Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 2nd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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DQn3tsWRK:

sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart sudo: /etc/init.d/lirc: command not found

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DQn3tsWRK:

hrmm

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DQn3tsWRK:

any ideas?

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dustybin:

what is he /etc/init.d/irssi start ?

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dustybin:

remove 'what is'

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wagnerrp:

irc != lirc

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dustybin:

eeek

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sid3windr:

lolol

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DQn3tsWRK:

wagnerrp any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

i dont use ubuntu or ir blasters

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dustybin:

lirc is a pain, do the new linux kernels have all the drivers built in these days

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DQn3tsWRK:

it has been working fine in 9.10

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dustybin:

wizbox:/home/dustybin# /etc/init.d/lirc start

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dustybin:

Starting lirc daemon: lircd.

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dustybin:

think its about time i upgraded my CRT

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DQn3tsWRK:

dustybin: yea i got that working now

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DQn3tsWRK:

the command i was finding on the intarwebs was "" lircd start

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dustybin:

DQn3tsWRK: your remote is working?

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DQn3tsWRK:

i went to /etc/init.d/

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DQn3tsWRK:

and the file wastn lircd

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DQn3tsWRK:

it was lirc

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dustybin:

ok

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DQn3tsWRK:

and it wasnt +x

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DQn3tsWRK:

i did chmod +x

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DQn3tsWRK:

then started it and it looks like it started

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DQn3tsWRK:

now when i try my channel change script i get this

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DQn3tsWRK:

./changechannel 420 irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE directtv select irsend: unknown remote: "directtv"

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dustybin:

you are using a ir blaster?

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DQn3tsWRK:

yea

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dustybin:

right ok..

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wagnerrp:

my god, im getting political calls twice a day now

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dustybin:

check your configs /etc/lirc

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: who from?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro?

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dustybin:

:P

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DQn3tsWRK:

WIIIIINNNN

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wagnerrp:

yes, iamlindoro is calling me

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DQn3tsWRK:

lemme try mythtv now

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DQn3tsWRK:

see i had found someone elses lircd.conf

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wagnerrp:

hes telling me to vote for him for trac moderator of the year

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DQn3tsWRK:

i tried using it

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DQn3tsWRK:

it didnt work

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mag0o:

hehe, trac moderator of the year

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DQn3tsWRK:

so i mv'd the other one back

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DQn3tsWRK:

but i forgot to start and stop lirc again

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DQn3tsWRK:

did that and the channel change script worked

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dustybin:

iamlindoro is annoying but in a good way, intelligent guy :D

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wagnerrp:

its a shame politicians dont fall under the same anti-spam laws as everyone else

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wagnerrp:

funny that... passing all these laws and then exempting themselves

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DQn3tsWRK:

shit no cigar

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DQn3tsWRK:

i click watch tv

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wagnerrp:

please watch the language in this channel

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DQn3tsWRK:

it says please wait like usual, but after a few seconds, the window turns grey like ubuntu does when an app is thinking really hard

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DQn3tsWRK:

then it goes back to the frontend menu

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mag0o:

what do you have listed as your channel change script? can you run that manually?

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DQn3tsWRK:

mag0o yea i can now that i fixed my lirc

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DQn3tsWRK:

hrmm lemme check something

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DQn3tsWRK:

poop still fail

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DQn3tsWRK:

yea im able to change the channel manually with my script

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DQn3tsWRK:

lemme check the backend logs again

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DQn3tsWRK:

http://pastebin.com/CRmG9crU

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DQn3tsWRK:

thats what i get now

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DQn3tsWRK:

lemme try what it says

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mag0o:

yeah, need to set up recording profiles

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DQn3tsWRK:

what codec should i use

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DQn3tsWRK:

mpeg-4?

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wagnerrp:

what card do you have?

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DQn3tsWRK:

pvr150

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

that card is a hardware encder

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wagnerrp:

you are supposed to install it in mythtv as an mpeg2 encoder card

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wagnerrp:

not a generic V4L card

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DQn3tsWRK:

i only see mpeg4

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DQn3tsWRK:

wait, wagnerrp can you elaborate a little?

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wagnerrp:

what type of card did you set it as in mythtv-setup?

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DQn3tsWRK:

it just auto detected

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DQn3tsWRK:

lemme go through it again

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will attempt to find the card, but only after you specify the type

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DQn3tsWRK:

analog v4l capture card

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wagnerrp:

you have an mpeg encoder card, define it as such

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wagnerrp:

you almost certainly currently have it set up in a manner that will not work

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DQn3tsWRK:

ivtv mpeg2 encoder card?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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** DQn3tsWRK watches mythtv **

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DQn3tsWRK:

thanks

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dustybin:

from the shell, how can i show what im watching now?

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wagnerrp:

telnet <frontend> <port>; query location;

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dustybin:

what is the port?

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wagnerrp:

NetworkControlPort

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dustybin:

telnet will not no?!

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wagnerrp:

6546 by default

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dustybin:

aye ok thanks :D

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dustybin:

right im logged in

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dustybin:

# query location

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dustybin:

Playback Video 00:18:23 1x /mnt/video/mythvideo/movie/austin powers 3.vob 27575 25

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythremctl.py

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Beirdo:

next Saturday, I shall watch the Phillies host the Braves :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

are there actually any sources of 32-bit audio?

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wagnerrp:

i thought the best even bluray carried was 24-bit

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Timrit:

hello. i am having a problem with my frontend playing nice with my backend under ubuntu 9.10. log from starting mythtv frontend from cli: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/DFCKVKZ3 . backend MythTV Version : 22594 . under arch they play fine together. any help/thoughts?

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wagnerrp:

got any backend logs?

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Timrit:

just as you say that i remember something that has just in the last few hours. i will check my auto-mount settings. one of the drives was changing drive assignment on its own the last few reboots.

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Timrit:

we lost power here today

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wagnerrp:

the frontend seems to be working just fine, as does connection between the frontend and backend

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wagnerrp:

the backend is just incapable of recording for some reason

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Timrit:

the drive it records to isnt mounted

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wagnerrp:

that would do it

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Timrit:

i am checking why now

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Timrit:

yes i forgot that it was changing assignment on its own and i have to figure out a way to make it mount the same every time.

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Timrit:

by uuid

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Timrit:

sorry to bother you and thanks.

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wagnerrp:

this is a removeable drive?

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Timrit:

no

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wagnerrp:

then theres no need to fiddle with uuid

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wagnerrp:

or automount

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Timrit:

there are 6 drives in the machine

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wagnerrp:

just use fstab like normal people

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Timrit:

it fails

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Timrit:

before the os drive failed i had to do this and on reinstall i forgot to assign it

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Timrit:

by uuid

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Timrit:

the card that has 4 drives connected to it may be causing the problem

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Timrit:

on proper mounting of recordings drive, it works fine. sorry about that.

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TUplink:

ok is there a way to remove recordings in the list that the files are missing with a script?

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wagnerrp:

sorta

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TUplink:

lol

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wagnerrp:

there is a script

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wagnerrp:

but it has not been updated in a while

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wagnerrp:

and will not be updated as it is capability expected to be rewritten into mythbackend itself for 0.24

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TUplink:

lol

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TUplink:

great

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TUplink:

wait another YEAR i guess

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wagnerrp:

well if trac is to believed, thats only two months away

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TUplink:

lol

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TUplink:

is the script myth.find_orphans.pl

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wagnerrp:

thats the one

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TUplink:

lol now where would i find it?

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wagnerrp:

should be in your myth install

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TUplink:

lol got it /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/maintenance/myth.find_orphans.pl

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wagnerrp:

there you go

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jst:

Hey, guys. I have "Record past end of show (in minutes): 120" set, but it's not working. I understand it won't record over if another recording is scheduled afterward, but shouldn't this feature still work if the second show to-be-recorded is on another tuner?

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jst:

Tuner 1: recording sports event + 120 minutes

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jst:

Tuner 2: interrupts this

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jst:

That doesn't make any sense... surely tuner 1 could continue to record without interfering with tuner 2, right?

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jst:

Anyone alive? I have another question...

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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jst:

One sec...

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jst:

I installed a 0.23-trunk frontend on one of my Windows 7 (I know, I know) machines and it wants to upgrade the DB schema. If I let it upgrade it, will all my other frontends no longer work with the backend?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend will only update the plugin schemas

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wagnerrp:

it will not try to update the main schema unless you force it

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wagnerrp:

also, you MUST run the same version of everything

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wagnerrp:

which means you either need to run 0.22, or 0.23, or trunk everywhere

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wagnerrp:

and whatever this '0.23-trunk' is, ive never heard of such a thing

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jst:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/

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jst:

It's on there... my backend is 0.23. So when I run the Windows frontend, it tries to upgrade the schema.

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wagnerrp:

man should be slapped

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wagnerrp:

is it 0.23? or is it trunk?

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wagnerrp:

what specifically is it asking?

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jst:

One sec...

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wagnerrp:

i believe only the mythvideo and mythweather schemas have been update between 0.23 and current trunk

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jst:

Yeah, it wants to upgrade the video scheme from 1032 to 1033.

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jst:

schema*

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wagnerrp:

so thats trunk

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use that with 0.23

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jst:

Damn. I wish I could actually compile the source like this guy instead of relying on his binaries, but I could never get it to compile properly.

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jst:

Guess I'll have to go back to dual-booting.

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jst:

wagnerrp, did you happen to see the question I wrote earlier about recording past the end of the show?

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wagnerrp:

dont know what would cause that

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wagnerrp:

other than mythtv either having a third recording it wanted

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wagnerrp:

or being unable to record the second show on the second tuner for some reason

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jst:

Hmm... I could try to record using all three tuners and see if it works.

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jst:

Nope. I got all three tuners recording.

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jst:

(simultaneously)

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jst:

Just tonight two sports events (properly flagged as such in the program guide) didn't record an extra 2 hours and I missed the end of them. :(

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jst:

Maybe it's a bug?

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beata-:

anyone running ubuntu 10.04 and having lirc problems w/ using pvr-250 for ir

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beata-:

also running .23-fixes as of today anyone seen when running scan for changes in mythvideo that it wipes away art fanart/banners from the videos?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23, all videos are hashed, so even moving them to a different location would not wipe it out

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wagnerrp:

the only way you can clear your artwork from mythvideo is to completely remove them from any paths scanned by mythvideo

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beata-:

wagnerrp im not moving the files. step i Press w on a video it downloads the metadata, i see the artwork being displayed. I then press m->scan for changes. I goto the same file, and see no artwork

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beata-:

step i=step 1

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beata-:

hm bed debug more tommrow

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DQn3tsWRK:

y0 anyone awake?

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DQn3tsWRK:

i got mythtv working earlier for about 10 minutes

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DQn3tsWRK:

then it quit

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DQn3tsWRK:

now it wont do live tv, again

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DQn3tsWRK:

http://pastebin.com/FMFmipT3

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DQn3tsWRK:

theres the log output

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DQn3tsWRK:

gonna reboot, brb

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wagnerrp:

ive say weve got two more good spam candidates just added to the wiki

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dellph:

how do i update the database of mythtv? I got this error in my frontend this version of mythtv requires an updated database (schema is 10 version behind). any ideas?

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dellph:

hello anybody here? :)

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stuartm:

dellph: upgrade all components, backend, frontend, plugins

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stuartm:

the database update will happen automatically

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dellph:

stuartm, I am using ubuntu lucid. the version .23

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dellph:

but my server is .22

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dellph:

ubuntu koala

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dellph:

any ideas where can i get .23 for ubuntu koala?

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stuartm:

I'd ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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dellph:

stuartm, thanks

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oobe:

haha ubuntu have setup there versions nicely now ppl can go rounding saying how to i upgrade my koala to lucifer

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Guest87706:

any idea why metadata are not persistent in mythvideo ? I am able to download them but when I go back to main menu and try again to view them they simply vanish...

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stuartm:

only reason I can think for that happening is that it's not able to write to the DB

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stuartm:

Guest87706: I'm assuming 0.22+ ?

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Guest87706:

yes

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Guest87706:

stuartm, how can icheck its ability to write to th db ?

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stuartm:

check the frontend log

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Guest87706:

no error message in it, everything seems ok in the log

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Keithamus:

Hope someone can help here – I've got issues with playback on my mythbuntu boxes, I think because of the oss nvidia driver – can't get Nvidia-glx working properly. Logs here for trying to watch TV and an mkv: http://pastebin.com/FG1Bb6QM http://pastebin.com/jtGKx4Yd

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

I just had an odd idea, and I thought someone here might have some thoughts on whether it is a good one, bad one, or not technically possible.

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Would it be possible to use the Network Recorder function of MythTV to make it see the 24/7 Twit.tv live feed as a recordable stream? Would it even make sense to do so?

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beata-:

running .23-fixes as of yesterday anyone seen when running scan for changes in mythvideo that it wipes away art fanart/banners from the videos? IE I press w on a video and it downloads the correct metta data, and the art is displayed. I then press m->scan for changes, and then navigate back to the same video and no art is being displayed/ no plot info nothing.

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beata-:

In the videometadata table there are 4 rows of the same video, same hash. This represents the 4 times that I have tested this. Is that normal?

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jan:

hi, my mythfrontend keeps segfaulting after i updated to mythbuntu 10.04. here's the backtrace:http://mythtv.pastebin.com/WdbCJ4ZR

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jan:

any ideas?

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Keithamus:

jan, maybe try using opengl painter?

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jan:

i think i'm using it. but since i can't even start the frontend, i can't configure a different painter either

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iamlindoro:

It's not a painter issue- It's also been fixed, you need to be on current fixes, not whatever older version you're running

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iamlindoro:

As a quick workaround, take the DVD out of your drive

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jan:

i *am* on the latest 23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

no, you're not

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jan:

at least on the latest that mythbuntu autobuilds provde

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jan:

provide

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jan:

and i took out the cd/dvd

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iamlindoro:

That's something you'd have to take up with them

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its_dk:

Hey there

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its_dk:

I'm trying to find and compile mantis drivers for my terratec cinergy c pci tuner

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its_dk:

Anyone knows where and how I can do that?

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iamlindoro:

its_dk, You should ask in #linuxtv

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its_dk:

Ah, okay thanks :)

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jan:

how can i find out what it's trying to mount?

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iamlindoro:

jan, You can't without being able to get further, just get to latest fixes when it's been fixed

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iamlindoro:

you can check your revision with mythfrontend --version

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jan:

i'm on 24291

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iamlindoro:

And the bug was fixed in 24311

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jan:

looks like the autobuilds are a few days behind. *sigh*

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iamlindoro:

You should ask the mythbuntu folks what's wrong with their auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

(fix was 3 days ago)

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stuartm:

and I know Daviey pushed another update about a day and a half ago

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stuartm:

but he's away for the weekend

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jan:

too bad

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stuartm:

jan: you can try finding someone in #mythbuntu

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jan:

yep, i already tried there. thanks

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jan:

too bad, i guess i'm back to 9.10 for the waf's sake until the builds are working again. thanks folks

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iamlindoro:

jan was/is doing something wrong, since there's someone on the ubntu forum claiming to have upgraded to 24334 today.

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stuartm:

he may not have enabled the mythbuntu repos, so he's only getting what shipped with the 10.4 release

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stuartm:

if that's the case, yay, Lucid shipped with a broken version

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stuartm:

I'm hazy on why bug-fix releases of mythtv packages aren't pushed to the main repo

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vect:

are there any myth distros that aren't a steaming pile of crap like Mythbuntu?!

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vect:

this is ridiculous

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iamlindoro:

Most of us Myth devs think that Mythbuntu is pretty solid and polished, actually

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vect:

i guess that answers my question

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vect:

ordering DVR from time warner on monday

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iamlindoro:

k, have fun

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vect:

you guys have had 10 years to get this crap distro working right

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vect:

fuckin giveup

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iamlindoro:

sorry, I'll get my manager to arrange a refund

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vect:

no, just stop trying

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vect:

take the software

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vect:

insert up ass sideways

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Keithamus:

please dont stop trying ;)

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Keithamus:

iamlindoro, are you a dev for mythbuntu then?

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iamlindoro:

nope, just a plain Myth dev

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Keithamus:

ah

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iamlindoro:

but I recognize the hard work that has gone in to Mythbuntu, and while I don't agree with everything they do, it's still done a TON to make Myth more accessible

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Keithamus:

yeah definitely

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stuartm:

lol @ Jeremy Vine doing a triple-take when he notices Sian Lloyd is bending over behind him ... he can't even conceal the grin

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Keithamus:

do you recommend any distros for doing mythtv diskless? Im trying mythbuntu but running into serious problems because of the whole nouveau thing

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sulx:

I recommend arch for everything

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, mythbuntu used to have some very easy tools for diskless, but I think some of them have rotted over the past couple revisions-- I don't do diskless so I may not be the person to ask

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Keithamus:

I can concur with that statement

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Keithamus:

Karmic was fine

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Keithamus:

Lucid is just...

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Keithamus:

one of the big problems is they don't have any fresh docs

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stuartm:

Keithamus: minimyth is/was the distro of choice for diskless

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Keithamus:

current version is .22 though

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Keithamus:

i've got 0.22 working fine on mythbuntu

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Keithamus:

i was hoping to get .23

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stuartm:

they are probably waiting for 0.23 to be released

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Keithamus:

is it not already?

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: are you considering another RC? If the holdup last much longer I might try and complete Terra so it can officially release with a complete default ;)

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stuartm:

Keithamus: RCs only so far

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Keithamus:

oh ok

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Keithamus:

btw what happened to the playback profiles in .23? I can't seem to get to them, are they removed for automated setup?

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stuartm:

technicality it may be ..

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, I hadn't considered one (I feel like we're maintaining it like an actual release now)... might be worth pinging chutt re: our timetable?

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, They're still in the same spot

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page 3

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gbee:

oh crap, BBC HD changed their schedules last night, I've got that tosser Jonathan Ross instead of Heroes

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iamlindoro:

On the plus side, you managed to avoid Heroes

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gbee:

heh

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Keithamus:

dunno how I missed that XD

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Keithamus:

hmm

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Keithamus:

my tv is really blurry...

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Keithamus:

is there a convenient way to get mythfrontend to restart when it crashes?

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mag0o:

Keithamus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Customized_Remote_Control_Keys

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Keithamus:

i was hoping for more of an automated thing – like a wrapper script?

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mag0o:

mythwelcome?

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mag0o:

(never used it though)

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clever:

mythwelcome is nice for that

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Keithamus:

yeah?

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janneg:

while /bin/true; do mythfrontend; sleep 1; done

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clever:

mythwelcome will show the basic status for the system and has a lirc clickable button to start the fe

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Keithamus:

I think janneg's is more akin to what i want actually

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

best to put that into a bash script so you can kill it better

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clever:

if you ran it right from the cli, youll have to kill the entire shell to stop it

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Keithamus:

just add a shebang?

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clever:

yeah and +x it

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Keithamus:

cool

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Keithamus:

I mv'd mythfrontend to mythfrontend-bin and made that script mythfrontend

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Keithamus:

lucid's ltsp update image script is so much faster than karmic's. its an amazing difference

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frego:

anyone dare to upgrade mythbuntu 9.10 to 10.04 yet??

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iamlindoro:

Lots of people, if you believe the various forums and lists

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frego:

I'm thinking about doing it

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iamlindoro:

If you do, immediately add the auto-builds repository and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade

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iamlindoro:

so that you are on current fixes as numerous critical fixes have gone in since their 10.04 packages

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frego:

iamlindoro> the 10.04 LTS upgrade says it takes care of the auto-builds for you. Sounds so easy to do. But I'm scared of it breaking with no backup.

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flindet:

Hi, there: Is anyone here using Surewest IPTV with their MythTV?

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gbee:

oh why is this mouse interception not working? :/

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Keyboard is, though?

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gbee:

I'd assume, I haven't tested that yet, decided to start with the mouse stuff

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gbee:

guess I've just missed something

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gbee:

I've disabled the QWidget focus calls, but there must be something else that I need to do

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iamlindoro:

browser->NSPlugin->isFlash()->SetOnFire(true);

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Keithamus:

iamlindoro, how do you add the autobuilds? is it a ppa?

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

URL from memory ;)

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Keithamus:

lol

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iamlindoro:

It's a deb package, I believe

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Keithamus:

that page has a deb :(

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gbee:

ah, found it

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Keithamus:

im in chrooted ltsp which cant go out

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iamlindoro:

Keithamus, Not sure what the correct procedure would be then, I suspect the mythbuntu guys would know the actual path to the repos

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Keithamus:

s'ok just had to exit chroot, wget it, move it inside my chroot, chroot back in and dpkg it XD

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Keithamus:

autobuilds is stable right?

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iamlindoro:

yes, so long as you choose ".23" when asked

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Keithamus:

did so :D

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iamlindoro:

they're just updated packages when we backport a fix to .23

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iamlindoro:

which you definitely want

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Keithamus:

yeah I can imagine I do

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iamlindoro:

since getting us to backport anything can be a challenge sometime, so if we did it, it's probably important :)

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Keithamus:

lol ok :D

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Keithamus:

I noticed there was a huge jump in development speed from .22 to .23

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Keithamus:

from what felt like years from .21 to .22

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iamlindoro:

18 months

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Keithamus:

down to ~6 months for 22–23 right?

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, we're trying to stick to a 4 month release schedule, though for logistical reasons that's slipped a bit for .23

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Keithamus:

that is awesome news. Dead chuffed :D

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it'll be 6–7 in the end for .23, probably

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Keithamus:

Is it all in C++?

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iamlindoro:

So hopefully we can get another release out before the end of the year or right around then

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what part of Myth you mean. Myth itself is mostly C++, many of the cupport libraries are C and asm, the themes and various other bits are XML, and we have some semi-mandatory python bindings and scripts

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iamlindoro:

er support

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Keithamus:

ah

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Keithamus:

Well, I know php and I'm learning python – is there any way I can help?

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Keithamus:

I was planning on making my own mythweb

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iamlindoro:

mythweb is php, there is probably lots that could be done there to improve it/fix bugs

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iamlindoro:

That would be more helpful than a reimplementation, likely

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Keithamus:

cool

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Keithamus:

is mythweb part of the mythtv trac?

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iamlindoro:

even fleshing the parts that communicate with the protocol out into full fledged bindings would be extra awesome

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

mythweb is official

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iamlindoro:

Our python bindings are in by far the best shape of all the bindings, wagnerrp owns them and could say if there's anything he could use help with/has a wishlist

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Keithamus:

Cool, well I might just have to spend a few weekends on mythweb then :D

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Keithamus:

I'd love to try and get theora playback for HTML5 video, whaddya reckon?

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iamlindoro:

Well, I think it's a *great* goal to have, but I also know that we'll need a backend method of live transcoding video to interface with, which we lack.

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iamlindoro:

ie, you could probably add HTML5 video playback, but mythbackend will presently only serve you up full bitrate and resolution material

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Keithamus:

yeah

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Keithamus:

hmmm

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Keithamus:

its definitely doable to live transcode it

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Keithamus:

my q6600 does ~ 30–50fps for transcoding

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Keithamus:

but then on lower power equipment I can see it struggling

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Keithamus:

i may just play around with this a bit and hopefully work on some bugs next weekend

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Keithamus:

thanks for all your help though iamlindoro. This kind of support is exactly why I love OSS :D

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iamlindoro:

It's surely doable, it's just the implementation on the backend that few people have the knowhow to do

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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Keithamus:

Cya o/

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flindet:

anyone familiar with media room or maybe the motorola 1216? I'm wondering if the service provider provides mediaroom boxes, does that mean all the channels are probably encrypted or just the premium channels?

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iamlindoro:

IF you are dealing with *any* cable operator, chances are extremely high that all but the local channels (NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox) are encrypted

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flindet:

This is IPTV. I'm on Comcast now and it looks like they're about to start encrypting everything. I REALLY don't want to give up my myth, so I'm trying to find another provider that might work

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flindet:

Hope to get more than just the OTA channels (because why bother paying a provider for that )

[19:09:44]

iamlindoro:

Regardless, it's still going to be run similarly to any other cable co

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flindet:

depressing news

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iamlindoro:

You can keep comcast, just means you need to capture the output of the box itself

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iamlindoro:

a little more difficult to set up, a bit more money, but very doable

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flindet:

yeah, i'm using those motorola dct-6200 over firewire, but it's very flaky

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iamlindoro:

substitute an HD-PVR for firewire, and you'll have stable and functional

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flindet:

and they sent some vague notice about needing new equipment, so I'm not even certain the 6200s will continue to work

[19:11:12]

flindet:

yeah, but those are $200 a pop...

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iamlindoro:

yup

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flindet:

this looked very promising: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/SureWest_IPTV

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flindet:

no tuners required and that's written by folks in my town

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flindet:

problem is that surewest is switching to microsoft's mediaroom, and i fear that means encryption. :-(

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flindet:

so that wiki entry may no longer be valid or may soon be no longer valid

[19:13:04]

iamlindoro:

I think that's probably a valid concern

[19:13:31]

flindet:

well, buy your stock in hauppage then, I'll need to buy hundreds.. hahah

[19:13:45]

flindet:

I currently enjoy the luxury of 4 tuners. This is going to be a big shock

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flindet:

so is the myth community all just moving to OTA signals then?

[19:15:05]

flindet:

or everyone's throwing out the big cash for the hd pvrs?

[19:15:15]

iamlindoro:

The myth community isn't just the USA :)

[19:15:20]

flindet:

oh

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flindet:

oh EU doesn't have this nonsense?

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iamlindoro:

There's still encryption elsewhere in the world, but generally handled in a more reasonable fashion (ie, you can get a Conditional Access Module for your provider and still use myth)

[19:16:23]

flindet:

well, I'm jealous then... haha

[19:16:44]

iamlindoro:

and since much of the TV in places like, for example, the UK is publicly funded, there's a mandate that it remain accessible in a more open fashion

[19:17:15]

iamlindoro:

But yeah, in the US the HD-PVR or OTA only are rapidly becoming the only valid options if you want High definition content in a mythbox

[19:17:15]

flindet:

too bad we don't have that here.

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I have put in ratings for like 300 popular movies at TMDB over the past few days, good luck getting someone to add the UK ratings ;)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I'll start on those

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iamlindoro:

Let's make Nick Morott do it, he's on a roll ;)

[19:25:38]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I am not entirely sure what will get passed back for ratings right now-- we don't do any custom handling of them in tmdb.py yet so I don't know if we need to use the language argument to set the ratings, or if they're done by the locale your IP is in, or...

[19:25:56]

iamlindoro:

I get the US ratings, but if you get them too, they we need to look at how the API has changed

[19:25:58]

iamlindoro:

er then

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I think that was the intent as I read on the forum was to use an ISO country code

[19:28:02]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I have no idea of it was implemented that way

[19:28:19]

iamlindoro:

We'll, we'll figure it out :)

[19:28:22]

iamlindoro:

er Well

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RDV_Linux:

I just checked and the raw returned XML is only "<certification>PG-13</certification>" so no sign of a language code

[19:30:51]

iamlindoro:

yeah, I saw that

[19:31:08]

iamlindoro:

Did you try on a movie with multiple ratings set?

[19:31:23]

iamlindoro:

(I have not yet)

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RDV_Linux:

no

[19:31:37]

iamlindoro:

try -D 187

[19:31:40]

iamlindoro:

(Sin City)

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iamlindoro:

(Which is funny, because 187 is the penal code for murder in California)

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gbee:

MovieRating:R with no args apart from -D

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Did you try it in debug mode (to see the XML)?

[19:35:41]

iamlindoro:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

Still just that

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iamlindoro:

And you get the US value.... so... yeah

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gbee:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/qNXAsvRg

[19:36:29]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like the new API isn't returning everything yet/isn't working quite right

[19:36:46]

iamlindoro:

Well, enjoy your new US certifications!

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gbee:

yeah, no option to specify locale and it can't be inferred from the language since they are using the old two character codes

[19:38:27]

** gbee is disappointed **

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iamlindoro:

I doubt travis went through all the effort of internationalizing the ratings to have them be inaccessible-- you should ping the forum

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iamlindoro:

So there were a small number of films with certification before I started, mostly common, popular films

[19:46:18]

iamlindoro:

the two series that I was shocked to find without ratings were ALL of the star trek movies, and all of the lord of the rings movies

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iamlindoro:

figured the internet-at-large would have long since beaten me to those

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squish102:

how do i clear my lineup and start again. I have deleted a channel, and I need it back now. TW is moving things around :(

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iamlindoro:

remove the video source and create a new one

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squish102:

ok thanks, i think I did that, removed all tuner cards, and added them back, rescanned them, but the channel didn't seem to apear :( I will try again

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gbee:

iamlindoro: the answer we're looking for is actually there, highlighted on the API page – "Since the 2.1 API does not support locales, we default everything to the United States. This includes certifications and release dates. The last_modified_at time is MST."

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iamlindoro:

gbee, so sounds like we'll want to get to 2.2 of the API as soon as he has that going

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gbee:

yup

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gbee:

let's hope that's in the next 2/3 months

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iamlindoro:

Or, alternately, you guys can learn our rating system ;)

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iamlindoro:

Last movie rating... done!

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, well though I appreciate you were joking, it's not so much the difference in the systems as the way they are applied ;) The US censors apply stricter ratings for things like nudity than other countries

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gbee:

or even mild profanity

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Though I'm sure it's true elsewhere as well, I get an appreciation from having set 300ish ratings that it is wildly variable how a movie will get rated

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iamlindoro:

even within our rating system

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iamlindoro:

Blazing Saddles is R

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iamlindoro:

yet other movies with tons of graphic violence are PG-13

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gbee:

yeah, it's never applied consistently in any country that I'm aware of, and censors have become more relaxed over the years/decades

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gbee:

well in the UK at least

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beata-:

running .23-fixes as of yesterday anyone seen when running scan for changes in mythvideo that it wipes away art fanart/banners from the videos? IE I press w on a video and it downloads the correct metta data, and the art is displayed. I then press m->scan for changes, and then navigate back to the same video and no art is being displayed/ no plot info nothing.

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wagnerrp:

beata-: is it possible youre running in 'browse' mode?

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wagnerrp:

in that mode, mythtv is detached from the database

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wagnerrp:

and runs off a temporary copy of the filesystem

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beata-:

checking

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wagnerrp:

under 'm'

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wagnerrp:

there should be 'enable/disable file browse mode'

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iamlindoro:

file browse mode shouldn't prevent metadata handling

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iamlindoro:

this sounds more like DB configuration issues/broken DB

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beata-:

im in list mode

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beata-:

in the videometadata table there are 2 rows for the same file, one with metadata, one without

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beata-:

i have to run bbin30

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wagnerrp:

bbin30?

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: I'm fixing up some US ratings as I go, where there is a release date but no rating

[21:06:16]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, awesome

[21:06:29]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, I did everything in my collection, but by the end of that I was out of energy

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stuartm:

painfully slow, it will take me some time just to cover what's in my collection

[21:06:51]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the only things i have on my plate for the bindings are some form of livetv mode (not high priority), the programinfo and database refactor (have to wait for those), and a slew of unicode stuff

[21:07:07]

wagnerrp:

other than that, its just assorted cleanup and bugfixes as they pop up

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, wagnerrp, I was thinking of a VERY basic live transcoder for the protocol-- ie, ONLY takes a width, height, and bitrate as arguments, and only spits out theora

[21:08:02]

iamlindoro:

could easily be replaced in the future, but would allow doing mythweb streaming "properly"

[21:08:39]

wagnerrp:

what is supported for audio?

[21:08:58]

iamlindoro:

Meh, I dunno, maybe 2 channel AAC or something like that

[21:08:59]

wagnerrp:

everyone is talking about theora va. h264 vs. maybe vp8

[21:09:08]

wagnerrp:

but ive never heard what browsers support as far as audio

[21:09:30]

wagnerrp:

certainly that falls under the same issues

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wagnerrp:

although mp3 is going to lapse in a couple years isnt it?

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iamlindoro:

yeah... just know that we can encode 2 channel AAC with what we've got built in and want to avoid a "oh, you didn't compile with libmp3lame" mess

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iamlindoro:

And pretty sure AAC is a safe bet too

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ! Warning – Creating an instance caused an error for one of: MythDBConn or MythVideo, error('staticmethod' object is not callable)

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wagnerrp:

you too huh?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

jamu or miro?

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iamlindoro:

This after removing everything, updating to current trunk, and re-installing

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iamlindoro:

jamu

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iamlindoro:

mirobridge seems to still be willing to run

[21:16:00]

iamlindoro:

FWIW, python 2.6, Ubuntu 10.04

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i got it to occur now too

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wagnerrp:

want to try http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/python.patch ?

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wagnerrp:

i switched from bad syntax to proper syntax

[21:19:10]

wagnerrp:

and forgot to remove a line

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wagnerrp:

although i cant recall why i had intentionally used the wrong syntax in the first place

[21:19:43]

wagnerrp:

i know i had a reason, but i cant remember what it was

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well, it gets further and crashes elsewhere

[21:20:07]

iamlindoro:

Though this might be a Jamu bug

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

does definitely fix the first bug, though

[21:20:35]

iamlindoro:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/426641/

[21:20:39]

wagnerrp:

xris: thats probably the issue you saw ^^^

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RDV_Linux_:

iamlindoro: I knew if I waiting long enough that would get said;)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux_, you and wagnerrp can tell me where the above lies

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iamlindoro:

that's on an -MW run, so it's an upcoming recording of "The Inbetweeners"

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wagnerrp:

looks like.... me again! :)

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RDV_Linux_:

iamlindoro: I am liikin now

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RDV_Linux_:

s/liikin/looking/

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: you get that over there?

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, Get which?

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iamlindoro:

oh, inbetweeners

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's on BBC America

[21:24:43]

iamlindoro:

It's pretty funny, I like it

[21:24:58]

wagnerrp:

are you running daniel's programinfo patch by any chance?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no, I'm not, BUT I have my own pginfo patch... I can back it out if I've done this to myself

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wagnerrp:

anything you changed that would have altered the number of fields returned in the programinfo structure?

[21:26:05]

iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

47->59

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RDV_Linux_:

wagnerrp: That call is just one of the base bindings calls. I have not resynced in a few days but I am not having any Jamu issues or hung processes.

[21:26:18]

wagnerrp:

eew....

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wagnerrp:

yep, that would do it

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wagnerrp:

the bindings are only designed for 47

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ok, no worries, sorry to bother you with that part then, I'll just back it out

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wagnerrp:

you would have similar problems with the perl bindings and mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Well, mythweb is behaving, I incremented the line number

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wagnerrp:

or anything using mythprotocol that doesnt use the internal libraries for dealing with communication

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iamlindoro:

as I did in the python bindings

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: it's not a BBC product, so I learn something new about BBC America :)

[21:27:32]

iamlindoro:

which worked until... well, sometime in the last few days

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, Yeah, I think they have a number of E4 programs too

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: bumping the fieldcount wont cut it, you need to go into MythData.py/Program

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wagnerrp:

and update the _field_order and _field_type to match

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no big deal, I'll just back it out, I'm dumping the patch anyway since daniel is ripping pginfo apart

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

so thats all the bugs for now?

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iamlindoro:

Well, need to get rebuilt real quick, but I'm sure it's fine

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wagnerrp:

looks like that was 24316 i broke that on

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wagnerrp:

i can always commit more if there are still problems

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ran through cleanly, thanks

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jst:

How come mythrename.pl was discontinued? :(

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wagnerrp:

because it wasnt

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wagnerrp:

it was renamed to mythlink.pl, to better represent what it actually does

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jst:

Roger.

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jst:

Thanks.

[21:37:31]

wagnerrp:

in addition, the capacity to rename recordings was removed

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wagnerrp:

now it only generates symlinks

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jst:

Yeah, which is kind of lame. :-X

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jst:

Sometimes *.png files get left over and I have to go in and remove them manually.

[21:38:53]

wagnerrp:

symlinks are lame?

[21:39:19]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to rename your recordings?

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iamlindoro:

because making them unplayable/unfindable with certain character sets is awesome :)

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: im wondering if it would be better to specify the kernel revision at which driver support was added for hardware

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: well I thought about it, but two things prevented me, 1) It would take days to compile that info 2) If it's documented, it should probably be in the linuxtv wiki

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

wasnt thinking about 2, but did consider 1 would be a problem

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stuartm:

I don't claim that what I've started is perfect, but I'm aiming to make it clear at a glance whether _Myth_ supports the hardware since there are really any number of factors outside myth's control which truely affect support

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stuartm:

and also categorise the hardware pages a little better than they are now

[21:45:00]

wagnerrp:

this link on this TOSLink page... is this some form of auction?

[21:45:21]

wagnerrp:

the item was posted on google today, and it says the item will expire in 30 days

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stuartm:

I'd appreciate input on the template and categorisation, maybe it can be combined with the table which appears on some card pages, and improved with wiki-fu to include conditionals to change colour based on a support/unsupported/unknown state

[21:47:06]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, wagnerrp, I'd really like to enable captcha on the wiki

[21:47:15]

iamlindoro:

curt7074 is going to be a spammer

[21:47:23]

stuartm:

and what about the choice of categories? Is it correct, or too restrictive? Should hybrid cards appear under the analog+digital categories etc?

[21:47:24]

iamlindoro:

all the spam lately has been from name+digits

[21:47:36]

iamlindoro:

So I've been banning those for three days

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iamlindoro:

pre-emptively

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the fact that the previous two were made only a minute apart, and probably from the same IP address...

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: well if no-one has any objections I'll see what I can do, technically I was given root on that server so I could do emergency restarts of apache etc, I've already done other things but I don't want to start making unilateral changes

[21:49:23]

iamlindoro:

stuartm, It seems like a captcha would be a relatively innocuous thing

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt need to restart apache to make changes to a wiki

[21:49:39]

iamlindoro:

The volume of spam has risen a lot in the past couple months for some reason

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dfletcher:

hmm jamu says "Skipping invalid name: /share/1/video/Movies/Wall-E.avi" and a bunch of similar. am I doing something wrong?

[21:50:30]

wagnerrp:

the tmdb grabber (which jamu duplicates) requires a near exact match of the filename

[21:50:40]

wagnerrp:

'wall-e' is not a match

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dfletcher:

ah

[21:50:47]

dfletcher:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

you need that funky dot character

[21:51:05]

wagnerrp:

whatever code that is

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iamlindoro:

think invalid filename actually means it's not an allowed extension

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dfletcher:

hard to believe though that all of my vids fail though

[21:51:25]

iamlindoro:

meaning you may have removed the avi extension from the mythvideo allowed types

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dfletcher:

only a few TV series seemed to be named OK

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dfletcher:

oh? if I did that it was an accident

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iamlindoro:

Worth a double check

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sid3windr:

OK's a weird name for a series anyway

[21:52:08]

dfletcher:

hrhr

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iamlindoro:

Jamu populates the allowed extensions from the DB, so if avi isn't there, it would call it invalid

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stuartm:

mini-series based on the life of Wyatt Earp

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stuartm:

ok, tenuous at best

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wagnerrp:

actually, iamlindoro is probably right, because 'Wall-E' does return a match

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dfletcher:

heh I just mean that it succeeded for a few series that were named with the "s[n]e[n]" convention

[21:54:05]

dfletcher:

oh and heh those tv shows were avi files so that's not the prob

[21:54:17]

dfletcher:

e.g. this is failing on "The Cell.iso"

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dfletcher:

The Matrix.iso

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dfletcher:

it's weird

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dfletcher:

They Live.avi

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dfletcher:

these names seem ok to me

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iamlindoro:

You could use the built in mythvideo lookup, that will work...

[21:54:54]

wagnerrp:

cripple fight!!!

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stuartm:

heh, TMDB triggers a massive memory leak in Opera, wondered why it was getting really slow, turns out it was swapping

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, Just wait until all the other browsers copy that feature

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stuartm:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Google Chrome RamMAX

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iamlindoro:

Firefox MemFill

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you think those users are actually bots?

[21:56:26]

iamlindoro:

yep

[21:56:41]

iamlindoro:

oh, you mean versus a human spammer?

[21:56:45]

wagnerrp:

yes

[21:56:46]

iamlindoro:

well, one way to find out

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stuartm:

waiting for the next release of Opera, Wintel/OSX versions have shipped but the linux one is delayed as they are re-writing it from the ground up

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wagnerrp:

'are you a bot? no lying...'

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stuartm:

'If you were a bot, what kind of bot would you be?'

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wagnerrp:

i would be a hot dog

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wagnerrp:

i'd smother mysqlf in brown mustard and relish. i'd be so delicious

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: by the way, did that fix your problems with hung jamu/bindings?

[22:02:54]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, need to give it a couple of hours to find out, it seems so though

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iamlindoro:

hahah

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iamlindoro:

http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content . . . w.mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

site is stalled

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iamlindoro:

it takes forever, just hang in there

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iamlindoro:

it's translating the given page into a 1990's era geocities page

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wagnerrp:

no, 'internal server error'

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wagnerrp:

ah, there we go

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wagnerrp:

wow

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wagnerrp:

thats painful

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

why did people EVER think that was worthwhile web design?

[22:10:42]

wagnerrp:

it needs more independently scrollable frames

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stuartm:

heh, it's lacking an MS Frontpage metatag

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wagnerrp:

hahaha.... 'campaign against frames' at the bottom

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stuartm:

I think xkcd did it better (true, there is was hand crafted)

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stuartm:

no marquee

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stuartm:

or animated email (postbox) image

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stuartm:

every site had one of those

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wagnerrp:

to be fair, i always considered angelfire to be worse

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ddrj:

hi everyone, has anyone here managed to get audio + video over hdmi running with the geforce 210 card?

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ddrj:

i have this specific card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 54-_-Product

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ddrj:

i followed these instructions, but still no luck: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_s . . . 20,_or_GT240

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ddrj:

even checked out some of the forums, sometimes alsamixer doesn't even come up

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ddrj:

other times it just doesn't recognize the card

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dfletcher:

aha! I was running jamu wrong. when I run it like the cron.hourly does – jamu.py -N -MW I actually get a python exception http://pastebin.com/UZNUdKQu

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dfletcher:

yeah bool isn't iterable :P

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dfletcher:

any jamu ppl here? ^^

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wagnerrp:

thats only because youre not trying hard enough

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dfletcher:

lol

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dfletcher:

ok iterate boolean: { true, false } :P

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RDV_Linux_:

dfletcher: Find out the version you are running "./jamu -v"

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dfletcher:

0.7.3

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RDV_Linux_:

hmm

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dfletcher:

oh heh hello R.D.Vaughan nice to meet you :P

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RDV_Linux_:

dfletcher: Have not seen that error before in any of my environments. I am not sure what is happening,

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dfletcher:

it's probably my setup. wifey watcing the frontend right now, so I haven't disabled the front end directory paths yet

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dfletcher:

it's complaining about those too

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: now that artwork can be rated on tmdb, can we start to download the top rated?

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RDV_Linux_:

dfletcher: I will be around.

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dfletcher:

cool, yeah I'll try that and see if it's the reason

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dfletcher:

if I ever get my TV back. damn you myth =)

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, it is automatically returned in the order of highest to lowest rating, or so I read in the API forum the other day

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dfletcher:

I knew the end was high when I saw "90210" in the recording rules :P

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RDV_Linux_:

stuartm: The ability to have top rated images will only be enabled if TMDB either provides them in that order or has an indicator. Right now we assume that the images are already sorted in the top rated order.

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: hmm, maybe it's the cache, but even before I rated the artwork for Blade Runner, the top rated wasn't the image that's being returned

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, most likely the API cache

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux_: is 'No overview found' something that they return, or inserted by the grabber

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, though the API timeouts are allegedly much faster now

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, it's a new thing in their API, we need to translate that back to "None"

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: or better, an empty string

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stuartm:

and leave it to the themer what the default should be

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iamlindoro:

Well, needs to match const QString VIDEO_PLOT_DEFAULT = QObject::tr("None");

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iamlindoro:

but we can always change what that is

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beata-:

iamlindoro: any ideas where i can debug to find out why my metadata is dissapering when i scan for changes

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i_is_cat:

anyone know if there will be a mythtv channel for the wii? :|

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wagnerrp:

i_is_cat: there will be as soon as you write one

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i_is_cat:

lol ya i am looking at the "bounty" page right now..

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wagnerrp:

the wii is too low resolution and too underpowered to be considered a worthwhile platform by any current dev

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stuartm:

can anyone remember what that high-res poster source was?

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i_is_cat:

ya its not the greatest system

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wagnerrp:

for $200, you may as well stick with an old VIA system

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wagnerrp:

and those are no great shakes either

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i_is_cat:

well i have a wii already i was just wondering if there would be a channel for myth

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wagnerrp:

now i would pay some serious bucks to get mythfrontend running on my casio fx7000g

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i_is_cat:

probably wouldnt support an ir blaster anyways..

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether you can modulate that sensor bar

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, http://www.movieposterdb.com/

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[R]:

booya

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: thanks that's the one I remember, forgot that it's not free

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[R]:

you need to know how to talk to those mofos

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i_is_cat:

actually.. if i can get the streaming thing working in mythweb it would be good enough on the wii for me anyways..

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[R]:

i just got a ton more channels for like $2 more than i'm paying now, but next month my bill was gonna go up like $10, so in the end i'm saving

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, np, yeah, worth it if you are really motivated, but otherwise it's usually possible to find something passable

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: in this case I can't find anything, debatable whether it's worth spending cash on, even â‚¬5 (I'll probably never use the other 99 credits)

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, what's the film?

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stuartm:

Sommersby – recorded for a family member, probably to be deleted once watched, which is why I'm not too bothered. Just thought I'd try and find a copy to fill a gap in TMDB

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stuartm:

FWIW – http://www.movieposterdb.com/poster/61cef3c9

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stuartm:

but I don't want anyone to spend credits on my behalf!

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, http://www.impawards.com/1993/posters/sommersby.jpg could probably do worse

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stuartm:

here, thought I'd checked impa

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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stuartm:

a fraction smaller than the min that TMDB asks for, but you can't be too picky with such an obscure film

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stuartm:

not that TMDB's upload is working, just sits spinning on the 'uploading' popup

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pheld:

is there a way to make the frontend ignore some removable devices? Get prompted to choose between optical, fd and a loopmounted ISO-image on startup and when entering mythmusic. I'd prefer to make it ignore the fd and the loop-mounted image.

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stuartm:

I can see that when it comes to voting for posters on TMDB, it will come down to a battle between those who like the original posters and those that prefer photo-shopped versions

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iamlindoro:

clever, Our rules about language apply to *all* myth channels. This is your last warning, or face a permanent ban. Enough is enough

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clever:

wasnt thinking about that

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clever:

i'll have to be more carefull

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iamlindoro:

time to start thinking

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clever:

iamlindoro: http://privatepaste.com/ea72abcde7

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iamlindoro:

all very old, but I'm aware I've been in violation of the rules before. That does not exempt you, a repeatedly warned offender, from them.

[23:45:38]

iamlindoro:

but please feel free to push your luck

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clever:

i know, i'm just pointing out youve said that word 218 times and ive only said it 75

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clever:

ive repeatedly broken it alot less, but i'll try to remember to not do it ever again

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iamlindoro:

clever, irrelevant, all that matters is behavior since we have tightened down on the rules. You have received much more slack than almost anyone. Do or do not, there is no try.

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clever:

i cant see a single ocurance from you since you gained +, so yeah they are old

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clever:

i'm off to try and fix the toasted router, 2nd time that room has killed one

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