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| [00:14:43] | beata-: | hmm I wonder if getting the latest alsa will fix my surroundsound issues |
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| [00:17:52] | beata-: | why is sound such a pia |
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| [00:29:49] | sphery: | beata-: simple answer: ALSA |
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| [00:31:31] | clever: | sphery: myththemed menu gets made a couple of times |
| [00:31:43] | clever: | i'll go with the other |
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| [00:36:14] | wagnerrp: | ugh... NULL strikes again |
| [00:36:28] | wagnerrp: | i cant use an 'executemany', because different deletes may have different where statements |
| [00:36:34] | wagnerrp: | because some may use NULL, some may not |
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| [00:37:35] | sphery: | clever: others would know better what to use... I just threw out a couple of wild guesses :) |
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| [00:38:10] | clever: | sphery: yeah, i'll take a closer look at the other one now that its been narrowed down |
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| [00:42:49] | wagnerrp: | why is it that when i try to rewrite something better/cleaner/faster... it just ends up being LONGER |
| [00:43:59] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I know the feeling |
| [00:44:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, recordedmarkup.data is a hack by some Robert M guy for storing resolution in the DB: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19149 |
| [00:45:14] | wagnerrp: | robertm... the bane of my existance for making me deal with these damned dirty NULLs |
| [00:45:27] | ** wagnerrp shakes his fist like a Charlton Heston ** | |
| [00:47:53] | wagnerrp: | huh.... something is working that /shouldnt/ be working, because i havent programmed it yet |
| [00:47:59] | wagnerrp: | ive got a bad feeling about this |
| [00:50:48] | clever: | its psycic! |
| [00:53:51] | sphery: | maybe iamlindoro can kickban robertm |
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| [00:59:08] | ** wagnerrp tries his hand at multiple inheritance ** | |
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| [01:02:29] | wagnerrp: | thats nice... |
| [01:02:35] | Tanthrix: | I don |
| [01:02:40] | Tanthrix: | t like the looks of this: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6466XR2 . . . domesticNews |
| [01:04:14] | sphery: | So is it better to show yyyyMMddhhmmss to users when telling them what date format to use in --help output or to use something like YYYYMMDDHHMMSS ? |
| [01:04:42] | wagnerrp: | what that article talks about is something that cable companies can already do |
| [01:04:46] | sphery: | Tanthrix: one small step... |
| [01:05:01] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [01:05:02] | wagnerrp: | what the article doesnt mention at all is that this approval is actually to disable analog output |
| [01:05:28] | sphery: | Tanthrix: better description: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/fcc-will-l . . . utputs-kinda |
| [01:05:33] | sphery: | from iamlindoro , earlier today |
| [01:06:08] | Tanthrix: | I can live with that....if it stayed like that. But there's no chance in hell. |
| [01:06:21] | sphery: | yeah, give an inch... |
| [01:06:24] | Tanthrix: | Good thing there are HDCP>Component convertors out there. Too bad they're still so expensive |
| [01:06:40] | sphery: | better thing that I don't care at all about cable tv :) |
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| [01:07:00] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [01:07:02] | sphery: | cable tv is for people who aren't willing to affect change |
| [01:07:03] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [01:07:15] | sphery: | if everyone dropped cable tv, the cable co's would change :) |
| [01:07:36] | sphery: | I dropped, but I haven't gotten my 200M friends to do the same |
| [01:07:36] | wagnerrp: | 'yeah. cause the analog hole turned out to be such a big risk. oh wait, theres bd rips floating around the internet before the discs even come out. yeah. what's the point of this again?' |
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| [01:07:45] | sphery: | so far, I've only succeeded at getting a single person to drop cable |
| [01:08:37] | sphery: | so, thoughts on yyyyMMddhhmmss vs YYYYMMDDHHMMSS in user-visible help? |
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| [01:10:26] | hamiltop: | I'm having problems with watching live tv under mythfrontend. VLC will play video from /dev/video0 fine, so I'm pretty sure the card is working fine |
| [01:10:30] | hamiltop: | its a PVR-150 |
| [01:10:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | avg user won't know why some letters are caps and some aren't. |
| [01:10:43] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [01:11:00] | sphery: | How do I capitalize 10? !) |
| [01:11:06] | wagnerrp: | and the advanced user can imply which fields are supposed to be minutes, and which months |
| [01:11:28] | wagnerrp: | hamiltop: check your backend logs |
| [01:12:18] | sphery: | just wanted to have a single capitalization for easy grep'ing (allowing us to see when someone uses a wrong one in code) |
| [01:13:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, and ones that do have some idea might wonder about those upper/lowercase vs the ones that the date command uses with %Y%m%d%H%M%S |
| [01:14:09] | sphery: | the someone will be revealed soon with an upcoming commit |
| [01:14:39] | sphery: | yeah, since Qt's formatting is different, it makes sense to just make it user friendly in user strings |
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| [01:23:44] | hamiltop: | AudioInOSS(/dev/dsp) Error: open failed – Invalid argument |
| [01:23:51] | hamiltop: | that's the first error in the logs |
| [01:23:57] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be using audioinoss |
| [01:24:04] | hamiltop: | k |
| [01:24:05] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be using any form of audio input |
| [01:24:25] | wagnerrp: | im guessing you installed that card as a V4L capture card? |
| [01:24:57] | hamiltop: | yes |
| [01:25:25] | wagnerrp: | no, you want 'IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card' |
| [01:25:36] | hamiltop: | ok |
| [01:26:59] | sphery: | hamiltop: do the capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [01:27:10] | sphery: | then reconfigure with the IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card as wagnerrp mentioned |
| [01:27:36] | hamiltop: | that fixed it |
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| [01:44:35] | bcgrown: | I am running Mythbuntu 9.10 now (Myth 0.22) and want to switch to 10.04 to get MythTV 0.23. What do I have to do to keep the same database? |
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| [01:44:56] | bcgrown: | I mean, I can follow the backup and restore instructions on the wiki, but it doesn't say anything about changing versions |
| [01:45:05] | wagnerrp: | just install and run 0.23 |
| [01:45:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will automatically update the database as needed |
| [01:45:26] | wagnerrp: | note that mythtv can only upgrade, not downgrade |
| [01:45:43] | wagnerrp: | nor can it run with a version of the database other than the single one it is programmed for |
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| [01:46:28] | bcgrown: | So I can safely do a clean install of mythbuntu, then restore the 0.22 database, and it will be upgraded? |
| [01:46:37] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:46:39] | bcgrown: | awesome |
| [01:49:06] | bcgrown: | Can I also use the 0.22 config from~/.mythtv? |
| [01:49:33] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [01:51:03] | bcgrown: | one more question... Where is the backend config stored? |
| [01:51:12] | wagnerrp: | the database |
| [01:51:23] | bcgrown: | ah |
| [01:51:28] | bcgrown: | no wonder i couldn't find it :) |
| [01:51:36] | wagnerrp: | everything is stored in the database |
| [01:51:46] | wagnerrp: | except of course the information needed to access the datbase |
| [01:51:55] | bcgrown: | and frontend config? |
| [01:52:14] | wagnerrp: | everything is stored in the database |
| [01:52:27] | bcgrown: | oh neato |
| [01:53:02] | sphery: | heh, "find . ~ -user mtdean" is not the same as "find . ! -user mtdean" |
| [01:57:06] | bcgrown: | thanks wagnerrp, sorry if these are dumb questions |
| [01:57:28] | wagnerrp: | no, just frequently asked ones |
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| [02:02:05] | bcgrown: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore <-- this page doesn't make it obvious that the database will be auto-upgraded |
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| [02:02:43] | wagnerrp: | perhaps not, its just common mythtv knowledge that it will be auto-upgraded |
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| [02:03:28] | sphery: | can anyone tell where the user is going in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7813 |
| [02:03:32] | sphery: | I'm lost |
| [02:03:39] | wagnerrp: | insane? |
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| [02:03:51] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: wouldn't it make sense for the wiki to at least mention it in passing? |
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| [02:04:35] | wagnerrp: | i know it is mentioned in the official docs |
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| [02:05:11] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.3 |
| [02:05:26] | skd5aner: | ahhh crap: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/fcc- . . . ries+2%29%29 |
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| [02:05:49] | skd5aner: | sorry – better link – http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/fcc-allows-soc/ |
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| [02:07:00] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp, i see... that site layout drives me nuts. if you do a ctrl-f search for something it will highlight words that are hidden underneath the top and bottom bars. in firefox, anyway |
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| [02:07:47] | skd5aner: | "We’re not breaking anybody’s TVs," – he's full of <insert bad word here> |
| [02:07:48] | bcgrown: | "The FCC said it sided with the MPAA in the name of “public interest,” (.pdf) and granted SOC controls for no longer than 90 days per title." |
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| [02:07:55] | bcgrown: | how is that in the interest of the public? |
| [02:08:18] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: the industry will not allow showing of early run movies without SoC |
| [02:08:41] | wagnerrp: | so by allowing SoC for this particular case, they are actually allowing new capability to the public |
| [02:08:46] | wagnerrp: | it is good for the public |
| [02:08:55] | wagnerrp: | this waiver is not a problem |
| [02:08:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: think we should put some "how to I upgrade my database" type FAQ in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions |
| [02:09:00] | ** skd5aner still doesn't buy that argument – slippery slope ** | |
| [02:09:15] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that it will set a bad precedent that will allow them to enable SoC at other times |
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| [02:09:24] | wagnerrp: | or so is the fear anyway |
| [02:09:44] | bcgrown: | I'm not in the US so this doesn't affect me (yet), but is there a definitive source for what equipment has SoC capability? |
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| [02:10:17] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine just about any STB hardware has the capability |
| [02:10:18] | skd5aner: | Most cable issued set-top boxes, which you'd have to have to order pay-per-view anyway |
| [02:10:20] | wagnerrp: | perhaps already |
| [02:10:32] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, it would be available through a firmware update |
| [02:10:33] | skd5aner: | Sattellite, etc |
| [02:10:59] | bcgrown: | :( i'm dreading the day my firewire output gets disabled |
| [02:11:10] | skd5aner: | They're not disabling the capability of your TV, just disabling what they are feeding to your TV via any analog channels |
| [02:11:43] | bcgrown: | it's not really any different in my eyes |
| [02:11:58] | skd5aner: | bcgrown: yup, you definitely don't live in the US (at least 99.99% of the US has fairly crippled firewire ports out of their STBs |
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| [02:12:19] | bcgrown: | skd5aner, apparently most people's firewire outputs here (Canada) are crippled too |
| [02:12:24] | skd5aner: | bcgrown: definitely no argument from me |
| [02:12:31] | bcgrown: | I happen to be on a smaller, independent ISP |
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| [02:13:15] | bcgrown: | I haven't checked premium channels since I don't have them, but my provider says they don't set the 5C flag, but if the upstream content has it set, it will be there |
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| [02:14:12] | skd5aner: | I doubt the content itself will control SoC – it'll probably be controlled by the providers via SLA and contract agreements for distributing the content |
| [02:14:25] | bcgrown: | however when i had a free preview of the movie channels and HBO i could record everything |
| [02:15:04] | skd5aner: | anyway – just another day in the world of digital media, and with that I say good night |
| [02:15:22] | bcgrown: | buenos nachos |
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| [02:18:04] | sphery: | finally found a place where i can repro that error |
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| [02:19:48] | mcur: | Any good suggestions on a micro-atx case that can hold, say, four hard disks? |
| [02:20:08] | mcur: | Thinking about using something like that for a myth backend/backup machine for home |
| [02:20:19] | wagnerrp: | backend only? |
| [02:20:56] | wagnerrp: | mcur: ^^^ |
| [02:21:36] | bcgrown: | this one looks nice: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35 . . . dia%20System |
| [02:22:54] | bcgrown: | I have this one: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=23679&v . . . 20Technology and it's decent. it's the smallest micro-atx case I could find but it's only got 3 drive bays (2 x 3.5, 1x 5.25) |
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| [02:29:15] | bcgrown: | Anyone know if there is a difference in how channels are tuned over FireWire in Live TV vs scheduled recordings? |
| [02:29:59] | wagnerrp: | should be none |
| [02:30:29] | bcgrown: | Hmm... In live TV I very often get a time out and then "Error opening jump program file buffer." After that the tuner doesn't work until I reboot. As far as I can tell, I've never had a similar problem with scheduled recordings |
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| [02:31:21] | jpabq: | bcgrown, mythfrontend does have a 15 second timeout for tuning operations. The scheduled recordings that does not apply. |
| [02:31:35] | jpabq: | s/The scheduled/For scheduled/ |
| [02:31:54] | bcgrown: | I think that |
| [02:32:01] | bcgrown: | 's adjustable though, right? maybe I just need to increase it |
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| [02:35:25] | jpabq: | bcgrown, it is not adjustable as far as I know. You could try http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6719 , although that patch is reported to not work if you use multirec. |
| [02:36:33] | Shadow_U: | you should be able to adjust the timeout in tuner setup |
| [02:36:39] | Shadow_U: | unless i am mistaken |
| [02:36:46] | bcgrown: | i remember seeing an option in the backend setup |
| [02:37:20] | Shadow_U: | yeah it is in the backend setup |
| [02:37:20] | bcgrown: | as far as i know my tuner doesn't do multirec, unless i am missing it |
| [02:37:41] | PeaceKeeper: | I guess I need a analog tuner to record basic cable out of the wall (no digital box). Anyone recommend one? |
| [02:38:15] | Shadow_U: | PeaceKeeper: i would look into that depedning on area you are most likely better off getting a digital tuner |
| [02:38:23] | wagnerrp: | so thats the easy one done, cleaner and working well... only 30% longer |
| [02:38:28] | wagnerrp: | now for the hard one.... |
| [02:38:52] | Shadow_U: | bcgrown: if you are using a qam tuner yo ushould beable to do multirec |
| [02:39:20] | PeaceKeeper: | Shadow_U: that will get my cable out of the wall? I have a older hd-5000 and HVR-2250 |
| [02:39:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, both of those are QAM capable |
| [02:40:02] | wagnerrp: | you should understand the limitations of digital cable capture first before trying anything |
| [02:40:25] | wagnerrp: | PeaceKeeper: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [02:40:26] | bcgrown: | Shadow_U, I don't remember seeing any options to enable multirec when I set up my tuner |
| [02:40:43] | bcgrown: | (firewire cable box) |
| [02:40:56] | PeaceKeeper: | I am looking over wiki now. I used to ahve a pvr-250 before, but something happened to it. Now those are all I have left |
| [02:41:06] | Shadow_U: | PeaceKeeper: this should give you a good idea of what to expect through qam http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
| [02:41:38] | Shadow_U: | bcgrown: to my knowledge multirec is only for qam tuners or the equivilant to a qam tuner |
| [02:41:54] | wagnerrp: | s/qam/digital/ |
| [02:42:02] | bcgrown: | Shadow_U, well technically this is a QAM tuner |
| [02:42:28] | Shadow_U: | wagnerrp: yeah thanks |
| [02:42:30] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: multirec is not supported over firewire |
| [02:42:32] | bcgrown: | ah |
| [02:42:38] | bcgrown: | :( |
| [02:42:49] | Shadow_U: | bcgrown: you want multirec get a digital tuner |
| [02:42:58] | bcgrown: | no use here, everything is encrypted |
| [02:43:04] | wagnerrp: | and its very likely the STBs themselves wouldnt even allow you to record multiple channels in a single stream even if you wanted to rework firewire support in mythtv to allow so |
| [02:43:40] | Shadow_U: | bcgrown: load up on stb's and get hdpvr power |
| [02:44:00] | Shadow_U: | /s/get/harness the |
| [02:44:00] | bcgrown: | Shadow_U, I wouldn't need the hdpvr, just another firewire cable |
| [02:44:57] | PeaceKeeper: | Thank you both :) I think I still need an analog to get all the other channels. (1 – 65) |
| [02:45:03] | bcgrown: | i don't care enough about tv to have a stack of stb's :) |
| [02:45:24] | Shadow_U: | PeaceKeeper: check the site i sent you that would give you a better idea of what digital channels to expect to receive |
| [02:46:03] | PeaceKeeper: | I just did :) thank you. It is missing a lot of channels that I get on my older analog tv set with coax in |
| [02:46:19] | bcgrown: | Shadow_U, I think that site only shows the broadcasted HD channels |
| [02:46:34] | bcgrown: | s/HD/digital |
| [02:46:40] | bcgrown: | broadcasted over-the-air, that is |
| [02:46:44] | Shadow_U: | bcgrown: for me personally it shows all the digital channels i receive regardless if hd or not |
| [02:46:59] | bcgrown: | likely PeaceKeeper will get more channels on cable than by antenna |
| [02:47:40] | PeaceKeeper: | I have antenna now, and the site does a good job of showing me the ones I get OTA, but not via the coax rfom the wall |
| [02:47:50] | bcgrown: | try zap2it.com |
| [02:48:13] | Shadow_U: | PeaceKeeper: it would illustrate the digital unencrypted channels you would get from coax |
| [02:49:32] | PeaceKeeper: | Humm i get every channel between 1 and 75 on coax. those do not show on the site |
| [02:49:48] | mcur: | wagnerrp: Sorry, got a phone call. Yeah, this is backend only. I want something that looks nice, but it doesn't need to fit into a home entertainment system. Just something small-ish and attractive. |
| [02:49:52] | bcgrown: | PeaceKeeper, those are probably analog channels |
| [02:50:08] | mcur: | For comparison, I was looking at this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129044 |
| [02:50:22] | bcgrown: | mcur, check out this one: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35 . . . dia%20System |
| [02:50:24] | wagnerrp: | if its a backend only, and you can shove it anywhere you want, why not just get a big case that will handle however many drives you want? |
| [02:50:34] | PeaceKeeper: | Right :) that is what I need to find a analog tuner :) |
| [02:50:54] | PeaceKeeper: | But looks like most are not being mad anymore (?) example:pvr-500 |
| [02:50:58] | mcur: | wagnerrp: Cuz I do have a sense of style. :) I've grown to dislike typical huge computer cases |
| [02:51:01] | PeaceKeeper: | madee** |
| [02:51:08] | PeaceKeeper: | ugg made* |
| [02:51:13] | bcgrown: | PeaceKeeper, there are plenty of used ones available. ebay, craigslist, etc |
| [02:51:39] | PeaceKeeper: | Good pointer. I will check that out. thx |
| [02:51:59] | mcur: | I won't really be putting it into a closet or anything, as I want it to be on-switch |
| [02:52:49] | Shadow_U: | PeaceKeeper: you could get something like the wintv=hvr-2250 |
| [02:52:58] | Shadow_U: | digitl tuner and analog tuner |
| [02:53:03] | wagnerrp: | Shadow_U: doesnt do analog |
| [02:53:04] | Shadow_U: | 2 of each in fact |
| [02:53:15] | wagnerrp: | and its only two tuners, not four |
| [02:53:24] | bcgrown: | yeah, no linux support for ntsc :( |
| [02:53:26] | Shadow_U: | oh right in linux it doesnt do analog in linux |
| [02:53:34] | Shadow_U: | ah whoops sorry i was wrong |
| [02:53:50] | wagnerrp: | it has two hybrid tuners |
| [02:53:54] | Shadow_U: | i really want one of those hdpvrs |
| [02:53:56] | wagnerrp: | each can only tune analog or digital |
| [02:53:59] | wagnerrp: | but not both at the same time |
| [02:54:21] | Shadow_U: | yeah i realised that after the fact |
| [02:54:43] | PeaceKeeper: | Shadow_U: i have a hvr-2250 but the analog is not supported |
| [02:55:26] | bcgrown: | PeaceKeeper: if you're just looking for analog, grab a PVR-500. i don't think there are too many other well-supported dual-tuner cards |
| [02:55:56] | PeaceKeeper: | I found one but the bracket looks funny. Not sure I can make it work |
| [02:56:11] | bcgrown: | i'm guessing you're looking at one of those hp media centre ones on ebay |
| [02:56:12] | wagnerrp: | PeaceKeeper: you found the HP OEM version |
| [02:56:30] | bcgrown: | you probably could make it work, but the normal pci ones show up often too so why bother |
| [02:56:53] | wagnerrp: | PeaceKeeper: i believe you can buy a new bracket from hauppauge if it came to it |
| [02:58:09] | PeaceKeeper: | Humm maybe. Not sure what price point I am looking for. |
| [02:59:20] | bcgrown: | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& . . . 350328687060 |
| [02:59:26] | PeaceKeeper: | a lot of refurbished. but since that dont make them new... |
| [02:59:46] | bcgrown: | if you have lots of spare pci slots it might be cheaper to get two pvr-150's |
| [02:59:55] | PeaceKeeper: | I am in US :) but thx |
| [03:00:09] | PeaceKeeper: | I have 3 pci open |
| [03:00:23] | bcgrown: | they ship worldwide |
| [03:00:35] | PeaceKeeper: | I was hoping for one cable in with pvr-500 to keep it clean |
| [03:00:41] | bcgrown: | i have the wintv pvr-usb2 and it works well. it's basically an external pvr-150 |
| [03:01:17] | bcgrown: | pvr-500 = 2 x pvr-150, i think |
| [03:01:29] | PeaceKeeper: | Looks like that on the wiki |
| [03:01:37] | bcgrown: | the picture quality isn't great but then analog cable always looks like crap on LCDs anyway |
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| [03:06:37] | wagnerrp: | mcur: personally, ive grown quite fond of hotswap |
| [03:06:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont think i would build another backend without that |
| [03:07:05] | mcur: | wagnerrp: Do you have failures that often? |
| [03:07:06] | wagnerrp: | or at the very least, some sort of sideways mount like seen in the lian-li towers |
| [03:08:01] | wagnerrp: | in the last ~4yrs of running hardware raid with hotswap bays.... i think ive replaced 4 drives |
| [03:08:58] | mcur: | How many disks in the array? |
| [03:09:11] | wagnerrp: | 11 between two arrays |
| [03:09:27] | mcur: | Ahhh, gotcha |
| [03:09:51] | wagnerrp: | now that was first started with 300s, now running 750s |
| [03:10:03] | wagnerrp: | were i still running the original drives, i would probably have had a lot more failures |
| [03:10:16] | mcur: | *nods* |
| [03:10:24] | bcgrown: | what are you doing to your drives |
| [03:10:36] | bcgrown: | to make them wear out so fast |
| [03:10:51] | wagnerrp: | filling them, and needing more space |
| [03:11:06] | mcur: | 11 drives is a lot, it's not surprising that half have failed over 4 years |
| [03:11:22] | mcur: | A little unusual, yes, but not unbelievable |
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| [03:14:27] | wagnerrp: | i replaced them any time the raid card kicked them out |
| [03:14:42] | wagnerrp: | which may have been just an ignored blip by most people |
| [03:14:44] | PeaceKeeper: | so is a pvr-150 or pvr-250 better? |
| [03:14:49] | wagnerrp: | 150 |
| [03:15:02] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok :) |
| [03:15:32] | bcgrown: | Wiki: This product has been rendered obsolete by the Hauppauge PVR-150. |
| [03:16:09] | PeaceKeeper: | I saw that :) I just was not sure if it was better. |
| [03:16:34] | bcgrown: | Do you need a remote? Some of the Hauppauge tuners have a "Media Center Edition" that includes a MCE remote and IR receiver |
| [03:16:45] | bcgrown: | makes setup a lot easier |
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| [03:17:20] | PeaceKeeper: | No I have that covered. |
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| [03:17:37] | bcgrown: | ah ok then you can go for the cheapest one |
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| [03:39:53] | dan__t: | So, way cool. Got a MythTV frontend built tonight. |
| [03:40:11] | dan__t: | In my "server", I have two hauppauge pvr cards. unfortunately I can't tell them apart once the machine is up. |
| [03:40:57] | bcgrown: | Why do you need to? |
| [03:41:40] | bcgrown: | I mean, doesn't the backend setup tell them apart somehow? |
| [03:41:53] | silverdulcet: | you can name them differently. |
| [03:42:11] | silverdulcet: | but unless they record different sources it doesn't really matter. |
| [03:42:29] | dan__t: | Sure. I just want to know which card is in this slot, which card is in that slot. |
| [03:42:33] | dan__t: | Researching device IDs now |
| [03:42:37] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: if youre using the tuner, it doesnt matter |
| [03:42:45] | wagnerrp: | if youre capturing off an STB, it very much matters |
| [03:43:07] | silverdulcet: | in that case, most cards have module options that you can set which tuner is the first tuner, and which is the second. |
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| [03:43:21] | dan__t: | Yeah, they're different cards, I need to configure them properly. |
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| [03:46:18] | bcgrown: | why can't I delete livetv recordings from mythweb? |
| [03:46:55] | bcgrown: | on recorded programs i hit delete, it disappears, then if i reload the page they're back again |
| [03:48:01] | silverdulcet: | dan__t: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/430222 |
| [03:48:35] | dan__t: | Hot. |
| [03:48:45] | silverdulcet: | dan__t: that thread lists how to check if your cards module supports specifying which tuner card is which, and then how to do it. |
| [03:49:01] | bcgrown: | 2010-05–07 20:44:44.540 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/videomatic/1171_20100219063842.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. |
| [03:49:15] | bcgrown: | err.. if the file doesn't exist, why do i want the metadata? |
| [03:49:28] | dan__t: | Very cool, thank you very much. |
| [03:49:34] | wagnerrp: | because its an orphaned file, something is wrong |
| [03:49:46] | wagnerrp: | rather than arbitrarily delete it, its leaving it there for you to correct the problem |
| [03:49:53] | dan__t: | I'll just use one for now, just to get things working. |
| [03:50:18] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: if the file actually does exist,but is on a currently disconnected drive |
| [03:50:34] | wagnerrp: | you deleting the metadata would resulted in an orphaned file, possibly consuming several GB of space |
| [03:50:52] | bcgrown: | so.. how do i delete the metadata |
| [03:50:55] | dan__t: | mythtv-setup doesn't like being ran through remote X displays it seems |
| [03:51:06] | bcgrown: | since I know for sure that the file doesn't exist |
| [03:51:13] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: it likes it just fine |
| [03:51:22] | dan__t: | I must be missing qt bits |
| [03:51:40] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: QT is only needed by the client |
| [03:51:56] | wagnerrp: | its a code library, not something sent over X |
| [03:51:58] | dan__t: | mythtv-setup is a component of the backend though, isn't it? |
| [03:52:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup is the X client |
| [03:52:36] | dan__t: | oh |
| [03:53:17] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: there is a script in contrib to remove orphans, however it is obsolete, and has not been maintained in some time |
| [03:53:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it currently works properly |
| [03:53:41] | bcgrown: | le sigh |
| [03:53:51] | silverdulcet: | wagnerrp: I read a thread that said it probably isn't a good idea to run it on 0.23 |
| [03:53:58] | bcgrown: | silverdulcet: i'm on 02.2 |
| [03:54:01] | bcgrown: | er.. 0.22 |
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| [03:55:34] | silverdulcet: | bcgrown: it didn't work for the person on 0.23, not sure about 0.22. |
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| [03:57:32] | dan__t: | so... mythtv-setup is ran by a client, that connects to a backend, to configure it and stuff? |
| [03:57:50] | bcgrown: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl that doesn't fill me with confidence |
| [03:58:15] | bcgrown: | i think i have a bunch of orphaned files in my LiveTV dir too, is it safe to delete them? |
| [03:58:26] | bcgrown: | i can live with the orphan db records, but i want my 17GB back |
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| [04:03:08] | silverdulcet: | bcgrown: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/418595 |
| [04:04:03] | silverdulcet: | bcgrown: some people seem to use it with 0.22 and have no problems, but definately heed the warning in that thread, backup your DB and check your logs for problems. Also realize that you might not see problems till later. |
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| [04:04:58] | bcgrown: | sounds like it's not worth the trouble |
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| [04:05:18] | bcgrown: | what happens if i just delete the files and some of them happen to still be in the db? |
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| [04:06:15] | dan__t: | Are there any HDMI capture cards? |
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| [04:06:24] | dan__t: | or did i just make that up |
| [04:06:34] | wagnerrp: | yes there are, and they are worthless to us |
| [04:06:35] | bcgrown: | dan__t: none that are within reach of a normal person's budget |
| [04:06:40] | bcgrown: | afaik |
| [04:06:51] | wagnerrp: | actually avermedia has one for $80 |
| [04:07:00] | bcgrown: | oh |
| [04:07:13] | wagnerrp: | and i think the blackmagic one goes for $150 |
| [04:07:21] | bcgrown: | why are they worthless then? |
| [04:07:34] | sphery: | bcgrown: don't delete outside of Myth |
| [04:07:56] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown, dan__t: because they will not accept HDCP content |
| [04:08:00] | bcgrown: | ah |
| [04:08:03] | wagnerrp: | and you will not find a digital out that is not using HDCP |
| [04:08:11] | sphery: | bcgrown: go into Watch Recordings and change the filter to LiveTV then just go through and delete each file |
| [04:08:18] | sphery: | er, each recording |
| [04:08:22] | bcgrown: | sphery: that's what i was doing |
| [04:08:34] | bcgrown: | sphery: mythbackend wouldn't delete them from the DB because it couldn't find the files |
| [04:08:47] | sphery: | you're not deleting properly, then |
| [04:08:51] | sphery: | what exactly are you hitting |
| [04:09:14] | sphery: | bcgrown: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F |
| [04:09:28] | bcgrown: | "Delete" |
| [04:09:30] | bcgrown: | what else is there |
| [04:10:01] | sphery: | the Delete key? |
| [04:10:04] | sphery: | or the D key |
| [04:10:10] | bcgrown: | the "Delete" button in mythweb |
| [04:10:10] | sphery: | or MENU|Delete |
| [04:10:17] | sphery: | oh, you're using MythWeb |
| [04:10:20] | sphery: | /that/ is your problem |
| [04:10:36] | sphery: | mythweb can't delete recordings when the files don't exist |
| [04:10:37] | bcgrown: | but mythweb says i have 11 livetv recordings and there are 19 in my livetv dir |
| [04:10:54] | sphery: | well go through mythfrontend and delete all the live tv |
| [04:11:43] | bcgrown: | gotta wait to see if the canucks will score twice in the last minute |
| [04:11:44] | bcgrown: | lol |
| [04:12:15] | bcgrown: | ugh |
| [04:12:17] | bcgrown: | i'm gonna cey |
| [04:12:19] | bcgrown: | *cry |
| [04:12:37] | dan__t: | So I should give up on trying to use HDMI right from my cable box eh |
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| [04:12:50] | dan__t: | Hey look at that, Fedora on my 40" TV. That's new. |
| [04:13:47] | bcgrown: | where is the option to display/hide livetv in the Watch Recordings screen? |
| [04:14:04] | sphery: | MENU|Change Group Filter |
| [04:14:34] | sphery: | in 0.23-fixes, you might have to hit MENU 2 times if you're in the list of shows instead of the list of titles |
| [04:14:43] | bcgrown: | i don't get livetv in that list |
| [04:14:56] | bcgrown: | ah never mind |
| [04:15:00] | bcgrown: | it's group view, not group filter |
| [04:15:03] | sphery: | MENU|Change Group View and enable LiveTV |
| [04:15:11] | sphery: | no, it's both :) |
| [04:15:34] | bcgrown: | umm.. not on my pc |
| [04:16:13] | bcgrown: | anyways... there isn't a "delete all in group", is there? |
| [04:16:56] | bcgrown: | i hope there isn't actually |
| [04:17:00] | bcgrown: | that would be dangerous |
| [04:17:16] | sphery: | MENU|Add this group to the Playlist , MENU|Playlist Options|Delete |
| [04:17:22] | sphery: | but it won't work if the files are missing |
| [04:17:28] | bcgrown: | ah, well i didn't have that many to do |
| [04:17:49] | sphery: | as it won't prompt for missing files and it won't delete recordings if files are missing unless it prompts and gets confirmation |
| [04:17:50] | bcgrown: | that didn't delete *any* of the files in my LiveTV folder though... |
| [04:18:35] | bcgrown: | and they're all old too. i must have changed the storage ettings a while back |
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| [04:22:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did you see that? i swayed someone away from virtual machines! |
| [04:22:45] | sphery: | nice! |
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| [04:23:58] | bcgrown: | what's so bad about VM's? |
| [04:24:09] | wagnerrp: | whats so good about VMs? |
| [04:24:18] | bcgrown: | i can run windows software on linux without rebooting |
| [04:24:22] | wagnerrp: | so? |
| [04:24:23] | bcgrown: | or resorting to wine |
| [04:24:29] | sphery: | what's so bad about using a hammer to cut a board in 2? |
| [04:24:31] | bcgrown: | (which doesn't work) |
| [04:24:38] | sphery: | (wrong tool for the job) |
| [04:24:54] | bcgrown: | bad analogy |
| [04:25:02] | sphery: | these are users trying to use VM's to host different parts of Myth on the same physical host |
| [04:25:10] | bcgrown: | well that i dont get |
| [04:25:28] | wagnerrp: | VMs are only worthwhile is you /need/ to run different operating systems |
| [04:25:35] | dan__t: | Now, all I need is an IR blaster, and I'll be happy. |
| [04:25:35] | wagnerrp: | if you dont, there are other, better solutions |
| [04:25:38] | bcgrown: | no argument there |
| [04:26:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: .append("and you don't have multiple physical machines") |
| [04:26:38] | wagnerrp: | been reading python? or is that QT syntax as well? |
| [04:26:38] | bcgrown: | trying to back up the important config from /etc/ before i reinstall... what else should i save besides /mythtv/ and /lirc/ ? |
| [04:27:10] | sphery: | bcgrown: database backup-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [04:27:23] | bcgrown: | sphery: well yes of course, but i meant in terms of config files |
| [04:27:28] | wagnerrp: | i know QT has similar syntax when dealing with strings, but i dont know what the specific one is for appending to one |
| [04:28:52] | sphery: | also Qt, I think |
| [04:29:15] | sphery: | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qstring.html#append |
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| [04:34:20] | bcgrown: | Does MythWelcome also store its config in the database? |
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| [04:35:12] | sphery: | yes |
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| [04:40:39] | dan__t: | hrm... i don't have enough stuff here to make an IR blaster. |
| [04:43:10] | bcgrown: | dan__t: there are sometimes really cheap ones on ebay |
| [04:43:18] | dan__t: | Yea got two on the way |
| [04:43:25] | bcgrown: | i mean... it's just an led isn't it? |
| [04:43:42] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: and a handful of chips to drive it, yes |
| [04:43:54] | bcgrown: | wagnerrp: right, i'm thinking of the MCE blaster |
| [04:44:03] | bcgrown: | the drivers are built into the receiver |
| [04:44:04] | dan__t: | i got an MCE remote today |
| [04:44:07] | dan__t: | It came with a receiver. |
| [04:44:20] | dan__t: | But if I use that, I have no receiver for my MCE remote that belongs to my frontend |
| [04:44:51] | dan__t: | So its an HVR-1600 card, seems to be working well. |
| [04:44:58] | dan__t: | I mean it loads fine now, very well indeed. |
| [04:45:00] | bcgrown: | btw, stupid IR trick: your cell phone camera can probably see the IR from your remote |
| [04:45:11] | dan__t: | Now I just need to send some video to it :) |
| [04:45:24] | bcgrown: | they don't bother to put IR filters in |
| [04:45:31] | dan__t: | nope. |
| [04:45:45] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: most webcams with IR filters can see the IR from a remote just fine |
| [04:45:55] | dan__t: | Guess the hauppauge ir dongle thing could be used as a blaster. |
| [04:46:09] | dan__t: | http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 – it doesn't see the device, it doesn't exist, blah blah |
| [04:49:06] | fleers: | I know this is OT here, but what of this "FCC allows cable, satellite companies to block copying of movies" news? |
| [04:50:07] | fleers: | "selectable output control" and the ability to turn off STB output? |
| [04:50:31] | wagnerrp: | movies that are within 90 days of original release, and are not yet available on disc, are eligible for SOC |
| [04:50:49] | wagnerrp: | so content that has previously not been available is eligible |
| [04:50:54] | wagnerrp: | s/has/was/ |
| [04:51:24] | wagnerrp: | you have not lost access to anything |
| [04:51:36] | fleers: | ok, so I can continue to record Hogans Heroes :-) |
| [04:51:37] | wagnerrp: | you just cant use new services they want to provide |
| [04:51:52] | fleers: | got it, thanks wagnerrp |
| [04:52:18] | wagnerrp: | the fear is that this will set a bad precedence to allow SOC waivers for a broader range of content |
| [04:52:33] | fleers: | yeah, I see the 'foot in the door' angle |
| [04:52:42] | wagnerrp: | but in and of itself, this has no affect on mythtv users |
| [04:53:39] | bcgrown: | ...unless they want to record the aforementioned movies |
| [04:53:55] | bcgrown: | (via hdpvr) |
| [04:54:02] | wagnerrp: | bcgrown: those movies previously would not have existed for mythtv users to record |
| [04:54:19] | bcgrown: | well, the would not have existed for anyone |
| [04:54:19] | wagnerrp: | so nothing gained, nothing lost |
| [04:54:37] | bcgrown: | so everyone else gains new movies, mythtv users don't |
| [04:54:47] | bcgrown: | new movies gained, new movies lost |
| [04:54:50] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to shell out for an HDFury |
| [04:55:38] | iamlindoro: | The point is that Cable companies don't get movies in less than 90 days, and don't get them before the optical media-- so nothing at all is lost. It's only the precedent that is worrisome |
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| [04:56:27] | bcgrown: | my db backup is about 14MB, does that sound right? |
| [04:56:36] | wagnerrp: | how many recordings? |
| [04:57:07] | bcgrown: | 25 |
| [04:57:22] | wagnerrp: | seems a bit big |
| [04:57:30] | bcgrown: | and a whack of schedules |
| [04:57:39] | wagnerrp: | how many channels? |
| [04:58:48] | bcgrown: | probably 100 schedules, and hrmm... maybe 100 channels or so? haven't counted |
| [04:59:18] | wagnerrp: | recording schedules dont make much different |
| [04:59:24] | wagnerrp: | neither do recordings |
| [04:59:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | My db backup is only 644MB |
| [04:59:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [04:59:40] | wagnerrp: | and while oldrecorded continues to grow, thats not very much either |
| [04:59:57] | wagnerrp: | the two biggies are the guide data, which is fairly static in size |
| [05:00:00] | bcgrown: | my channel listings are also doubled since i have one source for analog channels and one for digital |
| [05:00:09] | wagnerrp: | and the seekdata, which scales based off your number of recordings |
| [05:00:20] | bcgrown: | though the analog guide data has a lot less channels |
| [05:00:42] | bcgrown: | but anyway.. "seems a bit big" makes me feel better than "that's way too small" :) |
| [05:01:00] | wagnerrp: | but its 14MB, who cares about that much space |
| [05:01:06] | bcgrown: | oh i don't care about the space |
| [05:01:11] | bcgrown: | i just want to make sure i've done it right |
| [05:01:25] | wagnerrp: | even at 644MB, who cares about that much space |
| [05:01:36] | wagnerrp: | although im sure that takes a LONG time to decompress and insert |
| [05:01:43] | bcgrown: | ^^ see above |
| [05:03:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | bcgrown: For comparison, I've got 906 rows in my channel table, 19261 in my oldrecorded, etc... I've been running myth for years, and have 1451 recordings and 200+ videos online right now... ;-) |
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| [05:04:39] | wagnerrp: | videos dont take much, neither does oldrecorded |
| [05:04:59] | wagnerrp: | but those 1451 recordings (with seekdata) are killer |
| [05:05:04] | ver: | meh, perspective. my pvr only has 1.5tb, and it fills up fast. |
| [05:05:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and the guide data for 906 channels... |
| [05:05:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, two weeks of that, probably some 300–400k shows |
| [05:06:14] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine how long your MFD runs are |
| [05:06:24] | markl_: | what time zone are you guys in? |
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| [05:06:35] | markl_: | mountain here |
| [05:06:42] | wagnerrp: | and your scheduler, must take half a minute |
| [05:06:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehehe... select count(*) from program = 482294 ;-) |
| [05:06:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | markl_: Eastern. ;-) |
| [05:06:58] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: lot of half-hour shows then |
| [05:07:11] | markl_: | a night owl eh |
| [05:07:28] | wagnerrp: | what? the day is still young |
| [05:07:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: probably — Dish "Top 250" – and OTA ATSC, and an IPTV stb. |
| [05:07:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | markl_: Occasionally on the weekend... ;-) But I'm getting old, so I can't do it all the time anymore... |
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| [05:13:20] | bcgrown: | markl_: pacific |
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| [05:18:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: it takes mythfilldatabase about 25 minutes to run on my system... ;-) |
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| [05:48:30] | dan__t: | Hrm this frontend keeps trying to hit 127.0.0.1, thinking that is its backend. |
| [05:49:54] | dan__t: | And that who;e "Could not connect to the master backend server" thing repeats. |
| [05:49:59] | sphery: | dan__t: if you have more than one host, you can't use 127.0.0.1 or localhost anywhere in the config |
| [05:50:15] | sphery: | run mythtv-setup on all hosts and in General settings set the hostnames and ip addresses correctly |
| [05:50:23] | dan__t: | oh really. |
| [05:50:25] | dan__t: | ok. |
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| [05:56:52] | bcgrown: | copying 88GB at 19MB/sec :( |
| [05:57:02] | wagnerrp: | so slow... |
| [05:57:13] | bcgrown: | external 2.5" USB drive |
| [05:57:49] | bcgrown: | lots of little files |
| [05:58:00] | bcgrown: | makes me sad |
| [05:58:51] | dserban: | bcgrown, in bc? |
| [06:03:22] | bcgrown: | how'd you guess? |
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| [06:06:32] | dserban: | lol |
| [06:06:38] | dserban: | interior/coast? |
| [06:06:48] | dserban: | it's cool that someone else runs myth... "nearby" |
| [06:07:40] | wagnerrp: | dserban: figure theres at least several dozen myth users in any major metropolitan area |
| [06:07:45] | bcgrown: | i am not at liberty to divulge specific location information |
| [06:07:59] | dserban: | :o lol, that's fine |
| [06:08:08] | bcgrown: | not that it would be hard for you to figure out |
| [06:08:17] | dserban: | wagnerrp, I'm not in a major metro area |
| [06:08:21] | dserban: | bcgrown, already did |
| [06:08:38] | bcgrown is now known as abgrown | |
| [06:08:41] | abgrown: | ha! now what, sucka? |
| [06:09:16] | dserban: | Address: 300–112 E 3rd Ave. |
| [06:09:16] | dserban: | City: Vancouver |
| [06:09:17] | dserban: | StateProv: BC |
| [06:09:22] | dserban: | :o liar! |
| [06:10:07] | abgrown: | haha |
| [06:10:09] | abgrown: | nice try |
| [06:10:16] | dserban is now known as pturban | |
| [06:10:18] | pturban: | confused? |
| [06:10:36] | abgrown: | nope |
| [06:10:40] | abgrown is now known as bcgrown | |
| [06:10:42] | pturban: | vancouver anyway i messed up when I copied the addy |
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| [06:11:01] | bcgrown: | congratulations, you found my isp's address |
| [06:11:12] | wagnerrp: | dserban: theres several people in here from the BC/Vancouver area |
| [06:11:17] | dserban: | generic enough to answer my query no? |
| [06:11:25] | bcgrown: | yep |
| [06:11:27] | wagnerrp: | and several more in the seattle area (including a couple devs) |
| [06:11:28] | dserban: | wagnerrp, ahh, wasn't aware |
| [06:11:51] | bcgrown: | does anybody have an estimate of mythtv's userbase? |
| [06:11:59] | bcgrown: | obviously it would be hard to get an accurate count |
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| [06:12:29] | wagnerrp: | most estimates put it somewhere in the 10s of thousands |
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| [06:13:38] | bcgrown: | not bad |
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| [06:19:03] | dan__t: | Hah, ok, things are working well now. |
| [06:19:05] | dan__t: | I'm pumped. |
| [06:19:25] | dan__t: | So playing around with DVD options, seems I need to run mythfrontend from the machine that has an optical drive |
| [06:20:02] | dan__t: | Can I queue up a copy of the family's home movies from the backend server itself? do i always need to fire up mythfrontend, on the backend, to do that? |
| [06:20:38] | wagnerrp: | the backend handles all recording and file management duties |
| [06:20:43] | wagnerrp: | the frontend handles all playback duties |
| [06:20:48] | dan__t: | i understand. |
| [06:20:55] | dan__t: | I understand that, too. |
| [06:21:23] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about using mythvideo to rip dvds? |
| [06:21:24] | dan__t: | So I can't throw a family movie in the backend server itself, which is not my frontend in this case, and use *a* frontend to go tell that backend to do its thing? |
| [06:21:29] | dan__t: | yep. |
| [06:21:39] | wagnerrp: | no, that has to be performed on the frontend |
| [06:21:49] | dan__t: | er backend |
| [06:22:59] | dan__t: | that has to be preformed on the backend |
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| [06:24:18] | dan__t: | so i can't be as lazy as i want |
| [06:24:34] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo only exists on the frontend |
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| [06:24:44] | wagnerrp: | so mythvideo's dvd ripping capacity only exists on the frontend |
| [06:25:54] | dan__t: | oic |
| [06:26:08] | dan__t: | How does that content find its way back to the backend? |
| [06:26:29] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont really know |
| [06:26:38] | wagnerrp: | never used mythvideo's dvd ripping |
| [06:26:39] | dan__t: | np |
| [06:26:41] | dserban: | via the network protocol |
| [06:26:54] | dan__t: | figured, just curious. |
| [06:26:54] | dan__t: | thanks. |
| [06:26:59] | wagnerrp: | dserban: no, not so much |
| [06:27:17] | dan__t: | Kinda bummed that my blasters didn't come today |
| [06:27:18] | wagnerrp: | the network protocol supports reading from anywhere, but can only write to the root of a storage group |
| [06:27:26] | dan__t: | I can't actually test watching real TV on this setup. |
| [06:27:27] | dserban: | wagnerrp, no? I thought sg's were the target |
| [06:27:30] | dan__t: | Well I guess I could..... |
| [06:27:46] | dan__t: | I could just change the STB to one channel. And watch like CSI all night. But that's boring. |
| [06:27:52] | wagnerrp: | that works fine for artwork where you dont need to put it in a folder tree |
| [06:28:21] | wagnerrp: | but for ripping, im sure it requires at least local file access |
| [06:28:55] | dan__t: | Its a lot of data, that's why I just assumed it only happened on the backend. |
| [06:29:10] | dserban: | hmm it's been ages for me ... .20 since I did a rip via the frontend |
| [06:29:22] | dan__t: | How do you normally do it? |
| [06:29:42] | waxhead: | anyone running a diskless mythbuntu frontend? |
| [06:30:51] | waxhead: | I'm having a heck of a time getting the nvidia driver installed and running... the nouveau driver removed... |
| [06:32:40] | waxhead: | I have black listed the nouveau driver too |
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| [06:36:31] | bcgrown: | ok i am not waiting for these last 15,000 files to get copied... good night folks |
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| [07:09:41] | wagnerrp: | whats with the using one account to open another account on the wiki? |
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| [07:18:43] | bobboau: | I have a compatability problem between a new mythbuntu server I just set up and all my mint 8 desktops, mythbuntu uses version 0.23 mythtv, while mint only has version 0.22, installing from source is an option filled with pain, suffering, dependency hell and lack of any update support. is there a way i could maybe install the front end from the 10.04 ubuntu repos or something? mint is effectively 9.10 |
| [07:21:06] | wagnerrp: | if you have myth installed, you should already have all the dependencies you need |
| [07:21:19] | wagnerrp: | installing myth should be nothing more than a './configure; make; make install' |
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| [07:33:44] | bobboau: | yeah, it complains about qmake, then after I install that in complains about freetype, haveing the front end installed via repos does not install the source dependencies and I do not see a source package in the repos. |
| [07:35:10] | bobboau: | maybe I missed it though... |
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| [07:47:38] | jstenback: | anyone else here seeing choppy playback on an ION system and the new drivers (195.x)? |
| [07:48:08] | jstenback: | works wonderfully here with driver version 190.53, but none of the newer ones seem to work |
| [07:48:14] | jstenback: | using VDPAU |
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| [07:49:05] | jstenback: | if I disable the deinterlacer in myth, 1080i content plays back "ok", but with Temporal 1x, which works fine with the old driver, is completely unusable |
| [07:49:25] | dan__t: | welp. i'm not happy. this is a drag. |
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| [08:13:05] | dan__t: | welp time to get drunk and throw this box away. |
| [08:13:12] | dan__t: | thanks anyway for the help guys. 'night. |
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| [08:53:28] | bobboau: | is there a way to configure the front end to not completely take over the interface (i.e. run in a window)? ideally a way to toggle between the two modes while running. |
| [08:53:42] | wagnerrp: | yes, no |
| [08:53:58] | wagnerrp: | 'mythfrontend --windowed' |
| [08:54:11] | wagnerrp: | or set it as the default in the appearance settings |
| [08:56:47] | gbee: | does anyone know of a decent xml+dtd validator? |
| [08:57:21] | gbee: | I've been using www.xmlvalidation.com but it's choking on my parameter entities |
| [08:58:22] | gbee: | and it doesn't give enough information for some errors meaning you spend ages looking for an issue which is apparently _somewhere_ in a large xml block |
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| [09:16:35] | Cervera_AFK: | hey, i started getting an error while trying to wach livetv: |
| [09:16:39] | Cervera_AFK: | "error: mythtv is using all inputs" |
| [09:16:52] | Cervera_AFK: | "but there are no active recordings?" |
| [09:17:10] | Cervera_AFK is now known as Cervera | |
| [09:17:17] | Cervera: | anyone knows about this problem? |
| [09:18:04] | bobboau: | ok, I think I've got everything working except it seems to be stuck in slow motion, I've tried useing 'u' and 'j' to change playback speeds and it says it's playing at normal speed, and fast forwarding kills the sound, right now everyone sounds like a go'uld |
| [09:18:08] | Cervera: | now, if i restart the backend, error dissapears, but i still can't access the card. just throws me back into menu |
| [09:23:16] | Cervera: | where can i find backend logs? |
| [09:26:15] | oobe: | Cervera, possible issue is you need to setup your video sources for each input in mythtv-setup |
| [09:26:34] | oobe: | you can check your backend logs at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [09:28:20] | Cervera: | well, here's the log: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/zBt3JKfA |
| [09:29:02] | Cervera: | guess i messed up the database when i tried to change settings in my ecternal grabber |
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| [09:29:13] | Cervera: | external ^^ |
| [09:32:00] | Cervera: | and one more problem: mythweb stopped working today, it's running on apache2? where can i find a log for troubleshooting that too? |
| [09:32:25] | xris: | Cervera: wherever you told apache to log to? |
| [09:35:47] | bobboau: | ok, my playback is in slow motion, I'm fairly sure it's not simply playing back in slow motion, I have a seperate front and back end. |
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| [09:41:28] | Cervera: | xris – i didn't i use the mythbuntu distro it had a mythweb option in mythbuntu control panel. just enabled it |
| [09:41:33] | Cervera: | and it worked for some time |
| [09:41:57] | Cervera: | up untill electricity went down and computer restarted |
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| [09:55:28] | oobe: | well that would be why your database is having problems |
| [09:55:39] | Cervera: | what ways do i have to edit channels list? mythweb stopped working, and through backend gui it's frustrating |
| [09:55:51] | oobe: | mythweb is most likely not loading cause the database is screwed |
| [09:56:00] | Cervera: | oh |
| [09:56:05] | Cervera: | that explains |
| [09:56:14] | oobe: | if you have a good backup system in place for mythconverg |
| [09:56:20] | Cervera: | so – fix db -> both problems solved |
| [09:56:28] | oobe: | should do yes |
| [09:56:40] | Cervera: | oobe: i prefer rebuilding databse |
| [09:56:41] | oobe: | i would check if you have any recent backups of your database |
| [09:56:57] | oobe: | Cervera, you should still backup |
| [09:57:00] | Cervera: | i use an external xml for EPG |
| [09:57:12] | oobe: | and mythbuntu packages setup a cronjob that does that for you |
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| [09:57:27] | oobe: | so? |
| [09:57:55] | Cervera: | i didn't configure the channels right in there |
| [09:58:02] | Cervera: | so backups wont help |
| [09:58:21] | oobe: | well not if you only have backups of a poorly misconfigured system |
| [09:58:23] | Cervera: | i mean restoring old backups nw |
| [09:58:42] | Cervera: | i' |
| [09:58:48] | Cervera: | ll try rebuilding |
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| [10:00:37] | oobe: | how do you mean rebuild |
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| [10:07:52] | Cervera: | well, yesterday somebody helped my here figure out how to make channel listings (i'm out of the us) |
| [10:08:23] | Cervera: | i have to use mythfilldatabase --file |
| [10:08:46] | oobe: | ok well that wont help then |
| [10:09:04] | Cervera: | okay.. |
| [10:09:53] | Cervera: | so, what happeded that messed up the database? the only thing i changed (for starters) was the website the grabber used |
| [10:10:24] | Cervera: | now, the database seems to be fine enough for me to see the EPG from frontend |
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| [10:12:59] | Cervera: | oobe: can you give me a lead on how to fix the db? |
| [10:13:52] | oobe: | i would consider looking for any system backups then looking for docs on restoring the database |
| [10:14:10] | Cervera: | okay |
| [10:15:21] | Cervera: | oobe: are you sure it isn't better to build the database from scratch? it still doesn't hold anything, except garbage from tests |
| [10:15:37] | oobe: | look if you feel that way |
| [10:15:41] | ** Cervera doesn't realy know how to rebuild the db either ** | |
| [10:15:49] | oobe: | you can just drop the database and start from scratch |
| [10:15:49] | Cervera: | :/ |
| [10:16:12] | oobe: | which is easier if you havent used mythtv much and are just learning and dont have loads of recordings and preferences saved |
| [10:16:31] | oobe: | but that usually isnt the case |
| [10:16:38] | Cervera: | i have only ONE recording and it's a test too |
| [10:16:43] | oobe: | that is why there is a system for backing and and restoring |
| [10:16:56] | Cervera: | okay okay, i'll restore |
| [10:16:56] | oobe: | which is completely different to scanning in channels etc. |
| [10:17:11] | Cervera: | lol |
| [10:17:29] | oobe: | you can just drop the database and start again if you like |
| [10:17:47] | oobe: | but if you do expect to redo every single thing you have already done |
| [10:18:00] | oobe: | if you wanna look for backups there might be some in /var/backups/ |
| [10:18:35] | Cervera: | ls /var/backups/ |
| [10:18:35] | Cervera: | dpkg.status.0 group.bak gshadow.bak passwd.bak shadow.bak |
| [10:18:43] | oobe: | also check if you have cronjobs setup in /etc/cron.weekly i.e this file /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database |
| [10:18:58] | oobe: | no i guess you dont have that option anyway |
| [10:19:17] | bobboau: | when myth plays in slow motion or fast forward does it disable sound by default? |
| [10:19:20] | oobe: | locate mythconverg.sql |
| [10:19:34] | oobe: | bobboau, yes |
| [10:19:45] | oobe: | it doesnt play sounds when it ffwd |
| [10:19:49] | oobe: | i dont know about slow mo |
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| [10:20:33] | Cervera: | oobe: where should i look? /etc? |
| [10:20:33] | bobboau: | ok, so that means the fact that i can hear sound while playing means that my slow mo problem is not simply the player playing in slow motion |
| [10:20:54] | oobe: | i just told you before |
| [10:21:24] | oobe: | <oobe> locate mythconverg.sql |
| [10:21:32] | oobe: | <oobe> also check if you have cronjobs setup in /etc/cron.weekly i.e this file /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database |
| [10:21:54] | oobe: | if you dont have a cronjob setup to backup the database then its unlikely that you have any backups |
| [10:22:03] | oobe: | unless you did it manually which you didnt |
| [10:22:07] | Cervera: | i saw that, i meant where can i find mythconverg.sql except in /var/backups/? |
| [10:22:45] | oobe: | no where if you havent backed up the database |
| [10:22:48] | Cervera: | well /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database exists |
| [10:22:58] | oobe: | open it read it |
| [10:23:11] | oobe: | see where the backups are meant to be saved |
| [10:23:15] | oobe: | check that location |
| [10:23:51] | Cervera: | i'm in ssh, so, what keyword should i use for grep? |
| [10:24:49] | Cervera: | oh, it's small, sorry |
| [10:25:11] | oobe: | that is in my old file BACKUP="/var/backups/$DBNAME.sql.gz" |
| [10:25:11] | oobe: | |
| [10:25:11] | oobe: | i wouldnt bother using grep its not a big file |
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| [10:25:43] | Cervera: | here it is: /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl |
| [10:27:10] | Cervera: | and i have mythconverg_restore.pl in there too |
| [10:27:18] | Cervera: | what do i do with those files? |
| [10:27:53] | Cervera: | oobe ^^ |
| [10:28:40] | oobe: | thats a script to backup your database |
| [10:34:25] | Cervera: | well i guess it didn't backup anything yet (it's only 2 days old) |
| [10:35:16] | Cervera: | weird thing is that fronend can access the database for previous recordings, epg, scheduled recordings |
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| [10:41:35] | benh: | Hi folks ! |
| [10:41:53] | benh: | anybody has experience setting up myth backend to grab udp streams ? |
| [10:42:06] | benh: | I'm using "network recorder" and trying to make up a m3u file |
| [10:42:24] | benh: | something simple for now, basically along the lines of |
| [10:42:25] | benh: | #EXTM3U |
| [10:42:25] | benh: | #EXTINF:0,2 – ABC 1 |
| [10:42:25] | benh: | udp://239.193.0.2:8208 |
| [10:42:36] | benh: | but when I do a "scan" with that, it seems to hang |
| [10:43:00] | benh: | all controls in mythtv setup are grayed out like it's doing the scan... but nothing happen, I have to kill it |
| [10:43:18] | benh: | this is the mythbuntu version btw, so 0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2 |
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| [10:44:44] | benh: | I verified that otherwise, things work, ie, vlc udp://@239.193.0.2:8208 works |
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| [11:06:59] | benh: | ok, so it didn;t like the content of my m3u (doesn't like blank lines) |
| [11:06:59] | benh: | and it hangs when it thinks there's 0 channels in there :-) |
| [11:07:50] | benh: | now, I need to figure out if it can strip out whatever data comes up in the first few scanlines of the stream |
| [11:07:51] | benh: | there's some program guide data in there I think but myth doesn't seem to have the option to do EPG on network streams |
| [11:10:42] | benh: | either that or it's some other text crap, anyways, should be reasonably standard stuff |
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| [11:47:12] | Cervera: | hey, where can i find the sql folder that holds mc.sql? just dropped my db and want to create a new one so i can import a backup |
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| [12:14:13] | poppeye: | hi, i'm working on a new mythtv setup, and i think i almost have it all going (had some troubles with the mysql database setup). but when i run the frontend it says cannot connect to backend is it running? So i looked at the system logs and it is continuously reporting this message: |
| [12:14:16] | poppeye: | May 8 08:13:49 tim-desktop init: mythtv-backend main process (3974) terminated with status 254 |
| [12:14:18] | poppeye: | May 8 08:13:49 tim-desktop init: mythtv-backend main process ended, respawning |
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| [12:15:30] | gbee: | kill the init script, then run mythtv-backend from the command line |
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| [12:22:09] | poppeye: | i'm sorry, could you help me with the commands to do that from the command line/ |
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| [12:32:53] | gbee: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop |
| [12:32:58] | gbee: | mythbackend |
| [12:33:24] | gbee: | alternatively you could look at the backend log to see why it was failing to start |
| [12:33:29] | oobe: | they messed with init.d in *buntu now it uses upstart |
| [12:33:44] | oobe: | which respawns a process once its killed |
| [12:33:55] | gbee: | tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [12:33:59] | oobe: | service mythbackend stop should work |
| [12:34:08] | gbee: | oobe: the init script still works |
| [12:34:16] | oobe: | maybe /etc/init.d/mythbackend still does too |
| [12:34:20] | oobe: | yea i wasnt sure |
| [12:34:29] | oobe: | it somtimes didnt for me |
| [12:34:36] | oobe: | was all messed up with symlinks |
| [12:34:50] | poppeye: | ok, thank you. by the way, i typed mythbackend and the backend started right up |
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| [12:50:45] | Cervera: | where can i find the sql folder that holds mc.sql? just dropped my db and want to create a new one so i can import a backup |
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| [13:54:01] | iamlindoro: | !trout users google your bug idiot |
| [13:54:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps users with a google your bug idiot trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [13:54:15] | iamlindoro: | or at least, google the error message... |
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| [14:07:25] | gbee: | *sigh* some idiot techie has disabled ssh access to my shared hosting |
| [14:07:41] | Beirdo: | oh wonderful |
| [14:08:27] | ** gbee files a ticket and waits ** | |
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| [14:08:57] | Beirdo: | make sure it contains the appropriate abuse :) |
| [14:10:08] | FlyOnTheWall: | is there any way to set the internal player keybindings so that enter would pause/play instead of (un)setting bookmarks? |
| [14:10:23] | FlyOnTheWall: | I have little use for bookmarks, but I use pause a lot |
| [14:10:46] | FlyOnTheWall: | I can't find where keybind settings anywhere |
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| [14:10:54] | Beirdo: | well, I'm off to go do some laundry |
| [14:11:00] | FlyOnTheWall: | enjoy |
| [14:12:53] | gbee: | FlyOnTheWall: Setup > Edit Keys |
| [14:14:52] | ctmjr: | Hi i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction am running release-0-23-rc1 and the problem is my program guide list the channel lineup in an erratic manner it list channels 4, 24, 67.... in myth-setup i set it to list channels by number, but it does not help am getting my line up from schedules direct and scte65scan to map the channels |
| [14:16:11] | FlyOnTheWall: | gbee, that's where I first had a look, but there was no clear place there |
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| [14:16:55] | FlyOnTheWall: | the video keys don't list a pause button |
| [14:17:19] | iamlindoro: | TV playback |
| [14:17:28] | FlyOnTheWall: | and setting something there overwrites the "select"-key setting in the global settings, which is what enter is by default |
| [14:18:40] | FlyOnTheWall: | hm.. |
| [14:18:40] | FlyOnTheWall: | ok |
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| [14:18:43] | FlyOnTheWall: | it worked |
| [14:18:44] | FlyOnTheWall: | thanks |
| [14:18:55] | FlyOnTheWall: | was afraid it would unbind the select key if I picked it from there |
| [14:19:02] | FlyOnTheWall: | thanks very much gbee and iamlindoro |
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| [14:51:37] | ThisOtherGuy: | hi all |
| [14:52:07] | ThisOtherGuy: | I recently saw a new setting in trunk for not scheduling back to back on the same card – but I can't find the setting in the UI – can anyone help me? |
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| [14:55:19] | dfletcher: | hmm, once in a while IR blasting fails in my system. it misses a digit and borks the recording. anyone else think --count=3 or 4 on irsend would fix this? |
| [14:55:42] | ** dfletcher tempted to just try it ** | |
| [15:00:17] | sphery: | probably the best way to find out |
| [15:00:30] | sphery: | might also be that you need to increase the inter-digit sleep |
| [15:01:04] | dfletcher: | yeah already tweaked that a bit it's already taking 2+ seconds to do 4 digits |
| [15:01:31] | dfletcher: | this box seems stupid sensitive if I go too high it times out |
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| [15:07:32] | dfletcher: | but I'm just remembering what I know of remotes. when you hit a button, you probably send that code 5 to 10 times for the once that the box actually picks it up and uses it |
| [15:07:48] | dfletcher: | so I thought count might help |
| [15:09:01] | ThisOtherGuy: | I found it – it was in Set Recording Priorities on the Frontend |
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| [15:29:36] | ezzieyguywuf: | ok guys. I'm ready to install mythtv on my gentoo box. I still need to go by best buy (or what have you) to get one of these cable cards. I'd like to get some suggestions on one that is supported well in linux, is affordable, and handles hd content. I will be buying 2. |
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| [15:40:04] | ezzieyguywuf: | no? nothing? |
| [15:49:35] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: best bet is probably http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ |
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| [15:49:46] | sphery: | but remember you can only get unencrypted cable |
| [15:50:03] | sphery: | if you want to get the encrypted channels, your only option is analog capture |
| [15:50:19] | sphery: | so you'd use the Hauppauge PVR-150 for standard def or the Hauppauge HD-PVR for high-def. |
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| [17:14:35] | dan__t: | hi. |
| [17:15:09] | dan__t: | schedulesdirect, please let me pull schedules at more than 60k/s |
| [17:15:19] | dan__t: | i dread mythfilldatabase. |
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| [17:18:06] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: why? |
| [17:18:20] | wagnerrp: | it runs in the background, without any human interaction |
| [17:18:23] | dan__t: | Because it takes 15 minutes to download? |
| [17:18:24] | wagnerrp: | it usually runs late at night |
| [17:18:35] | dan__t: | mythtv told me to run it, so i ran it. |
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| [17:18:44] | wagnerrp: | and youre pulling content from 2 weeks out, not anything particularly time imperative |
| [17:19:12] | wagnerrp: | youre not running mfd EVERY time you run mythtv-setup are you? |
| [17:20:25] | wagnerrp: | you only need to run mfd manually if it is the first time ever running it on a new system |
| [17:20:41] | wagnerrp: | or if you added new sources or channels, and want to get guide data for them now |
| [17:23:17] | clever: | start something up |
| [17:23:19] | clever: | oops |
| [17:23:46] | dan__t: | haha i didn't know |
| [17:24:18] | TheAsp: | dan__t: if i tell you to give me $1000, will you do it? :) |
| [17:24:52] | wagnerrp: | i even think the popup says something like 'if this is your first time running myth, you should run mythfilldatabase' |
| [17:24:58] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was something to that effect |
| [17:25:02] | TheAsp: | yeah, i think so |
| [17:27:45] | dan__t: | Well seeing as there's nothing to tell me not to do it.... |
| [17:27:52] | dan__t: | oh well. |
| [17:27:53] | dan__t: | now I know,. |
| [17:28:12] | dan__t: | I got video to work now, I'm watching Flinstones. |
| [17:28:16] | wagnerrp: | think its safe to assume someone talking about 'downloading 1080 H.264 video' for use in mythtv is talking about some ill gotten/ |
| [17:28:40] | dan__t: | heh |
| [17:30:42] | wagnerrp: | does anyone actually offer 1080p video that isnt either behind some TOS saying 'no downloads', or encrypted? |
| [17:33:19] | TheAsp: | aren't some of revision3's shows 1080p? |
| [17:33:40] | dan__t: | wow this is awesome |
| [17:33:48] | TheAsp: | nope, 720p |
| [17:33:49] | dan__t: | kinda pixelated and no sound but i can work on that |
| [17:35:09] | dan__t: | So when I go to play a recording, it sits at the start screen with the big number 1 and "Playback starting somegarbledcharacters", it doesn't go any further. |
| [17:35:26] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: maybe some creative commons movies? |
| [17:35:30] | wagnerrp: | i thought you said it was pixelated |
| [17:35:54] | dan__t: | live tv is, now i'm tlaking about recordings. |
| [17:38:27] | dan__t: | hrm guess it locks up completely.... when i alt-tab out, then back in, mythtv doesn't redraw its window |
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| [17:40:37] | FisherPrice70: | Hey has anyone had any problems with browsing by genre or category in MythVideo? |
| [17:41:54] | dan__t: | ah well, not wasting another saturday on this. |
| [17:41:59] | dan__t: | cya guys on monday, thanks again for the help! |
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| [17:44:52] | bcgrown: | when do I want primary partitions and when do I want logical? |
| [17:45:32] | wagnerrp: | you can have four primary partitions on a disk, you can have as many logical partitions you want on a disk |
| [17:46:01] | bcgrown: | ok, i only want 3 partitions: OS, swap, and recordings |
| [17:46:05] | wagnerrp: | if you have no need for more than four partitions, no sense using logical |
| [17:46:11] | bcgrown: | should i make them all primary? |
| [17:52:36] | bcgrown: | the mythbuntu setup by default sets every partition after the 1st one as logical.. is it trying to tell me something? |
| [17:53:46] | wagnerrp: | nope, they just do it that way rather than have extra code to do it differently if there are more than 4 partitions |
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| [17:54:35] | wagnerrp: | its pretty moot, since fdisk and that form of partitioning are obsolete |
| [17:55:13] | bcgrown: | hrmm.. now that i think about it.. should i have separate partitions for /, /home, /usr/local/, /var ? |
| [17:55:24] | wagnerrp: | if you want, most people dont bother |
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| [17:55:48] | bcgrown: | hm |
| [17:56:08] | bcgrown: | i never have either but since i have to wipe the whole system i may as well get it right this time |
| [17:56:33] | wagnerrp: | my server has a buttload of partitions, primarily because the partitions are dynamic, and the filesystem im using will resize on demand |
| [17:56:46] | wagnerrp: | my linux machines are all just /boot, /, and swap |
| [17:57:14] | bcgrown: | what filesystem does that? |
| [17:57:28] | bcgrown: | xfs? |
| [17:57:32] | wagnerrp: | zfs |
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| [17:57:55] | bcgrown: | solaris? |
| [17:58:00] | wagnerrp: | bsd |
| [17:58:16] | bcgrown: | ah... dynamically resizing partitions would be nice |
| [17:59:28] | wagnerrp: | it only has worth because i can manage, and more importantly snapshot them, independently |
| [18:05:05] | bcgrown: | what fs do people normally use for /boot? |
| [18:05:27] | bjd: | zfs++ |
| [18:05:52] | wagnerrp: | has to be something your bootloader understands |
| [18:05:56] | wagnerrp: | which usually means ext2 |
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| [18:06:13] | wagnerrp: | you can get by with something else |
| [18:06:18] | wagnerrp: | but its such a small partition |
| [18:06:24] | bcgrown: | ext2 is probably the safest though, i'm guessing?> |
| [18:06:24] | wagnerrp: | and used so infrequently |
| [18:06:40] | wagnerrp: | better to just use something safe/reliable/whatever |
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| [18:08:16] | bcgrown: | and for my recordings partition.. the default seems to be ext4, but i've read that some people trust xfs more... what to do? |
| [18:08:58] | wagnerrp: | xfs is just well known |
| [18:09:03] | wagnerrp: | while ext4 is fairly new |
| [18:09:14] | wagnerrp: | i just use zfs for that as well |
| [18:11:22] | bcgrown: | last i read zfs wasn't well supported on linux. has that changed? |
| [18:11:36] | wagnerrp: | no, support through FUSE only |
| [18:11:42] | wagnerrp: | and thats not likely to change any time soon |
| [18:12:04] | wagnerrp: | linux doesnt really like having one program handle that many vertical levels |
| [18:12:16] | wagnerrp: | it wants to separate things out into separate programs |
| [18:12:27] | wagnerrp: | which has advantages and disadvantages |
| [18:12:57] | wagnerrp: | theyre developing their own btrfs, which is supposed to have many of the same capabilities of zfs |
| [18:15:31] | wagnerrp: | supposedly, its coming along pretty nicely |
| [18:15:38] | wagnerrp: | should be a great file system once stable |
| [18:15:41] | wagnerrp: | but thats a long way off |
| [18:16:13] | bcgrown: | hrmm.. reading some forums and stuff. not helping me decide! |
| [18:16:45] | wagnerrp: | xfs, jfs, ext4... they all have their individual quirks, but should probably all be fine for recording storage |
| [18:17:07] | bcgrown: | eenie meenie miney moe |
| [18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | some of the bigger distros have moved over to ext4 as their default FS, so its got to be fairly stable |
| [18:17:30] | bcgrown: | yeah i think i want to use ext4 as it seems to be the most common |
| [18:17:39] | bcgrown: | is 2GB for /var enough? |
| [18:17:45] | wagnerrp: | xfs and jfs are far more common among myth users |
| [18:17:51] | bcgrown: | and 200MB for /boot? |
| [18:17:53] | wagnerrp: | just because theyre much older |
| [18:17:58] | wagnerrp: | 200MB should be fine for boot |
| [18:18:37] | wagnerrp: | 2GB SHOULD be plenty for var |
| [18:18:51] | wagnerrp: | but a number of distros tend to use them for things that IMHO are out of place |
| [18:19:00] | bcgrown: | eh, i'll make it 4 to be safe |
| [18:19:07] | wagnerrp: | gentoo uses /var/tmp as its compile sandbox |
| [18:19:33] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu stuffs all sorts of crap into /var/lib, including webroot and mythtv storage |
| [18:19:57] | bcgrown: | yeah, i've changed mythtv storage to another partition though |
| [18:20:01] | wagnerrp: | i was used to partitioning off 2GB or so for var |
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| [18:20:09] | wagnerrp: | but i had to stop that when i started using gentoo |
| [18:20:28] | bcgrown: | i have filled my hd with logs before, so now i want var to have its own partition |
| [18:20:34] | wagnerrp: | because when i would compile things, it will fill var and cause all sorts of havok |
| [18:20:45] | wagnerrp: | if you filled your partition with logs, youre doing it wrong |
| [18:20:55] | wagnerrp: | you should have log rotation in place |
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| [18:21:14] | bcgrown: | eh, my cpu cooler was installed wrong and i was getting a temp error every second or so |
| [18:21:34] | bcgrown: | so it's a good thing it happened lol |
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| [18:24:22] | wagnerrp: | there was someone several months ago complaining about that on the mailing list |
| [18:24:37] | wagnerrp: | he wanted to know how he could suppress that warning so it wouldnt continue to fill his logs |
| [18:26:15] | bcgrown: | o_o |
| [18:28:06] | ezzieyguywuf: | are all the USE flags mentioned http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV REALLY needed? it seems rather superfluous |
| [18:28:27] | ezzieyguywuf: | sphery: a belated thanks for the link. |
| [18:28:41] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: normally when you compile, the most you might use is '--enable-proc-opts' |
| [18:28:48] | wagnerrp: | gentoo does its own thing |
| [18:29:11] | ezzieyguywuf: | sphery: an I will be using a cable box to decrypt. is the Hauppauge HD-PVR the de facto analog capture card? |
| [18:29:11] | sphery: | heh, good way to put it |
| [18:29:28] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: it's the only one that will do HDTV for Myth |
| [18:29:46] | gbee: | ezzieyguywuf: ./configure --enable-proc-opts; make; make install ... that's all you _need_ |
| [18:29:54] | ezzieyguywuf: | sphery: good to know. is a good card to have? I could forego hd (I guess) for stability/utility |
| [18:30:04] | wagnerrp: | IVTV cards (pvr-150/500/1600) for analog SD, HDPVR for analog HD |
| [18:30:06] | sphery: | It's not bad. It's USB, though |
| [18:30:18] | sphery: | and, yeah, the SDTV versions wagnerrp mentions are good and much cheaper |
| [18:30:19] | ezzieyguywuf: | gbee: hrm. I guess all that other crap is just for, I dunno, "other"? |
| [18:30:43] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: it's to "optimize" your build to the point that it may not work |
| [18:30:44] | gbee: | ezzieyguywuf: unfortunately gentoo types are obsessed with tinkering in ways that tend to be unnecessary and break things |
| [18:30:49] | ezzieyguywuf: | sphery: good, but not better? and usb? really? interesting... |
| [18:31:03] | ezzieyguywuf: | gbee: which distro do you run? if you don't mind be asking |
| [18:31:06] | ezzieyguywuf: | *me |
| [18:31:08] | sphery: | the PVR-1500/500 are SDTV only |
| [18:31:28] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: a great choice for MythTV is any of the MythTV distros--Mythbuntu, MythDora, LinHES |
| [18:31:30] | ezzieyguywuf: | I'm gonna forego all the USE flags and see how things go. |
| [18:31:56] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: dont enable/disable things, just leave your USE variable empty |
| [18:31:58] | gbee: | and the average gentoo tinkerer doesn't really understand what they are doing, it's no surprise that the most support requests related to broken builds come from Gentoo users (well ignoring the OSX/Windows builds) |
| [18:32:00] | wagnerrp: | the defaults should work fine |
| [18:32:04] | sphery: | only down side--for those who aren't used to Ubuntu, Fedora, and Knoppix, respectively--is learning the new distro |
| [18:32:32] | gbee: | ezzieyguywuf: I use Mandriva, although I'm in the minority here, most popular is Ubuntu followed by something like OpenSuse or Fedora |
| [18:32:36] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: yea that's what I'm gonna try |
| [18:32:38] | ezzieyguywuf: | bare-bones system |
| [18:32:51] | ezzieyguywuf: | I used to use ubuntu and changed over to gentoo |
| [18:32:56] | sphery: | note that compiling with only --enable-proc-opts is /not/ a bare-bones compile |
| [18:32:59] | sphery: | it's a proper compile :) |
| [18:33:24] | ezzieyguywuf: | sphery: lol. I dunno what --enable-proc-opts is, but I assume that the ebuild will do it for me. would you mind explaining what it does for me? |
| [18:33:27] | sphery: | using a ton of --enable/--disable flags is a "I'm smarter than the configure script which was designed by the people who actually wrote MythTV" build |
| [18:33:34] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: normally configure goes through, tests your system, and figures out on its own what it wants to do |
| [18:33:51] | wagnerrp: | gentoo forcefully overrides most of those checks, and specifies things manually |
| [18:33:52] | FisherPrice70: | Hey has anyone had any problems with browsing by genre or category in MythVideo? |
| [18:34:09] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: it just tells configure that you want an optimized build. The configure script chooses the most-appropriate arch/cpu/tune options |
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| [18:34:20] | sphery: | the Gentoo e-build does it their own way--and often chooses wrong |
| [18:34:37] | gbee: | ezzieyguywuf: it just enables processor specific compiler optimisations, though don't get any grand ideas that things will run 10x faster and use 50% less CPU, we're talking milliseconds here or there |
| [18:34:38] | sphery: | and creates non-working or, at the least, slower builds in the name of "optimization" |
| [18:34:46] | wagnerrp: | it chooses the arch that the user has specified in their make.conf, which may not be valid for use |
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| [18:35:10] | ezzieyguywuf: | sphery: I'm familiar with ./configure . I'm also comfortable with an ebuild taking a ./configure, and modifying it if necessary. not all programmers are created equally you know. |
| [18:35:15] | wagnerrp: | for instance, a while back there was some issue with the value gentoo would specify if you were running a 32-bit system |
| [18:35:37] | wagnerrp: | caused it to fail on some of the hand coded asm in ffmpeg |
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| [18:36:33] | wagnerrp: | hah |
| [18:36:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you should check out that gentoo wiki page |
| [18:36:58] | ezzieyguywuf: | plus, its better than a precompiled binary that I would get from apt-get etc... I'd rather have the option of re-building with different USE flags than having to wait 6 months for a different package |
| [18:37:07] | wagnerrp: | specifically the warning at the top |
| [18:38:10] | FisherPrice70: | My Browse by Category was working, but now :S it's not |
| [18:38:17] | FisherPrice70: | it's frustrating |
| [18:38:30] | FisherPrice70: | there's no errors in the frontend log |
| [18:38:34] | FisherPrice70: | and none in the backend |
| [18:40:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: which page? |
| [18:40:47] | wagnerrp: | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV |
| [18:40:58] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: in MythVideo? |
| [18:41:00] | ezzieyguywuf: | wait, if I use an analog capture card, can I still record two shows at once? |
| [18:41:12] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: if you have /two/ analog capture cards, sure |
| [18:41:18] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: yeah, mythvideo |
| [18:41:34] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: but I'd need two cable boxes right? |
| [18:41:43] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record two things at once, yes |
| [18:41:48] | ezzieyguywuf: | poop. |
| [18:41:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, "I only had warnings within personal*.MYI files..." Funny since there are no mythconverg.personal* tables |
| [18:42:16] | ezzieyguywuf: | and the ONLY way to get access to all the channels is to use a cable box right? because even if I had a cable card, it wouldn' be able to decode the signal properly? |
| [18:42:17] | wagnerrp: | i was more looking at the 'follow these ungodly lengthy instructions for the few commands needed' |
| [18:42:28] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:42:28] | FisherPrice70: | ezzieyguywuf: unless you have a card with two tuners |
| [18:42:36] | wagnerrp: | seems the gentoo types only actually want to learn |
| [18:42:40] | wagnerrp: | they just want to copy-paste |
| [18:42:44] | sphery: | exactly |
| [18:42:58] | ezzieyguywuf: | now, what if my cable box has a coax out. can I assume that sends a decoded cable signal out, and then split it, and then send it to two cable cards on my comp? |
| [18:43:04] | FisherPrice70: | ezzieyguywuf: sometimes a tuner card will allow you to record two shows, as long as they come interlaced from the same channel |
| [18:43:19] | ezzieyguywuf: | FisherPrice70: I don't want to be bothered by that restriction |
| [18:43:44] | FisherPrice70: | ezzieyguywuf: though I don't know how it works with a cable modem..... |
| [18:43:44] | wagnerrp: | FisherPrice70: i dont think you mean what youre saying |
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| [18:44:08] | FisherPrice70: | wagnerrp: well, it depends on the teminology, I don't know if I have it right |
| [18:44:14] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: right, there's no cable card support for *any* tuners supported in V4L-DVB, though, so Cable Card isn't an option, now. |
| [18:44:23] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: you do not want to use the coaxial out of a STB |
| [18:44:32] | FisherPrice70: | I have a tuner card with two tuners for DVB-T |
| [18:44:39] | sphery: | ezzieyguywuf: so you'll need one STB and one analog capture card for each concurrent recording you wish to have on "premium" channels |
| [18:44:40] | ezzieyguywuf: | I don't know what v4l-dvb is or stb |
| [18:44:44] | FisherPrice70: | I can record up to 4 shows at a time.... |
| [18:44:48] | wagnerrp: | it will not be digital, it will at most be a remodulated RF signal with the video output of the STB |
| [18:44:52] | sphery: | STB = set-top-box |
| [18:44:59] | wagnerrp: | you will have much better quality just pulling off the svideo output |
| [18:45:13] | ezzieyguywuf: | svideo output of the STB? |
| [18:45:16] | sphery: | V4L-DVB = the APIs that provide driver support for GNU/Linux capture devices: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki |
| [18:45:19] | wagnerrp: | yes, the cable box |
| [18:46:00] | sphery: | and if you have a "free" DTA that only has RF-modulated output, you might want to just get the rental STB, instead |
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| [18:46:08] | wagnerrp: | interlaced video means that at 60fields/sec, each field only contains the data for half a frame |
| [18:46:14] | ezzieyguywuf: | ok. so I'll need two STB and two analog capture cards. hm this is getting rather tricky... |
| [18:46:21] | wagnerrp: | digital broadcasts are not interlaced |
| [18:46:28] | wagnerrp: | theyre just compressed mpeg streams |
| [18:46:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, and the link to the instructions /skips/ all of the description/information about what is broken on their systems |
| [18:46:43] | FisherPrice70: | yeah terminology is probably wrong |
| [18:46:44] | wagnerrp: | and they may contain multiple compressed streams in one broadcast |
| [18:46:55] | FisherPrice70: | that's more right probably |
| [18:46:56] | wagnerrp: | often called a 'multiplex' |
| [18:47:02] | bcgrown: | ezzieyguywuf: look for a dual-tuner analog card like pvr-500 |
| [18:47:15] | dewman: | ezzieyguywuf, if I can get a system up...anyone can.... =) |
| [18:47:25] | ezzieyguywuf: | bcgrown: dual-tuner? |
| [18:47:25] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners can then pull one or more channels out from those streams simultaneously |
| [18:47:33] | wagnerrp: | allowing you to record multiple things from one tuner |
| [18:47:48] | bcgrown: | ezzieyguywuf: the pvr-500 has two tv tuners so it's basically two cards in one. allowing you to record two analog channels at atime |
| [18:48:07] | ezzieyguywuf: | but it can only tune to basic cable right? |
| [18:48:14] | ezzieyguywuf: | not to encrypted channels? |
| [18:48:18] | bcgrown: | yes, analog cable only |
| [18:48:29] | wagnerrp: | unless those encrypted channels are routed through your STB |
| [18:48:30] | ezzieyguywuf: | thats like, channels 1–25 :-P |
| [18:48:39] | FisherPrice70: | wagnerrp: I expect that the cable tv channels won't work that way |
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| [18:48:54] | wagnerrp: | at which point you use the STB as an external tuner, and capture off the svideo output |
| [18:48:57] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: yes. precicely |
| [18:49:00] | ezzieyguywuf: | er, sp |
| [18:49:19] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: is there really no other way to do it? |
| [18:49:30] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:49:47] | wagnerrp: | you can thank/firebomb cablelabs for that |
| [18:49:47] | FisherPrice70: | tis a shame really |
| [18:49:51] | ezzieyguywuf: | rats. how does TiVo do it? |
| [18:49:58] | bcgrown: | ezzieyguywuf: some STB's have a firewire output but most places in the US have it disabled |
| [18:49:59] | wagnerrp: | tivo uses cablecards |
| [18:50:14] | ezzieyguywuf: | what is a cablecard |
| [18:50:19] | Wicked: | so what do you guys think about http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/07/fcc-hands-hollywood.html ? |
| [18:50:19] | ezzieyguywuf: | and why can't I put one in my computer |
| [18:50:27] | wagnerrp: | the cablecard is all the modular decryption package that the STB normally contains |
| [18:50:35] | wagnerrp: | you can put one in your computer |
| [18:50:47] | bcgrown: | i've done a fresh install of mythbuntu... do i need to run mythtv-setup before i restore my database backup? |
| [18:51:06] | wagnerrp: | and again, thanks to cablelabs, you can only use one on a system that provides a complete protected video path from the RF input all the way to your display |
| [18:51:23] | wagnerrp: | at no point can the content be encrypted in accessible memory on your system |
| [18:51:27] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: any thoughts on my question? |
| [18:51:31] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: but at least that way, I only have to have ONE STB to get twe streams, right? |
| [18:51:34] | wagnerrp: | and that just doesnt bode well with mythtv, linux, or open source in general |
| [18:51:55] | wagnerrp: | s/encrypted/unencrypted/ |
| [18:51:56] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: I couldn't analog-out then analog-in it? |
| [18:52:17] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: one STB is going to have one analog output |
| [18:52:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand how you can make that into two streams |
| [18:52:34] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: I missed the question |
| [18:52:37] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: I thought we were talking about the cable card, in my computer |
| [18:52:42] | ezzieyguywuf: | I must have misunderstood something. |
| [18:52:46] | sphery: | I was working on a patch for MythTV on another screen |
| [18:52:47] | ezzieyguywuf: | I g2g now though, I'll be back later |
| [18:52:59] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: cablecard support in linux/mythtv would be fantastic |
| [18:53:04] | wagnerrp: | but it will never happen |
| [18:53:07] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: ah, the browse mode... |
| [18:53:13] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: ya |
| [18:53:18] | sphery: | I didn't reply to that one because I don't know MythVideo |
| [18:53:22] | FisherPrice70: | kk |
| [18:53:24] | FisherPrice70: | np |
| [18:53:30] | sphery: | I'd guess, though, that your metadata changed and you no longer have categories specified. |
| [18:53:33] | wagnerrp: | for the simple fact that cablecard requires that your PC not actually have access to the decrypted content |
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| [18:53:48] | sphery: | are you running any 3rd-party scripts to insert metadata |
| [18:53:49] | FisherPrice70: | weird thing is, I've got heaps... |
| [18:53:56] | FisherPrice70: | nope, no 3rd party |
| [18:54:02] | sphery: | i.e. other than things like Jamu and tmdb.py... |
| [18:54:12] | FisherPrice70: | nope |
| [18:54:21] | FisherPrice70: | I'm using the mythvideo interface |
| [18:54:39] | wagnerrp: | ezzieyguywuf: TiVo runs linux, but can use cablecards because they offload the entire decryption/decoding/output pipeline to a dedicated series of hardware, and the linux system never has access to the content |
| [18:54:50] | wagnerrp: | they just issue commands to the decode hardware |
| [18:54:54] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: then perhaps you've turned on the "don't use metadata, just look at the filesystem" mode and so you've disabled the metadata browse modes |
| [18:55:11] | FisherPrice70: | ??? |
| [18:55:17] | FisherPrice70: | where's that? |
| [18:55:24] | wagnerrp: | 'm' menu |
| [18:55:25] | sphery: | somewhere in mythvideo settings |
| [18:55:29] | sphery: | or there |
| [18:55:29] | wagnerrp: | enable/disable browse mode |
| [18:55:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: knows mv much better than I |
| [18:55:42] | wagnerrp: | you want browse mode disabled |
| [18:55:54] | FisherPrice70: | I think I've found it |
| [18:56:00] | wagnerrp: | browse mode means it works off a transient image of the folder tree |
| [18:56:00] | FisherPrice70: | don't know when I did that |
| [18:56:05] | wagnerrp: | rather than that stored in the database |
| [18:56:25] | FisherPrice70: | yeah confirmed, I don't know when or why I did that |
| [18:56:27] | FisherPrice70: | :S |
| [18:56:29] | FisherPrice70: | thanks |
| [18:58:37] | FisherPrice70: | I've just upgraded to mythtv 0.23 |
| [18:58:43] | FisherPrice70: | it's pretty nice |
| [18:58:51] | FisherPrice70: | I think it's better than 0.22 |
| [18:58:58] | wagnerrp: | thats the hope |
| [18:59:42] | FisherPrice70: | for the first time in two years I was adventurous and had two remote front ends working... one on my kubuntu machine, and one working off of the livecd |
| [18:59:53] | FisherPrice70: | did that yesterday |
| [18:59:58] | FisherPrice70: | worked like a charm |
| [19:01:01] | FisherPrice70: | question, does MCE have the ability for remote front ends? |
| [19:01:10] | bjd: | fisher price, my first mythtv |
| [19:01:17] | wagnerrp: | sorta... they have media center extenders |
| [19:01:22] | wagnerrp: | not exactly the same thing |
| [19:01:22] | FisherPrice70: | ahh |
| [19:01:40] | FisherPrice70: | bjd: how long have you used it? |
| [19:04:09] | sphery: | wow, I feel like a blind pig with a truffle |
| [19:04:24] | FisherPrice70: | lol, "Ice Age:The Meltdown" is in the "Disaster" genre |
| [19:04:25] | sphery: | as little as I know about MythVideo, and I guessed the right cause |
| [19:04:32] | FisherPrice70: | lol |
| [19:04:58] | FisherPrice70: | see, you must know more about mythvideo than you think you know |
| [19:04:58] | wagnerrp: | FisherPrice70: sure, its an extinction level event |
| [19:05:05] | wagnerrp: | FisherPrice70: he doesnt use it |
| [19:05:07] | FisherPrice70: | lol |
| [19:05:07] | wagnerrp: | ever |
| [19:05:11] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: Global Warming |
| [19:05:24] | sphery: | it was a problem even back at the end of the ice age |
| [19:05:38] | FisherPrice70: | but it's a deamworks animation :O |
| [19:05:43] | sphery: | I'm sure someone could fake a hockey-stick graph to prove it |
| [19:05:48] | FisherPrice70: | I just find it funny |
| [19:08:33] | FisherPrice70: | so sphery, do you develop for the tv side? |
| [19:15:09] | FisherPrice70: | wagnerrp: I've noticed that when bookmarking a m4v in mythvideo it can crash... I had friends around when it happened last time... |
| [19:15:22] | FisherPrice70: | so I couldn't look at the logs |
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| [19:25:25] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: yeah, I just do tv stuff--and mainly backend stuff |
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| [19:27:38] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: cool, are you one of the main developers, or have you come in later? |
| [19:27:55] | sphery: | I'm a recent guy |
| [19:28:00] | FisherPrice70: | cool |
| [19:28:09] | FisherPrice70: | it's always good to have new minds in a team |
| [19:28:25] | FisherPrice70: | fresh etc |
| [19:28:35] | sphery: | I just hope I do more good than harm for Myth. :) |
| [19:28:41] | FisherPrice70: | lol |
| [19:28:44] | FisherPrice70: | yeah |
| [19:28:51] | FisherPrice70: | so do we all :P |
| [19:28:55] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:29:13] | FisherPrice70: | I'm sure that you'll be fine |
| [19:29:40] | wagnerrp: | 'recent' meaning hes only been around for a couple years |
| [19:29:41] | FisherPrice70: | I haven't looked at the code... I am a hobbyist programmer |
| [19:30:03] | FisherPrice70: | how long have you been in the team wagnerrp |
| [19:30:09] | wagnerrp: | recent |
| [19:30:15] | wagnerrp: | (couple months) |
| [19:30:20] | FisherPrice70: | oh |
| [19:30:30] | FisherPrice70: | how long have you used it though? |
| [19:30:35] | wagnerrp: | early january i think? |
| [19:30:43] | FisherPrice70: | really? this year? |
| [19:30:47] | wagnerrp: | since early 2006 |
| [19:30:53] | FisherPrice70: | oh, k |
| [19:30:58] | FisherPrice70: | wow, that's a long time |
| [19:31:09] | FisherPrice70: | I only started using it about sept 2008 |
| [19:31:22] | wagnerrp: | no, im probably the newest user among the devs (or close to it) |
| [19:31:42] | wagnerrp: | maybe jya hasnt used it as long |
| [19:31:43] | FisherPrice70: | my LG DVD/HDD was failing and I wanted an alternative before it gave up altogether |
| [19:32:14] | FisherPrice70: | I must say it has been getting more stable |
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| [19:34:10] | FisherPrice70: | so, wagnerrp what part of it do you look at? |
| [19:34:12] | FisherPrice70: | mostly |
| [19:34:23] | wagnerrp: | python bindings |
| [19:34:36] | FisherPrice70: | hrm |
| [19:34:47] | FisherPrice70: | question, what's with this new "Event Handler? |
| [19:34:58] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv? or in the bindings? |
| [19:35:09] | FisherPrice70: | is there documentation on it up yet ... mythtv |
| [19:35:25] | sphery: | So, I've only been using MythTV since Feb 2004. Based on the archives, it looks like the first patches I sent in were Jul 22, 2004 (but those were patches to the docs). The first patch for code I sent was Jul 26, 2004. |
| [19:35:26] | wagnerrp: | theres a page on the wiki for it |
| [19:35:40] | FisherPrice70: | :O |
| [19:36:07] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: recent my a@#$ |
| [19:36:11] | FisherPrice70: | that's a long time |
| [19:36:20] | FisherPrice70: | in the software world |
| [19:36:28] | sphery: | well, it's only recent that I've been able to commit my own patches. |
| [19:36:35] | FisherPrice70: | lol |
| [19:36:44] | FisherPrice70: | as in the last couple of years right |
| [19:37:03] | sphery: | 2H 2009 I got commit access |
| [19:37:11] | sphery: | so coming up on a year now |
| [19:37:47] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize it was that recent |
| [19:38:26] | sphery: | Seems I'm at 179 commits so far. |
| [19:38:51] | FisherPrice70: | cool |
| [19:38:54] | sphery: | http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=3 . wagnerrp is at 67 ( http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=4 ), but he got commit access a long time after me. |
| [19:39:10] | FisherPrice70: | is the code starting to get messy? you know how the mess can creep in? |
| [19:39:22] | FisherPrice70: | just a random question |
| [19:39:24] | sphery: | robertm got commit access at the same time as me and he's at 652 ( http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors ) |
| [19:39:43] | sphery: | we've actually been spending more time, especially recently, going through and cleaning up the mess |
| [19:39:50] | sphery: | it's actually my primary focus right now |
| [19:40:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hes also been going through and cleaning up a TON of 3rd party stuff on trac |
| [19:40:06] | wagnerrp: | most of the translation stuff is him |
| [19:40:12] | wagnerrp: | most of RDV's stuff is him |
| [19:40:21] | wagnerrp: | a lot of my earlier python stuff was him |
| [19:40:24] | sphery: | yeah, that helps his commit count |
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| [19:42:52] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: I suspect that cleaning that mess up can be taxing on the grey matter... for me it would be like wtf is that there for |
| [19:42:59] | sphery: | oh, wait, I was quoting ohloh ( http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv ) numbers. They disagree with svnsearch ( http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/search ), which gives 734 for robertm, 221 for mdean, and 73 for wagnerrp. |
| [19:43:17] | FisherPrice70: | :O |
| [19:43:55] | sphery: | seems ohloh is only updated to r24485, but the current one (and the one svnsearch is using) is r24487 |
| [19:44:06] | FisherPrice70: | so.. if im right.. the event handler is something the user can use to run scripts or whatever depending on the event |
| [19:44:08] | sphery: | I don't know how we got hundreds of extra commits in those 2 revisions... |
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| [19:44:16] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: right |
| [19:44:30] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:MythTV_System_Event_Scripts |
| [19:44:33] | sphery: | more scripts welcomed |
| [19:44:36] | FisherPrice70: | do you know if it's used? |
| [19:44:49] | FisherPrice70: | and what would you use it for? |
| [19:45:52] | sphery: | to run mythlink.pl immediately when a new recording starts |
| [19:46:13] | sphery: | to run a script when playback starts to dim the lights in the viewing room and adjust the A/V receiver and... |
| [19:46:44] | sphery: | to run a script to delete transcoded copies of recordings when you delete the actual recording from MythTV |
| [19:46:49] | sphery: | pretty much whatever you like |
| [19:47:11] | bcgrown: | there was a problem with 0.22 that stopped something from happening (dvd or iso playback maybe) if storage groups were enabled... anybody know what the specifics were? |
| [19:47:12] | sphery: | new events can be added pretty easily, too |
| [19:47:47] | sphery: | bcgrown: no version of MythTV supports ISO playback over storage groups (or use of a DVD drive as a storage group dir) |
| [19:48:11] | bcgrown: | hm |
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| [19:48:50] | bcgrown: | spery: how should i set up my storage dirs if i want to be able to play DVDs and ISOs? |
| [19:50:00] | wagnerrp: | FisherPrice70, sphery: not that im trying to downplay his contributions in any manner |
| [19:50:04] | FisherPrice70: | sphery: hrm, I can dig the lights turned down automatically, good idea for my entertainment room when I get it running..... and transcoded copies don't get deleted automatically :O |
| [19:50:26] | wagnerrp: | were on the better side of two new themes, a new plugin, two completely overhauled existing plugins, and a whole slew of UI patches |
| [19:51:02] | FisherPrice70: | wagnerrp: for 0.24? |
| [19:51:11] | wagnerrp: | mostly in 0.22 and 0.23 |
| [19:51:15] | FisherPrice70: | sweet |
| [19:51:27] | FisherPrice70: | so... what's the new plugin? |
| [19:51:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know what the plan is for the release? |
| [19:51:46] | ** sphery proves he's not human, yet again.... Darn CAPTCHAs ** | |
| [19:51:49] | wagnerrp: | last week, i heard in a week after the new rc if there were no new issues |
| [19:51:55] | FisherPrice70: | lol |
| [19:52:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure it will be as soon as someone ( iamlindoro :) pushes for release. |
| [19:53:49] | FisherPrice70: | it must be pretty rewarding to read how pple compare mythtv with MCE and come out with choosing mythtv over it |
| [20:00:10] | bcgrown: | I've re-downloaded from schedules direct, updated the channel lists, but there's still 1 channel that doesnt show up in my guide no matter what. It definitely IS in schedules direct. Can I add it manually? |
| [20:00:23] | bcgrown: | nm found how |
| [20:00:47] | FisherPrice70: | nice chatting with you... |
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| [20:09:25] | bcgrown: | downloading updates at 1,875KB/s, got to like that |
| [20:15:52] | bcgrown: | anyone using miro-bridge? |
| [20:16:25] | RDV_Linux: | bcgrown: What do you want to know about it? |
| [20:17:17] | bcgrown: | RDV_Linux: If Miro fills up my HD, will mythbackend delete the files to make room for TV recordings? (this is what I want) |
| [20:18:25] | bcgrown: | also, wtf is half of miro's UI in german? |
| [20:18:51] | RDV_Linux: | bcgrown: Miro is completely independent of MythTV. Miro does remove played videos per its own settings. MiroBridge simply connects Miro videos through symlinks. |
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| [20:19:17] | bcgrown: | hrm. I wish Miro had a setting for "use this much disk space" instead of "keep this much space free" |
| [20:19:18] | RDV_Linux: | bcgrown: As far as why it is in german is something I also asked. |
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| [20:30:57] | axisys: | anyone here knows where I can find a list of usb capture cards that works with linux ? |
| [20:31:14] | axisys: | so I can just find a device in newegg and purchase |
| [20:31:41] | bcgrown: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [20:32:06] | bcgrown: | and here: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| [20:32:23] | axisys: | bcgrown: thanks .. let me check it out |
| [20:32:35] | bcgrown: | anyone feel like reading a TOS? seems like the NFB would be ok with a mythnetvision grabber: http://www.nfb.ca/about/important-notices/#sharing |
| [20:33:10] | axisys: | i need to convert vhs to digital.. so I need a V4l or DVB ? |
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| [20:33:20] | bcgrown: | axisys: i have the pvr-usb2 and it works well but they don't make it anymore |
| [20:33:39] | axisys: | bcgrown: that wont help :-) |
| [20:33:49] | bcgrown: | axisys: you need an analog capture card that can handle whatever the output of your VCR is (s-video?) |
| [20:34:05] | axisys: | bcgrown: rca |
| [20:34:27] | axisys: | bcgrown: dont know if that it the right term .. or does it called component ? |
| [20:34:31] | bcgrown: | composite |
| [20:34:37] | axisys: | yellow/red/white |
| [20:34:56] | axisys: | bcgrown: h,, microcenter guys were calling it rca |
| [20:34:57] | bcgrown: | yep, composite. yellow=video, red/white = audio |
| [20:35:01] | axisys: | hmm.. |
| [20:35:13] | axisys: | bcgrown: thanks .. those kids in microcenter !! |
| [20:35:18] | axisys: | bcgrown: what is rca ? |
| [20:35:19] | bcgrown: | well they were half right |
| [20:35:22] | bcgrown: | RCA is the connector type |
| [20:35:28] | axisys: | bcgrown: oh ok.. |
| [20:35:40] | bcgrown: | but component video also uses RCA connectors, and is very different |
| [20:36:05] | axisys: | ok.. so there is composite/component/rca .. |
| [20:36:15] | denjeveln_: | hello all |
| [20:36:48] | denjeveln_: | im soreof a noob =), im upto configuring mythplugins, but i get some error, ok if oast it here? |
| [20:36:51] | axisys: | bcgrown: ok before getting too distracted .. the vcr has composites .. yellow/red/white |
| [20:37:09] | bcgrown: | the older hauppauge pvr cards had composite in |
| [20:37:12] | bcgrown: | not sure of the new ones |
| [20:37:33] | axisys: | bcgrown: so any of devices will work ? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_via_USB ? |
| [20:37:48] | denjeveln_: | Disabling MythZoneMinder. Requires mysql/mysql.h header if i understand that correct, i need some mysql thing? |
| [20:38:14] | bcgrown: | axisys: most likely. do you need a usb device? |
| [20:38:45] | axisys: | bcgrown: well i will plug it to my laptop .. so either usb or express |
| [20:38:54] | axisys: | express might be too expensive |
| [20:39:45] | bcgrown: | a used pvr-usb2 will probably be cheap: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2 |
| [20:40:11] | bcgrown: | if you're going to be carting it around you'll want something smaller though |
| [20:41:21] | axisys: | bcgrown: yeah .. something smaller will do.. easycap almost worked.. but only video.. no audio.. author sais he will fix the audio in the forum.. but no timeline |
| [20:41:24] | ezzieyguywuf: | wagnerrp: couldn't I duplicate the tivo setup for my linux system? |
| [20:42:05] | bcgrown: | axisys: if your laptop has a mic or line in you can do audio capture, but the quality won't be great, and you'll have to manually put them together |
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| [20:42:22] | bcgrown: | not that VHS is a bastion of quality in the first place :) |
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| [20:43:15] | axisys: | bcgrown: i think micro center has pinnacle dazzel .. looks like that may work.. however devil is in the details |
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| [20:43:36] | axisys: | bcgrown: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . tor_(DVC170) <-- this is the one I am talking about |
| [20:43:45] | drindt: | when iam in the epg menu, i can't go up or down to switch to a different channel, can someone please tell me what is the key for it? and where i can change it? global, tv or something? thanks |
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| [20:43:55] | [R]: | is there a script to move recordings? |
| [20:44:25] | FredYerkes: | Other than considering line-ups and prices, is there any reason to choose one satellite provider over another with respect to MythTV? Dish or DirectTV? |
| [20:44:41] | [R]: | FredYerkes: how are you going to record? |
| [20:44:52] | bcgrown: | axisys: blank page? |
| [20:45:10] | FredYerkes: | [R]: I was going to invest in an HDPVR |
| [20:45:12] | axisys: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . tor_(DVC170) |
| [20:45:22] | axisys: | bcgrown: ^ |
| [20:45:26] | [R]: | FredYerkes: i've seen lots of people saying they get audio sync problems with hdpvr and dish |
| [20:45:29] | FredYerkes: | unless one provided had a nice firewire out, which I doubt |
| [20:45:51] | axisys: | bcgrown: from here http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle |
| [20:45:54] | bcgrown: | FredYerkes: most people in the US seem to be reporting that their firewire outputs are crippled |
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| [20:46:33] | bcgrown: | axisys: if the drivers aren't complete then there isn't much you can do |
| [20:48:18] | axisys: | bcgrown: it is pretty hard to find a capture card that will work with linux .. so far :-) |
| [20:48:25] | axisys: | usb capture card that is |
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| [20:49:27] | bcgrown: | axisys: as i said, the older hauppauge ones work very well |
| [20:49:46] | FredYerkes: | oh well, maybe I'll stick with ATSC then, I just hate giving my money to u-Verse |
| [20:49:52] | axisys: | bcgrown: but there should be one available to purchase tho.. heh |
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| [20:50:37] | bcgrown: | axisys: ebay/craigslist :) |
| [20:50:58] | axisys: | bcgrown: what do I look for in ebay .. will it say it supports linux ? |
| [20:51:22] | axisys: | if i just look for happauge usb capture device that won't tell me if it supports linux |
| [20:51:55] | axisys: | so would be nice if i see a page that will show the device that supports in linux and give you an option to purchase it |
| [20:51:58] | [R]: | the linuxtv website will tell you what devices are supported |
| [20:52:25] | bcgrown: | axisys: those sites i gave you will tell you. but i'm also telling you now, that the hauppauge USB one supports linux. i know this, because i use it |
| [20:52:33] | axisys: | [R]: i had been exploring .. no luck so far |
| [20:52:53] | axisys: | bcgrown: can I buy yours ;-) ? |
| [20:52:59] | axisys: | bcgrown: lol |
| [20:53:12] | bcgrown: | nope |
| [20:53:26] | axisys: | bcgrown: hehe .. i didn't think so |
| [20:53:44] | axisys: | finding one that works is easy.. finding one that I can buy now and works is hard |
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| [20:53:57] | bcgrown: | there are plenty around |
| [20:54:47] | axisys: | bcgrown: i have no doubt.. but i have no success yet.. sorry for not presenting an issue that is technical |
| [20:55:18] | bcgrown: | http://cgi.ebay.ca/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-USB2-V . . . em414f1c9854 |
| [20:56:57] | axisys: | bcgrown: hehe.. you have been very helpful .. i tried bidding one last week.. it is very difficult to win.. not have the ebay tricks in my pocket yet.. would be nice if i could just buy one now |
| [20:57:35] | axisys: | seems getting one in your hand is not as easy as finding one in internet to look at .. hehe |
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| [21:06:55] | axisys: | bcgrown: this one will work ? |
| [21:06:59] | axisys: | bcgrown: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ht_500wt_956 |
| [21:07:24] | axisys: | bcgrown: i dont see any composite input (i hope i am saying it right) |
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| [21:07:41] | axisys: | in other words no cable for yellow/red/white |
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| [21:08:20] | axisys: | bcgrown: i guess this is not a capture card |
| [21:08:28] | axisys: | or capture device rather |
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| [21:16:23] | bcgrown: | axisys: yes, it is |
| [21:16:55] | axisys: | bcgrown: i dont see any yello/red/[white/ inputs |
| [21:17:31] | bcgrown: | it has them |
| [21:17:50] | bcgrown: | http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/news/hauppa . . . vr_usb_c.jpg |
| [21:19:48] | axisys: | bcgrown: sweet.. how do I confirm that it will work with linux.. i ask that .. cuz I found out wintv-hvr 850 works with linux unless it is model 1200 w/ s/n B175 or something |
| [21:20:07] | axisys: | may be a different s/n of same device may not work ? |
| [21:20:18] | axisys: | or model number.. |
| [21:20:21] | bcgrown: | axisys: i've told you about 5 times now that it works |
| [21:20:40] | axisys: | bcgrown: loud and clear.. thanks.. |
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| [21:41:51] | [R]: | is it just me... or does mytthv only store which storage group a recording is in... and not the location of the file? |
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| [22:00:18] | drindt: | when iam in the epg menu, i can't go up or down to switch to a different channel, can someone please tell me what is the key for it? and where i can change it? global, tv or something? thanks |
| [22:01:01] | sphery: | what exactly happens? you can go left/right, but not up/down? |
| [22:01:27] | sphery: | by default, it's the Up/Down arrow keys (mapped to Global context UP/DOWN key bindings--see Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys) |
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| [22:02:53] | drindt: | sphery: in global it is defined as you told me, but i go in the osd choose then EPG and in this epg view its only possible to go left and right but not go up with the channel, pgup and pgdown is working as expected... |
| [22:04:11] | sphery: | Do you have an override of UP/DOWN in another context (like TV Playback)? |
| [22:05:06] | drindt: | sphery: not that i know |
| [22:05:21] | sphery: | drindt: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM keybindings WHERE action IN ('UP', 'DOWN');" |
| [22:07:00] | drindt: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/Vtr175Bb |
| [22:07:05] | drindt: | looks ok |
| [22:08:30] | sphery: | yeah, that's good |
| [22:08:36] | sphery: | so, I don't know why it wouldn't work |
| [22:08:46] | sphery: | it definitely works for me |
| [22:09:08] | sphery: | I was doing it for about 45 minutes last night looking for a listing that would allow me to duplicate a reported bug |
| [22:09:19] | sphery: | (but that was trunk, not 0.23-fixes) |
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| [22:09:30] | sphery: | though there's nothing really different in 0.23-fixes that should cause issues |
| [22:10:31] | samsung: | hello world |
| [22:10:49] | samsung: | so im havin a hell of a time trying to stream my stb over 1394 |
| [22:10:59] | samsung: | all videos sources are in use |
| [22:11:40] | samsung: | i dont even want to record yet |
| [22:11:44] | samsung: | just play |
| [22:11:45] | [R]: | samsung: are you sure the firewire on it works? |
| [22:12:04] | [R]: | are you sure you are trying to play a channel that isn't encrypted? |
| [22:12:05] | samsung: | i get a guid and a raw 1394 in dmesg |
| [22:12:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | ...and that it's enabled and not encrypted... |
| [22:12:16] | drindt: | sphery: ok thanks |
| [22:12:21] | [R]: | samsung: that just means its connected |
| [22:12:22] | samsung: | how to test? mythprime isnt a command |
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| [22:14:01] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Firewire_Priming_Scripts& nbsp;? |
| [22:14:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | samsung: and http://www.mythtv.com/wiki/FireWire |
| [22:14:29] | samsung: | brb thnx |
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| [22:39:45] | drindt: | is it not possible to burn dvds with recorded stuff on the remote machine controled by a client? |
| [22:44:58] | sphery: | mytharchive only works with "local" files (though some have gotten it to work with NFS mounts) |
| [22:46:05] | drindt: | ok |
| [22:46:07] | drindt: | :( |
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| [22:47:26] | drindt: | sphery: is it possible to reset the key bindings? i think here is something wrong, when iam in the mediathek and go to a movie and press the i button for info i cant go back from the info screen with esc or exit on my remote. |
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| [22:48:31] | samsung: | ok im back 1394 stb question |
| [22:48:46] | samsung: | i comp[iled and ran firewire tester |
| [22:49:00] | samsung: | i get a no plugs exist on either node error |
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| [22:49:43] | samsung: | p2p and broadcast both fail 5/5 tries |
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| [22:51:33] | sphery: | drindt: complete reset for a host is: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DELETE FROM keybindings WHERE hostname = 'myhostname');" |
| [22:52:18] | drindt: | sphery: ah ok, i thought the tables are seeded with some default values... thanks |
| [22:52:18] | sphery: | drindt: (make sure you change "myhostname" as appropriate), then restart mythfrontend on that host. You can reset for all hosts by removing the WHERE clause completely. |
| [22:52:29] | drindt: | ye i know mysql :) thanks |
| [22:52:33] | sphery: | they get replaced on mythfrontend restart |
| [22:52:46] | sphery: | normally direct DB editing is bad, but in this case, this will work |
| [22:53:16] | sphery: | I plan to add a "Reset key bindings for <hostname>" button to MythControls. |
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| [23:09:48] | sphery: | drindt: use xscreensaver |
| [23:10:12] | sphery: | drindt: if you're using gnome-screensaver, there's a bug in gnome-screensaver or *buntu's configuration or something that makes it not work |
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| [23:17:16] | drindt: | sphery: and using a script to trigger on/off the screensaver during the run of mfrontend? |
| [23:18:42] | drindt: | sphery: found -> gnome-screensaver-command --deactivate |
| [23:20:42] | drindt: | btw a screensaver is whole crap :) lock station if you left dpms only is enough :D |
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| [23:20:56] | seanthegeek: | How do I prevent myth from filling up my drive when I accidentally leave live tv on all night |
| [23:21:24] | ver: | add hard drives! :D |
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| [23:26:38] | jarle: | seanthegeek: by default live TV will be deleted automatically after 1 day. |
| [23:26:59] | seanthegeek: | thanks |
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| [23:27:09] | drindt: | why is live tv recorded and keep for one day? |
| [23:27:34] | drindt: | when i switched the channel then the recording is not accessible... so why keep then? |
| [23:28:06] | jarle: | drindt: with mythtv there is no such thing as live TV, it is all just recordings, live tv just means that you will watch the show as it records.. |
| [23:28:08] | drindt: | seanthegeek: come in and find out? :D |
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| [23:28:42] | drindt: | jarle: ok |
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| [23:29:07] | drindt: | that will be clearify why the disk is nearly full :) |
| [23:29:55] | jarle: | drindt: stop using live tv, and just record what you would like to see.. |
| [23:31:17] | jarle: | drindt: I never watch live tv, I just use the "watch live tv" function when I have to test if a specific channel works as it should.. |
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| [23:33:40] | Beirdo: | stupid Phillies |
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| [23:39:17] | samsung: | hey all where can i get test_mpeg |
| [23:39:27] | samsung: | test_mpeg2 |
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| [23:42:18] | seanthegeek: | Anyone here have Wide Open West (WOW!) cable? |
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| [23:46:59] | drindt: | hm, can i modify the sleep function? i want when the sleep timer is zero that the machine do a poweroff, is that possible? |
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