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Tuesday, May 18th, 2010, 00:00 UTC
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[01:21:52] mzb: I occasionally have a weird issue with using a mythtv FE on my workstation ... the colour is all wrong
[01:22:20] mzb: seems to happen after I've been using some other (graphic/video-related) application
[01:22:33] mzb: and I can only fix it by restarting X/machine
[01:22:39] mzb: is there a better way?
[01:22:56] mzb: (restarting is a major task)
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[01:23:45] mzb: by wrong colours I mean green/purple instead of "normal"
[01:25:31] iamlindoro: Sounds like whatever other application you are using is leaving something in an unclean state
[01:25:45] iamlindoro: for reference, what is "some other" application specifically?
[01:26:57] OoObe: mzb, i dont have the exact same problem but to work around things like that i have 2 x session running
[01:27:17] OoObe: one for my desktop and the other for mythfrontend
[01:27:20] mzb: iamlindoro: not sure exactly
[01:27:43] mzb: this is a multiseat setup ... two 9800GT's with two screens
[01:28:25] mzb: when mythtv has finished (re)building I'll try swapping to a terminal and back
[01:28:48] mzb: heh ... that was quick ;)
[01:29:28] mzb: err.. gee, schema 1 behind ... only rebuilt the BE yesterday!
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[01:31:19] mzb: um, that can't be right!. BE SVN=20131, FE=24726
[01:31:26] mzb: must have something wrong somewhere
[01:32:19] mzb: ah, hang on ... it's not from the root dir ... long story
[01:37:15] mzb: k, complete rebuild on the MBE ... time to do some painting before #2 wakes up ;) bbl
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[01:37:26] mzb: (thanks for the X session suggestion OoObe )
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[01:37:52] OoObe: yea it works
[01:38:06] OoObe: for any kind of buggyness
[01:38:16] OoObe: but im used to it now aswell
[01:38:34] OoObe: its nice have mythfrontend on one screen and a freedesktop on the other
[01:45:20] ** sphery wonders if OoObe had too much caffeine today **
[01:45:31] sphery: (eyes wide open)
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[01:51:40] OoObe: lol not enough yet
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[02:12:55] iamlindoro: !seen RDV_Linux
[02:12:55] MythLogBot: RDV_Linux was last seen 2 hours 13 minutes 5 seconds ago
[02:13:43] jamesd_: !seen anything_good_on_tv
[02:13:43] MythLogBot: anything_good_on_tv has not been seen here
[02:27:02] OoObe: lol
[02:28:55] Beirdo: Yawn
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[02:30:35] OoObe: !seen jamesd_
[02:30:35] MythLogBot: jamesd_ is here and has been idle for 16 minutes 52 seconds
[02:30:46] OoObe: !seen oobe
[02:30:46] MythLogBot: oobe was last seen 8 hours 56 minutes 53 seconds ago
[02:31:06] OoObe is now known as oobe
[02:31:09] oobe: !seen oobe
[02:31:09] MythLogBot: oobe is here and has been idle for 3 seconds
[02:31:13] oobe: lol
[02:31:41] jamesd_: !seen a_hot_babe_that_likes_linux
[02:31:41] MythLogBot: a_hot_babe_that_likes_linux has not been seen here
[02:34:14] ** iamlindoro glares **
[02:35:39] jamesd_: see the truth hasn't even scared anyone away... most geeks know that the hot babes hang out in #openbsd.
[02:38:22] oobe: or under my desk
[02:38:59] jamesd_: oobe, wake up, wake up, your dreaming again.
[02:39:09] oobe: woops lol ur right
[02:41:12] jamesd_: all the babes go for theo's rugged good looks http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/18/ . . . 70x321,0.jpg
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[02:44:30] bcgrown: What library/package provides FLAC to MythTV? I seem to have removed it by accident. Now I get "Error: No encoder, failing" but I still have flac, libflac, and libflac++ installed (this is on xubuntu 10.04)
[02:44:34] oobe: yeap i saw a line once
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[03:01:28] Beirdo: OMG
[03:02:27] bcgrown: ?
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[03:03:15] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt use flac
[03:03:20] wagnerrp: now mythmusic....
[03:03:25] Beirdo: oh just the immaturity before you logged in, sorry, bcgrown
[03:03:31] bcgrown: s/mythtv/mythmusic
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[03:03:57] bcgrown: i get that error when i try to rip a cd
[03:04:08] bcgrown: i must've removed the wrong thing because i was just ripping cd's to FLAC an hour ago
[03:04:33] Beirdo: maybe you should reinstall whatever you uninstalled?
[03:04:46] bcgrown: too easy!
[03:04:50] bcgrown: :)
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[03:05:01] Beirdo: and don't fix what ain't broke... or something
[03:05:02] Beirdo: heh
[03:05:08] iamlindoro: http://www.hulu.com/watch/149877/nbc-fall-pre . . . r#s-p1-sr-i1
[03:05:10] bcgrown: well it was broke
[03:05:17] iamlindoro: For anyone interested in a 5 min preview of the next JJ abrams show
[03:05:28] wagnerrp: a comedy this time...
[03:05:43] wagnerrp: no, thinking of something different
[03:05:43] bcgrown: i installed mythtv on my xubuntu system and it screwed up my audio by adding pulse and the gnome volume thingy
[03:05:45] iamlindoro: Sort of kind of
[03:05:59] iamlindoro: There are comedic elements, but it's definitely alias-esque too
[03:06:07] wagnerrp: im thinking of the other cop show, ABC one on wednesday
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[03:06:08] iamlindoro: get through the first minute or two of the preview, it's worth it
[03:06:14] iamlindoro: it's on my list to watch for sure now
[03:06:39] bcgrown: iamlindoro: True Blue?
[03:06:46] iamlindoro: ?
[03:06:52] bcgrown: the ABC cop show?
[03:06:59] iamlindoro: I didn't mention an ABC show
[03:07:03] bcgrown: oh
[03:07:04] ** iamlindoro points at wagnerrp **
[03:07:05] bcgrown: woops
[03:07:15] bcgrown: wagner the ABC cop show= True Blue? :)
[03:07:18] wagnerrp: good guys or something
[03:07:22] iamlindoro: good guys is on fox
[03:07:27] bcgrown: agr cant type today
[03:07:28] iamlindoro: preview this week
[03:07:37] wagnerrp: oh? must have caught the ad while watching house
[03:07:41] ** bcgrown was watching them shoot the pilot for True Blue **
[03:07:46] wagnerrp: the channels, they are meaningless now
[03:09:54] ** bcgrown wonders if there was a cocaine shortage in 1977 leading up to the filming of The Who at Kilburn **
[03:10:22] mzb: fixed colour issue by using opengl renderer
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[03:13:00] Beirdo: iamlindoro: nice trailer... I might just try watching that one :)
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[03:13:21] iamlindoro: Beirdo, Yeah, I love JJ Abrams shows, used to love Alias, will likely at least enjoy this depending on who writes/directs
[03:13:31] Beirdo: and thanks for reminding me to checkout Hulu too :)
[03:14:08] wagnerrp: couldnt access that in the PR? for tax paying US territories only?
[03:14:23] Beirdo: hey... PR pays tax
[03:14:28] Beirdo: just not to the IRS :)
[03:14:47] Beirdo: but yeah, it wasn't available, and my bandwidth su-diddley-ucked
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[03:18:22] bcgrown: nobody knows what provides FLAC encoding to MythMusic?
[03:19:09] Beirdo: hmm, they actually list PR in the state list in hulu's signup
[03:19:20] Beirdo: it rejected me when I looked from PR though
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[03:23:57] wagnerrp: bcgrown: you thinking of 'rookie blue'?
[03:25:01] wagnerrp: by the way, are you running any recent version of trunk?
[03:25:04] mzb: fwiw, international ppl can see that video (I think it's the same?) with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jneh5WqlU4&am . . . r_embedded#!
[03:26:31] bcgrown: wagnerrp: no, autobuilds
[03:26:51] bcgrown: wagnerrp: and the show is "True Blue," but they may still be filming it... http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_d . . . fbf1f9f1a1be
[03:28:02] wagnerrp: i was going to toss up a copy of the python script im using for prototyping, but it requires trunk
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[03:29:07] bcgrown: i could be convinced to set up trunk in a chroot jail, if i can figure out how
[03:29:32] iamlindoro: I *really* hope NBC does better with "The Cape" than they did with stupid stupid Heroes
[03:29:33] wagnerrp: isnt much good outside of a production system, with recordings and rules
[03:29:54] bcgrown: well i could copy my existing db, couldn't i?
[03:30:00] bcgrown: wouldn't be able to record anything though
[03:30:02] wagnerrp: i suppose
[03:30:15] bcgrown: don't know if that would be any help to you
[03:30:49] wagnerrp: it basically works, its just limited to the quality of the API data
[03:32:38] muns: after channel scanning any QAM such as 64 then when it asks for the chans "insert manually" or "ignore" do i insert all the conflicting ones and then do the fetch channels via listings SD
[03:33:17] wagnerrp: 'fetch channels' only works with analog tuners, not digital
[03:33:24] muns: oh
[03:34:39] muns: i finally seen pictures and sound lol but i think its OTA cuz i scanned qam256 and messing around i was swappin cables out and picture was still goin so not sure if that is good or bad
[03:35:12] muns: so i don't think it was scanning the actual digital cable and it was just gettin the ATSC
[03:36:04] muns: now i'm scanning the qam64 which has bunch more chans that me scanning 256
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[03:43:22] bcgrown: can a trunk frontend connect to a 0.23 backend?
[03:43:26] wagnerrp: no
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[03:45:27] bcgrown: hm that's what i thought
[03:45:58] bcgrown: any way to install 0.23 and trunk frontends on the same pc?
[03:47:27] [R]: into the home dir of 2 seperate users
[03:47:29] [R]: it might work
[03:48:42] bcgrown: hm
[03:50:50] Beirdo: OMG
[03:50:59] Beirdo: Hulu++
[03:51:14] Beirdo: now I can watch stuff I missed.
[03:51:54] Beirdo: like Family Guy with Quagmire's Dad. muhhahaha
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[03:56:49] bcgrown: wagnerrp: do you want me to try out that script of yours?
[03:57:13] wagnerrp: was merely offering it if you wanted to
[03:57:38] bcgrown: wagnerrp: i wouldn't mind actually
[03:58:15] bcgrown: wagnerrp: I might just set up a virtual machine to run trunk on
[04:03:38] wagnerrp: http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/coercion.tar.bz2
[04:03:52] wagnerrp: py can go anywhere, conf must go in your ~/.mythtv/ folder
[04:05:06] bcgrown: sweet, i'll give it a shot. gotta install mythbuntu in my vm first
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[04:07:05] bcgrown: btw, to any devs lurking the channel: thanks guys, you're all awesome :)
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[04:14:21] iamlindoro: Most of the people always helping you are Myth devs ;)
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[04:14:29] bcgrown: :)
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[04:15:23] xstrex: I need to know if mythtv keeps track of file names, or absolute paths?
[04:15:32] wagnerrp: filenames
[04:15:52] wagnerrp: the files can move around within any folder defined in a storage group on that host
[04:16:27] xstrex: so if I move, xxx.mpg from /shit to /fuck mythtv don't care?
[04:16:58] wagnerrp: as long as those are defined as storage groups on that host now
[04:17:06] wagnerrp: however that language is not permitted in this channel
[04:17:28] xstrex: sorry.. :-(
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[04:17:44] k-man: that's what foo and bar were invented for :)
[04:19:39] xstrex: so I'm migrating from independent drives, to a raid, as long as mythbackend is stopped, I move the files, add the new raid as a storage group, start mythbackend everything should be ok?
[04:20:03] wagnerrp: why do you want to move from independent drives to a raid
[04:20:04] jst: I lol'd.
[04:20:08] wagnerrp: independent drives are preferred
[04:20:38] xstrex: redundancy.
[04:20:56] jst: xstrex, I used to run a RAID. I replaced it with an rsync script.
[04:21:05] jst: Much better that way as far as performance.
[04:21:10] jst: Well, if you're talking RAID-0.
[04:21:15] jst: err, RAID-1?
[04:21:20] jst: The mirroring one.
[04:21:27] xstrex: raid5
[04:21:31] jst: Ahh, n/m.
[04:22:08] xstrex: performance +failover
[04:22:27] bcgrown: RAID-10
[04:22:47] wagnerrp: independent drives will give you better performance than raid5, but no failover
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[04:23:46] xstrex: understood, so what if the drive containing all your music for the last 20yrs fails?
[04:24:12] wagnerrp: music, video, images... perfectly fine for raid10/5
[04:24:25] wagnerrp: but its recommended you record to independent drives, or at least independent mirrors
[04:25:11] xstrex: understood, but why, when a raid setup is faster +redundant?
[04:25:19] wagnerrp: slower
[04:25:32] xstrex: umm.. how..
[04:25:49] wagnerrp: a raid system can never be faster than the sum of the speeds of the individual drives
[04:26:12] wagnerrp: but using mythtv to load balance recordings between the drives, you can get better performance than any array
[04:27:18] xstrex: well yea, but if it's writing 1/4 the stream to 4 drives how is that faster than writing to one drive and waiting for the buffer?
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[04:28:09] wagnerrp: four recordings, each to their own drive, will be far better than four recordings to a stripe using those four drives
[04:30:37] xstrex: ok, I understand, so mythtv tracks it's recordings by filename, and not absolute path.. so (with it stopped) their free to move around at will, as long as their part of a storage group?
[04:31:56] wagnerrp: all recordings are recorded to the base path of the directories it is given
[04:32:06] wagnerrp: the recording stores its filename, hostname, and storage group
[04:32:13] [R]: grr
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[04:32:17] [R]: the sound is all crackly
[04:32:21] wagnerrp: ideally, you move it between folders defined for that hostname and storage group
[04:32:37] wagnerrp: but if it cannot find the recording, it will search among all storage group folders defined for that hostname before giving up
[04:33:03] wagnerrp: you can move the files at will, so long as mythtv is currently not using it
[04:33:46] xstrex: ok, so I'm correct then.. assuming the new location is part of a storage group.
[04:33:53] wagnerrp: yes
[04:34:05] xstrex: thankyou..
[04:36:00] dougt: is there a way to have a bookmark set automatically to the furtherest point a recording has been played?
[04:36:36] xstrex: so another question (which will probably start a debate) when will mythtv integrate features already present in Boxee?
[04:36:48] wagnerrp: such as?
[04:37:43] xstrex: streaming shows from network sites.. apps.. social networks...
[04:38:16] wagnerrp: streaming from the internet is in 0.23, and will have several more supported sites in 0.24
[04:38:28] wagnerrp: mythtv has supported plugins for several years
[04:38:44] wagnerrp: there is a rather crude plugin for twitter
[04:38:44] xstrex: I'm sure it will..
[04:39:05] iamlindoro: crude, huh
[04:39:22] wagnerrp: but as very few people use a keyboard for mythtv, there is relatively little use for for social networks
[04:39:42] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: wrong? ive never used it, i thought you just put it together as a proof of concept rather than anything else
[04:39:45] dougt: the last thing I want is twitter while watching tv.
[04:39:46] xstrex: I'm honestly in support of mythtv.. but boxee already has it..
[04:39:50] dougt: fwiw
[04:40:04] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Basically a full client, didn't see any part of it as crude
[04:40:21] wagnerrp: i apologize, i thought it was just something you were toying with for a couple days
[04:40:35] iamlindoro: timeline viewing, tweeting, following/unfollowing, tweet from anywhere in the UI, etc.
[04:40:42] xstrex: in this day and age, social networks are a way of life (unfortunatly)
[04:40:47] iamlindoro: Well it was the product of just a few days work, but I think it was relatively polished
[04:42:50] xstrex: unfortunately I'm still on .22 because of the features I get with boxee.. hopefully mythtv will be able to compete (i know I'm starting a debate, and I'm sorry :-))
[04:43:12] iamlindoro: We don't care what you use
[04:43:24] xstrex: I know that.
[04:43:25] iamlindoro: And I doubt anyone has any intention of debating you about anything
[04:43:33] Beirdo: heh
[04:43:38] iamlindoro: If you want to use boxee and not upgrade, we don't care
[04:44:02] wagnerrp: basically, in order for mythtv to include support for social networks, someone wanting to use them has to spend the time to program it in
[04:44:21] iamlindoro: which in the case of twitter, was easy enough to add in one afternoon's work
[04:44:27] Beirdo: why would we wanna have that? :)
[04:44:47] iamlindoro: So if they're that critical to anyone, they can add them with ease
[04:44:52] Beirdo: so we can annoy our friends by telling them everything we watch?
[04:45:07] Beirdo: heh
[04:45:22] Beirdo: there are potential uses, but meh
[04:45:34] wagnerrp: (after spending the last year revamping two plugins, writing a third, and documenting much of the UI code)
[04:45:48] wagnerrp: sure, for that person, its an afternoon's work... :P
[04:45:56] iamlindoro: Point taken
[04:46:00] xstrex: thanks iamlindora, I know you don't care.. I'm just pointing out that another free product does more.. I still use both btw.
[04:46:15] Beirdo: so point it out in #boxee
[04:46:17] Beirdo: :)
[04:46:21] bcgrown: xstrex: add boxee as a mythtv menu item, and you're set
[04:46:29] xstrex: thanks :-)
[04:46:51] iamlindoro: and pointing out that something does "more" without any experience with our current version rings a bit hollow
[04:46:54] xstrex: bcarown, thanks!
[04:46:54] bcgrown: it worked okay when i tried it but a lot of the Boxee apps don't support volume control, which makes them basically useless
[04:47:23] wagnerrp: how are 'boxee apps' different from mythtv's plugin api?
[04:47:35] iamlindoro: I happen to think myth does "more" because I can record television, play emulators, have a client-server architecture, AND play streaming video off the internet
[04:48:12] iamlindoro: And Boxee isn't a DVR... so IMO it does quite a bit less without offering any obvious advantage
[04:48:14] xstrex: I'm sorry, I'm playing devils advocate here. I'm in support of mythtv 100%.
[04:48:38] xstrex: so when will mythtv have apps?
[04:48:49] xstrex: working or not..?
[04:48:54] iamlindoro: For the third time, what is it you think an "app" is that a plugin isn;t?
[04:48:55] Beirdo: why should it?
[04:48:55] wagnerrp: ill ask again... how are 'apps' different from the current plugin architecture?
[04:49:15] bcgrown: wagnerrp: architecture-wise, i don't know. from a user's perspective though, the only difference is that boxee has more of them
[04:49:23] xstrex: youtube for example.
[04:49:30] iamlindoro: You have youtube support
[04:49:33] iamlindoro: That's not an "app"
[04:49:35] wagnerrp: youtube is one grabber for mythnetvision
[04:49:48] wagnerrp: mythnetvision being the plugin for streaming internet content
[04:49:56] xstrex: pandora?
[04:50:11] wagnerrp: should be added to music, not an independent app
[04:50:30] iamlindoro: This is a false argument
[04:50:39] xstrex: I'm sorry, I'm on your side, I'm just pointing out the obvious.
[04:50:46] iamlindoro: he'll just list boxee apps and the first one we don't have is faux "proof"
[04:50:49] [R]: haha... i'm watching 'Border Wars'... and they just showed the Nogales border... I was totally there once!
[04:51:42] wagnerrp: i was watching 'Traffic'... i was like 'i know that school, those kids totally are all druggies'
[04:51:51] [R]: HAHA
[04:52:04] xstrex: lol
[04:53:04] iamlindoro: xstrex, I could just as easily say "Does Boxee have DVR? Does Boxee play emulated games?" And the answer is no... so does that make me the big winner?
[04:53:12] tank-man: "apps", heh
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[04:53:19] iamlindoro: There's little you can do in an "app" in Boxee that you can't do with a grabber in MNV
[04:53:29] jstenback: is there a known guess at a schedule for landing the mythui-osd branch on trunk by now, or too soon to tell?
[04:53:35] iamlindoro: Which for the record supports Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu, iPlayer, and a dozen or so others
[04:53:45] iamlindoro: jstenback, several weeks
[04:53:46] Beirdo: the only "apps" I truly care about go on my iPhone
[04:54:00] jstenback: iamlindoro: ok, thanks
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[04:55:42] xstrex: iamlindora: ok thanks I understand your point of view. without upgrading to .23 I have no ground to stand on.. you win!
[04:56:22] k-man: i tried boxee once, it was no good for my needs
[04:56:33] k-man: i prefer mythtv
[04:56:40] xstrex: same here
[04:57:10] xstrex: but for me on .22 I couldn't stream pandora..
[04:57:14] bcgrown: xstrex: the mythnetvision plugin in 0.23 is really quite slick
[04:57:34] Beirdo: xstrex: who cares about 0.22 anymore?
[04:57:36] k-man: i think pandora is US only isn't it?
[04:57:47] bcgrown: yep
[04:57:57] xstrex: I can't wait to try it bcarown..
[04:57:58] bcgrown: it's not-Canada, at least
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[05:00:11] vhann: What is the highest resolution one can capture on analog TV? Any tuner card supporting which works under GNU/Linux?
[05:00:28] [R]: analog where
[05:00:40] [R]: vhann: linuxtv has a list of tuner cards that work in liniux
[05:00:51] wagnerrp: analog tv is going to be 480i in NTSC territories, or 576i in PAL
[05:01:07] wagnerrp: for either, youll want a PVR-150 or 500
[05:01:34] wagnerrp: how does the boxee pandora app work? just their own interface to the streaming player on the pandora website
[05:01:35] wagnerrp: ?
[05:02:03] wagnerrp: considering pandora does not allow 3rd party clients
[05:02:06] xstrex: prettymuch
[05:02:09] vhann: wagnerrp: So, suppose I have a Bell ExpressVu subscription, it is impossible to capture over 480i (NTSC) without bypassing the law/their terms, right?
[05:02:35] bcgrown: vhann: no, doesn't your sat receiver have an analog output?
[05:02:47] vhann: bcgrown: Yes
[05:02:52] wagnerrp: then just capture off that
[05:03:00] wagnerrp: you are allowed, and there is nothing they can say otherwise
[05:03:14] [R]: i dunno... they got some pretty crazy laws up there in canadia
[05:03:15] [R]: haha
[05:03:22] vhann: I thought I couldn't capture DVB signals off an analog output?
[05:03:33] [R]: vhann: who said anything about DVB?
[05:03:34] wagnerrp: no, you capture analog signals off that analog output
[05:03:43] bcgrown: [R]: I think we have less crazy laws than you down there in Merka. DMCA, we're looking at you
[05:03:51] vhann: wagnerrp: Yeah, but then I can't go over 480i, right?
[05:04:04] wagnerrp: assuming youre doing NTSC capture, yes
[05:04:09] bcgrown: vhann: What other outputs does your receiver have?
[05:04:11] [R]: bcgrown: twas a joke, i like making fun of canadians, they just look so funny... gotta love south park :P
[05:04:22] wagnerrp: do you have component outputs on the box?
[05:04:28] bcgrown: [R]: it's okay. you guys are a really cushy seat for us
[05:04:45] vhann: bcgrown: RCA (Yellow), S-Video, HDMI, YUV (Red, Blue, Green)
[05:05:04] wagnerrp: you can buy an HDPVR, and capture component video up to 1080i
[05:05:04] vhann: s/YUV/component/
[05:05:13] bcgrown: vhann: what he said
[05:05:20] bcgrown: vhann: no firewire?
[05:05:28] vhann: bcgrown: I don't think so
[05:05:37] k-man: vhann: which country are you in out of interest?
[05:05:56] bcgrown: k-man: probably Canada if it's BEV :)
[05:05:59] vhann: k-man: Canada
[05:06:36] vhann: wagnerrp: Is the DviCo Fusion HDTV 7 Dual Express a "HDPVR"? http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/fusion7dex.asp
[05:06:56] k-man: what is BEV?
[05:07:02] bcgrown: Bell ExpressVu
[05:07:09] k-man: how come you guys are still stuck using analogue?
[05:07:10] [R]: vhann: does it say the word PVR anywhere on that page or does it say anything about capturing over component?
[05:07:22] k-man: or is that a cable thing?
[05:07:30] tank-man: "stuck"? its a preference for some
[05:07:33] bcgrown: vhann: HDPVR is a specific device used to capture component video.
[05:07:36] wagnerrp: the HDPVR is the HDPVR... http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
[05:07:49] k-man: tank-man: how cound analogue be a preference over digital?
[05:07:50] vhann: Oh, ok, sorry
[05:07:58] k-man: i mean, for what reason?
[05:08:17] [R]: k-man: i can't capture all of my hd channels over digital
[05:08:46] wagnerrp: k-man: because analog cannot be encrypted and copy protected
[05:08:57] k-man: ah, i see
[05:09:27] wagnerrp: encryption we can handle, if they just open up the spec
[05:09:34] wagnerrp: see conditional access systems for DVB
[05:09:59] wagnerrp: but copy protection we cant do, because we cant be trusted to protect the content from the rightful purchaser (you)
[05:10:08] [R]: protect it from
[05:10:08] [R]: HAHA
[05:10:11] [R]: love the wording
[05:10:18] wagnerrp: the customer is the enemy
[05:10:39] wagnerrp: man the lawyers, litigate when you see the whites of their eyes!
[05:10:46] k-man: i guess we are lucky here so far, at least with FTA tv, its all open DVB-T currently
[05:11:03] k-man: in Australia that is
[05:11:14] vhann: wagnerrp: Are there any internal (e.g.: PCI-e) HD analogue tv tuners?
[05:11:27] wagnerrp: there is no HD analog content to tune
[05:11:37] bcgrown: k-man: we have ATSC in Canada, and I don't think there is any restrictions on that... yet
[05:11:38] [R]: not is there any "hd" tuners
[05:11:41] [R]: nor*
[05:11:48] bcgrown: k-man: only a few channels though
[05:12:11] [R]: i would kill for an hdpvr in pci form
[05:12:12] wagnerrp: there are digital tuners, but those just capture a precompressed data stream
[05:12:22] wagnerrp: resolution is irrelevant
[05:12:34] vhann: wagnerrp: And if I replace 'tuner' by 'pvr', is my question sound?
[05:12:47] wagnerrp: you should replace 'tuner' with 'capture device'
[05:13:11] vhann: Ok, and then, my question would be sound?
[05:13:16] [R]: vhann: what do you want to capture?
[05:13:23] wagnerrp: and no, the HDPVR i linked you to is the only HD analog capture device supported by mythtv
[05:13:40] vhann: wagnerrp: Ok, thanks
[05:13:51] wagnerrp: there are other component capture devices and cards, but they have limited or no support in linux
[05:13:59] wagnerrp: avermedia makes a couple
[05:14:09] vhann: [R]: Shows from my BEV subscriptions?
[05:14:17] wagnerrp: blackmagic makes some as well, with linux support, but only for their own custom programs
[05:14:24] [R]: vhann: but what
[05:14:26] vhann: wagnerrp: Thanks, I'll check that (avermedia)
[05:14:42] wagnerrp: vhann: no sense looking, unless you intend to write the driver for it
[05:14:48] vhann: [R]: I don't understand your question
[05:14:53] [R]: vhann: how do you want to capture it
[05:14:57] vhann: wagnerrp: Oh, ok
[05:15:04] wagnerrp: not to mention their card is a framegrabber, meaning it requires a LOT of power
[05:15:17] [R]: wagnerrp: THATS what she said
[05:15:17] [R]: haha
[05:15:37] wagnerrp: i swear, those things are just getting less and less coherent
[05:15:42] [R]: lol
[05:16:13] vhann: [R]: Any possible way, but from what I understand, I can't capture "before" the satelitte receiver, so that means I must use an analog "capture device"
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[05:16:41] [R]: vhann: well if you want hd, the only analog is component
[05:16:46] bcgrown: vhann: correct, the signal "before" the receiver is encrypted
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[05:18:52] [R]: omg, they hid the drugs in the gas tank
[05:20:53] bcgrown: mythbuntu autobuilds 0.24 = trunk = svn ?
[05:21:17] [R]: svn doesnt describe anything
[05:21:22] [R]: but yes, mythbuntu's "0.24" is trunk
[05:21:45] bcgrown: trunk = the latest code available via svn?
[05:21:51] bcgrown: (is what i meant to say)
[05:21:57] [R]: trunk is the main branch from svn
[05:21:58] [R]: yes
[05:22:23] [R]: 23-fixes is also "latest code"
[05:22:51] bcgrown: 23-fixes = bugfixes, 0.24 = new features?
[05:23:06] [R]: 23-fixes is fixes to 23
[05:23:09] [R]: 24 is main developpment
[05:23:21] bcgrown: yeah, that's what i wanted to confirm
[05:23:25] tank-man: [R], what show is this where the drugs where hidden?
[05:23:41] [R]: tank-man: Border Wars
[05:23:50] [R]: this is one of the better DEA-type shows I've seen
[05:23:58] bcgrown: [R]: isn't that a CBC production?
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[05:24:11] [R]: bcgrown: cbc?
[05:24:28] bcgrown: *scoff*
[05:24:38] bcgrown: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation :)
[05:24:41] [R]: god no
[05:24:44] [R]: this is american border
[05:24:59] vhann: If I am correct, the HD-PVR max datarate is about 5 to 6 GB/hour, is that right?
[05:25:14] [R]: vhann: maxbitrate is 13.5mbit/s
[05:25:25] bcgrown: [R]: You know that there's a border with Canada too, right?
[05:25:36] [R]: bcgrown: a crappy border
[05:25:40] bcgrown: I was thinking of this show: http://www.cbc.ca/theborder/ that the Ceeb advertises all the time (not that i watch those anymore!)
[05:25:48] jstenback: vhann: more like ~4 gigs per hour here
[05:25:49] [R]: vhann: Border Wars is 1 hour long and its 5.9GB
[05:25:58] [R]: jstenback: sounds like your not at max bitrate
[05:26:03] jstenback: hmm
[05:26:10] jstenback: I am tho
[05:26:16] jstenback: odd
[05:26:20] vhann: jstenback: Per my readings, it ranges from 1 to 13.5 mbits/sec
[05:26:22] [R]: bcgrown: in what messed up world does "Border Wars" == "The Border"?
[05:26:37] [R]: jstenback: no, you're not
[05:26:45] [R]: jstenback: if you were, it wodn't be 4gb
[05:26:51] [R]: jstenback: if you dont set it up right, its gonna be doing VBR
[05:26:54] jstenback: vhann: yes, peaking at 20 IIRC
[05:27:01] [R]: it peaks at 20 with VBR
[05:27:05] bcgrown: [R]: the world where i didn't remember the name of the lattter
[05:27:09] [R]: CBR max is 13.5
[05:27:14] [R]: bcgrown: haha
[05:27:28] jstenback: [R]: ah, I bet I'm doing VBR
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[05:27:38] [R]: not bet... if its 4gb/hr you ARE
[05:27:43] jstenback: [R]: is that a setting in myth, or something you need to tweak outside?
[05:27:51] [R]: jstenback: setting the recording profile
[05:28:38] vhann: And, if my calculations are exact, 13.5mbits/sec equals ~5.66 GB per hour (rounded to the 2nd decimal)
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[05:28:47] vhann: *GiB
[05:28:57] [R]: vhann: you're forgetting about the audio
[05:29:41] vhann: [R]: I don't know about that. I just calculated from the max _datarate_ (I assumed datarate meant everything)
[05:30:01] [R]: how are you getting 5.66?
[05:30:19] [R]: 13.5 is bitrate
[05:30:20] vhann: (13.5*10^6*3600)/8/2^30
[05:31:05] vhann: [R]: This: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html says 'max datarate of 13.5mbits/sec'
[05:31:11] jstenback: [R]: hmm, I don't see that setting anywhere in the recording profiles... is it a setting in 0.23 as well, or trunk only?
[05:31:24] [R]: vhann: ((13.5/8)*3600)/1024
[05:31:30] [R]: jstenback: 23
[05:31:42] [R]: jstenback: its under hdpvr
[05:31:42] jstenback: [R]: I see the different bitrates, but nothing for CBR vs VBR
[05:31:58] [R]: jstenback: the easist way to get CBR is to make them the same value
[05:32:34] [R]: that'd be a great project... to fix that screen... although i heard someone say they were going to fix it
[05:32:38] jstenback: oh, I was looking for a checkbox kinda thing
[05:33:38] jstenback: either way, I think I'm happy with the way I have the HD-PVR set up here...
[05:34:00] Beirdo: Hmmm, I wonder where I left the ticket for Wednesday's Mariners game...
[05:34:00] [R]: if you enjoy low bitrate trash, then go right ahead and leave it
[05:34:16] Beirdo: I hope it's in my desk at work... can't find it at home
[05:34:19] jstenback: and looking again, I do see recordings where it's 5+ gigs per hour, so I misspoke earlier
[05:34:49] jstenback: [R]: so you're saying simply change the bitrates to be the exact same value and I'll get CBR, and thus better quality?
[05:34:59] [R]: jstenback: well tahts generally what higher bitrate means...
[05:36:40] jstenback: [R]: true true, but it's not exactly obvious that lowering the max bitrate would increase the bitrate
[05:36:57] [R]: the screen sucks, yes
[05:37:01] [R]: but when you read the specs
[05:37:05] [R]: you know max bitrate is 13.5
[05:38:28] jstenback: fair enough
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[05:41:35] piper69: am following the this wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600, but i can't get any channels at all
[05:41:58] [R]: piper69: can't get any channels yo usay
[05:42:18] piper69: [R]: yes sir
[05:42:28] piper69: when i do the scan it fail
[05:42:59] piper69: [R]: am on step 5
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[05:43:59] [R]: what are you hooked up to?
[05:44:30] piper69: [R]: cable
[05:45:04] [R]: who is your provider?
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[05:45:25] piper69: for QAM-256 scan am getting Timed-out,no sig then failed to find and new channels
[05:45:57] piper69: [R]: At&T home entertainment , but it is direct-tv
[05:46:07] [R]: directtv isn't cable...
[05:46:22] piper69: i know it is confusing
[05:47:09] [R]: what's confusing?
[05:47:15] [R]: [10:46:07] [R] directtv isn't cable...
[05:47:31] piper69: [R]: i live in apartment complex, were i can't setup my own dish, its is contracted to AT&T....so what the did is they put a huge satellite and the mux it to the apartment thru Direct-TV
[05:47:43] [R]: ok
[05:47:59] [R]: and how do you pcick up the channels?
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[05:48:42] vhann: [R]: Your calculations are getting GB/hour while mine are getting GiB/hour, that's the difference (yeah, I've been checking that all that time)
[05:48:50] seventoes: so i have an older tv that only has Component video in.. can't seem to find a VGA to component converter that isn't RCA
[05:49:08] [R]: vhann: of course its gb/hour... every time i said i said gb
[05:49:33] [R]: seventoes: huh? component uses rca plugs...
[05:49:42] piper69: before the wiki , the card was auto detected , but i couldn't get the remote to work, so i followed the wiki to compile v4l-dvb
[05:50:01] piper69: but before i was get channel fine
[05:50:03] seventoes: [R]: err hmm.. not component then.. it's video/L audio/R audio
[05:50:19] [R]: seventoes: that's composite video
[05:50:23] vhann: seventoes: The sole difference between an RCA cable and a component cable is shielding
[05:50:24] piper69: from STB i use s-video cbl to my capture card
[05:50:37] [R]: piper69: well that's not QAM and you dont scan over svideo
[05:50:42] bcgrown: goodbye everybody
[05:51:26] piper69: so what do you suggest i do
[05:51:39] [R]: set up myth to use the svideo input properly?
[05:51:46] piper69: ok
[05:51:54] seventoes: this one would work fine for me then? http://cl.ly/16TX
[05:52:33] [R]: [10:46:07] [R] directtv isn't cable...
[05:52:35] [R]: der
[05:52:37] [R]: The Cables Unlimited AUD-2350 VGA to s-video or RCA adapter is designed to connect computers and laptops to TVs and projectors if your graphics card has TV-out function capability through VGA port.
[05:52:40] [R]: seventoes: read the key words
[05:52:50] seventoes: aha
[05:53:18] seventoes: wonder if this card can do that.. lemme figure out what it is first
[05:53:24] seventoes: oh i dont have a card duh
[05:53:31] seventoes: onboard something
[05:53:45] [R]: "graphics card" doesn't mean a phsyical card
[05:53:50] seventoes: yeah
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[05:53:55] [R]: it means a device that outputs graphics
[05:54:39] seventoes: uhg.. should just get a new tv..
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[05:56:13] seventoes: so is TV-out through VGA something that i could find a driver for or is it hardware?
[05:56:43] [R]: both
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[06:20:28] dougt: are m4v files supported out of the box by mythvideo?
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[06:22:05] [R]: should be
[06:23:17] dougt: i see "Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: blahblah.m4v"
[06:23:28] dougt: using a recent pull of the trunk.
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[06:24:27] [R]: what does ffmpeg -i say about the file?
[06:24:27] dougt: this is a newer install, so maybe I am missing some prerequisite.
[06:24:55] dougt: command?
[06:24:58] dougt: oh, sorry
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[06:27:24] dougt: video: mpeg4, audio: aac
[06:27:47] [R]: sounds like you dindt compile it right
[06:28:37] dougt: "it" being?
[06:28:40] dougt: http://pastebin.com/3gb0xXeX
[06:28:48] dougt: compile what right?
[06:29:11] dougt: ffmpeg is from ubuntu.
[06:29:11] [R]: you just said you pulled trunk
[06:29:15] [R]: so you compiled myth...
[06:29:19] dougt: right,
[06:29:32] [R]: so...
[06:29:35] [R]: [11:27:46] [R] sounds like you dindt compile it right
[06:29:38] dougt: i compiled mythtv... but I am not sure how i could have incorrectly compiled it.
[06:29:48] [R]: missing deps, not knowing what you are doing, etc
[06:29:55] dougt: well, i guess I could think of ways.
[06:30:07] dougt: heh
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[06:30:47] dougt: yeah, that was helpful. ;-)
[06:34:54] dougt: if anyone else knows, please chime in ^
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[06:51:39] dougt: figured it out.
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[06:52:09] dougt: open up the README; install all of the libraries that the README mentions.
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[06:52:49] dougt: (we probably should file a bug somewhere about editing the deb dependencies for mythplugins
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[06:53:41] dougt: but still some of the mac encodings do not work (moov files)
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[06:56:45] dougt: okay, a bit closer to a perfect myth setup.... zzz
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[07:17:37] sportman: can someone point me to any info about using capture cards that work with cable cards?
[07:17:44] sportman: is this a possibility
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[08:01:06] dfletcher_: hrm you're getting a redirect error in mythweb Sebastian_? new to me. maybe someone else here knows.
[08:01:58] Sebastian_: Yes, firefox tells me: "Error: Redirection – The site starts a loop"
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[08:20:40] sportman: when viewing analog tv, it shows the channel for about 4 seconds and then scrambles
[08:20:48] sportman: qam is working fine, any idea what would cause this?
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[08:35:01] eddief: hello
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[09:29:29] recsa: Hi all, could use any hint on this: Mythbuntu 10.04, updated to latest kernel, using Hauppauge HVR-1120
[09:29:43] recsa: video works perfectly out of the box
[09:31:16] recsa: but theres no way to make the IR remote to work, "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" shows no clue about the IR
[09:31:24] recsa: neither does dmesg
[09:32:10] recsa: any hint to help me debug this will be welcome
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[10:08:25] Sebastian_: Hi, can somebody help me configuring mythweb correctly?
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[13:06:54] k-man: how can i grap a screenshot of mythtv?
[13:08:58] wagnerrp: there is a keybinding for making a screenshot
[13:12:25] k-man: wagnerrp: i found scrot is working well for me
[13:13:25] wagnerrp: scrot?
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[13:16:35] k-man: its a command line screen grabber
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[13:58:50] johnnyj: wasn't penn state joe on here yesterday?
[13:58:56] wagnerrp: yes
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[14:40:53] johnnyj: Steve Jobs personally guards my iPhone
[14:41:11] johnnyj: he's sitting right here
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[14:41:37] johnnyj: you try typing with Jobs looking over your shoulder
[14:43:01] quicksilver: win 19
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[14:48:49] sphery: johnnyj: nice, so if you leave it in a bar, he'll pay off the cops to go raid someone's house after they return the phone to you, and will get you a few free computers and stuff?
[14:49:14] sphery: just hope the guy that finds your iphone has some nice computers for you
[14:49:39] Dibblah: sphery: Gah at Simon's continual 1-line "wouldn't it be better"s.
[14:50:14] sphery: heh
[14:50:42] sphery: I should have apologized for the hack in my commit message. It wasn't long enough, so that would have helped me to make it longer.  :)
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[14:58:24] johnnyj: sphery – did Chen's house get raided?
[14:58:55] sphery: yeah, so I guess it would be a raid on the guy who buys your iphone from the guy who finds it
[14:59:08] johnnyj: got a link on that?
[14:59:59] sphery: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1602 . . . ditors-house + http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1 . . . iphone-raids
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[15:00:05] sphery: it is the inq, so...
[15:00:22] johnnyj: ha
[15:00:26] johnnyj: i was looking on Giz
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[15:01:08] sphery: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20003446-37.html + http://gizmodo.com/5524843/police-seize-jason-chens-computers
[15:01:47] johnnyj: awesomeness
[15:01:55] johnnyj: i love the distinction here : seizing four computers and two servers
[15:02:51] sphery: yeah
[15:02:56] sphery: I wonder how they'd classify mine
[15:03:16] sphery: I'll have to buy an iPhone 4G to find out, I guess
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[15:06:29] iamlindoro: Ha
[15:06:35] iamlindoro: was just composing a message to simonkenyon
[15:06:50] iamlindoro: To ask him why he feels the need to inteject douche-y comments on the dev list
[15:06:58] iamlindoro: but nothing of actual value
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[15:14:31] iamlindoro: http://epicwinftw.com/2010/05/17/awesome-vide . . . -of-awesome/
[15:14:36] iamlindoro: Awesome
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[15:17:30] johnnyj: so, the OT Poll just went off it's own topic?
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[15:40:42] johnnyj: if this guy's messed with an svn install and he's switching back to packages on ubuntu – would 'sudo make distclean' be all he needs? or is that even needed?
[15:41:13] iamlindoro: distlcean only cleans the source tree, not the installed libs/etc.
[15:41:15] johnnyj: or does he need to do a full manual remove of all the shared libs and includes?
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[15:41:35] iamlindoro: make uninstall will do some of the work, but it would be best to at least check the lib dirs to make sure there's nothing left
[15:41:43] markl: johnnyj: he should definitely find everything that was installed
[15:42:08] wagnerrp: johnnyj: what poll?
[15:42:09] markl: hopefully it went to /usr/local so it will be easy to find everything
[15:42:36] wagnerrp: oh, the 'best os' one?
[15:42:40] wagnerrp: i just ignore those
[15:42:43] iamlindoro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1485477 That post is a gem
[15:42:58] johnnyj: omg
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[15:45:05] johnnyj: what's the search mask for JUST mythtv libs?
[15:45:21] johnnyj: *mythui* and *mythtv* ?
[15:45:36] markl: how about: locate myth | grep lib
[15:45:43] iamlindoro: johnnyj: No, don't tell them to do it your way
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[15:45:53] iamlindoro: tell them to do it the right way instead ;)
[15:45:56] iamlindoro: ls -l /usr/{,local/}lib/{mythtv,libmyth*} /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv
[15:45:57] johnnyj: iamlindoro – im trying not to reaeat that mistake
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[15:46:11] iamlindoro: followed by
[15:46:14] wagnerrp: HAH, who is he paying?
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[15:46:17] iamlindoro: rm -rf /usr/{,local/}lib/{mythtv,libmyth*} /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv
[15:46:50] wagnerrp: oh, he lumps 'schedules direct' in with mythtv and ubuntu
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[15:47:03] wagnerrp: 'Open Source' is just one big company, right?
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[15:47:35] johnnyj: and they don't pay well
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[15:50:39] johnnyj: after selecting the .23 branch you also select what on the daily builds?
[15:50:43] johnnyj: ppa ?
[15:52:06] iamlindoro: I forget what they call it-- it's staging or testing repository
[15:52:17] iamlindoro: Most people should *not* enable that one
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[15:52:26] johnnyj: i'm looking for the last time one of us said all this in the list
[15:53:53] sphery: remember, though, that no one is paying for listings at schedules direct
[15:54:10] sphery: you pay for a membership at Schedules Direct, and you're given free access to listings
[15:54:27] ** sphery really thinks we need to stress how it really works **
[15:56:05] johnnyj: the mythfilldatabase outputs somethign that says 'your subscription will expire on ..."
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[15:56:27] markl: maybe some kind of alert system that shows up on the main menu?
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[15:56:37] markl: might be easy to implement
[15:57:10] ** johnnyj loves a good pop up message **
[15:57:22] iamlindoro: Wait for the widget
[15:57:50] iamlindoro: MythUI will have a universal notification system when gbee gets around to writing it
[15:58:02] markl: cool
[15:58:19] iamlindoro: But any work towards that end before he does will end up thrown away, so I don't want to see worthwhile effort wasted
[15:59:17] iamlindoro: sphery: I think that for the majority of users that's splitting hairs and won't make a lick of difference in their thinking
[15:59:32] iamlindoro: sphery: Insert money in slot a, retrieve listings from slot b
[15:59:48] iamlindoro: That's how it works for 99.999999% of users in their head, and nothing is likely to change it
[15:59:57] sphery: true, but perpetuating the myth that they're paying for listings data doesn't help, either
[16:00:18] sphery: it only leads to copyright/"information wants to be free"/... threads
[16:00:42] iamlindoro: sphery: In the absence of any other value added service, IMO they *are* paying for listings *service*
[16:01:01] iamlindoro: They are not paying to own the listings themselves, but they are most definitely paying for access to those listings
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[16:03:24] johnnyj: and where is mythTv's cut ?
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[16:04:09] iamlindoro: In my yacht
[16:04:21] johnnyj: i *knew* it
[16:05:48] iamlindoro: I wonder, if one did a "pay what you please" MythTV donation drive, like Radiohead did on their last album, what the average user would pay/consider MythTV worth.
[16:06:27] sphery: I'd say that those who pay would pay a lot more than people would expect, but most wouldn't pay
[16:06:33] sphery: just like Radiohead saw :)
[16:06:35] iamlindoro: Yup
[16:06:40] iamlindoro: I completely agree
[16:06:55] sphery: i.e. many paid more than the cost of buying the disc new
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[16:07:19] iamlindoro: Yep, and a fair number paid a penny
[16:07:27] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: Hehehe... Well, I broke down and ordered FiOS Extreme HD – and I now have two HD-PVRs and a 2nd HD-HomeRun. ;-) I'm getting 2 HD boxes initially, and will expand if necesary.
[16:07:49] j-rod: nice
[16:08:01] wagnerrp: for bonus points, how many 'bought' it because they actually like radiohead?
[16:08:32] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: I should upgrade my OS though, I'm still running FC8. I'm also having an odd LIRC issue, but it may be kernel related – I dunno...
[16:08:54] j-rod: fc8?!? :)
[16:09:04] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: Yep. ;-)
[16:09:20] J-e-f-f-A: I'm stubborn – "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"  ;-) hehehehehehehe
[16:09:24] iamlindoro: Hey, you don't want to get ahead of yourself on this upgrade thing
[16:11:05] johnnyj: J-e-f-f-A hows that token ring working out?
[16:11:29] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: Don't know if you'll know the answer, but were there any lirc issues where the 'carrier' didn't get sent consistently – I'm seeing the 'header' pulse not being sent properly – instead of a 4ms pulse, it's a blip at the beginning and end, thus the STB ignores the ir signal. :-( (as viewed on a real o-scope)
[16:11:50] J-e-f-f-A: johnnyj: Hehehe... I'm not using Token ring! I've got the RS422 network setup still.
[16:12:36] j-rod: J-e-f-f-A: doesn't ring any bells
[16:12:43] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lirc/sa_remote_waveform.jpg
[16:13:34] j-rod: ooh, pretty pictures… :)
[16:14:04] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: I'm guessing it's gonna be resolved with the newer OS/Kernel... I can't imagine it'd be an existing issue, or it would effect way more people.
[16:14:28] J-e-f-f-A: My Dish receivers aren't effected by it, they must be more 'tolerant' of the signal.
[16:14:29] j-rod: yeah, hopefully
[16:15:14] Dassu: if I kill mythcommflag. Will it try to resume later on?
[16:15:25] johnnyj: sphery – i'm not finding that dummy recording yet
[16:18:14] sphery: it definitely exists for DVB capture
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[16:18:32] sphery: no idea where, though
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[16:25:56] johnnyj: oh snap
[16:26:49] johnnyj: sphery – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . ain.cpp#L414
[16:29:12] sphery: that may be the dummy tuner type of dummy, not the temporary recording until we have data from the DVB card type of dummy
[16:30:26] sphery: I think the temp-recording dummy is handled by code outside of Live TV code, just as an initial (very short) program in the chain
[16:30:30] johnnyj: yes but i wasn't aware we had code lookign for a tuner type of DUMMY already
[16:30:35] sphery: ohh
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[16:48:40] sportman: hey
[16:48:52] sportman: does anyone know of any cablecard capture devices that work with myth?
[16:49:03] wagnerrp: none do, and they never will
[16:49:05] markl: :( that is my #1 complaint
[16:49:18] sportman: wagnerrp: why never?
[16:49:28] markl: complaint against the copyright nazis that is, not against mythtv
[16:49:42] sportman: oh cause myth tv doesn't do drm
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[16:49:43] wagnerrp: open source and DRM dont mix
[16:49:53] sportman: very upsetting
[16:50:02] sportman: what about the hd home run that is going to use cable cards
[16:50:10] sportman: think there is a chance of integrating myth with that?
[16:50:16] markl: always a "chance" :)
[16:50:24] wagnerrp: if a DRM scheme were to be made open source, the end user would merely have to disable the bit that blocks access to the content, and recompile
[16:50:44] wagnerrp: DRM requires obfuscation in order to do its work, and that just cannot happen with open source
[16:50:53] sportman: very true wagnerrp
[16:50:56] markl: the old DirecTivo had a great way to do the encryption – you could store the content on a hard drive but only play it back on the unit that recorded the program
[16:51:01] wagnerrp: sportman: supposedly one of the SD engineers is using a cablecard tuner with mythtv currently
[16:51:02] sportman: technically could someone create a closed source plugin?
[16:51:16] wagnerrp: however it will only be able to access the 'copy freely' channels
[16:51:30] wagnerrp: those that you can get off your cable box over firewire anyway
[16:51:31] sportman: like a closed source drm plugin
[16:51:44] markl: sportman: of course it is technically possible
[16:51:44] wagnerrp: sportman: wouldnt mesh with mythtv
[16:51:50] AndyCap: sportman: you'd have to controle all the stuff from cable receiver to hdcp output over hdmi
[16:51:55] wagnerrp: mythtv requires the ability to decode the video internally to work properly
[16:52:02] sportman: ah good point
[16:52:16] wagnerrp: and even if mythtv did everything in its power to support DRM
[16:52:18] markl: probably the closest you can get is one of those systems that can access your satellite and act as a D-VHS system
[16:52:46] ** sportman gets sad **
[16:52:47] wagnerrp: it still has to output the unencrypted video over X11, or Xv, or VDPAU, or one of several other unencrypted display protocols in linux
[16:52:48] markl: but they are expensive, still require a windows license for the D-VHS emulator, and probably not 100% legal
[16:52:51] AndyCap: D-VHS? is that over firewire?
[16:53:15] markl: AndyCap: i can't remember if it was usb2 or firewire
[16:53:33] markl: i considered buying one awhile ago but it would have cost $1k and i would have still had to give $$ to bill gates
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[16:53:56] markl: let me see if i can remember the company that was selling them
[16:54:24] sportman: so my option is use windows media center or don't capture encrypted content
[16:54:38] markl: sportman: sadly yes
[16:54:46] markl: well let me see if this other option is still viable
[16:54:49] sportman: or c somehow get something that modulates clear qam based on hdmi input
[16:54:55] wagnerrp: mythtv will do encrypted content just fine, mythtv cannot do DRM
[16:54:58] sportman: and push that through to a clear qam capture card
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[16:55:19] AndyCap: sportman: then you could just do hdpvr + component output?
[16:55:43] AndyCap: or are they sealing the analog hole completely shut?
[16:56:23] sportman: fuck my internet connection is blowing
[16:56:33] wagnerrp: sportman: no profanity in this channel
[16:56:38] sportman: sorry wagnerrp
[16:56:57] sportman: gosh darn network connection is not working right
[16:57:13] markl: http://www.nextcomwireless.com/R5000/home.htm
[16:57:14] johnnyj: 'dirty rotten' works too
[16:57:33] ** sportman cannot load web sites? yay dns fail? **
[16:57:47] markl: http://www.nextcomwireless.com/R5000/mythtv.htm
[16:58:06] markl: it has been a few years since i researched this
[16:58:25] ** sportman can't load any web pages :( fail **
[16:59:08] iamlindoro: markl: Unusable with any current version of myth, probably a DMCA violation, which is why we didn't apply the patches to add support and as such, not allowed for discussion here
[16:59:17] markl: ah ok
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[17:00:00] iamlindoro: But for information it wouldn't work on any version of myth in the last two years anyway, so it's moot either way
[17:00:20] sportman: so what were you guys saying about a hdpvr
[17:00:41] sportman: is there something that can record based on componant in? would that work for encrypted channel recording?
[17:00:43] wagnerrp: hauppage makes an HDPVR, a USB attached HD component capture device
[17:00:50] AndyCap: sportman: the hd-pvr
[17:01:04] wagnerrp: since component cannot be encrypted, it will be able to capture anything your cable box outputs
[17:01:25] wagnerrp: your cable box acts as the tuner, and is captured at up to 1080i using the HDPVR
[17:01:35] sportman: mythtv compatible?
[17:01:45] sportman: and id have to set up an ir blaster i suppose :-p
[17:02:29] AndyCap: sportman: unless you can control channels through firewire or some other cable interface
[17:02:57] markl: how good is the quality?
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[17:03:04] markl: that sounds like it could be fun to play with
[17:04:21] iamlindoro: Quality is virtually indistinguishable from the original at decent bitrate
[17:04:51] markl: i wonder what Dish would charge for a 2nd receiver just for this? hmmm!
[17:05:22] J-e-f-f-A: markl: I think it's $10 for a 'regular' HD receiver (ie no PVR)
[17:05:38] sportman: this solution makes me less up set, but still would have been nice to use cable cards
[17:05:40] markl: being hauppauge, i would assume that linux is impossible to use with it though
[17:05:46] sportman: oh
[17:05:53] sportman: so nvm, might as well just get the cable card then
[17:05:58] AndyCap: markl: why?
[17:06:01] wagnerrp: markl: why?
[17:06:02] sportman: are there any component capture devices for linuxmce?
[17:06:05] J-e-f-f-A: markl: wong. HD-PVR works great in Linux.
[17:06:12] sportman: oo thank goodness :-p
[17:06:20] AndyCap: sportman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR
[17:06:33] J-e-f-f-A: sportman: linuxmce != mythtv btw...
[17:06:36] markl: i got burned with my hauppauge hi def card back in like 2002 so i don't trust them
[17:06:41] markl: but i would love to be proven wrong :)
[17:06:58] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A, sportman: actually, linuxmce IS mythtv, albeit a very old version of it
[17:06:59] J-e-f-f-A: markl: nah, you didn't check the v4l site in 2002....
[17:07:16] markl: WinTV-HD i think it was, barely even worked in windows because their driver caused BSOD's every few minutes
[17:07:28] markl: that was my early adopter penalty i guess
[17:07:31] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Well, yeah, it's bits & pieces of it, nowhere near the whole 'package', and wouldn't have the HD-PVR support.
[17:08:09] sportman: J-e-f-f-A: actually hd-pvr was supported from .22
[17:08:12] markl: J-e-f-f-A: can i control the Dish receiver with serial?
[17:08:18] sportman: same the latest builds of linuxmce use
[17:08:27] sportman: Support Status Supported since 0.22
[17:08:43] markl: guess i could actually read the page first, heh
[17:09:05] J-e-f-f-A: markl: nope. Only option is IR for dish. But you can control multiple Dish receivers with one IR instance since each receiver can be set to 1 of 16 different control sets.
[17:09:09] markl: AC-3 muxing via S/PDIF, nice
[17:09:35] wagnerrp: sportman: unless youre looking for whole-home integration type stuff, i wouldnt bother with linuxmce
[17:09:55] sportman: wagnerrp: i prob would just use myth and not linuxmce
[17:09:59] markl: J-e-f-f-A: do you use one of these? what do I need to use for the IR control?
[17:10:00] sportman: linux mce is something i tinker with
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[17:10:04] ** J-e-f-f-A didn't realize that Linuxmce was still 'alive' and/or being maintained... **
[17:10:06] sportman: i may use it on another machine and use myth frontend
[17:10:12] sportman: on that machine
[17:10:17] markl: i tried linuxmce but their installation process was unusable. but to be fair it was the 1.0 version i think
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[17:10:29] johnnyj: ha
[17:10:33] sportman: markl: its meh, there is a lot of good and a lot of bad lol
[17:10:43] J-e-f-f-A: markl: I currently use 3 "SD" Dish receivers with Dish, but am switching to Verizon FiOS HD with 2 HD-PVRs in 10 days.
[17:11:01] markl: sportman: yeah they just tried to do too much with the install, instead of starting out as an add-on to centos or something
[17:11:12] wagnerrp: markl: linuxmce was really designed for professional installation, with a very limited set of supported hardware
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[17:11:14] markl: J-e-f-f-A: cool! which ir product do you use?
[17:11:21] wagnerrp: its the open source half of plutohome
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[17:11:28] markl: is there something called the "ir blaster"?
[17:11:30] sportman: yea if you had the right hardware it can do some really amazing stuff
[17:11:46] sportman: if you ever watched the demo video which had all supported hardware, it would make you go :D
[17:11:46] markl: i swore off ir when i got rid of my first gen tivo
[17:11:56] J-e-f-f-A: markl: Wait, their isntall process was unusable???? Wasn't it supposed to be "put in the cd/DVD, and everything gets setup automagically, without having to do anythign at all???"  — at least that's what the demo video portrayed...
[17:12:07] AndyCap: markl: a generic name, and also a seller of one blaster at irblaster.info.
[17:12:29] sportman: back in a bit
[17:12:37] AndyCap: markl: can't say if they're any good or not though.
[17:13:18] markl: J-e-f-f-A: heh yeah
[17:13:26] wagnerrp: markl: ir blasters will work, but they are the least desirable method of control
[17:13:32] markl: what is the most desirable?
[17:13:44] wagnerrp: better options are firewire for cable boxes, usb for some Dish boxes, serial for older stuff....
[17:13:48] markl: for an HD-PVR -> dish hd non-dvr box
[17:13:52] J-e-f-f-A: markl: I currently use a home-made hardware-serial-port IR blaster. I've been using that since day 1 with myth (like a zillion years now... well, at least 5 or 6, I can't remember...)... but in 10 day's I'll be using Firewire instead with my new FiOS HD boxes...
[17:14:28] markl: wagnerrp: ok cool, are you saying that there is likely to be a dish hd receiver that i can control with USB?
[17:14:32] wagnerrp: some of the Dish boxes have a USB control port, that accepts commands over serial
[17:14:42] J-e-f-f-A: I personally have not had any major issues with IR control, but it can be quite a pain to setup.
[17:14:52] wagnerrp: so you do some funky connection with a pair of USB-Serial adapters hooked end to end
[17:14:57] markl: J-e-f-f-A: heh yeah i still have PTSD from the old tivo days
[17:15:15] markl: i can't just plug it into my computer's usb port?
[17:15:29] markl: ok guess it's time for google again
[17:15:30] wagnerrp: markl: no, you cannot directly connect two USB host devices
[17:15:34] AndyCap: J-e-f-f-A: were you the one with the fancy webcam for feedback?
[17:15:36] wagnerrp: at best, it wont work
[17:15:49] wagnerrp: at worse, it will blow out multiple components on both machines
[17:16:28] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: I think that's directtv you're thinking about... (usb->Seriall-Serial->usb)
[17:16:38] wagnerrp: it could be directtv, i get the two mixed up
[17:16:49] J-e-f-f-A: AndyCap: Nah... ;-)
[17:18:10] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: DirectTV receivers will work with really old usb->Serial cables, many of the newer ones won't work with them.
[17:19:03] markl: wagnerrp: so it isn't the "ir blaster" product itself that is least desirable – it is just the IR process in general?
[17:19:04] J-e-f-f-A: markl: but for Dish, IR blasting isn't a 'black art' anymore – it's 'almost' plug&play – you should find some good resources and I can help too.
[17:19:17] markl: supposing i want to go that route, which product should i buy?
[17:19:31] markl: i have my credit card out to get an HD-PVR, so i wanted to get the rest of the pieces now
[17:19:53] markl: and, how long until the copyright gurus shut off component altogether?
[17:19:54] wagnerrp: does the blaster on the HDPVR work?
[17:19:56] J-e-f-f-A: markl: The HD-PVR has a built-in blaster – which IIRC, is working properly now... thanks to Jarod and the lirc team...
[17:20:03] markl: ah ok sweet
[17:20:15] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: ^^ am I correct?
[17:20:18] wagnerrp: markl: once analog gets shut off, you have to shell out another $200 for an HDFury2
[17:20:41] markl: hmm what is hdfury2
[17:20:47] markl: should i just get one now?
[17:20:54] wagnerrp: no need at the moment
[17:20:57] johnnyj: can we tone down the language on the "Possible Countermeasures' section of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR ?
[17:20:58] AndyCap: unless they take care of the hdfury before shutting down analog. (piling on the fud)
[17:21:24] markl: "HDfury2 is the world smallest and most powerful HDCP deciphering converter ever built!"
[17:21:55] iamlindoro: johnnyj: I wrote it, what is your problem with it?
[17:21:57] johnnyj: what are the rules on editing the wiki?
[17:22:01] iamlindoro: It's an accurate statement of fact
[17:22:06] iamlindoro: Not our countermeasures, theirs
[17:22:40] iamlindoro: It's a fact that service providers are trying to gain the ability to arbitrarily disable component outputs
[17:22:55] johnnyj: can we date the information?
[17:23:14] iamlindoro: Everything has a citation
[17:23:23] markl: how does the hdfury2 do audio?
[17:23:24] iamlindoro: The citations include dates
[17:24:05] AndyCap: johnnyj: is it inaccurate or some other problem?
[17:24:46] johnnyj: my thinking is that from what I can tell, it causes people to pause dramatically upon the purchase of an HD-PVR
[17:24:51] johnnyj: this may be the intent
[17:25:08] iamlindoro: It's not our job to sell or prevent the sales of HD-PVRs
[17:25:10] markl: i think it is quite the opposite :)
[17:25:15] iamlindoro: only to accurately state the way things are
[17:25:53] johnnyj: i do see the merit in public education on what cable providers want to do to their STB's
[17:25:59] iamlindoro: It's a matter of fact that service providers are seeking (and succeeding in getting) permission to disable component outputs, and it is factual that one can work around this
[17:26:02] J-e-f-f-A: Looks like there is an HDfury3 now...
[17:26:02] AndyCap: hdfury3, hmm.
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[17:26:28] AndyCap: iamlindoro: while still remaining on the right side of the law. :)
[17:27:36] skd5aner: hehe, the original version of the HD-PVR article used the words to the effect of "The HD-PVR takes advantage of the 'analog hole' to record HD content" (paraphrasing)... I reworded that a bit a long time ago to make it sound less like a cheating, backdoor hack and more just the fact that you can record HD over analog ports
[17:28:14] iamlindoro: It only sounded like a dirty backdoor if you have a guilty conscience
[17:28:28] iamlindoro: "analog hole" is the common terminology for exactly what the HD-PVR uses
[17:28:29] skd5aner: "analog hole" makes it sound like you're taking advantage of a bug or something
[17:28:41] iamlindoro: Not to me it doesn't
[17:28:53] iamlindoro: Analog hole is the term that has been used for the last decade
[17:29:14] skd5aner: to the RIAA/MPAA, it's analogous to "analog backdoor"
[17:29:28] AndyCap: didn't mpaa invent the term?
[17:29:29] skd5aner: look at the recent FCC ruling
[17:29:42] iamlindoro: The view of the MPAA is not the view of the rest of the world, nor is it a valid one
[17:29:43] AndyCap: and thus is a term for a sneaky evil thing
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[17:30:13] AndyCap: and thus one should call it component output instead of the somewhat perverted view of "hole"
[17:30:24] skd5aner: It's not a hole at all, I really disagree that "analog hole" doesn't have a negative connotation with it in the media
[17:30:36] skd5aner: it's not an HDMI hole
[17:30:50] skd5aner: "you can use the digital hole, or the analog hole" heh
[17:31:35] iamlindoro: Polishing up the words doesn't make the HD-PVR any less an exploiter of the vulnerability commonly and widely known as the analog hole
[17:31:42] skd5aner: also, back in the day, many bad people used the term "analog hole" to mean: "no matter what you do, I can always just record via the analog... ne-ner ne-ner ne-ner"
[17:31:56] skd5aner: exactly, I don't think it's a vulnerability at all
[17:32:06] skd5aner: why is analog output of content a "vulnerability"
[17:32:07] AndyCap: iamlindoro: by that logic one could just call it the HD Pirate Video Recorder
[17:32:14] skd5aner: vulnerability = hole
[17:32:17] skd5aner: security hole
[17:32:22] johnnyj: skd5aner – there are no bad people – just bad acting people
[17:32:26] iamlindoro: Analog outputs *are* a security vulnerability
[17:32:26] johnnyj: or bad actors
[17:32:28] skd5aner: analog != security hole
[17:32:55] iamlindoro: You may not like it, you may not use it to pirate, but like it or not, analog outputs are a vulnerability for those selling media
[17:33:37] skd5aner: iamlindoro: exactly what the MPAA/RIAA would say, so why accentuate *their* point on a mythtv wiki?
[17:33:44] iamlindoro: skd5aner: I disagree- It may not be a hole in *your* security, but it most definitively is in the scurity of content providers
[17:33:51] johnnyj: http://xkcd.com/129/
[17:34:11] iamlindoro: skd5aner: Because it's a statement of fact. It *is* a vulnerability in their security.
[17:34:55] skd5aner: iamlindoro: I don't necessarily disagree with that "fact" – but it's all a matter of perspective... I don't think analog outputs, unless used specifically for evil, are a "security hole" – at least not that we should perpetuate that as something mythtv can "exploit"
[17:35:11] skd5aner: know what I mean?
[17:36:02] skd5aner: I see their point... and I see why "they" call it a hole, but I definitely don't think perpetuating the term helps anyone on the fair use side of the fence
[17:36:34] iamlindoro: skd5aner: I let it pass when you made the change, and I didn't change it back, but don't push your luck :P
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[17:36:49] skd5aner: iamlindoro: no worries, just a healthy debate
[17:37:06] markl: i thought analog hole was a porn star named Anna
[17:37:15] J-e-f-f-A: Think about it this way – the whole reason "Macrovision" was invented was to help secure analog outputs – granted that was back in the days of composite and s-video only outputs, but did you know that it's technically illegal for a US DVD player to have an RGB output?
[17:37:30] johnnyj: markl – i want full credit for NOT making that comment
[17:38:17] johnnyj: J-e-f-f-A: what about dvd players here on work visa?
[17:38:48] markl: personally i think "fair use" should apply to any method to make windows-only features work on linux
[17:38:56] J-e-f-f-A: I have an older ATSC/DVD combo unit that has a HD15 VGA output that is disabled during DVD playback because of that. ;-)
[17:38:57] markl: but the law may disagree
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[17:39:51] wagnerrp: so computers with DVD players are illegal?
[17:40:25] AndyCap: wagnerrp: I'm sure they disable the undesireable outputs. :)
[17:40:44] wagnerrp: fairly certain ive played a DVD over a vga monitor
[17:40:52] wagnerrp: even with commercial dvd software
[17:40:52] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Probably technically... ;-)
[17:41:32] skd5aner: the law has not even come close to catch up with technology, let alone understand it
[17:41:37] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: I think the industry basically 'gave up' on that avenue, and is now focusing on bluray...
[17:42:13] wagnerrp: im still pissed that my PS3 will not connect to DVI (sans HDCP) under any circumstances
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[17:42:44] wagnerrp: 'oh no! theyre going to make recordings of game play and distribute it'
[17:43:02] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: really? My son's connects to my 22" widescreen fine – but it's an older 40GB ps3 (the huge, heavy one)
[17:43:27] AndyCap: J-e-f-f-A: you probably have hdcp support then
[17:43:27] wagnerrp: then your 22" widescreen supports HDCP
[17:43:41] AndyCap: it's not exclusive to hdmi
[17:43:44] wagnerrp: monitors from the last couple years generally do
[17:44:00] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp, AndyCap Ah... ok. It's just a Samsung computer LCD, not a TV, but that's probably the case.
[17:44:06] wagnerrp: but a release unit way back in 2006... not a chance
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[17:45:11] johnnyj: i have a simple(ish) c++ pre compiler question about http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . er.cpp#L7336
[17:45:18] wagnerrp: our apples didnt support HDCP at all, our HPs only did so on one of the three inputs
[17:45:32] johnnyj: the statement is '#if 0' – doen't that alwasys mean false?
[17:45:40] wagnerrp: but they all looked awful, limited to 1280x800 when running only single-link
[17:45:42] iamlindoro: yes
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[17:46:24] johnnyj: iamlindoro – what's it supposed to accomplish then?
[17:46:43] iamlindoro: It means it's supposed to be off unless a dev needs to turn it on, generally for debugging
[17:46:54] iamlindoro: at which point said dev will change it to #if 1
[17:47:00] johnnyj: this was my assumption – thank you
[17:47:15] iamlindoro: The whole block is just debug, nothing functional
[17:47:28] iamlindoro: So likely off for performance reasons
[17:47:55] skd5aner: iamlindoro: btw, I wasn't necessarily disagring with your view earlier in regards to how content providers view analog, I can see it being a security issue to them, as they lose control over the content at that point... I understand why they see it that way, and it is indeed a "hole"
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[17:48:45] justinh: arghhh two days without mythtv!
[17:49:05] skd5aner: I guess, like many mythtv users, I don't want people to just assume that I use something call "mythtv" with a device which "exploits a hole"... you know?
[17:49:16] iamlindoro: skd5aner: My point is more that the wiki should discuss concepts in common, well-recognized terms. As I wrote the HD-PVR page and continue to police it, I would prefer it remain comprehensible and disagree with word changes to afurther a point while diminishing comprehension
[17:49:17] justinh: but, I managed to rescue my recorded table from the old machine, and I've got the recording file still :)
[17:49:23] skd5aner: that being said – sure – people could use it for evil
[17:49:26] justinh: s/file/files/
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[17:50:27] justinh: btw, *bad* ubuntu.. trying to run screen for the 1st time it wasn't having it.. no /var/run/screen dir so I had to make it myself!
[17:50:36] skd5aner: btw – I'm not trying to argue for my point or against yours... just chat, that's all
[17:50:50] iamlindoro: skd5aner: The average mildly technical user would recognize *why* the HD-PVR worked for its purpose because they will have a vague understanding of what an "analog hole" is... that same user will not understand why a component video output would be any better than the rest
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[17:51:10] justinh: so let's see if this new nx server works
[17:51:11] iamlindoro: Even if the user can't define "analog hole," they recognize it as a workaround for the draconian content protection methods of the industry
[17:51:23] iamlindoro: the change made it less comprehensible to the average user-- and that's what I don't like
[17:51:37] iamlindoro: So you might have made it more in line with your world view-- but made it less accessible as a result
[17:51:57] J-e-f-f-A: justinh: Ooh, NX.  ;-) I <3 NX ...
[17:52:12] justinh: btw am I likely to run into issues inserting the old recorded table into a new database?
[17:52:17] ** dustybin is going to buy a joggler **
[17:52:17] skd5aner: sorry I brought it up I guess :/
[17:52:26] justinh: from 0.21 to 0.23 :-)
[17:52:38] justinh: I guess I'll know pretty soon either way
[17:53:09] justinh: my 2 jogglers came today btw ... gonna get round to hacking them as soon as I get em into work
[17:53:35] J-e-f-f-A: jogglers?
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[17:53:47] iamlindoro: Ladies running without lingerie
[17:53:52] iamlindoro: jogglers
[17:53:56] justinh: the default software on em isn't so bad. £50 for a wireless & wired network 7" wide touchcreen photoframe with video playback & internet radio ain't bad
[17:54:05] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: hehehehe... that's what I was thinking!!!! Yikes!
[17:54:40] justinh: 1.3Ghz Atom CPU, 512MB RAM, usb.. onboard audio.. 7" wide touchscreen
[17:54:50] J-e-f-f-A: justinh: Hey, that's cool... do they do upnp?
[17:55:00] dustybin: justinh: im going to use mine as a advanced bedside alarm clock / mythtv frontend
[17:55:17] J-e-f-f-A: justinh: they would make one heck of a Myth 'status' LCD too... /me drools...
[17:55:21] justinh: I dunno if they do upnp or not. not played that much yet, but they'll boot linux off a USB stick
[17:55:33] justinh: out of the box I mean. no hackery required
[17:55:34] ** J-e-f-f-A drools some more. **
[17:55:47] dustybin: 1 for the bedroom, 1 for the kitcken, good idea :D
[17:55:47] justinh: when I say linux I mean like ubuntu netbook-ish
[17:55:48] J-e-f-f-A: justinh: got a link?
[17:56:10] dustybin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU
[17:56:54] justinh: J-e-f-f-A: http://shop.o2.co.uk/joggler
[17:57:28] justinh: the default UI also doesn't look like ass, which I was taken aback by
[17:58:21] J-e-f-f-A: Out of stock – DOH!!!!!
[17:59:10] dustybin: nice specs: http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Hardware
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[17:59:34] j-rod: J-e-f-f-A: it mostly works… needs some attention to stabilize it, possibly.
[17:59:35] justinh: no wonder. but even full price they're pretty good value for what you get
[18:01:12] J-e-f-f-A: justinh: With an Atom procesor, I'm guessing there's got to be Linux support for that intel chip to keep up with the video decoding...
[18:02:09] justinh: already plays SDTV just fine allegedly
[18:02:23] iamlindoro: Not in Myth there isn't
[18:02:26] justinh: people have got bbc iplayer stuff working on it
[18:02:40] justinh: and somebody has shown mythfrontend working on a joggler playing freeview recordings
[18:02:40] iamlindoro: There's no support for Intel hardware accel (outside of XvMC) at all
[18:02:46] iamlindoro: But yeah, probably does fine with SD
[18:03:00] justinh: with a screen that big HD would have little point anyway
[18:03:07] wagnerrp: justinh: all except for that plastic heatsink, right?
[18:03:16] justinh: heh yeah
[18:03:19] J-e-f-f-A: justinh: Yeah, dustybin pasted a youtube link – that's what I was watching.
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[18:03:42] justinh: right. now what did I do with the original /var/lib/mysql dir.. hmm
[18:04:38] AndyCap: J-e-f-f-A: poulsbo drivers have va-api support though.
[18:05:09] iamlindoro: Now all we need is a VA-API implementation for Myth ;)
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[18:07:00] wagnerrp: !seen Beirdo
[18:07:00] MythLogBot: Beirdo is here and has been idle for 9 hours 33 minutes 22 seconds
[18:09:09] justinh: ah nuts. messed up copying the old db files into /var/lib/mysql & now I can't make a new database
[18:09:31] justinh: what I *should* have done was rename the directory from mythconverg, *then* run the server in safe mode
[18:09:38] justinh: derrr
[18:09:47] justinh: so, how do I fix this... hmm
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[18:11:02] trumee: justinh, mythtv is crashing on the joggler :(
[18:11:19] trumee: Recordings work fine but livetv crashes sometimes
[18:11:29] sphery: justinh: or you could have done a SQL-based backup :) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
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[18:12:44] justinh: trumee: can you spell boo hoo? I didn't buy my jogglers with unrealistic expectations. with only 512MB ram & no swap, you're prolly getting OOM
[18:12:48] trumee: why do i get vdpau errors in joggler http://pastebin.com/LP3ZNrPB
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[18:13:16] justinh: just FYI guys – joggler is NOT a supported platform for mythtv frontends :P
[18:13:30] trumee: justinh: it seems somehow myth is looking for vdpau in joggler. how do i disable that?
[18:13:45] wagnerrp: stop using ubuntu built against vdpau?
[18:13:46] justinh: sphery: true, but the db was properly hosed. missing tables all over the place
[18:13:49] trumee: justinh: but intel atom is a support frontend :)
[18:13:49] iamlindoro: Don't compile with VDPAU support, don't use a plyaback profile with VDPAU
[18:14:01] trumee: iamlindoro: i am using slim profile.
[18:14:14] iamlindoro: See advice A)
[18:14:14] justinh: sphery: if it was a simple "change hostname, import everything" operation I'd be all done already
[18:14:24] iamlindoro: and your pastebin is invalid
[18:14:28] trumee: iamlindoro: also the binary is supplied by ubuntu.
[18:14:33] justinh: sphery: unless your scripts can fix missing tables ;)
[18:14:38] sphery: well, the full restore and partial import is good for the corrupt DB schemas case
[18:14:43] iamlindoro: You're a hacker putting stuff on a tiny POS device, compile it yourself
[18:14:49] sphery: er, full backup/partial restore
[18:15:12] justinh: yeah? I've still got the original /var/lib/mysql directory
[18:15:33] justinh: I couldn't do a full export though.. was complaining about the missing stuff
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[18:15:46] justinh: I only care about the recorded table anyway really
[18:16:12] sphery: well, if mysqldump didn't work, you'd have been hard pressed to get things working
[18:16:14] trumee: iamlindoro: seems pastebin.com has a problem, here is the log http://pastebin.org/249245
[18:16:27] justinh: mysqldump worked on the recorded & programs table
[18:16:28] sphery: so it must have had missing/corrupt MySQL binary data files
[18:16:41] justinh: channel was missing, oldrecorded missing, oldprogram missing..
[18:17:07] iamlindoro: a) you somehow have managed not to install all the runtime deps for your package, b) whether you believe it or not you have VDPAU in your playback profile
[18:17:30] trumee: iamlindoro: is that a backend problem or a frontend one?
[18:17:39] iamlindoro: frontend
[18:18:18] trumee: iamlindoro: it is strange why i have vdpau. Does slim profile use vdpau?
[18:18:34] iamlindoro: The real, unedited one does not
[18:18:53] iamlindoro: You have a broken package install and misconfigured playback profiles
[18:18:55] trumee: iamlindoro: i did not edit it at all
[18:18:56] iamlindoro: you need to fix both
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[18:19:10] sphery: trumee: and VDPAU Slim != Slim
[18:19:14] trumee: iamlindoro: ok, i will re-install mythtv again
[18:19:33] iamlindoro: Not sure how reinstalling would help
[18:19:43] iamlindoro: You need to fix your package management issue, and your configuration issue
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[18:19:57] iamlindoro: neither is likely to be fixed by trying to reinstall the mythtv package
[18:20:21] trumee: sphery: i am using slim and not VDPAU slim
[18:20:39] trumee: iamlindoro: what do you mean by package management issue?
[18:20:57] iamlindoro: The one where you have ended up without all the libraries your package was compiled against installed
[18:21:22] iamlindoro: the ubuntu packages are compiled with vdpau support-- you do not need a vdpau capable card to have the support installed, just the vdpau libraries
[18:21:31] trumee: iamlindoro: i am pulling binaries from http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[18:21:40] iamlindoro: ok...
[18:21:54] iamlindoro: You should probably talk to them then
[18:22:11] trumee: iamlindoro: any idea what the vdpau libraries are on ubuntu?
[18:22:15] iamlindoro: or, since you're the pro-hacker-man putting things on unsupported hardware, you could just compile it yourself ;)
[18:22:20] iamlindoro: nope, ask ubuntu
[18:22:20] sphery: trumee: note, also that installing the nvidia drivers from nvidia installer likes to uninstall libvdpau (the open/not-nvidia-proprietary one) that is supposed to be a wrapper for the nvidia's vdpau
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[18:22:33] justinh: arghh mysql can't create or drop databases now
[18:22:38] sphery: i.e. if you installed myth, then installed nvidia's drivers from their installer...
[18:22:53] ** iamlindoro hopes that he didn't do that on his intel-IGP joggler **
[18:24:36] ** dustybin jogs on **
[18:25:49] trumee: i think i will compile my own mythtv on joggler without vdpau
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[18:26:10] iamlindoro: I knew my jedi mind trick would work if I tried hard enough
[18:26:23] skd5aner: Azelphur is the guy who put mythtv on his joggler, he used a derivative of ubuntu and built myth himself
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[18:26:28] iamlindoro: There aren't the packages you're looking for
[18:26:30] iamlindoro: move along
[18:27:05] trumee: skd5aner, Azelphur did not build mythtv himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU
[18:27:24] trumee: skd5aner: comments shows he use autobuilds like i am using
[18:28:14] justinh: gah. why the heck can't this user admin util list all the users? it says 'mythtv' already exists, but it doesn't show in the list
[18:28:53] skd5aner: trumee: where do you get that he's using the autobuilds in that video?
[18:29:17] skd5aner: are you using the ubuntu netbook remix fork?
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[18:29:25] trumee: skd5aner: in youtube comments he wrote that
[18:29:40] dustybin: vanilla slackware will be going on my joggler :D
[18:29:42] justinh: heheh no. just standard 10.04
[18:29:56] trumee: skd5aner: i am using dysentrys ubuntu netbook
[18:30:06] trumee: skd5aner: same as Azelphur
[18:30:21] AndyCap: justinh: because the util has training wheels?
[18:30:22] justinh: this is stupid. user mythtv is in /etc/groups, has a home dir & stuff but doesn't show in the list in that app
[18:30:24] dustybin: what a lovely site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danlane/4505754554/
[18:30:26] skd5aner: trumee: ok, I see his comment now
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[18:31:12] skd5aner: trumee: in that case, good luck
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[18:31:15] justinh: yeah but training wheels or no, ADMIN == ADMIN == ADMIN
[18:31:38] AndyCap: justinh: is it hiding uid's below 500 or some other flaw?
[18:32:12] trumee: skd5aner: ideally i want gentoo running on it to minimise cruft. just want a mythtv frontend, nothing else. but guess it will be decent work to get gentoo working.
[18:33:01] justinh: maybe. how could I find out?
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[18:33:48] justinh: ahh. mythtv is 119. I'm 1000
[18:34:01] justinh: it shows root though
[18:34:31] AndyCap: justinh: how about bin, wheel, etc?
[18:34:44] justinh: simply not shown
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[18:35:13] justinh: ahh there we are. /etc/passwd. now I remember :)
[18:35:23] skd5aner: haha
[18:35:44] justinh: bloomin stupid admin util. That is NOT admin
[18:36:09] justinh: muh, we more friendlier now. I can haz mac-like stupid buttons on window edges
[18:36:20] AndyCap: justinh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/74984
[18:36:37] justinh: this is simply unacceptable on a released distro
[18:37:09] justinh: anyway, time for walkies, then I can sort this out
[18:38:03] wagnerrp: we apologize for our admin utility being too dumbed down for you
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[18:38:19] wagnerrp: please proceed to beat your head against the desk until it is at an acceptable level for your capability
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[18:45:47] AndyCap: wagnerrp: or if a desk is unavailable http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a38_1274128765
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[19:09:52] sphery: the link posted on -users list, http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/tranquil-p . . . -back-htpcs/ is a lie
[19:10:06] sphery: "high-end" and Atom
[19:10:16] sphery: I'd call it "expensive" but not "high-end"
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[19:11:41] muns: how would i make this hvr-1600 dvb capture card settings scan us-cable cuz in the capture card section in backend shows samsung ???? then subtype: ATCS and thats what its scanning even if i am doin qam-64 with cable
[19:12:18] AndyCap: sphery: atech fabrication case?
[19:12:38] wagnerrp: i didnt believe in myself, i didnt visualize the board breaking
[19:12:58] wagnerrp: he seems to be enjoying himself there
[19:13:09] AndyCap: induhviduals usually do
[19:13:29] wagnerrp: what have we learned? you cant break thin pieces of wood, they just bend
[19:13:35] iamlindoro: muns: You are misinterpreting-- subtype and cipset are not relevant to you
[19:13:38] iamlindoro: er shipset
[19:13:39] iamlindoro: chipset
[19:13:53] iamlindoro: In fact, the user probably shouldn't even see those values, as they try to interpret them
[19:14:43] iamlindoro: If you are selecting US-Cable and QAM as your frequency tables and modulation, then that's what's being scanned
[19:14:54] markl: does cablecard work with the satellite providers?
[19:15:02] markl: (should be obvious from the name, but just checking)
[19:15:02] skd5aner: I would try QAM-256, that seems to be more common
[19:15:18] sphery: markl: nope... Hauppauge HD-PVR does
[19:15:35] sphery: (plus all the SDTV analog capture cards)
[19:17:53] johnnyj: sphery – you were right – it's showing the pause frame
[19:17:57] skd5aner: markl: besides, what are you trying to use cablecard with? it obviously won't work with mythtv or any devices that mythtv supports (besides what sphery mentioned)
[19:18:00] wagnerrp: http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T7-MP2_rear.jpg looks remarkably similar to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500036
[19:18:01] muns: well it seems it is doing nuttin but scanning atsc
[19:18:12] iamlindoro: muns: What are you basing that on?
[19:18:24] iamlindoro: There's no such thing as "scanning ATSC"
[19:18:27] muns: me removing the cable and the tv still playing somewhat
[19:18:44] muns: ok lemme rephrase... OTA
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[19:19:02] skd5aner: muns: why would you scan AFTER removing the cable? do you have an antenna plugged in?
[19:19:03] johnnyj: sphery – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . er.cpp#L2996
[19:19:07] markl: skd5aner: mainly just curious; on the off chance that the new hdhr works
[19:19:28] skd5aner: the hdhr-cc or whatever they're calling it?
[19:19:40] muns: nope i removed cable after scans..watching tv is all choppy then i'm back to workin on analog and removed cable to put on analog side and show was still goin somewhat
[19:19:51] skd5aner: markl: I don't know anything about it, just saw 1 line about it out of context the other day
[19:20:14] wagnerrp: sphery: so on newegg, board, memory, hard drive, similar case, and remote is... ~$350
[19:20:17] skd5aner: muns: not sure I follow, your info is too disjointed
[19:20:19] sphery: johnnyj: glad you're making progress (but you're deep enough in that I don't know the code) :)
[19:20:21] wagnerrp: theyre selling it for 480lbs
[19:21:16] muns: kk after i scan qam-64 i get somewhat bunch of channels, not all on the list but i can view a few of them and most say partial lock, well to test another theory i take cable out and put on analog side and redo the analog portion and the tv still playin
[19:21:23] skd5aner: when you add the card, did you add it as a DVB card or a V4L card? And when you are scanning, did you tell it "Cable All" and QAM-256 with the cable pluggd in?
[19:21:42] skd5aner: muns: try qam-256
[19:21:52] muns: 256 doesn't give more channels
[19:22:04] muns: 64 gave bunch more but ya i'll go back to 256..lol i've tried em all
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[19:22:13] muns: and "try-all" u mean
[19:22:24] skd5aner: well, most are probably 5c, so you can only get the ones that are unencrypted
[19:22:26] muns: cuz i've tried cable, cable irc, cable hrc
[19:22:38] skd5aner: for me, that's only like ~20 stations
[19:22:51] skd5aner: out of the hundreds that my STB can pick up
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[19:23:02] BlueSherpa: anyone here happen to have the Hauppauge 2250 card working with MythTV?
[19:23:04] skd5aner: basically, if you can get it over the air, it should be unencrypted
[19:23:06] muns: so i can't get 2–68,79,83–85,97
[19:23:13] BlueSherpa: anyone know how to fix the mythtv mysql auth error? I can manually log in using the mythtv account, so I'm guessing the password needs to be stored somewhere for mythtv to use itself – running the dkpg reconfigure didn't work
[19:23:16] muns: like this tv gets when cable is plugged in
[19:23:34] skd5aner: muns: I wouldn't expect to get more than a handful of channels via qam over your cable connection
[19:23:54] skd5aner: muns: anything beyond the broadcast networks, and you're very lucky
[19:23:54] muns: aaah ;( so my thinkin is return this card haha
[19:24:01] ** stuarta rebuilds 3 different versions for fun **
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[19:24:24] BlueSherpa: what's the best tuner card to use with MythTV?
[19:24:31] BlueSherpa: under linux
[19:24:49] muns: ya i didn't understand i thought since tv tuner card it'll allow me to watch what i get from digital cable
[19:24:53] wagnerrp: we cant possibly answer that without knowing what it is you want to tune
[19:24:59] skd5aner: if you want every cable channel your STB can get, the only options are the HD-PVR (for HD via component) or using analog inputs from an analog card (s-video/composite) – hooked to your cable STB
[19:25:15] BlueSherpa: wagnerrp: for me?
[19:25:20] muns: hmm
[19:25:32] stuarta: BlueSherpa: yes, what are you trying to tune?
[19:25:34] BlueSherpa: I'm after over the air HDTV
[19:25:51] muns: so i'd have to get a STB which an extra 7 bucks a month for 2–97 pretty much ;(
[19:26:04] Redhammer_the_Ol: Hi I have two problems / questions: a) my box does not shutdown anymore, the mythwelcome log shows that whenever my idle wait is over it "receives" a schedule event and starts counting down again, anybody know of a fix and b) can I remotedly control the playlist in mythmusic, ie I have a laptop/web device and tell the backend (that is attached to my amp) to play certain songs ? thanks
[19:26:32] muns: ok maybe this FTA viewsat box will help me some cuz i do see a cable and a sat portion on back
[19:26:34] skd5aner: muns: depends – 70%+ of my recordings take place on the networks... so, even though I can only tune <10% of all the cable channels I get via QAM, it's definitely worth having QAM tuners
[19:26:40] BlueSherpa: I picked up the Hauppauge 2250 this weekend and I installed the updated linux drivers for the digital only, but it's still not being recognized in MythTV setup
[19:26:48] skd5aner: muns: for the other 30%, I use my HD-PVR hooked up to the STB
[19:26:48] BlueSherpa: wondering if I just need to get another / better card
[19:27:09] skd5aner: muns: well, hang on a second...
[19:27:27] skd5aner: muns: like wagnerrp said, this is like putting together a puzzle without knowing all the pieces...
[19:27:32] wagnerrp: the 2250 works just fine for ATSC
[19:27:34] muns: ya
[19:27:38] ** BlueSherpa is a total MythTV newbie, but very excited about exploring. **
[19:27:45] wagnerrp: and drivers for it should be in the kernel by now
[19:27:55] wagnerrp: however mythtv wont pick up the card until linux does
[19:28:07] skd5aner: muns: you can tune all the analog channels (2–97) with an analog (or hybrid tuner) if your cable providers still broadcasts in analog
[19:28:08] wagnerrp: do you have a pair of /dev/dvb/adapter<n> folders?
[19:28:18] markl: BlueSherpa: it is a lot of fun
[19:28:21] muns: ya i've already tried to pick up analog and not working
[19:28:26] markl: if you like to tinker
[19:28:33] BlueSherpa: lspci reports: 03:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7164 (rev 81)
[19:28:37] skd5aner: muns: where do you live?
[19:28:41] skd5aner: US?
[19:28:43] muns: using the ivtv capture settings i then do video source from SD then fetch channels and nada
[19:28:47] muns: US
[19:29:01] skd5aner: So, you fetch the channels, and they fetched successfully?
[19:29:05] muns: yup
[19:29:08] BlueSherpa: but when I went into mythtv-setup, it didn't find the card
[19:29:11] muns: i see all the channels in the channel editor
[19:29:27] skd5aner: muns: you should never have to scan analog channels in the US, after the fetch, you can't tune to them?
[19:29:59] BlueSherpa: reinstalled the OS and mythtv, trying to see if I screwed something up along the way, but now I get an error about mythtv not being able to access the mysql database
[19:30:00] muns: skd5aner, all i know is after fetch i close out backend setup then i goto my apps and load up frontend and watch tv...all snow
[19:30:25] skd5aner: muns: I'm assuming you've read through this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600
[19:30:26] BlueSherpa: markl: I love to tinker – computers rock
[19:30:30] muns: now someone did say somethin bout "tuning the card" but dunno
[19:30:42] muns: skd5aner, yup thats the one i followed
[19:30:52] muns: cept the tune.sh script
[19:31:02] BlueSherpa: anyone ever try to get myth tv to work on ESXI?
[19:31:03] muns: and compiling kernel
[19:32:03] BlueSherpa: wagnerrp: are you runnning mythtv under linux?
[19:32:13] wagnerrp: what else would i be using it under?
[19:32:28] BlueSherpa: I saw binaries for other operating systems like OSX
[19:32:37] BlueSherpa: which distro are you using?
[19:32:44] wagnerrp: gentoo
[19:32:48] muns: [ 15.536306] cx18–0: tveeprom cannot autodetect tuner!
[19:32:48] muns: [ 15.536857] cx18–0: Simultaneous Digital and Analog TV capture supported
[19:32:53] wagnerrp: you can compile/run mythtv under a number of other operating systems
[19:32:57] muns: tveeprom?
[19:33:02] wagnerrp: but for the most part, if you want tuner card support, you need to run linux
[19:33:24] BlueSherpa: do you think Gentoo was the easiest? I'm trying Ubuntu right now, but I was reading that Fedora is a little easier – tho I wouldn't know for sure
[19:33:26] skd5aner: muns: I don't have a hybrid card, so I can't speak to all the details... but I don't think you need to do that
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[19:33:36] muns: ya done the firmware
[19:33:40] muns: rebooted
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[19:33:56] dustybin: do any of you guys use a frontend as a alarm clock?
[19:34:03] muns: and done what the "Configure MythTV to use both "halves" of the card "
[19:34:49] skd5aner: muns: basically, you need to create 2 tuners, one is the IVTV one (analog)
[19:34:55] wagnerrp: BlueSherpa: i came from freebsd, which has a similar package manager to gentoo
[19:35:01] wagnerrp: so it was the easiest for me to learn
[19:35:04] skd5aner: muns: then the DVB one (digital)
[19:35:05] BlueSherpa: makes sense
[19:35:26] skd5aner: muns: the ivtv one, in the video sources, should have tuner 1 assigned to your analog SD source
[19:35:28] muns: skd5aner, well i have 1 cable into card right now which is on the digital side but i've tested both sides
[19:35:37] muns: yup yup
[19:35:41] skd5aner: who is your cable provider?
[19:37:04] skd5aner: You card should have 2 inputs...
[19:37:08] muns: allegiance.tv
[19:37:12] muns: ya has 2
[19:37:27] muns: but when i tried analog side first it was nada but fuzz
[19:37:29] skd5aner: muns: obviously, you have to have your cable plugged into both, you can split it
[19:37:39] muns: so i tried digital and ya only get handfull of chans and only few watchable
[19:37:56] skd5aner: can you plug your cable into a standard ol' TV (NTSC) and tune 2–99 without problems?
[19:38:02] muns: yup
[19:38:13] muns: looks good on this 32 lcd flatscreen
[19:39:44] BlueSherpa: anyone know the fix for QMYSQL: Unable to connect, Database error was: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES
[19:39:47] dustybin: fantastic http://benlancaster.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/mythtv-alarm-clock/
[19:40:03] muns: i even went out to buy a inhome amp to boost signal if needed but signal is just fine to tv but not saying so much as on the card, and even when i scanned any qam it doesn't seem like its getting it from cable for some reason cuz i unplugged the cable while watching to test other side and still was going and if it was scanned via cable then it'd stop
[19:40:41] markl: ah there is an #hdhomerun channel apparently
[19:41:18] skd5aner: muns: without direct experience with that card, all I can say is that the process outlined in that wiki (as far as adding cards) appear to be accurate
[19:43:41] skd5aner: muns: with that card, you should be able to tune all analog and all QAM
[19:44:27] muns: hmmm
[19:45:03] dustybin: what would be the easiest way to add some internet radio stations to mythtv? i used to use mythstream but that dont work anymore
[19:45:20] dustybin: maybe mythweb can bookmark and play?
[19:45:57] ** sphery tries to figure out how to mark a table as crashed in MySQL **
[19:46:23] stuarta: crash it?
[19:46:55] stuarta: try opening a table and kill -9 mysql
[19:47:16] stuarta: can be a bit challenging
[19:47:29] justinh: yay I fixed mysql & I can now create/admin/drop databases
[19:47:35] sphery: heh, was hoping for an easier approach since I'll likely have to do it many different times to test the code I'm working on
[19:48:00] justinh: last time I go messing with mysql's internal file structure ;-)
[19:48:02] stuarta: intentionally corrupting your DB isn't easy
[19:48:26] sphery: :(
[19:49:12] justinh: it wasn't intentional – well corrupting it wasn't
[19:49:24] skd5aner: sphery: http://ronaldbradford.com/blog/how-to-crash-m . . . -2010-03-05/
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[19:49:36] justinh: I grabbed my old backend's /var/lib/mysql & copied it into /var/lib on my new box
[19:49:44] muns: skd5aner, yup yup tried and tried lol i'll keep tryin since payed 20 already to SD lol my week was up ;(
[19:49:53] justinh: just to see if I could get the recorded table back :)
[19:50:35] sphery: skd5aner: heh, cool... I just need to mark a single table as crashed, though
[19:50:37] justinh: so. last db backup was in april & I put it.. where.. hmmm
[19:50:58] skd5aner: sphery: yea, I thought so – looking
[19:53:34] sphery: I don't get why so many people want to know how to fix crashed tables and how so few need to know hot to crash them... Seems everyone else knows something I don't.
[19:54:13] sphery: [mythtv-users] Mirobridge _NO_TITLE_ error
[19:54:17] sphery: wasn't that just fixed?
[19:54:48] RDV_Linux: sphery: Pastebin please
[19:55:04] ** stuarta chuckles **
[19:55:11] sphery: RDV_Linux: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/289216.html
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[19:56:18] RDV_Linux: sphery: Yes this was fixed just recently.
[19:56:25] wagnerrp: is that 8-bit mythtv?
[19:57:08] justinh: righto. old db imported. next up, merge the recovered recorded table
[19:57:09] mcl0vin: guys i am trying to get my HVR-1600 remote to work for days now and i getting no were!
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[19:57:53] mcl0vin: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/405291 <--- i followed this tut and much more trying to get it to work , but now luck
[19:59:13] mcl0vin: can someone please help me ....since Lirc_pvr150 was depreciated out in Ubuntu 9.10 , i followed this tut http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/405291 , after i am done i tried to stop and restart it but i still get 'fail"
[19:59:44] sphery: RDV_Linux: thanks. I sent him a reply to that effect.
[20:01:40] RDV_Linux: sphery: Thanks, He will need to get the daily builds set up because I am sure that was fixes in 0.23+fixes after Mythbuntu took their 0.23 source.
[20:02:52] justinh: nuts. I forgot to change the hostname in the backup
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[20:04:26] stuarta: dammit, i need more cpu!
[20:04:34] Redhammer_the_Ol: hi anyone got the same shutdown issues as me with mythwelcome ?
[20:05:05] stuarta: my crystal ball is broken. what shutdown issues?
[20:05:45] skd5aner: I have a magic 8 ball if that would suffice as a replacement
[20:06:00] stuarta: give it a whirl
[20:06:07] skd5aner: ask it a question...
[20:06:13] wagnerrp: skd5aner: all signs point to no
[20:06:21] stuarta: is is broken?
[20:06:31] stuarta: is it
[20:06:58] skd5aner: Ask again later
[20:07:08] stuarta: does shutdown work?
[20:07:26] bjd: "it is decidedly so"
[20:07:29] skd5aner: Absolutely
[20:07:38] stuarta: excellent, problem solved
[20:07:42] stuarta: \o/
[20:07:49] skd5aner: heh :D
[20:08:05] bjd: you should get that crystal ball sorted tho
[20:09:12] skd5aner: please submit a bug report, after running crystal ball with -v smokeandmagic, mindreading
[20:09:19] wagnerrp: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/8/13/
[20:09:23] ** stuarta throws crystal ball out the window **
[20:09:40] Redhammer_the_Ol: sorry stuart
[20:09:41] Redhammer_the_Ol: back
[20:09:48] Redhammer_the_Ol: was just on the phone
[20:09:56] bjd: oh, you missed all that :(
[20:10:08] ** stuarta suggests reading up **
[20:10:09] Redhammer_the_Ol: actually I can read the page
[20:10:17] sphery: justinh: you change the hostname in the running database after the import (but before actually running any mythtv apps on the new-hostname host)
[20:10:18] Redhammer_the_Ol: have read and am apologising
[20:10:26] stuarta: :)
[20:10:28] Redhammer_the_Ol: sorry about that,
[20:10:28] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend
[20:10:33] sphery: justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend
[20:10:34] stuarta: it was quite entertaining
[20:10:42] stuarta: solving problems using magic 8 ball
[20:10:55] justinh: sphery: yeah I checked the log & found the link you posted :)
[20:11:06] sphery: heh, cool
[20:11:15] Redhammer_the_Ol: anyhow what I had asked earlier was if anyone else has the follwong problem, mythwelcome keeps on getting schedule events at the end of the countdown and starts counting down again
[20:11:18] justinh: changed hostnames, running mythtv-setup now :)
[20:11:18] skd5aner: heh – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball#Standard_answers
[20:11:20] Redhammer_the_Ol: ie does not shut down
[20:11:25] ** Redhammer_the_Ol rolls 6d72: (47 14 4 56 16 6) = 143 **
[20:11:26] justinh: I never wanna have to do this ever again
[20:11:45] stuarta: justinh: where's the fun in that?
[20:11:51] skd5aner: justinh: yay for learning your lesson ;)
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[20:11:56] justinh: 2 days without mythtv?! :-O
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[20:12:22] justinh: still got the frontend to sort out when the backend's fixed
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[20:12:41] skd5aner: justinh: not that my backup scheme is great now – got a HD out in my local mirror, and my network backup is down! :-O
[20:13:20] stuarta: bah, the best i can manage is replicating my dev mysql db to my prod backend
[20:13:26] justinh: if my bloomin UPS monitoring setup worked.. and my db backup script worked..
[20:13:30] sphery: stuarta: trying the "randomly insert a zero in the binary data file" approach to see if I can confuse mysqld... First test was seemingly in the data of the table: | MythFillDB | 1979-12–79 54:72:97 |
[20:13:32] ** stuarta really should backup prod database **
[20:13:46] justinh: mind you, judging by the noise the old HDD is making, it was on its way to borksville anyhow
[20:14:11] justinh: so. before I go any further I need to mount the old HDDs to the right points
[20:14:28] sphery: What was I doing at 54:72:97 on Dec 79, 1979? Oh yeah, I ran a mythfilldatabase.
[20:14:31] skd5aner: you going to mess around with UUIDs?
[20:14:52] justinh: skd5aner: like I have a choice
[20:15:12] skd5aner: heh, well... you can always do it the old way, if you really want
[20:15:28] skd5aner: but... more heartache than it's worth going against the wishes of ubuntu
[20:15:36] sphery: stuarta: that works: dd conv=notrunc bs=1 count=1 if=/dev/zero of=/srv/mysql/mythconverg/housekeeping.MYD (with seek=0)
[20:15:49] skd5aner: justinh: I don't mind the UUID approach though
[20:16:03] skd5aner: caused some headaches for me a few years ago, but pretty painless now
[20:16:09] stuarta: sphery: doing a backup is almost the reverse of that
[20:16:13] sphery: wow, I lost some data, though
[20:17:04] sphery: | mythconverg.housekeeping | repair | warning | Number of rows changed from 5 to 4 |
[20:17:39] sphery: heh, I lose a row each time...
[20:17:44] justinh: skd5aner: I don't mind it either
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[20:18:03] justinh: ok then.. fstab entries for xfs.. sensible ones... or do they have to be the same as the old ones?
[20:18:16] justinh: I can get the old ones, but $deity only knows if they were sensible
[20:19:21] lucas_: so, my PVR-1600 just arrived
[20:19:26] skd5aner: justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Perform . . . pecific_Tips
[20:19:33] lucas_: ... now what?
[20:19:38] sphery: woah, either I just lost the last 2 rows with the same action that was losing a single row at a time before, or doing a mysqldump and hitting a crashed table truncates the table...
[20:20:08] skd5aner: justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XFS_Filesystem
[20:20:10] justinh: skd5aner: cheers :)
[20:20:20] BlueSherpa: do I have to have a remote connected to the MythTV frontend?
[20:20:27] skd5aner: can't speak to if those are "best" :)
[20:20:37] BlueSherpa: I choose Watch TV and it gives me a solid green screen
[20:21:06] skd5aner: might look at this one too: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XFS_Filesystem#Avo . . . agmentation, specifically the one one below it "high performance"
[20:21:07] skd5aner: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XFS_Filesystem#Avo . . . ragmentation
[20:21:49] sphery: woah, the future is fragmenting?
[20:22:01] sphery: Is this because Frye broke the first rule of time travel?
[20:22:11] iamlindoro: Crunchy, crunchy future
[20:22:24] wagnerrp: hehehe... they made a 'soviet russia' joke in the big bang theory
[20:22:47] skd5aner: sphery: according to any given show I've seen lately, Fringe, FlashForward, etc... then, the answer is "probably"
[20:22:55] wagnerrp: 'you dont screw the roommate agreement, the roommate agreement screws you'
[20:23:01] lucas_: in soviet russia all the network sitcoms have jokes that are five years -ahead- of the curve
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[20:27:06] sphery: skd5aner: heh, yeah.
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[20:30:17] sphery: ok, this time mysqldump didn't run because the table was marked as crashed
[20:30:57] sphery: so must have been a systemic issue in my test that caused the prior weirdness
[20:31:21] justinh: whee. got me recordings back :)
[20:31:25] justinh: phew!
[20:31:41] justinh: now to install & configure plugins, rebuild the frontend
[20:32:21] justinh: still, only the 2nd time in 5 years I've needed to do this. wonder how many Sky+ users can say they got their crashed system's recordings back
[20:32:37] justinh: a mate of mine is now on his 6th Sky+ box
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[20:38:35] justinh: okay. mythweb is worky now
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[20:42:27] justinh: I guess this means I'll have to finish 'concept' now
[20:42:39] justinh: we'll make do with something else til then :)
[20:43:06] justinh: SGs can come later too. I CBA right now. teevees is more important
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[20:45:28] wagnerrp: cba?
[20:45:55] AndyCap: can't be ar*'*
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[21:03:31] justinh: arrrr ;)
[21:04:03] lucas_: so, what in the hell is mysql used for
[21:04:12] justinh: everything!
[21:04:15] stuarta: making breakfast
[21:04:27] ** stuarta wonders what was put in the water today **
[21:04:42] lucas_: this setup is a lot more involved than I thought it'd be
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[21:05:38] bjd: the database holds all your configs, recording details, channel info, episodes info etc etc etc etc
[21:05:41] bjd: in short, everything
[21:06:11] Beirdo: wagnerrp: yessir?
[21:08:19] lucas_: just seems weird, I've gone out of my way to avoid using databases for things that really probably should use databases
[21:08:29] lucas_: and here I am setting it up for ... a Media Center clone?
[21:08:45] Beirdo: !trout lucas_
[21:08:45] ** MythLogBot slaps lucas_ with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[21:09:04] bjd: well, if you think it's a clone why don't you use media center? :)
[21:09:36] lucas_: no driver support in VirtualBox
[21:09:52] lucas_: besides, I just bought this tuner specifically for Linux
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[21:10:29] lucas_: I guess this means that any other device on the network could access this database and play TV / media
[21:10:40] lucas_: has MythTV been ported to any game consoles?
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[21:12:11] iamlindoro: You can run Myth on any commodity hardware running Linux... so if you can run linux on your game system and it's commodity hardware, then the answer is "yes"
[21:12:27] ** Beirdo indicates google as a potentially good way to answer that **
[21:12:52] lucas_: google's a great way to waste two hours sifting through obsolete mailing list posts and what can laughably called 'documentation'
[21:13:40] Beirdo: you are burning bridges pretty fast, dude
[21:13:55] Beirdo: have you READ MythTV's documentation?
[21:14:07] justinh: oh wow. xmltv no worky in this distro :-\
[21:14:21] ** Beirdo hands justinh a trout **
[21:14:37] ** justinh grabs a nightly snapshot from xmltv.org instead **
[21:15:28] lucas_: reading through it now. the MySQL page just says 'here's the commands to install the script to MySQL, run it, don't question what it's for'
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[21:18:48] Wicked: if i originally ran mythtv-setup from the same computer as the backend...can i rerun mythtv-setup from a remote frontend without issue?
[21:20:12] justinh: the script to mysql?
[21:20:19] justinh: where is this written?
[21:20:31] justinh: the mc.sql isn't a script as such. it's just an sql file
[21:21:07] Wicked: ill just remote into the original backend and do it from there
[21:21:48] lucas_: a series of SQL commands used to create a database. also known by some as a script
[21:22:06] justinh: lucas_: you're much better off following something specific for the distro you use if there's one
[21:22:21] justinh: some distros do some whacked out stuff which the official docs can't account for
[21:22:25] justinh: nor would they want to
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[21:22:59] lucas_: I am
[21:24:06] iamlindoro: janneg: Heh, only correct on a flat earth
[21:24:18] iamlindoro: janneg: So should he just set his system clock to < 1-1–1492 then?
[21:26:53] justinh: arghh. XMLTV requires a Date::Manip timezone of +0000 to work properly
[21:27:02] justinh: call this a blimmin distro do you canonical? :-O
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[21:32:53] Wicked: whats a good signal strength for hdhr?
[21:33:19] Wicked: would 80–100% be good?
[21:35:21] justinh: arghh. xmltv fails to build on 10.04
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[21:41:35] justinh: yay. debian packages to the rescue
[21:43:42] Wicked: crap mythtv just segfaulted when scanning for channels on my hdhr :|
[21:44:25] Wicked: when doing a scan on qam128
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[21:54:03] sphery: So, just in case Bill of the Foxconn NT330i ( http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/289223.html ) is around, complaining that no one has replied to your plea for help to the same bunch of people who volunteer their free time to write responses for the sole reward of helping others out is not likely to elicit further response. It's actually most likely to do the opposite.
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[21:55:22] lucas_: sound kind of mad about some mailing list post
[21:55:38] sphery: me or the mailing list post I linked?
[21:56:34] sphery: he shouldn't be upset about any mailing list posts since he's the only one who participated in his thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/434945#434945
[21:57:26] sphery: As for me, I'm not upset about a mailing list post, but about some people's sense of entitlement (an undeserved sense, in that)
[21:59:29] sphery: I do understand that it can be a challenge to set things up, but failing to get MythTV set up is not the community's fault, nor is it MythTV's fault. The mere fact that a large number of us in here have MythTV set up indicates that it can be done with proper motivation, determination, and effort.
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[22:01:49] justinh: right. backend is about up to snuff again :)
[22:02:00] justinh: installing mythbuntu on the frontend, just to get us going
[22:03:04] justinh: that was one heck of a close call – not that I couldn't have got along without existing recordings but.. increases the WAF :)
[22:03:13] lucas_: if anything it's the fault of those assholes on Slashdot that keep saying stuff like YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
[22:03:29] justinh: yeah well that's slashdot for yer
[22:03:35] lucas_: and then retreat to 'well, if anything breaks, it's your fault, by the way there's no hardware support at all' when support questions roll in
[22:03:44] Beirdo: lucas_: language...
[22:03:59] Beirdo: although I do agree :)
[22:04:26] justinh: <sneer>well everything I use just works (tm) in Linux :D </sneer>
[22:04:27] lucas_: this doesn't seem all that hard to set up, just intimidating
[22:04:32] lucas_: Just Works(tm)
[22:04:35] lucas_: oh god if I hear that again
[22:05:07] justinh: 5 years ago when I first tried install mythtv I was an utter noob. and there I was pondering how to go about patching the kernel
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[22:05:50] justinh: look at it this way.. if stuff works for you – great. If not, and you ain't prepared to get your feet wet... go buy something
[22:05:52] lucas_: ten years ago, dealing with RPM hell ... people have it easy these days I guess
[22:06:32] justinh: heck if I wanted just 'a pvr' I'd have bought & stuck with any number of standalone devices by now
[22:06:54] justinh: but since I want flexibility to the point of insanity... ;-)
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[22:40:49] skd5aner: interesting, the HDHR-CC will support SDV too (oblig. sigh for the fact that it won't support anything besides MCE)
[22:44:37] iamlindoro: It'll work in Myth
[22:44:47] iamlindoro: you just won't get the top-tier channels, the copy-none ones
[22:45:09] iamlindoro: you will get the copy-free ones and the ones taht require authentication but no copy restriction
[22:45:23] iamlindoro: Which is a teensy tiny step up from a regular HDHR but that's all
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[22:51:06] sphery: SDV = ?
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[22:51:43] sphery: is that what they're using the DTA's for?
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[22:53:04] iamlindoro: Switched Digital Video
[22:53:19] iamlindoro: So that they can not broadcast hunks of their programming if nobody on the node is using it
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[22:58:52] iamlindoro: wsuetholz, I thought you gave up on Myth because we're big nasty jerkfaces?
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[22:59:27] iamlindoro: that's right, quitter
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[23:02:01] Beirdo: hehe
[23:02:19] skd5aner: sphery: yea, what iamlindoro said. SDV allows the cable company to not broadcast to an entire neighborhood unless someone in that neighborhood (node) is requesting the channel... it's a "bandwidth saving" mechanism
[23:03:03] skd5aner: sphery: but it's a 2 way communication mechanism that your device has to be cappable of speak to the headend, so that it can request the broadcast to be turned on for you...
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[23:03:32] Beirdo: hope to do some mythweather stuff real soon now ;)
[23:03:33] Beirdo: heh
[23:03:42] iamlindoro: get to work, slacker
[23:03:42] sphery: yeah, isn't that why they started using DTAs? So they could use SDV?
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[23:03:56] skd5aner: my provider was one of the first to test SDV a few years ago, they started with just a few networks that got very low viewership at the time...
[23:03:58] iamlindoro: we can't have you doing nothign all day like skd5aner
[23:04:00] sphery: Beirdo: did you see my attempt to pawn off a 2-yr-old TODO on you
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[23:04:03] sphery: (should be an easy one)
[23:04:05] Beirdo: heh. Well... I don't have the devel box up yet :)
[23:04:05] iamlindoro: who hasn't changed the release notes once today
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[23:04:11] Beirdo: sphery: oh oh, what now? :)
[23:04:23] skd5aner: iamlindoro: worse than that, I'm 8 days behind in commits :D
[23:04:31] iamlindoro: and it was a big 8 days
[23:04:33] skd5aner: s/:D/:-O
[23:05:10] skd5aner: sphery: yea, one of the primary reasons... word on the streat is that they'll always broadcast something like the top 25% of networks and all the rest will go SDV
[23:05:20] sphery: Beirdo: Interested in one of my old TODO's (an nuvexport one--and since I don't use nuvexport...) ? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349812#349812 + http://wizarth.livejournal.com/22582.html , specifically, it seems that the error message "Found $count files, but no matching database entries" is backwards (and it's $count DB entries and no files).
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[23:05:25] sphery: A quick look at the code seems to say that's the case, but I'd appreciate someone who knows nuvexport better looking at it. In mythextras/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm , BTW.
[23:05:34] iamlindoro: SDV and DTAs have no relationship with one another
[23:05:48] Beirdo: heh, I'm happy to look into it.
[23:05:51] skd5aner: iamlindoro: DTAs don't support SDV?
[23:05:53] sphery: thanks
[23:05:55] iamlindoro: nope
[23:06:05] sphery: I thought about changing it, but I don't know nuvexport
[23:06:17] iamlindoro: not those which they have been rolling out anyway-- the pace and moto boxes
[23:06:30] Beirdo: yeah, I'll go take a look tonight if I get time..
[23:06:36] skd5aner: iamlindoro: hmmmm, heard somewhere that was one thing they would support. I don't know as my provider hasn't used DTAs (TWC)
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[23:06:38] iamlindoro: That's not to say that they couldn't put the DTA behind a tuning adapter, but it would become two boxes rather than one
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[23:08:11] iamlindoro: well this is getting a little old
[23:08:15] sphery: wonder if wsuetholz is having network issues
[23:08:24] Beirdo: seems like
[23:08:27] iamlindoro: Guess the problem isn't just with MythTV ;)
[23:08:33] sphery: heh
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[23:08:53] Beirdo: Ugh, wonder if that dude on the livejournal link ever finished with his potential patch for trimming stuff
[23:09:00] Beirdo: !salmon wsuetholz
[23:09:00] ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of wsuetholz on behalf of Beirdo... **
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[23:09:24] sphery: maybe it's his, "Take that. It's for not helping me."
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[23:09:33] iamlindoro: ref: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/289223.html
[23:09:36] sphery: Beirdo: as old as the post is, I doubt it
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[23:10:31] Beirdo: sphery: yeah, or has lost them since
[23:10:34] Beirdo: I'll have to ping him
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[23:12:07] Beirdo: wsuetholz1: stop flapping, you are getting very annoying
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[23:12:38] ** Beirdo hands iamlindoro a boot ;) **
[23:12:50] iamlindoro: Awww, I *always* have to be the jerk
[23:12:59] Beirdo: ya don't HAVE to :)
[23:13:08] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro
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[23:13:13] Beirdo: but you do seem to enjoy a good booting
[23:13:25] iamlindoro: Only when they really deserve it
[23:13:30] Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : +b *!*wsuetholz@*.wi.res.rr.com
[23:13:30] wsuetholz has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (wsuetholz)
[23:13:54] Beirdo: if he figures out how to use an internet connection, he can come back later
[23:13:55] iamlindoro: we'll unban him in a few minutes once his auto-join catches on
[23:14:07] Beirdo: yup
[23:14:32] sphery: Beirdo: anyway, on that error, I'm not sure if it needs a 2-way error (handling both cases) or if it's already there or ...
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[23:15:07] sphery: so I figured it's better to let someone who knows something about nuvexport and how it's designed to work look at it
[23:15:15] Beirdo: cool
[23:15:30] Beirdo: shouldn't be too bad one hopes
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[23:15:34] sphery: and I very much appreciate your looking at it
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[23:16:16] Beirdo: hope the svn update doesn't take TOO long on my virtualbox :)
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[23:19:01] ** Beirdo sighs **
[23:19:01] iamlindoro: sigh
[23:19:23] iamlindoro: Beirdo's turn
[23:19:43] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o Beirdo
[23:19:48] ** Beirdo grins **
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[23:21:02] Beirdo: ergh
[23:21:18] Beirdo: heh
[23:21:27] iamlindoro: Dunno what +s does
[23:21:31] Beirdo: I keep getting ahead of myself
[23:21:37] Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo : -s
[23:21:39] iamlindoro: DOES IT MAKE MY WORDS SHOUTING?
[23:21:45] Beirdo: makes it secret channel, I think
[23:22:09] Beirdo: I meant to kick with the comment "Please stop flapping" and by mistake put it on the ban line
[23:22:12] Beirdo: heh
[23:22:42] Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!~gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo : -o Beirdo
[23:22:50] Beirdo: flapping sucketh
[23:23:22] Wicked: hmm...so i have a pvr-150 that i cap from a stb via svideo. i just got a hdhr and want to set it up with mythtv....whats the best way i can get both working together....one thing that is worrying me is the schedule direct stuff...sd only allows you one channel line up per account....and of course the hdhr does not have all the same channels as my normal channel line up for the stb.
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[23:34:31] Wicked: :|
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[23:57:36] Wicked: hmm...i dont understand this...i scanned for qam64/256 and it found a bunch of channels...for example my local fox station(wfxt) is listed 4 times... wfxt hd( primary) is listed twice in the channel editor as both 25_1 and 21...then wfxt25 as 225_1 and 30
[23:58:05] sphery: comcast?
[23:58:29] Wicked: sphery, yea
[23:58:32] sphery: if so, might want to see if you should try http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan
[23:59:17] bradd_: hmmm..some mythweb functionality still seems broken after 8406. the buttons on the upcoming screen dont seem to work.
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[23:59:53] Wicked: hmm ok ill have to look that over sphery

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