Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, May 22nd, 2010, 00:13 UTC

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wagnerrp:

why do people never check the archives before posting...

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wagnerrp:

seriously, three completely separate threads about the google tv?

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wagnerrp:

do people think theyre the first person to have seen the device?

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wagnerrp:

'hey guys, look at this insider information i got from google'

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wagnerrp:

ive got archives from this last poster all the way back to march of last year, its not like he just signed up for the mailing list to post that

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iamlindoro:

I like the guy who "broke the news" about VP8

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iamlindoro:

very, very vaguely

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iamlindoro:

http://i.imgur.com/4AFTe.png

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iamlindoro:

Someone should respond with that ;)

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, the person using x264 is an idoit

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wagnerrp:

profile 4.0? wtf is that?

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iamlindoro:

It's one of the AVCHD profiles

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wagnerrp:

profiles are named, levels are numbered

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wagnerrp:

unless they decided to redefine that whole system for avchd

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt put it past them to do so

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iamlindoro:

Well, I understood it to mean High, Level 4.0

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wagnerrp:

i dont think theres any reason to use more than 3.1 for DVD content, certainly not 4.0

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wagnerrp:

arent most hardware decoders only designed for up to 4.1?

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iamlindoro:

Well, nothing said DVD, and it was a joke ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i get it

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wagnerrp:

well by 'dvd content', i mean anything compressed to 480p or less

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wagnerrp:

i recommended setting up Squid to the aussie complaining that his kids kept re-watching the same youtube videos and blowing his download cap

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wagnerrp:

although i wonder if that would technically violate ToS

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wagnerrp:

since youre downloading the content with something other than their official flash player

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wagnerrp:

and storing it for long term use

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wilberfan:

Jeez, I just did a dist-upgrade on my debian testing install...and it uninstalled a buttload mythtv stuff (probably all of it), and now it won't re-install it because of myriad "unmet dependencies". Anyone else run into this??

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wilberfan:

[muttering]

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wilberfan:

wonder why the repo(s) have 0.22 AND 0.23 stuff listed...?

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dashcloud:

hi, I just got a 40 in LCD and the SD channels show up distorted- the people look too sharp; someone else it looked like a soap opera picture- what is this effect and is there any way to lessen it?

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beata:

when you scan for metadata on mythvideo, how does it determine if its looking at a movie or a tv show?

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iamlindoro:

if (Season == 0 && Episode == 0) movie = true;

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beata:

makes sense

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beata:

still cant get my audio to work correctly though. I get sound but only out of 2 speakers. using spdif

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mcl0vin:

hmmm this is the 3rd time my mythtv box freez

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mcl0vin:

the HDD LED stay steady and i am forced to power it down then back up

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beata:

another stupid question in mythvideo i have series/season1 series/season2 if for whatever reason there is no metadata for season1, but there is metadata for season2. if im in the base mythvideo view i get no coverart for the series folder. is that correct behaviour?

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wagnerrp:

series and seasons do not have metadata, only individual videos

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wagnerrp:

based off a couple criteria, mythvideo will do an image hunt for images for the seasons and servers among their child videos

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wagnerrp:

s/servers/series/

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beata:

yea sorry i ment series/season1/files.avi have metadata

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wagnerrp:

the parent directory will pull images from any children files

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beata:

thats what i thought it should do

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wagnerrp:

the grandparent directory will pull images from any grandchildren files, if the name of that directory is the same as the title of the grandchild files

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wagnerrp:

in order for the title of a video to be properly set to work as such, it must have been scanned after upgrading to 0.22

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beata:

so for example I have Castle with 2 subfolders season1 and season2. Season2 videos have metadata but season1 does not. At the root level when looking at Castle, i get no cover. inside the castle folder i see coverart for Season2 and nothing for season1 (as expected). But i did except for the parent Castle folder to get the Season2 cover

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wagnerrp:

are the videos titled 'Castle' or 'Castle (2009)'?

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wagnerrp:

note that is the title in the database, not anything related to the filename

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beata:

i just looked in the db it is castle 2009

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beata:

so if I renamed the folder to Castle 2009, it would work as expected

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beata:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

or you retitle all your videos to 'Castle'

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beata:

inside the db right

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beata:

wagnerrp thanks for all the info btw

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

get 17 channels OTA with a clothes hanger

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Beirdo:

I think I'll be buying ATSC tuners

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Beirdo:

but Fox is being craptacular

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wagnerrp:

beata: yes, this could be done with a single sql command 'update videometadata set title="Castle" where title="Castle (2009)";'

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wagnerrp:

but as always, take the necessary precautions when tinkering with the database

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wagnerrp:

ive got a spider bite... or something... on the back side of my arm

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wagnerrp:

swollen to about the side of a lemon

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wagnerrp:

size

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Beirdo:

gack

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi all

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ThisOtherGuy:

can anyone help me resolve this: deleteSelected("America's Next Top Model":"Chubby Bunny") — failed delete candidate: 0 in use by freshertv (Unknown)

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ThisOtherGuy:

I don't know why it thinks it's in use

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Beirdo:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

and... you get that from mythtv?

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ThisOtherGuy:

yup

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** wagnerrp has never seen that before **

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wagnerrp:

what program?

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ThisOtherGuy:

trying to delete something via the frontend

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ThisOtherGuy:

immediately after pressing the delete button

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ThisOtherGuy:

in pbb

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ThisOtherGuy:

hmmm – pressing play and then deleting while playing seemed to work

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Beirdo:

pbbbbbbtt!

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beata:

wagnerrp: was the spider radio active?

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ThisOtherGuy:

cool – thanks all!

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ThisOtherGuy:

gn

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mcl0vin:

Beirdo: you are back

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mcl0vin:

:)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

anyone have a PVR-250 nearby?

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wagnerrp:

150 good enough?

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Beirdo:

just trying to remember exactly what analog inputs are on the backplate... mine are en-route from PR, and I'm ordering new cables from monoprice :)

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Beirdo:

probably

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wilberfan:

anyone using mythtv with debian? I'm having dependency problemos...

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Beirdo:

in particular... the audio... it's 1/8" stereo, not RCA, right?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: http://www.google.com/images?q=PVR-250

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Beirdo:

now why the heck didn't I think of that?

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

the vanilla ones are 1/8", the MCE ones are RCA

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Beirdo:

blargh

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wagnerrp:

at least thats how it is with the 150s/1600s/1800s/etc...

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Beirdo:

I forget which ones I have :)

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll order cables AFTER the tuners are here... at least those cables

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wagnerrp:

you can always pick them up for $5 at the local radio shack

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Beirdo:

or even less from monoprice if I can wait a few days

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wagnerrp:

there gets a point where convenience outweighs cheapness

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Beirdo:

for sure

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wagnerrp:

besides, you dont just have boxes of that stuff laying around?

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Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

somewhere between here and PR

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

'what kind of sick bit-- takes all the stereo cables???'

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Beirdo:

nahhh.

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** wagnerrp has to go watch True Lies now **

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Beirdo:

OK, buying one HDMI cable for the fitpc... and 2 sets of component...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxrlSuv9uNk

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Beirdo:

I will be needing either very long coax or to run multiple backends

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wagnerrp:

antenna on one end, cable on the other?

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Beirdo:

nah, directv receiver on one end, jack on the other ;)

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Beirdo:

the building has distributed DirecTV, but I'm fairly sure it will only work one per jack without me buying switching gear, but even then I need 2 jacks active

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Beirdo:

only one drop per room is the problem

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wagnerrp:

not sure how you would have distributed dtv, unless they run their own cable headend

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wagnerrp:

unless they really just have that much hardware mounted on the roof

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Beirdo:

they have a massive distribution box (for MDU)

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Beirdo:

two dishes...

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wagnerrp:

doesnt each receiver need its own LNB?

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Beirdo:

then switch all apartments to one or the other based on requested polarity

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

you just can only capture one polarity at a time?

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wagnerrp:

so you need one for each polarity for each satellite?

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Beirdo:

it needs that as there's two polarities, and switching's done by DC voltage on the feed line

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Beirdo:

you can only receive one at a time per receiver

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Beirdo:

so at the other end of each drop, it just needs to switch that drop to a dish that's always at that polarit

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Beirdo:

y

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Beirdo:

I used to run a very small version of that at home ;)

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Beirdo:

but here it distributes to like 100 or so apartments

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Beirdo:

or maybe more, I dunno :)

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Beirdo:

I have 3 drops in a 2BR apt

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Beirdo:

so likely 500–1000 drops coming from 2 dishes

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Beirdo:

I wanna go see the distribution room, but that will never happen, I'm sure

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Beirdo:

so now I have to determine HOW I wanna cable it :)

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Beirdo:

need to consider an ATSC antenna too

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wagnerrp:

hehe... iphone users have the blood of poor chinese workers in their hands

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Beirdo:

like we didn't know that

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wagnerrp:

its youre fault theyre dead

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Beirdo:

no, it's Apple's fault

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wagnerrp:

youve taken their soul, and they have no choice but to sacrifice themselves by jumping off buildings

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Beirdo:

I woulda bought it regardless

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wagnerrp:

the amazing thing is that all these suicides getting publicity, and the per capita rate is actually LOWER than the national average

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Well, and users of probably hundreds of other consumer electronics items-- it's not JUST iPhones made in that factory

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iamlindoro:

just the one the media decided to latch on to

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wagnerrp:

well yeah, they dont have 350k users dedicated solely to making iphones

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iamlindoro:

Odds are fairly good most of the droid phones are made in that same factory

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wagnerrp:

crack open your computer, and i guarantee theres at least half a dozen foxconn parts in there

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iamlindoro:

Kind of what I was getting at

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iamlindoro:

there's been no indication that this worker even assembled iphones

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Beirdo:

jeez, all electronics uses foxconn nearly

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Beirdo:

so... how many ATSC drops should I plan on, I wonder :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why the media even latched onto this one

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Beirdo:

because they are bored of oil spills

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wagnerrp:

i mean the national average suicide rate in china is 20–25/yr/100k

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Beirdo:

bet it's a lot higher in Seattle

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wagnerrp:

over 300k people housed in the dormitories of that plant, and what... 8? in the past several months?

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wagnerrp:

heh... the US has a lower rate than Canada

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wagnerrp:

we kill you before you get the chance to commit suicide

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Beirdo:

well, and Canada winters are more depressing

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Beirdo:

meh, I'll order the cables later

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Beirdo:

or at least some of em

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Beirdo:

heh

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beata:

hmm thetvdb dosent have this show

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iamlindoro:

Good news!

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beata:

well not in english anyways

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iamlindoro:

That means you get to add it!

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iamlindoro:

And get a warm feeling from having helped the community

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wagnerrp:

horray for contributing

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beata:

ha

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wagnerrp:

what show?

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beata:

Seven_Days

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iamlindoro:

Don't laugh, I'm 100% serious

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iamlindoro:

the stuff doesn't get put up there by itself, it relies on us to do it

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wagnerrp:

they have it... just not in english, oddly

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beata:

yea

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wagnerrp:

i caught some reruns of that on spike a while back

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wagnerrp:

but i never remember it actually being on the air

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beata:

its a decent show

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beata:

and haray for regex

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Beirdo:

raw garlic can be quite overpoweringly spicy :)

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Beirdo:

but oh so good

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beata:

hmm running jamu.py on a myth snapshot of today i get the following error after jamu finishes. Exception SystemError: 'error return without exception set' in <bound method BEConnection.__del__ of <MythTV.MythBase.BEConnection object at 0x1334ed0>> ignored

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wagnerrp:

harmless bug with the object destructor, can be ignored

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beata:

roger

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beata:

just makin sure im not spinning my wheels, if i have spdif out to a av system. I should be able to get 5.1 out right?

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Beirdo:

OK this looks retarded

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wagnerrp:

only compressed in AC3 or DTS

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beata:

when i enable either or or both, i only here loud static

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Beirdo:

watching Fox... in HD... a commercial went to 4:3 with a letterboxed 16:9 commercial in it

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Beirdo:

way to go

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Beirdo:

so I had a black framed commercial

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beata:

wagnerrp, from what i can see my av recv should support ac3 or dts

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[R]:

Beirdo: those are the bgest

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Wicked:

hmmm...i added a new user job.....using the mythlink.pl...is there a way to enable that user job on all rules? will be very tedious to have to enable this job for every single recording rule

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iamlindoro:

Why not just cron it for 5 and 35 after the hour? Or assign it to the "recording started" event in the event manager?

[05:05:25]

Wicked:

both very good ideas which i had not thought of.....ill have to look into the even manager

[05:05:39]

Wicked:

would prefer that route over a external cronjob :)

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

i cant seem to find the docs for that

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Wicked:

is there any kinda wiki entry for the event manager?

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Wicked:

im not fiding it via google or the wiki search

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events

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Wicked:

ah. the wiki search box...i searched for "event" and did not see that

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beata:

hmm how does mythweb work with multiple storage groups for video?

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Beirdo:

does it?

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wagnerrp:

theres only the one storage group, 'Videos'

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Beirdo:

mmm

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beata:

multiple directories for Videos

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wagnerrp:

mythweb only works with local content

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Beirdo:

so nice to have a TV again

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23, it will use the Videos storage group, but only for folders defined on that host

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beata:

aye i have 2 folders defined for that group, but i have to manually create a symbolic link in mythweb/data to one of my folders defined in videos

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know why that is

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beata:

so when I click on a video not in that folder i get a 404

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt be, as the code no longer needs access from those folders

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beata:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

the mythvideo storage group support in mythweb needs some work

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beata:

got ya not a big deal for me anyways was just curious

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Wicked:

ok so i added a new system even for the recording started...do i need to enable anything or will it just start doing its thing?

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Beirdo:

what's the preferred ATSC tuner these days (preferrably dual)

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Beirdo:

HVR-2250?

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justinh:

dunno :)

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justinh:

eep. not even 8.15am & I'm theming.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

happy Saturday

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Beirdo:

just past midnight here

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justinh:

http://imagebin.ca/img/8EettR.jpg – needs new icons & crap

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Beirdo:

crap is overrated :)

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Beirdo:

yer off to a good start

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Beirdo:

although you may want a smidge more clearance above the preview :)

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justinh:

aye

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Beirdo:

definitely better than I'd be able to do

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justinh:

really needed the variable button size stuff to pull the group list off as I always wanted to :)

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justinh:

I think I *am* going to support all the fanart things but not on the main pages.. like put em on info sections instead

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Beirdo:

cool

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justinh:

for uk tv, there are quite a few shows which don't have the artwork so dedicating areas to them would mostly be a waste of space

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justinh:

but best of all, there only seem to be iamlindoro's themes & this one which scale to a 4:3 aspect & don't get messed up

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Beirdo:

oh, man. working ATSC is so nice

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Beirdo:

after non-working for so long, especially

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Beirdo:

and I'll have DirecTV in about 8h

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justinh:

woot

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justinh:

hmm now I'm wondering if the programme info widget can actually display images

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Beirdo:

and I have a pretty good IPA in the fridge

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Beirdo:

and some good smoked salmon...

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Beirdo:

life is good, all things being considered

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justinh:

sure it'll be a breeze to add images to that widget

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Beirdo:

sounds like yer having fun

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justinh:

heh yeah. slicing my time between decorating the nursery (used to be the computer room where the backend lived) & everything else.

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Beirdo:

nursery?

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Beirdo:

I'm assuming for a child, not trees

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justinh:

if I can finish the theme & hack a bit more UI code before the boy is born I'll be content for a bit

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justinh:

yeah due on July 19

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Beirdo:

I guess congrats are in order

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Beirdo:

OMG, my legs are not taking the transition from sedentary slob to someone who is walking daily too well

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justinh:

thanks. kinda freaks me out to think it's actually going to happen

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justinh:

mustn't forget I have to sort out my UPS monitoring today too. had to spend 2 nights this week fixing mythtv – one to fix the backend, one to do the frontend

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Beirdo:

fun times

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justinh:

fs corruption took out tables & a bunch of files

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Beirdo:

oh jeez

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Beirdo:

that's never fun

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justinh:

not 'recorded' though, thankfully. and only one recording (in progress) was lost

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justinh:

heh the power went out a few times last Monday

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Beirdo:

yuck

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I'll be heading for bed after this show...

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justinh:

I have housework to do. wanna get it done before the sun hits the lawn ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that's just not my life anymore... in so many ways

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Beirdo:

1) apartment... 2) Seattle – rarely sunny.... 3) no lawn as apartment :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

i need to mow the lawn for the first time this year

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justinh:

where I live you can generally count the number of sunny days in a month on one hand. one finger in some months

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justinh:

we're gonna have a high of 27 today apparently

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[R]:

i think it was over 90 today

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justinh:

I wish everybody went metric

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justinh:

90 is pretty hot for UK peeps, I do know that :)

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[R]:

all i want to do is fix the chapters in this mkv, why does mkvmerge suck so much

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justinh:

I think I'll stick to using other containers

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clever:

getting up to 26 these days here, sometimes more

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justinh:

don't need subs & junk :)

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[R]:

i just have video audio and the chapters

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[R]:

so i thought i was gonna go on a date this afternoon... although the girl is being a little flaky... think i'll finally get to finishing that patch

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justinh:

hmmm code vs afternoon delight. afternoon delight always wins, when available

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[R]:

well shes the one that was pratically begging me to ask her out "oh i have no plans as of now!"

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[R]:

like seously... who says that

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justinh:

prolly means "until I get a better offer"

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[R]:

rofl

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justinh:

it was bad enough being single before web 2.0. hate to think what it's like now

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achew22:

Does anyone know what causes Graphite to change colors?

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justinh:

er.. random background colours?

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justinh:

I thought that was supposed to happen

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achew22:

so it is just random?

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justinh:

if I remember right it is yeah

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justinh:

you could stop it either by editing the theme xml (dunno which one) or renaming files

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achew22:

my roomate has been tracking it for 2 or 3 days writing down the color and the recording state trying to figure out if they are related. I think I'm going to let him finish his survey

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justinh:

lol

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achew22:

:)

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achew22:

is it possible for a theme to change based on recording state?

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justinh:

interesting, but I don't think so

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justinh:

some elements can change based on certain states – which is how recording/transcoding etc icons & text work

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achew22:

are there conditionals in the theme files?

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[R]:

blarg... i spent all that time regenerating the mkv, and myth doesn't even use the chapter name

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justinh:

yeah there you go.. Graphite/backgrounds/background1.png background2.png background3.png

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achew22:

I'm looking at MythUI Theme Development right now and I don't see anything on there about that

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achew22:

justinh: the best part of this is that my roommate is a psycology major and he just finished a class where they spent a month on perceived trends

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justinh:

achew22: I dunno if it's documented (I'd expect it to, iamlindoro did a good number on the wiki) – but where a directory is specified for an imagetype filename mythui will use a random image from there

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justinh:

here we go

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justinh:

"The filename attribute can *also* be a directory name (which must end in "/"). This will select and display a random image from the directory. The directory can be relative to the theme directory or absolute path. "

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achew22:

so you don't have to explicitly define /ThemeName/bgs/background{1,2,3,4,5}.png you can just say /ThemeName/bgs/?

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justinh:

yes

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achew22:

are the options/settings pages rendered through mythui?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

but if there's only one image I expect it'd be more efficient to specify the whole filename

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achew22:

are they hard coded?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

actually plugin setting pages are mythui – well for mythui'd plugins they are anyway

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achew22:

and there are no plans to change that?

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justinh:

but main setup stuff isn't, and never will be

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justinh:

plan is to move to web-based setup pages

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justinh:

no gui needed

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achew22:

AARGH

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achew22:

thats what I wanted to do to contribute this summer. Write a mythUI parser that rendered the setup pages for a browser

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justinh:

background for qt-based paged is defined in qtlook.txt

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achew22:

is that going to be a web server written in QT?

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justinh:

achew22: well, the main man isaac has kyboshed converting setup to mythui saying he wants it to be web-based – but so far nobody has even looked at it AFAIK

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justinh:

achew22: there's already a web server of sorts in mythbackend

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justinh:

that's what you see on 6544 – and also what the upnp server kinda is

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achew22:

If I showed up with some code do you think I could get Isaac to take a look?

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achew22:

the webserver of sorts serves the status page, right?

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[R]:

justinh: there is a ticket for it

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[R]:

and i was looking at it yesterday

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[R]:

i wanted to talk to daniel about it

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achew22:

[R]: do you have a link or ticket #?

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[R]:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8262

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[R]:

hes already got a basic renderer

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justinh:

heh didn't think anybody'd started it yet

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justinh:

achew22: I'd say if you wanted to do anything with it, have a word with daniel, or fight with [R] over who gets to do it ;-)

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[R]:

lol

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achew22:

Well I just wanna do something that I kind of understand and I'm WAY more comfortable with web stuff than QT

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justinh:

I dunno, we wait for ages for something to be started then people are queuing up to work on it

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achew22:

[R]: I'll race you.... ready... GO!

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[R]:

achew22: the actual code that does the stuff is all C++/QT...

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achew22:

[R]: I'm aware but at least its rendering into HTML and not into MythUI which is entirely new to me

[09:00:08]

achew22:

[R]: if you looked at it, do you have any idea how that code intends to deal with input cards and cross linking them?

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[R]:

cross linking?

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achew22:

Input source is dependent on capture cards

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achew22:

it only looks like "General" has been put in the XML

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achew22:

and I don't know how "Capture cards" would be put in there or would it be custom code?

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justinh:

so? it's only gonna be doing in html what's rendered to screen in fugly boxes now

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achew22:

agreed but the xml defines a schema and validation rules for the renderer and I don't know how those would be extended to describe the "Input sources" page

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justinh:

get stuff out of the db, present choices as select boxes/dropdowns/checkboxes, submit changes

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achew22:

look at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/8262/settings.xml it only defines <config> for the "General"

[09:04:03]

achew22:

which is definitely interesting

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[R]:

obviously its not everything...

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achew22:

Yeah, I'm curious if you have any idea how you would define the cross relations in XML like that

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justinh:

you don;t

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achew22:

Okay

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achew22:

so there is custom code to deal with that

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justinh:

the qt gui stuff doesn't validate anything either

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achew22:

doesn't it in some sense because you can't enter "pancake" in a number field?

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justinh:

it gets lists of stuff from the db, or hard-coded lists & presents choices that way

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[R]:

achew22: like i said... the code that actually DOES the stuff is C++/QT

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justinh:

it could validate after input, before making changes

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justinh:

like any form on the web

[09:06:17]

justinh:

but I think even html allows a few types of entty box

[09:06:23]

[R]:

no

[09:06:26]

[R]:

javascript does though

[09:06:44]

achew22:

[R]: yes but the output is HTML instead of some UI framework. I have taken a bunch of C++ classes and am comfortable (ish) in it. I have also taken a bunch of classes on HTML and done web dev in general. I haven't done anything ever with QT's UI stuff which is what I think of when I think of QT

[09:07:16]

justinh:

qt ui stuff is easy & quick. which is why it's so butt ugly

[09:07:43]

justinh:

blown up to 10 foot nterface size, even more ugly

[09:07:50]

achew22:

justinh: depends on how picky you are. If you use HTML5 (whatever that means) the <input> tag has been extended to support "email", "range", "color", "number" and a few more

[09:08:10]

justinh:

yeah well there you go

[09:08:15]

justinh:

plenty of scope

[09:08:55]

justinh:

anyway validation will still be done wherever. you don't seriously expect anybody to code stuff which'd allow somebody to be that retarded do you? ;)

[09:09:36]

achew22:

lol "Many settings pages have very little error checking. You can easily screw things up..." – from MythWeb

[09:09:42]

achew22:

my favorite warning ever

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justinh:

yeah that's cos they were never intended to replace anything – hence the amount of effort that went into them & that warning

[09:10:34]

achew22:

I know why it is that way, it just makes me smile whenever I see it

[09:10:37]

justinh:

it was kind of an invitation for somebody to come along & polish it but nobody ever did

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achew22:

Okay, I think it is bedtime for me

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[R]:

i tell you what... writing REAL oop code is so nice

[09:11:24]

[R]:

i deal with this fake oop stuff at work all the time... its so nasty

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achew22:

[R]: fake oop like prototypal inheritance?

[09:12:02]

[R]:

fake oop like it's C and we do stuff that makes it seem like we have objects

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[R]:

but not really

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achew22:

Ah, using the weird struct stuff

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achew22:

but it is so fast ;)

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[R]:

and tremendous overhead in the name of cross platform portability

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justinh:

but these are setup pages. we no need performance ;)

[09:13:21]

achew22:

I hope there isn't any "fake-oo C" code in the myth core

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clever:

every page of settings in the entire UI is init'd and told to find/set defaults on startup

[09:14:39]

clever:

even for mythbackend

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clever:

that just doesnt make sense

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justinh:

gah blummin nut docs!

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justinh:

gonna have to buzz out the connector on my ups to see what pins do what

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justinh:

whoops. pulled the wrong plug

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justinh:

anyhoo, nut is now worky :)

[10:36:09]

justinh:

aand the myth database backup cron is worky too. 3 days worth of gz files in the dir.

[10:36:28]

justinh:

phew. no more disasters like monday was.. well after I take an image of / anyway

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justinh:

and I think there'll be no more diskless frontend malarkey

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Jay2k1:

there's no automated db backup?

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justinh:

I setup a cron job to do it

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justinh:

scripts are provided now though. very capable ones too

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dustybin:

this script is great: http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/

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justinh:

hmmm seems you can count the number of decent touchscreen driven music players on one hand

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rileyp:

Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/inuseprograms.MYI'; try to repair it

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rileyp:

How i can fix this?

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rileyp:

Driver error was [2/126]:

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rileyp:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement

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rileyp:

Database error was:

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rileyp:

Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/inu

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Guest96297:

Hi. My television is broken. it asks for a home variable

[12:24:22]

Guest96297:

Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME

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Guest96297:

no, the answer is not to put "export HOME=/home/user" to the init script

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Guest96297:

unfortunatelly not

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kilmarnock:

I use Ubuntu karmic, latest update for mythtv 0.23 where it got broken

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kilmarnock:

the question is: where can I put the HOME variable for mythtv-backend finds it? Any hint welcome

[12:32:12]

lapion:

Since a reinstall the frontend cannot connect to the database from remote anymore, anyone have any tips ?

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Wolfeyes:

Hi All

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Wolfeyes:

Is anyone here a lawyer in Canada?

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cleith:

Hello

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cleith:

Anyone kicking around today?

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Wolfeyes:

Yeah me but I am trying to find a lawyer from Canada?

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justinh:

lol

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Wolfeyes:

mcl0vin, you come from Spin?

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cleith:

Anybody know how to stop myth 0.23 from using pulseaudio?

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rileyp:

yes remove it

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rileyp:

open synatic and seach for things with pulse

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rileyp:

remov ethem all

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cleith:

anything less drastic?

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rileyp:

yes just choose from menu in mythfrontend alsa

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rileyp:

its in the advanced /general menu

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cleith:

alsa:default gives me no sound

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rileyp:

about 4th or 5 or 6 page

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rileyp:

is alsa installed?

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rileyp:

are you using hdmi

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rileyp:

if alsa is installed are they unmuted

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cleith:

no hdmi

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rileyp:

open from a terminal screen alsamixer

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cleith:

alsa installed

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rileyp:

and check alsa is not muted

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rileyp:

alsamixer

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rileyp:

you unmute them ny pressing m

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rileyp:

check master and pcm are unmuted

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rileyp:

and adjust volumes

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cleith:

under alsamixer I only see one master volume for card pulseaudio. do I have to disable pulseaudio first?

[13:09:18]

rileyp:

probably I dont know i just removed pusle altogether which made alsa default

[13:09:56]

rileyp:

are you using ubuntu?

[13:10:44]

cleith:

fedora 12

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rileyp:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449

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cleith:

any way to use pasuspender with myth 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

pasupender?

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cleith:

supposed to temp disable pulseaudio and give access to an app

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cleith:

but doesn't seem to work for myth

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does that all on its own

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wagnerrp:

no need for any external application

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cleith:

how?

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wagnerrp:

by disabling pulseaudio all on its own, with no need for an external application

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cleith:

if i set "alsa:default" in 0.23 i get no sound

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wagnerrp:

have you compiled mythtv with pulseaudio 'support'?

[13:36:21]

wagnerrp:

which gives it the ability to disable pulseaudio

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cleith:

from rpmfusion – yes

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cleith:

i think

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wagnerrp:

check your frontend log, it should say something about disabling pulseaudio when it starts

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cleith:

seems to disable pulse but then i get no sound using the same config as 0.22.

[13:45:44]

cleith:

anything else change?

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi all

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wagnerrp:

audio subsystem got a bit of an overhaul

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cleith:

hmmm

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cleith:

what could i check for if i use alsa:default

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cleith:

and have no sound

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wagnerrp:

see 'aplay -l' and '-L' to figure out what the proper devices are

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ThisOtherGuy:

can anyone help me with this weird mythweb issue: I have two back to back shows, when I choose "never record" on the first one it works, but when I choose "never record" on the second one it adds another row to the oldrecorded table for the first one

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cleith:

wagnerrp: ok, how do i make use of that info in myth

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ThisOtherGuy:

this is in trunk 24739

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wagnerrp:

cleith: pastebin it

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cleith:

wagnerrp: ?

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wagnerrp:

www.pastebin.com

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cleith:

are you able to see that

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wagnerrp:

only if you give me the link to it

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cleith:

http://pastebin.com/sWDnLDqH

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wagnerrp:

what about -L?

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wagnerrp:

youre running these with pulse disabled, right?

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wagnerrp:

so the application can actually access ALSA beneath

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lapion:

hi, whenever I start livetv-viewing I get bpounced back out..

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lapion:

this happened after I cleared the osdcache dir..

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wagnerrp:

lapion: do recordings work?

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lapion:

I have nothing currently recording

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to determine why the recording is failing

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lapion:

2010-05–22 15:48:07.596 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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wagnerrp:

pastebin the whole thing, not just some line you may think is important

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/265384

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lapion:

well I am going to up the verbosity, and post more from the frontend

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wagnerrp:

backend, backend

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/265404

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mcl0vin:

good morning

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lapion:

morning

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wagnerrp:

lapion: you have a bad default channel

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lapion:

I changed it several times

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, the card input, and set the default channel to one the card can actually tune

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mcl0vin:

hmmm this is the 3rd time my mythtv box freez ,the HDD LED stay steady and i am forced to power it down then back up

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AndyCap:

mcl0vin: way want to talk to people using your distro about how to debug kernel crashes/hangs.

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justinh:

maybe it's time to junk that PC Chips motherboard

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justinh:

put it on the fire with all the framegrabber tuner cars

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justinh:

*cards

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mcl0vin:

way to go

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lapion:

wagnerrp, thtat seems to be the problem, somehow mythtv cannot tune most of the channels anymore

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lapion:

maybe channel profile probelm./....

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mcl0vin:

AndyCap: since you are an expert , can you explain to me the difference between both?

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AndyCap:

mcl0vin: I'm about as far from an expert as you can find.

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AndyCap:

mcl0vin: anyhow, if you're unlucky there's no output from the kernel to give you a clue about what went wrong, if you're lucky you'll be able to capture some crash messages, dumps, or something that may give you some clues

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justinh:

a good place to look will be in the system log, then the kernel log, if there is one

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justinh:

logs can be found in /var/log on some distros

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Dassu:

Is there a way to delete all recordings with no files at once?

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AndyCap:

Dassu: the mythorphans.pl or what it's name was is a (contributed?) script

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AndyCap:

Dassu: sorry myth.find_orphans.pl

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AndyCap:

Dassu: probably not a good idea : Warning: This script is deprecated. It has not been updated in line with changes to the main mythtv programs.

[14:49:12]

AndyCap:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl

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Dassu:

well, I'm using 0.21

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Dassu:

AndyCap: thanks

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kiall:

Heya – I've been doing some digging to find out if MythTV has support for Sky UK's "OpenTV EPG" – I've found some code claiming to get the EPG for dreambox's .. but nothing for MythTV .. any suggestions?

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mcl0vin:

AndyCap: justinh : hahahahah i found what is the problem without even looking at any log

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mcl0vin:

omg

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mcl0vin:

it is my 3 yrs old! hahahah he was pounding on the keyboard ...when i asked him what are you doing...he said 'am cleaning the keyboard for dad!' :)

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lapion:

wagnerrp,strangely enough only a handfull of channels are available to mythtv

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bradd_:

is anyone else having issues displaying fanart for recorded programs?

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cleith:

Thanx for the help all. Later.

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lapion:

for some reason the backend can not tune most channels anymore..

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lapion:

I thought I t might have something to do with the channel/frequency tables, however debsums couldn't find anything wrong with mythtv's installed file md5sums

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sphery:

more likely it has something to do with the input connections configuration

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justinh:

kiall: no mythtv doesn't support it. because it's NOT open

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sphery:

i.e. anything in your configuration from video source to channels to input connections itself

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justinh:

it's propriatary crap which any project without a clever lawyer shouldn't even think of supporting

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justinh:

I need booze. ice cold booze

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justinh:

found a use for my old vinyl record shelves, only they need reassembling.. and it's a tad warm to be doing physical work :)

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lapion:

sphery, I tried scanning and got a lot of duplicats, and they don't tune in the frontend as well

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justinh:

do you mean in mythfrontend or on a different machine?

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justinh:

lapion: ^^^

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lapion:

nope on the same system\

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justinh:

look in your backend log. as usual

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justinh:

just saying they don't tune is no use to us

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lapion:

http://pastebin.org/265404

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lapion:

the do tune in scan mode.. however not in viewing mode

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sphery:

5

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sphery:

2010-05–22 16:18:39.928 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel

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sphery:

yep, broken input connections

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justinh:

so, you've likely not associated any inputs with a video source then

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sphery:

lapion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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justinh:

like somebody already said. *read* :)

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GreyFoxx:

New extension?

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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justinh:

mmm booze :)

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Beirdo:

for me, booze is AFTER the DirecTV dude's done.. he should be here in 20min or so

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Beirdo:

after that, I will see what I wanna do for the day... likely watch TV :)

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beata:

when using jamu.py or even w to grab metadata should it update category or genre?

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RDV_Linux:

beata: Yes as long as the TMDB or TVDB has that information for the specific video

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sphery:

beata: I /think/ it will only update category/genre if you don't already have a value in there (i.e. if it's at the default)

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sphery:

so if you had stuff in there first, it may not

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beata:

ok, i see its updating genre but not category

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beata:

however my videocategory table is empt

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beata:

y

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wagnerrp:

beata: the grabbers will update your genres, but the category is a value you set on your own, one category per video

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Beirdo:

grab this... :)

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Beirdo:

DirecTV dude on his way...

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wagnerrp:

bob ross is so depressing

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[R]:

they still show that stuff?

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wagnerrp:

no matter how good you ever get at your job, you will never be able to make it seem to mockingly simple as he does his

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

'now lets mix some brown, and some amber, and *dab* *dab* *dab* here we have a happy tree'

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[R]:

didn't he die?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, like 15 years ago

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

DirecTV++

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Beirdo:

heh

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famished:

is there a way to move recordings from one mythtv install to another?

[19:06:38]

famished:

i setup a new mythtv backend and would like to migrate my existing recordings to it

[19:07:10]

famished:

i would rather not transcode them to avi or something else but actually migrate them to the new "backend"

[19:07:33]

wagnerrp:

backup your database on the old one, restore it to the mysql server on the new one

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wagnerrp:

are you changing the hostname of your backend?

[19:07:55]

famished:

yes

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famished:

so the whole backup and restore does not work

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famished:

:-/

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wagnerrp:

yes it does

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wagnerrp:

see the backup and restore tool on the wiki

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famished:

ip and name etc... are all changing

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wagnerrp:

it has a function to go through and update the hostnames

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wagnerrp:

ip is irrelevant, only the hostname

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famished:

hmm... well i already have the new one running and do not want to override it as it works better than the old one

[19:09:23]

famished:

the old one has some odd settings that i would like to not have to hunt down to change

[19:09:36]

famished:

is there another way to migrate them?

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famished:

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html

[19:10:01]

famished:

does that actually work?

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famished:

ie... just backup the "recorded" information for db migration?

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wagnerrp:

its fairly crude, i dont know what all is required for proper migration

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famished:

i am not sure of the db format

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famished:

right

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famish:

sorry... hit the wrong key

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famished:

sigh

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famished:

not my morning for keystrokes ;-)

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Beirdo:

oooh.

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Beirdo:

hockey in HD

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Beirdo:

yay yay yay

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Beirdo:

indy 500 qual in HD too

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[R]:

does AMC censor its movies?

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AndyCap:

[R]: isn't it MPAA that does that?

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[R]:

AndyCap: huh?

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AndyCap:

isn't AMC a theatre chain? and wouldn't they just use the MPAA ratings?

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[R]:

i'm talking about the channel...

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AndyCap:

ooh

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wagnerrp:

some, but not much

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[R]:

some is too much

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[R]:

i really need to get this movie on dvd

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[R]:

i thought i had at one point, but i can't find it, so i probably didnt

[20:13:06]

wagnerrp:

i assume they censor, i could be wrong

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[R]:

they have commericals, so right away i'm sure its gonna be cut

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt be sure of that

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[R]:

i dont want to be disapointed though

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wagnerrp:

FX often does things uncut, but then theyre also like 4hrs long

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AndyCap:

which movie is it?

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[R]:

The Secret of my Success

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[R]:

interesting... looks like Spike is playing all 6 star wars movies...

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wagnerrp:

what is there to censor in that movie?

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wagnerrp:

a few suggestive scenes maybe

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

[R]: http://www.amazon.com/

[20:15:11]

[R]:

theres some good swears

[20:15:12]

AndyCap:

oh my, a long time since I've heard that name

[20:15:12]

wagnerrp:

maybe ive just always seen the censored version

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sphery:

they'll have the movie on DVD :)

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[R]:

sphery: yeah, i know

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[R]:

ffs... star wars on spike is 3 hours

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[R]:

thats like an hour of commericals

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AndyCap:

Haha, reminds me of 8mm descriptions.

[20:17:53]

AndyCap:

Though we are no longer able to offer this title as a full length feature we feel sure that this skilfully edited 90 minute version will satisfy you

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AndyCap:

which of course makes me concerned about the films advertised as just "edited" :)

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wagnerrp:

in the 'edited for TV' version of Blade Runner, Harrison Ford is shooting walkie-talkies at care bears

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[R]:

HAHA

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AndyCap:

hmm, maybe I should watch another movie from the era of "the secret to my success" Innerspace. :)

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AndyCap:

Hmm, wonder if one could find an algorithm for stupid anti-piracy dvd ad skipping

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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sphery:

those ads can't legally be skipped

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AndyCap:

when one plays a dvd, detect the you are a thief commercials they are so fond of annoying paying customers with.

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sphery:

skipping them would be a violation of the DVD-CCA license

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AndyCap:

sphery: along that line the whole Import DVD function is quite suspect. :P

[20:34:05]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: many unlicensed (illegal) players will skip those

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sphery:

AndyCap: well since Myth only imports unencrypted DVD's... I don't see the problem

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wagnerrp:

and AnyDVD will detect, remove, and create a newly mastered virtual DVD without them

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sphery:

now if you've modified your MythTV/system to allow use with encrypted DVD's, that's not our problem

[20:35:04]

AndyCap:

sphery: should I file a bug if Myth doesn't respect the unskippable flag?

[20:35:06]

AndyCap:

:>

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sphery:

wagnerrp: makes me wonder how AnyDVD maintains a license with DVD-CCA

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sphery:

(or maybe they don't :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do they?

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AndyCap:

sphery: by moving to antigua

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sphery:

that may be the case

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sphery:

just ignore it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they have a 'Banana Republic License'

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AndyCap:

Oh, a nasty bug in MythDVD.. I was allowed to fast forward

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sphery:

that's likely to be removed

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sphery:

if you're talking about the ffwd in stuff such as the anti-piracy screens

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sphery:

it causes problems

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[R]:

theres code that says "if this is an antipiracy screen, enable ffwd"?

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AndyCap:

was thinking of myth not having implemented the "You're not allowed to skip this" flag.

[20:38:07]

AndyCap:

but my test may have been flawed

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wagnerrp:

[R]: im guessing something about myth not properly handling the funky single image mpegs

[20:39:04]

[R]:

oh

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[R]:

dvds are such complicated beasts

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sphery:

AndyCap / [R] : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/428813#428813

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sphery:

where Stanley is pretty much the DVD playback maintainer

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** wagnerrp is still baffled by upnp searches months after implementing them in the python bindings **

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NightMonkey:

Hi all. I seem to have lost my local channels (at leas the low numbered ones). I think my fix was to truncate channel,channelgroup, credits, people, program, channelscan, channelscan_channel, programgenres, programrating.

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NightMonkey:

But, when I run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --refresh-all, it misses low-numbered channels (like 2, 4, etc.).

[21:12:03]

NightMonkey:

I have successfully purged and re-added in the past, but it has been a while since I did it... :/

[21:12:16]

NightMonkey:

I'm using Schedules Direct.

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NightMonkey:

Am I going about this correctly?

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NightMonkey:

I also verified that the channels are still listed in my SD listings.

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** wagnerrp is having good fun with generators **

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[R]:

wagnerrp: gas?

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wagnerrp:

list

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[R]:

they're making a car by hand

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[R]:

amazing

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pjcrux:

hello all, have a problem when scanning channels in 0.22 on Fedora 12. After a certain channel (it's different each time) the channel says "no lock" scan stops. The card is a PVR-500 on analog cable in the US. I tried changing the broadcast setting to US-Cable but still the same result. Any ideas?

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sphery:

pjcrux: you never scan for channels on analog capture cards in the US

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sphery:

pjcrux: do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

NightMonkey: to fix your issues, do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:32:01]

sphery:

direct DB editing isn't supported

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sphery:

and the approach shown in the post works properly

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pjcrux:

ok thanks sphery

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kilmarnock:

mythbackend fails to start

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kilmarnock:

"Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME"

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kilmarnock:

what can I do?

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kilmarnock:

(it starts from command line)

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bjd:

what does "echo $HOME" return when you run it as the user mythbackend runs as?

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sphery:

kilmarnock: fix your init script so it properly sets the HOME environment variable

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sphery:

kilmarnock: talk to the #mythbuntu people to see how they want to handle it with upstart

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kilmarnock:

echo $HOME --> /root

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sphery:

kilmarnock: the problem is that it's not set in the environment starting mythbackend--the init/upstart environment

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kilmarnock:

I tried to do "export HOME=/root" in the init script, but it does not react to it

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sphery:

what distro?

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sphery:

ubuntu?

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kilmarnock:

ubuntu

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sphery:

talk to the folks in #mythbuntu

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sphery:

kilmarnock: see, also the whole thread at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/431273#431273

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sphery:

basically, though, the distro needs fixing because MythTV is working properly (and you now have a recent enough version that you get a proper error message)

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squish102:

how can i tell if my recording has a 5.1 audio stream?

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kilmarnock:

I tried the softlink before

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kilmarnock:

I even copied it there

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sphery:

kilmarnock: I'm not saying that the solutions there will work--as that's using a different repo

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sphery:

kilmarnock: I'm just saying that it discusses the issue and presents more info

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sphery:

that might be useful when you, er, ask the folks in #mythbuntu

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kilmarnock:

I know. But I thought its just a proggie

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sphery:

since *buntu needs to fix their config :)

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kilmarnock:

its not the original repo, it comes from launchpad

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squish102:

and if it is recorded in 5.1 is there anything i need to do to mythfront end? I'm playing over hdmi

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lapion:

sphery, you there ?

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sphery:

yeah

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lapion:

sphery, I solved the problem, you see, when I was setting the channels information for the I neglected setting channel-num and freq id

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Beirdo:

Watchin Barnyard (on DVD). hehe

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sphery:

lapion: this is when it locks up the UI on 2nd channel when using the frontend channel editor?

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lapion:

thanks to mythweb ( all that time I was looking into mythnet)

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lapion:

No that wasn't the lockup problem, rather the bounce-back problem..

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lapion:

the lockup problem is solved by not using browse-mode

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sphery:

don't remember that problem... bounce back to ?

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lapion:

When entering live viewing mode I got bounced back to the menu

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

I see... Yeah, without freq id, that would prevent proper tuning/channel change

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sphery:

glad you got it

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sphery:

and I'll keep that in mind for when someone else sees that issue

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sphery:

thanks for the update

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lapion:

do you use browse mode ? otherwhise you can check if the edit-channel-freeze problem only arises when browse is active/used ( directly from osd-menu

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iamlindoro:

He doesn't use live Tv, so doesn't need browse mode ;)

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lapion:

okay, thanks for your help sphery, all little bits and pieces of information got me on the right road

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lapion:

maybe you can check iamlindoro ?

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iamlindoro:

I don't use live TV either

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sphery:

lapion: yeah, I don't have a system where I can test the channel editor problem.

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sphery:

I may eventually look into it, but it will be a while

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EvilGuru:

I am looking to get myself a DVI-S/S2 card. However, there appear to be few, if any, PCI-e options. Is the Hauppauge Nova still the best PCI bet?

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks for the pointer. Should mythbackend be stopped when running mythtv-setup to delete a source?

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sphery:

NightMonkey: yep

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sphery:

and keep mythbackend shut down until you've finished re-adding it and reconfiguring input connections

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks. Doing the Right Thing(tm), now. :)

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squish102:

]\]

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sphery:

:)

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[R]:

why does no one make a simple device that you plug something into and it connects to a computer via serial port and its a simple computer controlled on/off...

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Beirdo:

go for it

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iamlindoro:

because computers haven't had serial ports since we all wore animal skins :)

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[R]:

than usb port

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[R]:

whatever

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[R]:

i know how to make one... but i'd rather just buy something

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iamlindoro:

Think that kind of thing was just leapfrogged by wireless/X11

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iamlindoro:

er X10

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[R]:

but i dont need wireless

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[R]:

and x10 is super expensive

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iamlindoro:

Then I revert to bierdo's answer-- you asked why, those are the answers

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iamlindoro:

tethering everything to the length of a serial cable is of limited use, and X10 matured before anyone else thought of doing it, it's undeniably more elegant, price aside

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[R]:

theres the ecostrip... but thats expesive and i dont need a full power strip

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[R]:

i still need to finish the code on my PIC for my ir device

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[R]:

grr, so much time and so little to do

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[R]:

wait strike that, reverse it

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[R]:

:)

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

anyways.. I hope to resume work on my 4-way IR box... especially now that I have 3 DirecTV receivers :)

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iamlindoro:

kinky

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Beirdo:

so my current plan...

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Beirdo:

1 HDPVR, 2 PVR-250, and something for ATSC

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

likely HVR-2250 or something

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[R]:

i'm debating the merits of getting an analog tuner... but i just dont record enough off analog channels to merit it

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks again. Re-adding channel icons was a bit of a bear, but it's all better now.

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sphery:

NightMonkey: great... "soon" I should have a patch to make channel icons easy to restore

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iamlindoro:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

*gasp*

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iamlindoro:

HAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa

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iamlindoro:

You kill me, sphery

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iamlindoro:

soon

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iamlindoro:

HA!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I should just finish it now to spite you

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iamlindoro:

by all means

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iamlindoro:

play right into my hands

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ive not noticed any new backend commands to play with for the metadata stuff

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wagnerrp:

have those not gone in yet? or did i just miss them? or is it not going to work that way?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The one and only addition to the BE so far is actually via MythXML, not the proto

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wagnerrp:

ah, so new mythxml commands to play with

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iamlindoro:

http://mythbackend:6544/Myth/GetInternetSearc . . . v&Page=1

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wagnerrp:

although thats just for the webpage hosting isnt it

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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iamlindoro:

Because all of MNV is XML-based, and MythXML serves it up natively, it's the logical choice to proxy all the MNV searches/etc. thgrough

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pyther:

Hi does anyone know why I migh get static on my left headphone while watching stuff in mythtv? Audio outside of myth seems to work fine...

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iamlindoro:

also, it's easier to get away with than swelling the protocol

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pyther:

I am using 0.22-fixes and oss, this is an issue that just started happening maybe a few days ago

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sphery:

pyther: have you tried switching Audio output device /and/ Mixer device to "ALSA:default" (no quotes, case-senstive)

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pyther:

sphery: no and I would really perfer not to have to use alsa

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wagnerrp:

XFi card? or just dont like alsa?

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pyther:

I have an audigy 2 value card and I just think oss sounds better

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