| Wednesday, June 2nd, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
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| [00:04:05] | jya: | skd5aner: I'm not sure what "officially" means really ; everything in myth has always been a best case effort. Pulse works much better than it used it ; av-sync is *much* better than it used to be ; there is still a delay , but at least it's constant... Would need to implement the ability to save the time delay per channel and I think it would be fine for most... |
| [00:04:34] | jya: | there are still issues in pulse itself ; like the issue people have reported that you pause or seek, then you get static |
| [00:05:19] | jya: | the bug seems to be in the default resampler code.. Changing the default sampling rate from 44.1kHz to 48kHz seem to works for everyone |
| [00:08:14] | tweek__: | according to who you ask, pulse is already supported |
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| [00:08:39] | tweek__: | rpmfusion's package for mythtv has a pulseaudio output option, and it works great ... for analog video anyway |
| [00:08:42] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: and who would claim that? |
| [00:09:02] | wagnerrp: | the existing 'support' in trunk is merely the ability to disable it and hit ALSA directly |
| [00:09:19] | wagnerrp: | anything more than that is something you shouldnt have been doing |
| [00:09:31] | tweek__: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora#Sound_setup |
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| [00:10:05] | tweek__: | and it doesn't seem to be disabling pulseaudio, pulseaudio has direct control of the sound coming from mythtv |
| [00:10:09] | wagnerrp: | uh huh... and mythtv 'works with pulseaudio' by disabling it |
| [00:10:20] | wagnerrp: | for the duration that mythfrontend is active |
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| [00:10:56] | tweek__: | if pulseaudio is disabled that's news to the rest of the audio applications running on fedora that use it while mythfrontend is up |
| [00:11:00] | tweek__: | maybe they have some sort of patch |
| [00:11:14] | green_d44: | Hi, I was told to ask here if I have video capture questions — I need to find a video/audio capture card similar to this one – http://www.provantage.com/ads-technologies-us . . . 7ADST055.htm – that will work out of the box on Ubuntu. It needs to be under $75. I just want to record video/audio from my Xbox 360, I don't need anything too fancy. Any suggestions? |
| [00:12:07] | tweek__: | analog capture cards are going to be out of date rather quickly, because everything's broadcast in digital aside from some cable TV stations these days |
| [00:12:24] | tweek__: | that thing doesn't even really have a tuner |
| [00:12:37] | wagnerrp: | tweek__: that doesnt mean mythtv is capable of using digital capture at all times |
| [00:13:09] | wagnerrp: | green_d44: you want a PVR-150 or 500 |
| [00:13:28] | wagnerrp: | you can pick them up for ~$20 on ebay (double for the 500) |
| [00:13:29] | green_d44: | can that record video and audio through RCA/HDMI? |
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| [00:13:43] | wagnerrp: | composite (RCA) and svideo, yes |
| [00:13:53] | wagnerrp: | nothing can record anything worthwhile off HDMI |
| [00:14:01] | tweek__: | you will not generally find something that can capture HDMI and output it to whatever, the whole point of HDMI is to prevent that stuff |
| [00:14:15] | wagnerrp: | no, the whole point of HDCP is to prevent that stuff |
| [00:14:25] | wagnerrp: | there are a handful of devices that will capture HDMI |
| [00:14:29] | wagnerrp: | but none of them will do HDCP |
| [00:14:49] | green_d44: | I was looking at hauppage cards earlier, but I heard that many of them can't record audio. I need to have audio recording, otherwise having a capture card is somewhat pointless |
| [00:15:12] | tweek__: | pvr-150 / 250 / 350 will have audio support |
| [00:15:17] | green_d44: | If I'm going to have to worry about HDCP, composite is fine. |
| [00:15:18] | tweek__: | even in freebsd I believe |
| [00:15:35] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge makes a couple capture cards for closed circuit security systems that may not support audio |
| [00:15:44] | wagnerrp: | but the 150 and 500 will support audio just fine |
| [00:15:50] | wagnerrp: | you dont want a 250/350 |
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| [00:16:04] | green_d44: | What software do I need to use to capture the video/audio once I get the card? |
| [00:16:16] | green_d44: | (In Linux, that is) |
| [00:16:27] | tweek__: | support for the pvr150 and so on is already in the linux kernel |
| [00:16:36] | wagnerrp: | 'cat' |
| [00:16:58] | wagnerrp: | the PVR cards will show up as '/dev/video0' |
| [00:17:11] | tweek__: | pick any number of TV viewers (tvtime, xawtv, mythtv, etc.) once you have /dev/video* working |
| [00:17:21] | wagnerrp: | 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg' will output an mpeg stream ready to use |
| [00:17:38] | wagnerrp: | v4l2_ctl will let you adjust the bitrate and quality of the output |
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| [00:17:48] | wagnerrp: | as well as select the capture input you wan tto use |
| [00:17:57] | green_d44: | What are the differences between the PVR models? Will the 150 do everything I need, or are the 250/350 preferrable? |
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| [00:18:14] | tweek__: | he said 150, probably a good reason for that |
| [00:18:41] | wagnerrp: | the 500 basically has two 150s on a single board |
| [00:18:52] | wagnerrp: | the 250 and 350 are much older, dont worry about those |
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| [00:22:48] | green_d44: | Thanks for the help! I just opened up my PC case, and I have an extra PCI slot in my Dell — the 150 seems to be exactly what I need! Thanks! :) |
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| [00:24:44] | Kazan: | so.. when i adjust the volume in mythtv w/ it set to ALSA:surround51 why is master turning up but surround,center and lfe turning down |
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| [00:24:49] | Kazan: | not in equal proportion either |
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| [00:35:35] | tweek__: | where in the MythTV database can I find the episode / season numbers for recordings? |
| [00:35:58] | iamlindoro: | You cannot, since no such information is available/stored |
| [00:36:11] | tweek__: | or failing that, something I can join against some other database to get it, that isn't merely series name / episode title |
| [00:36:35] | tweek__: | EP002960010116 <--- these IDs -have- to be significant somehow |
| [00:36:42] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [00:36:54] | wagnerrp: | just what schedules direct gives us |
| [00:37:40] | tweek__: | ah well, I can live without em |
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| [00:44:45] | NightMonkey: | Hrm. How does Program Details figure out episode #? |
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| [00:47:21] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt |
| [00:47:36] | wagnerrp: | recordings have no episode number |
| [00:47:55] | wagnerrp: | there is a value given by the listings provider that may include the season and episode number |
| [00:48:03] | wagnerrp: | but it should be considered completely arbitrary |
| [00:48:16] | wagnerrp: | not good for anything other than duplicate matching |
| [00:49:01] | Kazan: | gawd the people in #pulseaudio are freaking dense |
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| [01:24:21] | iamlindoro: | mwah... mwahhhhaahahaha.... MWWAHAHAHAAHAH http://www.fecitfacta.com/autometa.ogv |
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| [01:59:12] | iamlindoro: | Ah, or perhaps better since most browsers will actually play it inline: http://www.fecitfacta.com/autometa.ogg |
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| [02:28:55] | wagnerrp: | bleh... trying to figure out why my calls to the xml server arent working |
| [02:29:00] | wagnerrp: | im hitting my -fixes backend |
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| [03:10:18] | Kazan: | mythtv suspends pulse, right? |
| [03:11:05] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:12:06] | Kazan: | k |
| [03:12:17] | Kazan: | in mythtv i get perfect audio right now |
| [03:12:28] | Kazan: | outside of mythtv i get a high pitched background squeel |
| [03:13:46] | Kazan: | bad thing is mythtv's volume slider isn't bein very effective |
| [03:14:15] | Kazan: | intersting.. alsamixer shows it adjustin the wrong channel |
| [03:14:22] | Kazan: | i've told it to use "Master" but its adjusting "Front" |
| [03:16:46] | Kazan: | trying to tell mythtv to use the PCM as its master volume makes the volume controls completely ineffective |
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| [03:23:06] | RyeBrye: | y |
| [03:23:16] | RyeBrye: | woops, wrong window |
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| [03:24:18] | DerekCB: | can some one please help me |
| [03:24:26] | DerekCB: | I have the HTC HERO |
| [03:24:52] | DerekCB: | ? |
| [03:25:10] | Kazan: | that's a phone |
| [03:25:13] | Kazan: | this isn't a phone channel... |
| [03:25:32] | wagnerrp: | we cant help anyone who doesnt explain their problem |
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| [03:26:55] | DerekCB: | i am trying to hook my htc hero to the computer using internet share and i keep getting a error 67 code i just spend 20 mins on the phone with some dumb a** Bit** who couldnt evern talk ( she was like wispering) |
| [03:27:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah... thats out of our purview |
| [03:27:23] | wagnerrp: | we support mythtv only |
| [03:27:31] | DerekCB: | anyone know a chat room here that can help |
| [03:27:47] | wagnerrp: | ##htc? |
| [03:27:49] | DerekCB: | whats mythtv? |
| [03:27:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is mythtv, see the topic |
| [03:28:13] | wagnerrp: | why did you choose here to ask a question, if you had no idea what it was? |
| [03:28:19] | [R]: | ROFL |
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| [03:29:46] | ** wagnerrp goes off to #apache for answers about feminine hygiene ** | |
| [03:29:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean indians know about such things dont they? |
| [03:30:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:30:12] | Kazan: | lol wagnerrp |
| [03:30:50] | wagnerrp: | what with the indian hair tampons and all... |
| [03:32:14] | Shadow__X: | isnt there a script that monitors if mythfrontend is running and if it isnt it automatically starts it |
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| [03:33:05] | [R]: | you need a script for that? |
| [03:33:13] | [R]: | while true; do mythfrontend; done... thats all i need |
| [03:33:20] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login |
| [03:33:25] | wagnerrp: | [R]: thats what we call a script |
| [03:33:28] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:33:35] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [03:33:36] | [R]: | it doesnt monitor if itts running though |
| [03:33:37] | [R]: | it starts it |
| [03:34:18] | high-rez: | do { `/usr/local/bin/mythbackend'; } while(1); ? |
| [03:34:45] | wagnerrp: | frontend |
| [03:35:02] | high-rez: | change backend to frontend and put the script in your xinitrc ;) |
| [03:35:25] | [R]: | what shell syntax is that? |
| [03:35:32] | wagnerrp: | bash |
| [03:35:36] | wagnerrp: | do...while loop |
| [03:35:44] | high-rez: | or even perl |
| [03:36:03] | [R]: | bash has do while? |
| [03:36:06] | [R]: | what will they think of next |
| [03:36:31] | wagnerrp: | i thought it did |
| [03:36:44] | [R]: | i've never heard of such a thing |
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| [03:37:24] | high-rez: | bash even has auto complete. |
| [03:37:30] | wagnerrp: | i used something a while back that has a do...while |
| [03:37:32] | Shadow__X: | the reason why i asked is because if i build a mythtv setup for someone i would want it to handle mythfrontend crashes as it happens every once in awhile especially with some recorddings |
| [03:37:36] | wagnerrp: | and it wasnt perl |
| [03:38:20] | wagnerrp: | what did i use that had do...while |
| [03:38:50] | wagnerrp: | php has one, but i dont think thats what i was thinking of |
| [03:39:13] | wagnerrp: | although the above is _almost_ php syntax |
| [03:39:42] | high-rez: | Shadow__X: A do/while script will do what you want while you want it. |
| [03:40:06] | ** wagnerrp prefers the inittab approach ** | |
| [03:40:08] | [R]: | oooo |
| [03:40:10] | [R]: | shell script in php |
| [03:40:12] | [R]: | i love it |
| [03:42:35] | Shadow__X: | thanks guys |
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| [03:47:31] | feed_me_seymour: | Good evening... anyone have a moment to answer a quick lirc question pertaining to the PS3 BD remote? |
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| [04:15:35] | squidly: | hmm.. doing a change to my scheduled direct lineup does not change the channels in myth (ie I added a couple of channels) |
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| [04:17:48] | [R]: | theres an option to mythfilldatabase to do it |
| [04:18:33] | squidly: | ahh got it |
| [04:18:46] | squidly: | yea for some reason I could not get it with the mythfill database from the setup |
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| [04:20:23] | Kazan: | its amazing how many problems stripping Pulse off a system will fix :D |
| [04:23:09] | squidly: | Kazan: lol |
| [04:23:19] | Kazan: | i'm not kidding |
| [04:23:33] | squidly: | Kazan: I know.. I strip pulse out of all my boxen as well |
| [04:23:41] | Kazan: | the volume controls in mythfrontend weren't working right, in any application other than mythtv there was a high pitched squeel in the background, etc |
| [04:23:44] | squidly: | save my work one.. but then I dont care about sound there really |
| [04:23:47] | Kazan: | stripped out pulse, everything magically works |
| [04:24:03] | Kazan: | oh.. and Hulu Desktop = win |
| [04:24:19] | Kazan: | good job on hulu actually making a linux edition |
| [04:24:46] | squidly: | oh nice |
| [04:25:05] | squidly: | now if only we can get that integrated with myth |
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| [04:25:54] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [04:26:47] | squidly: | wagnerrp: because I'm lazy and would like to use hulu to myth as well |
| [04:27:05] | squidly: | wagnerrp: i'm mostly kidding.. I know it wont really happen |
| [04:27:21] | squidly: | i just would like it for my fiancee's reality tv junk |
| [04:27:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean... 'why do you need to use hulu desktop' |
| [04:28:15] | wagnerrp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tent/hulu.py |
| [04:28:45] | squidly: | wagnerrp: oh sweet |
| [04:30:19] | squidly: | wagnerrp: I thought there was something like that before.. but anywho I guess I'm just tired |
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| [04:35:08] | jya: | wagnerrp: your statement about pulse support in myth is now completely outdated ; pulseaudio output code was completely rewritten, and is mostly working fine with pulse |
| [04:36:00] | wagnerrp: | in trunk, yes... the user was still on 0.23 |
| [04:36:15] | Kazan: | yup. i'm running stable |
| [04:36:26] | Kazan: | WAF drops preciptously when you run trunk :D |
| [04:36:44] | wagnerrp: | it really hasnt been too bad the past two cycles |
| [04:36:55] | jya: | Kazan: mythtv suspends pulse, only if you are using an audio device different to Pulse:... or ALSA:pulse |
| [04:37:22] | Kazan: | well i've removed pulse from my system entirely (yum remove'd) |
| [04:37:28] | Kazan: | and magically all my troubles disapeared! |
| [04:37:51] | jya: | wagnerrp: your comment above was about trunk... you wrote "the existing 'support' in trunk is merely the ability to disable it and hit ALSA directly" |
| [04:38:07] | jya: | which is completely incorrect now... and even in 0.23 is so |
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| [04:38:26] | jya: | 0.23 has a pulse output support, pretty crap one, but still there, and pulse server isn't suspended then |
| [04:38:44] | wagnerrp: | ah, if i did say trunk, i meant -fixes |
| [04:39:06] | jya: | would be accurate with 0.22-fixes :) |
| [04:39:41] | jya: | Kazan: Master adjusts "front" |
| [04:39:51] | jya: | and only front on most system unfortunately... |
| [04:39:55] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 will use trunk? i thought you had to specify that 'EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE' or something environmental variable to prevent it from being halted |
| [04:40:24] | jya: | wagnerrp: in 0.23 EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE, prevents suspending the pulse server |
| [04:40:41] | jya: | so myth would be using pulse ALSA support |
| [04:40:54] | jya: | it looks like alsa, it smells like alsa, but really, it's pulse :) |
| [04:41:17] | jya: | but there is a PULSE:default available in the output settings |
| [04:41:23] | jya: | which uses the native pulse output |
| [04:41:43] | jya: | but it's pretty bad, incorrect use of the APIs which cause massive A/V sync issues |
| [04:42:02] | Kazan: | when i removed pulse "Master" in myth started altering "Master" in alsamixer |
| [04:42:21] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was less of 'support' and more of 'well let you run mythtv with horrible a/v sync if you really want' |
| [04:42:25] | jya: | Kazan: what you wrote doesn't make sense |
| [04:42:43] | jya: | wagnerrp: yes, that's if you use ALSA:blah |
| [04:42:54] | jya: | if the pulse server is running |
| [04:43:07] | jya: | then while myth thinks it's using the alsa APIs |
| [04:43:22] | jya: | in fact it's using the pulse ALSA compatibility layer |
| [04:43:32] | jya: | pretty aweful |
| [04:43:34] | Kazan: | jya: when pulseaudio was installed on my system, and i had mythfrontend set to use the "Master" mixer channel for volume control, it would adjust "Front" not "Master" (according to alsamixer) |
| [04:43:50] | Kazan: | when i "yum remove"'d pulse it started using "Master" as it was told |
| [04:44:19] | jya: | Kazan: because when you have pulse running, you are using their ALSA compatibility layer, and not alsa |
| [04:44:33] | Kazan: | yeah |
| [04:44:42] | Kazan: | i also saw a small decrease in CPU utilization, that was expected |
| [04:44:44] | jya: | so in 0.23, you can. |
| [04:45:14] | jya: | use ALSA, OSS natively, and this will suspend pulse if it's running |
| [04:45:36] | Kazan: | or you can just yum remove pulseaudio :D |
| [04:45:37] | jya: | or use ALSA/oss compatibility layer, with pulse running if you set EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE |
| [04:46:10] | jya: | or use pulse natively by using Pulse:default in the audio settings |
| [04:46:28] | jya: | in trunk, it currently is exactly the same as 0.23 |
| [04:46:52] | jya: | except that the Pulse native code got rewritten, and is now working properly |
| [04:47:25] | jya: | but in all other cases, it behaves like 0.23 (e.g. suspends pulse or not) |
| [04:47:57] | jya: | but yeah, if your system is exclusively for mythtv, there's absolutely no incentive to use pulse |
| [04:48:35] | jya: | pulse only makes sense if you would be running other piece of software producing sound, and you want all to work at the same time |
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| [04:49:15] | jya: | pulse opens the audio card in one way, and this never changes... Myth and ALSA, will open the audio card depending on what you are playing, and let you enjoy HD codec |
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| [05:45:47] | aliby: | Any idea why mythvideo would start to play a video but then just sit there and do nothing? |
| [05:46:01] | aliby: | (like the video is paused when it really isnt)? |
| [05:47:05] | [R]: | anything on the frontend output? |
| [05:47:48] | aliby: | Let me look |
| [05:50:58] | aliby: | [R] – http://aliby.privatepaste.com/ff349d9a46 |
| [05:51:20] | [R]: | thats mplayer |
| [05:51:29] | [R]: | if mplayer is having problems, you need to fix mplayer |
| [05:51:33] | aliby: | Ok |
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| [05:58:48] | aliby: | [R] – fixed by switching to internal player. Thanks for the help |
| [06:02:58] | k-man: | apparantly, some media playing devices have this feature where, for instance, on your pc/mac/noteboot/iphone or whatever device, you look at a video then you have an option to "view on the media player" and it plays it on your TV. even the ps3 has something like that apparantly – it would be cool to come up with a way for mythtv to do the same thing |
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| [06:13:53] | oobe: | k-man, mythtv is already specifically designed to play media on the tv |
| [06:14:00] | oobe: | its name implies this |
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| [06:15:04] | iamlindoro: | not to mention Myth already has exactly that functionality in MythWeb |
| [06:15:18] | k-man: | oobe: of course i know that – the feature i am suggesting is providing a way to, select a video on your PC and easily get it to play on your TV via mythtv |
| [06:15:27] | iamlindoro: | already doable... |
| [06:15:34] | k-man: | iamlindoro: ok, i'm not familiar with that |
| [06:15:47] | iamlindoro: | "Play Recording on Frontend" in the recording detail screen in mythweb |
| [06:16:03] | k-man: | iamlindoro: oh that's very cool, didn't know that |
| [06:16:04] | iamlindoro: | which of course presumes you have enabled the network control port for all your frontends, and they are running |
| [06:16:19] | oobe: | yea also telnet interface now supports it iirc |
| [06:16:32] | iamlindoro: | has always supported it |
| [06:16:37] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [06:17:24] | k-man: | but as a more generic case, it would be cool if there was a way to "play" any video file – and also video from web sites like youtube directly from your notebook |
| [06:17:48] | iamlindoro: | and a pony, I presume |
| [06:17:56] | k-man: | a pony? |
| [06:18:03] | iamlindoro: | yes, I assume you'd also like a pony |
| [06:18:52] | oobe: | I want one those things that allows me to travel back and forth in time and teleporting |
| [06:18:59] | iamlindoro: | a tardis |
| [06:20:31] | k-man: | look, i'm not critisising mythtv, i love mythv – i also think its valid to talk about ideas and what would be cool |
| [06:21:08] | k-man: | if you don't like my idea you can just say it doesnt work for you – but there is no need to rubbish it |
| [06:21:30] | iamlindoro: | k-man, We have an excess of idea men, and to be honest the listing of nice-to-haves without knowhow to make it happen, or willingness to learn is exasperating |
| [06:21:55] | iamlindoro: | k-man, Thus our general irritation at people who list off all the things they would love like a christmas list |
| [06:22:10] | k-man: | at what point did i say i was unwilling to learn? and fair enough its exasperating, but this is a general discussion channel, if you find it annoying, just ignore it |
| [06:22:12] | iamlindoro: | Now if you turn up with patches, your ideas become a lot more compelling |
| [06:22:26] | iamlindoro: | Actually, this is a user support channel |
| [06:22:46] | k-man: | so its not for general mythtv related discussion? |
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| [06:23:41] | iamlindoro: | k-man, Just as you get to express whatever wild fanciful idea you may have about how MythTv should blend your socks, I get to express why ideas are generally about as useful as a four-headed dog |
| [06:24:01] | k-man: | iamlindoro: regarding patches, i totally understand and agree – but surely some discussion about a possible feature is required before even thinking about patching – as for example, i was unaware of the mythweb feature you pointed out to me |
| [06:24:19] | iamlindoro: | k-man, Which is why you got an answer to that one |
| [06:24:37] | iamlindoro: | k-man, but making up random features that have no technical feasibility whatsoever is another thing |
| [06:25:11] | iamlindoro: | such as "it should... play random videos! Or whatever I tell it to from youtube!" It sounds a lot like the "oooh, shiny!" school of design |
| [06:25:40] | k-man: | iamlindoro: well.... ok, not quite what I mean, but i take your point. |
| [06:26:04] | k-man: | but i'm not sure its entirely impossible |
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| [06:26:51] | iamlindoro: | Anything is possible, but as I said, we have a proponderance of idea men-- and your ideas are taken a lot more serious when you start turning up with code that achieves them |
| [06:27:15] | iamlindoro: | 99 out of 100 people who want to compel us to implement their features are "idea men." We get sick of it |
| [06:27:44] | iamlindoro: | So don't take it as an insult, take it as a challenge-- I'd love to have you implement a neat feature-- if you think I'm wrong and that it's valid, useful, and possible, then put your code where your mouth is ;) |
| [06:28:13] | iamlindoro: | and then the *next* time you have an idea, we start to take you seriously :) |
| [06:28:19] | k-man: | iamlindoro: i hear what you are saying and i understand it, but i just felt a little like rasing an idea that occured to me was not to be done here |
| [06:28:20] | [R]: | iamlindoro: what does your code taste like? mine tastes like cotton candy |
| [06:28:39] | iamlindoro: | tastes like walty shame-tears |
| [06:28:51] | iamlindoro: | er salty |
| [06:28:55] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:29:06] | [R]: | i'm so upset that my first myth patch was like 3 lines |
| [06:29:42] | iamlindoro: | k-man, Again, don't take it as an insult, take it as a challenge-- I am happy to be proven wrong and find that you intend to follow your idea to its conclusion and deliver on it |
| [06:29:59] | k-man: | im not insulted |
| [06:30:23] | iamlindoro: | but if I'm right, and all you want to do is try to convince someone that a new toggle-switch on myth MythBox is something they should implement, then better not to have that discussion at all |
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| [06:31:32] | k-man: | ok, but going back to my original point, all i was trying to say was this concept was cool and had anyone thought of it? seen it or used it on anything? |
| [06:32:06] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [06:32:24] | k-man: | iamlindoro: ok, i vote we stop discussing this now |
| [06:32:29] | iamlindoro: | ooh, me too |
| [06:32:32] | iamlindoro: | the motion passes |
| [06:33:09] | k-man: | how about that weather then? :) |
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| [06:45:14] | k-man: | iamlindoro: fwiw, i'm very slowly working on a minor patch to fix the MythCenter theme on 4:3 |
| [06:52:03] | oobe: | anyone know where i can find win32 binaries for mythfrontend |
| [06:52:10] | oobe: | i seen someone make them before |
| [06:52:33] | oobe: | i just want to install it inside a vm for curiosity sake |
| [06:52:49] | [R]: | curiosity? |
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| [07:01:43] | jya: | finally decided to switch everything to video storage group... |
| [07:02:07] | jya: | in the existing settings of mythtv/mythvideos: should I just make all fields empty? |
| [07:02:11] | [R]: | yup |
| [07:02:14] | jya: | lile "Directories that hold videos" |
| [07:02:24] | jya: | do I just make this field empty? |
| [07:02:32] | [R]: | all of them |
| [07:02:39] | [R]: | they all have storage group equivs |
| [07:03:31] | jya: | ok... the help states "this directory must exist" ; so was ensure if I could just delete it all |
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| [07:05:06] | jya: | hoping this will increase the performance of my frontends over my old setup using NFS |
| [07:05:17] | jya: | damn slow to see all coverart showing up |
| [07:05:27] | jya: | can only scroll about 1–2 per seconds in the list |
| [07:05:56] | justinh: | whoah mythweb has a 'play on frontend' doohickey now? coooooooool. Ahem. if you like that sort of thing :) |
| [07:06:20] | [R]: | justinh: wagnerrp told me its been there for a while |
| [07:06:35] | [R]: | i thought it was awesome when i found it |
| [07:06:43] | justinh: | I've not had a good poke around in mythweb for ages |
| [07:07:35] | justinh: | with the recent improvements I made to my remote config & the other improvements in mythfrontend – not to mention the backend hardware upgrade – I don't really use mythweb much anymore :) |
| [07:07:37] | oobe: | i switched back to network shares after a small amount of time using SGs |
| [07:07:59] | jya: | hum... so much for the hashing of files bit ... all my beautifully crafted metadata is gone :( |
| [07:08:13] | jya: | no more icons , fanart, or metadata |
| [07:09:21] | jya: | hum, hopefully a rescan was all I needed |
| [07:11:43] | jya: | ohhhh, it's all back |
| [07:11:59] | jya: | really cool... didn't take too long to scan my 5TB of data ! |
| [07:12:59] | [R]: | it doesnt scan the data... |
| [07:14:37] | jya: | sure, but it readjusted my database path very quickly |
| [07:14:51] | jya: | so you guys run jamu at night automatically or something ? |
| [07:15:00] | [R]: | i think its supposed to be run from cron |
| [07:15:59] | jya: | that's why I meant by "at night automatically" :) |
| [07:16:53] | [R]: | its in cron.hourly, daily, and weekly in ubuntu |
| [07:18:08] | jya: | what ? can run a cron whenever you want ... |
| [07:18:20] | [R]: | ? |
| [07:18:48] | jya: | crontab -e |
| [07:18:51] | jya: | edit your cront |
| [07:18:56] | jya: | that's it.. |
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| [07:19:17] | justinh: | I found something funky with cron on my latest ubuntu install |
| [07:19:47] | jya: | hum... much faster to display fanart with VS, much faster than via nfs ... |
| [07:19:52] | jya: | very cool |
| [07:20:27] | [R]: | was it not caching them with nfs? |
| [07:20:32] | [R]: | cuz with groups it caches them |
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| [07:21:23] | jya: | not sure what it was doing |
| [07:21:32] | jya: | but going up and down in my backend |
| [07:21:34] | jya: | even locally |
| [07:21:47] | [R]: | ~/.mythtv/themecache |
| [07:21:51] | jya: | could go about 2 entries per second at best |
| [07:21:53] | [R]: | should be caching the fanart and such |
| [07:22:00] | jya: | now it's much faster |
| [07:22:05] | jya: | and that's locally |
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| [07:28:17] | Jay2k1: | heh, i found "play in frontend" in 0.22 already, but it never worked for me |
| [07:28:28] | Jay2k1: | does it work for anyone of you? |
| [07:28:59] | [R]: | works fine for me |
| [07:29:23] | [R]: | is network control enabled in your frontend? |
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| [07:38:07] | justinh: | sigh. removing ffmpeg packages is gonna break SO much :( |
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| [07:39:19] | justinh: | ah what the heck |
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| [07:53:01] | justinh: | gah fricking ffmpeg, changing commandline options again. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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| [08:00:26] | jya: | is the wiki on Jamu still up to date? |
| [08:24:35] | sid3windr: | if a link in the installscript for windows does not work, should I file a real bug about it or just poke someone? |
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| [09:08:38] | justinh: | gah. knew I shouldn't have gone with such a cheap host |
| [09:09:01] | justinh: | name resolution is very very slow at this time of day :-\ |
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| [09:16:33] | justinh: | so... one more try with their tech support & if I get no satisfaction I'll be moving |
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| [09:17:41] | deegan: | What host are you using, i can sell you nameserver hosting. :) |
| [09:17:49] | justinh: | one.com |
| [09:18:02] | justinh: | don't thin kit's just the nameserving at fault |
| [09:18:33] | deegan: | well i work at http://www.space2u.com so if you have a change of heart you can always move your stuff here. :) |
| [09:18:37] | justinh: | they restarted the server yesterday & it solved the problem.. and today boom... it's off again |
| [09:21:27] | justinh: | deegan: oof. too expensive |
| [09:23:12] | justinh: | why do so many hosts charge so much for mysql? It's not that big a hassle is it? |
| [09:23:21] | bjd: | can be |
| [09:23:48] | bjd: | couple of poorly designed tables and badly written queries |
| [09:24:30] | deegan: | how much is much? i never really think of it, i just run everything at home instead the only thing i dont run at home is the DNS which i have here at work instead. |
| [09:24:47] | justinh: | yeah well another day of this & I'll be going back to the host I used to use – £50 a year for php, mysql, 1 Gb/day bandwidth & godknows how much webspace |
| [09:31:49] | justinh: | meh. "we are having problems with that server" |
| [09:32:10] | justinh: | yeah I bet they are |
| [09:33:32] | justinh: | ruh? newtonheathdtc.co.uk resolves to 193.202.110.177 and yet... put that IP address into a browser and... |
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| [09:48:50] | justinh: | well, better get the site ready for moving to a new home. I'm not putting up with this crap |
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| [10:57:04] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Yes the Jamu wiki is up to date. I updated it right after 0.23 was officially released. What are you trying to do? |
| [10:57:40] | jya: | was just trying to configure it to run as a cron and first update all metadata of my files |
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| [11:16:10] | RDV_Linux: | jya: As in Mythbuntu there are three regular cron jobs (-MW) to download TV and Movie images for the Watch Recorded Screen; (-MV) to maintain the metadata in MythVideo for videos that have a reference number (-MJ) A weekly clean up of graphics that are not used anymore. |
| [11:16:45] | jya: | does it get all the info such as the location of the files etc from the myth database? |
| [11:19:34] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Yes for video's already in the DB through a scan but it also reads the local BE video path from the DB and would insert those videos if you use the interactive options (-MI) or (-MR) which finds and inserts the required reference number from TVDB or TMDB. |
| [11:20:18] | jya: | how do you get files in the database? do I manually have to start a scan in mythvideo, or is there an option doing so ? |
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| [11:21:54] | RDV_Linux: | jya: The option (-MR) to load the video with a reference number the do a (-MV) run to download the images and metadata is the best method. |
| [11:22:26] | jya: | allright... So pretty much, I don't have to worry with the jamu.conf and can directly run the 3 various cron job ... |
| [11:23:12] | corrr: | does anyone have a terratec cinergy c or similar? I'm having driver issues in a new lucid install. not really a mythtv issue but I'm not sure where to turn |
| [11:24:04] | RDV_Linux: | jya: That is fair to say. The conf file mainly deals with the language option and bridging gaps between EPG data and the variance in TVDB. Example "V" vs "V (2009)" |
| [11:24:30] | jya: | ok.. just to show that I got it right :) |
| [11:24:37] | jya: | run jamu with -MR first |
| [11:24:42] | jya: | fix the stuff manually |
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| [11:25:13] | jya: | then run -MW and -MV option |
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| [11:25:37] | corrr: | I'm getting this dmesg output: http://dpaste.com/202147/ http://dpaste.com/202148/ |
| [11:25:40] | RDV_Linux: | jya: What are you fixing manually? Yes you have the process correct. |
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| [11:26:07] | jya: | i mean for videos not in the database right now... in case it's doesn't know which title to pick up |
| [11:26:58] | RDV_Linux: | jya: From that I assume manual input of the TVDB or TMDB reference number? |
| [11:27:08] | jya: | nah |
| [11:27:18] | jya: | manual for me is like it doesn't know between A and B |
| [11:27:21] | jya: | so I choose B :) |
| [11:28:34] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Ok so during the -MR option you can select the reference number from a list or input it instead. |
| [11:28:58] | jya: | ok... similar to the python script I wrote/modified many moons ago |
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| [11:30:41] | RDV_Linux: | jya: I only get concerned when I hear the word manual as Jamu will happily override manually input metadata as it always reflects what id on the TVDB or TMDB source. If you want jamu to ignore a specific video then set the reference number to eight nine (99999999) |
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| [11:31:11] | RDV_Linux: | jya: or on the conf file set a subdirectory to be ignored. |
| [11:31:53] | jya: | as long as jamu reuse the name I've already entered in the metadata |
| [11:31:56] | jya: | it should be fine |
| [11:32:21] | jya: | I have many files for which the file name makes no sense, but the name in the meta data is correct |
| [11:32:43] | jya: | so if jamu reuse that names in the metadata it should be fine instead of trying to guess from the file name |
| [11:32:47] | justinh: | oo the website came back up for about 10 minutes. I really need to get some money out of the committee & switch hosts |
| [11:34:09] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Jamu uses the reference number as god, with the TVDB and TMDB. So if you want to manually enter anything then enter the refernece number (even IMDB). Changint the movie name or TV title will mean nothing to jamu, |
| [11:34:15] | jya: | RDV_Linux: if there's no metadata or if the title in the metadata match the name of the file, then jamu can then do a match from the file name |
| [11:35:10] | jya: | problem really is that I've maintained my metadata quite well all those years... |
| [11:36:21] | RDV_Linux: | jya: If you do not have a reference number jamu will use the file name. That is it. As it says in the wiki if you manually maintain your metadata Jamu is not for you as Jamu maintains your metadata according to what is on TVDB and TMDB. |
| [11:36:28] | jya: | so while I don't mind jamu searching for the data and replacing what's there... I know that if it's trying to guess the title from the file name, it's going to take me forever to redo it all |
| [11:36:52] | jya: | hum... ok |
| [11:37:09] | jya: | may have a dry run first and see how it goes ... hopefully this will be a one off thing |
| [11:37:12] | jakkarth: | mysqldump -A >backup.sql |
| [11:37:18] | jakkarth: | jamu.py -s |
| [11:37:42] | jya: | the first time I did it, it took me a few days to tag all my files |
| [11:38:25] | xand: | but I want a silly truncated list wasting my terminal space :( |
| [11:38:26] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Please back up first but a dry run or the suggested -s (simulation) option addition (-MRs) would be the best approach. |
| [11:40:56] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Jamu was really only meant to get metadata for large collection when 0.22 was released. After that I expected people to use MythVideo's (w) key to update newly added videos. I also expected Jamu to be obsolete by now. |
| [11:41:26] | jya: | oh, I manually do it from the interface |
| [11:41:38] | jya: | that's what I do most of the time now |
| [11:42:23] | jya: | but there are still time where I download my TV series automatically, and I like those to get automatically added |
| [11:42:53] | RDV_Linux: | jya: If that is the case maybe all you want from Jamu is the -MW option to get images for your recorded programs and -MJ to clean those images up when they are not needed anymore. |
| [11:44:20] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Good luck I hope you find something of use in jamu. Just be aware of its limitations. |
| [11:45:01] | jya: | Don't worry, if there's something I don't like, will probably send you some patches... |
| [11:45:16] | jya: | been running the find_metadata.py for a while now |
| [11:45:29] | jya: | does tmdb still use the same tag# as imdb? |
| [11:45:37] | jya: | if so should be quite straight forward |
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| [11:46:55] | RDV_Linux: | jya: As of 0.23 tmdb.py can use either IMDB or TVDB reference numbers. Jamu also recognized both but always converts your IMDB numbers to TVDB numbers when they exist. |
| [11:47:45] | jya: | Am I to worry there? |
| [11:47:45] | jya: | 2010-06–02 21:45:55.876 Python Database Connection: Using connection settings from /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [11:47:46] | jya: | ! Error: Getting recordedprogram table record: DBData() could not read from database |
| [11:48:05] | jya: | config.xml seems good to me |
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| [11:49:33] | RDV_Linux: | jya: What options are you running? Jamu does not write anything to the recordedprogram table. |
| [11:49:50] | jya: | ./jamu.py -MW -s |
| [11:50:55] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Pastebin all the output. Jamu is trying to get your EPG data to download images that is why it is reading that table. |
| [11:51:14] | jya: | oh, it's not finishing ... |
| [11:51:36] | RDV_Linux: | it is expecting a matching recordedprogram record for every recorded table record. |
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| [11:51:51] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/uSdYA90H |
| [11:51:57] | RDV_Linux: | looking |
| [11:52:06] | jya: | then it's doing something |
| [11:52:20] | jya: | not sure what :) Ctrl-C isn't responsive |
| [11:53:23] | RDV_Linux: | next time run with -MWV where "V" is verbose and you can actually see what is going on. |
| [11:55:15] | RDV_Linux: | jya: I just checked the code. If you get that error it is as I wrote above a missing match to a recorded table record but processing just continues. |
| [11:55:36] | jya: | ok... |
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| [11:55:51] | jya: | does it cache anything with -s or will it redo the whole thing from start? |
| [11:57:14] | jya: | see simulation download http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/165921-1.jpg&n bsp;; that URL gives me a 404 error |
| [11:57:23] | RDV_Linux: | jya: -s fakes out all downloads of images and db updates no caching. With the -MWV option I would not bother with the -s option as it does not update the database at all. |
| [11:57:37] | jya: | doesn't it ? |
| [11:58:19] | jya: | how does it display the right data in the recording screen ? |
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| [11:59:20] | RDV_Linux: | jya: options to do with MythVideo update the db but not -MW. There is a built in image hunt for the Watch Recorded screen that uses the EPG title and matches against specific image file names. |
| [11:59:35] | jya: | i see... |
| [11:59:37] | jya: | cool |
| [12:01:48] | justinh: | killall firefox |
| [12:01:55] | justinh: | duh wrong screen |
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| [12:27:29] | jya: | RDV_Linux: it ended prematurely with http://pastebin.com/kCJ8Gxsr |
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| [12:29:47] | RDV_Linux: | jya: You must be running trunk. That is a message from the python bindings. There is no issue at all. Part of the message says "ignored". You would see that message as the last line from any trunk Jamu run. |
| [12:30:10] | jya: | so it's completed |
| [12:30:43] | jya: | cool... looks awesome |
| [12:30:50] | RDV_Linux: | jya: Correct it looked like it worked fine. I would love to see that message go away but I do not control that. |
| [12:31:19] | jya: | I'm surprised you haven't got commit access yet |
| [12:32:26] | k-man: | how do i turn off all commercial flagging? |
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| [12:38:00] | k-man: | tye |
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| [12:39:03] | k-man: | oops, the "play recording on frontend" option in mythweb doesn't actually give me a link to click on, do i have to enable something to make that work? i just enabled the telnet interface on the frontend, do i need to restart mythweb or the backend before it will work? |
| [12:43:28] | justinh: | you need to restart the frontend when you enable the remote telnet thingy |
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| [13:38:33] | ThisOtherGuy: | hi all |
| [13:38:33] | Nixon: | <all> Hello ThisOtherGuy! |
| [13:38:39] | ThisOtherGuy: | boo nixon! |
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| [14:28:06] | ** wagnerrp hates users that ask suggestions on a good tuner card... ** | |
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| [15:00:11] | lapion: | hello |
| [15:00:18] | jakkarth: | lapion, hi! |
| [15:00:34] | lapion: | hi jakkarth |
| [15:01:12] | lapion: | I was wondering if it is possible to make the cuts made on a recording permanent |
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| [15:01:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, by transcoding |
| [15:02:00] | lapion: | now I have a file that will not transcode.. |
| [15:02:14] | lapion: | so I decided to cut a bit.. |
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| [15:14:26] | wagnerrp: | why wont transcoding work then? |
| [15:14:55] | lapion: | seems like only on this recording.. |
| [15:15:41] | johnnyj: | i'm still having problems getting the transcoding wrapper stub program to do anything |
| [15:15:53] | johnnyj: | but i've resigned myself to reading more about python |
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| [15:16:08] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: to be honest, that script was a shot in the dark |
| [15:16:13] | wagnerrp: | but what about it is not working |
| [15:16:29] | lapion: | the log file says that I should set up recording profiles.. but it should take one of the default profiles |
| [15:16:58] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – no output at all |
| [15:17:35] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin your copy of it? |
| [15:17:49] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – sure thing – 1 sec my desk phone rang |
| [15:19:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heads up that I have committed the changes to the tvdb API to add the new XML output mode, which again touches setup.py, please feel free to smack me if I did anything wrong to it |
| [15:20:08] | lapion: | let me tail the logfile to see whats up |
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| [15:22:39] | wagnerrp: | looks good from here |
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| [15:23:19] | wagnerrp: | the only 'problem' is ive got to manually resolve with my local changes |
| [15:23:27] | ** wagnerrp grumbles... ** | |
| [15:23:31] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [15:23:34] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [15:23:42] | iamlindoro: | It'll all be so worth it ;) |
| [15:24:05] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/autometa.ogg Behold the glory! |
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| [15:25:39] | wagnerrp: | this one is actually slow enough to tell whats going on |
| [15:26:06] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the ogv sucked, stupid gtkrecordmydesktop, istanbul better |
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| [15:28:06] | wagnerrp: | no metadata for buckaroo banzai? |
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| [15:28:21] | iamlindoro: | Heh, That's a good thing |
| [15:28:40] | iamlindoro: | the movie title is "Buckaroo banzai across the eighth dimension" and I have my file as "Buckaroo Banzai" |
| [15:29:08] | wagnerrp: | same here, pretty sure it picked up on it with the old style |
| [15:29:09] | iamlindoro: | The name matching is done by measuring the transform distance from string a to any of the available options |
| [15:29:17] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [15:29:25] | iamlindoro: | so the transform distance from A to B in that case is very far |
| [15:29:34] | iamlindoro: | and falls outside the threshold of the default name matching |
| [15:29:37] | lapion: | http://pastebin.org/301249 |
| [15:30:07] | iamlindoro: | So you would either a) increase name matching permissiveness to filthy whore mode and get all sorts of error, or b) just do the few it doesn't get automatically with "W" |
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| [15:30:56] | iamlindoro: | There *is* a DB setting to set name matching permissiveness, but that would be a transform of like 30.. the single metadata grabs still work the same, you get a list to choose from |
| [15:31:45] | wagnerrp: | will that background update continue if you exit out of mythvideo? |
| [15:31:54] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – sorry for the delay – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1876022 is my copy of the transcode wrapper stub.py |
| [15:32:29] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: no, the thread's parent is the mythvideo window |
| [15:33:11] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: got somewhere that lists the optional inputs for mpg2mkv? |
| [15:33:28] | johnnyj: | oh duh... |
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| [15:34:15] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – that's a wrapper for Handbrake – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1876028 |
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| [15:38:53] | wagnerrp: | so it outputs nothing? it doesnt echo the source and output? |
| [15:39:08] | wagnerrp: | right.. it wouldnt |
| [15:39:16] | wagnerrp: | that gets pulled into the bindings |
| [15:39:33] | wagnerrp: | if you changed it to 'print task.command(....' |
| [15:39:43] | wagnerrp: | it would output what youre looking for |
| [15:40:20] | wagnerrp: | as indicated by the name, that class was intended to access grabber scripts |
| [15:40:32] | wagnerrp: | where you want the response from the command |
| [15:40:55] | wagnerrp: | so the output of the 'command' method is the response through stdout |
| [15:41:44] | wagnerrp: | anyway, just call handbrake directly... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1876032 |
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| [15:45:46] | johnnyj: | oh great – thanks |
| [15:46:20] | wagnerrp: | you *might* have to put in the full path to HandbreakCLI |
| [15:46:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if python will find it on its own |
| [15:46:40] | johnnyj: | yeah – svn post commit hooks have that issue too |
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| [15:47:31] | johnnyj: | which are about all the python i've ever handled |
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| [15:54:14] | jarle: | kormoc_afk: How does mythweb check if a show is still recording? I have a show that mythweb will show as "still recording" even if the recording ended long time ago... |
| [15:55:07] | iamlindoro: | I would guess they're checking the inuseprograms table |
| [15:55:14] | iamlindoro: | could be wrong, it's just a guess |
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| [16:26:32] | keith4: | i just put another disk in my backend, and added it as a new storage group. is there any automated way to re-balance storage groups? |
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| [16:27:50] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [16:28:06] | wagnerrp: | clever: what ever happened to that one you were working on |
| [16:28:36] | keith4: | what would be involved in that, database-wise? |
| [16:28:43] | iamlindoro: | If they're on the same host, nothing |
| [16:28:59] | keith4: | really? awesome |
| [16:29:00] | iamlindoro: | And presumably you've added it as a new path in the same storage group, rather than as a new SG |
| [16:29:01] | wagnerrp: | just move them, and mythtv will be able to find them |
| [16:29:33] | keith4: | iamlindoro: uh.... maybe? |
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| [16:29:51] | wagnerrp: | storage groups can have multiple defined paths each |
| [16:30:00] | wagnerrp: | you dont need to make a new storage group for each new drive you install |
| [16:30:07] | keith4: | i didn't know it searched them all. kinda figured there was a path in the db somewhere |
| [16:30:31] | keith4: | okay, so if i added it as a new path for the same SG, it will be fine. if i added a new SG, it won't? |
| [16:30:57] | wagnerrp: | searches for recordings will fall back to any available storage group on that host |
| [16:31:07] | iamlindoro: | they'll just be less efficient |
| [16:31:12] | wagnerrp: | so as long as it is a defined folder, it should find it |
| [16:31:28] | wagnerrp: | but its preferred, and much cleaner, to keep it in the same SG |
| [16:31:50] | keith4: | excellent. do i have to keep thumbnails and recordings together? |
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| [16:33:35] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – that didnt work either but I need to wait to re-enable jobs logging |
| [16:33:58] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: run it manually from the command line |
| [16:34:11] | johnnyj: | how do i determine the args? |
| [16:34:16] | johnnyj: | chanid and start time? |
| [16:34:20] | wagnerrp: | chanid and starttime |
| [16:34:29] | keith4: | wait. if myth doesn't know/care exactly where the files are, how the hell does mythrename know where to symlink things to? |
| [16:34:32] | wagnerrp: | or find the id of the failed job, and run it again |
| [16:34:58] | wagnerrp: | keith4: it implements a search for the file |
| [16:35:13] | wagnerrp: | it searches through the available directories in the storage group to find it |
| [16:35:34] | keith4: | ah |
| [16:36:45] | keith4: | so, ignoring the directory names... did I do this correctly? http://pastebin.com/NnHfz3aN |
| [16:37:17] | wagnerrp: | dont know, it doesnt list storage groups |
| [16:37:32] | wagnerrp: | what about 'select * from storagegroups;' |
| [16:37:32] | keith4: | k |
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| [16:39:48] | keith4: | http://pastebin.com/RCgkDLAx |
| [16:40:06] | wagnerrp: | looks good |
| [16:40:29] | keith4: | great. thanks! |
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| [16:44:19] | johnnyj: | can mythvcommflag not gen a cutlist on it's 1st pass? |
| [16:44:49] | wagnerrp: | no, it does not generate a cutlist, only a skiplist |
| [16:45:12] | johnnyj: | so if you want a cutlist you need to re-run it with --gencutlist? |
| [16:45:17] | wagnerrp: | the devs do not consider the commercial detection to be sufficiently accurate to immediately build a cutlist |
| [16:45:37] | wagnerrp: | if you want a cutlist, you should go into edit mode, load the skiplist, and confirm the cuts |
| [16:46:02] | johnnyj: | this is a friend asking me – admittedly a friend that needs to join the mailing list |
| [16:46:16] | wagnerrp: | answer is still the same |
| [16:46:23] | iamlindoro: | Why, nobody knows anything on the mailing list |
| [16:46:34] | iamlindoro: | maybe a half dozen non-idiots |
| [16:46:55] | iamlindoro: | And four thousand screaming mongol dillweeds |
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| [16:54:31] | johnnyj: | i sent him to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/291403#291403 |
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| [16:56:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, thats retarded |
| [16:56:52] | wagnerrp: | hence the big 'WARNING' at the top of the page |
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| [16:59:03] | wagnerrp: | gah... |
| [16:59:11] | ** wagnerrp needs to fix ntp on his laptop ** | |
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| [17:09:47] | johnnyj: | so if I accidently started up mythcommflag with no args |
| [17:10:07] | johnnyj: | and it started processing a seemingly random previously recorded program |
| [17:10:16] | johnnyj: | and I killed it when I realized what I had done |
| [17:10:41] | johnnyj: | now there's an entry in my jobqueue table saying that it's searching for logo in this program |
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| [17:11:40] | johnnyj: | is there a preferred means of cleanging this job from the queue? |
| [17:15:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | keith4, you don't want /mythtv/group1, /mythtv/group2, /mythtv/group3 to be mount points _AND_ Storage Group directories though. you want to make a subdir below the mount and set that subdir up in the Storage Group. That way if the drive is ever unmounted, MythTV won't record to the mount point itself and fill up your root hard drive. so, mount on /mythtv/group1 and put make a subdir /mythtv/group1/recordings and put tha |
| [17:15:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | t subdir in the Storage Group. |
| [17:16:27] | keith4: | Captain_Murdoch: oh, no worries. the underlying directories are root:root 770 |
| [17:16:37] | keith4: | but you make an excellent point |
| [17:17:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | so in your case you'd just have failed recordings :) since the recorder wouldn't be able to write to the dir. :) if the SG dir doesn't exist, then MythTV will use another dir, that's another reason for using subdirs on mounted filesystems. |
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| [17:23:02] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – i determined the job id but then i run that script manually I get nothing – not even usage |
| [17:30:11] | wagnerrp: | haha... i always forget something |
| [17:32:09] | keith4: | Captain_Murdoch: true. it hasn't been a problem (... yet) |
| [17:32:57] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: see the change to the script on the wiki |
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| [17:33:56] | johnnyj: | ha |
| [17:35:25] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: "jerky jerk", eh? :) |
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| [17:38:42] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – woo hoo – it appears to be running |
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| [17:42:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah... uh... my bad |
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| [17:46:30] | tank-man: | couple capacitors went kaput on my video card, all that time looking at logs for nothing |
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| [18:16:27] | Digital-Pioneer: | OK, got an irritating little GUI glitch on mythfrontend. I'm using the Mythbuntu theme, with a modified menu theme, and when I'm browsing the menus, the highlighted item disappears instead of the normal selected effect. Any idea what could cause that? Perhaps I broke something in the XML? But what? |
| [18:16:55] | Digital-Pioneer: | All my modifications are in ~/.mythtv/themes and I have reinstalled mythtv-common to make sure I haven't screwed anything up in there. |
| [18:17:27] | wagnerrp: | menu theme alterations do not affect the operation of the UI |
| [18:17:56] | wagnerrp: | some time prior to 0.23, there was a change in the theming engine, which required all the themes to be updated to match |
| [18:18:24] | wagnerrp: | if you were using the updated engine on an older theme, you would see that issue where the highlighted item was invisible |
| [18:21:58] | Digital-Pioneer: | wagnerrp: OK, so my theme is outdated? Can I just run some script on it to update it? |
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| [18:23:18] | wagnerrp: | update it the same way you got it the first time |
| [18:23:42] | Digital-Pioneer: | wagnerrp: apt? |
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| [18:30:07] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: I like people to get their credit :) |
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| [18:31:48] | Digital-Pioneer: | wagnerrp: OK, not sure how to update it. It came packaged, and all my packages are up-to-date. :\ |
| [18:32:32] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: yeah, I hear ya, just found the description of yourself amusing ;) |
| [18:32:50] | iamlindoro: | I felt bad :) |
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| [19:43:11] | justinh: | eew what happened to opendns? :-O |
| [19:44:37] | Jay2k1: | why not make your own |
| [19:45:31] | justinh: | yeah I used to use a dns caching thingy on my old backend |
| [19:45:56] | justinh: | dnsmasq that was it |
| [19:46:05] | Jay2k1: | yeah that's a fast caching only dns |
| [19:46:22] | Jay2k1: | i use bind though, i don't forward, i resolve myself |
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| [19:50:15] | ** justinh wonders what use resolving internet addresses yourself is ** | |
| [19:50:24] | johnnyj: | oh yeah? I fold my own tcp packets by hand |
| [19:52:04] | wagnerrp: | justinh: lets you redirect local stuff internally, rather than having to use a hosts file |
| [19:57:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: absolutely zip all use for me then |
| [19:57:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: thats the only use ive personally got for one |
| [19:58:22] | skd5aner: | !seen gbee |
| [19:58:22] | MythLogBot: | gbee was last seen 12 hours 25 minutes 36 seconds ago |
| [19:58:47] | wagnerrp: | !seen stuartm |
| [19:58:47] | MythLogBot: | stuartm was last seen 2 days 2 hours 30 minutes 55 seconds ago |
| [19:59:26] | wagnerrp: | can always check the user list first |
| [19:59:41] | skd5aner: | I did |
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| [20:10:05] | NIklas__E: | is there any easy way to install mythtv 0.23 in gentoo? |
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| [20:11:29] | wagnerrp: | 'emerge mythtv' |
| [20:11:56] | NIklas__E: | wagnerrp: it only install 0.22 |
| [20:12:10] | wagnerrp: | so unmask 0.23 |
| [20:12:22] | dustybin: | migrating a backend + server onto another box was a _MISSION_ |
| [20:12:35] | dustybin: | my room has never looked messy |
| [20:12:39] | dustybin: | *so |
| [20:13:12] | dustybin: | there was dust everywhere, electronics, fans, hard drives, mobos, everywhere |
| [20:13:28] | Jay2k1: | justinh: means your internal dns server does not forward non-cached queries to another DNS (opendns, google, your ISP) but asks for the authoritative servers itself |
| [20:13:39] | dustybin: | but now its finished... dustybin presents the new mythtv backend: |
| [20:13:41] | dustybin: | Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 – CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.263 MHz) – Processes: 203 – Uptime: 52m – Load Average: 0.14 – Memory Usage: 137.91MB/3702.39MB (3.72%) – Disk Usage: 188.81GB/1077.54GB (17.52%) |
| [20:13:45] | RockHound: | Jay2k1: thx for the tipp towards mythwelcome ... works perfectly |
| [20:14:11] | Jay2k1: | i.e. for en.wikipedia.org it asks root server, from there it's being told to ask the server responsible for org., from there to wikipedia.org. and so on |
| [20:14:19] | RockHound: | I am missing the current time on that screen though |
| [20:14:57] | wagnerrp: | they make quadcore i3s? |
| [20:15:01] | Jay2k1: | then look in the upper right corner, RockHound :) |
| [20:15:21] | RockHound: | nope ... not with arclight theme |
| [20:15:25] | RockHound: | or I am blind |
| [20:15:28] | Jay2k1: | ah well |
| [20:15:34] | Jay2k1: | i use mythcenter-wide |
| [20:15:42] | RockHound: | been there ... ;-) |
| [20:16:08] | Jay2k1: | so you increased your idle delay now? :) |
| [20:17:54] | RockHound: | nope ... just setup the right command via mythshutdown |
| [20:18:21] | Jay2k1: | no i mean, to prevent early shutdown after boot |
| [20:18:48] | Jay2k1: | when i switch on the machine, i have to wait until welcome is there and then start the frontend within 60 seconds, or the machine will power off itself again |
| [20:19:13] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – wow that first attempt is still running |
| [20:19:38] | RockHound: | if I switch it on manually, mythwelcome starts mythfrontend immediately which prevents the shutdown |
| [20:19:44] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: what did you expect? h264 is very intensive to encode |
| [20:19:46] | justinh: | Jay2k1: IMHO the big difference is that my ISP's DNS is terribly slow at times. caching really helps |
| [20:21:07] | Jay2k1: | for queries you use regularly, yes |
| [20:21:18] | Jay2k1: | for new ones, it doesn't make stuff faster if your isp's is slow |
| [20:22:45] | Jay2k1: | RockHound and if it powers itself on automatically to record a scheduled show, the frontend is not started? |
| [20:22:59] | Jay2k1: | i know you can configure welcome to do so, but it never worked reliably for me |
| [20:23:48] | RockHound: | Jay2k1: yes, that has worked for me in my tests today |
| [20:24:01] | Jay2k1: | sometimes it powered on at 3am to record and stayed on all night because it started the FE... when i turn it on the next time to watch a recording, FE is not started and it goes down again |
| [20:24:17] | Jay2k1: | well, i'm curious if it'll work for you |
| [20:24:22] | RockHound: | I will watch this |
| [20:24:27] | Jay2k1: | if yes, i might give it another try |
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| [20:24:37] | Jay2k1: | my previous tries were on 0.22 |
| [20:24:45] | Jay2k1: | i even tried to do it with a shellscript |
| [20:24:46] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – this is a 30 min file recorded on my hdpvr in 720p – it's a triple core AMD/2 at 2.5Ghz |
| [20:25:28] | wagnerrp: | youre doing h264 to h264? |
| [20:26:51] | Jay2k1: | but i'm glad you like mythwelcome anyway :) |
| [20:27:10] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – i was under the impression that the command i was using for handbrake would result in a smaller file when using mkv |
| [20:27:22] | johnnyj: | does the container make no difference? |
| [20:28:17] | wagnerrp: | last time i tried to transcode my ATSC recordings, it was 1080i60 mpeg2 @14mbps to 1080p24 h264 @6mbps |
| [20:28:39] | wagnerrp: | took me like 4hrs on a 2.2GHz C2D |
| [20:28:40] | dustybin: | do you think mythtv should implement a database-free way of transfering recordings. ie, imagine you had a hard drive of recordings, all you would need to do is plug it into a new fresh mythtv box, and it would read a file in the recordings directory then fill the database up automatically |
| [20:29:08] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp – good to know |
| [20:29:34] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: that 2.2GHz C2 is slightly less powerful single threaded than your 2.5 AMD |
| [20:29:49] | wagnerrp: | you likely cannot decode that HDPVR recording in real time on that processor |
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| [20:32:03] | wagnerrp: | so youre running 'detelecine'... which should just be dropping frames on 720p content |
| [20:32:19] | liminal: | hello |
| [20:32:28] | liminal: | hi again wagnerrp |
| [20:33:45] | liminal: | ive installed mythtv within ubuntu lucid lynx |
| [20:33:59] | wagnerrp: | -q20, multi-hex blocking.... youre probably going to be running ~8fps on that encode |
| [20:34:10] | liminal: | but i am having trouble connecting and filling my database |
| [20:34:43] | liminal: | ive installed mythtv sucesfully before within ibex so im not sure what im doing wrong this time |
| [20:34:47] | wagnerrp: | nah, closer to 6fps |
| [20:39:11] | liminal: | http://pastebin.com/0yrytdKz |
| [20:39:27] | liminal: | this is what i get when i run fillmythdatabase |
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| [20:47:49] | RockHound: | some recordings are named differently in germany and I would really like to have the cover she-bang fetching work for those aswell. Can I somehow save the real name of the recording somewhere? |
| [20:48:24] | kormoc: | cover she-bang fetching? |
| [20:48:58] | RockHound: | kormoc: hehe ... i meant that for example in the arclight theme, the recordings have a coverart or fanart picture as a background |
| [20:49:09] | iamlindoro: | It's the collected works of William Hung |
| [20:49:19] | iamlindoro: | Didn't he cover She-Bang? |
| [20:49:24] | RockHound: | rofl |
| [20:50:06] | RockHound: | do you guys know what I mean? |
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| [21:01:17] | wagnerrp: | no... we dont |
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| [21:06:02] | iamlindoro: | presume he was asking how to have Jamu download artwork for his german-language recordings |
| [21:06:16] | iamlindoro: | which means he hadn't read the Jamu wiki to do title:inetref mapping |
| [21:07:10] | kormoc: | I was wondering if he was attempting to embed a script into his message and get me to execute it |
| [21:07:58] | ** J-e-f-f-A wonders what he just came back to... is this really #mythtv-users ??? ;-) ** | |
| [21:10:01] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: of course it is she-bang bin bash newline cat etc passwd pipe mail blackhat at blackmarket dot org |
| [21:10:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | There... updated the 6200ch program on the wiki to have my optional inter-digit delay parameter. ;-) |
| [21:10:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehehehe... |
| [21:11:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I forget – are you on FiOS TV too? |
| [21:11:42] | kormoc: | I used to be, moved downtown and thus no fios :( |
| [21:11:45] | kormoc: | I'm on directtv now |
| [21:11:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | :-( |
| [21:12:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | I probably should have added a 'revision log' section on the 6200ch wiki page... hummm |
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| [21:25:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A is really impressed at the massive amount of development being done on Myth currently... So many awesome things being done... ;-) ** | |
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| [21:39:51] | dustybin: | when i compile mythtv i get this error: |
| [21:39:53] | dustybin: | MMX disabled on x86 |
| [21:40:08] | dustybin: | do i need to turn on MMX via the BIOS ? |
| [21:41:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Gee, what are you trying to compile it on a 486? |
| [21:41:56] | dustybin: | ERROR: MMX disabled on x86, MythTV will be very slow.\n\tDisable this check with --enable-disable-mmx-for-debugging |
| [21:42:10] | dustybin: | Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| [21:42:13] | dustybin: | not that old |
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| [21:43:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: I'd check the BIOS – it's probably in there. ... I just can't remember the last time I'd see a machine without MMX support! |
| [21:44:02] | dustybin: | im using a slackbuild |
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| [21:44:13] | dustybin: | i just changed the arch to i686 instead of i486 |
| [21:44:36] | dustybin: | seems to be ok now! |
| [21:44:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, that could do it... Did you 'force' it to i486 before? |
| [21:45:08] | dustybin: | the slackbuild has ARCH=i486 in the script |
| [21:45:15] | dustybin: | *had |
| [21:45:28] | dustybin: | i changed it to i686, now its compiling without warnings / errors |
| [21:48:35] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: the i5 processors may very well not support MMX |
| [21:49:04] | wagnerrp: | the EM64T architecture does not have those units, and they are disabled in 64-bit mode |
| [21:49:19] | wagnerrp: | why are you compiling 32-bit anyway? |
| [21:49:53] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: this is a frontend, different box, its a p4 2.8, my mini HP / COMPAQ D530 |
| [21:50:06] | dustybin: | this is my backend: |
| [21:50:08] | dustybin: | Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 – CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.263 MHz) – Processes: 212 – Uptime: 2h 28m – Load Average: 0.04 – Memory Usage: 194.68MB/3702.39MB (5.26%) – Disk Usage: 188.75GB/1077.55GB (17.52%) |
| [21:50:12] | dustybin: | this is my frontend |
| [21:50:45] | dustybin: | Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| [21:53:40] | justinh: | well, looks like I'll be changing web hosts after all. more work for me! :) |
| [21:53:53] | justinh: | so long one.com, you bucket of lameness |
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| [21:57:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: which one i was working on? |
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| [22:00:48] | wagnerrp: | script to balance recordings between storage groups |
| [22:01:08] | clever: | ah, its still got some bugs but i can paste up a copy |
| [22:01:32] | wagnerrp: | just thought of it since someone else was wanting to do the same thing |
| [22:02:27] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [22:02:48] | clever: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| [22:03:18] | Beirdo: | url fail |
| [22:03:22] | clever: | the central loop needs to be rewriten, its still using if's to find the fullest drive, when i could be using a sorted array |
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| [22:03:25] | clever: | lol |
| [22:03:27] | wagnerrp: | well this is frightening... |
| [22:03:28] | clever: | http://pastebin.ca/1876272 |
| [22:03:35] | clever: | forgot that pastebin doesnt go directly there |
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| [22:04:06] | wagnerrp: | ohio supreme court upholds a ruling that a cop's word is good enough for a speeding conviction |
| [22:04:26] | ** wagnerrp wants to see the NIST certification for that officer's eye ball ** | |
| [22:04:30] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: move outta oHIo |
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| [22:05:54] | wagnerrp: | 'the officer is trained, certified by a training academy, and experienced in watching for speeders' |
| [22:06:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ohio sucks... I got a speeding ticket driving through that state in 2004... |
| [22:06:15] | wagnerrp: | f--- that, the cops around here cant even manage to stay in their lane on a straight road |
| [22:06:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: another bug that i think is just my fault, inuseprograms keeps filling up with dead preview_generator's |
| [22:06:23] | Beirdo: | 'the officer is drunk and wouldn't know a speeder from a donut' |
| [22:06:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | They 'pounced' on me, since I had a camp trailer and out-of-state plates – the other 20 cars around me were going the same speed... ugh... |
| [22:06:50] | clever: | i think its because i somehow compiled the video codecs with sse so they now crash on the master backend and leave the table unclean |
| [22:07:23] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, you dont speed through central ohio without a detector |
| [22:07:24] | Kazan: | anyone know why my TV is able to tune some analog channels, but my PVR-500 isn't able to tune those same channels.... |
| [22:07:27] | wagnerrp: | period |
| [22:07:35] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: you remind me of a line in Liar Liar |
| [22:07:35] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: an eyeball-detector? |
| [22:07:43] | wagnerrp: | Kazan: your TV has a digital tuner? |
| [22:07:48] | Beirdo: | stop breaking the law... <censored> |
| [22:07:56] | Kazan: | wagnerrp: they're analog |
| [22:08:00] | Kazan: | wagnerrp: the TV reported them as analog |
| [22:08:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: heheheh... Oh well... It was a $150 ticket IIRC... that hurt... |
| [22:08:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, it can hurt... don't get caught next time :) |
| [22:08:35] | wagnerrp: | Kazan: the channels are not listed by schedules direct, so mythtv doesnt know they exist to tune |
| [22:08:45] | Kazan: | they're listed in SD |
| [22:08:56] | Kazan: | it is attempting to tune them, but is gettin static |
| [22:08:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: it also doesnt put anything into inuseprograms, so myth itself may try to expire the file and only delete one of the 2 copies (mid-move) |
| [22:09:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyways, it's after 6pm.. time to head home! ;-) ttyl. |
| [22:09:18] | wagnerrp: | i need to put stuff for that table into the bindings... |
| [22:09:52] | clever: | during the move, its probly not safe to even read the file |
| [22:10:02] | clever: | since it might read from the origin which will be deleted soon |
| [22:10:38] | clever: | ive had mythtranscode do the same and the frontend just up and stoped playback |
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| [23:41:23] | GuyCanada: | hey guys im loking to build a mythtv pc for myself and i dont know how to tell if i need digital or analogue input and im also looking for a car that will "just work" |
| [23:41:38] | GuyCanada: | normally i dont mind messing with linux stuff but in this case id really like my card to work without much effort |
| [23:43:03] | Beirdo: | a car that will "just work"? Better buy a Honda |
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| [23:44:14] | GuyCanada: | beirdo, card |
| [23:44:17] | GuyCanada: | sorry |
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| [23:46:27] | Beirdo: | you would have to know what the heck you are trying to capture from |
| [23:46:30] | Beirdo: | we don't know |
| [23:46:49] | Beirdo: | sorry if I'm a bit grumpy... frigging headaches |
| [23:47:25] | GuyCanada: | okay well it would jstu be a regular cable TV cable that im capturing from |
| [23:47:43] | GuyCanada: | i can find out what im capturing later im just looking for cards that will work |
| [23:48:19] | Beirdo: | no, you need to know what kind of signal you are capturing to know what cards will be able to capture it |
| [23:48:44] | Beirdo: | "regular cable TV" doesn't mean much... analog? digital? |
| [23:50:55] | GuyCanada: | ahh i see, i figured the cable would only carry one or the other didnt know the same type of input could carry analogue or digital, lets assume its digital cable |
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| [23:58:32] | GuyCanada: | what would be a good card assuming digital capture beirdo |
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