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Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 00:03 UTC

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'm wondering if I can leverage System events on a "read only" basis in my plugin-- namely, I'd like to send a "Internet Content Updated" event when the backend system finished updating content, and trigger a reload of the tree on the frontend when that happens, if the user is in MNV

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iamlindoro:

wondering if it's possible, or even a good idea

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wagnerrp:

why a 'system event' rather than just a normal broadcast event?

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** iamlindoro notes that wagnerrp is fighting tooth and nail against any new system event types :P **

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iamlindoro:

really don't wanna handle them in the bindings, I guess

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wagnerrp:

nothing of the sort, ive fixed that core

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wagnerrp:

code

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wagnerrp:

im just pointing out that system events are sent once per machine

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wagnerrp:

with no control over what process actually receives it

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wagnerrp:

where as something like a 'recording list update', or in this case a 'internet list update' would be sent to everything

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iamlindoro:

Which is something one woudl want, since the internet content updates are no longer MNV specific

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wagnerrp:

but you would want every frontend to receive it, right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, you can't guarantee that a FE will receive the event since if you have a BE and FE on the same system, the system event could be only sent to the BE if it's first in the PlaybackSock list on the master.

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wagnerrp:

im saying if you use a system event, and a user has both a frontend and a jobqueue running on that system

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wagnerrp:

theres no guarantee the frontend will be the one to receive the event

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, wagnerrp, so presumably a RemoteSendMessage might be more like what I'm looking for?

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** wagnerrp takes notes, as hes trying to get the jobqueue to do the same thing **

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I believe that should work for what you want.

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iamlindoro:

Basically I'm trying to find a kinder, gentler way to handle first-time configuration of MNV-- trigger the mythfillnetcontent on the BE, and get a message back to update the tree when it finishes-- or maybe even incrementally as each source is updated

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Captain_Murdoch:

that sends a MESSAGE to the master which triggers a MythEvent on the master which is received by the master's MainServer::customEvent() which should turn it into a BACKEND_MESSAGE and sent it out to any connection that said it wanted to receive events when it connected.

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wagnerrp:

so thats what 'MESSAGE' does?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, And for a message that the backend doesn't need to do any handling on, I shouldn't need to touch mainserver.cpp, right? Looks like all unhandled cases get turned into broadcasts?

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Captain_Murdoch:

right.

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iamlindoro:

cool, thanks for the explanation

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iamlindoro:

I'm not completely convinced it's any more friendly to reload the list on the user... but I guess I could have the plugin prompt the user for a tree reload

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iamlindoro:

If MythGenericTree were more conducive to appending content, I could try that, but it's not too great about it

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, "mythbackend --event 'TESTEVENT BLAH'" for testing.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, ah, great tip, thanks

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Captain_Murdoch:

actually, I wonder if that will work for MESSAGE events since I don't think I allowed extra data with --event.

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably won't.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Is is possible to send a MESSAGE with arguments where a single argument has multiple words?

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iamlindoro:

ie SOME_EVENT_NAME 'the name of a feed' SOME_TYPE

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iamlindoro:

looks like it may assume the separator is space always?

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Captain_Murdoch:

what's in the event and how it is processed are up to the sender/receiver.

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, okay, that makes sense.... ah, okay, I see exactly what you're saying

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have a patch in my tree to modify RemoteSendMessage to allow you to pass in the extra data list as well as part of my MFSW work, but I need to tweak it some before committing that part.

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wagnerrp:

is that a limitation of 'MESSAGE', or a limitation of the exposed calls for it?

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Captain_Murdoch:

exposed calls.

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wagnerrp:

so i could throw something together in about two minutes to allow that (for temporary use)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Sounds like it would be better for me to table this part of it until MFSW goes in

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wagnerrp:

(in the bindings)

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Captain_Murdoch:

backend handler happily passes on everything,but current version of RemoteSendMessage() only takes a QString.

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iamlindoro:

I'm thinking I can send a INTERNET_CONTENT_UPDATED $Type $Feedname

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iamlindoro:

then the receiving plugin can append a new tree branch if it is subscribed but not present

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Captain_Murdoch:

most times it's easier to send a QStringList rather than space separating items on one line. that way you don't have to deal with embedded spaces and your data is already split for you.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I've probably done it both ways though, so take that comment with a grain of salt. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

MFSW will use multiple lines, and lots of them sometimes.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and within the file/dir lines, it will use it's own separator for the metadata for that file or dir and have a prefix on the line to indicate if it's a new file, a deleted file, or an update to an existing file.

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miffteevee:

Im having some basic conf-trouble with mythweb on 0.23-fixes checked out a snapshot after the official 0.23. Running mythbuntu i uninstalled FE, BE, plugins and mythweb. Compiled the snapshot and got all working now except mythweb goes "Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream:" on me :-/

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miffteevee:

googling around I found that mythweb might have some trouble displaying its own error-pages, but I cant seem to find a solution. mysql.conf is ok and I apache seems to be working well too and finds the mythweb-dir. But PHP seems to fail and im a bit confused when it comes to tracking the error down.

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miffteevee:

there are a few recent threads about this error, but most seem to be solved by reinstalling mythweb via mythbuntu and this is kind of a no go for me.

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k-man:

so is it worth raising a ticket on that bug regarding displying of the schedule while watching recorded shows?

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k-man:

or just wait until the osd ui is ported to mythui to see if that fixes it?

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miffteevee:

here is the full error-output: http://pastebin.com/X044Vpwj

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k-man:

miffteevee: are you setting up mythweb?

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k-man:

i had this error last night and it turned out php was not installed on my system

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miffteevee:

k-man > yes

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k-man:

check that perhaps?

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k-man:

apache had libphp installed, but php itself was missing for some reason – is this a debian system you are installing on?

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miffteevee:

it is, the mythweb that comes with mythbuntu has been working fine, its happened when I switched to a compiled snapshot of mythtv (including mythweb)

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k-man:

miffteevee: again, that's exactly what i was doing last night – switched form .debs (on debian though) to compiling it myself

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miffteevee:

i -think- it might have something to do with how it is all being configured by mythtv-common in the mythbuntu package-tree and uninstalling the different mythtvpackages has made it stall somewhere between the database and php/apache

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k-man:

double check php is installed, and that libphp and php-mysql are installed

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k-man:

did you remove all the mytthv packages?

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miffteevee:

ok, I'll check it right away :) ...maybe uninstalling mythweb-package made the php-bindings disappear. Thats actually plausible i think

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miffteevee:

no not all of them, just BE, FE and plugins

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k-man:

miffteevee: what are you trying to do? mix compiled with .debs?

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miffteevee:

no clean compile-version

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miffteevee:

but im afraid i might loose my database if i uninstall mythtv*

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k-man:

miffteevee: you won't, but you should definately make a backup of the db before proceeding just in case

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miffteevee:

yes, and then uninstall all the mythbuntu-packages for mythtv ?

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k-man:

miffteevee: mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg > mythtv-backup.sql

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k-man:

miffteevee: yes

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k-man:

i think trying to leave the packages installed will just cause confusion

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miffteevee:

it seems I've got php5 / php5-mysql /php5-common installed

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miffteevee:

yes, youre probably right :-/ ...it was kind of test with the new 23 and I wanted to leave the 22 behind, just in case (and it works too, im able to switch between them) but the trouble with mythweb made me start uninstalling the various packages

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k-man:

in my case, when i uninstalled the mythtv .debs, i think it uninstalled php

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miffteevee:

but it also reset the bindings for you which is probably what my trouble is all about, right ? (just to see if I understand this correctly) :)

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k-man:

what bindings?

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k-man:

for php?

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miffteevee:

yes

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miffteevee:

how about the libmyth-packages ? should they be removed too ? (libmyth-python and libmyth-perl)

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k-man:

i would remove all packages that are mythtv related i think

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HRearden:

I'm having an issue with jamu and the python bindings. Keep getting an error about not finding DBData. can anyone help?

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wagnerrp:

are you running 0.23?

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HRearden:

yes.

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wagnerrp:

package or source?

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HRearden:

gentoo – source.

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k-man:

miffteevee: basically, apache has a way to "drop in" parts of its config. which is what the .deb of mythweb would do. when you uninstall it, it will remove that bit of config from apache. once you install mythweb from SVN or wherever you'll have to replace that bit of config yourself. mythweb has instructions for doing that in its folder which is what i followed last night and it worked

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, the python bindings did not get updated when you updated from 0.22

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wagnerrp:

try doing it manually

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wagnerrp:

rm -r /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV*

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HRearden:

ahh – I deleted my 2.5 cruft, but I see some 2.6 cruft here...

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wagnerrp:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . dings/python

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wagnerrp:

cd python; python setup.py install

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miffteevee:

k-man > thankyou :) I've also followed the INSTALL-doc in the mythweb folder and adjusted the mythweb.conf.apache. I've removed all but the libmyth-packages and will try again now.

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HRearden:

something different in the fixes?

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wagnerrp:

no, they got rewritten from 0.22 to 0.23, and if you cannot import 'DBData', then for some reason they did not update for you

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HRearden:

right – I was just going into my existing source directory and doing that instead of re-downloading from svn.

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k-man:

miffteevee: good luck :)

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HRearden:

argh – no luck. Still getting this:! Warning – MythTV python bindings could not be imported, error(cannot import name DBData)

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HRearden:

The modules tvdb_api.py (v1.0.0 or greater), tvdb_ui.py, tvdb_exceptions.py and cache.py.

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HRearden:

They should have been installed along with the MythTV python bindings.

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HRearden:

Error(No module named ttvdb.tvdb_ui)

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sphery:

or those... wagnerrp knows his channels better than me

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HRearden:

wagnerrp – any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hes not in here

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wagnerrp:

HRearden: either youre not loading the python bindings at all, or youre loading an old version of them

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sphery:

yeah, I know... I didn't think it was important enough to say in #mythtv, but wanted to admit you had a better list than I did

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wagnerrp:

yeah... didnt really want to walk someone through a system ive never used in here

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iamlindoro:

I can answer his question

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iamlindoro:

"nobody"

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wagnerrp:

so i differed him elsewhere... :)

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HRearden:

Other things using the python bindings appear to work though... tmdb.py and ttvdb.py

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iamlindoro:

Does not mean you're not using an old version

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wagnerrp:

perhaps you have old versions of those, prior to them being half moved into the bindings

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HRearden:

Right – I've searched my python path though.

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HRearden:

Any way to detect the version of bindings I'm using?

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wagnerrp:

whats the '.egg' file in /usr/libs/python2.6/site-packages?

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HRearden:

only 1 – MythTV-0.23.0-py2.6.egg-info

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wagnerrp:

and in python, 'from MythTV import DBData'?

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HRearden:

that works OK

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HRearden:

Odd.

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HRearden:

wait – it works from the site-packages directory but not when I'm in mythvideo/scripts – jamu – directory

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wagnerrp:

what version does it print when you run 'python'?

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HRearden:

2.6.4

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mahr83:

netstart shows mythfrontend listening on the correct port but i cant use the remote control feature of mythweb

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RDV_Linux:

HRearden: Do a search like "locate MythVideo.py" you may still have old bindings installed and they are first in your system path.

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wagnerrp:

maybe in dist-packages

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HRearden:

no dist-packages at all

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HRearden:

should /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV be in my Python sys.path? right now I just have down to site-packages.

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wagnerrp:

what about.... 'import MythTV; MythTV.__path__'

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mahr83:

does anyone else here use mythweb remote?

[01:57:28]

wagnerrp:

in python, lib is a link to lib64

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: can you telnet to that host/port?

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Dar1us:

mahr83: I do occasionally

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HRearden:

AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '__path__'

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HRearden:

So from a python path standpoint – should "MythTV" be in there or not?

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wagnerrp:

my bad... MythTV.__file__

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HRearden:

MythTV.pyc

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wagnerrp:

that file will only exist on the old bindings

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wagnerrp:

but you should have a path

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wagnerrp:

not just a file

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wagnerrp:

unless its importing from the current folder

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HRearden:

yes... it's in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts for some reason

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HRearden:

I take it it should be deleted from there...

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miffteevee:

k-man > no dice unfortunately :/

[02:01:38]

k-man:

miffteevee: what happened?

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HRearden:

Oddly it has a relatively current date.

[02:01:46]

HRearden:

(2 days ago)

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HRearden:

If I delete it, and re-run jamu, it gets recreated in this directory.

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miffteevee:

after fiddling with a2ensite complaining that the site didnt exist I got it going but the error stays exactly the same

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HRearden:

WTF. I feel like an idiot not knowing a damn thing about Python here...

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miffteevee:

k-man > I think mythweb is trying to report a config-error of some sort (maybe db-connection), if I could figure out what it was I might get mythweb going (and only the display of eventual error-pages will be a problem)

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k-man:

miffteevee: anything useful in the apache error logs?

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miffteevee:

k-man > nothing to report from the apache-logs. If i could get some sort of php-log going it may present a hint of some sort

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k-man:

miffteevee: did you check the config file and update it? in my case it was pretty good but i had to change a couple of the default paths

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k-man:

miffteevee: im sure php can produce a log but i'm no expert on php so i don't know how to do it sorry

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miffteevee:

k-man > I only changed the two <directory> paths at the beginning of the file. And i also updated db-name, user and password to fit my db (which is renamed)

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k-man:

on systems where the FE and BE run on the same machine, it would be cool if you could get to mythtv-setup form the FE

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miffteevee:

k-man > no worry, im just trying everything for what its worth :)

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k-man:

miffteevee: which version of php do you have installed?

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k-man:

fwiw, i installed php5

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squish102:

k-man i'm sure that it is possible. I was calling boxee from in mythtv

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miffteevee:

k-man > ive also got php5 installed, this is really getting to me...

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k-man:

miffteevee: same error still?

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miffteevee:

k-man > I think mythtv requires the BE to be stopped in order to run mythtv-setup without 2 clients writing to the DB at the same time (both BE and mythtv-setup).

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k-man:

miffteevee: do you have any other php thing installed on that system to make sure php is working?

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mahr83:

no, I cant telent to it, but I can see it listening on port 6547

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miffteevee:

k-man > no, not that i know off... but there is a little php-function that outputs the configuration, i could do a script with just that function i guess

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k-man:

miffteevee: time to go back to first principles. first, make sure apache works for plain html, then make sure basic php works by testing using a test php script. like: http://www.htmlite.com/php003.php

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k-man:

miffteevee: yeah, see the link

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miffteevee:

k-man > thanks, im on it, ill replace the index.html in my mythweb dir with the phpinfo-script and try to load it in the browser

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k-man:

miffteevee: on debian, if you go to http://yourlocalhost/ it has a web "It works!"

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k-man:

i presume ubuntu would be the same

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k-man:

miffteevee: ok

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miffteevee:

k-man > yes, the default site works, but here's news, no output from the phpinfo. Site-title is displayed so its loading but no output from php, time to check the logs from apache once again

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miffteevee:

k-man > and nothing to be found in the log. Perhaps I should do a reinstall of php5

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k-man:

miffteevee: oh, just had a thought

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k-man:

miffteevee: you might need to enable the apache php mod a2en is the command

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miffteevee:

k-man > oh, good thinking! ill try it

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k-man:

miffteevee: and your sure you have installed the apache php mod

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mahr83:

telnet is required for myth remote or is there another way to configure it?

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miffteevee:

k-man > a2enmod reports: Module php5 already enabled

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miffteevee:

k-man > maybe its something to do with the execution-permissions somehow ? all files in /var/www has 777 so it might be apaches own configuration of the different directory-tags that causes trouble

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k-man:

miffteevee: maybe, check the php logs

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miffteevee:

k-man > but I cant find any php logs in /var/log

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k-man:

check apache logs

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k-man:

miffteevee: you might need to seek help on apache/php channels as to why php is not working

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[R]:

mahr83: configure it?

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HRearden:

wagnerrp, any other ideas on python bindings / jamu ?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere, somehow, youre pulling in an old version of the bindings

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miffteevee:

k-man > got it ! moving the testscript from /var/www/ into /var/www/html/ made it happen :)

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RDV_Linux:

HRearden: Until the bindings issue is resolved jamu does not have a chance of working.

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HRearden:

the one we just saw it pull in was from the directory I was in (MythTV.pyc), but that file gets created every time I run jamu

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mahr83:

ssh comes to mind

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[R]:

mahr83: huh?

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miffteevee:

k-man > must be my mythweb.conf that is misconfigured copying the mythweb files to /var/www/html seems to be working

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HRearden:

No one ever answered the python path question – should MythTV be in there or does it automatically look in all subdirectories (i.e. because site-packages is there, MythTV is pulled in) ?

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miffteevee:

k-man > what an embarrasing error, – I guess i should read up on directory-tags and followsymlinks and so on...

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mahr83:

it seems like mythweb remote is a telnet service, is this incorrect? sorry but its not like there is a lot of documentation on it, I would prefer to use ssh

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[R]:

mahr83: the protocol the frontend remote uses is a plain text tcp protocol

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RDV_Linux:

HRearden: Jamu only uses the bindings and has no logic to install any python libraries.

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[R]:

mahr83: why would you want to introduce pointless encryption into it?

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HRearden:

Understand – I was wondering if the original install of the python libraries was not right...

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mahr83:

why would i would a telnet service running on my machine?

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mahr83:

want*

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[R]:

mahr83: its not a "telnet service"

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[R]:

mahr83: its a tcp socket that accepts commands in plain text

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HRearden:

Argh – There was old crufty stuff in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts (*.py) – got rid of them and am now further.

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mahr83:

but I would need to use telnet to access it from command line then?

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[R]:

mahr83: telnet is one way to access it... yes

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mahr83:

but off the point, why does my mythweb say no frontends allow remote control, and why cant i use telnet to access it? I just get unkown host when i try to connect to the port

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[R]:

mahr83: did you enable remote control in the settings? did you open the port in the firewall (if there is one)?

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[R]:

if you get unknown host

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[R]:

your connecting by dns

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[R]:

when you dont have a dns server that knows that host

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[R]:

try connecting by ip

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k-man:

miffteevee: yeah, the mythweb instructions say to move the the code to /var/www/html, but debian and i guess ubuntu use /var/www for html

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mahr83:

yes, I enabled the remote control in the settings, but telnet to the port does not work, and the mthweb does not see it either

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miffteevee:

k-man > exactly and i've now got an ugly "html" in my url, but cant seem to find any "DocumentRoot" settings anywhere

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[R]:

mahr83: well what is the real error... becuase "unknown host" is from not using the ip

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k-man:

miffteevee: there is a setting in the mythweb.conf file that you put into the apache conf.d directory iirc

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mahr83:

connection closed by foreign host

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miffteevee:

k-man > when running a2ensite it doesnt touch the conf.d dir, it only holds "charset", "localized-error-pages" and "security"

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[R]:

mahr83: and if you run netstat -l --inet on the frontend?

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[R]:

mahr83: are you telnetting from the computer running the frontend or another computer?

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miffteevee:

k-man > and then it seems it copys the mythweb.conf file to "sites-enabled"

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k-man:

miffteevee: i don't think you need to use the a2ensite feature as your putting the mythweb code directly in the html folder

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mahr83:

tcp 0 0 *:6547 *:* Listen

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wagnerrp:

no, you want 6546, 6547 is the HTTP server

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mahr83:

tried both

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miffteevee:

k-man > hmmm, good point

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mahr83:

telnet ip 6547

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mahr83:

trying ip

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miffteevee:

k-man > i might be very wrong but i suspect that php only has permissions to be run further inside somehow

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wagnerrp:

6546

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mahr83:

escape chat is ^]

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wagnerrp:

unless you changed it manually

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mahr83:

connection closed my foreign host

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mahr83:

same thing on local machine or laptop

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k-man:

miffteevee: no idea

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jya:

This ipad is so cool. Have to port mythtv to it.

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miffteevee:

k-man > ah, this is what holds DocumentRoot "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default"

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mahr83:

maybe its a permission thing, its not like i run mythfrontend with root priv?

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miffteevee:

k-man > ill try messing around with it, I think Ill be able to make it work now. Thanks a lot for listening and sparring ! I really appreciate it :)

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[R]:

mahr83: as wagnerrp pointed out, its 6546, and the telnet line you just pasted was not that port... also, run it from the computer with the frontend to 127.0.0.1

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k-man:

miffteevee: your welcome

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miffteevee:

k-man > thankyou :)

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: you actually tried to connect to 'ip'?

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HRearden:

wagnerrp et al. – Thx much. resolved.

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mahr83:

only tried ip

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wagnerrp:

i mean you really tried to telnet into 'ip'? thats exactly what you typed into the terminal... 'telnet ip 6547'?

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mahr83:

i cant telnet to the machine now that i started the telnet service, i have vnc, web, telnet,ssh, the only thing that i cant connect to is the mythweb remote

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mahr83:

apache works

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

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wagnerrp:

you were supposed to substitute 'ip' for the address or hostname of the machine you wanted to connect to

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mahr83:

can*, cant type though, especailly not over a slow keyboard over a vnc session

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mahr83:

maybe i broke something on my install of mythtv

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[R]:

[07:52:55] [R] mahr83: as wagnerrp pointed out, its 6546, and the telnet line you just pasted was not that port... also, run it from the computer with the frontend to 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

meaning, type 'telnet 127.0.0.1 6546' into the terminal

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: what is this 'telnet service' you said you started, hopefully not something provided by your distro

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mahr83:

telnet-bsd

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wagnerrp:

as that would have nothing at all to do with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and generally is not used for anything, since its insecure and ssh exists as a much better and more capable alternative

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[R]:

4 day weekend

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[R]:

i may actually get to finsihing my patch

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PMantis:

I have a conceptual question. I'm planning a rebuild of my myth machine (backend and several frontends). If the storage is all NFS NAS based, would there be a decent benefit to having a virtual master backend (obviously no cards), with slave backends to do the recording?

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wagnerrp:

virtual?

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wagnerrp:

as in run on a virtual machine?

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PMantis:

As in QEMU, VMWare, etc

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PMantis:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to?

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PMantis:

The idea there, is... the virtual host is already on, no more power consumtion.

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wagnerrp:

so run it on the physical host

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PMantis:

Perhaps WOL for the other backends

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wagnerrp:

and mythbackend is not designed to run tunerless

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wagnerrp:

and dont expect to run mythbackend on some underpowered ARM-based linux NAS

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PMantis:

Would bad things happen without a card?

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wagnerrp:

you want a real amount of power behind your backend and database

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PMantis:

LOL, of course not... I transcode lots of HD shows.

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wagnerrp:

the backend doesnt average much usage

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wagnerrp:

but it wants a lot of power for the database and scheduler

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wagnerrp:

and mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

that consumes a bunch too

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PMantis:

So running the master backed without a tuner was never considered, and not recommended?

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[R]:

you said your going to run it in a vm

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[R]:

where si that vm going to run?

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wagnerrp:

if it was considered, it was deemed unnecessary

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PMantis:

On a virtual host.

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wagnerrp:

it will 'work', but is completely untested, and there are some known issues (that i dont know of off hand)

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[R]:

PMantis: yes... and the physical hardware is...

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wagnerrp:

there are some plans to change that, now that mythvideo and hopefully mythmusic are migrating to storage groups

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Ok, then I'll leave it how I have it now.

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wagnerrp:

PMantis: this is a machine thats going to be running all the time?

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: As it stands, I have my myth server and my virtual host running 24/7. I was considering a way to reduce the electric bill.

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wagnerrp:

so stuff all the tuners and hard drives in the other system, and have it run as the master

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PMantis:

Not including the firewall appliance, 48 port switch, etc, etc

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wagnerrp:

if you want isolation, for security or maintenance concerns, use some sort of sandbox like VServers

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PMantis:

It sounds like what I envision is more trouble than it's worth.

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY reason to run a full virtual machine is if you need different operating systems (and specifically kernels)

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Basically isolation. I'm sick and tired of having so many services on on host. I upgrade the distro, 28 things break, rather than me worried about 2 services. If I upgrade my DB server, I only care about postgres and mysql, etc, etc.

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PMantis:

s/on on/on one/

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wagnerrp:

look into vservers

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wagnerrp:

i use something very similar on freebsd (jails)

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: How is that different than virtualization? It's that what the 'V' is?

[03:23:21]

wagnerrp:

each jail gets its own ip, network stack, file system root

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Besides the IP part, kinds sounds like a chroot.

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wagnerrp:

but its all done by the kernel, so theres nearly no overhead, no need to simulate hardware or provide a virtual BIOS or any of the other cruft that comes with full VMs

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wagnerrp:

yes, its like a chroot on steroids

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PMantis:

Hmmm

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wagnerrp:

except where chroot merely fakes a new root, containers are designed with security in mind

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PMantis:

I set up my customers with single VMs per service, and I love the maintenance on that.

[03:25:38]

PMantis:

Upgrade, test one thing, move on.

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PMantis:

Similar?

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wagnerrp:

as long as each of those VMs can run off the same kernel, you can just use vservers to do the same exact thing

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PMantis:

Sorry, we're kinda OT here. :)

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mahr83:

lol, shows how much I was paying attention to both of your questions, and no wagnerrp, i wasnt trying 'ip', funny though

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: So, with the same concept of isolation, I was considering how to split myth into "bite-sized" task related containers.

[03:29:39]

PMantis:

..and thought it might save power. :)

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wagnerrp:

can you fit the tuner cards into this server?

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PMantis:

I have 3 HDHomeRuns and only 1 active "carded" tuner. Trying to get some others working, and one was a bad choice – no hardware mpeg encoder.

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PMantis:

So, yeah, I could put them in the other.

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wagnerrp:

well if you have HDHRs, then theres no problem

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wagnerrp:

just run your backend and database on the server, and have it connect to them

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wagnerrp:

there are no physical restrictions with a network attached tuner

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PMantis:

But I occasionally have some "blips" in the recorded video, and I'm not sure if it's network related, processor, etc.

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wagnerrp:

could be a 'blip' in the transmission, could be a network hiccup

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PMantis:

That, too. I should rewind and play same thing again to see.

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wagnerrp:

i mean during recording

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PMantis:

Yeah, I understand. if I rewind and it's in the same spot each time, prob recorded that way.

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PMantis:

But... was is an IP network issue with my switch during recording? dunno.

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PMantis:

Ho many people put the HDHRs on a separate network connected to a backend?

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wagnerrp:

i doubt many

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mahr83:

wagnerrp, thanks, I killed my session that was listening on 6567 and changed the port and a telnet worked

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mahr83:

but then it dropped me out.

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k-man:

PMantis: why on a seperate network?

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PMantis:

k-man: I was only considering it to completely rule out network congestion as a possible problem with recordings.

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k-man:

PMantis: what speed network do you have? and how many hdhrs do you have?

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PMantis:

But the HDHRs have 2 tuners on a 100Mbit connection, and that's barely taxed... so it's more of a worry that some other geeky thing (NFS) is hogging too much.

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PMantis:

k-man: I have 3.

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PMantis:

k-man: oh, and a 48 port gigabit Linksys switch

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mahr83:

Thanks for all the help.

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mahr83:

my wife doesnt like all my hard work because there is a small 1/8 inch border of black around the tv.... that and I paused her tv show

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PMantis:

mahr83: Ahhh, the wife test.

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wagnerrp:

mahr83: usually its the other way around, overscaling is common, underscaling is rare

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jamesd_laptop:

mahr83, wait it gets better if she likes it she will have you settting up recording schedules for every show she watches.... and if you have a minor hickup.. she will get pissed it didn't record her favorite show...

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PMantis:

lol

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mahr83:

lol

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mahr83:

nah, she has a spendy smart phone she can blame that

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PMantis:

mahr83: Set up recording schedules that then auto-transcode and feed to her smartphone via RSS so she always has her shows on her phone! That'll impress her. :)

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mahr83:

your not helping

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PMantis:

Heh

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mahr83:

so how do i adjust the scaling?

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wagnerrp:

overscaling, mythtv can fix

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wagnerrp:

underscaling... thats something your video drivers will have to correc

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wagnerrp:

t

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[R]:

myth has a setting to overscan

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[R]:

i set mine to 2%

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mahr83:

aah, thanks, I'll play with that later, just glad I have a fully configured media box, considering I pulled it out of a corner a week ago and the box had not been turned on in over 620 days

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PMantis:

lol congrats mahr83

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: Thanks for your time tonight.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mahr83: You have a 'downtime' app on your box??? ;-)

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sphery:

or adjust your TV... many TV's underscan pictures from "computer" inputs (VGA, DVI, etc.) so that you can see the whole Windows start bar

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: That was probably fsck that said that :)

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sphery:

mahr83: ^^^

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mahr83:

lol, no, i just have a hard time sleeping

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PMantis:

mahr83: Try listening to a delta wave CD at night – helps to get better sleep :)

[04:04:21]

PMantis:

Oh great, I'm OT again. LOL

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mahr83:

later, thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

do you have to do this on your own? i dont think you could pay a barber/stylist to cut this.... http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=14169

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PMantis:

ROFL

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[R]:

wtf is that

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: looks like he's buyin condoms, too! He thinks he can score looking like that?!?!

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wagnerrp:

PMantis: if you read the caption, thats exactly what they say

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PMantis:

Oh LOL

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PMantis:

I didn't scroll down yet

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wagnerrp:

hence the title at the top of the image

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: How'd you get that picture of c1ever? ;-)

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kjbbb:

I'm looking to build a mythtv box. Anyone have any hardware suggestions?

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[R]:

anything?

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wagnerrp:

kjbbb: mythtv is not some turn-key appliance

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wagnerrp:

its a system that can span one or more locations, and must be tailor fit to your use and video sources

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wagnerrp:

start with http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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wagnerrp:

and since youre on comcast, and will probably try to record from comcast, you might want http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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dibbz:

yes looking forward to iiNet's iptv offering

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kjbbb:

wagnerrp: great, thank you.

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honk:

is there a guide on how to port a plugin from .21 to .22? =)

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

there are the Qt docs for going from Qt3 to Qt4

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wagnerrp:

there are MythUI docs

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honk:

I think can handle the qt stuff =)

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wagnerrp:

what are you wanting to port?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: maybe mythstream? definitely not mythrecipe – I think that died a long time ago ;)

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justinh:

assuming it's actually a *real* plugin he's talking about

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justinh:

oh update mangler.. go away!

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highzeth:

morning =)

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justinh:

morning :)

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justinh:

ahh inkscape my old friend. we meet again

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justdave:

got my hd-pvr today

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justdave:

very pleased to see the outputs on my cable box actually work :)

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justdave:

now I just have to figure out how to get the ir blaster working so it can change channels :)

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justinh:

I think with pulseaudio there might have been a lot of 'this horse looks so good, let's all back it & to hell with the consequences – other devs will work around it or fear their user's wrath'

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justinh:

seriously.. search for pulseaudio & you hardly find a single positive thing said about it. No exaggeration. How has this happened?

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gandalfcome:

Which are the prefered EPG data sites in germany?

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highzeth:

I use tv.search.ch (via tv_grab_ch_search) for a select few channels, mainly use EIT tho

[08:27:02]

justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV#Germany.2FAustria ?

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gandalfcome:

So how many days does EIT provide program for?

[08:29:45]

gandalfcome:

in germany?

[08:30:30]

justinh:

it'd depend on the broadcaster I'd expect

[08:30:48]

highzeth:

gandalfcome: for einsfestival fi I got till 2. june

[08:30:52]

justinh:

be surprised if you got more than 7 days

[08:30:54]

highzeth:

but yeah, it varies

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gandalfcome:

but I guess its the most reliable as there's no schedule direct. I'm setting Mythtv up for my parents in germany, but can't support it as I'm living in australia. So reliable is important.

[08:32:56]

gandalfcome:

I remember last time when I setup mythtv it was either EIT or some grabber. are these things supporting each other now. or is it still one or the other?

[08:33:03]

justinh:

yes

[08:33:23]

gandalfcome:

justinh: yes : one or the other?

[08:33:27]

justinh:

yes

[08:34:16]

gandalfcome:

justinh: what is a nice stable frontend atm? Are there any new atom devices that are popular in the myth community?

[08:35:25]

justinh:

you want a frontend running on a cash machine?! :-O

[08:36:06]

gandalfcome:

Justinh: I have a server backend (some core 2 duo) with ram and hdd space.

[08:36:14]

gandalfcome:

justinh: cash machine?

[08:36:16]

justinh:

word to the wise – seriously – do NOT ask me for advice on what hardware to buy

[08:36:21]

justinh:

cash machine == atm

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gandalfcome:

justinh: What hardware do you recommend? Is the zotac minipc any good?

[08:37:17]

justinh:

I never recommend hardware

[08:37:20]

justinh:

*NEVER*

[08:37:42]

justinh:

and in future ask the channel, not just one guy. He is not your personal help bitch

[08:37:47]

justinh:

:)

[08:38:05]

gandalfcome:

justinh: why don't you recommend hardware?

[08:38:22]

justinh:

sigh

[08:38:35]

gandalfcome:

what are reliable mythtv frontends? Is zotac any good?

[08:38:44]

justinh:

let me think now. Why wouldn't I recommend stuff I don't even own? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[08:39:01]

justinh:

or even why would I recommend stuff I wouldn't even buy myself?

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gandalfcome:

justinh: sorry I didn't think of you as my personal help bitch, but just a friendly person who helps me out ;-)

[08:39:24]

justinh:

when the time comes to buy my next frontend it will be something with enough CPU to decode HD on its own

[08:39:37]

justinh:

no relying on VDPAU

[08:40:06]

justinh:

that is what *I* recommend

[08:41:04]

justinh:

HDMI can be run for quite long distances without much trouble. So can USB & remote control cabling. Few people really *need* an optical disk drive in their lounge

[08:41:46]

gandalfcome:

so you have hdmi hooked up your server box?

[08:41:56]

justinh:

no I don't.

[08:42:11]

justinh:

but if I ever get HD that's what I'm going to do

[08:43:15]

gandalfcome:

I see.

[08:43:57]

justinh:

I wouldn't trust anything with an atom CPU to play everything I could possibly want – as far as I could throw one

[08:44:26]

justinh:

infact I have something with an atom CPU – dual core 1.3Ghz atom.. and it's useless at stuff like flash video

[08:44:41]

gandalfcome:

justinh: really that sucks

[08:44:55]

justinh:

and that's just 800x480 screen res

[08:45:27]

justinh:

flash video needs a lot of CPU to play in adobe's player

[08:45:39]

justinh:

and there's no guarantee it won't tear either

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gandalfcome:

I was hoping that zotac mag mini could do the job. I just want something easy and reliable to act as a frontend. my parents do i think sdtv over dvb-t.

[08:47:39]

justinh:

hardware these days is reliable

[08:47:46]

justinh:

anything falls over, you can blame software

[08:49:18]

gandalfcome:

justinh: so you think that any of these atom based thinks can't hold their ground with mythtv?

[08:49:32]

justinh:

I couldn't care either way – they don't interest me

[08:49:57]

justinh:

I've gone down the road of having a frontend which relied on hw acceleration before and I won't be doing it again

[08:50:59]

justinh:

all this stuff is great as long as it works, but if it doesn't work with something you're *stuffed*

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gandalfcome:

thats the issue i had over the last years with mythtv. I set it up and flew back home and then it stopped working.

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justinh:

I wouldn't let my folks use mythtv

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rooaus:

had a drive die and trying to sort some stuff out, what is people's thoughts re ext3 vs ext4?

[08:59:47]

justinh:

not even if I lived around the corner

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gandalfcome:

justinh: well its an adventure isnt it. I think if it really is setup well then it should just work, shouldnt it. And the frontend is really good imho.

[09:02:07]

justinh:

the words too complicated for parents spring to mind

[09:02:31]

justinh:

mind you, they got a DVR recently & it's utterly awful

[09:03:45]

gandalfcome:

justinh: well thats a point for mythtv isnt it. I guess, but I agree a little bit with the statement before.

[09:04:16]

justinh:

if I didn't feel I needed as much flexibility I wouldn't be using mythtv

[09:04:22]

gandalfcome:

I mean I can ssh into the machine so I can do slight tweaks.

[09:04:36]

gandalfcome:

justinh: what would you use. Is there any nice dvr?

[09:04:44]

justinh:

there are a few which come close

[09:04:50]

justinh:

all cheaper than mythtv

[09:05:18]

justinh:

but they lack really simple features like being able to skip X minutes

[09:05:55]

justinh:

some of them are pretty retarded too – like having a VCR-like scheduler so if you select to record a programme it makes a timer entry for it

[09:06:20]

justinh:

and even my inlaws' Sony DVR has a limit of 30 timer entries per month!

[09:06:21]

gandalfcome:

The great thing about mythtv is that you can go on the web and configure it.

[09:06:33]

gandalfcome:

justinh: thats amazingly stupid

[09:06:46]

gandalfcome:

but then I have always loathed sony.

[09:06:50]

justinh:

being able to go on the web depends on your parents' internet connection working

[09:07:12]

gandalfcome:

well I mean that it has a webfrontend. that you can access from the lan. like routers

[09:07:13]

justinh:

gandalfcome: it's very clever in other ways though.. it can transcode shows to save space – and you can even edit recordings

[09:08:22]

justinh:

it's too clever, and not clever enough, at the same time :D

[09:08:51]

gandalfcome:

so you don't think that you can parent-proof mythtv

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[09:09:23]

justinh:

nope

[09:09:34]

justinh:

my dad broke mine the first time he used it

[09:09:47]

justinh:

that was before I removed the 'watch tv' menu item though

[09:10:01]

justinh:

prolly be better now with a faster frontend & backend

[09:10:20]

justinh:

he went into 'watch tv', saw nothing happen immediately & started stabbing the remote like crazy

[09:11:28]

gandalfcome:

oh yes I remembered it wasn't the snappiest experience ever. mythbuntu now said its faster

[09:11:45]

gandalfcome:

I don't know if it can compete with the normal tv reaction time.

[09:11:57]

justinh:

it can't, end of story

[09:12:46]

justinh:

what myth isn't, as opposed to commercial products – is a system optimised from start to finish based on a fixed set of hardware

[09:13:07]

gandalfcome:

the mac philosophy ;-)

[09:13:09]

justinh:

if you want fast channel change times you have to make other concessions

[09:13:24]

justinh:

don't stream

[09:13:26]

gandalfcome:

when I used it last it wasnt to bad

[09:13:28]

justinh:

don't buffer

[09:15:01]

gandalfcome:

well I got to go. Thanks for the help. I'll tell you how my parent proof mythtv goes

[09:17:32]

zzpat:

2010-05–26 19:16:53.751 Program #576 not found in PAT!

[09:17:55]

zzpat:

just scanned the channels and went through mythtv-setup on a new install of 0.23

[09:18:11]

zzpat:

using eit data on a hdhomerun dvb-t

[09:20:17]

justinh:

program not found in pat means a rescan is needed I think

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zzpat:

I literally just scanned and started up mythbackend

[09:20:59]

justinh:

yeah well. there ya go

[09:21:03]

zzpat:

:)

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justinh:

holy poo who edited the xmltv wiki to say NOT RECOMMENDED is to let mythtv-setup run xmltv configure. retarded

[09:26:26]

justinh:

suggest the page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Uk_xmltv is deleted as it contains so much crud now

[09:27:19]

justinh:

user scampgb, whoever you are, you need a slap

[09:28:26]

justinh:

his one contribution to the wiki is to tell people that the official method isn't recommended

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justinh:

"This is a work in progress – and I think I can make it slicker, but it's here in case you might find it useful.". WHAT?! FFS

[09:30:14]

justinh:

morons

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justinh:

running the xmltv grabber as root too. oof

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lapion:

hello

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lapion:

I have a dvb card that tunes to only 3 channels however it delivers listings for 20 encrypted channels.is it possible for me to use these listings for my analog channel list ?

[10:00:54]

lapion:

I recieve on my analog cable i get all those channels uncoded

[10:02:26]

lapion:

on my analog cable I recieve all those channels uncoded

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justinh:

no you can't put EPG data across sources

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lapion:

that's too bad

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justinh:

so there's no xmltv for your country?

[10:22:34]

lapion:

yes there are but it is very slow

[10:22:54]

lapion:

oops sorry no no native xmltv

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** justinh pities those who live in the wrong country **

[10:23:06]

lapion:

only grab_tv scripts

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justinh:

nasty

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justinh:

you could try http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/Europe of course

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lapion:

the first one of those scripts I used reverted programs recorded post midnight to the morning of the previous day..

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esperegu:

I am trying to get dvb-s2 to work but have had no luck yet. I added a card (4 lnb's) and scanning of the first lnb finds lot's of channels. but when I try to start mythtv it does not work. in the backend log I get:

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esperegu:

ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!

[10:27:07]

esperegu:

DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Unsupported fec_inner parameter.

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esperegu:

any guru that is willing to give me a hand?

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justdave:

how do I set the default tuner for livetv?

[10:37:17]

justdave:

does livetv always pick the lowest priority tuner or something?

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justdave:

that's what it seems like it's doing right now. I dropped the priority on the new tuner because I didn't want it recording stuff from it yet, but livetv seems to be picking it by default now

[10:38:14]

lapion:

I think it should take the highest priority, unless it is used for recording (?)

[10:38:35]

lapion:

justinh, it's a paid subscription basis

[10:38:53]

justdave:

so is the one in the US

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justdave:

(paid subscription)

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justinh:

I think livetv should go die in a fire :)

[10:39:30]

lapion:

with few dutch channels

[10:39:58]

justdave:

my wife wants to watch the news every morning when she gets up

[10:40:07]

justdave:

that's all anyone ever uses livetv for in the house :)

[10:40:32]

justinh:

justdave: so schedule a recording for it :)

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lapion:

well record the news every mornin

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justinh:

set max episodes to 2 or something, expire old & record new

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justinh:

it's not as if you need to watch news 'live' anymore anyway. even rolling news channels just show the same junk all day long

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justdave:

and since livetv seems to be picking the new HD-PVR that I don't have channel-changing working on yet, I had to make sure the cable box was on that channel by the time she got up this morning

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justdave:

yeah, she's a creature of habit though. :)

[10:41:45]

justinh:

listen to or watch the news in the morning & when you go home it'll be the same stuff

[10:41:50]

justinh:

habits are for changing

[10:42:04]

justdave:

but yes, setting that to record at a high priority would prevent it from getting pre-empted by trying to record something else in the same timeslot, too

[10:42:07]

justinh:

disable the 'watch tv' menu item, schedule the news & tell her that's how it is now

[10:42:23]

justinh:

blame somebody else if necessary

[10:42:33]

justdave:

the TV in the bedroom was the only one with a direct cable connection for a long time.

[10:42:47]

justdave:

she'd always switch the source to the real cable off the myth box to watch the news.

[10:42:49]

justinh:

hey, it's not your fault.. some developer guy broke it & you 'temporarily' have to do it this new way

[10:43:10]

justdave:

then we rearranged the furniture in the bedroom and now the TV isn't anywhere near the cable outlet.

[10:43:23]

justdave:

so Watch TV in myth is the only way to get to it now.

[10:43:35]

justinh:

make it un-so :D

[10:43:41]

justdave:

and she's already about this[]close to making me move the furniture back how it used to be. :)

[10:43:48]

justdave:

so the TV can reach the cable outlet

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justinh:

solve the problem of having to maintain tuner priorities

[10:44:13]

justinh:

I dunno what'd be so wrong about just plugging the tv into cable anyway

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justinh:

we have our STB done that way

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justdave:

nothing wrong with that, except that it doesn't reach where the TV is now

[10:44:42]

justinh:

no messing. it doesn't get anything mythtv can't get – other than the on-demand stuff

[10:45:02]

justinh:

and I wouldn't wanna record the ondemand stuff anyway :)

[10:45:05]

justdave:

unless we run a cable around the room (and across one door frame)

[10:45:09]

justinh:

that's why it's ondemand :D

[10:45:37]

justinh:

I dunno. women & their capacity to remodel things constantly

[10:45:50]

justinh:

finish decorating one room & move onto the next. it never ends!

[10:46:23]

justdave:

I think I've convinced her that her perceived problems with Myth are due to watching it on an analog TV via the composite hookup

[10:46:38]

justdave:

so we'll probably get a flat panel TV for in there soon. :)

[10:47:01]

justinh:

riiiiight

[10:47:11]

justinh:

because nothing looks better than an LCD TV right

[10:47:24]

justinh:

if it looks like crap on a CRT it'll look even worse on a panel

[10:47:29]

justdave:

at least you'd be able to read the OSD

[10:47:50]

justinh:

assuming you can use opengl video rendering

[10:47:57]

justinh:

or vdpau rendering

[10:48:10]

justdave:

yeah, opengl works on that box.

[10:48:17]

justinh:

not intel video then

[10:49:08]

justdave:

it is intel, but it seems to work anyway. It looks nice when I hook it up via HDMI to another TV.

[10:49:28]

justdave:

the composite video out is a pain in the ass though

[10:49:29]

justinh:

what chipset?

[10:49:36]

justdave:

845M I think

[10:49:47]

justinh:

I tried gl rendering the other day & it sucked to high heaven

[10:50:04]

justinh:

mine's 945M I think

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justdave:

sorry, 945M

[10:50:20]

justdave:

er, 945GM actually

[10:50:35]

justdave:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

[10:50:37]

justinh:

aopen mobile motherboard effort I got from ebay

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justdave:

it's a second gen Mac Mini

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esperegu:

justinh: hi! I still had no success ;-)

[10:51:38]

justdave:

the other two TVs have third-gen Mac Minis (with the nvidia chipset).

[10:51:43]

justdave:

they work *much* better.

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justdave:

vdpau and all

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esperegu:

justinh: however I succeeded in scanning.

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esperegu:

now I get:

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esperegu:

ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!

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justinh:

one thing I won't be falling for when I do buy a HDTV is this '600Hz' BS

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quicksilver:

funnily enough I have a friend into video who thinks they should have made HDTV broadcasts a native 300Hz

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quicksilver:

because with the way video compression works, that needn't make bitrates go up much at all

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justinh:

the human persistence of vision is somehow decreasing as we evolve huh?

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quicksilver:

(you'd reduce the number of keyframes, though)

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** quicksilver shrugs **

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justinh:

but nah, I reckon if anything needs to have its framerate upped it's cinema

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quicksilver:

I don't know. I've never seen a 60Hz film let alone a 300Hz one

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quicksilver:

and I'm poorly placed to spot the difference

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quicksilver:

this guy certainly seemed to think the smoothness would be an improvement and the cost would be minimal.

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quicksilver:

he is definitely smart enough to know what persistence of vision is.

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justinh:

24fps looks quite flickery to my eyes & when that subsides I'm left feeling motion looks jerky

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quicksilver:

I think some people claim the eye can better follow very fast action (football? golf ball?) at very high refresh rates

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justinh:

it's nothing like as bad as CMOS sensor wobble but still quite jarring

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justinh:

I think some people are living under the impression displays can respond that fast ;)

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quicksilver:

well obviously you would also need the display to work.

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quicksilver:

this guy's point was the standard should ahve included it

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quicksilver:

displays woudl then have followed, eventually.

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justinh:

the standard should've been better compression from day one too

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justinh:

we're stuck with mpeg2 with stereo audio for the most part

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

watched my first bluray at the weekend

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justinh:

and digital radio we're lumbered with is mpeg layer2 IIRC

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quicksilver:

I admit I could see the difference (between that and a DVD) btu I'm pretty sure it wasn't a different I cared about.

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justinh:

with all the push for 3d, they're not doing themselves any favours in the industry IMHO

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justinh:

this new thing, the superlative... then 6 months later NO! Look! New stuff! Peh

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quicksilver:

I was really surprised about the push for living room 3D

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quicksilver:

I thought the whole point was to give people another reason to go to an actual cinema

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justinh:

when it eventually wanes it'll drop off pretty fast

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quicksilver:

...now that home cinemas are often so good.

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justinh:

til we get immersive projection tech :)

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justinh:

(that really works)

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quicksilver:

I've seen two 3D movies and I did enjoy the effect.

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justinh:

we don't want to wear no stinking 3d Joe90 specs!

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justinh:

I wouldn't have minded seeing avatar really, but 2.5 hours for one film.. sheesh. not in those chairs

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pak0:

im trying to set xmame under mythtv, get it working fine, but i dont know how to get titles or screenshots, i have set up the settings but dont know what i have bad configured

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wagnerrp:

some with 'extensive knowledge of mpeg and dvb' doesnt understand why we have to wait for a keyframe to begin playback?

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justinh:

let them eat cake :)

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wagnerrp:

dvb-s broadcasters run 10s+ between keyframes?

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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Nixon:

<all> Hello ThisOtherGuy!

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wagnerrp:

aww crap...

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ThisOtherGuy:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

im talking about the bot, hes returned

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ThisOtherGuy:

...doh ... I felt all special

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wagnerrp:

didnt seem to respond... awfully... fast?

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ThisOtherGuy:

yeah – somewhat impossibly fast, but I was willing to ignore obvious facts for the irc love

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quicksilver:

do recent myths have something to fix the stutter on DVD pause/resume

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quicksilver:

(which is caused by the OS'es read-ahead cache, I suppose)

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xand:

I think it's caused by your drive spinning down

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justinh:

I fixed a few issues on 0.21 by increasing the min read speed

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justinh:

power saving measures in some recent distros are a pain in the rectifier

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pak0:

is on freenod any channel of xmame or mame?

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xand:

pak0: ask alis

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quicksilver:

xand: sorry, I wasn't entirely clear.

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quicksilver:

xand: yes, the drive spins down, but the first N megabytes is still in the cache

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quicksilver:

xand: so you get a few seconds, and then the pause

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quicksilver:

if the pause was immediate, that would be less annoying.

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pak0:

ali? offline?

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xand:

no, alis

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pak0:

but is offline at this moment ok

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xand:

it's not offline

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quicksilver:

justinh: that's interesting. Why does increasing the min read speed help?

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justinh:

the drive was reading data too slowly to keep up with playback

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justinh:

solved issues where some discs wouldn't even load too

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pak0:

at this channel i cant see anyone named alis

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pak0:

alis is a command really?

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xand:

alis is not in this channel

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xand:

alis is the nick of a freenode service for finding channels

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quicksilver:

justinh: Ah ok. I don't have the problem as a persistent thing

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quicksilver:

justinh: it's only after I pause a DVD.

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quicksilver:

justinh: as xand says, it's when the DVD spins down.

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quicksilver:

If the drive spins down, when you resume playback, the first second or two can be serviced immediately so the OS doesn't even think to spin the drive up

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quicksilver:

(because it's still in the OS cache)

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quicksilver:

then the OS only starts to spin the drive up once you get out of that cache

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quicksilver:

so you get a pause about 2 seconds in.

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quicksilver:

seems like there ought to be an OS solution which is to always spin back up in preparation for a future read based on *any* read of the device, but that's beyond my understanding of linux IO.

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quicksilver:

a mythtv solution would be to do some forced, largish readahead on resume from pause, to guarantee spin-up.

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wagnerrp:

quicksilver: see System Events

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wagnerrp:

you can specify a program to be run when playback is unpaused

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wagnerrp:

which would determine what you were playing

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: wow. Very interesting.

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wagnerrp:

and decide to hit the DVD to spin it back up

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quicksilver:

I had not read about / heard about that.

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quicksilver:

(I'm reading the wiki page)

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: do you recognise my description of the problem / my attempt to analyse the cause?

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wagnerrp:

sounds reasonable

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wagnerrp:

but i have no experience with dvd playback in mythtv

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quicksilver:

I note my PS3 pauses as well, when you resume playback.

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quicksilver:

...but it does the pause all at once, before playback starst

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quicksilver:

not a stutter 2 seconds in.

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wagnerrp:

you can test it

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wagnerrp:

pause playback, let the drive spin down

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wagnerrp:

manually hit the drive to spin it back up

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** quicksilver nods **

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wagnerrp:

and immediately try to play the video

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quicksilver:

I wonder what the best way to spin the drive up is. Is there a command line tool to do exactly that, or do I just read some random data from the beginning of it?

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wagnerrp:

maybe 'ls'?

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quicksilver:

well, I don't have DVD's automounting

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quicksilver:

or do I...

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quicksilver:

anyway that's given me a lot to think about. Thanks!

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wagnerrp:

dont know, maybe 'dd' a byte or two at a couple offsets

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wagnerrp:

or maybe you can do something with hdparm

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esperegu:

ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!

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esperegu:

any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

need more info, what were you trying to do?

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: I added a dvb-s2 card

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esperegu:

and was able to scan for the channels

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justinh:

stop it powersaving altogether would be my bet :)

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esperegu:

but that's it

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janneg:

esperegu: go into mythtv-setup and verify that the "master backend" and "this backend" ip match

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esperegu:

janneg: yeah. they do

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janneg:

what about hostnames?

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esperegu:

janneg: what with it? the entries are with IP's

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wagnerrp:

janneg: if they didnt match, it would be connecting as a slave, and not complain about master

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esperegu:

(in mythsetup)

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janneg:

check the hostnames in the capturecard table

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esperegu:

janneg: let me figure out how =)

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wagnerrp:

the slave would successfully connect to itself, but is not designed to do so, and you get those 'qstringlist' errors

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janneg:

wagnerrp: ah

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esperegu:

janneg: how to check the table?

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janneg:

esperegu: echo "SELECT DISTINCT hostname FROM capturecard;" | mysql -umythtv -p

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esperegu:

kewl

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esperegu:

RROR 1046 (3D000) at line 1: No database selected

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wagnerrp:

add 'mythconverg' to the end of that line

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wagnerrp:

(with no quotes)

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esperegu:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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wagnerrp:

then use whatever database credentials youre supposed to

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wagnerrp:

or if you dont know what they are or where to find them, run this in python

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wagnerrp:

'import MythTV; db=MythTV.MythDB(); c = db.cursor; c.execute("""SELECT DISTINCT hostname FROM capturecard"""); c.fetchall()'

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esperegu:

had the wrong pass

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: the output is:

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esperegu:

hostname

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esperegu:

moon72

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esperegu:

dcerouter

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wagnerrp:

the output from janneg's command or mine?

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: janneg's

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wagnerrp:

good, if that were mind, it would mean you for some reason decided to name one of your machines 'hostname'

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esperegu:

ok. but is this ok?

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esperegu:

damn. was disconnected.

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esperegu:

very reliable a cable in your laptop =)

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: is the output ok?

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wagnerrp:

do you have two separate backends? each with capture cards?

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: well the second (moon) is not running

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esperegu:

I tried to plug in a dvb-t card in that one because when I plugged it in the main one it had no reception (but in moon neither) ;-)

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esperegu:

but dcerouter is suppose to be the main machine

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: are those settings ok?

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: can I somehow disable the moon stuff for now (maybe that would help?)

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wagnerrp:

no idea what janneg was getting at

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: me neither =)

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esperegu:

janneg: ?

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esperegu:

let me reboot. who knows what happens =)

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esperegu:

brb

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janneg:

esperegu: echo "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = "BackendServerIP";" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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esperegu:

re

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janneg:

esperegu: echo "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = "BackendServerIP";" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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esperegu:

janneg:

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esperegu:

value data hostname

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esperegu:

BackendServerIP 192.168.80.1 dcerouter

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esperegu:

BackendServerIP 192.168.80.5 moon105

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esperegu:

BackendServerIP 192.168.80.2 moon36

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esperegu:

BackendServerIP 192.168.80.3 moon46

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esperegu:

BackendServerIP 192.168.80.4 moon72

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esperegu:

BackendServerIP 192.168.80.5 moon95

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esperegu:

hmm. one ip is entered twice

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wagnerrp:

please dont paste multiple lines into the channel

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: k. sorry

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esperegu:

janneg: is it ok?

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** dustybin hacks esperegu **

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esperegu:

dustybin: ?

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wagnerrp:

yes, because posting your private IPs will somehow make that possible

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: the clue is in the host names :D

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esperegu:

wagnerrp: how's that?

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wagnerrp:

esperegu: being facetious, it wont

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dustybin:

2 days until i get parts for new backend :D

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dustybin:

slackware 13.1 has just been released, things dont get any better :D

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esperegu:

dustybin: why's that?

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dustybin:

whys what?

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esperegu:

that thigs don't get any better

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janneg:

esperegu: that seems to be ok. I suspected that the backends had the same ip

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esperegu:

janneg: jes .1

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janneg:

esperegu: please paste the output mythbackend -v most to a pastebin

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esperegu:

janneg: k. I now get other output after the reboot it seems. hold on.

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janneg:

does it work now?

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esperegu:

janneg: no

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esperegu:

janneg: http://pastebin.com/ZVYxk4tA

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janneg:

esperegu: does /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 exists and has the user running mythbackend permission to use it?

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esperegu:

janneg: hmpf. it does not exist

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esperegu:

that's weird

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janneg:

esperegu: any other files in /dev/dvb? dmesg | grep -i dvb

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esperegu:

janneg: http://pastebin.com/h0CU9dKp

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janneg:

esperegu: there's something messed up with your dvb kernel modules

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esperegu:

janneg: gues the last update did taht

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esperegu:

hmmm

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esperegu:

janneg: I did a : dpkg -i v4l2-ngene-modules_510e37da759e-0ubuntu1~ppa1i_all.deb

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esperegu:

you know how I can deinstall that an restore previous state?

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esperegu:

janneg: will een -r do the trick?

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janneg:

I've no idea

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esperegu:

janneg: will try then =)

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esperegu:

inrecoverable recorder error it now saids

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esperegu:

and then that it's using all inputs

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esperegu:

janneg: dmesg: http://pastebin.com/0Xnfe0XA

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esperegu:

janneg: the mythbackend.log: http://pastebin.com/EE5Af2kw

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esperegu:

on the bottom you can see teh error that it tries to connect to itself

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janneg:

esperegu: I've no idea, you could try to delete all capture cards and recreate them

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esperegu:

janneg: I already tried that multiple times

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janneg:

esperegu: mythbackend -v network,socket,extra

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esperegu:

janneg: what does that doL

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esperegu:

?

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janneg:

esperegu: other verbose logging options which hopefully shows what's wrong

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esperegu:

janneg: so I should kill mythbackend and run it manually?

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janneg:

or just set the verbose options

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esperegu:

janneg: let me figure out where =)

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esperegu:

janneg: with -v: http://pastebin.com/fu2G7aZ5

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janneg:

and still not working?

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janneg:

I have no idea what causes the "ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!"

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esperegu:

janneg: it supposed not to happen I would say:http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3720

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janneg:

could you try -v all and just paste 80 lines before and 20 after the error

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sphery:

dibbz: can you pastebin a complete mythbackend log section with mythbackend running at -v important,general,file as was done in the ticket, please

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sphery:

esperegu: I think you have a localhost issue--you're using an IP address of 127.0.0.1 somewhere and probably shouldn't be

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esperegu:

janneg: sure. have to reboot again for that. be back in a sec.

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sphery:

esperegu: the problem with recording, though, is likely due to broken Input Connections configuration--based on, "Scheduler, Warning: Listings source 'whatever' is defined, but is not attached to a card input." appearing 4 times.

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sphery:

do you actually have 5 video sources defined and have at least one connected to an input on a card?

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janneg:

sphery: I don't know where the localhost issue is could be coming from. backendserverips and masterbackendip are clear

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esperegu:

sphery: yeah. one source was there by default and I added 4 of which one is connected to a lnb on the dvb-s card (has 4 lnb's)

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sphery:

ok, as long as you have at least one attached

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sphery:

so you have actual routable IP's in all BackendServerIP and MasterServerIP settings and no 127.0.0.1? It looks like you're using localhost for the DB host name, which works, but requires a different DB conf on other hosts.

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sphery:

the connecting back to itself may just be an issue with slow hardware (as we get occasional reports of that--like in that ticket you referenced--but it only seems to happen to a select few users, most of whom have very slow hardware)

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esperegu:

janneg: http://pastebin.com/cAFwv0p2

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esperegu:

sphery: when I run mythsetup the first general screen has the ip 192.168.80.1 2 times

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esperegu:

which is the machine itself

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sphery:

esperegu: and no other hosts are configured?

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esperegu:

sphery: they are configured but not turned on.

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janneg:

sphery: there are a couple of other hosts but only one has a card and uses 192.168.80.5

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esperegu:

janneg: that IP was in the list 2 times. (for 2 hostnames) is that a problem?

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sphery:

that might be... I'd clean up all 127.0.0.1's and redundant IP's: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value IN ('MasterServerIP', 'BackendServerIP');"

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esperegu:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/E4vrVFaC

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esperegu:

sphery: maybe that NULL should be dcerouter ??

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sphery:

no, NULL makes it a global setting, and MasterServerIP is a global

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sphery:

so it's right

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sphery:

I'd fix the moon95 to use a different IP address

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sphery:

you should probably restart mythbackend to ensure you pick up the change properly

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sphery:

(or fix moon105--whichever :)

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esperegu:

sphery: can I just remove moon95 somehow?

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esperegu:

how should I do that?

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sphery:

esperegu: that's much more difficult to do properly... it's probably better to just change the data

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esperegu:

sphery: how?

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sphery:

we don't really have a "Delete host" functionality

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esperegu:

sphery: that moon95 is not in use anymore. how should I fix it then?

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sphery:

esperegu: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE settings SET data = '192.168.80.95' WHERE value = 'BackendServerIP' AND hostname = 'moon95';"

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esperegu:

ok. done. will reboot and see what happens =)

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sphery:

hope it helps

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esperegu:

sphery: still the same

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esperegu:

:-(

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

I mean :(

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sphery:

(keys too close together)

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iamlindoro:

sphery is mean

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

not on purpose

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iamlindoro:

sure

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sphery:

esperegu: I don't know what might cause it, then... Maybe just some race condition that's only hit on some hardware???

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esperegu:

sphery: is there a way to reset the configuration?

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sphery:

which configuration?

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esperegu:

sphery: well of the database

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sphery:

easiest way is to start over

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i think you may have missed one of the escaped characters, youve gotta catch em all

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sphery:

if you have some recordings, you can do a partial restore

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esperegu:

sphery: how?

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iamlindoro:

har har har

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esperegu:

I don't have any recordings. I can reset mythtv

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esperegu:

I already removed it before.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: It was the only search term that come to me off the top of my head that would have lots of results

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esperegu:

but the db was still containing old card entries.

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esperegu:

which did not show

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esperegu:

sphery: what would you suggest then?

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sphery:

esperegu: to truly start over, you'd use: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/dy1U13aE (but you'd need to reconfigure everything from scratch and would lose any recordings and recording rules and recording history)

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sphery:

esperegu: if you want to start over and maintain your recordings/rules/history, you'd use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup

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wagnerrp:

roundcubemail does not like large imap folders at all

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: how large? 50K+?

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wagnerrp:

currently, 2400

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wagnerrp:

it just takes a long time to load the list

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highzeth:

what? that cant be right, something is off somewhere then

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wagnerrp:

'long' being ~8–10 seconds

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highzeth:

hmm still, takes ~3–4 for my 20K+ to load

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wagnerrp:

could be my slow server (1.8 opteron)

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highzeth:

sure, but even on slower spec p4's Ive never seen that kinda load time. 5–6 has been max and then on rediculously large imap folders

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wagnerrp:

maybe something finicky going on with the imap server itself

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highzeth:

what imapd are you running?

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wagnerrp:

courier

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highzeth:

same here

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highzeth:

err I lie, I changed to dovecot last years :X

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highzeth:

oh how the brain love to play that game with me

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highzeth:

but I run courier elsewhere, only reason for the change was that I wanted to test out managesieve in a diff imapd

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wagnerrp:

has to be the server... takes 3 seconds to load with no changes, 15 seconds when there are mail changes

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highzeth:

ugh, yeah thats not good

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highzeth:

well, if you want to consider trying a diff imapd, I have notn but love so far for dovecot. =)

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wagnerrp:

from watching top and some googling, seems theres some deadlock issue with ZFS on freebsd

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** sphery is a Courier man **

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highzeth:

ouch

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sphery:

oh, wait, maybe I mean a Cyrus man

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sphery:

I guess I don't even know what kind of man I am

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highzeth:

hehe =)

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wagnerrp:

full cyrus? or just authlib?

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sphery:

full cyrus

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sphery:

includings sasl

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highzeth:

speaking of load times, I remember the day I changed from mbox to maildir, boy did that do wonders.. ahh good ol days

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wagnerrp:

i should probably have a lot more memory in this machine

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johnnyj:

i've got a load of 1.0 that I can't seem to track down

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johnnyj:

i've been having prebuffering pauses creep up on me

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wagnerrp:

top lists nothing?

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highzeth:

whats your wait% look like?

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johnnyj:

top shows top on top

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johnnyj:

no idea where to find wait

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highzeth:

on the cpu line(s) %wa

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johnnyj:

0,0

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johnnyj:

0.0 rather

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highzeth:

thats not it then

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johnnyj:

i even stop the mythbackend load is sitting at 1.0

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johnnyj:

i suspect recently installed updates

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highzeth:

restarted/loaded 'all' daemons?

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johnnyj:

i've stopped mysql and apache

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johnnyj:

load is 1.09 – 1.12

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highzeth:

what kernel are you on?

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johnnyj:

2.6.31-21-generic

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johnnyj:

Ubuntu 2.6.31–21.59-generic

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johnnyj:

brb

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johnnyj:

stupid x server wont start when the hdmi monitor is powered off

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stevieman:

I have a Pinnacle 800i and I am able to scan on the ATSC tuner and find channels but on the Analog tuner I cannot scan for channels all I can do is Fetch channels from Listing Source and that does nothing

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stevieman:

Do I need a seperate video source defined for Digital OTA and Analog OTA?

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wagnerrp:

you should, yes

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wagnerrp:

you have analog OTA to record?

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wagnerrp:

analog scanning does not work in 0.22

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stevieman:

yah we still have some analog stations around

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wagnerrp:

but you shouldnt be doing it anyway, you should be pulling from schedules direct

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stevieman:

alright, so I need to setup another feed in schedules direct for Analog, edit it for the analog channels in my area and then use that to pull the channels in for A-OTA

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stevieman:

thanks wagnerrp: the wiki article for the pinnacle 800i says to scan for Analog so I was a bit lost

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wagnerrp:

what wiki article?

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stevieman:

this one http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_%28800i%29

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stevieman:

arg, schedules direct won't let me have 2 of the same lineups

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wagnerrp:

they shouldnt be the same lineup

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wagnerrp:

it should have independent lineups for analog and digital

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, you can grab a lineup for one ZIP code over

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: genius the other postal code worked just fine

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wagnerrp:

does the 800i exist in DVB/PAL form as well?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt seem so

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stevieman:

I don't think so

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dustybin:

i just bought a O2 joggler :D

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all

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ThisOtherGuy:

are there any recommended ways for how the wife could *easily* watch videos from myth on her windows vista box?

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wagnerrp:

run mythfrontend on it

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wagnerrp:

use mythfs/mythlink to make human readable names, and share over samba

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wagnerrp:

use mythweb and recording streaming

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johnnyj:

what's the latest on ext4 ?

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johnnyj:

thumbs up or down ?

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: seems to be getting picked up as the primary FS for modern distros

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wagnerrp:

i guess that means its stable enough

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johnnyj:

do i need to worry about taking it down to defrag it ?

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johnnyj:

ah – nm- according to http://polishlinux.org/apps/cli/ext4-defragme . . . th-e4defrag/ – no and there's instructs on checking it

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ThisOtherGuy:

videolan + samba seems to be a winner for me – thanks again wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

<any player> + samba

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dustybin:

samba = fugly windows hack

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wagnerrp:

personally, i think videolan looks like crap

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wagnerrp:

i think youve got it backwards

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wagnerrp:

samba = linux/unix hack to implement SMB and CIFS outside of windows

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ThisOtherGuy:

Windows Media Player didn't seem to work – do you have a suggestions for another media player?

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johnnyj:

other than vlc (videolan) ?

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ThisOtherGuy:

johnnyj: yeah

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johnnyj:

not for vista – i use VLC when i'm trapped on windows

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wagnerrp:

anything themable, or that doesnt look like a word processor

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wagnerrp:

ThisOtherGuy: i forgot about that, WMP will be able to stream directly from the backend over UPNP

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: VLC is a decent enough video player, but IMHO it looks like crap

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wagnerrp:

and any directshow player plus ffdshow will be able to play everything but nupplevideo recordings

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johnnyj:

wagnerrp: for the wife on Vista it's probably a great solution

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ThisOtherGuy:

warnerrp: any suggestiions for a directshow player?

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wagnerrp:

personally, ive always used zoomplayer

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ThisOtherGuy:

k – I'll try that – thanks

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wagnerrp:

'directshow' means any player that uses windows's video decode api

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to things like VLC which precompile in all their codecs

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if this Douglas Peale has ever tried to use a 3D display for any extended period

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johnnyj:

if im working on setting up the transcoder wrapper stub and I want to test it

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johnnyj:

should I attempt to run it manually with a chanid and starttime?

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Captain_Murdoch:

johnnyj, probably easiest unless you want to create a fake job and mark it processed so the jobqueue doesn't pick it up before you get a chance to test.

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/fake//

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: you see anything in there i missed?

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Captain_Murdoch:

didn't look it over too closely, haven't had a lot of practice grokking python. :) I did bookmark it because I wanted to test with HandBrakeCLI

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Captain_Murdoch:

even for using it as a user job as a compliment to mythtranscode.

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johnnyj:

that's what im trying to do

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johnnyj:

it ended successfully but AFAICT nothing happenned

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kth:

good evening – can anyone give me an advice ? i try to setup mythbuntu backend (dvb-s2) with tt s2–3600 – its already detected and shown but i can't do a channelsearch but what i really wonder about i can do a channelsearch by w_scan utility so i thought okay lets do it this way "w_scan -fs -c DE -s S19E2 -X > channels.conf" and then import the channels.conf but mythtv says %1 no channel found or something like this – anyone an id

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kth:

additional information: s2–3600 is behind a 5/8 multiswitch and i can't enable diseq under tv card settings because when i try this there is just "(unconnected)" (which is not the truth)

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iamlindoro:

diseqc isn't autodetect, you build the tree

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iamlindoro:

You highlight "autodetect" (press down once) and hit enter, and build your map/tree

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kth:

iamlindoro: sry where can i press autodetect? when i click on DiSEqC there is just a row (Unconnected)

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iamlindoro:

It's not a row, it's a menu

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iamlindoro:

press down once, hit enter

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Tann:

When MythMusic plays a CD, playback pauses every 15 or so seconds and then resumes a moment later after buffering.

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Tann:

how could I go about fixing this?

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mrand:

iamlindoro: I can't find a good place to point people for scanner questions... what is best?

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iamlindoro:

mrand: That is an excellent question-- I have no idea whatsoever

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iamlindoro:

mrand: *I* can't make heads or tails of the new scanner-- I have pleaded for documentation but none has been written

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iamlindoro:

So I have no idea what hundreds of random hashed duplicates means, no idea what the channel types are meant to mean, etc.

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kth:

iamlindoro: i can now setup diseqc but when i now try to import my channels.conf or search for channels i get for example programmer exception tune completed not catched – sry of this not origin message i have to retranslate because of german language settings :)

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iamlindoro:

If I knew, I would write the docs myself, but I don't

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iamlindoro:

kth: channels.conf import has problems, use a tuned scan

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iamlindoro:

kth: Scan a single known transponder and I believe there is an option to then search all known transponders based on the first

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kth:

iamlindoro: do i have to manually give in a single transponder at complete search (tuned) ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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kth:

iamlindoro: well ok i'll try this

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kth:

iamlindoro: sry no channel found .. i tried by using a transponder which signal was ok by w_scan utility – any new ideas ?

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iamlindoro:

only that it's definitely a configuration error, but as I don't use DVB I can't help you

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wagnerrp:

does mythmusic upnp maintain its own list? or does it pull off the mythmusic tables?

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iamlindoro:

Think it uses the tables

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kth:

iamlindoro: ok even that thank you for your help – is there any base configuration/documentation for setups with diseqc and multiswitches ?

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iamlindoro:

kth: None that isn't out of date I am afraid :( Maybe at some point I will go back through, set up a dish a rewrite what I wrote before, but for now there's really nothing unfortunately

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j-rod:

wewt. I have receive on an mce transceiver working as a pure input device.

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wagnerrp:

just not seeming to work

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kth:

iamlindoro: thats a pity but i'll tell you the solution if i found one :)

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j-rod:

die, lirc, die

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if my scan is just years old, and no longer valid

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iamlindoro:

kth: sounds great, thanks

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: very cool

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kth:

iamlindoro: i've to thank you ;)

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j-rod:

unfortunately, in the process, I've broken reception on my 1st-gen mce transceiver

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iamlindoro:

kth: It's possible there might be people in #mythtv-de that might know german DVB-S better/be able to help you in german

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j-rod:

but I'll get that fixed up next

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j-rod:

need to suppress repeats too, or make the repeat inter-delay longer

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j-rod:

but otherwise, working smashingly well

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: hey, can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs!

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j-rod:

there's also no transmit support atmâ€¦ :)

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j-rod:

but that'll get added back when I finish an lirc codec plugin for ir-core

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justdave:

so I'm trying to get the channel changing to work on my hd-pvr...

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justdave:

I have the lirc drivers installed, and the channel change script successfully changes the channel on the cable box when I invoke it manually from the command line

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justdave:

when myth tries to do it, it crashes

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justdave:

(trying it from livetv to test – the livetv function in the frontend is what crashes, it goes back to the menu with a "Irrecoverable recorder error" message

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justdave:

backend log says: "TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started"

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justdave:

er, that's frontend, sorry

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justdave:

and that's the only thing that looks like an error

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iamlindoro:

Did you put sufficient sleep in after your channel change?

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iamlindoro:

The HD-PVR is very sensitive to having a full, stable signal before starting recording

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iamlindoro:

see the wiki for the suggested patches for Live TV

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iamlindoro:

also, you should try a recording to test, live TV is a bad test

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iamlindoro:

as it introduces all sorts of extra instability to the test

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justdave:

like have the channel change script sleep before exiting?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

many people report needing multiple seconds of sleep for Live TV

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iamlindoro:

personally I don't deal with it because I don't touch live TV

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iamlindoro:

all this info is in the wiki

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justdave:

oh, trying to use Y and C from the livetv app fails, too. C gives the same error as above, Y does nothing, and all further keyboard/remote input is ignored (have to kill mythfrontend and restart it)

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iamlindoro:

again, please don't consider live TV a test

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highzeth:

kth: 5/8 Multiswitch, with 19.2E as the only source(quad lnb) or 2x dual?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: what happens if something happens, like a news flash, dont you stick on live TV? or do you watch news from a few days ago?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: No, I don't. I pull up the guide, look at all of my options at once, and hit R on the right one, saving me from wasting time channel surfing

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iamlindoro:

So I can be watching my "live" news before you can even get to the right channel for yours

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johnnyj:

i have an HDPVR and it works fine in Live Tv – i use firewire and 6200ch to tune

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kth:

highzeth: only one universal lnb as only source

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dustybin:

heh ok

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: false comparison, every model of box and firmware within models will vary

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highzeth:

kth: well, then you shouldnt need to fiddle with DiSEqC settings, just choose LNB as the first option in the tree

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justdave:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR is what I've been running from for setup

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro: box = hdpvr?

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iamlindoro:

justdave: correct, and that covers the livetv issues specific to the HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: box = STB

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: if you do that, does your recordings directory fill up fast?

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kth:

highzeth: we already tried to setup using just universal lnb but whenever i try to search i became a channels not found exception

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: No. Not that it really matters since a full drive is never even a remote possibility

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dustybin:

aye ok

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highzeth:

kth: hmm and you inserted a valid transponder, right polarity & fec before the scan?

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kth:

highzeth: right – i scanned at console before with w_scan utility which gave me a channels.conf – but i can't import

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highzeth:

no, put that aside, you need to do a full tune, and use fi; 11053000 (Horizontal) with 22000000 & 5/6 FEC

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justinh:

people who put all their eggs in w_scan must have more patience than I

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kth:

highzeth: yes i tried a full search by using 10744 H 22000 5/6 QPSK and i set 22000000 in myth ... so it should work or not ?

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justinh:

I tried it once & found it incredibly slow

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justinh:

kth: I think you need the freq to be in khz

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highzeth:

you set 22000000, but did you also set 10744000 ?

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justinh:

lord only knows why

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justinh:

actually at some point it might be useful to add a *units* field in there so the user can choose themselves – aside from having an all-knowing wizardy thingy in there too

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highzeth:

ideally one could have a pulldown menu there and choose the satellite, then pull transponder from fi linuxtv's dvb-apps transponder lists =)

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justinh:

yeah or services.mythtv.org

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justinh:

or have em built-in & make it aware of online updates

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highzeth:

sure, or that, didnt know about it =)

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kth:

highzeth: well you could be right one second

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justinh:

the problem will be – as always – that it can be hard to keep abreast of changes

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justinh:

I mean I was the one who had to point out UK dvb-t changing modulation mode after digital switchover ;)

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highzeth:

sure, but it will only need 1 transponder per sat, so its not too daunting to keep updated

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wagnerrp:

one of the guys at work is playing the starcraft 2 demo, they give you five placement matches to figure out what league you should be in

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wagnerrp:

he got placed in the 'diamond' league after he won two rounds, and won by default in the other three because the other user had flaky internet and was kicked out of the game

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justinh:

haha yay!

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wagnerrp:

hes going to get raped in the diamond league

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wagnerrp:

luckily it was someone elses account, so someone else is going to get raped in the diamond league

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wagnerrp:

luckily it was someone elses account, so someone else is going to get raped in the diamond league

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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justinh:

oo something reminds me. I need to edit my frontend's lircrc to change OK from space to enter

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justinh:

whoah. I'd never actually noticed how fast the new frontend install boots

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kth1:

highzeth: you're right ... the zeros at the end of frequency had blown my kernel module of s2–3600 through trash :) reboot and scanning again with some little change of timeouts at card and it finds programs ;) thank you all

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justinh:

I just ssh'd in, couldn't be bothered to restart anything so just rebooted. back in under 30s

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justinh:

from BIOS to frontend in under 30s.. nice

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justinh:

might be less, I wasn't counting

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highzeth:

kth1: goody

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johnnyj:

ok so the transcode wrapper stub returns immediately with no output

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johnnyj:

'/usr/local/bin/transcode_stub.py --chanid 2161 --starttime 20100525170000'

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justinh:

29 seconds from BIOS to full frontend loading. LOL

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justinh:

and that's without getting rid of GNOME & doing further bootup tweaking

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bjd:

why are you surprised?

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justinh:

I knew they'd brought upstart in etc, but it's pretty spiffy

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al1as:

hey guys

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justinh:

didn't expect such an improvement is all

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al1as:

how are you? :)

[21:11:14]

al1as:

any way someone can help me configure my tvtuner please?

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justinh:

depends what you mean by configure.. and what kind of tuner it is.. and what program you want to use with it

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al1as:

WinFast PalmTop TV (usb). Ubuntu 10.04 won't recognize it.

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justdave:

it's getting a "failed to set channel" error when it dies, on the backend log (when it tries to start recording)

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al1as:

justinh: it doesn't matter what program right now. I just want to know if there is way to turn it on.

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justdave:

but the ir transmitter never blinks

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iamlindoro:

al1as: Did you check whether it's supported in linux?

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justdave:

the channel change script specified in the input definition matches what I successfully tried from the command line

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iamlindoro:

(because it's not)

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al1as:

iamlindoro: I cannot find any information about it at all. That's the reason I'm asking here.

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iamlindoro:

did you check linuxtv.org?

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al1as:

iamlindoro: I did

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al1as:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/7g0tFahQ – my dmesg

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iamlindoro:

Should have checked harder, took me one search

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iamlindoro:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek_WinFast_PalmTop_TV

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iamlindoro:

Not supported in linux

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al1as:

iamlindoro: =( sorry, could not find this one

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al1as:

iamlindoro: thanks anyway

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iamlindoro:

yw

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al1as:

iamlindoro: there is no way it will be supported somehow?

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iamlindoro:

Sure, if you write a driver for it

[21:18:02]

iamlindoro:

That's pretty much the only way

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iamlindoro:

Someone, somewhere needs to write a driver for it

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justinh:

good ole leadtek winfail

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johnnyj:

wow I really don't know what to do with http://mythtv.org/wiki/Transcode_wrapper_stub

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johnnyj:

it's not even returning the usage if i fail to send it args

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dustybin:

justinh: did you install nbr on your joggler?

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al1as:

iamlindoro: I know that. Just asked. Thank you.

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al1as:

Good night guys!

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Greek-Boy:

my gconf says it filed to connect to the configuration server

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Greek-Boy:

I get something like Conf-CRITICAL **: gconf_value_free: assertion `value != NULL' failed

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Greek-Boy:

i googled but can't seem to find a solution for my case

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Greek-Boy:

:-(

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iamlindoro:

... What has that got to do with MythTV?

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Greek-Boy:

nothing at all

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Greek-Boy:

but I was wondering if anyone else here experienced the same after ubuntu distro-upgrade

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iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy: Ask in #ubuntu please

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Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: ok, thanks

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honk^away:

[07:40:08] <wagnerrp> what are you wanting to port? <-- sorry for leaving so suddenly =) just my own tiny thingy :]

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honk^away:

can you point me to the mythui docs you mentioned? =)

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Coded1:

hello all

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Nixon:

<all> Hello Coded1!

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Coded1:

Hi Nixon

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Coded1:

lol

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Coded1:

that was quick

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Coded1:

its almost like you were waiting to say hello ...

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Coded1:

I'm setting up MythTV from Mythbuntu clean install (10.04) just downloaded and installed all updates and graphics drivers for my box and all seems to be going well. MythVideo does not seem to be picking up my videos though. When I start 'mythfrontend' from the terminal I get messages like "buildFileList directory = myth://Videos@Bigscreen/media/Media/Media/video/" which aside from the redundant directory stru

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Coded1:

cture would be the correct location but does not read any videos. I press 'm' and scan for changes but the progress bar flashes up and finishes in about half a second with no progress, any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

ugh, has Nixon turned his bot back on?

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iamlindoro:

!see Nixon

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iamlindoro:

!seen Nixon

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MythLogBot:

Nixon is here and has been idle for 12 minutes 35 seconds

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iamlindoro:

Good.

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Coded1:

its quiet in here

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Coded1:

marco....

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Coded1:

hello all

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Nixon:

<all> Hello Coded1!

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Coded1:

heh

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iamlindoro:

grrrr

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iamlindoro:

Nixon, the bot stuff needs to all be turned off in this channel-- we have our *own* bot

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Mandingo-Builder:

can some one tell me what the enable string is to enable dvb-s2 support at compilation time

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Coded1:

Mandingo-Builder, you mean when compiling the kernel?

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Coded1:

for hardware support?

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Mandingo-Builder:

no when you run ./configure i notice that dvb-s2 support is disabled by default

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Mandingo-Builder:

i have tried different --enable switches but cant seem to find the right one to enable it

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Coded1:

Mandingo-Builder, what are you compiling exactly and what distro are you building on?

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Mandingo-Builder:

compiling myth .23 on 10.04 and 8.10

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iamlindoro:

Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu 8.10

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iamlindoro:

(pet peeve)

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Mandingo-Builder:

yep

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Coded1:

Mandingo-Builder, are you sure its not looking for dvb-s2 hardware support from the kernel? Can you access DVB-s2 content from other apps?

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Mandingo-Builder:

yes

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Coded1:

can you paste the line that says its disabled?

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Mandingo-Builder:

DVB support yes [/usr/include]

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Mandingo-Builder:

DVB-S2 support no

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Mandingo-Builder:

HDHomeRun support yes

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Mandingo-Builder:

when i run ./configure

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Coded1:

seems to be a library issue

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Coded1:

do you have a library in your neighbourhood?

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Mandingo-Builder:

haha

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Mandingo-Builder:

has no one else had this with .23

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Coded1:

ask the librarian about it and they will show you which one to get

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Coded1:

i wanted a dvb s2 card for a while, im kinda jealous to tell ya the truth

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Coded1:

was curious how it would work with sat testing ...

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Mandingo-Builder:

well dont be doesnt mean shit if i cant get it working :P

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Coded1:

lol

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Mandingo-Builder:

so is there a workaround for this

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Coded1:

its a library issue, try hunting around for it using "sudo aptitude search dvb" or synaptic

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Mandingo-Builder:

ok will do thanks

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Coded1:

np good luck

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iamlindoro:

Mandingo-Builder, Channel rules against profanity

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iamlindoro:

It's being disabled because some S2 header it's looking for is missing

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iamlindoro:

specifically, it checks your linux headers to see if the dvb frontend header specifies 2G modulations-- if it doesn't, you lack the required headers

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Coded1:

i think hes going to ask his librarian right now ....

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Coded1:

:)

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sphery:

where Linux headers don't mean the headers used for the running Linux kernel, but mean the Linux headers used to build the running libc--so depending on distro/system design, you may be using much older kernel headers than kernel

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