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Wednesday, May 19th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

bradd_: yeah, that's quite possible

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sphery:

patches appreciated

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bradd_:

nothing in the logs to go on..but ill see if i can take a closer look tomorrow

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Wicked:

hmm..so this scte65scan tries to get the channel mapping info from comcast?

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

from a part of the stream mythtv's scanner can't yet read

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Wicked:

i see.

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Wicked:

i will still have to somehow figure out how to get SD to let me add 2 lineups for the same zipcode.....then disable all the channels the hdhr cannot get...then map those channels to the hdhr?

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Wicked:

im a bit confused in that part

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sphery:

no, you set up one SD lineup with all channels

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sphery:

you set up 2 MythTV video sources using the same SD lineup

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sphery:

you delete the channels your HDHR doesn't get from the video source connected to the HDHR inputs

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Wicked:

hmm ok

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Wicked:

so id add my zipcode's digital lineup from SD......make 2 video sources.....on the hdhr one i delete all channels that dont work...seems like that would work

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sphery:

right, but don't adjust the lineup

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Wicked:

ok

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sphery:

just delete channels from a video source

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.2 explains it

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sphery:

but also goes through some other info which may/may not be useful

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Wicked:

i had read something about making the lineup at SD....removing all the channels you dont get with the hdhr...importing them in mythtv....going back to SD and readding all the channels then reimporting into mythtv...then editing how mythfilldatabase runs

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sphery:

this is exactly why I complain when people say that we should rename "video source" to "listings source" (because it's /not/ a listings source :)

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sphery:

yeah, that's basically it

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Wicked:

thats the article i had read...

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Wicked:

hmm

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sphery:

though the other option is to just delete the extra channels from the hdhr video source

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sphery:

i.e. the end result is the important part. how you get there is not so important

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Wicked:

im confused again lol. whats best? to add the same line up twice in the video sources....then edit the hdhr's channels via the channel editor to remove all channels that do not work? or goto schedule direct and remove all channels i dont get on the hdhr....import into the hdhr video source....go back to SD and add all channels...then import into the normal video source for my pvr-150 connected to a

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Wicked:

stb?

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sphery:

either approach

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sphery:

with the first approach, you can set the HDHR as first connected video source if you want (but you probably don't)

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sphery:

but at the same time, you may have to sit and hit delete on 128 channels in the channel editor

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sphery:

er, I meant, you can set the HD-PVR as the first connected video source if you do the first approach

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sphery:

but you probably want the HDHR as the first

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sphery:

the only reason that HOWTO entry goes through the approach it does is so you don't have to go to the channel editor and hit D

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Wicked:

i dont have a hd-pvr

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Wicked:

i have a hdhr

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sphery:

sorry, I'm all confused

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sphery:

but basically I meant the one that gets everything should probably be last

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sphery:

and you might have to delete a bunch of channels from the one that gets only a limited number of channels

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sphery:

but I think you've got the idea of where you want to be

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sphery:

so you just need to pick an approach to get there

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Wicked:

yea. im pretty confused. im gonna try to add both to their own lineup...then remove channels via the channel editor

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Wicked:

the other way where i delete channels from the sd lineup at the sd website....u have to change the mythfilldatabase to remove new channels...from messing around in the past...this is a bad idea incase channels get changed

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sphery:

only one lineup, though

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sphery:

2 video sources :)

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sphery:

and you may not need to use --remove-new-channels

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sphery:

because it's only required for analog capture devices

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Wicked:

but then next time mythfill was ran....it would add all the channels that dont work

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Wicked:

hmm

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sphery:

any scannable device won't automatically add channels ever

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Wicked:

i dont know. im pretty confused at the moment...alot of diff things/solutions going on.

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sphery:

just do it with one lineup

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sphery:

it's the most efficient way

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sphery:

if it doesn't work, then you can look at doing things some other way

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sphery:

it's also the proper way and the reason why SD only allows one lineup per provider

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Wicked:

when you say do it with one lineup....what are you saying? do it like...goto sd website add lineup for my area....remove all channels that the hdhr cannot get.....add video source in mythtv for "hdhr lineup"....go back to sd and readd all channels....go back to myth and add the video source for "all channels"

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sphery:

you can do that

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Wicked:

yea. i know i can..but was that what you meant?

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sphery:

or go to SD, add lineup for your area, add all channels get get on both capture devices, create video source for HDHR, create video source for all channels, and, somewhere in there (anywhere), delete the extra channels from HDHR using channel editor

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sphery:

the only difference is how you get to the end result

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sphery:

the only important part is the end result

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janneg:

skd5aner: re #8326 strange, I'll test with 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

one lineup at SD shared by 2 different video sources

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Wicked:

yea. ok. im gonna try to figure out this scte65scan stuff

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sphery:

yeah, you'll probably still need that since you'll have to scan for the HDHR channels

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dorgan:

hello all

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dorgan:

hello all i recently ran a apt-get install upgrade and it update myth to 23 but it seems I am unable to start the backend

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dorgan:

and now I am seeing the following in the log: http://pastie.org/966866

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sphery:

dorgan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/436954#436954

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dorgan:

sphery: not sure what to do that post has a fix but my script doesnt look like that

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dorgan:

my /etc/default/mythtv-backend looks like this: http://pastie.org/966872

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: from the ping _way_way_ back there, nothing in particular, someone just made mention of VAAPI support

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sphery:

dorgan: pretty sure that's /etc/init/mythbackend

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dorgan:

sphery: no ubuntu is using upstart

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sphery:

(the one you should edit, that is)

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dorgan:

so its /etc/default/mythtv-backend

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: looks like it was iamlindoro

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dorgan:

but i dont know what to change

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sphery:

well, those guys on that thread are using mythbuntu

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Wicked:

on that scte65scan it mentions finding the VCT_ID....i cant find it in my sci atl stb diagnostic menus.....any ideas how i can get this?

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wagnerrp:

'nuvexport fails on h264 -> xvid'

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sphery:

dorgan: but the /entire/ point is that you need to do exactly what the error says, set HOME... export HOME=/home/mythtv somewhere such that it's in the environment that's running mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a worthless task

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sphery:

dorgan: check with #mythbuntu if you need help figuring out their start scripts

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dorgan:

sphery: i dont think your following

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sphery:

(because I don't have a clue how they work)

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sphery:

dorgan: I'm saying you need to set HOME

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dorgan:

sphery: no one is around in there

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sphery:

how you do that is dependent on how your distro configured your start stuff

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sphery:

whether you just put HOME=/home/mythtv in the configuration file you referenced

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sphery:

or do something else, I couldn't tell you

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sphery:

I don't use mythbuntu\

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Wicked:

bah. this is way to confusing.

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sphery:

Wicked: scte65scan?

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Wicked:

everything related to setting up this hdhr lol

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Wicked:

from scanning for channels...to getting guide info...to mapping guide info to actual channlel

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dorgan:

ahh ok i figured it out

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sphery:

so, basically, all the hoops you have to jump through to make your cable company's mess work? :)

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Wicked:

sphery, spot on ;)

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sphery:

dorgan: what's the solution?

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dorgan:

seems the script in /etc/default is borked....and there is an upstart script in /etc/init.d/ so i removed the one from /etc/default and everything is working now

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Wicked:

oh well. i dont know. i might just return this hdhr.

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Wicked:

really being a pita

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squidly:

anyone here using directv and can help me test a couple of things out?

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sphery:

dorgan: cool

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squidly:

i'm trying what input is my component.. but I cant seem to get mythto recongnize what one is what

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Wicked:

following the guide for using this...this is output http://pastebin.com/G5rJJrMt

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Wicked:

err this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

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Wicked:

would my dta be the 0x1ffc?

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Wicked:

*sigh*

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sphery:

think there's a typo in your pastebin link

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sphery:

squidly: are you sure you want component (3 cables for HDTV) and not composite (single cable for SDTV)

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Wicked:

NOTICE: SOME PASTES MIGHT BE MISSING FOR A FEW HOURS, WE ARE MOVING HOSTER!

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Wicked:

let me repost

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sphery:

squidly: as the only capture device that can use component doesn't require you to specify component (as it's the only input on it)

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sphery:

ah, yeah, so maybe at a different pastebin

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squidly:

sphery: ok.. is there a way I can test it. I know with the cable stuff I can just do mplayer /dev/video0 and it will show the stream

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sphery:

squidly: what capture card?

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squidly:

its a pvr-150

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Wicked:

hmm pastebin.ca seems down too

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sphery:

so you want composite

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sphery:

(or S-Video)

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Wicked:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/435836/

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squidly:

sphery: yea I'm using the Red/White/Yellow cable

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sphery:

squidly: should be pretty straightforward to set up

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squidly:

so that would be composit correct?

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squidly:

I though so to.

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sphery:

squidly: yeah, that's composite, not component (Red + White are audio and Yellow is Composite video, which--technically speaking--is a form of componentized video, but it's not called Component :)

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squidly:

I want to just use mplayer to pull the stream and play it so I can see if I'm doing it right.

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wagnerrp:

componentized into ... a single component?

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sphery:

Wicked: did you look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_ . . . _by_Location to see if you can find your VCT_ID

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no, 2 components in a single signal

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Wicked:

sphery, hmm. i had not gotten that far down the page. i will go look now. thanks

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squidly:

ok that inputs I have are this, tuner 1, s-video1, composite 1, s-video2, composite 2,

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sphery:

wagnerrp: er, 3 components, Y, U, and V

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sphery:

squidly: most likely you want composite 1

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wagnerrp:

the second inputs are only accessible through the white header on the back of the card

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squidly:

ahh ok

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squidly:

what is the vbi then?

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wagnerrp:

vbi is vbi

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squidly:

VBI Capture

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squidly:

oops.

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wagnerrp:

vertical blanking interval

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sphery:

vertical blanking interval

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Wicked:

of course my comcast branch is not listed in those tables sphery :|

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wagnerrp:

its that crap you see at the top of an un-cropped video capture

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wagnerrp:

contains digital data

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sphery:

which is a place where they can't put video data, so they put text data

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wagnerrp:

time codes, closed captioning

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squidly:

ahh okies..

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sphery:

Wicked: :(

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Wicked:

yea.

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Wicked:

this sucks :|

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squidly:

sphery: wagnerrp awesome ty

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squidly:

wagnerrp: if I have it not connected will I be able to test the chanelchange script?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: got a virtual machine set up with trunk... is rolisoft.conf where I put the list of shows that I like?

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sphery:

Wicked: possible that comcast hasn't rolled out dtas in your area, yet, so they're not using scte65

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Wicked:

i have no idea.

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sphery:

since it doesn't seem to have the vct id that the wiki says it would have in that output

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Wicked:

i really have no idea....not a clue as to what im doing lol

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: those are conversions between the schedules direct names that mythtv uses in its guide data, and the tv.com names the recommendation API uses

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Wicked:

oh well. i guess ill skip this part of it and try to get the channels setup

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sphery:

Wicked: yeah, you can always do it the manual way

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sphery:

"This would also traditionally require one to use the MythTV channel editor and manually input the frequency and program number for each channel and associate the xmltvid."

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sphery:

(or scan, then xmltvid, as the case may be)

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Wicked:

yea. i dont know what that means.

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: how do I use coercion.py then? and do those conversions have to be manually entered?

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: just run it from the command line, no arguments

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wagnerrp:

and that conversion file needs to be populated manually

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Lt_Dan:

Evening, can someone tell me where the info for fanart and poster data for recordings is stored? I was setting up jamu and somehow I have the TV show associated with a movie's image files

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Lt_Dan:

the TV show "24"

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Lt_Dan:

(and a "a movie" meaning a movie i have in my MythVideo folders)

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RDV_Linux:

Lt_Dan: I will take a guess that the movie is Kill Bill?

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Lt_Dan:

actually it is "The House of the Devil", which is like id 24733

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: that's what I tried first, but I got this: TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable

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wagnerrp:

what line?

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RDV_Linux:

Lt_Dan: The naming convention for a show would be something like "24 Season 1_banner.jpg"

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: full output here: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/M5nEijVq

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RDV_Linux:

Lt_Dan: Jamu downloads the TV show images but it is not the one that associates a show with what you see in the "Watch Recordings" screen.

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: dont know what would cause that

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wagnerrp:

but for what its worth, that code will be entirely scrapped and rewritten in c++

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Lt_Dan:

RDV_Linux: little more info, i actually also have an episode of 24 exported into MythVideo, which shows the correct artwork. In, for example, my fanart folder I see (among others) 24733_fanart.jpg and 24 Season 8_fanart.jpg

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Lt_Dan:

the 24733_fanart.jpg displayes behind "24" episodes in watch recordings, the correct 24 Season 8_fanart.jpg displays behind the exported show in MythVideo

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Lt_Dan:

I didn't know if there was a line somewhere in the DB that pointed the recording metadata to what pictures to display

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wagnerrp:

recordings? or mythvideo?

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Lt_Dan:

the mythvideo stuff is perfect

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RDV_Linux:

Lt_Dan: At least on the surface this does not sound like a Jamu issue. You got it, in MythVideo there is a fields to associate the correct image with a video. There are no such fields for recordings.

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: could i be missing libraries that it needs?

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wagnerrp:

Lt_Dan: mythtv does not support fanart for recordings explicitly

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wagnerrp:

that is some fuzzy image search performed by the individual themes themselves

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Lt_Dan:

i didn't think it was jamu, because it updated a whole lot of other recordings perfectly

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wagnerrp:

so like RDV_Linux pointed out, there is no hard link between recordings and artwork

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Lt_Dan:

aah.. i am using arclight--i didn't try other themes (yet)

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: that could happen if youre using some an older copy of the bindings

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wagnerrp:

i fixed the schema update code a couple days ago

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: huh?

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RDV_Linux:

Lt_Dan: This would not be a theme thing. The hunt for a image is separate code.

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squidly:

wagnerrp: what do you use to change channels on your directv box?

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Lt_Dan:

not a real big deal--24 is over forever pretty soon (though I personally am about 5 eps back).

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wagnerrp:

i have a directtv box?

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squidly:

i though you did

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Lt_Dan:

just thought if there was something in the DB i could poke, i'd do it

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squidly:

ahh ok

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: what bindings do you mean?

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Lt_Dan:

yeah it is dynamic. i renamed the 2 fanart images that started with 24 to something else and then the theme picked up the right fanart, so it's just something with hunting for the artwork in the recordings area.

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wagnerrp:

python bindings

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: i am running mythbuntu 10.04 up to date with "0.24" autobuilds... is there something else I need to update?

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Lt_Dan:

(theme might be the wrong term--mythfrontend is more correct)

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wagnerrp:

got a revision number?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: whos the revision number to?

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown

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squidly:

kk

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: sorry but i'm dumb about this stuff. how do i even find that?

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend --version

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bcgrown:

24552

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats too old

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bcgrown:

autobuilds are supposed to be daily, aren't they?

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sphery:

aren't they weekly?

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wagnerrp:

552 is from over a week ago

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bcgrown:

says daily here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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wagnerrp:

ironically that was the patch to include the schemaupdate decorator

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bcgrown:

but i think i have read weekly somewhere else

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wagnerrp:

one revision previous and it would have simply failed outright without even attempting to run

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sphery:

someone on the -users list had 0.23-fixes r24710

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sphery:

don't know that they pull trunk and -fixes updates at the same time, though, so ...

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wagnerrp:

i never much cared for johnny cash, but his songs really lend a good atmosphere for use in tv and movies

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bcgrown:

woah, new futurama episodes coming!

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bcgrown:

too bad i won't get them

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

no comedy central?

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bcgrown:

not in Canada

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Wicked:

hmm. ok so i started this from scratch again....readded the hdhr in mythtv....just finished scanning...but each time i have scanned...it finds channels...then says lot of them are conflicting and wants a new name....so far i have just hit the suggest button for mythtv to suggest a channel number..

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Wicked:

but why the conflicts?

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Wicked:

ok rescanning for qam64 now.

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Wicked:

bah. its found more conflicting channels and i now have doubles of alot of channels

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Wicked:

:|

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[R]:

Wicked: i find its easier just to scan the channels you know are the ones you want

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Wicked:

thats the thing..i dont know.

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Wicked:

this is the 1st time ive ever used a qam device

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[R]:

silicon dust's website has a list

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Wicked:

yea.

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Wicked:

so how would i scan only those channels?

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[R]:

open your eyes when you are on the scanning screen?

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Wicked:

i dont see where i would do that...

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[R]:

you dont know how to open your eyes?

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Wicked:

...

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Wicked:

sarcasm really does not help

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Wicked:

and no i do not see anywhere to only scan selective channels....with my eyes open....and focused

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[R]:

so the part that says "Scanning Range" that has a start and end channel...

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[R]:

that's what?

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Wicked:

ok im sorry i did not see that as i was not looking on the "full scan" page....

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Wicked:

i assumed a full scan would be just that....a full scan

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[R]:

thats why i said to open your eyes

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Wicked:

ive been working on trying to get this setup since 5pm today...its 11pm now....my brain is a little fried

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Wicked:

thanks for pointing it out though

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squidly:

Wicked: iamlindoro thanks you guys helped me!

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squidly:

i meant to say wagnerrp and sphery

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squidly:

sorry getting tired

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sphery:

did you get it working?

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squidly:

yep

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

enjoy

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squidly:

turned out my usb-serial addapter was bad

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squidly:

will do :D

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squidly:

now if I can figure out why my system is showing a load of 2

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you're going to make it so I have to do the updates to the frontend status screen (making promises on the list and all :)

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wagnerrp:

oh, i just assumed that it carried those miscellaneous scripts

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sphery:

not yet

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sphery:

I need to do that and the space available updates

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bcgrown:

if i set the # of simultaneous jobs to >1, is mythbackend smart enough to avoid simultaneous conflicting jobs (i.e. a commercial flag and a transcode on the same recording)?

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jheizer:

Hey all

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bcgrown:

also, why do I keep getting this: Transcode (Errored: Fri May 14, 2010, 07:42 PM) exit status 139, job status was "Running"

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[R]:

bcgrown: what does the log say?

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jheizer:

Was curious if anyone is using a ViaC7 with a vdpau capable card vs atom?

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bcgrown:

[R]: can't find anything that seems relevant, but i'm still looking

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dougt:

bcgrown: there was just a thread on the dev mailing on a related topic.

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[R]:

jheizer: with vdpau the cpu is pretty much irrelevent

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jheizer:

rebuilding my slave backend/main frontent that pxeboots and has a pci tuner, sadly no ion boards with pci slots

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bcgrown:

how do i find the filename of a recording?

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[R]:

some of the zotac boards have 1 pci express

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jheizer:

yeah, just know people have had linux and via chipset issues

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jheizer:

yeah, old pci card

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[R]:

bcgrown: the numbers aren't random...

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[R]:

bcgrown: quite easy to figure it out

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jheizer:

and found a pcie and pci via mobo for $59 or atom mobo with the 2 slots for $90

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Thanks for telling the guy that his scripts could be in any language he liked

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, If you write any more to that thread, you can mention that all his "suggestions" are related to theme, not the plugin

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wagnerrp:

will do

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jheizer:

only negative the via board has is no gbit lan and not sure if it can pxe boot

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bcgrown:

[R]: what are the first four digits?

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[R]:

bcgrown: channel id

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bcgrown:

[R]: ok. well I get lots of these messages around the same time as one of the recordings in question: 2010-05–14 18:00:07.371 LFireDev(0016B5FFFE7173A1), Warning: No Input in 50 msec...

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[R]:

ok... and?

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bcgrown:

well the show was recorded just fine

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[R]:

and?

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bcgrown:

it's a bit glitchy, but that shouldn't cause the transcode to fail, should it?

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[R]:

depends on why it failed

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bcgrown:

hmm, there are a crapload of errors from the transcode

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[R]:

well there you go

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sportman:

is there any difference between setting the mythbacknd database

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sportman:

vs the backed server

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sportman:

im running myth frontend and get n error saying

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[R]:

sportman: one is a setting for the mysql server, one is a setting for mythbackend

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sportman:

could not connect to the master backend server is it running?

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sportman:

ah, where is the backend?

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[R]:

wherfver you are running it?

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bcgrown:

[R]: doesn't really tell me why those errors are there, though

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[R]:

obivoulsy no where right now

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[R]:

bcgrown: huh?

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sportman:

[R]: what i meant is im on machine b

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sportman:

the backend is on machine a

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sportman:

how do i tell mythfrontend on machine b to look at the backend on machine a

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sportman:

i set the databse connection already

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[R]:

your backend's ip is probalby set to 127.0.0.1

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[R]:

if the frontend isn't finding it

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sportman:

where do i go set that?

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[R]:

i suggest you read the documentation

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[R]:

that clearly explains how to set up myth

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sportman:

i was looking at the wiki

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[R]:

since you haven't

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sportman:

and it didnt mention anything but setting the ip and settings for the mysql databse

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Wicked:

mythtv-setup iirc

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[R]:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . tion_Backend

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[R]:

missed that whole page did we?

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sportman:

im talking about linking the frontend to the backend

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sportman:

are you saying the issue is with the setting on the backend

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sportman:

i was only looking at the frontend documentation to figure this out, that would be my mistake

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[R]:

i'm saying you dindt read the documenation

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[R]:

"the documentation" == everything

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sportman:

my mistake

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[R]:

people write docuemntation for a reason

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sportman:

you're right

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bcgrown:

[R]: there are a crapload of errors from mythtranscode, but i don't know what they mean, or why they happened, or how to fix whatever is causing them

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[R]:

bcgrown: bad recording probably

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jheizer:

Anyone know a good reference place to see if a mobo can pxeboot or not?

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jheizer:

having issues finding info on this not so common C7 board

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[R]:

jheizer: google

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bcgrown:

jheizer: the manual for the m/b

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jheizer:

best is says is lan option rom as a bios option

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wagnerrp:

C7?

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wagnerrp:

normally the garbage is a good place for those

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jheizer:

sounds good, just hoping for some one that says they got it to work somewhere

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[R]:

HAHA

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jheizer:

hahaha

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jheizer:

yeah, just looking for low powered options

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jheizer:

as said about, need pci slot and vdpau support

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jheizer:

*above

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wagnerrp:

no C7 (VIA) is going to support VDPAU

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jheizer:

this is half the price of a atom board with the same slots

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jheizer:

has pcie 16x and pci slot for the tuner I am trying to keep

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wagnerrp:

and even less power, or capability for video offloading

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wagnerrp:

unless you want to take a 5W system, and stuff a 30W GPU into it

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Beirdo:

ugh, blah

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Beirdo:

Costco++

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jheizer:

well it +vid, or atom, or full desktop proc

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jheizer:

if all that makes sense

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jheizer:

ahh, was thinking the C7 was the one close to the atom in speed, but thats the nano

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wagnerrp:

theyre all absolutely pathetic in speed

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jheizer:

wonder how it would work

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that makes the ION worthwhile is that its got a 9400M strapped onto it for VDPAU

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jheizer:

yeah understood

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jheizer:

(on a 330 Ion "netbook" now)

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jheizer:

basically trying to take the fast X2 out of the current frontend and put it in my MBE as it is an old original athlon and is starting to lock up

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wagnerrp:

there were never any dual core t-birds

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jheizer:

sorry, not clear, MBE is original athlon and locking up

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wagnerrp:

the 'original athlon' was the thunderbird

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wagnerrp:

a hot 32-bit 600MHz-1.4GHz line of chips, comparable to the P3 line

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jheizer:

yeah, my current MBE

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jheizer:

looves comm detecting hdpvr recordings

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wagnerrp:

oh, i see what youre saying

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bcgrown:

jheizer: http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherb . . . overview.htm <-- one pci, one minipcie are there any minipci-e gpus?

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Beirdo:

use a frying pan as a heat sink and toss in an egg or two at breakfast time while watching a show

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wagnerrp:

move the guts of the frontend (cpu, mobo, and memory) into the backend

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[R]:

bcgrown: the crystal hd is mini pcie

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jheizer:

correct, and build new quieter frontend

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wagnerrp:

bcgrown: no, but there is the... ^^^

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bcgrown:

crystal hd doesn't do any 3D stuff, does it?

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[R]:

i thought we were talking about myth here

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wagnerrp:

no, it doesnt even have any video outputs

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jheizer:

mobointeresting

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wagnerrp:

compressed video in, decompressed video out

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jheizer:

interesting mobo

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wagnerrp:

which it then pumps over to the graphics card for output

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wagnerrp:

hopefully to be supported in 0.24

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[R]:

THATS WHAT SHE SAID

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[R]:

wagnerrp: come on... you just ask me to say it

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jheizer:

haha

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bcgrown:

jheizer: http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherb . . . overview.htm <-- this is a similar one (lower power i think), but no PCI

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Beirdo:

meh

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jheizer:

yeah, stupid PCI that is killing me

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jheizer:

but ion board + new tuner is not worth it

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[R]:

wtf do you need a tuner in a frontend

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jheizer:

it is tuner #4 hooked up to a dish receiver that stays on the tv

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jheizer:

last in line for if we get real overloaded

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jheizer:

but use the dish box for live tv vs myth

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bcgrown:

jheizer: if you can go for a micro-atx board, you'll have oodles to choose from

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jheizer:

any size board

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jheizer:

can even do atx

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jheizer:

was just trying to find a low power quiet option

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bcgrown:

then what's the problem? there are tons that still have pci slots

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jheizer:

no real problem

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jheizer:

just was asking about the C7 mostly

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bcgrown:

jheizer: i was looking for the same thing, but i decided i needed more horsepower and i'm glad i went with a core 2 duo

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bcgrown:

but then, i am running a combined backend+frontend, and it serves up to two other frontends at the same time

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jheizer:

runs great now just pxebooting

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jheizer:

and the once a week maybe it records over samba to MBE

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jheizer:

just getting to the point I have too much junk running and trying to down size when possible

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jheizer:

like most people here I have a lot more computer than people in the house

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wagnerrp:

to be completely honest... a combined fe/be you really dont want an under-performing box (VIA/Atom) and a dedicated fe, you can just put into standby so power consumption isnt a big issue

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jheizer:

I really need to get standby/reuse working from remotes

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jheizer:

that box uses the tuner ir so can't, but ok as it gets used alot anyway

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[R]:

i need to hack together a script that lets me goto sleep AND is able to wake up my nfs server

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jheizer:

just started up an old laptop fe this week

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[R]:

that would be quite extreme

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wagnerrp:

lets see.... right now there are seven computers online/standby, another two offline but used frequently, and another five built but rarely used

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wagnerrp:

for four people

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jheizer:

have to figure out if it can even resume from usb

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wagnerrp:

not including game systems, pdas... make that 8 online, including my embedded firewall

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jheizer:

crazy isn't it

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[R]:

whatever happened to sally struthers? i loved those commericals wehn i was a kid about getting your degree by mail

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[R]:

"you can major in business management or accounting"

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jheizer:

me – smoothwall, server, 4 myth, 2 desktops, 2 laptops, then other "optionals" like carpc

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jheizer:

2 people

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jheizer:

poor server is an atom330 and works its butt off, mysql, apache, netboot for 3 frontends, backups, etc at least runs off a raptor

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jamesd_:

jheizer, it would work harder if it was a frontend for hd content.... my opteron 2.4ghz dual core uses 1.25 cpus to display hd content and it has an nvidia fx1400 video card.

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wagnerrp:

that 1400 isnt doing you any good

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[R]:

your graphics card ain't gonna do crap if you are using software decoding

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bcgrown:

jamesd_: don't know where the 1400 ranks, but my C2D uses <10% CPU for HD. GPU is an 8400GS

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wagnerrp:

the FX1400 is probably somewhere between a 8500 and 8600

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jheizer:

my main FE now is Athlon 64 X2 5400+ 3.1ghz with onboard 7050 graphics

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jheizer:

can't say I have top with doing hdpvr yet

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jamesd_:

bcgrown-away, its an older workstation class nvidia card only 128MB of ram...

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wagnerrp:

skimpy for a 6-series card

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jamesd_:

its on my list of things to upgrade... want something with 256MB of memory and more processing power

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wagnerrp:

only 256?

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wagnerrp:

256MB was the common capacity for cards of that series

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jamesd_:

its not a gamer box.. looking to spend about $50-$75... tops..

[04:15:27]

wagnerrp:

my 512MB 9800GT was only $100 about a year ago

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jamesd_:

just need to play 1080i tv shows...

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jheizer:

OT why does AMD have to make their proc names so confusing, 64X2 vs III X2 vs X2

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jheizer:

*II X2

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wagnerrp:

Athlon II is their current budget line, Phenom II is their performance line

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wagnerrp:

Xn is the processor count

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jamesd_:

no idea just wish they would do a faster chip for the 939 socket... my $5000 sun ultra 20 needs some love

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wagnerrp:

Phenom, Athlon, 64... all older discontinued brands

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jheizer:

yeah, just have to pay attention and read good

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jamesd_:

Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180

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wagnerrp:

mythtv.org recently bumped up to a pair of 285s

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wagnerrp:

theyre still available, if you know where to look

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jamesd_:

wagnerrp, yeah i saw them, but they want an arm and a leg for them... it would be cheaper to replace the box than buy one or close too it.

[04:20:45]

wagnerrp:

same goes for memory

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wagnerrp:

DDR1 is expensive

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jamesd_:

i have the full 4GB of ram on board.. the box was a bonus for doing a project for Sun.

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jheizer:

hmm, 45watt sempron

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jheizer:

wonder how that would do with a decent vid card

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wagnerrp:

they still make semprons?

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jheizer:

AM3 socket

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jheizer:

I was surprised as well

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wagnerrp:

better off gettting a proper 45W Regor

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jheizer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103698

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npm:

wonders if http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option . . . mp;Itemid=55 makes a front-end

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wagnerrp:

this same processor is sold in a 45W version... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687

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wagnerrp:

its the same physical processor, just binned separately

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to undervolt it pretty low

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jheizer:

was just looking at that one

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wagnerrp:

or you can try to pick one up elsewhere

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jamesd_:

damm hide the credit card!!!... untill i get a job

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wagnerrp:

the 245e is somewhat rare, all the OEMs are gobbling them up

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jheizer:

late night (here at least) internet shopping for toys

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jheizer:

CC, dont have those numbers memorized yet?

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jamesd_:

nope i try to be good...

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jamesd_:

fighting the urge to get a memory upgrade for my HP dl380 g3.... its the anti QUIET box...

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jheizer:

thats ok

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jamesd_:

10 fans and the system likes to keep all runnning full bore 24/7

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jheizer:

this all started for me by looking for a replacement ir receiver since my zap stream or what ever it was called when out

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jheizer:

damn internets calling for my money

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[R]:

3 mpg

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[R]:

how extreme is that

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[R]:

i NEED that car

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wagnerrp:

s/car/APC/

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[R]:

apc?

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wagnerrp:

armored personnel carrier

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[R]:

nah, its the bugatti veyron

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wagnerrp:

oh... 3mpg at 250mph

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[R]:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

dont worry, youll blow the tires before you run out of gas

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[R]:

they talked about how the tires are super special

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[R]:

and SUPER expensive

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wagnerrp:

at 1000hp, you get like 16–20mi out of those tires

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[R]:

i think they said like 12 minutes or something before you run out of gas

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[R]:

maybe it was 20

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wagnerrp:

miles

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[R]:

no, it waas minutes

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wagnerrp:

so like 4–5 minutes of tire life

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wagnerrp:

well regardless, its 'not much'

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i like how you have to stop the car, get out, and lock the spoiler in order to hit top speed

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[R]:

i need to stop being so lazy and get suspend to work on my frontend

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[R]:

but in the end i wonder if i'm actually going to save a decent amount of time

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jheizer:

may order this C7 board just to try anyway

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jheizer:

and if it really really sucks

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jheizer:

will swap it into my router box

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wagnerrp:

it have multiple network ports?

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jheizer:

no, but neither does what I have now

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jheizer:

sadlyy

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jheizer:

eh, who knows what I will do

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wagnerrp:

get something designed for that purpose then

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[R]:

what good is a computer that wakes up 3 seconds after being suspended?

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wagnerrp:

none?

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jheizer:

yeah, most likely will go low end athlon

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[R]:

HAHA

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Beirdo:

qwest's myaccount site... screwed

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jheizer:

hahahah {R}

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jheizer:

[R]

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jheizer:

that sucks

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bcgrown-away:

jamesd_: the 8400gs I got was $40 including shipping, and it's low profile and fanless

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jheizer:

well I am off, have a good evening/dayy all

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Beirdo:

it won't let me sign up saying my email already is managing the number... but it won't accept my email as the user id even though they sent it to me as my user id... invalid characters.

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Beirdo:

OK, so how am I supposed to log in, idiots?

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wagnerrp:

jheizer: i love my little alix for a firewall

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jamesd_:

bcgrown-away, yeap that is what i hope to get... something in that price range....

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[R]:

HAHA

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[R]:

stupid graphical nonsense

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[R]:

pm-suspend works perfectly

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bcgrown-away:

jamesd_: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=49487&v . . . %2FMicroStar

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[R]:

now to create my master plan

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lucas_:

just making sure

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lucas_:

the v4l-dvb driver is actually part of the kernel?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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lucas_:

so, by grabbing the mercurial repo, and building it, I'm basically building a new, untested part of the kernel

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wagnerrp:

no, by grabbing the mercurial repo and building it, you are building external kernel modules

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[R]:

omg, how freakin amazing is that

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lucas_:

and what I really should be doing to keep it all from conflicting / kernel-panicking with bttv and other parts, is grabbing the rest

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[R]:

wagnerrp: first suspend wakes up after 3 seconds, 2nd suspend works... 3rd suspend wakes up after 3 seocnds, 4th suspend works

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wagnerrp:

most of the v4l-dvb stuff is inside the main kernel release

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wagnerrp:

only new support and bugfixes are in the repo

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lucas_:

so, if I want to do this 'the right way', should I download the kernel source, copy new v4l-dvb changes grabbed via hg directly in, and build / install v4l-dvb?

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wagnerrp:

you need a source tree and kernel config to build against

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wagnerrp:

but you keep the mercurial repo separate from it

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justinh:

man, I installed mythbuntu on my frontend last night – worked great & then when I went to power it on to get lirc working before going to work.. nada

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justinh:

needed a CMOS reset just to boot, and then when it did, mythbuntu boots up alright. to a blank screen

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justinh:

no errors in X's log either.

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justinh:

WHAT?! No /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?!

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oobe:

xorg can work without a config now

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justinh:

or not

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oobe:

oh wait i dont think *buntu has implemented that

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oobe:

but it can in newer versions

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justinh:

or not ;-)

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justinh:

it's not even showing the splash screen

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justinh:

ah but with an option in grub, now it boots graphically – without splash screen

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justinh:

and I can't log in

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justinh:

sheesh

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justinh:

so far, 10.04 gets a grand total of MINUS 10 bazillion points

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[R]:

SWEET... i just figured out how to make on-the-fly configurable debug... i WILL figure out why my backend thinks its non-idle!

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justinh:

oh great. now I find out that mythbuntu is doing power saving stuff by default. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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justinh:

and the stupid login screen shouldn't even be appearing

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justinh:

but when I do log in there's an error flashes up & then goes away again. bum

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justinh:

sod this. I'm gonna install something else. I CBA messing around when it DID work last night & I did NOT wilfully change anything

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Beirdo:

oh look, another flapper? :)

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justdave:

I installed 10.04 on mine, haven't had many problems.

[07:03:05]

justdave:

I did have to undo a bunch of the new defaults on it though

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justdave:

disable the powersave was, yes, one of them

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martin_:

I just upgraded to mythbuntu 10.04 and the reusult was not too encouraging. No problem with the backend, but my livingroom frontend now has a striped image (pal tv out on an ati card) and my bedroom frontend (4g powermac with integrated screen) just outputs white noise

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justdave:

I had to rebuild vino from a source package.

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justdave:

they built it to use the gnome keychain for the vnc server password

[07:05:18]

justdave:

which means it prompts the user for the keychain password when they log in so it can unlock it.

[07:05:32]

justdave:

of course, if nobody's there to do that, you're screwed.

[07:05:54]

justdave:

it's a compile-time option which is off by default, and they decided to enable it.

[07:06:11]

justdave:

just had to remove that option from the configure command line in the debian/rules file and rebuild it

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justdave:

getting a password prompt pop up in front of mythfrontend after rebooting the machine, that you can't enter a password into with a remote, is a little annoying. :)

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Beirdo:

dangit, octavsly... stop flapping, please

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Beirdo:

joe-: long time no see :)

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justinh:

justdave: disabling powersaving might be tricky if I can't actually log in though

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justdave:

yeah, would be. I didn't have that problem fortunately.

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justinh:

IMHO enabling powersaving like that when not all hardware supports it is stupid

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justinh:

I think my frontend hardware does support powersaving but not with default bios settings

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justdave:

fwiw, there's an xorg.conf.d directory somewhere now

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justdave:

I forget where

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justdave:

you can put snippets of sections in there

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justdave:

make new files or whatever

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justinh:

/usr/lib/ ?! :-O

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justdave:

everything in the directory gets loaded

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justdave:

the wacom stuff they always throw in there is in that directory

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justinh:

usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-wacom.conf

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justdave:

most of the actual monitor stuff gets auto-detected, but you can override things by putting that section in a file there.

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justdave:

yep

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justinh:

stupid stupid stupid stupid

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justinh:

it wasn't broken the old way!

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justinh:

I can see me putting slack on my frontend & to hell with *buntu

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justdave:

I had to do that for my old analog TV, because xorg wouldn't detect the TV-out jack correctly

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justdave:

(the RCA composite video out)

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justinh:

wonder where the config files mythbuntu controlcenter changes are

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jamesd_:

most of the settings are stored in a mysql database, including those for the frontends

[08:01:37]

justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

for the controlcenter stuff?

[08:02:21]

justinh:

I somehow doubt that

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jamesd_:

not really sure what you mean by control center but i found 99% of all the stuff used to configure mythbuntu in the database.

[08:03:07]

jamesd_:

never mind... bed time... mythtv stuff is all in the database

[08:03:22]

justinh:

I KNOW that mythtv stuff is in the database (mythconverg)

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jamesd_:

the contol center.. is somewhere else... sorry its late.

[08:03:28]

justinh:

duh

[08:03:35]

justinh:

.ignore -replies jamesd_

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

well, this could be the cause of some of the problem: gnome-session[1130]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'metacity.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "metacity" (No such file or directory)

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justinh:

well well well. this install is totally borked

[08:26:51]

justinh:

nice, considering I only left it for a few hours & it went into some retarded powersave mode & messed itself up

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lapion:

can anyone help me with the following problems:

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lapion:

1. progressive scanned video is not autodetected, even though all channels are progressive

[08:28:12]

justdave:

mythbuntu control center is an app that does install/remove of mythtv-related components in mythbuntu

[08:28:13]

lapion:

2. on all analog channels audio is out of sync, for 500 msec, and I have to manually set this every time I tune

[08:28:27]

justdave:

personally, I don't think it has any settings file

[08:28:35]

justdave:

everything it does is related to some other service on the box

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lapion:

3. extreme ghosting, at a certain moment it seems like a certain loop of video becomes sort of embedded ghosted...

[08:28:53]

justdave:

it can tell what's selected by looking at the package list and seeing what's installed

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justdave:

or by reading config files for the apps it controls

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quentusrex__:

Is anyone familiar with jamu?

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quentusrex__:

I have a few modification suggestions

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quentusrex__:

such as don't just show me the file name, show me the folder/filename

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[R]:

quentusrex__: so write a patch and submit it

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quentusrex__:

so I can see which folder it is in

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quentusrex__:

[R], I'd like to but I'm a perl guy not python.

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quentusrex__:

I can help test if someone can help write.

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justinh:

justdave: ahh

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justinh:

looks like I need to reinstall anyway. it's too messed up & all I had to lose was the lirc config, which I've backed up

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justinh:

I dunno though, maybe my old nfsroot dir didn't get corrupted

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justinh:

I could go that way too :)

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pak0:

i can watch channels with hvr3000 under kaffeine but mythtv cant find anyone

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Guest39837:

lirc is responding to fast for my remote giveing multiple key presses

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Guest39837:

what are reasonable numbers to put in the lirc crc

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Guest39837:

for mythtv

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Guest39837:

If i hold down the right arrow for example it scrolls so fast through the menu i cant read it

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Jay2k1:

just try out some

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Guest39837:

and when i go to choose a recording it jumps 2 or 3 at a time

[09:34:23]

Guest39837:

I have

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Jay2k1:

try 5, 10, 20... until you found something that works for you

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Jay2k1:

it's different for every remote

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Guest39837:

do i need to restrt lirc each time

[09:34:54]

Guest39837:

or myth?

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Guest39837:

Im using a keyboard type remote and inputdev so i can use lirc to rempa keys

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Guest39837:

thats remap

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Jay2k1:

um, i don't quite get it

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Jay2k1:

when you enter a number for ignoring repeats in the lirc conf

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Jay2k1:

it should always work

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Jay2k1:

ah you mean when you change

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Jay2k1:

i guess a lirc restart or reload should work

[09:39:32]

Jay2k1:

myth has nothing to do with that

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lapion:

Can I have the tv-frontend active while the card will be recording from the same deivce ?

[11:10:40]

justinh:

if you watch live tv it IS recording

[11:11:06]

justinh:

that is to say, while you 'watch tv' in mythtv, it is being recorded & you are watching what is being recorded

[11:11:56]

Jay2k1:

which is cool because if you missed, let's say, an important goal while watching soccer, you can rewind

[11:11:56]

lapion:

I had it active while beign away, however I could not rewind all the way to the beginnign

[11:12:27]

lapion:

even though I even scheduled a recording..

[11:13:44]

lapion:

I had it in that mode, because for some reason mythtv will not autodetect correctly that all tv transmissions are progressive

[11:14:17]

lapion:

and because I have to set the audio delay by 500ms/or

[11:15:10]

lapion:

jamesd_,

[11:15:24]

lapion:

Jay2k1, and justinh any ideas ?

[11:15:46]

Jay2k1:

unfortunately not

[11:16:13]

Jay2k1:

i never tried to rewind livetv that far back, but neither do i have problems with progressive transmissions

[11:16:35]

lapion:

can I turn off the frontend ?

[11:17:07]

lapion:

I get flicking video if I do not set progressive

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Jay2k1:

you can exit the frontend if you mean that

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lapion:

Jay2k1, so only the backend will be running ?

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Jay2k1:

yes

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Jay2k1:

i'm using mythwelcome, that's like a status screen for a myth machine

[11:19:25]

Jay2k1:

says if it is recording, what's next to be recorded

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Jay2k1:

and it has a button "start frontend"

[11:19:46]

Jay2k1:

my machine is set to auto shutdown after 60 seconds idle when the FE is not running

[11:20:44]

lapion:

thabnks, off to work..

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clever:

lapion: if your having to set the audio delay to 500ms, it sounds like you might be doing something very wrong

[11:26:14]

justinh:

like using pulseaudio ;-)

[11:26:35]

** justinh wishes PA would go die in a fire **

[11:27:09]

clever:

it could also be that he isnt even routing the audio thru myth

[11:31:28]

pak0:

finally got one hvr 3000 working with the guide of wiki for hvr 4000, but remotes seems to be hard

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zaprat:

hi

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zaprat:

hi

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lucas_:

hai

[12:03:09]

zaprat:

I was wondering if there is anyway to simplfy the record choices in mythtv. I am trying to move from win 7 mc to mythtv but I am likely to achieve this with complex options

[12:03:18]

zaprat:

available for record

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zaprat:

At it simplest I am looking for record now, record series and dont record, cancel series and cancel recording

[12:04:31]

lucas_:

I am also trying to move from win 7 mc to mythtv

[12:05:01]

lucas_:

bought a $100 card recommended by this channel only to find that the sound doesn't work and that mythtv does some very, very strange things by default

[12:05:23]

zaprat:

check the drivers

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lucas_:

yeah, I already rebuilt them as per the wiki, which is basically the only documentation available

[12:06:08]

lucas_:

kernel-panicked at least twice, had to remove a bt878 card also included in the machine because the two drivers can't coexist

[12:06:16]

zaprat:

would they be realtek HD?

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lucas_:

Year of the Linux Desktop!

[12:06:21]

pak0:

anyone know any guide for having the remote of hvr 3000 working? i can do it, but with only 4 keys working, and when i do "irw" i can see a normal commands, only rare inputs

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lucas_:

nope, Hauppauge HVR-1600

[12:07:44]

zaprat:

I have a hvr-2200 (almost) which worked out the box after I download the fw drivers

[12:08:17]

lucas_:

except no analog MPEG encoder, right? so you're kinda SOL if you want to actually watch TV provided by your cable subscription

[12:08:39]

zaprat:

Although I had to muck around with Upstart on the backend to delay the start of te he start of backend until the firmware was loaded

[12:10:15]

zaprat:

MPEG encode would be nice but I intend to steal the pvr150mce from windowhgs 7 machine as soon I gather the strength to lift if out of the cupboard

[12:11:04]

zaprat:

top shelf with 4 harddrives and solid case makes lifting a chore

[12:11:16]

lucas_:

what seems really bizarre to me besides the lack of mouse pointer, or the amazingly bad UI, or the graphics glitches that make it impossible to tell which menu item you're selecting, or any of a billion other things

[12:11:44]

lucas_:

is the way MythTV records live TV to your drive, but then forgets to clean up after you change the channel

[12:12:09]

lucas_:

that's going to fill up any drive rather quickly I'd guess

[12:13:20]

zaprat:

so If get this, if you watch tv and it saves to the buffer and then change channels the buffer files is left indefinitely

[12:13:56]

lucas_:

yeah, doesn't make any sense at all

[12:14:07]

lucas_:

I'd say it's a configuration problem but this is out-of-the-box

[12:14:30]

zaprat:

did you use a mythbuntu build?

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lucas_:

anywhere you ask for support, the answer is 'well, we don't have any obligation to make our product not suck'

[12:14:59]

lucas_:

anywhere you look elsewhere on the internet, the unison is 'Linux is flawless in every way imaginable and if you disagree you're a M$ shill'

[12:15:36]

lucas_:

either way, looks like I'm out $100

[12:15:41]

zaprat:

I use win 7 mc and my family loves it as a media center

[12:15:52]

zaprat:

It will take a lot to shift them off it

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zaprat:

but I like open source and i was checking if myth had made any improvements since I last used it. The answer is yes and no

[12:18:00]

zaprat:

the UI is better with the new themes but its still overkilll

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lucas_:

it's hard to imagine this being any worse

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zaprat:

dont be to hard on it. it is lot better than 12 months ago

[12:19:22]

zaprat:

this time it only took me 1 hour to get working from scratch, last time I tried about 12 months it took me 3 days

[12:20:05]

lucas_:

ha

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GreyFoxx:

lucas: Myth cleans up the files after 24 hours OR if space is neededfor another recording

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lucas_:

frontend hard-locked

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GreyFoxx:

the interface was designed to be used with a remote, not a mouse so the mouse was never considerd. It was not intended as a "desktop app"

[12:20:38]

lucas_:

but the cap card is still displaying video to the window, so it's simply in black-and-white to indicate it's locked

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GreyFoxx:

BUT as more and more is ported to mythui more and more is mouse capable

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zaprat:

have you got sleep working yet. Last time I tried it was flaky, I am not sure I want to bother with it this time'

[12:21:18]

GreyFoxx:

If you can't tell what item you have selected that sounds like a theme issue (missing highlight image or something)

[12:21:40]

zaprat:

10 foot app

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lucas_:

no, GreyFoxx, the window display is glitched. sometimes things will appear out of nowhere for no reason, sometimes the menu isn't redrawn properly over the video

[12:22:12]

GreyFoxx:

The "livetv" stuff doesn't sit around forever unless you manually dick around with the database

[12:22:29]

zaprat:

note myth needs 2 themes one for the gui, the other for the overlays

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lucas_:

think like an awful ATI driver with most Qt windows

[12:23:00]

lucas_:

this theme is out-of-the-box, I simply grabbed the Fedora RPM off of yum via RPMFusion

[12:23:02]

zaprat:

NVIDIA man

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zaprat:

for linux

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GreyFoxx:

lucas: Only time I've ever seen what you describe is when I had a bad video driver version for 1 of my cards. And only on that card. "rebooting" cleared it up but a week later it would happen again. A new driver versions "fixed" it

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zaprat:

ATI for windows (assuming you have chosen your driver wisely)

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lucas_:

I guess I should mention I'm using an Nvidia card on this computer

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zaprat:

the latest nvidia driver seems stable to me

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't updated the drivers on mine in about 4 months now since I haven

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GreyFoxx:

t had any reason too. I imagine there is likely a new version out now

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zaprat:

I havent tried to much hd content yet so I should hold judgement of the latest driver till then

[12:26:48]

zaprat:

but SD is fined

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GreyFoxx:

up until a couple months ago 99% of my content was HD. But I didn't want to keep paying the bill so I dropped my HD service . Switching to a sat service that comes with more HD channels and is half the price every month which I'll capture with an HDPVR

[12:27:41]

zaprat:

My understanding is the blue ray is not working yet, is my understanding correct

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GreyFoxx:

zap: Yes, there is no feature complete linux based bluray decryption library

[12:28:10]

GreyFoxx:

so you'd have to rip/decrypt it first

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GreyFoxx:

but after that myth will play it

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zaprat:

given this open source, what will DRM mean to HD content

[12:28:42]

zaprat:

on myth

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GreyFoxx:

You have to be more specific with your question :)

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zaprat:

Ok, my understanding that the latest blue ray h/w will enforce DRM and soon the disc will to. This enforcement will mean that unless all items in the chain are DRM compliant (including OS) the output will be slated to SD only

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zaprat:

I have also heard there is discussion to disable component out and limit it to HDMI only

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zaprat:

is my understanding correct?

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GreyFoxx:

As long as any part of that chain is done in software then it is optional

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GreyFoxx:

the "downgrading" to SD would require the bluray drive to actually decode and reencode the video which isn't gonna happenm

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GreyFoxx:

Now a full on bluray player might very well do that if HDCP requirements are not satisfied.... but that's a different beast

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zaprat:

I may do some more reading for interest sake wikipedia is my friend.

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GreyFoxx:

and yeah in some cases in the US some prividers are looking to disable component but only on the ondemand movies and such which are still in theature and not available on disk. So far they are not planning/allowed for other content

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GreyFoxx:

But even that is easily gotten around

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zaprat:

I heard some comment on this entertainment 2.0 podcast

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zaprat:

It wont effect me as wife is limiting me to SD only as she is not interested in new tv.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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zaprat:

it may corupt the kids

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GreyFoxx:

Mine didn't care if I got a new TV, but I can tell she loves it :)

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GreyFoxx:

But most of our stuff is just rips of our DVD collections and SDTV recordings anyway

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zaprat:

her view the more unpleasant the viewing experience, the more fuzzy blocky and drop out the better. I guess dr phil does need to be hd

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zaprat:

I mean not need dr phil does not need to be hd

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lucas_:

maybe that's why the display is zoomed-in and jerky

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lucas_:

it's retro!

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GreyFoxx:

to each their own :) I like HD stuff but only to a point

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zaprat:

she has a point my kids are pretty smart and I put that down to minimal tv and no console games

[12:39:41]

zaprat:

and lots of books

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zaprat:

on the topic of myth, what is the best theme for SD 4x3 tv

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GreyFoxx:

dunno I use the same wide theme on everything, including my older 4x3 tv's in other rooms

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zaprat:

I tried a few but either the text is cutoff or it only suitable for widescreen

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GreyFoxx:

but I use to use mythcenter back then

[12:42:30]

zaprat:

I tried mythcenter but the recording descriptions were cutoff.

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GreyFoxx:

What resolution is your X set to?

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zaprat:

Havent looked. I am assuming 720x576. How do I check

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gbee:

is there any particular BD drives I should buy or avoid?

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gbee:

s/is/are/

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GreyFoxx:

I've always just looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log but I'm sure there is a "proper" way . If you are using an nvidia card just run nvidia-settings

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zaprat:

OK

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zaprat:

what resolution should it be set

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zaprat:

to

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I'm curious about that too. With BR content now showing up in the $9.99 bins are the local grocery stores it's time to stop buying DVD's :)

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lucas_:

jesus christ

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lucas_:

blockbuster's that bankrupt?

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GreyFoxx:

zap: How are you connecting to the TV?

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zaprat:

composite – dont laugh

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't been in a BlockBuster video store in years :)

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lucas_:

you and everyone else in America

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah, and the price of the drives are coming down too, half what they were at the end of last year

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lucas_:

except for my mom, who combs through such places for used DVDs for around $5 a piece with the words 'ghost', 'mystery' or 'love' in the title

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not American, but I get your point. Most people I know would rather buy than rent for crazy prices

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zaprat:

I am in australia and I never been to a blockbuster. I think we have them

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lucas_:

didn't know it was an international chain

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GreyFoxx:

It is :)

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lucas_:

not for long!

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Nice :")

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GreyFoxx:

zap: Go for 800x600. It will still be scaled down by the video card to x576 BUT it will look better, trust me

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lucas_:

so I'm assuming that my installation is broken, or people wouldn't be using this

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GreyFoxx:

luca: It sounds like yours is very broken

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lucas_:

I grabbed it from yum, not entirely sure how it could be

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GreyFoxx:

I've installed this for literally more than 50 people, on dozens of different hardware settups (though all nvidia and such, all slackware manually compiled) and not run into what you are describing and have been running it myself for almost 7 years, all with less problems than you have mentioned so far this morning :)

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lucas_:

using the card the channel recommended a week ago

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GreyFoxx:

"the channel" isn't a person :)

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GreyFoxx:

and doesn't say anything about distro, drivers , nor odd hardware interaction quirks

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GreyFoxx:

Iv'e got one ethernet card that if it's in a specific PC will randomly "freak out" and sends some sort of signal that literally locks up 2 upstream switches

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't matter the os or drivers

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GreyFoxx:

put that card in another box and it's yet to happen again

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GreyFoxx:

I unplug ethernet to that one card and the switches started working again heh It took me hours of scratching my head to figure out wtf was going on :)

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lucas_:

I once heard a guy talk about how he had to debug gcc causing significant floating-point roundoff errors

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lucas_:

using -Os

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lucas_:

in an embedded environment

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lucas_:

that pretty much tells the whole story; probably about a solid week of 'how in the hell is that happening...'

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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lucas_:

anyway, card's working fine in W7. just grabbed the v4l-dvb driver a few hours ago from LinuxTV.org's mercurial repo, built it and installed it with default parameters as suggested in MythTV's wiki entry on this particular card

[12:56:56]

** GreyFoxx sighs as he must actually do some work while at work **

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lucas_:

all it really did was cause kernel panics by conflicting with bttv, probably could get it to panic now if I loaded it in

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ThisOtherGuy:

Can anyone help me understand why the scheduler is picking a non-HD show over an HD show? It chooses the Weeds in HD at 9:30pm (correctly), but Weeds in SD at 9:00pm (incorrectly) – any idea why?

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pak0:

lirc + hvr 3000 + lucid seems to be impossible

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yunosh:

hi, jamu is not inserting fanart to recordings that contains non-ascii chars, though it does find them if called on the console. is that a known issue? anything i could do about this?

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yunosh:

no, wait, it does. looks like mythtv is not picking them up from the filesystem

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RDV_Linux:

yunosh: The jamu -MW option just downloads images (Posters and Fanart) for TV shows and Movies that are displayed in the Watch Recordings. Jamu does not display those images MythTV does. The image hunt will currently not display some images.

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yunosh:

that's not what i asked, but see above, this has nothing to do with jamu at all, it seems

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RDV_Linux:

yunosh: The image hunt may be not dealing with the non-ascii characters.

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yunosh:

uhm, yes, that's what i guessed :) but "may" is not very helpful

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yunosh:

is that a known bug?

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iamlindoro:

Funny, it looked like he was being very helpful to me

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iamlindoro:

It seems a lot more like you're the one being rude to the one and only person speaking to you, and one of two people most equipped to know about your issue

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure it out since you have such obvious distaste for those attempting to assist you

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lucas_:

the snooty tone doesn't carry across IRC :(

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lucas_:

or that would have been a lot more effective

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iamlindoro:

And stay out!

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pak0:

is there any way to recompile lirc or somthing to get working my remote of hvr 3000? i have do it something with v4l and have this card working

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lucas_:

so I take it I'll get a lengthy speech too if I ask for help?

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pak0:

i have followed the guide for hvr 4000 and get working the hvr 3000 but remote only work 4 keys

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iamlindoro:

lucas_, Only if you're discourteous to those who attempt to offer it

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justinh:

pak0: irw or mythtv?

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justinh:

pak0: try irw. if all buttons output something, then your lircrc file is wrong

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** justinh smashes mythbuntu over the head with a flaming axe **

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pak0:

irw

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justinh:

what kind of distro is working when you go to bed, then suspends in the middle of the night & breaks itself?

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lucas_:

well, here's the thing. I asked for a card to buy last week, it arrived, I installed it, went through the motions of installing and setting up MythTV

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pak0:

i only have 4 keys working on irw

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justinh:

pak0: so that'll be a problem for the guys in #lirc

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pak0:

thank you

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lucas_:

and currently the video doesn't look right, the sound doesn't work at all, the frontend UI is seriously messed up

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justinh:

lucas_: that's not a very good description

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justinh:

doesn't look right?

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justinh:

seriously messed up?

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lucas_:

jerky. very, very jerky

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justinh:

que?

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lucas_:

only about 60% of the actual video stream is shown

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justinh:

oh ATI graphics

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lucas_:

nope. Nvidia

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justinh:

without the proper drivers installed?

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lucas_:

mythfrontend has crashed at least once

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iamlindoro:

Broken signal

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lucas_:

Nvidia's proprietary drivers are installed, from RPMFusion via yum

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lucas_:

should mention, I'm using Fedora

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justinh:

ahhh. Wrong distro

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lucas_:

the latest v4l drivers are in... god damnit

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iamlindoro:

lucas_, channel language rules

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justinh:

I mean wrong distro for me to be able to (er want to) help

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iamlindoro:

You an post frontend logs to a pastebin if you like, but in all liklihood they will reveal one of two things: Damaged stream from poor signal (this is if your description is accurate) or using the incorrect playback profile (if your description is sort-of accurate)

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iamlindoro:

If you are seeing only some of the video and the rest macroblocks and breaks up before showing back up, that's broken signal-- if you're seeing all of the video but it pauses a lot, that's wrong playback profile or inadequate hardware

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justinh:

the frontend ui being messed up doesn't sound like playback profile or signal issues though

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justinh:

that smacks more of broken video drivers or something

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iamlindoro:

E_NOTENOUGHINFO

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lucas_:

video works fine, to be honest, but only the center portion is shown

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justinh:

like I said. wth is 'seriously messed up' ?

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lucas_:

the edges are cut off

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lucas_:

playback is otherwise smooth. some channels are in black-and-white, some channels are rather ... off, as if the channel frequency list isn't right

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justinh:

ah analogue. yuck

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lucas_:

audio not working at all.

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justinh:

you've not read the docs about how you're meant to set up audio

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lucas_:

yeah, analog. I have digital cable, most of the channels come in encrypted, some of them are in analog

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iamlindoro:

What capture card is this?

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lucas_:

the docs tell me to remove and install the module over and over again until the sound comes on, and oh god I wish I were kidding

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lucas_:

Hauppauge HVR-1600

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

the one where analogue capture isn't quite working yet? or is that something else?

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iamlindoro:

That's the 1800

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iamlindoro:

1600 is fine

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iamlindoro:

Could be a combination of things, all of which are user configuration issues

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iamlindoro:

no sound is either incorrect capture card setup or you just haven't configured sound properly in mythfrontend

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justinh:

btw got linux working on my joggler today

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iamlindoro:

blakc and white/screwy video is almost definitely having scanned for channels (bad) and/or used the wrong frequency table

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lucas_:

I've used the service that was set up after everyone pissed off Zap2it with annoying demands

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lucas_:

$20 a year

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justinh:

yeah well -like everything else it's easier to come out with this stuff if furnished with the right information in the first place

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justinh:

language again

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iamlindoro:

Zap2It didn't have annoying demands

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lucas_:

the users did

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iamlindoro:

they disappeared

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iamlindoro:

Not exactly

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justinh:

SD was set up in answer to there being no legal way to get EPG data for mythtv anymore

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justinh:

(in the US etc)

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lucas_:

users said they'd pay for it, so they do

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lucas_:

it's a pretty decent service tbh

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lucas_:

was just curious to know what happened to the old one

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justinh:

so? is everybody not happy? apart from freetards I mean

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justinh:

teh informations must be frees!

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iamlindoro:

It wasn't set up because someone figured out people would pay for it

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lucas_:

I'm in at least five different flamewars with those guys right now

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justinh:

wow. those still going? :-O

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iamlindoro:

It was set up out of necessity after people from many different projects started selling products based on the free not-licensed-for-commercial data they were getting from Zap2It

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lucas_:

I really need to learn how to not take everything so personally

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justinh:

lucas_: there's only one answer: everybody else is wrong.

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lucas_:

it's like you're psychic!

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justinh:

anyway if some channels look ok while others don't,I'd suggest the cable signal is crap

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lucas_:

all channels work fine in W7

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justinh:

one split too many perhaps

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lucas_:

that's another thing: do I have to split if I want the two or three digital HD channels on the other tuner?

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justinh:

the card is split internally unless it has more than one antenna/cable sockey

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justinh:

I definitely remember you being told this before

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lucas_:

just wanted to make sure I had that right. my card has two inputs, so I'll need to split

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justinh:

no, it has one analogue cable input & one digital ATSC/ QAM input

[14:21:37]

justinh:

oh wait yeah. duh

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justinh:

long day, and nissed off with ubuntu

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justinh:

stupid fisher-price OS

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wagnerrp:

'installed on virgin HDD disk media'... WTF does that mean?

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wagnerrp:

hes never taken the drive out of the computer, and rubbed himself all over it?

[14:24:31]

clever:

brand new?

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lucas_:

seems that either mythtv or qt or something doesn't like Fedora's 'Desktop Effects'

[14:25:02]

lucas_:

which is basically compiz

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justinh:

ah. successful mythbuntu install tip- find a virgin, one who owns a computer. take the HDD out of the computer & spray it with the blood of said virgin

[14:25:15]

lucas_:

much easier to move around in mythfrontend now

[14:25:19]

clever:

lucas_: gl renderer?

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clever:

or painter

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justinh:

it was all about chickens & goats when I started with linux.. now we're spraying HDDs with virgins' blood. That's high tech

[14:28:05]

lucas_:

my guess: GL before, QPainter now

[14:28:51]

lucas_:

unless you mean there's some profile setting within mythtv that I haven't found yet

[14:28:53]

justinh:

there's some secret incantation you can use to make mythtv coexist with the junk they call compiz

[14:29:15]

justinh:

just disable compiz. it's not worth giving up the gl painter in mythfrontend

[14:29:54]

clever:

lucas_: mythtv itself has a gl painter option, and if you use it at the same time as compiz, the screen just becomes totaly garbled

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lucas_:

well, that fixed basically everything but the audio I think.

[14:36:22]

lucas_:

all profiles were set to 224kbps to avoid transcoding it, as described in the wiki, so

[14:36:34]

lucas_:

now it's just a matter of removing and installing the module over and over and over and over again

[14:38:19]

wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: maybe something like... http://<backend>:6544/Myth/GetVideo?Id=<whatever>

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wagnerrp:

could someone else test that above link on their system?

[14:40:29]

wagnerrp:

i /know/ ive used it in the past

[14:40:36]

wagnerrp:

but i cant get it to work currently

[14:41:02]

wagnerrp:

wondering if its a regression in 0.23, or a problem in my setup

[14:44:41]

mcl0vin:

i did a fresh install , but now when i watch live tv the picture look noisy, am using s-video for input

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wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: bump up the bitrate on your recording profiles

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: and i changed my ausio rate to 4100 and now all what i can hear is "woooosh"

[14:49:08]

wagnerrp:

4100 what? that value makes no sense for anything audio

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all – can anyone help me with my scheduling question?

[14:51:22]

wagnerrp:

nope... cant answer a question that hasnt been asked

[14:51:25]

skd5aner:

won't know until you ask it

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ThisOtherGuy:

I asked before but no one answered – here goes again: Can anyone help me understand why the scheduler is picking a non-HD show over an HD show? It chooses the Weeds in HD at 9:30pm (correctly), but Weeds in SD at 9:00pm (incorrectly) – any idea why?

[14:54:11]

wagnerrp:

the two shows are of equal priority, so it picks the first

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ThisOtherGuy:

I don't think they are – the hd channel has a priority of 0 and the sd channel has a priority of -1

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mcl0vin:

i have to cranck my amp volume all the way up to hear the audio , but if i played a video it will sound normal

[14:55:46]

ThisOtherGuy:

wagnerrp: here's part of the output from -print-sched : http://pastebin.com/iV7GMCmV

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skd5aner:

ThisOtherGuy: same network?

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skd5aner:

Looks like they both start at 9:30

[14:56:34]

skd5aner:

I mean, 9:00

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ThisOtherGuy:

skd5aner: They're both shotime

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ThisOtherGuy:

right – so shouldn't it pick the hd one? the one with the higher priority?

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skd5aner:

yea, but your callsign is different – so the scheduler sees them as 2 completely unique networks, which isn't necessarily wrong

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skd5aner:

what is the order of your tuners?

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wagnerrp:

order shouldnt matter if they are not of the same priority

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skd5aner:

true

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skd5aner:

What does the "4 6 6" and "4 0 0" mean on the output?

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skd5aner:

I know the rest, but can't recall what those columns are

[15:00:38]

ThisOtherGuy:

it says "S C I"

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wagnerrp:

source, channel, ?

[15:01:08]

ThisOtherGuy:

for those columns – I think C is the capture card #6 vs. no card (0)

[15:01:12]

wagnerrp:

input?

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: were do i bump up my bitrate for my recording profile

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ThisOtherGuy:

lemme check the code

[15:01:44]

wagnerrp:

mcl0vin: deep in the frontend settings

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ThisOtherGuy:

sourceId, cardId, inputId

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: are you running 0.23?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, sort of, but I mean any file from a SG. ie, recordings, fanart, coverart, banners, etc. something like http://<backendip>:6544/<StorageGrou . . . FileName>

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: that would certainly make it more generic, but as it stands you should be able to feed the ID to a player

[15:03:22]

wagnerrp:

although it doesnt seem to be working for me

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wagnerrp:

writing another mechanism like that would just mean one less step (no database lookup)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yes, I'm running .23

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wagnerrp:

using mythvideo?

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skd5aner:

yes

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wagnerrp:

would you mind trying http://<backend>:6544/Myth/GetVideo?Id=<whatever> ?

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skd5aner:

ID=filename?

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wagnerrp:

ID = id

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wagnerrp:

intid in videometadata

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skd5aner:

ok, initid

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wagnerrp:

just do 'select intid from videometadata limit 1' in mysql

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skd5aner:

yea, give me a moment

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter what file

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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skd5aner:

should I be looking for anything in partcular to return/happen?

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wagnerrp:

your browser initiate a file download

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, its doing nothing for me

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, nothing for me either

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wagnerrp:

hmm....

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wagnerrp:

im fairly certain ive pulled video over it, and i /know/ ive used mythweb/mythmusic over that interface

[15:10:25]

wagnerrp:

mythweb is designed to pull music from the backend using that if it cannot find it locally

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skd5aner:

I can get the status page at 6544/

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wagnerrp:

right

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skd5aner:

yea, but no joy on the other part

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wagnerrp:

i also thought i had written those into the bindings as well, but it seems not

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skd5aner:

let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to test

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skd5aner:

I may be jumping around, if I don't respond right away

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wagnerrp:

no, thats it

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: :) i can't find it, sorry

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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mcl0vin:

wagnerrp: am using Hauppage WinTv-HVR-1600

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lucas_:

join the club!

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lucas_:

your sound is broken too, I take it?

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wagnerrp:

utilities --> setup --> tv settings -->recording profiles --> mpeg2 encoders

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iamlindoro:

No, his sound is not broken

[15:25:14]

iamlindoro:

Again, your sound issue is a configuration issue

[15:25:35]

iamlindoro:

Either you have the capture device improperly set up, or you have not properly configured frontend sound settings

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lucas_:

yeah I'm sure it is

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lucas_:

what more exactly do you want me to do?

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iamlindoro:

You could try playing a recording in a "known working" player on your system and see if you get audio

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lucas_:

there's no sound options anywhere in mythtvsetup as I'm using ivtv capture, the bitrate is 224kbps on all platforms as advised

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lucas_:

I'm not aware of any other 'known working' players

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iamlindoro:

do you get audio if you play a video in mplayer?

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lucas_:

how exactly would I do that? mplayer tv://4?

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iamlindoro:

Not tv, a video

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iamlindoro:

a regular, plain old video that you know has an audio track

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lucas_:

yes, my sound system is working

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iamlindoro:

If that has audio, then play use mplayer to play back a recording made in myth

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iamlindoro:

If that has audio, then it's not capture card setup

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iamlindoro:

And it's just that you have not properly configured audio in mythfrontend

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lucas_:

I'm playing back some live TV dumped into the video directory I made. no audio

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lucas_:

this was, however, recorded by mythbackend itself

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iamlindoro:

Then you have a capture card misconfiguration or a driver issue

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lucas_:

yeah: 'the driver's broken'

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lucas_:

which is why I ask again

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iamlindoro:

There are plenty of people happily using their HVR-1600's, though, so I wouldn't be so quick to blame the driver

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lucas_:

is his audio working?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, his audio is working

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iamlindoro:

please try to maintain some courtesy

[15:30:41]

iamlindoro:

You are getting free help, you could at least make it pleasant to give it

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lucas_:

'you're to blame and you're making me angry'

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that's exactly the kind of attitude you should refrain from having

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lucas_:

well, you started it by repeating 'YOU DIDN'T SET UP EVERYTHING RIGHT YOU NAUGHTY NAUGHTY BOY' about a hundred times

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iamlindoro:

"started" what? Giving you explicit help?

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lucas_:

you assume the user's a moron.

[15:32:38]

iamlindoro:

In all liklihood, you *didn't* set something up right. I've now helped you determine more accurately where the problem lies

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lucas_:

that's a common theme in basically all Linux support channels, whether via IRC, message boards, mailing lists...

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wagnerrp:

no, we assume this is complex stuff, and its easy to get wrong if you miss something

[15:32:52]

** jams grows tired of this bickering **

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, if you feel you're better off on your own, best of luck with that

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lucas_:

I don't, which is why I'm still here

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iamlindoro:

Then maybe you could try being a little less confrontational?

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lucas_:

well, it's hard to forget that I wasted a bunch of money on something that's not going to work.

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iamlindoro:

Nobody here kidnapped you and held you at gunpoint while you purchased the card-- it's a perfectly viable capture option in myth, but ultimately we need to take responsibility for our own setups

[15:36:19]

iamlindoro:

The device is in all liklihood fine

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, that GetVideo uses the upnpmedia table, not videometadata

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lucas_:

yeah, it is, that's what is so frustrating

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iamlindoro:

What physical connections are you using to capture video?

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mcl0vin:

screw it, i fix something and another thing breaks , i spent a little over a week to get this this to work , but its taking too much time

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: oh? well i guess that would make sense

[15:37:12]

** mcl0vin think to just head to BestBuy and buy me a DVR **

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: K, good luck, hope you like it

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lucas_:

just a coax cable into the analog port. no internal bridge audio cable, like the old bt878. plugged into a PCI bus

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: will the upnpmedia table go away with your recording/video convergence patch?

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Captain_Murdoch:

would be trivial to modify that to take a filename and use the SG code to find the filename and serve that up.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I hope so, but haven't looked at it at all.

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sphery:

cool

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lucas_:

any idea why kernel module cx18_alsa is reported as in use (and therefore unremovable)? ps ax | grep myth doesn't turn up anything

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: i really don't know what to do

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: Well sounds like you've decided what you want to do, and we support you

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highzeth:

lucas_: lsmod |grep cx18 would make more sense to find out what other module depend on it

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: Though I suspect you hoped that making such a statement would result in us falling all over ourselves to fix things for you-- we're just not that kind of group ;)

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lucas_:

no modules depend on cx18_alsa

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highzeth:

modinfo cx18_alsa agree on that?

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: no true

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: Cool.

[15:41:38]

iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: Well, I hope you're able to find something you like then

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mcl0vin:

iamlindoro: are you being an ass dude

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iamlindoro:

nope

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sphery:

mcl0vin: IMHO, MythTV is only appropriate for use by people who like to tinker (possibly even those who would prefer tinkering to watching TV).

[15:42:11]

lucas_:

it has dependencies to cx18, snd and snd-pcm

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mcl0vin:

i am just frustrated

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iamlindoro:

If tinkering is not for you, then neither is myth

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lucas_:

nothing depends on it, though

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sphery:

mcl0vin: if you're not having fun, you're probably better off with a different DVR

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mcl0vin:

afet i spent my money on the card and memory and hdd

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sphery:

mcl0vin: that's what happens when you choose to use a luxury DVR (MythTV) instead of going with a commercial-off-the-shelf DVR--it costs more money

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highzeth:

lucas_: if it has dependencies to other modules, it 'depends' on it, ie, they are loaded and you cant remove it till they are

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sphery:

and if you end up not using it, you buy both

[15:43:32]

mcl0vin:

sphery: i was very happy when i got it to work, then start getting all this issues

[15:43:53]

sphery:

yep, me too

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mcl0vin:

sphery: i love to build it all my self guy

[15:43:58]

sphery:

then I started writing patches to fix those issues

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mcl0vin:

sphery: hehehe see am not that good in linux like you

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sphery:

practice makes perfect :)

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lucas_:

highzeth: cx18_alsa requires snd-pcm, snd and cx18 to run, and they're loaded, and they can't be removed. nothing requires cx18_alsa, and therefore it should be removable, but it isn't because it's in use by some process

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, that would explain my problems, since i dont have VideoStartupDir set, that table is empty, so there is simply nothing to serve

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mcl0vin:

sphery: Ok, and if i got stuck i will just walk away and come back later

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highzeth:

lucas_: there is a chain of dependencies, follow the cookie crumbles.

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lucas_:

yeah, and cx18_alsa is at the top

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skd5aner:

sphery: you upgrade yet?

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sphery:

skd5aner: season's not over, yet :)

[15:50:51]

sphery:

Probably 2nd week of June (which works with the TV and my schedule)

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skd5aner:

you're still on .21-fixes right?

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sphery:

I'm on the last -fixes version that was available between seasons. :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ive got a UI question

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wagnerrp:

im working on this recommendation plugin

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wagnerrp:

and i want to have three list, one for existing recordings to use for the lookup (so the user can set certain ones to ignore)

[16:00:18]

wagnerrp:

one for responses (so the user can push certain recommendations into a proper recording rule, or into a blacklist that will never be automatically recorded)

[16:00:23]

wagnerrp:

and then the blacklist itself

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wagnerrp:

would i have to specifically define what lists go on what pages?

[16:01:06]

wagnerrp:

or could i just define the lists, and let the themer decide how to break them up?

[16:01:46]

wagnerrp:

i.e. one per page for a SD theme; recommendations and blacklist (or maybe all three) on one page for a HD widescreen theme

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: You do have to define which lists go in which MythUI windows

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iamlindoro:

Their locations and layout are decided by themers

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iamlindoro:

but which widgets on which windows are required/non are up to you

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'd need to understand how you intend everything to work better, but I think you can probably unify two of those lists by using a statetype

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iamlindoro:

ie have a list of responses and set the state on the blacklisted stuff to "yes" so that the themer can visually represent that that item is blacklisted

[16:10:32]

iamlindoro:

But I think I would need to have a better understanding of the workflow to be sure

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think about that, i could merge the recommendations with the black list, and just have two

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that was my thinking

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wagnerrp:

i have no real workflow at the moment, as i dont know what all is possible with the UI

[16:11:38]

wagnerrp:

basically, just have an 'in' and an 'out' list

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lucas_:

well, solution is to remove and reinstall the module

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lucas_:

and I can't remove it, even forcibly – I get a generic errno message of 'resource temporarily unavailable'

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wagnerrp:

existing rules and recordings pulled in from the system, that can be disabled by the user so theyre not used to request recommendations

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I think two lists probably sounds right

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wagnerrp:

and recommendations that are either (a) above the cutpoint and with an auto-record rule, (b) below the cutoff and not automatically recorded, or (c) blacklisted by the user to never record

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Rather than thinking above and below, it sounds like a single statetype with multiple states is probably the ticket

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mcl0vin:

can someone please take a look @http://pastebin.com/QVuCvTGJ and tell me if this is correct for WinTV-HVR-1600

[16:14:34]

iamlindoro:

statetype recstatus with states blacklisted, dorecord, dontrecord or something like that

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wagnerrp:

right, thats how its set up in the database

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iamlindoro:

yeah, so the statetype would be the visual representation of that the themer would have to work with, within a single buttonlist

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iamlindoro:

So you'd have the "recording rules" buttonlist and the "results" buttonlist or whatever, with the statetypes applied to the results list

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lucas_:

found it. pulseaudio was using cx18_alsa

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wagnerrp:

lucas_: ideally, you uninstall pulse before using myth

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iamlindoro:

and in fact, pluseaudio being installed and running may have everything to do with your audio issue

[16:45:25]

lucas_:

well that would have been great to know ten hours ago

[16:46:06]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, we all thought it would be pretty funny to keep that info from you

[16:46:15]

iamlindoro:

It's really been a good joke

[16:46:33]

iamlindoro:

We've been private messaging about it for hours, generally just having fun at your expense

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lucas_:

the dude who maintains the documentation must be in on it

[16:47:06]

iamlindoro:

Oh wait, you never mentioned running pulseaudio and my mom wasn't exposed to radiation during the pregnancy so no psychic powers

[16:47:46]

lucas_:

compiz and pulseaudio are pretty standard I'd say on many distributions, would it kill them to add a little appendix saying MythTV doesn't work with em?

[16:48:24]

iamlindoro:

You mean besides the countless references to exactly those facts on the wiki and mailing list?

[16:48:39]

lucas_:

mailing list posts now count as documentation?

[16:48:40]

iamlindoro:

Maybe we should come to your house and gentlye massage your shoulders while you set it up?

[16:48:44]

iamlindoro:

yes, they do

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lucas_:

I mean, if something is installed out of the box in basically every distribution but Debian

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lucas_:

you'd think there'd be some sort of caveat in the docs if there's an incompatibility

[16:50:05]

iamlindoro:

lucas_: The common thread with you appears to be that every problem you have is someone else's fault

[16:50:35]

iamlindoro:

So sorry we've disappointed you, I'm sure we'd be happy to arrange for a refund of your purchase price

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lucas_:

refund, yeah,

[16:50:44]

lucas_:

patches welcome

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lucas_:

works for me!

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iamlindoro:

yep, that too

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lucas_:

any other catchphrases you want to prattle off before YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

[16:51:20]

iamlindoro:

No, just this unique one-- We don't care if you use MythTV

[16:51:34]

iamlindoro:

and we definitely don't care to have an army of self-entitled users

[16:51:36]

lucas_:

but your fanboys do, iamlin

[16:51:40]

lucas_:

but your fanboys do

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iamlindoro:

we are way, way happier without them

[16:51:40]

dustybin:

lucas_: think before you ask questions

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iamlindoro:

lucas_: But we MythTV devs *don't*. We want users who see weaknesses and do something about them, not immediately attempt to assess blame and generally just make life miserably

[16:52:40]

iamlindoro:

s/miserably/miserable/

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lucas_:

are you saying you want me to modify the docs?

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iamlindoro:

If you don't like it, by all means, please don't use it

[16:53:20]

iamlindoro:

If you'd like to submit a patch for the documentation, sure

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wagnerrp:

lucas_: the only reason the mythtv developers (or any open source project for that matter) want users is to bring in new developers and contributors

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lucas_:

I wonder if somewhere there's a project where people actually believe that

[16:54:01]

iamlindoro:

the source of the docs is included in the myth source, and you can open a ticket with any changes

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iamlindoro:

please feel free to ask any questions if you need help with that part

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AndyCap:

I see tweek is busy spreading his happy message here too.

[16:56:15]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: Same type of thing elsewhere?

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lucas_:

who let you out of #fedora

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: I guess that's the answer. :)

[16:56:52]

iamlindoro:

lucas_: indeed

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iamlindoro:

er AndyCap ^

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kisak:

hi, has the issue with mythtranscode that causes it to spam the log with "Failed to decode frame. Position was: 0 / Couldn't open file abort.dat" been fixed? (problem seen in 0.22)

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kisak:

there's mailing list mentions to this problem, but no responses

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iamlindoro:

kisak: That's an issue with recordings which are, as far as I can tell, corrupt at the very beginning-- it may be possible to work around it by removing the first few meg of the recording

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iamlindoro:

ie, dd it with a few meg of byte offset, then copy it over the original file, then rebuild the seektable, then redo the cutlist

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pak0:

anyone got one hvr 3000?

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kisak:

iamlindoro: I'm not looking for a workaround, I was wondering if it was being/already had been looked into being fixed

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iamlindoro:

kisak: The only "fix" would be having mythtranscode fail outright

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iamlindoro:

and no, it hasn't been addressed

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iamlindoro:

so even if it receives attention, you'll still need to remove the corruption

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kisak:

iamlindoro: well, because I use mythtranscode in a script, I'm not arround to catch it when it throws a fit, so I'm left with a 31GB and a 26GB log file to surprise me

[17:12:00]

iamlindoro:

Well now you know, nothing has changed in trunk ;)

[17:12:52]

kisak:

thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

np

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highzeth:

might I suggest logrotate with compress turned on?

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ThisOtherGuy:

I think there's a bug in programinfo.cpp line 1246

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ThisOtherGuy:

subtitletype is used twice – I think the second one should be audioproperties

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kisak:

highzeth: logrotate is in use, but it swaps logs weekly and compresses after 8 weeks

[17:14:55]

iamlindoro:

ThisOtherGuy: In what version of Myth? Programinfo was completely rewritten in trunk

[17:15:01]

ThisOtherGuy:

latest trunk

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iamlindoro:

ok, you should let daniel know

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ThisOtherGuy:

just svn up'd a few minutes ago

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ThisOtherGuy:

k – was hoping to confirm – I'll post in the dev room

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highzeth:

kisak: guess you have room to spare then ;)

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justinh:

okays. got my frontend up. tv out works but it's flickering like mad even when nothing is happening. like random page flipping kind of flickering.

[17:26:20]

justinh:

not all the time, just occasionally

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justinh:

arghhh. stupid crap driver again

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justinh:

:-(

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justinh:

xrandr setting tvout parameters is busted

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justinh:

hmmm one solution says to disable kernel mode setting. how would I do that perchance?

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AndyCap:

justinh: boot with nomodesetting?

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justinh:

er...

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AndyCap:

justinh: hmm, not quite https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting

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AndyCap:

or did you dump ubuntu?

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justinh:

heh no still on ubuntu

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AndyCap:

it was nomodeset that was the kernel boot option

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justinh:

ah. rebootifying

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justinh:

yay cheers AndyCap :-)

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AndyCap:

hmm, soon F13 will roll around and I guess an upgrade to 0.23 will be in order too.

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lucas_:

what, hasn't been released yet?

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exelnet:

heya. im having trouble with mythweb: http://pastebin.com/A0neqr35

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exelnet:

any idea?

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justinh:

time for doggy training anyway. intel tvout can be a PITA later

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lucas_:

whaddayaknow. remove pulseaudio, disable compiz, mythtv works perfectly.

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sphery:

exelnet: that's an irelevant message, likely saying that MythWeb was unable to change the response to include the proper error message

[18:10:48]

sphery:

i.e. something in your MythWeb configuration is broken

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sphery:

such as DB information/DB access (grants/permissions)/...

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exelnet:

sphery: ah ok... that helps

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sphery:

exelnet: see, also, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8158

[18:12:57]

sphery:

which describes all different behaviors you'll get with broekn DB stuff

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sphery:

I think yours is the "If, on the other hand, ..." case

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ThisOtherGuy:

I love the fix that moved fan art out of the UI thread!

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wagnerrp:

wasnt that done before 0.22?

[18:15:37]

ThisOtherGuy:

the frontend is much more snappy

[18:15:46]

ThisOtherGuy:

nope the recent one in trunk

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ThisOtherGuy:

24721

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exelnet:

sphery: hmm the database and the connection is fine... tried it from the console

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jst:

Anyone know if analog support for the cx23885 (Hauppauge 1800) is done yet? I asked in #v4l, but no one responded.

[18:30:24]

iamlindoro:

Analog in the 1800 works, but the driver still carries bugs which render it unusable with myth

[18:30:48]

iamlindoro:

As before, digital will work fine, though

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wagnerrp:

jst: its been at that same state for about the past year

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jst:

How sad.

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johnnyj:

iamlindoro – you said analog and left out 'hole'

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johnnyj:

9-)

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iamlindoro:

cruising for a kicking

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wagnerrp:

nah, hes just smiling like a deformed mutant

[18:32:17]

iamlindoro:

Look out, it's coming right for us

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** jst ducks **

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sphery:

0-)

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johnnyj:

it's supposed to be Lela

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johnnyj:

from Futurama

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sphery:

Or it could be Mike Wazowski

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sphery:

or B.O.B.

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iamlindoro:

Or it could be after I put a big hole in your noggin

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** dustybin buys iamlindoro a joggler **

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iamlindoro:

your peace offering is acceptable

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joggling

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johnnyj:

i saw that too

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iamlindoro:

That dude is yoked

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sphery:

It seems to be a real thing: http://justyouraveragejoggler.com/

[18:36:17]

sphery:

finally, someone figured out what to do with your hands while jogging

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johnnyj:

fiddle with my iPod

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nevermore:

hey, is there any possibility to make my pc automatically boot on scheduled recordings?

[18:54:17]

nevermore:

hmmm, noone knows?

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lucas_:

use your BIOS

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wagnerrp:

nevermore: see articles on the wiki about 'ACPI boot' or 'real time clock (RTC)'

[18:55:22]

nevermore:

thanks a lot, acpi was the missing keyword ;)

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iamlindoro:

natanojl: Re: the MNV script guy on the users list, the player and downloader stuff is currently parsed and then mostly ignored. If someone is actually developing a script to use it, I can probably whip at the the player part of it up in a day or two

[18:58:43]

iamlindoro:

downloader stuff will be more complicated

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natanojl:

iamlindoro: hm, I believe I have tried myself and got it to work

[18:59:24]

iamlindoro:

Additionally, the player stuff is untested so if he can get me a copy of the script that returns the player and playerargs values, I can test it while fleshing out the functionality

[18:59:27]

iamlindoro:

Cool

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iamlindoro:

I knew I had worked on it, but hadn't written a script to test it worked

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iamlindoro:

(And had forgotten how far I had gotten on it, heh)

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natanojl:

:)

[19:00:14]

** iamlindoro sometimes needs to check his own docs for things he writes **

[19:01:37]

iamlindoro:

If it does work, it most definitely needs some work, though-- should probably use myth_system instead of running my own QProcess stuff for it

[19:03:29]

iamlindoro:

Ah, yeah, I see some stuff I need to get changed-- but it will sort-of work for .23 anyway

[19:04:34]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, since someone is actually using it, I'll make polishing it up in trunk a priority this week sometime

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natanojl:

I'll keep an eye on the commits

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iamlindoro:

natanojl: The obvious boo-boo I made is putting the player handling stuff in doDownloadAndPlay, it needs to be in showWebVideo so that one can just select an item

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iamlindoro:

I sort of tossed that stuff togheter with no way to test it so it hasn't had the same level of reading and rereading

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natanojl:

Yeah, seems reasonable since you don't actually download the file in that case

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I'll tweak it sometime this week and hopefully try to test it with his script (if it'll let me play it from here)

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iamlindoro:

I guess I need to be more explicit in the pubDate docs that it's an RFC-822 date and time, since he seemed to think that it needed to be GMT

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natanojl:

There was a "Full episodes" tab in their flash player half an hour ago but it has disappeared now. Deleting their cookies made it come back :)

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mcl0vin:

everytime after reboot, i get the main menu and then a box appears to tell me "Could not connect to the BE server is it running ?"

[19:22:55]

mcl0vin:

and when i hit ok , then it ask me for a key ring password !

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iamlindoro:

mcl0vin: You should take that up with your packager/distro-- they're starting services all out of order so the backend can't start up properly

[19:24:22]

lapion:

mplayer

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iamlindoro:

sounds like ubuntu + upstart

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justinh:

hmmm. back to the fun of intel tvout & tearing curing

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natanojl:

iamlindoro: Re: your discussion with jafa, do ticket owners not get notified about new attachments?

[19:28:44]

iamlindoro:

natanojl: only via -commits

[19:28:46]

iamlindoro:

erm, sorry

[19:28:49]

iamlindoro:

not for attachments

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iamlindoro:

for everything else

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iamlindoro:

no notification of any kind for attachments

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justinh:

ah. xrandr is saying that the refresh rate of the non-tv out is 60 Hz

[19:30:37]

natanojl:

ah, I attached a patch for #8063 a couple of days ago, perhaps I should have added a comment as well

[19:32:02]

iamlindoro:

yeah, it's usually necessary for someone to know it got there

[19:32:42]

iamlindoro:

(and a trunk ticket might get faster response)

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iamlindoro:

trunk patch, that is

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iamlindoro:

probably not much different, if at all

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justinh:

maybe xrandr --output TMDS-1 --off may help. I need to test it

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justinh:

yeah and it did. w00t

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justinh:

using opengl vsync made it utterly nasty though, so keep that turned off methinks

[19:45:14]

justinh:

ruh-roh. Unknown column 'bookmarkupdate' in 'field list' ?!

[19:45:16]

** justinh googles **

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gbee:

so, repeating my earlier question since no-one was around, is there any particular BD drive I should buy or avoid? cc: GreyFoxx

[19:47:00]

justinh:

oh hell no. I can't possibly have different mythtv versions on my boxes.. not I

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I have a LG GGC-H20L

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justinh:

nope. hmmm. interesting

[19:48:10]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I am not 100% sure it is still made, but it has these advantages: Plays HD-DVD (all rippable in linux and CHEAP) as well as Blu-ray, has hacked firmware

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gbee:

iamlindoro: looks like one or two around on ebay, or a couple of dodgy looking stores

[19:51:04]

iamlindoro:

I suspect for blu-ray only just about anything is fine

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gbee:

guess I need to know whether features like hackable firmware are going to be needed to rip or playback discs with linux

[19:51:30]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ok, that's great

[19:51:52]

gbee:

looking at an OEM Liteon, because it's cheap ;)

[19:52:20]

iamlindoro:

gbee: The hacked firmware was helpful because it allowed one to read the Volume IDs (which can be used to extract keys for AACS) in the clear

[19:52:41]

justinh:

hrm. seems somehow I've got no column called bookmarkupdate in recorded

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iamlindoro:

the alternative to a hackable firmware is simply regularly updating libaacs (once it is more readily available)

[19:53:18]

justinh:

I guess it's possible there's a bug where a schema update from 0.21 misses it

[19:53:30]

justinh:

so, what should I do now?

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gbee:

`bookmarkupdate` timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00–00 00:00:00'

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justinh:

or I might have screwed up somehow when I imported the old recorded table – but I didn't let the db upgrade happen til I'd done that

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gbee:

justinh: doesn't really seem possible that such a bug exists, but if it does sphery might like to know about it

[19:55:02]

iamlindoro:

Think justinh used a bit of a non-standard DB migration tactic :)

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gbee:

justinh: of course you can revert to the pre-upgrade backup and let the schema upgrade run again

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justinh:

yeah I figured. I tried to do this the right way. imported the old 0.21 database before going near mythtv-setup, then imported the recovered 'recorded' table (also from 0.21) – and then I ran mythtv-setup

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gbee:

which might be wise since you don't know whether other bits of the upgrade were botched

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justinh:

I'd rather do it on a spare machine now. been a couple of nights work sorting this lot out

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Do you want http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8455 to remain infoneeded? Wasn't sure whether you were meaning to go to fixed.

[19:58:27]

justinh:

gbee: any particular order the column has to be in?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I do, since there may be other problems

[19:59:09]

iamlindoro:

ok

[20:00:20]

gbee:

iamlindoro: put it this way, there have been 2/3 commits and each one broke playback of something for someone, so give the ticket a week, if there are no more reports then it can be closed

[20:00:38]

iamlindoro:

no worries, just wasn't sure

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gbee:

justinh: I don't know of any MythTV code which requires specific column order, if it exists then I consider that it needs fixing immediately

[20:02:50]

justinh:

wonder if there's a quick way to output all columns from all the tables

[20:02:58]

justinh:

just the names I mean

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AndyCap:

justinh: mysqldump -d ?

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justinh:

ah. ue information_schema – select column_name from columns;

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justinh:

*use

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justinh:

better grab the backed up db from pre-upgrade :)

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wagnerrp:

crap... ive been sending out html emails to the list

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justinh:

ah nuts. is only one gz ever kept in the default SG?

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justinh:

I've got mythconverg-1254–20100518214014.sql.gz

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iamlindoro:

No, it'll keep as many as you like

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iamlindoro:

We don't delete any old ones

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iamlindoro:

At least, not that I'm aware

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justinh:

so there must just be that one then – the main one. I was sure I recall it needing another after I installed the plugins

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justinh:

I'll put 0.23 on the old machine & try the upgrade. see what happens :)

[20:27:58]

justinh:

well, old machine which I'll put a new install on

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justinh:

bet not many folks will still be on 0.21 anyway

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lucas_:

and now everything's working kind-of with compiz and pulseaudio back in. this isn't so bad when it's all working as intended

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justinh:

and that's nfs sorted out. next up.. samba. shudder

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lucas_:

I still don't get why the latest evolution in the latest gnome depends on samba4, which precludes samba3 and doesn't work

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gbee:

iamlindoro: thinking about this one, having compared what's available in the price bracket – http://www.dabs.com/products/best-value-lg-8x . . . ta-6NZF.html

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jams:

look at that you even get lightscribe technology!

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I suspect one will be as good as the next, but for reference: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=139522

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jams:

I don't know anybody who really uses lightscribe. Sure it's cool at first but takes way to long as well the media is $$

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wagnerrp:

at least one of my burners does lightscribe, no intention of ever using it

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jams:

takes longer to burn the lightscribe "label" then it does to burn the disk.

[20:43:26]

jams:

must be cheap to implement though. Just about all burners seem to have it these days

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gbee:

jams: don't think I'll ever have a use for it, but compared to the next down in price which is a read-only Liteon ... well no contest, sure a combo device might have a shorter lifespan but by the time it dies the price will have dropped again to £25 and I won't have to keep two drives installed – one for Bluray, the other for burning CD/DVDs

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quicksilver:

Wow after 4 years of using mythtv I only just discovered you can use '/' to mark multiple recordings at once and delete them all at once.

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gbee:

I think my mind is made up, just wanted some reassurance that it wasn't just throwing money down the drain

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jams:

gbee- I would get it. All the specs looked good and so did the price.

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jams:

Guess the only thing that I would be concerend about is drive noise

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gbee:

don't think I'll be re-buying all my DVDs as Bluray though ;)

[20:50:55]

gbee:

jams: well this is for my desktop/dev frontend, drive noise is less of a concern there, when it comes to buying for my production frontend(s) then I'll factor in noise

[20:51:33]

jams:

makes sense. Guess it's time to whip out that credit card!

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gbee:

I've no immediate plans to put Bluray drives in a production box until there is support in MythTV for playing them straight from the disk

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gbee:

I want one in the dev box so that I can play with the code that iamlindoro is committing

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iamlindoro:

gbee: For what it's worth the drive won't do a whole heck of a lot for you yet

[20:53:35]

gbee:

and maybe start buying/ripping Bluray instead of wasting money on a dead format in the form of DVDs

[20:54:08]

iamlindoro:

You can play BDMV burned to DVD media, or you can rip the disks and play them in MythVideo, too

[20:54:46]

gbee:

you can fit a Bluray title onto a DVD?

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iamlindoro:

You can smash it down into that space, or produce your own from your own material

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iamlindoro:

gbee: FWIW you can even test it now without any hardware: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=328

[20:56:57]

iamlindoro:

That post contains a link to a BDMV with Elephant's dream, BBB, etc.

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gbee:

iamlindoro: oh I do realise that ;)

[20:57:30]

iamlindoro:

Note that until I get the library resynced again, you just get what it considers the "main" title, which is generally just the longest

[20:57:49]

iamlindoro:

once I do the next resync in a week or two, I should be able to add code to move between the titles on the disk since we don't have menus yet

[20:59:43]

iamlindoro:

Probably going to wait for the osd merge since anything I did right now would be thrown out

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lucas_:

declaring DVDs a dead format already?

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markl:

quicksilver: ah nice

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markl:

i'll bet there is a place on the wiki with all those things documented, hmm

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quicksilver:

markl: I'm afraid I found it with the magic google

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quicksilver:

markl: but there is a keybindings page on the official website which is handy

[21:17:32]

markl:

yeah i should memorize that "some day"

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gbee:

lucas_: matter of opinion, but I don't want to be investing too much money in them from this point, I've been a late adopter in every format shift and I'm tired of throwing out stuff that I didn't buy that long ago just because I can't play it anymore or the quality is so obviously inferior to what's now available – all those tapes that could no longer be played in the car, or those VHS boxsets that took up huge amounts of space,

[21:18:51]

gbee:

had crappy picture quality and required a bulky player under the TV

[21:19:17]

iamlindoro:

natanojl: There, external players should behave a little more nicely (and more analogous to the way mythvideo works) now

[21:19:47]

gbee:

I might not be early to the Bluray party, but I'm determined not to be the last this time

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iamlindoro:

natanojl: new implementation untested but ought to be fine

[21:20:12]

lucas_:

guess I've never thought of DVDs as low-res, they certainly don't degrade like VHS

[21:21:03]

lucas_:

maybe my vision is just too awful to tell the difference between Blu-ray at 1080p on a 52" DLP HDTV and ... a cable feed from an analog tuner on a 19" LCD screen

[21:21:40]

gbee:

nothing particularly wrong with DVD, but for certain stuff there's no denying that HD is far superior

[21:21:43]

lucas_:

seriously hope Blu-ray gets Linux support soon anyway

[21:22:42]

gbee:

lucas_: well the difference in screen size makes a huge difference, SD TV looks pretty good on my 19" LCD but hideous on my 38" HDTV

[21:23:21]

lucas_:

I'm the sort of guy that plays 16-bit SNES games on a 48" rear projection big-screen TV

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gbee:

and though I didn't mind too much in the days before HD, having seen the difference it's hard to forget

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natanojl:

iamlindoro: Heh, you are quick :) I will take a look tomorrow, it's time to sleep here

[21:24:21]

iamlindoro:

natanojl: Depending on how well his script works, I may be able to test tonight

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drindt:

how can i achieve, that after setting up a cutlist to just remove these frames in the already recorded mpg file? i dont want a reencode or shrinkdown. the reason i ask is that i proceed as its described in the docs but all what i get after hours of transcoding is an error, that he cant find the nuv file. but such file has never existed before...

[21:26:00]

iamlindoro:

You tick the "lossless" box on one of the existing transcoder profiles, then use that profile to do the transcode

[21:26:08]

iamlindoro:

this assumes that your source material is MPEG-2

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gbee:

lucas_: yeah, I can't do that, I've seriously regretted going back to the old games I used to love because my memory of them is ruined, I remember them having state of the art graphics not hideously low res, blocky messes and don't get me started on what passed for gameplay ;)

[21:26:20]

iamlindoro:

If it's H.264, then the answer is, "You don't."

[21:27:01]

gbee:

yet

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lucas_:

the games look differently on their native TV screens than in emulators. the pixelated text wasn't meant to be seen. that's what hq4x is for

[21:27:33]

iamlindoro:

heh, well if we're saying "yet," then the answer is "You don't... until you write the patch to add it because nobody else has/is.."

[21:28:01]

lucas_:

of course there's also the problem of the games looking and feeling dated

[21:28:19]

dustybin:

£50 for this: http://twitpic.com/1fur8f

[21:29:14]

dustybin:

imagine that next to your bed acting as a mythtv alarm clock :D

[21:29:54]

gbee:

lucas_: back in the NES days games were much simpler affairs, with a couple of minor exceptions I've not found replaying those after 20 years to be enjoyable, I expect a much more sophisticated experience now

[21:30:51]

xand:

dustybin: you can replace the OS? hmm

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** justinh got ubuntu running on his today :D **

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dustybin:

xand: install what you like on it

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xand:

nice, didn't realise they were that sophisticated

[21:31:30]

dustybin:

slackware is going on mine

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lucas_:

these days, studios seem to waste millions of dollars developing highly complex games for extremely specialized hardware

[21:31:45]

lucas_:

and they all end up looking like the same four shades of grey and brown

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drindt:

iamlindoro: but when iam in the menu for transcoding i dont see the transcoder profiles there i see only hi low med quality but which one is it? the option you suggested is set already

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gbee:

and I don't even have to go back that far, games from just 10 years ago bring the same disappointment, that even despite the fact that I've not really played any new games in the last 5/6? years – I started to resent how much of my time they stole

[21:32:10]

dustybin:

xand: http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Hardware

[21:32:39]

dustybin:

IRC steals more of my time than games did

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lucas_:

IRC is a gigantic timesink

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iamlindoro:

drindt: That was a long incredibly difficult to understand run on sentence. You need to be more clear

[21:33:21]

drindt:

iamlindoro: sorry my english is very bad

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iamlindoro:

drindt: You need to edit recording profiles, which contain a menu item called "transcoders." You need to edit the one you wish to use as the lossless transcoders and tick the "lossless" box on the first screen

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iamlindoro:

then you need to select that profile when you attempt to transcode something

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iamlindoro:

For this to work, your source material *must* be MPEG-2 video codec

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iamlindoro:

If you do not receive MPEG-2 video, then lossless transcode will not work, and your only option is lossy (long, quality loss) transcode.

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drindt:

iamlindoro: yes and this is to be set in just one profile?

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drindt:

iamlindoro: in mythtvsetup?

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iamlindoro:

You can set it in as many as you like, but that would make them all identical

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iamlindoro:

no, in the frontnd

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natanojl:

iamlindoro: Sounds great. Bye for now

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justinh:

blimey. this is way faster than 0.21 was

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drindt:

iamlindoro: oh that i havent recognized, so i choose now automatic the transcoder is running iam excited

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justinh:

wide themes still don't scale well to 4:3 resolutions though. stupid open source video drivers not having wide modes

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drindt:

iamlindoro: is that right?

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justinh:

well I say wide themes. arclight doesn't have any truncated text as far as I can tell

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iamlindoro:

drindt: I'm very sorry, I am having a very hard time understanding what you are asking me

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justinh:

and lo, I *can* actually read the text. JUST, mind

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drindt:

i have modified the high quality and just enable the lossless option, and go afterwards in the transcoder menu and choose automatic

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justinh:

iamlindoro: how the heck did you do that? no truncated text at 4:3 and it's readable on an SDTV. not *as* readable as others but still.. more than I thought it would be :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Heh, on 4:3 it's just luck since I don't have anything to test that on

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drindt:

the frame rate is higher than before i guess he is copying the frames

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** bjd blinks **

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justinh:

hmm. need to change deinterlacer man. whatever it uses now isn't good on rolling titles

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justinh:

and erm... the quality of video output on the intel tv encoder is :-O compared to how it used to be

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hobiga:

Anyone know if you can have an specify mythtv to startup after remote nfs filesystems have been mounted using it's upstart script?

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iamlindoro:

hobiga: The only people who are likely to know that will be in #ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro:

Just as Ubuntu finally starts to get init right, they switch to upstart and it's all a train wreck again

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hobiga:

iamlindoro: ok thx. I'll ask over there. I thought fedora was going that route as well.

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iamlindoro:

I think they are

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hobiga:

maybe they saw that train wreck and thought better...

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justinh:

iamlindoro: font sizes could use a little boost, but hey, it's gonna be the theme I choose I think

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justinh:

that word I hardly ever use... you ready? awesome

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Heh, well it works well on my screen sizes, which are admittedly large

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iamlindoro:

ha, I'll cherish it always, I *do* know how rare it is

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justinh:

my VGA adapter must be screwed tho. damn background is all blocky

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iamlindoro:

Aaaaand normal justin is back

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exelnet:

I am here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8158 The third case. Any idea how to fix this? Or to get more debug...?

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iamlindoro:

exelnet: That ug is a usability issue, not something which directly affects users-- all that tells us is that you have not properly configured Myth or mythweb

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iamlindoro:

er bug

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iamlindoro:

Either you are missing myth's database entirely, or you have failed to read the README/INSTALL files in the mythweb directory and follow them correctly

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lapion:

anypone here ahve a duo tuner card, that is a pcmcia card with dvb as well as analog tuner ?

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iamlindoro:

No such creature

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iamlindoro:

Well... there are a few-- but you'll need to be specific about which DVB

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iamlindoro:

and whether you mean cardbus or real old-school PCMCIA

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lapion:

well I can use both inputs at the same time with only minor glitches, however when I use mythtv I get ghosting color bleeding and other such things..

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lapion:

cardbus

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iamlindoro:

heh, so what did the original question have to do with the second question?

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lapion:

the card allows to use both dvb as well as analog at the same time..

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iamlindoro:

So do many, many cards of all interface

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iamlindoro:

Myth just access the v4l API, it doesn't do any magic that any other app doesn't

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iamlindoro:

It's possible you chose an incorrect frequency table, or that you need to change your playback profile, or that you need to increase the bitrate or resolution of your capture

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iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org

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iamlindoro:

look up playback profiles, read in the manual how to change recording profiles

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lapion:

only with the analog |i get the problems

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lapion:

well I live in the netherlands so the western-europe profile should work..

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exelnet:

iamlindoro: well its not my first install... something seems to be broken and i try to find out what... seems like its not the database since i can connect to the database using the same data,mythweb uses

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justinh:

heh. adjusted the gui to my tv.. precisely. the old way cos the wizard is broken just a tad

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justinh:

and I didn't need to. intel tvout now works without having to change mode every time you change an adjustment

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justinh:

yay wicked. all worky. not perfick but I can tweak later

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justinh:

and with that, I shall go to bed. fastest get me working evah. no thanks to that other *buntu variant I had no patience for

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Wicked:

in the channel editor...how does mythtv associate a channel with guide info? by channel number, callsign, or name? ive got the hdhr with some channels but the guide info does not seem to want to work

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iamlindoro:

xmltvid

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quinten:

hi! just upgraded to mythtv .23, using mythbuntu and subscribed to the .23-fixes repo

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quinten:

i'm trying out mythnetvision, but i don't see the hulu.py plugin mentioned on the wiki

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quinten:

am i missing something?

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RDV_Linux:

quinten: If you look at the table of grabbers on the wiki page you will see that the Hulu grabber is trunk only as it was released after 0.23

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quinten:

ah, ok

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quinten:

yep, i see the column heading now, just didn't catch it

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quinten:

any advantages/major gotchas to upgrading to trunk right now?

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quinten:

or is it possible to just download the grabbers somewhere, or did the format change?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's extremely unstable owing to a rewrite of one of the base classes upon which all recording and playback is build

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iamlindoro:

abuilt

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iamlindoro:

and no, a trunk grabber will not work with .23

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quinten:

okay, i'll just stick with my menu shortcut to open firefox then :)

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iamlindoro:

quinten, For what it is worth, we will have .24 out in the October-ish timeframe and that will include all the new grabbers, of which many more are coming

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sokol99:

Hi, was just wondering whether anyone can help me figure out what the CPU requirements would be to use MythTV on a backend to record HD Homerun output… On a GNU/Linux Ubuntu Server...

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sphery:

sokol99: recording from an HD Homerun doesn't take much in th way of resuorces since the video is already compressed so it just dumps the stream to disk

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sphery:

sokol99: however, things like commercial flagging and transcoding can take a lot of CPU

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sphery:

sokol99: and the scheduler and--especially if you put MySQL on the same host as the master backend--the MySQL database server can take some CPU, too

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sphery:

sokol99: so, basically, as long as you get a CPU and not a toy (Atom), you should be fine

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sphery:

any relatively modern CPU is fine for a MythTV backend

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iamlindoro:

Where CPU != Atom ;)

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sphery:

(anything in the AMD Athlon 64 and above or Intel Core and better line)

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sphery:

right, Atom = toy :)

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sokol99:

Ok, great, thanks. I've been wondering what it would take.

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sphery:

frontends take more power, though, since they have to decode and display the recordings

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sphery:

and, regardless of the screen resolution, you'll still be required to decode whatever resolution video you're given in real time

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sphery:

so, chances are, you'll need to decode HDTV resolution video in real time

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sokol99:

I'm hoping to hardwire my computers at home at some point b/c I understand you'd need 802.11N for watching.

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beata-:

is there a way in mythvideo to set a series id per directory instead of selecting it on per file bassis?

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sphery:

you can choose to supplement the CPU power using an nvidia GPU with VDPAU support

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iamlindoro:

beata-, no

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iamlindoro:

Though if your files are properly named, you shouldn't ever need to set it manually at all

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sphery:

sokol99: actually, I would never do MythTV with any wireless--N or whatever. You want wired ethernet for reliability.

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sphery:

so wiring is a good plan

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beata-:

some arent and its a pain to rename wonder how hard it would be to code something like that up

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sphery:

something to rename?

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sokol99:

Yes. I have a neighbor who seems to manage with N and HD Homerun but I think he's using Elgato on his Mac.

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sokol99:

sphery: Thanks again for you help. Just what I needed to know. :)

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sphery:

beata-: since you have all the info in the DB, you can do: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT filename, title FROM videometadata ORDER BY filename;" > files.txt

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sphery:

beata-: then just use any text editor (or spreadsheet) to turn it into the commands you want to use to rename

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sphery:

and then edit the destination names as desired.

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piper69:

:) atleast i did something right , now i can watch HD tv

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piper69:

but for the love of GOD i can get audio out of my yamaha receiver

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beata-:

sphery nice idea

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beata-:

Is there a debug flag that will display what the file parser gets for each file?

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wagnerrp:

sokol99: the HDHR only has enough internal memory for maybe a second of buffer

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wagnerrp:

so if your neighbor drops network for any reason

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wagnerrp:

which /will/ happen if you have wireless

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wagnerrp:

you will lose data

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wagnerrp:

sokol99: the same problem exists during playback with mythtv

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