| Tuesday, April 20th, 2010, 00:06 UTC | ||
| [00:06:33] | squish102: | dunno what timewarner did with the lineup :( it has all changed, and i have no idea where to start :( |
| [00:06:39] | squish102: | maybe google |
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| [00:07:57] | squish102: | for time warner cable and a hdhomerun, should i be scanning us-cable, us-hrc or us-irc? |
| [00:08:33] | sphery: | depends on your cable provider, but most likely us-cable |
| [00:09:45] | sphery: | (I realize you mentioned your cable provider, but by that I meant I have no idea what your cable provider uses :) |
| [00:10:05] | squish102: | does it matter if i tell it to scan all 3? |
| [00:10:34] | sphery: | scan us-cable and if it gets your channels, you're good |
| [00:10:40] | sphery: | if not, use us-cable-hrc |
| [00:10:43] | sphery: | ... |
| [00:10:59] | squish102: | because it doesn't look like it is finding any of the clear-qam |
| [00:11:22] | squish102: | the "channel" number on the cable providers dvr is 1010 |
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| [00:27:29] | sphery: | squish102: you are letting it run to completion, right? |
| [00:27:34] | sphery: | and doing a full scan, right? |
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| [00:34:08] | Jester05: | mmmm steak |
| [00:34:21] | Jester05: | things sure seem to have quieted down in here :-\ |
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| [00:50:20] | npm: | squish102: I too have problems w/ TimeWarnerCable and schedulesdirect ( [schedulesdirect.org #6323] ) |
| [00:51:12] | npm: | basically, many digital cable channel numbers are wrong |
| [00:51:41] | npm: | e.g. KQED at 551 isn't even listed, but claims it's "E!" |
| [00:51:53] | wagnerrp: | so? those numbers are meaningless |
| [00:52:21] | npm: | so does that mean i have to correct them all by hand after doing a scan? |
| [00:52:21] | wagnerrp: | nevermind... im thinking from a digital tuner standpoint |
| [00:52:28] | wagnerrp: | if youre using a STB, theyre important |
| [00:52:34] | npm: | not using STB |
| [00:52:50] | wagnerrp: | if youre not using a STB, those numbers are meaningless |
| [00:53:06] | npm: | so what's the trick to getting the channels right? |
| [00:53:07] | wagnerrp: | all you care about is the XMLTV ID |
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| [00:57:53] | npm: | so i have to follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_IDA and enter id's manually?? |
| [00:58:17] | wagnerrp: | when you scan, your cableco may provide some channels names, or they may not |
| [00:58:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will try to automatically match up what names it can to the channels on SD |
| [00:58:43] | wagnerrp: | and everything else, you have to go into the channel editor and manually enter them |
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| [01:00:01] | npm: | unfortunately, the channel editor locks the gui on my version of myth ( mythtv-0.22–6.fc12.x86_64 ) |
| [01:00:11] | iamlindoro: | There are three channel editors |
| [01:00:14] | iamlindoro: | Use another one |
| [01:00:19] | npm: | so i have to do it in the setup |
| [01:00:20] | iamlindoro: | Mythweb, live TV, mythtv-setup |
| [01:00:39] | iamlindoro: | laternatively, use another playback profile which seems to fix it for those who have issues with the live one |
| [01:00:58] | iamlindoro: | mythweb probably being the easiest since you can do all of them in one form |
| [01:01:07] | npm: | oh, forgot about that one! |
| [01:01:16] | npm: | thx for the suggest |
| [01:01:24] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [01:06:56] | elprespufferfish: | Hi, my mythvideo is showing a lot of doubles all of a sudden |
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| [01:32:23] | squish102: | npm, yip i'm with you... going to see if i can figure out xmltvid's |
| [01:33:07] | squish102: | but i think the cableco is not helping out much, they dont seem to have any identifying thing |
| [01:33:24] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt expect them to |
| [01:33:38] | wagnerrp: | they have their own separate channels for providing that data to their boxes |
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| [01:35:08] | nichos: | hi all, im following the digital sound wiki and I'm able to get digital sound, but not dolby (I had it working once), I've tried the: ALSA:iec958:CARD=Intel,DEV=0,AES0=0x02,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x00,AES3=0x02 string, but get loud static, any pointers? |
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| [01:37:37] | nichos: | also, a lot of FAQ's say there's this option: "Enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough" and I don't see it anywhere |
| [01:40:31] | wagnerrp: | are you using 0.23? |
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| [01:43:03] | nichos: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:43:24] | wagnerrp: | audio has changed completely in 0.23, the mythtv part of that howto is no longer valid |
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| [01:43:43] | nichos: | oh!:) |
| [01:43:48] | nichos: | do we have an updated one? |
| [01:43:58] | wagnerrp: | no one has updated it yet |
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| [01:44:12] | nichos: | well, I if ever figure this out..... |
| [01:44:32] | nichos: | i wouldn't mind keeping it on just digital, but there's a "tinny" type sound at higher voumes |
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| [01:48:24] | iamlindoro: | So... SyFy made *another* horrible Riverworld miniseries? |
| [01:48:29] | iamlindoro: | Wasn't it bad enough last time? |
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| [02:00:29] | mag0o: | i can't figure out why i've started watching castle... |
| [02:00:49] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [02:00:51] | mag0o: | i think im too lazy to change the channel |
| [02:01:15] | wagnerrp: | change the channel? what are you talking about? |
| [02:01:31] | wagnerrp: | you mean stop playback, and watch another recording? |
| [02:01:51] | mag0o: | hehe, this is really live tv |
| [02:01:55] | mag0o: | no myth involved :) |
| [02:02:05] | nichos: | the only time i get the dolby working (according to my stereo) I get no sound |
| [02:02:14] | nichos: | but the receiver says it's a dolby signal |
| [02:02:28] | ** mag0o swaps back over to 120 (history – pawn stars) ** | |
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| [02:03:45] | wagnerrp: | x264 didnt much like masters of the universe |
| [02:04:09] | wagnerrp: | ballooned to 2.75GB for the video alone (from 3.8GB of mpeg2) |
| [02:07:01] | nichos: | basically, when i turn on dolby, I get no audio, but the reciever says it's getting a dolby signal |
| [02:08:41] | nichos: | only dolby, not DTS |
| [02:15:11] | nichos: | hazaaa! i got it! |
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| [02:16:21] | nichos: | if anyone has this issue: i needed to press the "red buttons" above the 958 slider in alsamixergui (not present in just alsamixer) |
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| [02:16:53] | iamlindoro: | Sure about that? That's the "MM" in alsamixer, I believe |
| [02:16:57] | iamlindoro: | (mute) |
| [02:17:10] | iamlindoro: | highlight the item in alsamixer, press M to mute/unmute |
| [02:19:44] | Beirdo: | sphery: I was thinking of something like github or the like for contrib stuff |
| [02:20:17] | nichos: | iamlindoro: for some reason that slider doesnt even show up in my alsamixer (non gui) |
| [02:20:42] | iamlindoro: | nichos, Did you move to the second page? |
| [02:20:49] | nichos: | i read on a msg board that if it doesnt, try alsa gui |
| [02:20:55] | nichos: | iamlindoro: i scrolled left/right |
| [02:21:10] | nichos: | same thing? |
| [02:21:23] | iamlindoro: | not exactly |
| [02:21:30] | iamlindoro: | never mind, not worth splitting hairs |
| [02:21:37] | nichos: | well now im curious |
| [02:22:11] | nichos: | P/N is previous & next |
| [02:22:22] | nichos: | pg up/down change the slider level |
| [02:25:01] | nichos: | ah don't worry about it:) |
| [02:26:38] | sphery: | Beirdo: any thoughts on managing access/permissions? |
| [02:26:53] | Beirdo: | not off-hand |
| [02:27:57] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [02:29:25] | Beirdo: | I'll have to think it all through again :) |
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| [02:29:45] | markl_: | how's it going? |
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| [02:30:15] | Beirdo: | first day of work went pretty well |
| [02:32:19] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah... not really your responsibility, but I thought you seemed to have a better plan than I did |
| [02:32:27] | sphery: | I'll keep thinking |
| [02:32:36] | Beirdo: | I will too :) |
| [02:32:50] | Beirdo: | with a bunch of us thinking, we'll come up with something usable |
| [02:32:57] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:33:17] | sphery: | even the stuff on the wiki has the issue that random people could edit it and make scripts that do bad things |
| [02:33:32] | wagnerrp: | is that really a problem? |
| [02:33:37] | sphery: | hasn't been |
| [02:33:38] | wagnerrp: | you can just revert it and ban them |
| [02:33:45] | wagnerrp: | no different from any other page |
| [02:33:54] | sphery: | right... but that presumes we catch it before someone runs the bad script :) |
| [02:34:02] | Beirdo: | I'd rather see real version control, not wiki |
| [02:34:08] | sphery: | would be nice |
| [02:34:17] | wagnerrp: | although i will agree that this is not something wikimedia was really designed for |
| [02:34:24] | wagnerrp: | mediawiki |
| [02:35:01] | sphery: | version control with some create-an-account-with-e-mail-authentication authorization involved |
| [02:35:08] | sphery: | that would be nice |
| [02:35:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [02:35:23] | Beirdo: | that's almost sourceforge material |
| [02:35:30] | Beirdo: | but that's a bit overkill |
| [02:35:34] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:35:58] | wagnerrp: | maybe something that anyone could edit, but would show up as 'unstable' until a dev confirms it? |
| [02:35:59] | sphery: | and I think sf requires people to give permissions to the repo\ |
| [02:36:15] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah |
| [02:36:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that might work |
| [02:36:42] | wagnerrp: | perhaps lock those pages, but allow other users to work on an unstable copy on the talk page? |
| [02:36:49] | markl_: | is anyone able to help me figure out why it takes so long for mythbackend to respond to a mythweb request? i am doing: wget http://localhost/mythweb/status |
| [02:37:02] | markl_: | the system is at like .1 load avg, and this request takes like 5 minutes |
| [02:37:13] | sphery: | is it possible with mediawiki to allow only specific users edit access to pages without setting up groups/roles for each one? |
| [02:37:14] | wagnerrp: | once a dev confirms it, they move it to the main page |
| [02:37:22] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: that's why I say github, in a way. people can make as many forks as they want |
| [02:37:26] | sphery: | markl_: running a long-running miscellaneous status info script? |
| [02:37:35] | sphery: | and how long is "so long" |
| [02:37:51] | sphery: | Beirdo: that sounds cool |
| [02:38:01] | sphery: | forkin' cool :) |
| [02:38:31] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [02:38:35] | markl_: | i started it about 3 minutes ago with "time" |
| [02:38:48] | markl_: | i would expect status to usually come back instantly |
| [02:39:09] | markl_: | and if not, for the disk/cpu/database to show some activity |
| [02:40:01] | markl_: | real 4m0.630s |
| [02:40:19] | sphery: | anything in backend logs? |
| [02:41:07] | markl_: | 2010-04–19 00:00:39.657 MythSocket(ffffffffade00848:25): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms. |
| [02:41:10] | markl_: | QMutex::unlock: mutex lock failure: |
| [02:41:13] | nichos: | ok, 1 more newb question, when I reboot the front end won't work, unless i run mythsetup first, exit, and do the fill database. how can i automate that? when i sudo mythfilldatabase, it doesn't cure it |
| [02:41:19] | markl_: | at midnight |
| [02:41:21] | sphery: | markl_: trunk? |
| [02:41:32] | wagnerrp: | nichos: mythbuntu? |
| [02:41:38] | nichos: | yep:) |
| [02:41:54] | sphery: | don't do the filldatabase each time |
| [02:41:59] | markl_: | 0.23.0+fixes24177–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1 |
| [02:42:01] | wagnerrp: | when you run mythtv-setup on mythbuntu, it automatically stops the backend |
| [02:42:03] | sphery: | chances are you've just got a broken config.xml/mysql.txt |
| [02:42:08] | sphery: | or that... |
| [02:42:10] | wagnerrp: | whatever is going wrong, you have to restart the backend |
| [02:42:13] | sphery: | restarts mythbackend... |
| [02:42:18] | wagnerrp: | running mythtv-setup and mythfilldatabase does nothing |
| [02:42:27] | nichos: | so that's what i need to do, restart backed |
| [02:42:36] | wagnerrp: | but the question is why |
| [02:42:36] | sphery: | first rule of #mythtv-users, always listen to wagnerrp over sphery |
| [02:42:43] | nichos: | lol |
| [02:42:51] | wagnerrp: | nah, i get stuff wrong often enough too |
| [02:43:03] | wagnerrp: | often find iamlindoro correcting me |
| [02:43:19] | markl_: | heh |
| [02:43:25] | nichos: | so you claim i can run the setup, quit it and say NO to the fill database, and it should work huh? |
| [02:43:32] | wagnerrp: | are you watching livetv, and hard reset your frontend? |
| [02:43:33] | iamlindoro: | We're all wrong sometimes, self especially |
| [02:43:45] | markl_: | i thought i was wrong once |
| [02:43:48] | markl_: | but i was wrong |
| [02:44:06] | nichos: | its right after reboot, i go to watch live |
| [02:44:17] | nichos: | then i quite frontend via the menu and launch setup |
| [02:44:25] | nichos: | quite==quit |
| [02:44:25] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a startup timing issue |
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| [02:44:34] | iamlindoro: | do you have an HDHomeRun? |
| [02:44:56] | wagnerrp: | if so, the backend could be coming online before the network |
| [02:44:58] | nichos: | no HVR-2250 |
| [02:45:11] | markl_: | how long should a --resched take? |
| [02:45:14] | wagnerrp: | the backend and frontend are both on that machine? |
| [02:45:19] | iamlindoro: | nichos, Then it's probably MBE coming up before network or some such |
| [02:45:20] | wagnerrp: | markl_: few seconds at the most |
| [02:45:38] | markl_: | it was pretty much instant |
| [02:45:48] | iamlindoro: | or mysql, or... |
| [02:45:59] | nichos: | can i just put sleep in init.d or something? |
| [02:46:02] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to the "joy" of distro's push for instant-on computing |
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| [02:46:06] | wagnerrp: | markl_: mine take well under a second |
| [02:46:27] | markl_: | ok, that didn't help with the status performance issue |
| [02:46:27] | wagnerrp: | markl_: it all depends on your CPU, number of channels, and number of recording rules |
| [02:46:56] | markl_: | maybe i need to just blow away the db and start over |
| [02:48:04] | markl_: | on 24 seconds this time, amazing |
| [02:48:15] | markl_: | i feel like i'm driving a ferrari |
| [02:49:56] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, The *blatant* product placement/mention in Pawn Stars is getting old |
| [02:50:26] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, "I have to buy lunch? What, subs?" "Yeah, some delicious Subway sounds good." |
| [02:51:27] | sphery: | hey, don't knock Subway--they kept Chuck on air |
| [02:52:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery, And we had to suffer through the "Subway Mediation" |
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| [02:52:25] | markl_: | subway deserves support for sticking by michael phelps |
| [02:52:29] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [02:52:42] | wagnerrp: | i seem to recall them doing product placement all the way back on wayne's world |
| [02:52:58] | sphery: | the mediation was the episode where they had to eat the huge sub right? |
| [02:53:00] | iamlindoro: | At least in the SNL movies it was done with a sarcastic wink-nudge |
| [02:53:16] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Where Casey had to apologize to Jeff and Lester over Subway |
| [02:53:56] | wagnerrp: | i didnt even know that was a subway |
| [02:54:20] | wagnerrp: | nor did it make me at all hungry for a sub |
| [02:54:25] | markl_: | if i want to start over, do i just run the mc.sql and set the mysql password? |
| [02:54:30] | iamlindoro: | they mentioned it by name a number of times |
| [02:54:31] | markl_: | and then do the mythtv-setup? |
| [02:54:41] | iamlindoro: | maybe I'm just irritated by it after all the Heroes the past few years |
| [02:54:53] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, it made me not want to eat anything |
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| [02:55:45] | mag0o: | yeah iamlindoro, product placement is going overboard |
| [02:56:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ah, that's this season? I haven't watched that, yet... I thought you meant the Jeff and assistant manager contest thing. |
| [02:56:11] | mag0o: | at least he didn't say he was getting '5, 5 dollar, 5 dollar footlongs' |
| [02:56:15] | wagnerrp: | hey everyone, look at the Nissan Ugly, that doesnt run! |
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| [03:05:53] | nichos: | you guys were right, if i reboot and just stop & restart mythbackend it works. This a network problem? |
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| [03:07:16] | kc: | nichos: I have 2 2250's and I noticed that the firmware download causes the cards to not be ready until after the backend is up. This requires me to restart the backend. |
| [03:07:34] | kc: | Sometimes one card is up in time, sometimes not |
| [03:07:55] | nichos: | kc: (the cards are great, aren't they?) any way to automate that? My g/f isn't too crazy about the terminal |
| [03:08:17] | nichos: | maybe i can add a restart in my openbox login or something |
| [03:08:33] | kc: | I did not look into the issue too much, since I rarely restart. |
| [03:09:20] | nichos: | nor do i, but if I'm not home and she needs to reboot it she'll need to have in come up without the keyboard |
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| [03:10:35] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [03:10:43] | Beirdo: | where to look for my wine recipes |
| [03:13:20] | markl_: | hmm what is the deal with storage groups in 0.23, is it easy to just make it work like 0.21? |
| [03:13:38] | [R]: | i havnet noticed any differnece |
| [03:13:42] | [R]: | what do you mean "the deal"? |
| [03:14:02] | wagnerrp: | markl_: the old local file access still works just fine in mythvideo 0.23 |
| [03:14:20] | wagnerrp: | but if youre not using ISOs, storage groups are preferred |
| [03:16:24] | nichos: | thanks to everyone for their help tonight |
| [03:17:05] | sphery: | to make it work like 0.21, don't upgrade to 0.23 |
| [03:17:21] | sphery: | if you're not willing to take the time to learn about new features/changes, you shouldn't be upgrading |
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| [03:20:25] | kc: | Day late and a dollar short. I found something that could have helped nichos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345079 |
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| [03:57:07] | MonkSix: | Anyone here using a server / pxe boot client(s) setup? |
| [03:59:10] | [R]: | i do |
| [03:59:12] | [R]: | but i dont use pxe |
| [03:59:16] | [R]: | i used to |
| [03:59:22] | [R]: | but its too ugly for my tastes |
| [03:59:45] | MonkSix: | ugly how? |
| [03:59:52] | MonkSix: | if you don't mind explaining.. |
| [04:00:12] | [R]: | when my box is pxe booting... it displays this stupid text |
| [04:00:15] | [R]: | that i don't like |
| [04:00:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | MonkSix, all my frontends and slave backends PXE boot. |
| [04:00:21] | MonkSix: | ahh...gotcha |
| [04:00:29] | [R]: | i just have a usb stick with extlinux and my kernel and ramdisk on it |
| [04:00:40] | [R]: | right now i just have 1 extliniux line... my long term goal is to get a splash going on that one |
| [04:00:51] | MonkSix: | rgr |
| [04:00:56] | [R]: | 1 text line from extlinux* |
| [04:01:36] | [R]: | oh... and another long term goal is to live on a cloud of gumdrops and get nouveau to play nicely with the closed source nvidia driver... but thats never gonna happen |
| [04:01:38] | MonkSix: | I've never used Myth (or any pvr/htpc setup for that matter) was reading about MythTV and it sounded interesting... |
| [04:01:54] | MonkSix: | haha...one can dream.. |
| [04:02:34] | MonkSix: | Captain_Murdoch, was it very difficult to get that all working? |
| [04:03:30] | [R]: | MonkSix: mythubuntu makes it stupid simple |
| [04:03:51] | MonkSix: | ok...that was gonna be my next question...what distro are ppl using... |
| [04:03:58] | MonkSix: | mythbuntu seems really easy.. |
| [04:04:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | depends on what you want to use it for. I use a single NFS root image and a custom script to let me share it between the 5–6 clients. |
| [04:04:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, better stickingwith a distro thatsupports it if you can since you're new to it. |
| [04:04:59] | ** Captain_Murdoch has to get his space bar fixed on this laptop he uses as a thin client. ** | |
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| [04:06:45] | MonkSix: | I'm looking to use it less as a PVR and more as a media repo for my music/movies |
| [04:07:06] | MonkSix: | but I could definitely see myself using the PVR functionality while I'm at it :) |
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| [04:15:32] | wagnerrp: | bleh... he left |
| [04:15:52] | wagnerrp: | [R]: for future reference, 10.04 will make that stupid simple |
| [04:16:10] | wagnerrp: | the last time mythbuntu's LTS setup was updated was 8.04 |
| [04:16:52] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [04:17:35] | wagnerrp: | not LTS... what am i thinking of |
| [04:17:45] | wagnerrp: | TSP |
| [04:18:26] | [R]: | it seemed the same in 9.10 as it is in 10.04 |
| [04:18:46] | [R]: | anyway... in myth 0.22 i could put themes in ~/.mythtv/themes and everyhting was happy, in 0.23 it doesn't like it |
| [04:18:57] | wagnerrp: | i could be wrong about that |
| [04:19:02] | wagnerrp: | but i remember someone talking about it a while back |
| [04:19:02] | [R]: | the main theme is ok, but the name shows up blank in the theme setting window... it just does not like it for the osd at all |
| [04:19:24] | [R]: | was there some kind of change in that code do yuou know? |
| [04:19:38] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of, i didnt even know you could put stuff in there |
| [04:19:41] | wagnerrp: | ive always put it in share |
| [04:20:15] | [R]: | i'll have to do debugging one of these days |
| [04:20:25] | [R]: | right now my project is getting a splash for extlinux |
| [04:20:56] | [R]: | its mind boggling how little documentation i'm finding |
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| [04:22:01] | wagnerrp: | why not just use grub? |
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| [04:22:18] | wagnerrp: | you want a more complex menu? |
| [04:22:39] | [R]: | i want just a simple splash |
| [04:22:44] | [R]: | i'm not using grub because its too complciated |
| [04:23:05] | wagnerrp: | generally one would claim the opposite |
| [04:23:22] | [R]: | extlinux is dead simple |
| [04:24:44] | wagnerrp: | ive only use pxelinux |
| [04:25:05] | wagnerrp: | i just figured generally you only used those if you needed to do something more complex than grub/lilo could handle |
| [04:25:39] | markl_: | mythtv thinks i have 3 encoders when i only set up one hdhr (2 tuners) |
| [04:25:39] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that family of programs uses a special compiled menu program |
| [04:25:53] | wagnerrp: | markl_: you set one of those up to have two virtual tuners |
| [04:26:03] | [R]: | wagnerrp: yeah... it'll be a fun exersize |
| [04:26:36] | wagnerrp: | i just have a cheap white text in a blue box on black background that i found... somewhere |
| [04:26:41] | wagnerrp: | maybe it came with the program |
| [04:26:50] | [R]: | i dont want a menu |
| [04:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i know ubuntu has their own custom skinned splash |
| [04:26:53] | [R]: | its silent right now |
| [04:26:55] | [R]: | but its boring |
| [04:26:56] | [R]: | i want a splash |
| [04:27:17] | wagnerrp: | the splash only shows up while the menu is on screen |
| [04:27:34] | markl_: | wagnerrp: ah you are a genius |
| [04:27:37] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean general linux fbsplash? |
| [04:27:41] | [R]: | no, before the kernel |
| [04:27:50] | [R]: | i want a splash while it's loading the kernel/ramdisk |
| [04:28:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont think it will do that |
| [04:28:02] | [R]: | or maybe i should just get a faster flash drive... mine seems absurdly slow |
| [04:28:12] | [R]: | it takes like 3 minutes to copy 8mb |
| [04:28:13] | [R]: | is that slow? |
| [04:28:18] | wagnerrp: | maybe you should just put it in standby... :P |
| [04:28:23] | markl_: | yes that is slow |
| [04:28:36] | [R]: | i can't, because the backend shuts down |
| [04:28:41] | [R]: | we've gone over this a few times |
| [04:28:41] | [R]: | :) |
| [04:29:14] | wagnerrp: | wire up a PIC with a timer to the mobo power button |
| [04:29:26] | [R]: | and have the pic send the WOL? |
| [04:29:34] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [04:29:36] | [R]: | haha |
| [04:29:52] | [R]: | im alreayd planning on 1 pic |
| [04:29:55] | [R]: | i dont need a second one |
| [04:30:23] | [R]: | well i guess i could do it with one... but i dont have a pic that can do networking |
| [04:31:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | no 24x7 fileserver? |
| [04:31:13] | [R]: | no, just my backend which shuts down when its idle |
| [04:32:11] | wagnerrp: | make a 24x7 file server? |
| [04:32:15] | [R]: | i dont need one |
| [04:32:40] | wagnerrp: | oh, everyone needs one |
| [04:32:45] | wagnerrp: | they just dont realize it |
| [04:32:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | make a custom initrd that is very very tiny, with just a statically compiled wakelan binary and custom init script. kernel and initrd load, wakelan wakes up the backend and waits for it to come alive, then copies the initrd off the master backend and mounts it. |
| [04:32:58] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:33:24] | [R]: | Captain_Murdoch: my initrd already sends the wol |
| [04:33:31] | [R]: | Captain_Murdoch: the problem was about having the comptuer go to sleep |
| [04:33:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | then why do you need a 8MB image just to WOL? |
| [04:33:45] | [R]: | its the stupid ubuntu crap |
| [04:33:51] | [R]: | they have the kitchen sink in there |
| [04:33:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | hence the word custom in my message. :) |
| [04:34:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | just wakelan and busybox needed. :)) |
| [04:34:10] | [R]: | well theres nothign wrong with what i have now |
| [04:34:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) even |
| [04:34:32] | [R]: | although it would be3 intersting to see how fast i could make it by stripping down the ramdisk |
| [04:34:40] | ** wagnerrp doesnt need initrds... ** | |
| [04:35:21] | [R]: | am i missing something? in apt, how do you install a .deb file with full deps? |
| [04:35:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, neither do I. :) my shared nfsroot image works great with PXE booting. |
| [04:35:47] | [R]: | i dont do PXE because its ugly when my computer is doing it |
| [04:35:55] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: technically i have one, its just compiled into the kernel |
| [04:36:46] | wagnerrp: | i need a bit of userland configuration that the basic kernel cant provide |
| [04:37:12] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [04:37:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | just to get the net up? |
| [04:37:22] | wagnerrp: | to get the root mounted |
| [04:37:27] | wagnerrp: | its over iscsi, rather than nfs |
| [04:37:32] | Beirdo: | found my old recipe databases... from RecipeCenter... |
| [04:37:33] | [R]: | i used to do nfs over wifi |
| [04:37:34] | [R]: | that was fun! |
| [04:37:42] | Beirdo: | Microsloth Access files |
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| [04:37:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, ah, forgot that. need an 'append iscsiroot=' like nfsroot= :) |
| [04:38:21] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: thats basically what the initrd provides |
| [04:38:33] | wagnerrp: | it parses out the command line to get the server and target |
| [04:38:42] | ** Captain_Murdoch just heard Beirdo volunteering to resurrect the MythRecipe idea ** | |
| [04:38:46] | wagnerrp: | then connects, mounts, and pivots |
| [04:39:07] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: hehe, if xris is up for it :) |
| [04:39:15] | wagnerrp: | you could write some grabbers for epicurious |
| [04:39:26] | Beirdo: | in particuplar I was looking for my wine recipes :) |
| [04:39:32] | Beirdo: | particular |
| [04:39:44] | wagnerrp: | wine recipe? as in for fermenting your own? |
| [04:39:49] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:40:02] | Beirdo: | Rhubarb Wine in particular was the one I wanted :) |
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| [04:40:51] | Beirdo: | xris wants me to make 5 gallons. hehe |
| [04:41:06] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of wine |
| [04:41:17] | Beirdo: | it's worth it :) |
| [04:41:30] | wagnerrp: | not much else you can do with rhubarb |
| [04:41:33] | Beirdo: | especially if it turns out as well as the 1 gallon I made before |
| [04:41:36] | Beirdo: | sure there is |
| [04:41:38] | Beirdo: | pie. |
| [04:41:40] | Beirdo: | jam |
| [04:41:44] | Beirdo: | syrup :) |
| [04:42:02] | wagnerrp: | ill admit, ive never had rhubarb... it just doesnt sound appetizing |
| [04:42:22] | Beirdo: | strawberry-rhubarb is a delicious combo |
| [04:45:00] | wagnerrp: | meh, ill stick with apple |
| [04:45:11] | Beirdo: | wuss :) |
| [04:45:32] | Beirdo: | I made apple wine oo, BTW |
| [04:45:40] | wagnerrp: | you mean cider? |
| [04:45:47] | Beirdo: | no, I mean apple wine |
| [04:46:01] | Beirdo: | as in wine made from apples, completely different from cider |
| [04:46:17] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know what makes something a 'wine' ** | |
| [04:46:43] | Beirdo: | the yeast, etc. I forget :) |
| [04:46:57] | Beirdo: | basically, cider uses a yeast that is much like beer yeasts |
| [04:47:14] | Beirdo: | I used champagne yeast, and got something about 16% alcohol. |
| [04:47:40] | wagnerrp: | all yeast is going to get you about 16% |
| [04:47:53] | wagnerrp: | thats just where it gets before it poisons itself |
| [04:48:18] | wagnerrp: | you just have to distill/dilute it from there |
| [04:48:20] | Beirdo: | no |
| [04:48:33] | Beirdo: | most cider yeasts die way earlier |
| [04:48:43] | Beirdo: | champagne yeasts top at 21% or so |
| [04:49:05] | Beirdo: | cider/beer yeasts usually top at around 10% |
| [04:49:40] | Beirdo: | f'argh |
| [04:49:56] | Beirdo: | using the latest version of RecipeCenter, I can't open the old database |
| [04:51:37] | [R]: | wtf, the president can't even open the door for herself |
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| [04:55:25] | Beirdo: | xris: 6lb of rhubarb for 1gal |
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| [05:13:21] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: your fix for #7617... does it explain the first 2 bt's? |
| [05:13:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | those are the ones complaining about host? |
| [05:13:42] | justdave: | what method is used to generate the hash that mythvideo uses? |
| [05:13:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, the group key? |
| [05:13:51] | justdave: | it doesn't look like an md5sum or a crc... |
| [05:13:58] | sphery: | yeah, group key stuff |
| [05:14:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | justdave, it's a crc on the first and last X bytes or something like that. |
| [05:14:12] | sphery: | but it was building the group key with QString::arg() |
| [05:14:13] | wagnerrp: | seems iamlindoro is getting yet more hate... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . ml#post51585 |
| [05:14:23] | Beirdo: | justdave: you take a big baggie of weed... oh wait, different hash |
| [05:14:37] | sphery: | I'm not complaining or saying we need to reopen the ticket... I'm just trying to figure it out for my own benefit. |
| [05:14:37] | justdave: | ahah, that explains the length of the hash |
| [05:14:39] | ** iamlindoro goes to look ** | |
| [05:15:04] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [05:15:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:15:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I think it may cure the issue. I have no idea what this ---> artworkHost = (*(m_progLists[groupname].begin()))->hostname; <--- will evaluate to with an empty list. |
| [05:16:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | actually, where groupname is non-empty but there are no items in the list for that group. |
| [05:16:24] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, thank you for responding |
| [05:17:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: figured i should, considering i was the first person to not spend the time to learn fedora from scratch just explain to this user how to fix their broken libraries |
| [05:17:38] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, and in fairness, I did politely ask him to seek help on the users list |
| [05:18:10] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, but the first ones weren't in that code... they were in the line QString groupKey = QString("%1:%2").arg(storage_group).arg(hostname); (granted, before it was moved around, and technically in memcpy() called by QString functions) |
| [05:18:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, right, that hostname is the artworkHost above. |
| [05:18:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | it's passed into findArtworkFile |
| [05:18:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: there, fixed |
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| [05:20:47] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: so thers's some value for a QString that a QString("%1").arg(value); will segfault? |
| [05:21:27] | sphery: | seems strange |
| [05:21:37] | sphery: | anyway, not really important as you've fixed the issue for him |
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| [05:22:02] | sphery: | I just wondered what was happening |
| [05:23:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | not sure. if we have a group with no recordings, then m_progLists[groupname] doesn't exist. in this case, I think we'd define an empty list, and do a .begin() on it which would return the same as .end(); when we dereference that as a ProgramInfo pointed to who knows what and get the QString hostname that that fictitious ProgramInfo is pointed to. who knows where in memory that fictitious QString hostname is looking at. |
| [05:27:19] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [05:27:25] | wagnerrp: | does it seem unlikely to anyone else that this tiny cable is rated at 14A? http://www.woot.com |
| [05:27:29] | sphery: | amazing that it would get that far, though |
| [05:28:11] | wagnerrp: | are those cigarette lighter sockets in cars even good for 14A? |
| [05:28:37] | sphery: | who wants to wait 30 whole seconds for the lighter to warm up? |
| [05:28:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, usually rated 15 or 20A |
| [05:29:01] | iamlindoro: | I think my cigarette lighter is on a 15 amp fuse |
| [05:29:13] | iamlindoro: | though there might be other stuff on it |
| [05:29:20] | wagnerrp: | come on sphery, no one uses those to light cigarettes |
| [05:29:26] | wagnerrp: | thats what the last butt is for |
| [05:29:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:30:04] | sphery: | In newer cars, the socket often ships with a plastic dummy plug, without the heating element (i.e. without the lighter) due to declining popularity (and legality) of smoking |
| [05:30:10] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar_lighter_receptacle#Lighter |
| [05:30:21] | sphery: | is smoking illegal some places? |
| [05:30:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | 'accessory plugs' |
| [05:30:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I think it is with kids in the car in some places. |
| [05:31:02] | sphery: | ah... that makes sense |
| [05:31:23] | sphery: | all I could think of was restaurants and public buildings--where I don't normally see people driving cars inside |
| [05:35:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand smoking bans in restaurants |
| [05:36:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Particularly funny in light of the guy being upset about being responded to tersely, I just reread the ticket itself |
| [05:37:06] | iamlindoro: | No description, not even a sentence fragment |
| [05:37:59] | sphery: | _ZNK16QAbstractSpinBox16inputMethodQueryEN2Qt16InputMethodQueryE isn't clear enough to you? |
| [05:38:11] | wagnerrp: | its perfectly clear to me |
| [05:38:12] | iamlindoro: | Clear enough to tell me it was user/packager error ;) |
| [05:38:16] | sphery: | I'm sure Microsoft would understand it |
| [05:38:16] | wagnerrp: | user error, dirty compile |
| [05:39:11] | ** wagnerrp things iamlindoro should close all invalid tickets with a nice 'f--- you' from now on ** | |
| [05:39:20] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [05:39:54] | iamlindoro: | Thing is, I really am trying hard to be explanatory and courteous when I close a ticket--- admittedly I could have been moreso there, but there wasn't much to say |
| [05:40:16] | sphery: | I really wonder aobut his "[MS] would be all over this issue" comment... Do they actually respond to user-reported bugs/issues? That's not my experience with them--well, unless the user was paying for a very expensive support contract. |
| [05:40:20] | iamlindoro: | ie, when someone submits a patch we won't take, I try to make them feel appreciated, when someone reports something invalid, I try to explainhow |
| [05:40:29] | wagnerrp: | 'broken packages' does it for me |
| [05:40:47] | wagnerrp: | if i had broken packages, i would go search for help from the person who supplied those packages |
| [05:40:54] | wagnerrp: | which was obviously mythtv developers |
| [05:42:37] | sphery: | when I buy a new Dell computer and get the video drivers for the nvidia card from Dell and they don't work properly, I go straight to nvidia. It just makes more sense that way--cut out the middle man. |
| [05:43:13] | iamlindoro: | Ha, I found another thread angry at me |
| [05:44:03] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1348410 |
| [05:45:57] | wagnerrp: | seriously, who still plays CDs |
| [05:46:04] | sphery: | I mean, if I tell nvidia, "I installed NVIDIA_MULTI-DEVICE_A08_R190091.exe from Dell's website and my video doesn't work," they should be able to figure it out, right? |
| [05:46:32] | iamlindoro: | And it's funny because I never touched severity on the ticket |
| [05:47:52] | sphery: | "MythTV is touted as the Mythical All In one solution" |
| [05:47:54] | sphery: | is it? |
| [05:48:01] | wagnerrp: | well obviously its your fault for not recognizing its a high priority problem, and upgrading it |
| [05:48:16] | iamlindoro: | Ah, so not changing the priority is where I went wrong :) |
| [05:48:27] | wagnerrp: | well it is the 'mythical convergence device', whatever that is supposed to mean |
| [05:49:04] | iamlindoro: | Definitely not a motto, though |
| [05:49:46] | sphery: | One would have thought the ability for MythTV to Play CDs was not "Minor". |
| [05:54:54] | wagnerrp: | i just found the new logo for the bonfire.... http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment . . . b45.340x.gif |
| [05:55:18] | wagnerrp: | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment . . . b45/340x.gif |
| [05:55:26] | sphery: | your drm, again |
| [05:55:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:55:35] | wagnerrp: | second one works |
| [05:55:49] | wagnerrp: | man, its been like 10 years since ive watched the simpsons |
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| [05:56:11] | sphery: | it's not the same show, anymore |
| [05:56:22] | sphery: | still better than a lot of stuff on TV, but nothing like it was |
| [05:56:34] | wagnerrp: | no evil villains with flamethrowers? |
| [05:56:43] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9147437#post9147437 |
| [05:57:56] | wagnerrp: | less... important |
| [05:58:26] | wagnerrp: | i guess less minor works too |
| [05:58:32] | wagnerrp: | just sounds odd |
| [05:58:41] | iamlindoro: | Thanks, you're right, fixed |
| [05:59:02] | sphery: | woah, can you fix a few of my mythtv-users posts? |
| [05:59:15] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [05:59:33] | sphery: | ooh, or better, fix some of the replies from other people to my mythtv-users posts |
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| [06:00:11] | ** wagnerrp starts hacking into tens of thousands of individual mail accounts ** | |
| [06:00:15] | wagnerrp: | this is going to take some time |
| [06:00:20] | ** wagnerrp goes to get some caffeine ** | |
| [06:00:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:01:04] | wagnerrp: | has anyone ever checked to see just how large the mailing list is? |
| [06:08:10] | wagnerrp: | now lets see about implementing 7946 in the bindings... |
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| [06:15:24] | wagnerrp: | when did the tmdb site get redone? |
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| [06:16:43] | iamlindoro: | this week |
| [06:18:13] | sphery: | kind of makes you wonder where the backdrops are coming from for the new shows like How to Train Your Dragon |
| [06:18:55] | iamlindoro: | Promotional material and edited posters, usually |
| [06:19:02] | sphery: | cool |
| [06:19:07] | wagnerrp: | looks like they also picked up a commercial backer |
| [06:19:10] | iamlindoro: | and in that case, looks like trailer stills too |
| [06:19:16] | sphery: | nice... |
| [06:19:26] | iamlindoro: | They've been sponsored by moovida for 6 months or so |
| [06:19:42] | sphery: | ah, yeah, trailers tend to be high res, anymore... forgot about that |
| [06:19:53] | wagnerrp: | oh? they just finally get mention with the new page redesign? |
| [06:19:59] | wagnerrp: | or have i just not noticed it before? |
| [06:20:12] | iamlindoro: | They had a little icon in the old design too |
| [06:20:20] | iamlindoro: | similar location, too |
| [06:20:35] | iamlindoro: | Yay, though, I got one of my requests in the new design |
| [06:21:03] | iamlindoro: | namely, an actual URL to create a new movie (I had hoped to allow a failed search to prompt to create a movie) |
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| [06:21:40] | wagnerrp: | did they drop rails/ajax for something else? |
| [06:21:48] | wagnerrp: | the site seems a lot less dynamic |
| [06:22:15] | iamlindoro: | Seems to still have all the same old options |
| [06:23:39] | iamlindoro: | Cast editor is much improved, especially |
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| [06:37:55] | [R]: | i think i need to lower the bitrate on my SD recordingds off my hdpvr |
| [06:38:10] | wagnerrp: | cpu too slow? |
| [06:38:26] | [R]: | no, diskspace is killing me |
| [06:38:29] | [R]: | i have 145 episodes of cops |
| [06:38:34] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [06:38:44] | [R]: | although it looks like the majority are off my qam tuner |
| [06:38:55] | [R]: | 3.1GB for 30 minutes |
| [06:38:58] | [R]: | freakin mpeg2 |
| [06:39:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:39:34] | Beirdo: | 145 episodes of rednecks being drunk idiots |
| [06:39:48] | [R]: | haha |
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| [06:39:57] | npm: | i bet it compresses well. :-) |
| [06:40:09] | [R]: | if i hit the transcode button in mythweb, is it going to do it... or is it going to ask me for options? |
| [06:40:14] | jst_: | [R], do you like the HDPVR? |
| [06:40:27] | [R]: | jst_: oh i love it |
| [06:40:51] | [R]: | omg... mythweb has a button "play recording on frontend"... does that do what i think it does? |
| [06:41:00] | jst_: | Yes. |
| [06:41:06] | [R]: | omg... it totally does... HAHA |
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| [06:41:43] | wagnerrp: | fancy that |
| [06:41:46] | jst_: | I wonder how well it streams across the interwebz with an upload throughput cap of 64K/s. :( |
| [06:41:57] | wagnerrp: | ... not that it only works if you have the frontend telnet socket enabled |
| [06:42:01] | wagnerrp: | s/not/note/ |
| [06:42:01] | sphery: | the frontend isn't on the Internet |
| [06:42:09] | jst_: | sphery, I know. |
| [06:42:12] | sphery: | (er, across it) |
| [06:42:38] | sphery: | oh, you weren't talking about the "play recording on frontend" |
| [06:42:39] | sphery: | nvm |
| [06:43:48] | [R]: | omg, this is my new favorite thing |
| [06:43:50] | [R]: | is this new in 0.23? |
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| [06:44:01] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:44:05] | [R]: | i've been missing out!? |
| [06:44:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont even think it was new in 0.22 either |
| [06:44:55] | [R]: | someone needs to make a list of ever yfeature of mythtv |
| [06:44:56] | [R]: | haha |
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| [06:51:24] | jst_: | This might be of some interest to someone... http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/03/zotacs-zbo . . . o-thank-for/ |
| [06:51:33] | jst_: | $239 for the barebones version. |
| [06:51:50] | wagnerrp: | out already? |
| [06:52:03] | jst_: | Doesn't look like it. |
| [06:52:43] | jst_: | What's crazy is my HP 1000 Mini can do 1080p no problem. Never expected that. It has an Intel 945GME. |
| [06:53:14] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [06:53:15] | jst_: | Of course, I had to play with xorg.conf to get it to that level, but I'm pleasantly surprised. My Acer Revo is sitting in the corner right now, not even hooked up. |
| [06:53:29] | ** [R] loves his atom ** | |
| [06:53:34] | wagnerrp: | what is this '1080p'? |
| [06:53:46] | jst_: | Well, that's what Myth tells me I'm watching. :) |
| [06:53:56] | [R]: | jst_: resolution means nothing w/o codec |
| [06:54:02] | jst_: | Err, 1080. |
| [06:54:07] | wagnerrp: | and bitrate |
| [06:54:25] | [R]: | and how it was encoded |
| [06:54:27] | jst_: | Fine. Let me check. |
| [06:54:44] | wagnerrp: | its a 1.6GHz single core atom |
| [06:55:03] | wagnerrp: | which means it might play broadcast 1080i, if it is of sufficiently low bitrate |
| [06:55:04] | jst_: | MPEG-TS, 12.5 Mbps. |
| [06:55:08] | wagnerrp: | say 13mbps or so |
| [06:55:25] | jst_: | Good call, wagnerrp, heh. |
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| [06:55:47] | jst_: | 1920x1080 |
| [06:56:25] | wagnerrp: | 'mpeg-ts' is the container |
| [06:56:28] | wagnerrp: | the codec is mpeg2 |
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| [06:56:36] | jst_: | Yes, it's MPEG2, my b. |
| [06:57:20] | jst_: | It's handled everything I've thrown at it so far. |
| [06:57:37] | [R]: | try trhowing an hdpvr recording at it |
| [06:57:42] | [R]: | and watch it die a slow and painful death |
| [06:57:45] | wagnerrp: | assuming that moderate bitrate atsc is the best youve thrown at it |
| [06:57:46] | [R]: | a bigh bitrate* |
| [06:59:02] | jst_: | What's the highest bitrate an HDPVR can record at? |
| [06:59:10] | jst_: | s/record/encode? |
| [06:59:25] | jst_: | I'm thinking about buying one... |
| [06:59:44] | wagnerrp: | wont VBR get up to 20.something? |
| [07:00:20] | [R]: | yeah but thats VBR |
| [07:00:23] | wagnerrp: | the recommended bitrate is just to run CBR and set it at whatever the maximum your hardware can support |
| [07:00:30] | justinh: | grrr. stupid manager is still going on about this 'number plate flicker' thing he wants for an ANPR demo. Yeah like we can make something to display car number plates in sequence, out of real number plates.. with no machine shop & no budget for fancy stuff like motors etc |
| [07:00:33] | wagnerrp: | apparently the VBR routines dont work very well |
| [07:00:41] | [R]: | i run CBR 13.5 on everyhting |
| [07:00:47] | [R]: | thats why i'm running out of space |
| [07:01:10] | justinh: | apparently we've done the impossible before & can do it again. the man needs a punch in the face |
| [07:01:26] | [R]: | justinh: well if you've done one miracle... you can do infinite amounts of miracles |
| [07:01:57] | wagnerrp: | justinh: obviously you dont watch 24 |
| [07:03:06] | [R]: | 24 is the most ridiculous show ever created... it sucks that its over... but i'm glad... it's just so absurd |
| [07:04:16] | npm: | what, people stay up for 24 hours all the time :-) |
| [07:05:05] | AndyCap: | justinh: just tell him to have all the sales people drive their cars past it |
| [07:05:10] | justinh: | I think it's called suspension of belief ;-) |
| [07:05:23] | justinh: | AndyCap: bit tricky on a trade show stand |
| [07:05:46] | [R]: | justinh: i have a hard time doing that when they TRY to make it seem realistic... but it's always just so over the topp |
| [07:05:58] | justinh: | [R]: and Heroes isn't? |
| [07:05:59] | wagnerrp: | justinh: isnt a 'number plate flicker' very illegal? |
| [07:06:08] | justinh: | wagnerrp: if mounted on a car, sure |
| [07:06:09] | npm: | sounds like the time the creatives made me stick a green interlace over a video image... so that the LCD looked like an old CRT... |
| [07:06:09] | [R]: | justinh: never watched that crap |
| [07:06:20] | AndyCap: | justinh: then they'll have to unscrew their license plates and wear them around their necks. :P |
| [07:06:25] | wagnerrp: | why would you want one, if not to mount on a car? |
| [07:06:40] | wagnerrp: | what purpose would it serve? |
| [07:06:43] | ** justinh laughs at AndyCap's suggestion ** | |
| [07:06:45] | wagnerrp: | what is that supposed to demo? |
| [07:06:56] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: license plate recognition |
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| [07:06:59] | justinh: | wagnerrp: to demonstrate how 'well' our ANPR system works |
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| [07:07:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, didnt know what that acronym meant |
| [07:07:33] | npm: | people are going to start having license plate frames that are like a "captcha" |
| [07:07:44] | AndyCap: | npm: not if you want to get in |
| [07:07:58] | justinh: | and for reasons unknown, we can't just have plates flash up on a monitor – they say it's because the camera relies on reflectiveness.. which is BS in daylight |
| [07:09:20] | ** npm wonders if it's against the law to place a fresnel lens over license plate with a warpy pattern :-) ** | |
| [07:09:27] | wagnerrp: | http://d.yimg.com/gg/u/390fcfa24d18c6e03cfc85 . . . 60a5d3c.jpeg |
| [07:09:37] | AndyCap: | justinh: so james bond could hack in with his ipad? |
| [07:09:42] | jst_: | hahaha |
| [07:09:56] | npm: | nice! |
| [07:09:58] | justinh: | npm: put it this way, cops have mobile anpr now, so if they were behind you & can't read your plate.. erm... |
| [07:10:24] | justinh: | lol @ the buffer overflow plate |
| [07:10:34] | jst_: | Buffer overflow? :-X |
| [07:10:36] | npm: | sql injection plate |
| [07:10:55] | justinh: | whatever, I've only been awake an hour |
| [07:11:31] | AndyCap: | ob xkcd: http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| [07:12:03] | [R]: | so does anyone know why ~/.mythtv/themes doesn't work so well in myth 0.23? |
| [07:12:56] | dfletcher: | heh there's a guy who hangs in #sparkfun with nick BobbyTables. hahaha that license plate is great :) |
| [07:13:02] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i want to say if you have something that blocks the police ANPR from scanning you, they assume the car is stolen and shoot at you |
| [07:13:09] | wagnerrp: | but i cant find the related clip online |
| [07:13:24] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:13:30] | justinh: | wouldn't put it past them |
| [07:13:47] | wagnerrp: | clip from the fifth element... but youtube has failed me |
| [07:14:04] | justinh: | ah it's on my 'never watch' list, along with avatar |
| [07:14:13] | sphery: | [R]: how so? |
| [07:14:25] | justinh: | wonder whatever became of that guy who said he'd pay for me to go.. |
| [07:14:29] | dfletcher: | what?! fifth element is some fun sci-fi |
| [07:14:31] | sphery: | [R]: it will refuse to use a theme in there if it's not a valid theme |
| [07:14:32] | wagnerrp: | justinh: awww... thats a great movie |
| [07:14:48] | wagnerrp: | its fun if you dont take it too seriously |
| [07:14:51] | [R]: | sphery: it works fine in /usr/share/mythtv/themes though |
| [07:14:52] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhlD6q71YA ? |
| [07:14:52] | dfletcher: | plus leelu is totally hot |
| [07:15:19] | sphery: | and how does it not work in ~/.mythtv/themes ? |
| [07:15:20] | [R]: | sphery: if i have myth set to use the theme, then move it to ~/.mythtv/themes in the appearance dialog the name shows up blank, and if i scroll thru the list, the theme isn't there |
| [07:15:37] | [R]: | sphery: but it still "works"... osd themes dont work at all in there |
| [07:15:52] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: yeah, there it is, 1:05 in |
| [07:15:56] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: or even better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhlD6q71YA#t=0m58 |
| [07:16:07] | sphery: | ah, you mean, "so does anyone know why ~/.mythtv/themes doesn't work so well in myth*tv-setup* 0.23?" |
| [07:16:08] | AndyCap: | very neat youtube trick. :P |
| [07:16:13] | sphery: | that's a whole different question |
| [07:16:25] | [R]: | sphery: not setup... |
| [07:16:30] | wagnerrp: | cool |
| [07:16:52] | sphery: | [R]: er, mythfrontend settings |
| [07:17:12] | sphery: | but it's only mfe settings that doesn't work since the theme selector doesn't look there |
| [07:17:16] | [R]: | sphery: well the osd theme doenst work at all if i do the same procedure that works for the regaular theme... it just falls back to the default |
| [07:17:35] | [R]: | although to be honest, i dont know if that worked in 0.22 |
| [07:18:07] | sphery: | yeah, OSD themes are handled differently and might not work in ~/.mythtv/themes |
| [07:18:41] | [R]: | ah |
| [07:18:57] | sphery: | but mythfrontend settings theme picker in 0.23 that won't look in ~/.mythtv/themes for any (UI, MENU, OSD) themes. |
| [07:19:14] | sphery: | and UI themes in ~/.mythtv/themes work fine--just not in the theme picker |
| [07:19:25] | sphery: | and the theme picker will likely be replaced with something much better for 0.24 |
| [07:19:28] | [R]: | ah |
| [07:19:34] | [R]: | so i shoduln't waste my time on it? |
| [07:19:35] | sphery: | (I don't think iamlindoro has already committed that) |
| [07:20:00] | sphery: | and OSD themes will be totally different as soon as the libmythui-osd branch is merged |
| [07:20:27] | sphery: | so I'd recommend just using your $SHAREDIR/themes dir for 0.23 |
| [07:20:39] | [R]: | okay, sounds fine |
| [07:20:40] | [R]: | thanks |
| [07:20:49] | [R]: | one of these days... i'm going to find a bug that i can fix though |
| [07:20:49] | [R]: | haha |
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| [07:24:19] | jst_: | Is there a way to set the music player to browse directories? |
| [07:24:50] | wagnerrp: | no, pre-scan only |
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| [07:26:32] | jst_: | Thanks. |
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| [07:32:04] | [R]: | i think i need a new 1tb drive |
| [07:32:14] | [R]: | you can nevert have enough tbs... thats what i always say |
| [07:32:19] | wagnerrp: | to replace an old one in an array? |
| [07:32:27] | [R]: | no, to add to my collection |
| [07:32:47] | wagnerrp: | i think 1.5s are the cheapest per GB |
| [07:32:57] | [R]: | 1.5... interesting |
| [07:33:25] | [R]: | i got my 1tb for $70 |
| [07:33:41] | wagnerrp: | 1.5s are readily available under 100 |
| [07:34:58] | wagnerrp: | its a shame anandtech doesnt update their pricing engine any longer |
| [07:35:06] | wagnerrp: | they actually let you sort by price/GB |
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| [07:36:40] | wagnerrp: | there are two 2TB drives for $140 on newegg, another at $150 |
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| [07:52:34] | Tanthrix: | 2TB is still too damned expensive. |
| [07:53:45] | Tanthrix: | Anything over $120 just feels arbitrarily too expensive for a drive ;-) |
| [07:54:07] | wagnerrp: | is $70 for 1TB too expensive? |
| [07:54:18] | Tanthrix: | No, that's a good price. |
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| [07:54:32] | wagnerrp: | but its the same price as that $140 2TB drive |
| [07:54:34] | Tanthrix: | Arbitrarily speaking. Not price/gb speaking. |
| [07:55:10] | wagnerrp: | of course the 2TB drive will actually be cheaper, because it will fit in a smaller case, and use less energy, than 2 1TB drives |
| [07:55:44] | sphery: | and may actually use less energy than 1 1TB drive |
| [07:55:51] | Tanthrix: | Indeed. Storage drives are just like a commodity for me, though. I'm used to buying $100 a drive max. Going over that feels wrong, in the same way I don't think I could ever bring myself to buy a mouse or an IEC power cable. |
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| [07:56:09] | sphery: | though not significantly less than any other single drive |
| [07:56:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im debating sending another response to that message board thread... he replied |
| [07:56:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:56:42] | sphery: | I'll have to look at it |
| [07:57:12] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else... 'you pay several hundred dollars for a windows license to get that support' |
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| [07:59:32] | Tanthrix: | So, anyone have experiece running cable in a modern house with 2 feet thick of blown in insulation? |
| [07:59:37] | justinh: | ah well, so much for that idea. plates mounted on a hexagonal section rotor are out of the question.. apparently the plates have to 'flick' into view quickly. people believe what they see on Mythbusters way too much |
| [07:59:49] | justinh: | Tanthrix: cable pulling fish poles ftw |
| [08:00:11] | wagnerrp: | SDLC? |
| [08:00:20] | [R]: | Tanthrix: just push it out of the way |
| [08:00:29] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Hrm. That would make things easier, but I can't imagine doing that without having to cut some pretty big access holes in the ceiling. |
| [08:00:31] | [R]: | Tanthrix: i ran speaker wires through my attic |
| [08:00:53] | Tanthrix: | 2 feet thick is a pain..this isn't 6 inches of rolled fiberglass |
| [08:01:17] | [R]: | mine was pretty deep, although maybe it wasn't 2 feet |
| [08:01:38] | Tanthrix: | It seems the only option is to swim through it...going on top would work with plywood, but smashing it down makes it lose its effectiveness |
| [08:01:58] | Tanthrix: | May have to end up going under the house...shudder |
| [08:02:14] | justinh: | make a small hole in the wall & suck the insulation out for a while? |
| [08:02:16] | justinh: | ;) |
| [08:02:23] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [08:02:40] | justinh: | then blow it all back in when you're done. simples! |
| [08:02:46] | Tanthrix: | This is a house I'm in the process of buying, incidentally. I wonder what manner of awfulness is hidden under that insulation |
| [08:03:03] | justinh: | there are walls 2 feet thick? |
| [08:03:11] | Tanthrix: | This is in the attic |
| [08:03:12] | [R]: | Tanthrix: make sure its not a dead body |
| [08:03:15] | justinh: | ah |
| [08:03:37] | Tanthrix: | The entire part above livable space has 2 feet thick. Not exaggerating – it really is a sight to behold. R38 |
| [08:03:44] | justinh: | I need to pull new cables upstairs from the cupboard under the stairs where my 'node 0' now lives |
| [08:04:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: don't see the reply... about the hard drive? not about the DRM/CableCard thing, right? |
| [08:04:29] | sphery: | did it go just to you? |
| [08:04:37] | sphery: | bad Reply-To, maybe? |
| [08:04:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the mythtvtalk thing... the rant on iamlindoro |
| [08:04:51] | sphery: | oh, that one |
| [08:05:17] | justinh: | the existing cables – I thought I could just pull them back upstairs with the new ones attached – but no.. apparently I had the foresight to clip the cables down behind the stairs |
| [08:05:39] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [08:05:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . ml#post51591 |
| [08:05:42] | Tanthrix: | Good thinking. |
| [08:06:02] | Tanthrix: | Always futureproof. Leave pull cords – nylon string is cheap. |
| [08:06:27] | sphery: | iamlindoro: nice |
| [08:06:36] | justinh: | yeah well this time I'm gonna pull the stair backing panel off & put 2 lengths of round conduit in |
| [08:06:37] | ** wagnerrp applauds ** | |
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| [08:08:03] | justinh: | somebody should moderate Todd's ass |
| [08:08:23] | justinh: | I'd ban somebody for less than he said |
| [08:08:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: someone /really/ needs to tell the guy, "You're in luck! Microsoft makes their own DVR software, so you don't have to settle for second-rate support, anymore!" |
| [08:09:16] | justinh: | ironic, that bug reports MS gets probably do get you a response akin to 'go f yourself' |
| [08:09:33] | sphery: | no joke... That's what I was thinking. |
| [08:09:48] | Tanthrix: | I think what I'll do with the new house is setup everything on wifi temporarily, excluding myth |
| [08:10:05] | sphery: | To Todd: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-medi . . . default.aspx |
| [08:10:07] | Tanthrix: | That way I don't have to stress about running cat6 before I've even got the bed in |
| [08:10:44] | sphery: | how will you be able to sleep without cat 5e or higher installed? priorities, man! |
| [08:10:46] | justinh: | well either that or no reply at all, rather than a 'mwah mwah mwah sloppy snoggy snog fankoo for taking the time to report this we'll get right on it here at canonical' ;-) |
| [08:11:01] | Tanthrix: | sphery: IT will be tough ;-) |
| [08:13:25] | justinh: | this kind of stuff is what did my head in so often. you can brush off the odd one & let them go as 'some nutjob' but they add up |
| [08:13:38] | ** wagnerrp can tell people theyre wrong, but iamlindoro does it with panache ** | |
| [08:13:53] | justinh: | yeah gotta admire that iamlindoro :) |
| [08:14:06] | iamlindoro: | It's my boiling Mediterranean blood |
| [08:14:26] | justinh: | god help the communitae if you ever go nuclear |
| [08:15:20] | iamlindoro: | I'm actually better at laughing it off than it might seem, I just like to be dramatic about the especially funny cases of ignorance |
| [08:15:40] | Tanthrix: | Somewhere, someone on the internet is wrong! |
| [08:16:14] | justinh: | yeah well.. pity I stopped being able to laugh it off :) |
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| [08:18:40] | Tanthrix: | I'm nearly certain all OSS devs eventually become bitter husks. Or anyone else who has to deal with the public on a regular basis, for that matter. |
| [08:19:06] | iamlindoro: | Of course, now I've edited the response four more times |
| [08:19:13] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure if it's meaner or more reasonable |
| [08:19:14] | Tanthrix: | It's as natural as a caterpiller turning into a butterfly |
| [08:19:25] | iamlindoro: | oh well, such is life with middle-of-the-night responses |
| [08:19:34] | iamlindoro: | Pretty sure it's meaner |
| [08:19:41] | justinh: | I stopped DJing when I couldn't deal with the stupid public anymore |
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| [08:19:59] | wagnerrp: | plus you made someone commit suicide |
| [08:20:03] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [08:20:05] | justinh: | yeah true |
| [08:20:21] | justinh: | though to be fair I continued for quite some time after that |
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| [08:23:03] | iamlindoro: | Every time I rewrite this thing, it gets meaner |
| [08:23:05] | iamlindoro: | I should stop |
| [08:24:57] | sphery: | no, it could get meaner |
| [08:25:00] | sphery: | don't give up! |
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| [08:29:43] | justinh: | I could jump in now & say this is exactly why I stopped contributing so visibly & it's a miracle anybody still bothers when users have such attitudes |
| [08:29:52] | justinh: | but that won't help. he'll still be a jerk |
| [08:30:34] | justinh: | from what I've seen though, other projects get this ++++++ |
| [08:30:48] | [R]: | with 145 episodes of cops... it makes it quite difficult to find an HD one to watch |
| [08:31:21] | justinh: | [R]: sounds like a job for your 'watch recordings' tag search patch ;-) |
| [08:31:37] | [R]: | tag? |
| [08:31:53] | justinh: | to find shows with the 'hdtv' tag & list them all :) |
| [08:32:04] | [R]: | i have tons marked as hd |
| [08:32:10] | [R]: | but they are 4:3 upscaled |
| [08:32:19] | justinh: | filter by 'cops' AND 'HD' :) |
| [08:32:39] | [R]: | yes... i ahve tons marked as hd |
| [08:32:51] | justinh: | ah now I know what you meant. they're marked as HD but are upscaled 4:3. heheheh |
| [08:32:54] | [R]: | i have to actually look at the preview window to figure it out |
| [08:33:10] | [R]: | but filtering by the 1 channel they are on would help |
| [08:34:25] | iamlindoro: | ah dang it, it just got meaner again. |
| [08:34:31] | justinh: | hmm. "are you still working on the number plate rotating thingy?". tempted to reply with "yes. are you still living on cloud cuckoo?" |
| [08:35:16] | ** iamlindoro stops revising, returns to trying to sleep ** | |
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| [09:15:36] | [R]: | "can't you give me a break one time?" "you were passed out on the side of the road" |
| [09:15:45] | [R]: | who was the one that said cops is all rednecks... your totally right! |
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| [10:23:05] | gbee: | OT: What's the preferred CD ripping app for windows these days? |
| [10:23:43] | Dibblah: | Itunes. Duuuh. ;) |
| [10:24:25] | Dibblah: | Or cdex |
| [10:24:33] | Dibblah: | http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ |
| [10:24:40] | gbee: | heh, yeah, guess I meant aside from itunes – cdex it is then |
| [10:25:03] | gbee: | family member is asking for a recommendation, oblivious to the fact that I don't use Windows |
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| [10:31:36] | gbee: | Dibblah: thanks |
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| [11:46:42] | justinh: | who'd prefer itunes?:-O |
| [11:47:13] | justinh: | I tend to use EAC |
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| [12:04:16] | gbee: | I was surprised that handbrake doesn't do css, for all the praise it gets that's a pretty big failing |
| [12:05:35] | gbee: | although the wording on their website is fuzzy, suggesting that they might support it if libcss is installed |
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| [12:20:38] | justinh: | I just installed it on my laptop & it 'just worked', though I also have dvdshrink installed |
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| [12:35:21] | k-man: | evening all |
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| [12:45:25] | aravind__: | hi ppl,jus downloaded mythtv,i need some help on installing it! |
| [12:49:44] | gbee: | justinh: interesting, well it was the only ripping DVD app (aside from Myth) that I'm even familiar with, so that's the one I recommended alongside CDex – my sister is wanting to rip everything she owns as she's emigrating |
| [12:50:00] | gbee: | I'll probably end up doing it for her though :/ |
| [12:50:01] | mag0o: | gbee: don't you love those family memebers that think windows is all there is? |
| [12:50:40] | mag0o: | my parents keep trying to get me to help them load their wireless printer drivers onto their shiny new windows 7 computer they bought. |
| [12:51:12] | gbee: | mag0o: it's worse than that, until recently she worked for one of the biggest IT contractors in the world, handling all those botched government IT projects which unsurprisingly were all built on Windows ;) |
| [12:51:24] | mag0o: | ooo, nice |
| [12:51:53] | aravind__: | any ideas guys? |
| [12:52:01] | aravind__ is now known as fed_UP | |
| [12:53:28] | mag0o: | fed_UP: you haven't given too much info that I see. |
| [12:53:52] | gbee: | she's tried linux, but she's unfortunately not tech savvy enough, but still thinks she knows a lot about computes, i.e. one of that group that you'll never persuade onto linux because their favourite apps don't work |
| [12:55:25] | gbee: | I managed to move my parents to linux (condition of my being their unpaid tech support) and they took to it well, OOO + Firefox and they can barely tell the difference |
| [12:55:38] | mag0o: | I did get my mom-in-law to use ubuntu on her desktop b/c it kept getting malware, she can actually navigate and use it |
| [12:55:50] | mag0o: | She's even figured out how to attach her digital frame and transfer pictures. |
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| [12:56:49] | mag0o: | That's a good stipulation to put in your unpaid tech support contract, I'll have to try that :) |
| [12:57:10] | fed_UP: | mag0o: i run fedora 12,and hav downloaded the tar.bz2 thing,and hav no idea how to proceed ! |
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| [12:58:11] | mag0o: | fed_UP: fed_UP http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora |
| [12:58:21] | fed_UP: | mag0o: thank ya |
| [12:58:38] | mag0o: | you're welcome |
| [12:58:50] | mag0o: | (btw, that was the first google result for fedora 12 mythtv) |
| [13:01:14] | mzb: | I've managed to convert several relatives and friends to Ubuntu ... rarely get a question on usage. Most common comment is "Friend of mine keeps saying they've got a virus and had to reformat. Told them I don't get them any more." |
| [13:02:23] | mzb: | Most common problem is that they don't upgrade, so after 3 releases they can't as the mirror expires the release. |
| [13:02:39] | mag0o: | yeah |
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| [13:02:47] | mzb: | ie: I don't touch their machines for ~2yrs ;) |
| [13:02:59] | mag0o: | the mom-in-law seems to stay on top of those though, she likes to click the update notification popup and follow along |
| [13:03:29] | mzb: | sounds like an easy convert ;) |
| [13:03:46] | mzb: | wait until all her friends get the latest virus and she doesn't ;) |
| [13:05:51] | mzb: | the next step is to give her an ATA that logs in to your Asterisk server ;) (and does popups on your mythtv boxen) |
| [13:07:07] | mzb: | *or* setup a mythbox for her ... more buttons, though ... and more support to go with it |
| [13:07:08] | mag0o: | haha |
| [13:07:50] | mzb: | support seems proportional to the number of buttons, among other things ;) |
| [13:08:01] | mzb: | s/need for support |
| [13:08:39] | mag0o: | exactly |
| [13:08:57] | mzb: | then you've got linux routers, linux phones ... it all gets easier eventually! |
| [13:10:17] | ** mzb can't wait to get over his cold so that he can finish off his computer room (full of said gadgets ... no WinOS in sight) ** | |
| [13:10:48] | mzb: | just finished MK1 of the LED controller today ... results spectacular |
| [13:11:35] | mzb: | I've been offered a MAC G5 (I think) which I wouldn't mind mounting on the wall and running a mythtv FE on |
| [13:11:59] | ** mzb wonders if it will ever arrive ;) ** | |
| [13:33:06] | jarle: | is there somewhere under /proc I can see which card is connected to /dev/dvb/adapterX ? |
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| [13:48:02] | j-rod: | yay. fan controller, new heatsink w/120mm fan and geforce 220 arrive today... |
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| [14:00:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: that's a big fan for a video card... ;-) Hehehehehe |
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| [14:49:29] | aravind__: | hi ppl, i installed mythtv on my f12 box now using "yum install mythtv" and when i try to connect it it says "cannot login to database" |
| [14:49:33] | aravind__: | any ideas |
| [14:49:35] | aravind__: | ? |
| [14:50:05] | j-rod: | start mysql |
| [14:50:22] | j-rod: | do the necessary initial database setup |
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| [14:51:01] | j-rod: | see also: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [14:51:15] | aravind__: | ive followed this for my config : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . ration_1.2F2 |
| [14:51:16] | j-rod: | especially section 6 |
| [14:52:18] | j-rod: | you're putting the cart before the horse if you can't even connect to the database. |
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| [14:53:11] | aravind__: | oh k |
| [14:53:55] | aravind__: | ive tried starting mysql |
| [14:54:04] | aravind__: | still it says cannot login to db |
| [14:58:39] | aravind__: | is this something related wid this error : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1056801 |
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| [15:04:59] | j-rod: | aravind__: from the frontend box, 'mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg'. if that fails, you haven't got remote database access set up. |
| [15:05:10] | j-rod: | that's also covered in the docs, somewhere |
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| [15:06:17] | j-rod: | short version: you need to open port 3306 (mysql) and 6543 (mythtv) in your backend's firewall, then grant the mythtv user access to the tables in mythconverg |
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| [15:07:28] | j-rod: | er, make that 'mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv -h <your backend server> mythconverg' |
| [15:07:46] | j-rod: | this is all assuming this frontend is on a different machine than your backend |
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| [15:07:59] | j-rod: | if not, you have even more fundamental issues to figure out |
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| [15:36:25] | akv: | hey! A couple of weeks ago some of my DVB-C channels started getting pixelated, like bad compression and sound clicking and such. I know the DVB-C provider did some changes in start of April and figured that it might be the reason. I just got a DVB-C settopbox and it works! How do i debug on this? The support says that the signal levels i'm having with MythTV is fine and the channels are found fine by MythTV... |
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| [15:39:07] | sphery: | akv: It's still recommend a rescan |
| [15:40:40] | akv: | sphery: done that 3 or 4 times and doesn't change anything :( |
| [15:40:58] | akv: | to me it looks like its a signal problem, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't |
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| [15:41:12] | iamlindoro: | It sure *sounds* like a signal problem |
| [15:41:27] | akv: | meant noice... |
| [15:41:33] | iamlindoro: | note that computer based tuners are much more sensitive to poor or erroneous signals than set top boxes |
| [15:41:39] | akv: | oh |
| [15:41:50] | akv: | tought that would be the same |
| [15:41:50] | iamlindoro: | so it working in the STB is not necessarily proof that it should be working in your computer |
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| [15:42:41] | akv: | okay, the problem is that even tough i'm argumenting to the provider that it used to work, if they know the settop box they provide works, they won't help me anymore :( |
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| [15:43:54] | iamlindoro: | try tuning the card to a channel in Myth, and in a terminal, run "femon -H" for about ten seconds |
| [15:43:59] | iamlindoro: | then pastebin the results |
| [15:44:05] | iamlindoro: | mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [15:44:09] | akv: | okay |
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| [15:47:23] | akv: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/ajKaZA1g |
| [15:47:47] | iamlindoro: | akv: Yikes, so *lots* of errors in the signal |
| [15:47:52] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, that's your problem |
| [15:48:04] | akv: | iamlindoro: the ber and unc clearly differs from a channel that works... |
| [15:48:10] | akv: | okay |
| [15:48:29] | iamlindoro: | How many times are you splitting the signal? Are you amplifying it at all? |
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| [15:49:31] | akv: | right now i have a passive splitter, which i used for ages...but it didn't make any differences when i plugged the dvb card in the wall plug with a hi-grade antenna cable |
| [15:50:07] | iamlindoro: | You could try some amplification, but if the signal is that poor coming into the house, it may do nothing but amplify noise |
| [15:50:31] | iamlindoro: | And that's really all we can advise you to do-- to get usable signal, you are going to need to suppress all that error |
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| [15:51:14] | akv: | the ber and unc values? |
| [15:51:18] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [15:51:41] | akv: | okay, i'll try moving things around and keeping an eye on them |
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| [15:59:50] | akv: | iamlindoro: when i monitor a channel that works with the first card, it shows errors, but none with the second – tried moving the cable from the first to the second looping the other way, but didn't do any difference |
| [16:00:20] | iamlindoro: | akv: Are they identical hardware? |
| [16:01:08] | akv: | yes, hm, might have done something wrong, not it seems they both shows 0 errors |
| [16:01:14] | akv: | on the channel that works |
| [16:01:41] | iamlindoro: | Right ;) |
| [16:01:49] | akv: | and errors as soon as i switch to a channel that doesn't work |
| [16:01:58] | iamlindoro: | 0 errors = works, > 0 = don't :) |
| [16:02:01] | akv: | okay, i'll hope the provider will help me |
| [16:02:02] | akv: | ;) |
| [16:02:03] | akv: | yes yes |
| [16:02:12] | iamlindoro: | There is *some* tolerance for error, but not a whole lot |
| [16:02:32] | iamlindoro: | (and there's no way for us to tell you what level of error will work, you'll just have to get it there to find out) |
| [16:03:00] | akv: | I think i will try getting a channel list, tuning to every channel for 60 seconds, monitoring the errors..then i'll have something to give them |
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| [16:17:19] | Peitolm: | Is there a guide to working out why a channel/source isn't being considered for scheduling |
| [16:17:36] | sphery: | mythbackend --printsched |
| [16:17:57] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_Backend#Inter . . . sched_Output |
| [16:18:16] | sphery: | Peitolm: feel free to pastebin (the full) output from mythbackend --printsched |
| [16:20:06] | Peitolm: | would you object to some selected copying? |
| [16:20:42] | sphery: | if a showing in question occurs near now, you can paste up through an hour or 2 after that showing |
| [16:21:06] | sphery: | if you need to "sanitize" the results, feel free to do a global search/replace on some show titles :) |
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| [16:21:44] | sphery: | after all, who'd want other people to know they're recording Oprah :) |
| [16:22:10] | Peitolm: | this may sound crazy, but I'm not sure it's going to help |
| [16:22:24] | gbee: | s/Tellytubbies/Top Gear/ |
| [16:22:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: You record Oprah? Wow... |
| [16:22:37] | Peitolm: | the recording that isn't happening just says 'C' for Conflict |
| [16:22:40] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: I only watch it for the articles! |
| [16:22:54] | sphery: | Peitolm: and the output will tell me /why/ it's a conflict :) |
| [16:22:55] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: no, that's the sanitized version, he really watches mexican soaps |
| [16:23:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
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| [16:23:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: My son and I have become Top Gear addicts... ;-) |
| [16:24:47] | wagnerrp: | Antagonist: mythtv has nothing that uses a microphone, so anything you want to do with one wont conflict with anything |
| [16:25:40] | Antagonist: | I have found some mention of mythtv being combined with sphinx, a voice recognition system. Very very little details though... Mostly to do with Asterik, a telephony system that suggests its used with telephone handsets, but nothing like a room mic in your TV room. Is there technical problems or is it just not... a popular setup I guess? |
| [16:25:47] | gbee: | it's unfortunately gone downhill in the last two series, what once 'appeared' to be genuine events is now so clearly staged and scripted, and not especially funny :/ |
| [16:26:07] | sphery: | my sanitized output: The Top Gear Winfrey Show – "Oprah and Ga 21_2 WLIWDT2 13 16:30–17:00 1 0 0 A R 2/ 0 Talk |
| [16:26:08] | npm: | except if you plug in a new USB audio device, and it ends up becoming ALSA device 0, kicking out your regular mythtv soundcard from use |
| [16:26:10] | Peitolm: | sphery http://pastebin.com/rHyZg795 |
| [16:26:28] | npm: | ^^ wagnerrp that microphone and myth might have nothing to do w/ ea other |
| [16:26:32] | trumee: | why i am getting a warning "Warning! QtWebkit headers not found, MythBrowser will not work.", when i do have the webkit headers at /opt/qt/include/QtWebKit/ |
| [16:26:45] | sphery: | Peitolm: I'm guessing it's Sons of Anarchy you're wondering about? |
| [16:26:50] | Peitolm: | nope |
| [16:26:54] | sphery: | or Dealiest? |
| [16:26:58] | Peitolm: | it's Deadliest |
| [16:27:04] | sphery: | ok |
| [16:27:12] | Antagonist: | wagnerrp: I realise its possible to hack something in, but... noone has done it before? |
| [16:27:15] | Peitolm: | I _should_ have two sources of 'Five' |
| [16:27:24] | Peitolm: | it doesn't seem to be equating them |
| [16:27:39] | gbee: | callsigns identical? |
| [16:28:48] | trumee: | is there any place i can check why mythtv configure is complaining about QtWebKit? i spent the last 4 hours rebuilding Qt with Qtwebkit and i now mythtv is crapping out with this error :( |
| [16:28:50] | sphery: | Peitolm: Without full output, I can't say for sure, but it looks like only card 2, input 2 is connected. Also, the source ID 0 stuff seems very wrong (unless it's a new code that indicates something special--but I'm pretty sure it's not). |
| [16:28:52] | Peitolm: | gbee: as far as i can see |
| [16:29:01] | Peitolm: | sourceID 0 |
| [16:29:04] | Peitolm: | hrm |
| [16:29:04] | Antagonist: | aka wtf is stopping me from sitting on my couch, shouting out 'Computer, change channel to Discovery World please' and having it actually do it |
| [16:29:27] | sphery: | Peitolm: I'd guess you have an input connections misconfig and need to do the video sources (and should probably also do the capture card) portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [16:29:43] | wagnerrp: | Antagonist: effort on your part |
| [16:29:59] | sphery: | it's easier to clear everything and start configuring from a known state rather than trying to find and then fix whatever problem(s) you have in your current config |
| [16:30:10] | wagnerrp: | Antagonist: nearly all users are perfectly content with an IR remote, so voice command is a very rarely used technology |
| [16:30:21] | sphery: | especially when you have some hints on how to properly configure it this time :) |
| [16:30:40] | Antagonist: | wagnerrp: I'm operating on the expectation that I cannot be the first to have considered it, so the lack of information on the subject is stunning to me. |
| [16:30:48] | Peitolm: | sphery it's odd. I think I set it up the same as the other channels that are the same on both source ID 1 and Source ID 3 |
| [16:31:00] | Peitolm: | sphery: it just doesn't seem to work for Five |
| [16:31:13] | sphery: | Peitolm: well, it's not listing source ID 3 at all in that output |
| [16:31:22] | wagnerrp: | just because youre not the first to do it, doesnt mean other people to do it previously have well documented their procedure |
| [16:31:23] | sphery: | seems it's only scheduling on source 1 |
| [16:31:32] | sphery: | and 0 should not exist |
| [16:31:51] | sphery: | then again, it may try schedulign on source 3 later in the trimmed stuff |
| [16:32:00] | Peitolm: | sphery let me check |
| [16:32:18] | Peitolm: | sphery: yes it does |
| [16:32:28] | sphery: | so how many sources do you have? What physical recording sources are you using? |
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| [16:33:00] | Antagonist: | wagnerrp: So... no known technological barriers. Biggest trick would be the mic I guess, noise cancellation with the speakers output might be needed to clean it up from its own noise. |
| [16:33:20] | wagnerrp: | Antagonist: voice recognition was a 'cool new technology' 10–15 years ago |
| [16:33:20] | Peitolm: | I have 3 in total, one of which is well, off ( it was a single use one) |
| [16:33:33] | Peitolm: | so I have 2 sources, PVR-350 and satellite |
| [16:33:36] | sphery: | Peitolm: can you pastebin: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'select sourceid, name from videosource;' |
| [16:33:48] | Antagonist: | wagnerrp: And its only really becoming practical in recent years |
| [16:33:57] | wagnerrp: | the fact that it has gone nowhere since then indicates that it will be nothing but awkward to use until we develop proper natural language processing |
| [16:34:05] | Peitolm: | sphery: satellite should be preferred, as it's a straight MPEG2 dump |
| [16:34:16] | wagnerrp: | which wont be until around the same time as we develop AI |
| [16:34:42] | Peitolm: | | 1 | Radio Times | |
| [16:34:42] | Peitolm: | | 3 | Satellite | |
| [16:34:44] | Peitolm: | | 4 | Sky | |
| [16:34:51] | Antagonist: | wagnerrp: Natural language parsing doesn't require strong AI, but its not a solved problem yet,obviously |
| [16:34:54] | Peitolm: | Radio Times = cable |
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| [16:35:42] | Peitolm: | Spery I can manually set myth to record something on cable and watch'Five' directly with xmbc |
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| [16:35:50] | Peitolm: | let me swap to mythfrontend a sec |
| [16:36:37] | Peitolm: | although it might not work |
| [16:37:24] | Peitolm: | sphery: for BBC1 and BBC2, i only get one listing on xbmc but for Five i get 2 |
| [16:37:33] | Peitolm: | so something isn't right in the DB |
| [16:38:20] | wagnerrp: | Antagonist: there is nothing preventing you from doing so... its just thet most users would rather punch two buttons into a remote, than shout a long sequence of commands |
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| [16:38:31] | wagnerrp: | so very few have actually tried in the past |
| [16:38:40] | bjd: | Peitolm: offtopic – you using xbmc on xbox hardware? |
| [16:39:17] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: xbmc is not to be interfaced with mythtv |
| [16:39:43] | trumee: | can somebody help me in compiling mythtv. |
| [16:39:47] | wagnerrp: | its not that we have anything against third party access to the backend and database |
| [16:39:51] | Antagonist: | Well, I'll see if I can get http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/ working with voice, apparently it can easily send commands to MythTV |
| [16:39:56] | pac0: | how can i now what chipset uses my card? |
| [16:40:12] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that mythbox in xbmc is an ugly hack, and does some very bad things in regards to interfacing with mythtv |
| [16:40:26] | ikevin: | hi |
| [16:40:35] | trumee: | The configure command doesnt seem to find the QtWebkit headers. |
| [16:41:05] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: it might do, but it works on my mac, mythfrontend barfs, but I'm not sure xbmc is the issue here, I thought there were using lbmyth correctly now (even if it's out of date) |
| [16:41:10] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: mythtv has version checks in place, to ensure that clients connecting to it are up to date with current protocols, and mythbox blatently ignores those checks and connects anyway |
| [16:41:26] | Peitolm: | mythbox? not using it |
| [16:41:36] | sphery: | Peitolm: I'd suggest you do the video sources (and possibly capture card) reset... Figuring out what's misconfigured can take hours--versus minutes to clear and reconfigure everything. |
| [16:41:41] | ikevin: | i try to setup a dvb-t card on myth to get tnt hd working, so, the appliance i use is not sufficient to get it working (image still freeze), i've a server at home to manage the mysql server |
| [16:41:42] | sphery: | from the post I linked before |
| [16:41:57] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: did someone write a tvheadend module for mythtv? |
| [16:42:06] | wagnerrp: | if not mythbox, what are you using? |
| [16:42:09] | ikevin: | can i setup the backend on the server with my dvb-t card on and getting tnt working via network? |
| [16:43:09] | Peitolm: | sphery: I know how long it took to setup the channels in the first place, (A v.long time to get the channel numbering all sorted ), I don't have the luxury of a direct connection to my cable box |
| [16:43:36] | keith4_: | if I were interested in donating money or buying some needed hardware for mythtv devs, is there any info on what's needed in the wiki? |
| [16:44:14] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: native xmbc support inlatest xmbc |
| [16:44:26] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: got a link? |
| [16:44:26] | sphery: | Peitolm: but this time you have something you were lacking last time--experience! |
| [16:45:09] | ikevin: | no idea if it's possible to have a tunner on a server used by a pc client on my network? |
| [16:45:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: They use libcmyth (for their myth:// support), it's the same (fakes 8, then lies) |
| [16:45:54] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: see iamlindoro's comment |
| [16:46:09] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: those are the 'bad things' xbmc is doing when interfacing with mythtv |
| [16:46:40] | Peitolm: | sphery: yeah, i do, I understand why you're saying it, but with 80 odd channels and the impact it would have if i get it wrong (read Wife us Myth more more than i do) |
| [16:46:53] | sphery: | and when you fake a protocol, you're sending the wrong info/info out of order/... and hoping things just work |
| [16:47:14] | sphery: | not to mention, they probably do direct DB access (meaning they could corrupt the whole DB) |
| [16:47:28] | iamlindoro: | the funny thing is even libcmyth doesn't speak protocol 8, they speak some intermediate version |
| [16:47:38] | iamlindoro: | so if the server responded "yeah, sure, I speak 8" it would REALLY break |
| [16:48:59] | Peitolm: | sphery: but would that have an affect on the sheduling |
| [16:49:00] | trumee: | ok, if nobody seems to know about QtWebkit, will my compile run into problems if i am getting this message "Warning! QtWebkit headers not found, MythBrowser will not work." |
| [16:49:17] | sphery: | Peitolm: it's more likely your configuration is breaking scheduling |
| [16:49:25] | trumee: | I dont want to compile for 2 hours before getting an error message |
| [16:49:26] | iamlindoro: | trumee: yes, QtWebkit is required |
| [16:49:35] | trumee: | iamlindoro: oh, crap |
| [16:49:38] | iamlindoro: | Needed for one of the core MythUI widgets |
| [16:49:52] | iamlindoro: | And a core "Watch recordings" screen element |
| [16:49:57] | trumee: | iamlindoro: i did install qt with qtwebkit enabled. why cant mythtv find it. |
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| [16:50:04] | sphery: | trumee: and I think you're going to hit problems with QtGL, too |
| [16:50:18] | sphery: | trumee: PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| [16:50:25] | trumee: | sphery: i do have the files in /opt/qt/include/QtWebKit/ |
| [16:50:33] | Peitolm: | sphery: that's what i'm thinking |
| [16:50:36] | iamlindoro: | not Myth's fault/problem when you are installing on an unsupported platform |
| [16:51:00] | trumee: | sphery: do i have to set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable? |
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| [16:51:31] | sphery: | trumee: (assuming bash or compatible) -> PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/qt/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig ./configure --enable-proc-opt |
| [16:51:33] | Peitolm: | sphery: is there a guide to what makes myth believe a chanl on one input is the same as the channel on another? |
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| [16:52:11] | sphery: | Peitolm: the callsign = "this channel" (so for "this channel" rules, you /must/ have the same callsign on all channels you mean by "this" |
| [16:52:33] | sphery: | Peitolm: though if you're getting a match (and a C/Conflict), it's not the callsign/"this channel" issue |
| [16:52:35] | trumee: | sphery:that worked. thanks |
| [16:52:50] | Peitolm: | sphery: that makes sense |
| [16:53:25] | sphery: | Peitolm: Though for Deadliest, I'm not seeing a match on a different source, so it could be the callsing |
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| [16:53:49] | Peitolm: | sphery: deadliest is only available on 1 source |
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| [16:54:15] | sphery: | Peitolm: oh, and the source 0 things are because those are Weekslot rules and are Not Listed--i.e. they don't exist on any source |
| [16:54:17] | Peitolm: | sphery the CSI that's on t the same time _should_ be recording from satelite in this instance |
| [16:54:19] | sphery: | so they're not a problem |
| [16:54:37] | sphery: | Peitolm: do you have "Reschedule Higher Priorities" enabled? |
| [16:55:37] | sphery: | Peitolm: also, if you have channel or input priorities specified, they can cause the problem you're seeing' |
| [16:55:49] | sphery: | (I still say channel and input priorities are evil and should never be used) |
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| [16:56:45] | Peitolm: | sphery: but CSI hs DVB as the preferred input set |
| [16:57:13] | sphery: | and preferred inputs are also bad |
| [16:57:28] | Peitolm: | sphery: I've just removed it |
| [16:57:34] | sphery: | get rid of all that stuff for now and see what it does when it's left to "do the most-appropriate thing" |
| [16:57:56] | Peitolm: | but reschedul higher priorities shouldn't be kicking in as it should be able todo this recording |
| [16:57:57] | sphery: | so only use recording rule priorities--no channel or input priorities--and no preferred inputs |
| [16:58:22] | sphery: | reschedule allows it to move a recording from the best input to a not-best input |
| [16:58:26] | sphery: | even if it's the same time |
| [16:58:31] | sphery: | otherwise, it can't |
| [16:58:33] | Peitolm: | ok. how can I check this |
| [16:58:38] | Peitolm: | because right now I can't see it |
| [16:59:01] | sphery: | mythfrontend settings under TV Settings and something about Priorities |
| [16:59:08] | Peitolm: | iirc it's in the mythsetup but that's um, |
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| [16:59:18] | Peitolm: | I was affraid you were going to say that |
| [16:59:29] | Peitolm: | let me try and get a version of mythfrontend that works |
| [17:00:36] | ikevin: | http://kevin.illux.org/mythNeed.png <--- anyone know a way to get a thing like that working please? |
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| [17:01:44] | wagnerrp: | anything VIA should not run mythfrontend |
| [17:02:09] | wagnerrp: | anything with only 256MB of memory should not run mythfrontend |
| [17:02:15] | sphery: | Peitolm: if you're sure you've never changed it, it's already enabled (enabled by default)--unless your DB is an old one |
| [17:02:15] | ikevin: | yes, it does |
| [17:02:30] | ikevin: | myth-frontend & backend works well on my via cpu |
| [17:02:39] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: i didnt say 'can not', i said 'should not' |
| [17:02:40] | ikevin: | just the tnt hd who freeze |
| [17:02:40] | Peitolm: | sphery um, 0.17 perhaps |
| [17:02:56] | wagnerrp: | your CPU is woefully insufficient to do anything HD |
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| [17:03:05] | sphery: | Peitolm: that was before the default was changed, so it might not be enabled |
| [17:03:16] | ikevin: | yes i know, it's why i would to try to use the server to do it |
| [17:03:41] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: the backend merely records, which over DVB-T takes next to no CPU |
| [17:03:47] | sphery: | If you have MythWeb, you can look for GRSchedMoveHigher in MythWeb under the Setup/Settings stuff |
| [17:03:51] | wagnerrp: | the backend does not help during playback |
| [17:03:55] | wagnerrp: | that is all on the frontend |
| [17:04:02] | ikevin: | like pluging dvb-t card on server, reducing a little the video resolution and "stream" it |
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| [17:04:05] | wagnerrp: | which makes your VIA machine woefully insufficient |
| [17:04:34] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: the backend only streams, it does not transcode on-the-fly |
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| [17:04:58] | wagnerrp: | and for that matter, that celeron is probably insufficient to play 'TNT-HD' |
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| [17:05:07] | wagnerrp: | its certainly insufficient if theyre broadcasting in h.264 |
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| [17:05:33] | wagnerrp: | and it would certainly not have enough power to transcode anything HD into something of lower resolution such that your VIA could play it in real time |
| [17:05:34] | ikevin: | i can get a better server if needed, so, i can't get betters appliance :s |
| [17:05:52] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: why not? |
| [17:05:57] | Peitolm: | sphery: should that be in mythconverg.settings? |
| [17:06:09] | sphery: | Peitolm: better if you look at it in a UI, like MythWeb |
| [17:06:16] | sphery: | or mythfrontend |
| [17:06:18] | ikevin: | how does small config like freebox, neufbox do to get hd work on hardware like mine |
| [17:06:47] | ikevin: | wagnerrp, i won't to buy another one, i prefer if needed to put "classic" pc |
| [17:06:50] | Peitolm: | sphery: hmm |
| [17:07:24] | Peitolm: | select * from settings where value like '%SchedMoveHigher%'\G |
| [17:07:24] | Peitolm: | *************************** 1. row *************************** |
| [17:07:24] | Peitolm: | value: SchedMoveHigher |
| [17:07:24] | Peitolm: | data: 0 |
| [17:07:24] | Peitolm: | hostname: NULL |
| [17:07:30] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: your only options are to provide a CPU of sufficient power to decode in hardware, or dedicated hardware to perform the decoding for you |
| [17:07:35] | wagnerrp: | your VIA system provides neither |
| [17:07:58] | wagnerrp: | ...cpu to decode in software |
| [17:08:20] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: please do not paste more than two lines in here |
| [17:08:21] | ikevin: | and without hd, can i get tnt working on this kind of hardware? |
| [17:08:33] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: sorry |
| [17:08:46] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: you will be limited to standard definition mpeg2 on that hardware |
| [17:08:55] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: there is no way around it without replacing that VIA |
| [17:09:06] | ikevin: | actually, without hd, sound work well, so image still freeze some time |
| [17:09:27] | ikevin: | ok, i'll check to get a better config |
| [17:09:39] | ikevin: | thx for your help :) |
| [17:09:59] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: if you want to keep with something that small, you can get mini-itx AMD and Intel systems with plenty of power to decode anything that may be broadcast to you |
| [17:10:06] | wagnerrp: | or you can look into an ION system |
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| [17:10:23] | wagnerrp: | the former provides enough CPU, the latter provides hardware decoders |
| [17:10:50] | Peitolm: | sphery: mywthweb doesn't have a GRSchedMoveHigher it has a SchedMoveHigher, and that's set to 0 |
| [17:10:57] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: but that old VIA hardware has been recommended against for several years |
| [17:11:24] | sphery: | Peitolm: yeah, that's it |
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| [17:11:32] | sphery: | it needs to be enabled |
| [17:11:46] | Peitolm: | so if i set that to 1, and see what happens |
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| [17:11:58] | sphery: | set to 1, then restart all frontends and backends |
| [17:12:02] | Peitolm: | what t's the magic to tell myth to run a shedule process |
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| [17:12:16] | Peitolm: | sphery: o.k. one sec |
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| [17:13:33] | ikevin: | wagnerrp, do you know some mini-itx references that can offer what i search? |
| [17:14:13] | Peitolm: | sphery: is a timeslot recording locked to a source? |
| [17:14:42] | wagnerrp: | ikevin: since you dont live in north america, i dont know of any online stores to point you towards |
| [17:15:05] | ikevin: | lol ok :) |
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| [17:15:35] | Peitolm: | ikevin: are you looking for complete systems or build it yourself? |
| [17:15:42] | ikevin: | myself |
| [17:16:12] | ikevin: | based on a network boot |
| [17:16:38] | sphery: | Peitolm: might be locked to a channel, I don't know--I have never used (and will never use) one |
| [17:16:54] | Peitolm: | sphery: o.k. |
| [17:17:09] | Peitolm: | sphery: i'll try and change it and see |
| [17:17:42] | Peitolm: | ikevin: searching for nvidia ION should give you some thing to look for, but if you're buiklding it yourself, you might find a shuttle system is a good starting point |
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| [17:18:28] | wagnerrp: | so java myth is the only 3rd party implementation that does things properly |
| [17:18:42] | wagnerrp: | but only do so for 0.21 |
| [17:18:50] | johnnyj: | sphery: I'm looking over the channel-icon code in mythtv-setup and I see there's this service at http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/ |
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| [17:19:07] | johnnyj: | and i've been unable to find any documentation on it |
| [17:19:28] | johnnyj: | do i need to go read the perl scripts? |
| [17:19:52] | iamlindoro: | johnnyj: Generally speaking the service isn't meant for public consumption, thus probably lack of desire to document it |
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| [17:20:00] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, will probably need to read the perl |
| [17:20:05] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: the services are undocumented besides the code, and rather limited in what they do currently |
| [17:20:10] | Peitolm: | sphery: nope, no luck |
| [17:20:15] | ikevin: | Peitolm, ok |
| [17:20:25] | wagnerrp: | there are plans to implement a number of other 'services' for next release |
| [17:20:51] | squish102: | what is the easiest way for me to reload all my guide data? I am trying to fix my time warner cable now that they have moved channels |
| [17:21:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure we have momentum enough to get any of them done in time for .24, but would love to be pleasantly surprised |
| [17:21:14] | wagnerrp: | is the icon downloader the only thing in play currently? |
| [17:21:16] | iamlindoro: | squish102: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [17:21:22] | johnnyj: | i just ran the channel-icon downloader and it failed to find about 99 icons – is increasing the accuracy of an unattended run part of the desire here? |
| [17:21:49] | squish102: | thanks iamlindoro, i think I have tried that, but will run again (hoping it will match more up this time) |
| [17:21:56] | Peitolm: | sphery: is ther a way to say 'show me all inputs that can record this show'? |
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| [17:32:35] | gbee: | johnnyj: it's self-improving, if you go through it manually and pick the correct icons then it will invite you to submit those mappings to mythtv.org and next time it will use them |
| [17:33:09] | gbee: | johnnyj: assuming you're talking about the official one |
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| [17:36:23] | johnnyj: | gbee: yeah the one in mythtv-setup – it's been suggested to re-work it – I'm trying to get more familiar with it |
| [17:36:45] | johnnyj: | so i suppose i'm attempting to gather and confirm requirements |
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| [17:38:16] | sphery: | gbee: yesterday I mentioned that it would be nice to actually store the URI of the channel icon we download in channel.icon, then we look for <filename> (the final file name at the end of the URI) in the icons directory and if it doesn't exist, the backend just downloads it. That would allow users to get all icons back just from a restored DB. Currently channel.icon is 255 chars, so should work for most sane URI's. Would you ... |
| [17:38:22] | sphery: | ... be opposed to something like that? |
| [17:39:12] | sphery: | gbee: also, johnnyj was looking for something to work on and I suggested the channel icon downloader since I had heard a lot of devs complain about its code (and got the impression that it needed rewriting). Is that the case? Do you have any specific desires? |
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| [17:40:22] | sphery: | then again, if you have a plan/desire to work on that yourself, you may be able to suggest a better job for him |
| [17:41:12] | gbee: | functionality wise it's fine, it could stand some refactoring and UI improvement, but generally I'm happy with it, Daniel isn't so he might actually be the best person to ask |
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| [17:45:11] | pac0: | how can i install af9035 manually? |
| [17:48:07] | wagnerrp: | this multirec thread just wont end... |
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| [17:55:37] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [17:55:47] | sphery: | I can't step away from it |
| [17:55:51] | sphery: | I've been trying |
| [17:56:24] | johnnyj: | i've actually started to jump in and restrained myself twice |
| [17:57:04] | iamlindoro: | LiveTV is sphery kryptonite |
| [17:57:33] | johnnyj: | i wish it wasn't so popular in my house |
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| [17:57:59] | johnnyj: | but whenever I mention it I get this 'don't judge me' attitudue from my other half |
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| [17:58:22] | wagnerrp: | my house has no need for dvr capabilities |
| [17:58:28] | wagnerrp: | so any livetv gets performed by the tv itself |
| [17:59:59] | johnnyj: | i've considered the possiblilty of a live-tv emulator that creates an EPG using all my media and recordings |
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| [18:02:43] | sphery: | maybe a playlist of "Recordings in progress by" channel/priority/... would be worthwhile |
| [18:03:51] | AndyCap: | johnnyj: with the all-lost channel? |
| [18:04:10] | AndyCap: | and 24/24 |
| [18:04:54] | sphery: | But the reason it's kryptonite for me is the attitude that it's a simple problem and we /refuse/ to solve it--it has nothing to do with people using or not using Live TV. It's all about them asking for something that's not possible and not even trying to understand the issues/why it's not a solved problem. |
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| [18:11:44] | wagnerrp: | oh simon waldman... why do you keep forking that thread |
| [18:12:26] | ** wagnerrp wonders if there's a way to get thunderbird to better handle (broken) threading ** | |
| [18:15:40] | kormoc: | Start killing folks? |
| [18:16:07] | wagnerrp: | thunderbird is? |
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| [18:20:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: well, if you kill people, thunderbird would handle broken threading better :) |
| [18:20:52] | wagnerrp: | ah, good point |
| [18:21:00] | ** wagnerrp goes to get a meat tenderizer ** | |
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| [18:24:38] | ** sphery vows to waste his free time on MythTV code instead of that thread ** | |
| [18:24:43] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [18:26:21] | sphery: | I really don't care what they come up with... It won't affect me. And, really, does it matter which group of users complain about Live TV usability being borked? (As when someone "fixes" it, they'll just create different issues/other confusing behaviors that will result in the same type of threads, but with other people complaining.) |
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| [18:32:44] | gbee: | sphery: what is it that the americans call them, Monday morning quarterbacks? Armchair athletes? |
| [18:32:58] | sphery: | yeah, exactly |
| [18:33:13] | wagnerrp: | back seat drivers? |
| [18:33:53] | gbee: | back seat drivers works well in this context |
| [18:34:50] | sphery: | the worst part is that the Browse all channels setting does claim to do pretty much what they're trying to do |
| [18:35:26] | sphery: | but it seems that no one configures it properly (or understands its limitations well enough to realize that it's not a case of "it doesn't work") |
| [18:36:28] | sphery: | and there are really a bunch of inter-related settings, where you need to know exactly how they all when combined |
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| [18:41:19] | justinh: | wheeeheee... first prototype, just about working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsfAsFWeV4E |
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| [18:46:19] | sphery: | justinh: nice... just like The Transporter :) |
| [18:47:03] | justinh: | tested it with a real ANPR camera this afternoon. man, that thing is scarily good |
| [18:47:35] | wagnerrp: | justinh: well it has a very well defined font to run off of |
| [18:48:14] | wagnerrp: | pick up the white plate, adjust for skew based off the shape of the plate in the image, and then run OCR on a very small database of characters |
| [18:48:17] | justinh: | it works on a variety of fonts. those plates are just what we have lying around the office |
| [18:48:35] | wagnerrp: | oh, i figured those plates would all use a single standard font |
| [18:49:03] | justinh: | there's a standard european font AFAIK but the algorithm knows about other countries too |
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| [18:50:55] | justinh: | nice & torquey now it's geared down 10:1 anyway. the plates are all different weights & that caused problems with the original motor coupling (heatshrink tubing) lol |
| [18:51:29] | justinh: | but as proof of a concept, it does the job |
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| [18:52:25] | wagnerrp: | justinh: if you've ever used subrip for anything, its blazing fast... it just takes a long time to train it on all the different characters of different fonts used in that movie |
| [18:52:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: this stuff makes the ocr easier too, by using IR illumination & filtering visible light in the lens |
| [18:52:57] | justinh: | so if the plate is reflective, which it has to be by law.. makes it loads easier :) |
| [18:53:31] | justinh: | and this is running on a little teeny weeny DSP chip |
| [18:56:30] | justinh: | never noticed my phone camera though.. the video seems to be very badly deinterlaced. heheh |
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| [19:02:26] | akv: | iamlindoro: still no success, but made screenshots from all channels viewable and ALL channels on the two highest frequencies fails |
| [19:02:51] | akv: | iamlindoro: thats something to show the DVB-C provider |
| [19:09:54] | AndyCap: | justinh: nice device, though I still like my idea of hanging them on the salespeople |
| [19:12:58] | justinh: | AndyCap: wait til it's finished & the belt stays on the motor & drive shaft |
| [19:15:38] | AndyCap: | and mounted in the front bumper :P |
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| [19:42:35] | Peitolm: | sphery what's the correct way to add a channel i you can't scan for? |
| [19:42:49] | wagnerrp: | digital or analog? |
| [19:43:07] | johnnyj: | is the svn server munged up at the moment? |
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| [19:43:29] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: seems so, it was working 10 minutes ago |
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| [19:43:33] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: neither, it's a cable box |
| [19:43:56] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: I use an external channel changer to select channels on a cable box (we don't ahve DVB-C in the UK |
| [19:44:14] | wagnerrp: | if you cant pull a lineup from your listings provider, just add them all manually |
| [19:44:46] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: is that in the manual? i don't remember it being there (I started this install back when 0.14 was out i think |
| [19:45:07] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually done manual setup of channels, so i dont know |
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| [19:45:50] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: In the past I've just poked the database directly |
| [19:46:19] | wagnerrp: | preferrably, you do it through the channel manager in mythtv-setup |
| [19:46:28] | araldit: | I have the same channels on both a dvb-t and dvb-s tuner. How can I prioritize them in live tv view? |
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| [19:49:05] | araldit: | I have a channel called DR1, it is both on 1W end 5E dvb-s and on a dvb-t channel. I would like myth to take the 5E first, if its not available then go for 5W and finally the DVB-t one. Is that possible. Today it just defaults to take the 5E one, but I dont know how it picked that tuner. Anyone got a clue? |
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| [19:50:30] | johnnyj: | nuvexport is borking on me saying : Incompatible protocol version (50 != 56) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MythTV.pm line 652. |
| [19:51:24] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: that means youre trying to use an incompatible protocol version, 50 instead of 56 |
| [19:51:30] | iamlindoro: | You have .22 perl bindings installed on your .23 system |
| [19:51:45] | johnnyj: | how to clean? |
| [19:51:53] | iamlindoro: | install the new perl bindings |
| [19:52:08] | wagnerrp: | the backend protocol changes with every new release |
| [19:52:17] | wagnerrp: | anything that accesses mythtv using it needs to be updated to match |
| [19:52:21] | johnnyj: | i did a sudo make install in the mythextras |
| [19:52:33] | iamlindoro: | perl bindings aren't in mythextras |
| [19:52:37] | wagnerrp: | the perl bindings are in the main mythtv tree |
| [19:52:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv/bindings/perl |
| [19:52:52] | wagnerrp: | it should be installed with a normal install of mythtv |
| [19:52:55] | johnnyj: | i've done an install |
| [19:53:01] | wagnerrp: | as they are enabled by the default configure |
| [19:53:43] | johnnyj: | these aren't like themes and such where sphery had suggested manually deleting them? |
| [19:54:06] | wagnerrp: | did you move from a package install to a source install with 0.23? |
| [19:54:24] | johnnyj: | i went from package to src on .22 |
| [19:54:27] | johnnyj: | and then later to .23 |
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| [19:54:59] | wagnerrp: | i know there are some issues on some distros with python, where the packages install to a different location than the source, and the package location is a higher priority one |
| [19:55:22] | johnnyj: | oh wow – there's a bunch of packages showing installed.... |
| [19:57:20] | wagnerrp: | johnnyj: trac just got kicked, it should be working now |
| [19:57:27] | johnnyj: | thanks |
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| [19:58:39] | araldit: | What do you guys do when you have multiple of the same channels.. Do you give them the same Channel Number? |
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| [20:00:23] | araldit: | bummer |
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| [20:10:53] | sphery: | araldit: same callsign if they have identical content allows them all to be used for "this channel" rules and same channel number + same callsign means the channel will only show once in the guide. Different callsigns allow you to schedule recording on specific channels. Different channel numbers allow you to jump directly to a specific channel in Live TV. So if they're truly identical (content/quality/...), give them the ... |
| [20:10:59] | sphery: | ... same callsign and channel number. Otherwise, you decide. |
| [20:11:27] | johnnyj: | sphery: ah – you said Live TV |
| [20:11:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:11:43] | araldit: | yeah |
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| [20:12:17] | araldit: | and the DVB-t one is have a tendency to lag a little. Thats why I would like it to be down prioritized |
| [20:12:26] | wagnerrp: | lag? |
| [20:12:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | What is this "Live TV" ??? ;-) |
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| [20:12:43] | johnnyj: | there's no such thing, it's a myth |
| [20:12:45] | araldit: | yeah. My antenna is not as good as the sattelite dish one |
| [20:12:50] | avivg: | I have problems setting up my Leadtek DTV 1800H card – anyone has experience with this HW? |
| [20:13:18] | wagnerrp: | 'lag' implies that the signal is sent at a later time |
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| [20:13:39] | wagnerrp: | is that what you mean? or are you saying you dont get good reception with your antenna (DVB-T) |
| [20:14:14] | araldit: | wagnerrp: well its not that, but it sometimes disappears for seconds.. Its not as stable as the dvb-s one |
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| [20:14:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1601827/nec-release-3d yay |
| [20:14:41] | araldit: | wagnerrp: But its ok if everything else fails |
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| [20:15:16] | sphery: | araldit: read section 12.6 of the HOWTO (actually read all of section 12 but pay particular attention to 12.6) |
| [20:15:29] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html |
| [20:16:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: we have a 3D computer at work |
| [20:16:21] | wagnerrp: | if you make the assumption that half the world and the people at the Inquirer make that 'computer' means 'monitor' |
| [20:16:23] | sphery: | but now they're focusing on gamers/consumers |
| [20:16:40] | sphery: | I'll admit, though, that for gaming it's not as bad as for general usage (like with a TV) |
| [20:17:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Did you read that whole article, especially the next-to-last paragraph??? |
| [20:17:34] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: its like shes right there on your lap |
| [20:17:37] | sphery: | I saw How to Train Your Dragon in RealD 3D this weekend, and the 3D was a bit flat--it added absolutely nothing to the story. It was 3D for 3D's sake. |
| [20:17:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs! ** | |
| [20:17:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what 3D isnt? |
| [20:18:04] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:19:01] | araldit: | sphery: That howto chapter talks about scheduling. I get that, and I have done that type of priority control. That does, however, not seem to comply to live tv. As far as I have tested, anyway. |
| [20:19:05] | sphery: | the important part is that I've now seen a non-space, non-IMAX 3D movie (besides anaglyph ones) so now I actually have some basis for my opinion |
| [20:19:26] | sphery: | araldit: livetv is a whole different thing |
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| [20:19:39] | wagnerrp: | TBH, i dont even like 3D IMAX stuff |
| [20:19:47] | wagnerrp: | it just gives me a headache |
| [20:19:50] | araldit: | sphery: Yeah |
| [20:20:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, me too. Unless I sit in the BACK row... |
| [20:20:13] | sphery: | basically you need to either disable Avoid conflicts between recordings and Live TV or map a key to NEXTCARD so you can get off the bad card if you don't want to use it for LiveTV |
| [20:20:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: the screen is way too big for 3D – IMHO. |
| [20:20:25] | sphery: | but priorities have /nothing/ to do with Live TV input selection |
| [20:20:30] | wagnerrp: | the omnimax stuff is so much more enveloping than anything 3D IMAX could do |
| [20:21:00] | wagnerrp: | weve got one of the few of those at the local museum |
| [20:21:03] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: heh, hadn't gotten that far |
| [20:21:05] | wagnerrp: | its amazing |
| [20:21:10] | sphery: | er, that was for J-e-f-f-A |
| [20:21:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | araldit: or press your "Menu" key and select a different source/tuner. ;-) |
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| [20:21:45] | wagnerrp: | i would trade 3d for surround any day |
| [20:21:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I felt OK right after this movie, but driving away from the theater, the eye/brain strain hit |
| [20:22:18] | avivg: | What causes the "Scan Channels" to be disabled (grayed out)? I'm trying to scan analogue channels but for some reason i can't |
| [20:23:02] | wagnerrp: | 3D may allow they to have annoying things pop out of the screen at you |
| [20:23:10] | wagnerrp: | but omnimax literally puts you there |
| [20:23:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | avivg: The analog scanner is disabled/incomplete in 0.22 – if that's what you're running... It's fixed in the soon-to-be-released 0.23 I hear though... |
| [20:23:19] | sphery: | the fact that analog channel scanning doesn't work on your version of Myth |
| [20:23:20] | wagnerrp: | you 'feel' the motion of the camera |
| [20:24:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I remeber going to Disneyland in the 80's and going in their 'dome' – man, it wasn't technically 3D, but you felt like you were actually on that roller-coaster... it was un-real... |
| [20:24:30] | avivg: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks! so it never worked before? If there any other linux program that is capable of analogue scanning i can try? |
| [20:26:14] | araldit: | sphery: So if i have a channel named DR1 3 times. I give them all Channel Id 1. When I watch live tv and the display gets garbled I switch source. Is that right... There is no way to define that it should default to DVB-S. For all I know it can choose to use dvb-t and every time i watch in bad weather i shold switch input. I hate manual labour. I think this should be added to the wish list. |
| [20:26:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | avivg: It had worked in prior versions, but was being re-written [I think] when 0.22 came out, and wasn't fully functional and was disabled. It's fixed in the new version due out soon. |
| [20:28:00] | sphery: | araldit: do /not/ edit channel ID's... channel numbers and channel callsigns are editable |
| [20:28:08] | sphery: | I think you mean channel number, but just making sure |
| [20:28:36] | araldit: | sphery: Yeah sry.. Channel numbers |
| [20:29:36] | avivg: | J-e-f-f-A: Thanks |
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| [20:30:04] | sphery: | basically, you can configure your system for good live tv and live tv conflicting with recordings, or for good recordings and live tv not conflicting but using the bad card... you can't have both--unless you get rid of the bad card/input/source/... |
| [20:30:11] | sphery: | araldit: ^^^ |
| [20:30:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | avivg: And since Analog doesn't exist in the US anymore, it didn't get much 'priority'... ;-) |
| [20:30:41] | sphery: | where getting rid of the bad one is the best solution |
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| [20:33:54] | araldit: | sphery: I see. I think the solution will have to be to move the bad source to a high number, say 1000 and mirror the channels up there. Then it will only bug me when I go beyond my 100+ list of channels ;-). My DVB-s doesn't work when my internet is down, then its only the DVB-t input which works. Thats why i cant just remove the input entirely. But thanks anyway. |
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| [20:42:37] | johnnyj: | how do y'all auto start your backends? |
| [20:42:50] | johnnyj: | this upstart-job thing confuses me |
| [20:42:58] | wagnerrp: | init scripts |
| [20:42:59] | johnnyj: | i'm used to init.d scripts |
| [20:43:18] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mythbuntu provide an upstart script |
| [20:43:26] | johnnyj: | is this one still apropriate: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /113195.html |
| [20:43:42] | johnnyj: | wagnerrp: not if you remove the package to go with svn |
| [20:44:04] | wagnerrp: | so manually pull it out of their package and use it on your own |
| [20:44:22] | johnnyj: | i've not done that b4 – but i like it |
| [20:45:02] | johnnyj: | i know they're taking up space at /var/cache/apt/archives anyway |
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| [20:48:49] | johnnyj: | that's perfect – thanks |
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| [20:53:03] | avivg: | J-e-f-f-A: at least they could remove the scan button – then i would still have some hair by now :) |
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| [20:59:38] | wagnerrp: | avivg: it is greyed out and unclickable for analog capture devices |
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| [21:12:22] | dustybin: | ...nice http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/multi . . . v.SlackBuild |
| [21:12:28] | dustybin: | i could modify that for .23 :S |
| [21:13:19] | avivg: | wagnerrp: Yes but i thought that my device is not supported, not that this feature is disabled entirely |
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| [21:20:24] | wagnerrp: | what device is that? |
| [21:20:26] | johnnyj: | yikes – it's 420 on 420 |
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| [21:44:51] | johnnyj: | ciao |
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| [21:59:16] | avivg: | It's a Leadtek DTV 1800H |
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