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Wednesday, April 21st, 2010, 00:05 UTC

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you think anyone would object to http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1870672 ?

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wagnerrp:

i asked in the dev channel a week or two back, and never got any response

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I wouldn't imagine so, I like that change

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iamlindoro:

I bet sphery agrees

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wagnerrp:

im just fed up with trying to search for 'python' and getting flooded with nothing but --version outputs

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: +1

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sphery:

wagnerrp: definitely!!!! then we can joke about people pasting that into the description

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iamlindoro:

there you go, all agree :)

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wagnerrp:

sounds good

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sphery:

"as a file", perhaps?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you may motivate me to go back and see about putting DB Schema Version into --version output (since we now have it split out of mythcontext, it may be possible)

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nwidger:

is there a way to make mythmusic have the 'repeat' option set to 'none' by default? it's really, really annoying to have the album im playing repeat itself by default.

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innatech:

Hey everyone! No heart attacks today--just curious about front end synch. I take it MFD is officially dead? Is there anything else on the horizon? Can I kludge something up outside of myth itself, maybe? I could live with one "live" frontend and then a bunch of synched slaves trailing behind it by a few seconds.

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wagnerrp:

what do you think 'MFD' is?

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innatech:

"Myth Frontend Daemon" according to the listserv archives. Now pulled from the repos.

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wagnerrp:

mfd = mythfilldatabase, the program that gathers all your listing data and pushes it into the guide tables

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innatech:

see //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg23981.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg23981.html

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innatech:

I guess the acronym is deprecated too.

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wagnerrp:

no... mythfilldatabase came first

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iamlindoro:

innatech, Nobody in that thread is a myth dev

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iamlindoro:

And no such program was ever a part of our repos

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innatech:

ah. I'll make a note of it. But to the point--nothing like this ever happened, right?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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innatech:

OK. Good enough. I'll what I can slap together outside of myth for recorded content, then.

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iamlindoro:

every year or two someone turns up and says how "easy" it will be, then disappears to "implement" it, only to presumably find that nothing is as easy as people delude themselves into thinking

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iamlindoro:

key phrases include "all we need" and "all we have to do"

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wagnerrp:

innatech: video is easy, your eyes arent cant really focus on both screens at the same time to notice a problem

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innatech:

gah--I think it'd be anything but easy to do correctly. Without wiser heads, I'm just thinking about doing it with VLC.

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wagnerrp:

the problem is audio

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wagnerrp:

and audio needs to be timed down to a couple milliseconds or else youre going to notice the offset

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innatech:

wagnerrp: quite. The whole saga with eyetv and airfoil makes it clear that it's non trivial too.

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wagnerrp:

that level of synchronization is surprisingly difficult to pull off over standard ethernet

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wagnerrp:

thats why professional hardware that is designed to do something like this use an external timing pulse

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nwidger:

does anyone know where the "RepeatMode" column in the "settings" table went?

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innatech:

way over my head to try and solve it directly--I'm probably looking at best-effort VLC multicast. I think it has some kind of synch, but I haven't looked at it in years. Last time I tried was for whole house audio--I broke down and bought an FM xmitter kit instead.

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wagnerrp:

multicast offers no level of synchronization

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wagnerrp:

everything is supposed to be receiving stuff at the same time

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sphery:

nwidger: it saves the setting when you change the repeat mode

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wagnerrp:

but there is no guarantee how quickly the network hardware will actually pass the data on

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innatech:

I thought I read about something in or layered onto VLC that tried to synch--maybe using NTP? But like I said it made my head swim.

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nwidger:

sphery: no it doesnt.

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sphery:

yes it does

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wagnerrp:

nor is there any control over how large of a playback buffer will be used on the separate devices

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythmusic#Useful_keys_to_know

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nwidger:

sphery: no it doesnt. i have to change it to 'none' every time i start up my computer

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** sphery guesses someone has been editing DB settings directly and broke it **

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nwidger:

sphery: i have done no such thing

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innatech:

yes...plenty of other problems to run into along the way as well, I'm sure. I'll probably poke at it for a while and then give up. But I thought I'd ask.

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sphery:

nwidger: then you're not exiting mythmusic?

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nwidger:

sphery: i have even found the table entry where it saves the setting, the wiki says it's "RepeatMode" in the "settings" table, but there's no such entry.

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wagnerrp:

innatech: something like that would be a capacity built into the player itself, dependent on NTP keeping the time precisely... but nothing directly to do with multicast

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nwidger:

sphery: what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

innatech: basically, mythtv frontends always have been, and always will be completely independent

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wagnerrp:

innatech: the closest i see to something like that capacity ever being introduced into mythtv would be the concept of a 'session'

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innatech:

wagnerrp: that's my loose understanding. I don't know if it was someones experimental extension of VLC, or another component, or what. Definitely not myth aware.

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wagnerrp:

where you would store a state on one frontend, and then resume that state on another frontend

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nwidger:

sphery: ill go into mythmusic and change it to 'none', then at some point ill reboot my computer and go back into mythmusic and it's been set back to 'all'.

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sphery:

all I mean is that in the destructor of the plugin, it says: if (m_repeatMode == REPEAT_TRACK) gContext->SaveSetting("RepeatMode", "track"); else if (m_repeatMode == REPEAT_ALL) gContext->SaveSetting("RepeatMode", "all"); else gContext->SaveSetting("RepeatMode", "none");

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sphery:

nwidger: that's more likely a problem of your changing hostnames

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sphery:

or ip addresses or something

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sphery:

dhcp perhaps?

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nwidger:

sphery: no i have a static ip assigned by my router...

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nwidger:

sphery: i mean i can just add the entry myself

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nwidger:

sphery: but it should be stored in RepeatMode you're saying?

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nwidger:

sphery: because right now there's no entry for RepeatMode for any hostname

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nwidger:

sphery: however 'select hostname from settings' gets a whole range of values: just hostname, a FQDN and NULL

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innatech:

wagnerrp: Sessions make a good deal of sense. I'd even be OK with something really inelegant and heavy handed--like designating one frontend primary and forcing designated slaves to re-seek to <foo> seconds behind the primary every <bar> seconds. And just redesignate the primary as I move between rooms. The slaves will seem glitchy from the constant seeking, but as they're not actively watched that's acceptable. But probably that's

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innatech:

too ugly and half-assed to be contemplated by devs, as much as it would allieviate the walking-around-the-apartment problem.

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wagnerrp:

innatech: linuxmce already has some implementation of this, handled by bluetooth receivers on each box tracking your cellphone

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innatech:

interesting. That might be worth a look.

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wagnerrp:

but linuxmce is a very hacked up fork of an old version of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its likely none of the code is directly portable

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innatech:

Ah. Maybe not, then. For the record, I'd contribute to a bounty to add something like this to MythTV--but I'm guessing it the devs were interested they'd have pursued it by now.

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

all the devs are too busy with their own little projects to consider picking that up for a bounty

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wagnerrp:

nothing to say someone else wouldnt

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innatech:

So it goes. Myth does most of what I want, and I'm grateful for its existence. I'd love to see it, but I can live without it.

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nwidger:

does mythfrontend just use whatever's in /etc/hostname to pull settings out of the database?

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iamlindoro:

At least one of the devs *has* discussed getting multiroom sync going, but it's very likely that the bounty would have to be quite large

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wagnerrp:

nwidger: not quite, but that is the effect

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iamlindoro:

ie, more than most individuals would be willing to pay

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nwidger:

wagnerrp: well it probably uses a system call id imagine, right?

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iamlindoro:

As an example, multirec was implemented for 10,000 Euros... multiroom playback/sync would probably be an equivalent sort of project

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wagnerrp:

nwidger: i dont know off hand, but likely something from the socket libraries

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wagnerrp:

i imagine the telnet control was no small fee

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nwidger:

wagnerrp: so if my settings table is messed up from a hostname change, if i change all the settings.hostname columns to be whatever's in /etc/hostname that should fix it, right?

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innatech:

iamlindoro: that sounds reasonable, given the likely complexity of implementing the feature in a form worth the effort. Like I said--I'd be happy to contribute but I'm under no illusions that I could fund it directly.

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wagnerrp:

nwidger: no, there are several other tables with their own host/hostname fields

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nwidger:

wagnerrp: so am i screwed?

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wagnerrp:

nwidger: the official database backup/restore script offers a mechanism to change all that stuff for you

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nwidger:

wagnerrp: that sounds handy... i should probably use that

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wagnerrp:

but if you have settings saved for both hostnames, trying to do so is only going to cause trouble

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nwidger:

ya that whole uniqueness property of relational db's

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wagnerrp:

nwidger: thats the thing, i doubt any of that stuff is actually set up with unique indexes

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wagnerrp:

meaning youre going to end up with a mess of duplicates

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wagnerrp:

at which point its anyone's guess how mythtv will actually behave

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nwidger:

wagnerrp: yeah, well i could just go through and delete all the settings for the other hostnames before running the script

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nwidger:

wagnerrp: which should be harmless since they arent being used anyways

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wagnerrp:

again, there are a lot of tables that use a hostname field

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nwidger:

that's right

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nwidger:

son of a bitch.

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innatech:

FYI for anyone curious: the network synch controls in VLC — http://www.hackedexistence.com/images/project . . . rversync.png --- from the tutorial here: http://www.hackedexistence.com/project-vlc.html . So it seems like that might be a usable kludge for recorded content.

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fixxxermet:

Having trouble with my minimyth frontend. It boots, but I'm told that it can't connect ot my backend. Log says the backend server is 127.0.0.1 and that perhaps mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP.

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fixxxermet:

Where is my frontend getting 12.0.0.1 for the backend master from?

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wagnerrp:

127.0.0.1?

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fixxxermet:

Yeah. My master isn't localhsot :0

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wagnerrp:

thats the default

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wagnerrp:

you have not set the address otherwise

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fixxxermet:

Where do I set it?

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fixxxermet:

I don't seen aoption for it in minimyth.conf

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wagnerrp:

on the master backend, you need to set both the master and local IP addresses in mythtv-setup

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fixxxermet:

ah.

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fixxxermet:

So I missed something.

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fixxxermet:

does mythtv-setup have to be run as mythtv user?

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wagnerrp:

it is preferred

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fixxxermet:

ok.

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fixxxermet:

Seems like my freebsd jail got forked

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fixxxermet:

mythtv's home changed

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fixxxermet:

OK wagnerrp, I'm in front of mythtv-setup, do you know where those options are located?

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fixxxermet:

general, nevermind.

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noisymouse:

mythfrontend segfaults after I changed my graphics driver

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sphery:

did you compile mythtv yourself or packages?

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sphery:

noisymouse: ^^^

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iamlindoro:

He runs Exherbo. He took flash cards with ones and zeroes on them, assembled them into bytes, then put the bytes together until he had a bootable drive. After that, he downloaded Myth at 2400 baud, but without a modem. He just listened to the phone line for high and low sounds, transcribing to flashcard as he went.

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iamlindoro:

He is... the most interesting Myth user in the world.

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iamlindoro:

I don't always DVR... but when I do, it's a MythTV.

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

dum dee dum, must kill time til lost

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iamlindoro:

There's only one thing for it. Bacon.

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wagnerrp:

lost bacon? thats a shame

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iamlindoro:

Lost + Bacon = great success!

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wagnerrp:

a triumph?

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iamlindoro:

I'm making a note here

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Wicked:

huge success!

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wagnerrp:

!trout Wicket meme

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** MythLogBot slaps Wicket with a meme trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Wicked:

whooph. good thing im not Wicket

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Wicked:

:)

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wagnerrp:

what? i tab-completed that

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wagnerrp:

how did that end up wrong

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, salty, smoky, peppery fresh bacon from the actual butcher shop and not a nasty dirty tricksy package, my preciousssssss

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wagnerrp:

there only a couple real butchers i know of in my whole city

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it's crazy hard to find one any more

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iamlindoro:

I work right near an amazing one... pay a premium, but so worth it

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iamlindoro:

They also do all sorts of exotic meats so it's fun to come up with gourmet ideas

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[R]:

exotic meat?

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wagnerrp:

stuff not available locally

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iamlindoro:

bison, ostrich, elk, reindeer, that sort of stuff

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wagnerrp:

you can actually get bison?

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[R]:

sounds scary

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

are they no longer endangered?

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iamlindoro:

it's sort of like cow, but maybe a bit less tender, and richer tasting

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iamlindoro:

Not any more

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iamlindoro:

Most of the time I just get really good ground beef for fancy hamburgers, and the pepper bacon... Kinda nice to see them grind your beef then and there from actual cuts

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iamlindoro:

as opposed to who-knows-what

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[R]:

i thought the whole point of ground beef wass it was all differnet cuts

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wagnerrp:

no, thats just what makes it cheap

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iamlindoro:

I think the whole point of GB is hamburgers, stuffed with blue cheeze and cream cheese, brushed with chipotle sauce, and grilled right :)

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iamlindoro:

cheese, that is

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[R]:

ewww

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iamlindoro:

and occasionally, marinated in guinness first

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[R]:

then again, i dont like blue cheese to begin with, and cream cheese only belongs on bagels... and i dont' eat meat and cheese together to begin with

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the cream cheese helps keep the ground beef together

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kc:

I have a bison farm less than 5 miles from my house. It's nice to go there and get whatever you want fresh

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iamlindoro:

kc, neat, I actually learned they were no longer threatened when I found bison burgers at Trader Joes :)

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kc:

I find it ironic that they call them buffalo here in the states...

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wagnerrp:

awesome... desktop just crashed

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wagnerrp:

i think thats a first on this install

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[R]:

so i'm still having issues with the backend not recognizing no frontends are connected to it and it's idle... its really annoying me

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markl_:

ok i am having a problem where the system shows 2 tuners but it is only using 1 of them. i could have sworn that i fixed this not too long ago

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** Beirdo is going to try to do some myth dev on virtualbox **

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markl_:

front end or back end?

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Beirdo:

likely start with some mythweather or some nuvexport

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Beirdo:

not sure which yet

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kc:

markl_: You have two tuners, they both show up in linux, but only one is showing up in myth?

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markl_:

kc: it is an hd homerun, both tuners are set up and show up in the mythweb status

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markl_:

but one is always idle, even if it skips shows

[03:06:42]

markl_:

and in the logs it doesn't seem to even try to use it

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markl_:

weird

[03:07:47]

markl_:

is it helpful to go and scan for channels, or should i just go with what schedules direct gave me?

[03:09:32]

markl_:

weird, i guess it just hated Frontline

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Beirdo:

can't blame it

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wagnerrp:

markl_: do you actually have both tuners defined?

[03:13:30]

wagnerrp:

or do you have one tuner defined with two virtual recorders?

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kc:

ugh, so Comcast finally encrypted my non local broadcasts...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought you quit that thread

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iamlindoro:

He just can't quit it

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sphery:

heh, I know better, but my brain doesn't listen

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wagnerrp:

gah...

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wagnerrp:

trying to trace down some issue in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

turns out it was caused by the files not being properly replaced when flipping between branches

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** Beirdo waits for ./configure to complete **

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markl_:

kc: lame

[04:10:45]

markl_:

mythtv needs a way to use cable cards

[04:10:53]

markl_:

and hulu

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

no it doesn't

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Beirdo:

hulu... use their software, obey their ToS :)

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kc:

markl_: No, lame was the tech support I called to complain to. They know less about their service than a homeless man

[04:12:48]

kc:

I wanted to confirm they were encrypting. They responded with "yes, we are moving off analog"...

[04:13:04]

kc:

We've been off analog for months now

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Beirdo:

kc: you expected them to have an answer?

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Beirdo:

hahaha

[04:14:03]

kc:

I expected tech support to know what QAM is

[04:14:15]

kc:

But then again, I am sure teir 1 knows only scripts

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Beirdo:

they know what a monthly bill is

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Beirdo:

and that's about it

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kc:

s/teir/tier

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kc:

Yep

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kc:

I just wanted to let them know the reason why I am canceling.

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kc:

I am sure I am canceling "due to not understanding the analog transition"

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Beirdo:

just tell them you are cancelling because they are scum suckers, and you want to use Dish instead

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Beirdo:

done

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kc:

I bought an antenna

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Beirdo:

you don't have to tell Comcast that

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kc:

The only way to show I do not approve is to not support anyone who tells me what I can do with content after it's at my door

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kc:

I want them to know I disapprove of the whole business model, not just them

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Beirdo:

better move to China then

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kc:

I visited there a little over a year ago

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kc:

Not a bad place :)

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kc:

I prefer Hong Kong though

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wagnerrp:

markl_: mythtv will never be able to support cablecard

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Beirdo:

Hong Kong is China, silly

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Beirdo:

for 13 years now

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kc:

It is and it is not

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you know what? there is no easter bunny! over there, thats just a guy in a suit!

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: mmmm, hassenpfeffer.

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kc:

A Hong Kong resident can not enter china without credentials just like us... trust me... the guy who showed me around there lost his :p

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8xU67EjsZ4#t=0m23

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

what is this 'Trunk Head' that recently got added to the trac versions?

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Beirdo:

quite likely meaning that the bug is against head rather than a release?

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wagnerrp:

but there already is a 'head'

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iamlindoro:

Gbee felt it was more descriptive than head

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iamlindoro:

as one might misinterpret the head of any given branch to be head

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Beirdo:

not if they are an SVN user, they can't :)

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iamlindoro:

At least, that's what he said

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Beirdo:

but whatever works :)

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wagnerrp:

meh...

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wagnerrp:

that darn Tea Leoni, breaking mah bindings

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** wagnerrp needs to figure out how to type ord()>127 characters in unix **

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wagnerrp:

the alt+numpad doesnt seem to work

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Beirdo:

I think you can get deadkeys to work somehow

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wagnerrp:

whats the close keyword for trac? 'Closes #number'?

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wagnerrp:

Fixes?

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iamlindoro:

fixes or clsoes should work

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iamlindoro:

er closes

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iamlindoro:

I use Fix or Fixes, both work

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k-man:

is there osx packages of .23 yet?

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wagnerrp:

we dont provide packages

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wagnerrp:

just source

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k-man:

no, but there are third parties who provide packages

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k-man:

i just wondered if anyone knew

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k-man:

last time i searched i was unable to find any

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X#Pre-built_Downloads

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k-man:

wagnerrp: ah, should have looked there before, sorry

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k-man:

wagnerrp: and thanks for the link :)

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klk:

i'm playing back a 4:3 recording on a 16:9 tv. How can I stretch it horizontally only so it fills the screen?

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wagnerrp:

'w'

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klk:

'w' doesn't do what it used to in an older version I upgraded from

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[R]:

omg wtf... do you like watching the klumps?

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klk:

i like making everyone fat

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[R]:

lol

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klk:

so if i press 'w' to cycle through the options, one of them is "H. stretch", which I assume is horizontal stretch

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klk:

but that stretches the picture vertically also

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klk:

when I was running .20.2 it did in fact only stretch it horizontally

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klk:

so i just checked and if I do "H. stretch" on a 16:9 recording it does only stretch it horizontally

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klk:

is it expected behavior to stretch a 4:3 recording in both directions when "H. stretch" is chosen, or is there something wrong with my setup?

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wagnerrp:

could go either way... cant say ive ever had the desire to use that mode

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klk:

obviously its not my first choice, but i find if i watch a long recording without stretching, i get some ghosting on my tv (a plasma)

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klk:

and it would really suck if i permanently burned something like that in

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Stuzz:

Hi folks. I'm playing with streaming content to my Wii, and viewing it with the Wii browser. I haven't tried Myth yet, so I'm wondering if it has the capabilities?

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wagnerrp:

Stuzz: mythweb can transcode recordings to flash on-the-fly, if the Wii supports that format and your server has the horsepower

[05:31:21]

wagnerrp:

Stuzz: better option is to just buy a proper frontend

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Stuzz:

wagnerrp : Thanks.. Wii only supports that format. Is mythweb a mythtv add on, or alternative?

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Beirdo:

still compiling...

[05:33:05]

Stuzz:

I'm not looking for any concrete solution at this stage to get myself a real frontend.. I'm just playing

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Beirdo:

mythtv compiling on virtualbox on an Atom-based netbook :)

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is a web application designed for apache+php

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wagnerrp:

comes with the other plugins

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Stuzz:

wagnerrp: I had success with Media Center X for Wii last night. It's abandoned and only does a very basic job of video, audio and pictures

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Stuzz:

I'll look into mythweb

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Beirdo:

so bored

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

lets give this 'new and obfuscated' query a shot...

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Beirdo:

still compiling

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Beirdo:

but I got all the smoky clothing from camping washed :)

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Beirdo:

it smelled like a good scotch :)

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Beirdo:

that's the fun of being around smoky fires...

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah! http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1871098

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Beirdo:

well, almost bedtime for me

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wagnerrp:

heh... your bedtime hasnt changed

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wagnerrp:

only the local time

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Guest6127:

mythconverg.eit_cache error : 5 when fixing table error : 5 when trying to write bufferts Error : Error writing file '/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/eit_cache.MYI' (Errcode: 5)

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Guest6127:

I want to back up my mythconverg database but eit -cache has an error

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Guest6127:

I m running karmic

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Guest6127:

I have tried mysqlcheck -u root -p --repair mythconverg

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Guest6127:

and tried fixing from mythweb

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Guest6127:

the error i get i have posted above

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Guest6127:

I dont actually use eit data I use shepherd which is a program used in australia to collect date from all the FTA channels

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Guest6127:

and others

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JohnQ:

So, a few weeks ago there was a glitch which caused my system time to be set way into the future for a short period of time... and since then, the backend does not run mythfilldatabase automatically anymore. Running it manually fills the DB, but only that once. Anyone have any ideas?

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Guest6127:

*data not date

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Guest6127:

reinstall mythbackend or does this remove mysql and your database... not sure... Im only a hack...

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Guest6127:

Johnq just a suggestion above

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Guest6127:

Anyone?

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pak0:

my personal battle with this chipset continues.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9152636#post9152636

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pak0:

xDD

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Guest6127:

Im using mythtv and want to back up my db but i get an error e\with eit_cache as above

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Guest6127:

error : 5 when fixing table

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Guest6127:

<Guest6127> <Guest6127> error : 5 when trying to write bufferts

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Guest6127:

<Guest6127> <Guest6127> Error : Error writing file '/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/eit_cache.MYI' (Errcode: 5)

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Guest6127:

anyone good with mysql

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Guest6127:

I cant seem to post on the mysql channel

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beatbreaker:

hi – will the new mythbuntu 10.04 beta work with a mythbackend on myth version 0.22 ??

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Guest6127:

no

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beatbreaker:

god damn

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Guest6127:

you would need to update the backend to 0.23

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beatbreaker:

yea.. and 0.23 isn't out out and I don't want to upgrade yet i'm thinking]

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Guest6127:

but if your bE has 0.22 working

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Guest6127:

you can upgrade it to 0.23

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Guest6127:

without loosing all your recordings

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beatbreaker:

yeah i know

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Guest6127:

but its a task....

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beatbreaker:

but i'll likely have to make some changes

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Guest6127:

beatbreaker,

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beatbreaker:

there'll always be something to configure in the upgrade... and it won't be documented yet

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Guest6127:

beatbreaker, 0.23 is out for karmic

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beatbreaker:

yea

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Guest6127:

beatbreaker, you just ned to enable the repository

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beatbreaker:

but i'm not on that

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beatbreaker:

i'm on SuSE fore backend

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Guest6127:

well your up s...creek without a paddle

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AndyCap:

beatbreaker: you like pain? :)

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Guest6127:

run a diskless front end when you want to watch tv

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Guest6127:

simply lan boot

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Guest6127:

and make it 0.22 problem solved ....next

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AndyCap:

beatbreaker: using compiled packages and different distros is going to leave you hanging when new versions are released

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Guest6127:

now back to my problem with mysql

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Guest6127:

whya cant i post on the mysql channel

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AndyCap:

you could need a registered nick?

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beatbreaker:

i've got no problem compiling my own mythtv and making it run

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AndyCap:

beatbreaker: compile the same version on all boxes and you're good. :)

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Guest6127:

this is what it says * #mysql :Cannot send to channel

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AndyCap:

good to go

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beatbreaker:

anyway i might just stay on 0.22 for now, i'm going to reinstall my backend to be something like centos / redhat / fedora

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beatbreaker:

SuSE makes me feel like a baby with YAST

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Guest6127:

anyone help me fix mythconverg eit_data

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Guest6127:

as its has error code 5 whne i go to backup my DB

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Guest6127:

and I want to back it up so i can attempt to install 0.23 and upgrade my db

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Guest6127:

but thebackup fails at eit_data

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Guest6127:

Dont all speak at once.....

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Guest6127:

hwo the heell do i fix my name so im not guest

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Guest6127:

bumpity bump

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AndyCap:

Guest6127: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml

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Guest6127:

thanks AndyCap

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Guest6127:

AndyCap, Il have a read and add to favorites so i can refer.

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justinh:

bump, in IRC? LOL

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justinh:

on mythtvtalk.com I wanted to ban everybody who bumped threads

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justinh:

should be commonplace IMHO then less people would be in the habit of it :)

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cityLights:

hi all, is there a tool to automatically copy recorded shows to a portable player, every day I get a fresh batch of shows to watch?

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justinh:

awww I was gonna tell cityLights about the ipod export user job

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Guest6127:

anyone want to help me with mysql problem

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Guest6127:

eit_cache has an error

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Guest6127:

is it possible to fix error?

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Guest6127:

or must i start afresh and import all databases except eit_cache

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Guest6127:

eiT_cache has an error because my hdd filled up

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Guest6127:

and mysql was unable to write to disk

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Guest6127:

i have tried command mysqlcheck -u root -p --repair mythconverg

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Guest6127:

but this cannot fix

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jarle:

Guest6127: You can just delete the table using mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE eit_cache;'

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jarle:

Guest6127: it is just a temp storage location for eit-data

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jarle:

Guest6127: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/427654

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mag0o:

Guest6127: there is a script in contrib that should repair the db

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Guest6127:

jarle thanks very much

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Guest6127:

mag0o whre is contrib?

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Guest6127:

is this a safer option than what jarle suggests

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jarle:

Guest6127: What you have in the eit_cache is old and obsolete and wil automatically be deleted by mythtv if you manage to fix it... so no need for the extra step, just truncate the table..

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Guest6127:

jarle you are a god!

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Guest6127:

it worked!

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Guest6127:

thnakyou so much

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Guest6127:

I can now do a backup!

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Guest6127:

and get some sleep

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jarle:

Guest6127: it would have been harder to fix if the error was in a more important table.

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mag0o:

Guest6127: <path_to_mythtv>/contrib/recovery/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl just for future reference

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Guest6127:

thanks mag0o Ill cut and paste that into my help file for future useage...

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Guest6127:

thnaks very much

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** j-rod does happy dance. gt220 is a fantastic upgrade over a 9600gt. **

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j-rod:

draws less power, decodes moar betterer.

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j-rod:

doesn't have the jacked up decoding errors my 9600gt was showing

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j-rod:

still need to see if its onboard hdmi behaves better than the ion's hdmi wrt passing all audio

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justinh:

awesome. Mk2 of the number plate spinner is operational

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j-rod:

wewt. imon driver is now officially merged upstream.

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j-rod:

I can start neutering lirc_imon RSN

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TUplink:

ok so tmdb.py isnt working any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

"Doctor, I'm sick, what surgery should I get?"

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iamlindoro:

Sure you don't want to evaluate symptoms first?

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TUplink:

lol

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TUplink:

it wont lookup data

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TUplink:

the path is corect in settings to tmdb.py

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iamlindoro:

I can tell this is going to be an uphill battle

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iamlindoro:

Did you install the python bindings? Have you run the script from the command line?

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iamlindoro:

/path/to/tmdb.py -M "Serenity"

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TUplink:

let me try with the -M

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TUplink:

yea the script works

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iamlindoro:

Then congrats, it works fine

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TUplink:

but the FE wont pull it

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TUplink:

or mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Give me an example file name

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iamlindoro:

and don't use mythweb

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TUplink:

lol

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TUplink:

Fan Boys

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Shadow__X:

actual file name

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iamlindoro:

What are you doing in mythvideo to pull metadata?

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iamlindoro:

and yes, actual file name

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TUplink:

i > Lookup

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nichos:

hi all, does anyone have any experience with the WD GREEN drives? I was wondering if they're fast enough for HD content

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iamlindoro:

Erm, sounds like you're paraphrasing

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iamlindoro:

Since there's no such option

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mag0o:

nichos: i have a wd green 1tb in my backend and hd over copper to my revo works fine

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TUplink:

i was... i > Metadata Options > Download Metadata

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Shadow__X:

nichos: green drives are plenty fast for hd

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iamlindoro:

TUplink: still waiting on an actual filename

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nichos:

even dual tuners?

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iamlindoro:

TUplink: Pastebin frontend logs

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iamlindoro:

TUplink: "Fan Boys" does not exist at TMDB

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mag0o:

nichos: 1 tuner recording from stb and one usb recording with multi-rec from OTA antenna, no issues with 3 recordings at the same time

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iamlindoro:

Need to look up a movie that actually exists there

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nichos:

sweet

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nichos:

a 2TB is on sale for $130 right now

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iamlindoro:

nichos: Even HD content is a trickle of data on to or off of disk

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iamlindoro:

A couple MB/s on the absolute outside-- even the worst drives on earth do many, many times that throughput

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nichos:

it has a 64mb cache

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nichos:

thanks for the info guys

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TUplink:

http://pastebin.com/CqbjECBp

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TUplink:

all of this metadata lookuped fine on 0.22

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TUplink:

not one caried over

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iamlindoro:

TUplink: You have some sort of binding or environment issue

[15:46:10]

iamlindoro:

and no idea what you mean by "carried over"

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TUplink:

ok..... so whats that mean?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: "error(global name 'errormsg' is not defined)"

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iamlindoro:

It means you have a configuration problem

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ThisOtherGuy:

hey all

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Shadow__X:

uhoh does this mean another non dev running a prerelease and not reading docs?

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TUplink:

well if i take the command it shows it fails tmdb.py' -l en -M The Dukes Of Hazzard if i put Â´ around the TITLE it work

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TUplink:

s

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iamlindoro:

It had nothing to do with quotes

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iamlindoro:

er has

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iamlindoro:

What you see in the logs is a representation of the command that is run, not the command that is actually run

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iamlindoro:

ie, it's there for logging purposes, not as a strict representation of the process

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TUplink:

ok....

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TUplink:

so where do i start on figuring it out?

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TUplink:

is it python

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TUplink:

is it a SHELL thing

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TUplink:

is it mythbackend

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TUplink:

catch my drift

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iamlindoro:

Most likely an issue with your environment variables, or your install of the python bindings

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** Shadow__X watches in anticipation for iamlindoro response **

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iamlindoro:

relax

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TUplink:

ok... let me try somthing

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TUplink:

on the Backend?

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iamlindoro:

Has nothing to do with the backend

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TUplink:

or the Frontend?

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TUplink:

ok....

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TUplink:

WOW

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TUplink:

iamlindoro: ok.... SIMPLE issue

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TUplink:

LOL

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TUplink:

somehow i lost my DNS server so put it in and well it works

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iamlindoro:

cool

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I am looking at the "errormsg" and I do think he found a real bug but I need to look some more.

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TUplink:

LOL

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wagnerrp:

well... its a bug of bad error reporting, not one of broken functionality

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, not a functional issue

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johnnyj:

good morning people

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi Johnnyj

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lordi:

http://www.managerleague.com/index.pl?ref=284582 – The Best Online Football Manager, Sign Up Please!:)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do python bindings help interpret recstatus? I.e. so users don't have to hard-code stuff like -3 and 11?

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wagnerrp:

which one is recstatus?

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sphery:

-3, rsRecorded, 11, rsNeverRecord, etc

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wagnerrp:

i mean what table? or is that in programinfo?

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sphery:

basically, I'm sending a reply to Re: [mythtv-users] dump/import watched show list? recommending python bindings

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sphery:

recstatus from oldrecorded

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wagnerrp:

oldrecorded, no... dont have anything for that

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sphery:

just wanted to make sure the whole process is doable from bidnings first

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wagnerrp:

i would just add it like i do for other defines

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johnnyj:

do any of you have nuvexport working? mine seems to dislike my ffmpeg installation

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wagnerrp:

like Record.kNotRecording, Record.kSingleRecord, etc...

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sphery:

so http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings#se . . . .2Akwargs.29 gives you the numeric recstatus?

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wagnerrp:

the Job class has similar defines

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wagnerrp:

correct

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sphery:

ok

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wagnerrp:

ive intended on building something like that directly into the bindings

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wagnerrp:

but each time it keeps coming back to me waiting for it to be added to the backend, and just passing the relevant data to the backend to do it

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sphery:

you mean have some protocol command to request the values?

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sphery:

pastebin.ca is terribly unreliable these days

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wagnerrp:

pass it some form of videoinfo structure, and have the backend formulate that into an XML file for external storage

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sphery:

wagnerrp: does this look somewhat correct? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/0qWizqxb

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wagnerrp:

or pass it the XML file, and get a videoinfo back to populate recorded/videometadata/whatever

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sphery:

just a heads up before I send... since you may end up answering the questions on the bindings after the fact

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

this is more "figure out what I've seen so I can delete it from the parents box"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: if you want everything from those tables (which i suspect he does), better to just do Recorded().getAllEntries()

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iamlindoro:

"[mythtv-users] Is backend involved when watching a recording."

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iamlindoro:

How do these people manage to get myth installed?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you just want me to write up an explination of how to do it?

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sphery:

heh, that would work, too

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sphery:

I'll simplify mine...

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sphery:

there, simplified mine substantially

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sphery:

gives the idea--python bindings--without any hints as to how :)

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sphery:

thanks for helping, wagnerrp--I was way out of my element

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johnnyj:

speaking of which

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johnnyj:

I /really/ could use some direction on nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

thats perl and/or beirdo

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iamlindoro:

#!/bin/beirdo

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj: its very possible it simply wont work against your version of ffmpeg

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johnnyj:

which i've recompiled (a few times) using http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg changes their internal API as much as mythtv, and often their command line syntax gets altered to match

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johnnyj:

i've made progress – now everything but the options I'm after show disabled

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wagnerrp:

thats why mythtv uses its own snapshot of ffmpeg, rather than linking against external libraries

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sphery:

and iamlindoro found a nice project that makes perl wrappers for ffmpeg command line options that we should modify nuvexport to use

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sphery:

so they keep up with the changes and we don't have to

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AndyCap:

sphery: are they active?

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sphery:

AndyCap: http://search.cpan.org/~allenday/FFmpeg-6036/ ?

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sphery:

seems it was last on 2006, so maybe not

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it seems like maybe not

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Sorry, I meant to mention that the other day, but started looking for alternatives, got distracted, etc.

[16:45:38]

iamlindoro:

It's still a good idea :)

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sphery:

heh, no biggie

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sphery:

guess we'll have to just move the transcoding to the backend and get rid of the ffmpeg dependency

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iamlindoro:

Of course...

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iamlindoro:

http://code.google.com/p/pyffmpeg/

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iamlindoro:

We could just convince wagnerrp to write pyexport ;)

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sphery:

Yeah, Perl's big experiment seems to have sidetracked a lotof progress on Perl

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wagnerrp:

pyexport? would that be something that would export videos to ascii art wrapped in an executable python script?

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sphery:

nice...

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sphery:

mythexport.py would work

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wagnerrp:

there already is a mythexport, and possibly a mythexport.py

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sphery:

well, they're not official, so they can change :)

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sphery:

so, thinking about it, mythlink.pl sounds a lot like a script to connect a couple myth boxes

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iamlindoro:

only if you're sony

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sphery:

lol

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** wagnerrp kicks off RenameFest oh-ten **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: besides, mythexport should probably be called "mythexport.real"

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sphery:

so, Ubuntu has stuff like mythbackend.real and mythfrontend.real, and all Apple stuff is iPod, iPad, iTunes, ... I'm starting to think the i is like in math--imaginary...

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iamlindoro:

sphery: so that ubuntu can wrap it in mythexport.real.real?

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sphery:

so they're wrap a wrapper for ffmpeg

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johnnyj:

well the reason I was trying to use nuvexport is that I have some divx files that I need in x264 format so my revo FE can play them

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johnnyj:

i thought i'd figured out the ffmpeg command to do this and i ran a short test and the resulting file was playable

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johnnyj:

I ran a for loop on the entire season of files and in the morning the files wouldnt play

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iamlindoro:

x264 is a program, not a format :)

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iamlindoro:

H.264, on the other hand :)

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johnnyj:

libx264 then?

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johnnyj:

ok

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johnnyj:

reminds me of a 98 i got once in chemistry class

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wagnerrp:

sphery: how exactly do those recstatus values work?

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wagnerrp:

or should i just tell him to duplicate the whole oldrecorded entry onto the remote machine?

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johnnyj:

all of which i realize is out of scope – so I was trying to use nuvexport to swerve it back into scope

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . minfo.h#L163

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sphery:

he wants *only* -3 and 11

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wagnerrp:

so only duplicate those that are -3 and 11?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

everything else is deleted after 10 days--those are the only long-term meaningful ones

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sphery:

others are primarily for "why didn't this record"

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sphery:

and, by only duplicate those ... I mean for him. For the bindings, having named values for each would be good

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sphery:

(long term--not necessary right now)

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

seems i dont allow searching by recstatus... guess i didnt know what it did at the time

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sphery:

yeah, but he could pull them all and just sort through them himself--he won't be running it /that/ often

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sphery:

(himself = in the script)

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wagnerrp:

well i allow a 'custom where' in the searches

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sphery:

I don't know how often people would realy need to query by status

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wagnerrp:

i just have to remember the syntax to allow that

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wagnerrp:

looks like custom=('recstatus',-3)

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Peitolm:

sphery: you listed the rules for multiple sources of one channel (channel name, call sign, xmltv id), and how it affects things like visibility and scheduling, any chance you could repeat it, I didn't have it logged and it scrolled off the top of my screen before I realised and logged off

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: you cant scroll up?

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Peitolm:

running irssi in screen,

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wagnerrp:

you cant check someone else's logs? http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channe/1/2010-04-21

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Peitolm:

one sec

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sphery:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010 . . . -20:14:00:00

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Peitolm:

Thanks sphery

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Peitolm:

I didn't know the channel was logged

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johnnyj:

it changes everything, doesn't it?

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Peitolm:

yes

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Peitolm:

found it http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010 . . . -20:16:10:59

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wagnerrp:

dont commercial DVRs have some sort of break-in capacity where stuff like severe weather alerts can override the normal playback?

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iamlindoro:

If they do, that would be really obnoxious

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iamlindoro:

(assuming one could not disable it)

[17:54:11]

iamlindoro:

then again, I live somewhere with no severe weather

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wagnerrp:

i mean stuff like NWS alerts, stuff that would otherwise trip an emergency alert radio

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iamlindoro:

If the systemwide notification stuff ever happens, could probably use those with emergency weather alerts

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iamlindoro:

dunno if gbee still have any plans for all that

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering about the case of severe weather alerts and livetv (in the context of the far too large multirec thread)

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wagnerrp:

once the rewritten OSD stuff gets into play, it would be interesting for something like mythweather to be able to break in, either with a popup, or completely

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wagnerrp:

and display weather alerts

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iamlindoro:

I should have tested my little twitter client against the OSD branch when I was running it-- oh well

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iamlindoro:

(just to see if global miniplayers/popups worked

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sphery:

I hate that thread

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sphery:

There can't possibly be a better way to do things than /my/ way.

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sphery:

Granted, I'm saying Live TV isn't better than my way, but I fully admit that some people probably have ideas that would improve on my way.

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iamlindoro:

The only person who has spoken up in that thread who wants to improve live TV who I have any confidence in is Mark... and he has his hands full :)

[18:12:25]

wagnerrp:

of course he said the discussion was ready to end last night

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iamlindoro:

not that it has

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wagnerrp:

sphery: if you hit 'record' in livetv, you can continue to access that recording after going to another channel?

[18:14:37]

wagnerrp:

it will actually swap between recorders?

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highzeth:

oh man, I shouldnt be surprised, but... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=begi . . . pastebin.com

[18:24:14]

wagnerrp:

none of them are keys, theyre all spam

[18:24:39]

wagnerrp:

for instance... http://pastebin.com/jNxAatyK

[18:24:44]

wagnerrp:

i dont even know what one of those is...

[18:25:01]

iamlindoro:

heh, http://blogs.law.emory.edu/itwiki/MythTV

[18:25:16]

iamlindoro:

Not a new idea, but interesting to see it implemented somewhat cleanly

[18:25:57]

highzeth:

wagnerrp: sure, but http://pastebin.com/fadc1ecb fi

[18:26:24]

wagnerrp:

highzeth: yeah, ok... its /mostly/ spam

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highzeth:

anything turns into spam at some point =)

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** wagnerrp gets back to this delicious burger on DAL **

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highzeth:

hehe

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nichos:

hi all, im having problems with "Watch Videos" whenever I go to watch a video i get no audio. I get audio in mplayer. Also, when I go to watch a video then go back to LIVETV, audio no longer works there either

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iamlindoro:

nobody can help you without logs

[18:42:26]

iamlindoro:

If you are using the internal player in MythVideo, it is exactly the same as watching television, so there is something missing in your description

[18:42:59]

nichos:

iamlindoro, I have been using the internal player

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no, that's what I meant by you'll have to exit Live TV to watch the other recordings

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nichos:

the video comes up, but no audio

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nichos:

then going back to liveTV, the audio doesn't work. I didn't see an place to set the audio device (like in music and TV) in the video section,

[18:43:48]

nichos:

did I miss it?

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sphery:

nichos: chances are you have your MythTV audio configuration broken

[18:44:44]

sphery:

maybe using passthrough or something your hardware isn't set up to support

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sphery:

and it puts your sound card into a broken state

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sphery:

where it needs reset

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nichos:

sphery – I can jump between live TV & music no problem

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sphery:

the Internal player uses the same settings everywhere, though

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nichos:

hmmmm

[18:45:36]

sphery:

and music and Live TV likely use different audio formats/rates/... from the videos in MythVideo

[18:46:02]

iamlindoro:

nichos: again, we could be guessing for *hours*, or we can look at logs

[18:46:08]

sphery:

so something about the videos is different, which changes the config of your audio system

[18:46:19]

sphery:

and until you change it back, you have no audio

[18:46:31]

sphery:

but, yeah, that's just a guess since I have no info

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iamlindoro:

And please, not excerpts-- the entire logs, including a "good" playback, cause the problem to happen, and then try to go back to what should be working

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nichos:

ok, let me reboot and give it a go

[18:48:29]

nichos:

my backend log is 4mbs:)

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iamlindoro:

nichos: random guess, is this Mythbuntu/ubuntu 10.04?

[18:48:43]

nichos:

spot on

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iamlindoro:

nichos: we only care about frontend logs, just restart the frontend

[18:48:56]

iamlindoro:

It's some random ubuntu alsa issue, it's outside of mythtv

[18:49:44]

iamlindoro:

but anyway, get the logs

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sphery:

or Pulse Audio issue

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iamlindoro:

if it's mythbuntu, no pulse

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sphery:

maybe the pulses just have /very/ low frequencies, so the "audio on" crest is during recording playback, then the "audio off" trough is during video playback...

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sphery:

I thought they still had Pulse installed, but they just allowed myth to suspend it

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iamlindoro:

Not in mythbuntu, TTBOMK

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iamlindoro:

ubuntu yes, mythbuntu no

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sphery:

could be

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iamlindoro:

Though that might have changed when I wasn't looking

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sphery:

I don't keep up

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nichos:

133K 2010-04–19 22:53 mythfrontend.log

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nichos:

is not being updated???

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sphery:

I thought it was changing recently to make maintenance easier

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nichos:

(this is mythbuntu to answer that question)

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wagnerrp:

nichos: are you running mythfrontend from the command line?

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nichos:

wagnerrp no, openbox menu

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iamlindoro:

if not, you should

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nichos:

ok

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iamlindoro:

open a terminal, run "mythfrontend.real"

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iamlindoro:

then use the terminal output to create your pastebin

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iamlindoro:

ie, the terminal output is your log

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nichos:

http://pastebin.com/rFjiTJHs

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nichos:

I opened a recorded show, then went to a recorded video

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nichos:

if it's not apparent in the log

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iamlindoro:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/197441

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like that

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iamlindoro:

which appears to be broken alsa config

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iamlindoro:

Same exact trigger conditions, AC3, then non AC3

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sphery:

Arguments for/against having contrib/config_files in contrib versus the wiki? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . config_files

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yuck, can't we just delete them altogether?

[19:01:27]

nichos:

old bug, probably won't be fixed anytime soon:)

[19:01:31]

wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know if oldrecorded entries keep their recordedcredits references?

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sphery:

works for me, but...

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nichos:

is myth a huge problem? Should I switch to fedora or mythdora?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not off the top of my head...

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iamlindoro:

nichos: Sounds like you just need to configure alsa properly

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iamlindoro:

where "just" should probably be in quotes

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm guessing no... they're deleted with the program

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sphery:

s/program/recording/

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wagnerrp:

what about the guide data (program)?

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nichos:

iamlindoro alsa, not myth?

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iamlindoro:

nichos: Correct, your problem appears not to have anything to do with myth

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iamlindoro:

nichos: Since according to myth, it is happily opening and playing back both the passthrough and default alsa nodes, and alsa is telling it it's fine

[19:04:35]

nichos:

iamlindoro ok, thanks for pointing me in the right direction

[19:05:02]

iamlindoro:

nichos: You could also try redoing your myth sound config from scratch, there's at least a few small issues with yours

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sphery:

wagnerrp: pretty sure that's only kept for recordings...

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wagnerrp:

well it has to be stored somewhere doesnt it?

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iamlindoro:

nichos: Namely, you are using the alsa SPDIF status bits, which I have been told is no longer necessary (ie, just use ALSA:iec958 instead of ALSA:iec958{ AES0 0x02 })

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nichos:

iamlindoro it was pretty difficult, most of the documentation out there was written (wrote?) for .22, as you know much has changed in .23

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any other table that seems like it might hold that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not after the recording is deleted

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wagnerrp:

theres no programcredits

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sphery:

credits is for program and recordedcredits for recorded

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sphery:

ttbomk, there's no oldrecordedcredits

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wagnerrp:

credits... missed that one

[19:06:52]

wagnerrp:

thanks!

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iamlindoro:

nichos: also, you might try enabling upmix to 5.1, and making sure passthrough is enabled for DTS and AC3, then everything should use the passthrough device

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sphery:

since most of oldrecorded is irrelevant--unless we also have a recording, in which case recordedcredits has it :)

[19:07:16]

iamlindoro:

but do get rid of the { AES0 0x02 } stuff

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sphery:

(irrelevant from finding info on an episode--other than info required for dup matching)

[19:07:44]

wagnerrp:

oof... whats with this 6-pt font on the mailing list

[19:07:51]

iamlindoro:

nichos: Note that if any of this works, it's still not a myth bug, but rather a myth workaround to the alsa config issue

[19:08:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro: what, it's not good to always set the sound card to non-audio mode?

[19:08:13]

wagnerrp:

sphery: right, i was saying the credits for the guide data had to exist somewhere, i just wasnt seeing the table for that

[19:08:17]

sphery:

but on the -users list and the wiki, they said...

[19:08:17]

iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, thought you were still wondering about oldrecorded

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nichos:

iamlindoro, without the AEs0 i get that loud jittery sound through my amp, same with enable 5.1. Also, i thought the passthrough option was removed??

[19:08:55]

iamlindoro:

passthrough has not been removed

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wagnerrp:

it has just been arranged differently, and a certain wiki user couldnt be bothered to update his guide to match

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sphery:

nichos: which just means your ALSA config is really broken

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nichos:

iamlindoroa could you please tell me where it is? I spent many hours going through documentation that referred to it but never found it. I thoght it was removed in .23

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sphery:

i.e. get sound working properly, then Myth will work properly

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iamlindoro:

You have to tick "advanced audio configuration" or some such

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sphery:

and, yeah, I know that "it works in mplayer"--but that's because you have mplayer configured differently

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iamlindoro:

and then you get the options for upmix, and the options to enable passthrough

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sphery:

not to mention the fact that mplayer is a banana and MythTV is an orange

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sphery:

(can't be an Apple, because that would be a trademark infringement)

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nichos:

passthrough is still called passthrough?

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iamlindoro:

Probably called "Audio capabilities" or some such

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iamlindoro:

It's not immediately obvious in looking at it

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nichos:

there's "audio processing capabilities" which contains dolby & dts

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iamlindoro:

But the DTS and AC3 checkboxes *are* checkboxes to enable passthrough for those formats

[19:13:42]

iamlindoro:

Yes, there is

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nichos:

ahhh i see

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nichos:

i have those working (or so I claim, & according to my amp), if i checkthe upconvert or remove the AES0 0x02 i get static on the line, which is why they're like that

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iamlindoro:

since you're using spdif, set your output to stereo

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iamlindoro:

yes, I know that sounds crazy

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iamlindoro:

Stereo, advanced audio processing on, upmix on, both DTS and AC3 checked

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iamlindoro:

then remove the status bit

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iamlindoro:

If after doing *all* of that you still get issues, then it's time to find some alsa professional to exorcise your demons

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iamlindoro:

but that's a job for another channel :)

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nichos:

changing speaker config to "stereo" removes all the options (output device, dolby, etc)

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iamlindoro:

blah, maybe he changed the logic back

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iamlindoro:

ok, so 5.1

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nichos:

Here is my current config, which has been abou the only way I could get it to work: http://imgur.com/sP8lt.jpg

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iamlindoro:

nichos: Then you're going to need to find someone to help you with your (evidently broken) alsa config

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iamlindoro:

because at least as far as myth is concerned, alsa is telling it "yep, boss, I'm playing that audio for you"

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nichos:

ok

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nichos:

ill go from there

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nichos:

hopefully this will fix any stability issues i have

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nichos:

thanks for your help today

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iamlindoro:

np, good luck

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wagnerrp:

of course those guide searches are fairly long

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm giddy that your bindings keep users out of the DB!

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wagnerrp:

the users dont know that, they still parse the mysql.txt and connect on their own

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nutron:

wagnerrp: what bindings?

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iamlindoro:

python

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wagnerrp:

see?

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nutron:

trume sure sleeps a lot.

[19:42:08]

nutron:

Oh nah ... see with these IRC nicks it's tough to figure out who's working on what. Just curious.

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** wagnerrp 's IRC nick is the same as his commit logon **

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nutron:

python ... for? (gimme something to google)

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iamlindoro:

Myth.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv?

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nutron:

oh oh oh :P I get it, thought you were working on something fandangled and new. Sorry

[19:43:13]

nutron:

:P

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wagnerrp:

well theyre all of about 4mo old

[19:45:09]

nutron:

I'm still a perl zealot and haven't really dived into python at all. I'm sure I'll have to eventually.

[19:45:23]

wagnerrp:

always looking for someone to update the perl bindings

[19:45:39]

wagnerrp:

theyve hardly gotten any love in several years

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nutron:

Oh really? Show me?

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iamlindoro:

it's in the source, show yourself!

[19:46:28]

iamlindoro:

:)

[19:46:29]

wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/bindings/perl/

[19:46:31]

nutron:

Hah, I'm there already

[19:46:39]

nutron:

wagnerrp: thanks

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iamlindoro:

You'd have a lot of work ahead of you to compete with the python bindings :)

[19:47:06]

iamlindoro:

python bindings make the perl bindings look like a sick sort of joke at the moment

[19:47:21]

nutron:

:(

[19:47:39]

iamlindoro:

But that's where you come in ;)

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wagnerrp:

nutron: the perl bindings as the currently exist basically grew out of a refactoring of nuvexport

[19:49:32]

wagnerrp:

although one of the long-absent devs has recently returned, and apparently hes looking into updating both

[19:49:37]

wagnerrp:

or at least nuvexport

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nutron:

Excellent, well it looks like it's up my alley. I've asked about a few different areas, and they're all being worked on so this is good.

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wagnerrp:

nutron: we could also use some bash bindings.... as so many users seem to want to program in that these days

[19:54:04]

** wagnerrp chuckles a bit...' **

[19:54:20]

nutron:

Would it be safe to say that I want to ... lol

[19:56:41]

nutron:

What's the target system? Would it matter if the bindings depended on other perl modules that may not be part of base?

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wagnerrp:

there was a rather vocal user in here about a month back pushing some bash script that was a horrid mess of curl, grep, awk, and mysql , all piped into eachother

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wagnerrp:

claiming everyone knew bash was the ideal language for dealing with text data

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nutron:

wagnerrp: yuck. Well ... perl is the ideal language for dealing with data :P

[19:58:28]

nutron:

I guess you get all kinds. The python bindings are indeed sexy btw.

[19:58:52]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was going to respond with some comment about how everyone tries to be compatible with perl's blend of regular expressions... hence PCRE

[19:59:11]

wagnerrp:

but i realized that he was right, and there was no chance of convincing him otherwise

[19:59:24]

wagnerrp:

no sense spending time trying

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nutron:

indeed, well it looks like something I can definitely fondle. I was wondering why all the helper scripts were gettin' snake-like

[20:03:01]

wagnerrp:

'helper scripts' meaning mirobridge and jamu (plus a couple much smaller ones i put together)

[20:03:26]

wagnerrp:

of course both of those were out in some form before i ever started tinkering with the python bindings

[20:03:27]

nutron:

yessir

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AndyCap:

nutron: because misleading advertising told people python would get the girls. :)

[20:03:52]

nutron:

haha

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: sure, but at least perl can be pulled out in public without causing you to be arrested

[20:04:52]

nutron:

I'd be writing VB and C# programs all day if I actually listened to my profs... dumbasses

[20:06:46]

AndyCap:

it's a living, but not a way of life. :P

[20:07:01]

nutron:

actually C# didn't exist when I went to school

[20:08:27]

AndyCap:

it's pushing 9 years now.

[20:08:55]

wagnerrp:

im a bit surprised the MythtvJ guy never pushed to get included

[20:09:21]

nutron:

I'm pretty open to things, but I seem to be quite judgmental of MS technology

[20:10:33]

nutron:

AndyCap: yeah 1999 is when I started my business fresh out of school

[20:11:16]

nutron:

C, C++ and perl is all I know. (a smattering of ASM if you hold a gun to my head)

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AndyCap:

nutron: like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUY8HysBzsE

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wagnerrp:

nutron: just look at all these new perl scripts poping up all over the wiki

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sphery:

nutron: you could always work on the Perl bindings to make them as good as the Python bindings. :)

[20:37:26]

nutron:

sphery: looks like I can do that.

[20:38:26]

nutron:

sphery: though i'll be posting some questions about direction and interface unless there's someone that has some sort of idea. What links/uses the bindings? Is there a list so that I may keep compatibility?

[20:39:46]

wagnerrp:

nutron: i broke the old python bindings with extreme prejudice

[20:40:05]

nutron:

wagnerrp: hah ... anyone complain?

[20:40:18]

nutron:

nvm, stupid question

[20:40:27]

wagnerrp:

immediately

[20:41:02]

wagnerrp:

of course it was all people who had their own personal code, which never saw the light of the internet, and that i had no way of knowing existed

[20:41:39]

sphery:

nutron: yeah, you'll want to break compatibility--the current Perl bindings are /way/ too low level

[20:41:40]

wagnerrp:

i just made sure to update those scripts that were available on trac and the wiki

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sphery:

they're more wrappers for the low-level protocol stuff and nothing more

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iamlindoro:

all the *public* code that used the bindings had the benefit of working with wagnerrp personally, and all worked before he committed the new bindings

[20:42:12]

iamlindoro:

(as wagnerrp worked with the devs in question and made sure everything was working for them first)

[20:42:27]

wagnerrp:

s/devs/dev/

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wagnerrp:

:P

[20:42:38]

iamlindoro:

yeah yeah

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nutron:

sphery: that's what it looks like, low level in comparison to the py bindings

[20:43:09]

nutron:

wagnerrp: fair enough.

[20:43:26]

sphery:

nutron: Perl bindings patterned after the Python bindings would be ideal... Python bindings are /very/ extensive, so it would require some work... We just need some motivated people to at least contribute some of that work.

[20:43:43]

nutron:

can I ask if studly caps is the way it's done in general? I have a particular dislike for them.

[20:43:53]

sphery:

(not saying you'd need to do it all--though that would be /extremely/ nice--but if you got a good start on it, that would be wonderful)

[20:44:08]

sphery:

I'd say feel free to use Perl style in it

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sphery:

whatever Perl coders typically do (and I agree I don't really see that in Perl code) is appropriate

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sphery:

doesn't need to be the same names or anything--just similar design

[20:44:52]

nutron:

sphery: can I ask what your devel setup looks like? I'm thinking of running myth in a vm, but I have no tuners on my dev box... how do you get around that for testing? Is there a dummy interface?

[20:45:09]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards .... but to be honest, as long as you dont go out of your way to make it hard to read, i doubt anyone will really care

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sphery:

where the bindings do all the dangerous stuff (like DB access) and interpret low-level data from protocol/database into high-level structures or objects that anyone writing a Perl script can learn without worrying about the details in the Myth code

[20:45:39]

wagnerrp:

nutron: you can make a 'dummy tuner' using an mpeg encoder card pointed at an mpeg file on your hard drive

[20:45:48]

sphery:

nutron: yeah, I created a dummy tuner

[20:46:12]

nutron:

I've read the coding standards, just asked because the main code and the py bindings use caps.

[20:46:13]

wagnerrp:

nutron: or ive got a (network attached) HDHR that i can allow multiple machines to use... just not simultaneously

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sphery:

nutron: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner (though you may not be able to do it all in the UI--it may require some direct editing of the DB to get the dummy working properly)

[20:46:33]

wagnerrp:

nutron: thats what they were doing before i started, so i just continued with that

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sphery:

nutron: xr is does have his own code/comment style... might be good to use that

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sphery:

nutron: http://forevermore.net/articles/indenting-brackets-and-comments/

[20:48:28]

nutron:

wagnerrp: when you say dummy tuner, using an mpeg encoder card.... I don't have an mpeg encoder card to use in the box. I'll want to keep the svn and devel seperate from my production machines.

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nutron:

wagnerrp: I wish I had an HDHR :)

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sphery:

nutron: he's the guy who's closest to the "owner" of the perl bindings, so using his style is probably a good thing

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crazy90:

hi all

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sphery:

nutron: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner

[20:48:54]

sphery:

read the page I linked

[20:49:00]

sphery:

all youneed is an MPEG file

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wagnerrp:

nutron: you create a mpeg encoder card, but instead of pointing it at a /dev node, you point it at an mpeg file

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crazy90:

I have a problem in connecting to server

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nutron:

sphery: k will do

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crazy90:

the error is a nr 2002

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nutron:

wagnerrp: ahh I see what you mean now :)

[20:49:20]

wagnerrp:

and then you use an external channel changer of /bin/true

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sphery:

nutron: read the wiki page, though, and note my comments about how it may not be as easy as it seems

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iamlindoro:

crazy90: There's no such error, what exactly are you trying to run?

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wagnerrp:

crazy90: got a full error string we can see?

[20:50:09]

nutron:

sphery: right I will, messing with the DB is no prob...

[20:50:49]

nutron:

sphery: and yes I'll try to keep with xris's style. I just tend to name non-public methods with a _ in front etc, just old habits.

[20:50:54]

sphery:

s/messing with the DB/messing with the DB on my development, and not a production, MythTV box/

[20:50:57]

sphery:

:)

[20:50:58]

wagnerrp:

nutron: if you look at the first couple classes in MythBase.py in the python bindings, the whole purpose is to abstract the database away from the users as much as possible

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crazy90:

the server is running but I don't know where found the mysqld.sock file

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iamlindoro:

crazy90: Are you talking about MythTV, or MySQL? Because this sounds like MySQL.

[20:52:30]

wagnerrp:

its to 'dumb down' the interface so that users can write stuff with it, rather than having to have significant knowledge of the schema

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crazy90:

thx! i talk about mysql

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iamlindoro:

crazy90: #mysql might be better?

[20:53:05]

nutron:

wagnerrp: it's funny, i just had my coders do the same thing, abstract the db 100%

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crazy90:

bye!

[20:53:18]

nutron:

wagnerrp: yep, i'm totally with you.

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wagnerrp:

now that means i have to know about the schema myself, but thats what encyclopedia sphery is for

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nutron:

heh I've noticed sphery is the resident book of knowledge

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johnnyj:

s/book/font\ of\ all

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luker:

Hi Experts, does anyone have an idea why ffmpeg -target pal-vcd would produce correct mpeg video output with with weird scratching sound?

[20:57:21]

nutron:

johnnyj: serif? ... funny I just proclaimed in #debian how times makes my eyes bleed

[20:57:48]

wagnerrp:

he exudes that knowledge, and then the mailing list ignores it, and heads off to break things

[20:58:32]

wagnerrp:

luker: problem with audio resampling?

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sphery:

heh, look at all the people I've fooled!

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sphery:

Abe was /sooo/ wrong

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luker:

wagnerrp: That would explain why the sound ends long before the movie.

[21:01:42]

wagnerrp:

luker: are these recordings from a framegrabber? likely at 32or 44kHz?

[21:02:01]

wagnerrp:

VCD probably takes 48kHz

[21:02:21]

luker:

wagnerrp: That I cannot tell at the moment. It

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nutron:

How.. up-to-date is Category:DB Table?

[21:02:50]

nutron:

ie.. does it reflect the more recent revisions?

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luker:

is recorded using a Haupauge WinTV Radio

[21:03:01]

wagnerrp:

nutron: some yes, others no

[21:03:28]

wagnerrp:

nutron: although most of those pages dont provide anything more than 'desc <table>' would give you

[21:03:40]

wagnerrp:

luker: yep, framegrabber

[21:03:47]

nutron:

wagnerrp: yeah just noticed that

[21:04:09]

nutron:

oh well, there _are_ queries and examples in the code. I should be fine.

[21:04:22]

luker:

wagnerrp: And it looks and sounds Ok when played in MythTV frontend.

[21:04:46]

luker:

wagnerrp: Now I would like to export to some Windows-box-readable format.

[21:04:47]

wagnerrp:

luker: because mythtv could play it back directly

[21:05:13]

wagnerrp:

luker: if it does not have to be burned to a CD, you dont want VCD

[21:05:38]

wagnerrp:

luker: if it does have to be burned to CD, you should probably come up with some other form of data transport than CD

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wagnerrp:

VCD sucks

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luker:

wagnerrp: And by "directly" you mean that MythTv knows the correct sound codec?

[21:06:36]

wagnerrp:

luker: if mythtv made those recordings, it better be able to play them back

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luker:

wagnerrp: Ok, is there a setting for ffmpeg telling not to re-encode anything? Just stuff everything in a nice avi or mpg container?

[21:08:05]

johnnyj:

like a sausage?

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sphery:

heh

[21:08:44]

johnnyj:

sphery: why don't we add a setting?

[21:09:02]

sphery:

we need more

[21:09:07]

wagnerrp:

one to enable 'mythsausage'?

[21:09:20]

johnnyj:

mythlinks

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sphery:

after all, the users in the thread about livetv usability have proven we don't have enough--they keep asking for things that myth can do if they'd just configure things properly

[21:10:12]

** johnnyj has been having to learn ffmpeg today too **

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sphery:

(like the whole change to a different input automatically because this input is locked to this mux--we have that feature and it's now even available through browse mode if you just configure your system properly)

[21:10:37]

johnnyj:

sphery: and I thought *I* couldn't let anything go

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** sphery is bitter **

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johnnyj:

don't forget jaded

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bkupbk:

hi all, when running mythfilldatabase on an xmltv file, it wants the number of video sources to use. If I have a dual tuner would I need to run the command twice? Once with --file 1 ..., and then --file 2 ...?

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sphery:

bkupbk: in theory your 2 video sources would /not/ be using the same listings source

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wagnerrp:

if you have a dual tuner, with both tuners using the same source, it would only have to be run once

[21:12:10]

sphery:

i.e. you should /not/ have 2 video sources for 2 inputs receiving signals from the same "source" of video

[21:12:19]

sphery:

right

[21:12:30]

sphery:

and you need to reconfigure your system so it only has one (shared) video source defined

[21:12:39]

wagnerrp:

i.e.: they both capture off the same antenna, or they both capture off the same cable subscription

[21:13:01]

johnnyj:

sphery: speaking of video source, I never did get that dummy input working from mpeg file

[21:13:01]

sphery:

yeah... video source is a list of channels and their tuning information

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bkupbk:

yes, both are same source, so I only need to run it with --file 1 xmltv.xml right?

[21:13:29]

sphery:

right, because if they're the same source, you only have one "video sources to use"

[21:14:30]

sphery:

johnnyj: yeah, mine is currently broken, but pretty sure it's my channels configuration (which are digital channels)...

[21:14:40]

sphery:

actually, it tries to work, but says no inputs are available

[21:14:45]

johnnyj:

me too

[21:14:52]

sphery:

I'll look into it one day

[21:14:57]

johnnyj:

it says all tuners in use but no active recordings

[21:15:20]

sphery:

becoming less interesting since we now have a plan I like for making tunerless backends usable

[21:15:26]

sphery:

(splitting mythbackend into 2 programs)

[21:15:39]

sphery:

johnnyj: yeah, mine, too

[21:15:40]

johnnyj:

when was this hatched?

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sphery:

maybe it got broken

[21:15:46]

wagnerrp:

ove the last couple months

[21:15:49]

sphery:

yeah

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johnnyj:

got a link to it? I assume it was discussed in here?

[21:16:17]

sphery:

something I and Captain Murdoch (wonder if that will keep from beeping him) have been pushing

[21:16:25]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: basically, it has been something in consideration ever since the plan was hatched to move mythvideo to storage groups

[21:16:50]

wagnerrp:

if youre going to have all content on storage groups, you need to be able to run a backend everywhere there is content

[21:16:58]

wagnerrp:

regardless of whether there is a tuner there or not

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johnnyj:

makes sense

[21:17:46]

johnnyj:

is there a target release number on that?

[21:17:49]

wagnerrp:

so you split the backend into one program with the scheduler, protocol server, upnp, file access, jobqueue, etc...

[21:17:56]

wagnerrp:

and another program that just records

[21:18:07]

wagnerrp:

you run the former everwhere

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wagnerrp:

and the latter anywhere you have tuners

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johnnyj:

sounds good

[21:19:02]

nutron:

am I missing all of this discussion because I keep away from the mailing lists?

[21:19:13]

wagnerrp:

no, youre just in the wrong channel

[21:19:20]

nutron:

I have an itchy trigger finger...

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nutron:

so is xris retired?

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stuartm:

why do people still insist on running mythfilldatabase manually?

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wagnerrp:

no, just has other, more pressing things in his life

[21:21:21]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: mythtv-setup tells them to

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sphery:

johnnyj: I think http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010 . . . -01:22:15:42 is the only here discussion of it. Most of the rest since then was in #mythtv

[21:21:44]

nutron:

wagnerrp: I just don't want to bother him if he's inactive on purpose regarding perl

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sphery:

johnnyj: basically, wagnerrp, Capt ain_Mur doch , and me

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johnnyj:

nutron: feel free to fix up nuvexport too

[21:22:18]

nutron:

johnnyj: what's wrong with nuvexport?

[21:22:34]

johnnyj:

sphery: i may actually look into what's horked on the dummy tuner

[21:22:41]

wagnerrp:

johnnyj: and im really only part of it as far as how it would pertain to rewrites with the bindings

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wagnerrp:

ah, i remember that conversation

[21:23:27]

wagnerrp:

something to do with a thread on the mailing list at the time

[21:23:31]

sphery:

seems you started it

[21:23:59]

sphery:

I mentioned splitting up mythbackend, and CM made it a usable design

[21:23:59]

Peitolm:

can i ask what might seem a daft question, if I have a channel that is the same on 2 inputs(xmltvid), but the inputs have different sources, it won't share listings will it?

[21:24:33]

sphery:

before that I think the plan was to put the file serving into both mythbackend and mythfrontend

[21:24:54]

sphery:

Peitolm: exactly, can't share listings across sources

[21:25:07]

sphery:

so you need to configure a listings source for both video suorces

[21:25:10]

Peitolm:

sphery without testing it, I think that was my problem

[21:25:18]

** Peitolm bangs his head on the desk **

[21:25:20]

sphery:

and if you run EIT, you have to run it on /both/ sources

[21:25:28]

sphery:

careful! you'll dent the oak!

[21:25:32]

wagnerrp:

Peitolm: there have been a couple attempts to do sharing like that, where one channel could have been supplied by EIT from one of the sources

[21:25:36]

wagnerrp:

but nothing official

[21:25:57]

sphery:

best approach is to get data outside of Myth, then use mfdb to read it in to both sources

[21:26:13]

wagnerrp:

its generally considered bad to provide more than provider for a single source

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sphery:

so, for example, using the dvb/eit grabber for xmltv and then dumping that file into myth for both sources

[21:26:25]

wagnerrp:

such as pulling in from both a listings provider, and EIT data

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Peitolm:

sphery: mfdb? (i'm using tv_grab_uk_rt which supports a cache)

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wagnerrp:

which is what that would be doing

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sphery:

mythfilldatabase

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Peitolm:

sphery: ah, ta

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Peitolm:

your talk about backends, it's still true that a backend has to have a capture source then?

[21:28:00]

wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

officially

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sphery:

Any TK gurus here?

[21:28:20]

sphery:

wanna take up a challenge?

[21:28:34]

wagnerrp:

i think sphery's link above lists the complications that may come from a tunerless backend

[21:28:44]

sphery:

shouldn't be too hard (guessing)

[21:29:16]

wagnerrp:

talking about the tk frontend remote?

[21:29:26]

sphery:

yep

[21:29:51]

sphery:

want to turn it from using a separate image for each button to using a single image with all buttons and just grabbing the image portion it needs...

[21:30:01]

sphery:

filmstrip or .... there's a name for that approcah

[21:30:12]

sphery:

was common in the early days of the web

[21:30:20]

sphery:

with javascript breaking things up

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nutron:

sphery: I've used tk, but... i'm b___s deep into this perl

[21:31:03]

wagnerrp:

to keep server loads down? one image pull rather than several?

[21:31:06]

sphery:

anyone know what the name of that technique is so I can search for info on it/

[21:31:12]

sphery:

yeah, that was the theory

[21:32:27]

sphery:

"image strips"?

[21:33:34]

Peitolm:

has anyone tried mythbackend on solaris or opensolaris yet?

[21:33:36]

AndyCap:

javascript breaking an image into multiple pieces? who did this?

[21:33:37]

sphery:

wow, this tk is nothing like any language I've used... It's all Greek to me.

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sphery:

AndyCap: search for "image strips javascript" and you'll see :)

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: works just fine, if a bit pointless

[21:34:13]

wagnerrp:

sphery: tk is just a widget library

[21:34:24]

sphery:

tcl the language?

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wagnerrp:

usually used by tcl, the scripting language

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know what this 'wish' is

[21:34:35]

wagnerrp:

never heard of that

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sphery:

wish I knew

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sphery:

:)

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AndyCap:

tcl/tk interpreter

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sphery:

http://www.astro.princeton.edu/~rhl/Tcl-Tk_docs/tk/wish.1.html

[21:35:11]

sphery:

wish – Simple windowing shell

[21:35:25]

johnnyj:

observe as sphery attempts to pawn more work off on the willing

[21:35:48]

sphery:

I've found that if I look clueless enough, people tend to take on tasks out of pity.

[21:35:55]

sphery:

happens all the time--even when I'm not trying.

[21:36:16]

johnnyj:

i think i get what you're saying

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sphery:

figured if we had a single image and a single script to download, it could go on the wiki and be easy enough for users to get

[21:36:38]

Peitolm:

wagnerrp: not really pointless if wake-on-lan works, I have a solaris box with lots of storage and want to shutdown my recorders when they aren't doing anything

[21:37:12]

wagnerrp:

Peitolm: pointless because solaris has even less support for capture hardware than freebsd

[21:37:25]

wagnerrp:

and tunerless backends are not officially supported

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sphery:

not to mention, what part of that would even require a backend

[21:37:33]

Peitolm:

wagnerrp: hence the 'backend without tuner'

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sphery:

just use the storage

[21:37:37]

sphery:

and wol

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johnnyj:

"tunerless backend" is the word of the day

[21:37:54]

sphery:

tunerless backend is just mythjobqueue

[21:37:55]

wagnerrp:

s/word/phrase/

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Peitolm:

sphery: my wife and I use mythweb all the time

[21:38:08]

sphery:

so, what would this solaris box do for you?

[21:38:14]

sphery:

why do you need a backend on it?

[21:38:26]

johnnyj:

besides be heavy and loud

[21:38:33]

wagnerrp:

mythweb doesnt like running without having an active backend

[21:38:33]

sphery:

backends record videos

[21:38:49]

johnnyj:

or download icons!!

[21:38:49]

Peitolm:

hold all the recordings, handle the scheduling, mythweb, transcoding and streaming, wake up the recording backends when there's something to record

[21:38:53]

sphery:

but he'll need a backend with a working capture card, right?

[21:38:56]

Peitolm:

ie, be the master

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: correct, tunerless masters are not supported

[21:39:21]

wagnerrp:

and tunerless slaves are even more pointless

[21:39:23]

sphery:

so the solaris box /doesn't/ shut down, so that's why you think it would be a useful master backend?

[21:39:24]

Peitolm:

hence the previous question about it still being a requirement

[21:39:29]

johnnyj:

nutron: nuvexport has issues, i've been told

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Peitolm:

sphery: indeed

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sphery:

and all your real computers running GNU/Linux shut down?

[21:39:48]

Peitolm:

sphery: it also hosts all our email, calendar, NAS etc

[21:39:57]

sphery:

please don't tell Larry I said that... He might get mad and charge $90 for the ODF plugin.

[21:39:59]

Peitolm:

sphery: the solaris box is x86

[21:40:07]

** wagnerrp says this as he runs a tunerless master on freebsd **

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AndyCap:

sphery: nah, he'll charge you $1 each time you say mysql

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wagnerrp:

solaris actually runs on x86?

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** Peitolm tries to work out why his backend is now saying '2010-04–21 22:31:25.416 Unknown xmltv channel identifier: channel5.co.uk – Skipping channel.' **

[21:40:50]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: define runs. :P

[21:40:56]

wagnerrp:

i thought they made the jump from spark straight to amd64

[21:40:56]

Peitolm:

wagnerrp: yes, has done since sol 6

[21:41:07]

Peitolm:

or was it 7

[21:41:13]

Peitolm:

one of the two

[21:41:20]

Peitolm:

but i'm technically running opensolars

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sphery:

Didn't they kill Solaris/x86?

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Peitolm:

sphery: nope

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wagnerrp:

opensolaris currently has an unknown future

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Peitolm:

sphery: it's what powers their current storage line

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AndyCap:

sphery: neglect wasn't enough

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sphery:

or maybe just (effectively) killed the community version (by refusing to provide information the devs needed)?

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Peitolm:

wagnerrp: it's open, it's not going anywhere

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wagnerrp:

Peitolm: im certain theyre not running x86 on their storage line

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Peitolm:

and you can buy support for it from larry

[21:42:22]

wagnerrp:

x86_64, sure... but x86 would be retarded

[21:42:28]

Peitolm:

wagnerrp: the X4500 aka sun thumper is x86

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stuartm:

Peitolm: does channel5.co.uk appear in your xmltv config?

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wagnerrp:

no, its x86_64

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Peitolm:

o.k. by x86 I mean x86_64

[21:42:50]

Peitolm:

as opposed to ultrasparc

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wagnerrp:

that was my original question

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think they ever supported the 32-bit x86 line

[21:43:07]

Peitolm:

but yes, you can also run on x86

[21:43:20]

Peitolm:

i had it on my p3 a long time back

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johnnyj:

nutron: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2010-04-21:12:40:33

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sphery:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1599 . . . t-sun-source is what I was thinking

[21:43:54]

Peitolm:

Satellite.xmltv:channel channel5.co.uk

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sphery:

kind of like charging $90 for the ODF plugin for MS Office

[21:44:18]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i read something like that a couple weeks back

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: there's been slowlaris code for *86 a long time. but supported and runs are such loaded words

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Peitolm:

sphery: you believe what theinquier say?

[21:45:30]

Peitolm:

solaris 10 has changed licensing model, opensolaris is still available

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sphery:

Inquiring minds want to know@!

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sphery:

seems both of my pinkies are fat

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Peitolm:

?

[21:46:43]

sphery:

the extra keys they're hitting (@)

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johnnyj:

sphery: well don't stare

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sphery:

heh

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Peitolm:

oh right

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sphery:

heh, this is a cool remote

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sphery:

could use some serious beautification, though

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wagnerrp:

what do you expect, its like 50 lines long

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sphery:

and simple, too

[21:52:43]

sphery:

I meant beautification of the images

[21:52:46]

sphery:

they're very ugly

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sphery:

pixmaps

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johnnyj:

don't stare

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sphery:

http://members1.chello.nl/~j.nijtmans/img.html , unfortunately a 3rd party package

[21:53:53]

sphery:

don't think it would allow strips, though

[21:54:29]

nutron:

sphery: while I could google and find out... is this remote part of myth? or a contrib project?

[21:54:37]

wagnerrp:

its in contrib

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sphery:

I hope it will soon become part of the wiki

[21:55:41]

sphery:

just figure making users download 15 bitmaps and copy/paste a script is a bit too much

[21:56:11]

sphery:

nutron: so, given a line: button .esc -image [image create bitmap -file "$pix/esc.xbm"] -command "push escape"

[21:56:27]

sphery:

nutron: do you know of a way I could tell it to use a file /and/ only use part of the image?

[21:57:58]

sphery:

where I'd be taking a square out of a strip like at http://www.axialis.com/tutorials/image-strip.html

[21:58:35]

sphery:

image create bitmap -data [xbmdata 5 4,14,31]] ... interesting

[21:58:40]

nutron:

sphery: hmm nope, I've never had to take part of an image... wonder if imagemagick can be called

[21:58:54]

johnnyj:

that's what we used in php

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johnnyj:

doesn't sound very light weight though

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nutron:

no it's not light weight

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nutron:

http://www.telemedia.ch/publ/myth-telnet.html

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nutron:

is that similar?

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sphery:

similar but prettier

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sphery:

liekly not as lightweight

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sphery:

both use the telnet interface

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sphery:

since xbm is so simplistic, I should be able to do this myself

[22:03:12]

johnnyj:

ugh – I need a tshirt that tells my boss I'd rather be working on myth

[22:03:21]

sphery:

since [image create bitmap -data [...]] is possible

[22:05:49]

nutron:

well... hmm I was just gonna bust out into a "why not just write one for gtk/qt and replace it" but nvm... everyone's got enough to do :)

[22:06:33]

johnnyj:

sphery: where is this supposed to be going in ?

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nutron:

johnnyj: I just boought some crazy t-shirts... can't wear them at work, since I have to be proper ... people look up to me... and I have no idea if "Smile if you're gay" would be appropriate attire to wear in meetings etc...

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sphery:

johnnyj: going in?

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nutron:

everyone smiles at me it's just so damned funny

[22:07:27]

johnnyj:

sphery: where are you wanting to put this?

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sphery:

into the wiki... I'll make a page for it and put it in the Category:Scripts section

[22:08:11]

sphery:

if you mean the edited single-script/single-image remote

[22:08:28]

johnnyj:

i'm lost

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sphery:

I don't know what you're asking about

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sphery:

basically, I've been moving all the scripts from contrib into http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts

[22:09:11]

johnnyj:

I missed the 1st part about what functionality this is going to replace in what lib or moduile

[22:09:36]

sphery:

just moving http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tkmythremote to the wiki

[22:09:52]

sphery:

getting it out of SVN and where people can improveit

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wagnerrp:

nutron: theres a whole series of stuff that uses it.... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket#Used_By

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johnnyj:

oh – you're not kdding – /usr/bin/wish

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johnnyj:

is this an onscreen remote in Tk code that uses the telnet control socket?

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nutron:

wagnerrp: I didn't ask? did I?

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nutron:

wagnerrp: oh I see, yeah there are many other remotes available on that page.

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Peitolm:

woooooo

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Peitolm:

sphery & wagnerrp thanks for your help, finally got it working

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SirColin:

I have a Tiny little Problem that i would like to get sorted out, when i run a myth user job the task completes but stays Red in the job que, although it has encoded the tv show to xvid and dumped it into /media1500gb/export/

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sphery:

SirColin: think you need to upgrade to a newer version of 0.23-fixes

[22:28:17]

SirColin:

ok. quick rely (OMG) how would i do that ?

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sphery:

maybe not

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sphery:

I thought there was a fix for the job queue, but I don't see it

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SirColin:

oh. is there any work arounds for this Problem ? is it a known problem then ?

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Peitolm:

sphery: 0.23-fixes? i thought 0.23 was still in rc stage

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Peitolm:

right, time to call it a night,

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bkupbk:

I'm doing something wrong, I've setup my tuner, deleted my old video sources, created a new one with "no grabber", linked my tuners to the video source, scanned channels, then edited the channels with correct xml channel id, then imported my data (mythfilldatabase --file 1 xmltv.xml) but I get duplicates of channels and my listing is empty

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bkupbk:

can anyone tell me what I might be doing wrong?

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sphery:

bkupbk: sounds like your video source isn't #1

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sphery:

bkupbk: use this to delete what you now have, then reconfigure as above: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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bkupbk:

sphery, I did that, deleted all sources, then recreated (three times now. =)

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bkupbk:

sphery, after I do the scan, my channels show up in channel editor, I edit them to match xmltv id, and then exit. Run mythfilldatabase ..., and then look and there are two copies of my channels, one without freq/channel numbers, and the ones I added.

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sphery:

bkupbk: did you use "Delete all video sources"? If not, your source ID's weren't reset

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bkupbk:

sphery, yes, I did.

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bkupbk:

sphery, even verified by going to channel editor and see that all channels are gone. I also have to re-attach my video source to each tuner

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sphery:

then that means your xmltvid's aren't right, probably

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sphery:

but if you just hit delete on each video source, it will /not/ properly reset things

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sphery:

you have to use Delete all video sources

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bkupbk:

sphery, yep, using (delete all video sources), not select/delete

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bkupbk:

sphery, do I need to exit after I delete them all?

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bkupbk:

while I'm at it, is there a way to change the backend setup theme? I can hardly read the light gray text on light tan background

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup -O Theme=Arclight

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bkupbk:

iamlindoro, thanks

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iamlindoro:

(depending on your version)

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iamlindoro:

if .23, above will work

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wagnerrp:

bkupbk: alternatively it will simply use whatever theme you specify in the frontend on that host

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jst:

Would running a 0.23 frontend work with a 0.22 backend?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has never been backwards compatible in that way

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wagnerrp:

and likely never will be

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jst:

Okay, thanks.

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bkupbk:

wagnerrp, don't have a FE on my BE.

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wagnerrp:

bkupbk: yes you do, you just dont use it

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wagnerrp:

you dont run it, but that doesnt mean it isnt installed

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bkupbk:

wagnerrp, I don't see to, mythfrontend is missing

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wagnerrp:

then you havent installed from source, and your package manager decided to simply not include the frontend binary after going through the trouble to build it

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sphery:

though some stup^H^H^H^Hdistros make packages such that you can install backend without frontend and vice versa

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well doing so lets you get by with an extremely reduced dependency set

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bkupbk:

sphery, thanks for your tip, I did have my xmltv id's wrong, funny how two missing to characters makes a difference. :)

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bkupbk:

all working now

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what kind of differences in dependencies?

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sphery:

wouldn't that just be a few tiny packages like lame and stuff?

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wagnerrp:

all the audio stuff, a full X server (instead of just the libs)

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sphery:

isn't an X server about 2MB (stripped) after the libs? maybe a few more MB for utils/data, but not that big, right?

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sphery:

anyway, I don't really get the idea of making your life harder to save a few MB

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sphery:

(on disk, especially)

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wagnerrp:

dont know to be honest, i just know that after Xorg went moduler, its like 150+ individual packages

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bkupbk:

is there a global setting that would make myth record x, mins before, and y mins after a show?

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sphery:

yeah, tons of packages, but they're all pretty tiny

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i was discussing with RDV_Linux whats going on with contrib

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sphery:

yeah, I plan to leave Miro

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wagnerrp:

have you come up with any thoughts of what to do with stuff like mirobridge?

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sphery:

MiroBridge, I should say

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wagnerrp:

well it obviously wouldnt go onto the wiki

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wagnerrp:

so it would have to stay in contrib, until there was another solution

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sphery:

I'm leaving that mainly to iamlindoro/RDV_Linux/you/<whatever interested party>

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sphery:

that = MiroBridge

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wagnerrp:

i guess anything still being actively maintained as it is isnt a problem

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sphery:

more than anything it's the little things that aren't properly supported that are annoying

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sphery:

right

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nutron:

can i /m u sphery ?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: With Mythbuntu they put all contrib into a documentation directory and MiroBridge runs right from that contrib directory.

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sphery:

and since that's not a huge drain on "uninterested-developer" time, it's not a problem leaving it in contrib

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sphery:

nutron: sure...

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sphery:

or TCL or wish or something like that

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sphery:

(the script is called tkmythremote, that's pretty much all I know)

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sphery:

I found vim to be the perfect editor for making my image strip :)

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sphery:

now I just need to read the contents of a file into a variable or something, then be able to extract the data I want from it--I know which data I want, just don't know how to do that in the language

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wagnerrp:

just dont make it a script

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wagnerrp:

add binary copies of each image to their own variable in the main script

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wagnerrp:

no splitting necessary, and a single file

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wagnerrp:

but the widget library may have to read from a file

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sphery:

could do that... just figured that having a separate image file that people could edit with gimp or whatever would be easier...

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wagnerrp:

whats this? a script on the wiki with the database connection hard coded?

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sphery:

heh

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fixxxermet:

Could someone post me a working minimyth.conf file? I have MM booted and connected to the backend but my mythvideo plugin doesn't seem to be working

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wagnerrp:

i can make it better, stronger, slitherererer

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nutron:

sphery: nvm, the wiki basically answered me :P

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