery well I'd love to do that. why is this darn init.d script so obfuscated? heh I should be able to hack this but it's freaking gobbledygook :) |
| [18:46:03] | justinh: | ruh? what would be wrong with putting images in their own folder somewhere outside of the video dirs? |
| [18:46:35] | dfletcher_: | bah I'll just point it to my system drive temporarily and just be careful and delete stuff sooner than normal |
| [18:46:42] | justinh: | subone: there aren't officially any feature requests. and it's not a bug as such |
| [18:46:46] | sphery: | dfletcher_: chances are your distro has a config file that works in conjunction with the init script--the distro guys would know best |
| [18:47:02] | dfletcher_: | heh yeah I suppose I should figure out what Ubuntu has done here |
| [18:47:10] | dfletcher_: | "upstart" or somesuch |
| [18:47:15] | sphery: | ah, yeah, upstart |
| [18:50:31] | subone: | wth, getting this error getting metadata or manually entering movie id "unable to contact themoviedb.org while retrieving movie data" this worked fine yesterday |
| [18:50:47] | sphery: | they might be down? |
| [18:50:51] | wagnerrp: | tmdb may be down or experiencing high load currently |
| [18:51:10] | wagnerrp: | note that the grabber scripts do not pull from the website |
| [18:51:21] | wagnerrp: | so just because you can access it does not mean it is available |
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| [18:51:25] | sphery: | hmmm.... tmdb: The Movie DataBase or They Might Be Down? |
| [18:51:37] | sphery: | they definitely seem to be down right now |
| [18:51:39] | Beirdo: | they might be dumb... |
| [18:51:40] | sphery: | http://www.themoviedb.org/ |
| [18:51:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but at they giants? |
| [18:51:48] | wagnerrp: | s/at/are/ |
| [18:52:00] | sphery: | heh, that's actually what caused me to think of the initialism :) |
| [18:52:37] | subone: | i thought it used imdb |
| [18:52:50] | sphery: | no, imdb steals your thoughts |
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| [18:53:15] | sphery: | they steal the ownership of all user submissions, then tell the same users who submitted data that they cannot use that data |
| [18:53:25] | sphery: | except by looking at their web pages in a browser |
| [18:53:47] | sphery: | TMDB actually makes the data usable for everyone |
| [18:54:22] | subone: | ic |
| [18:54:47] | sphery: | basically, all the time when we used IMDb in the past, we were unknowingly breaking their terms of service |
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| [18:55:20] | sphery: | once they started to make their terms clear, people got fed up, and one so much so that he started TMDB |
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| [18:58:27] | subone: | should i upgrade to .22 or .23? |
| [18:58:32] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [18:58:33] | sid3windr: | ! |
| [18:58:33] | sid3windr: | :p |
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| [18:58:46] | subone: | i mean which |
| [18:58:55] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 |
| [18:59:02] | wagnerrp: | why upgrade to an old version? |
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| [18:59:22] | wagnerrp: | wait, you have coverart... youre already on at least 0.22 |
| [18:59:24] | subone: | well because its saying i may have selected a development version |
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| [19:00:27] | subone: | should i activate the testing PPA or is that not necassary, i just want to fix the "over gnome-panel" bug |
| [19:00:51] | wagnerrp: | 0.23-fixes has that fix |
| [19:01:01] | wagnerrp: | just make sure to use the 0.23 autobuilds |
| [19:01:11] | wagnerrp: | you dont want testing |
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| [19:01:44] | subone: | do i still need to keep compiz off? |
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| [19:02:43] | wagnerrp: | not sure on that one |
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| [19:02:56] | sphery: | subone: In theory, with current 0.23-fixes, you should be able to use Compiz. If you can't, please let me know. |
| [19:03:08] | dfletcher_: | ah ok nice, upstart puts everything in /etc/init/. and it's nice and clean. there's an args variable here :) |
| [19:03:14] | sphery: | (if you can't use it without the gnome panels appearing over the Myth GUI) |
| [19:03:19] | subone: | crap for some reason it says i cant turn it back on... |
| [19:03:38] | subone: | well ill let you know when i figure out why thats doing that |
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| [19:05:18] | subone: | is there any way to set the order of movies listed other than prefixing the filenames with numbers? because i have all the startrek movies but they do not list in order |
| [19:05:55] | subone: | oh i guess because they are like Star Trek 1 and not Star Trek 01 |
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| [19:11:23] | RockHound: | wagnerrp: funny thing about scrubs is, is that in ttvdb the german title is registered correctly ... so I need to investigate why jamu does not find it in the first place |
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| [19:14:40] | RDV_Linux_: | RockHound: Are you adding the language option "-l de" on the command line or specifying in the conf file? |
| [19:15:07] | RockHound: | RDV_Linux_: hmmm ... that could be the reason ... |
| [19:15:11] | RockHound: | let me check |
| [19:15:49] | RDV_Linux_: | RockHound: Also tmdb language specification is only supported in trunk as it only became available post 0.23's release |
| [19:16:30] | RockHound: | ah yes ... not in fixes I guess |
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| [19:16:50] | RockHound: | local_language param? |
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| [19:18:19] | RDV_Linux_: | RockHound: Well it is more like the language you want to search for first with a fall back to English. Also not in fixes. |
| [19:19:46] | RDV_Linux_: | RockHound: Use the conf override for the until 0.24 is released but by that time Jamu will be reaching EOL as MythVideo will have much of jamu's features incorporated. |
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| [19:25:17] | RockHound: | RDV_Linux_: thx for the update |
| [19:25:33] | RDV_Linux_: | np |
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| [19:52:45] | subone: | is there any way to get folders to list in alphabetical order with everything else, rather than listed before all other files |
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| [20:11:34] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | hi, I got a quesion is there a development outthere to control mythmusic remotedly, say for instance via a mythweb page that does NOT stream but tells the BE to play track xyz ? reason is that my BE is connected to my stereo and the bluetooth link I am trying out right now does not work well and I do not like turning on the TV just to play&control music |
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| [20:14:19] | wagnerrp: | you can right now through telnet |
| [20:14:30] | wagnerrp: | however there are only keyboard buttons exposed |
| [20:14:37] | wagnerrp: | no one has added playback commands to it |
| [20:14:59] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | yes that is what I have done so far |
| [20:15:01] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | telnet remotes |
| [20:15:17] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | but my cataloge is a bit big for remote, I would ideally like to browse it properly |
| [20:15:35] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | mind you mythmusic is not the best for that iether |
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| [20:18:47] | kormoc: | Redhammer_the_Ol, it wouldn't be hard to add it |
| [20:20:59] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | hmmm, |
| [20:21:10] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | maybe I can get someone I know that can program to do it |
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| [20:27:38] | GreyFoxx: | Doh ... mythweb requires php 5.3 now |
| [20:27:58] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, what distro are you on? |
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| [20:31:33] | GreyFoxx: | Slackware 13 |
| [20:31:36] | GreyFoxx: | 5.2.11 |
| [20:31:39] | GreyFoxx: | (php) |
| [20:32:03] | GreyFoxx: | I just applied JYA's patch and it works now :) |
| [20:33:07] | GreyFoxx: | well, most of it is working at least. I'll have to look into updating it |
| [20:34:18] | kormoc: | patch? |
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| [20:35:03] | GreyFoxx: | he posted a small snippet of code to place in MythBase.php in the -users PHP 5.3 thread |
| [20:35:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | adds a function if it doesn't exist already. |
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| [20:36:12] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-June/290636.html |
| [20:37:35] | kormoc: | Wow, that's going to mask so many issues with anonymous stacks.... |
| [20:38:11] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [20:38:18] | kormoc: | oh wells |
| [20:41:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Your segfault is now fixed. Now get back to work! |
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| [20:44:08] | wagnerrp: | aww... now i gotta go recompile... |
| [20:44:25] | timothy1jones: | trying to connect frontend running on windows to linux backend, but it failes due to time zone being UNDEF on windows. google is not helping much. Anybody know how to fix? |
| [20:46:26] | iamlindoro: | set TZ=SomeTimeZone |
| [20:46:26] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [20:46:34] | sphery: | timothy1jones: please post the complete log of an attempt to start mythfrontend on windows |
| [20:46:55] | sphery: | Windows should be ignoring time zone requirements because no one has gone to the trouble of writing TZ support for it |
| [20:48:08] | timothy1jones: | iamlindoro, I tried that, didn't work |
| [20:48:27] | timothy1jones: | sphery, one sec, gotta figure out how to get it off the *doze computer |
| [20:48:27] | iamlindoro: | should probably give sphery his requested logs |
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| [20:54:08] | timothy1jones: | sphery, http://dpaste.com/205839/ |
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| [20:56:27] | sphery: | timothy1jones: the problem is not that the time zone differs, but that the actual time differs. On Windows, we ignore the time zone, but still require the time on both computers to be within 20min of the same. You have a 4hr 5min difference between the clocks. |
| [20:56:40] | sphery: | fix the clock on the one that's wrong and you can use MythTV |
| [20:57:23] | Beirdo: | sphery: I still don't like that check :) |
| [20:57:37] | Beirdo: | what if I wanna use GMT on one machine, but not the other? |
| [20:57:55] | Beirdo: | do we check by UNIX epoch time or local time? |
| [20:58:17] | sphery: | Beirdo: you get to completely rewrite MythTV to use UTC for its persistent DB storage, internal working, network protocol, ... |
| [20:58:38] | sphery: | or, if you don't want to use GMT on one machine but not the other /that/ bad, you can live with it :) |
| [20:58:41] | Beirdo: | so we use local time?! |
| [20:59:03] | sphery: | basically, we only prevent startup /because/ MythTV does not work if you use different time zones, and I didn't feel like rewriting all of MythTV |
| [20:59:03] | Beirdo: | why not use the UNIX epoch time, which is by its very nature in GMT? |
| [20:59:07] | timothy1jones: | sphery, ah OK, lemme check that |
| [20:59:15] | Beirdo: | fair enough :) |
| [20:59:56] | Beirdo: | maybe if I feel spry and bored I'll look into it :) |
| [21:00:15] | sphery: | Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5853 was open for > 1 year and users had been complaining for at least 3yrs prior to its being opened, but no one cared enough to actually code the required changes |
| [21:00:58] | sphery: | it's a /very/ invasive change |
| [21:01:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:01:23] | Beirdo: | well, I'm not adverse to such sweeping changes... but not yet :) |
| [21:02:24] | Beirdo: | as far as I'm concerned, it makes perfect sense to always store timestamps in unix epoch times... but I'm a C-head :) |
| [21:02:49] | Beirdo: | i.e. change from datetime to int |
| [21:02:58] | sphery: | yeah, it will hit everything from command-line argument parsing to the DB (requiring a massive change to data in the DB--and in such a way that the time zone specified for the DB server doesn't affect the times given to MythTV), and the MythTV protocol and the bindings and MythWeb and ... |
| [21:03:11] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [21:03:25] | Beirdo: | it will, and that's an issue, to be sure |
| [21:03:25] | timothy1jones: | sphery, sorry, but that didn't help http://dpaste.com/205845/ |
| [21:03:36] | Beirdo: | making sure ya don't miss a spot... yikes |
| [21:05:07] | sphery: | So, basically, since the current implementation /always/ works if you configure all your MythTV processes and the MySQL server to run with the same time zone (don't even need to change system configuration), and 2x per year those of us who live in areas with DST remember to proper pad any recordings that cross the DST-switch boundary, I will never put in the effort to "fix" the problem. We have a /whole/ lot of problems that are far more important ... |
| [21:05:13] | sphery: | ... to fix, IMHO. :) |
| [21:05:32] | sphery: | 2010-06- |
| [21:05:35] | sphery: | grr |
| [21:05:48] | sphery: | 2010-06–10 16:55:42.281 Detected time zone settings: Master: Zone ID: 'US/Eastern', UTC Offset: '-14400', Current Time: '2010-06- |
| [21:05:48] | Beirdo: | there. |
| [21:05:57] | ** sphery hates dpaste.com ** | |
| [21:06:13] | timothy1jones: | sphery, I fixt it. I tweaked the time on *doze computer to be with 1 min of linux BE |
| [21:06:16] | Beirdo: | I just assigned the ticket to me so I can find it later should I want to dive into it in detail. |
| [21:06:33] | sphery: | yeah, that was the issue |
| [21:06:36] | sphery: | it was off by > 5min |
| [21:07:23] | timothy1jones: | yes, but you said within 20min ^^^ :P |
| [21:08:15] | timothy1jones: | sphery, thank you for pointing me in the right direction :) |
| [21:08:35] | Beirdo: | ntp is your friend |
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| [21:09:12] | wagnerrp: | epoch time is always consistent, right? |
| [21:09:31] | Beirdo: | it's defined as the number of seconds past Jan 1, 1970 in GMT |
| [21:09:33] | sid3windr: | ewok time! |
| [21:09:34] | Beirdo: | IIRC |
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| [21:09:54] | Beirdo: | so yeah, it should be consistant all the time |
| [21:10:16] | wagnerrp: | right, but its the exact number of seconds, regardless of leapyears/days/seconds/whatever? |
| [21:10:25] | sphery: | timothy1jones: Yeah, I misremembered which is which. It's must-be-within-5-minutes-but-you-get-warned-if-greater-than-20-seconds |
| [21:11:01] | sphery: | I knew 5 and 20--just didn't remember which was warn and which was exit (5min exit/20sec warn or 20min exit/5min warn) |
| [21:11:25] | sphery: | timothy1jones: really, though, if you're using Live TV, you need to use NTP on all MythTV systems or it will fail |
| [21:11:39] | wagnerrp: | so if anything were to change, it should just be to store /everything/ to epoch time, and do conversions from that for display as necessary |
| [21:12:15] | wagnerrp: | considering even GMT will suffer irregularities |
| [21:12:56] | dae_: | Hi, I have issues with video stuttering after upgrading the backend to 0.23+fixes on ubuntu server 10.04. I'm pretty sure the issue is due to the backend, but I can't find any more leads for debugging this and could use some help. I have detailed my problem here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1506577 . Could anyone help me on the next steps? |
| [21:13:15] | wagnerrp: | why do you think the issue has anything to do with the backend? |
| [21:13:45] | Beirdo: | well, sorry, UTC, not GMT |
| [21:14:16] | Beirdo: | dunno what it does with leap seconds, and to be honest, I don't care THAT much :) |
| [21:14:16] | sphery: | assuming you meant UT1 for GMT, it's basically the same :) |
| [21:14:26] | wagnerrp: | UTC is going to have irregularities too |
| [21:14:32] | dae_: | wagnerrp, It is seen at the same time in the videostream on multiple frontends and well as if I play back the stream later. And it is impacted significantly by the backend process loglevel. |
| [21:14:32] | Beirdo: | but it's the standard that the filesystem, etc uses |
| [21:14:44] | Beirdo: | how can it have irregularities? |
| [21:14:50] | wagnerrp: | leapseconds |
| [21:14:54] | Beirdo: | a leap second is a second |
| [21:15:02] | sphery: | those will affect Unix time, too, right? |
| [21:15:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont think they do |
| [21:15:13] | sphery: | since you'll have one value that equals 2 UTC times |
| [21:15:14] | Beirdo: | it's the conversion from epoch time to human time that is the part that gets tricky |
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| [21:15:32] | sphery: | er, 2 seconds of real time, as expressed in UTC |
| [21:15:34] | wagnerrp: | if epoch is literally the number of seconds since the epoch, it shouldnt have any added seconds |
| [21:15:50] | Beirdo: | leap seconds aren't added seconds |
| [21:15:56] | wagnerrp: | yes, they are |
| [21:15:59] | Beirdo: | they are delayed beginning of the next minute |
| [21:16:07] | Beirdo: | a second is a second is a second |
| [21:16:14] | Beirdo: | it is a finite amount of time |
| [21:16:16] | sid3windr: | but it's the second second |
| [21:16:22] | sid3windr: | of the minute |
| [21:16:22] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [21:16:27] | wagnerrp: | added or deleted, its an offset in system |
| [21:16:39] | Beirdo: | it just means that the conversion from epoch time to human time gets skewed |
| [21:17:00] | Beirdo: | the number of actual seconds are a finite count that monotomically increases |
| [21:17:39] | Beirdo: | the offset is in the strftime, not in the unix epoch time, is my understanding |
| [21:17:45] | ** wagnerrp just wants to use an integer, rather than multiple assorted time standards ** | |
| [21:17:57] | Beirdo: | that's what unix epoch time IS |
| [21:18:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: When a leap second occurs, so that the UTC day is not exactly 86 400 s long, a discontinuity occurs in the Unix time number. |
| [21:18:20] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time |
| [21:18:28] | sphery: | The Unix time number increases by exactly 86 400 each day, regardless of how long the day is. |
| [21:18:30] | wagnerrp: | right, thats why im saying you would use epoch, rather than UTC/GMT/UT1/.... |
| [21:18:40] | Beirdo: | sphery: ummm, no |
| [21:18:50] | Beirdo: | I am pretty sure they have that wrong |
| [21:18:56] | sphery: | that may be |
| [21:19:12] | sphery: | I'm not a Unix time expert, but my understanding is based on info in that page |
| [21:19:25] | Beirdo: | or maybe I'm on crack |
| [21:19:38] | Beirdo: | but either way... leap seconds don't matter much for our scheduling |
| [21:19:49] | sphery: | all I know is that the kernel devs are always wrestling with issues due to unix time and leap seconds |
| [21:19:58] | sphery: | and I've had systems crash because of it :) |
| [21:20:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, you could be right. |
| [21:20:13] | sphery: | fortunately we don't have a lot of leap seconds |
| [21:20:14] | Beirdo: | but for our purposes, they are irrelevant anyways |
| [21:20:17] | sphery: | true |
| [21:20:31] | sphery: | the chances of a leap second affecting a recording are very small, indeed |
| [21:20:54] | Beirdo: | and at worst, by a second... :) |
| [21:21:13] | sphery: | regardless, I still think that we have a lot more important things to fix in MythTV before "fix" the fact that users can't have one system in LA and another in NY and let them work as a single MythTV system |
| [21:21:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:21:38] | sphery: | (without changing the time zone :) |
| [21:21:55] | Beirdo: | it's more like the mysql server's on GMT (for other reasons), and the mythbox on local time |
| [21:22:19] | Beirdo: | but you do have a good point |
| [21:22:21] | sphery: | yeah, for that case, you'd run a different MySQL server for MythTV :) |
| [21:22:29] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [21:22:49] | Beirdo: | that's silliness caused by silly code :) Which I may fix at some time, but not right now |
| [21:23:11] | sphery: | because MySQL server has to run in the same time zone as MythTV or it will break some things (MythWeb uses MySQL to do date conversion in the Perl streaming stuff because Perl's date support is so bad) |
| [21:23:53] | subone: | well i tried mythtv again after updating but it is still behind the gnome-panel (without compiz on) and also now the selected menu item is invisible |
| [21:24:07] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, as I said... silly code :) |
| [21:24:39] | sphery: | some users complain that when they move from one TZ to another, their old recordings are shown with the wrong recording times. I'd argue that it's far more useful to show the recordings as having happened in a generally-recognized-as-close-to-prime-time period than to have prime time recordings showing up as having happened at 3:00pm local time a year ago |
| [21:24:43] | Beirdo: | there are ways around all that... but it will be a BIG thing to change, so I'm not biting it off today |
| [21:25:31] | sphery: | yeah, big enough that I think it will cause a ton a problems/instability for a long time, and at the end, we'll have a system that works exactly the same but allows a few users to do things they probably don't need to do |
| [21:26:13] | sphery: | oh, and users won't have to pad any recordings they do that touch or span the DST changeover that may happen 2x per year |
| [21:26:43] | subone: | hmm it would appear that changing the theme does not change the issue: the selected item is always invisible |
| [21:27:24] | iamlindoro: | because you have themes installed from a version that doesn't match your version of myth |
| [21:27:33] | iamlindoro: | ie, you have .22 themes with .23 installed |
| [21:27:45] | subone: | ok so... |
| [21:28:11] | Beirdo: | sphery, yeah, there are far more important things to deal with |
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| [21:28:34] | Beirdo: | I'm fine with it staying closed for now :) Although I did claim the closed ticket so I can find it later |
| [21:28:46] | Beirdo: | that seems like a long-weekend project |
| [21:29:20] | subone: | iamlindoro, how would i fix that given that i installed using the ubuntu repo and then installed the autobuild package from the site and then updated through apt |
| [21:29:30] | iamlindoro: | Ask the mythbuntu folks |
| [21:29:35] | Beirdo: | or maybe a vacation week project. hehe |
| [21:29:49] | iamlindoro: | but ods are you have only completed a partial upgrade |
| [21:29:56] | iamlindoro: | and that apt told you it was holding packages back |
| [21:30:01] | iamlindoro: | including themes |
| [21:30:03] | Beirdo: | btw, yon bot uses epoch time... :) |
| [21:30:07] | ** Beirdo pats MythLogBot ** | |
| [21:30:08] | iamlindoro: | but anyway, #mythbuntu for ubuntu package help |
| [21:30:31] | subone: | iamlindoro, im not on mythbuntu just ubuntu with mythtv installed |
| [21:31:12] | sphery: | subone: there's an issue some *buntu users have encountered that after enabling auto-builds and installing the update they didn't actually run the updated version |
| [21:31:34] | sphery: | subone: I /highly/ recommend rebooting your system completely (all frontends/backends) to make sure you're up to date |
| [21:31:44] | subone: | yes it appears it says it did hold some back how do i fix that |
| [21:32:06] | Beirdo: | sphery: I have havokmud (an in-progress code-base) half-assed converted to using protobufs now |
| [21:32:28] | Beirdo: | need to push the protobuf support down another layer of code though (for efficiency) |
| [21:32:57] | sphery: | Beirdo: nice... I really like the looks of protobuf--and Python has from-Google support and Perl and PHP have libs we could use |
| [21:33:04] | iamlindoro: | subone: mythbuntu provides the ubuntu packages |
| [21:33:07] | Beirdo: | gonna make theeventual web-frontend a lot easier to do |
| [21:33:12] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:33:13] | iamlindoro: | so you will need to ask them |
| [21:33:14] | sphery: | so I really think that will be the protocol I choose for the embedded db |
| [21:33:15] | iamlindoro: | #mythbuntu |
| [21:33:21] | Beirdo: | and Ruby, and C++ and C :) |
| [21:33:21] | subone: | ok |
| [21:33:46] | sphery: | subone: meaning /join #mythbuntu |
| [21:33:47] | sphery: | :) |
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| [21:34:51] | Beirdo: | sphery: sweet. we can also look at making the mythbackend protocol use it too. That should bust the 3rd party abusers good until they use the protocol as designed :) |
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| [21:36:29] | sphery: | RDV_Linux_: so, about an hour ago, I was going to ask you if you could try that reloading MythBrowser issue after starting mythfrontend in an environment with: QT_NO_GLIB=1 (got distracted by the TZ talk :) |
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| [21:36:49] | sphery: | i.e. the http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8552 issue |
| [21:37:11] | dae_: | wagnerrp, I put a sample of data from the backend at http://www.dnil.se/temp/14_20100610232050.nuv where the stuttering occurs around 10s, 22s and 43s into the stream. It is reproducable using mplayer on a completely different machine. |
| [21:37:14] | RDV_Linux_: | sphery: Looking now |
| [21:37:17] | sphery: | there wasn't much of interest in the bt--just a bunch of event stuff... |
| [21:38:08] | sphery: | I don't have any idea what might be happening |
| [21:42:39] | sid3windr: | ok – .23 definitely broke my pvr500 recording ;/ |
| [21:43:00] | sid3windr: | though I wonder why or how |
| [21:43:11] | sid3windr: | doesnt the backend just take the mpeg from the pvr card and dump it to disk? |
| [21:43:12] | sphery: | RDV_Linux_: Oh, btw, all I'm interested in with that test is whether it also crashes--no need for a new backtrace or anything |
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| [21:44:03] | sphery: | sid3windr: more likely the other upgrades you did at the same time (such as the distro upgrade or kernel or module upgrade) broke your PVR-500 |
| [21:44:17] | sphery: | sid3windr: capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [21:44:17] | sid3windr: | I didn't do any other upgrades at the same time |
| [21:44:29] | sid3windr: | (also did not reboot nor rmmod/modprobe/..) |
| [21:44:34] | sphery: | sid3windr: it's not destructive--your channels and video sources will remain undisturbed |
| [21:44:58] | sid3windr: | I'll try that |
| [21:45:02] | sphery: | well, TTBOMK, the PVR-xx0 still works fine with MythTV 0.23, so all I'm saying is that something else broke it--not MythTV :) |
| [21:45:18] | sid3windr: | yea I would assume some devs are using pvrs |
| [21:45:22] | sphery: | sid3windr: make sure you just do the capture card portion of it, though |
| [21:45:23] | sid3windr: | also, it's recording fine |
| [21:45:27] | sphery: | and it's always good to backup first |
| [21:45:28] | sid3windr: | it's just the recording that is bork. |
| [21:45:34] | sid3windr: | and only the video |
| [21:45:39] | sid3windr: | also, when viewing livetv, it's fine |
| [21:45:40] | sphery: | so playback isn't working? |
| [21:45:44] | sid3windr: | it is |
| [21:45:49] | sid3windr: | the mpg is kind of corrupted |
| [21:45:53] | sid3windr: | i've uploaded a small sample somewhere |
| [21:45:56] | sphery: | but not for Live TV? |
| [21:45:57] | sid3windr: | lets see if I can find that back |
| [21:46:01] | sphery: | sounds like a broken recording profile |
| [21:46:02] | sid3windr: | no, not for livetv |
| [21:46:13] | sid3windr: | http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/broken500.mpg |
| [21:46:21] | sphery: | I can't really test that from here |
| [21:46:25] | sid3windr: | ok :) |
| [21:46:26] | sphery: | but check your recording profiles |
| [21:46:37] | sid3windr: | it's a few sec clip with nice distorted video :/ |
| [21:46:41] | sphery: | live tv is a different profile from recordings |
| [21:46:42] | sid3windr: | that's in mythtv-setup on the backend right |
| [21:46:53] | sphery: | I think it's mythfrontend settings |
| [21:47:00] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings... |
| [21:47:03] | sphery: | something |
| [21:47:08] | sphery: | Recording Profiles? perhaps? |
| [21:48:00] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [21:48:08] | sid3windr: | then I'll have to go down to the living room to check |
| [21:48:20] | sid3windr: | how do I know if there's anything that is wrong there? |
| [21:55:41] | RDV_Linux_: | sphery: Did the test it still aborts as before. The first time the video plays but the screen is black when that environment is set to 1. Which does not happen when it is not set to any value. |
| [21:57:52] | sphery: | RDV_Linux_: ok, thanks for the test |
| [21:58:36] | RDV_Linux_: | sphery: np. I would like to get this one fixed as or it will be a lot of extra work for my next MNV grabber. |
| [21:59:07] | sphery: | have you tried disabling plugins one by one to see if one of them is the culprit? |
| [21:59:26] | sphery: | it's definitely crashing deep within QtWebKit code |
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| [22:00:43] | sphery: | if it's not one of the plugins, it may require a fix to Qt, which would be much easier with Qt debug symbols installed |
| [22:01:27] | sphery: | (and a bt that uses those symbols, that is :) |
| [22:05:26] | sid3windr: | sphery: I compared all 4 recording profiles (livetv, default, high q & low q), they're all 4 identical in mythfrontend.. |
| [22:05:32] | sid3windr: | :/ |
| [22:06:18] | sphery: | hmm |
| [22:06:30] | sphery: | don't know what it might be then |
| [22:06:38] | sid3windr: | thanks for the help |
| [22:06:46] | sid3windr: | guess I'll better to subscribe to the users list and post there |
| [22:06:49] | sid3windr: | s/to/go/ |
| [22:07:00] | sid3windr: | maybe someone sees the problem when seeing the mpg |
| [22:07:16] | sid3windr: | hmmm |
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| [22:07:32] | sid3windr: | I have 2 pvr500 – I'm not sure if livetv uses the same tuner card as recordings |
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| [22:19:43] | yunosh: | hi! since videos are identified by hashes now, can i simply move videos from one directory of the video storage group to another without any loss? i guess the same question applies to recordings |
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| [22:29:15] | sphery: | sid3windr: generally, it uses a different tuner from recordings, so you may need to start 2 recordings simultaneously to see if one of the 2 tuners is borked |
| [22:30:08] | iamlindoro: | yunosh, Yes, you can move and rename videos, after which you need to rescan, hashes are not used with recordings, but you can move them within directories on the same host without issue |
| [22:30:09] | sphery: | yunosh: you can always move any file from one directory of a specific storage group to another directory in the same storage group (and accessible to the same host) |
| [22:30:16] | sphery: | yunosh: the has allows renaming... |
| [22:30:22] | sphery: | yunosh: which you can /not/ do with recordings |
| [22:30:26] | sphery: | s/has/hash/ |
| [22:30:40] | iamlindoro: | note that if you move a video, you still need to rescan even if you don't rename it |
| [22:30:49] | sphery: | i think iamlindoro wins... he got it all out faster |
| [22:30:50] | iamlindoro: | since videos are stored by path as well as filename |
| [22:31:00] | sphery: | ah, didn't realize that |
| [22:31:17] | yunosh: | thanks, that's great |
| [22:31:31] | sphery: | I should stick to just answering the TV questions :) |
| [22:31:51] | yunosh: | this makes managing storage groups and adding/removing of HDDs really easy |
| [22:31:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery, pfft, you did fine ;) |
| [22:32:11] | subone: | how do i change the resolution of mythtv? i tried geometry and windowed mode but still no matter what i do it says: "Using theme base resolution of 1280x720" and it doesnt display right, nor will it allow me into appearances in setup |
| [22:32:13] | sphery: | yunosh: yep, SG's are awesome |
| [22:32:39] | iamlindoro: | subone, That's because that's the theme's base resolution, not the resolution to which it is being scaled |
| [22:32:42] | sphery: | subone: mythfrontend -geometry 800x600 , then go to appearance settings and fix it, then restart |
| [22:32:44] | subone: | note: i have two screens and it is set to screen 1 (second screen) but shows on both (second screen is distorted) |
| [22:32:52] | iamlindoro: | you are using a theme written for 720p, it will always say 1280x720 |
| [22:33:06] | sphery: | and it sounds like you're using a borked twinview setup |
| [22:33:09] | subone: | oh, well then maybe thats not my issue |
| [22:33:20] | subone: | it was working fine before i upgraded |
| [22:34:27] | subone: | i can see everything just fine on the first screen but when i go to Setup>anything it doesnt do anything (doesnt show the options) then pressing escape brings control back at the same screen i was on (setup) |
| [22:35:23] | subone: | i tried using windowed mode even but it still goes fullscreen after a moment |
| [22:36:17] | subone: | ah ok nvm, found the -r switch |
| [22:37:09] | subone: | hmm seems it was opengl mode that was the issue |
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| [22:38:57] | subone: | strange, opengl worked before upgrading |
| [22:42:01] | subone: | is there anyway to download metadata for all my movies at once instead of individually manually |
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| [22:51:00] | gregl: | subone: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Synopsis |
| [22:51:54] | subone: | what are banners? |
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| [23:21:47] | GreyFoxx: | Trunk supports downloading all meta at once, previous to that you need to use one of the many scripts out there for it |
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| [23:27:14] | keld: | can I record 2 channels from the same mux, and how? |
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| [23:29:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | keld: multirec – in the tuner setup, select the number of simultaneous recordings for that tuner (don't remember the exact phrasing) |
| [23:29:54] | keld: | yes I did that, still it reports conflict |
| [23:30:17] | sphery: | and you restarted mythbackend after changing mythtv-setup values? |
| [23:30:27] | sphery: | and you're sure the shows are on the same mux? |
| [23:30:44] | sphery: | it will work fine once properly configured |
| [23:30:51] | keld: | I also set a general setting allowing 3 simultaneous recordings |
| [23:31:30] | keld: | and I have had the whole system rebooted, and also made a refill of data base a couple of times |
| [23:31:31] | sphery: | don't know of any such setting--perhaps you mean allowing 3 simultaneous jobs or something |
| [23:32:26] | sphery: | but in the capture card setup, if you go into the screen where you can specify max number of recordings (and don't change the value to 1), you're enabling multirec |
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| [23:35:56] | keld: | I checked my settings, and .... corrected it, and now there are no conflicts |
| [23:37:04] | sphery: | keld: great... enjoy |
| [23:37:25] | keld: | thanks |
| [23:38:05] | keld: | is there any recommended value?, say 3? or why limit it? |
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| [23:38:35] | iamlindoro: | It is limited because it relies on hardware PID filters in your card, and 5 is a sane default that most cards should have |
| [23:39:45] | sphery: | sane default max :) |
| [23:39:54] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [23:40:02] | BLZbubba: | does mythtv have a way to switch pids when playing a video with multiple streams? |
| [23:40:12] | keld: | hmm, my card is only a tuner, so my understanding is the the normal cpu just get the full TS and filters on PID there |
| [23:40:17] | sphery: | the MythTV default is no multirec, unless you happen to hit the button that goes to the screen where you enable multirec, in which case it defaults to 2 |
| [23:40:18] | iamlindoro: | when those pids all exist within the same program, sure |
| [23:40:22] | BLZbubba: | or pr0n dvd's with multiple camera angles? |
| [23:40:30] | iamlindoro: | ie, yes, you can swap to the other subtitle and audio streams |
| [23:40:39] | iamlindoro: | and yes, multi-angle DVD is supported |
| [23:41:00] | BLZbubba: | cool, i will try it with a mkv; what is the keystroke? |
| [23:41:16] | iamlindoro: | open the context menu and select the subtitle or audio stream |
| [23:41:18] | sphery: | should be able to find an option on the menu |
| [23:41:20] | sphery: | M |
| [23:43:58] | BLZbubba: | fantastic |
| [23:44:20] | keld: | so should the default be no limit? and then hw would possibly limit you? why have the default of 1, which in maybe most cases be unnessesarily limiting? |
| [23:45:06] | sphery: | because enabling multirec can cause performance issues, it's safer to default to off or a very low value (2 programs per input) |
| [23:45:15] | sphery: | then users who want and need it can enable it |
| [23:45:21] | iamlindoro: | And because the hardware won't tell you when it's run out of PID filters |
| [23:45:24] | iamlindoro: | it'll just fail |
| [23:45:30] | iamlindoro: | which I'm sure users would love |
| [23:45:39] | sphery: | and even if there's a hardware limit, we still have to do the scheduling for the configured number of inputs |
| [23:45:42] | keld: | :-) |
| [23:46:00] | sphery: | so why schedule for infinite inputs only to find out that some won't work :) |
| [23:46:22] | sphery: | (at which point it may be too late to fix the schedule to record the most important things) |
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| [23:53:23] | keld: | hmm, but otoh I think that many users will not get around to altering the default of 1, which imho is a pity for them |
| [23:53:47] | sphery: | well, MythTV is designed for the hobbyist |
| [23:54:03] | iamlindoro: | Since using multirec requires informed, responsible consideration of the downsides, I don't think it's a pity at all |
| [23:54:04] | sphery: | if you don't take the time to learn to configure it for your desires, you get the safe default that works for everyone |
| [23:54:17] | iamlindoro: | it's set to a default that will behave reliably, and any step past that requires a conscious decision |
| [23:54:23] | keld: | that is – quite knowledgeable person... |
| [23:55:54] | kormoc: | Really |
| [23:56:05] | kormoc: | how many of our users could use multi-rec without knowing they can use multi-rec? |
| [23:56:14] | keld: | Iam participating in a distribution design, where we try to go for the less educated audience. Should I rather go for another TV product than mythtv as the base offering? |
| [23:56:14] | kormoc: | I'd say it's a massive minority |
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| [23:57:06] | iamlindoro: | Myth is definitely not designed for the less educated audience |
| [23:57:14] | kormoc: | keld, when you target a audience that doesn't want to educate themselves, they'll always have a less then ideal product, why is that a issue in your eyes? |
| [23:57:18] | iamlindoro: | as open source projects go, it is on the higher end of required technical proficiency |
| [23:57:50] | iamlindoro: | I would not expect to be able to roll out MythTV to the masses without many many thousands of man-hours of reworking it |
| [23:57:54] | iamlindoro: | and if so, patches welcome ;) |
| [23:58:40] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I won't even set up MythTV for family members because of the amount of support that would be required |
| [23:59:06] | sphery: | for me, it's MyTV--my family can get their own :) |
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