Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 04:31 UTC

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Beirdo:

hmph

[04:33:10]

Beirdo:

hopefully that will be the end of the borkedness

[04:33:48]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[04:33:54]

Beirdo:

I think I should recompile the bot

[04:35:19]

highzeth:

1.6.18?

[04:36:34]

Beirdo:

huh?

[04:37:03]

highzeth:

sorry, assumed you had a eggdrop running

[04:37:16]

Beirdo:

heck no

[04:37:32]

highzeth:

I stand corrected, sorry ;)

[04:37:36]

Beirdo:

I have a beirdobot running :)

[04:38:18]

highzeth:

yeah, knew that, but didnt think you had made it all from scratch =)

[04:38:38]

Beirdo:

very much so

[04:38:54]

highzeth:

kudos

[04:39:32]

Beirdo:

thanks :)

[04:40:05]

highzeth:

what lingo?

[04:41:36]

highzeth:

nm got it

[04:43:52]

Beirdo:

hmm?

[04:44:11]

Beirdo:

sorry, was off changing the code :)

[04:45:26]

highzeth:

no worries, its even represented on twitter, got the info I needed. ;)

[04:45:40]

Beirdo:

OK, what the heck!

[04:45:51]

Beirdo:

my half-busted linode!

[04:45:54]

Beirdo:

argh :)

[04:46:24]

Beirdo:

I guess I'll finish the lucid upgrade

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Beirdo:

oh crap

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Beirdo:

that's it, you stupid system

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Beirdo:

I can't upgrade to lucid completely without resizing / first

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Beirdo:

so I and the bot will be back in a bit

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Beirdo:

again

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, he's a dum bass?

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iamlindoro:

silly fishy

[06:31:01]

Beirdo:

OK. moved 6G more into /

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Beirdo:

let's do this again :)

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justinh:

hey why do I even need my computer switched on to use mythfrontend to watch recordings?!

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justinh:

;)

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Beirdo:

heh, crap

[07:45:01]

Beirdo:

dist-upgrade took out mysql for too long

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Beirdo:

w00t

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justinh:

ARGHHHHH STUPID UBUNTU AND THEIR OBSESSION WITH POWER SAVING!!!!!!

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justinh:

put a livecd in a machine to do some copying... and it goes to SLEEP after a bit. GRRRRRRRRRRRR

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justinh:

That is utterly, utterly LAME

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Beirdo:

hahahaha

[07:57:39]

Beirdo:

that is SO retarded

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justinh:

my first attempt at an install on this box failed for the very same reason... got mythbuntu on there working great, left it overnight & it managed to turn itself unbootable overnight thanks to it defaulting to powersaving the bios doesn't support

[07:59:02]

justinh:

or otherwise doesn't have set-up yet

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Beirdo:

wow

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Beirdo:

ARGH

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Beirdo:

now I can't compile beirdobot?!

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Beirdo:

this is also retarded

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Beirdo:

make gives error 2

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Beirdo:

WTH is taht?

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justinh:

ruh? just checked the power saving settings.. nothing was turned on bar the screen blanking. sensible after all. so maybe it's the retarded 'multimedia' keyboard sending random sleep commands & making stuff hibernate

[08:05:26]

justinh:

wouldn't put it past that pound shop special

[08:05:48]

justinh:

really should invest in a couple of better 'spare' keyboards

[08:07:15]

justinh:

I've unplugged it til the dd is complete. something tells me the partition table is gonna be mangled beyond use

[08:09:16]

Beirdo:

computers suck

[08:09:45]

justinh:

all I know is that you 'cannot' clone a big HDD to a smaller HDD

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justinh:

what I do not know is whether or not you can get away with it if you don't mind losing part or all of a partition

[08:10:54]

justinh:

my fallback is installing again on the small hdd & NOT letting update mangler do its thang... cos that breaks the intel tvout rather spacktacularly

[08:12:36]

justinh:

whatever happens I'm gonna have to fix grub cos it'll be looking for a UUID that no longer exists

[08:13:02]

justinh:

stupid frigging 'improvements' all in the name of 'progress'.. GRR

[08:14:58]

dustybin:

i am installing all of the myth plugins in slackware, the only dep missing was libcdaudio

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Beirdo:

I hate mounting by uuid

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Beirdo:

it's retarded

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justinh:

muhhhh, but I change my disks around & always want to boot from the same physical disk!

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Beirdo:

so use filesystem labels :)

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justinh:

no! labels are wot windoze has! :-\

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justinh:

I can't imagine the argument FOR UUIDs

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dustybin:

justinh: have you done anything with your jogglers yet

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justinh:

how are they generated anyway? some hash from the drive serial/model number/random ?

[08:18:47]

dustybin:

i must be on justinh ignore list :(

[08:19:02]

kormoc:

there's a big wikipedia entry on how they're generated

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kormoc:

The argument for UUID is that you can swap in and out drives and it'll boot the correct one no matter what other drives are in there

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dustybin:

LABELS ftw

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justinh:

yeah but who does that very often?

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kormoc:

I do? ;)

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dustybin:

UUID is important if you use external drives

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justinh:

ahhh giving usb devices /dev/sd* tags doesn't help

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justinh:

they really coulda came up with a new identifier for usb disks

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

well, they were /dev/sd* first, sata moved (desktop) hard drives from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd*

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

did a new git clone, and all better

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Beirdo:

dustybin: nah, you can use ext3 labels

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dustybin:

aye up yes, thats what i meant

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Beirdo:

but yeah, if you repeat labels... you could be screwed

[08:23:03]

Beirdo:

trac.c:1166: error: 'svn_client_log' is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/subversion-1/svn_client.h:2062)

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Beirdo:

woohoo... API change.

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Beirdo:

crud

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justinh:

I've got one motherboard somewhere which refuses to boot if you have a USB keyboard plugged into the wrong controller

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dustybin:

1) do a full slackware install 2) install mythtv .23 slackbuild – the only missing dep is lame 3) install mythtv plugins slackbuild – the only missing dep was libcdaudio. what other distro can install mythtv easy as that?

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justinh:

same for usb memory sticks

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** Beirdo frowns **

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** dustybin feels excited **

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justinh:

heh the wikipedia entry doesn't really say how HDD UUIDs are created

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justinh:

whee the dd is almost halfway

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Beirdo:

fresh build

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Beirdo:

and final build for a while. :)

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Beirdo:

turns out my build problem was a borked directory

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

the upgrade broke gallery2

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Beirdo:

at least it's securely borked

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it can wait

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Beirdo:

ah crap, and it won't reinstall either

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Beirdo:

aaaah, root fs has errors... again

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dan4dm_:

mythnetvision seems unable to subscribe to my youtube favourites feed. is this cos the feed is atom? (anyone tried this?)

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Beirdo:

I and the bot will be back... gotta hit single user

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dan4dm_:

hmm and why does mythnetvision show me "Youtube Videos for Whitchurch, United Kingdom" in its youtube tree? some slightly botched geolocation?

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justinh:

probably youtube's fault

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justinh:

well, the clone of a big hdd to a much smaller one got me a bootable disk where mythfrontend works, but fdisk -l seems to show the disk is screwed

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justinh:

back into the livecd to fix it

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dan4dm_:

yup

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justinh:

who'd have thought it though.. the dd clone 720GB > 120GB produced a working, bootable disk

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justinh:

just the partition table is borked

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Beirdo:

I wanna slap this machine silly

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justinh:

how the hell did this thing ever boot? lol

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justinh:

testdisk is even saying nothing is recoverable

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Beirdo:

oh thank GOD

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Beirdo:

my gallery is working again

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Beirdo:

took a lot of pissing around to make it install right

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Beirdo:

that's it. bed

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Beirdo:

frigging 4am

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Beirdo:

I hate computers today

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justinh:

trying a different way now

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justinh:

made a new fs on the smaller hdd, and just gonna rsync the original hdd to it

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justinh:

wish I could remember wth I did to get the tvout working properly

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justinh:

ok then. how do I now update grub2 to work with the new different hdd?

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justinh:

hmm looks like I might not have to after all

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justinh:

only one way to find out!

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justinh:

wong! now at the 'grub rescue' prompt :-\

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justinh:

seems like a good ole UUID mixup. grrr

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justinh:

arghhh. wrong again. sda is ****ed

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sid3windr:

hrmpf

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sid3windr:

all my pvr500 recordings are fooched since the upgrade to .23

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sid3windr:

watching livetv works ok

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sid3windr:

what can be wrong?

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justinh:

what say yer loggings?

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sid3windr:

I'll have to check

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sid3windr:

the stuff is recorded, the sound is ok

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sid3windr:

the image is very distorted and jumpy

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sid3windr:

only for new recordings, playing back ones from before last weekend is ok

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sid3windr:

dvb-t recordings are ok

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sid3windr:

backend logs don't have any errors that I can see – as the recording went ok

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justinh:

rats I forgot the / on the rsync

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justinh:

frontend logs then? what does -v playback say?

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sid3windr:

http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/broken500.mpg

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sid3windr:

it's not on the frontend

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sid3windr:

playing back the mpg has the same content

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justinh:

arghhh I can't run grub-install from a chroot cos the fs is mounted

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sid3windr:

that should work?

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sid3windr:

fs can be mounted

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sid3windr:

you just need /dev and /proc bindmounted

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justinh:

bindmounted?

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sid3windr:

at least that's how I do it

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sid3windr:

outside the chroot

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sid3windr:

mount /proc /mnt/proc --bind

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sid3windr:

same for dev

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sid3windr:

(if you have the chroot mounted in /mnt)

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justinh:

seems to have worked. cheers

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justinh:

I'll reboot & see if it did

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dewman:

what does video pts inconsistent mean in mytharchive?

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justinh:

bah that hasn't worked either :-\

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justinh:

gave up waiting for root device

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justinh:

hrm

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dewman:

I have about a zillion entries in my mythburn.log of the video dts inconsistent. =(

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justinh:

dewman: timing inconsistencies in the video. pretty common with dvb streams

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dewman:

justinh, hmmm. Could that be related to hardware?

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justinh:

not really

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justinh:

unless your signal is crapola

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dewman:

Well, I do have a crapola card...

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dewman:

a pctv hd card 800i (it was free)

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justinh:

wayyyyyyyyyyyyy!

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justinh:

she works!

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justinh:

sid3windr: this time I didn't bother binding /proc & it worked – but grub-update grumbled a bit. boots fine now. all worky :)

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justinh:

boot time is way slower now though :-\

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dewman:

justinh, so how do people back up there shows to dvd if the timing is inconsistent?

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sid3windr:

justinh: cool :=)

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sid3windr:

now after a lot of compiling on my win box it turns out that the win32 packager was not updated for .23 :/

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mcl0vin:

morning folks

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Kazan:

mornin

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mcl0vin:

i have schedule direct setup, but when i record something the title is always wrong

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Kazan:

A) is your timezone correct

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Kazan:

B) do you have EIT enabled

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** mcl0vin checking **

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mcl0vin:

Kazan: i check this in the BE right

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Kazan:

yes

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Kazan:

timezone would be in your system time settings

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Kazan:

and EIT is in mythtv-setup

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mcl0vin:

Perform EIT Scan is not checked

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Kazan:

ok

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mcl0vin:

and on the BE main menu, it shows "Sat Jun 5, 8:05 AM" which is the right time

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Kazan:

ok

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Kazan:

is it consistently a problem with a single show?

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Kazan:

or all shows?

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mcl0vin:

last time i checked it was on all shows

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justinh:

dewman: wasn't aware anybody still bothered to save stuff to DVD

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justinh:

tv is enough of a waste of time without wasting recordable media on it too :)

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Kazan:

justinh: lol. i was just setting up a podcast retrvier to fetch videocasts of some shows that i don't get, but that post their video (daily show, etc)

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justinh:

svn co http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/7.6/trunk/squeezeplay

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justinh:

oops

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Kazan:

ok.. i'm officially going to kill mythplugins .configure

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Kazan:

it is sayin that dependancies for mythmusic are missing

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Kazan:

mcl0vin: you sure you have the right lineup selected in SD?

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Kazan:

but they're installed, and their headers are in the gcc include paths (just checked)

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mcl0vin:

Kazan: yes i do

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Kazan:

mcl0vin: weird. do you have "System stores time in GMT" in one place, and not in another?

[15:24:58]

mcl0vin:

Kazan: it is weird... its working fine now

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mcl0vin:

huh

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Kazan:

its working now?

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GlemSom:

I have a "reboot-when-idle" script running at around 4am, to reboot the computer – IF mythbackend is not recording anything (or wait if it is)... However, i cannot figure out how to detect if a DVB playback is running.. I would NOT want to reboot if the wife is watching one of her DVD's !! :P Anyone have any suggestions to detect that? (Other then analyzing mythfrontend.log all the time)

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justinh:

GlemSom: just enquire a frontend's status over the telnet port?

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GlemSom:

justinh, I didn't know that was possible... ? Can you point me to some documentation?

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justinh:

the wiki. as usual

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justinh:

or you could even use mythtv's new events system

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justinh:

all sorts of things are possible with that

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mcl0vin:

Kazan: i was syncing with the previous channel, 249 "American pie" now i changed to 252 "Face to die for" it shows unknow

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justinh:

you could make a playback start event touch a file, then make a playback stop event delete the file...

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justinh:

then do if (file) in your shutdown script :)

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justinh:

or whatever

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Kazan:

mcl0vin: weird

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GlemSom:

justinh, Does mythvideo support that too ?

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justinh:

GlemSom: think so. should do

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justinh:

anything the internal player does

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justinh:

woohoo squeezeplay finally built, and works!

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justinh:

now to fix my joggler usb stick

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GlemSom:

justinh, Ok, thanks – I'll give that a try! :D

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GlemSom:

justinh, It's the "status port" right? that's 6544 in my case... The connection just closes when I telnet to it... :/

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

check the wiki like I said

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GlemSom:

justinh, The wiki says: "To use this feature you must first enable it in Settings>General>General"... Sadly that does not exist... :( Ohh well, guess it's a but outdated...

[16:01:16]

wagnerrp:

setup --> setup --> general, remote control

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wagnerrp:

looks like page 9

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pontifier:

I am having extreme problems with mythtv...

[16:14:21]

pontifier:

I'm about to give up

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pontifier:

I have tried mythtv on fresh installs of ubuntu 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10, as well as various mythbuntus

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wagnerrp:

10.04?

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pontifier:

that one too

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wagnerrp:

with an updated mythtv through the auto-builds?

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wagnerrp:

the versions of myth shipped with 9.10 and 10.04 were pre-release

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pontifier:

I tried it when it came out

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pontifier:

I keep having similar problems... mythtv will work for a few hours if I manualy change permissions on my dvb tuners, then it will stop working and silently not record

[16:19:27]

pontifier:

mythweb shows a "B" file size and says that the recordings are still in progress

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pontifier:

the log shows that the recording is going just fine, but the recording file doesn't exist

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justinh:

oh wow. squeeze stuff is niiice

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wagnerrp:

if you have an empty file or no file, the backend logs should show some errors as to why

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pontifier:

they dont

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wagnerrp:

justinh: the logitech music streaming stuff?

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wagnerrp:

pontifier: mind posting a big chunk of them somewhere?

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pontifier:

oh, and some of my log files are gigabytes in size

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wagnerrp:

truncate them, and try to reproduce the problem

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pontifier:

so is there any os/version that actualy works out of the box?

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wagnerrp:

no, at the very least you have to configure your tuner cards and sources, that will never change

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tank-man:

only macs can "work out of the box"

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pontifier:

that's fine... i've done that a thousand times

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pontifier:

but the permissions changing, and things breaking and recordings failing... is there a version that just works?

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pontifier:

once I get it working is there a stable version that will keep working?

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pontifier:

on any os, any version

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pontifier:

I have tried multiple machines, various tuner setups, various backend/frontend setups, and none work for any length of time.

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tank-man:

im still running mythtv 0.21

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tank-man:

no problems

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pontifier:

which os?

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tank-man:

slackware 12

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pontifier:

I'll try it

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pontifier:

thanks

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tank-man:

well

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tank-man:

why not try to fix what you have now

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats a good idea

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wagnerrp:

well need the backend logs to help with that

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pontifier:

cause it's hopelessly broken... I have re-installed the os/mythtv 6 or 7 times this year trying to find a combination that works...

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pontifier:

I'm not attached to anything on the machine

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pontifier:

I'd rather start from a known good configuration

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pontifier:

slackware 12, mythtv 0.21 sounds as good as anything else

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wagnerrp:

crap.... mythtranscode froze

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wagnerrp:

have about 25 recordings queued up, and its been stalled at number 5 for the past hour

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tank-man:

wagnerrp, any reason you don't transcode after it is recorded?

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wagnerrp:

i need to mark the cutpoints first

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wagnerrp:

no sense transcoding if you dont have the cutpoints

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Pluribus:

pontifier, I have been a user on fedora based systems since the 0.18 days... The ATRPMS.net distro of MythTV gave me little trouble at all. (Full Disclosure. Some ripped movies didnt play right and wont in a full distro until 0.24 but there is a workable workaround for my specific issue)

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Pluribus:

I recently moved to trunk... (It isnt for the faint of heart as things can randomly break... and sometimes do)

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wagnerrp:

s/randomly/intentionally/

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wagnerrp:

s/sometimes/often/

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Pluribus:

LOL, true... like metadata fetching :-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that stuff for mythvideo is currently in a complete rewrite

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Pluribus:

Yeah, I know, It looks like it will be cool when it works.

[16:52:44]

Pluribus:

at least jamu still works, so I dont care...

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pontifier:

so what would you recomend for stability

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wagnerrp:

0.23

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Pluribus:

atrpms.net distro of 0.23

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pontifier:

on fedora

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Pluribus:

(That is what I use, other prefer debian distro, I cant help you there)

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wagnerrp:

everyone is going to have their own preference for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, most of them are equally good for anyone who knows that distro

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Pluribus:

I learned Redhat based distros first so that is my preference... Agreed wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

the canned mythtv distros (mythbuntu, mythdora, linhes) are just going to make things a bit easier during setup

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that typically wouldnt be recommended is LFS (for masochists only), and CentOS/RHEL (by the end of their update cycle, theyre generally very dated)

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Pluribus:

MythTV setup CAN be daunting the first time, because it is very flexible. If a linux novice, try one of the mythtv distro... like wagnerrp named. I have used mythdora in the past and it worked well for a simple mythtv setup. The hardest part is getting the hardware right... the software is pretty straight forward.

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wagnerrp:

right, having well supported hardware is crucial to a nice mythtv experience

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Pluribus:

Getting up to a VDPAU capable video card in my front end made a TON of difference to the overall frontend experience.

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Pluribus:

But it will work with non-capable cards, but some things (lik high def video) can studder.

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Pluribus:

wagnerrp, do you mythgame at all?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Pluribus:

neither did I until last night... need to investigate the rom scanning for mame. just exists immediately without finding anything..

[17:02:29]

Pluribus:

(I need to investigate)

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Pluribus:

Yeah, since moving to trunk, I have become MUCH more "in to" what it can do and trying it all out :-)

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Pluribus:

kinda bummed about mythmovies, but I understand (Lack of metadata makes it hard :-) )

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simplelessons:

hi everyone, the mythtv homepage indicates that there is a mythflix plugin for watching netflix on mythtv, however the wiki page has been deleted. is that functionality still supported in .23 or is it part of another plugin?

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wagnerrp:

simplelessons: there was never a mythflix pluging for watching netflix on mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there was a mythflix plugin for managing your mailing queue in mythtv, but it has since been removed

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wagnerrp:

no one wanted to update it for QT4 and the new UI, and considering its very limited functionality, it was simply dropped

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Bakefy:

Hello everyone

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simplelessons:

so the only way to use the netflix watch now feature is the open a brower on the htpc and go through that channel?

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wagnerrp:

no, that doesnt work either

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wagnerrp:

netflix 'watch now' requires a browser with silverlight

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mcl0vin:

does mythtv always record in 30min intervals

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wagnerrp:

moonlight exists for linux, however it does not have the necessary DRM components to make netflix run

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: mythtv always records one show

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simplelessons:

ah ok, thanks

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Bakefy:

Hey guys i have a question about the cable card / ir blaster solution

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wagnerrp:

'cablecard' and ir blasters have nothing to do with each other

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Bakefy:

is my best bet to record hd channels to have the ir blaster hooked up to a provided cable box?

[17:35:13]

wagnerrp:

yes, or use firewire for control instead of IR

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Bakefy:

thank you +wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: might be worth adding that one to a '!url'

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp pretty sure I am reading cablecards will never come out for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

Bakefy: mythtv, and linux in general, will never be able to satisfy the licensing requirements necessary to use cablecards

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: well i am watching a movie , then my wife wanted me to skip back to the beginning of it....so i use the arrows and skip back but when i reach the 00:00 marker and i kept hitting the arrow , it showed another 00:30 and another 00:30

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: understandable. Thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

when using livetv, mythtv will only start recording when you change to that channel

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wagnerrp:

it cannot retro-actively 'divine' the video that came before that point

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: ??

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wagnerrp:

you are watching livetv?

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mcl0vin:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you started watching that channel before the movie started?

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mcl0vin:

no

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wagnerrp:

you will only be able to rewind to the point that you started watching the movie

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mcl0vin:

i understand

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, you really expect otherwise?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will record from that point forward until the end of the show/movie in a single file

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mcl0vin:

but my question is it buffers in 30 min intervals

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wagnerrp:

at which point the next show on that channel will start to record to a new file

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wagnerrp:

it used to have a ring buffer for livetv

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wagnerrp:

but that has been done away with

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, it will only do 30 minute increments when it dosn't have guide data

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mcl0vin:

ah because it is showing unknown

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mcl0vin:

weird i just checked my SD and it shows that channel in mt line up

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wagnerrp:

is it a digital channel?

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mcl0vin:

yes

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: with firewire and a digital reciever set top box you dont even need a tv tuner.... correct?

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wagnerrp:

did you ever manually set the xmltvid for it?

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wagnerrp:

Bakefy: with the limitation that you can only record those shows marked as 'copy freely'

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: no, i don't even know how

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wagnerrp:

Bakefy: and that may mean 'nothing'

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wagnerrp:

your cable company is only required to provide a cable box with firewire ports

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: okay, so the firewire can control the box and the tuner will pick up what it is displaying...

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt actually have to provide any freely available content on those ports

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wagnerrp:

preferably you would use a capture card rather than a tuner

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: okay cool. hdmi hopefully isnt too expensive

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wagnerrp:

hdmi... capture?

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: guess they dont have those yet.

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: you have to go into the channel editor, in mythtv-setup or mythweb

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wagnerrp:

and specify the xmltvids for those channels you scanned in

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wagnerrp:

Bakefy: oh, they exist, but they will not capture HDCP content

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wagnerrp:

and anything outputted by an STB will be encrypted with HDCP

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: what is the preffered card for mythtv? I have a QAM card.... its good for over the air, but it seems worthless if I get cable.

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wagnerrp:

a QAM card is only good for cable, an ATSC card is only good for over-the-air

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Bakefy:

I guess mine is atsc

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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Bakefy:

Hauppauge HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

supports QAM

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wagnerrp:

for whatever channels you may get over clear QAM

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Bakefy:

i fear I will get none

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wagnerrp:

not likely to be more than your local broadcasts

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Bakefy:

yeah, I have a filter on the cable now...

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wagnerrp:

guaranteed to be at least your local broadcasts

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Bakefy:

I cant test it (I only have cable internet currently)

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wagnerrp:

(by law)

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wagnerrp:

well if you have no cable subscription, they arent required to give you anything

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Bakefy:

yeah, I understand. I just cant test it

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Bakefy:

I was planning on having service before the new futuramas

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Bakefy:

+wagnerrp: it seems I will need a capture card per cable box or channel I want to record simultanuosly. Do you have a preffered card (sounds like I need to perchase new equiment anyway)

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 will do standard definition capture just fine

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wagnerrp:

if you need more, any IVTV card will do nicely

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mcl0vin:

1600 hauppage

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wagnerrp:

and the HDPVR is currently the only option for HD capture

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: correct, the card he stated he already has

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mcl0vin:

it sucks thu.... no remote

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 comes with a remote

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wagnerrp:

and an IR receiver, and an IR blaster

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Bakefy:

yeah!

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: yeah but doesn't work for me with myth

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Bakefy:

I have not got the thing working on mythtv yet though

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mcl0vin:

i bought two of them

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: which destro

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Bakefy:

not sure...

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Bakefy:

how can I tell you?

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Bakefy:

Its in the mythtv box right now

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wagnerrp:

apparently the lirc_pvr150 driver currently supports the 1600

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: i mean are you going to use mythtv in windows or linux

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: bull crap i read that too , it doesn't i tried it

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mcl0vin:

:)

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Bakefy:

mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt know... dont have one

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: hahahahah good luck mate

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, are you sure you're using the right driver? Did you compile it yourself from cvs?

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Bakefy:

I have not been worrying about the remote much... it would be nice... but I would like the spdif working more

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Bakefy:

currently I have no sound

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: yes i did

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kormoc:

lirc package or ir_core?

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: are you using a receiver

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: lirc

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Bakefy:

mcl0vin: yes

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kormoc:

you likely need to use the ir_core stuff

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: yamaha

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Bakefy:

mcl0vin: its a sony

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kormoc:

it requires a extremely new kernel and self patching of the kernel sources

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: and you are sure there is audio in

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: i suck in that aread, do you have a link or guide

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Bakefy:

I have the spdif hooked up, I just dont think I have it set up correctly

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kormoc:

mcl0vin, no, it's still under active development and is hardly complete enough to write a guide

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: so explain to me how you have audio in

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mcl0vin:

kormoc: how can i read about it

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kormoc:

I don't think you can beyond reading the source at this point

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mcl0vin:

:)

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: try cat /dev/video0 > filename.mpg

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mcl0vin:

and try to open that with regular vlc and see if you have audio there

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Bakefy:

i have audio through headphones

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Bakefy:

I just need to change it to the spdif

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mahr83:

on video that you already have, how do you get mythtv to see them? I set the path in the video setting but when i use the frontend its just blank

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mahr83:

is there any particular formats that its expecting?

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mcl0vin:

i know exactly what you have there Bakefy

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mcl0vin:

i gtg now thu

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Bakefy:

ok

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mcl0vin:

but check your receiver and check it is setup as -xxdb for the DVD

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mcl0vin:

*or which ever port you plugged in

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mcl0vin:

let me ask you do u hear stereo or mono out of the speakers

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mcl0vin:

if its a new receiver , i should have OSD or something like that

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mcl0vin:

check it out and i sould be back later

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Bakefy:

i dont know what xxdb is

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mcl0vin:

i mean am not a guru i my self barely start with mythtv and with the help of great guys here like wagnerrp and kormoc and much more i learned little by little

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Bakefy:

this is the system i have Sony BRAVIA HTIS100

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mcl0vin:

Bakefy: 10db or 5db

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mcl0vin:

hell no , am not spoon feeding you

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Bakefy:

you dont need to.

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Bakefy:

I am just giving you information

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mcl0vin:

laters guys

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Bakefy:

cya

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mcl0vin:

that suck thu i don't want to leave you hanging like that :)

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mcl0vin:

have you tried to crank the volume all the way up

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Bakefy:

I have messed with the volume settings

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esperegu:

what are ok values for szap ? (for the signal and snr )

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mcl0vin:

ya then read the manual

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Bakefy:

The problem is either with the reciever assuming audio is coming in though hdmi or that it isnt coming though on the mythbox

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Bakefy:

I can test if the spdif is working with another stereo

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mcl0vin:

re check everything

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Bakefy:

assuming this was supported by linux, why cant we just hook something like this up to the set top box to capture http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 49-_-Product

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AndyCap:

Bakefy: I think that would be sabotaged by hdcp

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Bakefy:

andycap: gotcha, i'm just not up to speed.

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Bakefy:

The rented dvr from the cable company is seeming better and better :(

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xand:

correction: DRM sucks

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AndyCap:

Bakefy: if you want it absolutely simple, and don't mind any missing features, sure

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Bakefy:

does the coax from the set top box send 1080i to the monitor?

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Bakefy:

(typically)

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wagnerrp:

correct, nothing you may want to record will be available over HDMI without HDCP

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wagnerrp:

the only thing this would be good for is direct capture off an HD camcorder or somethign

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wagnerrp:

someone is claiming to be recording off their game console

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AndyCap:

Bakefy: what coax? you mean the rf output, or the three component outputs?

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wagnerrp:

i know for a fact that the PS3 uses HDCP

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wagnerrp:

it that not true with the Xbox?

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Bakefy:

I'm not sure

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: not sure what the component stuff mentioned there was

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Bakefy:

AndyCap: I am talking about the cable going to the TV fromt the set top box

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ah, never mind, it has dongles

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wagnerrp:

for component, that card supports it, but linux does not support that card

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wagnerrp:

nor does mythtv

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wagnerrp:

not to mention it has no hardware encoder

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Bakefy:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

meaning youre going to be compressing HD material in real time on the CPU

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wagnerrp:

not a fun prospect

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Bakefy:

yeah, I only have one fast cpu, and its needed elsewhere

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AndyCap:

yay, framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

'fast cpu' doesnt really cut it

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Bakefy:

so the only product out there for recording digital HD cable from a set top box is the HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

im not sure there is a CPU available that could manage to do something better than a low performance compressor

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Pluribus:

Amen, PVR-1212 was a godsend.

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wagnerrp:

i.e. huffyuv, mjpeg, mpng

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wagnerrp:

Bakefy: available, and usable in mythtv, yes

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Bakefy:

this is horrible news.

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Bakefy:

lol

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Bakefy:

I think I hate cable, I will just stick to pirating

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wagnerrp:

contact your local senator about the evils of DRM

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wagnerrp:

dont talk about that here or youll get banned

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Pluribus:

Picked one up last week for $163 at my local frys after the local power company spiked the house, blowing up my old tuner.

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esperegu:

anyone can tell me what are normal signal and snr va/ues?

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kormoc:

Bakefy, mention pirating again and get banned from the channel

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Bakefy:

Got it.

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: while youre around, does mythweb cache results from the available frontend search?

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Bakefy:

i meant tivo is cheaper than all this, I don't even see the point anymore

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Bakefy:

commercial detection is nice and all.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, only for the duration of the page render

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wagnerrp:

so every time i open up the recording detail page, it does the scan?

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kormoc:

Yes

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GreyFoxx:

Bake: Sometimes it's about freedom, choice, flexibility, and something you find interesting. If you are just looking for an appliance then myth is not the right choice

[18:52:31]

wagnerrp:

meaning i could considerably speed that up by clearing out old frontends from the database that no longer exist?

[18:52:48]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, depends on your network, but perhaps yes

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Pluribus:

Bakefy, MythTV doesnt doesnt collect viewing habits and use it for marketing :-)

[18:54:01]

Bakefy:

mythtv is the ultimate setup

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wagnerrp:

Pluribus: some would consider that a fault

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Bakefy:

its just devistating that I am required to spend so much to record things in hd.

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kormoc:

devistating?

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GreyFoxx:

Back when I was recording in HD it cost me the $5 for the firewire cable heh

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Pluribus:

For instance, I have one server in my utility room, with a shitload of storage and multiple tuners, I have a frontend in the bedroom, family room, living room, and kids play room.

[18:55:20]

wagnerrp:

Pluribus: watch the language

[18:55:26]

GreyFoxx:

but you can thank your cableco and media companies for making it more inconvienient for you

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wagnerrp:

and for what its worth, i would love for mythtv to collect anonymous viewing statistics and fire it off to nielson or whoever

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Pluribus:

wagnerrp: yes, some would consider it a fault, but I dont... Commercial skip makes all the maintenance work worth it.

[18:56:16]

wagnerrp:

make it more likely the shows i want to watch stay on the air

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Bakefy:

I will need a Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 for every HD channel I want to record?

[18:57:15]

wagnerrp:

HDPVR, yes

[18:57:36]

wagnerrp:

for everything you cannot receive over QAM or firewire

[18:57:43]

Bakefy:

gotcha

[18:58:32]

Bakefy:

I remember my brothers first HD tv (with built in digital tuner)

[18:58:33]

GreyFoxx:

1 per simultaneous recording, not really per channel

[18:58:36]

GreyFoxx:

just to be clear

[18:58:41]

Bakefy:

we had comcast, it picked up everything.

[18:58:42]

Pluribus:

Bakefy, for every HD channel you want at the same time. not every channel.

[18:58:47]

Bakefy:

they must have not scrambled it

[18:59:18]

Bakefy:

haha if I had one for every channel...

[18:59:27]

Bakefy:

I would need more hard drives

[18:59:35]

wagnerrp:

Bakefy: comcast dropped their analog lineup, and instead started distributing DTAs

[18:59:53]

Bakefy:

im on time warner brighthouse now

[18:59:55]

wagnerrp:

the DTAs were cheap because comcast did not shell out of the full modular crypto package

[19:00:11]

wagnerrp:

which meant everything they were to receive had to be broadcast in the clear

[19:00:22]

Bakefy:

i mean.. in a way I understand... this is stopping the jerks stealing cable

[19:00:29]

wagnerrp:

however they have since been getting issued waivers for 'privacy mode' by the FCC

[19:00:47]

wagnerrp:

allowing them to enable a crude 1DES encryption that those cheap tuners can handle

[19:01:19]

Bakefy:

is there any advantage to cable over dish or directTV? or is it all the same crap?

[19:01:34]

wagnerrp:

allowing encryption is a way for them to prevent people from stealing cable

[19:01:41]

wagnerrp:

copy restrictions are a way for them to screw the customer

[19:01:54]

GreyFoxx:

exactly

[19:02:07]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, you could just connect to the cablebox over firewire, and record anything youre authorized to watch

[19:02:19]

wagnerrp:

meaning, all the content youve rightfully paid for

[19:02:25]

GreyFoxx:

I have an appointment with a local politician to ask why his political party is trying to turn me into a criminal :)

[19:02:34]

Bakefy:

haha

[19:02:41]

GreyFoxx:

next thursday :)

[19:02:53]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, cause people with money want you to be a criminal :)

[19:03:10]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: clearing out defunct frontends makes those pages load MUCH faster

[19:03:40]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, hrm, guess I should work on speeding up that detection

[19:04:02]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah, but how often do people actually GO talk to politicians about it. I have appointments with the threee local party representitves from each political party to discuss the propose copyright changes which include wording about making it illegal to bypass digital locks :)

[19:04:03]

wagnerrp:

what was that caching you were talking about previously?

[19:04:31]

GreyFoxx:

infact the vast majority of our population has already spoken out about it, and a lot of large businesses, telcos, and media groups here in Canada

[19:04:32]

Beirdo:

GreyFoxx: bring a taser

[19:04:32]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, you can enable memcache or shm caching and have caches that live beyond end of page load

[19:04:39]

wagnerrp:

maybe you could do something similar, cache available frontends for a couple minutes or something

[19:04:47]

GreyFoxx:

it's one political group trying to make the US happy

[19:05:05]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, there's a few other tricks I can do with async network requests

[19:05:10]

wagnerrp:

or use 'select' to try to pull up all the machines simultaneously

[19:05:16]

** wagnerrp goes off to implement that in the bindings **

[19:05:23]

GreyFoxx:

so I expect it to die yet another flaming death but I plan to get my own 2 cents in so I at least feel like I stood up for myself :)

[19:05:37]

GreyFoxx:

Beird: if only :)

[19:05:41]

wagnerrp:

the bindings have the same problem when i have them request a list of frontends

[19:06:32]

Bakefy:

are there any other alternatives to mythtv that have cablecards provided?

[19:06:41]

wagnerrp:

windows media center

[19:06:48]

wagnerrp:

(only thing that can use cablecards)

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Bakefy:

I am just wondering about doing all of my recording with windows media center... then having mythtv get those commercials out

[19:08:05]

wagnerrp:

cant happen

[19:08:23]

wagnerrp:

any content that WMC will record off a cablecard will be encrypted on the disk

[19:08:33]

Bakefy:

incredible

[19:08:42]

wagnerrp:

and must be passed back through the cablecard and authorized for decryption at time of playback

[19:08:57]

wagnerrp:

after which it follows a protected path all the way to your tv/monitor

[19:09:23]

wagnerrp:

aint DRM cool?

[19:09:27]

Bakefy:

hahah

[19:09:38]

Bakefy:

I would still need a hdpvr

[19:09:41]

Beirdo:

digital rights mangling

[19:09:58]

Bakefy:

then just a line of shows ready to be sent over

[19:10:12]

Bakefy:

once again not worth it

[19:10:19]

wagnerrp:

Bakefy: no, because it will only be output in HD if youre using HDMI with an HDCP compliant device

[19:10:36]

wagnerrp:

in such a case you would need an HDPVR AND an HD-Fury

[19:10:40]

Bakefy:

okay

[19:11:02]

Bakefy:

im gonna throw and HD-Fit

[19:11:09]

wagnerrp:

remember, that protected path goes all the way to your display device

[19:11:09]

Bakefy:

an*

[19:11:58]

Bakefy:

getting an hd camera to just start recording what I watch... it will be mounted in the room... you will hear coughs and such

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wagnerrp:

yeah, because that will end up being cheaper...

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Bakefy:

honestly... it would be. but the quality would be stupid

[19:14:58]

Bakefy:

wonder if this will be nice... http://www.google.com/tv/

[19:15:13]

wagnerrp:

it wont record, it wont even process whats on screen

[19:15:25]

wagnerrp:

all it does is provide its own overlay onto the video

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: it's not like people haven't been doing that in cinemas for quite some time

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Bakefy:

what do you guys like for a nice frontend box?

[19:18:31]

wagnerrp:

dedicated frontend?

[19:18:36]

Bakefy:

yes

[19:19:09]

wagnerrp:

a little mini-itx or micro-atx board and case, onboard video, midrange amd or intel processor

[19:19:36]

Pluribus:

wagnerrp, Thinking on your previous statement about neilson... has anyone asked them if they fund the development? I can see it workign nicely if it was truely anonymous and opt in. (If it helped keep my shows on, it would be worth it.)

[19:19:51]

wagnerrp:

not that i know of

[19:19:56]

AndyCap:

isn't it nielsen?

[19:20:06]

wagnerrp:

could be

[19:20:10]

Pluribus:

Probably, but I cant spell for squat.

[19:20:43]

AndyCap:

Nielsen Media Research

[19:23:02]

kormoc:

to easy to fake if it's open source

[19:24:20]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, how many downed FEs did you have?

[19:24:42]

wagnerrp:

9 listed, 2 active

[19:24:47]

kormoc:

kk

[19:25:52]

wagnerrp:

3 different names for my laptop, which no longer runs mfe, two desktops which no longer run mfe, and two backends which dont typically run mfe (and have no need for remote control)

[19:27:57]

Bakefy:

I wonder if an intel atom 1.6 can display 1080i

[19:28:10]

wagnerrp:

display? yes... decode? not well

[19:28:32]

Bakefy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220013 just wondering if this would do the job

[19:28:57]

wagnerrp:

not until myth gets VAAPI support

[19:28:57]

Bakefy:

its got a decent graphics card

[19:29:12]

Bakefy:

gotcha

[19:30:29]

Bakefy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hiper_HMC-2K53A i really like that.

[19:30:29]

Pluribus:

I just got the cheapest barebones machine from Tigerdirect, added a Nvidia GT-220 video card and it makes a wonderful FE for less than $400. Fan is fairly quiet, only had to snip one LED (Dang bright blue LED in the front of the case)

[19:31:07]

wagnerrp:

Pluribus: i find repeated coats from a sharpie works well

[19:31:33]

Bakefy:

sound comes through hdmi (I assume)

[19:31:40]

wagnerrp:

it can, yes

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Pluribus:

hadnt thought of that... Would have been less trouble.

[19:32:09]

wagnerrp:

more trouble, but you get to keep the light

[19:32:12]

Bakefy:

on my gaming rig, i have that setup

[19:32:27]

Bakefy:

its just a little cable from the mobo to the gpu card

[19:32:32]

esperegu:

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esperegu:

or is it not a good signal and snr?

[19:34:56]

Pluribus:

Yes, GT-220 does pass audio over HDMI. Depending on your distro you MAY have to upgrade the ALSA drivers... The code for passing audio with that card is fairly new.

[19:36:59]

Pluribus:

esperegu: Hmm, To me I would think so, but I really dont know the range and reporting scale of that message.

[19:38:07]

Pluribus:

BUT the thing to remember is higher signal and snr doesnt always indicated better picture quality.

[19:38:16]

Bakefy:

has anyone here used the Dell Hybrid Studio as their frontend?

[19:38:35]

wagnerrp:

i think iamlindoro uses one

[19:38:53]

wagnerrp:

or at least have in the past

[19:38:53]

Bakefy:

if you have the bluray one, can it play?

[19:39:02]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv cannot play bluray

[19:39:23]

Bakefy:

can it rip it?

[19:39:26]

wagnerrp:

it supports unencrypted discs and ISOs, but not encrypted retail ones

[19:39:35]

wagnerrp:

nor does it provide any form of decryption

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Bakefy:

okay

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** haffe curses. **

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haffe:

Why bother with all this DVB-stuff, why not IPtv at once?

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esperegu:

Pluribus: yeah. me neither. It look ok I think on most channels but BBC HD gives a lot of distortion

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justinh:

haffe: what – and do away with any control end users might want once & for all? :-O

[20:00:24]

justinh:

iptv doesn't necessarily mean being able to do what you want with what you pay for

[20:00:26]

haffe:

Could you elaborate on that?

[20:00:42]

justinh:

they can shove as much propriatary crap as they want at you with iptv

[20:00:53]

justinh:

just like with everything else

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haffe:

Ok.

[20:01:12]

haffe:

I don't think we are talking about the same thing, or are we?

[20:01:17]

justinh:

what I mean is, IPTV isn't OPEN by definition. some providers are. others are not

[20:01:32]

haffe:

I am simply talking about using TCP to transmitt video, instead of using airwaves.

[20:01:46]

justinh:

yeah that's what IPTV is

[20:02:23]

justinh:

if the broadcasters hadn't bothered with DVB, they could have given your country totally locked down propriatary junk over IP instead

[20:03:51]

justinh:

we've a couple of IPTV providers in the UK. You get a set top box to access it. That's it. No using it on your home network. No recording it, and you pay for everything

[20:04:04]

haffe:

Not a good implementation.

[20:04:16]

haffe:

I guess it's just as well I don't watch much tv now a days.

[20:04:19]

justinh:

no, but it points out that IPTV isn't the great white hope

[20:04:43]

haffe:

Guess so.

[20:04:45]

justinh:

it certainly isn't the answer to viewers' prayers

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justinh:

remember the big hoo-ha about cablecard? ;-)

[20:09:44]

haffe:

No.

[20:10:31]

Beirdo:

Mmmm, coffee

[20:10:32]

justinh:

everybody said "yay, at last a way to get pay tv into our computers". Then when everyone woke up... "oh. wth is the point?"

[20:10:46]

haffe:

Oh well.

[20:10:53]

wagnerrp:

haffe: cablecard was a technology released in north america, that was supposed to allow consumers to buy their own device to access encrypted digital cable

[20:11:04]

haffe:

Yes.

[20:11:21]

justinh:

in the end it turned out to be yet another obsfurcated load of junk

[20:11:27]

wagnerrp:

fcc required providers support it, and even go so far as to mandate their own hardware use it, in an attempt to force its uptake

[20:11:32]

justinh:

just like CI+ will be in europe

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wagnerrp:

several years later, and there had only been a handful of devices that could actually use it

[20:12:05]

justinh:

if anything, in future I think we have even less digital freedom to look forward to

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wagnerrp:

because 'Cable Labs' put such draconian restrictions on licensing, and required such a high price to get a device certified to use

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Beirdo:

Oh give me a break!

[20:23:49]

Beirdo:

Mariners/Angels game is subject to a national blackout

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wagnerrp:

national blackout?

[20:24:00]

Beirdo:

I'm in Seattle, jerks...

[20:24:02]

Beirdo:

yeah

[20:24:06]

Beirdo:

for mlb.tv

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wagnerrp:

i thought those were only regional

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Beirdo:

me too

[20:24:38]

Beirdo:

I wanted to watch it

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Beirdo:

the game is like a mile or so from me.... why is it blacked out?

[20:25:58]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: because you should be in the stadium?

[20:26:01]

Beirdo:

I can watch Tampa Bay at Texas...

[20:26:05]

Beirdo:

but not the local game

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Beirdo:

oooh, and a local MLS game at 7:30pm PDT

[20:29:36]

Beirdo:

New England Revolution at Seattle Sounders FC

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Beirdo:

crap. it's not televised at all... not even MLB Extra Innings has it

[20:30:58]

Beirdo:

so I guess I'll watch something else

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: AndyCap is exactly right

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wagnerrp:

the blackouts are in the region the game is being played, if the game was not sold out

[20:31:36]

wagnerrp:

watching the game on tv is only for those who couldnt get tickets

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Beirdo:

it's blacked out completely

[20:31:45]

Beirdo:

it's not televised

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wagnerrp:

anywhere? or in your city?

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Beirdo:

MLB Extra Innings doesn't do blackouts that I know of

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Beirdo:

doesn't seem to be televised anywhere

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wagnerrp:

seems ive got milwaukee at st. louis on tv

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wagnerrp:

and.... college rugby???

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont know how they decide what to air, considering on any given day, half the teams are playing?

[20:34:46]

wagnerrp:

i imagine they can only get two, maybe three non-overlapping games in a day

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Beirdo:

yeah, pretty much

[20:35:13]

Beirdo:

but if you pay extra, you can get em all

[20:35:18]

Beirdo:

(of course)

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Beirdo:

assuming it's televised at all

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wagnerrp:

i know i want to watch all 8500hrs of baseball every year

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Beirdo:

heh, there are people who do

[20:37:03]

wagnerrp:

cram sleeping and eating into that one remaining hour every day

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Beirdo:

nah, the games are only at a few distinct times, and you'd need good PIP or several TVs to do it justice

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edman007:

anyone have an SA 8300HD and got the channel changing working over firewire?

[20:40:20]

edman007:

I have tried two versions of an app to change, but the working one hard locks my computer about 30% of the time...

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** wagnerrp kindly requests iamlindoro stop flooding the channel with these rejoins all day long **

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wagnerrp:

:P

[20:42:40]

iamlindoro:

believe me, if I had any choice in the matter...

[20:42:50]

wagnerrp:

squirrels chewing on the lines somewhere down the road?

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edman007:

iamlindoro, what is dropping>

[20:43:19]

iamlindoro:

for the past 7 days, the connection has gone out between 12:45 and 1 PM, like clockwork

[20:43:54]

wagnerrp:

or 12:42

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edman007:

iamlindoro, cable modem? check the transmit power level...if it is over ~53dBmV then you have a crappy connection

[20:45:02]

edman007:

they usually max out at 54/55, so those numbers mean the modem hit its limit

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wagnerrp:

while you were away.... weve had wiki spam!

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** Beirdo spams wagnerrp **

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iamlindoro:

fixed

[20:46:08]

wagnerrp:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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Beirdo:

dang, coffee's good stuff

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** kormoc just noticed a mythweb on nginx wiki page and wonders why **

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iamlindoro:

for great justice

[20:48:53]

wagnerrp:

apache is to bloated and slow

[20:49:13]

wagnerrp:

i just cant stand those dozen daemons running on my machine and sucking down a total of 40MB of memory

[20:49:31]

wagnerrp:

it causes a great hardship on my brand new VIA

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kormoc:

editing a config file and reducing that dozen down must be such a pain, no wonder it's easier to compile multiple layers of servers and abstractions and spit n chickenwire to get 10 megs of ram back!

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wagnerrp:

dont CGI implementations suck down far more time than embedded interpreters like the php-apache module?

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kormoc:

Sure do

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kormoc:

and increase memory cost during rendering as it has to pass data back and forth

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AndyCap:

These people probably don't keep track of anything other than what the snapshot from ps gives them. :P

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Beirdo:

yeah, they just think apache's bad, mmkay?

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wagnerrp_:

oof...

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

in mythweb if I try to stream a recording it says "An unknown modlue was specified" (I am using myth 0.23-fixes)

[21:02:43]

kormoc:

check you apache error logs

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pyther:

I'm using lighttpd

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kormoc:

Welp, you'll need to setup perl as a fastcgi module then and port over the mod_rewrite rules to work correctly for it

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wagnerrp:

heh... what appropriate timing...

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kormoc:

which is why officially we don't support anything other then apache and mod_php

[21:04:14]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, really

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pyther:

kormoc: is there a good guide to doing that?

[21:04:38]

kormoc:

not that I know of

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wagnerrp:

using apache and mod_php?

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pyther:

no lighttpd

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

17:04 <+kormoc> which is why officially we don't support anything other then apache and mod_php

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** Pluribus shrugs at the ram apache requires... My backend has a ton of ram for caching, who cares about 40MB of ram out of 16GB. **

[21:14:09]

Pluribus:

if you cant spare a few MB of ram, how do you run a backend?

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sid3windr:

"barely"

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Pluribus:

LOL, ok, I will buy that :-)

[21:15:08]

wagnerrp:

Pluribus: thats the general point

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wagnerrp:

if you cant manage to run apache, youve got bigger problems

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Pluribus:

Cool, Looks like I have to re-encode one of my videos... ffmpeg hangs trying to detect what kind of video it is... oddly vlc plays it just fine.

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justinh:

hmmm. wonder if there's anything like squeezeplay for mpd

[21:20:04]

Pluribus:

Read that as FFMPEG hangs when reading it, as mythfrontend hangs when try and play it. Does anyone know what would be a good command line equivilant to what mythfrontend does for ffmpeg? (I have a few issues I want to report upstream from jya.)

[21:20:52]

wagnerrp:

ffplay?

[21:21:28]

Pluribus:

Thier page trys to disuade ffplay reports (seems they prefer ffmpeg command line better)

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg does not play video, it only processes it

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wagnerrp:

ffplay is their video player wrapper using the libav* libraries

[21:22:36]

Pluribus:

correct. but there is likely a command line set that excersizes similar codepaths up until myth/ffplay would render the picture/audio

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justinh:

blech. people moan about mythmusic... http://trac2.assembla.com/pkaudio/wiki/pkstereo

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Pluribus:

that is what I was hoping for.

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wagnerrp:

throw a bunch of '-vvvvv' on to get more verbosity to ffmpeg?

[21:23:52]

justinh:

and http://www.spida.net/projects/software/pympdt . . . ndex.en.html ... eeew!

[21:24:04]

kormoc:

Incomming!

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wagnerrp:

just what are those 'X's

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** justinh readies the trout **

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con-man:

does mythtv work with a ps3?

[21:24:44]

wagnerrp:

oh, remove the item from the playlist....

[21:24:45]

con-man:

and, is there a 64 bit debian avail?

[21:24:57]

wagnerrp:

con-man: yes, mythtv can stream to the ps3 over UPNP

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sid3windr:

a 64 bit debian avail !

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wagnerrp:

con-man: yes, debian is available in 64-bit

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Pluribus:

Ok, let me start over... I am VERY much ffmpeg newbie. I get the upping verbosity, but ffmpeg has more command line options than I thought would be possible for any unix tool.

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justinh:

lol

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con-man:

wagnerrp, link? would be much appreciated

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justinh:

Pluribus: yeah and they change as often as their devs change their socks

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sid3windr:

con-man: www.debian.org

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Pluribus:

it is damn dear the annoyance of the VMS set command.

[21:25:44]

Pluribus:

lol

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justinh:

Pluribus: I'm not kidding I'm afraid

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wagnerrp:

con-man: follow sid3windr's link, we dont distribute debian around here

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Pluribus:

justinh, I believe you. I have been watching the subversion for it.

[21:27:03]

justinh:

weheheheheh. got this squeezeplay thing running on my joggler, paused & it's scrolling the title. 2% CPU. Eat that xbmc

[21:27:26]

Beirdo:

eat THIS, xbmc

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo! put that away!

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Beirdo:

awww

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justinh:

and this is without hardware gl rendering lol

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sid3windr:

lol

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

where can you get this joggler thingy

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ugliefrog:

i have mythtv installed i have the correct drivers for my Hauppauge_HVR-1600 installed. when i hit watch tv it says please wait then returns to menu....im running ubuntu 10.04

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wagnerrp:

england

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justinh:

sid3windr: o2.co.uk – in their shop.. if you can find it

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wagnerrp:

ugliefrog: check your backend logs as to why the recording failed

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sid3windr:

I'm going to london on monday

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

sid3windr: and ebay

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justinh:

I need at least one more of them

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ugliefrog:

wagnerrp, is the log in the myth dir

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sid3windr:

so I guess I need to locate an o2 store? :P

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sid3windr:

and go OHAI JOGGLER PLZ

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wagnerrp:

justinh: wtf is with the onscreen keyboard on that spida program?

[21:29:54]

wagnerrp:

the 'Y' and 'Z' are arbitrarily swapped

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justinh:

was gonna do whole house audio over cat5, diy circuits etc.. 4 stereo continuous feeds & switch locally to the amp.. but nah. screw that

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wagnerrp:

is that some other country's layout?

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sid3windr:

germany does kezboards

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wagnerrp:

ugliefrog: often in /var/log/mythtv/

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sid3windr:

ie qwertzu

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sid3windr:

as does switzerland

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justinh:

hehe didn't notice that

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wagnerrp:

really...

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AndyCap:

shipping, 50 pounds, hah.

[21:30:38]

justinh:

used azerty before.. oh man

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sid3windr:

azerty rocks.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: looks Germanish

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** sid3windr is typing azerty now ;) **

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wagnerrp:

ive heard of azerty before... but not qwertzu

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justinh:

AndyCap: for £50 I'd fly one to you myself

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sid3windr:

[21:31:29]

** Beirdo yawns **

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justinh:

sid3windr: yeah

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justinh:

http://yourfamily.o2.co.uk/o2familyjoggler/

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AndyCap:

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ugliefrog:

is this the problem? No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

[21:31:49]

ugliefrog:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: of course that was 20 years ago

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sid3windr:

cool

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justinh:

heh out of stock. quel surprise

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sid3windr:

let's see if I can find a shop

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wagnerrp:

ugliefrog: are you running a backend?

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sid3windr:

while there

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sid3windr:

:p

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wagnerrp:

did you set up the backend?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: more like 6 months ago. :P

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sid3windr:

arghl, I need pounds

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ugliefrog:

wagnerrp, yes....it has to close everytime i go into mythtv-setup

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AndyCap:

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justinh:

so... seems like I'll be using audio on my backend after all :)

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justinh:

hmmm. wonder what else can be hacked into being a squeeze client

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justinh:

mythmusic, I hope :D

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iamlindoro:

you and d-bin can compare notes

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justinh:

he still around? I'd rather hoped somebody would've scared him off

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iamlindoro:

try as we might

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wagnerrp:

hes been threatened on several occasions

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wagnerrp:

apparently theres a ban-on-site order if he ever finds another perfect mythtv frontend

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justinh:

mythfrontend actually does rock on the joggler but for one thing. no touchscreen support during playback :)

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justinh:

apparently somebody has written a flash thing to go over the top of it. bleh

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justinh:

it's the kind of 'hacking' I like though, with the joggler. just make a usb stick & away you go. no soldering

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justinh:

crap. so much more editing on this theme to do

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achew22:

Has anyone gotten the error "Cannot access private property MythFrontend::$connected" from mythweb?

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justinh:

man, how does anybody have the resolve to do a theme? :O

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kormoc:

Drugs and alcohol?

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justinh:

hmmm

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justinh:

definitely should've had a battle plan before starting this odyssey

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iamlindoro:

Plans are for cowards, and women!

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justinh:

also for people who want to finish this year ;)

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justinh:

it's my own fault. because I've been ignoring stuff in base.xml it's coming back to bite me

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justinh:

heh. inheritance tax

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Azelphur:

Hey, using mythweb and mythvideo on mythbuntu, Alot of my videos seem to be missing

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Azelphur:

some show, but the vast majority don't

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Azelphur:

looking at it, I have 3 directories at top level, Movies, Music and TV, everything inside Movies and Music shows, TV seems completely empty

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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pyther:

I have a recording that conflicts by 1 minute, is there anyway I can tell it to start late by a minute?

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: 0.23 I believe

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achew22:

pyther: Yes. If you go to the recording schedule it should have the ability to start late by any amount you want (in minutes)

[23:35:01]

pyther:

achew22: I see start early, end late

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: 0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2

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pyther:

can I set a negative value in start early?

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achew22:

pyther: so make it start early by -1

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wagnerrp:

pyther: yes

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: are you using storage groups?

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pyther:

perfect

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: I don't really know what they are so I'll go with no

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Azelphur:

I'm just slinging everything in the videos folder and scanning for changes

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wagnerrp:

mythweb requires storage groups for videos

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Azelphur:

oh

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pyther:

wagnerrp: btw thanks for the tip about setting the recordings to any channel. I switched my channel numbers to using '.' instead of '_'

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: how would I put the videos into groups?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Storage_Groups

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: I think that's what I'm already doing, that's the default in mythtv

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Azelphur:

all the locations are set, and when I add videos I scan for changes, and I manually do the metadata

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Azelphur:

and it works fine on all the frontends, just not in mythweb

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pyther:

How well does the windows mythfrontend work?

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: just looked inside the media library and when I go into a subfolder, the first folder to go up is "Storage Groups", so I must be using storage groups

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Azelphur:

and yea, all the frontends work, just all my tv shows are missing from mythweb :(

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tgm4883:

Does Video card memory speed matter in regards to VDPAU?

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tgm4883:

I'm looking to upgrade my card to a nvidia 210. I've found 2, one with DDR2 and one with DDR3. About $10 in price difference

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