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Friday, April 23rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

from my vimrc

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wagnerrp:

you can only write to the base of a storage group, and only if there is only a single folder listed in the SG

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wagnerrp:

it might just automatically select the first if there are multiple

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clever:

wagnerrp: i'm doing it via mv right now and instead of making an ugly php one i'm trying to make something more 'proper'

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wagnerrp:

i really need to do some cleanup on that ftopen function...

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wagnerrp:

its really far larger than it needs to be

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wagnerrp:

and im sure some of the sanity checks it does dont actually work properly

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clever:

ok, so i need to check against db.settings.NULL.AutoExpireExtraSpace

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clever:

python seems to think that 7 36 and 11 are all less then 10:S

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wagnerrp:

trying to do tests between integer and string values?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, seems to be a string value pulled out of the database

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clever:

one is 7L

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clever:

and the other is u'10'

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wagnerrp:

the settings will all be strings

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

youll need to convert them if necessary

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clever:

u meaning unicode string?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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clever:

int() id guess

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wagnerrp:

you just need to int() it

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wagnerrp:

right

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clever:

google helps:)

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clever:

yep, works now

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clever:

only listing the drives below auto-expire limit

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Azelphur:

got it working, over nine thousand workarounds

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wagnerrp:

anyone know what the reason for those split integers were?

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wagnerrp:

was that some qt3 limitation?

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Azelphur:

XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" fixes the X Errors, -O XineramaMonitorAspectRatio=4.0 fixes the insane aspect ratio ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/mythtvaspectratio.png ) and --geometry 1920x1200 fixes it spanning all of my displays \o/

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wagnerrp:

because its not used everywhere, i believe the storage group scan returns longs

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sphery:

Azelphur: don't use a -O override permanently--set the setting properly

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Azelphur:

sphery: oh, where do you set it?

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sphery:

in mythfrontend settings

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sphery:

under Appearance

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sphery:

in "Screen settings"

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://privatepaste.com/d558814dc6 how does this look?

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Azelphur:

sphery: I don't see an option in here to set that number

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Azelphur:

I see display on screen, monitor aspect ratio (with a few options of aspect ratio, but no manual setting), gui width height, gui offset x y, and a few tickboxes

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sphery:

"Monitor Aspect Ratio"

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sphery:

an 4 is meaningless

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Azelphur:

yea it doesn't have an option for me to set 4

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Azelphur:

it just has 4:3, 16:9, 16:10

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sphery:

those are the valid values

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sphery:

what is the aspect of your physical display?

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Azelphur:

sphery: my display doesn't fit into any of those categories, thats why I had to use the command line workaround

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sphery:

the one on which you are displaying MythTV

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Azelphur:

I have 2x1920x1200, so 3840x1200 (32:9)

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sphery:

well, I /seriously/ doubt you really have a 4:1 aspect on your TV

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wagnerrp:

clever: its usually easier to do 'from MythTV import MythDB, MythTV', and then you can do 'db = MythDB()'

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sphery:

Azelphur: but you said you're not displaying on both screens

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sphery:

so you want 16:9

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Azelphur:

yea, I tried 16:9

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wagnerrp:

clever: or you can just do 'from MythTV import *' to pull in everything

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sphery:

er, 16:10

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Azelphur:

the image above is what it looks like

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sphery:

then you have X misconfigured

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Azelphur:

with any of those settings 4:3, 16:9 16:10 don't really look much different

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Azelphur:

they are all squashed

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, since i'm not using much else it shouldnt have any colisions

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Azelphur:

sphery: yea, it's an X bug actually

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Azelphur:

because I have dual twinview it goes wonky.

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sphery:

s/bug/misconfiguration/

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clever:

wagnerrp: what about the part at the end to move the file, could that be pythonized more?

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Azelphur:

(quad screen, 2 separate x screens, 2 twinviews)

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Azelphur:

sphery: it's a known bug afaik

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sphery:

Azelphur: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards

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clever:

it finds any file that hasnt been accessed within 60 minutes (not in use) and then sorts by size

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clever:

i should probly make sure that file wont overfill the drive

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clever:

moving a 20gig file to a drive with 10gig free isnt going to help

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sphery:

Azelphur: but, again, the screen you're using to display MythTV is /not/ 4:1 aspect--which is what you're saying it is

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Azelphur:

sphery: I said I tried every single one

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Azelphur:

every single option in that box, one by one

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sphery:

Azelphur: I'm guessing MythTV sees it and says, "That's ludicrous, I'll use a proper default"

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Azelphur:

and they was all completely squashed

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sphery:

Azelphur: again, because your X is misconfigured

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Azelphur:

sphery: bugged :P

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sphery:

Azelphur: what's the ouput of xdpyinfo

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sphery:

pastebin, please

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wagnerrp:

clever: surprisingly, there doesnt seem to be anything in 'os' to move files

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Azelphur:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/774kJ3r2

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wagnerrp:

you can rename them, but that doesnt work if your doing it to another file system

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, same limits with the kernel api

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wagnerrp:

there are commands in shutil (http://docs.python.org/library/shutil.html)

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clever:

if you want to cross-fs move, you need to copy and rm

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wagnerrp:

but those are basically custom wrappers around the command line tools that do the same thing

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clever:

i dont mind using mv, but the find/ls/xargs part could be cleaned more

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wagnerrp:

but at least its easier than running your own system commands

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sphery:

Azelphur: and what is set for Display on screen?

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clever:

so python is aware of which file its mising and can do an extra safety check

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clever:

moving*

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Azelphur:

sphery: ?

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wagnerrp:

ive never used those commands

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sphery:

in mythfrontend settings

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Azelphur:

oh, 0

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sphery:

which is All?

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Azelphur:

no

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Azelphur:

which is 0.

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sphery:

no, all is -1

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clever:

wagnerrp: find "/media/mainlv/mythtv" -mount -maxdepth 1 -type f -amin +60 -print0, this will find all files that have been accessed over 60mins ago, and print it as a \0 seperated list

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Azelphur:

sphery: not for me

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clever:

xargs -0 will then read that from stdin, and give it as seperate arguments to ls

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Azelphur:

I have options 0, 1 or All

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sphery:

so it's 0, which is 3480x1200, and is listed as 1108x342mm

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sphery:

right, 0 is 0

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clever:

so its safe to have spaces and even \n in the file/path names

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wagnerrp:

clever: you would want to use stuff in the os module for that

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Azelphur:

sphery: yup

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Azelphur:

sphery: I do have fakexinerama setup so most things work

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Azelphur:

but I do have problems with games and other such things grabbing the incorrect resolution

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clever:

wagnerrp: wheres the online doc for os?

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Azelphur:

been like it for ages, never known how to fix it

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wagnerrp:

http://docs.python.org/library/os.html

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sphery:

ok, so it's the brokenness of using both Xinerama and TwinView together in a weird way

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clever:

thanks

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Azelphur:

sphery: yup

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wagnerrp:

specifically os.listdir and os.stat

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Azelphur:

something like that

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sphery:

so you're giving it garbage data

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sphery:

and the end result is it undoes the garbage that's the X config

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sphery:

so, I guess you can leave it

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sphery:

though 4 is wrong

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Azelphur:

yea, I changed it to 3 which looks nicer

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clever:

wagnerrp: so i just need to learn how to sort a list in python

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sphery:

it should be probably 3.2

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Azelphur:

I'll change it to that

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Azelphur:

wanna take a look at my xorg.conf incase you know how to fix it?

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sphery:

strange config, though

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sphery:

why both xinerama and twinview?

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Azelphur:

oh yea, I know I have a completely off the wall setup

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Azelphur:

sphery: no I don't use xinerama

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wagnerrp:

clever: there are some built in sorts, or you can write your own algorithm

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Azelphur:

I have 2 twinviews

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sphery:

actually, I have no idea on xinerama/twinview

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Azelphur:

sphery: so it's like separate X screens, only both X screens are twinview

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sphery:

how many monitors?

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Azelphur:

4

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clever:

wagnerrp: php has an array sort which takes a custom compare function, so i can tell it what is 'larger' then what

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Azelphur:

so 2 groups of 2

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clever:

wagnerrp: anything like that?

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sphery:

Azelphur: OK, I'm willing to agree that it may be twinview brokenness

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Azelphur:

yay \o/

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wagnerrp:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/HowTo/Sorting

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Azelphur:

<showoff> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/2010-03-31%2022.36.19.jpg </showoff>

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sphery:

if you find a way for MythTV to get the proper info from TwinView, feel free to write up a patch

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Azelphur:

sphery: I'm not a programmer but I would suggest getting it from xinerama

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sphery:

nice setup

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Azelphur:

ty :)

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wagnerrp:

i know at one point i wrote up a custom sorter function

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wagnerrp:

but i cant remember why

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clever:

sphery: i was wondering about how to give fake aspect ratio info a while back, to trick it into thinking my tv is 16:9

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Azelphur:

sphery: I requested a patch for cairo-dock to do the same, it pulls the xinerama screen information and has options for it and stuff, very nice implementation :)

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: man after my own heart

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sphery:

Azelphur: well, we already do get from xinerama what we can (and use it to display the Monitor Aspect Ratio and Display on Screen settings (which don't appear without Xinerama or its ilk)

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wagnerrp:

well... except for the big blue case in the back

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sphery:

since you're using TwinView (=nvidia's "Xinerama, my way, not using standards"), you get the settings

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clever:

sphery: just mythfrontend -O XineramaMonitorAspectRatio=16:9 ?

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sphery:

but since it's TwinView, it's not right

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clever:

even if its just 1 screen/monitor

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sphery:

clever: no, that's not a valid value

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: what big blue case in the back o.O

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Azelphur:

you mean the black one with blue leds?

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clever:

sphery: 1.7777?

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wagnerrp:

Azelphur: yeah

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sphery:

clever: there's a GUI that sets it for you :)

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: don't hate my antec 1200 :o

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clever:

sphery: i'll dig around, its near appearance?

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Azelphur:

that's a lovely case, my mum calls it darth vader.

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sphery:

this is exactly why we have a GUI--so users can't provide invalid values :)

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sphery:

(unless they do overrides with bad data)

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sphery:

clever: in Appearance under Screen Settings

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sphery:

and only appears if you have Xinerama

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clever:

ok

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clever:

i might not have xinerama enabled

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sphery:

otherwise it /always/ uses the X config

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sphery:

so you'd just have to configure X for 16:9 aspect

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clever:

where would i set it under X?

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sphery:

DisplaySize or DPI or ...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/desktop/P5220003.JPG

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards

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clever:

ok

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sphery:

DisplaySize makes the most sense since you can actually choose any value that's the right ratio

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sphery:

if you set DPI, you have to do the math to figure out, "With this DPI and this resolution, what is the calculated aspect ratio."

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clever:

it makes more sense to stretch it to fullscreen at the tv, then clip out half the horizontal res

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sphery:

however, you might need to override the EDID to make it work

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clever:

composite video, no edid back from the tv

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: fun :)

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wagnerrp:

the one on the right has had several dead columns for the last ~5yrs

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sphery:

ah, yeah, then edid shouldn't be an issue (which is good since I've never seen it get good info from a TV)

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wagnerrp:

and the center one is going too

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wagnerrp:

either the backlight or ballast is going

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sphery:

they lie to make Windows look "nice" and then they scale the desktop to fit

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wagnerrp:

but that 7yr old Sony and the 9yr old laptop are still both going plenty strong

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clever:

sphery: ive also heard storyes of the edid prom getting corrupt on the hdtv, causing the computer to refuse to even boot

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clever:

sounds like the horror stories of harddrive lieing to windows and killing performance

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clever:

4k sectors on the psy drive, but it claims 512 because windows cant handle 4k

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clever:

then linux doesnt know any better because of the lie, and winds up with the FS blocks offset 512 bytes inside a sector, covering 2 sectors

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: hehe, I just replaced all mine a few months back

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Azelphur:

I had CRT's :D

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clever:

so it has to read&rewrite 2 sectors to change 1 sector worth of data (normaly 1 blind write)

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Azelphur:

got a good deal though, all 4 monitors only set me back £752 ($1157)

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wagnerrp:

i really like that Sony

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wagnerrp:

it was $450 for a 17" TN monitor way back when i bought it

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wagnerrp:

but IMO its still better and considerably more reliable than the 20" Samsung (also TN)

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wagnerrp:

thats like 3yrs newer

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Azelphur:

my monitors are completely unreliable, they crash.

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wagnerrp:

monitors... crash?

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Azelphur:

got an open fault with Iiyama about it, it's fun.

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Azelphur:

wagnerrp: yup, seriously

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wagnerrp:

wtf...?

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Azelphur:

sometimes they won't turn on, sometimes they won't turn off, sometimes they are on but freeze, sometimes I get really weird graphical issues with them like multicolored bars or faint grey lines across the screen

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sphery:

Mine would fail to resync after a vid mode change, but it now works fine with kms. crashing, though, seems wrong...

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Azelphur:

it's great fun.

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wagnerrp:

the one on the right sort-of crashed

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wagnerrp:

its got a big 4"x4"x1" power brick

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wagnerrp:

that would overheat, causing the monitor to shutdown

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sphery:

Azelphur: you sure that's not from the nvidia heaters you're running it off of? Of maybe for some of the lines, all the cables interfering?

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sphery:

(joking)

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Azelphur:

hehe

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Azelphur:

sphery: Iiyama are telling me it's because I use VGA to DVI converters

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wagnerrp:

converters? or adapters?

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sphery:

DVI-A? shouldn't be any magic/problems with that

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Azelphur:

adapters, these things http://www.datapro.net/images/1145-B.jpg

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Azelphur:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

i ended up buying a pair of Slot-2 Xeon heatsinks

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Azelphur:

they even shipped me out another monitor with the DVI circuitry on it to test – it hasn't crashed so far

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wagnerrp:

and zip-tying them onto either side of the power brick

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sphery:

sounds like they may be saying, "We say we suport DVI-A, but we really don't have good support for it."

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Azelphur:

lol

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Azelphur:

well I'll probably give it a little while more and if not call them up again and see what they say

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Azelphur:

sounds like I may well be getting a free upgrade

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Fringe night!

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wagnerrp:

i dont think it can compete with last week's

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sphery:

last week's was great

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sphery:

if this week's isn't as great, at least there's an episode of Supernatural airing to make up for the disappointment

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wagnerrp:

and youll have a nice script downloader to play with

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

that sounds good, too

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wagnerrp:

its pretty much done, i just cant come up with a reliable way to search for the file

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sphery:

so with supernatural, they keep adding new episodes to tv.com--I don't know how many there are

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sphery:

maybe 3 left...

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wagnerrp:

the 'code' template doesnt provide any sort of id, or special identifier

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wagnerrp:

and i have to search three levels below the 'div' tag to find the name

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wagnerrp:

bah! bah i say!

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** wagnerrp grumbles about mediawiki arbitrarily adding nbsp's **

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sphery:

some of the scripts I pasted in may have had end-of-line whitespace--I didn't clean them up at all

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wagnerrp:

no, for some reason it puts those in before both of the ';;' lines in change-channel-lirc.sh

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wagnerrp:

\xa0 in pythonese, which breaks as soon as it tries to dump to file

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Beirdo:

humbug

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_tom_:

hey guys, I'm having trouble with my sql server

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_tom_:

from the local machine that it is running on, if I connect to 127.0.0.1 I log in in less than 1 second

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wagnerrp:

did you allow network logins on your mysql server?

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_tom_:

if I connect from the same machine but use the IP address of the machine (192.18.1.50) it takes about 1 minute to log in

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wagnerrp:

but it eventually logs in?

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_tom_:

yes

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_tom_:

just VERY slow

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wagnerrp:

funky

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_tom_:

so I get really long lags on my FE

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wagnerrp:

you arent doing something like using wireless, and flooding the connection with a data transfer at the same time, are you?

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_tom_:

Well, I am using wireless

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wagnerrp:

then run wires

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_tom_:

but this is on the same machine that the sql server is on

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wagnerrp:

yeah... the network stack should be keeping that traffic internal, and it should never even touch the wireless card

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wagnerrp:

but you should still run wires

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_tom_:

unfortunatley I can't do that in my apartment

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_tom_:

would love to though

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_tom_:

any idea what to look at on the sql server

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but you should still run wires

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not like wireless

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wagnerrp:

especially if you are trying to stream HD

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_tom_:

bandwidth?

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wagnerrp:

or are in an otherwise noisy environment, like an apartment building

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_tom_:

only apt in the building

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wagnerrp:

802.11g is marginally capable of streaming ATSC recordings in a clean environment as it is

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_tom_:

but in an urban area with lots of SSIDs out there

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_tom_:

I'm using 802.11n

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wagnerrp:

but if you have multiple clients, or multiple nearby access points, or cordless phones, or baby monitors, or microwaves, or any of a hundred other devices that all share the same spectrum, youre going to have dropouts

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_tom_:

is that fast enough?

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wagnerrp:

802.11n wont be as bad

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wagnerrp:

but youre still going to suffer the same intermittent dropouts as g

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_tom_:

I see

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv was designed to be used on a reliable network, there is very limited caching done

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_tom_:

is the cashing configurable?

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

So tonight's 30 Rock has some hilarious background comments... I'm Jarem.

[03:46:23]

sphery:

(first episode from tonight that is)

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sphery:

mainly backreferences out of context and not really easy to catch

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_tom_:

wagnerrp, do you think I should try disconencting the wireless to see if my mysql problem goes away?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what might cause a problem that that

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wagnerrp:

the 'wireless' explanation was a blind guess that should never happen with a sane network stack anyway

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sphery:

_tom_: sounds like a problem with name resolution (yes, mysql does name resolution when you use IP addresses--part of its security model)

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wagnerrp:

ssh will do some form of DNS reverse lookup which can cause long timeouts, mysql doesnt have anything like that does it?

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sphery:

it's doing a reverse lookup of 192.whatever to get hostname

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wagnerrp:

i suppose it does

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sphery:

heh, pretty sure it does

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wagnerrp:

so it seems youll want to set up a DNS server, or populate your hosts files

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sphery:

since it needs to find the most-restrictive security policy and apply it

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sphery:

so is it true that the 13 root servers will all be using DNSSEC come May 1?

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wagnerrp:

havent been following dnssec

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sphery:

(on a completely unrelated, off-topic)

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sphery:

I thought I heard that they will /require/ it as of May 1

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sphery:

and if your name server doesn't support it, your name server will be useless

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_tom_:

OK, makes sense. Thanks for the help. I'll check it out and see if that helps.

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tstellar:

I have some .mpg files of TV shows that were not recorded using mythtv. Is there some way I can add them to my mythtv database, so I can use the commercial flagging tool?

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_tom_:

sphery: interesting line in my /var/log/messages:

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_tom_:

Apr 22 09:32:00 linux dhcpcd[3126]: wlan0: Failed to lookup hostname via DNS: Temporary failure in name resolution

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_tom_:

Think that points to what you were suggesting?

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sphery:

_tom_: yeah, a hosts entry would likely fix it

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sphery:

on the mysql server have a hosts entry for the hosts from which you'll log in to provide their IP's

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_tom_:

OK, can I use anything for the host name or does it have to be something special?

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sphery:

OK, sounds like the dnssec support isn't being required--just that if you have a bad network implementation that assumes UDP packets must be <512 bytes, you'll have a problem.

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sphery:

_tom_: should be the same hostname that your system is configured with

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sphery:

and /not/ localhost :)

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wagnerrp:

i thought mythweb only supported videos over storage groups now

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think it's in transition (it supports only videos over SG's, but only some of them...)

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sphery:

_tom_: you can find out your local hostname by running the command "hostname" (no quotes) on each computer

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_tom_:

linux:/etc # hostname

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_tom_:

linux

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_tom_:

how original – lol

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_tom_:

OK guys, got to run – thanks for hte help

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wagnerrp:

and kormoc isnt online to ask

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mzb:

how long is it *likely* to take to update RSS in MythNetVision?

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wagnerrp:

rss should be pretty quick

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wagnerrp:

assuming the page hosting the rss responds in a timerly manner

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mzb:

>1hr doesn't sound too good then? ;) ... and that's on two separate hosts

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wagnerrp:

now how long until MNV decides to expire the rss feed and re-download it? i have no idea

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mzb:

hmm ... can't cancel it either

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wagnerrp:

mzb: is this an RSS refresh youre doing? or a full grabber run?

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mzb:

errr ... updated the site feeds, now updating RSS

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mzb:

(from MENU)

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mzb:

not sure if I even have any RSS subscriptions

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mzb:

(unless it happens without me knowing;)

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt unless you manually added them yourself

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

don't recall adding any

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mzb:

ok, so I've killed both the FE's and all seems OK

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mzb:

except

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mzb:

there's nothing visible when I browse ... searching works fine

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** mzb wonders if he remembers reading about this in the wiki **

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mzb:

err ... browse mode seems to go empty after I change view mode. I guess I should update my code before I ask any more silly questions.

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mzb:

(it's probably been a few weeks)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just never going to give it up are you...

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wagnerrp:

anyone in here know their PHP?

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ramindia:

hi iam having issue w_scan before i setup mythTV iam scanning for channels, but i do not see any results

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ramindia:

http://pastebin.com/Q6KJWphC

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wagnerrp:

thats not mythtv

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wagnerrp:

thats some 3rd party scan utility

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ramindia:

even i tried scan

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wagnerrp:

youre also using an ATSC card in India, which uses DVB-T

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wagnerrp:

not sure how you even managed to purchase an ATSC card in india

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wagnerrp:

they shouldnt be sold there

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ramindia:

i got it from USA, it works in XP and Vista

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wagnerrp:

sure, but it doesnt work in india

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ramindia:

oh why it was working in XP right

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wagnerrp:

what card is that, specifically?

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ramindia:

Hauppauge WinTV-HVR1800

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wagnerrp:

yep, thats an ATSC card, the drivers arent picking it up improperly

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wagnerrp:

that card wont work in india

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wagnerrp:

india uses DVB-T, while that card only receives ATSC

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ramindia:

oh how about this "Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01"

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ramindia:

wagnerrp: what card you recomend then ?

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wagnerrp:

thats probably the analog half of that card, which does NTSC

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ramindia:

I have 2 cards .. 2 cards i mentioned here..

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wagnerrp:

also not usable in india where they use PAL instead

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wagnerrp:

there is a reason you had to go out of your way and ship that card all the way from the US

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wagnerrp:

because it doesnt work where you are, only in north america

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ramindia:

wagnerrp: oh it was working in Vista in india, so i thought i can install in ubuntu too

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wagnerrp:

and you could tune and watch channels in vista?

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ramindia:

yes

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ramindia:

even with this card "Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01""

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ramindia:

both cards working Vista and XP

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markl_:

ok i was rebooting and mythtv missed the start of a show; is there any way to wake it up so it will start recording it?

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markl_:

in mythweb it showed with a dotted box around it instead of the normal green one

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ramindia:

wagnerrp: if i want to use in linux in india, what card i need to buy ?

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wagnerrp:

i (and wikipedia, and dvb.org) could be wrong here, but india is a pal/dvb-t country

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wagnerrp:

meaning an ntsc/atsc card like that will not work

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wagnerrp:

in linux or windows

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wagnerrp:

if you want a card that will work properly, see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices

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wagnerrp:

justdave: you in?

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ramindia:

wagnerrp: thanks.. let me work around

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ramindia:

but i have "Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01"" its pal-G

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ramindia:

PAL BG

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wagnerrp:

justdave: re #8374

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wagnerrp:

im going to leave kormoc to close it if he wishes (he probably will)

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wagnerrp:

thanks for the effort and the patches, however that is not the direction mythvideo is headed

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wagnerrp:

local scans would need the file hash routine you put up there, however mythweb no longer uses local mythvideo content

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wagnerrp:

it does (IMHO) bad things performing a local file scan against storage group content

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wagnerrp:

the proper way to handle it is to let the backend do much of the hard work for you

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wagnerrp:

with http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST_(Myth_Protocol) and http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_FILE_HASH_(Myth_Protocol)

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wagnerrp:

that said, i wouldn't recommend writing a new scanner without talking to kormoc and/or Captain_Murdoch first

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wagnerrp:

as the scan procedure is likely to change prior to the release of 0.24

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wagnerrp:

sphery: what are the odds other-walter is going to play some part in all of this at some point

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iamlindoro:

110%

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wagnerrp:

i mean just imagine what other-walter could have come up with had he not spend the same 20yrs in the nuthouse

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wagnerrp:

even odds hes behind all of this

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iamlindoro:

I'd say better than even odds

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iamlindoro:

since that episode I feel pretty certain it has to be

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wagnerrp:

in completely unrelated news, apparently chinese citizens are setting up and using proxies in droves, to bypass the firewall in order to access.... the twitter feed of a japanese porn star

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tzanger:

lawl

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I just finished the episode, and I was thinking the exact same thing

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sphery:

(about other walter, not about japanese porn stars)

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wagnerrp:

dont lie, we know youre all about those japanese porn stars

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: from the comment on #8374, the bigger issue is that mythweb does its own local file scan for storage group content

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wagnerrp:

the whole thing just needs to be rewritten

[07:06:44]

wagnerrp:

although wasnt there some discussion about that in #mythtv a couple weeks ago?

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justinh:

bloody random play on my car stereo. now I've got the theme tune to 'Monkey' stuck in my head

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JohnQP:

Comcast^WXfinity seems to have changed my lineup a bit. Bastards.

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pak0:

i have a seriously problem with the tuners xD

[07:55:50]

justinh:

a seriously problem? sounds er... seriously

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pak0:

its a long fight with some devices

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pak0:

and all of these got the infamous af9015 chipset, i hate it...

[07:57:14]

justinh:

should've done your research before buying them then eh

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pak0:

two days working fine with mythtv, this mornign work fine, my children wathc ben 10, now i return, press button to watch tv, shows the last channels fine, i change to channel and.... BREAKS!!!

[07:57:55]

justinh:

then again I never did. I just bought a 'dvb-t tuner card' on ebay & hoped for the best.. but then I wasn't buying for linux

[07:58:07]

pak0:

next i restart my computer, and watching tv only shows black screen

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pak0:

justinh, i uses v4l wiki before buy a new adapter

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pak0:

and people says, the af9015 work fine in a lot of devices

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pak0:

but i have tested 2 or 3 devices and on all i have the same problem, on setup i set the correct tuner, watch tv, but in about 4 or 5 hours, the device disconnect or something and i only can watch a black screen :)

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pak0:

the devices is showed correctly on dmesg :P

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pak0:

now i removed the device, replugged and ... af9015: I2C read failed reg:9bee

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pak0:

and i have the latest firm

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JohnQ:

Crap. Looks like Comcast stopped broadcasting comedy central digitally.

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JohnQ:

And of course the channel scanner in myth seems to be broken still. Joy.

[08:17:38]

SirColin:

can anyone tell me how to add a slave backend to my existing front/backend setup i have installed mythbackend but it's not seeing a database by the looks of things when i run setup ???

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Ratok:

hello i got a weird problem, MythTV-Setup states when i try to close it "Error: Failed to set channel to Bitte Send"

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Ratok:

after closing it, i get the following error in the log when trying to open livetv (which closes instantly) TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to "Bitte Send". Reverting to kState_None

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Ratok:

i think it got stucked in channel search and saved something strange in the database

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Ratok:

anyone got an idea?

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pak0:

how can i detect when is my dvb-usb disconnected and why?

[09:49:06]

clever:

udev can probly be configured to run a script when its disconnected

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pak0:

work fine, but if a i live from watch tv, and return a few hours later, then i only can watch a black screen

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pak0:

i really dont know if it is disconnect or what is worng, because if i do dmesg, show my adapter and loads the correct firmware, but if i do watch tv, only shows black screen and if i change to another channels, says locked and change to another input

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clever:

if its truely disconnected then it should disapear from /dev/

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Ratok:

anyone got a clue to my strange error?

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Jester-Droid:

hey guys.. my mbe seems to be losing ota recordings.. they show up in the recording list but says it cant find them upon trying to playback

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Jester-Droid:

feel free to PM me with any ideas as im at work and on via droid.. cant keep an eye on the chat room

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Azelphur:

is there any reason mythtv frontend doesn't work so well with a mouse? is it just that nobody has written it yet?

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Azelphur:

I have a touch screen gadget, figure it'd be awesome if it worked with myth :P

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GreyFoxx:

It was written to be used with a remote control, not with a mouse :)

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GreyFoxx:

There is more and more mouse support in some areas as everything is converted over to mythui but a lot has limited or no mouse support

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Azelphur:

I see

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Azelphur:

so it's on the way long story short

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Jester-Droid:

just use a Droid via network remotr ;) lol

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Azelphur:

haha

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Azelphur:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bFlo00yQhj8/SwXQcFG . . . +Radio+1.JPG + kitchen + touch screen mythtv = win

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GreyFoxx:

What unit is that ?

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GreyFoxx:

If you can upload your own code to be triggered by those buttons you could use the telnet interface to control myth

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Jester-Droid:

i wish u could forward the ui to the droid tho.. kind of had to navigate thru menus to the radio from the bathroom over network remote alone lol.. not to mention if u could do playback to the droid it'd b amazing..

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Azelphur:

GreyFoxx: it's an O2 Joggler, was on offer recently for £50

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Azelphur:

1.3ghz atom, 512mb ram, boots from USB, pretty fun

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

not a bad price

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Azelphur:

indeed

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GreyFoxx:

For thatr price I'm sure I could find a use assuming it has wifi...though you could use a usb wifi adapter I suppose

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Azelphur:

it has "built in" wifi

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Azelphur:

GreyFoxx: http://www.madeo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/201 . . . ler_open.jpg

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Azelphur:

see the bottom right for what I mean by "built in" :P

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Azelphur:

internal usb socket, oh the fun that can be had

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Jester-Droid:

you can get that for 50???

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Jester-Droid:

wonder how much i could get that for here in the us..

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Azelphur:

Jester-Droid: yea, it's awesome :o

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Azelphur:

dunno, it was on half price offer

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GreyFoxx:

Nice. too bad they don't have them locally

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johnnyj:

help – I started an create dvd process and I didn't realize my default was on pal format – so I asked it to cancel and it's still running

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johnnyj:

python /usr/local/share/mythtv/mytharchive/scripts/mythburn.py

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Azelphur:

was funny, someone piped up in #ubuntu-uk with the specs, price, and that it could boot from USB

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Azelphur:

people was buying them so fast, must have been selling like 1 every 5 seconds, people was buying 3 at a time and stuff, madness xD

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jst_:

God, that little toy looks/sounds awesome.

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Azelphur:

indeed

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mag0o:

johnnyj: it takes it a bit to cancel the process if i recall

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I'd order one now if they would let me :)

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Azelphur:

there's already a ubuntu netbook remix fork for it, android boots with no touch screen or wifi, and MeeGo is in the works

[13:35:35]

Azelphur:

and it's only been a couple weeks

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jst_:

There was a device that hak5 was crazy about.

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jst_:

I don't think it was as capable as the Joggler though.

[13:37:30]

jst_:

Can't remember the name of it for some reason.

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Azelphur:

hehe

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Azelphur:

only down side to the joggler is it only has 1GB of external storage so you're limited to boot from USB

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johnnyj:

mag0o: yep – looks like I wasn't patient enough – yet again

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johnnyj:

thanks

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Jester-Droid:

something tells me having irc on my droid is going to negatively impact my productivity lol

[13:50:52]

Ratok:

hello i got a weird problem, MythTV-Setup states when i try to close it "Error: Failed to set channel to Bitte Send"

[13:51:04]

Jester-Droid:

Azelphur.. i bet you could put Arch Linux (htpc version) on 1 gig.. dunno how large the myth FE/remote is tho..

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Ratok:

after closing it, i get the following error in the log when trying to open livetv (which closes instantly) TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to "Bitte Send". Reverting to kState_None

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Azelphur:

hehe

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Ratok:

does anyone got an idea what to do?

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Dibblah:

Azelphur: No, you're not. You can stick in an internal SD card or NFS or ...

[14:00:23]

Azelphur:

wat?

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Dibblah:

In the Joggler.

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Azelphur:

there is no SD card slot, you'd have to fit one

[14:01:07]

Dibblah:

There's 2 unpopulated USB ports.

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Azelphur:

I know, I said that?

[14:01:38]

Azelphur:

also 1 of them isn't unpopulated unless you feel like loosing wifi

[14:01:51]

Dibblah:

No, you didn't.

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Azelphur:

(14:30:29) Azelphur: internal usb socket, oh the fun that can be had

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Dibblah:

http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Additional_USB_Ports

[14:02:27]

Dibblah:

"unpopulated"

[14:02:38]

Dibblah:

As in there are no sockets.

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Azelphur:

fun

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Dibblah:

Yeah. I discovered that PCI-e should be fairly easy too :)

[14:05:26]

Dibblah:

Of course, I have no hardware at this time :(

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Azelphur:

hehe

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Azelphur:

surely there's not enough space inside for all that

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Dibblah:

If you really care about the case... :)

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pak0:

arclight theme is not free?

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janneg:

no, it is

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Jester-Droid:

build a new back of the case with a vac mold

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pak0:

but i have alot of pixels background

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janneg:

pak0: and how is that related to not being free? it uses dynamic background images, those images are of course not included

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pak0:

ups

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pak0:

then i have to read the wiki for do the same i think

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pak0:

very wel

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pak0:

very well*

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pak0:

arclight its very pretty

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pak0:

i want to test it with videos, and the graber too

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pak0:

but, jamu stills in development or are more stable now?

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RDV_Linux:

pak0: You do not need jamu to get images and meta data. Use the MythVideo "w" key. Jamu has been out and functioning since 0.22 and is targeted as a mass update of a large collection.

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pak0:

ok ok

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pak0:

thank you very much RDV_Linux

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RDV_Linux:

np

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pak0:

i want to test it now

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pak0:

i hate to stay all time jumping from mythtv to xbmc

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pak0:

and we have support now for series and movies on each menu? on all in one?

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Jester-Droid:

can we get jamu added to the menu in mythvideo

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: What would you be trying to accomplish by doing that?

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: Jamu emulates what MythVideo already functionally does. The difference that MythVideo does one video at a time and Jamu works on your video collection as a whole.

[14:50:43]

Jester-Droid:

instead of pressing 'w' .. i use remote only so no w key.. tho i do ssh in..

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Jester-Droid:

its just not intuitive to use the w key to run jamu..

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RDV_Linux:

pak0: 0.22 and up has supported TV series and Movies from the one MythVideo interface. For videos without images or metadata the video file name determines which type your video is assumed to be. Check the wiki on supported filename formats.

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: The MythVideo "w" is a short cut key to functionality on a menu for downloading metadata. Jamu is never used by MythVideo in any way. MythVideo uses separate grabbers and code to get metadata and images.

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Jester-Droid:

ohhh i understand now... how do u initiate jamu then?

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Jester-Droid:

.. havent used it yet.. obv

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: Most people run Jamu once to get the images and metadata for their collection (mass update). A metadata kick start so to speak. Then as new videos are added the use MythVideo.

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Jester-Droid:

yeah.. i relocated my videos and it didnt carry the Mdata so i have to redo it.. do u just install jamu and run jamu via term?

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: After the mass update people will run three cron jobs for Jamu. (1) an hourly to get images for the Watch Recordings screen (-MW) options (2) a weekly (-MJ) janitor cronjob to clean up unused graphics,

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: (3) a (-M) regular maintenance cronjob that is run ever few days (at most) that add data from TVDB or TMDB that was not available when the mass update was done. Check out the Jamu wiki page for details.

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RDV_Linux:

Jester-Droid: Jamu is already installed if you are using MythTV 0.22 or higher.

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Jester-Droid:

ok thanks man

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Jester-Droid:

def need that...

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Jester-Droid:

how much cpu load does it put on the cron system.. i have over 200 movies.. length of process for that?

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Jester-Droid:

and can u add cron jobs via terminal (ssh) .. at work so id have to do it via droid lol

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wagnerrp:

Jester-Droid: most cron systems just use a text file for management

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wagnerrp:

try 'crontab -e'

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wagnerrp:

or maybe edit /etc/crontab directly

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Jester-Droid:

ok thanks

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dgilmore:

anyone using mythtv with dishnetwork?

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wagnerrp:

several, whats the question?

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dgilmore:

wondering how people deal with the recievers going to sleep

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wagnerrp:

such that you have to hit the power button to turn it back on?

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wagnerrp:

or can you use the remote?

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wagnerrp:

is there a button that will bring it out of standby but not turn it off?

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dgilmore:

well you have to hit select for it to become active again

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dgilmore:

i disabled the standby after 4 hrs default

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dgilmore:

but when the reciever does its daily software update it goes to sleep

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dgilmore:

and i cant disable the software update

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wagnerrp:

add that command to your channel change script?

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wagnerrp:

put it on a cron?

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dgilmore:

i have it in cron right now

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dgilmore:

but its failed a couple of times to work

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dgilmore:

I dont know if the software update took to long

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dgilmore:

or if it was something else

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dgilmore:

anyway i thought id see what others are doing to deal with it

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dgilmore:

so far im really unsatisfied with my switch to dish

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** iamlindoro wonders why one would need a script to handle external drives with photos, since photo data isn't kept in the DB (ie, you can just have your drive mount in your photos dir and browse them fine) **

[15:45:54]

wagnerrp:

pretty much...

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wagnerrp:

of course these are the same users who are calling their HDHRs with only the local channels 'bricked'

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iamlindoro:

yeah, heh, I chuckled at that

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wagnerrp:

you need to put the bar a bit lower

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dgilmore:

wagnerrp: i need to unplug the cable and plug an antena into my HDHR

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wagnerrp:

dgilmore: no you dont

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wagnerrp:

you should pick up almost as many stations over that cable as you do over an antenna

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dgilmore:

wagnerrp: well right now its still plugged into cable, and im getting ota channels

[15:48:09]

wagnerrp:

however your cableco may recompress them to a lower quality than you would get over an antenna

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dgilmore:

but last i tried i actually got more ota channels ota than though cable

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wagnerrp:

correct, cable will only carry the 'must carry' channels

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wagnerrp:

and then only those in your local area

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dgilmore:

cable is only still connected because of internet

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wagnerrp:

if you have a nice and/or directional antenna, you can pick up more

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wagnerrp:

but that IN NO WAY makes your HDHR bricked

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dgilmore:

since im no longer paying for cable i may as well get a couple of extra channels

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dgilmore:

:) i wouldnt say it does make it briked

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wagnerrp:

that whole 'comcast bricked my HDHR' thread was a practice in ignorance

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wagnerrp:

of course they dont seem to be able to learn, so that actually makes them stupid

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dgilmore:

part of why i dropped comcast was that twice in the last month they moved all the channels around. part of it was the price rise they just announced. and part of it was the move to digital, forcing me to have to deal with set top boxes

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wagnerrp:

brif8: what version of mythtv?

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brif8:

latest I think where do I check

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend --version

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brif8:

MythTV Version : 22594

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brif8:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-22-fixes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that version doesnt support analog scanning

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brif8:

ok which version does?

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wagnerrp:

either upgrade to 0.23, or manually enter the channels

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brif8:

okay do I just need the mythtv-0.23-rc2 tarball or do I need the latest of the others also?

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wagnerrp:

as always, you should be running from the 0.23 fixes branch rather than any of the tarballs

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wagnerrp:

are you running source currently?

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wagnerrp:

if not, there should be packages for 0.23 available for your distro to use

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brif8:

no I did the Ubuntu 9.10 install from apt-get

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wagnerrp:

there are 0.23 packages available for 9.10

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brif8:

doing a apt-cache search myth I do not see anything marked 0.23

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brif8:

I don't mind compiling from the source if necessary

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wagnerrp:

you need to switch to a different repo, i dont know any more beyond that

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wagnerrp:

try in #ubuntu-mythtv

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brif8:

okay will try there

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brfransen:

on .23-fixes since 24204 went in many of my dvds, isos and video_ts don't play and even have problems getting to the menu

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wagnerrp:

isos and video_ts folders work just fine with 0.23-fixes

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brfransen:

the frontend log has a bunch of AFD Error: Unknown decoding error

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brfransen:

and it locks up the frontend

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iamlindoro:

24204 doesn't have anything to do with video playback?

[16:08:24]

iamlindoro:

It's a UI change, and not anywhere having to do with playback of DVD, ISO, or video_TS

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wagnerrp:

dvds too... mistook this as another case of trying to use ISOs over storage groups

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brfransen:

I know it is just a ui change but for some reason rolling back to 24177 and everything works fine

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brfransen:

go to 24205 and they dont

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iamlindoro:

And rolling back to 24203?

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iamlindoro:

It sounds like you're blaming whatever the penultimate revision is, not actually bisecting

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brfransen:

I just did those two because they were the ones listed in the changelog as changes to 23-fixes

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iamlindoro:

Ah, you're right

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iamlindoro:

anyway, there is just no way that change could have any effect on playback of DVDs

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iamlindoro:

It *only* touches code in the "Watch Recording" screen

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brfransen:

that is what I thought from looking at the code

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wagnerrp:

from 0.23–24177 to 0.23–24204, there was not a single commit made

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brfransen:

I mean 24205...24204 was what 24205 backported

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dserban:

wow, I just wasted a bunch of my life reading the -users mailing list. I think it'd be feasible to do up a FAQ at some point. The issues cropping up repeat themselves ad nauseum.

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wagnerrp:

dserban: wont help any

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** dserban awaits the trout **

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wagnerrp:

the users dont read the existing FAQ and wiki articles that already exist to cover most of those issues theyre talking about

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dserban:

wagnerrp, yeah, well it may if someone codes a robot to point them to the FAQ page on the wiki.

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dserban:

:P

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wagnerrp:

nor do they read the archives to find the thread three weeks back where someone already answered their exact question

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dserban:

meh

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dserban:

so much wasted human effort, don't they know that all that time they spend re-inventing the wheel, that they could be learning C++?

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wagnerrp:

no, they dont

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wagnerrp:

and thats why there are so few people contributing to mythtv

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dserban:

oh btw, the wiki page for the devel list is heck-a outta date.

[16:35:05]

dserban:

nvm

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wagnerrp:

and so many more who have come up with a great new ideas like rewriting the scheduler, and then expect someone else to do the work for them

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sphery:

and without ever even attempting to understand the current scheduler

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sphery:

and why it works the way it does

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sphery:

after all, the only important configuration is "mine"

[16:37:37]

wagnerrp:

dserban: we already have that bot for the mailing list, meet sphery

[16:37:54]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

"This wheel is too round. Someone should make it more triangular!"

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dserban:

I think it may be partly due to the project's structure, has there been any discussion on having a "branched" svn which would allow commits? Like. A forked myth tree? kernel.org does it etc... maybe it would encourage others to share their work?

[16:38:23]

wagnerrp:

but he largely goes ignored, as no one respects his authority and/or knowledge on most things mythtv

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dserban:

just an idea

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dserban:

sphery, I hope you get paid, seems like you do this as a full time job

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iamlindoro:

His reward is the smiling faces of our satisfied usHAHAHAHAHAHA ok I can't keep a straight face saying that

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sphery:

heh

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dserban:

lol!

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sphery:

yeah, I should get away from the -users list. It seems that each time I try, I get sucked back in.

[16:42:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, what was that about no longer replying to that multirec thread?

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sphery:

It's just like Muse said... Supermassive Black HOle

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wagnerrp:

mm...

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I didn't realize that those were in that thread until I saw your comment from last night

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** wagnerrp fires up BHaR in winamp **

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sphery:

s/winamp/MythMusic/

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dserban:

a'rite i'm outtie/afk

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wagnerrp:

sphery: RDV suggested i restructure this thing to be multi-threaded, would certainly speed things up as it seems it stalls on downloading the pages

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sphery:

cool... could be nice--but it's up to you

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sphery:

as it is, it's already much better than copy/paste

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Peitolm:

hrm, I upgraded my kernel and now I'm getting "Error: SetChannelByString(101): Failed to initialize multiplex options" google isn't being my friend here,

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johnnyj:

salutations!

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johnnyj:

is tom dexter in here?

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johnnyj:

sphery: can we chat a moment about the dummy tuner?

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sphery:

sure

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johnnyj:

the wiki at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner says to use card type MPEG-2

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johnnyj:

in my setup on .23-fixes it says IVTV in front of that – and the issue appears to be with the probed info

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johnnyj:

since it's not actually an IVTV probable device

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sphery:

In the new terminology, that would be "IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card"

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johnnyj:

ok – so I should still try to use that?

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sphery:

yes

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johnnyj:

and then insert "file://path/to/mpeg file?"

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sphery:

think it's a single /

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johnnyj:

is a file segment from one of my recordings acceptable?

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johnnyj:

created with the dd command ?

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/217058#217058

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johnnyj:

"Create a valid MPEG2 file on the machine. " isn't clear enough for me

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sphery:

if it's an ivtv-like MPEG-2

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sphery:

I just put a small recording in place

[17:47:53]

sphery:

it's actually reading from one of the recordings I have imported into my dev box

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sphery:

btw, feel free to clean up that wiki entry, too, with more detail/corrections

[17:48:23]

sphery:

the post from Captain_Murdoch is probably about the best documentation

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: decide that couple-character fix wasnt actually release note worthy?

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sphery:

compare what's in your capturecard/cardinput tables with what he posts, and see what needs changing

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johnnyj:

sphery: will do – thanks

[17:49:10]

sphery:

and, ideally, figure out how to change it through the GUI or, if you want, feel free to make a patch to just allow someone to create a dummy tuner directly

[17:49:44]

sphery:

i.e. "Dummy Tuner for Development" and all it has is a path for an MPEG-2 file

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johnnyj:

sounds good to me

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sphery:

I've been meaning to do that for ages, but it's low on my todo

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johnnyj:

i'll be glad to take it

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: which r#?

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wagnerrp:

24219

[17:50:54]

wagnerrp:

you added, and the immediately removed

[17:51:05]

wagnerrp:

i was going to remove it myself until i saw you had already done so

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: since .23 hasn't officially released, anything that's getting backported I'm removing from the .24 release notes... sometimes it takes some time for me to catch up in the commits log and undo things :)

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skd5aner:

or, if things are backported days later

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wagnerrp:

oh, right... forgot i backported that

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you probably though it was trivial enough either way to keep off the changelog?

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wagnerrp:

maybe one shared line for 'assorted unicode fixes'

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skd5aner:

cool, gotcha

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wagnerrp:

im sure theres a fair number of ones i should fix

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skd5aner:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i /know/ a lot of the prints when using the interactive interpreter have problems with unicode

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wagnerrp:

im just not motivated to fix them

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wagnerrp:

since ive got no current guide data or recordings, and only a handful of stuff in mythvideo, that even uses unicode

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skd5aner:

hard to fix the bugs that don't really impact you as much as the other ones that do (or the lack of functionality you crave to work on)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: why no recording activity?

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wagnerrp:

none that use unicode

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wagnerrp:

its all 7-bit text

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skd5aner:

oh, I was going to say... thought you meant you weren't recording

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yoyoitscr:

anyone use a Scientific Atlanta 4250 HD cable box?

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skd5aner:

yoyoitscr: I've got the 3250hd

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wagnerrp:

i think ive got one episode of The Big Bang Theory, and maybe one of Eureka, that use unicode characters

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wagnerrp:

and thats it

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yoyoitscr:

skd5aner is it a roger's box?

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wagnerrp:

so at least i know the Video class works fine

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sphery:

johnnyj: btw, in case it wasn't clear, in the case of the dummy tuner selection, you would not need to do any probing--just verify the existence and readability of the file

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johnnyj:

right

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sphery:

so if you add that, it should be a much simpler case than the existing one

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sphery:

s

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johnnyj:

i was going to figure a way to bypass the probing on this new type

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johnnyj:

right on

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yoyoitscr:

i have this canadain roger's cable Scientific Atlanta 4250 HD box any ever use one with firewire or usb-uirt?

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skd5aner:

yoyoitscr: no, twc

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brfransen:

iamlindoro: you are right 24205 did cause the problem. I made a mistake somewhere in testing and though it worked at 24177 but I retested and it doesn't.

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iamlindoro:

s/did/did not/ ?

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iamlindoro:

In that case, it's a known problem that is being worked on

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brfransen:

I think 24115 is where some of my dvds stopped working

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brfransen:

sorry did NOT cause the problem

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iamlindoro:

There are a few known issues with DVDs pertaining to still frames, they are being worked out

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iamlindoro:

and yes, they were introduced semi-recently

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brfransen:

ok. I know it can all be related but what I am seeing isn't getting stuck on still frame but moving menus. And it doesn't happen on every dvd

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iamlindoro:

It is almost certainly all related

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iamlindoro:

and definitely not worth delving in to until the recently introduced issue is solved

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brfransen:

ok thanks

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** johnnyj is attempting to create a valid loop.mpg file using his newly acquired ffmpeg skillz **

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johnnyj:

so I ran "ffmpeg -i /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1111_20100322203100.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy -t 120 loop.mpg"

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johnnyj:

and it spit out some errors whilst processing:

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johnnyj:

[mpeg @ 0x9348580]packet too large, ignoring buffer limits to mux it

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johnnyj:

[mpeg @ 0x9348580]buffer underflow i=0 bufi=248090 size=257447

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johnnyj:

i'm using google but there's so much noise related to ffmpeg on the interweb

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: got an ivtv card?

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wagnerrp:

if so, just 'cat' a bit of the dev node to a file to use

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sphery:

and possibly even ATSC digital recordings should work

[18:36:51]

wagnerrp:

if not, just 'dd' a chunk of a file to use

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wagnerrp:

or just pull the whole thing

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sphery:

though I don't know for sure if it will work with other than 480i (I'm using 480i since it was a small file)

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wagnerrp:

a couple GB should be a pittance on any sizable mythtv install

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sphery:

but, wait, I thought we were all supposed to save a couple MB at a time by not installing things we don't "need" (even though they may be requirements for proper MythTV usage)

[18:39:19]

sphery:

(not a jab at johnnyj, but at an attitude from -users list in general)

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wagnerrp:

i know that ten-millionth of my total disk capacity from deleting mythbackend makes all the difference

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johnnyj:

i'm actually at my day job – so i literally have no tuner here on my lappy

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wagnerrp:

but you have a recording youre trying to clip?

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johnnyj:

so I'm ssh'd home and attempting to create a healthy loop file, since it doesn't seem to like the dd chunk i already had handy

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wagnerrp:

so you just want something smaller than a several GB recording to transfer?

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wagnerrp:

man dd

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wagnerrp:

digital broadcasts use mpeg2 transport streams

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wagnerrp:

the container is set up such that you can hack and chop to your heart's content, and the player wont care

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johnnyj:

good to know

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wagnerrp:

it just seeks until it finds a program table and a keyframe, and plays from there

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dorgan1:

what mythbuntu user has the cron jobs like mythfilldatabase?

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dorgan1:

apparently my mythfilldatabase is not in cron

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stuarta:

evening campers

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johnnyj:

dorgan1: i added it to /etc/cron.daily but I'm not sure you're supposed to use cron for that

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johnnyj:

although you can

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stuarta:

you can use cron for what ever you want

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devinheitmueller:

Hey, I'm having a bit of trouble getting the MythTV UPNP server working. Can anybody offer any pointers on how to set the VideoStartupDir?

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stuarta:

although it's a challenge to get it to make a cup of tea

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johnnyj:

not if you're living in Electric Dreams

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stuarta:

devinheitmueller: you set it up in mythvideo

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devinheitmueller:

I'm getting UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap – no VideoStartupDir set, skipping scan.

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, ok.

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devinheitmueller:

let me try that

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devinheitmueller:

stuarta: you mean in the mythtv-setup config?

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: but you should only set it if you're not using video SG's, I think.

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sphery:

it would be in mythfrontend settings for mythvideo

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devinheitmueller:

oh, ok.

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** devinheitmueller looks **

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sphery:

I don't know if UPnP supports scanning video sg's for UPnP serving

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sphery:

someone else would know

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sphery:

if it does, then that's an irrelevant message

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stuarta:

i think it present the video out via upnp

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sphery:

(probably should get removed or reworded to say, "no local dirs, using video sgs")

[19:09:11]

stuarta:

whether your upnp client speaks the same upnp as mythtv is a different matter

[19:09:15]

devinheitmueller:

I'm a little surprised that configuration parameter is in the frontend config, given it's a backend parameter.

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stuarta:

it's not tho really

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sphery:

no, it's a frontend plugin argument

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sphery:

er, setting

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devinheitmueller:

hmmm, ok.

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sphery:

but the backend is piggy-backing off it because the backend tries to make videos available through upnp

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sphery:

(and there's no upnp serving done by frontends)

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devinheitmueller:

ok, well let me try that.

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devinheitmueller:

Any suggestions what it should be set to?

[19:10:20]

devinheitmueller:

presumably whatever directory contains my recordings, right?

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sphery:

that's why the new code is using video sg's--since they're backend config and available to both easily

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: no, it's a mythvideo thing--for videos that aren't recordings

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sphery:

and that aren't in any storage group directory

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, so perhaps I'm missing something then. How do I make recording available to upnp clients via MythTV?

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sphery:

you're trying to get recordings shown in UPnP?

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devinheitmueller:

Yes.

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devinheitmueller:

Right now I see the server, but as soon as I try to enumerate it the backend throws an error and the upnp server terminates.

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dorgan1:

johnnyj: I just found out there is a setting in the frontend under settings then general its like the last page of general setup

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sphery:

In mythtv-setup, "Video content to show a WMP Client: This forces us to show WMP clients either the Recordings tree or the Video tree when they request a list of videos"

[19:12:58]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: Yeah, I saw that parameter.

[19:13:05]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: though if it is a MS client, there's a good chance it won't allow MPEG-2 via UPnP

[19:13:07]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, so I should set that to recordings?

[19:13:13]

sphery:

(at least XBox 360 won't)

[19:13:14]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: it's not an MS client.

[19:13:15]

sphery:

right

[19:13:19]

sphery:

ok

[19:13:28]

sphery:

if it's set to videos, it's serving mythvideo videos

[19:13:43]

johnnyj:

dorgan1: yep – that's the preferred method, AFAIK

[19:13:48]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, and that would cause the upnp stack to bail out because the video directory isn't set?

[19:13:48]

dorgan1:

yeah

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: right, unless the backend UPnP code supports videos in Video SG's

[19:14:13]

sphery:

I don't know if it does

[19:14:24]

johnnyj:

but stuarta is correct,you can use cron for anything you like – this ain't redmond

[19:14:27]

sphery:

but if it does, then the message is irrelevant

[19:14:28]

devinheitmueller:

Actually, it was already set to recordings.

[19:14:48]

sphery:

then the message should be unimportant

[19:14:52]

sphery:

something else is the problem

[19:14:53]

devinheitmueller:

ok

[19:15:02]

sphery:

like the lack of universality of "U"PnP

[19:15:03]

** devinheitmueller does some more digging.... **

[19:15:17]

sphery:

(as stuarta alluded to :)

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devinheitmueller:

Oh weird. I'm seeing things like the titles populated, but the recordings are not showing up in the list.

[19:17:56]

devinheitmueller:

hmm....

[19:18:20]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, this might actually be something with my client. Will have to break out wireshark....

[19:18:24]

sphery:

I know the UPnP stuff is in need of (yet another rewrite)

[19:18:32]

sphery:

CDev is working on a major one

[19:19:03]

sphery:

though he was holding it for after 0.23 release, someone might be able to convince him to commit it to trunk if he's done with it

[19:19:10]

sphery:

(since we are branched)

[19:19:26]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, it is pretty painful to setup.

[19:22:04]

devinheitmueller:

Crap. Yeah, the wire sniff shows that Mythtv is returning the data. It's a client issue.

[19:22:10]

devinheitmueller:

Thanks guys for helping me along.

[19:23:03]

johnnyj:

did the Wii ever release a upnp player?

[19:23:32]

sphery:

Wii don't need no stinkin' UPnP player!

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brif8:

ok I'v upgraded 0.23 and even though it scans through the number 0 to 88 it does not find any channels ?

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sphery:

need much more info on your setup... capture card type, tv format, tv source ...

[19:31:36]

johnnyj:

...African or European...

[19:32:20]

brif8:

sorry, Ubuntu 9.10 Myth 0.23 HVR-950Q US , Florida Cable

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sphery:

brif8: and you're using the digital side of it?

[19:35:51]

dfletcher:

nice! just built a remote receiver that receives from a sony remote, connects to USB and acts like a USB keyboard. now just need to map the codes :)

[19:35:52]

brif8:

currently the analog, the digital most of the channels are encrypted. tvtime picks up the channels fine, but you can't record, so I'm wanting to get myth setup.

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dfletcher:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <-- my sony remote outputting 'a' for no reason :P

[19:37:31]

stuarta:

maybe it's being friendly?

[19:37:46]

sphery:

what's up, a?

[19:37:51]

dfletcher:

hehe :)

[19:37:54]

stuarta:

or it is it's way of saying "hello earthling"

[19:38:59]

sphery:

brif8: and what version of 0.23-fixes are you using? You likely need to upgrade. (And make sure you also are using the right TV Format--likely US Cable, possibly US Cable HRC or, less likely, US Cable IRC)

[19:39:09]

sphery:

brif8: mythbackend --version (to pastebin, please)

[19:40:42]

brif8:

sphery: http://www.pastebin.org/170795

[19:42:28]

brif8:

sphery: was using us-cable

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sphery:

and you're letting it complete a full scan?

[19:44:11]

sphery:

wait...

[19:44:14]

sphery:

you said analog?

[19:44:16]

sphery:

and FL

[19:44:20]

sphery:

you should /not/ be scanning

[19:44:25]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[19:45:04]

johnnyj:

do you have those on macros?

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wagnerrp:

sphery, devinheitmueller: the UPnP stuff is completely independent of MythVideo

[19:45:35]

sphery:

I really should

[19:45:42]

wagnerrp:

the only thing shared is that one setting for that one host

[19:46:00]

sphery:

right, but does the UPnP support the MythVideo Video SG's?

[19:46:11]

wagnerrp:

but it does not use the videometadata table, nor has it been updated to use storage groups

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wagnerrp:

it just performs its own local scan of content through the file system

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** johnnyj is installing blame **

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wagnerrp:

blame?

[19:47:28]

dustybin:

im compiling .23 on slackware, so far only one dep was required, lame lib!

[19:47:33]

johnnyj:

tortoise blame

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brif8:

sphery: okay I have for analog the Capture Card set as IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card /dev/video0 would this be correct ?

[19:49:21]

johnnyj:

blech no linux version

[19:49:29]

wagnerrp:

no, the 950Q is not an IVTV card

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AndyCap:

johnnyj: svn blame ?

[19:49:43]

wagnerrp:

it is a framegrabber, and as such should not be used for recording analog

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brif8:

what then should I pick V4L Analog Card ?

[19:50:53]

johnnyj:

AndyCap: cool – thanks

[19:50:53]

justinh:

you should pick another tuner card. a good one :)

[19:51:06]

wagnerrp:

ideally, you buy a PVR-150/500, or PVR-USB2, or HVR-1950

[19:51:17]

wagnerrp:

and use the 950Q for digital only

[19:51:42]

johnnyj:

who is ijr in the repo?

[19:51:52]

wagnerrp:

isaax

[19:51:53]

wagnerrp:

c

[19:52:00]

wagnerrp:

big man

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brif8:

What about a HVR-1800 ? I had that to start with and could only get tvtime picture no audio, at least with the HVR950Q I managed to get tvtime picture & audio

[19:52:21]

devinheitmueller:

The 950q will work for analog, although it puts more load on the host CPU since the 950q doens't have an onboard encoder.

[19:52:28]

wagnerrp:

the 1800 currently has a driver bug that prevents mythtv from using it in mythtv

[19:52:32]

wagnerrp:

it works fine in linux though

[19:52:33]

devinheitmueller:

the 1800's analog implementation needs work before it will work in MythTV.

[19:52:44]

dfletcher:

crappy cell cam pic of this neat little receiver :) http://i41.tinypic.com/rk7rkx.jpg

[19:53:07]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: transmitter?

[19:53:22]

johnnyj:

everyone thinks there baby is cutest

[19:53:40]

brif8:

okay so using what I have the HVR-950Q what Capture Card setting for analog. BTW: devin brif8 = barry on your 950Q testers blog

[19:53:43]

devinheitmueller:

The 950q should work for both analog and digital under MythTV, as long as you installed the latest v4l-dvb code (since there was a power managment bug which was fixed recently)

[19:53:49]

dfletcher:

wagnerrp, nope, receiver. the LED just shows activity

[19:54:02]

dfletcher:

it's a USB keyboard :P

[19:54:10]

devinheitmueller:

You would select "v4l2 analog device" under Mythtv setup.

[19:54:13]

wagnerrp:

brif8: correct, you would use the 'v4l analog card'

[19:54:41]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are good for live playback, stuff like tvtime

[19:54:52]

wagnerrp:

but they are far less than ideal for recording

[19:54:54]

devinheitmueller:

Also, you need to make sure that if you are setting up both analog and digital that you put both the DVB and the analog video sources into the same input group, or else they will conflict.

[19:55:03]

devinheitmueller:

Also, make sure you have "EIT scanning" disabled under the digital profiel.

[19:55:10]

devinheitmueller:

s/profiel/profile/

[19:55:18]

wagnerrp:

youll have to jump through some hoops to get audio working and synced

[19:55:25]

devinheitmueller:

And did you set the xc5000 no_poweroff option to off?

[19:55:26]

wagnerrp:

which is why most mythtv users have abandoned their use

[19:55:45]

devinheitmueller:

pardon, I mean did you set "no_poweroff=1" ?

[19:56:44]

brif8:

Yes I have the no_poweroff=1 and debug =1 in the xc5000.conf and local.conf. Current I also setup two video sources even though they are the same.

[19:57:12]

devinheitmueller:

Ok. So what exactly is the issue then? Analog is not working?

[19:57:30]

devinheitmueller:

Or is it the digital support that is the issue?

[19:58:18]

brif8:

Correct, I could not get analog to scan (and was just now told to upgrade to 0.23) now trying to scan just told not to scan and use fetch from listing

[19:58:45]

devinheitmueller:

Woah wait. You are trying to analog scan? Yeah, analog scan is completely broken (regardless of which card you have).

[19:59:03]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: analog scanning is operational in 0.23 now

[19:59:12]

wagnerrp:

brif8: correct, in the US there should be no reason to scan analog

[19:59:15]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yeah, that is what I heard.

[19:59:22]

wagnerrp:

you can just grab a lineup from your schedules direct account

[19:59:33]

devinheitmueller:

Well, I can think of a number of good reasons to have analog scanning, even in the US. But I digress.

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to have such would be if the SD lineup was incorrect

[20:00:37]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: or you didn't want to manually have to configure which ala carte channels you receive.

[20:01:48]

wagnerrp:

at least on my lineup, there are several different blocks which you can enable/disable independently

[20:02:08]

wagnerrp:

meh... just seems faster to me to check them off on the webpage than wait for the scanner to pick them up

[20:02:46]

brif8:

okay busy scanning for digital right now, and then I'll run mythfilldatabase and get into the frontend to see what is what now.

[20:03:01]

wagnerrp:

dont run MFD just yet

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Sure, if you have a simple config that's probably true (and it's becoming less and less of an issue as more cable systems move to digital)

[20:03:13]

wagnerrp:

once you scan digital, start up the backend and frontend

[20:03:17]

wagnerrp:

and try to tune those channels

[20:03:27]

wagnerrp:

so you can figure out what they are and set their XMLTV IDs

[20:03:37]

wagnerrp:

so that MFD will actually do something when it runs

[20:04:03]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: yeah, 4mo until im forced to make the jump

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brif8:

okay I won't run MFD still scanning digital right now at 17% and then perhaps you can help me with the tune part

[20:04:36]

wagnerrp:

tune?

[20:05:07]

wagnerrp:

oh, i just mean start up a livetv session, and go to that channel

[20:05:14]

brif8:

you said "and try to tune those channels"

[20:05:24]

brif8:

oh okay

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brif8:

Side Track: do you know anything about CableCards? can I use a cablecard with either the HVR-1800 or 950Q ?? this way I can then decode the digital and be done away with analog all together ?

[20:08:17]

wagnerrp:

tuners that support cablecard have a special slot to accept that cablecard

[20:08:45]

wagnerrp:

cablecard cannot currently be used by any open source media player, nor will they ever be able to be used by any open source media player

[20:09:01]

wagnerrp:

as doing do would instantly defeat ANY drm scheme

[20:09:02]

brif8:

so I can't use a pcmcia card reader and one of my current tuners ?

[20:09:34]

wagnerrp:

DRM schemes rely on being able to give the user the keys, and not let them use them

[20:09:50]

wagnerrp:

which will only work if you provide a protected path all the way from capture to output

[20:10:06]

wagnerrp:

something which simply cannot exist in open source, where you can just remove that and recompile

[20:10:07]

GrahamIRC:

hello DMCP!

[20:10:10]

justinh:

plugging a cablecard into a PCMCIA slot would likely blow it up anyway :)

[20:10:27]

RyeBrye:

I think that's the signal taht the MPAA uses to dispatch helicopters to your house

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brif8:

okay

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justinh:

naw. the helicopters are called by us emitting thought waves

[20:11:04]

wagnerrp:

if you dont like it, bitch to your local congressman and be ignored

[20:11:11]

justinh:

you can only block those with metal hats

[20:11:39]

justinh:

or you can just vote with your wallet & abstain from pay-tv

[20:11:58]

wagnerrp:

not that it will do a whole lot of good

[20:12:19]

wagnerrp:

too many sheeple dont know enough to do the same thing

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justinh:

no, but you'll be safe in the knowledge you have principles you believe in

[20:12:36]

wagnerrp:

yeah, them things

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GrahamIRC:

and nothing to watch

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justinh:

so? like there's much worth watching on paytv anyway

[20:12:55]

wagnerrp:

GrahamIRC: i get most of my TV from broadcast anyway

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justinh:

if you don't do sports...

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GrahamIRC:

If I looked at my myth logs I'd probably find the same

[20:13:29]

GrahamIRC:

can't wait to get my freesat working

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bjd:

then's there's the pub for the sport :p

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AndyCap:

justinh: heh, reminds me of my thought when I read about a thought controlled tv remote. They'll just make one that switches until brainwave activity ceases.

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GrahamIRC:

I dont watch sport either

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GrahamIRC:

lol @ AndyCap

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dustybin:

i am totally confused, i have installed slackware 13, compiled mythtv with the only required dep (lame), and it works!!

[20:14:50]

dustybin:

i was expecting _serious_ pain

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bjd:

well done!

[20:15:26]

dustybin:

i mean, this is easier than any other distro ive used

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wagnerrp:

i highly doubt slackware comes with QT as a base package

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dustybin:

i selected a nice range of base packages on slackware, A / AP / N / L / X / XAP

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: i honestly did not install anything else

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wagnerrp:

you must have picked up some big graphical package that pulled in most of myth's dependencies

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: X / XAP

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wagnerrp:

Xorg wouldnt do it

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dustybin:

actually, i only chose fluxbox in XAP

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wagnerrp:

whats XAP?

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dustybin:

hold on ill show you

[20:17:20]

wagnerrp:

no, thats ok

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wagnerrp:

im not that concerned about it

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dustybin:

http://www.slackbook.org/html/installation-requirements.html

[20:19:30]

GreyFoxx:

The slackware install disk comes with QT, though like anything it's an optional install

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GreyFoxx:

but if you do a "full install" everything you need will be there

[20:20:40]

GreyFoxx:

I rebuilt my master backend the other day on Slackware 13 and I don't even remember needing to install lame

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** GreyFoxx thinks it's time to go home and forget about work for afew days **

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brif8:

okay digital scan just finished now opening frontend

[20:25:29]

brif8:

going to Watch TV on frontend it has Error: MythTV us using all inputs but there are not active recordings?

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wagnerrp:

did you start the backend?

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dustybin:

my frontend did not ask for a database password or anything

[20:28:01]

dustybin:

i just typed in my backend ip and that was it :_S

[20:28:11]

wagnerrp:

or restart it after adding those tuners and channels?

[20:28:32]

johnnyj:

sphery: the dummy tuner, should it be added to MPEGConifugrationGroup or be it's own option?

[20:28:58]

johnnyj:

technically, it's an MPEG...

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brif8:

yes backend is running

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wagnerrp:

restart it

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brif8:

okay had to just wait I guess I click Watch TV is goes black says please wait and then back to the Watch TV menu

[20:30:14]

wagnerrp:

check your backend logs as to why the recording failed

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sphery:

johnnyj: no, make a whole new class to hold it... MPEGConfGroup does all the probing you don't want

[20:31:37]

johnnyj:

sphery: i was gonna add an if checking for 'file:/' in the device and return true on the probes if I used that class

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brif8:

http://www.pastebin.org/171002

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sphery:

anything from "DummyConfigurationGroup" to "TestingConfigurationGroup" or ...

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johnnyj:

new class it is

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sphery:

keeping it separate would be cleaner--after all, it /is/ a different type

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johnnyj:

ok – there's some logic in there about a variable FAKE_VIDEO

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johnnyj:

ijr shows up on blame

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wagnerrp:

brif8: you need to set a proper initial channel for your cards

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup

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johnnyj:

oh nm -that's V$L

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johnnyj:

V4L

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brif8:

On the analog side I have channel 9 the digital side is remnants from the 0.22

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: did you use a slackbuild for mythtv

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brif8:

okay still can't watch analog click 'Watch TV' and it just jumps back to the menu after a brief "Please Wait"

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johnnyj:

logs?

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johnnyj:

don't paste – go look at them

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brif8:

frontend had EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to bet pginfo and TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started

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johnnyj:

and the backend ?

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brif8:

GetChannelData() failed because it could not find channel number '12' in DB for source '1'. but this is on the digital side

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brif8:

perhaps I should just delete the digital until I can get the analog working ?

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johnnyj:

sphery: do you get a dime on every upgrade to .23-fixes?

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johnnyj:

i guuess this one should goto arclight though

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

no, but I don't have to hear about long-since-fixed bugs from those users who upgrade

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sphery:

this one being a preemptive strike, though (since he didn't have bugs)

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johnnyj:

seemingly

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nutron:

ah yuh

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nutron:

mc hawking is my hero

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yoyoitscr:

i have this canadain roger's cable Scientific Atlanta 4250 HD box any ever use one with firewire or usb-uirt?

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brif8:

okay I deleted the digital channel stuff and still can't watch http://www.pastebin.org/171249

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brif8:

neither does tvtime show anything since the 10.04 upgrade

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johnnyj:

brif8: i think we need a few more lines later in the backend logs

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brif8:

http://www.pastebin.org/171256 your wish is my command

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the-FoX:

hi

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the-FoX:

i need some help with vdpau, my frontend stops playing dvb live tv: http://jqd.org/pastebin?id=2006

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johnnyj:

brif: i'm not well versed in your tuner type – but the log at http://www.pastebin.org/171256 does appear to have the valid errors in it

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wagnerrp:

the-FoX: sounds like its choking on a damaged recording

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the-FoX:

you mean recording doesn't work? if i don't use vdpau it works better

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yoyoitscr:

anyone in here from canada with rogers cable?

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Peitolm:

sphery, I know you've seen this in the past, do you know what the fix is? 'QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work.'

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brif8:

johnnyj: that is what is in the log file.

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brif8:

any suggestions at all ?

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nutron:

yoyoitscr: I'm from Canada. No not Rogers for me, I have Shaw :(... Sounds like a disease doesn't it?

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johnnyj:

brif8: I don't know that tuner card – this seems to be error: Channel(/dev/video0) Error: InitPictureAttribute( colour): failed to query controls.

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yoyoitscr:

nutron i have a shaw box

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yoyoitscr:

motorola 2500

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nutron:

Yeah, I have six and I need one more .. heh.

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nutron:

Why do you have shaw? Aren't you on Rogers?

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yoyoitscr:

i on nieghter

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brif8:

going to try to uninstall the v4l-dvb I loaded from kernellabs and see if that helps ?

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Flakeparadigm:

I have mythtv installed in ubuntu 10.04, and it will not play a dvd or cd. I havnt been able to foind any help except change the devices to /dev/sr0 which causes the frontend to crash.

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iamlindoro:

you should change it to whatever your device node for the dvd is, not just random one you find on the internet

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iamlindoro:

ls /dev/dvd*

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iamlindoro:

find whichever one is appropriate, use that

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JohnQ:

Dangit. Command IR's are all sold out. Bummer.

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Flakeparadigm:

The /dev/dvd wasn't working, but the sr0 reacted to the insertion of a disk.

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iamlindoro:

did you use /dev/dvd, or did you run the command I just said?

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Flakeparadigm:

I used /dev/dvd as a defualt. Ls /dev/dvd came back as no such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

I didn't say to run ls /dev/dvd

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iamlindoro:

look again :)

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iamlindoro:

and it's case sensitive

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iamlindoro:

ls

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Flakeparadigm:

I ran ls (auto capitalization on my droid when I typed it in irc)

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iamlindoro:

ls /dev/dvd*

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iamlindoro:

not

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iamlindoro:

ls /dev/dvd

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Flakeparadigm:

I see. Thanks

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Flakeparadigm:

Sorry about that. Haha

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iamlindoro:

Use one of those

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iamlindoro:

then if it still crashes, we need to see logs

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iamlindoro:

frontend logs

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iamlindoro:

(in a pastebin, please)

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Flakeparadigm:

Okay, I think this will work.

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Flakeparadigm:

iamlindoro: it appears I was too optimistic

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klk:

I just got an HD-PVR. when i plug it in, i look in /var/log/messages and it says "attached to /dev/video8"

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klk:

but if I do an ls, /dev/video8 doesn't exist

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Flakeparadigm:

iamlindoro: it crashes with "mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write protected, mounting read-only" (I replaced /dev/sr0 though?), "QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside of GUI thread" x2, then Segmentation Fault

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Flakeparadigm:

Being the last four lines of terminal feedback

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sphery:

Flakeparadigm: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8194

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sphery:

Flakeparadigm: the best solution, though, is don't have a DVD in the drive when starting mythfrontend

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sphery:

put DVD's in when you want to use them

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Flakeparadigm:

That's what I'm doing

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Flakeparadigm:

Let me look at the link

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sphery:

Flakeparadigm: that applies to DVD's, BD's, USB removable media, including flash drives, etc...

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Flakeparadigm:

Alright. I'm going try the patch in a moment

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sphery:

and if it's not removable media (i.e. you're using a USB drive for a root file system), tell Myth that it's not removable and shouldn't be scanned

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sphery:

that's mandatory--patch or none--or myth will scan the whole drive each time it starts

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Flakeparadigm:

Just using my sata drive. Looks like the patch will be in ubuntu soon – "in progress" being the status of the bug on launchpad.

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Flakeparadigm:

With high importance

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sphery:

in theory, it shouldn't be there until it's in MythTV

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Flakeparadigm:

sphery: I probably have missed it, but what file does the patch go into?

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sphery:

mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythmedia.cpp

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Flakeparadigm:

Alright

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dfletcher:

yay, stuff is recording! heh now if I can just figure out why mythweb takes like a minute to reply I'll be golden

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jst_:

Starting with *buntu 10.04 Lucid, would it make sense to use the Mythbuntu repos package?

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bjd:

isn't lucid still alpha?

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jst_:

It seemed to fix some issues with Karmic's myth packages, but looks like Lucid's will be pretty up-to-date.

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jst_:

RC

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bjd:

i'm using karmic with mythbuntu's repo

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jst_:

Yeah, same here.

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jst_:

I guess my question is how often are -fixes packages made?

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bjd:

don't really see the reason to jump to lucid just yet

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jst_:

Well, FWIW, it is LTS.

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jst_:

But I use Xubuntu, so there's not a whole lot of differences from what I can tell.

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bjd:

i mean, sure i'll upgrade to lucid when the time is right, I just don't fancy breaking shit and being without any TV :p

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jst_:

I hear that.

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jst_:

You gotta figure if you update any machine, you have to update them all.

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jst_:

0.22 vs 0.23.

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bjd:

yeah

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jst_:

I have to say I am so impressed with 0.22.

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jst_:

I've played with WMC, MediaPortal, BeyondTV, etc.

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bjd:

i'm still on .22

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jst_:

Myth is the best by far.

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jst_:

I wish it had CableCard support, but I realize that is beyond the control of the Myth developers.

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jst_:

Still, the custom recording rules... my god.

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