Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, June 7th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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drindt:

kormoc: you can point me to the trunk version i can replace the download pl script to test the latest version if you find that useful

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kormoc:

there's no difference that would cause that

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whitejs:

when I run mythfrontend on a new install of debian lenny the fonts are so tiny as to render the configuration gui unuseable. Did I miss a dependency on the default font or something?

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drindt:

kormoc: ok

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drindt:

iam not really experienced with perl, but i will look, probably i can see something...

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drindt:

thank you guys for the informations, have a good night. cheers

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whitejs:

I manually created a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt pointing it to the backend database and the fonts are now normal sized.

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whitejs:

weird

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kormoc:

sphery, wagnerrp, iamlindoro, If you guys want, cache_apc should be really painless to enable and is showing pretty solid speeds (popups from 2.5 seconds to 600 ms on my box)

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wagnerrp:

in -fixes or trunk?

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kormoc:

trunk

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wagnerrp:

i guess theres no reason why i couldnt have a separate trunk mythweb install on the same server

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wagnerrp:

although i really need to get some recordings on that trunk backend for testing

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nope, no reason why not

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kormoc:

(right now)

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** wagnerrp gets to it... **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I assume when I have apc installed that it should show up as a cache option?

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wagnerrp:

apc is... php module?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yes

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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iamlindoro:

hmmm

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kormoc:

should be in your package manager

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iamlindoro:

what does it look for? I have it installed and enabled TTBOMK

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kormoc:

and would just need to bounce apache to get it to show up

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wagnerrp:

seems youre a 'yes man' tonight..

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, it should show up as cache_apc in the option list

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iamlindoro:

yeah, not there, will try another apache reload and maybe clear my local cache

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I check for apc_add existing, but I'm going to switch that over to apc_fetch (functions)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, any way I can perform the check manually to see what it does?

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iamlindoro:

ie the equivalent of manually doing an "import" in python or something

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kormoc:

<?php echo phpinfo();

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kormoc:

put that into a file and browse to it

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kormoc:

you should have apc showing up in there if it's enabled

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iamlindoro:

got it now

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iamlindoro:

just had to bounce apache again

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iamlindoro:

That is a nice little speed bump!

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kormoc:

We cache for 5 minutes figuring that's pretty safe

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wagnerrp:

anything i should be enabling on this? mmap? semaphores?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nopers

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Just for my own understanding, can you explain how the cache mechanism works?

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iamlindoro:

and pardon if that's a dumb question

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kormoc:

certainly and no worries

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kormoc:

So when we load up the program data for a show, it's pretty expensive to do all the database/backend calls to get the data and to put it into the data structures

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kormoc:

so we do all the work to get the object together and we store it assembled into memory and when we go to create it again, we check the memory for a pre-assembled object and if it's there, we use that rather then re-assembling it again

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iamlindoro:

ok, I see-- so how does it manage to speed up the initial load of a given popup?

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iamlindoro:

I figured that data was loaded on-demnad

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kormoc:

Sure, but we just loaded it to display the main page

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kormoc:

the program object is the same for the popup as it is for the listing's page

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kormoc:

So to view the listings page, we created all thousand programs already

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kormoc:

and then for the popup, we just re-use the ones we created for the listings page, as they're the same data

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kormoc:

Does that make sense?

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iamlindoro:

It does, though I didn't think I had gone to the listings page already:)

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iamlindoro:

though I guess it's the same with upcoming/recorded

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, makes sense, thanks

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kormoc:

exactly, the same :)

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kormoc:

np :)

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wagnerrp:

this could take a while... it wants to reinstall php

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** kormoc raises an eyeborw **

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wagnerrp:

which probably means it wants all the other little includes too

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wagnerrp:

(package manager)

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kormoc:

that's kinda absurd

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kormoc:

but fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

wait... no...

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wagnerrp:

im trying to install this on the base system, which doesnt have PHP installed anyway

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wagnerrp:

ive got apache shoved off in a container

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wagnerrp:

cant actually tell if its working, i never added any channels to this system

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kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

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wagnerrp:

tried adding them, but i cant get mythtv-setup to run

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wagnerrp:

so... im rebuilding a newer version of trunk

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mcl0vin:

what could cause my keyboard vot to work

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mcl0vin:

*not

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mcl0vin:

after i start the pc and it loads mythtv

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tank-man:

its not pluged in

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mcl0vin:

then it stops

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tank-man:

does mythtv have focus?

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mcl0vin:

tank-man: it should

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tank-man:

does numlock/caps lock work?

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mcl0vin:

but none work..ctrl+alt F2

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squish102:

does mythtv have any kind of slingbox capabilities? id like to stream something i'm recording to my pc at work.

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[R]:

you can stream over mythweb...

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tank-man:

what is slingbox

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mcl0vin:

u don't know dling box

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mcl0vin:

*sling

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mcl0vin:

:)

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mcl0vin:

tank-man: lgthfy :P

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mcl0vin:

its like mythtv

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squish102:

ok, mythweb it is then

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tank-man:

if you have the bandwith, you can just setup a frontend at work

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mcl0vin:

you plug in the box at one location, and you watch it some way on the other side TCP/IP

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squish102:

is the webpage one better, or the asx stream one?

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mcl0vin:

so the whole mythtv box freez

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squish102:

i only have 35k upload

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wagnerrp:

35kbps or KB/s?

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squish102:

whatever is slower

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tank-man:

yea, slower than dialup

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squish102:

time warner cable

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wagnerrp:

35kbps is pathetic

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kormoc:

squish102, you would need to use the flash streaming with that upload

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre looking at maybe 1mbps total download speed with that

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mcl0vin:

what is flash stream

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squish102:

ok, thanks

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wagnerrp:

are you sure you dont mean 35KB/s? (280kbps)

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mcl0vin:

there is no bytes in speed

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mcl0vin:

it is all bits

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mcl0vin:

well from a cisco point of view

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I'm wondering about upcoming recordings in clean blue-- the recordings themselves use a fixed width but the Display/Filter bit at the top is centered according to the relative width

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squish102:

just tested my line. dl = 12.11 Mb/s and ul = 0.36 Mb/s

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mcl0vin:

ppl always get excited ...i have 6 MB at home

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats about the right ratio

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wagnerrp:

your download speed is actually limited by your limited upload

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squish102:

it actually sucks so bad. try uploading some video to youtube

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at mcl0vin **

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wagnerrp:

TCP requires about a 35:1 ratio

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sphery:

kormoc: you're making me recompile php way too often

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah? What bout it?

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kormoc:

sphery, hehe, sorry

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sphery:

you should tell me about all these php options you plan to take advantage of in the future :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Just thought it felt odd that the controlled for a specific screen wasn't centered in relation to the things it is controlling-- but that said, as a myth themer, I know how many things are just artistic decisions-- so either way :)

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kormoc:

Uhh, let's see... Reflection, SPL, mysqlnd...

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iamlindoro:

er controller

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wagnerrp:

anyway squish102, you dont even want to try streaming content

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ahh, it's purely layout weirdnesses on some of those pages, I didn't really feel like modifying all the other themes to make everything center properly yet

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sphery:

I wish whitejs stuck around

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: in networking u don't say Mega byte per second, you say mega bits / second

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sphery:

I need him to tell me how to repro that issue so that I can fix it

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: you can say whatever you please, so long as you make it know what youre referring to

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, just wasnt sure whether the skin as a whole is meant to be fixed width (a la upcoming) or relative (a la recorded)

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, it was more the fact that you think people get excited about 6MB

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wagnerrp:

i would get excited over 48mbps service

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, hrm, good question, I haven't really thought too much bout that

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I just signed up for 100/100

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wagnerrp:

ooooh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, pondering if I should upgrade to the 200/200 when they offer it in a few months

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squish102:

kormoc what isp offers that?

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kormoc:

squish102, condointernet.net

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iamlindoro:

I want 100 symmetric!

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iamlindoro:

maaaan

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wagnerrp:

id be content with 10 symmetric

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the price really got to me, $60 a month after tax and all fees

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iamlindoro:

I'd be content with current speed with 24 hours of straight uptime

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wagnerrp:

20 would be better, 40 would be perfect

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squish102:

kormoc lets hope that is the future (although it looks to be going the other way)

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kormoc:

squish102, as more fiber starts getting cheaper, it'll pop up more and more

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, That's almost certainly less than I'm paying now-- lucky!

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kormoc:

but yeah, this was a total jackpot, move out of fios area and I was very sad and then a few months later, jackpot!

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sphery:

100Mbps for $60/mo after taxes and fees?

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

and here I am stuck with my 7.5Mbps/1Mbps

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wagnerrp:

and here i am stuck with my 4.5Mbps/.75Mbps

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mcl0vin:

what could cause my box to freez so often now

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[R]:

i've got like 12Mbps

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sphery:

wagnerrp: explaines why it took you longer to send than me :)

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[R]:

you guys have super crappy connections

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kormoc:

25/15 to 1.5/768k to 100/100 :)

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah... and there's FIOS available less than 100yds away

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sphery:

and I'll bet they allow you to run servers on that, too, right?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh damn

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kormoc:

sphery, yes, and they'll give me a full subnet (/24) of static ips for free as well

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kormoc:

with full rdns control to boot

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, AT&T Uverse is available just down the road from me, but they tell me, "We were not able to find that address," (which, I presume, means that I'm not in their covered area).

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wagnerrp:

they have full C-blocks to give?

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sphery:

nice

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, yes

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[R]:

thats why we are unning out of ipv4

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[R]:

because of nonsense like taht

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wagnerrp:

and here i am thinking im special with my /29

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kormoc:

[R], I might have 253 servers in my condo!

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[R]:

lol

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kormoc:

[R], actually, renting another apartment and a few connections of theirs would be cheaper then coloing...

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** kormoc wonders the legality of getting 30 amp drops installed **

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

kormoc: ah, apc is a separate source package, not part of php, so I just have to compile one little thing

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kormoc:

yeah

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sphery:

makes it much easier :)

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mcl0vin:

http://pastebin.com/1LKmmVfV can someone look at my dmesg maybe they can help me please

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mcl0vin:

can mythtv burn a show to dvd

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squish102:

mcl0vin look at the menu option in fronetend called 'archive'

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squish102:

'atchive files'

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mcl0vin:

i dont see that option

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kormoc:

Install MythArchive

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: how please

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kormoc:

I just run emerge mytharchive, but YMMV

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I can't seem to find anything on this. Is there any way to change the default directory for channel icons that isn't under the current users directory?

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wagnerrp:

icons are always stored under the mythconfigdir, where ever that is

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to change it?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I don't like having systemwide configuration data under a user's home directory?

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wagnerrp:

but its typically not system-wide

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Aren't channel icons a system, not a user setting?

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wagnerrp:

usually you just have the one user running mythtv

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, they're backend wide?

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, they're streamed from the backend

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wagnerrp:

the backend stored them under its own configdir

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wagnerrp:

and if the frontend doesnt find them locally, it will pull them from the backend

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I like to keep mine in the structure with the fanart, banner, etc storage groups.

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kormoc:

So symlink?

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kormoc:

Write a patch?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I'm the only one who thinks it makes sense, no point in putting in a change.

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wagnerrp:

i somehow seem to have lost my mouse cursor

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kormoc:

The backend manages them, reads and writes them, it seems to make sense for the backend to own them

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, put out some cheese

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I agree with that. That's why having it under a home directory doesn't make sense to me. But as I said, if it makes sense to everyone else, it isn't worth me seeing it doesn't.

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, so just symlink it to where you want it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Over the weekend I rebuilt the whole backend, so I'm looking into a bunch of things I've been ignoring for a few years.

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wagnerrp:

GadgetWisdomGuru: consider it more like an icon cache

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wagnerrp:

those are just locally cached versions of the ones owned by the frontend

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wagnerrp:

like how your theme images are a locally cached (and scaled) version of the masters

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, this is on the backend.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've just been using the old CLI icon script with the icondir option to put it where I want

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wagnerrp:

youre not running the frontend as the same user as the backend?

[03:20:20]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not running them on the same computer

[03:20:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

The backend is on the file server.

[03:20:36]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have separate frontends.

[03:20:44]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

backend is completely headless

[03:20:53]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also shut the frontends off when not in use

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kormoc:

I'm so confused as to why this matters so much, you can symlink them into where you want, it doesn't matter where your frontends are...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, that is what I was saying. It doesn't matter much

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If no one but me likes it the way I like it, then I won't bother trying to propose any sort of patch.

[03:22:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

No point.

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wagnerrp:

its been proposed a couple times to move icons to a storage group

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, I'd be for that.

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wagnerrp:

but no one got up the motivation to actually do it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

It would make sense for me, if only because I think that all the media should be managed identically, and I think of the icons as akin to the banners and such

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wagnerrp:

so it has remained

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, so what's wrong with just symlinking them to where you want?

[03:24:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, nothing. I just wanted to know if there was a way to change it under the current system.

[03:24:09]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

If there isn't, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing

[03:24:14]

wagnerrp:

bleh... teach me to go 40 minutes in a game without saving...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

As I said, it isn't an issue.

[03:25:02]

wagnerrp:

and thats why no one has bothered to 'fix' it

[03:25:14]

wagnerrp:

no real gain, for a not insignificant amount of work

[03:25:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

As I said, if no one but me doesn't like it, then I won't worry.

[03:25:31]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I have a lot of ideas that aren't mainstream

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wagnerrp:

im not saying people dont like it, or dont think it should be done

[03:26:16]

wagnerrp:

more that no one wants to do it themselves... very low priority

[03:26:17]

mcl0vin:

got errors when archiving

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Okay.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll just move on to my next problem, which is more important.

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, congratz?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How to best reorganize my mythVideo directories for the storage group.

[03:26:48]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But that isn't something I need input on

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mcl0vin:

hahahgaha

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, the same way they are now?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I previously only had the MythVideo stretched on one drive, yet the recordings were on three. So, I thought I'd stretch the MythVideo storage group to more space

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I hate running out of space because I didn't allocate enough to one over the other

[03:30:37]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And I brought back an additional 750GB...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I did find the remote option you mentioned though.

[03:31:47]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Am going to have to try that out.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, caching frontend scans now, if you want to double check that it's better

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and we shouldn't be shipping .pyc files, right?

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wagnerrp:

right, those should be built by the end user

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wagnerrp:

did i let one slip in?

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kormoc:

We have one in the netvision tree somewhere

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kormoc:

so I doubt it was you

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kormoc:

but we can setup svn ignores so they don't slip in in the future :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont think there should be any python left in the netvision tree

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kormoc:

/trunk/mythtv/programs/scripts/internetcontent/nv_python_libs/vimeo/vimeo_data.p yc

[03:56:27]

wagnerrp:

i was under the impression all that stuff got moved to the frontend

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** kormoc shrugs **

[03:57:17]

wagnerrp:

oh, that is in the frontend... nevermind

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wagnerrp:

hehe, iamlindoro make a whole commit just for that one file

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wagnerrp:

OH!... i think that holds the API key

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

special case

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wagnerrp:

and its supposed to be some key we dont disclose

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that pyc is supposed to be there

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kormoc:

Gotcha

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kormoc:

woah, new osd code is awesome

[04:03:45]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

New OSD code?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, When you use a theme with a new OSD, anyway ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, got examples?

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, no

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Ok.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so themes and osd's are merging?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Basically, yeah

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kormoc:

snazzy

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'll agree to that.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Exciting time

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iamlindoro:

Whew, I was worried it wouldn't be okay with you ;)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, I was agreeing to the snazzy.

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iamlindoro:

heh

[04:09:12]

iamlindoro:

only teasing anyway

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, I hoped so. But sometimes in chat it is hard to tell

[04:10:02]

iamlindoro:

the wink was meant to make it evident

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Okay

[04:10:42]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I'm looking forward to heading down to SELF and seeing how people respond to MythTV at the panel there.

[04:19:24]

wagnerrp:

SELF?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

SouthEast Linux Fest

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

They are having a MythTV panel at one point

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** kormoc isn't sure it counts as a panel if there are no one associated with the project there **

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iamlindoro:

heh, people manage to put out podcasts about MythTV and always manage to neglect to speak to anyone associated with the project

[04:26:03]

kormoc:

More of a BoF session I'd think

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, true enough :)

[04:26:27]

iamlindoro:

multiple podcasts, even

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iamlindoro:

s/podcasts/series of podcasts/

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, Pat Davila is coincidently doing the MythTV panel

[04:27:16]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

One of the two MythTVCast guys.

[04:27:44]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I like how the red channels in SD are encrypted....

[04:27:46]

** kormoc sighs **

[04:27:47]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Is there another MythTV themed podcast I'm not aware of?

[04:29:58]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, when I talk about a new MythTV feature on my admittedly not very popular blog, I usually use material you wrote, if that helps.

[04:30:18]

iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Your blog is generally speaking fairly accurate, I have to qualms with it

[04:30:21]

iamlindoro:

er no

[04:30:38]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, I'd love to say more. I'm, at the least, very pro-MythTV

[04:30:42]

iamlindoro:

And I should go further and say I can't think of anything I've ever seen there where I've gone, "WHAT?"

[04:30:51]

iamlindoro:

versus the podcasts where I *always* am, heh

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kormoc:

What's the bog?

[04:31:03]

kormoc:

*blog

[04:31:07]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

www.gadgetwisdom.com

[04:31:14]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I need to write more

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, perfect example, their latest podcast talks about a possible SD bug but they never contacted us about it :(

[04:32:00]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But since I got a smart phone, I've been listening to more podcasts in the car. And I keep yelling when someone says something wrong

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iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Unfortunately we as a project has historically been very poor at propagating our message-- something I am working had to address and making slow but sure progress at-- so people like the podcast guys fill the void, often with results that are a little too far from correct for my tastes

[04:32:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've yelled at those two, and then come home and corrected them on identi.ca or such.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, anything I can do to help...

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm not a dev. My scripting and programming is limited. But I can certainly propagate.

[04:33:19]

iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Nah, we (the MythTV devs) need to make communication and "message" more of a priority and on the other side, it would help if those guys made more of an effort to involve the project proper

[04:34:19]

iamlindoro:

I have tried to make the last couple mythtv.org announcements a bit more "marketing-y" to let people know what to expect for .24, and the theme competition was sort of my baby too, and I've been riding people to handle tickets quicker and trying to triage a lot myself

[04:34:28]

iamlindoro:

so I think those things are helping, but it's sort of like moving an ocean liner

[04:34:44]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, I thought about trying the theme competition, but I didn't have a brilliant theme idea.

[04:35:00]

iamlindoro:

It's alright, it worked out that nobody "lost" ;)

[04:35:07]

iamlindoro:

though having more themes would always have been nice

[04:35:14]

iamlindoro:

there's still time, the UI's still there :)

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kormoc:

Brilliant isn't required, easy on the eyes is plenty enough most of the time :)

[04:36:03]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I have a unique idea, I will.

[04:36:10]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I really am enjoying Arclight.

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iamlindoro:

Glad to hear it-- Added the OSD for it before the mythui-osd branch was merged this last week so there will be more to enjoy come .24

[04:36:43]

iamlindoro:

have also been keeping it up with my new MythVideo fanciness

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kormoc:

Yeah, the new OSD on it is pretty

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Whereas, Graphite, which I also like, took a lot of getting used to with the Watch Recordings screen.

[04:37:28]

iamlindoro:

Graphite was an experiment, and it was also my "student project" as a first theme

[04:37:39]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I use it on one frontend still. The other uses Arclight

[04:37:42]

iamlindoro:

ie the MythUI theming docs are the product of my writing Graphite

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also found LCARS amusing

[04:37:53]

iamlindoro:

since there was no documentation whatsoever, so I wrote it from the code as I went

[04:38:43]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I read the theme doc

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iamlindoro:

ARGH!

[04:39:25]

iamlindoro:

I spent the last two hours troubleshooting something

[04:39:35]

iamlindoro:

only to find I was making changes on the MBE via SSH

[04:39:37]

iamlindoro:

stupid me

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Been there.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, if you want something jarring, svn up mythweb and play with the Current MythWeb Skin dropdown :)

[04:40:00]

kormoc:

Wowzers is that jarring

[04:40:04]

iamlindoro:

skin dropdown sounds dirty

[04:40:31]

kormoc:

I dynamically swap skins as you select them now so you can preview them before setting it

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iamlindoro:

heh

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[R]:

kormoc: ajax is the devils work

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kormoc:

[R], there's no AJAX involved

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[R]:

just regular javascript?

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kormoc:

Aye

[04:41:41]

kormoc:

why would you need ajax for that?

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[R]:

well in the case...

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[R]:

javascript is the devils work!

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[R]:

ahha

[04:41:52]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:42:15]

kormoc:

Well then, I guess you're the last ssh tunnel to lynx user we have

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, hah, neat

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kormoc:

I always thought the other skins were more different, but they're only color changes

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[R]:

i tried playing with the skins recently

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[R]:

i really should get some skillz

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[R]:

and write an awesome skin

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

That reminds me. I just tested the iPod theme on my Droid.

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kormoc:

[R], Too late! http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/4670641717/sizes/l/ ;)

[04:44:09]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, and?

[04:44:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Very smooth.

[04:44:30]

[R]:

kormoc: your computer is called jessica?

[04:44:45]

kormoc:

[R], my mythbox is, yes. My computer is called kormoc

[04:44:45]

[R]:

kormoc: looks pretty clean... whens it gonna be released?

[04:44:49]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Not sure it is my preference on the Android.

[04:44:52]

kormoc:

[R], it's in -trunk now

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

My backend is named Freshpond.

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[R]:

does it work against 23fixes?

[04:45:06]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I like the iPod theme though.

[04:45:06]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, it is very appleish, so fair nuff

[04:45:21]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I wonder what can be done in the future.

[04:45:27]

kormoc:

[R], with some minor changes, sure

[04:45:40]

** [R] attempts to make his computer explodd **

[04:47:06]

kormoc:

[R], 25015, 25008, 25007, 25006, 25000 should do the trick (applied in order)

[04:47:08]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, either way, the formatting makes it easier to work with. I don't need anything fancy on my mobile.

[04:47:18]

kormoc:

and back up your existing one first of course :)

[04:47:32]

[R]:

sweet

[04:47:51]

[R]:

well its just the ubuntu package, so i can always just reinstall it when i blow it up

[04:48:06]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, it also doesn't scale quite right in landscape mode

[04:48:31]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, which part? the apple ui or desktop part or both?

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kormoc:

(Having only an ipod to test it on, that's all I've been able to test)

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[R]:

kormoc: will it explode if i just try to use the trunk mythweb?

[04:49:29]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Both. It doesn't stretch to fill the screen.

[04:49:39]

kormoc:

[R], Yeah, there's been backend changes that it expects

[04:49:51]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, hrm... What version of android are you on?

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[R]:

ok, i'll try to graft these changes in

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

2.1, using the stock Android browser.

[04:50:18]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Motorola Droid.

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, the javascript handler must have changed then, should be a extremely simple fix

[04:51:03]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But how easy/hard is it to look at the Mythweb themes and figure out how to write one?

[04:51:27]

kormoc:

it shouldn't be too bad if you have some basic php/dom/js understanding

[04:51:56]

kormoc:

We use Prototypejs.org as our js library so it abstracts out a lot of the hard stuff for us on the js side

[04:52:05]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Never did much JS stuff. PHP I can handle.

[04:52:07]

kormoc:

the php code is going to be getting cleaner and cleaner as time goes on

[04:52:25]

kormoc:

JS isn't hard to figure out :)

[04:52:53]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, if you have any questions at all, feel free to ask, I'm happy to help

[04:53:24]

kormoc:

a lot of the backend code is inbetween styles right now so it's messier then it should be, but that's slowly cleaning up

[04:54:38]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just looked at the style sheet for iPod-default and I could probably change the body.landscape width to my screen settings.

[04:55:04]

kormoc:

ahh, yeah, if the resolution on your device is larger, by all means, that's the fix

[04:55:11]

kormoc:

(or some js code to detect it)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just have to remember what I change it to, because the next time the system updates...it'll overwrite.

[05:00:22]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, there, now after r25022 Fanart and banners in Arclight OSD work again

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kormoc:

woot!

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, how do you define templates and skins?

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[R]:

kormoc: so i put al lteh changes in, and i try to change to it, i can set the "deafult" skin, but if i try to change the "current" skin, it keeps going back to default

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, Skins are just in skins/ templates are in modules/*/tmpl/

[05:03:44]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, http://www.fecitfacta.com/osd.png

[05:03:49]

kormoc:

[R], hrm... that's really odd...

[05:03:56]

kormoc:

[R], other skins work?

[05:04:03]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

That is where the templates are. I was looking for them

[05:04:07]

[R]:

yup

[05:04:15]

kormoc:

[R], permissions correct?

[05:04:45]

[R]:

looks like its all got +r

[05:06:13]

kormoc:

[R], you have skins/clear_blue/img/ ?

[05:06:17]

kormoc:

[R], what php version?

[05:06:52]

[R]:

no

[05:06:52]

[R]:

wtf

[05:06:55]

** [R] smacks the patch **

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kormoc:

weird

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[R]:

i tried "unified diff" from the trac

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[R]:

does that not do binary files?

[05:07:23]

[R]:

i guess it wouldn't...

[05:08:03]

kormoc:

weird

[05:08:22]

iamlindoro:

Er, wait, more Morena Baccarin: http://www.fecitfacta.com/osd.png

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kormoc:

hehe

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[R]:

kormoc: VICTORY IS MINE

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, does this require a backend restart?

[05:09:00]

kormoc:

[R], Snazzy :)

[05:09:23]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, nah, just FE rebuild/restart

[05:09:28]

kormoc:

snaz

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[R]:

although it doesnt quite look like yours

[05:10:12]

[R]:

i'm missing the words on the buttons at the top

[05:10:26]

[R]:

i have search, but not television and friends

[05:11:11]

[R]:

i have listings and stuff though

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm going to withdraw. Nice chatting with you all. Will have to do it more.

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kormoc:

try [24975] and [24979] in modules/_shared/tmpl

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kormoc:

they touch other things, but the stuff in the modules/_shared/tmpl is what you want/need

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** kormoc wonders if not having libfftw3 is a bad thing or not **

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[R]:

sweet, that works

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[R]:

it said there was no translation for "Television" so i just removed the translate function call

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kormoc:

[R], ahh, or just run modules/_shared/lang/build_translations.pl

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[R]:

kormoc: really smooth

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kormoc:

[R], thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

The new artwork picker is addictive-- one could blow their bandwidth cap selecting from all the available fanart and coverart

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i really liked that awesome metadata picker

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[R]:

its always so hard when tehres multiple choices and the name is cut off

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iamlindoro:

[R], Thanks, it's something I had been meaning to write for a while and the new metadata classes made it really easy

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iamlindoro:

Ah, the movie selector you mean

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iamlindoro:

thought you meant the new artowrk pickers

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: when are you ever going to learn?

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wagnerrp:

if you lock one ticket, theyll just go open another

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh

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** iamlindoro sets fire to everyone who has ever uploaded a 3D DVD cover to TMDB **

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** kormoc gets his red and blue glasses and can of gasoline **

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kormoc:

*cans

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[R]:

i read you can make red/blue glasses

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I mean the ones that are literally a DVD cover rotated 25% so it looks "3D"

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[R]:

i want to try that one day, they got some 3d stuff on youtube

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iamlindoro:

instead of just a cover

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ahh

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kormoc:

[R], they sell cling wrap in different colors, aye :)

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wagnerrp:

ive got some 3D stuff in my room

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wagnerrp:

so i just look up from my monitor

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[R]:

kormoc: oh... that's even better

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[R]:

kormoc: what i read was about using markers

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, this transformers fanart needs more megan fox

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kormoc:

Don't Fear The Foxer?

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iamlindoro:

Oh I don't

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iamlindoro:

Other people who should GDIAF: Anyone who uploads a 720x480 screenshot scaled to 1920x1080 as "fanart"

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kormoc:

Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more Megan fox

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, indeed

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iamlindoro:

tock tock tock tock

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[R]:

iamlindoro: gdiaf?

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wagnerrp:

i swear i hear the cowbell any time that song is on the radio

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wagnerrp:

go die in a fire

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iamlindoro:

I'm just like everyone else, I get up in the morning and put my pants on one leg at a time... only then I go and hit it with Megan Fox

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you're supposed to!

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's cause there really is cowbell in that song

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_cowbell#Comedy_versus_reality

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wagnerrp:

is it cowbell? or one of these things... http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/pr . . . 2/253182.jpg

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kormoc:

According to the band, it was a real cowbell

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, do you only use jamu for your watch recordings metadata?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Yeah

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iamlindoro:

especially now that I've finished up mass metadata updating in MythVideo

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kormoc:

hrm... I just don't seem to be getting all the fan art that they have available

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iamlindoro:

For which material?

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kormoc:

For example, I don't get anything at all for Castle even with the overrides in the jamu.conf

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, What happens when you use mythvideo to get it?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, have an example string I can make one that would work correctly? I used "Castle 1x01.avi" and it doesn't seem to like it

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, with Jamu or with Mythvideo? It will definitely work fine with MythVideo

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kormoc:

Mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

or better still, Castle (2009) 1x01.avi

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wagnerrp:

does opengl over a remote X server not work?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, 2010-06–06 22:58:07.321 No results found for Castle (2009) 1 1

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

found it

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, works for me here

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iamlindoro:

what happened?

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kormoc:

needed +x

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iamlindoro:

ah, heh

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iamlindoro:

interesting, it should install fine from SVN? Using an install script maybe?

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kormoc:

Yeah, it's in a ebuild

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kormoc:

I need to just tell it to make it +x

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iamlindoro:

ok, whew :)

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kormoc:

So that worked fine

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iamlindoro:

cool

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kormoc:

But yeah, still not in the recordings

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iamlindoro:

so anyway, you can kick off a mass metadata grab with M->Retrieve All Details

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iamlindoro:

for recordings, symlink the fanart to Castle_fanart.png

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iamlindoro:

ie, remove the 2009

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iamlindoro:

in recordings, it matches on programinfo title, and failing that, seriesid

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[R]:

iamlindoro: is that for everything or per directory?

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kormoc:

Hrm, interesting

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iamlindoro:

[R], that will do everything that has not been marked as "Processed" (which is a new flag)

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iamlindoro:

when it completes each, it will mark it as processed

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[R]:

can you make a "per directory" thing too?

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iamlindoro:

I could, but probably won't

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iamlindoro:

Which is not to say that I haven't thought about it

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iamlindoro:

just that I ultimately decided that more fiddly metadata options are probably more complexity that I was hoping fo

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iamlindoro:

because then we've got get details for this item, get details for this directory, get details for everything... and it starts to add up

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iamlindoro:

A mass metadata update will also always be run on a scan, too, so adding new items is now a one-step process that will end with fully populated metadata

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iamlindoro:

put more concisely, a scan for changes also triggers a mass metadata grab

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iamlindoro:

You can also prevent an item from ever being updated in the "Change Video Details" menu

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iamlindoro:

("Disable Updates")

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: seems ive got to update php anyway

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wagnerrp:

im running 5.2, and youve got some functions in there that were only added in 5.3

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wagnerrp:

seems you do list that in the requirements in INSTALL

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iamlindoro:

they never learned to focus a camera before the 90s, or what?

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[R]:

iamlindoro: its artistic to be blurry

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iamlindoro:

hah

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justinh:

time to get ready to move my site to a new host for real this time

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Beirdo:

OMG, this Slap Chop commercial is SO obnoxious

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tank-man:

chop chop chop

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Beirdo:

they techno-musiced it to death

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justinh:

hmm might have to do some imagemagick on these uploaded piccies. no point having 5MB pics on a blog

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justinh:

and wth? I use the new host's phpmyadmin to make a new database & give it a name of 'wordpress' – it comes out as database-123-wordpres :-\

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highzeth:

heh, shared hosting eh?

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

not worth paying $$$ for sole hosting though

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highzeth:

nice number tho

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justinh:

not like anybody but me is ever gonna see it

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highzeth:

ever considered posterous?

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justinh:

hmm?

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highzeth:

for your blog/rants/pictures/video & what not

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justinh:

looks like it's definitely not for me

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highzeth:

may I ask why? =)

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justinh:

well maybe for *me* but not for the people I run the website for

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highzeth:

aha, gotcha =)

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justinh:

newtonheathdtc.co.uk is what it's all about :)

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highzeth:

Its damn easy to setup & use, send a email and your first post is live within minutes. domain etc can be assigned to it after that

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highzeth:

ohh LOL, yeah, understood, kinda narrow userbase

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justinh:

gah it seems mod_rewrite isn't enable-able from .htaccess

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justinh:

heh no, numpty. sorted it :)

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justinh:

arghh

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justinh:

stupid new host has given me ip.add.re.ss/thesite til 'the domain goes live'.. where I already have the domain name I just want the hosting. and I can't forward my domain to anything but a plain IP address. Gah

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justinh:

leaves me no choice but to transfer the domain registrar too then. grrr

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justinh:

oh but the reseller I got the new hosting from doesn't DO domain transfers. FFS

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jduggan:

sounds like you need a decent webhost

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jduggan:

:)

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justinh:

I know them personally.. maybe they'll be able to sort out a transfer

[09:13:39]

justinh:

they resell heart internet stuff

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justinh:

far cheaper than heart sell it themselves

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

i work for an ISP with a pretty big hosting platform

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jduggan:

in the UK

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justinh:

and yeah I could have 'decent' hosting.. but as soon as you ask for MYSQL it goes £££££££££££

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jduggan:

if i wasnt about to hand in my notice to move on – i'd have given you free hosting under my own staff account :)

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justinh:

been with one.com for the last few weeks & it's crap

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justinh:

when it's good it's great, but when it's bad.. 30 secs to load a page is awful

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justinh:

no matter how cheap the host is

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jduggan:

yea virtual hosting tends to be s**t wherever you go

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justinh:

never had any bother with my mate's reselling

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justinh:

£50 for a year

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justinh:

there are cheaper with mysql in the UK but er...

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jduggan:

ive never bothered with virtual hosting – for the last 10 years ive put my own servers in datacenters, either paid for or free by nature of my employment

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jduggan:

but sometimes its simply not worth it :)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I could put a server in here at work myself.. but I CBA to do that on behalf of somebody else

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jduggan:

ive hosted alot of friends websites and community websites for free for years, technically im making a big loss by now :)

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justinh:

actually wouldn't be a good idea considering how bad the internet connection is here

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AYarter:

Hey all. On my binary / compiled version my fonts look super small on my tv out and with X forwarding. I've set the dpi to 100, but no difference.

[09:22:06]

AYarter:

I'm considering mythubuntu, — but does anyone have any ideas what would cause that?

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jarle:

AYarter: maybe the theme doesn't find the font it wants to use, and has to revert to something else? Check output from the frontend...

[09:25:06]

AYarter:

Could be. It all looks really, really small

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AYarter:

If that's the case, how would I fix that?

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justinh:

hmmm. if the problem is caused by fonts being missing.. how could you fix it? hmmmm

[09:28:31]

justinh:

maybe by installing the missing fonts!

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justinh:

:)

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AYarter:

I uess what I'm asking is how do I check the output from the frontend?

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justinh:

run it from a terminal

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AYarter:

allright. Lets see

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AYarter:

let's recompile it. I'd vbe much happier with a super minimal install of linux, since this machine is dated. I'm only using it to launch games and watch my movie collection, but still

[09:34:50]

AYarter:

bu the poor old box only has 512 mgs of ram. lol

[09:36:35]

AYarter:

Its time to upgrade everything in this house. lol

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AYarter:

justin: I never got into mythtv-setup even. The fonts were messed up

[09:45:46]

justinh:

what does mythtv-setup have to do with anything? you said the fonts in mythfrontend didn't you?

[09:46:35]

AYarter:

well, the fonts in everything are miniscule. I'd need a magnifying glass to read anything

[09:46:47]

AYarter:

It was the same way when I used a prepackaged version =/

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justinh:

yeah but run mythfrontend from a terminal & see what the output says about fonts

[09:50:01]

AYarter:

As soon as it compiles. Thanks!

[09:50:42]

AYarter:

Linux is just different enough from what I'm used to that this has been a huge undertaking.

[09:51:09]

AYarter:

Thanks again! I'll let you know what it says if I can't figure it out.

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justinh:

heheh now my domain is pointing to two places while the thingy filters through

[10:17:25]

justinh:

home honw internet connection gets me the new host

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justinh:

work internet connection gets me the old one

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AYarter:

lol

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AYarter:

That's inconvenient

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justinh:

not really

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AYarter:

well, I guess on IRC it wouldn't matter.

[10:19:11]

justinh:

what *would* be inconvenient is the old host being snotty about letting me transfer the domain to a new registrar

[10:20:13]

AYarter:

That would just be a pain.

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justinh:

heart internet do free transfers :)

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AYarter:

I'll be happy when this project is done. I can't tell which terminal is solaris and which is linux

[10:21:52]

AYarter:

and I certainly am mixing up the symantics working on both at once.

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AYarter:

I'm headed to bed man. Its 3:30 am. I'll check that out in the am tho

[10:25:00]

AYarter:

Thanks!

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AYarter:

for some reason I thought the P4 would build faster.

[10:25:30]

AYarter:

poor old machine.

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justinh:

heh the local shop's LCD TV has got MHEG text burnt into its display. didn't think that could happen

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Azelphur:

Hi, I'm having a problem with mythweb and mythvideo, any file path that is greater than 2 levels deep, mythweb won't show the videos

[12:01:16]

Azelphur:

for example /A/Blah.avi will show, but /A/B/Blah.avi will not show.

[12:02:14]

Azelphur:

or, in a more irritating case, /24/Season 1/S01E01.avi will not show, I'd have to cram all 7 seasons into one directory :(

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justinh:

well, you can delete seasons 2–6 for starters :D

[12:04:12]

justinh:

they were a bit... yawn!

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Azelphur:

rofl

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RDV_Linux:

Azelphur: Check this wiki page for the supported sub-directory and file name combinations. You may find the answer there. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

[12:07:24]

Azelphur:

RDV_Linux: yea, that's to do with metadata, but I do also have videos with those naming conventions that also don't show

[12:07:39]

Azelphur:

and the "missing" videos show up fine in mythfrontend (and they have working metadata)

[12:07:52]

Azelphur:

it's just specifically in mythweb, when you get more than 2 levels deep, everything disappears

[12:09:18]

RDV_Linux:

Azelphur: I was only referring to MythVideo, I am not sure if MythWeb supports that full standard. Kormoc would be the one to ask but he lives on the US west coast so would not be around for a long while.

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Azelphur:

hehe, I can wait :)

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RDV_Linux:

Azelphur: His handle is "kormoc"

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Azelphur:

:)

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Jay2k1:

is a nickname called handle on freenode?

[12:39:49]

justinh:

ten four!

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oobe:

kenny vs. spenny is hilarious

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Jay2k1:

ten four? that a yes?

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oobe:

you seen it

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oobe:

i only recently discovered it

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sphery:

Azelphur: better than bugging kormoc would be to look into it and fix it--he already has heard about it: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8352 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8000 ( + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8351 ). Plus, this may be important, too: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8339

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Azelphur:

yay links \o/

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test4:

hi , well .. it was not the svideo cable or the adatator that were responsible of the bad image i have .. itried my adaptator and cable on the frontal svideo port of my tv and they work fine ; plus, i tried to connect another device (camera) using another svideo cable, with no adaptator, and the image was equally bad (B&W) ... so .. the BTTV driver may be ?

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test4:

and i connected all using a composite cable, instead of svideo ... and the image is still the same (lost colour) ...

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Jay2k1:

um

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Jay2k1:

so you switched between composite and s-video and now you have a b/w picture?

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test4:

i have B&W since the beginning

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test4:

and same with xawtv ...

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sphery:

test4: i.e., S-Video is basically Composite input, but with the chrominance (color) information in a separate signal

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Jay2k1:

that's why i can switch between "AV2" and "AV2S" (latter for S-Video) on my TV

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sphery:

therefore, if you're using S-Video and getting B&W/grayscale images, you've got a problem with either a) the cable, b) the connector in use (on the TV or on the separate tuner/receiver or on the capture card), c) the card configuration (i.e. you told it to use the Composite input, but you plugged in the S-Video), or d) the video standard (you can get a similar effect by choosing PAL with an NTSC symbol)

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Jay2k1:

using S-Video and AV2 i'll have B/W, same as if i'd use composite and AV2S

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sphery:

i.e. there's a problem with your configuration, but it could be any of many problems, so you'll have to figure out what, specifically, is misconfigured on your setup

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test4:

that tv card had normal colour when i was using tv port and cable-tv (secam)

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sphery:

right, meaning it's just your current setup

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Jay2k1:

I had the problem that on mythTV installation, I chose composite, but then used S-Video, so I had to change the Xorg.conf

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sphery:

meanint it's one of the above issues (or one I'm forgetting)

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test4:

but now that i use a box adsl and composite (or svideo) entrance .. i lost colour..

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test4:

xorg.conf ?

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sphery:

so check cables and connectors for compatibility with each other

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sphery:

check your capture card configuratoin

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sphery:

check your video format specification

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sphery:

the latter 2 being MythTV configuration

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test4:

cable adaptators and connectors tested ,everything ok

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test4:

tesed with other svideo input and everything was fine..

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sphery:

which means that the connectors on the other s-video device are compatible with the cables you're using

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sphery:

not that they're compatible with the device you want to use

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test4:

.. yes

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CoreDump:

Umm, could you guys recommend a PCIe NVIDIA graphics card for my mythbox? The available options apparently require a PHD to sort out.

[13:40:07]

CoreDump:

with NVIDIA repackaging old designs with new names....

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sphery:

test4: but my /real/ solution would be to go out and get a real capture card, rather than use a BTTV framegarbage, I mean framegrabber, card

[13:40:10]

tzanger:

CoreDump: I am just using a cheap-ass geforce 8400 or 8500... I think it was $40

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test4:

but.. i got the same problem when i connect a camera using another svideo cable ..

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sphery:

tzanger: you mean cheap... :)

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tzanger:

sphery: well hte 8400 isn't going ot win any speed contests, and I'm a cheapass, so... :)

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test4:

ok sphery .. that should b a good idea

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CoreDump:

tzanger: I'm tempted to go that route as well.

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CoreDump:

I don't care about gaming on that box

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sphery:

tzanger: that was supposed to be a reminder about keeping the language very clean :)

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tzanger:

it's got vdpau support as well, although I think I have to get a better cpu than that athlon I have in there now

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tzanger:

sphery: oh. sorry

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sphery:

thanks.

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test4:

sphery: but first i gona try to look at the capture card config .. if i can find it

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sphery:

CoreDump: tzanger's recommendation is not bad. I think many today are using the NVIDIA GT2x0 series so they can get the newest of VDPAU and low power usage/heat.

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sphery:

test4: mythtv-setup, Capture Card and Input Connections

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wagnerrp:

plus the GT line gets you HDMI audio, if thats something youre interested in

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** sphery wants DisplayPort audio/video **

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CoreDump:

sphery: thanks

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sphery:

HDMI is evil DisplayPort

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CoreDump:

I can get a 9500 GT for an OK'is price. That should do the trick, right?

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sphery:

but, yeah, pay attention to the others (like wagnerrp), since I don't keep up with my nvidia stuff

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wagnerrp:

HDMI is just DisplayPort that costs about a dollar more

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sphery:

wagnerrp: because of all the evil patents

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wagnerrp:

im not going to begrudge hardware patents

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CoreDump:

wagnerrp: in the far future I'll indeed be interested in a pure HDMI setup. For now I'm using a DVI -> HDMI cable

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** CoreDump looks at GT cards **

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justinh:

I suppose DisplayPort goes round hugging kittens

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wagnerrp:

CoreDump: note that anything 8-series or later will only do HDMI, whether its an HDMI or DVI port

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I only begrudge the use of them in an open standard

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sphery:

when alternatives are available

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wagnerrp:

if the connected display claims to support audio, the card will specify an audio descriptor on the stream coming out of a DVI port

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CoreDump:

hmm, the GT 240 cards are ~100 euro, a little bit much

[13:49:36]

sphery:

CoreDump: GT220 is a favorite

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sphery:

and dirt cheap--around $30-$40 USD

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wagnerrp:

your display will then see that descriptor, and assume the card is actually outputting audio, when its really not

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wagnerrp:

for some TVs, that means there is no way to force it to analog or SPDIF audio

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats quite a lengthy explination as to why syndicatedepisodenumber wont work...

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CoreDump:

sphery: wagnerrp tzanger thank you very much for your help and patience, a GT 220 it shall be =)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, didn't want someone to complain about a closed/invalid with no explanation

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wagnerrp:

can we ban people from the mailing list if they use email accounts that post ads?

[13:55:54]

sphery:

heh, we'd have to ban all the <whichever> phone users... "Sent from my <insert phone name>"

[13:56:03]

sphery:

(not that doing so would be a bad thing :)

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wagnerrp:

im perfectly fine with that

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justinh:

me too

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justinh:

and any thread which starts "OT:"

[13:58:44]

justinh:

if it's OT it has no place on the list :D

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justinh:

also ban users who use pseudo intellectual quotes in their signatures. Infact anybody who uses signatures

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wagnerrp:

crap like this...? https://lists.oetiker.ch/pipermail/rrd-users/ . . . /016682.html

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wagnerrp:

theres more signature than there is post

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wagnerrp:

and its not a tiny post

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sphery:

Yeah, some of the sigs I see really surprise me... Some could be considered inflammatory, if not offensive.

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wagnerrp:

and the html-mail was some 4x larger than the whole thing combined

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sphery:

that one is even worse--it's not a valid sig, even... no "--\n", so it appears in the reader as a part of the message

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justinh:

offensive? nah it just narks me to see people trying to prove they're somehow knowledgable

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justinh:

ooo I can quote people, therefore I'm smart

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wagnerrp:

and knowing is half the battle

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wagnerrp:

G. I. Joe!

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iamlindoro:

I bet that show did not translate well to overseas markets

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justinh:

for knowledge, it is the pursuit happy for alltime now

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justinh:

mythtv needs some engrish transrations

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justinh:

translate the error messages too :-)

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sphery:

Wow, Angelina Jolie invited me to join Facebook.

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sphery:

I have about 50 e-mails to prove it

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justinh:

sphery: heh. is she like totally nekkid too?

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sphery:

heh, let me just open the e-mail and click the "Download Remote Content" button

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justinh:

uh-oh. "This program requires Windows ME"

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justinh:

doh. silly doggy. shut himself in the nursery. Gonna have to fit a proper catchy door thingy

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dmz:

are there any newer themes for non-widescreen that have the background theme for each listing? and i forgot where i set the # of items to display in the recordings & videos list; any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

no, neither of the currently available full screen themes support fanart

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wagnerrp:

no, you can no longer set the number of items to display in the recordings/video windows. those are now defined by the theme

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dmz:

oh well

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dmz:

hmm i just broke my frontends; i wonder what i did; oh well something to fix tonight

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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PeaceKeeper:

Thank you for all the work you are putting into .24! I saw the libmythui-osd merged into trunk, very cool.

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wagnerrp:

oh the irony.... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-June/290549.html

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

I thought the same

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sphery:

a) increases the bandwidth more, b) has an ad

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sphery:

and didn't do a private e-mail to you

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** iamlindoro starts an infinite e-mail recursion **

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** wagnerrp hands iamlindoro a beer **

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iamlindoro:

mmm, 8 AM beer

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dmz:

guiness?

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wagnerrp:

youre starting late

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wagnerrp:

no keg&eggs?

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wagnerrp:

so, youre back on -users i see

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iamlindoro:

After the last resubscribe I wrote a rule to put it in a folder and don't read it

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iamlindoro:

but kept it there in case of lunacy

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iamlindoro:

I admit I was stoking the flames just now but it was irritating

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iamlindoro:

I hate the "I don't want the rules to apply to me so I will make an issue of them every single time they come up" mentality

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wagnerrp:

well i think the wiki post effectively ended it

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** iamlindoro loves that after spending all the and effort to write the generic metadata classes, Doug's work rewriting the scripts, and adding mass metadata grabbing and artwork picking to MythVideo and MythGame, the first thing he hears is a complaint that it doesn't enable raping the sources again and again for data updates **

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wagnerrp:

that the thing about the database flag that only lets you scrape once?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

where did someone complain?

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wagnerrp:

oh, -dev

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

I am not actively looking to prevent the re-re-re-re-grabs, but I'm not that interested in designing a system specifically to enable it, either

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iamlindoro:

If you really want an update that bad, mark the items in question as eligible for an update and run a mass grab

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BLZbubba:

if i'm just using mythvideo and mythmusic, is there any way to have the frontend stop trying to contact the back end?

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BLZbubba:

since there is no back end

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iamlindoro:

not any more, nope

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BLZbubba:

can mythcommflag take commercials out of a video or only a tv recording?

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iamlindoro:

It can be used on Videos

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BLZbubba:

right but will it only rebuild the seek table? by default it says: Building seek table for: /home/mark/Videos/....

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BLZbubba:

or is it a 2 step process?

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iamlindoro:

you need a seek table and to flag commercials, both can be done on videos

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BLZbubba:

ok excellent

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sphery:

pheld: are you specifying -O optimization levels in some C*FLAGS env var?

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sphery:

if so, don't

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pheld:

not yet, just added -O2 to the makefile for a quick test. compiling ...

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sphery:

-O would be bad--the libav* code needs differing levels of optimization so overriding what the developers know is required is not good

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sphery:

if you're not doing that, the build likely needs some fixing for x86_32--i.e. there may be an ffmpeg changeset we need to backport

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sphery:

janneg will likely look into it

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pheld:

think so. there's a lot of noise in various lists about this problem with ffmpeg in chrome anout a month ago

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janneg:

pheld: please pastebin the complete error including the cc commandline

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pheld:

http://pastebin.ca/1878506 has the cc in all its glory

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janneg:

got it in #mythtv

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janneg:

pheld: probably necessary to remove PIC to free a register, see libavcodec.pro for an example

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janneg:

I'll do it when i gewt home

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pheld:

I'll check more later. thanks

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I need some thoughts on controlling a cable box with an IR blaster. Anyone about who uses this in their MythTV setup?

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wagnerrp:

trade the cablebox for one with firewire

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Defense|Twin:

Hi, anone can tell me where i can find the mytharchiv log-file in mythtv 0.22? (in 0.21 it was ./tmp/logs/progress.log but now i cant find it anymore)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, it has firewire

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I used to use it for channel changing

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wagnerrp:

then use firewire, its generally more reliable

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Except the lovely people at Time Warner Cable put on their new Mystro software and that won't work with firewire

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

IR Blasting isn't pretty, but it works all the time

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wagnerrp:

firewire is *supposed* to be universal

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Wagnerrp, I agree

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Tell the cable companies that.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

They aren't known for being cooperative.

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wagnerrp:

if it werent universal, then firewire equipped TVs wouldnt be able to use it

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How many of those have you seen?

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wagnerrp:

and its in violation of the FCC mandate for firewire availability

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, you can flash it back to factory defaults

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I spent three weeks on the phone getting a firewire box about five years ago

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justinh:

aww for pity's sakes. my website is down & no longer forwarding the domain to the new host. gah. Never using one.com again

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, really? I must have missed that.

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, or at least a fair number of folks have, YMMV as always

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But, assuming that I don't get firewire working again(which I do periodically), how can I set up whether or not the box is off to send a Power On signal? If I send it and it is on, it will turn it off.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I miss firewire, which had a separate signal for off and on

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, typical power savings for a cable box on or off is next to none, so most folks don't bother

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kormoc:

(iirc there was a few tested that used more power when 'off' then on, no?)

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Defense|Twin:

someone knows how i know if the archive process is done after my mythfrontend crashed?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, yes. But the new box I just swapped to turns ITSELF off

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, what brand?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

SA4250HDC

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I had an SA3250HD which just died

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kormoc:

don't know about those things

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Well, hopefully the FCC under the new guy will do something to help MythTV users. But I'm not holding my breath.

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wagnerrp:

s/MythTV users/the consumer/

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I remember there was some talk about the new event system, and some talk a while back about something happening if the recording failed, other than it just failing.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've been reading the list for so long I can't remember who was talking, if it was someone wanting a feature, developing it, or talking about it.

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AndyCap:

btw. are there any other users of firewire besided mythtv?

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justinh:

mediaportal?

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justinh:

people with DVHS?

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

AndyCap, it doesn't have widespread adoption because of its reliability, in my opinion

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

But it was always a niche

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AndyCap:

people with digital vcr's or tv's with firewire inputs sound like something you meet once every leapyear.

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BLZbubba:

ok i was scanning a video and interrupted the scan; how do I clear out the corrupted seek information?

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BLZbubba:

the command line options only seem to work with a real recording

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wagnerrp:

'mythcommflag --rebuild --file <filename>'

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wagnerrp:

(i think)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

AndyCap, I've never met one

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I see the problem as there not being a standard everyone will adopt and incorporate.

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BLZbubba:

standards are great, there are so many to choose from

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yup

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justinh:

standards/specs ... they're all pretty loosely adopted. even junk like sata

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justinh:

you'd probably be amazed how little even atapi & ide devices ignored the specs

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justinh:

s/little/much/

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Beirdo:

especially WD

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kormoc:

%s/WD/Seagate/

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Beirdo:

umm, WD for a while did no CRC checking on their drives and always returned success for CRC check status

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Beirdo:

even when the data was bad

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Beirdo:

not sure what in particular Seagate's done wrong, but Caviars from 1.2G to like 8G were totally not Scottish

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Beirdo:

I know Quantum had some stinkers too

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kormoc:

Beirdo, Seagate breaks SMART, they don't use the vender space for their custom smart attributes and so it's completely worthless

[18:20:20]

Beirdo:

ahh, that is a paddlin for sure

[18:20:41]

Beirdo:

but at least they do the access parts well last I heard

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kormoc:

for example, my one seagate drive has currently 44 trillion failed read requests and 8 million non-relocatable failed sectors

[18:21:44]

Beirdo:

sweet

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

$70 harmony 880 refurb on amazon

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iamlindoro:

frickin PEOPLE

[18:47:47]

Beirdo:

people suck

[18:48:01]

bjd:

kill 'em all

[18:48:20]

iamlindoro:

What is up with turning up with a list of demands for how a giant project I have just finished should work?

[18:48:33]

iamlindoro:

no thanks, no "Hey, I'm so excited mythvideo can now grab all your metadata at once..."

[18:48:42]

iamlindoro:

Just "Why don't you let me rape the source harder?"

[18:48:53]

iamlindoro:

"They're still able to walk after!"

[18:49:16]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: just put in a --rape-sources flag

[18:50:41]

wagnerrp:

i cant imagine the additional load that would be added to their servers if they started allowing you to poll individual attributes

[18:51:14]

Dibblah:

Is the XML generation live server-side, then?

[18:51:21]

Beirdo:

or --force-user-is-an-abusive-jerk

[18:51:23]

Dibblah:

BTW, nice work on the grabber :)

[18:51:24]

wagnerrp:

dont people realize its easier for them to send you the whole lot all at once, than for you two poll two separate attributes?

[18:52:18]

wagnerrp:

XML generation is done by the grabbers, the servers send the data in whatever format they seee fit

[18:52:37]

iamlindoro:

But in the case of our two primary grabbers, yes, they return a full xml result per-record

[18:52:52]

iamlindoro:

Which we transform to meet with our new metadata format

[18:53:23]

iamlindoro:

The grabbers are RDV_Linux's doing, he deserves the praise for those :)

[18:53:26]

iamlindoro:

I just put in the plumbing

[18:54:01]

Beirdo:

good job, guys

[18:54:10]

iamlindoro:

thanks

[18:54:15]

Beirdo:

there will always be some dillholes out there

[18:54:30]

wagnerrp:

he just keeps going with those grabbers too, whats he up to now... 15?

[18:54:38]

iamlindoro:

I think MythVideo has taken some good step forwards the last couple of weeks

[18:54:54]

iamlindoro:

I think he's written 12 for MythNetvision (at least, 12 public), two for MythVideo, and one now for MythGame

[18:54:56]

iamlindoro:

so yeah, 15

[18:55:03]

Beirdo:

I really need to get a backend running. ;)

[18:55:05]

wagnerrp:

(good guess)

[18:55:37]

wagnerrp:

oh... and spam on the wiki

[18:55:38]

Beirdo:

my ancient mythbox arrived (finally) with 3 * PVR250 in it

[18:55:43]

iamlindoro:

the mass metadata grab and image picker stuff for MythVideo were really just natural consequences of the new Metadata Classes

[18:55:54]

Beirdo:

so maybe I'll retask it as a backend for the time being

[18:55:57]

iamlindoro:

It's those that took the real work on the CPP side

[18:56:09]

Beirdo:

and a lame frontend, perhaps

[18:56:12]

iamlindoro:

But fun now to spend an hour's work and end up with a MythGame that supports metadata grabbing

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

In PST Ialindoro?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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Beirdo:

comcat should be shot

[19:39:05]

iamlindoro:

meow

[19:39:10]

Beirdo:

err. comcast

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

bad kitty

[19:39:41]

Beirdo:

very bad kitty

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Beirdo:

and not in a good way

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blizzard_:

Hi

[19:40:04]

blizzard_:

Bit of a problem that I really cant sort out.

[19:40:09]

blizzard_:

My Program guide is no more

[19:40:32]

blizzard_:

checked the program table in mythconverg and all titles/descriptions are there

[19:40:45]

blizzard_:

data is fetched with mythfilldatabase

[19:41:01]

blizzard_:

but it cant seem to make the relation when the frontend is querying for the data

[19:41:12]

blizzard_:

goes for both mythfrontend and xbmc

[19:41:37]

blizzard_:

have removed everything down to capture cards and re-added everything again

[19:41:53]

blizzard_:

done new channel search and so on, but still same results

[19:42:37]

blizzard_:

setup is one dvb-s card using two video sources (satellite A & B) through a diseqc switch with two LNB's

[19:43:05]

blizzard_:

anyone got an idea where to begin searching?

[19:43:13]

blizzard_:

/troubleshooting?

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sphery:

blizzard_: I'd recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[19:45:30]

blizzard_:

thats the thread that made me remove all video sources

[19:45:45]

blizzard_:

tho didnt understand what they ment with "DataDirect"

[19:45:56]

blizzard_:

my guess is that's a US thingie, and im EU

[19:46:44]

sphery:

yeah, it's the US listings

[19:47:03]

sphery:

but basically, if you do the Delete all video sources portion and reconfigure properly, it will work

[19:47:15]

sphery:

it's much faster than figuring out what someone broke on your system

[19:47:17]

blizzard_:

and if the xmlid was wrong, the column info for title/description wouldnt be filled in in the program table right?

[19:47:35]

sphery:

right

[19:47:48]

sphery:

but still, you need to clear out everything to make sure that whatever is broken is cleared out

[19:47:56]

blizzard_:

yep

[19:48:03]

sphery:

i.e. why waste time finding what you've misconfigured when you can just clear it out and configure it properly

[19:48:08]

blizzard_:

thing is that I dont know what I did wrong with the setup

[19:48:30]

blizzard_:

and all works fine except for the EPG

[19:48:32]

sphery:

exactly... so don't worry about it, clear out everything, configure it right :)

[19:48:54]

blizzard_:

I do have a guess tho since I did have a hard time getting the diseqc part working...

[19:49:00]

sphery:

so recordings work fine

[19:49:06]

sphery:

Live TV working means nothing

[19:49:13]

sphery:

but regular recordings are important

[19:50:41]

blizzard_:

all works except the grabber info

[19:50:52]

blizzard_:

so im "blind" when it comes to recording

[19:51:23]

sphery:

so if you have no data, then no regular recordings could work, meaning that it's back to what I originally thought--input connections misconfiguration

[19:51:35]

blizzard_:

my guess on where I've fucked up is somewhere along with configuring so both satellites (LNB's trough diseqc) works

[19:51:41]

sphery:

and will be fixed if you Delete all video sources and reconfigure properly

[19:51:46]

sphery:

watch the language, please

[19:51:53]

blizzard_:

sure

[19:52:10]

blizzard_:

then i think my problem is "reconfiguring properly" =)

[19:52:12]

sphery:

yes, configuring multiple satellites is a challenge

[19:52:23]

sphery:

you need 2 different video sources--one for each satellite

[19:52:28]

sphery:

you need to hook them up properly

[19:52:40]

blizzard_:

what I did to finarlly make the second satellite working (which also broke the EPG) was to add one video source per satellite

[19:52:43]

sphery:

I don't know details--just that it's about the most difficult configuration you can get

[19:53:02]

sphery:

best advice I can give is to check the wiki page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S'

[19:53:06]

blizzard_:

and I made one input connection per video source

[19:53:07]

sphery:

er, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

[19:53:41]

blizzard_:

and then I did a channel search based on a cli scan per sattelite feed the database

[19:54:24]

blizzard_:

I've tried that link

[19:54:55]

blizzard_:

and it only does a quick cover of the dvb-s part...

[19:55:01]

blizzard_:

ie "do a scan on lnb1

[19:55:02]

blizzard_:

"

[19:57:04]

blizzard_:

and according to that page my setup is correct =(

[19:59:56]

iamlindoro:

Umm, where does that page say "do a scan on LNB 1?"

[20:00:03]

iamlindoro:

It talks you through literally every option on the page

[20:00:13]

iamlindoro:

though admittedly, the scanner has changed somewhat since

[20:00:40]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: saw that mythmovies is gone, and that you also removed the header from the release notes wiki. I wanted to ask before I did anything if you wouldn't mind if I reverted that change and put a bullet point stating that it no longer exists?

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skd5aner:

just so that it's listed as being removed, rather than just dissapearing

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Sure, works for me

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skd5aner:

k, thx

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blizzard_:

iaml: yeah, it covers a scan of one lnb

[20:11:31]

blizzard_:

and says that I should repete for second if I want that...

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blizzard_:

but i've done all of that and im stuck =(

[20:12:12]

blizzard_:

I need to know where mythfrontend searches for program information and on what conditions

[20:12:38]

blizzard_:

like sql query for title,description in table program

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blizzard_:

matches up against time and video source

[20:13:17]

blizzard_:

I think my problem is somewhere in the relation between the program table and the video source

[20:13:46]

blizzard_:

that the channel list is global but the program list is bound to specific input sources and that it contains some old data or similar

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you're way too efficient in your wording

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: thanks for the understanding on the mass metadata stuff-- yeah, the "processed" is there both to prevent a re-grab but also to allow one to "guard" a video

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GreyFoxx:

I had misunderstood it. I had thought it was gonna recheck over and over for stuff it didn't find data for which I didn't want to hammer their services

[20:21:17]

wagnerrp:

sphery: youre way to wordy in your... wording...

[20:21:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:21:24]

GreyFoxx:

but if it's not then that is even better :)

[20:21:49]

wagnerrp:

sphery: plus it helps that the clock on my laptop is off by 35 minutes

[20:21:50]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, processed has a dual meaning-- it either means "this has already been grabbed" or "Don't ever touch this in a mass metadata grab"

[20:22:02]

Beirdo:

would be nice to be able to selectively regrab a particular video's metadata if manually requested, but I'm sure that that is accounted for

[20:22:04]

iamlindoro:

and unprocessed means eligible for a grab

[20:22:29]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Yes, you reset and grab, it's two commands, four keystrokes

[20:22:36]

Beirdo:

perfect :)

[20:23:01]

iamlindoro:

Basically M->Edit Item Details->Reset Metadata, then press W

[20:23:04]

dmz:

anyone here use minimyth?

[20:23:23]

GreyFoxx:

yay, time to go home

[20:23:29]

Beirdo:

slacker :)

[20:23:47]

Beirdo:

it's only 1:30 here... silly east-coaster :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm on the East Coast and I'm still working

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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iamlindoro:

It's 1:40 here, I haven't worked yet ;)

[20:40:48]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

It's Monday

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kormoc:

I've been watching badblock runs! Whee!

[20:41:24]

wagnerrp:

badblock?

[20:41:34]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, man badblocks

[20:41:46]

Beirdo:

I remember being fascinated by scandisk as a kid

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wagnerrp:

oh

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blizzard_:

kormoc: i did a bb scan yesterday:

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blizzard_:

root@Microknoppix:/tmp# cat badblocks.log |wc -l

[20:42:12]

blizzard_:

74300291

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blizzard_:

-sigh-

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kormoc:

and I replace a drive once I hit 1

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blizzard_:

vobbling disc phenomena

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Iamlindoro, may I ask what your 'day job' is?

[20:42:58]

blizzard_:

family members conputer which had hit the floor

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Beirdo:

of course you can ask... he may not answer :)

[20:43:02]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, MythTV Developer of course!

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blizzard_:

I didn't think it would be that bad

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blizzard_:

the plates must have been vobbling alot

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kormoc:

vobbling? is that like wobbling?

[20:43:35]

blizzard_:

calculated that 290 out of 320GB's 4k datablocks was in some way bad

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iamlindoro:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I am a network engineer/admin for a small startup

[20:43:38]

Beirdo:

in German

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blizzard_:

i guess, when it begins to tilt a bit and doesnt maintain the same level when spinning...

[20:44:45]

blizzard_:

aaah, heh, the english word is wobbling =)

[20:44:52]

blizzard_:

my bad

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, if only...

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blizzard_:

so...

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blizzard_:

in what database table does the frontend find the "current program" information?

[20:52:45]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Yes?

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kormoc:

blizzard_, define current program information

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blizzard_:

EPG

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kormoc:

programs

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blizzard_:

the data that the grabber gets

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blizzard_:

programs is my guess as well

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kormoc:

it's not my guess, it's my answer

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blizzard_:

the data is there, both title,description

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blizzard_:

but doesnt show in the mythtvfrontend or xbmc

[20:54:52]

blizzard_:

kormoc, yeh, your answer and the answer I guessed my self but wasnt sure of...

[20:55:17]

kormoc:

are you sure your inputs are mapped to guide sources?

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blizzard_:

that's where I think I have the problem

[20:55:32]

blizzard_:

I THINK they are

[20:55:38]

blizzard_:

I cant find anything wrong with my setup

[20:55:56]

blizzard_:

and I cant find anything indicating that I should have done anything in any other way than how I did it

[20:56:07]

blizzard_:

how can I verify that the unputs are mapped?

[20:56:14]

blizzard_:

I have four input cards in the database

[20:56:29]

blizzard_:

tried to drop those that had NULL as external command but then everything died =/

[20:56:38]

blizzard_:

thank god for mysqldump =)

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sphery:

direct db editing is never the right solution when an application implements all data integrity rules in the application itself and not the DB

[20:58:08]

sphery:

only those people who know the database schema well enough to know that they should never edit the DB data directly should edit the DB data directly

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** kormoc shifty eyes. **

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blizzard_:

sphery: I somewhat agree

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blizzard_:

but when I cant find the solution in the gui

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blizzard_:

when relations are hidden

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** kormoc sighs **

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iamlindoro:

relationships aren't hidden

[20:59:38]

iamlindoro:

in the least

[20:59:44]

iamlindoro:

they're all there in the code

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blizzard_:

heh, yeh

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kormoc:

blizzard_, the solution is in the gui, other people have setup similar hardware without modifying the db directly

[21:00:08]

blizzard_:

yap

[21:00:14]

blizzard_:

I dont want to modify

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iamlindoro:

But kormoc, sphery, and I would never go DB hacking on our DBs, and we're myth devs-- how much hope do you htink that gives to someone who knows neither the code nor the DB?

[21:00:30]

blizzard_:

I just want to see the little number in one table that refers to another number in another table

[21:00:33]

sphery:

and if the GUI is lacking the tools you need, a patch to the GUI--and reviewed by others before being committed--is the right solution :)

[21:00:40]

blizzard_:

which connects the programs table with the input source

[21:00:50]

blizzard_:

and verify that it's correct

[21:01:14]

blizzard_:

or verify that it's not correct and that its just that specific thingie that breaks my programs info

[21:01:45]

blizzard_:

I cant find that information in mythtv-setup nor mythfrontend nor mythweb...

[21:02:19]

blizzard_:

I THINK that since I usually doesnt need to know that, since it's taken care of by default, then it's hidden for me

[21:02:30]

blizzard_:

why show something technical that no-one should need

[21:02:31]

blizzard_:

?

[21:02:43]

kormoc:

mythtv-setup shows the input source mapping

[21:02:48]

kormoc:

it's option number 3 iirc?

[21:02:51]

blizzard_:

I think the problem lies in that I chose EIT in initial setup for the input sources

[21:03:03]

blizzard_:

and that choice is still in the database somewhere

[21:03:30]

blizzard_:

tho I have changed it to grabber, and mythtv-setup shows that it's grabber that's chosen so it has been entered into the database...

[21:03:32]

iamlindoro:

I think the problem lies in the fact that you have done a series of things that produce undefined results, and now you can't track back your steps

[21:03:42]

iamlindoro:

meaning your DB is no longer a known, reliable quantity

[21:03:46]

blizzard_:

no

[21:03:51]

iamlindoro:

which is exactly our argument against direct DB hackery

[21:04:01]

blizzard_:

before fiddling with the database directly I've always taken a full backup

[21:04:13]

sphery:

if /only/ there were some way to clean out all the data in the Video Sources and Channels and Input Connections configuration with a single button press in mythtv-setup

[21:04:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery: if only!

[21:04:24]

sphery:

then you could clear out that EIT flag and...

[21:04:24]

blizzard_:

and since none of my attempts has solved the case, I've always restored the full database-dump

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blizzard_:

so running config is without direct db hacking

[21:05:31]

blizzard_:

and not working =/

[21:05:42]

justinh:

well.. no guarantee your backup isn't also messed with ;)

[21:05:53]

kormoc:

blizzard_, did you follow the steps sphery gave you hours ago?

[21:05:58]

blizzard_:

yap

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blizzard_:

had already done 'em

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kormoc:

so you didn't

[21:06:20]

blizzard_:

uhm

[21:06:21]

** iamlindoro suggests doing them again, and asking about any steps that don't make sense to you **

[21:06:25]

blizzard_:

I did once

[21:06:33]

blizzard_:

I found the thread

[21:06:33]

iamlindoro:

Because if you had done them correctly, you would not have this problem

[21:06:40]

blizzard_:

same as I was refered to

[21:07:01]

blizzard_:

and I did it again except for the directtv (or what it's called) since im in EU and it aint applicable here

[21:07:10]

kormoc:

then the eit flag would be gone

[21:07:16]

blizzard_:

but delete all cards and so on, yes

[21:07:18]

kormoc:

unless you turned it on again

[21:07:27]

blizzard_:

didnt turn it on again

[21:07:47]

blizzard_:

still not getting grabber info =(

[21:08:58]

kormoc:

what grabber are you using?

[21:09:05]

blizzard_:

swe tv

[21:09:11]

blizzard_:

thing is

[21:09:20]

blizzard_:

it worked perfectly before

[21:09:32]

blizzard_:

when I had done the diseqc switch config wrong

[21:09:37]

blizzard_:

and input source wrong

[21:09:38]

blizzard_:

=)

[21:09:42]

kormoc:

and you ran mythfilldatabase --refresh-all?

[21:09:46]

blizzard_:

yap

[21:09:56]

blizzard_:

im getting the correct data in the programs table

[21:10:06]

blizzard_:

changes I did since it worked:

[21:10:20]

blizzard_:

changed diseqc option from LNB -> Switch,LNB,LNB

[21:11:02]

blizzard_:

changed from one video source (tried to have one called TV and scan both satellites) to two video sources/input channels, one per satellite

[21:11:38]

blizzard_:

and in the same time frame, I also went with EIT to start with, since I wanted to have as basic options as possible when I tried to get the second satellite working...

[21:11:42]

sphery:

blizzard_: it all comes down to the fact that MythTV will *only* show in the EPG the channels that are properly connected and available for recordings. If you're seeing no channels in your EPG...

[21:12:34]

sphery:

So, lack of channels in the EPG only means you have no channels configured for recording (unless you set a Channel Group with no channels--but even then, I think it tells you you've set a channel group with no channels)

[21:12:50]

blizzard_:

not really following you

[21:12:56]

blizzard_:

I have all the channels from both satellites

[21:12:58]

blizzard_:

all is working

[21:13:02]

sphery:

Or, if you have channels, but all the channels have no data, but you have data in your DB, you have redundant channels and have misconfigured them

[21:13:04]

blizzard_:

I can see channels from both

[21:13:06]

sphery:

what do you see in the EPG

[21:13:12]

blizzard_:

but I have no data on what's showing or when it starts/ends

[21:13:16]

sphery:

if you see no channels in the EPG, you have no properly configured channels

[21:13:26]

sphery:

Live TV shows even misconfigured channels

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blizzard_:

live tv works just fine

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sphery:

thus the "Your input connections configuration is broken. And, yes, you can still

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blizzard_:

except for programs info

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sphery:

record LiveTV this way... "

[21:13:55]

sphery:

does it show channels in the EPG

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blizzard_:

sounds like the case

[21:14:09]

sphery:

or does it just say, "No Data" for each channel in the EPG

[21:14:52]

sphery:

The first means you have no properly-configured channels. The second means you have duplicate channels, with the wrong channels configured properly.

[21:15:04]

sphery:

a picture of the EPG would work, too

[21:15:36]

blizzard_:

when you say EPG

[21:15:51]

sphery:

Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide

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blizzard_:

do you mean the text showing when I choose channel

[21:15:59]

blizzard_:

or a specific EPG page?

[21:16:16]

sphery:

no, I mean specifically the electronic program guide in the UI (or in the OSD when you bring it up during Live TV)

[21:16:23]

sphery:

Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide

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blizzard_:

aaah

[21:16:50]

blizzard_:

got channel names

[21:16:57]

blizzard_:

and "unknown" on each row

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sphery:

guess we should have started with terminology to make sure we were on the same page (or screen, as the case may be :)

[21:17:17]

sphery:

OK, so that's duplicate channels

[21:17:24]

blizzard_:

aaaah

[21:17:28]

blizzard_:

I have those

[21:17:30]

justinh:

mixing xmltv and dvb eh

[21:17:33]

sphery:

you have a copy of the channel that's configured with your listings provider

[21:17:43]

sphery:

and a copy of the channel that's configured with your capture card/card input

[21:17:48]

blizzard_:

mmm

[21:17:54]

blizzard_:

I made it my self with the scan command

[21:17:56]

sphery:

and, therefore, the ones the EPG shows have no listings data

[21:18:13]

sphery:

using anything other than the mythtv-setup channel scanner is likely to cause duplicate channels

[21:18:48]

blizzard_:

mythtv-setup scanner didnt like my second satellite when I had a faulty diseqc configuration =)

[21:18:55]

sphery:

I recommend going through and doing the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 , then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup

[21:19:00]

sphery:

use the mythtv-setup scanner

[21:19:05]

blizzard_:

took me a while to figure out how to change it since that option is hidden once entered =)

[21:19:07]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Can you elucidate a bit on the advantages of innodb?

[21:19:27]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, Certainly

[21:19:46]

sphery:

kormoc: I think wagnerrp had some thoughts on innodb, too (at least, regarding autocommit/transactions and Python bindings)

[21:20:25]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, Innodb is a true ACID compliant database engine with full transactional support and advanced caching options.

[21:20:26]

blizzard_:

sphery, okee, but not using my home made channels.conf this time right? =)

[21:20:46]

sphery:

blizzard_: exactly... try to use mythtv-setup. if you have issues with mythtv-setup's channel scanner, ask questions here

[21:20:53]

blizzard_:

I do

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Beirdo:

kormoc: any cons to using innodb?

[21:20:55]

blizzard_:

=)

[21:20:56]

AndyCap:

kormoc: aka a real database. :P

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blizzard_:

it doesnt scan a full scan =(

[21:21:22]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: So transactional support is like journaling? (Forgive my database stupidity) ie, rollback?

[21:21:28]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: no fulltext searchindex iirc. Might be slower in some use cases.

[21:21:35]

blizzard_:

one of the reasons why I used the channels.conf

[21:21:37]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, indeed, it prevents the issue of half-writes and thus corrupt tables

[21:21:38]

justinh:

blizzard_: you can't do a full scan with dvb-s

[21:21:44]

blizzard_:

oh

[21:21:49]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: ah-hah, I see, that does sound nice

[21:21:53]

justinh:

you have to give the scanner initial tuning data

[21:21:58]

sphery:

kormoc: and it has some major impacts on database locking, right?

[21:21:59]

kormoc:

Beirdo, in very specific workloads (append only) MyIsam is better, but we don't fit

[21:22:00]

AndyCap:

kormoc: half-writes?

[21:22:07]

sphery:

at least compared to MyISAM?

[21:22:13]

kormoc:

sphery, row level locks vs table locks, aye

[21:22:23]

justinh:

blizzard_: just like you have to give dvb-utils' scan program initial tuning data

[21:22:27]

blizzard_:

justinh, is it enough with one transponder and then let it use "find additional transponders" option?

[21:22:28]

sphery:

wonder how much we rely on the latter :)

[21:22:31]

kormoc:

AndyCap, write a row to disk, fsync but only half of it gets written to disk before something goes wrong

[21:22:44]

kormoc:

sphery, we can still lock tables with LOCK TABLE;

[21:22:56]

sphery:

right--once we find where we need that

[21:23:03]

kormoc:

sphery, it's more the UPDATE table WHERE id = 5; doesn't lock the table anymore

[21:23:06]

AndyCap:

kormoc: ok. so not really a sql transaction problem as such, just general myisam stupidity?

[21:23:06]

sphery:

but that's what the dev cycle is for

[21:23:26]

kormoc:

AndyCap, aye, we have users who have mysqld crash a lot

[21:23:37]

kormoc:

sphery, it should be transparent really

[21:23:57]

achew22:

I have always wondered, why is LOCK TABLE preferred to a transaction?

[21:24:00]

Beirdo:

hmmm, considering changing beirdobot over to using innodb

[21:24:10]

AndyCap:

cause even if it doesn't have begin transaction, commit, rollback, I would pretty much expect my data to actually be on disk when it says so. :P

[21:24:10]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, it also supports true cache, when a myisam table gets updated, the in memory cache gets flushed, even if it just gets appended to or a single row gets updated

[21:24:24]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, innodb will update that row in memory and continue on, so it's always hot

[21:24:30]

achew22:

AndyCap: was that at me?

[21:24:40]

AndyCap:

achew22: not really.

[21:24:47]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: That's nice, it sounds like there might be some performance gains for things like listings/recordings/video metadata?

[21:24:50]

kormoc:

sphery, I'd be really surprised if we run into anything like that

[21:24:57]

achew22:

is LOCK a poor mans transaction?

[21:25:01]

AndyCap:

achew22: because only lazy programmers need transaction...

[21:25:13]

AndyCap:

wonder how the innodb clustering would work for mythtv. :P

[21:25:15]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yes, should be nice performance gains, I'll switch over tonight and verify

[21:25:31]

kormoc:

achew22, no, it's not, they're for different purposes

[21:25:38]

achew22:

AndyCap: so LOCK is preferred to transactions? I thought there were also some speed benefits?

[21:25:45]

** J-e-f-f-A is excited to hear that as his 'recorded programs' page takes quite some time to come up, even locally... **

[21:25:57]

kormoc:

AndyCap, multi-master replication works great right now :)

[21:26:18]

AndyCap:

kormoc: this isn't mythtv right? :P

[21:26:35]

sphery:

kormoc: cool\

[21:26:47]

kormoc:

AndyCap, Multi-master is a mysql replication setup, yes

[21:26:50]

achew22:

kormoc: your db is big enough to justify sharding MySQL?

[21:27:07]

AndyCap:

kormoc: yes, but are you using it for mythtv?

[21:27:08]

kormoc:

AndyCap, but it allows you to have the db local to a bunch of boxes and have it sync the updates between them

[21:27:17]

AndyCap:

oh my.

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kormoc:

AndyCap, I have in the past when my mythweb was remote to my mythbackend

[21:27:41]

achew22:

what is the latency on a master-master replication?

[21:27:46]

AndyCap:

mm, yeah. that would be sensible I guess

[21:28:05]

kormoc:

achew22, what is your ping latency?

[21:28:12]

achew22:

really?! that fast?

[21:28:36]

achew22:

do they implement those with append only log files?

[21:28:40]

kormoc:

achew22, +statement execution time, yes

[21:28:49]

** AndyCap thinks he should switch to the BLACKHOLE engine. **

[21:28:50]

kormoc:

achew22, google mysql binary logs

[21:29:02]

achew22:

kormoc are you a DBA?

[21:29:07]

kormoc:

Yes I am

[21:29:14]

iamlindoro:

No, but he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

[21:29:15]

Beirdo:

and a smart one at that :)

[21:29:23]

achew22:

and you promise that you're not spinning us a story?

[21:29:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: What happens if the 'backup' node is down – do the updates queue?

[21:29:32]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, yes, they do

[21:29:34]

blizzard_:

So, my DVB-s scan. Should it be Full Scan (Tuned) with information of frequency etc to give it initial tuning information?

[21:29:50]

sphery:

You can't spell DBA without kormoc!

[21:30:12]

achew22:

kormoc what is your take on the NoSQL stuff? Are you a purist in that you feel it is better to stick to just one and not a hybrid solution?

[21:30:45]

kormoc:

achew22, depends on the problem set, but I typically look at NoSQL as a cache layer over top of a relational/traditional sql layer

[21:31:03]

kormoc:

NoSQL is not a new concept, it's been around from the mid 80's

[21:31:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: that's good to know. In that respect, it's very similar to the "Remote Database Facility" on the Tandem... It's known as 'near-real-time' replication. Sweet!

[21:31:17]

blizzard_:

kormoc, it's a new hype =)

[21:31:27]

Beirdo:

BerkeleyDB has been around a long time.

[21:31:45]

Beirdo:

heh.

[21:31:59]

sphery:

um, you mean Oracle Berkeley DB

[21:32:02]

achew22:

kormoc from what I've read the theory goes back even before that (late 70's). So why would you use NoSQL as a cache over something like memcached?

[21:32:02]

sphery:

sheeesh!

[21:32:15]

sphery:

a.k.a. Oracle Berkeley DB 11g

[21:32:15]

kormoc:

achew22, Memcached is a NoSQL

[21:32:23]

Beirdo:

yeah, and Oracle MySQL

[21:32:29]

achew22:

kormoc thats because it is key/value?

[21:32:30]

kormoc:

achew22, all nosql is is a keyed document/object store, memcached is the same

[21:32:33]

sphery:

yeah... how many DB's do they need :)

[21:32:35]

kormoc:

achew22, basically, yes

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: just wait for Oracle NoSQL. :P

[21:32:43]

Beirdo:

sphery: all of em

[21:32:50]

AndyCap:

dang. beat me to it

[21:32:55]

kormoc:

achew22, so it's all down to features

[21:32:56]

Beirdo:

the onely one they don't really have right now is postgres

[21:33:07]

Beirdo:

only rather

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AndyCap:

*cough*DB/2*cough*

[21:33:14]

sphery:

First they went after the Sleepycat, then the Dolphins...

[21:33:24]

sphery:

Oracle is quite the hunter

[21:33:37]

Beirdo:

OK, the only *significant* one :)

[21:33:39]

achew22:

kormoc how do you feel about couch with it's append only file system? do you think the benefits of very secure data outweigh the potentially slow resume time to get it back from offline?

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kormoc:

achew22, depends on the problem set

[21:34:10]

sphery:

why would you use DB/2. I mean, Oracle's on version 11, so it has to be better than someone else's version 2. :)

[21:34:31]

kormoc:

achew22, Typically you have a problem and then you look for solutions, if the solution matches for your problem, it makes sense, else it doesn't :)

[21:34:33]

iamlindoro:

And besides, it claims to be only half a DB

[21:34:41]

iamlindoro:

When do I get the other half?

[21:34:54]

sphery:

achew22: I think what kormoc is trying to say is, "Please contact me via e-mail and I'll send you a quote for the consulting job." ;)

[21:35:03]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:35:06]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:35:16]

kormoc:

My rates are very reasonable :)

[21:35:55]

sphery:

I hate people like that--makes it harder for me to charge unreasonable rates for my services. At least I'm not a DBA, so it may not affect me as much.

[21:36:05]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:36:15]

Beirdo:

he didn't say WHO it was reasonable to.

[21:36:19]

kormoc:

sphery, un/reasonable is in the eye fo the beholder

[21:36:20]

sphery:

heh, true

[21:36:20]

kormoc:

*of

[21:36:21]

AndyCap:

very reasonable rates as far as unreasonable rates go

[21:37:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quick question – would I gain anything by splitting my mirrored OS disk (soon to be 500GB) into two partitions – say 50/50 – with the OS on the 1st partition, and the DB on the 2nd partition? Or would the performance be similar to having one partition?

[21:37:37]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, depends on how fragmented and how full the filesystem is

[21:37:38]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: you'd have the advantage that /var/log overflow can not take down your database

[21:37:39]

AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: you wouldn't get any more iops out of it.

[21:37:45]

achew22:

well, when I get out of college and am rolling in money (unlikely) we can consider your unreasonably reasonable rates

[21:37:57]

kormoc:

AndyCap, but might require less iops to do tasks :)

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sphery:

I've nearly finished my time machine so that I can go back in time to the Internet bubble and charge my really unreasonable rates, again. Unfortunately, I think the cost of the 1.21 Gigawatts of electricity I need will be higher than the extra earnings.

[21:38:57]

iamlindoro:

Not so, you simply give a bow of wires and parts to the libyans for some plutonium

[21:39:00]

iamlindoro:

er box

[21:39:06]

AndyCap:

sphery: that bill won't be due in any timeline you're part of.

[21:39:08]

iamlindoro:

"Libyans!?"

[21:39:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: It's a mirrored 200GB drive now, and 111GB used now... How fragmented does EXT3 get?

[21:39:12]

kormoc:

just go back to the first bank and toss in a penny into a savings account and wait for compound interest to do it's magic!

[21:39:12]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, filefrag on a file will tell you

[21:40:11]

blizzard_:

fragmentation might be good for you

[21:40:22]

blizzard_:

SSD's draw gain of fragmentation

[21:40:45]

blizzard_:

EXT3 doesnt get very fragmented if you dont fill it up

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[21:40:55]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Alternately, go forward and get a Mr. Fusion

[21:41:07]

blizzard_:

kormoc: right or left eyebrow?

[21:41:13]

sphery:

but then I have to find some old banana peels

[21:41:14]

iamlindoro:

the middle one

[21:41:19]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Ah, a BTTF fan

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kormoc:

who isn't?

[21:41:40]

iamlindoro:

serial killers

[21:41:42]

sphery:

where banana peels are well known to contain lots of fusion-compatible atoms...

[21:41:45]

AndyCap:

Where we are going, we don't need _roads_

[21:42:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I just ran it against my mythconverg directory, and most files are "1 extent found" – a few are as high as 7 though.

[21:42:53]

kormoc:

so right now you're pretty good :)

[21:43:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Cool. ;-)

[21:43:08]

kormoc:

7 isn't bad

[21:43:18]

kormoc:

it's when you get into the hundreds that you should start to worry

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** sphery considers making a lot of translators unhappy **

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blizzard_:

Question: When I do a full scan (tuned) with DVB-s on one frequency, how much does it actually scan? I fet it one row from my satellites data file and I think it caught pretty much every channel on that satellite?

[21:43:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe: go figure: /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/recordedseek.MYD: 7 extents found

[21:43:55]

cipher42:

how come i can only see liveTv stuff in my media Library?

[21:43:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

with 1300+ recordings, I'm suprised that's not higher...

[21:44:06]

Beirdo:

sphery: what, gonna make em do work?

[21:44:13]

cipher42:

I can't see stuff i setup to record

[21:44:18]

iamlindoro:

sphery: dooo ittttt

[21:44:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: you probably switched the filter – press "M" and select a differnet one.

[21:44:27]

iamlindoro:

sphery: it's not going to get *less* easy to do, so do it

[21:44:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

cipher42: You won't see it until it actually records btw...

[21:44:37]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: fortunately, though, use of that table will generally only use data in a confined section of the file, so you probably won't cross a lot of fragment boundaries

[21:44:39]

AndyCap:

Oh my

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iamlindoro:

And if you do it now, there's still a chance of translation updates before .24

[21:44:45]

cipher42:

cool thanks

[21:44:54]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, I have a patch that fixes a lot of grammar and consistency issues in the setup text

[21:45:00]

AndyCap:

mythconverg/recordedseek.MYI: 25806 extents found, perfection would be 2 extents

[21:45:00]

Beirdo:

woohoo

[21:45:04]

sphery:

changes tr() strings

[21:45:07]

AndyCap:

O_o

[21:45:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Yikes. ;-)

[21:45:22]

justinh:

man, I HATE one.com "Please note that your subscription with us has to be cancelled before the IPS tag can be updated."

[21:45:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Besides, I've basically invalidated all the MythVideo, MythNetvision, and some MythGame translations already

[21:45:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'll bet my video disks are fragmented all over the place. Is there an XFS defrag? (I should probably google that, eh?)

[21:46:09]

Beirdo:

be nice to have a babelzilla-like site for those translations

[21:46:21]

sphery:

heh, XFS... Isn't that the one that if you let it get too full, it fragments like a grenade?

[21:46:29]

Beirdo:

yup

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AndyCap:

I smell some.. maintenance coming up.

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Beirdo:

XFS at >= 90% or so = OMG slow

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Beirdo:

at least in my experience

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I believe there is an xfs defrag of some sort

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ohy yeah... my video files have anywhere from 300 extents to > 2000... yikes... just saw a 7000! eek!

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I switched to EXT4

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justinh:

any snags to note with ext4?

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kormoc:

justinh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Disadvantages

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justinh:

heh I can live with that

[21:53:38]

kormoc:

to get the most benefit from ext4 you need to create it from scratch and not migrate from ext3 to ext4 fyi

[21:53:41]

kormoc:

which is why I haven't

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justinh:

yeah well to use ext4 I'd need to make a new fs & rsync anyway

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

justinh, I had more snags with XFS

[21:54:25]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And I ran a weekly defrag on it

[21:54:49]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I added a new drive, formatted it, filled it, and formatted the other drive.

[21:54:52]

justinh:

I've enough free space to swap over & see how it goes :)

[21:55:09]

justinh:

oh come on.. update my domain tag already

[21:55:32]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I've made a lot of mistakes with my MythTV backend over the years

[21:55:38]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I don't think switching to EXT4 was one of them

[21:55:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Gee, I think this might be a performance issue... one of my video drives: framentation stats: actual 214978, ideal 758, fragmentation factor 99.65%

[21:55:42]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

GadgetWisdomGuru: I once let my ext3 / get full & lost my entire database

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, ouch

[21:56:32]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Justinh, I lost my entire database on an upgrade once

[21:56:37]

justinh:

no biggie though... just untarred the backup from the previous day & imported 3 recordings

[21:56:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, I suspect the other 5 drives are very similar... For some reason I didn't think I needed to defrag XFS...

[21:56:53]

** J-e-f-f-A <-- dummy **

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

One of my upcoming steps is to sign up for Amazon S3 for some space to sync the gzip dumps MythTV makes to. I want it out of the house

[21:57:11]

kormoc:

Beirdo, for Beirdobot and innodb, you might be best served by having the logs go into a myisam queue table and then en-mass dump them into innodb to get the best io, and you'll want to use 5.1.47 with the innodb plugin

[21:57:28]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, rsync.net is much cheaper

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How is .80/GB cheaper than .15/GB?

[21:58:20]

justinh:

I was gonna say.. they'd have to go some to be cheaper than s3

[21:58:37]

justinh:

mind you, s3 has a lot of nasty limitations

[21:58:39]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Justinh, if there is, I'd love to hear about it.

[21:58:47]

justinh:

no renaming, for one thing :-\

[21:58:49]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'd prefer something that supported rsync

[21:59:29]

justinh:

heck I'd settle for something FUSE-ish for s3

[21:59:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I know that S3 has a fuse mount.

[21:59:37]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, s3 doesn't support rsnyc, it doesn't support getting a list of the files in the buckets, the price out is fairly costly, the price in starts costing money as of July 1st

[22:00:05]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just started researching this

[22:00:07]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, when I priced it out for my critical backups, rsync.net was way cheaper

[22:00:33]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I'm just looking at the numbers

[22:01:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Eek, one of my video drives causes a segfault in xfs_db trying to generate the frag report with lots of errors like this: can't read btree block 0/4251255065 can't seek in filesystem at bb 9122611200 <-- Those can't be good!

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justinh:

ruh? s3 are gonna charge real money from 1/7 ?

[22:01:25]

** sphery has a grand total of 9.5MiB of critical backups **

[22:01:37]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

First 50TB on S3... 15 cents a GB/month, transfer in/out at 0.10GB/month.

[22:01:38]

kormoc:

justinh, data out always cost money, data in was free for the past year but that's expiring july 1st, aye

[22:02:26]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

rsync.net is .80GB/month. Of course, rsync has no bandwidth limits.

[22:02:38]

justinh:

$0.10 per GB ain't bad

[22:02:52]

Beirdo:

all depends on your usage patterns

[22:02:55]

justinh:

what goes into my s3 hasn't had to come back out yet

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

justinh, that was my plan

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: thanks for the insight for fragmentation — I'll look at cleaning up my system as soon as I get the chance to. ;-) I'm off...... ttyl.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Justinh, that was what I was hoping for

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

How often am I going to bring my database backups back down?

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kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, so for my snapshots, I rsynced which ment every time I synced, it would get the file and update, etc. It added up, but I think they've lowered their prices sense then

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kormoc:

I store more then just database backups, so

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I plan to store more than database backups too. But a lot of stuff I want to store is not changing much

[22:05:01]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

IE my picture and music collection

[22:05:30]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I may add 100MB of photos a month. But I won't be pulling them back down unless there is a disaster

[22:06:02]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

And if I'm somehow using more bandwidth than I like, nothing prevents me from jumping ship

[22:06:22]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I also run a few web servers I might send a copy of the nightly dumps over from.

[22:06:36]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

I think I can reduce the size of my bandwidth transfer with a few smart decisions.

[22:06:50]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

A little scripting...

[22:06:54]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

If nothing has changed...don't back up

[22:07:13]

blizzard_:

sphery, didnt work and I still got duplicates (less than before tho)

[22:07:26]

sphery:

well, the clearing worked

[22:07:28]

kormoc:

GadgetWisdomGuru, I use rsnapshot which handles hardlinks

[22:07:33]

sphery:

the reconfiguration is where the problems happened

[22:07:41]

sphery:

I can't help with that, though--I don't know DVB-S

[22:08:02]

blizzard_:

sphery, but you think it's bound to the duplicates?

[22:08:18]

blizzard_:

that the grabber attaches its info to the non-used channel?

[22:08:20]

sphery:

if you have duplicate channels, yes, they are a problem

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sphery:

you need to properly specify xmltvid for each and every channel before ever running mythfilldatabase

[22:08:41]

blizzard_:

now im about to do direct hacking again ;)

[22:08:42]

sphery:

otherwise, duplicates are likely

[22:08:51]

blizzard_:

so if I drop all channels that I dont use

[22:08:59]

blizzard_:

and hack the xmltvid into those that im using

[22:09:20]

blizzard_:

and run mythfilldatabase, it should give me the results I want?

[22:09:23]

sphery:

I will not promise any results from any unsupported procedure for editing DB

[22:09:48]

sphery:

only thing I can say is that if you do the configuration properly, direct DB editing isn't required

[22:09:48]

blizzard_:

of course not, but you could guess that it should work

[22:10:03]

blizzard_:

yap, but something is messed up here =)

[22:10:19]

blizzard_:

gonna give it a try

[22:10:41]

blizzard_:

the worst thing that could happen is that I need to restore the database backup which gives me this state again =)

[22:11:08]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

kormoc, there are a lot of choices there as well.

[22:11:20]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

But I just have to bite the bullet. I'm not protecting myself

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

If I keep putting off being more proactive at backing up, I'll have another disaster.

[22:12:40]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

Like when my hosting company for a website I was admining for a nonprofit lost the donors database and the backup and wouldn't epxlain themselves.

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kormoc:

Never trust hosting companies :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Kormoc, I paid them. I thought that ensured they did their job

[22:19:24]

GadgetWisdomGuru:

They lost my business.

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blizzard_:

so xmltvid should match whats in the <grabber>.conf file?

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blizzard_:

at the moment the xmltvid for SVT1 is SVT1 and the <grabber>.conf file says channel=svt1.svt.se

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AYarter:

Hey all. I have installed mythtv from source and via package on debian, but I just can't read the output. Its miniscule. My dpi is set to 100 dpi, and its running on TV out.

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AYarter:

Any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

AYarter, that is actually triggered because tehre is another error popup that happened before the theme could load-- so what you need to do is look at your log output and fix whatever problem is indicated there

[22:37:23]

AYarter:

great. Let's see,

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AYarter:

Could not find theme, terrs used instead. No upnp backends,

[22:41:03]

sphery:

perhaps now I'll be able to repro the issue so I can fix it

[22:41:11]

sphery:

thanks for the howto :)

[22:42:51]

AYarter:

but I get the same deal with mythtv-setup.

[22:43:22]

sphery:

AYarter: your themes aren't installed... you need to install at least the Terra theme

[22:43:35]

sphery:

try starting with: mythtv-setup -O Theme=Terra

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sphery:

or the same for mythfrontend

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sphery:

that's on oh, by the way, as in override

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AYarter:

It seems that it's picking terra because it could not find theme. The only error I get is about my sql, which I haven't properly setup. Should I check that first?

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sphery:

mythtv-setup -O Theme=Terra

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iamlindoro:

You can't start any of the applications without SQL, so yes

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sphery:

you should do that, then it will have a proper theme, then it will show you the DB selection screen

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sphery:

mythtv-setup -O Theme=Terra

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AYarter:

allright. I mean, they start, but the font jsut looks like black blocks. lol. I'll try it

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iamlindoro:

You should trust sphery over me

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AYarter:

One minute

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sphery:

black blocks for font or tiny 1pt font on a basically blank screen?

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sphery:

if black blocks, install msttcorefonts

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AYarter:

they look like tiny black boxes

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AYarter:

tiny 1 pt font I think

[22:48:24]

AYarter:

but they could be black blocks. hard to tell.

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sphery:

so try: mythtv-setup -O Theme=Terra

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AYarter:

That did nothing. But theyre def 1 point fonts

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sphery:

and, of course, make sure you actually have Terra installed: ls -ld /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes/Terra

[22:50:08]

sphery:

if you don't get info on the directory, you need to install Terra

[22:50:20]

AYarter:

Thterra is definately installed.

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sphery:

OK, can you pastebin the contents of mythtv-setup.log after doing: mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee ~/mythtv-setup.log

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AYarter:

sure. one second

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AYarter:

http://pastebin.com/nvXgPv0H

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AYarter:

I stgill don't have mysql setup correctly it seems

[22:55:38]

AYarter:

but hrm.

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sphery:

are you planning to run mysql on this host for MythTV?

[22:56:28]

blizzard_:

YEY, ITs working =)

[22:56:46]

AYarter:

It doesn't matter. I'm using it simply to play my movies and launch emulators.

[22:58:16]

sphery:

AYarter: You need to do http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[22:58:29]

AYarter:

will do.

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AYarter:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zw28mg&s=6

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AYarter:

Thats' the screen output

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sphery:

excellent... that's the one I've been trying to reproduce so I can fix it, but I couldn't figure out how to do it

[22:59:12]

sphery:

now it seems I may be able to do it

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AYarter:

Is it?

[22:59:54]

AYarter:

Ive had this issue on compile and on raw package installation.

[23:00:08]

AYarter:

This is a really base linux install. Just the core system, x, and dependancies for mythtv

[23:01:05]

sphery:

yeah, it's just that I didn't know of what to break to allow me to reproduce it

[23:01:08]

sphery:

now I do

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AYarter:

and its the database?

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sphery:

seems that having no configured theme and having database issues will cause a popup in the "faked" theme used for initial DB setup prompts, which--due to not having a theme--results in a bad display

[23:06:38]

AYarter:

ahh hah. now everything's big

[23:07:11]

AYarter:

Now itc complaining about a lot of fonts not being found

[23:07:15]

AYarter:

but I can figure that out I thin

[23:08:23]

AYarter:

now I get http://pastebin.com/ZT1dcMJc

[23:08:30]

AYarter:

But that's just the not installed themes, right?

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sphery:

AYarter: No, the Arial font is in a package that's not GPL-compatible and that may or may not be redistributable (opinions differ). You'll have to install it separately. Usually msttcorefonts or similar

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AYarter:

oh, awesome.

[23:12:54]

AYarter:

I'm a solaris user, and this jump into linux has been nerve-shattering.

[23:13:10]

AYarter:

Things are similar enough, but different enough to drive me crazy

[23:13:32]

AYarter:

Thing is, my game/movie box was built years ago on Windows NT, and its time to get that rubbish out of this house.

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sphery:

yeah, funny enough the same holds true when you switch Linux distros, too

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AYarter:

I'm sure. Its probably tie to transition everything here to linux, but I'm not too happy with sparc linus.

[23:15:36]

AYarter:

*linux

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AYarter:

well, that seemed to work. Thanks!

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sphery:

yeah, x86 gets a lot more attention than sparc

[23:17:27]

sphery:

glad you got it

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sphery:

and thanks for teaching me how to repro that issue

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AYarter:

It does. I'm just hesistant to ditch my poor old sparc box. I love the thing. Its been nothing but stable. And while it may not be fast for FPU operations, I can do tons of things with very little noticeable slowdown.

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kormoc:

sphery, iamlindoro, example of innodb awesomeness, I compressed the recordedseek table, from 70 megs down to 7 :)

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sphery:

wow

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